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(08-16-2017, 06:23 PM)Jay Crisp Wrote: [ -> ]I havent been on any forum for 10 years let alone more.But you lie its what you do ,youre a serial liar.Its why you get repeatedly banned from everywhere.Lying and starting or attempting to start arguments.
Every Milan place ive seen you pop up you get banned from.Yet you still dont realise its you and not the forums or pages.
I knew as soon as your name came up here youd be trying to go for  personal attacks  on members and you did.Whatever makes you feel better.You took what about half a day here to start making personal remarks to members here.


you're the one that jumped in uninvited with personal attacks when I was having a conversation with nefremo, not vice versa.. and now you can't handle the same back, except I didn't attack you at all, I just advised another member to ignore you..

how predictable and cute  Heart 

(08-16-2017, 06:43 PM)donlocatelli Wrote: [ -> ]i agree with what you're saying about stats but i was comparing bacca vs kalinic only (nobody else) purely based on montella's system. montella said bacca doesn't fit his system yet he scored virtually the same number of goals as kalinic last season whilst playing in an inferior squad. its not incorrect to say he would've only scored more this season with better teammates (something even his agent mentioned).

although kalinic might perform slightly better than bacca in montella's system, based on the above i don't think it'll be that significant. anyway, my issue is not so much with kalinic but the price paid and contract offered considering his age.

therefore, i'm surprised mirabelli is willing to pay 25m for a 30yo especially given the excellent business he did with juve and lazio.

i honestly believe montella strongly wanted the player and mirabelli was almost obliged to satisfy his one major request.


how can you say that Kalinic is not that good just because Bacca scored the same number of goals as he did last year? This is wrong and inaccurate for many reasons. One: Kalinic hasn't been tested in Montella's system, he could have scored 50 goals or he could have scored 5 - we don't know. Two: you're using a single statistic (goals scored) to measure Kalinic vs. Bacca. That just doesn't work. Three: If Bacca was at Fiorentina, he could've have scored 50 goals or 5 goals. Key point here is that we don't know, but what we do know is what characteristics each striker has and how valuable are those characteristics are to the squad we are building. Kalinic fits the bill a lot more than Bacca does, even if he doesn't get the same number of goals Bacca did at Milan last year or the year before. Bacca is an extremely limited player that will be a liability to any team that signs him unless they have a really good team that'll be serving Bacca with golden opportunities every game. I mean we can do that too but why go for a limited striker when we can get a striker that can do the same but so much more? Again, I understand your concerns about the price paid, I would've been extremely concerned if Kalinic was signed in our previous era because of how poor we were, but 25m for us would still be less than 10% of our summer spendings this year. That's not ideal, but it's not as awful as you claim. It's alright.

The price paid for Kalinic considering his age is what people his age are going for nowadays. Biglia went for 17+3m and he was on his last year of his contract. Bonucci came for 42m and he's 30. Kalinic was Fiorentina's most valuable player and got them the most points and we got him for 25m. In January he was close to going to China for 50m, Cannavaro wanted him at all costs and said he's the perfect and ideal player for his kind of football. 


And to the last part sentence quoted, the reason we have a sporting director is because he represents Milan's sporting needs. Every player we've agreed to sign was a player that was wanted by BOTH Montella and Mirabelli. This was something that wasn't there before the Dragon Era. The sporting director brings in a squad that he can work with regardless of who's the coach, because ultimately it's him who picks the coach. I firmly believe that there's no chance Mirabelli would've accepted Kalinic unless he was aboard too.
It's fair to have differing opinions, but let's not let the debate devolve into disrespecting or dismissing someone's opinion by suggesting to ignore the poster (I'm not aware of when Jay attacked you Hitman, but if so I'd suggest the same), it's not the culture that this forum is built on. As for Jay, he deserves respect as he does support the site beyond just posting.

On Kalinic, I must say I'm fairly meh on the transfer and not even sure he'd be a starter if he was the only striker to join. We paid more for Andre Silva and it seems Montella really likes him, so Kalinic at this point seems to be for depth, even if the costs aren't low.

I also think a top striker (maybe a wide forward if Montella wants to stick to a 3 man attack) will still arrive and I wouldn't be shocked if we're looking to play with 2 forwards this year at times. Both Fassone and Mirabelli are well aware of expectations and frankly speaking I highly doubt Kalinic was ever considered a first team solution.
(08-16-2017, 07:32 PM)Hitman Wrote: [ -> ]you're the one that jumped in uninvited with personal attacks when I was having a conversation with nefremo, not vice versa.. and now you can't handle the same back, except I didn't attack you at all, I just advised another member to ignore you..

how predictable and cute  Heart 
More lies and you were up to your usual stuff then as well.I asked are you the same guy that repeatedly got banned on R&B and you said yes ( not sure how that was an attack as you put it , it was a question)due to a conspiracy you said something about members paying to not be banned or for you to be banned   Devilol Devilol Devilol  its the same wherever you go , but its always someone else isnt it never you.
(08-16-2017, 07:43 PM)ACMILAN1983 Wrote: [ -> ]It's fair to have differing opinions, but let's not let the debate devolve into disrespecting or dismissing someone's opinion by suggesting to ignore the poster (I'm not aware of when Jay attacked you Hitman, but if so I'd suggest the same), it's not the culture that this forum is built on. As for Jay, he deserves respect as he does support the site beyond just posting.
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Cheers , I wouldnt put it that way.If im out of line im out of line , If im wrong im wrong and if Im being a d1ck then im being a d1ck...But I dont talk or try to talk down to others and while I disagree with some posts I never personally insult or try to insult any member here.I do what I do because I love it , the club the fans the atmosphere the ups and downs.
(08-16-2017, 07:43 PM)ACMILAN1983 Wrote: [ -> ] it's not the culture that this forum is built on. As for Jay, he deserves respect as he does support the site beyond just posting.

So just because Jay supports the site 'beyond just posting' he gets certain privileges to disrespect other members? What about the culture of the forum that you mentioned in the sentence before?

Does calling one a serial liar or advertising that one's a bad person because he's been banned in every forum he's been on (paradoxically he's lying yet calling me a liar, but who cares) make up the culture that this forum has been built on? I don't think so dev. 

Anyways, ignoring someone's opinion on a forum isn't disrespectful. It eliminates problems before they happen. It's completely normal for people to have different opinions and it's also normal for people to chose not to go into a discussion with someone... however, calling people names and making up false stories about the person just to support his argument is disrespectful though. 

Anyways, this is the end of this discussion regarding Jay for me. I'm not complaining about what said about me or labeled me. I'm a grown up and can handle criticism... but what kind of person goes on criticizing others and reacts like he did when he gets a little criticism back?
(08-16-2017, 08:14 PM)Hitman Wrote: [ -> ]So just because Jay supports the site 'beyond just posting' he gets certain privileges to disrespect other members? What about the culture of the forum that you mentioned in the sentence before?

Does calling one a serial liar or advertising that one's a bad person because he's been banned in every forum he's been on (paradoxically he's lying yet calling me a liar, but who cares) make up the culture that this forum has been built on? I don't think so dev. 

Anyways, ignoring someone's opinion on a forum isn't disrespectful. It eliminates problems before they happen. It's completely normal for people to have different opinions and it's also normal for people to chose not to go into a discussion with someone... however, calling people names and making up false stories about the person just to support his argument is disrespectful though. 

Anyways, this is the end of this discussion regarding Jay for me. I'm not complaining about what said about me or labeled me. I'm a grown up and can handle criticism... but what kind of person goes on criticizing others and reacts like he did when he gets a little criticism back?
But you are.You lied when you said I personally attacked you when you joined.You said you've seen me post for more than 10 years.Thats also a lie because its impossible.
Advertising you as a bad person...what
You argue constantly with anyone , you attempt to talk down to people and then try and come across well as Balotelli would say "why always me" its not going to fly.
You reply as if I horrifically defamed you.I havent.Im also quite calm in my replies or reaction as you put it.I havent called you any name or made up anything.Stop trying to make something seem like it isnt.
I think it's funny when people say China wanted Kalinic yet ignore that it was Cannavaro who wanted him..
(08-16-2017, 08:38 PM)Jay Crisp Wrote: [ -> ]But you are.You lied when you said I personally attacked you when you joined.You said you've seen me post for more than 10 years.Thats also a lie because its impossible.
Advertising you as a bad person...what
You argue constantly with anyone , you attempt to talk down to people and then try and come across well as Balotelli would say "why always me" its not going to fly.
You reply as if I horrifically defamed you.I havent.Im also quite calm in my replies or reaction as you put it.I havent called you any name or made up anything.Stop trying to make something seem like it isnt.

Ok
(08-16-2017, 09:12 PM)AC_Troy Wrote: [ -> ]I think it's funny when people say China wanted Kalinic yet ignore that it was Cannavaro who wanted him..

Kalinic is not bad the problem is not Aubameyang or Belotti.
Milan is a new team, where players have never played together, i remain of my idea we really need a striker which can guarantee at least 20 goals without counting Europa League.
If Mirabelli and Fassone all summer speak about D.Costa,Belotti,Aubameyang and at the end you buy Kalinic fan stay disappointed and it's normal,same if you spend 200M and at the end you have a battery of striker formed by Kalinic,Silva,Borini,Cutrone and Niang.

However I am confident that at least one strong player will come especially if we sell Paletta,Niang and Sosa.
(08-16-2017, 09:44 PM)PassiamoAlleCoseFormali Wrote: [ -> ]Kalinic is not bad the problem is not Aubameyang or Belotti.
Milan is a new team, where players have never played together, i remain of my idea we really need a striker which can guarantee at least 20 goals without counting Europa League.
If Mirabelli and Fassone all summer speak about D.Costa,Belotti,Aubameyang and at the end you buy Kalinic fan stay disappointed and it's normal,same if you spend 200M and at the end you have a battery of striker formed by Kalinic,Silva,Borini,Cutrone and Niang.

However I am confident that at least one strong player will come especially if we sell Paletta,Niang and Sosa.

I think Aubameyang or Belotti comes regardless because we won't be penalized now.  It makes sense to splash now because we may not be able to do it later
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