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(03-06-2019, 05:04 PM)nefremo Wrote: [ -> ]In other news, seems that Elliot has taken over Lille as well. Some media out there claiming that this means Milan could potentially benefit from the situation and get some of Lille's players. Not so sure about it though. I think Elliot will treat both clubs as separate investments. No reason why they should give a player to Milan for let's say 40mil, when there are offers out there for 60mil.

Also, new rumors of out interest in Everton Soares circling around.

Elliot has given a loan of 117 mil to the owner of Lille to help sort out Lille's problems. They haven't taken over Lille (as yet!!)

But if they had taken over Lille, then if they transfer an asset from one club they own to another, they haven't lost or gained anything on their combined balance sheet. If you move money from one account of your's to another your net assets don't change. However Milan has much bigger marketing potential given the bigger fan base, so it makes sense to move a star player to Milan and benefit from the extra marketing value. If Pepe is worth 60 mil at Lille and they transfer him to Milan even for free his value at Milan would still be at least 60 mil (maybe more just like Piatek is worth more at Milan than he was at Genoa)

Right now it's just a loan to the owner, but you never know what conditions are on the loan. Even the Milan takeover started as a loan.
True...in consolidation, nothing will be gained or lost but that wasn't my point. I don't agree that it is more beneficial for them to move a star player from Lille to Milan because Milan has more marketing potential. When there is the possibility of outside money coming in, cash is king (time value of money). So if a club is willing to pay them (let's say) 70mil for Nicolas Pepe, you better be sure that they'll sell him in a heart beat instead of "giving" him to Milan because Milan has more marketing potential and there is the possibility of more money in the future. Now.....if they plan on "flipping" Lille in the near future, then of course, it is beneficial to move the expensive assets from Lille to Milan (assuming Milan is their long term investment/plan).

Anyway, it's all hypothetical as you said. Good to know that it's just a loan as I didn't know the details and it's just what i've read in forums.
If Elliot does control Lille,
I agree that lille won't "transfer" their prized assets to Milan,
Like Nefremo said, if there's someone who willing to pay more, why should we give it to our other company (Milan)

But, if Singer want to work around with this system,
We'd have a Milan B in France.

That means, we can just offload less useful players like Mauri/ Strinic/ any other else in the name of "regeneration"
Or loaning players like Cutrone/ Silva if they indeed care about first team experience.

Win-Win solution i think,
We won't lose these young players,
These young players want more game time,
Loan them 2 years or something,
They'll return stronger, better, and ready to deal with a much difficult league (Serie A)
(03-07-2019, 05:32 AM)Karl08 Wrote: [ -> ]If Elliot does control Lille,
I agree that lille won't "transfer" their prized assets to Milan,
Like Nefremo said, if there's someone who willing to pay more, why should we give it to our other company (Milan)

But, if Singer want to work around with this system,
We'd have a Milan B in France.

That means, we can just offload less useful players like Mauri/ Strinic/ any other else in the name of "regeneration"
Or loaning players like Cutrone/ Silva if they indeed care about first team experience.

Win-Win solution i think,
We won't lose these young players,
These young players want more game time,
Loan them 2 years or something,
They'll return stronger, better, and ready to deal with a much difficult league (Serie A)

Better to keep them in the Serie A and send them to Genoa like we have in the past. That was my issue with sending silva to Sevilla. To have any hope he would come good, it would have been best to have him playing Serie A and getting the game time in a smaller team.
Milan are reportedly €1m away from meeting Suso’s contract demands as the issue drags on.
According to Corriere dello Sport, talks remain ‘friendly’ between Milan and Suso but the club are only prepared to offer him ‘just over €4m a season’.
That contrasts with the Spaniard’s alleged demands of €5m plus bonuses, and the newspaper writes the gap ‘doesn’t seem simple to reduce’.
He is already earning around 80,000 per week what more he wants
(03-07-2019, 04:07 AM)nefremo Wrote: [ -> ]True...in consolidation, nothing will be gained or lost but that wasn't my point. I don't agree that it is more beneficial for them to move a star player from Lille to Milan because Milan has more marketing potential. When there is the possibility of outside money coming in, cash is kind (time value of money). So if a club is willing to pay them (let's say) 70mil for Nicolas Pepe, you better be sure that they'll sell him in a heart beat instead of "giving" him to Milan because Milan has more marketing potential and there is the possibility of more money in the future. Now.....if they plan on "flipping" Lille in the near future, then of course, it is beneficial to move the expensive assets from Lille to Milan (assuming Milan is their long term investment/plan).

Anyway, it's all hypothetical as you said. Good to know that it's just a loan as I didn't know the details and it's just what i've read in forums.

If Elliot moves a player from Lille to Milan, they can still sell that player to another club at any point. As he long as he holds his value the sale to an outside club can come anytime. A player is an asset just like cash. If you have a 60 mil player or 60 mil in cash it's essentially the same thing. It's up to Elliott when they want to convert from player to cash. They can look at a combined balance sheet of assets (players + cash). Only when the player starts declining in value does the value of the combined assets start to decrease. They can transfer a 23 old player to Milan now, and sell him 2 years later to another club if they think he has reached his peak price.

That's why Elliott wants to invest in young players with low wages. The transfer money spent is not really "spent". Instead cash is converted to a player that is just increasing in value. It's only the money spent on wages that is lost
I disagree my friend. An asset is not the same in cash. On the books, yes. In reality, no. You can reinvest cash and collect the interest on it. Again, time value of money. You put the cash to work as it'll be worth more tomorrow then it is today. A players value may or may NOT grow. You are talking about a risk.

If an entity is not one you are going to keep long term, you take the cash. I'll tell you right now, IF there is a huge offer on the table for Pepe, Elliot will sell immediately. It would be financially irresponsible not to from their point of view.
What you are talking about is a big risk. Why move the player to Milan now, and then POSSIBLY cash in on him in a couple of years when you can take 70mil (rumored price for Pepe) NOW, reinvest it and make interest on it (or reinvest into buying another entity, give another loan and get interest, etc).
Us Milan fans would do what you are saying. Elliot won't. They've made a fortune doing what I described and they'll keep doing it.
Quote:Sport.es: Deulofeu still in the crosshairs for June

Today, the Spanish daily Sport.es that has returned to talk about Milan's desire to try again for Deulofeu next summer. Even we talk about a shopping list, in the hands of the director of the technical area Leonardo, in which the name Deulofeu would appear for two reasons: the Spaniard has all the technical characteristics that serve Milan to complete the attack and the same Iberian footballer is still very close to the Rossoneri colors as he admitted that his transfer two years ago from Everton was one of the best moments of his career.
(03-07-2019, 11:04 AM)AC_Troy Wrote: [ -> ]Milan are reportedly €1m away from meeting Suso’s contract demands as the issue drags on.
According to Corriere dello Sport, talks remain ‘friendly’ between Milan and Suso but the club are only prepared to offer him ‘just over €4m a season’.
That contrasts with the Spaniard’s alleged demands of €5m plus bonuses, and the newspaper writes the gap ‘doesn’t seem simple to reduce’.

do you know if that 4/5m figure is before or after tax?
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