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(08-27-2019, 10:36 AM)Siregar Wrote: [ -> ]First of all, we argree that three points could make a difference. However it is not NOW but later. So, you guys are just too soon to judge Maldini Boban.

If we want to find who wrong is, it is very easy without looking the whole problem. Of course management and coach are the first to blame but they also have reasons for that. Firstly IMO, we are extremely affected by FFP and the fact we have no CL, both affect us financially while the later mentioned make us more difficult to buy quality players (no CL you have limited options to bring players that guarantee success even we have the money). However Maldini Boban still could bring players that are on paper better than our starters (Bennacer, Hernandes, Leao plus Duerte and Krunic as sub). All of them we got without any significant competition from big clubs. 

Other alibi is that we have new management this summer. Maldini has his new role after the season over IIRC and Boban also came late. They also had players needed to be thrown away (and they did it by realising bench players). We have been facing problem to sell our players, mostly due to their big wage and/or overrated players. In addition, there were also players that reject to move (Hakan, Conti, Kessie). Maldini co also were also not lucky with Silva, they almost sold him very soon but Monaco made drama.

About the coach, he had our starters vs Udinese when he arrived. Crucial (or potentially important) players like Paqueta, Bennacer, Kessie joined the team very late. No wonder he seems unconvinced to field new players. We are not talking about certain players who can make different, who are just able to play with new teammates without having training for 1 minute (world class players). We have Bennacer who seems very talented, Leao despite his talent still inexperience, while Hernandes is injured. MG is new here and he brings new formation with limited option and tried to field the players to suit the new tactic. I doubt it could just bring success so early. I know he just made contradictions in his comment after the game talking about players that played not in their positions, change the formation to 433, etc but I won't judge this except he really did what he say like convert to 433, bring back Suso and Hakan in that formation and so on.

What hurts is when you compare to our neighbour ...
Conte put Lukaku on the field from the first minute, despite his late arrival there. Sensi arrived earlier and played from the first minute. Barella was also used for 30 minutes (more or less).

Lukaku is not a WC player IMO. Why would he be good enough to play from the first minute and not any of our new players ?
Giampaolo seems to really play too much his "teacher" label ... We don't need a teacher, we need a coach. If our players learn new things thanks to him, well, perfect, but he has to get results too and we can't wait 2 more months until the guys know what Giampaolo wants.

What bothers me even more is that he put the players who trained for the whole summer with him, so the players who were able to learn the most from him ... And we saw this awful way to play. So our players are either stupid and have no clue how to play football and do what a coach wants, or we either have a coach who asks for impossible things to the players, or finally eithera coach who can't get his message understood by the players. In each case, we can be worried.

Giampaolo never said Bennacer didn't have enough time to gel with his partners, but he said the guy had no time to integrate his ideas. That's strange because Bennacer and Krunic for example are former players of Giampaolo from his Empoli days ! So they should know more than anybody else what is asked by the coach !
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The winger made only six starts for the Rossoneri last season and has been linked with an exit from San Siro.

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(08-27-2019, 11:57 AM)GeoTav Wrote: [ -> ]What hurts is when you compare to our neighbour ...
Conte put Lukaku on the field from the first minute, despite his late arrival there. Sensi arrived earlier and played from the first minute. Barella was also used for 30 minutes (more or less).

Lukaku is not a WC player IMO. Why would he be good enough to play from the first minute and not any of our new players ?
Giampaolo seems to really play too much his "teacher" label ... We don't need a teacher, we need a coach. If our players learn new things thanks to him, well, perfect, but he has to get results too and we can't wait 2 more months until the guys know what Giampaolo wants.

What bothers me even more is that he put the players who trained for the whole summer with him, so the players who were able to learn the most from him ... And we saw this awful way to play. So our players are either stupid and have no clue how to play football and do what a coach wants, or we either have a coach who asks for impossible things to the players, or finally eithera coach who can't get his message understood by the players. In each case, we can be worried.

Giampaolo never said Bennacer didn't have enough time to gel with his partners, but he said the guy had no time to integrate his ideas. That's strange because Bennacer and Krunic for example are former players of Giampaolo from his Empoli days ! So they should know more than anybody else what is asked by the coach !

It is strange you compared us with Inter. 

To respon your post, how much Inter took Lukaku (26 yo) and Milan paid for Leao (20 yo)? From their prices, that should give information the difference between them with regards of quality. One is established player while the other is still young and has only  played limited games. Not to mention Leao comes from French League which is far inferior to Premier League (Lukaku). The Portuguese also had (small?) injury one or two games before vs Udinese. 

With Sensi (23 yo) it is just so clear why Conte played him from the first minute. He featured in all friendly games with Inter as starter. Well, I dont get it why you brought Berella since he was only substitute. What we have? Bennacer (21 yo) just joined the team in the middle of August and had no single minute with Milan under MG. IIRC only Paqueta who joined earlier (eventhough he arrived late compare to the rest) compared to Bennacer and Kessie. I am not sure about Krunic, it seems he had injury or something else.

It was Milan first game and our starters were almost exactly the same with pre season. It is understanable MG put players he has used in most of times in the summer. 

Until now, I am not disappointed with our mercato especially the rumours said that we still will make major signings. Hopefully they will be CAM and SS, if we could add CM it would be great.
keeping suso is the biggest mistake this team have made in this summer mercato. we should offload him asap, but the management decide they want to be greedy and want a higher sum than everyone willing to pay for suso, and i think other teams is correct in valuing suso.
(08-27-2019, 11:57 AM)GeoTav Wrote: [ -> ]We don't need a teacher, we need a coach. If our players learn new things thanks to him, well, perfect, but he has to get results too and we can't wait 2 more months until the guys know what Giampaolo wants.

What bothers me even more is that he put the players who trained for the whole summer with him, so the players who were able to learn the most from him ... And we saw this awful way to play. So our players are either stupid and have no clue how to play football and do what a coach wants, or we either have a coach who asks for impossible things to the players, or finally eithera coach who can't get his message understood by the players. In each case, we can be worried.

Giampaolo never said Bennacer didn't have enough time to gel with his partners, but he said the guy had no time to integrate his ideas. That's strange because Bennacer and Krunic for example are former players of Giampaolo from his Empoli days ! So they should know more than anybody else what is asked by the coach !

If you want instant result, Milan should buy world class players but unfortunately they will cost at least 300 mil euros ( 1 player should be around 60-70 mil euros, we need at least half of the team). Then you should hire world class coach who has proved his quality. 
What Milan have been doing are buying potential players with quality and hire a good coach but not yet a world class. And they have been in Milan only for about two months. The most important thing, MG has not played his best possible line-up so have some patience. I thought we have already seen how a club should be run with respect of the coach. You can't have new coach and suddenly you want direct result. It was Milan era, not now.
(08-27-2019, 02:52 PM)Siregar Wrote: [ -> ]It is strange you compared us with Inter. 

To respon your post, how much Inter took Lukaku (26 yo) and Milan paid for Leao (20 yo)? From their prices, that should give information the difference between them with regards of quality. One is established player while the other is still young and has only  played limited games. Not to mention Leao comes from French League which is far inferior to Premier League (Lukaku). The Portuguese also had (small?) injury one or two games before vs Udinese. 

With Sensi (23 yo) it is just so clear why Conte played him from the first minute. He featured in all friendly games with Inter as starter. Well, I dont get it why you brought Berella since he was only substitute. What we have? Bennacer (21 yo) just joined the team in the middle of August and had no single minute with Milan under MG. IIRC only Paqueta who joined earlier (eventhough he arrived late compare to the rest) compared to Bennacer and Kessie. I am not sure about Krunic, it seems he had injury or something else.

It was Milan first game and our starters were almost exactly the same with pre season. It is understanable MG put players he has used in most of times in the summer. 

Until now, I am not disappointed with our mercato especially the rumours said that we still will make major signings. Hopefully they will be CAM and SS, if we could add CM it would be great.

I wasn't pointing Leao in my post, as like you said, he had a small injury.
But Bennacer could and should have played, as he already knows Giampaolo, and many say, a talented player can quickly play in a team (so, if he is as talented as what averyone say in Milan and on forums, why on the bench ? A good player in his natural role wouldn't be better than another player who plays in a position for the first time ?).

Castillejo is nowhere near the required level for the SS position, and it was obvious from all the friendly games. Suso should have been tried there, during the summer, with another CAM (and the team would have looked more like a 4-3-2-1 than 4-3-1-2, which is rumoured for our next game).

About Giampaolo, he needs to be given time, I agree with that and I hope it will work for us, for the 3rd/4th place. But after a whole summer with these players, the ones he sent on the pitch, the same ones who played together for a whole season or almost with another coach, we could and we have to expect more.
It looked like it was a totally new team with 11 new players who were sent on the pitch under this new coach who arrived the day before.

About the mercato, if Bennacer turns to be the strong player he is hyped to be, it will already be a good mercato just thanks to him. I don't expect much from Krunic, so it could be a good surprise. Leao will need time, he wasn't that excellent in Lille and was shadowed by the season of Nicolas Pépé. Duarte IMO is just a younger replacement of Zapata. Hernandez should be a good player too when he will be back, better than Rodriguez at the end. So about our mercato, overall, I agree with you and if they can add one or two good players before the end of the mercato, it will be a good mercato.
Do you guys realize how often us fans AND management (not just current one) have started evaluating a player's talent after he has been bought? Read back MM and other posts and see management's statements and Milan's problems are clear. It is really not correct to start evaluating a player's suitability after paying for him.
(08-27-2019, 03:31 PM)GeoTav Wrote: [ -> ]I wasn't pointing Leao in my post, as like you said, he had a small injury.
But Bennacer could and should have played, as he already knows Giampaolo, and many say, a talented player can quickly play in a team (so, if he is as talented as what averyone say in Milan and on forums, why on the bench ? A good player in his natural role wouldn't be better than another player who plays in a position for the first time ?).

Castillejo is nowhere near the required level for the SS position, and it was obvious from all the friendly games. Suso should have been tried there, during the summer, with another CAM (and the team would have looked more like a 4-3-2-1 than 4-3-1-2, which is rumoured for our next game).

About Giampaolo, he needs to be given time, I agree with that and I hope it will work for us, for the 3rd/4th place. But after a whole summer with these players, the ones he sent on the pitch, the same ones who played together for a whole season or almost with another coach, we could and we have to expect more.
It looked like it was a totally new team with 11 new players who were sent on the pitch under this new coach who arrived the day before.

About the mercato, if Bennacer turns to be the strong player he is hyped to be, it will already be a good mercato just thanks to him. I don't expect much from Krunic, so it could be a good surprise. Leao will need time, he wasn't that excellent in Lille and was shadowed by the season of Nicolas Pépé. Duarte IMO is just a younger replacement of Zapata. Hernandez should be a good player too when he will be back, better than Rodriguez at the end. So about our mercato, overall, I agree with you and if they can add one or two good players before the end of the mercato, it will be a good mercato.

MG must have reason why Bennacer started from the bench. Vs Udinese Bennacer  played indeed much better than Hakan, one of our biggest problem against Udinese but MG as you said already knows Bennacer, maybe he sees something we dont see. Maybe he is still young (21) and starting him over Hakan could affect Bennacer and especially the harmony of the team? Hakan has trained since the first day and has been tried as deep-lying playmaker in the pre season plus also much senior compared to Bennacer while Bennacer came around 14-15th of August, had no game with his new team mates and still very young. In addition, Bennacer is not a wonderkid. From these fact, I  only can see that MG want the best for his team not only for the first game but for the future. 

I have high hope for Bennacer and Leao, looking forward to watching these 'kids' play again (from the first minute).
What is left to be excited for, regarding Milan? All that change and we are still in the same shitpit. Don't expect improvement with these frauds in the owners chair and in our management.
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