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RE: General Chat - reza - 09-24-2016
Came across this today, was on Gazzetta
RE: General Chat - reza - 12-28-2016
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RE: General Chat - reza - 04-21-2017
RE: General Chat - nefremo - 04-21-2017
I just saw this......United Kingdom's top attraction is Harry Potter Studio Tour???
RE: General Chat - reza - 09-16-2017
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RE: General Chat - reza - 12-12-2017
May be some here have thoughts about this, if you do please post. Some general non football chat
A former Facebook executive has said he feels “tremendous guilt” over his work on “tools that are ripping apart the social fabric of how society works”, joining a growing chorus of critics of the social media giant.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/dec/11/facebook-former-executive-ripping-society-apart
RE: General Chat - ACMILAN1983 - 12-12-2017
Thanks for posting Reza. I do have thoughts on FB and social media in general. While I don't use it extensively for personal purposes, it's impossible to escape the impact in the modern world.
It's an interesting topic, one that I've kind of touched on in my posts about Milan recently when commenting on stories and rumours about our ownership. In that, I mostly spoke about news outlets speculating, but I did mention how social media (including mentioning FB and Twitter by name) are places where people get their news these days from unverified sources. That's a scary prospect, as it can lead to innocent people getting hurt as seen with the lynching story following WhatsApp messages or manipulating the political landscape as mentioned in the article.
From a perspective as an IT professional, I think the concepts of Facebook, Twitter, WhatsApp, Instagram and other social media platforms are great. They're a way to bring people together and help people communicate. From that perspective, I understand why the creators often look to distance themselves from the content posted on them or the potential impact of them in society. Think of it as "I provide you a tool to do some DIY, how you use that tool and for what purpose isn't my responsibility" or the creator of the telephone wasn't responsible for the conversations people had using them.
Now, in terms of the effect of social media in society, it's been as beneficial as it is harmful. The point of social media is to connect people. Whether it be individuals to one another, a platform for organisations to communicate with consumers or the media finding a quick and easy outlet to get messages out to readers, social media allows people to quickly connect with anyone around the globe at the touch of a button. It's why it's incredibly powerful, because it's a modern form of communication that brings people together.
However, there's the dark underbelly to social media in how it's consumed by its users. Socially, part of the problem is people use social media platforms to try and manage insecurities. They post their lives on the platforms as they get likes (which in turn releases dopamine in the brain to feel "good") and this cycle repeats itself into addiction if not managed. That's a very simple example, but I bet everyone knows at least one person like that. The problem is this is basically giving a false sense of self confidence without actually dealing with those insecurities, it only helps to an extent and can become harmful if the person doesn't actually deal with their issues.
The other aspect is people develop self confidence issues and insecurities from social media. They get enveloped in others who post their lives on the platforms and as they only see the "good" of another person's life, they question their own lives and can suffer anxiety or depression as a result.
Another point is the art of communication is lost in social media. On the one hand these are tools for communication, but people use them in a way where they actually stop communicating to other people. There's the obvious examples of where a couple goes out to dinner and half the time is spent on their phones on Facebook rather than speaking to each other. However, more than that the subtleties in communication are lost too. For instance, the social media landscape is very much about satiating oneself given the way it's commonly used. It's so often about gratifying the ego than it is about actually communicating. To put it another way, it's often said that to build a relationship with someone through communication, it's vital to ask the person about themselves and their opinions. This generates engagement and helps develop an understanding as well as the opportunity to then make the conversation a back and forth rather than one way.
Going back to my posts on MM as an example, I've on a frequent basis said I would love to hear people's views and opinions on topics. I try to give my thoughts, as I'm doing here, but the foundation of this thread will be then seeing other opinions and getting a diverse range of responses on the subject, because there's no set view on the subject and a conversation dies if there's no response.
This rarely happens in social media, because while it's a tool to communicate, most "communication" in social media is one way or individual posts.
As for news and political agendas, I'm of the opinion that organisations like Facebook have a Corporate Social Responsibility to do what it can to protect people from political agendas, manipulation and other potentially dangerous content. The fact that there's evidence of Russian Ads to influence the American elections is disturbing. However, this isn't just down to corporate America. Trump is constantly using social media, particularly Twitter, to spread hate and lies as a form of manipulation and then in turn cries wolf at the news outlets who question him.
This returns to the point I was making when posting about Milan's ownership. We, as consumers of this media, need to educate ourselves and get smarter in how we consume news to try and objectively understand the news and its validity before we start to pick up arms in response. That's the world we live in whether we like it or not and fundamentally we're responsible for what we believe. If we ignorantly continue to believe anything and everything blindly without any fact checking first, we're just as guilty as those posting this stuff and the organisations who fail to act on those posts.
Whether we like it or not, social media is not going away even with the criticism and nor should it, it can be a great tool in modern communication. However, it's as dangerous as it is beneficial and people who use it should have a strong understanding of it's benefits and drawbacks, something I know for fact isn't the case today.
I will end on a positive thought. There was recently a video posted that went viral about a kid in America who got bullied and he was in tears in the video questioning why some feel the need to hurt others for being different. I've not gone out and fact checked this kid is actually the victim of a bully, but logical reasoning suggests there's no reason for this to be a fake video and regardless the message is incredibly powerful, important and valid in today's society regarding the subject of bullying.
What was special is not just the number of views the video got as it emotionally resonated with people, but the number of supporters for the child from normal people to some of the most famous people on the planet. This shows how social media can be of value, because as a result there will be pressure on the school to clamp down on bullying, it highlights a very serious subject in society and hopefully the outpour of support for the child helps him understand that he's loved and gives him confidence going forward. It shows the value and power social media can have.
Sorry for the long post, but I think it's an important topic and can't wait to see what others think on the matter.
RE: General Chat - drucurl - 12-12-2017
(12-12-2017, 04:27 AM)reza Wrote: May be some here have thoughts about this, if you do please post. Some general non football chat
A former Facebook executive has said he feels “tremendous guilt” over his work on “tools that are ripping apart the social fabric of how society works”, joining a growing chorus of critics of the social media giant.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/dec/11/facebook-former-executive-ripping-society-apart
I think I AGREE.
Social media has imho lowered everyone's IQ significantly (myself included).
We take SNAPSHOTS of people's lives based on what we see on FB/Instagram/Twitter etc and used these to DEFINE the people we look at. The concept seems odd if you spell it out like that but that's what we (again self included) do
The other issue is that it has spawned a league of misguided, moronic virtue signalling cunts who have nothing better to do with their lives.
Kid got bullied?
Dog dies?
Breakup?
Personal Tragedy?
= OH NOES ARMAGEDDON
I'm not trying to minimize anyone's personal difficulties but the thing is that we grow and we learn from our pain and shitty experiences. There are ppl who now try to circumvent these processes by turning into e-vigilante armies....and end up almost invariably exacerbating the situation.
Most glaring case in point: August Ames (RIP August I will miss your generational talent)
She came out on Twitter saying that she doesn't want to perform with male actors who do gay porn for the sake of her health and the risks involved
Pretty fair no? Especially if you're a feminist who believes in #HerBody #HerChoice etc.
Well apparently LGBTQ "tolerance" (I'd call it something else) takes priority on a woman's choices and this poor girl was literally bullied to death.
Lots of even fellow porn stars told her to kill herself and she was subjected to every sort of vile comment there is.
She hung herself three days later and some of these despicable cunts were still going on about how she needed to be educated on "homophobia"
We're talking about a woman who is openly attracted to women here
Of course I don't really think cyber bullying is a threat to anyone in General...however whether you harass someone (who turned out to have mental fragilities as her) irl or online, the results can be similar.
In the old days I think there were allowed a wider range of opinions i.e. diversity of opinion was something to be treasured. But in the era of social media, where there is a large issue with comeuppance, there seems to be a pervasive desire for ppl to act more virtuous that they really are. This leads to Orwellian nonsence like the terms "hate speech" or the absurd propagation of the assorted "phobias" like "Islamophobia", "homophobia" etc....most of which are VERY poorly suited terms which almost function as antonyms to the real life situations.
RE: General Chat - reza - 12-12-2017
Good points Dev and dru, thanks.
I think social media is exaggerating or perhaps extending one aspect that is present in real life. The modern culture of hero worship, for example a singer, is stretched by following the hero on social media. This effects the followers' perception of how life is, how the follower feels when he/she is constantly 'listening' to that singer's every word and action on and off social media. It can be unhealthy becuase many people or heroes will fall or fade and that brings the follower down too, perhaps mentally, perhaps cynically when he/she feels disappointed or betrayed.
Otherwise communication tools are great inventions that can equally inform and misinform, but the misinformation can and should be remedied by educating one self. One article, ad, post on facebook should not be anybody's only source of learning or deciding. That's not really the fault of facebook but a general and more wider social issue, the lack of respect given to education vs other social investments.
I saw that bullied kid's story today, support afforded on social media can be good, whether it has a tangible or lasting effect for the bullied kind is probably debatable. One thing both have alluded to is also important imo, when something happens justt because of social media and internet everybody feels they have to have an opinion. If August Ames or whoever decides something it doesn't mean everybody must say 'yes' or 'no', to be honest in the case of helping that bullied kid not everybody must tweet out support for him. He does need support and bullying must be stamped out but systematically at root cause, parents, teachers, kids. This goes back to modern system where parents can not always be present at home because to live everybody needs to work 12 hours a day. There is little time left to teach and learn without looking at our watches for the next shift.
RE: General Chat - ACMILAN1983 - 12-13-2017
Interesting thoughts. Dru I do agree with your point that cyber bullying is a massive problem and people get a hive mentality (the sjw in this case) in using social media. In the case of August Ames, that's just a sad story to hear and she's ironically a victim of unfair and intolerant attacks.
People who claim she was homophobic are clearly missing the point based on what I've read. She didn't attack the gay community nor tried to restrict their freedom, but made a personal choice not to partake in activities involving men who have been involved in gay activities. She had every right to choose who she is professionally involved with and those attacking her are as intolerant as those who are homophobic, just extremist on the other end of the spectrum. I don't know if she communicated this poorly and so began to attract hate, but certainly from what I've seen, her choice should have been respected as she was entitled to it.
Reza, I agree with your points. Traditionally it was said you should never meet your heroes in life because you'll only be disappointed. People who follow their "heroes" need to understand that they are flawed human beings and may make mistakes or not live up to expectation. That comes down to ignorance on the part of the fan.
I agree totally on the bullying story. The response the boy got shouldn't be seen as a lasting or long term solution, instead it's up to people to help the boy, both by stopping the bullying at the root, but also helping him to learn to deal with people who may not like him in life (unfortunately, not everyone will like you) and helping him develop his self confidence and minimise insecurities at the core.
I agree with you about the Internet being a place where people have a very black and white view of the world, which is unfortunate because the world isn't that simple and there are a variety of shades of grey.