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RE: Summer transfer window 2017 - Nicolas - 06-18-2017

(06-18-2017, 07:37 PM)Hitman Wrote: If he was there to talk to Donnarumma, it's illegal. That's why there are agents. They're clearly trying to destroy Raiola (Fassone, Mirabelli and Auro Palomba - one of our legal advisors) so they need to get to Gigio without Mino's interference. If they did admit that they're there to talk to him, Raiola's lawyers will be having a field day and will know exactly how to sue.

As far as I know, the players are employees of the club, and the club's officials are free to discuss whatever they want with the them. Most players prefer to have agents handle these types subjects, but the agents don't own the players, and Mino has no way to sue Milan for taking directly with Donnarumma's relatives. All he and Donnarumma can do is to be angry with Milan for trying to bypass the guy Donnarumma picked to represent him.


RE: Summer transfer window 2017 - slifersd - 06-18-2017

(06-18-2017, 08:58 PM)Nicolas Wrote: As far as I know, the players are employees of the club, and the club's officials are free to discuss whatever they want with the them. Most players prefer to have agents handle these types subjects, but the agents don't own the players, and Mino has no way to sue Milan for taking directly with Donnarumma's relatives. All he and Donnarumma can do is to be angry with Milan for trying to bypass the guy Donnarumma picked to represent him.

That's exactly what I thought too. Mirabelli can speak to Dolla about anything he wants to, because we are still his employer and therefore have unlimited access to him. Now of course, Dolla can deflect all contract talk to Raiola and basically shut Mirabelli down if the topic is brought up, but there are absolutely no legal ground for raiola to sue us for talking to Dolla.


RE: Summer transfer window 2017 - Ryo - 06-18-2017

By the way, Dolla taking abuse from Italian fans (not  sure if Milan or not) and it's friggin hilarious!



More videos in the link as well.  Devilsmoke


RE: Summer transfer window 2017 - devoted_dm - 06-18-2017

Oof.. After seeing what happened in Poland tonight I'm not sure if there's any point in Mirabelli going. Our fans may have burned all bridges with the player now.

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RE: Summer transfer window 2017 - nefremo - 06-19-2017

Haha screw him man! The only way to fix this is to fire Raiola and explain himself, appologize for all the misunderstandings...


RE: Summer transfer window 2017 - Hitman - 06-19-2017

(06-18-2017, 08:42 PM)devoted_dm Wrote: Alright, good points there Smile I'm just being a pessimist, I guess. But is it really not legal for the club to talk to a contracted player without his agent present?

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(06-18-2017, 08:58 PM)Nicolas Wrote: As far as I know, the players are employees of the club, and the club's officials are free to discuss whatever they want with the them. Most players prefer to have agents handle these types subjects, but the agents don't own the players, and Mino has no way to sue Milan for taking directly with Donnarumma's relatives. All he and Donnarumma can do is to be angry with Milan for trying to bypass the guy Donnarumma picked to represent him.

Perhaps not to sue, but Raiola has instructed Gigio not to talk to the management regarding the contract at all because that's why Mino is there. It's literally his job to deal with the contract and that's how he got this 18 year old a 5m annual contract rather than a more than reasonable 2.5m annual contract. These are Mino's instructions and Gigi has every right to tell the club to talk to his agent, because he's ignorant in how the system/taxes/procedures work. He cannot possibly be able to sit at a negotiating table and ask for more money because he's not as experienced as his agent. It's basically like the cops taking you in and you are telling them you won't speak without your lawyer being in the picture (as he knows your rights).

I'm not sure if it's illegal but every case is different I suppose.

(06-18-2017, 09:47 PM)devoted_dm Wrote: Oof.. After seeing what happened in Poland tonight I'm not sure if there's any point in Mirabelli going. Our fans may have burned all bridges with the player now.

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That's what I always worried about. I knew this was blown out of proportion by impatient and emotionally hurt fans as we clearly witnessed today after reading Raiola's interview and Fassone's words soon after. It's just a case of handling rejection.

In summary Raiola says: Gigio wants Milan, not an economic matter, not an ownership/ambition matter. Basically he's at odds with Mirabelli and he's okay to deal with Fassone going forward but not Mirabelli. They are open to talk for a renewal but he doesn't know if that's possible anymore given the reaction of the fans. He doesn't have any agreement with any club.

Fassone also replied that if Gigio changed his mind they'd welcome him back with open arms because they are certain 100% that Gigio always wanted to stay and this rejection came only from Raiola because he couldn't get a higher cut.

Clearly, the issue is Raiola not getting his cut. The problem is why has Donnarumma allowed Raiola to refuse the contract only because Mino can't get his cut. Raiola is talking in the meetings in Gigio's name in a way Gigio would not have probably approved of, and that's not right. That is why the fans reacted the way they did - we assumed that Raiola = Donnarumma when Raiola is representing Donnarumma (and himself as well, that's where the deal breaker is).. the mismanagement of Raiola is what blew this out of proportion. And my opinion is that Fassone wanted to show Gigio what would happen if he continued to trust Raiola but they did not expect it to be this bad. 

Donnarumma's only mistake was putting complete faith in Raiola without his presence. He's 18. He makes mistakes like we all do. But we absolutely roasted him and he's potentially going to be the best goalkeeper of all time... how would we feel when we realize that the real reason he leaves us in the future is because of the reaction of the impatient fans to the news report of Mino refusing the contract renewal (on behalf of Gigio, whether he agreed or not). Are we certain he really is the snake here before all the fans judged him and convicted him and treated him like one? People aren't drawing the line between Gigio & Mino and that's where we get confused.


You guys haven't even heard Gigio talk yet to express his opinion on Milan or on Raiola. It's just been Fassone/Mirabelli x Raiola and we seem to be completely owning Raiola after the recent interview. I love the approach of our management and I'm loving the more and more every day. With or without Donnarumma, I am behind Fassone. Hopefully we find a solution that involves us renewing Gigio whilst somehow pushing Raiola away.


RE: Summer transfer window 2017 - Hitman - 06-19-2017

Fassone #1

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Fassone #2
Quote:"It seems quite simple: the player and agent have made a technical and economic assessment , thinking to address in the future to a club with pedigree more highly placed and greater financial resources. Raiola wants to economically enhance the player's path and move it intends to maximize revenues. to the insured and for himself. Gigio assured us wants to stay ? Exactly. from the first day after our settlement we started talking about it with him, both with Raiola. And while Raiola always tended to slow down, the player told us that you want to Milan. And there you stare watching us said in the eyes. It was absolutely sincere. at the end prevailed the agent's line and I am convinced that in his heart Gigio is not convinced of the decision. it's all brought back to Raiola? But there steep. The decision is his. He used his influence, and he is very influential on Gigio. Think about it: a ragazo 18 years and a major attorney with great personality. How could he end up? Of course, when I looked at the boy in the eye a great deal of hope that everything ended well I had it. But ... If I expected a stance by Donnarumma? No. It 's normal that you have put in the agent's hands. I expected instead Raiola whereabouts optimal solution. Raiola comes to bullying? It makes me smile. If you intend to phone calls we made to the boy, it seems normal to try to the end for a player like that. And 'exaggeration to say that we are at war? Well, if he sticks Mirabelli attacks around the MIlan. The declaration of war is his. Raiola goes against Mirabelli because he wants to dig a trench in Milan. But the play does not work. Why I have not taken? Mirabelli makes no compromises. The threats to do this play? They are not. I can only say that in Monte Carlo the tones are a bit exasperated. But we have made a significant financial offer. They were surprised positively. So we were optimistic. A Gigio I said: "Think about it, if you renew you find ten thousand people under the seat. Too much rush on our part? Obviously we have different temporal concepts. For Raiola two months are" too quick "? The first meeting was April 14 and then there were others, we had plenty of time to get to know. And then I would strongly clarify one thing: if I can not understand what can happen to a player on deadline, I have no way of cautelarmi if that player then do not renews. Look fact what happened with De Sciglio: the uncertainty, arrived Rodriguez. If I feel betrayed? Gigio we love everyone and have * mo tried to transfer to him the feeling anyway. I'll tell you more: AC Milan still today would be ready to take him back with open arms. Even the fans more incavolati.Non exclude a rapprochement? i say that if we received a phone call in which there is pro * been up the possibility to sit down again to talk about it, if it does * Remmo nce problems. On our availability to resume talking about there. * To Cer, Raiola was very clear, but I do not exclude that the parties riparlino and revisiting. Obvious * mind, when you riaggregherà to the team, we will also talk with the player. If I could go back I would do everything the same way. What would be ethical? A renovation with a clause that would go well at all. Instead of putting the corner the other negotiator with contractual weakness. And 'ugly and embittered me. If we will do business with Raiola? There has never foreclosure. Do not count personal issues. In the future it will happen again to do business with him. And also for his other clients, Abbot and Bonaventura, counts only they are functional to the project. Fans lined up with us? Very beautifull. I did not think happened. They gave us confidence in no time. We have a mature crowd. However deplore the threats coming to the player. Never would see the field if he stays? And who said that? We seek another strong goalkeeper, but the hierarchies established Montella. There foreclosure to see Donnarumma holder. They all go out losers from this story? Milan loses a strong goalkeeper, and also lose in economic terms. But the affair has cemented the relationship with the fans. "



RE: Summer transfer window 2017 - porcho - 06-19-2017

(06-19-2017, 01:05 AM)Hitman Wrote: I knew this was blown out of proportion by impatient and emotionally hurt fans as we clearly witnessed today after reading Raiola's interview and Fassone's words soon after. It's just a case of handling rejection.

You can't say it's blown out of proportion. He says he loves the club and will never leave. 6 months later says he WONT sign a new contract regardless of what $$ is offered.

In summary Raiola says: Gigio wants Milan, not an economic matter, not an ownership/ambition matter. Basically he's at odds with Mirabelli and he's okay to deal with Fassone going forward but not Mirabelli. They are open to talk for a renewal but he doesn't know if that's possible anymore given the reaction of the fans. He doesn't have any agreement with any club.

Raiola is the problem here... He openly admitted to having a strong dislike for Mirabelli and made false accusations that Gigio and his family were threatened by the club. Not the best way to "not start a war"

Fassone also replied that if Gigio changed his mind they'd welcome him back with open arms because they are certain 100% that Gigio always wanted to stay and this rejection came only from Raiola because he couldn't get a higher cut.

Clearly, the issue is Raiola not getting his cut. The problem is why has Donnarumma allowed Raiola to refuse the contract only because Mino can't get his cut. Raiola is talking in the meetings in Gigio's name in a way Gigio would not have probably approved of, and that's not right. That is why the fans reacted the way they did - we assumed that Raiola = Donnarumma when Raiola is representing Donnarumma (and himself as well, that's where the deal breaker is).. the mismanagement of Raiola is what blew this out of proportion. And my opinion is that Fassone wanted to show Gigio what would happen if he continued to trust Raiola but they did not expect it to be this bad. 

Donnarumma's only mistake was putting complete faith in Raiola without his presence. He's 18. He makes mistakes like we all do. But we absolutely roasted him and he's potentially going to be the best goalkeeper of all time... how would we feel when we realize that the real reason he leaves us in the future is because of the reaction of the impatient fans to the news report of Mino refusing the contract renewal (on behalf of Gigio, whether he agreed or not). Are we certain he really is the snake here before all the fans judged him and convicted him and treated him like one? People aren't drawing the line between Gigio & Mino and that's where we get confused.

Raiola is a problem. And a huge one. The club have acted how they should... Just because the snake is used to bending us over and taking what he wants he can't assume that that will continue. It's unfortunate it's come to this but ultimately Gigio is the one here that has the power. Regardless of age, he'd have to be blind to not see that the Snake is acting in his own best interests not Gigio's. He was the power to fix this but so far has chosen not to.

You guys haven't even heard Gigio talk yet to express his opinion on Milan or on Raiola. It's just been Fassone/Mirabelli x Raiola and we seem to be completely owning Raiola after the recent interview. I love the approach of our management and I'm loving the more and more every day. With or without Donnarumma, I am behind Fassone. Hopefully we find a solution that involves us renewing Gigio whilst somehow pushing Raiola away.

So much this!!!! The only way I would take him back is if Gigio sacked him and signed a new 5 year deal and then came out and explained why things went the way they did. In keeping silent, he only shows that the Dollarumma name is the perfect fit.



RE: Summer transfer window 2017 - Stitch - 06-19-2017

Best of all time?

I mean, he is good, but lets not overrate him too much.

And please for the love of god stop finding excuses for him. IF he wants to stay, and I repeat, IF, he can come out today, fire his agent, sign the contract, apologize to the fans, and I'm sure all of this would have been forgotten pretty soon. But guess what? he DOES NOT want to stay. He is a fucking greedy bastard, same as his agent.

I just hope we bench him for the year.


RE: Summer transfer window 2017 - hwmook - 06-19-2017

(06-19-2017, 01:55 AM)Stitch Wrote: Best of all time?

I mean, he is good, but lets not overrate him too much.

And please for the love of god stop finding excuses for him. IF he wants to stay, and I repeat, IF, he can come out today, fire his agent, sign the contract, apologize to the fans, and I'm sure all of this would have been forgotten pretty soon. But guess what? he DOES NOT want to stay.  He is a fucking greedy bastard, same as his agent.

I just hope we bench him for the year.

I totally agree. He is good but not great. He is more like abbiati than buffon base on his performances. People just see that he is only 18 and think that he would become better in future but it might not be the case, many players just stop growing. Niang at 21 is really not much better than 17 for example.