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RE: Summer transfer window 2017 - ACM2020 - 06-19-2017
It does seem that everyone is agreeing that in order for him to return, he will need to fire Raiola. I can see an apology, which these days aren't too difficult. Anyone can cough one up and make it look sincere. But firing that fat f*ck would be a real move with real implications.
RE: Summer transfer window 2017 - Hitman - 06-19-2017
oh wow.. days ago everyone was totally against Donnarumma regardless of what happens.
now everyone's like okay we'd forgive Donnarumma if he sacked Raiola? hahaha
This is what happens when you take time to think patiently. Some people needed a few minutes, some needed days... Others needed more clarity because they couldn't add 1+1 together themselves and needed the two pressers by Raiola and Fassone. Sooner or later you'll all be cheering his name once he makes that last minute save in the following season. Fans these days act only on impulse. Even Fassone knows it when he said 'we will forgive him with open arms and I think even the Milan fans would'.
RE: Summer transfer window 2017 - nefremo - 06-20-2017
What are you talking about man! A lot of us have said that the only way to fix this is to fire Raiola. I've saying that from the beginning! That's the only way I (and I'm sure many others) will be able to believe that he wanted to be here but Raiola fuked it all up. If he doesn't fire him, he needs to just go, as clearly the decision was Dollar's.
You wanna give him every excuse in the book, go ahead. It's your right....but not even the biggest Gigio fans can look through this. This was some bullshit of the highest level against his own club and fans...against the people that put every ounce of trust and belief in him....ahd he instead did the same for Raiola. Fire the fay cunt, and we can speak. Otherwise he'll alwayd just be another player in the long line of dirtbags.
You know you can discuss things without insulting people that don't share your opinion, right? Or can you not?
RE: Summer transfer window 2017 - AC_Troy - 06-20-2017
(06-19-2017, 11:58 PM)Hitman Wrote: oh wow.. days ago everyone was totally against Donnarumma regardless of what happens.
now everyone's like okay we'd forgive Donnarumma if he sacked Raiola? hahaha
This is what happens when you take time to think patiently. Some people needed a few minutes, some needed days... Others needed more clarity because they couldn't add 1+1 together themselves and needed the two pressers by Raiola and Fassone. Sooner or later you'll all be cheering his name once he makes that last minute save in the following season. Fans these days act only on impulse. Even Fassone knows it when he said 'we will forgive him with open arms and I think even the Milan fans would'.
He already got his anyways
$$$
RE: Summer transfer window 2017 - slifersd - 06-20-2017
As long as Dolla extends, management wouldn't really care about if Raiola is fired or not, truth be told. This whole thing can work out one of two ways, if Raiola is still his agent, we are going to sell him in the not too distant future for big money since we now have the leverage; if Raiola is fired, we can potentially keep him around for a while, at least until Plizzari is ready to step into a bigger role.
RE: Summer transfer window 2017 - porcho - 06-20-2017
(06-20-2017, 12:38 AM)nefremo Wrote: What are you talking about man! A lot of us have said that the only way to fox this is to fire Raiola. I've saying that from the beginning! That's the only way I (and I'm sure many others) will be able to believe that he wanted to be here but Raiola fuked it all up. If he doesn't fire him, he needs to just go, as clearly the decision was Dollar's.
You wanma give him every excuse in the book, go ahead. It's your right....but not even the biggest Gigio fans can look through this. This was some bullshit of the highest level against his own club and fans...against the people that put every ounce of trust and belief in him....ahd he instead did the same for Raiola. Fire the fay cunt, and we can speak. Otherwise he'll alwayd just be another player in the long line of dirtbags.
You know you can discuss things without insulting people that don't share your opinion, right? Or can you not?
THIS!
There seems to be a few on this forum that are the same.
RE: Summer transfer window 2017 - somedevil - 06-20-2017
Remember that birthday video we made for Dollarumma. Yeah, we gonna need an apology video like that. And even then I am not forgiving him. Dollarumma done fucked up. Now that shit got out of hand, he and Mino are in damage control mode. This lad has shown his true colors and if he comes back, he is just someone who's doing the job between the posts for us. Nothing more. Never a captain and forget about being a bandiera.
If he renews then All I will look forward to is the money we will make when we eventually sell him. And hopefully we can develop Plizzari in the meantime.
RE: Summer transfer window 2017 - sylrus - 06-20-2017
also dont forget that raiola commented that if galliani is still around ibra would just go straight to milan, now thats what i call a bad management, and one that can't let go of the past.
RE: Summer transfer window 2017 - Hitman - 06-20-2017
(06-20-2017, 12:38 AM)nefremo Wrote: You know you can discuss things without insulting people that don't share your opinion, right? Or can you not?
dear nefremo, please show me where I've insulted you or anyone for that matter in my last post. thanks. i'll be waiting. There's a difference between arguing against you and insulting you. If you want people just to agree with everything you say, cool, but this is a public forum. When you post your opinion on the board, it's out there for anyone to reply, whether they agree or not.
The message was not directed to you but you feel like it was for some reason. It was directed to a very big group of Milanisti that turned their back on their prodigal son without thinking patiently or logically the first day or two. Like you disagree with me for thinking I'm siding with Donnarumma without reason (even though you're wrong) I can disagree with you for all the negativity posted towards him can I not?
Get a grip of yourself dude, it's just conversation and you seem you can't handle someone with an opinion that's different to yours referring to my opinion as an insult. If you can't handle being called impatient and impulsive, then you really need to wake up and adapt to the real world. How can we solve problems if you chose to ignore them and turn a blind eye to them? Then again - it wasn't directed to you but it seems like you felt that you fit into that category.
RE: Summer transfer window 2017 - nefremo - 06-20-2017
If anything, I am always open to other people's opinions. I have no problem admitting that mine might not be the right one and agree to disagree with someone else. If you've read the forum, you will know that. My opinion is no better than yours or anyone else's. I'm no pro. I am in my living room trying to interpret things as I see them. Right or wrong. If someone thinks it is wrong, no problem. I will not be hurt whatsoever. I will instead debate, discuss...AND do it respectfully.
But when you come out and start saying things like these....it get's a little annoying to be honest:
1. "We fans are just impatient and butt-hurt. This is how we're handling rejection, by taking it all out on him on social media. Hope it makes you guys feel better about yourselves though.
I've added all of my responses to your post in red."
2. "This is what happens when you take time to think patiently. Some people needed a few minutes, some needed days... Others needed more clarity because they couldn't add 1+1 together themselves and needed the two pressers by Raiola and Fassone. Sooner or later you'll all be cheering his name".
3. Get a grip of yourself dude, it's just conversation and you seem you can't handle someone with an opinion that's different to yours referring to my opinion as an insult. If you can't handle being called impatient and impulsive, then you really need to wake up and adapt to the real world. How can we solve problems if you chose to ignore them and turn a blind eye to them? Then again - it wasn't directed to you but it seems like you felt that you fit into that category.
You wrote those 3 quoted parts in the last 2 days. Let me also remind you, the first quote about being "butt-hurt" was in a direct response to me after I just simply disagreed with your opinion. That's all I did. You support Gigio, and I still don't trust him. I voiced my opinion which happened to be different than yours. You responded to my points (which by the way was ABSOLUTELY FINE), and than for whatever reason you proceeded to end your post with that quoted part.
Also, let me remind you.....to that disrespectful 1st quote, I replied with this:
"I can discuss all your other points, I have no problem with that. We all have an opinion, so I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on most of them.
But this last comment you made is not necessary. You wanna give every excuse in the book for Donnarumma, go ahead. It's your right, and again as I said, I completely understand. It's an opinion and for all I know yours could be the right one. But don't come around calling people butt-hurt and being right down disrespectful to people's opinions. If you don't agree, you don't agree. That's all you have to say."
Again, I said that it's your opinion, I respect it even though I don't agree with it. So who is it that can't stand others not agreeing with them?? Me?? Or is it you? I think those posts have the answer in them!
On the second quote, again, you are disrespectful to people that don't share your opinion. You don't want to use the word "insulting", fine. Use a different word. Whichever one you want. But the point remains the same.
I'm not even going to say anything about the 3rd quote. That one is what it is.....
I don't want to keep going on about this. As I said already multiple times, let's agree to disagree...and even so, we can still debate the subject, no problem. No reason to disrespectfully dismiss others' opinions because you don't agree with them. Instead, dismiss them by discussing and proving your points, explaining why you think what you do. And as a matter of fact, I HOPE, really honestly HOPE, that your opinion is the correct one in this situation. That would mean that Raiola is the real culprit in this situation. We all win that way. Gigio's contract gets extended, we have our #1 GK back and don't have to worry about selling him/benching him/replacing him. It's in our best interested that Gigio proves to everyone that it was Raiola who made the mess and he actually loves Milan and will sign the extension.
Still though, until further developments, from what we know so far....Gigio is just as much to blame. If things change in the next day or so, we'll see....