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RE: Summer transfer window 2017 - Ryo - 07-17-2017

(07-17-2017, 01:46 PM)Sheldon Wrote: Great post Ryo Okmilan Nevertheless I think OP made some good points as well. He/she assumed the next fiscal year the loss will be more or less the same if there is no drastic change in revenue. Our current wage bill is 80 millions. New players' wages are approx. 40 millions net so 80 millions gross. Amortization is assumed to be 40 millions/year which is more or less reasonable. It's approx. a negative 200 millions if nothing would change in revenue (unlikely ofc).

Let's see what we can do to improve revenue:
- Player sales: if F&M manage to ship out all dead weights this summer, 75 millions losses assumed for next year would probably be gone. We only need to balance out new player wages and transfer fee amortization: -120 millions
- Win Europa League: +25 millions
- Increase season ticket sale and attendance: +10 to +15 millions
- Shirt sales: as clubs usually only get about 10-15% from kit manufactures, +10 to 15 millions maybe?
- New sponsor deals: this could be huge as you mentioned. We will break even if we could get 65 millions or more. I don't know how hard could it be to get that much but I trust the Chinese know what to do already Sagrin

In the following years, getting to CL + go as deep as possible will help us grow even more revenue-wise. We cannot let Ladri enjoy Italy's market pool by themselves Aktion060

TL;DR: It's doable but the Chinese + F&M will have to do some heavy lifting.

Thanks. I too have to add to this.

For the record, here's a list of last years wages.
http://www.rossoneriblog.com/2016/09/07/milan-20162017-players-salary-chart/

Take note of all the players with high salary (Adriano, Honda, Bertolacci, Lapa, Kucka, Pasilic, Mati etc.) that we have already taken off that list. With all the large salary outgoings, we've already lowered that 80M wage bill by about 20-30M. Leaving around 50-60M before our new players came in.

Basically adding our new signings, outside of Bonucci, Dolla, and whoever our new Striker will be, will already have their salaries mostly covered by the wages of outgoing players. Overall net wages can increase by 40-50M, and we'll still be paying out less than Merda and Ladri.

The biggest problem was revenues as you said, and our new management are already taking steps to solve that.


RE: Summer transfer window 2017 - GeoTav - 07-17-2017

(07-17-2017, 01:28 PM)nefremo Wrote: If we think about the 3 midfield positions, this is what I think the player spread is:

DMC: Biglia, Montolivo, Locatelli
LCM (this will be the more attack minded player): Bonaventura, Calhanoglu, Sosa, Zanellato 
RCM (this will likely be the box-to-box player): Kessie, Mauri

*ACMs (if we use them, 1 or 2 depending on formation): Suso, *Bonaventura, *Calhanoglu, *Sosa (these last 3 already included above as CMs)

So in terms of numbers, at the moment, we have enough as you said. That's 10 players for 3 positions (not counting the AM positions because obviously we don't know if we'll go that route. 

But a closer look at that shows that 2 of those players are Zanellato and Mauri, who will probably both leave. It is also 50-50 on Sosa. I think if a club matches his salary demands, he'll be gone. The other problem is that the only box-to-box player we have is Kessie. Mauri is the only other that can do that role, but as I said, he is likely to leave. This leaves only 1 player that can naturally do the role of a box-to-box player in Kessie. So that one position has to be filled as we can not rely only on Kessie to do that role. I think this is where the Renato Sanches interest comes in from our management.

Sosa should be sent away from Milan no matter what is the formation we want to play.

About the midfielders, I'd say more, if we play 3-5-2 :
Regista / DM - Biglia and Monto
RCM - Kessie and Locatelli
LCM - Calhanoglu and Bonaventura
Of course, you can mix as much as you want. That's ok IMO.

If we play 4-3-x (Bonaventura in a more advanced role) :
Regista / DM - Biglia and Monto
RCM - Kessie and Locatelli
LCM - Calhanoglu and *
One more midfielder needed (or keep Sosa).

If we play 4-2-3-1 or 3-2-3-1 with 2 midfielders :
Regista / DM - Biglia and Monto
CM / DM - Kessie and Locatelli
That's ok IMO.

Locatelli should have his chance in each formation if he stays in Milan ...


RE: Summer transfer window 2017 - Karl08 - 07-17-2017

(07-17-2017, 12:50 PM)Siregar Wrote: How is Belotti ability in scoring from headers?  I thougt he is at least 186 cm but from official site he is 'only' 181 cm.

(07-17-2017, 01:28 PM)nefremo Wrote: He is not very tall, but he is great in the air. As a matter of fact, that's probably one of his best attributes. The guy is just powerful and attacks the ball aggressively like few others. His timing and runs are also really good. Don't look too much into his height. I would put my money on him winning a header against most defenders out there. 

Even though he's 181 (some say 183-185, but because of his back, i dont know if its because of workout conditioning or something)
He's not the kind of target man who outmuscle any defender like lukaku, but he has the strength if needed to.

What i really like about him is just his playstyle that want to run around so aggressive, not afraid to duel someone, and many more.
I personally believe he's the right forward for current milan. Well, him and auba. But not morata.

He kinda similar to prime rooney (minus the long-shot)

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RE: Summer transfer window 2017 - nefremo - 07-17-2017

Good analysis Geo. I think we pretty much agree on all points except that I didn't include Locatelli as a box to box but kept him as one of the options at the regista spot. But sure, why not. I don't see why he couldn't work as a RCM along with Kessie.

It looks like we are building a team that we want to be flexible and not built for only 1 formation. This is also why I think we'll sign another mid. Question is whether it'll be a creative one or more of a dynamic runner. Honestly, if we can get our hands on Kovacic, he'd be the ideal candidate as he is a mix of many things.

On Sosa, I agree. We need to find a way to get him out.



On another note....if we are serious about signing Aubameyang, than this is the best time to do it. Both teams are in China and just imagine the marketing campaign we can hit first hand in China. Presenting the player before the game against Bayern to our Chinese fans. Euphoria for them and a massive PR win for us in China.

Also, with this summer being as crazy as it is and many sources saying we still have more than 100mil left to spend.....can we honestly rule out getting both Belotti and Aubameyang?? I wouldn't. Big Grin


RE: Summer transfer window 2017 - ACMILAN1983 - 07-17-2017

(07-17-2017, 10:33 AM)joneske Wrote: I really hope we don't go for Morata. I think he's very similar with Andre Silva. He costs too much ( 70 or 80m) and he doesn't score 25 goals a season. For that amount of cash i should really go for Belotti. He's a young Italian proven goal scorer.

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(07-17-2017, 12:50 PM)Siregar Wrote: How is Belotti ability in scoring from headers?  I thougt he is at least 186 cm but from official site he is 'only' 181 cm.

He's very good in the air, a good number of his goals came from headers. Tbh, one of his strengths this year has been he's proving to score all types of goals, with both feet and head.

(07-17-2017, 01:35 PM)Ryo Wrote: Playing Sanches and Kisse together with Locatelli would be like training up a more improved version of Seedorf-Pirlo-Gattuso.
To be honest, I can see it working, plus given they're all early 20s, that, like our defense, could work for a long, long time.

You know I was thinking just the same last night. Renato Sanches, Locatelli and Kessie would be a very balanced midfield set up, within 5 years you could be looking at one of the best midfield units in world football. 

If you add more creative outlets (e.g. Suso, Calhanoglu and/or Bonaventura) further up field, it could be a very interesting and exciting team.

Edit: Forgot to mention that Mirabelli's seems to have confirmed we've agreed terms with Morata, it's just down to negotiating with Real. As I mentioned yesterday, I don't think this means we're getting Morata, as I think we're in a similar position with Belotti and Auba too. Fassone stating the names outright yesterday almost certainly means we're getting at least one of them.


RE: Summer transfer window 2017 - nefremo - 07-17-2017

Morata seems to be the most expensive of the 3. Real doesn't seem to want to go down from that crazy 90+mil valuation.

Belotti obviously costs the same with crazy Cairo, but at least they might be open to accepting players in exchange.

Aubameyang might be done for about 65mil....and that is the best price.

Having said that, salary has to be put into account, as well as the players that we would be including in for Belotti. If we don't include them, we could make money on those players, so it's only fair that they are included.

Just a very quick calculation (based on assumptions that might be wrong of course):
1. Morata = 80mil + (16mil salary x 4 years) = 144mil
2. Belotti = 80mil + (8mil salary x 4 years) = 112mil
3. Aubameyang = 65mil + (16mil salary x 4 years) = 129mil
*included the taxes in the salary. I think Morata and Auba will both be offered 8mil a year and Belotti probably 4mil.

So according to that, Belotti is the cheapest solution across 4 years. If you want to keep in mind resale value, than obviously him and Morata are the better choices. However if looking at the initial investment, than Aubameyang is probably the best choice as he'll require the least amount of initial outlay and also will be the biggest marketing move that might pay off in future years and make the investment of his salary worthwhile as opposed to let's say Belotti.


RE: Summer transfer window 2017 - nefremo - 07-17-2017

From Sky.....De Sciglio to Juventus almost done. Reports on the fee are 12-14mil. Not clear yet.

Good Deal!


http://gianlucadimarzio.com/en/juventus-set-to-close-de-sciglio-and-szczesny


RE: Summer transfer window 2017 - reza - 07-17-2017

Will be very happy if De Sciglio is concluded, Bacca and Niang hopefully too.

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RE: Summer transfer window 2017 - nefremo - 07-17-2017

Hopefully Reza. We need to keep getting rid of this dead wood we have in our squad....sucking the life out of us


RE: Summer transfer window 2017 - hwmook - 07-17-2017

Lapadula deal need to be concluded.
De Sciglio need to be sold.
Barca, Sosa, Paletta, Niang, Vangioni are next. Let us get back our money.