12-19-2020, 05:27 PM
(This post was last modified: 12-19-2020, 05:28 PM by mazen111.)
(12-19-2020, 05:21 PM)reza Wrote: Ibra has been crucial but if you are discrediting Pioli how are you still praising Carlo? The last time Ancelotti did anything important was at Real in 2014, winning title with Bayern is not an achievement. His Napoli and Everton have been less consistent and worse records than 2020 Milan.
Napoli qualified to CL during carlo days which is a contribution nowadays AND TOOK THEM TO last 16 CL beating liverpool the holders. the players of sarri's success became older anyway
AS FOR EVERTON WINNING TONIGHT WILL MAKE EVERTON 5 POINTS FROM 1ST PLACE LIVERPOOL
bayern was competing with tuchel's dortmund, and they lost semi final of CL from real due to refereeing after stoppage time.
real days were the best time of competitiveness in la liga against neymar, suarez and messi at their primes
(12-19-2020, 05:27 PM)mazen111 Wrote: Napoli qualified to CL during carlo days which is a contribution nowadays AND TOOK THEM TO last 16 CL beating liverpool the holders. the players of sarri's success became older anyway
AS FOR EVERTON WINNING TONIGHT WILL MAKE EVERTON 5 POINTS FROM 1ST PLACE LIVERPOOL
bayern was competing with tuchel's dortmund, and they lost semi final of CL from real due to refereeing after stoppage time.
real days were the best time of competitiveness in la liga against neymar, suarez and messi at their primes
The Napoli team was build by Benitez and designed by Sarri and that guy Carlo had no contribution in that
You fear because you live without Love Pioli
If Carlo does any of the above like 'qualified to CL', 'last 16' while at Milan very few would be satisfied with him, even you. Everybody would say Carlo at Milan we must win everything.
As of right now coaching is not in Milan's top 3 or top 5 problems. Financing is, years of mismanagement is, pandemic created crazy fixture list is, lazy or young or inexperienced players....
(12-19-2020, 05:30 PM)Sleeping Giant Wrote: The Napoli team was build by Benitez and designed by Sarri and that guy Carlo had no contribution in that
??? where oes what you said fit? anyhow, it's not benitez, it's mazzarri
answer the other stuff ; everton will destroy arsenal tonight after finishing on chelsea and LCFC
Roback called for tomorrows game.
12-19-2020, 05:39 PM
(This post was last modified: 12-19-2020, 05:39 PM by mazen111.)
(12-19-2020, 05:32 PM)reza Wrote: If Carlo does any of the above like 'qualified to CL', 'last 16' while at Milan very few would be satisfied with him, even you. Everybody would say Carlo at Milan we must win everything.
As of right now coaching is not in Milan's top 3 or top 5 problems. Financing is, years of mismanagement is, pandemic created crazy fixture list is, lazy or young or inexperienced players....
of course he is a milan's legend and that's his DNA and the DNA HE PROMOTES IN OTHERS
As for having to win at milan, it's a must and that's what pioli wasted a chance to put us on the right track last season. Milan without Ibra is scary; the last two matches were so ugly.
It is a problem in milan, we have a decent squad (without ibra even) and a decent manager would bring us CL football with these players easily. Look what carlo did in everton. they are completely transformed into winners. any coach has to prepare for everton's match properly nowadays
(12-19-2020, 05:32 PM)mazen111 Wrote: ??? where oes what you said fit? anyhow, it's not benitez, it's mazzarri
answer the other stuff ; everton will destroy arsenal tonight after finishing on chelsea and LCFC
Players bought by Benitez-
Mertens
Raul Albiol
Higuain
Callejon
Koulibaly
Jorginho
Mazzari turned Napoli from midtable team to 'UCL' team, YES true but Benitez cemented them as a "Giant"
You fear because you live without Love Pioli
12-19-2020, 05:59 PM
(This post was last modified: 12-19-2020, 06:04 PM by nefremo.)
How exactly did Pioli waste a chance to put us "back on track"? He took over a squad in disaster in October. Sure, it took him a couple months to put things together. But putting us back on track is exactly what he's done. The last few games haven't been great, but this is normal. And it's not all due to Ibra's absence. We've had a multitude of injuries to deal with. Kjaer, Bennacer, Rebic, Saelemaekers, etc. The entire lineup has been thrown out of proportion. I din't care if you are Pioli, Carlo, Mourinho, Pep, or God himself. With this many disturbances to the line up, there will be inconsistencies in play. And btw, we still haven't lost and are 1st in the table. So what exactly is the problem?
As for Carlo? A legend of a coach. But he's been irrelevant for years now. As far as I'm concerned, he failed at PSG, Napoli and at Bayern. PSG hired him to win the CL, not Ligue 1. He failed. Napoli hired him to win the Scudetto (this is all ADL talks about). He failed. Bayern hired him to win the CL, not Bundesliga. He failed. At Chelsea he had a mixed bag or results, but he won some trophies and those for Chelsea should be considered success, even though admittedly, Chelsea themselves expected more. At Real, he won the CL, which is what they hired him for...but they too were left disappointed with his La Liga campaigns and the fact he wasn't able to overcome Barcelona, so they fired him.
Saying Carlo is irrelevant now or pointing out that he's failed in his/his club's objectives more often then not since leaving Milan, doesn't make him a bad coach and it doesn't mean we hate him. On the contrary, all of us here are appreciative of what he did with Milan and the place in history that he holds with the club. But acting as if he's gonna some sort of saviour here now is delusional. He hasn't been a "saviour" for any club since his Real times. Real is the last time where Carlo did something he was hired to. It's like saying Sacchi is irrelevant. Of course he is. He is no saviour. He was for Milan in the 80s. He was/is considered a god of football. 30 years later the best managers in the world keep making statements that their entire philosophy is based on Sacchi's football. But that doesn't make hiring Sacchi right now, the correct thing.
(12-19-2020, 05:59 PM)nefremo Wrote: How exactly did Pioli waste a chance to put us "back on track"? He took over a squad in disaster in October. Sure, it took him a couple months to put things together. But putting us back on track is exactly what he's done.
As for Carlo? A legend of a coach. But he's been irrelevant for years now. As far as I'm concerned, he failed at PSG, Napoli and at Bayern. PSG hired him to win the CL, not Ligue 1. He failed. Napoli hired him to win the Scudetto (this is all ADL talks about). He failed. Bayern hired him to win the CL, not Bundesliga. He failed. At Chelsea he had a mixed bag or results, but he won some trophies and those for Chelsea should be considered success, even though admittedly, Chelsea themselves expected more. At Real, he won the CL, which is what they hired him for...but they too were left disappointed with his La Liga campaigns and the fact he wasn't able to overcome Barcelona, so they fired him.
Saying Carlo is irrelevant now or pointing out that he's failed in his/his club's objectives more often then not since leaving Milan, doesn't make him a bad coach and it doesn't mean we hate him. On the contrary, all of us here are appreciative of what he did with Milan and the place in history that he holds with the club. But acting as if he's gonna some sort of saviour here now is delusional. He hasn't been a "saviour" for any club since his Real times. Real is the last time where Carlo did something he was hired to.
REZA should change the forum name to CarloMania
You fear because you live without Love Pioli
12-19-2020, 06:12 PM
(This post was last modified: 12-19-2020, 06:15 PM by nefremo.)
I don't expect a well thought out response from Mazen. I expect a youtube video of Milan's 2000's era, and asking us if we ever witnessed it. In the meantime, to me, it seems that Mazen himself started following Milan in the 2000's or 2010's. Nothing wrong with that, of course. But he's being nostalgic about the 2000s. But maybe he was too young to remember all the problems we had back then too. Ask any fan and they'll tell you...as much as we achieved, we massively "underachieved" as well. Especially in Serie A but also in the CL. Just take a look at the Milanmania archives (the old forum). Tons of people complained about Milan and Carlo back then too. It's all relative to the times. Right now, based on the last 1 year, Pioli is the right man for the job. Better then Carlo would be for the job.
We are in the right track. That's due to everyone involved. Pioli, Maldini, Ibra, Gazidis, Elliot, etc. You name it. But we are crawling out of the mud. Mistakes will be made. Bad form will come and hopefully go. Etc, etc. But the improvement is there for all to see. Complaining like a spoiled little kid at every turn is annoying to read tbh. But it's just Mazen i guess.....
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