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San Siro
22-10-2004, 11:47
Ladies and gents,
We are fast approaching the final sprint for the prestigious Ballon d'Or award. This year's favorites are Thierry Henry, Deco, Ronaldinho, Sheva and Adriano is also making a strong push for it. Which one of these five players do you think have the best chance?

My personal take is that Thierry Henry had a marvelous year with Arsenal in the EPL however, as painful as it is for me to say it, his Euro was very dissapointing and that may do him more harm than good in this Ballon d'Or title race. Plus, his constant approximative performances in the Champions League coupled with his dissapointing performances with France now that he he is the leader of the team, are not what one would expect from someone like him.

Deco had a marvelous run with this year's surprise package in the Champions League, FC Porto as he played a key role in leading them to their 2nd European title after 1987's one.

Ronaldinho has been a freak all year long with Barcelona and he is doing things that are simply insane with a ball. He is incredible. A pure joy to watch. He may not have won much this year with Barça, however, his constant superb performances make him a prime candidate for this year's most prestigious individual award in world football.

Andriy Shevchenko has been on fire throughout the year and all the way back to the beginning of the 2003-2004 season. He lead Milan to their 17h Scudetto while finishing Capocanoniere (top scorer in the toughest league in the world, the Serie A). He has also been banging goals for fun in the Champions League. ALso worth mentionning is that he is also getting the much needed help from Ukraine as they have had so far a promising start to their world cup qualifying campaign and Lo Tzar has also done his job nicely.

Adriano, is like a hurricane. His physical strength is that of a beast but he is not just a bulldozer. He also is blessed with an average technical skils (the term average is relative, average for a Brasilian that is, his technical abilities could be labelled as good for anyone else, but remember, we're dealing with a Brasilian. :) ) plus he has a phenomenal left foot shot. :dazed: He is simply scary. He has been simply out of this world since last season and he will be a player who will mark th world of football with his impact. :star:

All in all, I'd say that all 5 would deserve it for one reason or another. However, the Ballon d'Or is to crown a player who has been outstanding all year long, has been consistant, has won titles and most importantly, has been or is able to perform under intense pressure and when it most matters. Of the 5, the one who fills the most the above criterias is Lo Tzar, Andriy Shevchenko. At the age of 28, he has reached his prime and he is simply an unstoppable goal machine.

Consistant like a swiss watch, his greatest asset I believe is his mental strength and the fact that he has always scored in the big games he has played and against all the top guns. And that's what I believe separates him from the rest of not only the other 4 in this list, but also, the other players in the world. The only other player who has the same mental strength and ability to raise his game under pressure and deliver during the top games is Zidane and to some extent Ronaldo.

My verdict:

Ballon d'Or 2004

1) :star: Andriy Shevchenko :star:
2) Ronaldinho
3) Henry
4) Deco
5) Adriano

FORZA :star: VENTO DI PASSIONI!!!!:star: :proud::devil:

Cheers.;)

Nata
22-10-2004, 16:31
Id take Deco and Henry out.

Goirre
22-10-2004, 20:47
Excellent analysis Payman.....I think Dinho will take it, whether he deserves it more than Sheva is debatable, but Dinho is more popular than Sheva (partly for being Brazilian), and for me this award is unfortunately very much like a popularity contest.....

I lost any faith in this award's real value after Nedved won it over San Paolo :rolleyes:

anyway, we can only hope, FORZA LO TZAR!!!

tbouks02
23-10-2004, 02:13
I lost any faith in this award's real value after Nedved won it over San Paolo :rolleyes:

As much as I loved Paolo I thought Nedved deserved the Balon d'Or more last year. Think about it, what more could Nedved have done last year? Scudetto, CL finalist(which he didn't play), and he led the Czechs to an undefeated year topping their group over Holland. He was phenomenal last year. But that's ancient history.

This year I think it's between Henry, Ronaldinho, and Sheva. Deco was even worse at Euro 2004 than Henry was imo. And he is not as world class a player as the other three. Adriano probably will have to wait for next year to win this award. His explosion onto the world scene is probably too late for him to win this year.

ACMILAN1983
23-10-2004, 08:31
I think this trophy should be just between Sheva and Ronaldinho.

I know Adriano has been brilliant lately, but over the last year he's contested a major injury which saw him miss out on a huge chunk of the year. He'll probably be the fave for next year.

Henry has been amazing, except for when it counted most. In Euro 2004 he was terrible and in CL he has never shined beyond the odd matches like Inter in San Siro and Roma.

Deco definately doesn't deserve this award. I don't think he's a particularly great player at all and the only reason I can see his name being there at all is because of what Porto did last year and the fact he won two awards at the UEFA awards.

on to ronaldinho. The guy has been brilliant in the past year since he went Barca. Very much the creative force of the team he has shown great ability on the ball and his movement off has been problematic for the opposition. His lack of trophies may hurt his chances though.

Sheva deserves this award most of all in my view. Although it wasn't this year, his contribution from the CL success against Ajax, Inter and Juve will be looked at. Also, his goalscoring run since the start of last season has been incredible in the most difficult league in the world. Finally, he has shown himself as a complete forward, showing deadly predatorial skills, abilities with left and right foot and heading and also his workrate in the build up play and his assists for team mates has been excellent.

Peachtot
23-10-2004, 09:02
[QUOTE=ACMILAN1983]I think this trophy should be just between Sheva and Ronaldinho.
Henry has been amazing, except for when it counted most. In Euro 2004 he was terrible and in CL he has never shined beyond the odd matches like Inter in San Siro and Roma.

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Plus Henry I think.
Ok, henry was terrible in euro, but you know sheva failed to took part in portugal (but we know ukraine weaker than france)
All of this year, henry, sheva n dinho are the best.
Award will goes to one of them.
I hope the man is sheva :pr115:

almilan
23-10-2004, 16:49
Excellent analysis Payman.....I think Dinho will take it, whether he deserves it more than Sheva is debatable, but Dinho is more popular than Sheva (partly for being Brazilian), and for me this award is unfortunately very much like a popularity contest.....

I lost any faith in this award's real value after Nedved won it over San Paolo :rolleyes:

anyway, we can only hope, FORZA LO TZAR!!!

yes i agree that dinho will get due to larger international profile but sheva' s profile is increasing for example he is on the front cover of FIFA 2005. I too lost faith in the award when San Paolo didnt get it. he was even more amazing last year than normal. nedved played some good games some nice goals but he still dived around and moaned too much about tackles to referees in my opinion to be considered player of the year. Personally I think Adriano is the best player in the world but as he was injured for awhile he is unlikely to get it this year but i would put money on him getting it next year if he keeps playing as he is and doesnt get injured

ACMILAN1983
23-10-2004, 17:14
[QUOTE=ACMILAN1983]I think this trophy should be just between Sheva and Ronaldinho.
Henry has been amazing, except for when it counted most. In Euro 2004 he was terrible and in CL he has never shined beyond the odd matches like Inter in San Siro and Roma.

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Plus Henry I think.
Ok, henry was terrible in euro, but you know sheva failed to took part in portugal (but we know ukraine weaker than france)
All of this year, henry, sheva n dinho are the best.
Award will goes to one of them.
I hope the man is sheva :pr115:

I don't agree. Henry was poor in the Euros but also when Arsenal needed him most in CL. I think this is where Sheva excels, as although he didn't participate in Euros, he was a major factor for us winning CL two seasons ago, which I think will be considered.

to be honest though, I don't care who wins, as I don't consider this to be a valuable trophy.

kenny_shev
24-10-2004, 04:11
Henry was poor in the Euros but also when Arsenal needed him most in CL. I think this is where Sheva excels, as although he didn't participate in Euros, he was a major factor for us winning CL two seasons ago, which I think will be considered.

I hope the voters see what you see. They probably wont. Probably most of these so called experts would be French...And so we have a winner..we all know who.

sehnsucht79
24-10-2004, 05:38
Goirre, no doubt Maldini is great and he should be awarded, but that season Nedved really deserved it, he was exceptional, even more so than Paolo.

ACMILAN1983
24-10-2004, 08:34
I hope the voters see what you see. They probably wont. Probably most of these so called experts would be French...And so we have a winner..we all know who.

haha, well it will either be Henry or a Brazilian ;)

Goirre, no doubt Maldini is great and he should be awarded, but that season Nedved really deserved it, he was exceptional, even more so than Paolo.

True that Nedved was excellent that year and it would be unfair to say he didn't deserve it (unlike last year). However, I think Maldini did just as well as Nedved and in that year was definately the best defender in the world.

Goirre
24-10-2004, 12:56
Goirre, no doubt Maldini is great and he should be awarded, but that season Nedved really deserved it, he was exceptional, even more so than Paolo.
We could argue forever on who was better that year, so lets just say that they were both equally good....having said that, you know why Nedved won it?? easy, Maldini was a defender, Nedved scored goals....Nedved and his goals hit more paper covers than Maldini's brilliant performances....Nedved was more popular....so Nedved won.

Now, don't get me wrong, I feel Maldini deserved the award more than anybody else, but if there was someone who in my eyes deserved it almost as much as him, it was Nedved...he was pure class that year....me thinking this award is a popularity contest is not a result of only last year's award, but also those from past years.

I was pissed off when San Paolo didn't get the award he so much deserved, but it's ok, he is one of the best defenders in the world and the best captain a team can wish for....nothing will change that, he is a true legend and doesn't need an award to confirm that.

:proud: :star: !!!FORZA SAN PAOLO!!! :star: :proud:

sehnsucht79
25-10-2004, 01:33
That I agree with. The officials of Ballon d'Or and other stupid awards have already stated that defenders rarely get these awards, and why, simply because their contribution is not 'obvious', they don't score goals, they attack. The art of defense is highly underrated, people tend to forget it's just as important as offense.

But yes, who needs these awards anyway. Everyone knows what Paolo Maldini is, he doesn't need all these awards, but it's just sad that everytime any major award will end up either Beckham or Ronaldo in the top 3

Goirre
26-10-2004, 20:41
But yes, who needs these awards anyway. Everyone knows what Paolo Maldini is, he doesn't need all these awards, but it's just sad that everytime any major award will end up either Beckham or Ronaldo in the top 3
I know....looking back at the "UEFA 50 best players of the last 50 years" and seeing Beckham's name in the top 25 (ahead of such legends as Gianni Rivera, Roberto Baggio, Billy Costacurta and many more) was laughable...but then again I think we are all getting used to this, therefore you will hardly find many people who take these awards too seriously anymore.....still, it is a great incentive to the players, so I hope Sheva gets it.

Peachtot
28-10-2004, 12:12
My opinion is closer to sehnsucht's.
Nedved deserved it, although i hope award went to maldini.

mk18
28-10-2004, 13:15
1) vicente
2) shevchenko
3) deco
4) ronaldinho
5) maldini