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Milanista ID
24-10-2004, 16:57
Only 1 point...
Sounds like Milan had the better chances in the Second half, but given the opportunities Inter had early in the 1st half, I am not too depressed.
i'm not worried.....our play is getting better every game....we played well here...just didn;t score......were the better team on the field...juve lacks fire power....this will drop alot of points...we just have to continue with the positive results
i am confident, i think. but it does bother me that juventus just keeps collecting points even though everybody thinks that they lack fire power. damn capello....
We'll get 3 pts in the away game against 'em..
seems like our home record hasn't been impressive yet. :D
juve now r 5 points ahead. i am not too depressed over the tie but i wish ambo wud have scored that header. kaka wuz amazin but sheva wuz sort off diassappointin
it's ok we'll catch Juve soon they can't freaking win everygame we're the better team and we're still not 100% but we're getting there, we'll beat Juve anyways so let them think they're better who cares we know it's not true.....FORZA MILAN PER SEMPRE!
alright peeps I'm going out to eat have a nice day/afternoon/evening depending the time where y'all are at :D
We were clearly the better team, at least in the second half (which is the one I watched). Our defense was superb, Nesta and Maldini did a great job to contain Inter's attackers. Vieri and Martins went unnoticed, Adriano did very little. Our best chances were with Sheva's headers and Ambro's header too. Kaka kept causing them problems and was the reason for 3 yellow cards for Inter players. Rino was everywhere...as usual.
Our best players? Nesta, Maldini, Rino and Kaka. Their best player? Fontana
5 points behind Juve, but that could change on Wednesay as they play Roma while we play Atalanta. Besides, we will get 6 points when we play them ;)
Positive: Above all Nesta.
Negative: Cafu and Kaka are our only players who really attack and create from midfield.
Is Carlo married to Pirlo? Why not dropping him at least for ONE game and bring in Rui Costa.
ShevBasten
24-10-2004, 17:10
hey all, what does the Serie A table look like after tonights result?
hey all, what does the Serie A table look like after tonights result?
After 7 games:
Juventus 19
Lecce 14
AC Milan 14
Chievo 13
Perdenti 11
Messina 11
Cagliari 10
Palermo 10
Roma 9
Bologna 9
Sampdoria 9
Brescia 9
Lazio 8
Fiorentina 7
Reggina 7
Udinese 6
Parma 6
Livorno 5
Siena 5
Atalanta 4
not a bad result as the man utd and arsenal results show, i just hope sooner or later juve looses.
hitmannq8
24-10-2004, 17:15
Our performance in the 2nd half was disappointing. Up to the 30th minute Inter dominated possession although there was one good run by Kaka on the left that gave it to Crespo, which I think could have done something with it, if he acted faster. Then Milan start playing better a bit (but not that well) until injury time were the ball is being lost quickly by both the teams. This performance is just dreadful compared to the real Milan we saw last year. I hope we can do something against Atalanta. Positive thing is its the 3rd clean sheet in a row :), despite claims by Ancelotti saying defence was balanced, the first 10 minutes were terrible.
Our creativity in the 2nd half was gone as Seedorf out. We only depend on Kaka' to build the attack because Pirlo (IMO) was losing his touch...
IMO We should've played Pippo instead of Crespo because Pippo is better in destroying defenders' concentration.
anything could happen in a derby. juventus lost to torino twice in their scudetto year (94-95?), so i am actually contented with this result. although it could have been sweeter.
juventus does concern me a little, that old bastard. how could they keep winning, deservedly or not? i hope that we can surpass them in a month. forza milan, forza roma.
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juventus does concern me a little, that old bastard. how could they keep winning, deservedly or not? i hope that we can surpass them in a month. forza milan, forza roma.
Juve is a good team for such a competition like Serie A because they are always managed to get maximum points against small teams. even better because Serie A now has 20 teams which means there're more weaker teams down there..
I doubt they will get many points from strong teams like Milan, Inter, Roma or Lazio...
Juve is a good team for such a competition like Serie A because they are always managed to get maximum points against small teams. even better because Serie A now has 20 teams which means there're more weaker teams down there..
I doubt they will get many points from strong teams like Milan, Inter, Roma or Lazio...
have they played any?
have they played any?
no, but they play Roma next ;)
Angel_Cic
24-10-2004, 17:43
we had a lot of good chances to score...but what can ya do! :depress: next game is ours :firedev:
Dissapointing match..I had higher expectations for today. But Clearly..we were the better side
Positives
-Nesta..he proved that Adriano [and Ronaldinho] are 'unstoppable'..so ppl juss might wanna drop that s**t now.
-Maldini-I laughed my ass off when Adriano tried to go past him..Maldini juss took da ball went past Adriano an sum other Inter guy...Good ol Paolo.
-Dida..thank God for Dida
-Cafu..did a great job
-Fontana[Inter's goaly]-damn he was good.
-Seedorf..hes so skillful..well done.
-Gattuso working hard.
-Kaka..is amazing! But poor guy passes by all da defenders..and sum fuk always ends up foulin him.
-Pirlo..he looked ok
-Shevchenko..ok maybe he didn't score today..but he was still around.
-Stankovic did okay.
Negatives
-Pancaro..wdf Costa Curta shoulda played....Pancaro is only usefull for passes.
-Why didn't Stam play?
-Ambrosini..ok WHY duz he go in for Seedorf? He suked today.Rui shoulda went in.
-Gattuso fouling
-Crespo..and how many times did he touch da ball?
-JDT...why da fuk didn't Pippo go in instead of this luzer? :?
-Adriano...what was wrong wit him? I guess he's not used to a good defence.
-Stankovic bein a lil ***** by purposely tryin to trip Pancaro.
-Vieri..LMAO..ah no need to say anything. [actually that's a positive for Milan]
-Dissapointing score.
Better luck next time. :hopefull:
A very entertaining first half which was end to end and should've had more goals in it was it not for the poor finishing from both sides. It was electric with Inter get some superb chances in the first 10 mins all of which Vieri failed to convert.
Milan started with purpose and really did some passing except Pirlo who started the grenade launching show throughout the game. He had only one long ball throughout the game that was dangerous. And he lost possession through his long balls for about 15 passes at least. It was agonizingly frustrating to see all this possession lost by some over-ambitious passing. Pirlo plays well when he goes for the through balls or the small delicate 10 m chips but not these 30m+ grenades into the opposing defender's chest or goalkeeper's hands.
Shevchenko looked dangerous in the first half with some good moves that were started by Seedorf who looked pretty good & authoritative. Seedorf definitely improved his passing from the Barcelona game and was threading some nice passes.
Kaka was a very big improvement from what we have seen all season running at defenders and committing them to make mistakes. 4 Inter players got yellow cards in the same fashion to try and stop a blazing Kaka run. The worst offence was the one of Favalli who didn't have any intention whatsoever to go for the ball but go for that ludicrous body block. Cynical as it gets and dangerous. Bad bad block!
Stam wasn't present but Nesta was superb and a monster. A very good candidate for man of the match as he held the backline and led by example. Adriano was kept in check due to Nesta mostly but a player of Adriano's class will get a chance which he got in stoppage time of the first half and squandered. It was a sitter!
Milan continued to have some very good chances especially on the crosses and Sheva had a sitter of a header which he sent wide. His facial expression said it all. Ambrosini who is strong in the air also had a cross sent by Cafu smashed into the ground. It was a poor finish and Milan will feel like the team who lost out on 2 pts.
Crespo's movements were good but due to a lack of confidence lacked the finishing desired. Reduced offsides in the game. Inzaghi needs to fix that up because the offsides and grenade launching show are the two most frustrating things to see!
It was a deserving draw for both sides as both have been in good form recently. Milan deserved the draw. When the finishing is so bad then you only have yourselves to blame. Pirlo needs the bench now. He is too casual as he knows he will start every game and wasting 15 odd balls in tight games is unacceptable!
Milan could also do with a FK specialist. We get these FK in good positions but rarely do I feel that we will score from a FK or even set piece! In tight games a set piece/FK can break the deadlock and it is important to at least test the goalkeeper on them.
Inter's sequence of scoring in every game this season came to an end. Adriano didn't score and Milan's sequence of scoring in 23 consecutive games also came to a grinding halt.
It is a good result in that regard because we didn't lose and our goal scoring sequence was broken. So minimal damage. But the midfield needs tweaking for sure in that Pirlo position. We can't continue like this. Personally, I am not disappointed with the result but disappointed with the grenade launching.
Kaka, Nesta, Seedorf, Gattuso and Cafu had a very good game. Pancaro and Maldini did their job well. Sheva, Crespo and Ambrosini could've done more in the scoring. Pirlo was disappointing.
The result is fine and performance would've been fine had it been for the finishing. Losing possession cannot be continued and for that these ambitious balls have to be stopped. When our team is playinig badly it uses the long balls and when Pirlo is playing badly he launches way too many balls. Our team didn't play these long balls apart from a few which is fine but Pirlo is totally short on confidence. Our midfield controlled the game and all this with Pirlo's zero contribution. A half decent performance by him and we would've run riot tonight! And Inter's midfield was supposed to be superior to ours.
Our accurate long range shooting which had become a trademark last season has not been seen as yet. Time to bring that in as that was a weapon.
Let Rui start the next game for Pirlo and see how we perform. Nothing is lost now but we cannot lag behind too much.
Saying that this 0-0 result was not a boring game by any measure. In fact the Real-Valencia and Man U - Arsenal games were much more boring and they had goals!
I think juve r gonna beat roma next week and the thing that pisses me off iz that they r winnin 3-0 with no trzegol. i hope they lose soon. gilardino scored again todai, i think we shud try n get this guy by january n drop crespo. the defense did very well but wenever kaka has a good dai sheva is mediocer n vice versa
ACMILAN1983
24-10-2004, 19:53
Well, just got back from Wing Chun and must say after reading MANY post match reviews its a little disheartning to see we only drew.
Seems like Inter were quite good, but Milan were better tonight.
I'm very happy to see us playing with such solidity as well, as this is crucial to gaining success.
However, two things disappoint me. One is that Inter were apparently very dirty and should of had a couple of players sent off and second is that Pirlo was apparently quite disappointing. Hopefully, Pirlo will be finding his form over the season, but I'm not too worried as we do have people to take his place if need be.
Anyway, Juve may be the winners this weekend, but we have more than enough to get the results we need and tonight just reinforced my opinion of that.
Lets look toward Wednesday now and assure Juve don't get any further away.
FORZA MILAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is Carlo married to Pirlo? Why not dropping him at least for ONE game and bring in Rui Costa.
Cause he's our playmaker, the architect of this Milan side and hence our entire game plan is build up upon Pirlo.
Bayman, I wish you'd quit poisoning our forum with this inconsiderate rubbish that follows every game. I'd feel so foolish giving these kinds of lectures to proven professionals, pretending to know better. :wallbang:
Apart from that, I think it was a beautiful game; we were up against a very, very strong side and came out of it with relative success. We didn't lose, and, shoot me for saying so, the most important thing to me in this derby was to avoid defeat, considering the strength of the opposition :o sure, we had the chances to win it, but so did they.
I agree with Goirre who mentioned Maldini (he needed to show this kind of performance after a not so great couple of months, best game of the season so far from Il Capitano), Nesta, Kaka' and Gattuso among our best players.
Forza Milan:devil:
I watched the game ...
unbelievable how Vieri could have missed those 2 chances ... Then adriano had a good oppurtunity too .
Milan had good chances with ambro's and sheva's header . Ambrosini's header could have been wayyyy better btw ... sheva's misser was one outta 10 :)
Inter played kinda good IMO , but Milan dominated . Kaka had some great runs , but was fouled almost every time :mad:
The only thing I have real problems with was the fact that Ancelotti didn't let Rui Costa play ... It really makes me angry , cause be serious , rui is 10 times better then ambrosini ... esspecially on the midfield . I really believe that Rui Costa can still make the difference in a game , if not with a goal , it's with a wonderfull assist . FOrza RUI COSTA !!!!!
Ah yes , I remember costacurta's performance last year against Inter , I really tought he would play instead of Pancaro . :depress:
I dont know why but I really like Crespo :D You saw what he did when passing to sheva :D wonderfull !! :)
I want to type more , But i'm too tired .... :tired:
ok ,I'm off to bed !! wednesday against atalanta ... FORZA MILAN !!!
:firedev: :firedev: :firedev: :firedev:
How come we never play Rui Costa even when all our second strikers are in awful form? Why bring in even Ambrosini but not Rui? It doesn't make sense.
BaggioForever
24-10-2004, 22:30
Pretty even game in the end... altho our defence seems to be asleep in the 1st 10 min...milan controlled most of the possession in the 1st half...launching dangerous attacks tt threatens to score everytime. In fact, we are SO threatening, the commentator of the match even said "the only positive for inter to go into halftime is that they go into
halftime 0-0 " :ilol: Seedorf was magical with the ball @ his feet...getting past defenders in VERY tight situation..*n i thot he was going to give the ball away but...he gave me the glimmer of hope of a goal rush for milan :firedev: * Cafu also did very well in supplying the crosses we so effectivly converted against Barca..However like everyone said..our finishing let us down :depress: . And also, the referee had been inconsistent with his decision..poor stuff :finger:
In the 2nd half..mancini looks to have effectively psyched up his team. Inter managed to hold possession like wat their city-neighbour had done so effectively in the 1st half. We were soaking up the pressure like what we had done against Barca. *i dun like it* especially when we were giving away possesion far too easy for my liking. Ambrosini had been giving away freekicks in dangerous areas. Totally disappointed with his performance. Simply reckless! Pirlo has been poor in holding the ball..but he has made some effective tackles to break down inter's attack :pp20: ..just like what our future captain did. Rino was everywhere..covered Cafu well when his com-patriot Adriano managed to skip pass him. Work rate of the highest order man! :clap:
Overall the result is justified. Both have chances...like what laudrup said...both of the team should b content with the draw. I am happy with the performance.... Lets hope Roma can do us a favour while we will convert our chances against another 'blue n black' :D
Forza Rino!!!
Forza Milan!!!
triniman
24-10-2004, 22:41
Bayman, I wish you'd quit poisoning our forum with this inconsiderate rubbish that follows every game. I'd feel so foolish giving these kinds of lectures to proven professionals, pretending to know better
oh how i so totally agree...
but at the end of the day...we are an open forum...and everyone has to have their say....even bayman..(unfortunately)
I think that we were the best team, but our defence made some huge and dangerous mistakes in the beggining of the game. After all, our defence came back to usual, what means, superb.
The MOM was Gattuso. He fought in every part, in all the minutes. Very good.
Milan didnīt show the best performance that made us Champions in the last year. Our players arenīt showing the best football. Seedorf, Pirlo, Cafu, Kaká ... I agree that they are getting better with the time, but if this time takes too long ... can be late ... I hope not.
Anyway, derby is always a difficult game and Milan did well.
FORZA MILAN !!!
I fell realy disappointed about this game I can't even belive it (0-0)
and when I knew the result I fell sad and I had big chest pain
any way lets hope Roma to draw or win with juve so we can be
close to juve in first place
:broken: :broken:
sehnsucht79
25-10-2004, 01:36
Fact of the day: Four Inter players yellow carded for fouling Kaka. :D
Two very tough matches in 5 days against two teams scoring frantically and 0 goals conceded (only 1 scored..., but would it have been better 0-0 against Barca and 1-0 yesterday??)
Despite the turn-over policy, its difficult to play such 180 minutes at constant high level.
I read here that Inter's best player was Fontana. I think it was... Fortuna. Remember only Ambro's final header to which Fontana was a very patient spectator.
Why doesn't Rui Costa play? Because in a match against Inter, Kaka manages that four oponents are yellow carded, because he is able to dribble a whole team, because he supplies (quasi)goal assists, because, because.
Juve, autumn collection 2004, is weaker than its results. I hope its coming true matches will prove that.
Poor Inter! Not this season either...
FORZA MILAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
oh how i so totally agree...
but at the end of the day...we are an open forum...and everyone has to have their say....even bayman..(unfortunately)
""""You = Bayman"""
But now I'm just wondering if this rule, "Attack the post, not the poster" has been abused.
It is aboslutely right that people have free opinion, but excessively saying something without a strong proof (and please, your proof is a proof only in the beginning few matches and now, where is your proof?) is very irritating.
Showing your displeasure to a player is fine, but showing your displeasure without respect to the players are atrocious.
I have aboslutely respect of what you say, since what you say MAY be true too, but your subjectivity in this matter simply destroys your argument.
We appreciate very much of your cricticism, but please, don't put TOO many emotion in it. We can all make a fuss about inzaghi why he keeps getting offside, yet here no one complains. On what ground you think that Pirlo is 'useless' in the team? All because he throws 'granade' and is it true that ALL of them never work? Is it also possible that some of them work but that does not result in goals?
Is always easy to look for evidences to critcize the player, but the risk is that we have forgotten the other side of the coins.
And just for discliamer: 'm not attacking Bayman, but I'm attacking his postS.
Jeff
Grande-Milan-DK
25-10-2004, 04:43
The matched lacked a goal - than It would have been far more entertaining especially in the 2nd half.
Milan main problem is still that we only can rely on Shevchenko as scorer - we have played 6 serie A games!! - and only Shevchenko has scored as striker ... Crespo, Inzaghi and Tomasson without a goal ... a problem, which also is one of the reason why we did not win the derby.
For me Inter still are not a title contender ... their attack depends only on Adriano ... and the defense is not a scudetto worthy . it`s still up to Milan and Juve
Giovanni
25-10-2004, 07:13
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just look what a marvellous coreography!
it has been such an amazing day, not only the game, but all the day in milan, we've taken a storm to piazza del duomo with some fellows rossoneri of bari singing songs in the afternoon! I will post a report later on this day
Milan started with purpose and really did some passing except Pirlo who started the grenade launching show throughout the game. He had only one long ball throughout the game that was dangerous. And he lost possession through his long balls for about 15 passes at least. It was agonizingly frustrating to see all this possession lost by some over-ambitious passing. Pirlo plays well when he goes for the through balls or the small delicate 10 m chips but not these 30m+ grenades into the opposing defender's chest or goalkeeper's hands.
Losing possession cannot be continued and for that these ambitious balls have to be stopped. When our team is playinig badly it uses the long balls and when Pirlo is playing badly he launches way too many balls. Our team didn't play these long balls apart from a few which is fine but Pirlo is totally short on confidence. Our midfield controlled the game and all this with Pirlo's zero contribution. A half decent performance by him and we would've run riot tonight! And Inter's midfield was supposed to be superior to ours.
I see you joined the hater club. It is funny,even tough I saw only one half I did not see these bombs you talked about. Nesta hit a couple of long balls in the second half but the ones from Pirlo was nowhere to be seen. He was on the other hand close to getting "second-assists" on several occasions when he started up attacks. He showed some great dribbles in midfield too. if anyone Seedorf and Ambrosini showed little or next to nothign in the second half.
Bayman, you should be fair. Critisize players that play bad and applaud players that play good. why not critisize Stankovic when he is next to worthless like in this match? you have after all said that he is the world best midfielder. Baraja? He have been quite bad in several games in a row now. I critisize or applaud Pirlo for what I see in game to game, just like I did about his horror passes early in the Barcelona game or his worthless games in the olympics. fair should be fair.
Bayman, you should be fair. Critisize players that play bad and applaud players that play good. why not critisize Stankovic when he is next to worthless like in this match? you have after all said that he is the world best midfielder. Baraja? He have been quite bad in several games in a row now. I critisize or applaud Pirlo for what I see in game to game, just like I did about his horror passes early in the Barcelona game or his worthless games in the olympics. fair should be fair.
What about Maniche(another favourite of Bayman). Porto are last in their group with 1 point after 3 games. How can that be with Maniche in the team(Bayman seems to credit wins to the midfield and blame losses on the midfield as well).
Roma are bad, because they have a bad midfield. Real Madrid have a bad midfield as well, but beat Roma because their midfield is sligtly better. Valencia has a world class midfield, but still lost to RM(according his logic this shouldn't be possible). Valencia lost to Inter as well, but that's because Inter's midfield is world class as well and the best in Italy, even though their midfield and especially another Bayman favourite, Stankovic, were invisible against our poor midfield yesterday.
It's all about the midfield even if facts say otherwise. It's the trend of the season for him.
Giovanni
25-10-2004, 08:10
What about Maniche(another favourite of Bayman). Porto are last in their group with 1 point after 3 games. How can that be with Maniche in the team(Bayman seems to credit wins to the midfield and blame losses on the midfield as well).
Roma are bad, because they have a bad midfield. Real Madrid have a bad midfield as well, but beat Roma because their midfield is sligtly better. Valencia has a world class midfield, but still lost to RM(according his logic this shouldn't be possible). Valencia lost to Inter as well, but that's because Inter's midfield is world class as well and the best in Italy, even though their midfield and especially another Bayman favourite, Stankovic, were invisible against our poor midfield yesterday.
It's all about the midfield even if facts say otherwise. It's the trend of the season for him.
If wives betray husbands is it because they have a poor midfield as well? :ilol: :guw:
I see you joined the hater club. It is funny,even tough I saw only one half I did not see these bombs you talked about. Nesta hit a couple of long balls in the second half but the ones from Pirlo was nowhere to be seen. He was on the other hand close to getting "second-assists" on several occasions when he started up attacks. He showed some great dribbles in midfield too. if anyone Seedorf and Ambrosini showed little or next to nothign in the second half.
Kris,
I always do try to be fair and Pirlo didn't have a nice match at all. If you don't believe that then have a go through the views of the Inter forum and you will come to know that they too agree that Pirlo was the least threatening midfield man on the pitch.
Pirlo had at least 15 launched balls all of which resulted in lost possession which is not good enough at this level. He had only one great dribble in the midfield. In the second half he sent in one through pass on the ground and one effective long ball in the match.
Seedorf had a pretty good game. He didn't do much in the second half but his first half performance was really good. Ambro did nothing in the match except miss a sitter in the air.
When Pirlo lacks in confidence then he launches these balls forward otherwise it is small chips not field length grenade launches. We could've easily ran riot if Pirlo had a half decent game and not lost possession on numerous occasions.
If he plays well the next game I will praise him but he deserves criticism for his performance because it sucked! He should be benched for Rui now because he is far too casual knowing that he is an automatic starter.
I am not disappointed with the result at all. I am disappointed in Pirlo and Ambro's performances which left a lot to be desired.
A dissapointing result considering our recent record against them but in my opinion it is a fair result . Both teams had their chances and the match was so even . Nesta played a magnificent match and showed whi he is considered the world's best central defender . He tightly marked Adriano and didn't allow him much spaces . Maldini had also a solid match . Kaka was excellent and tried hard a lot running at defenders and trying to find the target . The big flop in my opinion was Crespo and starting with him was a mistake . He is struggling with form and didn't shine a lot since he joined us . Starting with Tomasson as Sheva's partner would have been much better . Crespo wasted our best chance of the match after he failed to react quickly to Kaka's pass from the left while he had a good opportunity to beat Fontana . What caused our less sharpness upfront was the not so good level Seedorf . He played an average match in my opinion and didn't support the attack with his usual penetrations and shots from distance . Inter improved a lot under Mancini and it is not easy to beat them like we usually did in recent years . Anyway we are only 5-points behind Juve having played two of the big matches and we can recover . The most important thing is not to drop points against small sides and we need like last year to win most of our big matches .
If wives betray husbands is it because they have a poor midfield as well? :ilol: :guw:
Yes, the midfield is not hard working enough
Stankovic had ONE bad game, but overall he has been Inter's best player apart from Adriano sionce joining them January 2004. Scored truckloads fo goals and assisted many (like vs. valencia).
Baraja is in a bad form right now, agreed. But that way he might come very cheap. And add to that the Ranieri factor. Once this donkey is gone, he and the rest of the Valencia team will play much better again.
And Maniche is not Porto, it was Deco, Mourinho, Carvalho and Maniche. Three of them are gone. And a defensive midfielder can't change a team on his own. Porto isn't playing bad (vs. Chelsea as an example) they just can't score (striker OM problem) and their central defense is a lot weaker (for obvious reasons). Just look at Roma, despite Cassano, Totti and the all-hyped CM stars Ferrari, Mexes are doing complete sh!t in CL, becasue Samuel, Emerson and Capello left (like Porto). Mancihe himself is still a very good player.
Giovanni
25-10-2004, 08:16
Yes, the midfield is not hard working enough
:howler:
:sexe:
Kris,
I always do try to be fair and Pirlo didn't have a nice match at all. If you don't believe that then have a go through the views of the Inter forum and you will come to know that they too agree that Pirlo was the least threatening midfield man on the pitch.
Pirlo has at least 15 launched balls all of which resutled in lost possession which is not good enough at this level. He had only one great dribble in the midfield. In the second half he sent in one through pass on the ground and one effective long ball in the match.
When Pirlo lacks in confidence then he launches these balls forward otherwise it is small chips not field length grenade launches. We could've easily ran riot if Pirlo had a half decent game and not lost possession on numerous occasions.
If he plays well the next game I will praise him but he deserves criticism for his performance because it sucked!
I am not disappointed with the result at all. I am disappointed in Pirlo and Ambro's performances which left a lot to be desired.
but I saw the second half as I mentioned and your assesment is far off when it comes to that half. and your "one dribble" comment is off, i can off my head remember three instances when he did great dribbles/turns to get into better positions. The long balls in the second half was mainly from the feet of Nesta. I do agree that Pirlo sometimes can launch all to many of those long balls, but if he did in this game that must have been mainly in the first half.
Stankovic had ONE bad game, but overall he has been Inter's best player apart from Adriano sionce joining them January 2004. Scored truckloads fo goals and assisted many (like vs. valencia).
Baraja is in a bad form right now, agreed. But that way he might come very cheap. And add to that the Ranieri factor. Once this donkey is gone, he and the rest of the Valencia team will play much better again.
And Maniche is not Porto, it was Deco, Mourinho, Carvalho and Maniche. Three of them are gone.
Fair enough. I wouldn't blame Maniche myself, especially since I only seen him once this year. I find it strange tough that the relatively slow Maniche and Baraja are supposedly the ones we need. Our midfields real weakness is the lack of pace baring Gattuso. Ambro/Seedorf/Pirlo are all relative slow. Vicente sounds like a much better option or Gerrard which is a awesome player. Now that Serginho is less used and have lost a bit of pace we lost one of our best offensive weapons, we need someone new like that (altough Cafu can be said to have replaced him on the other side...).
Vicente would be great too, if we move Gattuso to central midfield.
And you don't have to be overly pacey, it is enough to just run with the ball, play in to kaka/Sheva(low, easy ball no huge passig skills required) move further upfront, make yourself available to receive the ball and combine with the other teammates till someone is in a situation to shoot on goal.
Just PLAY football as a team.
but I saw the second half as I mentioned and your assesment is far off when it comes to that half. and your "one dribble" comment is off, i can off my head remember three instances when he did great dribbles/turns to get into better positions. The long balls in the second half was mainly from the feet of Nesta. I do agree that Pirlo sometimes can launch all to many of those long balls, but if he did in this game that must have been mainly in the first half.
i saw the full match too ... and to tell you the truth , Pirlo didnt played as good as he normal does ,wich is ok by me , cause I believe every player can have a day off. But I truly believe Rui Costa could make something out of it , and even if he didnt , I know Ancelotti at least tried it . I still prefer the rotation method , cause players like serginho , Rui costa , kaladze , costacurta dont get to play as much a they deserve . About Pirlo , i dont remember who said it here , but I agree on the fact that he's used to play as a starter ... So If I was the coach , I would bench him and let Rui play on wednesday ... Just to let him know you still have to fight to be one of the starting 11 . It really brakes my heart to see a player like Rui Costa on the bench , I feel so sorry for him ... it's a real shame :(
i saw the full match too ... and to tell you the truth , Pirlo didnt played as good as he normal does ,wich is ok by me , cause I believe every player can have a day off. But I truly believe Rui Costa could make something out of it , and even if he didnt , I know Ancelotti at least tried it . I still prefer the rotation method , cause players like serginho , Rui costa , kaladze , costacurta dont get to play as much a they deserve . About Pirlo , i dont remember who said it here , but I agree on the fact that he's used to play as a starter ... So If I was the coach , I would bench him and let Rui play on wednesday ... Just to let him know you still have to fight to be one of the starting 11 . It really brakes my heart to see a player like Rui Costa on the bench , I feel so sorry for him ... it's a real shame :(
If it's only shame that Rui is benched, then there is nothing to get shame about.
Otherwise, who would have thought that Kaka` would kick RUi out of startin XI last year?
I think yesterday's draw is due to our poor finishing. I don't see why people need to bash Pirlo and at the same time don't bash Crespo, if he is in ANYWAY better. I"m not saying Crespo is crap, but he doesn't do a lot yesterday too.
If it's only shame that Rui is benched, then there is nothing to get shame about.
Otherwise, who would have thought that Kaka` would kick RUi out of startin XI last year?
I think yesterday's draw is due to our poor finishing. I don't see why people need to bash Pirlo and at the same time don't bash Crespo, if he is in ANYWAY better. I"m not saying Crespo is crap, but he doesn't do a lot yesterday too.
Rui and kaka play perfectly together ... Don't know why Rui should have been kicked out of the starting 11 .
Rui and kaka play perfectly together ... Don't know why Rui should have been kicked out of the starting 11 .
Maybe.. just maybe...
Ancelotti played them only against the smaller side, and they always do well, but the coach also knows that if they play together against stronger team, it'll leave out more space for opponent etc etc etc...
Get what I mean?
They can get well in one game but not others...
Maybe.. just maybe...
Ancelotti played them only against the smaller side, and they always do well, but the coach also knows that if they play together against stronger team, it'll leave out more space for opponent etc etc etc...
Get what I mean?
They can get well in one game but not others...
well ... you don't know if you don't try it :)
GAZZETTA DELLO SPORT: MILAN-INTER RATINGS: Dida 6; Cafu 6.5, Nesta 6.5, Maldini 6, Pancaro 6; Gattuso 6.5, Pirlo 6, Seedorf 5, (Ambrosini 6.5); Kaka 7; Shevchenko 5.5, Crespo 5. Coach Ancelotti: 6.
CORRIERE DELLO SPORT: MILAN-INTER RATINGS: Dida 7; Cafu 7, Nesta 6.5, Maldini 6.5, Pancaro 6; Gattuso 7, Pirlo 6.5, Seedorf 6, (Ambrosini 5.5); Kaka 7; Shevchenko 6, Crespo 5.5. Coach Ancelotti: 6.5.
TUTTOSPORT: MILAN-INTER RATINGS: Dida 6; Cafu 6.5, Nesta 7, Maldini 6.5, Pancaro 6; Gattuso 6, Pirlo 6, Seedorf 6, (Ambrosini 5.5); Kaka 7; Shevchenko 5.5, Crespo 5.5 (Tomasson n.r.). Coach Ancelotti: 6.5.
IL GIORNALE: MILAN-INTER RATINGS: Dida 6; Cafu 6, Nesta 5.5, Maldini 6, Pancaro 5.5; Gattuso 6, Pirlo 6, Seedorf 5, (Ambrosini 5.5); Kaka 7.5; Shevchenko 6, Crespo 5.5 (Tomasson n.r.). Coach Ancelotti: 6.
LA REPUBBLICA: MILAN-INTER RATINGS: Dida 6; Cafu 6.5, Nesta 6, Maldini 7, Pancaro 6; Gattuso 7.5, Pirlo 6, Seedorf 5.5, (Ambrosini 6); Kaka 7; Shevchenko 5, Crespo 5.5 (Tomasson n.r.). Coach Ancelotti: 6.5.
But well, if Bayman and some guys from the Inter forum say he was disastrous ....
90% of Milan's building-up of attacking play goes through Pirlo, we're a team that does not take too many chances, when we're up against quality opposition we give more priority to defence and rely on counter attacks - have faith in a few, spectacular players to make the difference offensively and keep the majority of men behind the ball; Pirlo as we know possesses the playmaking qualities and is given absolute freedom to construct, often he'll make attempts through long balls and crosses, therefore it's only logical you'll see a large percentage leading to nowhere, not only last night. It's how our vigilant, conservative coach prefers to play certain games so better get used to it. If there's something Carletto does not accept it's to see his side getting caught on a counter, better an ambitious, long cross from Pirlo or Nesta that involves no risk defensively.
Sorry I don't give a rats ass about these ratings. Mostly written by guys who know sh!t on football.
Il Giornale Nesta 5.5, wtf? Tuttosport give him 7, rightly so. (the difference in ratings make these kinds of player judgement ridiculous anyway)
I prefer to judge things by myself, what I saw through my own eyes.
I think yesterday's draw is due to our poor finishing. I don't see why people need to bash Pirlo and at the same time don't bash Crespo, if he is in ANYWAY better. I"m not saying Crespo is crap, but he doesn't do a lot yesterday too.
I thought Crespo played OK game, on the same level as Shevchenko and Tomasson.
These unlucky guys simply don't get any support from midfield. Alone vs. 4 defenders and 3 midfielders isn't an easy task. The only players who are really helping to create scoring chances are Cafu (wonder where all the guys have gone who called him an old fart when he joined us and instead called for *cough* Totti *cough*, vanderVaart, Ferrari and Mexes to join Milan) and Kaka.
I prefer to judge things by myself, what I saw through my own eyes.
I'd never figured :D
Obviously most of us feel the same way, sometimes the ratings correspond with your own opinion, sometimes they don't. Most often I find Gazzetta's ratings to be in accordance with my opinion, more or less, and I have observed that the above listed are no exception: as I stated last night: Kaka', Maldini, Nesta and Gattuso our most prominent players and as for Pirlo, I think most papers got it right: 6 for a solid, not great performance.
Mostly written by guys who know sh!t on football.
Hehe, quite laughable coming from you, Bayman :)
Grande-Milan-DK
25-10-2004, 14:06
As Laudrup posted Pirlo was one of the beTTER players if you look in the papers .. also if you ask me .. he covered the ball well and had some very good situations .. and few bad passes .. but only few.
Every player did well .. only Sheva seemed to have an off-day
CuoreRossoNero
25-10-2004, 15:05
Milan played a good game, definitely better then Inter. We made a few careless mistakes in the beginning but other than that inter didn't really get any chances. The only thing missing on our end was finishing.
As for the Rui Costa debate. My take on this is that Milan can't play with Rui and Seedorf together they tend to slow down the game too much and allow the other team to set up. They are both extremely talented players but if you notice a lot of our chances come from Kaka or cafu attackin their defenders and making things happen. Rui and Seedorf like to hold on to the ball and slow the game down it is great for possession but it doesn't translate to additional scoring chances. I like both of them but I think Milan's attack develops too slow when they are both on the field together.
well ... you don't know if you don't try it :)
But he may have already tried it in training... ;)
Accept it Laundrup and triniman:
Someone here is born to complain in nature :), without the capacity of appreciating what other people do.
GAZZETTA DELLO SPORT: MILAN-INTER RATINGS: Dida 6; Cafu 6.5, Nesta 6.5, Maldini 6, Pancaro 6; Gattuso 6.5, Pirlo 6, Seedorf 5, (Ambrosini 6.5); Kaka 7; Shevchenko 5.5, Crespo 5. Coach Ancelotti: 6.
CORRIERE DELLO SPORT: MILAN-INTER RATINGS: Dida 7; Cafu 7, Nesta 6.5, Maldini 6.5, Pancaro 6; Gattuso 7, Pirlo 6.5, Seedorf 6, (Ambrosini 5.5); Kaka 7; Shevchenko 6, Crespo 5.5. Coach Ancelotti: 6.5.
TUTTOSPORT: MILAN-INTER RATINGS: Dida 6; Cafu 6.5, Nesta 7, Maldini 6.5, Pancaro 6; Gattuso 6, Pirlo 6, Seedorf 6, (Ambrosini 5.5); Kaka 7; Shevchenko 5.5, Crespo 5.5 (Tomasson n.r.). Coach Ancelotti: 6.5.
IL GIORNALE: MILAN-INTER RATINGS: Dida 6; Cafu 6, Nesta 5.5, Maldini 6, Pancaro 5.5; Gattuso 6, Pirlo 6, Seedorf 5, (Ambrosini 5.5); Kaka 7.5; Shevchenko 6, Crespo 5.5 (Tomasson n.r.). Coach Ancelotti: 6.
LA REPUBBLICA: MILAN-INTER RATINGS: Dida 6; Cafu 6.5, Nesta 6, Maldini 7, Pancaro 6; Gattuso 7.5, Pirlo 6, Seedorf 5.5, (Ambrosini 6); Kaka 7; Shevchenko 5, Crespo 5.5 (Tomasson n.r.). Coach Ancelotti: 6.5.
But well, if Bayman and some guys from the Inter forum say he was disastrous ....
90% of Milan's building-up of attacking play goes through Pirlo, we're a team that does not take too many chances, when we're up against quality opposition we give more priority to defence and rely on counter attacks - have faith in a few, spectacular players to make the difference offensively and keep the majority of men behind the ball; Pirlo as we know possesses the playmaking qualities and is given absolute freedom to construct, often he'll make attempts through long balls and crosses, therefore it's only logical you'll see a large percentage leading to nowhere, not only last night. It's how our vigilant, conservative coach prefers to play certain games so better get used to it. If there's something Carletto does not accept it's to see his side getting caught on a counter, better an ambitious, long cross from Pirlo or Nesta that involves no risk defensively.
Tyge,
Look at the ratings given to Ambro by Gazzetta and compare it to Nesta, Maldini, Gattuso, Cafu. I think Gazzetta is way off in this rating. It is ridiculous to give Pirlo and Ambro so many points. How Ambro gets 6.5 is beyond me and how Pirlo gets 6 is questionable when you compare it to our best players in last night's game i.e Kaka, Nesta, Gattuso, Cafu and Maldini. :rollani:
AC_Merda
25-10-2004, 15:45
It was a fair result, neither team really dominated. Both teams had good chances, for Inter it was mostly 1st half while you guys had the majority of chances in the 2nd.
Though I must say, Mancio sticks to Vieri like a wet blanket. Bobo was good for the first 10 minutes of the game, then became a ghost. Martins should have been substituted at the beginning of the 2nd, not 10 fackin minutes before FT! :stuckup:
Props to Kaka (easily your best player, well maybe Nesta too), guy made a mockery of our defense after his lack-lustre performance against Barca.
See you for Round 2 when we're the "home" team. :fero:
But he may have already tried it in training... ;)
ok , how about this ... You don't know it if you don't try it during big games :)
I agree on the fact that he's used to play as a starter ...
I totally disagree.
If Pirlo was lazy on the field, refusing to run, I'd have to agree with this. BUT the FACT is he was fighting so hard against Inter and Barca. Did you see his battle with Adriano? I'd say I felt proud of him at that moment. Grit and flair, he has both.
I do agree that he had some bad passes and should have been more careful. He is not at his best yet, for sure, because we all know how good he could be. But no way you can claim that he plays bad because he considers himself a sure starter.
I'm also wondering if I watched the same game as Haroon's. :v46:
Yes, Pirlo sometimes launches too many long balls when he is off-form or when the other midfielders are too static, but definitely not in this game. He had some long balls, but not that much.
Is it possible that it's just your subjective impression? When you saw a long ball, "ouch! It's Pirlo again!"; when you saw a tackle, "Great! it's Rino"; when you saw a dribble, "Nice! it's Kaka"....
At least I myself did make such mistake before...
I totally disagree.
If Pirlo was lazy on the field, refusing to run, I'd have to agree with this. BUT the FACT is he was fighting so hard against Inter and Barca. Did you see his battle with Adriano? I'd say I felt proud of him at that moment. Grit and flair, he has both.
I do agree that he had some bad passes and should have been more careful. He is not at his best yet, for sure, because we all know how good he could be. But no way you can claim that he plays bad because he considers himself a sure starter.
I'm also wondering if I watched the same game as Haroon's. :v46:
Yes, Pirlo sometimes launches too many long balls when he is off-form or when the other midfielders are too static, but definitely not in this game. He had some long balls, but not that much.
Is it possible that it's just your subjective impression? When you saw a long ball, "ouch! It's Pirlo again!"; when you saw a tackle, "Great! it's Rino"; when you saw a dribble, "Nice! it's Kaka"....
At least I myself did make such mistake before...
Isn't it just great to have different oppinions ?? :D
and btw , i didnt say he was lazy on the field ... I just tought he wasnt 100% . and i think benching pirlo once and let Rui costa play isnt gonna be a disaster .
Isn't it just great to have different oppinions ?? :D
I'd love to read different opinions, but definitely not illogical ones :D
I'd love to read different opinions, but definitely not illogical ones :D
hey , that wasnt illogical :D
Tyge,
Look at the ratings given to Ambro by Gazzetta and compare it to Nesta, Maldini, Gattuso, Cafu. I think Gazzetta is way off in this rating. It is ridiculous to give Pirlo and Ambro so many points. How Ambro gets 6.5 is beyond me and how Pirlo gets 6 is questionable when you compare it to our best players in last night's game i.e Kaka, Nesta, Gattuso, Cafu and Maldini. :rollani:
It was a brilliant move by Carlo to introduce Ambro - we managed to turn things around about 20 minutes from time, not least due to Ambro coming in to add some well-needed physical strength to the midfield (he won EVERYTHING in the air). Go watch the match again, bro, and you'll see what I mean. :)
That said, although I understand the basis of such high rating, I think Ambro like Pirlo deserved the rating 6, Max did miss a sitter after all.
Let me throw in my peace of mind here... Pirlo didn't play that badly yesterday... I personally think Seedorf was worse than Pirlo. Pirlo was alright but not great for sure, but he was helping out the D and trying to create something for offense. Seedorf was dragging and dribbling a lot without doing too much... if Seedorf and Rui plays together... it would be a really really slow game for Milan. I would like to see 2x Kaka.. rather than 2x Seedorf as a matter of fact. Crespo was still not in full form, wish he could speed up his recovery. Before the game started, I even thought Serginho would play along with Sheva given his history against INter... :D Anyway, one thing i want to b!tch about is that our squad is playing too fancy on field at times... especially at own back field... in the Barca game and the Inter game... they almost gave up goals to opponents by taking risk and making mistake. Oh... another reason we didn't win the game.. Fontana - he did really good yesterday to keep inter away from losing...
ACMILAN1983
25-10-2004, 17:48
I totally disagree.
If Pirlo was lazy on the field, refusing to run, I'd have to agree with this. BUT the FACT is he was fighting so hard against Inter and Barca. Did you see his battle with Adriano? I'd say I felt proud of him at that moment. Grit and flair, he has both.
I do agree that he had some bad passes and should have been more careful. He is not at his best yet, for sure, because we all know how good he could be. But no way you can claim that he plays bad because he considers himself a sure starter.
I definately agree with this when I consider Pirlo's performances in recent matches.
I haven't seen him being lazy and arrogant about his work, but I see a player is isn't playing his best. Ancelotti has stated Pirlo has had some mental problems since playing for Italy and I believe his confidence at the moment is quite low, as he couldn't provide Italy what he may have hoped during the summer.
Personally, I think we need to give him some time at the moment. From what I see, his performances are slowly picking up, even if they aren't to his own or Milan standards yet.
I think it may be similar for Maldini in LB, although in Maldini's case it isn't a mental problem. Maldini needs time to adjust back to LB and his positioning is always improving, so we must be patient. He's also the leader of the defence and its very hard to lead it from out wide. He struggled to lead it in the past from this position, but I think the difference from back then is the quality of the players around him, as the current lot are far better technically and particularly tactically.
What I'm trying to say is that this year a few changes have been made to the side here and there, whilst some players are struggling with form. However, these players will pick up their performances and the side will become tactically more astute over time when they get used to the changes. We are seeing this in every match we play, as some players are beginning to perform better and tactically the team gets better (particularly shown by the improved defensive performances of late). What we need to do as fans is be patient as its still VERY early in the season and we shouldn't expect to be at peak performance until nearing the end of the season when the big games that make or break the season come in. At this point I expect us to do whats necessary to keep up with the pace set by the leaders and not continue losing ground (preferably making it up).
ok , how about this ... You don't know it if you don't try it during big games :)
We shall have a good time making these one-sentene argument
Howa bout this: If I try it during big games and we lost 3-1, am I going to get sacked?
It's a lottery. You attack like crazy and there are two outcome:
1) You win like crazy
2) You lose like crazy
now if I play safe, I'll get this results:
1) I win small, but I win
2) I draw but I don't lose.
_________
in any case, I think they have played bfeore together so that's a very flexible formation. I guess people here are more interesting in the role of Pirlo than what w eare talking about :)
What we need to do as fans is be patient as its still VERY early in the season and we shouldn't expect to be at peak performance until nearing the end of the season when the big games that make or break the season come in. At this point I expect us to do whats necessary to keep up with the pace set by the leaders and not continue losing ground (preferably making it up).
Well... there are people here who are ABSOLUTELY not patient with the team's performance and it's quick to pinpoint the arrow at some of our players. He may even has his own analysis that I see it only falls apart when the otherday the very person he is pinpointing scores at the 1-0 game with some nice dribbling and long shot.
Peace... MM always has these people around.... either they come and say, "Sub. Seedorf is crazy (with the sub person actually has the best chance of scoring in the game)" or "F*** you Ambrosini" and when we win, either they say "I'm so happy forza Milan" or simply vanishes.
And appear again to make a fuss of not-a-big-deal and blaming individual player.
Some fans are just like these. They probably don't have enough INSIDE them to take everything into account.
Well... there are people here who are ABSOLUTELY not patient with the team's performance and it's quick to pinpoint the arrow at some of our players.
.... I wonder how Interisti dealing with this... :confused:
hmm.... maybe they already lost their brain. :D
I can't believe the game finished goalless!!! Sooo many chances, could have gone either way, unfortunately for us Rossoneri, we only took a point. I must admit I was impressed to see Inter going out attacking, and with Materazzi in central defence, how did we not score? I made a comment on the pre-game thread and thought the hype might affect Adrinao's performance and I think I was right, he is capable of doing better but Nesta was immense!!! Paolo also showed us he wasn't quite finished yet!!! Great game anyway, deserved goals!
Now for the Pirlo debate, I thought he did OK, not vintage Pirlo, but certainly not lazy, worked hard! When he returns to top form, Im sure the goals will begin to flow, as there are few players who launch the chip passes like he does.
I really do believe we still had a lot of problems though. As someone stated, Tomasson and Crespo yet to get off the mark whilst Pippo has chipped in with just one, certainly struggling to get a partner for Sheva, we can't rely on him to provide all season. I must say I thought Crespo played OK(his flick-cross was great!), if we get him fit and sharp I believe he could prove to be the answer to the second striker problem. In midfiled, we have no width, we need a new Serginho type player, especially on the left, maybe a left back also, I don't rate Kaladze, Serginho is getting old, Pancaro isn't the best crosser of the ball, big problems. A free kick specialist was also mentioned, I agree, we never take advantage of good positions, and we need rid of Ambro, Rui needs more playing time.
I wonder how Interisti dealing with this... :confused:
hmm.... maybe they already lost their brain. :D
You learn about Psychology? There are a thing called "Learned Helplessness Model"
Let me quote:
"One important variant of the bheavioral approach to depression is the learned helplessness model... In their controversial and disturbing experiment,s Seligman and his co-workers studied the conditioning of fear and escape learning in dogs. They placed a group of dogs in a cage from which they could not escape, and an electrical apparatus subjected them to electric shock. A warning light preceded each administration of shock. Next, experimenters placed the dogs in a chamber from which they could escape shock by jumping over a partition, if they did so at the signal of a warning light. Seligman had originally hypothesized that the dogs would immediatel jump over the partition to escape the painful consequences. To his surprise, rather than escape, the dogs lag down "helplessly" until the experimetner finally turned off the shock. In contrast, dogs that were never subjected to inescapble shock took the normal action of jumping across the partition, once they learned that this escape route was available."
So we can now safely conclude that Interisti do not have to deal with this, because they have learned it, helplessly :)
watching inter play makes me sick... howecome they got no red cards.. those were career ending injuries they made... poor kaka talk about feeling tired... and for all u doubters, theres kaka.. hes back!!!
oh and i thought a tackle from the back is an instant red... i could understand if the ref was liniant once or 2ice but he over did it.... the favalli elbow was the worst tackle out of the lot... im begining to think inter are trying to start a new wrestling squad Inter WC... they send canna to juve for carini and get mijhailovic and burdisso and favalli instead!!! besides that airhead materazzi and the cocaine selling cordoba!!!
Rui and kaka play perfectly together ... Don't know why Rui should have been kicked out of the starting 11 .
You can't tell since they hardly played together.
ACMILAN1983
25-10-2004, 20:33
Well... there are people here who are ABSOLUTELY not patient with the team's performance and it's quick to pinpoint the arrow at some of our players. He may even has his own analysis that I see it only falls apart when the otherday the very person he is pinpointing scores at the 1-0 game with some nice dribbling and long shot.
Peace... MM always has these people around.... either they come and say, "Sub. Seedorf is crazy (with the sub person actually has the best chance of scoring in the game)" or "F*** you Ambrosini" and when we win, either they say "I'm so happy forza Milan" or simply vanishes.
And appear again to make a fuss of not-a-big-deal and blaming individual player.
Some fans are just like these. They probably don't have enough INSIDE them to take everything into account.
I know how you feel and I feel the same at times. But there will be fans who dislike players one day and love them the next. Bayman has been complaining about the midfield for a couple of years now, but I remember the complaints stopped during the second half of last season, which is I guess the type of thing your referring to (nothing against you bayman, just giving an example).
All of us have days where a player will frustrate us with bad performances, but during those times we just have to look at the player and see whats going wrong. With Pirlo, its ridiculous to doubt his talent as he is brilliant at what he does and he has proven it more than enough times. He is going through a bad spell, but its no reason to lose faith. Lets remember Seedorf last year, who was atrocious in the first half of the season, but was brilliant in the second.
I've heard about bringing in a few midfielders with Maniche, Stankovic and Baraja mentioned. The only one who can play Pirlo's role there is Baraja, who I definately don't rate as high as Pirlo when both are playing well. As for the others, Maniche would take either Seedorf's or Rino's role. Now, personally, I think Rino adds bite to our side that would be lost with Maniche (who isn't as aggressive and doesn't play with as much heart and pride), while I don't think Seedorf is any worse than Maniche (actually, I would say Seedorf's better but more inconsistent). As for Stankovic, I can only picture him in Seedorf's role, but I don't see us getting him.
Anyway, hopefully at least some people here will be patient with the side, as I think they need it right now and beside, its not like our results are actually bad.
BaggioForever
25-10-2004, 23:39
Let me throw in my peace of mind here... Pirlo didn't play that badly yesterday... I personally think Seedorf was worse than Pirlo. Pirlo was alright but not great for sure, but he was helping out the D and trying to create something for offense. Seedorf was dragging and dribbling a lot without doing too much... if Seedorf and Rui plays together... it would be a really really slow game for Milan. I would like to see 2x Kaka.. rather than 2x Seedorf as a matter of fact. Crespo was still not in full form, wish he could speed up his recovery. Before the game started, I even thought Serginho would play along with Sheva given his history against INter... :D Anyway, one thing i want to b!tch about is that our squad is playing too fancy on field at times... especially at own back field... in the Barca game and the Inter game... they almost gave up goals to opponents by taking risk and making mistake. Oh... another reason we didn't win the game.. Fontana - he did really good yesterday to keep inter away from losing...
seedorf wasnt THAT bad com'on...he had some decent dribbles and quite instrumental in the 1st half in breaking away from inter's midfield..n if not for his injury in the 2nd half....we would had more option in attack rather than depending on cafu n kaka for the delivery... but i do agree we r playing too fancy against an offensive side n yea..ESPECIALLY in our own backyard!!..dangerous sia..i was sweating everytime they do that... :r7:
and according to someone..pirlo maybe complacent about his starting place as he under-performed in recent matches and needs to rotate him in order to feel the need to fight for his place...i feel thats b***sh*t...just becoz he ain performing well doesnt mean he isnt hardworking enough n am over-confident about his starting place. Take shev for example.. if he doesnt perform well...do we perceive that he is complacent with his starting position and needs to bench him in order for him to fight for his place?..i guess we dont..partly because he is so far our goal-machine (pirlo is our midfield architect) n secondly it will cause a major impact on the player's morale which is vital if they were to keep on performing up-to-standard. I am not saying we should let a player who under-performs all the time to keep on playing..but the fact is pirlo did not play too badly..altho his passes has let him down on serveral occasion...but his help in the defence more than make up for it...n Ancelotti will def agree (IMO :D ) n thus deserve the
starting-lineup....however if his passing is still not convincing..then maybe try bringing on Rui for a change could be good....but his under-performing is def not the result of being over-complacent....just like any other quality players in their bad days...he is still not on-form yet.....so like wat ACMILAN1983 had said, lets be patient...have faith in our players and they will not disappoint!!!~ i am sure!!~ :gonova:
Forza Milan~
BaggioForever
26-10-2004, 00:07
I've heard about bringing in a few midfielders with Maniche, Stankovic and Baraja mentioned. The only one who can play Pirlo's role there is Baraja, who I definately don't rate as high as Pirlo when both are playing well. As for the others, Maniche would take either Seedorf's or Rino's role. Now, personally, I think Rino adds bite to our side that would be lost with Maniche (who isn't as aggressive and doesn't play with as much heart and pride), while I don't think Seedorf is any worse than Maniche (actually, I would say Seedorf's better but more inconsistent). As for Stankovic, I can only picture him in Seedorf's role, but I don't see us getting him. .
our midfield is irreplaceable IMO......definitely not Rino and Pirlo...they r the heart of our midfield...without them...we lose the aggressiveness, the work-rate, the creativity and most importantly, the passion that so well define our team's play in recent years...so no need to bring in new players...not @ the moment at least.. so stick with them!~ :beer:
cocaine selling cordoba!!!
That was a very racist remark and I take offence to that as a latino, just b/c the man's colombian hes supposed to be selling drugs? How would you like it if told you to go blow up some cars or yourself in a bus full of innocent people?
sehnsucht79
26-10-2004, 03:31
must be honest I didn't read most of your posts, you milanistas get very analytical and emotional when it comes to the derby, no? :D
but I'd like to say one thing - why are people so heavily criticizing pirlo ? he might not have a good game against inter but the way some of you put it it's as if pirlo has been the worst player milan ever had, which obviously is not true. pirlo is of massive talent and he's proved that time and time again, and seeing his fans jump at once critizing him after one bad match is disgusting.
You can't tell since they hardly played together.
Well they did play together and thank god I watched it :)
Jeff , I really dont see milan losing with 3-0 or whatever when kaka and Rui playing together ... I said it once and I'm saying it again , I would love to see those 2 players play together :firedev:
didnt get a chance to post views until now. we have no reason to complain, milan played brillant in my opinion full of determination and creating lots of chances. both teams deserved to score but we should have got a couple. the only reason we didnt score is that Inter had a bit of luck. nesta and Kaka were both amazing and I think Crespo did okay too and I hope he starts the next game.. the highlight for me was when adrianno started to break free with a headstart on nesta and then nesta made a crunching challenge. gattuso comes in and robs the ball gives it don paolo who skips past two players a la Kaka and passes a long ball a la Pirlo picking out sheva who almosts scores.
ACMILAN1983
26-10-2004, 08:32
our midfield is irreplaceable IMO......definitely not Rino and Pirlo...they r the heart of our midfield...without them...we lose the aggressiveness, the work-rate, the creativity and most importantly, the passion that so well define our team's play in recent years...so no need to bring in new players...not @ the moment at least.. so stick with them!~ :beer:
lol, sorry, I just realised a little mistake I made in that paragraph you quoted. I said why we shouldn't get the midfielders mentioned, but I didn't mention my point which is we don't need new midfielders at all at the moment, as the ones we have are world class when playing to their standards.
I agree with Sally, criticizing a player so much based on the odd performance is disgusting, unless you're simply criticizing the performance itself in the one match (personally, I would say Haroon's posts mostly fit in this category).
One thing to point out to those who are getting annoyed with those heavily criticising Pirlo. There are forums that are far worse when it comes to criticising a player for ridiculous reasons than this one, so lets at least be glad it isn't so bad here.
That was a very racist remark and I take offence to that as a latino, just b/c the man's colombian hes supposed to be selling drugs? How would you like it if told you to go blow up some cars or yourself in a bus full of innocent people?
lightin up :) if you think that's being harsh on a perdenti player , hohoho , you should hear the rest of our opinions on present and past perdenti players :grinser:
I repeat : hohoho :)
lightin up :) if you think that's being harsh on a perdenti player , hohoho , you should hear the rest of our opinions on present and past perdenti players :grinser:
I repeat : hohoho :)
I could care less if all of you here make fun of him in the context of football, but when it gets to be racial, thats out of line.
Hey Goirre, buen trabajo defendiendo los hispanos chamo...no seas tan impocrita!
I could care less if all of you here make fun of him in the context of football, but when it gets to be racial, thats out of line.
Racial ?? What's so racial about the drug joke ? alltough drugs may be the main export product of colombia , as wel as olives are in greece :rotfl: Charisteas is a hairy dude , all greeks are btw :) so if you make fun out of that , is that racial too ? noooo , that funny too me :D again , lighten up ... and dont forget , this still is MILANmania , joking on Perdenti's is a casual thing here .
Racial ?? What's so racial about the drug joke ? alltough drugs may be the main export product of colombia , as wel as olives are in greece :rotfl: Charisteas is a hairy dude , all greeks are btw :) so if you make fun out of that , is that racial too ? noooo , that funny too me :D again , lighten up ... and dont forget , this still is MILANmania , joking on Perdenti's is a casual thing here .
You obviously dont get it...
That was a very racist remark and I take offence to that as a latino, just b/c the man's colombian hes supposed to be selling drugs? How would you like it if told you to go blow up some cars or yourself in a bus full of innocent people?
i dont know whats wrong with u but uve been behind my back on every perdenti-linked comment i made... lsn man that is not a racist joke, like nova said its a drug joke and latino or not u gotta admit that theres something weird about drugs and colombians (i didnt say altinos btw i said colombians). hey GTA3 has a part where colombians deal with drugs go sue them and maybe ull make some money out of it
u need to lighten up, if u said something like us arabs have moustaches, or we never agree on things or about the oil we have i dont find it racist... its like saying moustaches to is arabs like chest hair is to greeks :neww: which itself is like cocaine is to colombians.
...its like saying moustaches to is arabs like chest hair is to greeks :neww: ...
To my defence , chesthair is not a bad thing :D
Hey Goirre, buen trabajo defendiendo los hispanos chamo...no seas tan impocrita!
don't you call me hipocrita, I was away for 2 days and only now I saw mk18's post, you expect me to magically pop up everytime something like this happens?? .....so watch out who you call hipocrita.
its like saying moustaches is to arabs like chest hair is to greeks which itself is like cocaine is to colombians.
no comparison whatsoever......for the records, I do agree with BFC82 in that your original post was out of place mk18. I'm sure any Interisti that comes around can only expect us to make fun of Inter and/or its players, I myself don't get tired of calling them Perdentis, but please try to keep the "attacks" in 'football terms' and avoid using this type of comments.
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