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I'm going to start a very unpopular thread for many MM'rs here, but I feel I have to.
I'm pretty much tired of all the unrealistic wishes that pop up here every day. We all know what I mean, buy a new player because our guy has played 2 bad games in a row and if he plays a 3rd bad match then we MUST sell him. Then he's no longer Milan material, he's not even worth he ever wore our shirt. :dontkn: :rolleyes:
I'll kick an open door when I say that Milan only plays with human beings every match (so no robots) and Humans do make mistakes Every Day!!
Then the economic side of all wishes. Do you really think it's all that simple to splash out millions and millions? It's an economic crisis all around Europe!! Normal people lose their jobs every day. Just look at the news, it's getting worse every day. Like it or not, it has its affects on football around Europe too. Why do you think we were looking for free transfers the last years, like many other teams did and do?
Another problem I have with all those wishes is the following. Who can or will for 100% give assurance that an individually better player will improve our squad. I can name many teams this and previous seasons who don't have a minor team then ours, but perform less then us. (Real Madrid, Manchester Utd, Inter, ...) Real Madrid even buy star after star without being on top of the league. Sarcastics under us can say they are a mid-table team nowadays, just like Roma is. We have to have some non-prolific players to keep up the balance in our team. If we would only have stars, we won't fight for each other anymore, because all 11 would feel they are the prima donna who won't have to do the dirty job. That's the problem of Inter the last years, they had a great team every year, bought great players, but were never a team. So why bash Kaladze, Pancaro, Tomasson, and others for not being world class. In my opinion they do their job and fill the gaps our Prima Donna's left open. They are very valuable in my point of view. I appreciate them.
I know this thread may be not fancy enough for some of you guys, but it's my view. I don't like to read everyone's favorite player who should be signed by Milan every day. We MM'rs are even worse then all the newspapers together. Be satisfied with what you have and discuss what you have, not what you may have. I can understand all those wishes, but it gets boring.
Trust in our management. They did a great job the last 4 years. Didn't they.;)
Nothing wrong with this thread or opinion Yuri, frankly I doubt we would have more points and wins this season (and we all know at the end of the day thats what will matter not how we played anyhow) if we had the likes of Ronaldinho on our team. There are problems within the defense, and other areas of the team for sure but they have to be evaluated within what we have then after that the discussion can be about which transfers might help.
(and we all know at the end of the day thats what will matter not how we played anyhow)
try explaining that to peatchot!
yuri i agree with u.. nothing offensive in ur post!
IMO...Yuri you are the one who think the way I do... all people are necessary in or team... almost everyone... some are not... but Tomasson, Kakha and Giuseppe are those who lead us to victory last season in Serie A... eve they are not stars... or pretend to be...
I do not understand people who say we need Dinho to be perfect, IMO we can be perfect without him. He is the best. So he is most expencive. So we should watch for new players who are cheaper...
esspecially italian players cuz when Billy, Paolo, Guiseppe end their careers we only have several starting lineup italian players... it is a problem cuz we are team which reperesents italian football, not international like Inter...
it is a problem cuz we are team which reperesents italian football, not international like Inter...
Since when has Milan represent Italian football? :cpuke: :yuck:
Since the post-war period (I don't know much about Milan's history pre-war), Milan has been buying the best players (mostly foreigners) available in the market. It's a policy which has worked so well for 5 DECADES so why change it? We all know Milan don't have a great youth academy (We're not Ajax), and the management has always believed in investing on the best foreign talents available in the market, rather than a good youth academy.
Milan always have a cosmopolitan team and this should be the way it should continue. If you are looking at a team that represents Italian football then look not further than Juve, but we know how they perform in European finals. :devf: And may Capello continue the "Juve" tradition. :delol:
If you wanna support a team full of all "locals", then I recommend Athletic Bilbao. :guw:
Milan are Milan, and we represent only Milan in Europe, not Italy. Period!
We all know Milan don't have a great youth academy (We're not Ajax)
yeah, we hav not but we should establish it as soon as possible... ya say that Ajax is the one which produce new talents... look at MUFC or Real... they are also have plenty of young players who play in their first squad ... and what'sthe matter...? They are in race for most prestigeous titles as we are... and they do not fail...
If you wanna support a team full of all "locals", then I recommend Athletic Bilbao. :guw:
man, do you say that we should have 22 foreigners...
so would AC Milan represent Milano city and whole Italia...
I guess no of italian tifosi would be glad to see on pitch running 6 brasilian and 5 argentinian while italian players sit on bench... San Siro
soon be neglected...
IMO if Milan is Italia's team so it should have guys born there...
otherwise football become unattractive for local fans who are the main real force which supports or beloved team...
I want to see Gilardino, Bonera, Cannavaro Jr. and Parissi in or squad...
ACMILAN1983
06-11-2004, 12:01
Yuri I completely understand how you feel.
I've been asking people to be patient with the side for ages now, as we won't see the best of it for quite a while.
As for buying new players, people talk about bringing in new guys in January, but we don't really have the opportunity to get someone that "big" and even then, a little time after we'll have Stam and Pippo back anyway.
Another thing that bothers me is that we have people saying how poorly certain players are playing like Kaka. This is simply based on the Barca match and those people seem to forget that in the 3-4 matches before that, Kaka had been playing very well, being one of our most potent attacking forces.
yeah, we hav not but we should establish it as soon as possible... ya say that Ajax is the one which produce new talents... look at MUFC or Real... they are also have plenty of young players who play in their first squad ... and what'sthe matter...? They are in race for most prestigeous titles as we are... and they do not fail...
I don't think you get what I was trying to say. I said Milan's management have always believed in getting the best returns from their investments by buying the best players in the markets, which is why they are unlikely to invest $$ into developing a good youth academy, and the buying policy has worked well for 5 over decades.
I only mentioned Ajax cause they are the only club who produces good youngsters on a regular basis since the 60s. For ManU, the only times I can think of where they field a group of promising youngsters from the youth team were in the 50s (Busby babes) and 90s (Nevilles, Scholes, Beckham). Was there a laspe of 30 over years without a group promising youngsters?
And I'm surprised you mention Real, cause Real's philosophy is very much like Milan, ie buying the best players rather than developing from youth teams. From the days of Di Stefano to the days of Zidane, Real have always bought the best players in the market. On their current roster, only Raul and Casillas can be considered successful "products" from the youth team (though it must be said Raul started his football education in the youth team of Atletico Madrid and not Real Madrid), the others players are mostly big money purchases. If you look at the post-war Real, the only time they played with "youth team products" was during the 80s, where "La Quinta del Buitre" (The Vulture Squadron) consisted of 5 players (Butragueño, Michel, Sanchis, Martin-Vasquez & Pardeza) promoted from the youth team.
man, do you say that we should have 22 foreigners...
so would AC Milan represent Milano city and whole Italia...
I guess no of italian tifosi would be glad to see on pitch running 6 brasilian and 5 argentinian while italian players sit on bench... San Siro
soon be neglected...
IMO if Milan is Italia's team so it should have guys born there...
otherwise football become unattractive for local fans who are the main real force which supports or beloved team...
I want to see Gilardino, Bonera, Cannavaro Jr. and Parissi in or squad...
To me, the only way I can foresee the tifosi staying away from the San Siro is the lack of quality football. If Milan continues it's policy of buying the best players in the market, you can virtually guarantee great football week in week out.
I don't think the nationality of Milan players are important, I'm more concern about the players wearing the red & black colors with pride and honor. You look at the likes of Liedholm, Schnellinger in the past to the likes of Sheva and Kaka today. Does it mean they don't wear the colors with pride because they are not Italian? No. So long if Milan players wear and defend the red & black colors with pride and honor, I'm perfectly in favor of fielding a whole team of foreigners.
IMO local tifose love to see more compatriots playin for their side. I do the same. My state has no great football team, but I can compare it to baketball. When in yer team plays 10 americans and two bench warmers form yer country it feels quite disgustingly... in yer team there are no lithuanians... such situation sux... well, tanx God it is only my imagination... however in Italia there are no limits for foreigners neither in football nor in basketball... so look at Italian national basketball team... no new talents... only great but old players... it is a problem. And i do not want it happen in football too. Lets see - Billy and Maldini are over 35, Pancaro is also over 30. Sandro, Pirlo and Rino also arent youngsters. Pozzi, Abate, Borrellio are loaned. So we have no real sustitution for our old generation. And you see no menace here. Ok, we can buy foreigners from Latin America or East Europe but our own players wont have chance to improve theirselves. Thanx God, Milan is only one italian team which does not care about such things, I mean there are plenty of other teams which produce new talents of Italia. But I want that they can have an opportunity to play for their national clubs in highest level, not only in Serie A.
BaggioForever
06-11-2004, 22:44
a team full of foreigners???..u must b outa your mind...even if they r all superstars (or like wat u said the best players in the mkt)..the fact that there r no italians in the team spoils the whole point of a domestic league. I, myself a foreign fan wouldnt wish to see Milan consist only Brazilians and Argentinians....u would imagine the locals would feel even worse to see their local team consist of non-italians. Moreover a team of "best players in the mkt" wouldnt necessary guarantee us a great football wk in wk out...u see what Real bought..best players in the mkt like zizou,beck, ronaldo and figo (all foreigners) guaranteed Real a MIDTABLE SLOT tts for sure... :grinser:
it is not an issue on pride in our milan colours...i believe any1 who donned the red and black will carry the pride and honour onto the field...however its just the idea of a team of foreigners (regardless of superstar or not) does not and will not fit into the mindset of ANY fans in the world (mayb except ilgenio :D).
IMO we would only be developing other country's talent instead of our own which comes back in the International scene to 'bite' us :fero:
The difference between buying and developing players depends on a club's philosophy. For Milan, the management prefers to buy than to develop, and since it has worked well, I see no reason to change it.
Big names signings will attract crowd to the stadiums. Afterall, these are the stars fans will pay money to watch. Interestingly, another Real Madrid example is used again (this time by BaggioForever) :grinser: . Real's problem is down to an egoistic president who is only interested in getting offensive players (No defence!). And previous coaches like Quieroz and Camacho were not able to manage the team well. Del Bosque has worked with basically the same team of Galacticos (except Beckham and the signings after him) and he has delivered a trophy in each season during his 4 year stint as Real's coach. Well, since the season is still young, it's too early to pass judgment on Real's current coach Ramon yet.
As for foreign talents hampering the development of the local players, that's Italy's problem, not Milan's and certainly not mine. :devf: On the contrary, it may well spur the local lads to work harder to prove that they are better than the foreign stars.
Milan is not the only club in Italy, and if Milan's management prefers foreign stars to homegrown talents, then the local lads can always join other Italian clubs, like Yoovay for example. :devf:
So what you're saying then Yuri is that we shouldn't bother having a transfer section because all we talk about is gossip ? I agree with you to a degree. I too can't stand people who say "I want him, and him and him and him", rolling off a list of names as long as your arm. But you'll have to forgive me for saying i want Ronaldinho, heaven forbid i would want a player who would improve our first team and our squad ... we shouldn't bother with players who'll do that, we shouldn't bother with star names, we should just buy players who are unproven but might turn out well. Just because we've played it sensibly in the market so far doesn't mean we have to always do that, we can buy whoever we want and everyone has the right to comment on "Speculation" made by sections of the media. No-one should moan about the players you mentioned because they're not star players, true milan fans love Kaladze, Pancaro and the like, because they're good solid players. But if a better player is around that we might be able to get, why not go for them ? I hate it how people tell me to stop wanting Ronaldinho because he's untouchable, what a load of bull. If i want to make my opinion about him i will. I'm realistic enough to know it's 99% unlikely but there's always a chance in football that things might happen. But if you say that about Ronaldinho, that he's untouchable, why isn't Parma's Gilardino untouchable ? He's the jewel in their crown and they'll fight tooth and nail to keep him, yet we're full of threads about him. We should stop talking about him then according to your view ? I respect what you say and like i've mentioned before i agree about the people who make thread after thread about new players, saying we should buy everyone. But this is a transfer thread and it runs on gossip and speculation, if we don't talk about that then this area would be dead and nothing would go on here as all we could talk about would be official transfers. Yes things may have got a little over the top, but everything in moderation. This is about gossip, it always has been, always will be. If people don't like it's simple, don't read the threads.
So what you're saying then Yuri is that we shouldn't bother having a transfer section because all we talk about is gossip ? I agree with you to a degree. I too can't stand people who say "I want him, and him and him and him", rolling off a list of names as long as your arm. .
No Jim, the transfer section shouldn't be given up. I don't have a problem with threads who discuss players who might come to Milan who are already mentioned in the press as inforcements!!!
Forums are there to discuss, and a fun part are the transfers, I agree on that. It's nice to dream and create an own dream team. But, I have a problem with threads who often pop up with everyone's own favorites. We allready have a thread with fantasy signings , so only use that one, it's a section for all those wishes and people who don't like to read wishes can avoid that section.
Jim, you can speculate on Ronaldinho if you want, because it was also mentioned in the press, so there's room for discussion for it.
I only have a problem with posts like: We should sign Joaquin, because he's a rising star and we need a replacement for Gattuso who can't even control a ball. . This is just an example. Sheva1234 and others are full of those posts.
Well i completely agree with you on that one. Fantasy talk should be in the Fantasy thread and people who open up thread after thread about players to sign (who have not been linked to us) should have their threads closed and deleted. Maybe time to get a little tougher with people to stop people abusing it ? Or maybe that's me being too harsh. Nice one Yuri :D
Giovanni
08-11-2004, 11:26
As for buying new players, people talk about bringing in new guys in January, but we don't really have the opportunity to get someone that "big" and even then, a little time after we'll have Stam and Pippo back anyway.
Little time? february is little time? we can have wasted a whole season till that moment...plus i wanna know WHY we MUSTwait..who has stated that Pippo will recover 100%, i wait since last year, and franlky every time was the definitive one
Well i completely agree with you on that one. Fantasy talk should be in the Fantasy thread and people who open up thread after thread about players to sign (who have not been linked to us) should have their threads closed and deleted. Maybe time to get a little tougher with people to stop people abusing it ? Or maybe that's me being too harsh. Nice one Yuri :D
I'm glad you finally fully understand what I meant by my thread. No need to close transfer threads!!
Giovanni, I think you're right. We could use another striker in Januari. But in my view we should get rid of another then. Up till now our squad is at least big enough in numbers, maybe even a bit too big. We can't have a squad with 30 players in it. There comes trouble within the side from and that will lead to more bad performances. Ancelotti did quite a good job to let everybody feel important and happy at the club. If we increase our squad numbers, players will even play less games as they now do, so the unhappy feeling will get the upper hand and that can cause more damage to our team then being out of form.
ACMILAN1983
08-11-2004, 17:18
Little time? february is little time? we can have wasted a whole season till that moment...plus i wanna know WHY we MUSTwait..who has stated that Pippo will recover 100%, i wait since last year, and franlky every time was the definitive one
ok, thats my mistake, when I made the post I though Pippo would return in January not February.
I know how you feel about the forwards right now, but were not gonna find someone much better than who we have unless were lucky. What we need to focus on (or the Milan management should) is trying to help players like JDT and Crespo get back in form, as they are all we can rely on at the moment and we all know they have the quality.
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