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So Coppa Italia begins for us, and we must play Palermo first. Not an easy rival, especially considering they will probably give more importance to this competition than us.
Milan will most probably field those players who had less playing time so far....the likes of Abbiati, San Billy, Coloccini, Dhorasoo, Ambrosini, Brocchi Serginho and Rui among others, will certainly play. JDT and Crespo should also feature, in order for them to find some very needed goals. I wonder if Simic will be fit by then, I am not very informed about his injury.
Abbiati
Simic - San Billy - Coloccini - Kaladze
Brocchi - Ambro - Serginho
Rui
JDT - Crespo
looking good :dcool:
---censored for gross stupidity by myself :)---
I think it is likely that Sheva will play, maybe not the full game but at least 45 minutes. I predict that 2 out of Kaka, Gattuso, Pirlo and Seedorf will be rested and that Rui and Ambrosini will take their spots. Hopefully Coloccini may get a shot at starting the game if Nesta or Maldini are rested.
How is Shaktar doing in their league?
I don't think Milan will field a "second string" team against Palermo. 1) It is an away game 2) Palermo just beat Sampdoria, and are no pushovers 3) We can't afford to slip further behind Juve.
4) this is a Coppa Italia match ;)
sorry, I should have pointed that out in the thread's title....now it is
My bad, I retract point #3, I still think we won't field a pure reserves team, but Sheva will likely get a rest.
Well, players like San Paolo, Cafu, Pirlo, Kaka and Sheva for example could really use a rest. Besides, few of our 'reserves' play like reserves, the likes of Brocchi, Sergio, Dhorasoo, Kaladze, Billy and Rui for example, have been showing some convincing performances, even if only for few minutes, sometimes playing better than those they were replacing ;) ....our 'reserve team' is more like a 2nd 1st team :D
The biggest concern is obviously the reserve strikers, who just seem to have forgotten how to score :(
I wouldn't be concerned at all if the defense and midfield got a complete rest. Don't think it will happen though.
The biggest concern is obviously the reserve strikers, who just seem to have forgotten how to score :(
true, it is in these matches that they should be given more opportunities to find their scoring touch...in Serie A matches Sheva MUST play.
Palermo - Milan
Sabato
20/11/2004
ore 21.00
all matches can be found here
OTTAVI DI FINALE - ANDATA
http://www.lega-calcio.it/ita/timc_secondafase.shtml
so what is our fixture list for the next few weeks? its hard to keep up they are coming thick and fast
BaggioForever
14-11-2004, 21:12
there is an international break next wk...Italy was supposed to play China..however due to China's Asia World Cup qualification stage...the friendly is cancelled and the Serie A gets to have a 1 week break!!~
so what is our fixture list for the next few weeks? its hard to keep up they are coming thick and fast
Italy has a friendly this week against Finland if I am not wrong...not that it matters much, because coach Lippi didn't call any player from Milan anyway. I don't know what the other European countries' schedules look like for this week, but as for our South Americans, they will be busy with the South American qualifiers to be played between Tuesday and Thursday.
Milan resumes on Saturday against Palermo in the Coppa Italia. After that we have a game against Shakthar for the Champions League. Then, on the 28th (two weeks from now) Serie A resumes, and we play Chievo away, while Juve visits Inter....then, well, you can check the Serie A and CL calendar threads ;)
Milan will be fielding a team of second string players for this game, and I'm expecting a draw. Palermo are tough cookies at home and Milan can't score without Sheva. :smileani: It's time Crespo & co prove me wrong.
I doubt most channels will be showing this game, cause 20 Nov is also the day of El Superclasico (Barca - Real) in Spain, probably Europe's biggest game that week.
Kurt Cobain
15-11-2004, 07:06
I don't know what the other European countries' schedules look like for this week, but as for our South Americans, they will be busy with the South American qualifiers to be played between Tuesday and Thursday.
The Brazilians will travel to Equador and will face really tough competition there. Pekerman cut Crespo from the squad that will play against Venezuela - just Coloccini will be in the line-up - so, against Palermo, Crespo will have another chance to find his long lost form. Sooner or later he'll start to score because he really knows how to do it and has good players to feed him.
Van Basten didn't call Seedorf and I don't know if Tomasson and Sheva will be involved in European qualifiers. Hope not.
If not, the more likely is a Crespo-Tomasson attack against Palermo; the second squad on the pitch and some youngster from the Primavera squad on the bench.
RAI International will show the game?
Abbiati
Simic - San Billy - Coloccini - Kaladze
Brocchi - Ambro - Serginho
Rui
JDT - Crespo
seems to be second team... :hihihi: I wonder what we want from this match - if a victory we need Sheva or Palermo player to score, cuz no one of this squad can do that...:D
seems to be second team... :hihihi: I wonder what we want from this match - if a victory we need Sheva or Palermo player to score, cuz no one of this squad can do that...:D
Serginho, Kaladze and JDT have all scored this year... and in the same game too. :D Personally I will keep saying, give Dhorasoo a chance!
Milan has 7 players selected for the midweek WC qualifiers.
JDT for Denmark
Sheva for Ukraine
Kala for Georgia
Nelson, Marcos, Ricky for Brasil
Colo for Argie
So I don't expect the South American players to be playing in the Copa Italia.
I want a victory. I know that the Cup is not that important now days.....but the tripple crown would come tasty. A second string team will most probably will be used but that is no excuse for anything.
-----------Abbiati-------------
Simic-Costacurta-Coloccini-Pancaro
------------Dhorasoo----------
Brocchi---------------Ambrosini
-----Rui Costa-----Serginho----
--------------Crespo-----------(JDT to come in for Serginho if things are not going well)
JDT will come back by saturday, but I think he should start against Shakthar,so he should take the weekend break. I think that Carlo will probably start him alongside Crespo anyway, however i think Rui and Serginho right behind Crespo will do just fine. I chose Pancaro over Kaladze because I want Kaladze to start against Shakthar. Pancaro has looked shaky as of
lately, and I am really looking forward to seeing Kaladze back to his old self. He is really close.....he just needs to keep playing. Coloccini will be away for a midweek game.......and if he is back in time for the tie......he should play. He has only featured once(i think), so there is no way why he should not be able to play wednesday-saturday.
Is Abate sent away on a loan??? If he is not.......i really want to see him feature in this one. Give the kid at least 20 minutes. It is about time we start using our youth system to upgrade the engine. Hopefuly this team will take it to Palermo.
Forza MILAN!
Van Basten didn't call Seedorf and I don't know if Tomasson and Sheva will be involved in European qualifiers. Hope not.
Sheva and Tomasson were called by their respective coaches. But only the South Americans will be doubtful to play against Palermo, the ones who play in Europe can easily make it to the Palermo game.....except those who need some rest of course.
Is Abate sent away on a loan??? If he is not.......i really want to see him feature in this one. Give the kid at least 20 minutes. It is about time we start using our youth system to upgrade the engine.
Abate and Pozzi are both on loan at Napoli....they had a good start, I am not sure of their latest performances though
Pekerman cut Crespo from the squad that will play against Venezuela - just Coloccini will be in the line-up - so, against Palermo, Crespo will have another chance to find his long lost form.
A bit off topic,but is that the real name of the Argentinian coach?
A bit off topic,but is that the real name of the Argentinian coach?
Your eyes are not playing tricks on you, the name of Argie's coach is Jose Pekerman. ;)
We need 2 field the players who don't get a chance 2 play.Especially the strikers,Crespo and Tomasson.They need 2 find their form and 2 do that,they need more playing time.Come on Milan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Start 2 play with more confidence and stop relying on Sheva's brilliance
ACMILAN1983
16-11-2004, 14:06
I say give this game to Dhorasoo, he at least deserves one full game.
I expect squad players for this match
FORZA MILAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Grande-Milan-DK
16-11-2004, 16:44
Rai Due shows the match Live -
Itīs a difficult game to approach. We have to rest players, but we also have to aviod a massive defeat as 3-0 etc.
It is difficult to play a good game with so many new players in a team, so the best we can get is a draw .. unless the strikers use this game to start the scoring.
Dunno the line up.. But a lot of players have to be rested ..or maybe just play 45 minutes.
from acmilan.com :
DARIO SIMIC OPERATED ON IN FINLAND...
MILAN - Dario Simic underwent a foot operation (on his right retrocalcaneare) on Tuesday morning in Turku, Finland. The operation was carried out by Professor Orawa, who was assisted by Doctor Massimiliano Sala. The defender is expected to be sidelined for around three months if there are no complications.
So , no Simic in COPPA ... :dconf:
:fero: FORZA MILAN :fero:
ACMILAN1983
18-11-2004, 14:34
three months!!
these long term injuries are really troublesome :mad:
derekhski
18-11-2004, 15:07
I dont have much of an opinion on who plays in our defensive back four, but would be interested in seeing the Midfeild players swapped out. It would be good to see Rui Costa (play maker), Ambrosini, Brocchi or Serginho (either or, not both), and Dhorasso make up the midfeild. I think we need to create some additional oppurtunies for these players to form a squad of calibur, and cohesiveness so that they can lighten the load on our 1st team squad. These four or five players, should be able to replace the starters for our less competitive series A rivals in addition to the Coppa. As of yet, since we are trailing in the standings, our team has had lots of preasure to preform, and less oppurtunity to rest.
I also hope that Tommasson, who may have found his goal scoring boots on Wednesday, will start with Cespo. Then it is up to the two of them to create goals, not just chances..... Just my wishes, hopes, wants and Opinion. Maybe right? maybe wrong?.......
Oh, and for some strange reason, I like Dhorasso, maybe its because he's French.
get rid or simic, there is no point of keepin him cuz he never ever plays
get rid or simic, there is no point of keepin him cuz he never ever plays
I simply love this CM attitude.
ACMILAN1983
18-11-2004, 21:09
I simply love this CM attitude.
shouldn't we start referring to it as FM, as the old CM dev team now make Football Manager :D
shouldn't we start referring to it as FM, as the old CM dev team now make Football Manager :D
That's right. but just to let them know how unrealistic people can be.
what are you talking about, he has a valid point. Simic never plays which means he is not a valid backup nor starter and is therefore not needed by the club
acmilan89
19-11-2004, 04:49
Against Palermo, I expect that each position is filled with at least one "first-team" player. Most of us, including myself, regard this as an insiginificant trophy but I don't think we should let ourselves be humiliated by Palermo. Milan needs to win this even if it fields the non-first team players. These are the players that I think should play throughout most of the game:
Abbiati
Costacurta-Nesta-Coloccini-Kaladze
Dhorasso-Gatusso-Ambrosini
Rui Costa
Tomasson-Crespo
Against Palermo, I expect that each position is filled with at least one "first-team" player. Most of us, including myself, regard this as an insiginificant trophy but I don't think we should let ourselves be humiliated by Palermo.
why would we be humiliated? Our B-team won this tournament two season ago and beat Romas first team last year.
Warro Bantan
19-11-2004, 13:17
The line up that Milan will field for this game should be comprised of players that have not had much match time todate....Brocci, Rui, Serghino, Colo, and Crespo should all start.
I have examined Arsenal's approach to their cup competition. It is a testament to their youth policy that they can successfully field what is essentially their youth team, and rack up a win against a Premiereship opponent or two.
That Wenger :hmm2: has decided to field the same line-up vs Man U in the next round of matches exemplifies the confidence that he has in these youngsters (as well as allowing his first team to get a cruicial rest while their opponents play yet another match with most of their regular starters).
I seem to have lost touch with the successes of the primavera team, :dconf: but IMO this is the approach that we should adopt, unless it is that the youth team just isnt good enough to compete at this level....which is not necessarily a criticism of the programme, but Arsenal's youth policy seems to be bearing fruit, while ours doesnt. :broken:
Wenger can now look less intensively at the transfer market, and focus more on integrating the young players into the first team, decreasing his reliance on "ready-made" stars.
Though the English League is a far cry from the Serie A in general terms, what does it say about our youth programme/transfer policy that few youth products ever make it into the first team? :dconf:
This post is running the risk of being moved into another forum, so let me end by saying that Milan should invest more in developing the youg talent that come to the club in droves, and less in bringing in highly paid mercenaries, often close to the end of their careers, who do not have the passion for the club that a player brought up in the red and black will have.
Palermo 1, :sagrin: Milan 2 :sagrin:
from acmilan.com :
THE TEAM LEAVING FOR PALERMO...
MILANELLO - At the end of the training session, Carlo Ancelotti has named a 19-man team for the Italian Cup game away to Palermo.
Five youth team players have also been called up to the team, that reads as follows:
GOALKEEPERS: Abbiati, Fiori, Dei Forti
DEFENDERS: Coloccini, Nesta, Pancaro, Legati, Perticone
MIDFIELDERS: Esayas, Ambrosini, Dhorasoo, Gattuso, Pirlo, Rui Costa, Seedorf, Serginho
FORWARDS: Crespo, Barbieri, Ferrario
:rolleyes: :r11:
:fero: FORZA MILAN :fero:
I don't know much about those youngsters....anyway, I was hoping to see Kaladze, Brocchi and San Billy Costacurta...what's up with our co-capitano?? injured?
maybe we will see this lineup:
-------------- Abbiati --------------
Pancaro - Nesta - Coloccini - Serginho
---- Rino -- Dhorasoo -- Ambro ----
------- Rui -------- Seedorf ------
------------ Crespo --------------
still looking good :cool:
it's Crespo's time!! :firedev:
FORZA MILAN!!!
ACMILAN1983
19-11-2004, 20:13
I don't know much about those youngsters....anyway, I was hoping to see Kaladze, Brocchi and San Billy Costacurta...what's up with our co-capitano?? injured?
maybe we will see this lineup:
-------------- Abbiati --------------
Pancaro - Nesta - Coloccini - Serginho
---- Rino -- Dhorasoo -- Ambro ----
------- Rui -------- Seedorf ------
------------ Crespo --------------
still looking good :cool:
it's Crespo's time!! :firedev:
FORZA MILAN!!!
Maldini has some stomach problem
I hope Dhorasoo is given this game, he deserves one game minimum.
Maldini has some stomach problem
I wasn't expecting San Paolo to play this match anyway, by co-capitano I mean Costacurta ;)
anyway, Coppa started today, and Roma managed to lose at home to Siena, while Juve lost to Atalanta and Sampodia beat Torino.
zlatanov
20-11-2004, 00:14
Well, I guess the win vs Siena was a precious one, after all. Too bad we seem to be the only team that didn't beat Roma these days.
As for Juve, I am not sure whether to be happy or be sad - if they are out of the Coppa they will be able to concentrate on the Serie A and CL and this will be only in their advantage as the season goes on.
ACMILAN1983
20-11-2004, 07:14
I wasn't expecting San Paolo to play this match anyway, by co-capitano I mean Costacurta ;)
anyway, Coppa started today, and Roma managed to lose at home to Siena, while Juve lost to Atalanta and Sampodia beat Torino.
lol, I thought it said Il Capitano
That's right. but just to let them know how unrealistic people can be.
unrealistic about wut, gettin rid of simic? simic hasnt done anything at all n he has never helped us with ANYTHING, HE ISNT YOUNG N HE CANT REPLACE CAFU WEN HE RETIRES. wut is the point of keeping him on the team? i wud rather sell him to sum english team n buy some1 like mesto
unrealistic about wut, gettin rid of simic? simic hasnt done anything at all n he has never helped us with ANYTHING, HE ISNT YOUNG N HE CANT REPLACE CAFU WEN HE RETIRES. wut is the point of keeping him on the team? i wud rather sell him to sum english team n buy some1 like mesto
dude, you should go support juventus. they are running a great business i admit, vialli, ravanelli, baggio, vieri, yes, they are making money and juventus as a team still plays well and wins cups, but that hurt!
we need somebody like simic! he seldom gets the chance to play, yet he could be ready when needed (now that he is injured, it is different, but you know what i mean). milan is like a family, not a pure business. everybody seems to like mesto, but he is not here yet. until he is one of us, i won't support him. we need people like simic, kaladze, ambrosini, rui, jdt who are able to deliver and yet happy to wait on the bench. on the full right back, puyol is even better, much better than simic, or mesto, but will he be happy to start from the bench? i don't think so.
simic/ambrosini/abbiati/rui/jdt/kk/..., stars like them who are dedicated to milan and don't complain, are the difference that make us stronger than real madrid, and what makes milan so much supported and loved. :proud:
unrealistic about wut, gettin rid of simic? simic hasnt done anything at all n he has never helped us with ANYTHING, HE ISNT YOUNG N HE CANT REPLACE CAFU WEN HE RETIRES. wut is the point of keeping him on the team? i wud rather sell him to sum english team n buy some1 like mesto
Unrealistic because Milan won't do that. That's what I mean by realistic. You can do this in CM (or FM). He may not be Cafu's replacement, but he is not Laursen. He never makes a big fuss about things, and he does play a couple of matches last year in the italian cup. SCrew it if you don't want the cup, but many people do.
And one more thing. "HE HAS NEVER HELPED US WITH ANYTHING" is a big big big big big statement that speaks your inadequacy of your Milan knowledge. Simic WAS one of the defenders in our early CL campaign, THE YEAR WHEN WE WON THE CHAMPION LEAGUE.
Go back and watch some videos. Respect is something that people lack here.
MIDFIELDERS: Esayas, Ambrosini, Dhorasoo, Gattuso, Pirlo, Rui Costa, Seedorf, Serginho
Just a note for those who don't allready know: This Harvey Esayas character is 30+ years old and was brought to Milan because Seedorf asked/demanded that he'd be given a shot at it. Esayas once played for the Ajax youth team but never made it to the seniors. After failing at Feyenoord he continued his career at various smaller clubs in Holland, after which he moved to Spain where he warmed the bench for Zamora (2nd division). According to some reports he weighed in over 100 kg when he came to Milan, but Milan Lab has gotten him into reasonable shape again. :rollani:
He is easily the weirdest signing ever, but it would be "interesting" to see him play a few minutes in the game.:)
Fiorentina beat Parma 2 - 0 and Udinese beat Lecce 5 - 4 :eekani: (the same Udinese and Lecce that played a 7-goal thriller recently)...the funny thing about this match is that Di Michele scored twice and saved a penalty after their keeper was sent off (and they had no more changes available).
A little more than an hour left for our match, FORZA MILAN!!!
Just a note for those who don't allready know: This Harvey Esayas character is 30+ years old and was brought to Milan because Seedorf asked/demanded that he'd be given a shot at it. Esayas once played for the Ajax youth team but never made it to the seniors. After failing at Feyenoord he continued his career at various smaller clubs in Holland, after which he moved to Spain where he warmed the bench for Zamora (2nd division). According to some reports he weighed in over 100 kg when he came to Milan, but Milan Lab has gotten him into reasonable shape again. :rollani:
He is easily the weirdest signing ever, but it would be "interesting" to see him play a few minutes in the game.:)
i wish i knew somebody in milan, well, should i say i wish somebody in milan knew me... :love:
i don't have to be a player :p286: or something, just want to get a few tickets once a while and have the chance to cheer for milan.. :gonova:
:cheers:
According to some reports he weighed in over 100 kg when he came to Milan, but Milan Lab has gotten him into reasonable shape again. :rollani:
He is easily the weirdest signing ever, but it would be "interesting" to see him play a few minutes in the game.:)
Well, we've already had Ibou "Bibimus" Ba, so that 100 Kg barrier has already been broken, probably. :D Perhaps this Harvey fellow can be the Jack Haley of the Serie A (for those who don't know who Jack Haley was/is, he was a not-very-talented 7 foot basketball player who seemed to get a place every team Dennis Rodman played for, because he was Rodman's buddy. He sat on many a NBA bench in his warm-ups for a good many years because of his apparent talent for saying, "Hell yeah, Dennis, that'll be a boss party, dude.") ;)
our bench for this game looks interesting:
Fiori V.
Legati E.
Perticone R.
Esayas A.
Pirlo A.
Barbieri D.
Ferrario A.
;)
our lineup will be pretty much the obvious one, good to see Abbiati, Colo and Dhorasso given a start:
Abbiati C.
Pancaro G.
Nesta A.
Coloccini F.
Serginho S.
Gattuso G.
Ambrosini M.
Dhorasoo V.
Seedorf C.
Rui Costa M.
Crespo H.
the match starts in a few minutes, FORZA MILAN!!!
The match is about to start! FORZA MILAN!!
radio link (in Italian): www.radio.rai.it Radio 1
also, Gazzetta as usual is commenting the match
Abbiati C.
Pancaro G.
Nesta A.
Coloccini F.
Serginho S.
Gattuso G.
Ambrosini M.
Dhorasoo V.
Seedorf C.
Rui Costa M.
Crespo H.
the match starts in a few minutes, FORZA MILAN!!!
Are we playing a six man midfield? I guess Serghinio must be playing at left back. :bri:
Are we playing a six man midfield? I guess Serghinio must be playing at left back. :bri:
yes, we are playing like this:
-------------- Abbiati --------------
Pancaro - Nesta - Coloccini - Serginho
---- Rino --- Ambro ---- Dhorasoo
------- Rui -------- Seedorf ------
------------ Crespo --------------
FORZA MILAN!!!
Thanks, for the formation.
Milan starts the match better.....no big chances so far.
Grosso comes close for Palermo! still 0-0
both teams pushing forward, very even match so far....
now Milan comes close with Crespo! still 0-0
dude, you should go support juventus. they are running a great business i admit, vialli, ravanelli, baggio, vieri, yes, they are making money and juventus as a team still plays well and wins cups, but that hurt!
we need somebody like simic! he seldom gets the chance to play, yet he could be ready when needed (now that he is injured, it is different, but you know what i mean). milan is like a family, not a pure business. everybody seems to like mesto, but he is not here yet. until he is one of us, i won't support him. we need people like simic, kaladze, ambrosini, rui, jdt who are able to deliver and yet happy to wait on the bench. on the full right back, puyol is even better, much better than simic, or mesto, but will he be happy to start from the bench? i don't think so.
simic/ambrosini/abbiati/rui/jdt/kk/..., stars like them who are dedicated to milan and don't complain, are the difference that make us stronger than real madrid, and what makes milan so much supported and loved. :proud:
the thing that makes milan special is that they dun sell their playes like inter n juve, and i love em for that but simic has nothing to offer us n he is injured, he isnt young either n he has naver been a main component at milan like amldini, inzaghi ect. so wut is the point of keepin him if he never plays n is injured , jus to pay salary? n we have colocinni that cud play as cafu's sub in coppa italia games.
kaladze-----maldini--nesta-----cafu
(pancaro)---(billy)---(stam)---(colo)
Where does simic fit in this?? clearly we have a back up for all positions n there is no point of keepin sum1 in the bench for no reason.
Lombardia
20-11-2004, 15:47
i'm watching the game, but the supporters have let off those gas cannisters and its impossible to see any attacking moves by either team. crespo went close but just cos the commentator said so, hopefully it will clear up soon
The majority of best players are rested.
first yellow card for a Palermo player.....both teams came close once so far, still an even match...
Giovanni
20-11-2004, 15:54
Crespo seems more brilliant..thanks god! he SEEMS to be awakening
Dhorasoo tries hard but he's not very effective
Coloccini is better as a central def, he has been very solid so far
Seedorf good so far
Rui out of the game
The most positive thing is a good and quick Crespo...i will be the first to eat humble pie on him if this means Milan's sake
the thing that makes milan special is that they dun sell their playes like inter n juve, and i love em for that but simic has nothing to offer us n he is injured, he isnt young either n he has naver been a main component at milan like amldini, inzaghi ect. so wut is the point of keepin him if he never plays n is injured , jus to pay salary? n we have colocinni that cud play as cafu's sub in coppa italia games.
According to this theory, then Inzaghi should be sold too.
1) He is 'old'
2) He doesn't do anything this year. (OK I let you coutn the Celtic game)
And please check my previous post too.
Crespo seems more brilliant..thanks god! he SEEMS to be awakening
Dhorasoo tries hard but he's not very effective
Coloccini is better as a central def, he has been very solid so far
Seedorf good so far
Rui out of the game
The most positive thing is a good and quick Crespo...i will be the first to eat humble pie on him if this means Milan's sake
You gotta eat a lot of words by the end of the season Giovanni haha...
anyway, I finish my composition nevertheless... thx for your 'help' :)
yellow card for Coloccini...
Nesta great as usual
According to this theory, then Inzaghi should be sold too.
"Paulo Inzaghi out of the squad"? ;)
hitmannq8
20-11-2004, 15:58
heading towards a dull 0-0
where can i watch game online?
"Paulo Inzaghi out of the squad"? ;)
how dare you misspell the first name?! it is Paolo!
Giovanni
20-11-2004, 16:01
Nesta clear the defence with a bycicle kick..a gem
ps. IT'S NOT A DULL MATCH..there's a lot of fight from both sides and a great crowd..Palermo never disappoint
heading towards a dull 0-0
where can i watch game online?
same question here, and i doubt there will be answer. :broken:
how dare you misspell the first name?! it is Paolo!
Hahahaha :D :D :D :D Indeed it is. Or was it Fabio?
Palermo comes close! Zauli looking dangerous...
Hahahaha :D :D :D :D Indeed it is. Or was it Fabio?
i kind of miss him.. or is jure a "her"? :ilol:
Giovanni
20-11-2004, 16:09
Dhorasoo : very good match so far..he's very short but very quick and dribble players with ease
I`m hearin dat Crespo`s doing good.
Match isn`t showing in Canada.
Dhorasoo : very good match so far..he's very short but very quick and dribble players with ease
kinda off-topic, yet i am wondering whether there is (was) any very short football players who are (were) not good at dribbling. of course, i am talking about known players here, not just normal guys. otherwise, i can easily find a handful.. :D
will appreciate an answer. :smileani:
I`m hearin dat Crespo`s doing good.
Match isn`t showing in Canada.
here in united states, life is much easier. i don't even dream. :dontkn:
first half finishes......good match so far, though not very exciting. Both teams had a couple of chances, but nothing too big. Looks like Nesta and Dhorasoo were our best players so far. FORZA MILAN!!! Come on Hernan!!
Giovanni
20-11-2004, 16:26
I want Esajas on the pitch..he would be the first dishwasher to play in Milan hystory :D
Lombardia
20-11-2004, 16:31
I want Esajas on the pitch..he would be the first dishwasher to play in Milan hystory :D
isn't that what roque does now?
Giovanni
20-11-2004, 16:33
isn't that what roque does now?
roque has become a notorious tranny for upper class people :bri:
Lombardia
20-11-2004, 16:33
roque has become a notorious tranny for upper class people :bri:
how did you find out? where you one of his clients?
second half starts! no changes for Milan so far.....in Palermo, Morrone in, Adriano out........FORZA MILAN!!!
Giovanni
20-11-2004, 16:39
how did you find out? where you one of his clients?
:d55: :d55: :d55: :d55: :bri:
Giovanni
20-11-2004, 16:43
CRESPO!!! excellent goal
0-1
HERNAaAAAAAAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FOOOOOoRRRZAAA MILAAAAN!!!!!
According to this theory, then Inzaghi should be sold too.
1) He is 'old'
2) He doesn't do anything this year. (OK I let you coutn the Celtic game)
And please check my previous post too.
if u hadnt noticed, we onli have 3 strikers n we cud use another one, inzaghi cud easily start alongside crespo or b eithe jdts or crespos backup in february, whho is simic goin to be? colo's backup. another thing is that inzaghi was the main reason we won cl in 03 n he deserves to play for milan for the rest of his career for everything he has done, he mite not b a starter but he cud play as a backup. simic hasnt done anything to earn that kind of respect.
nice goal!!!
how was it scored??? :D
yess crospooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i hope he scores many many many more
Giovanni
20-11-2004, 16:51
seedorf crosses and crespo calmly put the ball in the corner in semi volley
Dhorasoo playing really good football :cool: .....this goal will hopefully mean a lot to Crespo and push him forward, Forza Hernan!!
crespo scored. i predicted that. :rone:
damn it, i just found out the other scorer for us will be brocchi (according to my prediction). why isn't he playing??? :wallbang:
i guess it is too late already. but may i change it to dhorasoo? i made that prediction very long time ago. this afternoon, before the match began, i thought of it, but then i thought who i put was dhorasoo instead of brocchi.
may i change my prediction to dhorasoo? you know he hasn't scored yet, so it is still a prediction. please? :drool: i won't hate you if it is not ok. :2whis:
Giovanni
20-11-2004, 16:59
indeed dhorasoo is playing well
GOOOOOOOOOOOOALLLLLLLL seedorf
GOOOOOoOOOOAAAAAAALLLL!!!!
Clarence!!!!! :firedev:
FORZA MILAN!!!!!
Dhorasoo playing really good football :cool: .....this goal will hopefully mean a lot to Crespo and push him forward, Forza Hernan!!Yeah I think this is wat he needed...that 1 goal to push him forward.
mod, please forget about what i wrote. i stick with brocchi scoring for us. who knows that won't happen? :D nothing is impossible, right?
Why doesn't Dhorasoo play more often?
And as soon as we play a balanced midfield even Crespo starts scoring!!
Resultwise this looks so far our best game of the season. 2-0 away at a decent Serie A side.
Giovanni
20-11-2004, 17:01
i was plaising dhorasoo then i hear some noise from the tv and one moment later he makes the assist for a lonely seedorf who shoots from inside the box and beat the keeper
i won't hate you if it is not ok. :2whis:
I am glad, because it is not ok :D
predictions cannot be changed once the match starts.
I think Crespo came close to score his second just before Seedorf scored....FORZA MILAN!!!
indeed dhorasoo is playing well
GOOOOOOOOOOOOALLLLLLLL seedorf
GOOOOOoOOOOAAAAAAALLLL!!!!
Clarence!!!!! :firedev:
FORZA MILAN!!!!!
now you are confusing me. which one scored??
:D
Damn I wanna c this gameee! :(
hitmannq8
20-11-2004, 17:04
how was seedorfs goal
yellow card for Sergio, Pirlo is warming up....
Mark this posting (Bayman saying positive things):
Today I really like Milan. Even w/o our best 2 players (Sheva, Cafu) we are convincing.
Playing a balanced midfield is the key!!
hitmannq8
20-11-2004, 17:06
i just read that dhorassoo assisted seedorf's goal and was involved in the set-up for the first goal!! omgggggg i think he should play more than how much ambro does for the first team
Palermo comes close! still 2-0 for us...
Forza Crespo
Forza Seedorf
PS: eto scored for barca.
Barca 1-0 Real 32'
Giovanni
20-11-2004, 17:06
Damn I wanna c this gameee! :(
in my flat there's room enuff :crazy: :w262:
Mark this posting (Bayman saying positive things):
Today I really like Milan. Even w/o our best 2 players (Sheva, Cafu) we are convincing.
Playing a balanced midfield is the key!!
:D:D:D:D:D
:D :D
[QUOTE=Goirre
I think Crespo came close to score his second just before Seedorf scored....FORZA MILAN!!![/QUOTE]
That`s what they say on acmilan.com
.....Crespo just fails to meet a low cross from Seedorf.....
:rone:
Finally someone other then Sheva scores..The press was pissing me off with the 'one man' team thing. And it was all about Sheva.
"Sheva vs Juventus"
"Milan can`t win without Sheva"
Forza Crespo
Forza Seedorf
PS: eto scored for barca.
Barca 1-0 Real 32'
are they playing already? i thought it is tomorrow. damn it, who cares anyway? :D
in my flat there's room enuff :crazy: :w262:
LoL..
I was sorta worried about today'z..but things seem to be going fine. :beer:
Goal Palermo, Toni....2-1 for us
Giovanni
20-11-2004, 17:10
toni damn
1-2
abbiati, gone catching butterflies, miss the ball and toni scores with a precise header in the far low corner
what teh hell? they scored against us?
Well even a balanced midfield won't wipe out Abbiati's bloopers.
Why this guy isn't sold is beyond me!!??
Nooooooo! They can`t equalize!
Palermo really pushing forward now!
Forza MILAN!!!
toni damn
1-2
abbiati, gone catching butterflies, miss the ball and toni scores with a precise header in the far low corner
you are kidding about the butterfly part, right? 'cause i do remember when we played merda, abbiati was picking up an orange from the pitch when the bastard (simeone?) scored a free-kick. :mad:
How long before the end of the game?
Giovanni
20-11-2004, 17:14
you are kidding about the butterfly part, right? 'cause i do remember when we played merda, abbiati was picking up an orange from the pitch when the bastard (simeone?) scored a free-kick. :mad:
ahhahahahaha
it's a typical italian say that is used when someone that has soemthing to do goes elsewhere doing something else
and i predicted 0-2! damn toni :mad:
8 minutes to go....Pirlo in, Dhorasoo out
Milan looking dangerous again.....Forza MILAN!!!
Giovanni
20-11-2004, 17:17
milan close to the third goal
pancaro crosses from the right flank but the cross is too high for crespo for few centimeters/inches
toni almost scores with a header
will pirlo score some goal? bayman is holding his breath.. :rollani:
:D
few minutes left, our defense is having lot of work to do in these last minutes....great display by Nesta, but what's new with that?
hitmannq8
20-11-2004, 17:20
meanwhile barca are 2-0 up through gio
Giovanni
20-11-2004, 17:21
totally excellent match from coloccini and dhorasoo..very well done to crespo..i will be very very happy to eat humble pie and be proved wrong if this means the good for our team
2 more minutes of extra time are going to be played....Palermo pushing forward
meanwhile barca are 2-0 up through gio
Yeah I know eh...They shuld bring Owen in.
YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! FORZA MILAN...I think my prediction was right...well Ok I thought Sheva wwould score..I didn`t know he wouldn`t be playin..I found out like 10minutes after.
i kept saying dhorasso is good for milan but a lot didn't buy that. now he proved himself :)
Match is over. 2-1 for us with Seedorf and Crespo both scoring. Great job by our team. From what I heard in the radio, Dhorasoo and Nesta were our best players. Seedorf, Colo and Crespo did a great job too!
Giovanni
20-11-2004, 17:24
ladies and gentleman, i'm off cause in italy it's 2300 pm and the sat night is about to begin
cheers everyone i'm off going to have a bunch of drinks and good muzic
c u
Why I dislike Galliani and Ancelotti was showcased today!!
This was for big parts our best game of the season against a decent Serie A team away. And our 3 best players weren't even on the pitch (cafu, Kaka, Sheva).
The key is a balanced midfield. From our central midfielders Dhorasoo is skillwise second to only Seedorf. This way you win your games week in, week out.
Seen his through ball to Seedorf (2-0), simple yet highly effective....simply PLAYING football, no 40m grenades.
And now to Ancelotti and Galliani..
why he never given Dhorasoo a DECENT chance before and played/tried a balanced midfield? Why do they always keep (and even reject world-class players to keep em) average perfprmers (Ambro, Abbiati) and at the same time want good players out (Dhorasoo, who today played better than Ambro in any match this season)? And even publically anounce it, to rob him of his self-confidence?
==> Galliani is a brillant businessman and negotiator but footballing wise Silvio or Braida should take control again....
Dhorasoo and Nesta were our best players. Nesta, Colo and Crespo did a great job too!
how many nesta(s) do we have? like inzaghi or cannavaro? :D
seriously, do imagine that we have two nesta here. :lick: can't help drooling...
Lombardia
20-11-2004, 17:37
ratings imo
abbiati(gk):5 mucked up for the goal, little else to do during the game
serginho (lb):5.5 did ok but didn't shine and final ball was poor and he was a bit greedy aswell
pancaro(rb):6one great cross which crespo nearly scored on, apart from that nothing much
coloccini(cb):6 ok performance but doesn't read the game as well as our other defenders
nesta(cb)7.5: great performance, nice dribbles great tackles the usual
seedorf(rm):7,5 nice goal and deserved for his perfomance was a threat all night, much better for the dutchman
DHORASSO(lm):8MOM: He played outstanding, he dribbled past opponents with ease, good strength, won the ball, played a nice thru pass for crespo, he looked like a top class milan player.
gattuso(cm):6,5 typically tigerish display
ambrosini(cm)6,5 he along with gattuso controlled the midfield for most of the game
rui costa(acm)4, very very poor, lots of wasted passes, poor control terrible shots and crosses over hit, possibly the worst game i've seen him play for milan. lets hope for better in the upcoming weeks
crespo(st):7 much much better, well taken goal and his movement was excellent, a couple more games like this and finally we might have another striker who can score on a regular basis.
Hopefully, Crespo getting a goal will turn his and our season around. I bet we dont sign anyone :diablo:
Giovanni
20-11-2004, 17:38
lomba: too harsh on coloccini the guy is 21 y o..needs time to learn from his masters at the Ministry of Defense
simic hasnt done anything to earn that kind of respect.
That's what I told you to do. Go back, see all the games SIMIC played for Milan (AND YES HE DID PLAY DARN IT) when he first came. The year when we won the champion league.
Simic played a whole season as right back, and it was when we won the CL. Unlucky for him carlo changed to R.Junior for the final :devs:
Why I dislike Galliani and Ancelotti was showcased today!!
This was for big parts our best game of the season against a decent Serie A team away. And our 3 best players weren't even on the pitch (cafu, Kaka, Sheva).
The key is a balanced midfield. From our central midfielders Dhorasoo is skillwise second to only Seedorf. This way you win your games week in, week out.
Seen his through ball to Seedorf (2-0), simple yet highly effective....simply PLAYING football, no 40m grenades.
And now to Ancelotti and Galliani..
why he never given Dhorasoo a DECENT chance before and played/tried a balanced midfield? Why do they always keep (and even reject world-class players to keep em) average perfprmers (Ambro, Abbiati) and at the same time want good players out (Dhorasoo, who today played better than Ambro in any match this season)? And even publically anounce it, to rob him of his self-confidence?
==> Galliani is a brillant businessman and negotiator but footballing wise Silvio or Braida should take control again....
I would call Bman an opportunistist. If an entreprenur knows where is money hidding, Bman knows when to jump in to make his comment.
now the problem is:
Dhorasoo, Colo, Abbiati, Ambro... they are ALL playing just for ONE game... and you are giving your 'how we should play throughout the year' just based on ONE SINGLE game...
I'm not saying you are wrong, but with our 'unbalanced team', according to you, we can still sit at top of CL group, 2nd in Serie A.
Now ask yourself, and let us ask ourselves, will you want to play this team in a CL game against Barcelona, where we have a BALANCED midfield?
zlatanov
20-11-2004, 17:50
That's what I told you to do. Go back, see all the games SIMIC played for Milan (AND YES HE DID PLAY DARN IT) when he first came. The year when we won the champion league.
I have always liked players like Simic who when given the chance give their best for the team. He may not be a Nesta or a Stam or a Maldini but has always done his best for Milan and has never complained and for this he deserves our respect too.
Statements like that Martin made are a disgrace for any TRUE Milan fan.
Now ask yourself, and let us ask ourselves, will you want to play this team in a CL game against Barcelona, where we have a BALANCED midfield?
Put in our three best (Sheva, Cafu, Kaka) and Dida and my answer is YES!
Dida
Cafu Nesta Maldini/Stam Pancaro
Dhorasoo gattuso Seedorf
Kaka
Sheva Crespo
Alternative:
Pirlo
Kaka Sheva
upfront.
zlatanov
20-11-2004, 17:52
I would call Bman an opportunistist. If an entreprenur knows where is money hidding, Bman knows when to jump in to make his comment.
now the problem is:
Dhorasoo, Colo, Abbiati, Ambro... they are ALL playing just for ONE game... and you are giving your 'how we should play throughout the year' just based on ONE SINGLE game...
I'm not saying you are wrong, but with our 'unbalanced team', according to you, we can still sit at top of CL group, 2nd in Serie A.
Now ask yourself, and let us ask ourselves, will you want to play this team in a CL game against Barcelona, where we have a BALANCED midfield?
Why do you even comment his posts, he is Bayman, after all. After a couple of hours on this forum and anyone should already be able to predict what he would be posting next.
Put in our three best (Sheva, Cafu, Kaka) and Dida and my answer is YES!
Dida
Cafu Nesta Maldini/Stam Pancaro
Dhorasoo gattuso Seedorf
Kaka
Sheva Crespo
Alternative:
Pirlo
Kaka Sheva
upfront.
Ok Bman. I think we shall engage in some more constructive reasoning rather than just saying how it is. We are not playing CM/FM here (not like someone who don't think)... I'll get back to you later, probably in another thread that I"m going to open. So 'stay in touch'...
zlatanov
20-11-2004, 17:55
Going back 3-4 months, I believe there was a whole bunch of people here pouring sh_itty comments about what a pointless transfer Dhorasoo was. I believe they are about to do some major eating of .... words.
Same goes for the Crespo "supporters" branding themselves as Milan fans.
Why do you even comment his posts, he is Bayman, after all. After a couple of hours on this forum and anyone should already be able to predict what he would be posting next.
The reason is that what he says do make sense to certain extent, only always at the wrong time. He is, fortunately, not like THOSE who don't even look at the past few years and make some goddam comments.
Going back 3-4 months, I believe there was a whole bunch of people here pouring sh_itty comments about what a pointless transfer Dhorasoo was. I believe they are about to do some major eating of .... words.
Same goes for the Crespo "supporters" branding themselves as Milan fans.
In my opinion, it's still too early to say. However, (I'm not sure if you have already joined).....
I remembered those days when Sheva was having a bad period after injury. That's the year when we won the CL. Sheva was heavily criticized and someone actually said sell him.
Now they eat their words.
how many nesta(s) do we have? like inzaghi or cannavaro? :D
seriously, do imagine that we have two nesta here. :lick: can't help drooling...
haha, good observation, fixed it now (just to avoid confusion :grinser: )
hitmannq8
20-11-2004, 17:59
simic deserves a big hug and som nice flowers
(Edited as I will not accept the original statement towards any Milan player :gun: )
RossoneriRio
20-11-2004, 18:09
Finally crespo scores. At least now he will regain some confidence and help out sheva in the normal serie A fixtures. Well, u ppl seem to say a lot abt Dhorasoo. I didn see him play yet. I guess from u ppl's opinion he must have played well. Waiting for the highlights....
simic should die
where the hell you think you are to say something like that? :wth:
Simic played a very important role in one of our most successful seasons in recent times, then Cafu came and got his place, and the guy simply accepted this without complaining and continued working hard for whenever Carlo decides to give him a chance....there is nothing to critize him for.
Now, if you think he is a bad player and deserves to be sold, say so, many people won't agree with you but you are entitled to your opinion. However, you better watch your mouth and keep these type of statements (like the one I quoted) to yourself.
fricking incredible.... :wallbang:
hitmannq8
20-11-2004, 18:17
where the hell you think you are to say something like that? :wth:
Simic played a very important role in one of our most successful seasons in recent times, then Cafu came and got his place, and the guy simply accepted this without complaining and continued working hard for whenever Carlo decides to give him a chance....there is nothing to critize him for.
Now, if you think he is a bad player and deserves to be sold, say so, many people won't agree with you but you are entitled to your opinion. However, you better watch your mouth and keep these type of statements (like the one I quoted) to yourself.
fricking incredible.... :wallbang:
simic deserves a big hug and som nice flowers simic deserves a big hug and som nice flowers simic deserves a big hug and som nice flowers simic deserves a big hug and som nice flowers simic deserves a big hug and som nice flowers simic deserves a big hug and som nice flowers simic deserves a big hug and som nice flowers simic deserves a big hug and som nice flowers simic deserves a big hug and som nice flowers simic deserves a big hug and som nice flowers
(Edited as I will not accept the original statement against ANY Milan player :rr30: )
hitmannq8
20-11-2004, 18:19
Finally crespo scores. At least now he will regain some confidence and help out sheva in the normal serie A fixtures. Well, u ppl seem to say a lot abt Dhorasoo. I didn see him play yet. I guess from u ppl's opinion he must have played well. Waiting for the highlights....
Highlights where??
simic should die simic should die simic should die simic should die simic should die simic should die simic should die ........
I see what your game is. Consider this an official warning. If you wish further disciplinary action to be taken against you, feel free to continue with your childish behavior.
ACMILAN1983
20-11-2004, 18:40
Well, I'm glad Dhorasoo has played well, means my faith in him was right.
Also great to see knew scorers, JDT and Crespo should gain a LOT of confidence.
Good result, unlike Roma and Juve ;)
Great to hear of both Crespo's and Dhorasoo's performances. Now both Crespo and Tomasson have scored in the last week. Hopefully this will mean some goal in the Serie A as well.
I agree with Baymans analysis in a short term perspective. Let D'horasoo play and either move Pirlo up to Kaka's or bench him. Long term I still feel that the dimond is our best alternative for the midfield. It is allways nice to have options though.
Whoah whats all this about simic deserving flowers :u56: hilarious. The guys no Cafu, but hes never been awful, if anything hes been pretty reliable.
Baymans analysis is becoming a feature on this forum :D The thing is bayman obviously feels the midfield is unbalanced with Pirlo. Yeah maybe hes a little risky with the ball at times, but its worth it. he pulls assists from out of no where :w200: No way should he be replaced by Dhorosso or anyone else. Look how sheva has exploded this season , well just wait the time will come where Pirlo does the same. Just look at Xavi at Barca, he always showed huge potential, but is only now really fulfilling it. Pirlo is as far as Im concerned already performing and can only get better. As far as Dharosso goes, he has the tools to be a very important squad player, but is he really gonna start a CL final for example. Who would you drop for him, apart from Pirlo that is :1d31: I would like to see him move up the pecking order infront of Ambro and when Seedorf decides to have his bad spells substitute him.
p.s. Johan Cruyyf called Pirlo the greatest deep lying playmaker in the world :gonova:
i shudnt have said simic didn do anything for us but i dun think there is any use for him in this club. he isnt that young anymore n there is no point of keepin him, i wud rather get sum1 like colo to back up cafu next season n we cud sell simic like we sold laursen. simic wud profit bcuz he wud b a starter and we wud get around 2 million. congratz to crespo n dhorasso
i shudnt have said simic didn do anything for us but i dun think there is any use for him in this club. he isnt that young anymore n there is no point of keepin him, i wud rather get sum1 like colo to back up cafu next season n we cud sell simic like we sold laursen. simic wud profit bcuz he wud b a starter and we wud get around 2 million. congratz to crespo n dhorasso
Boy....
I don't know about ENglish but...
if you say 'didn't' means in the past he NEVEr helps us with anything.
And just to make everything peaceful here...
GO BACK AND WATCH THE CL GAMES HE PLAYED. DON"T FREAKING MAKE UNSUPPORTED STATEMENT.
Obviously... either you don't look at what people (like me) are posting or simply you have no desire to prove what you say, and the reason is simple. You can't back what you say up.
how many games has simic played this season?
how many games has simic played this season?
none due to injuries....and due to the recent surgery he had he won't be playing for the next 3 months, just like Stam and SuperPippo.
Martin, Simic is no starting material, I think almost everyone agrees with that, but he is a reliable sub who is happy with his role in the club.....if he didn't play so far is because of injuries, almost like Stam and SuperPippo. So why get rid of him? A team needs players like Simic, Brocchi, Dhorasoo, etc, who accept their role in the club, train hard and, although rarely given a chance to play, perform when called upon (although I agree we should see more of Dhorasoo).
yea i agree with u but cafu is gettin old and he will not b able to play at the same pace he plays now, i think it wud b better to bring in a young replacement in now so that he can gain some experience and understand the game. jus like colo is learnin the game by playin alongside nesta n maldini. imo it wud b better to buy sum1 with perspective now n try n jell him with our defense so that wen cafu slows down he can play for us instead of waitin till cafu slows down n then buyin a raplacement for him.
ACMILAN1983
20-11-2004, 21:11
HAHAHAHA!!! Henrik, I love the edit you made to Hitmanq's post :grinser:
BaggioForever
20-11-2004, 21:14
woohoooo!!~~ Crespo scores!!~~....waited for god d*** long for this occasion!!~ but i din catch the match :frustrat: (Coppa not very important in my country!!~~ ) soo please post some highlights guys~
n im glad dhorasoo played well too!~~ too bad he didnt score...or else he could well take over Kaka's place!!~ :delol: :guw:
anyway what all those commotion bout simic?..he played well yesterday rite?..den y does he still receive so many criticism?.. the fact like many TRUE milanistas have already stated..players whom r willing to accept their roles as a sub and comes on to play their very best is essential for a team to pull through the long intriguing season....i bet if we were to bring in some super star whom cant accept the fact tt there is sum1 in the starting 11 better den him to warm the bench..he would'nt play his best when called upon...sum may say y not try to buy the superstar 1st..MAYBE he can accept the fact?...but y try new players when the old ones are doing brilliantly?.. I am glad Dhorasoo ,Brocchi, Simic and Colo pulled a good performance for us...they r the backbone of Milan and without them...Milan WILL crumple! :sagrin:
so FORZA DHOR, BROC, SIM, COLO!!!!!~~~
yea i agree with u but cafu is gettin old and he will not b able to play at the same pace he plays now, i think it wud b better to bring in a young replacement in now so that he can gain some experience and understand the game. jus like colo is learnin the game by playin alongside nesta n maldini. imo it wud b better to buy sum1 with perspective now n try n jell him with our defense so that wen cafu slows down he can play for us instead of waitin till cafu slows down n then buyin a raplacement for him.
I personally think that we are all set for the right back position both for this and next season....Cafu, Stam, Pancaro and Simic can all play there. I am optimistic Cafu will have at least one more season ater this one at his usual high level. Stam can always switch from center to right when needed. Simic can be the reliable sub for these two great player for that position. Our problem right now is that both Stam and Simic had surgery and are unavailable. But we have in Pancaro another good option, as we saw today against Palermo (I didn't watch the match, but I heard he played a good match).
When the time comes, a new right back will be bought. Until then, we have enough depth in that position and shouldn't buy, nor sell, anyone. I do see your point when you say a young replacement could be bought now so he starts gaining more experience for when his times comes, I understand and respect your opinion. But whether it is for good or bad (that's another discussion) Milan doesn't usually buy young players who can gain experience in order to replace someone some years from now, but rather, Milan usually buys players who are proven and who can immediately make a contribution to the team. Whether you agree or not with Milan's transfer policy it's another history, and either way, there is no reason to ask for Simic to be sold.
I am glad Dhorasoo ,Brocchi, Simic and Colo pulled a good performance for us...they r the backbone of Milan and without them...Milan WILL crumple! :sagrin:
so FORZA DHOR, BROC, SIM, COLO!!!!!~~~
I am glad you support Simic, but I should point to you that he is injured and unavailable for the next three months due to a surgery he just had....and so he didn't play against Palermo. :)
Cool!!! Crespo score and Dhorasoo assistance !!:firedev: :firedev:
hope they'll play better in the future
yes thats tru stam, pancaro can play in cafus position too but we dun noe yet if pancaro will return to milan next year n wen i say we need sum1 to b cafu's sub and understudy, i mean sum1 that plays his of style of soccer, ex:mancini. stam isnt as effecient as cafu wen goin up n neither is simic so if cafu got injured then all our attacks from right flank wud stop
BaggioForever
20-11-2004, 21:48
I am glad you support Simic, but I should point to you that he is injured and unavailable for the next three months due to a surgery he just had....and so he didn't play against Palermo. :)
:v46: my mistake~... but still.....
FORZA DHOR, BROC, COLO!!!!!~~~ :sagrin:
yes thats tru stam, pancaro can play in cafus position too but we dun noe yet if pancaro will return to milan next year n wen i say we need sum1 to b cafu's sub and understudy, i mean sum1 that plays his of style of soccer, ex:mancini. stam isnt as effecient as cafu wen goin up n neither is simic so if cafu got injured then all our attacks from right flank wud stop
well, I barely had the chance to watch Stam playing, so I can't comment on his right back's abilities. But my point is, whatever you think the problem is, selling Simic won't fix anything, but will instead hurt the team......for even if he doesn't play much, his presence is important. Now, IF Milan was to buy someone else to cover Cafu, ONLY THEN can we talk about selling Simic (note that I say "sell him" and not "get rid of him"....big difference!)...and if that happens, we should thank him for what he did for us (very important role in our CL year and reliable sub for years after) and not dismiss his contribution to the team like you did.
rossoneroid
20-11-2004, 22:22
Congrats to Hernan. No coppa italia live tv coverage here :(
i ment sell him of course not give him away for free, but if we sold him n with sum of the money we get from that deal n we add a lil then we can buy mesto for next season, then wenever cafu needs to rest or is injured, we have a good young sub for him. and we have thanked him by keepin him in our squad. n even with him in our squad, once stam gets back, simic wont even b able to start in coppa italia games
when I point the difference between "selling him" and "getting rid of him" I don't mean money-wise, but rather, I would prefer to sell a player that served the club very well because he is no more in the coach's plans, and so he can get more first team action in some other team, rather than "getting rid of him" (as some people like to say) as if he is some kind of plague. Simic contributed a lot to the team and still does, even if not by playing, but his presence is important. If the time comes for him to leave then we should all remember his great contribution, and not dismiss it, like some people seem to do, that's all I want to say, I don't want to get into "transfers discussions".
i ment sell him of course not give him away for free, but if we sold him n with sum of the money we get from that deal n we add a lil then we can buy mesto for next season, then wenever cafu needs to rest or is injured, we have a good young sub for him. and we have thanked him by keepin him in our squad. n even with him in our squad, once stam gets back, simic wont even b able to start in coppa italia games
1st: You still haven't gone to watch the videos that he played in CL. I don't blame you, probably you may not have it.
2nd: Boy this is not CM. Milan doesn't need the $$$ that he sold to buy another player. It's NOT LIKE THIS. Real money don't just go like this.
3rd: And who do you think will buy Simic anyway?
As I say, getting too much CM/FM is not too good. You may wish to keep saying Cafu old. But I thought we should consider more of the DC position then, IF your theory that 'Cafu is old' is true. After all, our dear captain is older than Cafu, and Maldini has been THE single EVERY starter this year for almost all matches.
How about this? We shall sell Captain because he is old. He cannot contribute anything to Milan anymore because he is old. Find another good, YOUNG center defender........
Boy this is just ridiculous.
:v46: my mistake~... but still.....
FORZA DHOR, BROC, COLO!!!!!~~~ :sagrin:
brocchi didn't play either :tongue1:
For those who are still complaining about the Simic situation and transfer: He was traded from Inter for Umit. One of our better deals with our ugly cousins :)
I saw the whole game except some 5 mins when I turned over ot the Barca-Real game.
The first half was pretty dull with little chances at all, some halfchances, but nothing more. But Milan did one thing very well, we passed the ball around in defense and midfield and really tired out the Palermo players. I commented by halftime that we would take advantage of that in the second half and we did. Let me add that I also said Palermo would only be able to score on a dead ball situation and also there I was spot on (said on XT). First half Dhorasoo and Seedorf looked lively and Nesta was his usual greatness.
Second half. We looked better and the game more open and we ended scoring after a great teamgoal. Seedorf and Rui played the one-two with each other to put Seedorf clear on the side, he crossed in and Crespo hit a nice volley. Our second goal was all Dhorasoo, he won the ball in midfield, ran up and put Seedorf trough. Seedorf thundered a low shot that the keeper could have saved, but he failed and the second was a fact. And was all know Palermo needed a corner to score, not strange those are dangerous when they have a team full of giants and we have all those midgets. ;)
Palermo. Toni a danger, especially for Colo in the first half and on dead balls. Lamberto Zauli was worthless and only tried to dive. We won the midfield. Their defense did well in the air, but had problems on the ground.
Milan
Abbiati. 5.5. Wasn't really tested and still let in a goal.
Pancaro. 6. Did ok, solid, nothing in offense.
Colo. 6. also solid, had some problems in the first half, but improved in the second.
Nesta. 7.5. Really good, he just eliminated so many of their attacks. He was out to both the left and right to win the ball and press them out. A legend.
Serginho. 6. did really well in defense, if we exclude the silly kick that should have him sent off. He also moved up and had great forward runs. But he squandered them all with worthless crosses to noone.
Gattuso. 6.5. The "old" Gattuso could be seen in the second half, in the first he was decent in the second he was a lion.
Ambrosini. 6. did his job well, won quite some balls, didn't have a single forward pass...
Dhorasoo. 7.5. He is great on the ball and easily beat his opponent to create space several times. like most others in the first half he squandered the chances he created. But in the second he proved also more effective and got himself an assist. Looked tired and Carlo did the right thing in taking him out late.
Seedorf. 7. Did really well overall and scored. While he over the game mixed great things with bad things he ended up with a goal and a assist, we can't complain to much ;)
Rui Costa. 4. He was downright awful, he had maybe 2-3 things he did well, the rest was crazy. Lost the ball, crossed bad and so on.
Crespo. 6.5. Looked like he did in the last games in the first half and that got me worried. But his nice goal gave him confidence and his performance improved after that.
Seems like me and Lombardia saw the same match as our ratings is pretty similar. Thinking it over I could have give Ambro and Gattuso 0.5 more ;)
well, I barely had the chance to watch Stam playing, so I can't comment on his right back's abilities. But my point is, whatever you think the problem is, selling Simic won't fix anything, but will instead hurt the team......for even if he doesn't play much, his presence is important. Now, IF Milan was to buy someone else to cover Cafu, ONLY THEN can we talk about selling Simic (note that I say "sell him" and not "get rid of him"....big difference!)...and if that happens, we should thank him for what he did for us (very important role in our CL year and reliable sub for years after) and not dismiss his contribution to the team like you did.
I surerly won't agree. Selling Simic is not about fixing anything. Thing is that he is not used and not needed. We need several injuries for him to even get a chance. He is best in central defense, but it seems we will never use him there. As right fullback we have several players better than him.
It is best for Simic himself to change clubs, he need firsttime football and Milan don't need him. Wether we sell him or release him is not important, keeping hold to him is of no use IMO.
samzulsatriady0
21-11-2004, 09:11
Storm of the goal will became for rossoneri absolutely from Crespo
Viva Argentino !!!!!!
1st: You still haven't gone to watch the videos that he played in CL. I don't blame you, probably you may not have it.
2nd: Boy this is not CM. Milan doesn't need the $$$ that he sold to buy another player. It's NOT LIKE THIS. Real money don't just go like this.
3rd: And who do you think will buy Simic anyway?
As I say, getting too much CM/FM is not too good. You may wish to keep saying Cafu old. But I thought we should consider more of the DC position then, IF your theory that 'Cafu is old' is true. After all, our dear captain is older than Cafu, and Maldini has been THE single EVERY starter this year for almost all matches.
How about this? We shall sell Captain because he is old. He cannot contribute anything to Milan anymore because he is old. Find another good, YOUNG center defender........
Boy this is just ridiculous.
simic and maldini r two diffrent players. maldini has played his way into our hearts n is a fan faveroutie n the symbol of this team, even if maldini eventually became useless to us, i wud still keep him on the bench because he earned that by the impact he made durin the years he played with us but simic hasnt made that sort of impact. another thing is simic is useless to us now n it wud b better for him to go to an english club. everton expressed desire in buyin him n he is only 28/29 so it wudnt b hard for him to find an english club to go to. He wud also b a starter n he wud b happier
simic and maldini r two diffrent players. maldini has played his way into our hearts n is a fan faveroutie n the symbol of this team, even if maldini eventually became useless to us, i wud still keep him on the bench because he earned that by the impact he made durin the years he played with us but simic hasnt made that sort of impact. another thing is simic is useless to us now n it wud b better for him to go to an english club. everton expressed desire in buyin him n he is only 28/29 so it wudnt b hard for him to find an english club to go to. He wud also b a starter n he wud b happier
Maldini is not a bench player, he is a legend. He would retire before being on the bench.
It is best for Simic himself to change clubs, he need firsttime football and Milan don't need him. Wether we sell him or release him is not important, keeping hold to him is of no use IMO.
There is no point in discussing about what should be done about Simic this season, as it is highly unlikely he will be sold/released in January. So the question is if he will be useful for next season.....I will agree with your statement I quoted only IF Milan keeps Pancaro for next season (which is not for sure yet, his deal finishes at the end of the season), AND Milan buys another defender. But, assuming we don't buy anyone, but Pancaro stays, our defense will look like this:
Cafu (Simic) - Nesta (Coloccini) - Maldini (Stam) - Kaladze (Pancaro)
Stam and Pancaro himself are better right back alternatives than Simic, but still I don't see ourselves with just 7 defenders for next season, so Simic's presence will be still needed, just to give the coach more alternatives both in right and central defense....and all this assuming we keep Pancaro.
So as I said, unless we keep Pancaro AND buy another defender, IMO Simic will stay at Milan.
Anyway, none of this makes a difference when it comes to recognizing his important contribution to the team, especially in our CL season, which some seem to dismiss.
zlatanov
21-11-2004, 13:14
Maldini is not a bench player, he is a legend. He would retire before being on the bench.
Fully agree with you, Cris.
simic and maldini r two diffrent players. maldini has played his way into our hearts n is a fan faveroutie n the symbol of this team, even if maldini eventually became useless to us, i wud still keep him on the bench because he earned that by the impact he made durin the years he played with us but simic hasnt made that sort of impact. another thing is simic is useless to us now n it wud b better for him to go to an english club. everton expressed desire in buyin him n he is only 28/29 so it wudnt b hard for him to find an english club to go to. He wud also b a starter n he wud b happier
Martin, the more you comment on this SIMIC topic the more you dig yourself in rather than fix the mess you created.
If you are gonna get rid of every player who has NOT managed to match Maldini's impact on the team then Il Capitano would be playing alone for no one other than Baresi, Rivera, van Basten, and maybe, just maybe Sheva too, has come even close to doing it.
It is interesting to see that a Coppa Italia thread has generated so much discussion and emotion :)
i am usin a maldini as an example, another example cud b inzaghi billy gattuso sheva. "Maldini is not a bench player, he is a legend. He would retire before being on the bench." what is billy? isnt billy costacurta a legend, if so then y is he on the bench?
There is no point in discussing about what should be done about Simic this season, as it is highly unlikely he will be sold/released in January. So the question is if he will be useful for next season.....I will agree with your statement I quoted only IF Milan keeps Pancaro for next season (which is not for sure yet, his deal finishes at the end of the season), AND Milan buys another defender. But, assuming we don't buy anyone, but Pancaro stays, our defense will look like this:
Cafu (Simic) - Nesta (Coloccini) - Maldini (Stam) - Kaladze (Pancaro)
Stam and Pancaro himself are better right back alternatives than Simic, but still I don't see ourselves with just 7 defenders for next season, so Simic's presence will be still needed, just to give the coach more alternatives both in right and central defense....and all this assuming we keep Pancaro.
So as I said, unless we keep Pancaro AND buy another defender, IMO Simic will stay at Milan.
Anyway, none of this makes a difference when it comes to recognizing his important contribution to the team, especially in our CL season, which some seem to dismiss.
i am sure that he wont b sold in january."but still I don't see ourselves with just 7 defenders" so basically we r addin simic in so that we can have 1 extra defender n 1 more person to pay wages to , esp. if u alredy have 3 other defenders that can play in cafu's position( stam,pancaro,colo). another thing is if cafu gets injured u have no1 to fill in his spot that has the same characteristics as him, and simic does a worse job at rb then stam n pancaro. so what is the point of keepin him. i wud rather have a replacement for cafu that is young, good at goin up n crossin the ball rather then simic who is 29 and isnt very good at movin up with the ball
i am sure that he wont b sold in january."but still I don't see ourselves with just 7 defenders" so basically we r addin simic in so that we can have 1 extra defender n 1 more person to pay wages to , esp. if u alredy have 3 other defenders that can play in cafu's position( stam,pancaro,colo). another thing is if cafu gets injured u have no1 to fill in his spot that has the same characteristics as him, and simic does a worse job at rb then stam n pancaro. so what is the point of keepin him. i wud rather have a replacement for cafu that is young, good at goin up n crossin the ball rather then simic who is 29 and isnt very good at movin up with the ball
I think I said it already 2 or 3 times, but I'm gonna repeat it one more time. IF we keep Pancaro AND we buy one more defender, then Milan can consider selling/releasing Simic (which will hopefully benefit him by getting more first team action elsewhere). IF Pancaro leaves OR we don't buy any defenders for next season, it is MY OPINION that we will still need Simic. A team needs players like Simic, Brocchi, Dhorasoo, etc, who might not be as good as the ones they replace, but are still useful for whenever a 'first team player' needs to rest, or for "less important matches" (ie: Coppa matches), and besides they are happy with that role (very important!)....you can't expect 4, 5, 6 or even 7 defenders to do the job all season long....especially when among those you have players like Cafu, Maldini, Pancaro and even Stam who might not have the energy to play all matches due to age (yes, Cafu and especially San Paolo seem superhumans, but even they need to rest from time to time)...or any of them can unexpectedly get injured (like Stam right now).
Anyway, I personally think that we are going to buy a new defender for next season, not neccessarily young as you "request", but a new signing seems possible. I also think Pancaro will probably stay with us. So basically Simic might be able to leave...but that we won't know until the next summer...so kind of pointless to discuss it now and here. The main reason I started discussing this whole Simic thing was because you and some others seem to have forgotten how important Simic was for us during our CL season and seem to simply dismiss his contribution to the team.
Grande-Milan-DK
21-11-2004, 17:14
Highlights of the coppa match ? .. it seems it has been played with closed doors ;)
I think you can get the highlights here:
http://www.milanmania.com/forums/showthread.php?p=274796#post274796
didn't check them myself yet, I will though, I wanna see Crespo's first goal (of many to come ;) )
I think I said it already 2 or 3 times, but I'm gonna repeat it one more time. IF we keep Pancaro AND we buy one more defender, then Milan can consider selling/releasing Simic (which will hopefully benefit him by getting more first team action elsewhere). IF Pancaro leaves OR we don't buy any defenders for next season, it is MY OPINION that we will still need Simic. A team needs players like Simic, Brocchi, Dhorasoo, etc, who might not be as good as the ones they replace, but are still useful for whenever a 'first team player' needs to rest, or for "less important matches" (ie: Coppa matches), and besides they are happy with that role (very important!)....you can't expect 4, 5, 6 or even 7 defenders to do the job all season long....especially when among those you have players like Cafu, Maldini, Pancaro and even Stam who might not have the energy to play all matches due to age (yes, Cafu and especially San Paolo seem superhumans, but even they need to rest from time to time)...or any of them can unexpectedly get injured (like Stam right now).
Anyway, I personally think that we are going to buy a new defender for next season, not neccessarily young as you "request", but a new signing seems possible. I also think Pancaro will probably stay with us. So basically Simic might be able to leave...but that we won't know until the next summer...so kind of pointless to discuss it now and here. The main reason I started discussing this whole Simic thing was because you and some others seem to have forgotten how important Simic was for us during our CL season and seem to simply dismiss his contribution to the team.
exactly wut i been tryin to say, i never said that simic sux n i want him out, i said that i wud rather milan replace him and i suggested that we buy another defender who is young n play with the style of cafu so that wen cafu needs rests, he can play and cafu wont b missed as much. so y r u arguin with me? i never said we shud get rid of simic n not replace him with sum1
There is no point in discussing about what should be done about Simic this season, as it is highly unlikely he will be sold/released in January. So the question is if he will be useful for next season.....I will agree with your statement I quoted only IF Milan keeps Pancaro for next season (which is not for sure yet, his deal finishes at the end of the season), AND Milan buys another defender. But, assuming we don't buy anyone, but Pancaro stays, our defense will look like this:
Cafu (Simic) - Nesta (Coloccini) - Maldini (Stam) - Kaladze (Pancaro)
Stam and Pancaro himself are better right back alternatives than Simic, but still I don't see ourselves with just 7 defenders for next season, so Simic's presence will be still needed, just to give the coach more alternatives both in right and central defense....and all this assuming we keep Pancaro.
So as I said, unless we keep Pancaro AND buy another defender, IMO Simic will stay at Milan.
Anyway, none of this makes a difference when it comes to recognizing his important contribution to the team, especially in our CL season, which some seem to dismiss.
Sure, then do that. Had it been some important players to replace it had been a problem, but as it is it could open up for someone new to come into the squad. That could be beneficial since Stam and Maldini may have next season as their last in Milan.
Simic by next summer have been on the bench to long which means he is a even more of a wildcard than he already is. Also he loses his place in the national team, his confidence and so on if he just stays on as an reserve forever. The best choice for both is to part ways as I said.
For us to get a new reserve defender is not a problem at all, nor is getting two. Replacing starters on the other hand, are we sure Cafu will stay another season?
exactly wut i been tryin to say, i never said that simic sux n i want him out, i said that i wud rather milan replace him and i suggested that we buy another defender who is young n play with the style of cafu so that wen cafu needs rests, he can play and cafu wont b missed as much. so y r u arguin with me? i never said we shud get rid of simic n not replace him with sum1
why am I arguing with you?
ummmm...let me see:
get rid or simic, there is no point of keepin him cuz he never ever plays
'get rid of....' is a disrepectful way to talk about a player. I personally don't appreciate anyone being disrepectful to a Milan player that has been important to the team and that has never complained about being benched, but instead has continued working hard while waiting for his moment to come....after that it's the coach's decision to play him or not.
unrealistic about wut, gettin rid of simic? simic hasnt done anything at all n he has never helped us with ANYTHING....
He didn't do anything at all??? didn't help us with anything??? ...unless you missed the whole 2002/2003 season, and therefore missed all the great things Milan achieved in that season (with the help of Simic among others), then your statement is nothing but absurd.....easy to tell you don't like him...maybe that's the reason you want to "get rid of him"?
how many games has simic played this season?
you trying to use his injury against him....that's unfair to him.
so basically we r addin simic in so that we can have 1 extra defender n 1 more person to pay wages to
yes, we need that "extra defender", be Simic or someone else (you ever heard of squad depth?), and whether you like it or not, all players get paid.
So, after giving you these few examples, I wonder if you can still say this:
exactly wut i been tryin to say, i never said that simic sux n i want him out....
;)
anyway, it seems you changed your argument from "Simic sux, lets get rid of him" (something I don't agree with) to "it is better to replace him with someone else at the end of the season, both for his and Milan's sake" (something I mostly agree with). so I am glad you changed the way you think about him after our little discussion. Now lets wait and see what happens in the summer. And if he leaves because a good replacement comes, then great!, both for Milan and for himself, as he will be able to get more first team action elsewhere, and Milan will have a better alternative in defense......but we shouldn't forget so easily his contribution to the team. :)
Sure, then do that. Had it been some important players to replace it had been a problem, but as it is it could open up for someone new to come into the squad. That could be beneficial since Stam and Maldini may have next season as their last in Milan.
Simic by next summer have been on the bench to long which means he is a even more of a wildcard than he already is. Also he loses his place in the national team, his confidence and so on if he just stays on as an reserve forever. The best choice for both is to part ways as I said.
For us to get a new reserve defender is not a problem at all, nor is getting two. Replacing starters on the other hand, are we sure Cafu will stay another season?
If Milan buys someone else in defense, which I think will happen in the next summer, then Simic can leave. And that would benefit both him and Milan....so it's cool, seems like we agree here. But until that happens, or if Pancaro leaves at the end of the season, chances are Simic will stay....or else we will be left with only 6 or 7 defenders....not a good idea if you ask me ;) .....but anyway, there are better alternatives to Simic in the market, and chances are Milan will get one of them, and Simic will be able to leave, so lets just wait and see what happens....in the meantime Simic is staying put ;)
And yes, I think Cafu will have one more great season with us (besides this one), but then again, he might not be able to play as many matches as he is playing now, and that's why I hope Milan will keep this in mind and get some work done in the summer ;)
If Milan buys someone else in defense, which I think will happen in the next summer, then Simic can leave. And that would benefit both him and Milan....so it's cool, seems like we agree here. But until that happens, or if Pancaro leaves at the end of the season, chances are Simic will stay....or else we will be left with only 6 or 7 defenders....not a good idea if you ask me ;) .....but anyway, there are better alternatives to Simic in the market, and chances are Milan will get one of them, and Simic will be able to leave, so lets just wait and see what happens....in the meantime Simic is staying put ;)
And yes, I think Cafu will have one more great season with us (besides this one), but then again, he might not be able to play as many matches as he is playing now, and that's why I hope Milan will keep this in mind and get some work done in the summer ;)
Goirre.. .that's what I have been telling him to do... go back and watch some games that Simic had played for Milan in the 6th title CL year...
Obviously, this friend of mine hasn't done so yet.
BaggioForever
21-11-2004, 21:06
i would luv to watch milan's sixth CL title again...but where to get the clips?..
um yea i guess it wuz my fault bcuz i for got the impact he had on the team in 2003, after watchin cafu play, it feels like he has always been our right back. n i never said that simic is a bad player but that we didn reli have alot of use for him rite now n i thought it wud b better to replace him with a younger defender that plays like cafu n is good like him at goin up. sorry for sayin dum things such as " simic hasnt done anything at all n he has never helped us with ANYTHING...." n jeff as mcuh as i love milan, i have a life n exams to rite so i cant spend my whole day watchin milan's cl games in 2003 n its also hard for me to get them
Well... sometimes we tend to forget what people has done for us. Otherwise there wouldn't be so much familial tragedy.
yea, it's hard to get our '6th CL title' videos......in the meantime enjoy this season's CL matches, after all they will lead us to our 7th CL title :firedev:
yea, it's hard to get our '6th CL title' videos......in the meantime enjoy this season's CL matches, after all they will lead us to our 7th CL title :firedev:
I think I have all t hough haha :) Highlight only.
BaggioForever
22-11-2004, 04:06
I think I have all t hough haha :) Highlight only.
hey post up for us in another thread??...Will deeply appreciates it...unlike martin..i dun have much commitments and am able to enjoy our 6th CL title.. :grinser:
Wow am really glad that crespo has finally scored for milan, i hope this will be his turning point for his scoring ability
FORZA CRESPO FORZA MILAN :3band:
hey post up for us in another thread??...Will deeply appreciates it...unlike martin..i dun have much commitments and am able to enjoy our 6th CL title.. :grinser:
THe problem is I don't have a proper link to upload it.
I'll see if I"m able to do so.
Jeff
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