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10 days until this match....
We only need one point to assure our qualification to the next CL round. However, if we want to be first place of our group we need to get the same amount of point Barca does in the next two matches. Anyway, hard to predict our lineup with so many days to go for this match. 4 days after this match we play Chievo away in Serie A (while Juve visits X-team, aka Inter).
comments??
FORZA MILAN!!!
already decided to ignore the game at palermo? :D
i think inter's draw with cagliari was a good sign. i was hoping that they could make it. since this momentum will be so tough to break that juventus will end up at most with one point playing them, and inter will be at home.
already decided to ignore the game at palermo? :D
http://www.milanmania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17418
:D
Kurt Cobain
15-11-2004, 07:44
10 days until this match....
We only need one point to assure our qualification to the next CL round. However, if we want to be first place of our group we need to get the same amount of point Barca does in the next two matches.
comments??
FORZA MILAN!!!
I don't know whether is so important to be the first in the group stage. I mean we won't face Juve and Inter next round, some bad teams can survive until there and, in case we need to face some superpower, by February Milan will be really next to their peak (about 95%).
Of course I want the team to end in the first place, but you can be there and face Real Madrid or Arsenal in the ko stage. On the other hand, you can be second and play against Olympiakos or Kiev.
We may face Chelsea in the next round if Milan come in second.We shouldn't worry about who are our next opponents.Milan just have 2 concentrate on finding back their rhythm.The Champions League is a long tournament.Meanwhile,lets hope Ancelotti,Galliani and Berlusconi all decide 2 get a striker in January.
FORZA MILAN!
I don't know whether is so important to be the first in the group stage. I mean we won't face Juve and Inter next round, some bad teams can survive until there and, in case we need to face some superpower, by February Milan will be really next to their peak (about 95%).
Of course I want the team to end in the first place, but you can be there and face Real Madrid or Arsenal in the ko stage. On the other hand, you can be second and play against Olympiakos or Kiev.
that's right, so many things can happen from here until February. Actually, the only real advantage of being first place (besides being first to Barca ;) ) is that we would get to play first away in the second round...it's worth a shot, although it is not really that important, so from here until Next February Serie A remains our most important target. However, whatever team we field, we can defeat both Celtic and Shakthar, we can do it, so we will do it :dcool:
I think the best way Milan do is wining both game since we already beat
them and be in first place.why milan seek draw with Shakthar qulify
to 2 round and may face good team while we can beat shakter 1-0
and we will do that next wednesday and in Dec we will go
to scotland and play them and we already win 3-1 we will hopfuly reapt that and be in first place and be scure no matter what the draw will be
acmilan89
16-11-2004, 01:20
Again, I won't want Milan to play for a point. All three points are imperative against Shaktar Donesk. Looking at our recent matches and against Siena last Sunday, I can't say Milan has played the best football lately. And that's worrying and this may affect the mood of the players. This is the time that Milan should start shifting on full gear and remain so at least until the winter break. To be honest, the way Milan's playing lately makes me nervous.
hitmannq8
16-11-2004, 02:21
Makes me nervous as well seeing teams like Chelsea, Juve and Barca. Even Real are getting back to their best! I would really like to see Carlo field a combination of 1st-team and 2nd-team players for the remaining 2 champs leagues games. We need to win them both to get our first place booked, it is true, we need the first place to play the home game at home. I really do hope we don't face Chelsea next round, any other team would do. (I will pray to get Arsenal or Man utd!, to shutup all those Premiership supporters)
This is my hopeful lineup for Shakhtar:
Abbiati
Simic--Billy--Coloccini--Kaladze
------ Rui -------
Brocchi -- Seedorf (Serginho)
----- Dhorasoo ----
Crespo -- JDT
Seedorf and the 2 strikers should play to find some form. I hope the strikers,Kaladze and Dhorasoo play against Palermo as well. Then, if by then Kaka hasn't reached his peak yet, he should on for Dhorasoo as a sub.
I really hope we win. Have you guys noticed that we are like the worst team in Europe with Free kicks? We have absolutely crap free-kick takers. Pirlo's freekicks are either into wall or not on goal. If he scores its a 95% deflection. Sheva's free-kicks arent very useful, sometimes they are. Rui's freekicks are good, but he isnt on often. Seedorf i'd say is the best free kick taker (not the powerful shots, but the curve shots as well).. Do u guys remember how often Stam used to score from free-kicks? I hope he comes back soon enough to help us with our free-kicks. We haven't even scored from corners either, have we? Other than Sheva's 2nd goal against Siena, this season, i dont think we have! That's humiliating to have no set-pieces being scored and aiming high! :(..
ow damn i'll beg for a carlos tevez swap for either crespo or JDT.. i've seen both of them in top form, and neither is as good as tevez
BaggioForever
16-11-2004, 02:47
hmm y not face chelsea and gang earlier? i would wanna finish them off earlier in the stage than seeing them in the finals. To be afraid to face a stronger team is no excuse for a milanista~ :diablo: e diaviola will slay anyone who comes in his way.... :devf:
Forza Milan!!~
Kurt Cobain
16-11-2004, 07:00
When you play for a giant like Milan you need a winning mentality to survive. Whether we'll face Chelsea or PSG is not so important. In the ko stage, sooner or later we'll face a superpower because I definetely don't believe in a Porto vs. Monaco final again.
Milan met Ajax and Inter in the road to Manchester and Juve there. So this is not a new issue for most of the players.
Very interesting this statistic about free kicks, Hitmannq8. But it's rare to find a player who really know how to take them nowadays. I think by February, when I believe the team will be really near the top performance, the things would change a bit because when you play in your top everything looks really easy and your confidence is high. The player believe he can do everything.
Well, Shakhtar is still first in the table... :rolleyes:
Ukraine Championship : After DAY 13...
---------------G---W--D--L---GLS--PTS
1. Shakhtar D.-13--11--0--2--24-6--33
2. Dynamo K.--13--10--2--1--28-7--32
3. Metallurg D.
4. Volynj
5. ...
6. ...
:fero: FORZA MILAN :fero:
We need to win this match. There is not a big advantage for being first in a CL group phase now days. They draw the ties anyway.(correct me if i am wrong) A couple of years ago, the 1st place of one group played the 2nd place of the corresponding one. I think they just draw them now!
As for the game.....as i said, let's just qualify. We need the best squad out there and that is why I do not agree with your line-up hitmannq8. There is no reason of keeping Sheva on the bench. He should be playing every game. He is not tire. The season just started. He is fresh and firing. He will have some rest in the Coppa this weekend, after that we need him back in the line up.
Dida-Cafu-Nesta-Maldini-Kaladze-Pirlo-Gattuso-Seedorf-Rui-Sheva-JDT
FORZA MILAN!Lets get through!! Whoever it is....they will be scared of us. :devil:
If everything went as it was supposed to, Shaktar does not even belong in the same playing field as Milan. It should be no contest - like playing a Serie B team. Unfortunately, our guys are not in shape yet (10 full weeks into the season) and do not seem to find the right tempo. As I have mentioned several times, I fault the pre-season training and poor planning with these money-making exhibition games instead of serious athletic conditioning.
Right now clear victories over teams like Shaktar, Palermo and Chievo are important, both for the standings in the table and for the moral of the team. Frankly I do not like to hear talk such as "one point is enough for now", or "we have to save energy for the next match", etc. Enough looking at the result only and making calculations like constipated bookkeepers. We are football fans and would like to see Milan put a display of attacking football with high scores and plenty of excitement. We know the team is capable of doing that, and must have the pride to win every game - big.
After all, we are Milan - one of the best teams on this planet (and may be in the entire galaxy). If Crespo is unable to fit and JDT does not improve, we can play very well with Sheva backed by Kaka and Rui Costa. No one should be obliged to field "out-of-form" players because Mr. Berlusconi wants two strikers at all times. You play with the best you have, and adjust the tactics a little bit.
Giovanni
18-11-2004, 03:46
When you play for a giant like Milan you need a winning mentality to survive. Whether we'll face Chelsea or PSG is not so important. In the ko stage, sooner or later we'll face a superpower because I definetely don't believe in a Porto vs. Monaco final again.
Milan met Ajax and Inter in the road to Manchester and Juve there. So this is not a new issue for most of the players.
Very interesting this statistic about free kicks, Hitmannq8. But it's rare to find a player who really know how to take them nowadays. I think by February, when I believe the team will be really near the top performance, the things would change a bit because when you play in your top everything looks really easy and your confidence is high. The player believe he can do everything.
____________:clap:________________
from acmilan.com :
ANCELOTTI: 'We'll play a three-man attack'
MILANELLO - On the eve of Milan-Shakthar Donetsk, Carlo Ancelotti confirmed that Andriy Shevchenko won't be called up for the Champions Legaue game at the San Siro. :eekani:
The same will be with Jon Dahl Tomasson, who is unavoidable. :eekani:
The coach said in his pre-game press conference: 'What about a draw? It is a good result to qualify, but we aim at closing top of our group, bla - bla - bla ...'
NO SHEVA , NO JDT and three-man attack ? :dconf: :dconf:
Ricky - Crespo - ????? :r11:
:fero: FORZA MILAN :fero:
It will probably be Kaka, Crespo and Serginho who will lead our attack. Since we are at home, I do not see it as a major problem. Sheva and Jon are not 100% fit, so it is fair to give them a rest...
I think Crespo have received a boost with his goal... and we NEED to qualify tomorrow, so we do not have to worry when going to Glasgow in 14 days.
I think lineup will be: Dida - Cafu, Nesta, Maldini, Kalaze - Gattuso, Pirlo, Seedorf - Kaka - Serginho, Crespo.
I think lineup will be: Dida - Cafu, Nesta, Maldini, Kalaze - Gattuso, Pirlo, Seedorf - Kaka - Serginho, Crespo.
If that line-up is indeed true, then it is more of a 4-5-1 or 4-4-1-1 than a 4-3-3. It certainly isn't a "three-man-attack", an definately less so than in the normal 4-3-1-2 formation. I hope to see JDT play, he did well with his national team last week.
If that line-up is indeed true, then it is more of a 4-5-1 or 4-4-1-1 than a 4-3-3. It certainly isn't a "three-man-attack", an definately less so than in the normal 4-3-1-2 formation. I hope to see JDT play, he did well with his national team last week.
According to report, he is injured , slightone.
IN any case, I think it would rather be kaka`, rui and Crespo.
which looks fine to me as long as..
Crespo scores :)
IMO Sheva should score twice and lead us to victory....:rone:
IMO Sheva should score twice and lead us to victory....:rone:
He is injured. :(
what the f u c k ?????
really.....
he wount play? :wth:
Ancelotti demands Milan victory Tuesday 23 November, 2004
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Although a point will be enough for qualification, Milan boss Carlo Ancelotti is demanding a victory against Shakhtar Donetsk.
"It is our objective to not only qualify for the knock-out stages but to do so by winning the group," he stated ahead of tomorrow’s Champions’ League game.
"I would like to see us put on a similar performance to the one when we beat Barcelona at the San Siro."
Milan and Barca currently share top spot in Group F after collecting nine points from four games so far.
The Rossoneri have already beaten their Ukrainian opponents 1-0 this term and the Coach is confident they can pick up three more points.
"I don’t think they’ve changed that much since our first meeting," he added. "They are a side who like to play good football.
"We were a little tentative when we travelled to the Ukraine but I think we will be in a better frame of mind tomorrow."
Milan’s goalscoring hopes are set to fall on Hernan Crespo given the fitness problems of Andriy Shevchenko and Jon Dahl Tomasson.
"I don’t consider our decision to sign Crespo as a gamble," noted the tactician. "Hernan has great quality and he’s getting over his initial problems."
What about the disappointing form of Kaka? "I think he just needs to continue with what he is doing," defended Ancelotti.
"He isn’t finished as a player even if he is going through some highs and lows at this moment in time. If he plays then I hope he does well."
Warro Bantan
23-11-2004, 11:56
With Sheva out of the line-up with a muscle problem, Carlo the "Great Defensive tactician of our time" has stated that he will be using a :hihihi: 3 man attack! :ilol: :haha: :haha: :haha:
This is too good to be true. Without JDT and Sheva, we have, as TRUE attacking options: Crespo, Rui and Kaka.
Serghino is a left back for crying out loud, and IMO is not an attacker. He is offensive minded, but that is about it. He is usefull however, dont misunderstand me here, but at the risk of stating the obvious, he just isnt a striker.
The hurtful truth is, that posts predicting Serghino to start in attack are not off the mark, indeed, this is just the sort of thing Carlo likes to do.
We should win this game comfortably no matter who plays, as we have a collective of talent that Shaktar cannot match. What the Ukraine club do have that we are struggling to find rite now is cohesion and chemistry: They may in fact be a better "team" than Milan, even if we have better players man for man on the pitch.
They will have studied and restudied the first match we played against them, and will look to exploit our weaknesses, where they see them. I expect rapid counters, and I also think that a surprise may be in the offing if we dont focus, and play to our best, not as a group of individual players, but as a team, each man playing for the other, making the necessary tackles, marking with concentration, and looking to make the simple passes.
A little less selfishness from our :hihihi:"attacking trident":haha: and we will score the necessary goals, and I think we will need to score more than one, to win this game. In addition, a LOT LESS arrogance :hmm2: , and we should romp over these UCL minnows.
2-1 to Milan. Kaka and Crespo to score.
FORZA MILAN. FORZA CRESPO!!!!!! We certainly need u to wear ur goal scoring boots tomorrow!
does Ancelotti reads my mind or what? so proud of Ancelotti speach
any way here is what he saidSource: Football Italia
Although a point will be enough for qualification, Milan boss Carlo Ancelotti is demanding a victory against Shakhtar Donetsk.
"It is our objective to not only qualify for the knock-out stages but to do so by winning the group," he stated ahead of tomorrow’s Champions’ League game.
"I would like to see us put on a similar performance to the one when we beat Barcelona at the San Siro."
Milan and Barca currently share top spot in Group F after collecting nine points from four games so far.
The Rossoneri have already beaten their Ukrainian opponents 1-0 this term and the Coach is confident they can pick up three more points.
"I don’t think they’ve changed that much since our first meeting," he added. "They are a side who like to play good football.
"We were a little tentative when we travelled to the Ukraine but I think we will be in a better frame of mind tomorrow."
Milan’s goalscoring hopes are set to fall on Hernan Crespo given the fitness problems of Andriy Shevchenko and Jon Dahl Tomasson.
"I don’t consider our decision to sign Crespo as a gamble," noted the tactician. "Hernan has great quality and he’s getting over his initial problems."
What about the disappointing form of Kaka? "I think he just needs to continue with what he is doing," defended Ancelotti.
"He isn’t finished as a player even if he is going through some highs and lows at this moment in time. If he plays then I hope he does well."
Dil dil's thread merged into this thread :)
ACMILAN1983
23-11-2004, 17:59
I simply reiterate what Maldini said "Not qualifying tomorrow and leaving it till the last day is madness"
A victory is a what we all want and its time to see the players deliver that.
FORZA MILAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nice to see Real suffering today ;)
Juve got their fifth 1-0 in a row....something similar happened to us last season....although it was only four 1-0 if I am not wrong.
As for our game, a victory is what we need to focus on, our lineup:
----------- Dida ------------
Cafu - Nesta - Maldini - Kaladze
--- Rino --- Pirlo --- Seedorf --
-------Kaka --- Rui ----------
--------- Crespo -----------
Or if Carletto wants to do some rotation we might see Dhorasoo and Sergio in from the start (instead of Pirlo and Kaka/Seedorf)
Come on Hernan!!!
FORZA MILAN!!!
BaggioForever
24-11-2004, 03:48
Hey Dhorasoo should be there with Rui IMO, Kaka should be rested as i feel he is over-used and could use this match to revitalise himself for Chievo...well all else should be cetarus parigus as above~ :D
acmilan.com
GAZZETTA DELLO SPORT, MILAN-SHAKHTAR PROBABLE LINE-UPS
11/24/2004
MILAN: Dida; Cafu, Nesta, Maldini, Costacurta; Gattuso, Pirlo, Seedorf; Kaka, Rui Costa; Crespo.
SHAKHTAR: Lastuvka; Stoican, Hubachman, Lewandowski, Srna; Vorobyey, Duljaj, Matuzalem, Vukic; Aghahowa, Marica.
No Matuzalem, that is pretty good news for us.
No Matuzalem, that is pretty good news for us.
Matuzalem is playing!
MILAN-SHAKHTAR: OFFICIAL LINE-UPS
11/24/2004
MILAN: Dida; Cafu, Nesta, Maldini, Costacurta; Gattuso, Pirlo, Seedorf; Kakà, Rui Costa; Crespo
SHAKHTAR: Lastuvka; Stoican, Hubschman, Lewandoski, Srna; Joao Batista, Duljaj, Matuzalem, Vukic; Aghahowa, Brandao
My mistake. Too bad D'horasoo is not getting a chance to start this game :(
"I would like to see us put on a similar performance to the one when we beat Barcelona at the San Siro."
Not me, I want a similar performance to the Depor win... Of course since I miss the game it doesn't matter that much. Darn viasat, show some Milan will you. :nunu:
Anyone got a free weblink so I can watch it on the comp?
CuoreRossoNero
24-11-2004, 15:49
Barcelona - Celtic 1-0.
CuoreRossoNero
24-11-2004, 16:05
Barcelona - Celtic 1-1. Sweet.
Anyone able to share how Milan is playing?
is the match on live radio somewhere?
Kick Pirlo out of the starting XI for Christ's sake.
Is Ancelotti married to him? We played football against Palermo w/o him and now back to sh!t...
CuoreRossoNero
24-11-2004, 16:20
So I take it that they are playing bad?
It's a very boring half time: no passion, no drama, not many chances for both sides and basically nothing worth mention.
Milan seems to have the control of the ball, however TV shows the ball possesion is 44% for Milan, there goes our famous possesion game plan. :(, anyway Milan can't make any dangerous or constructive use of it, the players just circled the ball around 1/3 of the pitch.
Our players are SO slow, predicatble, lack of clear ideas, 3 shots from Rui, among which 1 is very good; 3 long shots form KK, which aren far from dangerous for the goal keeper. Crespo, who? Is he a striker? Who can hardly hold the balls, no shots for the 1st 45 minutes. Pirlo provided 1 useful long pass, 2 passes to the feet of the opponent players. Geno was so frustrated to see: 2 passes direct to the goalkeeprer, 2 passes to Shakthar players, 1 or 2 passes ended noman's land. Seedorf & Kaka had 2 very interesting combination.
Shakthar had very few chances but 3 shots on goals and looks very dangerous whenever it has balls, esp. after 30 minutes into the play.
Goal form KAKA!
KAKA-RUI-CAFU-KAKA headed the ball in front fo the net!
Crepo just scored from Rui's beaufiful through ball !
2- 0 now!
ginoformaggino
24-11-2004, 16:29
valdanito!
Giovanni
24-11-2004, 16:31
milan -shaktar 2-0
kakà crespo
Weeeha! 2 goals in 2 minutes! Thats the way we want it!
CuoreRossoNero
24-11-2004, 16:32
That's great news it's especially nice that Crespo and Kaka scored, this should help their confidence. Now one more from Crespo and my predicttion would look pretty good.
ginoformaggino
24-11-2004, 16:33
what a rush!
:diablo:
Giovanni
24-11-2004, 16:33
bycycle kick by crespo..almost goal
crespo is another player now
hitmannq8
24-11-2004, 16:35
oh my god milan are playing so good.. crespo almost scored a SPECTACULAR double kick
those were awesome goals. kaka's goal was sick.
and i loved crespo's scissor kick
anyone knows some i-net broadcast television for this match?
For God Sake Take Out Pirlo!!!
CuoreRossoNero
24-11-2004, 16:39
For God Sake Take Out Pirlo!!!
Holy man, is he really that bad????
Giovanni
24-11-2004, 16:43
pirlo is doing well imo
maybe he needs rest? He should get it...
ginoformaggino
24-11-2004, 16:48
:devs: :sagrin: :sagrin: :devs:
CuoreRossoNero
24-11-2004, 16:49
The game just wouldn't be complete without a Gatusso yellow card. :ilol:
And Dhorrasso for Rui
1o minutes to go
hitmannq8
24-11-2004, 16:59
3-0 Crespo
dylanfalk
24-11-2004, 17:00
i see milan scored...but it hasnt updated on who it was... anyone know?
...n/m i see the reply above, lol :zany:
what a night for crespo..finally
CuoreRossoNero
24-11-2004, 17:01
Guess who's back......back again.
Way to go Crespo!!! :1ole:
CuoreRossoNero
24-11-2004, 17:02
It would be nice if celtic scored now. Then Matchday 6 would mean absolutely nothing.
Stezagud
24-11-2004, 17:03
still time for a hattrick??
hitmannq8
24-11-2004, 17:06
Kaka Nutmegs Keeper 4-0.. dhorasoO PLAYING great! assisted kaka from half way.. kaka ran ran ran to 18 yard.. and passed a player and nutmeggeed the keeper
WOW.....CRESPO SCORES AGAIN......3:0
5 minutes to go....
Lombardia
24-11-2004, 17:07
4-0!!!!!! Kaka
dylanfalk
24-11-2004, 17:08
kaka' again!! :rock3:
dylanfalk
24-11-2004, 17:09
i didn't actually get a chance to watch the game so i had to follow it through the web. sounds like Kaka' and Crespo played awesome...very good to see!!
useless uefa.com still shows the score 2-0 at 81' ... thankfully you guys updated.
ginoformaggino
24-11-2004, 17:12
a great Kakà
Crespo twice
Rui is always the light
Milan runs again
I think Dhorasso had a 5 * game fir the 10 mins he played. Finally Crespo and Kaka have scored. Goood for their confidence. Awesome game!
Giovanni
24-11-2004, 17:14
best milan game of the season so far, except maybe the derby
Lombardia
24-11-2004, 17:14
i didn't actually get a chance to watch the game so i had to follow it through the web. sounds like Kaka' and Crespo played awesome...very good to see!!
useless uefa.com still shows the score 2-0 at 81' ... thankfully you guys updated.
go to their matchcenter, they are the fastest updates, on their homepage however is probalby the slowest!
dylanfalk
24-11-2004, 17:15
go to their matchcenter, they are the fastest updates, on their homepage however is probalby the slowest!
thats where i'm in right now... still says 2-0 81'!!
Stezagud
24-11-2004, 17:16
I cant believe i had to miss this one :(
thanks to all for keeping us unfortunates well informed :D
Lombardia
24-11-2004, 17:19
thats where i'm in right now... still says 2-0 81'!!
thats really weird! my one works really well!!
Good game for Milan!
Cafu was amazing, running up and down the field the whole game.
Kaka looked very sharp,good performance from him.
Crespo was also very good,scored 2 goals and almost scored one with a nice bicycle kick,he was selfish at times and had a few mistakes but other than that pretty good.
Seedorf was ok so was Gattuso,Rui costa and Pirlo were a bit dissapointing.
Defence was solid,Costacurta wasn't bad,even had a few runs.
Dida was very good saved a lot of long range shots on target and looked very concentrated.
Also,Dhorasso looked very good when he came on and he assisted the last goal for Kaka.
Good performance overall from Milan!
Giovanni
24-11-2004, 17:20
dhorasoo is getting damn good! he has found his way and got plenty of claps tonite!!!
What a game!
First half was pretty boring...but second was real action! And of coarse I`m impressed with the result...CRESPO! Ha to u all of u who hate him! :D
WOW .what agreat win .I'm so happy that Milan wins with out sheva
I thought either we will draw 0-0 or win I-0 by kaka . I"m glad that
kaka come back to score and good crespo scored too
and the best thing is we are now the leader of our group
proud of Milan
Awful Milan the first half, awesome one during the second. Same players, so go figure. And Dhorasoo played very well for the short time he was on. He even went back to get the defense out of trouble once.
Finally they played good while i was reloading this forum, couldnt see it on tv because we only had psv-arsenal broadcast (btw, lol to arsenal) I just hope they'll keep it up in the serie...
Well, Milan fans, this is more like it should be...
Clear victory, Crespo scoring twice and regaining confidence, Kaka on top of his game, and first place in the CL group.
Way to go.
Kick Pirlo out of the starting XI for Christ's sake.
Is Ancelotti married to him? We played football against Palermo w/o him and now back to sh!t...
always the same post, whoopsie, we won. What does that make of it? :D
Really a result we needed, the confidence may come back for some key figures up front.
Since when has Milan become a 45-minute team?
After Kaka's brilliant & brave head-ball just in front the net, Milan starts to unblock itself. Suddenly the players run up front with or without balls, even Maldini ran from the back into the other penalty box trying to score! Actually had not been for the great saves from Shakthar's goalkeeper, Milan could have scored another 2 goals in ca 10 minutes after our first 2 goals.
Dhorrasso played very good and should be given more playing time. Same should be said about Rui, Brocchi.
MOM for me is Kaka. 8. He not only scored 2 goals, esp. the most important opening goal which unblocked the whole team & game, but also ran tirelessly during all the game seeking shooting from different distance and angle. His first goal is a brave low header among the legs of 2 defender after Cafu's assist.Crespo's 2nd goal is also a indirect assist from him: he passed to Seedorf, whose header bounced back for Crespo to tap in.
Crespo 6.5: he scored 2 goals important to his confidence but still he is very RUSTY! He missed at least 2 easy chances because he was slow and couldn't hold the balls. Sometimes try too hard when a simple action could solve the problem. He is on his way to recovery.
RUI 6.5: he is sometimes active and sometimes invisiable, but his passes are unmatachable in the world. He pinpoints the ball through the defence which isdirectly besides the feet of Crespo, who needs only to skip the goalkeeper to put the ball inside the net. In the first half time he had one dangerous direct shot, which saved by the goalkeeper. He DESERVES to play more.
RINO 6: fighting as always but his passes left to desired.:(
Pirlo 6: He didn't provide any useful long passes, maybe only 1 as I can recall.
Seedorf 6.5: ran intelligently, made some very smart 2-1 passes with Kaka, he should have scored one goal but his header bounced on the leg of defender, which result Crespo's 2 goal.
Cafu 7: Has good game: very active, assist 1 goal & some nice passes in & outside the box.
Nesta 6.5/7: very solid game, no mistakes at all.
Maldini 6.5: good game, once even ran inside the opponent's penalty box trying to score.
Billy 6.5: nice runs down the left side, a few nice combination with other players. I am just gald he can still be with us.
Dhorasoo again top class, Rui great in assisting play.
Why these players barely play??
Dhorasoo again top class, Rui great in assisting play.
Why these players barely play??
Very simple. Because Dhorasoo, in YOUR view, is top class, but he only plays for 10 minutes, and it's NOT against BIG team.
I have nothing to say about Rui though. IF you want to know why, go back to the year when we won the champion league, the year when we didn't have Kaka`. Take a look at the Serie A and you'll know why. And this is why Milan bought Kaka` too. Ok?
Boy... don't take things for granted. I am not saying Dhorasoo is a bad player. Far from it, but your manipulation against Pirlo is way too much and it's getting really sick.
Be aware. I"ll be watching your post closely. Until you have SOLID evidence, I'm going to eat you up.
And one more thing. Milan scored twice when Pirlo was playing. Not Dhorasso.
JL
p.s.: Dhorasso is a great player. I'm not denying that.
:beach:
Ahhh, another Heineken anyone?
I can only second what has already been said, great result and awesome to see Crespo and Kaka' finally getting some goals. Nice boost for the immediate future!! Forza Milan!!
Well, Milan fans, this is more like it should be...
Crespo scoring twice and regaining confidence.
I cannot say for the whole match as i saw just goals, but these 2 were just a simple tap-ins, therefore not regaining my confidence in him. I hope he gets better...
:beach:
Ahhh, another Heineken anyone?
Yes please, I think we all deserve one after a hard nights work ;)
My only regret is that I only saw the first half which was awfull (Incredibles opened here today and I just had to take my daughter :()
I cannot say for the whole match as i saw just goals, but these 2 were just a simple tap-ins, therefore not regaining my confidence in him. I hope he gets better...
Well the 2nd goal was a tap in but the first goal he got around the keeper nicely and finished it and he also had a nice bicycle kick saved by the goalie.
Well the 2nd goal was a tap in but the first goal he got around the keeper nicely and finished it and he also had a nice bicycle kick saved by the goalie.
And dont' forget. Why Inzaghi is so famous (kind of) is exactly he knows WHERE to appear to tap in.
Not many strikers know that.
anybody has the highlights of the game???
And dont' forget. Why Inzaghi is so famous (kind of) is exactly he knows WHERE to appear to tap in.
Not many strikers know that.
totally agree. imo inzaghi sucks at dribblin the ball but he is the best at tappin it in and gettin to positions to score goals. inzaghi is the type of player u hate wen he is on another team but love wen he is on ur team. i think crespo is more skilled then inzaghi n todai wuz jus a sign of wuts to come
post-game comments from channel4.com:
Milan 4 - 0 S Donetsk
Kaka 52, 92 (M), Crespo 53, 84 (M)
San Siro
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Hernan Crespo has truly broken through his bad patch with a brace as the Rossoneri beat Shakhtar Donetsk 4-0 to reach the next round.
Injuries to Andriy Shevchenko, Jon Dahl Tomasson and the long-term troubles of Pippo Inzaghi meant that Carlo Ancelotti had little choice but to field a 4-3-2-1 system with Hernan Crespo as their only fully fit striker.
A point would be enough to ensure Milan qualified for the knockout stage, but ex-Inter boss Mircea Lucescu's Shakhtar Donetsk were also still in the running. Their last meeting was a 1-0 Rossoneri victory in the Ukraine thanks to Clarence Seedorf's late strike.
Ancelotti warned they would not go for a draw and that became clear after 90 seconds when Crespo held the ball up for Gennaro Gattuso's shot to be closed down. It was a fiery game and within four minutes both sides had a man booked.
Manuel Rui Costa combined beautifully with Crespo on the edge of the box and his fierce shot was palmed over the bar by an acrobatic Lastuvka save.
Soon after the Portuguese star couldn't quite turn in the box, then Kaka nodded Marcos Cafu's cross over the bar from seven yards and the goalkeeper rushed off his line to anticipate the Brazilian as he ran on to Seedorf's long pass.
Kaka was beginning to exert an influence and he combined with a delightful Seedorf backheel only for a perfectly timed and decisive Batista challenge in the box to curtail his run.
Shakhtar had a good chance on the half-hour mark, but Brandao's diving header was wayward, then the ball bounced around the penalty area and Dida did well to smother Duljal's toe-poke from six yards.
The visitors were gaining in confidence and a powerful drive from former Brescia midfielder Francelino Matuzalem was fingertipped round the post with Dida at full stretch.
Long-range efforts from Rui Costa and Kaka failed to really trouble Lastuvka, while Dida comfortably held Agahowa's strike. Rui Costa almost took full advantage of a defensive error on the stroke of half-time, but pulled the finish wide.
Milan were evidently distracted coming out of the break, as within seconds Agahowa was clean through and somehow blasted wide from a central position.
Moments later Dida scrambled across goal to push Matuzalem's snapshot round the post as Shakhtar poured forward with venom after Lucescu's half-time talk.
Donetsk's timid penalty appeals were waved away when Billy Costacurta blocked Agahowa's path, then Milan hit back and Lastuvka was quick to close down Marcos Cafu.
The move continued and Rui Costa's delightful chipped pass found Cafu, he crossed it in for Kaka's brave diving header to give the Rossoneri a precious lead.
Shakhtar fell to pieces after this shock and 60 seconds later Rui Costa threaded through for Crespo to spring the offside trap and waltz round the goalkeeper for 2-0.
It has been a special week for the former Chelsea star, who scored his first official goal for Milan in Saturday's Coppa Italia tie against Palermo and seems to have broken through his psychological block. He has also entered the history books by becoming the first player to score in the Champions' League with five different clubs: Parma, Lazio, Inter, Chelsea and Milan.
It was obvious his confidence was back, as Crespo's spectacular bicycle-kick on a deflected Rui Costa shot was just pushed out by a stunning reaction save from Lastuvka.
It was turning into a siege and Crespo skipped past a defender to cut back for Seedorf and the Dutchman's strike was again kept out by the talented Shakhtar shot-stopper.
Dida was concentrated on a long-range Vukic strike, but it was all Milan now and substitute Massimo Ambrosini's shot was charged down following another fine Rui Costa assist.
Even Paolo Maldini had a good scoring opportunity when he just failed to get on the end of Seedorf's cross, but Crespo was behind him and couldn't quite complete his turn.
Kaka was one on one with the goalkeeper, but was halted for an incorrect offside decision.
The third goal was always threatened and Kaka skipped past two defenders, Seedorf's header was kept out by a goalline clearance, but Shakhtar could do nothing on Crespo's follow-up.
It still wasn't over, as Vikash Dhorasoo sent Kaka through the centre and the Brazilian did the rest, leaving two defenders standing and placing his finish under the 'keeper's legs for 4-0.
And some more:
Ancelotti silences critics Wednesday 24 November, 2004
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Carlo Ancelotti and his players are beaming after a confident demolition of Shakhtar, but refuse to take the second round draw for granted.
“We took a long time to get through because Shakhtar held possession well in midfield and we weren’t pressuring them enough,” explained the Coach after a stuttering first half.
“Once we increased that squeeze on them and the goal arrived, the team relaxed and performed brilliantly with pace.”
Milan were under increasing pressure soon after the restart, but Hernan Crespo and Kaka struck twice each for the final 4-0 scoreline despite an injury crisis.
“Everyone gave a fine contribution to this result, especially Crespo and Manuel Rui Costa, so I have a large group of players who can raise the team above the rest.”
Kaka was particularly impressive and bagged a brace to silence those critics who claimed he was a shadow of his former self.
“Those who expect Kaka to do as well as last season are ignoring the hard work he has done so far,” insisted Ancelotti. “We hope these two goals will help quieten a few of those critics.”
The tactician’s faith in former Chelsea man Crespo has also been confirmed with his third goal in two competitive games after he finally broke his duck in the Coppa Italia this week.
“I hope I was right when I said once Crespo starts scoring, he doesn’t stop. Taking that weight off his shoulders will help him find form quickly and you can clearly see his confidence is boosted by the way he moves.”
Milan will be in the unusual position of supporting Inter on Sunday night when they face Serie A leaders Juventus.
“Inter are our cousins and every now and then we must cheer them on!” smiled the Coach. “That is an important game for Milan, but above all for the Nerazzurri and they need to get that victory.”
Kaka also commented on those newspaper and media critics who said he had lost his golden touch this year.
“I am a Trequartista and like to play in a deep role where I can help others to score. If I hit the target then it’s a bonus, but it really isn’t my job to be a hitman. I know I am playing well and the club has faith in me, so I have never been concerned at my poor scoring rate this season.”
The Rossoneri’s first half performance did not raise hopes of a 4-0 rout, but Kaka insists football is more complicated than that.
“In all games you need patience for 90 minutes and today we proved that by scoring four goals after a difficult first half.”
Milan and Barcelona are now through to the knockout round, but Vice-President Adriano Galliani isn’t getting too excited about topping the Group after the Spaniards’ shock home draw with Celtic.
“Considering last season I jumped for joy when I saw we’d drawn Deportivo and the lower half of the table, I will keep incredibly quiet about the draw this time!”
A 4-0 defeat in La Coruna saw the Rossoneri crash out of the competition after a 4-1 victory at the San Siro.
Quivering
24-11-2004, 20:20
Thank god, this came just when we needed it. For both the fans and the two players.
Forza Milan
AC-GIOFFRE
24-11-2004, 21:16
FORZA MILAN
This shows that we don't have to rely on Shevchenko for GOALS. We are now a greater chance for Lo Scudetto and Champions League
ACMILAN1983
24-11-2004, 21:55
Great result and just as hoped for and its such a shame I had to miss it to work (although I kept updated). However, I still believe the best Milan is yet to come.
Kaka's and Crespo's confidence must have been bolstered huge amounts in that match.
However, the best thing about this thread was Jeff's sarcastic comments for Bayman that people took seriously :grinser: :D :D
FORZA KAKA!!
FORZA CRESPO!!
FORZA MILAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SECOND ROUND AWAITS :firedev:
Great result! I am especially satisfied when looking at the scorers :firedev: ...this time I barely followed the match as I was away from my desk at the office most of the time.....looking forward to the highlights :cool:
lets keep the good football coming Hernan and Kaka!!
Rui, San Billy :proud:
FORZA MILAN!!!
dylanfalk
25-11-2004, 04:44
just caught the highlights on TV.. Crespo's bicycle!! MINT!!
If that had gone in ---> definately would have been one of the best goals this year..
from the highlights crespo finally looks ready to play. maybe that goal against palermo opened the flood gates :dontkn: .. a good couple of touches on the first goal and good positioning on the 2nd. even though it was a tap-in he did have to be there to tap it in. and hey, somebody has to do it, i dont care how the goals come.
kaká finally had the game i've been waiting for :proud: . back to his old self terrorizing the back line with his runs and great passing. that 4th goal was just icing on the cake. the commentator out here said something along the lines of: "..and its not even fair, the brazilian has all the moves and slides the ball in..", pretty much sums it up.. definately great for his confidence!
all in all, game looked AWESOME!! FORZA MILAN!! :diablo:
acmilan89
25-11-2004, 04:55
Dhorasoo again top class, Rui great in assisting play.
Why these players barely play??
The answer could be similar to your comments on Pirlo: because they're not married to Ancellotti. :smileani:
For me, the thing about this match is Crespo scored two goals. Good for him. However, apart from the pace he still has on the flanks, he still seems to find difficulties in finishing off the game. That overhead kick was great but he had like 2-3 chances and messed it up. The problem as I see it is that his ball control is still poor. And another thing is that he seemed be on the losing side of one-on-one challenge. So, he kept on losing the ball when he should control it while fending off his opponent. Otherwise, I think he has that striker instinct of being in the right place at the right time (e.g. 2nd goal).
As for Dhorasoo, I think he played okay but the guy only got the last 10 minutes. I won't rate high him apart from the through-pass to Kaka which led to the fourth goal. And also the tackle he made at the edge of Milan's penalty box when the opponent passed Nesta (?). IMO, during the game, he seemed a bit lost. He would make the short passes diagonally to his team-mates and do not know where to go after that. Because of that, he would spent a lot of time running on the field without much aim. He was able to do that yesterday because he still has that energy in him. But for solid 70 minutes? Ancellotti should just try him out more from the first whistle in the Coppa games.
Kurt Cobain
25-11-2004, 08:16
Just some comments:
- Pirlo wasn't particularly brilliant yesterday, but sooner or later he'll show his amazing talent again;
- Kaká played a good first half, but when Lucesco took Batista out was a immense relief for him. He is improving, but can do much more and still missing many passes. Some of them easy ones... The goals will boost his confidence. Força Kaká!
- Rui Costa was the MOM in my opinion. Sometimes he is invisible, but was simply brilliant in his passes to Cafu in the first goal and to Crespo in the second.
- Dhorasoo once again proved he deserves more minutes on the pitch. It's good to see a bench with quality players like him.
And dont' forget. Why Inzaghi is so famous (kind of) is exactly he knows WHERE to appear to tap in.
Not many strikers know that.
Yeah, i agree. But i think inzaghi is faster and sometimes he can do amazing things. He's on the floor 2 quick though... I liked Crespo when he was playing for inter. At chelsea, he was like he is now. 3 games nothing of him, then 2 goals, and silence again for 3 games. Still as i said, i hope these 3 goals mean something more.
1st half was the worst piece of crap I've had the displeasure to witness in a long time and I was about to turn off my tv when finally Milan decided to start playing, what a turnaround.
I've said all along I expect this team to blossom during the 2nd part of the season, the same thing happened to us last season, fortunately we have all the ingredients to repeat that feat all over.
Forza Milan
CuoreRossoNero
25-11-2004, 15:45
1st half was the worst piece of crap I've had the displeasure to witness in a long time and I was about to turn off my tv when finally Milan decided to start playing, what a turnaround.
Forza Milan
I think this is a little exagerated. Sure they played a lot better in the 2nd half but they still had a couple quality chances in the first and with a little luck could have had a 1-0 lead. The 1st half was bad but not as bad as you make it out.
OLD CRESPO IS BACK!!!!!!!!
I hope that he will stay good in future like against Shaktar!!!
FORZA CRESPO!!!!!!!
Yeah, i agree. But i think inzaghi is faster and sometimes he can do amazing things. He's on the floor 2 quick though... I liked Crespo when he was playing for inter. At chelsea, he was like he is now. 3 games nothing of him, then 2 goals, and silence again for 3 games. Still as i said, i hope these 3 goals mean something more.
Don't worry. Football is more than just skills and plays. After all, when you have two equally prolific player, what distinguish one from the other?
Confidence
And that's what Milan is working on their players. Boost their confidence, trust in them.
Not many people here realize that, and keep saying that some players must be subed off.
I think this is a little exagerated. Sure they played a lot better in the 2nd half but they still had a couple quality chances in the first and with a little luck could have had a 1-0 lead. The 1st half was bad but not as bad as you make it out.
I agree with you. The 1st half was bad but not as bad as you descirbe. Perhaps your expectation is too high?
And btw, I have watched the full match. The first half some of the passing were horrible. Just to mention some players:
Gattuso: his passing is still problematic at times.
Kaka`: He actually missed quite a lot of ball possession in the 1st half.
Seedorf: Some, but not a lot, poor passing.
I have PARTICULARLY taken note of Pirlo and I don't see him missing ONE single pass. He throws granade in the first half for a few times but all were lost, but there are first of all not many and compared to other players like kaka` and Gattuso, I don't see how some people here comopletely blame Pirlo for throwing our ball possession away.
in fact, this is the most weird contention I have seen.
PLEASE... watch the whole match and see how many Kaka` and gattuso have missed in the first half. Pirlo, despite his grenade (and actually it's not many, I can't remember more than 3, and some of them are actually ACCURATE), has VERY SELDOM lost the ball possession. Go and watch the whole match again, for those of you who criticize Pirlo. He doesn't really miss that hell lot of ball possession.
It is really a wonder why some people here keep blaming Pirlo when he has done nothing wrong.
ACMILAN1983
25-11-2004, 18:46
I have PARTICULARLY taken note of Pirlo and I don't see him missing ONE single pass. He throws granade in the first half for a few times but all were lost, but there are first of all not many and compared to other players like kaka` and Gattuso, I don't see how some people here comopletely blame Pirlo for throwing our ball possession away.
in fact, this is the most weird contention I have seen.
PLEASE... watch the whole match and see how many Kaka` and gattuso have missed in the first half. Pirlo, despite his grenade (and actually it's not many, I can't remember more than 3, and some of them are actually ACCURATE), has VERY SELDOM lost the ball possession. Go and watch the whole match again, for those of you who criticize Pirlo. He doesn't really miss that hell lot of ball possession.
It is really a wonder why some people here keep blaming Pirlo when he has done nothing wrong.
Specifically written for Bayman I think :D
Sheva7_Evo
25-11-2004, 19:07
Player Ratings
Dida 6.5- rarely troubled by shaktar's hopeful, if anything, long range shots
Cafu 6.5 - usual self. set up kaka. had a good spell then, running like a mad man
Maldini 6.5- don't remember many mistakes, cept 1, lost the ball but won it back immediately shrugging 2 players off.
Nesta 6.5- not much to deal with
Costacurta 6- not great, not bad... still solid. i didn't see to much of him
Pirlo 6.5- jeff said it well. nothing special but not wasteful.
Gatusso 6 - lost more balls then he won
Seedorf 8- for somre reason i thought he was MOM for some reason. seemed most effective. best performance from him in a while. could've had 2 goals.
Rui 6.5- again probably disagreeing wiht many, i thought he was disappointing apart from a few good passes. wasteful with shots again.
Kaka 7.5- very disappointing in the first half. tried runs that never payed off. very good 2nd half. brilliant run down the wing to set up seedorf and solo goal of Dharosoo's ball. more shades of old self starting to appear.
Crespo 7.5- finally, something to fill our expectations. i dont want to speak too early, if he continues and prooves this is not a 1 off, Gilardino will have to wait. good game. brilliant bicycle kick of gatussos deflected shot... highlight of the game. again, as Jeff pointed out, confidence is the key
Subs:
Ambro in his usual sub role, not bad. wasted 1 good scoring chance.
Dharosoo, great tackle near end of the game, great ball to kaka, great runs. interesting to see how he holds up for a full game. watch out pirlo.
Brocchi, don't remember !?!? too delirious with goals from players who finally woken up.
it's 'only' shaktar, but just reiterating...confidence makes a difference. if we believe we are champions, we will be, again. Comeon Inter!!! or should I say, comeon Adriano!!!
The 1st half was exactly as miserable as described; the last 45 minutes only prove my point.
Warro Bantan
26-11-2004, 09:47
A good win for Milan, and the promise of more goals to come from Crespo, and Kaka, whose bravery in the box was something to behold. It was so fast that from a certain TV replay, u cannot even see him, he moves so fast!
The first half by all accounts was an example of the Milan that we dont want to see, and the Milan that we need to eliminate as soon as possible.
Good show, in the second half, and if we can play like this without Sheva, woe be unto the sides we face when he is in the line up!
What say y'all to the suggestion that Dhorasoo play for Gattuso? Based on the few times I saw him in France, he seemed full of running. Does he tackle as well as he runs? If he does, then I am sure he should fill Rino's place, especially in UCL games, when we need someone who can pass the ball with a better level of accuracy.
acmilan89
26-11-2004, 21:31
What say y'all to the suggestion that Dhorasoo play for Gattuso? Based on the few times I saw him in France, he seemed full of running. Does he tackle as well as he runs? If he does, then I am sure he should fill Rino's place, especially in UCL games, when we need someone who can pass the ball with a better level of accuracy.
To a certain extent, I agree with you about the similarity between Gattuso and Dhorasoo. Both of them run a lot in the midfield. And their body size is more or less the same too. :) But apart from that excellent tackle he made almost at the end of the game against Shaktar Donesk, Dhorasoo is still behind Gattuso when it comes to dispossesing the ball off his opponents.
I've also said earlier that Dhorasoo's runs sometimes seemed quite random, in a sense that he doesn't seem to know what to do when he goes "somewhere". He's almost every where on the pitch but almost no where at the same time.
ACMILAN1983
26-11-2004, 21:43
To a certain extent, I agree with you about the similarity between Gattuso and Dhorasoo. Both of them run a lot in the midfield. And their body size is more or less the same too. :) But apart from that excellent tackle he made almost at the end of the game against Shaktar Donesk, Dhorasoo is still behind Gattuso when it comes to dispossesing the ball off his opponents.
I agree with you on this
Kurt Cobain
27-11-2004, 09:16
What say y'all to the suggestion that Dhorasoo play for Gattuso? Based on the few times I saw him in France, he seemed full of running. Does he tackle as well as he runs? If he does, then I am sure he should fill Rino's place, especially in UCL games, when we need someone who can pass the ball with a better level of accuracy.
According to what I read on tgcom.it, Ancelotti agree with you and will try a midfield with Ambro, Dhorasoo, Seedorf and Rui tomorrow, against Chievo. An interesting option.
Comparing two players in the same team is not an exact science. Although I like very much the potential of Dhorasso, he has still to prove himself as a defensive, tough midfielder and someone who gives 120% - you guessed it, Gattuso.
On top of it, Gattuso is a team leader, an inspiration and has pretty good offensive runs on the right side. Last year, his passing and techique has improved and we can expect more progess out of him. He is part of Milan's "spine", and except occasionally, must be a first team player. Milan won trophies in the past two years thanks to his contributions. Any talk of substituting him is not a valid option. As long as he is healthy, he should be automatically penciled in the formation.
Comparing two players in the same team is not an exact science. Although I like very much the potential of Dhorasso, he has still to prove himself as a defensive, tough midfielder and someone who gives 120% - you guessed it, Gattuso.
On top of it, Gattuso is a team leader, an inspiration and has pretty good offensive runs on the right side. Last year, his passing and techique has improved and we can expect more progess out of him. He is part of Milan's "spine", and except occasionally, must be a first team player. Milan won trophies in the past two years thanks to his contributions. Any talk of substituting him is not a valid option. As long as he is healthy, he should be automatically penciled in the formation.
Unfortunately, he is one of those who still misses a lot of simple passes in the team.
Interestingly, not Pirlo.
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