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Maltese Charlie
28-12-2004, 11:10
Berlusconi Silvio is leaving Milan's presidency the next 2nd January2005.
His son Piersilvio most probably will take over.
Milan: Berlusconi Lascera' La Presidenza Nel 2005
Mar 28 Dic, 2:23 PM
(AGI/DS) , 28 dic. - Silvio Berlusconi lascera' la presidenza del Milan il prossimo 2 gennaio 2005. - Ad annunciarlo e' il quotidiano di mercati finanziari 'Milano Finanza'. L'annuncio ufficiale non e' ancora stato dato, ma sembra che la decisione sia ormai presa.La sofferta decisione e' imposta dalla nuova normativa Antitrust che prevede il divieto per i titolari di cariche di governo di ricoprire cariche o uffici o svolgere altre funzioni in societa' aventi fini di lucro o in attivita' di rilievo imprenditoriale. A sostituire Berlusconi sara' con ogni probabilita' il figlio Piersilvio
ACMILAN1983
28-12-2004, 11:48
This story has been going on a while I think. Well, shame to lose the president, but it happens
:happy:
A late Christmas present.
AC MILAN OFFICIAL ANNOUNCEMENT
12/28/2004
A.C. Milan have announced that president Silvio Berlusconi has resigned his post at the club to respect the antitrust law 215/2004. The post that the president has held since March 24, 1986 will be temporarily vacant.
Piersilvio Berlusconi is most likely to fill the presidency.
Forza Milan
Well, he is still the owner and his son is president. This is only a cosmetic change and will most likely not affect the running of the club at all.
I join you in thanking Berlusconi for all the joys he have brought us and hope for this to continue long into the future.:)
i know a lot of people don't like silivo but even if ye dont everyone here should realise he is the main reason we are so successful. personally i admire someone who doesn't come from a privelleged background and ends up being leader of his country, owning tv channels and also the best football team in the world. how cool is that?
whenever i see him on tv he seems to be an easy going person who likes to enjoy himself and someone who is not overly serious. he also seems to have a good sense of humour i remember reading in the economist when there was some important EU meeting on about the EU constitution he said lets talk about football and women instead. Gerhard (Schroeder)(German PM) you have had 4 wives, you should be able to talk about women!
in effect with his son taking over I think while not legally remaining the boss he will in substance
Giovanni
28-12-2004, 15:30
:happy:
A late Christmas present.
would you prefer Moratti?
i stil can't undeerstand how is it possible to be against our president from a sportive point of view (whihc is the only one meant here).
Aww, I wub you Silvio! :D
Thank you so much Silvio, you are the Don.
I regrettably have to say that i do not think that we will ever see him as our president ever again, however, things could be much worse,
1) I presume he still owns the majority of shares in the club
2) I hope, really hope, that his son will take over (who will undoubtedly inherit his fortune) which, less face it, is the main reason that we are arguably the most professionally run football organisation on the planet,
3) Dr Galliani will remain, advising Pier-Silvio.
Grazie Don Silvio, per Siempre!
Three cheers for Silvio
:1ole: :1ole:
a report from www.channel4.com
Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi has resigned as President of Serie A champions Milan.
The Rossoneri confirmed the news this evening, bringing an end to Berlusconi’s long relationship with the outfit.
Berlusconi has been the Milan chief since March 1986, turning the then struggling outfit into the best team on the planet.
The politician has been forced to resign after 18 years due to the introduction of a new law concerning conflicts of interest.
Milan have stated that the role will remain vacant for now, even if Berlusconi’s son Piersilvio is being tipped to replace his father.
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as a person.. i hate silvio berlusconi with all my heart and he is the most corrupt person to ever grace planet earth IMO
as president of milan well he made us what we are... but i wont thank him for that, hes still the corrupt ******* he always was, ill thank the milan crew instead. i could forgive him if he employs me at milan tho :D
Giovanni
28-12-2004, 19:42
corrupt ?
is there a formal sentence which states that?
guys, you allege people of supposed facts which haven't been proved through hundreds of prosecutions..it's a plain abuse, a lie, and an unfair act against a man who has brought you happyness and glory.
italian law names everyone who hasn't been condamned by every ofl the 3 stages of Italian Courts INNOCENT, until the sentence cannot be modiefied anymore, because all the Juridicial instruments to prove the contrary have been used.
if you were coherent you would refuse to support a team in which players are signed with dirty moneys
In facts, instead, it's too good to cheer for Milan and for the player Berlusconi signed (and when we sign them strangely noone mentions corruption) but when you like it, in some particular subjects, corruption comes back again ..
this is a complex issue and i would explain it very easily in my own language,hope you all get what i mean
would you prefer Moratti?
i stil can't undeerstand how is it possible to be against our president from a sportive point of view (whihc is the only one meant here).
I'll thank him for what he's done for Milan. That said, I would prefer a Berlusconi-less Milan.
I don't think that's a sacrilege.
Giovanni
28-12-2004, 19:59
I'll thank him for what he's done for Milan. That said, I would prefer a Berlusconi-less Milan.
I don't think that's a sacrilege.
For once i though you were about to thank Moratti for what he's done for Milan, which makes sense as well though
Grazie Massimo :hopefull:
For once i though you were about to thank Moratti for what he's done for Milan, which makes sense as well though
Grazie Massimo :hopefull:
Hahaha :sagrin:
Grazie Massimo indeed :star:
If we want to get beyond the "political" and personal aspect:
Absolutely nothing is changed except the nominal "title" of President. Silvio Berlusconi is still the main owner of Milan and calls the shots. He will make the major decisions and Galliani will execute them for him.
His resignation is only a result of a new regulation prohibiting Government officials from having "conflict of interest" titles with private companies. In one word, it means nothing, and whoever the new Milan president is, he will only be Berlusconi's valet.
As to his involvement with AC Milan in general, we must all admit he has the guts, the money, and the passion to improve the team.
The above is not a comment on his politics, which are debatable, nor on his personality ( I believe he was involved in a few shady deals in his past - so have been most millionaires and power brokers in this world).
Milan can and will continue to win for we have some of the best players in the world, plus dedicated fans.
Happy New Year to all.
Italy Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi has stepped down as Milan president following almost 20 years at the helm.
Berlusconi, who has been in charge of the club since 1986, was forced to resign his post to comply with a new law on conflicts of interest.
During Berlusconi's reign Milan have won the UEFA Champions League four times along with winning the Scudetto a stunning seven times.
The former Rossoneri supremo revealed his sadness at having to leave the job he loved.
"Of course I'm sad. I'm very sad," he said.
"In any case, in the years I've been president, I've won more than anybody else in the world - in international championships, that is."
Milan legend Paolo Maldini stated that the club was more to Berlusconi than just a business venture.
"It will have been a very painful decision for Berlusconi even if stepping down as president does not mean abandoning the team completely," said Maldini.
"I am sure he will always be close to us. For Berlusconi, Milan is not a company to make money but an affair of the heart."
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:eekani: :eekani: does anyone know what this will mean for the club?
If we want to get beyond the "political" and personal aspect:
Absolutely nothing is changed except the nominal "title" of President. Silvio Berlusconi is still the main owner of Milan and calls the shots. He will make the major decisions and Galliani will execute them for him.
His resignation is only a result of a new regulation prohibiting Government officials from having "conflict of interest" titles with private companies. In one word, it means nothing, and whoever the new Milan president is, he will only be Berlusconi's valet.
As to his involvement with AC Milan in general, we must all admit he has the guts, the money, and the passion to improve the team.
The above is not a comment on his politics, which are debatable, nor on his personality ( I believe he was involved in a few shady deals in his past - so have been most millionaires and power brokers in this world).
Milan can and will continue to win for we have some of the best players in the world, plus dedicated fans.
:clap: :clap: :clap:
Bravo! You've summed it up perfectly!
well, we're like the 3rd richest team on the planet whatever happens. not rich in the chelsea, mad billionaire chairmen way, rich in the pure income that we pull in. though Silvio occasionally splashed out for a big player (rui costa was very much due to his cash injection), something which we'll not get to do now.
but overall I think it's a good thing, he was critisizing carlo and awful lot about this 2 strikers thing. now he can't, he has no place complaining about the team.
That said, I would prefer a Berlusconi-less Milan.
Well, you mean just a "a Berlusconi-less Milan" or rather "a Berlusconi's-Money-less Milan"? Your joyful claim sounds to me quite hypocrisy.
BTW, AC Milan official website just makes it all very clear "The owners remain Fininvest".(Belu's holding company, which finances Milan's big signings and helps Milan with its finanical book balance.)
Josh's post has very well said what I want to say. Without Belu's "stink" money, without Belu's gut, without Belu's vision, Milan is NOWHERE close to what it is today. Thank you, President!
Giovanni
29-12-2004, 11:19
If we want to get beyond the "political" and personal aspect:
Absolutely nothing is changed except the nominal "title" of President. Silvio Berlusconi is still the main owner of Milan and calls the shots. He will make the major decisions and Galliani will execute them for him.
His resignation is only a result of a new regulation prohibiting Government officials from having "conflict of interest" titles with private companies. In one word, it means nothing, and whoever the new Milan president is, he will only be Berlusconi's valet.
Bravo Josh
Gabrielle
29-12-2004, 11:45
Is Piersilvio Berlusconi taking over his dad as Milan's president ? Or is it Galliani?
Without Berlusconi Milan today would be like Fiorentina or maybe Napoli. Thanks Silvio.
However he will still be putting 'his money' in the club. As president it will be descided in the club's AGM next April, favourite is Galliani, but his son PierSilvio is one of the candidate.
he is corrupt and u all know that... but he is also a great president... besides all politicians are corrupt ... only few arent
he is corrupt and u all know that... but he is also a great president... besides all politicians are corrupt ... only few arent
I love it when the Internet kids pretends to know things they have no idea about. Judging people they don't know and don't even live in the same country as.
as much as i dislike berlusconi as a politician, i respect him as a soccer president. it is bitter sweet for me - sweet because someone i dislike is not the president of the club i absolutley adore, and bitter for me because he was president for as long as i can remember and brought so much to our beloved club.
So out of respect I will say thank you Mr. President for all you have done.
(reality is, nothing will change if piersilvio is the new pres)
vickirin
29-12-2004, 16:25
My god!!!
I cant see a good thing about the man who brought back milan to the big stage , sure he has hsi own style but nothing will change his place in the rossonero aura.
It's a pitty i'm shocked , i just want to say that he'll always be close to us and we'll always be close to him. :devf:
Forza Milan!!!!
Maltese Charlie
29-12-2004, 18:18
he is corrupt and u all know that... but he is also a great president... besides all politicians are corrupt ... only few arent
I really don't know the result of your serious and intelligent investigation about Berlusconi's corruption, which I believe even the Italian magistrates feel jealous for your state of the art investigation as they cannot find him guilty as you did, but please do not include us all to your findings.
I DO NOT KNOW that Berlusconi is corrupt! May be because I am stupid and my intelligence is only 1 step ahead of a monkey. I.e. I never make judgement on other persons on what I heard, but only on facts
Well, you mean just a "a Berlusconi-less Milan" or rather "a Berlusconi's-Money-less Milan"? Your joyful claim sounds to me quite hypocrisy.
BTW, AC Milan official website just makes it all very clear "The owners remain Fininvest".(Belu's holding company, which finances Milan's big signings and helps Milan with its finanical book balance.)
Josh's post has very well said what I want to say. Without Belu's "stink" money, without Belu's gut, without Belu's vision, Milan is NOWHERE close to what it is today. Thank you, President!
There's no reason to suspect that there can't be run a business out of Milan even without Berlu's cash injections. Financial reorganization and other changes but I have faith in that the club would survive nevertheless.
Imho it won't hurt the Club's image not to be associated with Berlusca and his billions. The question is what would you do without them.
1. I am not impressed.
2. Yes and that is why I don't pretend to know "facts" about Berlusconi .
3. While I find it disturbing that you would "hate someon with all your heart" because of some alleged polictical orientation I find it more disturbing that you say "u all know that". when you say that you move away from presenting your opinion to claiming it is a allknown fact.
He didn't present it as a opinion, he presented it as a "all know fact". That is a big difference.
fine... then enjoy this
especially read the last part (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvio_Berlusconi)
this is as reliable as it can get
I always thought that given the choice Berlusconi would have stepped down from the Italian Prime Ministership!!
fine... then enjoy this
especially read the last part (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silvio_Berlusconi)
this is as reliable as it can get
What do you mean with the last part? Anyway:
Italian public opinion is split in judging his actions and controversial personality. To some he is a corrupt figure of hate, to others he is the leader driving Italy forward.
Note the "to some". You said "all" and this is just saying that some have a low opinion of him.
about the legal issues it says nothing about them being true and:
This section contains controversial paragraphs which are not backed up with sources. The section needs to be updated with links and references or corrected before it can be seen to meet Wikipedia's standards.
Wikipedia is not as "reliable" as you claim too, but more importantnothing in it supported your claim.
There's no reason to suspect that there can't be run a business out of Milan even without Berlu's cash injections. Financial reorganization and other changes but I have faith in that the club would survive nevertheless.
Imho it won't hurt the Club's image not to be associated with Berlusca and his billions. The question is what would you do without them.
Possible, but that is quite a naive opinion. Add to that there is not many presidents in the world that have anything close to Belusconis track record.
surviving is not the issue, who want to be Lazio?
AC-GIOFFRE
29-12-2004, 22:39
Silvio Berlusconi has caused problems in the past and has now got himself in a bit of trouble. He has done good for Milan though.
I hope Milan will still perform the way they have been doing and that it does not let the team down.
surviving is not the issue, who want to be Lazio?
Word, in an interview a few years ago Galliani said that he would have to sell many stars if Berlusconi did not inject money into the club every year.
Hasan Rossonero
30-12-2004, 00:51
I am confident Silvio Berlusconi will keep giving us financial support. Under his
reign we have done great things. I mean Moratti quit Inter but he is very much behind the scenes.
I love it when the Internet kids pretends to know things they have no idea about. Judging people they don't know and don't even live in the same country as.
some would classify you as one of the "Internet kids" that "pretend to know things they have no idea about" too. :) You also did exactly what you accused someone else of doing - "judging people they don't know and don't even live in the same country as." :hammer:
kris, since when did you become silvio's PR manager on milanmania? people have a right to disapprove of who they want. I have made no secret of my dislike of berlu as a politician. does that make me less of a man than you? Respect opinions - even if they seem far fetched and implausible to you. I won't force you to dislike berlu just like you can't force others to love him. You also can't prevent others from voicing their opinions here just because you don't agree with them. :1ang:
I am confident Silvio Berlusconi will keep giving us financial support. Under his
reign we have done great things. I mean Moratti quit Inter but he is very much behind the scenes.
don't freaking use moratti as an example lol. :yuck:
Word, in an interview a few years ago Galliani said that he would have to sell many stars if Berlusconi did not inject money into the club every year.
there's a reason why Milan have the best striker in the world - it's called $$. I don't doubt Sheva's loyalty and love for Milan but if Juventus had courted him while he was in Dynamo Kiev and offered him more $$, he may have ended up wearing the white and black stripes of Juve. It was Berlusconi who brought three of the best players in the world in recent history to Milan - Van Basten, Savicevic and Shevchenko. Period. Respect that if you don't respect his politics and say thank you :)
i hope him leaving doesnt affect our transfer market
1. Some would classify you as one of the "Internet kids" that "pretend to know things they have no idea about" too. :) You also did exactly what you accused someone else of doing - "judging people they don't know and don't even live in the same country as." :hammer:
2. kris, since when did you become silvio's PR manager on milanmania? people have a right to disapprove of who they want. I have made no secret of my dislike of berlu as a politician.
3. does that make me less of a man than you? Respect opinions - even if they seem far fetched and implausible to you.
4. I won't force you to dislike berlu just like you can't force others to love him.
5. You also can't prevent others from voicing their opinions here just because you don't agree with them. :1ang:
1. Yes please tell me where I judged someone. Or don't mean I judged the "Internet kid"? :D That is a description I use for people who pretends to know things and talks for others as in this case.
2. I also wonder that, I never been his PR manager in anyway. I just don't like hearing baseless claims and the spewing of hate. I never said people don't have a right to disprove, I said that if you have accusations you better back them up and you sure can't go around saying that your opinion is "everyones" opinion like Mk18 did.
3. Please point to the post where I did not respect a "opinion".
4. I never tried and I don't have that much of a political opnion of him as I aknowledge that I do know to little.
5. Please point to where I prevented someone from voicing their opinion.
Just a quick question for any of you politico's out there, whats the exact background to the Conflict of Interest Bill? I was thinking about this and I guess I came to the conclusion that if I were PM of Italy or anywhere else for that matter, would I have enabled the passing of a bill that would mean giving up one of my passions? Granted guys i'm not up on my Italian politics or how the system there works so I'd be grateful of any enlightenment!!
shevaandkaka'
30-12-2004, 12:58
but he will always be milans best fan
ı love him so much
grazie berlusconi
shevaandkaka'
30-12-2004, 13:05
as a person.. i hate silvio berlusconi with all my heart and he is the most corrupt person to ever grace planet earth IMO
as president of milan well he made us what we are... but i wont thank him for that, hes still the corrupt ******* he always was, ill thank the milan crew instead. i could forgive him if he employs me at milan tho :D
what a milan fan are you crazy?please stop insulting milanistas
shevaandkaka'
30-12-2004, 13:25
ı agree with you without berlu my milan would be like fiorentina or napoli
milan owned by berlusconi and he only resign because of he is also the prime minister of italia.he loves milan more than anyone.
piersilvio will be our new president.berlu didnt have time since he has been prime minister
berlusconi is the best milan fan and he will never sell our milan and berlusconi familly will have milan.
we will always be great.
I guess its to be expected that a discussion of Berlusconi will go into politics, but I am posting ONE MORE TIME to remind everybody not to insult and do your best not to reply if one insults you. If there is a problem contact a mod/admin privately and allow these things to be dealt with there and not posts on a thread.
This kind of thing has been happening too many times recently.
ı agree with you without berlu my milan would be like fiorentina or napoli
How sad.
It's true Berlu took over at a low point (although much improved since the days of relegation) but he didn't just buy any club. We'd not be where we are today without Berlu, but do not mistake, we're historically a Giant domestically and internationally.
Pre-Berlusconi we won more than Lazio, Fiorentina and Napoli have won until this date all of them put together. Give them another 20 years and I'm sure they'll not have caught up on that record. It's insulting to our history to be under the impression that everything stands or falls with one man.
Maltese Charlie
31-12-2004, 06:49
How sad.
It's true Berlu took over at a low point (although much improved since the days of relegation) but he didn't just buy any club. We'd not be where we are today without Berlu, but do not mistake, we're historically a Giant domestically and internationally.
Pre-Berlusconi we won more than Lazio, Fiorentina and Napoli have won until this date all of them put together. Give them another 20 years and I'm sure they'll not have caught up on that record. It's insulting to our history to be under the impression that everything stands or falls with one man.
First of all HAPPY NEW YEAR and PEACE be with you all, in favour and against Berlusconi. :D
Milan through out all the years without Berlusconi were the 3rd best in Italy, and the MERDA had a better track record than us.
Milan with Berlusconi as a president are the best in the world.
The step from the 3rd best in Italy to the best of the world is so huge that Milan nearly doubled (if not already doubled) the amount of trophies won in these last 18 years over the other 80 years (or how much) of history.
How can I be Against Berlusconi or worst HATE HIM as a Milan fan? The man has not only money, but he has BRAINS. He is so brainy that built his empire from scratch. He has vision. He sees things before his competitors. As regard to politics, I admire him as he built a party from scratch and becomes the biggest party in Italy and won the elections on his first run. For me this is another issue that proofs that he is genius and knows how to sell his product. But on political content I am not going to comment as this is a football forum and also it doesn't interest me. (I am not Italian and this is something specific for them)
PLEASE do not mix Politics with Football. I can not only understand someone who is against him in Politics, but I say it is important for democracy, as by different views politics grow healthier.
But as Milan's President, it is not logical for me that a Milan fan do not like him or worst hate him, when he is the best president MIlan ever had. Why wishing a change when you are on top.
When he bought Milan, he used to go to the stadium with a helicopter and a lot of bombasty. On his first meeting with the players he told them that he wants to built Milan as the best team in the world playing spetacular football, but nobody took him so seriously as Milan were a modest team in that time.
He also was the first to start building a large squad, Milan A and Milan B to compete successfully in both domestic and Champions league. At first he was very criticised, but later he was copied. He kept all his promises.
Milan were corrupt under Josy Farina as president and were relegated. The next season were promoted again as Champions of serie B. Back in serie A were relegated again as our team was mediocre.
I've been supporting Milan for over 36 years now. These last 18 years were Golden, but I cannot say the same for the other years I remember. And I'm sure that most of the people who remember quite well the period Pre-Berlusconi agree with me.
When Berlusconi goes (hope it will not happen in my time) :3band:
Milan continues to exist with all the ups and downs we had before, but to stay in the same standard as we had been in these last 18 years will not be guaranteed anymore, as successful persons as Berlusconi are not so common.
I am not insulting our history, I am telling FACTS. :rone:
First of all HAPPY NEW YEAR and PEACE be with you all, in favour and against Berlusconi. :D
Milan through out all the years without Berlusconi were the 3rd best in Italy, and the MERDA had a better track record than us.
Milan with Berlusconi as a president are the best in the world.
The step from the 3rd best in Italy to the best of the world is so huge that Milan nearly doubled (if not already doubled) the amount of trophies won in these last 18 years over the other 80 years (or how much) of history.
How can I be Against Berlusconi or worst HATE HIM as a Milan fan? The man has not only money, but he has BRAINS. He is so brainy that built his empire from scratch. He has vision. He sees things before his competitors. As regard to politics, I admire him as he built a party from scratch and becomes the biggest party in Italy and won the elections on his first run. For me this is another issue that proofs that he is genius and knows how to sell his product. But on political content I am not going to comment as this is a football forum and also it doesn't interest me. (I am not Italian and this is something specific for them)
PLEASE do not mix Politics with Football. I can not only understand someone who is against him in Politics, but I say it is important for democracy, as by different views politics grow healthier.
But as Milan's President, it is not logical for me that a Milan fan do not like him or worst hate him, when he is the best president MIlan ever had. Why wishing a change when you are on top.
When he bought Milan, he used to go to the stadium with a helicopter and a lot of bombasty. On his first meeting with the players he told them that he wants to built Milan as the best team in the world playing spetacular football, but nobody took him so seriously as Milan were a modest team in that time.
He also was the first to start building a large squad, Milan A and Milan B to compete successfully in both domestic and Champions league. At first he was very criticised, but later he was copied. He kept all his promises.
Milan were corrupt under Josy Farina as president and were relegated. The next season were promoted again as Champions of serie B. Back in serie A were relegated again as our team was mediocre.
I've been supporting Milan for over 36 years now. These last 18 years were Golden, but I cannot say the same for the other years I remember. And I'm sure that most of the people who remember quite well the period Pre-Berlusconi agree with me.
When Berlusconi goes (hope it will not happen in my time) :3band:
Milan continues to exist with all the ups and downs we had before, but to stay in the same standard as we had been in these last 18 years will not be guaranteed anymore, as successful persons as Berlusconi are not so common.
I am not insulting our history, I am telling FACTS. :rone:
nobody here said he hates him unless if it has to do with politics. as a milan prez everyone loves him including myslef... but his political presence makes me hate him.
by the way, just cuz he has brains and money doesnt mean i have to like him.
Maltese Charlie
31-12-2004, 08:21
nobody here said he hates him unless if it has to do with politics. as a milan prez everyone loves him including myslef... but his political presence makes me hate him.
by the way, just cuz he has brains and money doesnt mean i have to like him.
I am happy that you love him as a president of Milan.
And because he has Brains and money means he has all the ingredients to be the best president, so my logical says to be happy and proud to have the best successful president managing your favourite team.
As regarding HATE, I hate nobody. Hate is a very strong word.
I don't hate politicians which I do not agree with.
As I said before, It is important to have different opinions in a democracy, and I respect my political rivals very much although I do not agree with their beleives, as they are also serving my country in the best way they could, the same as my Party which I supports.
I think it is better to leave politics away from this forum, simply because politics and religion divide people if they are not very well matured, whilst football and Milan makes us UNITED.
am still grieving of berlusconi exit,by the way i have always known Silvio as
Don Corleone of Milan
Rapierist
31-12-2004, 15:11
Well............I'll be honest.
I never liked him. But he did the greatest things for my club. For that I am thankful to him.
I only hope that someone equally shrewd but not as sleazy as him succeeds him.
Milan was a great club even before Berlusconi was President. It was a great club while he was President. And it will remain a great club after he steps down.
By the way, who is going to succeed him?
Rapierist
31-12-2004, 15:13
Wait, I just read that. His son is going to be in charge??????
Nepotism........bloody nepotism!!!!!!
1. Yes please tell me where I judged someone. Or don't mean I judged the "Internet kid"? :D That is a description I use for people who pretends to know things and talks for others as in this case.
2. I also wonder that, I never been his PR manager in anyway. I just don't like hearing baseless claims and the spewing of hate. I never said people don't have a right to disprove, I said that if you have accusations you better back them up and you sure can't go around saying that your opinion is "everyones" opinion like Mk18 did.
3. Please point to the post where I did not respect a "opinion".
4. I never tried and I don't have that much of a political opnion of him as I aknowledge that I do know to little.
5. Please point to where I prevented someone from voicing their opinion.
if you are not up on your politics, then don't put down others who dislike him for their political views on him :)
i am not going to around looking through old posts and "poiining" out what you did and didn't do. you know what you did and it's up to interpretation. i have no time to go through old posts lol.
fine, if thats the way u want it? fuccko ... sorry thats the discription i use for annoying people like urself :D
lsn... if reply to anything i post one more time... i swear ill come to turkey and stick my foot up ur u know where... im sick of u, stop talking to me... ur nothing to me... just go F*ck off
admins and mods... excuse my language.. but please take into consideration what kris has told called me (it is annoying), and about that little brat that no1 likes, hes been on my back eversince i laughed at his 1st stupid post (besides many laughed with me).
you're being ridiculous. you want him to respect your opinion but now you are cussing him out? let's be mature people.
ACMILAN1983
01-01-2005, 11:58
but you must know that ım different from other turkish cuz ım great.
:rolleyes:
Can you two stop arguing all the time. You say you won't reply to each others posts and then you do!!!!
tbh, I'm shocked both of you haven't been banned by now anyway, never mind both of you asking mods to ban the other.
Both of you have made personal attacks at each other, as well as threatened each other!
Both of you, just SHUT UP!!! Your leaving the mods/admins with no choice but to end up banning both of you. STOP replying to each others post (if thats what it takes) and just drop the argument!!!
HEy MK18 just relax man! Please stop arguing with each other STOP!!! :p231:
Enough really is enough.
My apologies to everyone here at MM. I'm a very patient person, I guess I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt and hope that people will figure out how we post here without having to give some sort of lecture about "how we do things here." Sometimes it works, sometimes people "get it" and fit right in. Unfortunately sometimes we also run into those who prefer to use these forums as their own personal playground, taking potshots at anyone they please no matter what is said, no matter how many times they are asked to simply STOP. mk18 and shevaandkaka' have been barred for one month b/c of their actions and attitudes.
Debs,
I do not blame you for putting these two members on a one month's probation. We all argue our points (sometimes in an agressive way) and that is expected in an open forum.
Yet cursing and threatening should not be allowed.
A couple of weeks ago (on December 19) user shevaandkaka' posted in Turkish an obscene and curse-filled post in an argument with user Cengiz. I know enough of the language from my years in Turkey to understand every filthy implication (it involves mothers, body parts, rapes, etc.etc). It is noteworthy that shevaandkaka' chose to write in a foreign language and thought no one would understand its meaning. Please feel free to have it translated if you wish - and prepare yourself for a shock.
May I recommend you erase this December 19 post completely for it is a filthy shame and does not belong on Milanmania. In addition, you may warn this user not to post curses in any language after he returns from probation.
I know I do not wish to read any of shevaandkaka' posts or opinions in the future. Something tells me I speak for other members as well.
A couple of weeks ago (on December 19) user shevaandkaka' posted in Turkish an obscene and curse-filled post in an argument with user Cengiz. I know enough of the language from my years in Turkey to understand every filthy implication (it involves mothers, body parts, rapes, etc.etc). It is noteworthy that shevaandkaka' chose to write in a foreign language and thought no one would understand its meaning. Please feel free to have it translated if you wish - and prepare yourself for a shock.
Thank you for your support Josh. And please help us by sending a PM to one of the mods if you find posts that are offensive or generally out of order.
We are all working hard at making Milan Mania the best forum online :3band:
Thanks for the warning Josh, I appreciate it. the thing is, and the reason we mods hesitated to outright ban these 2, is that they hadn't really broken any rules to the point of needing to be kicked out....completely kicked out. I may change my mind and shift the bar to an outright ban, we'll discuss it. At any rate, everyone needs to remember they can always PM me with problems, or Rezag or any of the mods. We look at every complaint we get! :3band:
ACMILAN1983
03-01-2005, 16:40
You know guys, you guys shouldn't just get complaints ;)
I praise you guys for the work you do to keep the quality of the forum and I praise the posters who contribute well :1ole:
You banned Mk18 and shevaandkaka?
AC-GIOFFRE
04-01-2005, 08:14
EVERYONE
I personaly don't give a sh-t about Burlusconi and Politics in Italy.
All I care about is that I want Milan to stay on top, like the way they are.
I hope Berlusconi leaving won't mean that Milan will be gone in years to come like I heard someone say.
You banned Mk18 and shevaandkaka?
No, we have an option called barring--they can visit the site but cannot post for one month. We don't use that option often enough whern it comes to people who push things too far. :wallbang:
EVERYONE
I personaly don't give a sh-t about Burlusconi and Politics in Italy.
All I care about is that I want Milan to stay on top, like the way they are.
I hope Berlusconi leaving won't mean that Milan will be gone in years to come like I heard someone say.
Imho in the end Berlusconi is kind of an abramovic. He brought Milan a good squad but Milan was there before Berlusconi and Milan will still be there after Berlusconi. He is jst a man with (much, much, much) money on the sideline but money can't buy my respect.
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