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Giovanni

08-01-2005, 18:04

With the great performances of Crespo (thanks god!) and the sure arrival of Gila it 's pretty obvious we won't keep 5 strikers:

-Shevchenko
-Crespo
-Gilardino
-Inzaghi
-Tomasson

Gila and Sheva are untouchables for obvious reasons, but the situation is pretty complicated:

A) Crespo is likely to stay but costs a bunch of millions; we are gonna make a huge investiment in Gila , so the possible spalsh of moneys is really huge..

1)First Scenario: Crespo is sent back regardless of his season's performances: he costs too much (unlikely scenario if you ask me)

Consequences: we keep Gila , Sheva, Tomasson and Inzaghi

2)Second Scenario: Crespos stays, and Milan , instead of splashing moneys, gives Chelsea a very good player like Kaladze or Tomasson..It's a sacrifice but we wouldn't splash moneys

Consequences: we keep Shevchenko, Gila, Crespo and one between Inzaghi and Tomasson

B) Assuming Crespo is confirmed, we would have

-Shevchenko
-Crespo
-Gilardino

and we should decide who confirm:

-Inzaghi OR Tomasson

1)First Scenario: Inzaghi is sold; HUGELY UNLIKELY He's already started to talk about his future inside the society and his feeling is incredible with our management. His market worth is not that impressive now, because he's almost 32 and his wage is big big big, so hardly can see him sold away.

2)Second Scenario: Tomasson is sold: RATHER LIKELY because his market worth is very high, almost 15 millions, because he's rather young (28 more or less) and he's a model professionist, already proven in the toughest league in Europe.

FINAL THOUGHTS: I think we'll confirm Crespo and due to Gila's arrival, and Sheva's position, we'll have to make an hard choice: selling Inzaghi or Tomasson, and Tomasson is the one who'll leave.

I must say i'm very sad, because he's a very useful player, like Luca Serafini descibed him, the :star: BEST 12ND PLAYER IN THE WORLD :star:

Xudong

08-01-2005, 18:11

why can't we have 5 strikers? maybe we can afford all of them. after all, next season there will more games since we will have to defend the scudetto, champions league title and not to forget, italian cup title. :D :D :D

Giovanni

08-01-2005, 18:17

man, 5 strikers are one thing, 5 primedonne are another one ;)

Reza

08-01-2005, 18:31

In my opinion its likely we keep 5, and I actually like the idea. But if one is going it won't be Pippo, can't see that happening at all.

Giovanni

08-01-2005, 19:23

Keeping 5 is the most unlikely IMO.

Can't see it happening, it means we should have Crespo and Inzaghi on our bench while Gila plays and Tomasson on San Siro's terraces

Reza

08-01-2005, 19:29

Maybe you are right but I think 5 is not too many (for any top team not just Milan) considering the schedules and injury possibilities.

martin

08-01-2005, 21:56

well if rui leaves then we cud have 5 strikers because that wud give us options, our starters: kaka,sheva,gila n our back up who we can field if our starters are tired: Tomasson, inzaghi, crespo

Christopher

09-01-2005, 02:20

it seems they are also thinking about adding a body in the mid field after Rui goes, perhaps not a starter but a bench player . . . perhaps one for the five strikers will be go out on loan someone like Tomasson . . . Pippo, and Sheva sure as hell arn't going anywhere if we get Gila and manage to keep Crespo that is a strong group of strkers . . . however when a player is sent out on Loan doesn't that typically lead to an eventual transfer ?

guest

09-01-2005, 05:53

5 strikers are too much , if you consider about the injury possibilites , 5 strikers maybe also not enough ,haha , but since Inzaghi just continue his contract to 2009 , how could you think Milan will sell him out immediately ? just forget it ...., if Gila comes , there is also no position for crespo , and I am not sure about crespo's proformance if he has to be put on bench sometimes and he is 30 years old , the ideal solution is keep Tomasson and send back him

kenny_shev

09-01-2005, 05:54

Giovanni

09-01-2005, 06:25

Giovanni

09-01-2005, 06:31

The world game ( a normally realiable source of information about soccer in Australia) today reported that we are now structuring a deal that sees Crespo staying with us while Kaladze & Tomasson heading the other way. If this is true, it would rather be expensive. Kaladze, in my book, is a quality player with some years left in him. I do want Crespo to stay (if he keeps his form) but only for a reasonable price.

Kaladze will go just in case HE wants to go..in that case we can't help it.

Tomasson is the most likely for the reasons mentioned above.

Tomasson + 3 MLN = Crespo

Btw this is just one of the possible scenarios, it's a chess game and everything can happen.

The point i take for granted is that we'll have Sheva, Gila annd quite probably Crespo and Inzaghi..then it'll be arranged, even because Zio Fester has said he's a good friend of Abramovich..and in Italy "good friend" means he won't be a troublemaker and won't ask for too much moneys..
He can always need a favour back and Milan is a good friend to keep close :cool: :gun:

guest

09-01-2005, 07:21

crespo will remain, esp if he gives a great help to win some silverware..in that case it'd be 100% certain
But nobody know the situation would like to be from now till the end of April, Is it right ? and we just discuss about the reasonable and possible square of Milan in next season , if you think Crespo will remain for sure , there seems no reason for your optional title exisited , :cool: , as for the leaving of Inzaghi , even the media of Italy are not mentioned till now,

Giovanni

09-01-2005, 07:32

But nobody know the situation would like to be from now till the end of April, Is it right ? and we just discuss about the reasonable and possible square of Milan in next season , if you think Crespo will remain for sure , there seems no reason for your optional title exisited , :cool: , as for the leaving of Inzaghi , even the media of Italy are not mentioned till now,
sorry i don't get completely what you mean

kenny_shev

09-01-2005, 11:32

Giovani, I guess what he/she meant is that nothing is absolutely sure at this stage i.e there is still a chance Crespo will go back Chelski. In regards to the Inzaghi leavin issues, nobody even the media in Italy has mentioned it.

Koeke

09-01-2005, 12:40

Xudong

09-01-2005, 12:56

we will end up with either crespo or gila I don't think we'll have them both
Crespo will probably send back, I heard milan didn't get an buy option on him and his wage is astronomical, even now he is partly paid by chelsea

you are right, we don't have a purchase option on crespo, and his wage CURRENTLY is huge. but if he delivers, I am quite sure that he will stay. don't forget, he is one of ancelotti's dearest boys. even when he was so out of shape, ancelotti never lost any hope on him. let alone he is scoring like crazy.

giliardino is an investment for the future, and we very likely will include him in the squad. according to Gio, we have been watching him since he was 15, then i do think he will join us.

i would, IN THE BEST SCENARIO IHMO, love to see five attackers remain. why not, berlusconi IS STILL OUR BOSS. :3band:

Edmando

09-01-2005, 16:31

Let me share my thought with ya:

Ok. If we going to keep 5 strikers, then I think Tomasson will be used as an attacking midfielder. I think he played in that slot before and I don't see the reason why not move him there (Of course, that means Rui won't be seeing any time on the field). So my thought is: how much are we going to spend to get both Gilardino and Crespo to stay in milan? Gilardino probably worth 15-20 mil (Correct me if i am wrong). So, to reduce that amount of money, I believe milan would send a couple guys to Parma (if they get to stay in serie A) - most probably either Kutuzov or Borriello. so the deal will be something like 10 mil + player. For Crespo, hack, i think if there is any chance to negotiate, we might get the loan extended for another year or so. But if we were to buy him, i don't think Chelsea needs Tomasson nor Kaladze. I don't see they will be adding any of other players. So, based on what has happened in chelsea, if they don't need their players, they will sell it in a rather reasonable price - I guess under 10 mil. So with 20 mil and a player, we get two top class strikers and I think it's possible.

Goirre

10-01-2005, 14:31

Assuming we get Gila, there are 3 players that will definitely not leave: Shev, Pippo... and Gila of course. And as I think 5 strikers are 1 too many, either Hernan or JDT could leave. Hernan seems to be a better option to stay right now, but I think JDT still has a lot to show us this season. I guess it will all come down to who is more consistent from here until the end of the season.

Rapierist

10-01-2005, 15:02

1)First Scenario: Crespo is sent back regardless of his season's performances: he costs too much (unlikely scenario if you ask me)

Consequences: we keep Gila , Sheva, Tomasson and Inzaghi

In fact, Crespo has only just started to show his worth for Milan. He has a tough job ahead of him to keep the performances going. So unless he is consistent for the rest of the season, he could well be sent back to Chelsea.

But, I hear that he wnts to stay in Italy. Maybe we can persudae him to take a little bit of a wage cut. He gets what he wants, a future with a top team in Italy and we can keep him for a reasonable price. He will remeber what happened to Rivaldo because of his reluctance to take a pay cut.

We do not have a buy option but Chelsea would be looking to offload him. He hasn't been the best in England. And since we are one of the few clubs who can give Chelsea a decent price, I think we can negotiate a reasonable price for his transfer.

2)Second Scenario: Crespos stays, and Milan , instead of splashing moneys, gives Chelsea a very good player like Kaladze or Tomasson..It's a sacrifice but we wouldn't splash moneys

Consequences: we keep Shevchenko, Gila, Crespo and one between Inzaghi and Tomasson

Chelsea have an abundance of left-backs, and Tomasson has already flopped in England with Newcastle. So this scenario will not work.

1)First Scenario: Inzaghi is sold; HUGELY UNLIKELY He's already started to talk about his future inside the society and his feeling is incredible with our management. His market worth is not that impressive now, because he's almost 32 and his wage is big big big, so hardly can see him sold away.

If we get to keep a CONSISTENT Crespo, and go for Gilardino, this scenario is likely. However, I think Carletto will prefer to keep Inzaghi instead of Tomasson.

2)Second Scenario: Tomasson is sold: RATHER LIKELY because his market worth is very high, almost 15 millions, because he's rather young (28 more or less) and he's a model professionist, already proven in the toughest league in Europe.

This is the most likely scenario, but I do not think we'll get 15 million for him. More like 10 million euros or so, because he is not a regular starter. And since the clubs that are reported to be interested in him also have a number of first-choice strikers already available at their club.

FINAL THOUGHTS: I think we'll confirm Crespo and due to Gila's arrival, and Sheva's position, we'll have to make an hard choice: selling Inzaghi or Tomasson, and Tomasson is the one who'll leave.

A sorry situation, but I agree, is perhaps the most likely one. :(

Giovanni

10-01-2005, 15:23

I've heard that, assuming Crespo keeps to be consistent and gets confirmed, that he will half his wage.

Christopher

10-01-2005, 22:41

In fact, Crespo has only just started to show his worth for Milan. He has a tough job ahead of him to keep the performances going. So unless he is consistent for the rest of the season, he could well be sent back to Chelsea.

But, I hear that he wnts to stay in Italy. Maybe we can persudae him to take a little bit of a wage cut. He gets what he wants, a future with a top team in Italy and we can keep him for a reasonable price. He will remeber what happened to Rivaldo because of his reluctance to take a pay cut.

We do not have a buy option but Chelsea would be looking to offload him. He hasn't been the best in England. And since we are one of the few clubs who can give Chelsea a decent price, I think we can negotiate a reasonable price for his transfer.

Chelsea have an abundance of left-backs, and Tomasson has already flopped in England with Newcastle. So this scenario will not work.

If we get to keep a CONSISTENT Crespo, and go for Gilardino, this scenario is likely. However, I think Carletto will prefer to keep Inzaghi instead of Tomasson.

This is the most likely scenario, but I do not think we'll get 15 million for him. More like 10 million euros or so, because he is not a regular starter. And since the clubs that are reported to be interested in him also have a number of first-choice strikers already available at their club.

A sorry situation, but I agree, is perhaps the most likely one. :(

Other untouchables are Nesta and Kaka . . . I think Rui will be gone . . . we have no need for him if we were to use Kaka and Tomasson in the attacking mid fielder role, plus loosing Rui Costas contract will help pay for the contract of others unless we end up having to pay part of his contract with another team in order for them to take him off our hands . . . however I would rather just keep him if there were the case

BaggioForever

11-01-2005, 00:45

maybe fiorentina would wan Rui back?

In any case, i dun see tomasson leaving if he starts to perform..neither do i see the rest of the strikers going elsewhere. 5 strikers for a hectic campaign is not a problem IMO. So what is the problem now? Players not going to be satisfied being on the bench? or we cannot afford to pay for their salaries? do we REALLY have to offload any of them? Unless they r unhappy, the more the merrier isnt it?

kenny_shev

11-01-2005, 06:16

I just wonder one thing: How sure is the Gila's situation? We are discussing the issues in awaythat sounds like 'Gila was already at Milan'

Rapierist

11-01-2005, 13:38

So what is the problem now? Players not going to be satisfied being on the bench? or we cannot afford to pay for their salaries? do we REALLY have to offload any of them? Unless they r unhappy, the more the merrier isnt it?

Tomasson is at what people describe "the peak of a footballer's career". I don't think he'd be willing to fight out for a place with 4 top strikers. He might, but it seems highly unlikely.
And Inzaghi always wants to be in action. We all know he doesn't enjoy being a sub at all.

In an ideal situation, I think we'd be able to hold on to five top quality strikers. But I don't think it will happen.

Peachtot

12-01-2005, 00:37

So, how about putting robinho to that list ?
Dont wanna think twice before letting 1 or 2 strikers go..?

With JDT, Crespo, Pippo or Gila (officially confirmed?), where's the space for attacking midfielder or trequarista or second striker ?
Next year would be great time for rui to go out..
We need 1 player for his position..
Robinho would be good choice (like cafu said).

or Ancelloti want to leave player composition in the last 3 years..(with 2 or more attacking midfielder/trequarista)

Rapierist

12-01-2005, 03:55

So, how about putting robinho to that list ?
Robinho would be good choice (like cafu said).

I agree, we need a backup for Kaka, if Rui does leave at the end of the season. Which is quite likely.

However I do not think Robinho is the answer. We do have a good network for scouting players in South America. But since none of our scouts have been too excited about Robinho, I don't think he'd be that good a player in Serie A.
Robinho could well prove to be a transfer turkey like Riquelme or Diego (at Porto). Who may be good, but are nothing special.

Giovanni

12-01-2005, 04:23

if Rui does leave at the end of the season. Which is quite likely.

it isn't IMO.