View Full Version : Who Wİll Be Our Next Defender?
shevaandkaka'
05-02-2005, 14:19
Coluccİnİ Sİgned For Deportİvo And We Wİll Sİgn A Defender.but Who Wİll Be?chİvu Or Bonera?or Kompany
Kompany İs So Expensİve And İnter Wİll Sİgn Hİm.
Chİvu İs Fİrst Target,bonera İs Second.
Chİvu Costs Around 20 Mİllİon Euros And Bonera Costs At Most 10 Mİllİon Euros.
Chİvu İs Better Than Bonera.and Also Someone May Called Hİm As A İnjury Prone.İts Not Hİs Mİstake.İts Romas Medİcal Staffs Mİstake.
Bonera İs Not A Leader.chİvu İs A Great Leader.he İs The Only One Who Could Replace Paolo Maldİnİ İn My Opİnİon.
I Thİnk We Wİll Sİgn Chİvu And Costacurta And Maldİnİ Wİll Teach Everythİng To Chİvu.
I Lİke Zaccardo Very Much.he İs A Great Rİght Back.could He Be Cafus Replacement?i Dont Thİnk Zamparİnİ Wİll Sell Hİm.we Couldnt Fİnd A Better Replacement Than Zaccardo For Cafu?i Was So İmpressed Hİs Defensİve Skİlls.but Also Hİs Attackİng Skİlls.he Could Also Play As A Central Defender.
What Do You Thİnk About Chİvu,bonera And Zaccardo?i Need You Opİnİons.
I don't know what will happen on the defender front next season, except that it is likely that Jankulowski will join from Udine. If that happens I imagine that Kaladze will be his backup and that Pancaro will be moved out to the right (as a backup to Cafu).
One thing is for sure, I am glad we did not buy Mexes, like many people suggested last summer. That guy can play some truely horrible defending at times.
triniman
05-02-2005, 18:32
i expect to see them fielding kaladze in more of a central role from time to time from now on....he is versatile enough to do it and i think this may be in the works for them
BaggioForever
05-02-2005, 22:40
bring on bonera pls~
Rapierist
06-02-2005, 03:32
Is Bonera any good? I haven't seen much of him. But people here were raving about Coloccini too a couple of seasons ago, and I did not find him very impressive.
i expect to see them fielding kaladze in more of a central role from time to time from now on....he is versatile enough to do it and i think this may be in the works for them
That is a good point. Kaladze has certainly played in central postions before. If Ambrosini leaves, I imagine that he might move up to the central midfield
Given time, Coloccini would have been good for us. Although not spectacular, he showed he was a solid defender in Spain and i think it's a poor decision by Milan to have sold him, however i don't think he would have wanted to have been loaned out again. He made mistakes yes, but so would anyone else if you only had 3 or 4 games in the entire season to prove yourself.
Jankulovski is an obvious name to throw around and i think we may get cassetti/mesto too, i hope so at least as this will give us true attacking full-backs, which are vital to our game plan. Simic and Pancaro will probably go i think. As already mentioned Kaladze can cover centre-back if need be, while Maldini can be 3rd choice left-back and Stam can be 3rd choice right back (after Jankulovski & Kaladze and Cafu & Cassetti repectively).
A new centre-back ? It's a possibility, but while Costacurta is kicking around he's always going to be used before most new defenders, unless it's someone like Chivu or Samuel, 2 transfers that i don't see happening. Although Walter would be great :D
Im somehow very confident that our next defender will be Cristian Chivu.
I dont think we will get a defender who is currently playing in Serie A. If you ask me I think we might pick someone up either from the North or Eastern part of Europe. The bargains are most likely there for some players who are at the same ability as guys like chivu or bonera at half the cost. This is just a theory of mine. That's all.
I would like to see Chivu but there will be competition for his signature.
I think Mexes could be an option in a year or two as well.
Don't rate Bonera as highly as most people
If we are talking about a replacement for Maldini, then look no further, as we've already bought him, Alessandro Nesta.
However, Milan will almost surely not just look for bargains once Maldini retires.
Milan will splash all out so I pretty much expect a big name to come in when the #3 is gone.
shevaandkaka'
07-02-2005, 07:14
zaccardo is a great right back.
nesta and barzagli could be perfect
zaccardo nesta barzagli jankulovski
its perfect
my first choice is chivu ,second barzagli
he is so good
he is a leader.bonera is not a very good player.ı saw him recently inter he made some stupid mistake.everytime he does.
we wont sign bonera
i really dun wanna get bonera, he makes a lot of mistakes, he is never calm, n at times u dun even realize he is playin
I really excpect that Galliani wont sleep during following summer like he did last one...
My first choice would be Bonera... the second ... well I am not sure that we should be in hurry searching for defenders while our attacking side scares of new blood.
chİvu Or Bonera?or Kompany
Kompany İs So Expensİve And İnter Wİll Sİgn Hİm.
Kompany to inter? maybe but what are your sources?
how do you know how expensive he is?
do you think bonera and Chivu would come cheap or cheaper than Kompany?
get real...
shevaandkaka'
13-02-2005, 10:32
kompany is 20 milliıon euros.but he is a young talent.
bonera?ı dont want him here.he could go to juve.
chivu?the real defender.he is the only one to replace paolo maldini.his fee
is over 20 million euros.
but we cant buy kompany for 20 million euros.he is so expensive for a young talent.ı made many mistake.ı have doubt he is good enough to playing for milan.
imagine.you have bought kompany for 20 milliıon euros and he failed in serie A.YOU ARE İN 20 MİLLİONS DEBT.
BUT BUYİNG CHİVU HAS NO RİSK,BUYİNG KOMPANY HAS RİSK.
BARZAGLİ AND ZACCARDO COULD DO SÜPER İN MİLAN.
WHAT DO YOU THİNK ABOUT BARZAGLİ AND ZACCARDO?
This is my suggestion for Maldini's heir and replacement.
http://articles.energyradio.fm/anm/templates/ftf.aspx?articleid=179&zoneid=5
I have never seen a bigger talent ever :sun:
This is my suggestion for Maldini's heir and replacement.
http://articles.energyradio.fm/anm/templates/ftf.aspx?articleid=179&zoneid=5
I have never seen a bigger talent ever :sun:
OMG what a player, better than Baresi + Maldini :p017:
20 milion for a young boy is too much,but we can't miss the chance to buy him if he's really good in the future.If the price is lower than 20 milion will be great.We can buy him and lent him to a team in Seria A.Many excellent defenders appears from Seria A.and of course Chivu is my first choice,but we can't buy him easily because many opponents set the target on him too.Also,the relation between us and Roma is bad.Milan,Juve and Inter are the the teams they hate most.Just like they were not willing to sell Emerson to Juve.
20 mil is indeed way to much but I never heard of that amount except here on these forums. i'm sure anderlecht would settle if they got a bit more than half of it.
anderlecht rejected an 10 mil offer from man u last year (Kompany didn't want to go either, he wanted to finish high school). if milan offers a player(s) that anderlecht want on loan or perhaps on a permanent base and/or an agreement to work closely together in the future together with 12 mil €. I'm quite sure anderlecht would accept.
except wako abramo would come and offer 20 mil but I really doubt it
Brasileiro
03-03-2005, 09:58
Last year, people are very righ on Mexes...as I never had seen it to play, I respected the opinion of Mexes fans,and did not make commentary on his game, but right now I can say, this guy is a shame(and a Head case). I don´t understand this fascination for Bonera, I saw this guy playing for more than 2 years, he´s a good defender, but nothing more. Last year, when I said that Alex is the best young central defender for Milan, peolple that never saw Alex playing, bash the guy for cause of R. Junior:Brazilian defender??? oh no...as I said , right now the guy is considered the best defender in Holand. He´s also playing a great CL, and beside Kompany(I never saw him to play) Alex is the best YOUNG defender(and most important, ready to play) in the world.
P.S. an he solves one of our weakness, he has a great power free kick(like R. Carlos)
Peachtot
03-03-2005, 12:15
I dont know who is alex...
plz describe more specificly the strength and also the weakness...
zlatanov
03-03-2005, 13:05
Alex is definitely one of the best young defenders out there along with Kompany. he plays for PSV right now and I have read many articles saying that PSV is just a temporary stop on his way to Chelsea - it has been suggested that Roman has bought Alex and gave him to PSV to gain experience in Europe, at least that's what I have read on tgcom.it, goal.com, etc.
He is a defender with huge presence on the field - something like Stam or van Buyten. Alex easily weighs close to 100kg, at least at the time I saw him playing for Santos in Brazil, and is more than 1.90 m in height. As a Brazilian, has a very good ball control despite his size and, as one might expect, is very good in the air. Once up and running, his speed isn't bad at all for a guy of his size - actually pretty fast IMO - but I think he is a bit slow in the first 10 meters or so, which might be a problem for a championship like Serie A where there are a lot of quick and agile players.
Overall, a very solid defender but the pace of Serie A small-sized forwards could be a bit of a problem for him.
ACMILAN1983
03-03-2005, 14:30
Last year, people are very righ on Mexes...as I never had seen it to play, I respected the opinion of Mexes fans,and did not make commentary on his game, but right now I can say, this guy is a shame(and a Head case). I don´t understand this fascination for Bonera, I saw this guy playing for more than 2 years, he´s a good defender, but nothing more. Last year, when I said that Alex is the best young central defender for Milan, peolple that never saw Alex playing, bash the guy for cause of R. Junior:Brazilian defender??? oh no...as I said , right now the guy is considered the best defender in Holand. He´s also playing a great CL, and beside Kompany(I never saw him to play) Alex is the best YOUNG defender(and most important, ready to play) in the world.
P.S. an he solves one of our weakness, he has a great power free kick(like R. Carlos)
A good prospect, but I'm hesitant about him at Milan tbh, although that is the case with every young defender around at the moment, as none really seem capable of making the next great defender.
btw, I'd say his freekicks are better than Carlos' as he has more accuracy. But I agree, they are powerful like R.Carlos
everytime i see alex play im impressed
Brasileiro
04-03-2005, 01:07
everytime i see alex play im impressed
I´m a Alex fan since he played in Santos, so I´m a little biased...but this guy is a monster, and he´s only 22years...I remember that in his first game in CL against Arsenal , he made a own goal, but did not lose his confidence, and annulled Henry and Bergkamp(not easy). Even w/ that own goal they(PSV fans) had chosen him the MOM...I really hope that Alex´s not linked to Chelsea :wth: AND I REALLY HOPE THAT PARREIRA(our NT coach) PUT HIM IN SELEÇÃO!!!!!
..and Galianni in AC Milan :rock3:
Sorry for this biased post :o
its not biased at all its an good opinion where u did not offend anyone else
Peachtot
07-03-2005, 11:08
a good young brazillian defender and havent played in selecao ???
his free kick better than carlos and as powerful as the legend of free kick ???
wow...
just like....(i can't name it)
Brasileiro
07-03-2005, 12:55
a good young brazillian defender and havent played in selecao ???
his free kick better than carlos and as powerful as the legend of free kick ???
wow...
just like....(i can name it)
He played(and very good)in Brazil U-23 N.Team...Only crazy Parreira don´t call him for Seleção...but he´s young, and is playing a great Eurodivise and CL...so it´s just matter of time...
"just like...(I can name it)"...Peachot, I din´t catch your point...sorry
Gio-mania
07-03-2005, 14:51
Alèx seams like a good player, i've heard of him before- though i´ve never seen him play. but i know he has skill and talent. even though he might be a bit slow he would have Nesta beside him, so i dont think speed will disturb us too much. Lets hope chelsea aren't involved with him.
Chivu is also a star player.......... he's worth buying,. And also Kompany, never seen him play either.
can any of these 3 players play on the wing? cause Cafu and Pancaro are also running out,
i think we should get one of these 3 and then some one who can play on the wing, Mancíni for example.
we might not want to spend to much but i dont see it as a problem, we will earn a lot this year, cause we will win some trophy this year, either the CL or lo scudetto. plus, Berlusconi is one of the worlds richest people.
so spending spending a lot of money 1 year and being ready for 5 years is worth it.
i think atleast..
Peachtot
08-03-2005, 06:55
"just like...(I can name it)"...Peachot, I din´t catch your point...sorry
italian left back who also named another roberto carlo caused the special free kick...
Peachtot
08-03-2005, 07:27
i remember..alessandro parissi, i think
messina player
Brasileiro
08-03-2005, 10:42
i remember..alessandro parissi, i think
messina player
Thanks Peachtot!
We are talking about a deal no earlier than summer of 2007, unless a cheap talent, so getting Chivu in the way of Nesta would be ideal.
Brasileiro
05-04-2005, 12:28
Alex is definitely one of the best young defenders out there along with Kompany. he plays for PSV right now and I have read many articles saying that PSV is just a temporary stop on his way to Chelsea - it has been suggested that Roman has bought Alex and gave him to PSV to gain experience in Europe, at least that's what I have read on tgcom.it, goal.com, etc.
He is a defender with huge presence on the field - something like Stam or van Buyten. Alex easily weighs close to 100kg, at least at the time I saw him playing for Santos in Brazil, and is more than 1.90 m in height. As a Brazilian, has a very good ball control despite his size and, as one might expect, is very good in the air. Once up and running, his speed isn't bad at all for a guy of his size - actually pretty fast IMO - but I think he is a bit slow in the first 10 meters or so, which might be a problem for a championship like Serie A where there are a lot of quick and agile players.
Overall, a very solid defender but the pace of Serie A small-sized forwards could be a bit of a problem for him.
Great post, zlatanov. but IMO Alex firts 10 meters are above average...and I´m glad that Alex is work on this, as this little article in uefa.com show...
http://www.uefa.com/competitions/UCL/fixturesresults/round=1970/match=1084881/Report=SF.html
aceventura
05-04-2005, 13:03
I believe that Christian Chivu will take ,Maldinis' place in the future. Paolo signed until 2007 and that mean that we wont sign abig name to the center untill june 2007.
Chivu Said that he wants to remain in Rome and 2007 could be a perfect year for him to leave. We shouldnt spend big money on center defenders right now because we got three superstars defenders and young defender should play regulery and develop his skills and not sit on the bench to much. Personaly i want Mesto as a sub for Cafu. Mesto is very givted player and he got great attacking and defendig skills . It wouldnt be easy to find a replacemnet for cafu but Mesto is a great option.
why the AC MILAN dont buy the defensor of the BRESCIA
Gilberto Martinez is from Costa Rica and is really god and very fast
hitmannq8
18-04-2005, 22:31
We really need Chivu! Did anyone see the Roma - Reggina game? Man Chivu is outstanding, this guy IS AMAZING!!!!! we really would need him, a left-back playmaker, as we already have cafu. Our team would be almost all play-makers if he comes :).
hitmannq8
18-04-2005, 22:34
Kompany to inter? maybe but what are your sources?
how do you know how expensive he is?
do you think bonera and Chivu would come cheap or cheaper than Kompany?
get real...
kompany atm has the highest price tag from all of those 3.. and they say he is worth it.. Inter want him badly but he has publicly stated that he doesnt want to come to italy
kompany atm has the highest price tag from all of those 3.. and they say he is worth it.. Inter want him badly but he has publicly stated that he doesnt want to come to italy
I've heard about the 20 mil price tag here indeed but I don't belive it. besides what would chivu cost for instance I would like to know that for a change? 5 mil? than I wouldn't hesitate for a minute but I'm affraid that's just fishfull thinking...
you claim he said that he doesnt want to come to italy but can you name your source? I'm a fan of Kompany and try to follow him closely but I've never heard about that.
MilanManiac04
19-04-2005, 23:00
Speaking about our next future defender there has been news surrounding Rio Ferdinand maybe leaving man.utd,he also said that if he leaves united he will want to play abroad and not in the premiership.So i think if he does end up leaving united, Milan should step in and sign him,he is a very good defender.This is will be a great signing as he is still young and has some experince aswell.What do u guys think?
i dont think so.. he looked really poor against us in both legs
Stezagud
20-04-2005, 11:12
Speaking about our next future defender there has been news surrounding Rio Ferdinand maybe leaving man.utd,he also said that if he leaves united he will want to play abroad and not in the premiership.So i think if he does end up leaving united, Milan should step in and sign him,he is a very good defender.This is will be a great signing as he is still young and has some experince aswell.What do u guys think?
Rio wont be leaving Utd, he'll probably have signed the contract extension within a week. If he does move abroad i doubt it would be before he's 30 and its quite conceivable he wont go at all, Giggs used to always say he wanted to move abroad when his contract was up for renewal too ;)
i dont think so.. he looked really poor against us in both legs
Its not like he couldve done much about Carroll fumbling a shot or Giggs breaking his nose :rolleyes: :D
He's easily as good (and probably better) as any of the other possible replacements who've been mentioned in this thread :cool:
so ur blaming manure's exit on carroll idiocy and giggs broken nose?
Stezagud
20-04-2005, 16:16
well they certainly contributed more than Ferdinand :D
well they certainly contributed more than Ferdinand :D
That is a fact, but this is really a silly discussion. Ferdinand is not coming to Milan, whether he is a great player or not.
i dont think we need or want ferdinand in here! but 2 players are abowe all. chivu and bonera. we really need a new RB ( cafu cant do much longer ). bonera can do great things defensively but not so much in attack. on the other hand chivu is great player but seems to me too expencive and looks like he is going nowhere this season... he couls replace maldini maybe in 2007. i say. lets get bonera or even oddo! but prefer bonera
MilanManiac04
22-04-2005, 08:30
Forget about Chivu becasue it will be very hard for Milan to convince him because he will most probably follow capello if ends up leaving roma,but i think Bonera will be a bigger chance for milan in securing his signature but in my opinion i prefer chivu over bonera.The reason im saying this is because recently he was complaining about Roma's mangement and he was saying that capello's departure was the catylist of this roma downfall also capello was the one that brought Chivu to Roma,as i said before this is why i think bonera is a more realistic signing.
ac_milan_foreva
24-04-2005, 16:17
Its not a problem now but im worried that we might notice it when its too late. WE NEED TO BUY SOME FUTURE DEFENDERS THIS SUMMER. if we dont oh my what a mistake that would be. We cant wait for this problem and notice it when we start loosing, but we need to make sure it doesnt happen. lets hope it doesnt happen what happened with juve last season. we have to do something. im not saying replace our Legendary defence but just buy some prospects who will be our future.
We have already some threads based on possible transfers especially about defenders ;)
Admins: Merge 'em ;)
I agree we have some threads on this, I merged it with the most recent one I found :)
But it is priority and I am sure Galliani has a plan because eventhough every one of our defenders are playing like 25 yo now its dangerous to depend on that beyond the end of next season (or so) IMO
Brasileiro
05-05-2005, 12:10
Alex was linked to Milan when he was in Brazil...I hope that now, that he showed can be dominant in Europa also(he was in Brazil), Milan buy him before Chelsea...
Carlo also notice him, as you can read in this quote from VMK site:
"I thought that Jaap Stam looks scary, but as a attacker you don't want to come near Alex as well. Also in attack he's very strong with his head. Alex is very strong and also very calm in his play. That's really great for a player with his stature."
http://alexdacosta.web-log.nl/
alex is going to chelsea next year i believe when psv signed him, chelsea helped him but only if he joins them later on and no one else can do anything about it
albertini_forever
05-05-2005, 13:06
bonera didn't really impresse ...
but i saw alex in the last game vs milan in cl ... he made sheva like a child (sorry but it was true) ... he have confidence and leadership ...
Chivu ... a great player .and he have improved that he can play well in serie a (that's a really2 strong point about him) ... but he roma's player and he link with inter ...
:3band: Brake my heart ang you will see black and red :3band:
Brasileiro
05-05-2005, 13:35
alex is going to chelsea next year i believe when psv signed him, chelsea helped him but only if he joins them later on and no one else can do anything about it
I read this also, mk18...but I was reading PSv forums and some guys said that was the money of robben and Kezman that PSV use to buy Alex.
Gus H. also denied this Chelsea help, but who knows??
I really hope Alex don´t become a Chelsea player...
Brasileiro
05-05-2005, 13:49
bonera didn't really impresse ...
but i saw alex in the last game vs milan in cl ... he made sheva like a child (sorry but it was true) ... he have confidence and leadership ...
Chivu ... a great player .and he have improved that he can play well in serie a (that's a really2 strong point about him) ... but he roma's player and he link with inter ...
:3band: Brake my heart ang you will see black and red :3band:
I´m w/ you...
For me Bonera is a good defender, nothing more. Imo, what it happens to him is the same thing w/ our(brazilian) strikers. Some normal fowards are hyped just b/c they are brazilian(like Fabio Junior). Bonera is a good defender, but if he wasn´t Italian...
I like Chivu a lot!! I just heve one concern...I don´t know in Netherlands, but since he came to Italy, it´s very injure prone.
...and Alex, it´s not a shame for Sheva...Alex made this also with Henry, Bergkamp, Saviola, Crespo, Wiltord...
please, if sheva didnt play so many games in succession it would be alex who would look like the child to him ... please think before you comment, humans do get tired and its normal not to be at ur best when u are tired!
and besides wasnt it sheva who outran alex in the san siro to score our first goal? ... thank you!
Brasileiro
05-05-2005, 16:06
please, if sheva didnt play so many games in succession it would be alex who would look like the child to him ... please think before you comment, humans do get tired and its normal not to be at ur best when u are tired!
and besides wasnt it sheva who outran alex in the san siro to score our first goal? ... thank you!
Please you!!!!
What´s your problem???!?!?! No needs to be agressive...and THINK YOU before you comment!!! In San Siro Was Bouma who Sheva outran, not Alex...and what´s wrong in be outran by Sheva?!?! In that ball even Nesta will be outran.
One more thing Sheva don´t need your excuses, he´s the most fresh(thank God, we will need his legs) Milan player b/c his injure...
albertini_forever
06-05-2005, 04:32
the fact was sheva out of form that night ...
and alex was good ...
i'm milan biggest fan like you guys ...
bit c'mon don't be a blind man ... and i think ...
if we bought alex or other players they wouldn't good every matchs ... they're human too guys !!!
Brasileiro
06-05-2005, 09:45
the fact was sheva out of form that night ...
and alex was good ...
i'm milan biggest fan like you guys ...
bit c'mon don't be a blind man ... and i think ...
if we bought alex or other players they wouldn't good every matchs ... they're human too guys !!!
This is my point...our players can be outplayed, it´s normal. In other Milan x PSV Sheva can make Alex look like a child....like you said, they are human and this is football.
savicevic
06-05-2005, 11:26
carlo pellegatti, a very reliable milan source, has suggested that milan are very much interested in MOTTA of atalanta (not the one playing with barca). he is very young but has left a very good impression in this first season in Serie A. if atalanta get relegated, as is very likely, it will be easier to sign the player, perhaps leaving him to gain experience at the Bergamo side for another year.
milan have quite a good rapport with atalanta (as is evidenced by the transfers of comandini, albertini, sala, taibi, donati, zenoni, donadoni).
Please you!!!!
What´s your problem???!?!?! No needs to be agressive...and THINK YOU before you comment!!! In San Siro Was Bouma who Sheva outran, not Alex...and what´s wrong in be outran by Sheva?!?! In that ball even Nesta will be outran.
One more thing Sheva don´t need your excuses, he´s the most fresh(thank God, we will need his legs) Milan player b/c his injure...
whats my problem?? ... look who talking?? im not the one who has to mention alex in every post, the guy is good, ok theres no denial in that but u make him sound as if hes a prophet!!! ... and my last post wasnt really directed to u, it was to the guy before you ... its not that alex was really excellent that sheva looked like a baby, it was because sheva was really tired so he couldnt test alex... and im sure he wouldve killed him like he did with all the defending greats that faced him! your a brazilian and u love ur country and ur players, u have a right to do so, theyre amazing, but theres a limit, theyre not gods you know!
albertini_forever
06-05-2005, 20:17
relax man .... i started with my comment ... ok no doubt if sheva was tired ...
but not every player made sheva like a child when he was tired ok ... :)
for information i'm not brazilian ...
I'm Indonesian ...
peace man ...
FORZA MILAN ... FORZA MILAN ... FORZA MILAN ...
BOBOTOH MILAN TI GARUT
Brasileiro
06-05-2005, 22:40
whats my problem?? ... look who talking?? im not the one who has to mention alex in every post, the guy is good, ok theres no denial in that but u make him sound as if hes a prophet!!! ... and my last post wasnt really directed to u, it was to the guy before you ... its not that alex was really excellent that sheva looked like a baby, it was because sheva was really tired so he couldnt test alex... and im sure he wouldve killed him like he did with all the defending greats that faced him! your a brazilian and u love ur country and ur players, u have a right to do so, theyre amazing, but theres a limit, theyre not gods you know!
If i´m not wrong this is a thread about DEFENDERS, and I talk about the DEFNDER that I want in AC Milan...what´s wrong??? Tell me, You saw one post saying: Please Galianni, by Lúcio, Juan or Edmilson??? NO!!!
I dont make him like a profet(But PSV fans...), I just give him the praised to come to Europe, play a great CL(winning duels against TOP STRIKERS) and Eredivise at 22yrs old...
I love my country!! I love SOME players of my country, we have 5 WC!! But I challenge you?? Show me more than 3 threads(if not 1) about brazilians players tha I had created?? Some guys can hype Bonera, Mexes, Kompany, Ferrari, Chivu. You can say that Sissoko(sp?) is the next big thing, "and said you read here first..and I can´t hype Alex??? You´re the owner of Milanmania????
...and one more time...I said(and albertini_forever) Alex owned Sheva in that game,FACT! ...and in other game Sheva will own Alex, thats is football...
I ask whats your problem b/c you post sentences like "think before you post", and an educated person just put "I disagree"...It´s easy to be Gangsta in the NET :tired:
ur not worth the discussion, youve got everything so messed up that u dont understand a thing i said... im gonna stop this right here, say whatever you want about alex because frankly i couldnt care less whether he owned sheva or not! and when i sa think before you post i meant that u should be logical because what u say is totally illogical IN MY OPINION!!!
this discussion is over, please do not reply
Hey, please calm down guys. I do not want to see here any personalities. It is Milan forum and we should respect all memebers come here and read this stuff you are posting. If you really love to have a word fight - go to IRC or use PM's ;)
PS: I do not want to offend any of you.
:cheers:
Brasileiro
10-05-2005, 23:45
Hey, please calm down guys. I do not want to see here any personalities. It is Milan forum and we should respect all memebers come here and read this stuff you are posting. If you really love to have a word fight - go to IRC or use PM's ;)
PS: I do not want to offend any of you.
:cheers:
it´s ok, rae. You´re right, this word fight is pathetic, an waste of time...
albertini_forever
11-05-2005, 08:30
Good ... peace ... peace ...
Easy guys, keep it cool. Here's the webmaster of THE Alex site, mentioned by Brasileiro.
I've seen a lot of football in my life and a lot of defenders, but I really think and believe that Alex is going to be one of the best defenders ever! I hope PSV can keep him some years here at Eindhoven.
And the story about Chelsea: there were al lot of questions about this story in Holland too, but in recent weeks former-chairman Van Raaij explained the whole deal » PSV and Chelsea together bought Alex, he his owned by PSV. But Chelsea has earned now the first option to buy Alex when they want to. That's the deal, nothing more, nothing less.
albertini_forever
11-05-2005, 09:29
So it's no chance for milan to get alex :(
Chelsea get everything ... damn !!!
Brasileiro
11-05-2005, 10:15
Easy guys, keep it cool. Here's the webmaster of THE Alex site, mentioned by Brasileiro.
I've seen a lot of football in my life and a lot of defenders, but I really think and believe that Alex is going to be one of the best defenders ever! I hope PSV can keep him some years here at Eindhoven.
And the story about Chelsea: there were al lot of questions about this story in Holland too, but in recent weeks former-chairman Van Raaij explained the whole deal » PSV and Chelsea together bought Alex, he his owned by PSV. But Chelsea has earned now the first option to buy Alex when the want to. That's the deal, nothing more, nothing less.
Thanks for the information, VMK.
albertini_forever
11-05-2005, 10:57
so do we have another choice ???
chelsea already has alex first option !!!
Gio-mania
14-05-2005, 07:16
I heard from some places that milan want to youthen the defence......... milan are interested in Samuel Osei Kuffour: class-76, bayern münchen,
and a super signing for Samuel: class-78, real madrid.
IMO kuffour would come as an underdog, we wouldnt play him at all,
and Samuel could come as a first eleven player.........
in samuels case:
knowing another star is coming milan(gila) should do like so:
let berlusconi take care of one of them and let the club pay for the other.....
we have a thread already about it here http://www.milanmania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17821
;)
btw, I have read in calciomercato that Milan is interseted in seven defenders - Kuffour, Samuel, Cassetti, Jankulovski, Miguel [Benfica], Gamberini [Bologna] and Motta [Atalanta]. Can anyone gimme some info about those last two italians...?
The other thread about defenders that has just been started might aswell be merged with this one.
Getting Samuel would be fantastic, however i can only see that happening if we've either decided to let Real have Gilardino (think about it, why else would they sell their best defender to us (even if he hasn't played well) unless we gave them something they wanted more ? :googly: ) OR we are going to sell Stam.
We surely wouldn't get Samuel to be 4th choice centre back ... and i really can't stand the idea of having Maldini at left back and Stam at right back, that would be a terrible mistake.
I should imagine it's just the annual summer rumours again, although it's fun to read :D
arpanmilan
14-05-2005, 08:11
hell NO milan dont want Waltor Samuel.He's been a major contribution for the REAL BADRID slump & milan dont want to go through that slump.
giamberini was the one who hit sheva on his face which resulted in shevas absence for such a long time
this is all BS, we dont need any of them except for jankulovski. the rest are crap
samuel has never been good IMO, while people were praising i wondered why? he never looked special!
Gio-mania
14-05-2005, 09:55
there are many young defenders on sale............
i think chivu or samuel is the best choice; alex is also a good option(although its virtually impossible).
while im not 100% sure about kompany......... i havent heard much of him this season- but we'll see........ anderlecht will be meeting Clubb Brügge: one of the best teams of belgium. lets see how he plays.
so either samuel or chivu................ not sure which one
Samuel would be a good signing depending on price. Real Madrid are pretty unrealistic in their valuations of their own players though and probably see him worth about 14m, which he's not. Realistically he is worth at most 10m, I think he's be a good deal for milan at 8m.
Seen Samuel have far too many bad games to want him at Milan. Besides, we have enough central defenders. Its no good younger ones coming to milan if they arent going to play anyway.
In a year or 2, if Chivu can stay injury free he would be ideal.
Maradona (10)
14-05-2005, 15:50
Chivu would also look bad playing for this Real Madrid.
zlatanov
14-05-2005, 16:21
Chivu would also look bad playing for this Real Madrid.
agree, the awful period Samuel had, and it is still not over, shouldn't be used against him - we all know what he can do in defence. I wouldn't be surprised to see them both come to Milan within the next 2 years for by then we would have lost both Maldini and Stam and there isn't hell of a choice of great defenders out there.
Jankulovski couldn't be seriously considered a defender for he is very much like Serginho - great forward but exactly a wall at the back. In certain games vs weaker teams he could be used at left back but that's about it - he just isn't made to be a defender and would be a waste of tallent to play him there.
zlatanov
14-05-2005, 16:36
giamberini was the one who hit sheva on his face which resulted in shevas absence for such a long time
this is all BS, we dont need any of them except for jankulovski. the rest are crap
Not exactly informative. Actually the rest are some of the best choices around for a defender.
First of all, the player who hit Sheva played not for Bologna but Cagliari and his name was Loria, I think, and definitely not Gamberini who playes for Bologna.
Gamberini is having a wonderful season and is still 23 and is considered one for the near future of the Italian national Team. He does have the potential to be shaped into a truely solid, maybe even great, central defender. Whether it will happen or not, I can't say but the potential is there.
Motta, is about 18-19 years of age and plays for the U21 national team as a right back and has some very very good crossing abilities. He is pretty quick too. He also has a lot of potential but is a bit too young to speak of anything more right now. He is yet to win a regular place with Atalanta but he does have the potential to become a Milan quality player. Again, whether it will happen is speculative, at least at this point.
Chivu would also look bad playing for this Real Madrid.
Im also referring to a few of his roma performances. I remember Owen turning him inside out. Hes too dirty for my liking
Not exactly informative. Actually the rest are some of the best choices around for a defender.
First of all, the player who hit Sheva played not for Bologna but Cagliari and his name was Loria, I think, and definitely not Gamberini who playes for Bologna.
Gamberini is having a wonderful season and is still 23 and is considered one for the near future of the Italian national Team. He does have the potential to be shaped into a truely solid, maybe even great, central defender. Whether it will happen or not, I can't say but the potential is there.
Motta, is about 18-19 years of age and plays for the U21 national team as a right back and has some very very good crossing abilities. He is pretty quick too. He also has a lot of potential but is a bit too young to speak of anything more right now. He is yet to win a regular place with Atalanta but he does have the potential to become a Milan quality player. Again, whether it will happen is speculative, at least at this point.
ur right... but i remember giamberini causing an injury to sheva... and i think it was when he went in hard with his foot hanging out which ended up hitting shevas knee which resulted in his absence for some time... plus it deserved a penalty
sehnsucht79
14-05-2005, 19:27
I actually happen to like Samuel a lot though he is prone to some ludicrous tackles on his behalf ... other than that he is quite able
I've always liked Kuffour too, think hes very reliable. Sadly his daughter died a few years ago
I have also been impressed by Jorge Andrade, but i don't see him coming to Milan, we should'nt have let Coloccini leave. :cry:
Maradona (10)
14-05-2005, 21:14
Samuel while in Roma was regarded as one of the best in the biz, and I still believe he is one of the top Central Backs in the world. I think he would be a very nice addition to Milan.
sehnsucht79
15-05-2005, 00:33
He would; latest news on Samuel is that Juventus might sell Emerson to RM and get Samuel as part of the deal
Load of bollocks though
albertini_forever
15-05-2005, 04:33
chivu ... younger and can play as DL too, and he can take free kick as good as ???
ACMILAN1983
15-05-2005, 06:29
I can't see Emerson leaving Juve tbh, though it has been rumoured before. I'd be glad to see him leave, as he has been a key figure for Juve this year :D
As for Kuffour, he used to be very good the last time we were linked to him and he doesn't seem to have gotten any worse. However, at this point in time it seems unlikely he'll come.
As for Samuel, it would be a very good transfer imo. He is outstanding and I don't really consider judging his time at Real to be fair tbh, as he has had many troubles there. However, where in the starting lineup he could fit in atm is hard to figure out.
I think our defence looks so much worse when we try to play Nesta, Maldini and Stam. No one seems to know what to do. If we are to get another centre-back, i would be tempted to sell Stam and just rotate between Samuel/Nesta and Maldini for the two cb slots.
Somewhere along the line Maldini will start playing less games. I would rather he played less games and be great than play many games in a season and look vulnerable. We have to accept he can't play forever and that a new cb has to be phased in with Nesta sometime.
ACMILAN1983
15-05-2005, 13:01
Either Left centre back or Left back I guess
Chivu at left-back is a baaaaaaaaaaaad idea as is any idea of playing centre-backs in full-back positions.
Gio-mania
15-05-2005, 13:17
whats chivu's price?
I think our defence looks so much worse when we try to play Nesta, Maldini and Stam. No one seems to know what to do.
Vs United and inter in the CL Nesta, Stam and Maldini played and they where perfect. The problem in our defence is that sometimes especially vs weak opponents on paper they lack concentration.
the problem is not price, i am afraid.
the problem is that there are very few defenders up to Milan's calibre. I prefer Italian players, I am not obsessed in nationality like "an all-italian Milan", the reason is that communication, cooperation and coordination is so vital in organizing the defense.
As for whom to pick, how much to pay, I trust in Galliani and Braida and Berlusconi's checkbook. :D
i think recently they had little matches together and when they did 2 of them were exhausted... during mid season they looked excellent together... let stam settle in and our defence next year will be the one everyone fears ... besides we up until our last CL match we didnt concede a goal since barca
he got injured today vs lazio... the guy is good similar to maldini but is very injury prone
albertini_forever
16-05-2005, 02:29
dl = defender left ...
nicostallion
16-05-2005, 05:31
either way we need some young blood in our defense. Our defenders are great, but they cant go forever age is catching up with them. I hope we make some quality signings in our defense. Players like maldini and costacurta can teach our new defenders as they are both milan greats.
Grande-Milan-DK
16-05-2005, 05:54
either way we need some young blood in our defense. Our defenders are great, but they cant go forever age is catching up with them. I hope we make some quality signings in our defense. Players like maldini and costacurta can teach our new defenders as they are both milan greats.
That`s exactly what Milan don´t need = young defenders!
If you have to play for all titles you need some experinced defenders and not do it as Roma who have bought so many young defenders. We could need players like Samuel, Cannavaro, Oddo etc.
To buy Ferrari, Bonera and Mexes should only be as backup in Coppa Italia or the "easier" games.
If we just could get Oddo as backup for Cafu and than a experienced central defender we will be very good covered
They have just been tired. The first leg against barca-Remember Stam. Well in the secon leg he was missing and Nesta made some huge mistakes. the defence recently has been tired and more importantly the midfield has been tired and off form. Gatusso and Seedorf who are supposed to protect our defence have been unable to make a simple pass recently never mind anything else. The best form of defence is attack or at least possesion. If our midfielders kind find some form again the defence will be back to normal.
Stam has been just as good as Nesta or Maldini this year and probably even better. Hes a million times better than Samuel, faster, stronger, better technique. lets not forget, we always talk about how a defender suffers playing for a certain team or with a certain partner. Stam won the CL with who as a cb partner. Was it David May or someone :sagrin: Stam is capable on his day of being a one man defence as against Barca and even Inter. lets hope he can play that well against liverpool.
id rather wait 1-2 years and maybe one of the current defenders shine by then and get the experience he needs to join us... right now i cannot think of anyone other than ayala, puyol, thuram and canna that would be good buys but all are unlikely and besides i dont think u can find room for any of them with stam, nesta, and maldini playing
i think with the team having that rest.. and with gattuso playin the game of his life (like he did in old trafford) liverpool would have no chance vs our defence
ACMILAN1983
16-05-2005, 16:42
I think Grande-Milan-DK hit the nail on the head by saying Milan don't need young defenders, but experience and proven quality.
Didn't see anybody posting this anywhere but its interesting even if its just seems like a list of what others have mentioned here (from soccerway)
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Milan's defense revamp plan revealed
Written by Tang Chi-Fai
AC Milan (SW)
MILAN, May 18 (SW) - Samuel, Jankulovski, Cassetti, Miguel, Kuffour, Gamberini and Marco Motta are all on AC Milan's long term list to revamp their defense in the next few seasons.
Nesta (29), Stam (33), Pancaro (34), Cafu (35), Maldini (36), and Costacurta (39) ageing rapidly, Milan face dramatic changes as far as their defense is concerned. It is understood that they already have a shopping list in order to revamp the defense line, starting with Czech star Marek Jankulovski (28), from Udinese.
The player, who fractured his left ankle, has personally admitted he will play as left back at Milan next season. At right back, with Dario Simic potentially off to Everton, the Rossoneri have identified 2 possible sucessors: Marco Cassetti, almost 28, from Lecce and Portuguese international Luis Miguel Brito Garcia Monteiro, aka Miguel, from Benfica (25), who shone during Portugal's journey to semi-final in EURO 2004.
Milan's Sporting Director Ariedo Braida has allegedly flown to Portugal several times this season to scout him.
19-year-old Marco Motta of Atlanta is yet another name on the list. The Azzurrini, whose playing style is compared to Gianluca Zambrotta's, could be comfortably slotted in left back or right back position. It is however claimed that rivals Internazionale would see him as the successor of local hero Javier Zanetti.
For center back positions, Real Madrid player Walter Adrian Samuel has topped Milan's wanted list. But the Rossoneri are likley not to rush in this summer, the Nesta-Maldini-Stam partnership likely to remain strong enough next term.
However, Milan will be happy to bring in a player to replace Alessandro Costacurta, as the 4th center back. Samuel Kuffour, who will leave Bayern Munich on a 'Bosman' in the summer, has emerged as the perfect choice, with Inter Milan once again in competition for his services.
The last name mentioned is Alessandro Gamberini. The 23-year-old Bologna player, who plays in a left back position, has improved a lot this season.
from that list i only want oddo... the rest i think are crap
where did u get that source from reza?
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