View Full Version : Beckham to Milan
oskarius
16-03-2005, 13:24
Please, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO... :fero: :frustrat: :scream: :wth: :dumpf: :notlist:
I just read he could join us..roumors or not, I don't like it.. :groan:
hitmannq8
16-03-2005, 13:44
me too.. i just read it and i came straight away here to post a topic
i hope we dont get beckham.. I REALLY REALLY HOPE WE DONT GET HIM! we dont need him, if he comes he will take someone's spot, and honestly, i dont want to see anyone's spot taken.. we have a magnificent team, with a great-aged midfield.. we dont need beckham.. hell i think ambrosini is much more useful than he is.. his style doesnt suit us.. if he wants to come, he can be Ambrosini's sub, and ambrosini is actually a sub.. i would really feel disgusted if beckham came to milan..
i really love milan , and i really hate english players,league,clubs,everything!.. i really hope its just speculation..
what ya'all think?
i hate all english players n clubs too!! but this is just a rumour n will never happen so dont worry
Beckham in Milan :grinser: :dielaugh: :dontkn:
I don't think so.
Angel_Cic
16-03-2005, 15:55
ugh i hope this is just a really bad rumour. we have an awesome team, we don't need him.
http://www.goal.com/NewsDetail.aspx?idNews=51960&progr=9
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/mar16g.html
I don't think we need him, but as it points towards a season long loan deal, we won't be committing to anything long term. It would give us a chance to see if he could fit in and if he couldn't, then we would say thanks, but no thanks.
why do the media insist he comes to milan?
Madrid always do this, they've decided they want Ambro so by dangling one of their 'big names' in front of us they can get what they want. That said, it's not that bad a transfer by the sounds of thing, he'd be on loan or a straught swap, and if Ambro really is intent on leaving we could do a lot worse.
NO BECKHAM PLEASE. WE WANT FOOTBALLERS NOT HOLLYWOOD STARS.
BTW he has no place in the first team for us.
he is a good player not a great one but if its a loan deal and he is happy to be seedorfs sub i would say take him
Beckham coming to milan would mean
1) a bunch of tweens and teenage girls suddenly becoming Milan supporters, buying milan jerseys and making milan a lot of money :D
2) a bunch of BECKHAM fans becoming milan fans all of a sudden (like what happened when baggio joined milan - but baggio is planets away from beckham in class and talent).
3) players like rui costa on the bench for beckham. blasphemy!
4) loss of a player like ambrosini. :(
Just read the rumour on football italia's website and had to say something. I have never seen a more over rated player than Beckham in my life. I hope to God he wont end up at Milan. He couldnt take Seedorf's postion either because he completely right footed. Theres no way he could take Pirlo's spot, he doesnt have the class and Gatusso is vital to compensate for having so many playmakers. I dont see where he would fit in :p1510: Its dangerous for us to take him for free, he is a player with enormous self belief and good freekicks. These could force him to be picked at the detriment of Milan destroying its system.
Didnt Galliani say a couple of years ago that it is not in the blood of Milan to buy English players. :drool:
BaggioForever
16-03-2005, 20:54
If it is on loan, we could try him out. But Beckham being English...urrgh..even if he is coming for free, we shouldnt even take a look at him man~! :D
Its not just that hes English :de3: hes also stupid. The guys been in Spain for two years now and still can barely speak Spanish. Owen and Woodgate after just one season are accroding to Salgado pretty good after just one year. :mute:
Cant we buy him and swap him with Inter :de3:
**Edit Thinking about it he cant actually speak english either :grinser:
Becks to Milan? NO!!!
and at the cost of Max? are you out of your mind??!! :fero:
hitmannq8
16-03-2005, 23:42
The only advantage of him joining Milan is that we will get to see his wife more often :D
Sheva7_Evo
16-03-2005, 23:53
rumour seems absurd..but still, beckham is not that bad, sigh
yes he is way overrated, but he's still got class
good team player, hard worker, precise crosses.
judge him on the football field please.
the only problem is fitting him on the field, but, he could sit back with pirlo and gatusso with seedorf and kaka supporting sheva.
yeah, then where are you going to put Gilardino or Crespo? :(:D
Rino has to get a approprite sub for himself cuz Ambro do not show class very often. So I do not mind if Becks come to San Siro, though I would be pleased if he get back home...
...to Old Trafford
To see United
Take me home
United Road
:de3:
First of all, this is a trash rumour. Not that Beckham might end up at Milan, but because the news contains no facts, relevant quotes or insider information. Whoever wrote the article is not even attempting to make it sound like there are real negotiations between the clubs.
Sencondly, if you get Beckham he will have to be a starter, not because he deservs it but because he is too expensive to put on the bench and his value is really only visable on TV close-ups. That would mean benching Gattuso or moving Gattuso left and benching Seedorf. Yea, right like that will happen:rolleyes:
I like Kash's idea of getting Beckham and trading him to Inter, for say...Adriano :)
heidi azalea
17-03-2005, 07:40
I like Kash's idea of getting Beckham and trading him to Inter, for say...Adriano :)
Hell NOOOOOOOOOOOOO to Beckham !!!!!!!
Henrik, your line were damn hillarious... I'm loving it ! Love to see Beckham in Perdenti's shirt. :sagrin:
SPURSMILAN
17-03-2005, 09:06
i really love milan , and i really hate english players,league,clubs,everything!.. i really hope its just speculation..
what ya'all think?
As I am from England and also support an English club, as well as Milan, I find hitmannq8 comments very insulting. It's one thing to say you think english players are overrated, but your statement is way over the top. It's as though you are xenophobic or anti-english and I do not like the sentiment. Remember that Milan have fielded english players like Mark Hateley and Ray Wilkins in the past, Joe Jordan from Scotland and Luther Blissett, okay I would agree that was a mistake, but that was only because Milan thought he was John Barnes!
I never understood why they didn't use Blissett as part exchange for Barnes when they found out they had bought the wrong player.
Beckham won't be a bad signing on loan, but I agree that we don't need that type of player
yea thats a good idea, i am sure inter wud want him. if beckham comes and he performs good, then we mite sell rui, use seedorf as kaka's sub, and use beckham on left wing. but i doubt he wud perfrom well , o well at least we wud make money selling his shirt.
Warro Bantan
17-03-2005, 11:09
Dont need him, but I agree with trading him to Inter for Adriano though...but as foolish as the Inter merde are, they arent that stupid....or are they?
Is this a small part of a beautiful plan by Galliani et al to make a wonder trade with our dear Inter "cousins"? I see the headlines already..Inter swop Adriano for Becks!... :wow: then I realise that I was daydreaming, and drooling on my neatly pressed work shirt...:drool:
oskarius
17-03-2005, 11:27
As I am from England and also support an English club, as well as Milan, I find hitmannq8 comments very insulting. It's one thing to say you think english players are overrated, but your statement is way over the top. It's as though you are xenophobic or anti-english and I do not like the sentiment. Remember that Milan have fielded english players like Mark Hateley and Ray Wilkins in the past, Joe Jordan from Scotland and Luther Blissett, okay I would agree that was a mistake, but that was only because Milan thought he was John Barnes!
Agreed.. :stuckup:
No English,they always failed in Milan.He is a star more than a football player.Many people will becime "Milan Fan" when he comes.I really don't like them because they're fake which don't really love soccer.
Also,What can he do or contribute to Milan??Long passing from right side?Gattuso has taken the right midfied position.and this job will be done by Cafu or next RB.Free kick?We would like to see Pirlo,Seedorf,Sheva or Rui to score free-kick more than Beckham.Become a sub of Pirlo or other players?No,he doesn't have skill enough to do it.and Ambro,Brocchi,Dhorasoo,Serginho or Rui are waiting for the chance to play.and we wouldn't pay him high wage because he would be no use for the team.
So i really don't want Beckham to become Rossoneri!
No Beckham please! In my opinion, he's one of the most overrated players. He makes two or three free kicksp er season and that's all. Milan doesn't need this hollywood player with his wife!
Stezagud
17-03-2005, 12:28
He has been one of Reals better players this year in my opinion but Milan dont need him and Real are unlikely to sell him as he is still a great marketing tool.
As I am from England and also support an English club, as well as Milan, I find hitmannq8 comments very insulting. It's one thing to say you think english players are overrated, but your statement is way over the top. It's as though you are xenophobic or anti-english and I do not like the sentiment.
yeah, theres no need to go so over the top over a rediculous rumour :hammer:
No English,they always failed in Milan.
Jimmy Greaves scored 9 goals in 10 games but left because he couldnt handle the pre game sex ban :D
Maybe some disagree but I think if he ever comes it might easily turn out like the Rivaldo situation (No I am not comparing their playing ability ;) :D ) what I mean is Ancelotti won't be really keen on using him and it would be a management signing
Snapster
17-03-2005, 13:55
The only advantage of him joining Milan is that we will get to see his wife more often :D
I wouldn't want to see him or his stick figure of a wife in Milan. :gun:
If football was more like American football where you can sub a player on for a kick, then yeah, Beckham would be good to use as a 'free kick' taker. However, it's not like that and we don't need him. Besides, there are far better players out there that we should concentrate on. :dcool:
ACMILAN1983
17-03-2005, 14:02
Beckham at Milan?
I seriously hope not.
Jankulovski is our new midfielder, simple as IMO
Well said SPURSMILAN :pp20:
SPURSMILAN
18-03-2005, 04:36
we don't need comments like those from hitmannq8. It's like the racist abuse against black players in Italy, there is no basis for it, particularly as they are generally amongst some of the best players.
I'd wish we get serious on this debate and not critisize a player because of his persona. It would seem that is the sentiment running here with some of us fans. Why no one has yet to simply say "he doesnt fit into Ancelotti's plans" is beyond me. Here are some questions and facts we need to consider.
When was the last time we had an effective winger on the right side field of play???
The last time I remember was maybe Donadoni nearly 10 years ago. Up til now it has been dismall. With the exception of Cafu we can't get a decent a$$ cross from the right side from anyone playing in that area. Rhino is a good ball winner and plays with a lot of heart, but he can neither shoot or pass with much effectiveness. Yet he still is an essential player. So we basically have only one man to cross or run up the right flank with serious effect .... CAFU, who let's call a "wingback".
In Becks defense to be fair, he was effective playing that right midfielder role when at Man United, and he is a pretty good person to take a free kick. This is a role that he has not been put in during his spell at Madrid. Probably one of many reasons why he has not been playing at his top, is that he is playing out of place. From the many games he's played with Madrid, he currently is playing the same role as Pirlo as an anchor/playmaker in our half of the midfield. No worry for Pirlo!
With talk of Gattuso from his own mouth desiring to play in England, why not have at least the consideration to at least think of Beck's coming to Milan?
Listen guys I remember myself having such stupid sentiments when a so called striker named Fillipo Inzaghi was tapped to play for our team. I'm glad that anyone that has anything to do with signing players didnt take sentiments like mine seriously and I'm proud to admit that I was wrong with my misjudgment of such a player like Inzaghi coming to Milan. So lets all be a little fair and more constructive in this topic of Beck's coming to Milan.
Even though this is all rumours and heresay, I think we should at least be mature, decent, and a little bit more classy about this issue.
I dont doubt that we here have that kind of serious character. It be good to show that once in a while though!
FORZA MILAN!
Okay, you have said it yourself, Beckham doesnt fit into our current template.
Who would you sacrifice if we bought Beckham?
Gattuso? No, we would be losing our main ballwinner.
Pirlo? No, we would be losing on long range shots. Although some would argue Pirlo and Beckham pass the ball superbly, Pirlo is a better dribbler and defender.
Seedorf? Then it would be the same as per before. Now we would have only one person to cross from the left. Kaladze/Jankulovski.
Cafu? Maldini? Nesta? Stam? Kaladze? Nah. You are being crazy.
What about Crespo/Inzaghi/Tomasson? Let Sheva play alone to accommadate Beckham. No, this wont work either. Sheva can play alone, thats a fact. Problem is, having two upfront is always the most effective. Having Sheva upfront TOGETHER with another striker compliments his partner. Defenders have to mark both of them. Which is a tough task. Having Beckham in place of a striker would be no use since his function would then be exactly as to Pirlo's function, to give long balls and take the set pieces.
In conclusion, Beckham would not be a good signing. But honestly, I'd like him to join Serie A as I think his marketing and commercial value would be such a good asset for Serie A.
Ciao!
sehnsucht79
18-03-2005, 06:57
yada-yada-yada.
Lol. the only good thing bout becks joining milan is that he'll give milan more 'depth' in the team.
becks to start in milan? no.
becks to star in milan? no.
(that one was from another milan fan btw)
I hardly think Milan would even CONSIDER taking Becks
yada-yada-yada.
Lol. the only good thing bout becks joining milan is that he'll give milan more 'depth' in the team.
becks to start in milan? no.
becks to star in milan? no.
(that one was from another milan fan btw)
I hardly think Milan would even CONSIDER taking Becks
I see you have a mature way of looking at this. I hope you werent trying to patronize me. Then I have some serious issue with you. Say it isnt so!
']Okay, you have said it yourself, Beckham doesnt fit into our current template.
Who would you sacrifice if we bought Beckham?
Gattuso? No, we would be losing our main ballwinner.
Pirlo? No, we would be losing on long range shots. Although some would argue Pirlo and Beckham pass the ball superbly, Pirlo is a better dribbler and defender.
Seedorf? Then it would be the same as per before. Now we would have only one person to cross from the left. Kaladze/Jankulovski.
Cafu? Maldini? Nesta? Stam? Kaladze? Nah. You are being crazy.
What about Crespo/Inzaghi/Tomasson? Let Sheva play alone to accommadate Beckham. No, this wont work either. Sheva can play alone, thats a fact. Problem is, having two upfront is always the most effective. Having Sheva upfront TOGETHER with another striker compliments his partner. Defenders have to mark both of them. Which is a tough task. Having Beckham in place of a striker would be no use since his function would then be exactly as to Pirlo's function, to give long balls and take the set pieces.
In conclusion, Beckham would not be a good signing. But honestly, I'd like him to join Serie A as I think his marketing and commercial value would be such a good asset for Serie A.
Ciao!
Kudos to you by bringing in some thoughtful points to consider in this matter. That is all I was asking from the those posting here. Many of the others were more focused on his wife coming here and stuff.
At least you didnt demean the guy.
yada-yada-yada.
Lol. the only good thing bout becks joining milan is that he'll give milan more 'depth' in the team.
becks to start in milan? no.
becks to star in milan? no.
(that one was from another milan fan btw)
I hardly think Milan would even CONSIDER taking Becks
Milan did consider taking him before he joined Real.
Galliani was saying something about him being contracted to Vodafone whereas Milan endorse Siemens.
Real have Siemens on their shirts!
:p146:
So this is just a dead issue. I hope it is. It's stupid rumours like this that gets us in such a bad mood.
sehnsucht79
18-03-2005, 07:40
Sorry Kui, I was merely joking. I think Becks is a decent footballer but realistically I highly doubt he'd get a starting place in Milan - and with all the popularity surrounding him it'd be unlikely hes the kind of player that likes to be benched. Seeing what a decent player he is, he will be beneficial to Milan as he will give them more depth but other than that... I really dont see him making it in Milan. In no way am I patronizing you or trying to criticize Becks, but as I see it hes not Milan's type.
No probs darling. That is a good point. With the wages demanded by players today, Beck's stock value can deppreciate really quick and we get fVcked with the bill. How old is he anyway???? He is around that point of his career where it becomes a dangerous gamble for any team to want to invest in someone like that. Like in the case of Luis Figo. There have been no dividends payed back to Madrid in silverware since thay signed him at such a price and maintain his wages. Bad investment.
sehnsucht79
18-03-2005, 07:56
True. But just imagine though if he DOES go to Milan - you'd see everyone (so called 'fans' ) starting to wear the rossoneri jerseys. whats a scary sight :D
The thing with Beckham is that he only really works when playing in a 4-4-2 formation which doesn't fit our style of play.
If we want Sheva and another striker (Gilardino/Hernan/Pippo) playing up front and then Kaka playing behind them, we need a compact 3 in midfield who can hold onto the ball. Beckham has been tried as part of a midfield 3 for England and it just doesn't work. His passing is excellent and he works hard, but he doesn't read the game like Gattuso or Pirlo, understanding where other players are around him on the pitch. Also, he doesn't have the speed or the ability to beat a player that Seedorf has.
For me, if we bought him we would have to play a flat 4 across midfield, which would reduce Kaka's creative freedom and totally change our style of play.
Also, would the link with Milan have anything to do with his wifes love of fashion and shopping. I remember when they first went to Madrid, reading an article about how she was upset with the lack of shopping opportunities. I hope she won't be putting pressure on him to try and get a move to Milan.
Yeah. Those "band wagoners" or "groupies" do annoy me a bit.
Let's say if he does. Then what??? Will it hurt us? Maybe the rotation of players have to be more frequent. For me I sure as hell wouldn't want to play in all the games. Maybe the players ought to share play time a bit more. I dont know??? I'm just thinking stupid thoughts now. Digressing a bit.
maybe we can let Beckham take care of our now annual 4-0/4-1 Coppa losses
:cool:
Yeah that one really sucked. Not that many posts of that game here. I know it was our least priority but it would have been nice to get that one too. Maybe it was ok to let this one get away as now we have some serious games to play in the coming weeks.
Samaldinho
18-03-2005, 08:49
I haven't posted in Milan Mania in a very long time, but I read, never had the urge to really add to anything.. But, I decided to chime in.
I think people are being overly unfair to David Beckham. They hate the fact that he's good looking, that he knows his value, why not make money from it? He's been a fantastic player, all most won The World Player of The Year Award, and at Madrid, when being played as a right sided midfielder, he has had a myriad of assists, great link up play, and his passing could quite possibily be the best in the world. He switches the field perfectly, releases all the right players at the right time, and his free kicks are the best, and he would score a lot more if that so called left back, Roberto Carlos eased off from just smashing the ball and pretending like he intended to score.
Beckham would bring in a lot of money, he would bring in a new fan base, but to be quite honest all this talk about "true Milan fans" is quite funny I think. Milan is a giant team, and we will always have glory hunters, we will always have fans that follow Milan for their fame. We honestly do not have the passion that fans in Rome do. I respect Roma fans, passionate and very true to their club, and Milan, like Juve, or Inter, or any large club in the world for that matter, have fans that aren't "true" fans. So please remove that sort of argument, because a fan base like Milan, I don't believe in my opinion, can honestly complain about fan bases because we do not have the reputation of a inherently loyal fan base. We are no where near the "fan corruption" of say Inter, Juve, Man Utd, Chelsea or the like, but still are within touch of those.
But, back to Beckham. We have been lucky over the last few seasons, with no huge injury crisis, and we see what has happened with us and Sheva being injured and the scramble as a result.. Seedorf is a great player, but has inconsistent days, Gattusso is our heart and future captain, Dhorsoo has proven himself, Ambrosini is barely used, and while we have a theme that "you should accept the bench to be at Milan" that's great for us as fans, but for Ambro, as a human being, as a professional, as an aspiring Azzuri who has been with us for many years and been very patient, he deserves to start at a big club. Do I want to see him go? Of course not, but be realistic, nothing is worse then practicing hard to sit on the bench.
Becks would give us a new dimension, and we have left it late on numerous occassions because we have relied on crossing to unlock those packed defense from our wing backs, and while Gattusso has the heart, he does not have the skills, and Seedorf has his off days. Beckham works hard, much harder then most, and no one gives him credit for that, he is tireless, he is no Rino, but who is? He has an excellent work rate, and that is something I credit to the English game, espiecially after I joined an English squad last summer. Italian players are notorious for only showing up for big games, and our Deportivo debacle is a testament to that. Becks works so hard, and his passing is not limited only to the final ball in the final third of the pitch, but that link up play, that pass that causes uncomfortable shifts in the back lines, and he tracks back always.
We are ruling out Becks on the concept that we will be playing with the same starting eleven every game. And that is not the case, we have ben very lucky through injuries, and being able to brace ourselves when we have been without a player, but we are slowly becoming a predictable team, we need options, and that's why players like Jankulovski are coming, we need more dimensions and Galliani is recognizing this. Why do you think we brought in Crespo? We needed a header, and we have that now, but we do not have the ability to rain in crosses that teams like Juve, Madrid, Man Utd, Inter and others do. That is how you break open those packed in defenses, through crossing something we sorley lack, on either flank of the pitch.
I'm tired of listening to people bash Becks for his good looks, for his endorsements, for his supposed devaluation because of these factors. He is a good player, but a source of envy, and has shown his class for England many times, he's the Captain and deserves to be, he's shown his abilities on many Champions League nights, and is under more pressure every minute of his life then this entire forum combined. He is a player many look up to, and should too, he works hard, and has worked hard on his skills and has compensated for any lack thereof with a great work rate, a great spirit, and people forget that. He's had to deal with a dubious sending off, and the wrath of a nation only to return as Captain, he has shown class with all the situations and sagas, and to reduce him to some idiot who knows nothing about nothing, little footballing abilities [how did he get so famous in the first place?]
While I rate Serie A as the best league in the world, many attribute Becks rise to the lack of skill and quality in the prem. Well we have a prem reject in Crespo, a British style midfielder in Gattusso, and don't forget Juve's fantastic fall at Chelsea. He's scored half field goals, great free kicks, awesome crosses, great passes, magical runs, and has taken the stick given from Madrid fans and become one of their best players. Many players collapse with a fraction of the attention he recieves.
Do I want Beckham in Milan? I am mixed, sort of leaning to yes. But as a player, I have a lot of respect for him, because he deserves it, and the critisms of him I think, are completely undeserved. So in short, leave the non-football related pot shots out of this, because he obviously has shown he can deal with it. Thank you.
sehnsucht79
18-03-2005, 09:24
I haven't posted in Milan Mania in a very long time, but I read, never had the urge to really add to anything.. But, I decided to chime in.
I think people are being overly unfair to David Beckham. They hate the fact that he's good looking, that he knows his value, why not make money from it? He's been a fantastic player, all most won The World Player of The Year Award, and at Madrid, when being played as a right sided midfielder, he has had a myriad of assists, great link up play, and his passing could quite possibily be the best in the world. He switches the field perfectly, releases all the right players at the right time, and his free kicks are the best, and he would score a lot more if that so called left back, Roberto Carlos eased off from just smashing the ball and pretending like he intended to score.
I feel you are exaggerating. Beckham is a GOOD right midfielder but definitely not one whom I would consider a deserving World Player of the Year. Despite his killer free kicks and accurate crosses, Beckham does not offer more than that. I also find - I dont mean this in any offensive way - his captainship is a bit... lax. Becks is a good, decent player but he doesnt carry the team behind his back like other players do and does not contribute greatly to a team like his fellow World Player of the Year nominees do. He's useful, but teams can do without him.
Beckham would bring in a lot of money, he would bring in a new fan base, but to be quite honest all this talk about "true Milan fans" is quite funny I think. Milan is a giant team, and we will always have glory hunters, we will always have fans that follow Milan for their fame. We honestly do not have the passion that fans in Rome do. I respect Roma fans, passionate and very true to their club, and Milan, like Juve, or Inter, or any large club in the world for that matter, have fans that aren't "true" fans. So please remove that sort of argument, because a fan base like Milan, I don't believe in my opinion, can honestly complain about fan bases because we do not have the reputation of a inherently loyal fan base. We are no where near the "fan corruption" of say Inter, Juve, Man Utd, Chelsea or the like, but still are within touch of those.
But by having Beckham, you are inviting MORE of those fans and hence could sink as low as gloryhunters of RM and MU. Italian teams, esp. those of the two milan clubs and Juventus have their achievements and obviously will have their fair share of glory hunters but they have always, always been able to stick to their roots and keep in contact with the true ones as gloryhunters are just the MINORITY. Unlike Real Madrid and MU, gloryhunters can come up to MORE than half of their fan base - for example when Becks moved to RM the sale of their jerseys skyrocketed. Of course its good business for Madrid and the fact that Becks is a decent player helps but be as it may that business is business, I've always considered the Italian teams have more passion for football than money in it - I'd prefer it if they keep it that way. I like how the fans of Milan and Juve are now (though they probably loathe each other) - loyal, passionate and respectable. You mention Roman fans who are also loyal and passionate yet they do not have the decency to respect and cannot contain their emotions. Consider these two things and you will find Milan have the best fans - they're balanced and true.
But, back to Beckham. We have been lucky over the last few seasons, with no huge injury crisis, and we see what has happened with us and Sheva being injured and the scramble as a result.. Seedorf is a great player, but has inconsistent days, Gattusso is our heart and future captain, Dhorsoo has proven himself, Ambrosini is barely used, and while we have a theme that "you should accept the bench to be at Milan" that's great for us as fans, but for Ambro, as a human being, as a professional, as an aspiring Azzuri who has been with us for many years and been very patient, he deserves to start at a big club. Do I want to see him go? Of course not, but be realistic, nothing is worse then practicing hard to sit on the bench.
Becks would give us a new dimension, and we have left it late on numerous occassions because we have relied on crossing to unlock those packed defense from our wing backs, and while Gattusso has the heart, he does not have the skills, and Seedorf has his off days. Beckham works hard, much harder then most, and no one gives him credit for that, he is tireless, he is no Rino, but who is? He has an excellent work rate, and that is something I credit to the English game, espiecially after I joined an English squad last summer. Italian players are notorious for only showing up for big games, and our Deportivo debacle is a testament to that. Becks works so hard, and his passing is not limited only to the final ball in the final third of the pitch, but that link up play, that pass that causes uncomfortable shifts in the back lines, and he tracks back always.
You call Becks WORKING HARD? I'll tell you who works hard, Gattuso works hard, Pavel Nedved works hard, Sergio Volpi works hard. Beckham's rate is nowhere in comparison to Gattuso's that much is true, but even so he still isnt half of a hardworking player than most players I see. Beckham is good but he doesnt play with as much spirit and passion and determination. THAT is something that I think will not go well with Milan as Milan is the total opposite. His crosses are great and I agree it can link up plays but so can Camoranesi and this in no way a biased argument but really, I think even Camoranesi works harder than Beckham.
We are ruling out Becks on the concept that we will be playing with the same starting eleven every game. And that is not the case, we have ben very lucky through injuries, and being able to brace ourselves when we have been without a player, but we are slowly becoming a predictable team, we need options, and that's why players like Jankulovski are coming, we need more dimensions and Galliani is recognizing this. Why do you think we brought in Crespo? We needed a header, and we have that now, but we do not have the ability to rain in crosses that teams like Juve, Madrid, Man Utd, Inter and others do. That is how you break open those packed in defenses, through crossing something we sorley lack, on either flank of the pitch.
You might want to opt for different styles yes but again having Beckham here is a gamble. Having him here will be extremely expensive I would expect and you wont even know if hes able to suit in well - its too much of a risk to be taken if you ask me in terms of finance. Better go for Janks I say, cheaper and has the Serie A experience. Beckham is an experienced player having played in England, Spain and CL but Serie A is beyond these leagues. I agree you might need to have more crosses and alternatives, but I dont agree that Beckham is the player to provide it for you.
I'm tired of listening to people bash Becks for his good looks, for his endorsements, for his supposed devaluation because of these factors. He is a good player, but a source of envy, and has shown his class for England many times, he's the Captain and deserves to be, he's shown his abilities on many Champions League nights, and is under more pressure every minute of his life then this entire forum combined. He is a player many look up to, and should too, he works hard, and has worked hard on his skills and has compensated for any lack thereof with a great work rate, a great spirit, and people forget that. He's had to deal with a dubious sending off, and the wrath of a nation only to return as Captain, he has shown class with all the situations and sagas, and to reduce him to some idiot who knows nothing about nothing, little footballing abilities [how did he get so famous in the first place?]
Its true that people bash him for his fame, which is rather unnecessary because its not his fault that this BecksMania started. I do admit that people look down on him more than they ought to and I do admire him for coming back after having the whole England wanting to throttle him, but that aside after his comeback and being captain of England and playing for MU and Real Madrid - I feel that you are exaggerating in a way. He is a good player nontheless and shouldnt be belittled just because of his fame, but he isnt that great either the way you make him sound to be in my personal opinion.
While I rate Serie A as the best league in the world, many attribute Becks rise to the lack of skill and quality in the prem. Well we have a prem reject in Crespo, a British style midfielder in Gattusso, and don't forget Juve's fantastic fall at Chelsea. He's scored half field goals, great free kicks, awesome crosses, great passes, magical runs, and has taken the stick given from Madrid fans and become one of their best players. Many players collapse with a fraction of the attention he recieves.
That is true but I still do not find how he can be fitted in this Milan - I do not see whom Milan would be willing to sacrifice for Beckham, or if they should.
Do I want Beckham in Milan? I am mixed, sort of leaning to yes. But as a player, I have a lot of respect for him, because he deserves it, and the critisms of him I think, are completely undeserved. So in short, leave the non-football related pot shots out of this, because he obviously has shown he can deal with it. Thank you.
Fair enough, he deserves some respect because after all he is a good footballer, but from what I've read not only in MM but also other forums - Beckham is good, just perhaps not well suited for Milan... If Milan do decide to buy him, I wish him good luck and who knows he could prove his critics wrong.
what are you doing here anyway, go away!
I think he is refering to Beck's working hard when he played right midfield while playing at Man U. I have to agree that while at Man U he was a hard working player. Now in comparison to Gattuso, ok Rhino plays the most of them all. But Beck's passes the ball and makes way more oppurtunity plays than Rhino will ever do. A bit premature to say but it is a fact. The question is really what gameplan does Milan want to have because both players do have their setbacks. Do we want the more offensive minded Beckham at the potential cost of our defense or do we want the more defensive reliable Gattuso who really isnt IMO effective offensively. Can we have both??? Is it worth the salaries to have both? Becks would cause a sensation if he were to come to Milan. The games Milan would have would definitely be entertaining to watch. At least admit to that! And like I said Gattuso own words desired to play for Man U one day. When??? If not... Maybe he shouldn't have said something like that because it opened up serious questions regarding "if he were to leave" now what??
It was good for you to express your concerns here today Samaldinho. I can see that some of the opinions here just drove you over the top. For me I like to try to get some constructive debates on a lot of issues instead of petty name calling and all that rubbish. You should participate more.
FORZA MILAN!
sehnsucht79
18-03-2005, 10:37
I follow MU's games whenever I can and I prefer the young Becks compared to his time in MU moments before he left... He is hardworking yes but still hasnt reached that particular standard.
IMO you definitely cannot sacrifice Gattuso for Beckham. For one, players like Gattuso do not come easily to me. Second, he's great in defending the midfield but also when it comes to creativity - you have my darling Kaka and Pirlo, a lethal player in Sheva... Which samaldinho has a point in stating that Milan CAN become too predictable, but if you do need someone to rain Milan with more opportunities, Beckham is just not the right person to do it.
I follow MU's games whenever I can and I prefer the young Becks compared to his time in MU moments before he left... He is hardworking yes but still hasnt reached that particular standard.
IMO you definitely cannot sacrifice Gattuso for Beckham. For one, players like Gattuso do not come easily to me. Second, he's great in defending the midfield but also when it comes to creativity - you have my darling Kaka and Pirlo, a lethal player in Sheva... Which samaldinho has a point in stating that Milan CAN become too predictable, but if you do need someone to rain Milan with more opportunities, Beckham is just not the right person to do it.
Ok. I give you kudos. But boy a lot of free balls fall at Rhino's feet outside the area and he just cannot finish or make a play that results in a goal.
Who would be a player to "rain" more oppurtunities if not Rhino or Becks?
sehnsucht79
18-03-2005, 11:04
SORRY - wanted to delete this post
sehnsucht79
18-03-2005, 11:06
That is true bout Gattuso, but like I said he is needed in terms of midfield defence so he cant be sacrificed. I think Kaka and Pirlo provide quite enough creativity, though if you need that extra niche you can opt for another creative midfielder, but just not becks. Go for young but experienced and 'proven' talents.
That is true bout Gattuso, but like I said he is needed in terms of midfield defence so he cant be sacrificed. I think Kaka and Pirlo provide quite enough creativity, though if you need that extra niche you can opt for another creative midfielder, but just not becks. Go for young but experienced and 'proven' talents.
Well I was hoping you maybe had some names for me SUCHT! LOL! Who of the young, experienced, proven talents?
sehnsucht79
18-03-2005, 11:32
Actually I think Janks is rather talented. Also underrated, but think bout it - hes one of the more popular ones in Udinese (who is having one of their better seasons), wont cost that much, young, and has played in Serie A and can survive in it. And he can be a real threat when he wants to. But he plays on the left.
ac_milan_foreva
18-03-2005, 19:22
guys guys it will be for free so we can loose we can only win :)
and remember what we did with crespo. im sure we can give beckham "an extreme make over"
Seriously guys, what has Beckham got in a footballing sense to deserve a move to Milan. George best said something along the lines of- he cant kick with his left foot, he cant head, he cant dribble, he cant tackle, but he alright :haha:
Anyone who watched our midfield against Man U would have noticed how well Seedorf, Pirlo and Gattuso read the game. Seriously where do you suggest putting Beckham. When at Man U, I dont know if anyone remembers Fergie dropping him for quite a while, but it made absolutely no difference to their results. What does he provide to Real Madrid apart from occassional displays of anger after conceding goals and the odd freekick. Since he joined them the "Mighty Real Madrid" are trophyless. Im not saying its all down to him, but if he really was one of the best players in the world surely Real would improve their play after his introduction, not go backwards. For England, his most famous contributions were a freekick he scored after 200 attempts :yuck: against greece and breaking a bone in his toe :w262: people are even beginning to wonder whether wright Phillips deserves a chance in his position.
Why dont we just pay Brad Pitt to wear a Milan top and sign Mihalavich to take free kicks, at least then Ancelotti wouldnt have the problem Luxembergo has. Fitting an over rated player into a team that he just doesnt fit into :eekani: If you take away the the financial side of signing Beckham he would end up at a club like Totenham or Middlesborough :crazy:
rossoneroid
19-03-2005, 02:07
NO BECKHAM PLEASE. WE WANT FOOTBALLERS NOT HOLLYWOOD STARS.
BTW he has no place in the first team for us.
Becks is ain't Hollywood star but Bollywood star. Lehja..lehja..
Anyway, IMO is ok to sign him if it is just a loan deal. Make him a benchwarmer and plays a role for him as Merchandise seller or marketing staff :lol:, we could earn some money for that, yes, he is a moneymaker. If he didn't like being sub, leave him alone or sent him off back to Madrid.
nestamania
19-03-2005, 06:15
i read somewhere that beckham wants to end his career in madrid.
it is great to know that he wants to stay in madrid or other clubs.
but not milan plz.
NO BECKHAM IN MILAN. :angf:
He is the worst footballer ever! I hate him! No beckham in Milan!!!!
Shevchenko 7, you made a point about who you would take out of the side to put Beckham in ... and by your own argument we might aswell never buy anymore players because we're not allowed to replace the ones we have.
I think it's a common agreement that there aren't alot of players that can match Gattuso's work rate, however Beckham does work hard at times, just as hard as Pirlo or Seedorf. I love Seedorf, but whenever i see him, he doesn't seem to sprint after players, just glide, sometimes it would be nice if some of our players showed the same urgency that Gattuso does. All of our players at times don't work as hard as they can, take off the rose tinted glasses for a second and be objective and not so sycophantic. I think our players are truly great and maybe Beckham won't fit into our team, but look at Crespo. All but washed up at the start, people in here were calling for his head, but he stuck at it and took us into the quarter finals, who's to say Beckham won't have the same impact ? Why couldn't we try a midfield of Gattuso Pirlo Beckham ? People say Gattuso can't cross or shoot, so why is he on the right ? He could do just as an effective job on the left. Lets face it, we're not going to have Seedorf Pirlo Gattuso for a whole season, it won't happen. So why not have a player that can start as a sub and see if he can force his way into the team ? Having him as a sub means he would work hard to get into the team and therefore work hard when he's on the pitch to keep his place.
I agree to an extent that he's not the player he was, but he has some qualities we don't have that he can bring to the squad and if he's on loan for a season, i don't think there would be too many negatives.
Are there better players out there ? Yes, definately. Are there better players available ? Probably. Do we need someone new that can refresh our midfield ideas at times to stop us being predictable ? Yes. Who's to say which player is the right answer, but would you rather waste £10 - 15 million on a player and him turn out wrong ? Or have basically a player on trial for a year ? Whichever way you look at it, at some point everyone's personal favourite midfield player will have their place taken away by someone new, it's a part of progression.
Oh and hello Samaldinho
sehnsucht79
19-03-2005, 11:08
Of course you'd never know Becks would be right or wrong for Milan until he actually tries, but to buy him and see is just too much of a gamble that I think Milan cant afford, therefore a loan deal is probably the best solution.
Using Crespo as an analogy is interesting, however I do think theres a slight difference - Beckham, unlike Crespo, has nothing to lose IMO, so there's really no guarantee or 'drive' that Becks would truly work hard to be well suited in Milan.That sounds judgmental, but thats just how I see it.
Shevchenko 7, you made a point about who you would take out of the side to put Beckham in ... and by your own argument we might aswell never buy anymore players because we're not allowed to replace the ones we have.
That is just exactly my point. Our team is perfect and is working wonders.
Beckham actually adds nothing extra to our current team.
And you misunderstood me if you think I said we cannot get replacements.
We should only get replacements when one of the current crop isnt performing his best anymore.
Are there any players in that situation now?
No.
And btw, no one should spend something like £20m on a player and ask him to 'earn' his place in the team. A pricetag like that should guarentee class. They should be immediate starters.
Btw, I was referring to our first eleven.
Of course, our bench could use improvement although nothing drastic.
Samaldinho
19-03-2005, 13:40
sehn, thank you for your comments, regardless of whether you agreed with them or not. However, I do have quite a bother with this statement:
I do admit that people look down on him more than they ought to and I do admire him for coming back after having the whole England wanting to throttle him, but that aside after his comeback and being captain of England and playing for MU and Real Madrid - I feel that you are exaggerating in a way.
No player, in the history of football has reached the heights of Beckham. No player has had to deal with what he has had to deal with. Sure we've had the great famous players who seem to change footballing, on a sporting, and sometimes on a social level.
Beckham has broken ground, the most recognized and face of football in America, a market that only recognizes Zidane, arguably one of, if not the, greatest footballer ever, and that is after Beckham [in terms of recognition, not class..]
Beckham has dealt with this pressure that you shrug off as nothing, playing at Manchester United and Real Madrid, clubs that have more pressure then any other teams on earth. I was agast with your "besides the fact that he came back from getting a red card for some of the passionate fans in football, became their captain, dealt with that pressure, continued to inspired Man Utd to a billion trophies, then come to Madrid as a galactico, that aside, he's not that great" That type of attitude over what is seemingly easy is what agrivates me. I know he is not the best right sided midfielder on earth, but he is, on his day, one of them.
Wright-Phillips? He showed his class on the international stage against Holland. THAT is supposed to replace Becks? Please.
I realize there are various other options as wingers, but Becks has shown class.
Oh and the comment that because Beckham went to Real Madrid he has been one of the main sources of their relative drop in form? Maybe it has to do with their piss poor defense that has a winger for left back, a joke of a right back, no defensive midfielder to fill the void left by Claude Makelele, and a Walter Samuel who obviously hates Madrid and only accepted the transfer to help Roma financially. [I think we should pick him up, imagine him and Nesta in the center for the next couple of years..]
No one is going to change anyone's mind over Beckham. But, he has done great things, scored great free kicks, great goals, and I remember his virtuoso performance against a very healthy Real Madrid the year before he transferred. He was brilliant, and I have no doubt he'd fit in Serie A. He can play anywhere, and his marketing value should be in no way a knock against him. No team would not like to have Beckham. Monetary or sporting.
Beckham is a great player, and will go down as a great player, unfortunatley his good looks and marketing value will tarnish what he has been able to do in his career, and I think many of you are forgetting his greatness at Manchester United.
Am I advocating Beckham's transfer to Milan? No. Am I to deny his abilities based on the fact that he is good looking? No, that is stupidity at it's highest potentcy. That is like fans saying Del Piero is trash, or Cannavaro, or J. Zanetti, or some rival's team based on their team or their market value.
And [7]'s comment about me needing to get out of here, is the kind of reactionary comments that have led me to stop participating in this forum. And a certain Mido argument, that I'm glad I won. Drogba is looking mighty fine now, huh?
Thank you for your kind welcomes of my returning, I will hopefully be able to continue adding insightful comments so that we can have constructive discussions without name calling that is duly unrequired in this sort of setting. Thank you.
i hate all english players n clubs too!!
Then you're a racist.
http://www.goal.com/NewsDetail.aspx?idNews=51960&progr=9
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/mar16g.html
There's your problem right there. goal, football italia and tribal football pull stories out of their backsides. Like Real Madrid would send a player who brings in about 40 million euros in merchandising on loan to one of their strongest rivals in Europe.
Beckham would obviously improve the team but his career is in decline and he's 30. We need younger players with pace.
As for those who criticise Beckham's footballing ability keep your ignorant comments to yourselves :
UCL 1999-2004...Goals.........Assists.........Involved
Figo...................18..............25...............43
Beckham............10..............17...............27
Giggs.................11..............16...............27
Nedved..............10..............15...............25
Zidane...............9................9.................18
UCL = UEFA Champions League
F98 - EC2K4........Goals.................... Assists..........Involved
Beckham.............2...........................9..................11
Zidane................7...........................2...................9
Figo....................1...........................4...................5
Nedved................0..........................2...................2
Obviously Nedved and Figo haven't played in as many international tournaments as Beckham or Zidane because their teams didn't qualify.
Well i would disagree with you Shevchenko 7, i think our team can be improved. Why are we so keen to get Gilardino or Jankulovski ? Both of them will be given starting positions (if both are bought in the summer), so that's 2 members of the current first team that won't start.
No, i didn't misunderstand you, i was using your argument to make a point ... and who mentioned anything about spending £20 million on someone and asking them to 'earn their place' ? My point was that IF we took Beckham on loan, it would mean not spending alot of transfer money and we could then get him to 'earn his place' that way. Which by the way, i think would work, i mean if Real did give him to us for a season, it doesn't say a great deal about Beckham's future at Real does it ?? If they are prepared to loan him out. He would surely be eager to show Real that they made a mistake. But i do see how maybe it might work the other way and he could just take it easy, but then if he did that, we wouldn't play him and he'd waste a year.
I too believe that if we spent £20 million on someone, they would go straight into the first team.
I think you're a bit harsh on Shaun Wright-Phillips there Samaldinho. He was put under so much hype it was unreal, he stuffed up but he'll come good. He's been very good for the majority of the season and scored some cracking goals.
Well said Mehdi !
And [7]'s comment about me needing to get out of here, is the kind of reactionary comments that have led me to stop participating in this forum. And a certain Mido argument, that I'm glad I won. Drogba is looking mighty fine now, huh?
I wasnt reffering to you there, ;)
I was referring to sehncutns. the silly Juve fan. :D
and Jim, its 5:30am here right now so I obviously cannot write a decent message right now.. :D
Gilardino is to replace Crespo, yeah. I forgot about him.
Jankulovski purchase wouldnt be because Kaladze isnt good enough, its because he's injured too often.
Maybe it wasnt right for me to make those comments of purchasing other players, but, we were talking about Beckham, who I believe isnt better than any other of our first team players.
And sorry, yeah, you did mention get him on loan. I think if that could happen, in the case he would accept starting from the bottom. Then I think its a good deal. A deal in which we cannot lose.
There's your problem right there. goal, football italia and tribal football pull stories out of their backsides. Like Real Madrid would send a player who brings in about 40 million euros in merchandising on loan to one of their strongest rivals in Europe.
Beckham would obviously improve the team but his career is in decline and he's 30. We need younger players with pace.
Real has a new manager who seems to want to change things. beckham may not b in his future plans. instead of selling him now, they cud loan him to milan, wait for him to find his form like crespo, n then after a year sell him to sum club for even more money. If u havent noticed, beckham has not been at his best lately, n he has no place in our squad, that is y milan fans oppose to the idea of us gettin beckham. n sorry about my comments on english players & clubs :wallbang:
Sleep well Shevchenko 7, lets hope for some more updating of your signature in future weeks :D
Lets put this argument another way ... he won't get into our first team, but is he better than the people on our bench ? That answer has to be an emphatic yes. I can't disagree with you Martin because i don't get to see any of Real Madrid's matches, so if you say he's not playing well then i'll take your word for it.
There is the risk of him playing well and going back to Madrid for them to sell him. But that could also happen with Crespo, it's not a certainty we will buy him, Chelsea don't want to sell him right now and if they do i doubt it'll be for a small price.
Like anything, it's a gamble ... but it's a gamble that we can't lose too much on, particularly if we got Real to pay half of his wages :D
I agree with Medhi and Sam that Beckham is a better player that most give him credit for, but do not think he could add much to Milan given our formation and the fact that Cafu is our main man on the right flank.
Rapierist
20-03-2005, 01:12
I think Becks *WAS* a smashing player. When he stuck to the right side of midifield for United.
The problem is that he believes his own hype. He is absolutely RUBBISH in Central Midfield. For all his range of passing, he hits far too many long balls just because he thinks he is great at delivering them.
Fergie kept him stuck on the right(which is his position) and he performed consistently. Now at Real, he has been playing Central Midfield for two seasons and has yet to show any kind of consistent form.
I don't think he'll get worse as he gets older. His game was never about pace. He can pass the ball well and tracks back to help out the defence. Those qualities do not diminish with age.
But he will never be the player he once was.
We should absolutely keep away from him. His career is on a downward spiral.
One thing i forgot to mention about him that i dislike is .... well to be honest i'm not sure how to describe it. In the England friendly against Holland and for some other national games, he seems to want to be everywhere, running around like a headless chicken. That much energy can be good, if it's focused correctly, but against Holland it just caused chaos because no one knew where to play. One minute he'd be on the right, then in the middle, then at centre-back almost. It completely disrupted any kind of rhythm that England did manage. If he stuck to his job it would be better, but that need to be involved in almost everything is unsettling for other players.
After a nights sleep, i think it would be wise to steer clear of him. Even though i doubt this rumour had any truth in it to begin with.
haha Beckham tried to be Pirlo :D
I dont like Beckham, but our Milan theory is that we get top class players (name only) while their performance in their club is fairly poor but when they come to Milan..they become the best
e.g. Cafu, Pirlo and Seedorf...look at them now..TOP CLASS PLAYERS AND I MEAN IT!
But we dont have place for Becks..he wants to come to Milan becoz its the city of fashion and his wife loves fashion..so..he doesnt want to come for HIM..but for his WIFE
I dont like Beckham, but our Milan theory is that we get top class players (name only) while their performance in their club is fairly poor but when they come to Milan..they become the best
e.g. Cafu, Pirlo and Seedorf...look at them now..TOP CLASS PLAYERS AND I MEAN IT!
But we dont have place for Becks..he wants to come to Milan becoz its the city of fashion and his wife loves fashion..so..he doesnt want to come for HIM..but for his WIFE
We have many top players in our team but all of them are useful.We bought players never because those players are famous in the world We always think about the players suit us or not,.Like you said "while their performance in their club is fairly poor but when they come to Milan..they become the best" Because we belive that the players are suitable for us and help the team,like Seedorf.But Beckham?his ability isn't better than anyone in our team,so why do he deserve to play in the pitch while other players of us are sitting on the bench!We are not Real Mardrid who always have some stupid signing.
I don't like him so much!not only because his ability,he's not a good man also.
We can always know what he does in newspaper,most of them are negative news.
Don't come to here Beckham!You are not deserve to be Rossoneri!! :1ang: :1ang: :1ang: :evil: :evil: :1ang: :finger: :finger: :pchate: :pchate:
For less than £10m or a loan deal, Beckham wouldnt be a "stupid deal"
He would add great depth, and even more popularity for Milan.
If he comes to Milan he will ruin all the team with his stupid scandals! Go away spiceboy! IN Armenia we all call Beckham "Xzik" which means girl!
']For less than £10m or a loan deal, Beckham wouldnt be a "stupid deal"
He would add great depth,
Well,we can have a much "clever deal" with using less £10m.Many players are much suitable than Beckham in the world to add our depth with using less than £10m.Beckham doesn't suit us and Seria A.
']and even more popularity for Milan.
He just could bring some "Fake Milan Fan",they are beckham friend,not because he plays well in football,it's his good looking.We Don't Need Those Fans
Gio-mania
20-03-2005, 12:02
ppl, its just a roumer.......
i've also heard tht becks might sign a life contract wid real madrid......
He's not a good man ? How the hell would you know Masson ?
If people believe everything they read in the papers about him then they're even more stupid than the comments they make about him as a person. He might not be the brightest spark, but he's not a bad person ... he's a decent family man. Incase you didn't realise it, negative news sells papers and it's usually about the high profile players.
Judge him on his football, not on him being a person.
Judge him on his football, not on him being a person.
absolutely! and on that account, please keep him away from milan. the only time i was impressed with him was during his first few months in real madrid when he played really well for both england and real madrid. since then he has become crap and we really don't need him here.
He'd take Pirlos fantastic FKs and PKs :(
But he will sell some shoes for us wont he? ;)
absolutely! and on that account, please keep him away from milan. the only time i was impressed with him was during his first few months in real madrid when he played really well for both england and real madrid. since then he has become crap and we really don't need him here.
IMO you are right! Though he was super in MU! :w200:
IMO you are right! Though he was super in MU! :w200:
definitely not during his last season or 2. he was losing it and was rightly sold. in real madrid, he actually became better but only for a short while.
The reason why Chelsea are becoming successful is because Abramovich spends his money, but leaves all the footballing decisions to Mourinhio.
Ancelotti himself said once that Beckham wouldnt fit into our system so why give carlo more trouble than he needs? Milan can always improve by bringing in new players, but these players should be better players than the current starters or substitutes who play in a simillar way to the starters and can come in and fill the gaps. Beckham doesnt fall into either category, to play him the whole system changes. It doesnt matter who the player is, if he doesnt fit into the managers system he doesnt belong at Milan.
The reason why many people dont want him to come to Milan is they dont want to see milan follow Real and make transfers they dont need which only hurts the club. At the moment Milan need a left back (Kaladze is injured too often), a sub for Pirlo like Pizzaro and a striker. Real Madrid ignore what they need so they can chase $$$$, but Milan need to stay on the road we are currently on.
Comparing Beckham coming to Milan to the Crespo transfer is wrong. Our midfield is complete. Our attack was very much different. Sheva is Sheva :clap: Inzaghi was always injured and was struggling to score when he wasnt(later on). JDT was never going to be a starter and we all wondered what would happen if Sheva got injured. Milan obviously needed a striker like Crespo, but we dont need Beckham. Yes many people felt Crespo wouldnt be successful, but these people knew we needed someone with is characteristics. Luckily Ancelotti was right for the umpteenth time :clap:
The reason why Chelsea are becoming successful is because Abramovich spends his money, but leaves all the footballing decisions to Mourinhio.
Ancelotti himself said once that Beckham wouldnt fit into our system so why give carlo more trouble than he needs? Milan can always improve by bringing in new players, but these players should be better players than the current starters or substitutes who play in a simillar way to the starters and can come in and fill the gaps. Beckham doesnt fall into either category, to play him the whole system changes. It doesnt matter who the player is, if he doesnt fit into the managers system he doesnt belong at Milan.
The reason why many people dont want him to come to Milan is they dont want to see milan follow Real and make transfers they dont need which only hurts the club. At the moment Milan need a left back (Kaladze is injured too often), a sub for Pirlo like Pizzaro and a striker. Real Madrid ignore what they need so they can chase $$$$, but Milan need to stay on the road we are currently on.
Comparing Beckham coming to Milan to the Crespo transfer is wrong. Our midfield is complete. Our attack was very much different. Sheva is Sheva :clap: Inzaghi was always injured and was struggling to score when he wasnt(later on). JDT was never going to be a starter and we all wondered what would happen if Sheva got injured. Milan obviously needed a striker like Crespo, but we dont need Beckham. Yes many people felt Crespo wouldnt be successful, but these people knew we needed someone with is characteristics. Luckily Ancelotti was right for the umpteenth time :clap:
Anchelotti is always right! If we need MF than we must buy Gerarad/Robben but no Beckham!
:3band:
Not a single person is hole-heartedly advocating that Milan should get Beckham, yet this thread grows longer and longer. Maybe Becks has some magic power of attracting people after all...
isnt that obvious? nobody is denying he's famous.
Yeah, but Beckham Coming to Milan,that would be a nightmare,i don't beckhamb to be on the list of milan's legend besides Van Basten,Rivera and co
No thank you we don't want Beckham in San siro(unless if he is wearing Nerazurri shirt)
I think if Beckham will leave Real He will come to Milan?!
And now that:
http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=265088&CPID=23&CLID=&lid=10&title=Becks+hints+at+Real+exit&channel=Spain
Its funny how he loves the attention when it suits him :rollani:
I don´t know why but I think becks could be good signing. he would be a great sub player for gattuso :sagrin:
I'm totally against Beckham coming to Milan. He's the type of player that is more likely to go to Inter and be payed huge amounts of money, while he's playing bad and involved in scandals and fights ment to destabilise the atmosfere between the players of the team. Just the Recoba type, damn Inter are stupid. :D
Grant1977
28-03-2005, 10:33
I dont want Milan do sign Beckham, Although he was once a great player,a combination of Media spot light and age has caught up with him.
He should be in the England team in front of Wright Phillips, Milan certainly dont need him, we should be after up and coming midfielders like Van Der Vaart, Sniejder, Essien, De Rossi and Vicente!!
We want players that are exciting and tricky, unfortunatley Beckhams been found out now, its time to move on!
Samaldinho
12-04-2005, 14:07
Look like Beckham couldn't be "figured out" against Barca. He was simply class.
So I guess it will be another couple of years before he has another good game. :u56:
diavolo sono io
12-04-2005, 23:54
So I guess it will be another couple of years before he has another good game. :u56:
And dat's probably going to b in a practice/friendly match only, if real are lucky ;)
The huge problem and thing about Beckham is media ignorance. For the past 2 - 3 years Beckham has been woefully average. This from supposidly one of the world greats. In big tournaments he goes missing. Portugal being the most noticable and he always has his excuses ready. The madird trainng didn't get me fit, the penalty spot was bad. Sorry but did you hear anyone else complain?
He is by far the most over rated player in football history, plays woeful football for the past few years and then has a good game against Azerbyjan (spelling probably wrong) and again the English media are all over him saying how class the man is.
I'm sorry but a preformance against the likes of Northern Ireland and Aze... who are not exactly world powers should be games were this supposidely great one rules so whats the fuss about. The guy is almost beyond critisism by the English media. He gets shown for what he is against a good side and the headline is that it didn't quite happen for him tonight. He has an ok game against a woefull team and he is an absolute legend that anybody who ever doubted him should be shot.
Stezagud
13-04-2005, 10:49
I dont often defend Beckham and i have stayed out of this thread deliberately but i may as well say what i think on this now.
In my opinion Beckham has possibly been the most consistent player at Real, IIRC before his injury he was the only player to have started every game under Luxemburgo.
He was easily the best player in the recent Real-Barca clash ( i know its only 1 game but its a pretty important one ;) ) and that was because he had more freedom to play as he used to. There are 3 reasons for that:
1) Figo was benched giving Beckham the opportunity to raid down the right side at will.
2) Gravesen. "Tommy G" :D plays the role that Real have needed to cover since Makelele left. This helps the whole team but perhaps Beckham more than the rest as a lot of the defensive duties had fallen to him prior to Gravesens arrival.
3) Owen partnered Ronaldo. This combination is a lot more direct which gives Beckham genuine targets for his passing. There were bound to be gaps with a side as offensive as Barca and they were exploited, particularly for Owens goal.
If Real are prepared to sideline a few galactico's in search of a genuine team then Beckham would be extremely useful to them.
The guy is almost beyond critisism by the English media. He gets shown for what he is against a good side and the headline is that it didn't quite happen for him tonight
thats hardly the case, they spent 6 months campaigning for him to be stripped of the captaincy and dropped in favour of Wright-Phillips. The only reason so little fuss was made of him starting the N.Ireland game was because the press knew they would look stupid demanding Wright-Phillips after he missed 2 open goals against Holland ;)
You made some good points about Beckham, but he was the most consistant player from a bunch of totally inconsistant players. The last two seasons have been the worst they have had for a long time. Also the fact that he played well once Figo was dropped doesnt mean anything because Real sooner or later will sign Jaquin from Betis and Beckham will have to take the same role he had before the Barca game.
I have to say though in england he is more or less untouchable. I mean how many times has he really performed for England and especially against big teams. The likes of Ledley King have even performed better than him. King was excellent at Portugal which you cant say about Beckham at any international tournement. in Italy del Piro was replaced by totti because he wasnt living up to expectations. In england there is no one who is even half decent to play on the right wing apart from Wright Phillps who isnt ready yet. Its also unfair to compare a 23 year old with no international experience against Holland (Not an easy game to prove yourself in) to a guy supposedly at his peak age who has played plenty of CL and international games.
....
Its also unfair to compare a 23 year old with no international experience against Holland (Not an easy game to prove yourself in) to a guy supposedly at his peak age who has played plenty of CL and international games.
Wright-Phillips is an excellent player but not really special. if he is, then he would've played in international stage when he was teenager, like Owen and Rooney did.
anyway, replacing Beckham with Wright-Phillips is a disastrous decission. England need Beckham even he didn't play well. ;)
princessa
13-04-2005, 13:35
NOOO come on! this cant be true.I dont believe this and i DONT wanna believe this! but i am glad that so many others think the same!
His is not good enough for milan, and He is arrogant so..he will get into allot of trouble even when he TRIES to play in milan!but i think his wife would love to move to milan...for the shopping!
better a new young talent then Becky
ACMILAN1983
13-04-2005, 16:53
Victoria might love Milan, but as far as "Becky" goes, if he was to come, I wouldn't be surprised to see him go the same way as Rivaldo ;)
Lombardia
13-04-2005, 16:57
i don't want that over-rated, show pony at our club. he's more interested in the media and getting famous then playing football. when he was younger he was a fantastic player, but these days he's got his mind on other things, also where would he play?
we don't play with right wingers, and the only position he could play is where pirlo plays, but he doesn't have the speed of thought to play in that position. nor could he play in seedorf's position, he doesn't have enough skill. he'd be nothing but an expensive player with high wages sitting on the bench week in and out. ok he's good at dead ball's, but pirlo is miles better, he's got more goals from free kicks than him, and more assists (check out the stats, beckham has 2 free kick goals in 2 years for real). definatley don't want him and his insane, egotisitcal, press hunting bad singing wife.
Wright-Phillips is an excellent player but not really special. if he is, then he would've played in international stage when he was teenager, like Owen and Rooney did.
anyway, replacing Beckham with Wright-Phillips is a disastrous decission. England need Beckham even he didn't play well. ;)
I think Wright Phillips developed a little alter than Owena and Rooney. Maybe you are right though. Beckham might be the best option for a team (England) who is more liekly to lose any major tournament than win it. just not for Milan :diablo:
i don't want that over-rated, show pony at our club. he's more interested in the media and getting famous then playing football. when he was younger he was a fantastic player, but these days he's got his mind on other things, also where would he play?
we don't play with right wingers, and the only position he could play is where pirlo plays, but he doesn't have the speed of thought to play in that position. nor could he play in seedorf's position, he doesn't have enough skill. he'd be nothing but an expensive player with high wages sitting on the bench week in and out. ok he's good at dead ball's, but pirlo is miles better, he's got more goals from free kicks than him, and more assists (check out the stats, beckham has 2 free kick goals in 2 years for real). definatley don't want him and his insane, egotisitcal, press hunting bad singing wife.
IMO you are right! :1five:
Stezagud
14-04-2005, 11:57
I have to say though in england he is more or less untouchable. I mean how many times has he really performed for England and especially against big teams.
the standards set for him are too high to be honest. The performance against Greece was a truely brilliant individual display with the free kick just a cherry on top :D from then on he has been expected to play that way every time and it simply isnt possible.
I agree that he has dipped below the levels his repuation demands but when that happens the press always question his status as captain and start demanding he should be dropped. Because of his profile it is his position that is most highlighted and his performance that is most discussed.
The likes of Ledley King have even performed better than him. King was excellent at Portugal which you cant say about Beckham at any international tournement.
King only played 1 game :D
In england there is no one who is even half decent to play on the right wing apart from Wright Phillps who isnt ready yet. Its also unfair to compare a 23 year old with no international experience against Holland (Not an easy game to prove yourself in) to a guy supposedly at his peak age who has played plenty of CL and international games.
I agree that its unfair and i wasnt the one to make the comparison. The point i was making is that because of Beckhams status the press used SWP's emergence as an excuse to campaign for Beckham to be dropped, that sort of story sells papers :mad: After all the hype they put on SWP and his performance against Holland the press couldnt demand he start against N.Ireland without looking like a bunch of idiots :D
also where would he play?
thats the key to this, i wouldnt want Beckham at Milan because it would disrupt the midfield, however if Real are prepared to reorganise (they certainly need to) he could regain his previous form.
Rapierist
14-04-2005, 14:21
Maybe this is not really related to the thread, but......
Shaun Wright Phillips is a bag of bollocks. England are better off with Becks on the right.
And no, we don't need him at Milan.
I know king only played one game :sagrin:
Honestly though, the fact that you have to look to the qualifier against Greece which was what 4 years ago shows how often he performs. Lets not forget that Greece were not exactly a force in football at that time. ;)
Samaldinho
17-04-2005, 22:08
And dat's probably going to b in a practice/friendly match only, if real are lucky ;)
Another smashing game, and it's amazing how people over look his amazing qualities.
If only people could get past the fact that he understands his fame, and what he can take from it, and people stop being jealous, then perhaps his game would be showcased as it should. He's been hitting fine form, and has ALWAYS been Real's most consistent preformers. It's a shame that a player as talented as Beckham gets reduced to an over rated star based on the fact that he's supposedly responsible for Real's tragic lack of trophies.
Oh and this "Milan quality player" is such bull. There are a lot of players who are great and would deserve to wear a shirt like Milan's. And that is anyone who puts in the heart, it's not just skill, and I think Beckham DESERVES to wear a Milan shirt.
beckam is good player one off my favourite but he is only used to english football not italian, leave hime were he is or go back to england. gatusso, pirlo ambrossini do the job just fine
princessa
18-04-2005, 13:29
Another smashing game, and it's amazing how people over look his amazing qualities.
If only people could get past the fact that he understands his fame, and what he can take from it, and people stop being jealous, then perhaps his game would be showcased as it should. He's been hitting fine form, and has ALWAYS been Real's most consistent preformers. It's a shame that a player as talented as Beckham gets reduced to an over rated star based on the fact that he's supposedly responsible for Real's tragic lack of trophies.
Oh and this "Milan quality player" is such bull. There are a lot of players who are great and would deserve to wear a shirt like Milan's. And that is anyone who puts in the heart, it's not just skill, and I think Beckham DESERVES to wear a Milan shirt.
well lately those young players like becky play for money the more money they get at another club the better! so if milan pays him enough he will ofcourse play pretty well for acmilan! but does he play WITH his HEART?i dont think so...like someone already said before he is made for English football not for italian!
and yet i still dont this he would be good enough!maybe Juve will be good for him but not AC!
Samaldinho
23-04-2005, 23:37
well lately those young players like becky play for money the more money they get at another club the better! so if milan pays him enough he will ofcourse play pretty well for acmilan! but does he play WITH his HEART?i dont think so...like someone already said before he is made for English football not for italian!
and yet i still dont this he would be good enough!maybe Juve will be good for him but not AC!
With the wages that Milan players make, I think making an issue about how much he makes is simply assinine. He is playing simply astonishing football right now, and his display against Villareal was nothing short of wow.
Milan has extremely well paid stars themselves, so I think that point is not very valid. I don't think Beckham needs to play for money anymore.. He simply plays for his love of competition and to prove people wrong about him, because he is a class right sided player, not a central midfielder, and Luxembergo playing him on the right where he should be is doing wonders.
I would welcome him to Milan because we'd finally have someone able to cross besides Kaladze and Cafu, I would've loved to have that cross against Siena, wouldn't have you?
Stezagud
24-04-2005, 05:07
He was excellent again yesterday, if (and it is unlikely) Real manage to overhaul Barca this year then Beckham will be the main reason for it.
He simply plays for his love of competition and to prove people wrong about him, because he is a class right sided player, not a central midfielder, and Luxembergo playing him on the right where he should be is doing wonders.
Thats the key to his recent form. by dropping Figo, Luxemburgo is getting the best out of Beckham and making the midfield more direct. With 2 genuine strikers playing the defenders have more to worry about too, its no longer a case of just marking Ronaldo and then stifling the slow build up play of Raul and Zidane..
he did play really well yesterday but i dont think we should buy him at all
o no i dont think so , i dont like him like a player :irritate: i think becky play only for a money too ,we didnt need him in milan that all
Samaldinho
25-04-2005, 07:09
The argument over Beckham playing for money is null in my book. He is class, and I think Milan would certainly be a better side with him. Milan lacks a cross from someone outside of Kaladze and Cafu, and that could hurt Milan against the smaller sides [Siena, Messina anyone?]
Milan pays astronomical wages to their players too, and Becks has been Madrid's most consistent performer this season.
vBulletin® v3.7.1, Copyright ©2000-2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.