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Johann Vogel (Switserland) from PSV will go to Milan for three years! There will be an presentation in Milan today.
MilanManiac04
26-05-2005, 09:15
Where did u get this information from?
from the official PSV site:
http://www.psv.nl/show?id=14640&contentid=9169
Can anyone translate??
AMSTERDAM, May 26 (Reuters) - PSV Eindhoven midfielder Johann Vogel will sign a three-year contract with AC Milan, the Dutch champions announced on Thursday.
The Swiss international has agreed terms with coach Carlo Ancelotti and president Adriano Galliani.
"They are an absolutely top team, this is like a dream," said the 28-year-old Vogel about his transfer to the losing Champions League finalists.
Vogel joined PSV in 1999 and will leave PSV without a fee as his contract expires in the close season. PSV midfielder Mark van Bommel signed for Barcelona earlier this month.
AMSTERDAM, May 26 (Reuters) - PSV Eindhoven midfielder Johann Vogel will sign a three-year contract with AC Milan, the Dutch champions announced on Thursday.
The Swiss international has agreed terms with coach Carlo Ancelotti and president Adriano Galliani.
"They are an absolutely top team, this is like a dream," said the 28-year-old Vogel about his transfer to the losing Champions League finalists.
Vogel joined PSV in 1999 and will leave PSV without a fee as his contract expires in the close season. PSV midfielder Mark van Bommel signed for Barcelona earlier this month.
Good Job, Well done.
Is he any good, I cant remember him from the PSV games?
Is he any good, I cant remember him from the PSV games?
He can play pretty good!
He is a bit of a defensive player how doesn't score a lot.
He can control the midfield with good passes!
Sometimes he makes a rush and most of the time the rush finishes in a assist.
I hope you now have some info about Vogel.
Yes, it is true.
PSV's Vogel to sign for Milan
PSV Eindhoven midfielder Johann Vogel will sign a three-year contract with AC Milan, the Dutch champions announced on Thursday. The Swiss international has agreed terms with coach Carlo Ancelotti and president Adriano Galliani.
"They are an absolutely top team, this is like a dream," said the 28-year-old Vogel about his transfer to the losing Champions League finalists.
Vogel joined PSV in 1999 and will leave PSV without a fee as his contract expires in the close season. PSV midfielder Mark van Bommel signed for Barcelona earlier this month.
Issue: Eurosport (http://www.eurosport.com/home/pages/v4/l0/s22/e6873/sport_lng0_spo22_evt6873_sto723168.shtml) The first good news todoay.
He can play pretty good!
He is a bit of a defensive player how doesn't score a lot.
He can control the midfield with good passes!
Sometimes he makes a rush and most of the time the rush finishes in a assist.
I hope you now have some info about Vogel.
Thanks alot, well hes not Ronaldinio but hes somethign to get excited about. I hope hes as promising as dhorosso, and gets more of a chance than dhorrosso did. So is he Pirlo's new sub?? Does this mean Ambro is on his way out?
zlatanov
26-05-2005, 10:00
He is a hard-working midfielder and a good signing for us. My guess is that he is the first signing in midfield to substitute the departing Brocchi and Dhorasoo. I would love to see 2 more midfielders come our way - 2 from Pizarro, Juninho Pernambucano and Diarra (I prefer him to Essien). Wouldn't mind Rosiky too - even if Rui stays - for we will need a broad squad full of top class players in order to go for more than one title next season in order to avoid the physical and mental tiredness that cost us dearly this year.
For me if Dhorosso leaves, Il be as dissapointed when Contra left.
zlatanov
26-05-2005, 10:10
For me if Dhorosso leaves, Il be as dissapointed when Contra left.
I agree, well can't say I liked Contra too much, but have always liked Vikash. It's a pitty that Carlo never got to trust him and give him more opportunities to shine. Rumour is he would be going to PSG in order to secure a place in the French NT for the 2006 WC, given that France makes it, that is.
But still, if we get Pizarro/Juninho, Diarra, and Rosiky - along with Vogel - I would be more than willing to let Vikash and Brocchi go in search for greener pastures.
AMSTERDAM, May 26 (Reuters) - PSV Eindhoven midfielder Johann Vogel will sign a three-year contract with AC Milan, the Dutch champions announced on Thursday.
The Swiss international has agreed terms with coach Carlo Ancelotti and president Adriano Galliani.
"They are an absolutely top team, this is like a dream," said the 28-year-old Vogel about his transfer to the losing Champions League finalists.
Vogel joined PSV in 1999 and will leave PSV without a fee as his contract expires in the close season. PSV midfielder Mark van Bommel signed for Barcelona earlier this month.
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dhorasso is a class act and we should not let him go so easily.
Good signing, been following PSV as much as I can in recent years, I think for the sort of midfield passer/defensive backup role that we are talking about he is good
Johann Vogel
Winning league titles is in Geneva-born Johann Vogel's blood, having done it in his native Switzerland and in the Netherlands for PSV Eindhoven, where his distribution and leadership qualities are vital to the side.
National team
Having made his debut aged 18 against Greece in 1995, Vogel is a mainstay for Switzerland and was captaining his country at the age of 22. He represented his country at EURO '96™ but Switzerland would not make another finals for eight years. After playing every minute in qualifying for UEFA EURO 2004™, Vogel had a disappointing time during their short stay in Portugal after being sent off in the opening group match against Croatia.
Club
After being discovered playing for FC Meyrin, Vogel made his professional debut for Grasshopper-Club in Switzerland aged 16 in 1992/93. There he claimed three Swiss League championships and played in two UEFA Champions League competitions.
1999: Joined PSV Eindhoven and won championships in his first two Eredivisie campaigns, with Vogel missing only seven league matches in two seasons. Although AFC Ajax temporarily usurped PSV to claim the 2001/02 title, Vogel continued to excel in both the Eredivisie and in Europe, with the club reaching the last eight of the UEFA Cup in 2002. Vogel then enjoyed another terrific season in the red and white of the Eindhoven club, playing 32 matches to help PSV reclaim the Dutch crown. He played his 100th league game for the club in December and started all six of PSV's UEFA Champions League first group stage matches.
2003/04: A consistent performer, Vogel made 24 league appearances as PSV finished second, and scored a solitary goal against FC Zwolle last November. Played in four matches of the club's UEFA Champions League campaign.
Did you know?
The player he most admires is former Italy midfield player Demetrio Albertini.
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arpanmilan
26-05-2005, 11:35
whr r milan going 2 play him?
Vogel...don't remember him much from the PSV games. That's not a good sign. But have heard his name often and with the impending departures of Brocchi and Vikash he will be good cover.
Back up for Pirlo??? Any idea's??? Is Vogel interested in coming to Milan as a squad player???
Definetly need the cover.I think tiredness is the reason we had such a disastrous May 2005.
Gilardino, Vogel, Jankulovski and Oddo.Those would be good signings. Improve the bench of 2005-06 treble winners.
Don't let Ambro and Abbiati go though.
Even a lot of PSV-fans have doubts about Vogel, and Milan signs him ... I would rather have seen a good wingplayer like Lee then ...
For me if Dhorosso leaves, Il be as dissapointed when Contra left.
indeed, Dhorasoo should have played more this season as did Contra some years ago !
http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=280583&lid=2&cpid=21&title=Vogel+to+move+to+Milan&channel=Football_Home
I'll give the guy a chance, but I'm not sure we need him, Pirlo, Rino and Ambrosini to be honest. I'd rather we bought in some good quality cover at the back.
i wasnt sure about dhoarsoo but he made us all think twice and i hope the same happens to vogel if this is indeed true (waiting for milan to announce it) ... good luck to him playing for milan i hope he makes us proud!
PS: i would sell dhorasoo if u offered me 10M ... the guy is pure class and if he wasnt injured he couldve been the reason we won both CL and scudetto (feels soooo good saying that!!!)
nicostallion
26-05-2005, 12:47
i dont know what to think of vogel really ive seen him a few times but not really impressed me but if milan have signed im he must have some qualities we need
Gio-mania
26-05-2005, 12:52
vogel is awesome in my opinion.
he cancelled out our midfield when we met him.
an awesome buy!!!!
Not to re-open old wounds, but quite a few players have cancelled out our midfield in recent times, 1 good game against us doesn't mean he's a fantastic purchase.
I don't know a thing about him apart from what i saw of him in the first leg. So for people with more knowledge about him than i, i would like to know how quick he is and how committed he is ?? There are some players who never give up, Gennaro ... etc ..... is he one of them ? Will he always keep running no matter what minute of the game it is ?
My immediate reaction is that he won't be good enough for us and if anything he'll be used like Brocchi, very sparingly. But still i'm probably totally wrong and he's free ... so he might be ok.
For defensive midfielders, i would have rather we tried to sign Diarra of Lyon ( as already mentioned here) ... he's the kind of quality we should be aiming for, not more squad players who will only figure a handful of times a season.
zlatanov
26-05-2005, 13:07
getting Vogel doesn't elliminate the need for getting Diarra too - we would most probably offload Brocchi and Dhorasoo, plus even as it is now, we are short on players who could truelly rival Seedorf, Pirlo, Gattuso for first team spot. I have always rated Diarra very highly and I am truelly amazed how Essien gets all the aplause when Diarra is the true engine in the Lyon midfield, along with Juninho.
Vogel: you never see him, but that's his quality, he makes other players play better. Every season at Eindhoven he scored one goal (so don't expect many goals from Johann). He makes the game look easy. Just simple passing.
He's named after Johan Cruijf (his parents gave their boy an extra 'n').
His profile (http://english.psv.nl/show?id=9720&dbid=490&typeofpage=22365).
Vogel? I hope this isn't a sign of things to come. We need difference makers, not bench players. Carlo won't play Dhorasoo, who is better IMHO, so why would he play this guy?
Diarra is very destructive. He's reasonably quick, powerful and is comfortable on the ball. If Vogel can be like him i'll be very pleased. I just hope this won't be another season of Milan making cheap buys to paper over the cracks that are developing.
zlatanov
26-05-2005, 13:30
Unlike Vogel, Dhorasoo seems to be lacking in tactical awareness/discipline and this is probably the main reason why he never got Carlo to fully trust him. I fully agree with VMK on Vogel.
dhorasoo seemed to get the nod ahead of gattuso/seedorf up until his injury
vickirin
26-05-2005, 14:49
I think he could play in the place of cafu or rino so I guess brocchi will leave
surprised at this signing, he is very similar to ambroisini but not as good in my opinion. hope dhorasso is not sacrificed
shevagol_7
26-05-2005, 15:08
This signing really took me by surprise. He could be a natural substitute for Gattuso and Ambrosini could be Seedorf's (Ambro is much more creative than given credit for).
ACMILAN1983
26-05-2005, 15:15
Surprising signing at first glance but with some thought its quite a logical one. Firstly, Vogel will provide fair cover in midfield in helping when the pressure is on.
Brocchi is a strong candidate to leave and I believe Vogel will take his place on the bench.
Welcome to Vogel :)
How many players were from Switzerland in our history? That is an interesting question.
Honestly, I don't know anything about him. But being free is so good, especially when we are trying to save up for some other spectacular projects. :)
I don't know.... let give this guy sometime to settle, I had doubts on Dhorasoo as well, but he proved me wrong.
However today I'm too destroyed to talk on new signinings
I dont think carlo will play him often, but then whats the point of getting players when you dont let them play....
It seems that galliani and berlusconi have too much influence on our manager, its bad for the team and carlo too. He should make his own team and dont let silvio tels him what to do, if he has no results his way-by,by.
About Vogel, i dont believe he is better that dhorasso or ambro. But he is free soo.... Thing is that we need anothe classy CM. Not ronaldinho or gerrard but someone like...essien or rothen. Seedorf seems to be falling down, and rui is not getting any younger.
ac_milan_foreva
26-05-2005, 18:23
Vogel? I hope this isn't a sign of things to come. We need difference makers, not bench players. Carlo won't play Dhorasoo, who is better IMHO, so why would he play this guy?
he is for free.. FREEEE i mean what do we have to loose?
ac_milan_foreva
26-05-2005, 18:24
oh and here is a link to what i consider the most realible source...
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/may26i.html
more free's :rolleyes:. all this achieves is we have to put one of Seedorf, Pirlo or Gattuso on the bench to play him and because that seems to ludicrous to do for some swiss player, he gets benched every game. We need someone who will allow us to rotate the midfield.
I dont think carlo will play him often, but then whats the point of getting players when you dont let them play....
It seems that galliani and berlusconi have too much influence on our manager, its bad for the team and carlo too. He should make his own team and dont let silvio tels him what to do, if he has no results his way-by,by.
About Vogel, i dont believe he is better that dhorasso or ambro. But he is free soo.... Thing is that we need anothe classy CM. Not ronaldinho or gerrard but someone like...essien or rothen. Seedorf seems to be falling down, and rui is not getting any younger.
rothen is no CM man
rothen is as left wingerish as it can get
We are gonna use Vogel in a deal for Massimo Oddo with Lazio....
Vogel was being linked with Lazio for a long time....
so that's my point of view....Logical enough??
if vogel stays hell be good.
i remember him from euro 96 against england and he looked really good fro one so young.
however if he is a make weight for oddo still good business, although we still could do with another vogel like player to provide cover for ambrosini and gattuso
zlatanov
27-05-2005, 00:21
That's a very good point too - we could use him for exchange with Oddo too, although it really depends whether Brocchi and Dhorasoo would be leaving. Let's not forget that we are getting back from loan several young players like Boriello, dalla Bona, Donadel who could also play some role in a possible exchange deal for Oddo. In fact, it was suggested that Gila would end up in Milan for ~20 mil + two of the above players.
Sheva7_Evo
27-05-2005, 01:15
agree, but im sure Ancelotti has some sort of say (thought nof enough)...he got crespo.
i still admire Barca's transfer policy. They get leaders of teams (Van Bommel)...while we get out of contract players (Vogel) ?
e.g
Ronaldinho - PSG
Deco - Porto
Giuly - Monaco
and now Van Bommel
at least were no inter.
lets give vogel a chance to prove himself, and hope carlo does the same.
Vogel will be a backup player instead of Brocchi. Let's give him a chance to prove himself. Remember he is for free.
But he could be used in an exchange deal in the summer - let's wait and see what will happen.
Milan are focussing on the entire first team list as they should. Give Vogel his chance before making judgement, but Milan will be recruiting more back-up players than stars this upcoming transfer campaign.
The loss to Liverpool might sting Berlusconi into action, but dont bank on it.
Forza Milan
ARIO was spot on in my oppinion. Vogel is most likely destined to be used as a brick in another deal, probably Oddo. Free or not, doesn´t really matter given the amount we might be discussing in terms of signing Vogel, what matters is the role and need that he might fill in our squad, which in my oppinion is none. Replace Brocchi? Why, his role is minimal as it is. Replace Dhorasoo? Completely different type of players, makes no sense!
The most logical is that he would be replacing Ambrosini, if he is about to leave, which is a switch that would probably upset most of us. No, there is no logic behind this transfer in my eyes, the only logical reason behind this transfer is that he is to be transfered to Lazio who has been linked with him all year long. In return Massimo Oddo joins Milan. A move that makes sense, eventhough I´m not a big Oddo fan.
just for the record it's on our official site now.
hitmannq8
27-05-2005, 08:32
I really dont know what to say. I know for sure, that Oddo would be an excellent buy, that will allow us to use squad rotation. Oddo would be a good backup to Cafu, if not the best one available. Ofcourse he is no Cafu, Cafu is the best in his position :).
Vogel? Some say he is a good midfielder, but I remember he played in a mid-left position against us. He moves the midfield really well. I dont know if he is defensive, but I know he has good vision. I just hope Dhorasoo nor Ambro are sacrificed. Dhorasoo is such a good player, and I really hope he takes Gattuso's place next year. Im a big fan of Gattuso, but I think Dhorasoo has what Gattuso has, and more. Maybe the only thing Gattuso is better in is that he is more inspirational, and plays with heart.
Today, I saw on Eurosport news that Crespo is close to completing the Milan deal next week. More good news :).
I hope Carlo doesnt decide to offload Ambro nor Dhorasoo. Vogel is a good signing, afterall, he was free. I just hope Carlo rotates squad in a good way next year.
I have a terrible feeling that this loss to Liverpool is just a beginning of a huge crack :(. I came to this conclusion also due to the ages of most of our players.
We need to get rid of Tomasson. And surprisingly, Pippo. I love Pippo. But he has had injuries all season and has been using our fourth striker spot. Imagine if we had Gilardino here all season instead of Pippo. First, our strikers wouldn't be that tired. Second, our strikers would all want to play better because they want to impress, they are all fighting for a starting place.
And before all of you start thinking Gilardino is coming to Milan, I suggest you dont. Ever since I saw the first report of Gilardino coming to Milan, I knew for a fact that he isn't. Im 80% positive that Gilardino will be going to Juve. He wants Juve far more than he wants Milan. For some reason last month, I was hoping Milan could go for Ronaldo. And 3 or 4 days ago, surprise surprise, there are rumours of Berlusconi wanting him. I am convinced that if Ronaldo came, we would have an excellent strike partnership of Sheva/Ronaldo, much more useful IMO than a Sheva/Gilardino or Sheva/Crespo. Milan are a club that always get the best out of their players, they always let them find their top form. If Ronaldo is in top form, along with Sheva, oh my god......
Let's not dream too much and just consider that a rumour.. I hope we could also go for Robinho..In Istanbul, while Carlo was heading to the dressing room at half-time I was shouting GET ROBINHO! He smiled and walked in. I don't know if he understood what I said though. Let's hope Braida can get us a solid striker in place of Tomasson, and hopefully even Pippo.
We will also go for a goalkeeper as Abbiati is on his way out, possibly to England. I doubt Cudicini will want to come to Milan to be a sub, i'm thinking we might get Sereni or Peruzzi. Maybe even Lupatelli if Fiorentina get relegated (i hope they stay though). My bet would be on Antonioli.
Expect Mauri of Udinese to be signed as well.
EDIT:::
A few minutes after my post, I read a couple of headlines that could affect your opinion after you read my above post.
Real Madrid deny that Ronaldo is for sale. (I now think that we wont go for him, Sacchi is a man of his word)
Roy Caroll has been released from Manchester United.
ARIO was spot on in my oppinion. Vogel is most likely destined to be used as a brick in another deal, probably Oddo. Free or not, doesn´t really matter given the amount we might be discussing in terms of signing Vogel, what matters is the role and need that he might fill in our squad, which in my oppinion is none. Replace Brocchi? Why, his role is minimal as it is. Replace Dhorasoo? Completely different type of players, makes no sense!
The most logical is that he would be replacing Ambrosini, if he is about to leave, which is a switch that would probably upset most of us. No, there is no logic behind this transfer in my eyes, the only logical reason behind this transfer is that he is to be transfered to Lazio who has been linked with him all year long. In return Massimo Oddo joins Milan. A move that makes sense, eventhough I´m not a big Oddo fan.
actually hes here as pirlos sub... weve been looking for one for a long time, the list includes van bommel, pizarro, barronio ...etc the only difference is that vogel wasnt even linked before we got him so it sounds logical, besides one of vogels specialties is that he is a good tackler and he starts plays by passing which is what we need as pirlos sub.
also i dont think hell be used to get oddo simply because oddo is very cheap at 3.5 million
ac_milan_foreva
27-05-2005, 21:44
We are gonna use Vogel in a deal for Massimo Oddo with Lazio....
Vogel was being linked with Lazio for a long time....
so that's my point of view....Logical enough??
no way.... i want vogel in our team... he is a good player..
why not give the guy a chance?? huh?? he just came and we are already talking about selling him... no he must stay at least 1 season.
Shevchenko7
28-05-2005, 05:37
I agree, he must be given a chance before we complain.
If he is brought in and Brocchi sold I don't think it will change much, so I'm not too fussed to be honest.
We are gonna use Vogel in a deal for Massimo Oddo with Lazio....
Vogel was being linked with Lazio for a long time....
so that's my point of view....Logical enough??
I hope we get them both this summer ;)
Gallliani confirms dhorasso is staying
sehnsucht79
28-05-2005, 09:45
I dont know much bout Vogel, but he was quite solid against Milan & Lyon; other than that it seems that no PSV fan likes him as they deem him worthless except that he can insert a few tackles.
No matter, he is in Milan now, perhaps that will change.
lolofernandez
28-05-2005, 10:49
i think javier mascherano could be an increidble addition to our squad. He is only 21 years old and he is already the the center midfield of Argentina's national team. We also need a creative playmaker and pablo aimar seems for me as the one. He hasnt played in valencia this year but the whole year of valencia was awful. he need a team that actually can attack and milan is the team that he deserves for quality. i think for the center of the defense we can think about Perea, Samuel, Milito or gonzalo rodriguez cause we need to rejuvenate that zone too.
Dr Milano
28-05-2005, 10:55
dhorasso is a class act and we should not let him go so easily.
wot he s not good a player who gets injured a lot i dont like the guy we have better players and hes 30 or someat :devf:
I agree lolofernandez ..... i think we should also buy Zanetti, Tevez, D'Allesandro and Crespo ... move to Buenos Aires ... play in blue and white stripes ... and call ourselves Argentina :D
ok, sorry ... i couldn't resist. But seriously, why only suggest those players ? There are better players out there, more appropriate ones for Milan ... don't you think ? :)
agree, but im sure Ancelotti has some sort of say (thought nof enough)...he got crespo.
i still admire Barca's transfer policy. They get leaders of teams (Van Bommel)...while we get out of contract players (Vogel) ?
yeah but we get players and turn them into leaders...
zlatanov
28-05-2005, 16:37
I agree lolofernandez ..... i think we should also buy Zanetti, Tevez, D'Allesandro and Crespo ... move to Buenos Aires ... play in blue and white stripes ... and call ourselves Argentina :D
ok, sorry ... i couldn't resist. But seriously, why only suggest those players ? There are better players out there, more appropriate ones for Milan ... don't you think ? :)
:D :rotfl:
Or maybe move to Buenos Aires and call ourselves "Los Milanarios" - similar to what they call River Plate. :D
Anyway, LoloF does make a good point by suggesting Samuel, G. Milito, and Perea because they, along with Chivu and Alex (PSV), are pretty much all the decently aged defenders out there who have the quality to play for Milan.
A lot has been said about Kompany too, but he is 19 and is just too young and inexperienced to say with certainty that he is a defender of Milan quality. Kompany is still at the stage where journalists give you a lot of praise mostly because of being so young - sort of like Mexes. Kompany may develope into a great defender but that is yet to be see.
Dr Milano
28-05-2005, 17:23
I agree lolofernandez ..... i think we should also buy Zanetti, Tevez, D'Allesandro and Crespo ... move to Buenos Aires ... play in blue and white stripes ... and call ourselves Argentina :D
ok, sorry ... i couldn't resist. But seriously, why only suggest those players ? There are better players out there, more appropriate ones for Milan ... don't you think ? :)
which zanetti javier or cristian i would want javier :5ok:
Maradona (10)
28-05-2005, 18:16
Blue and white stripes? Maybe we would be called the Yankees then.
I would target Perea (Incredibly fast, can play CB or RB), Samuel and Chivu.
Dr Milano
28-05-2005, 18:18
Blue and white stripes? Maybe we would be called the Yankees then.
I would target Perea (Incredibly fast, can play CB or RB), Samuel and Chivu.
CHIVU HE S GOOD DONT KNOW ABT FAST BUT HES GOOD AND HE SUPPORTS MILAN
I agree lolofernandez ..... i think we should also buy Zanetti, Tevez, D'Allesandro and Crespo ... move to Buenos Aires ... play in blue and white stripes ... and call ourselves Argentina :D
ok, sorry ... i couldn't resist. But seriously, why only suggest those players ? There are better players out there, more appropriate ones for Milan ... don't you think ? :)
i would have said that to be honest
"We have Vogel who has different characteristics to Pirlo, he has less vision but tactically he covers the pitch well. As for the rest, it is up to the club to decide what is best but I have no preferences." - Ancelotti
I like the sound of Vogel - the fact that he is able to get into the game more via "covering the pitch" will surely help our "defence" problem. I mean, in recent months i've noticed that our defenders actually close opposition strikers down quite well - that is, almost all of the goals Milan have conceded in recent times have come from midfielders, mostly from outside the area. (Smicer, the various strikes during Milans home game against PSV - Van Bomel, Inter Milan -- Kily Gonzales, Veron, Van Der Meyde etc. and the match against Brescia.)
I still want Van Der Meyde though :D
roy_lo81
31-05-2005, 02:53
I think yes, but who will it be?
Absolutely, not Kaka, Pirlo, Seedorf, or Gattuso.
So.. Rui, Ambro, Serginho, Brocchi, or Dhorasoo?
Vogel plays the same role as Ambro.. :stuckup:
This season, Ambro didn't play a lot as Pirlo's sub. After the arrival of Vogel, things are more complicated. I think Vogel and Ambro will sometime play Gattuso's place, as a "right wing", so they can get more minutes.
If this is what Carlo is planning, we will say bye to Brocchi!
ambro played more this season than the last 2... and besides brocchi said hes def. leaving so yeah i thinks its him
I just wanted to welcome Vogel to Milan :3band:
I don't particularely agree with the transfer, but I hope that he proves me wrong. :)
I just wanted to welcome Vogel to Milan :3band:
I don't particularely agree with the transfer, but I hope that he proves me wrong. :)
The only reason that you don't agree with the transfer is probably because that you weren't expect it? :bri: :zany: Given some time, you will be much happier. :5ok:
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