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Do u guys think that we shud sell stam in the summer or keep him? stam is old and has made a lot of blunders this season. I am sure that if we decided to sell him this summer we cud make a lot of money from it and we cud use that money to land a young talented defensmen like chivu. We cant even consider stam a maldini replacement because they r probably going to retire in the same year. I wud love this defense next year:
cafu(oddo) nesta(sum1 from youth team) CHIVU(maldini) Janku(serginho)
out: costacurta, kaladze, simic, stam, pancaro
in: chivu, janku, oddo, one of the defenders that played for us in palermo game
shevaandkaka'
27-05-2005, 08:36
Do u guys think that we shud sell stam in the summer or keep him? stam is old and has made a lot of blunders this season. I am sure that if we decided to sell him this summer we cud make a lot of money from it and we cud use that money to land a young talented defensmen like chivu. We cant even consider stam a maldini replacement because they r probably going to retire in the same year. I wud love this defense next year:
cafu(oddo) nesta(sum1 from youth team) CHIVU(maldini) Janku(serginho)
out: costacurta, kaladze, simic, stam, pancaro
in: chivu, janku, oddo, one of the defenders that played for us in palermo game
ı agree with you
we lost champions league and scudetto because of refs and stam
juve scored because of stam
liverpool scored because of stam mistake
ı think we will sign chivu
Do u guys think that we shud sell stam in the summer or keep him? stam is old and has made a lot of blunders this season. I am sure that if we decided to sell him this summer we cud make a lot of money from it and we cud use that money to land a young talented defensmen like chivu. We cant even consider stam a maldini replacement because they r probably going to retire in the same year. I wud love this defense next year:
cafu(oddo) nesta(sum1 from youth team) CHIVU(maldini) Janku(serginho)
out: costacurta, kaladze, simic, stam, pancaro
in: chivu, janku, oddo, one of the defenders that played for us in palermo game
Maybe getting rid of Stam will be a good move if we can bring in someone of the quality of Chivu. The problem is getting any money for him, because he won't have a very high market value at his age, and I doubt he would want to leave to go to a smaller club.
As for getting rid of Billy Costacurta, that would be a crazy move. The guy loves Milan, is a legend and is highly respected in the dressing room. We should keep him and eventually get him as a coach, to work alongside Baresi and Maldini when he eventually retires. These guys understand the passion of the fans, and they should stay at the club to teach the youngsters.
zlatanov
27-05-2005, 09:24
Yeah, I agree - the people in Somalia are also starving because of Stam.
Seriously, I mean how people could so easily pinpoint the problem for Milan losing on the scudetto and the CL and say it was that player and not a whole GALLORE of other factors.
I agree that he made some mistakes but he is a Milan-quality defender and I am sure he will stay for at least one more season with us. Give him some time guys and stop whining like ... biatch-slapped whores.
ACMILAN1983
27-05-2005, 09:29
Stam!!??
The guy has been a rock for us so much this season and in crucial games. Yes its not been his best season, but he is still an outstanding defender to say the least.
NO, we shouldn't get rid of him
Stam is no doubt a world class player and is up to Milan's standard. The problem is wiht his coming our back line becomes somehow less stable.
The best combination for me is Nesta+Maldini, their playing style compliment each other very well, if we look at the past two season. Nesta+Stam can work too but not as good as N+M one. But Stam+Maldini doesn't work too well since their playing style don't complement each other too well. Stam is strong in direct intervention but bad in positioning. Maldini's strength is positioning and reading the game.
I don't see Stam is to be put on bench by Ancelotti, af all it was he who wanted Stam. We just renewed the contract with Stam for one year so don't think any sale of him either.
Just hope he will become more fitted in the backline with one season playing with us under his belt.
that would be stupid...
give stam time to settle... and still he had amazing displays for us this season... the game vs barca in the san siro tops the list... he may have looked uncertain but hes still new and u dont gel with a team just like that... we all know what hes made of and the board didnt sign him just because of his name they know we need him, next season the defence should look stronger, we would be used to each other better and with a winning mentality i doubt we would end up trophyless like this season
w cant blame our trphyless season on him, everyone makes mistakes, nesta looked horrible vs depor yet we know hes quality... this season was lost due to lack of determination
w cant blame our trphyless season on him, everyone makes mistakes, nesta looked horrible vs depor yet we know hes quality... this season was lost due to lack of determination
I can kind of agree with what you're saying, but if determination is why we didn't win things this season, then they attitude of the players must be in question surely? If thats the case, then who is not determined enough to win things with Milan?
Warro Bantan
27-05-2005, 10:40
Though I do fault Stam for many of this seasonīs losses (at the risk of being called a biatch slapped whore by zlatanov):D, I think he deserves a little more time, say till mid season next term, to properly mesh with Nesta, so there is more non verbal communication in the box, and hopefully prevent repeat goals of the like of those in the Juve, PSV and Liverpool matches.
His positional sense is terrible at times, and for players to score from the positions in the aformentioned matches, when we have not one, but two centre halves in the frame, is criminal.
I mean really, a free header in the box from open play, not once, not twice, but three times in three games?
And zlatanov, dont even start with me on this, as I know I am totally correct in this critique...and remember I didnt suggest that we sell him off right away...I think he deserves a little more time, but not a lot, and we need a youngster or two (some one say Coloccini?)to start integrating into the backline.
zlatanov
27-05-2005, 10:55
Though I do fault Stam for many of this seasonīs losses (at the risk of being called a biatch slapped whore by zlatanov):D, I think he deserves a little more time, say till mid season next term, to properly mesh with Nesta, so there is more non verbal communication in the box, and hopefully prevent repeat goals of the like of those in the Juve, PSV and Liverpool matches.
His positional sense is terrible at times, and for players to score from the positions in the aformentioned matches, when we have not one, but two centre halves in the frame, is criminal.
I mean really, a free header in the box from open play, not once, not twice, but three times in three games?
And zlatanov, dont even start with me on this, as I know I am totally correct in this critique...and remember I didnt suggest that we sell him off right away...I think he deserves a little more time, but not a lot, and we need a youngster or two (some one say Coloccini?)to start integrating into the backline.
Don't worry - I am not gonna come after you :D . The fact that you suggested keeping Stam saved your arse, at least for now :D :ilol:
As for Colo, forget about him for he was sold pemanently to Depor plus I guess we need someone like Alex and Chivu, although the latter seems to be a bit slow at times, with class yet young in age. See, the problem with finding a young defender is that the market has always been very poor as far as young and capable central defenders go. There are a lot of names floating around - Mexes, Kompany, Perea but they are all big IFs with lots of potential but nothing too concrete about them yet. Right now Chivu looks like our best bet for a young and proven defender, while Alex is another one but he is owned by Chelski so he is more or less untouchable right now.
Samuel also isn't way too old - 27, I think - and would be a great choice (although not exactly a lightning fast defender) for our central defence in the next 4-5 years but he is now with Real and I am not sure they will let him go despite the awful first season he had with them.
Furthermore, we must not forget the fact that Juve is also a team famous with paying a lot of attention on defensive solidity and their defence is aging as well. They will be a formidable rival on the young-defenders market and have been often linked with possible moves for Chivu and Samuel.
im not blaming anything on him or saying that he played horrible. i just think that we shud replace him with sum1 of equal quality but younger.
o and stefan wen i said costacurta out, i meant because of retirment not that we were going to sell him.
Billy_Montreal
27-05-2005, 14:29
out: costacurta
We are not Juve or Inter..we do not get rid of our legends like deadwood simply because we need a scapegoat...Given his age Costacurta has been much more consistent than many defenders half his age. The club decided to sign him on till next year when he will retire with grace and CLASS as he deserves.
I didn't see this thread and I started another one. Basically, that's what I thought about Stam: He is useful, but he should not take the place of Maldini in a 4-man backline.
What do you guys think of him right now?
I am not talking about who was at fault, Dida or Stam, for Gerrard's first goal against us (the most destructive one, you all know what an opening goal by the captain could do to the whole team's morale. :dstup: ). I am trying to look at this in a bigger picture. How should we use Stam, and what's the best way to use him?
In my opinion, Stam should be a backup for Maldini. The Nesta-Maldini duo should be maintained for another 3 years. Stam is too big a name to put on the bench, so it is a problem, so our captain had to move out to the left, where he was still good, :proud: but our central defense was weakened. The chemistry between Nesta and Maldini is unparalleled. :proud: We should not break them up. :stuckup:
So if we will maintain a four-man backline, Stam should be a backup. :dstup: Our captain is not becoming any younger, so this "young" Stam will be very useful. :ilol: And I am not regretting this 10M investment on him. Without him, maybe we weren't this far after all. :o
But, in another thread, I proposed this lineup:
--------------------gilardino--------
-----------sheva-------------------
------------------kaka-------------
------------------------------------
janku----------pirlo-----------cafu--
--------------gattuso---------------
------------------------------------
----------maldini--stam-------------
--------------nesta-----------------
--------------dida------------------
The main change will be:
1) the utilization of two wings and 3-man defense;
2)freeing Pirlo from too much defense responsibility but not pushed too much forward so that we can maximize his vision in playmaking and protected by Gattuso.
I doubt that Ancelotti will even think of a 3-man defense, but it seems to me the best way to maximize our team's potentials.
What do you think?
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Stam is no doubt a world class player and is up to Milan's standard. The problem is wiht his coming our back line becomes somehow less stable.
The best combination for me is Nesta+Maldini, their playing style compliment each other very well, if we look at the past two season. Nesta+Stam can work too but not as good as N+M one. But Stam+Maldini doesn't work too well since their playing style don't complement each other too well. Stam is strong in direct intervention but bad in positioning. Maldini's strength is positioning and reading the game.
I don't see Stam is to be put on bench by Ancelotti, af all it was he who wanted Stam. We just renewed the contract with Stam for one year so don't think any sale of him either.
Just hope he will become more fitted in the backline with one season playing with us under his belt.
I completely agree with you that Maldini pairs up much better with Nesta and is more suited at his age to play in the center. In crucial games, that should be the central pairing. Huge blunder by Carlo.
omg i did not say get rid of billy, i thought he was retiring this year
I know it's great to have legendary players staying on, but you have to draw the line somewhere. You have to accept that one day the likes of Costacurta and Maldini will be gone, they shouldn't play if they're not up to it ... for the good of the club and for them.
Remember what happened with Baresi ? He was tempted back for a while and he just didn't have the pace anymore, which kind of took the gloss off of the end of his career a little. I would hate to see the same thing happen to either Costacurta or Maldini. To see them kept at the club as a reminder of the glory days, but then see them out paced and out thought on the pitch, that would just be too much and not what either of them deserve.
We need pace in the centre of defence, if it doesn't come this summer then it HAS to come next summer for certain. I still don't believe playing all 3 of Nesta, Stam and Maldini works for the team.
Well with Pirlo in the team we are prone to attacks through the middle, should we get rid of him, Gatusso made mistakes in the final, he couldnt mahe a pass against Liverpool, PSV or :5inter: should we sell him. When Cisse came on , who was it that kept him quiet->Stam
Besides if you watch the goal again, Cafu is drifting inside while Risse is loving the space on the wing. Cafu doesnt properly close him down but risse crosses straight into his back. Then it came back to risse and Cafu still hadnt decided to close him down properly. Then came the wonder header. If it wasnt for Stam we would have got beat by Barca, we may have been beaten by :5inter: who were all over us until Stam got the first goal and we probably would have been complaining about Kaladze being injured or Pancaro being sent off or not playing well. Lets not turn Stam into a scape goat. :v46:
I dont see how Nesta and Maldini make a better pair. All 3 have made mistaeks this season, some bigger than others.
We should never have got Stam in the 1ste place !! Maldini-Nesta was awesome in central defense, and now Maldini has to play left wingback again. And Kaladze went to the bench ... Stam is not that good anymore ... We need some young reinforcements : Kompany is one of the hot prospects for the future of European football, it would be nice if we catch him ...
We are not Juve or Inter..we do not get rid of our legends like deadwood simply because we need a scapegoat...Given his age Costacurta has been much more consistent than many defenders half his age. The club decided to sign him on till next year when he will retire with grace and CLASS as he deserves.:proud: we are proud of our legends those who devoted their life to our team. I never even think about it, how a real Milan fan can speak such words - get rid of man who is our legend and a spiritual leader.
I never though that Stam is not worth to play for rossoneri colours. I am proud of him and what he has done to ur team, this complicated season.
OMG, how can you call yourself a MILANISTA!? :wth:
FORZA MAGICO MILAN
--------------------gilardino--------
-----------sheva-------------------
------------------kaka-------------
------------------------------------
janku----------pirlo-----------cafu--
--------------gattuso---------------
------------------------------------
-------maldini-nesta-stam-----------
--------------dida-----------------
i like this formation and it would solve a lot of problems we have. it is the best working formation i see where we can accomodate stam and maldini. with maldini on the left that side was too weak in going forward because seedorf tends to go in the middle which lost us width we need very much. if maldini plays on the left we need someone strong at going forward on the flank like serginho.
I know it's great to have legendary players staying on, but you have to draw the line somewhere. You have to accept that one day the likes of Costacurta and Maldini will be gone, they shouldn't play if they're not up to it ... for the good of the club and for them.
Remember what happened with Baresi ? He was tempted back for a while and he just didn't have the pace anymore, which kind of took the gloss off of the end of his career a little. I would hate to see the same thing happen to either Costacurta or Maldini. To see them kept at the club as a reminder of the glory days, but then see them out paced and out thought on the pitch, that would just be too much and not what either of them deserve.
We need pace in the centre of defence, if it doesn't come this summer then it HAS to come next summer for certain. I still don't believe playing all 3 of Nesta, Stam and Maldini works for the team.
I agree with what you're saying Jim, but I think Maldini is still good enough at the highest level, and Billy adds strength in depth. I think the point people are making is that they should stay at the club in some coaching capacity to pass on their experience to younger players. There can't be many teams who have players like these two in their squads, who have won pretty much every club competition going, and they could prepare some of the younger players in the squad for the pressure that goes with playing for a club like Milan.
I know it's great to have legendary players staying on, but you have to draw the line somewhere. You have to accept that one day the likes of Costacurta and Maldini will be gone, they shouldn't play if they're not up to it ... for the good of the club and for them.
Remember what happened with Baresi ? He was tempted back for a while and he just didn't have the pace anymore, which kind of took the gloss off of the end of his career a little. I would hate to see the same thing happen to either Costacurta or Maldini. To see them kept at the club as a reminder of the glory days, but then see them out paced and out thought on the pitch, that would just be too much and not what either of them deserve.
We need pace in the centre of defence, if it doesn't come this summer then it HAS to come next summer for certain. I still don't believe playing all 3 of Nesta, Stam and Maldini works for the team.
Maldini is still good enough to play for Milan. Costacurta has been a reliable sub, and I think his main contribution is in the dressing-room, with his experience and character.
However, I agree that playing Nesta, Stam and Maldini together hasn't been working. IMO, though, the main problem isn't Maldini but Stam.
I agree completely that when Maldini and Costacurta stop playing, they should be given coaching jobs ... and i'm not saying Maldini is the problem either. I was just trying to highlight that at some point we need to let go and not live in the past :)
nicostallion
28-05-2005, 15:42
Stam!!??
The guy has been a rock for us so much this season and in crucial games. Yes its not been his best season, but he is still an outstanding defender to say the least.
NO, we shouldn't get rid of him
i can only agree with you
Sell him if it's over 5 mil, or bench him at crucial games.
Kaladze must stay!
heidi azalea
30-05-2005, 02:09
We are not Juve or Inter..we do not get rid of our legends like deadwood simply because we need a scapegoat...Given his age Costacurta has been much more consistent than many defenders half his age. The club decided to sign him on till next year when he will retire with grace and CLASS as he deserves.
Respect you, Man !
Billy has made such great performances with us, why should get rid of him ?
With his age and experiences, he's a good motivation for novices/young players in AC Milan.
IMO, he'll stay until his retirement and after that, stepping to a good position in management. Trust me.
heidi azalea
30-05-2005, 02:16
:proud: we are proud of our legends those who devoted their life to our team. I never even think about it, how a real Milan fan can speak such words - get rid of man who is our legend and a spiritual leader.
I never though that Stam is not worth to play for rossoneri colours. I am proud of him and what he has done to ur team, this complicated season.
OMG, how can you call yourself a MILANISTA!? :wth:
FORZA MAGICO MILAN
Respect you man, IMO this is the best post from you I ever read... !
This is a funny situation. Have we won the Champions League, Stam would be "one of the best defenders of the world"... Now is not good enough...
In my opinion Stam is still a player of the highest qualtity - please also remember he has had a lot of injuries this year + this is his first season in Milan, which always is difficult...
Agree with Hitman. IMO last season with Cafu-Nesta-Maldini-Kaladze we had a perfect defensive system and with Stam, Maldini moved to the left and he took time to settle in our system. Besides that Stam had injuries especially in the beginning, IMO he's still one of the best, however his place is on the bench a reserve of Nesta and Maldini because at 36 Maldini is a lot better as a CB than on the left.
Don't forget that Stam made some superb games likes vs Barcelona, Man U, Inter.
Stam hasn't been at his best in overall but he remains one of the best central defenders in the world . He was a little bit inconsistent and that was a major problem . I don't see Maldini under-performing at left-back on the contrary he has been excellent but the point is he couldn't be used at left-back for the whole season at 37 that is a huge burden especially that he has to run along the full-length of the pitch up and down many times during the match . It is harsh to blame Stam only for his mistakes as Nesta who is regarded as the world's best central defender also commited mistakes . Of course he shouldn't be sold .
Warro Bantan
30-05-2005, 08:44
Whatever we do, IMO we need to reinforce our aging backline...
Having watched several Madrid games this term, I feel that Samuel would be a good aquisition, as he is usually faultless in the air....not many headers score vs Madrid, they are usually shots that the midfield/defense fail to close down, and in these cases, Walter is not really to blame..
Truthfully, the market for good centre backs is not exactly overflowing with talent now, but hopefully, we can make a good aquisition, as one thing is for certain...
We wont have another winning season with the backline as is....
I said from the day Milan signed Stam; "I hope Ancelotti isn't stupid enough to break up the Nesta-Maldini partnership"...
well he was :(
let's hope he returns to the recipe for defensive stability, which worked so well the first two seasons Nesta was here.
that's just my opinion...
(not blaming anything on Stam in particular there... but why on earth brake up the winning formula? thanks Carletto :( )
vickirin
30-05-2005, 22:41
I Must say that our defense looked a lot better with Maldini and Kala instead of Stam and Maldini.
Warro Bantan
31-05-2005, 08:55
IMO, Maldini and Nesta had a better chemistry, and as such, produced better results, the difference with Stam is that though he is better in the air, he isnt positionally sound, allowing way too much space for forwards in the box...this is the opposite for Maldini, who, though positionally sound, tends not to win important headers, eventhough closely marking his opponent.
This has been the dilemma facing Carlo...and has yet to be resolved...
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