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I had to open this thread so that this question doesnt get lost in the mad postings of all other tranfer threads in this forum, especially when we consider the Gilardino thread.
Right now the speculation is getting mad and out of control with everyone giving their input to who's in and who's out. It is getting me dizzy and I think no one has really touched on a few important points. I tend to believe that most if not all transfer speculations are for the most part full of inaccuracies and intellectual dishonesty nothing short of pure guessing.
What troubles me is that we are asking some of our players to be sold that are currently on the Milan rosters so to make up a shortfall of $10 Millions of Gila's asking price. Before even speculating on this, can anyone here at least give us a better sense of Milan's total player ownership be it CURRENT PLAYERS ON LOAN, half or joint ownerships and end of contract players so that we can all have a better idea as to our options????? Otherwise this psycho-babble going on in this forum is nothing but hot-air. I'm not trying to offend anyone but I do not think people have "all points considered". This way we at least have an some kind of a full account of all assets to be considered for sale into the calciomercato.
So someone please with the CORRECT profile to knowing this please help out this forum. You'll be doing all of us at MM a great PUBLIC SERVICE. This way the forum doesnt look like a crazy shopping spree with people wanting stuff without knowing what the hell is in their wallet or any equity/assets from their property to purchase it.
FORZA MILAN!
Many Thnaks!
savicevic
03-06-2005, 07:03
the info you are requesting is very hard to come by and i don't see its use, you are over-reacting, i think. what i have is the contracts deposited by Ac Milan in the last transfer market (2004):
Surname/Name/Acquiring Club/Selling Club/Type of Contract/Date of deposit
AMATO Andrea MILAN AOSTA SARRE DEFINITIVO 30/08/2004
ANTONELLI LUCA MILAN MONZA TEMPORANEO 31/08/2004
BLOUDEK Sandro MILAN NK MARIBOR DEFINITIVO 24/08/2004
COSNER Andrea MILAN FELTRESEPREALPI DEFINITIVO 30/08/2004
CRESPO Hernan Jorge MILAN CHELSEA TEMPORANEO 16/07/2004
ESAJAS Harvey Delano MILAN ZAMORA DEFINITIVO 31/05/2004
DHORASOO Vikash MILAN OLYMPIQUE LYONNAIS DEFINITIVO 13/04/2004
FAVARETTO Eros MILAN CONEGLIANO DEFINITIVO 20/08/2004
GHEZZI Marco MILAN PRO SESTO DEFINITIVO 01/07/2004
GIMONA Niccolò MILAN MONFALCONE TEMPORANEO 30/08/2004
GRITTI Andrea MILAN MONZA BRIANZA DEFINITIVO 25/08/2004
OGADRI Gary MILAN VOGHERA DEFINITIVO 25/08/2004
PANCARO Giuseppe MILAN LAZIO TEMPORANEO 11/08/2004
PANIGADA Stefano MILAN ALDINI BARIVIERA DEFINITIVO 25/08/2004
REBOLINI Eros MILAN VOGHERA DEFINITIVO 25/08/2004
RIBOLDI Stefano Eusebio MILAN ALDINI BARIVIERA DEFINITIVO 25/08/2004
SCARDAMAGLIA Benito MILAN ANCONA DEFINITIVO 01/07/2004
SPATARO Lorenzo MILAN MONZA BRIANZA DEFINITIVO 25/08/2004
STAM Jaap MILAN LAZIO DEFINITIVO 17/05/2004
VIVARINI Flavio MILAN ALDINI BARIVIERA DEFINITIVO 25/08/2004
i have no info on contract duration of players acquired before 2004 and of players on loan.
ON loan:
Massimo donati - Messina
Dall bona - Lecce
Kutosov - Sampdoria
Donadel - Fiorentina (possible half-owned now?)
Budel - Parma
That's the ones in serie A, we have numerous of players in lower divisions, like:
Abate and Pozzi in Napoli.
I'm looking for players that are still on loan or have joint owneship that maybe we can ask clubs to buy especially if they are not even considered long term investments. I can only think of Borriello at this time but I know we have much more players in our assets that are currently not in our current rosters. No I'm not over-reacting, I'm actually am trying to bring sense and sure footing into people minds so that they at least knwo what the hell they are talking about. Thanks for your input. This list does help, but I was certain there was more to this. You have to at least agree that all this talk in the other forum is getting out of hand.
savicevic
03-06-2005, 07:10
the following is a list of players we had to auction for in last year's transfer market. in Italian they're called Buste:
PLayer/ Holding club/ Participating club/ Successfully bidding club
CORTESE ENRICO MILAN A.C. H. VERONA F.C. MILAN A.C.
DONADEL MARCO PARMA A.C. MILAN A.C. MILAN A.C.
FAVARO DAVIDE PARMA A.C. MILAN A.C. PARMA A.C.
FERRETTI LUCA MILAN A.C. PARMA A.C. MILAN A.C.
PASTRELLO STEFANO H. VERONA F.C. MILAN A.C. H. VERONA F.C.
PORCARI FILIPPO MILAN A.C. PARMA A.C. MILAN A.C.
ROSSETTI LORENZO GENOA CRICKET AND F.C. MILAN A.C. GENOA CRICKET AND F.C.
STEFANI MIRKO PARMA A.C. MILAN A.C. PARMA A.C.
the players in bold are the ones we successfully auctioned for. the others are no longer Milan's.
ON loan:
Massimo donati - Messina
Dall bona - Lecce
Kutosov - Sampdoria
Donadel - Fiorentina (possible half-owned now?)
Budel - Parma
That's the ones in serie A, we have numerous of players in lower divisions, like:
Abate and Pozzi in Napoli.
Thanks Khris! This is what I wanted. Are there any others outside Italy and more important, are they equitable assets to either stay or be sold with any significant amount to make up for the shortfall of our bid price to Gila's asking price???
the following is a list of players we had to auction for in last year's transfer market. in Italian they're called Buste:
PLayer/ Holding club/ Participating club/ Successfully bidding club
CORTESE ENRICO MILAN A.C. H. VERONA F.C. MILAN A.C.
DONADEL MARCO PARMA A.C. MILAN A.C. MILAN A.C.
FAVARO DAVIDE PARMA A.C. MILAN A.C. PARMA A.C.
FERRETTI LUCA MILAN A.C. PARMA A.C. MILAN A.C.
PASTRELLO STEFANO H. VERONA F.C. MILAN A.C. H. VERONA F.C.
PORCARI FILIPPO MILAN A.C. PARMA A.C. MILAN A.C.
ROSSETTI LORENZO GENOA CRICKET AND F.C. MILAN A.C. GENOA CRICKET AND F.C.
STEFANI MIRKO PARMA A.C. MILAN A.C. PARMA A.C.
the players in bold are the ones we successfully auctioned for. the others are no longer Milan's.
My goodness! All to Parma, and now they are extorting us for Gila.
savicevic
03-06-2005, 07:21
the following is a list of players owned in half. Decision can be:
RINNOVO = holding club keeps him for another year
BUSTE = auction - i gave the results in the previous pst
N.D. = non depositato - no one deposits an offer so player is a free agent
Player/Holding club/Participating Club/Decision/ Deposit Date
ANTONINI LUCA U.C. SAMPDORIA MILAN A.C. RINNOVO 18/06/2004
BAU EDER U.S. TRIESTINA CALCIO MILAN A.C. RINNOVO 23/06/2004
BRUNELLI SIMONE F.C. INTERNAZIONALE M. MILAN A.C. RINNOVO 23/06/2004
CECCARELLI LUCA F.C. INTERNAZIONALE M. MILAN A.C. RINNOVO 22/06/2004
CHIANELLO ROSARIO A.C. PRO SESTO MILAN A.C. N.D.
CORTESE ENRICO MILAN A.C. H. VERONA F.C. BUSTE
DAL BELLO MATTIA A.C. PRATO MILAN A.C. N.D.
DEINITE MATTEO F.C. INTERNAZIONALE M. MILAN A.C. RINNOVO 23/06/2004
DONADEL MARCO PARMA A.C. MILAN A.C. BUSTE
FAVARO DAVIDE PARMA A.C. MILAN A.C. BUSTE
FERRARO SALVATORE MILAN A.C. F.C. INTERNAZIONALE M. RINNOVO 23/06/2004
FERRETTI LUCA MILAN A.C. PARMA A.C. BUSTE
FOGGIA PASQUALE EMPOLI F.C. MILAN A.C. RINNOVO 23/06/2004
GASPARETTO MIRKO EMPOLI F.C. MILAN A.C. RINNOVO 23/06/2004
GIORDANO MATTEO F.C. INTERNAZIONALE M. MILAN A.C. RINNOVO 23/06/2004
KALU IKECHUKWU MILAN A.C. U.C. SAMPDORIA RINNOVO 15/06/2004
LIVI ALESSANDRO MILAN A.C. F.C. INTERNAZIONALE M. RINNOVO 23/06/2004
MASSARO ROBERTO MILAN A.C. PARMA A.C. RINNOVO 23/06/2004
OLIVETTI MARTINO MILAN A.C. A.C. CHIEVO VERONA RINNOVO 23/06/2004
PASTRELLO STEFANO H. VERONA F.C. MILAN A.C. BUSTE
PORCARI FILIPPO MILAN A.C. PARMA A.C. BUSTE
ROSSETTI LORENZO GENOA CRICKET AND F.C. MILAN A.C. BUSTE
SAMMARCO PAOLO A.C. CHIEVO VERONA MILAN A.C. RINNOVO 23/06/2004
SARTI ALESSIO A.S. LUCCHESE LIBERTAS MILAN A.C. MILAN A.C. 23/06/2004
STEFANI MIRKO PARMA A.C. MILAN A.C. BUSTE
TICLI GIUSEPPE MILAN A.C. F.C. INTERNAZIONALE M. RINNOVO 23/06/2004
TOMA RONNY DIUK F.C. INTERNAZIONALE M. MILAN A.C. RINNOVO 23/06/2004
VARALDI MARCO MILAN A.C. F.C. INTERNAZIONALE M. RINNOVO 23/06/2004
Thanks Khris! This is what I wanted. Are there any others outside Italy and more important, are they equitable assets to either stay or be sold with any significant amount to make up for the shortfall of our bid price to Gila's asking price???
You called me khris?! :5drunk:
Athletico Madrid owns us money, that is known. Only foreign loan was us loaning Crespo.
That any of all our loaned players are on the way to become a asset to use is hard to tell.
Wait, I finally remember one guy, Leandro DePetris, a "new maradona" that we signed as a 12/13 year old, he is 15/16 now and he is in River Plate, from what I heard he is seen as a super talent and we apparently have loaned him out. a number 10 as far as I know.
Ok. Thanks Savicevic. This helps and your knowledge of this is spooky yet admirable.
Ok Kutuzov... sell?? Borriello ... sell??? Dalla Bona... sell??? Do we not partially own these guys??? Surely we can squeeze these clubs that have them at least $10 million out of their a$$es.
You called me khris?! :5drunk:
.
Huh????? Did I make a mistake or were you complimenting me???
savicevic
03-06-2005, 07:29
Thanks Khris! This is what I wanted. Are there any others outside Italy and more important, are they equitable assets to either stay or be sold with any significant amount to make up for the shortfall of our bid price to Gila's asking price???
well if it was simply loans you wanted, it's not such a daunting task
Kris mentioned:
- Donadel (Samp/Fiorentina)
- Donati (Messina)
- Dalla Bona (Lecce)
- Kutozov (Sampdoria)
- Budel (Parma/Cagliari)
- Abate (Napoli Soccer)
- Pozzo (Napoli Soccer)
you mentioned:
- Boriello (Reggina)
i add:
- Graffiedi (Siena/Modena)
- Rabito
Ok. Thanks Savicevic. This helps and your knowledge of this is spooky yet admirable.
Ok Kutuzov... sell?? Borriello ... sell??? Dalla Bona... sell??? Do we not partially own these guys??? Surely we can squeeze these clubs that have them at least $10 million out of their a$$es.
He most likely just copy a list from the official site or some fan site, should we call that knowledge? :D
sorry, we will only get 10$M for them all together, not individually. Kutusov and Dalla Bona have done well this season, but not well enough for someone to splash out. I would imagine that Sampdoria may want to keep Kutosov tough, since he did decently well and they don't have many talented strikers.
well if it was simply loans you wanted, it's not such a duanting task
Kris mentioned:
- Donadel (Samp/Fiorentina)
- Donati (Messina)
- Dalla Bona (Lecce)
- Kutozov (Sampdoria)
- Budel (Parma/Cagliari)
- Abate (Napoli Soccer)
- Pozzo (Napoli Soccer)
you mentioned:
- Boriello (Reggina)
i add:
- Graffiedi (Siena/Modena)
- Rabito
Now Savi... Are they marketable? Why can we not tell the other clubs to either buy them or take a hike??? Who out of these is a good long term investment to keep and who can we SELL??? Sell is the point I'm trying to know so that this shortfall of cash for somebody everyone wants can at least be met. Otherwise no sense talking about a player we want if we dont even have the $$$ to get him.
savicevic
03-06-2005, 07:34
He most likely just copy a list from the official site or some fan site, should we call that knowledge? :D
naturally, i'm no god. source is:
http://www.lega-calcio.it/ita/bacheca.shtml
savicevic
03-06-2005, 07:40
the players on loan who are a product of the milan nursery can be sold.
re the others, it's more difficult. for instance, we really paid Chelsea a lot of money for Dalla Bona's signing. 15 mln Euros, if i remember well. so they will be more reluctant to part company from such a costly player. they'd want to loan him out ad eternum so perhaps finally he shows he's a top-class player worth every penny spent and can return to the mother ship.
He most likely just copy a list from the official site or some fan site, should we call that knowledge? :D
sorry, we will only get 10$M for them all together, not individually. Kutusov and Dalla Bona have done well this season, but not well enough for someone to splash out. I would imagine that Sampdoria may want to keep Kutosov tough, since he did decently well and they don't have many talented strikers.
Ok thanks again. You see this thread makes more sense as we are not talking "wishful" thinking but are trying to explore realistic options and accountability of Milan's assets of marketable players. I didnt see any of this in the other thread. It's one big cockfight going on in there. Thanks for youse guys help. Maybe you guys ouhgt to mention what we talked here in the other forum as I doubt many havent even pondered this. That is if you guys are in those forums. Thanks again.
better yet what if we were to add merge this thread into theirs???
re the others, it's more difficult. for instance, we really paid Chelsea a lot of money for Dalla Bona's signing. 15 mln Euros, if i remember well.
You don't remember well, we bought him for 1€ million as his contract was expiring.
savicevic
03-06-2005, 07:50
you're right. so my previous argument does not hold. i think it was pirlo, then, that was bought for that fee that same summer (2002). was it?
you're right. so my previous argument does not hold. i think it was pirlo, then, that was bought for that fee that same summer (2002). was it?
Huh??? Pirlo??? I you sure about that. I know we got him as a inter reject to their stupidity. He was gold underneath all that lead inter coated on him. He didnt do well as he should have this year, but still he's money!
Thanks Khris! ???
You called me khris?! :5drunk:
Huh????? Did I make a mistake or were you complimenting me???
Am I all You Guys Think about, Calling someone Khris is a Compliment, now i have heard it all.
It must be the K factor
:gun:
zlatanov
03-06-2005, 16:01
... we really paid Chelsea a lot of money for Dalla Bona's signing. 15 mln Euros, if i remember well ...
... not really. We hardly paid Chelsea any money for him - he was out of a contract or in the worst case had 1 year left from his contract with them so they were "forced" to sell him for cheap. We didn't pay more than $3-5 mil for dalla Bona and that was 2 years ago, maybe even 3.
you're right. so my previous argument does not hold. i think it was pirlo, then, that was bought for that fee that same summer (2002). was it?
I think we gave them coco or helveg if I am not mistaken, Guly maybe, I am not sure now. we did get Pirlo, Seedorf and Simic though not all in the same year, i think these transfer happened 2 yrs back to back.
I think we still have Sarr on loan to some Serie B team... and regarding Graffiedi, I think he was sold a year or 2 before. I remember he was tipped to be great (like Saudati, Commandini, and so forth)
I think Pozzi isn't on the Napoli squard...last time i saw his name on channel 4.. he's with Trienta (something like that)
I thought there are guys called Kalembay, Piccolo, etc
Warro Bantan
07-06-2005, 11:08
I think we gave them coco or helveg if I am not mistaken, Guly maybe, I am not sure now. we did get Pirlo, Seedorf and Simic though not all in the same year, i think these transfer happened 2 yrs back to back.
Actually, I read somewhere that Milan and Inter are being investigated by some authority over the legality (should be the Italian FA?) of the transfer dealings involving the movement of those players mentioned above.
While I think this is a good thread, to properly examine what assets we do have, all it will ultimately lead to is even more speculation, as none of us have any inkling of a microbe of an idea about what Milan will or wont do with the players we currently have loaned out etc.
The difference between this thread and the "Coup" thread is that at least you are working from a factual base, ie the loaned, partially owned, pseudo owned players list...anything further to that can only be speculation...
But hey, what the...fcuk, (fashionable clothing uk)lets speculate...
Della Bonna, Kutusov and Donati wouldnt add up to $10M even if you sold them all to Chelsea...but then again, maybe they would in that case...nevertheless, its all down the drain if suddenly Berlu has a revelation, and goes out, draws $100M from his petty cash or yacht refuelling fund, and buys Ronaldhino, and Mourhino to give lessons to Carlo on motivation, and not conceding 3 goal leads in final matches.
At the risk of being labelled flippant, Kui, these fora (plural of forum, which as far as I can tell, isnt forums...or is it? :confused: ) are all about expression, and if we wish to express ourselves by wishing, or hoping that a particular player comes to Milan, then let us.
We promise to confine our wishing to other, less serious threads however. :D :u56:
At the risk of being labelled flippant, Kui, these fora (plural of forum, which as far as I can tell, isnt forums...or is it? :confused: ) are all about expression, and if we wish to express ourselves by wishing, or hoping that a particular player comes to Milan, then let us.
We promise to confine our wishing to other, less serious threads however. :D :u56:
Well Warro I dont remember you being one of concern. Wishing is one thing, but talking about something that is wishful as if it were true is another. To my knowledge and more so to your credit, you were not whom was irritating me. Fora, forums, forum , forii.... is my guess???
Thanx for your kind input in this threada :p157:
Warro Bantan
07-06-2005, 11:37
Well, I am happy I wasnt irritating you Kui, as I respect your posts, which are usually top draw....
I also admire this thread, as it does give another side of the equation...
Aww. Cho Chweet. :kiss2:
Now Both YOu Guys need to Find a Good Motel room and Shack up for awhile.
:flirt:
Warro Bantan
07-06-2005, 13:42
Now KhRis...sounds like jealousy to me...but hey, I like and admire and respect your posts too sweetie!
Now KhRis...sounds like jealousy to me...but hey, I like and admire and respect your posts too sweetie!
Hands off Kui is Mine. :broken:
but I am sure the 3 of us can work out something together. :love:
you're right. so my previous argument does not hold. i think it was pirlo, then, that was bought for that fee that same summer (2002). was it?
The transfer fee for Pirlo was 10 million € according to Milans official site.
savicevic
09-06-2005, 07:05
I think we gave them coco or helveg if I am not mistaken, Guly maybe, I am not sure now. we did get Pirlo, Seedorf and Simic though not all in the same year, i think these transfer happened 2 yrs back to back.
i think it was like this:
- we bought pirlo for 10 mln euros.
- exchanged Domoraud, Brocchi, Simic and Seedorf with Helveg, Guly, Umit Davala and Coco.
savicevic
09-06-2005, 07:09
found some old info on acquisitions/sales for the 2001-02 season. omg, how much we spent during that summer. hehe (mld = milliardi of italian lire). and we got almost nothing from sales. impressive spending spree.
JULY-AUGUST 2001
acquisitions
Contra d (Alaves) 24mld
Rui Costa m (Fiorentina) 85mld
Laursen d (Parma) 18mld
Pirlo m (Inter) 35mld
Coloccini d (San Lorenzo) f.p.
Inzaghi a (Juventus) 70mld
Donati m (Atalanta) 30mld
Javi Moreno a (Alaves) 16mld
Corrent m (Siena) f.p.
Simone a (Monaco)
Brocchi m (Inter) scambio con Guly
Kutuzov a (Bate Brasov) 4mld
Umit m (Galatasaray) 6mld
sold:
Sala d (Atalanta)
Ba c (O. Marsiglia) prestito
Brncic m (Inter) nell' affare Pirlo
Giunti c (Brescia) 8mld
Leonardo c (San Paolo) -
Bierhoff a (Monaco)
Boban c (Celta Vigo) -
Comandini a (Atalanta) 30mld
Guly c (Inter) scambio con Brocchi
Saudati a (Atalanta)
Maccarone a (Empoli) 7mld
found some old info on acquisitions/sales for the 2001-02 season. omg, how much we spent during that summer. hehe (mld = milliardi of italian lire). and we got almost nothing from sales. impressive spending spree.
JULY-AUGUST 2001
acquisitions
Contra d (Alaves) 24mld
Rui Costa m (Fiorentina) 85mld
Laursen d (Parma) 18mld
Pirlo m (Inter) 35mld
Coloccini d (San Lorenzo) f.p.
Inzaghi a (Juventus) 70mld
Donati m (Atalanta) 30mld
Javi Moreno a (Alaves) 16mld
Corrent m (Siena) f.p.
Simone a (Monaco)
Brocchi m (Inter) scambio con Guly
Kutuzov a (Bate Brasov) 4mld
Umit m (Galatasaray) 6mld
sold:
Sala d (Atalanta)
Ba c (O. Marsiglia) prestito
Brncic m (Inter) nell' affare Pirlo
Giunti c (Brescia) 8mld
Leonardo c (San Paolo) -
Bierhoff a (Monaco)
Boban c (Celta Vigo) -
Comandini a (Atalanta) 30mld
Guly c (Inter) scambio con Brocchi
Saudati a (Atalanta)
Maccarone a (Empoli) 7mld
this needs to be posted in some other threads where some idiots feel we have'nt been spending at all.
Warro Bantan
09-06-2005, 09:28
What I think many here dont realise is that Milan are not ones to boast about how much they spend on players, as some clubs (e.g. Real Madrid) are wont to do.
We are like "old money" vis a vis the nuevo riche....(sue me if I spelt it wrong)....not bragging about our wealth, but moving quietly behind the scenes, spending large sums, and not seeing the necessity to publish the numbers of our latest signing.
While we will never compete openly with Abramovitch, I do hope that we secure Gila, who I deem (As good as Crespo is now playing = brace vs Brazil last nite) an essential component for our future.
Spending lavishly is not the same as spending wisely.
zlatanov
09-06-2005, 09:40
What I think many here dont realise is that Milan are not ones to boast about how much they spend on players, as some clubs (e.g. Real Madrid) are wont to do.
We are like "old money" vis a vis the nuevo riche....(sue me if I spelt it wrong)....not bragging about our wealth, but moving quietly behind the scenes, spending large sums, and not seeing the necessity to publish the numbers of our latest signing.
While we will never compete openly with Abramovitch, I do hope that we secure Gila, who I deem (As good as Crespo is now playing = brace vs Brazil last nite) an essential component for our future.
Spending lavishly is not the same as spending wisely.
good to see there are peole who think this way.
btw, Crespo kicked some but last night; unfortunately it was Cafu's and Dida's asses that suffered the most, apart from RJ's, of course. :googly: :grinser:
apart from RJ's, of course. :googly: :grinser:
last night RJ left no doubt(if any idiot did have) why Milan got rid of him, Thank God he left. :yuck:
Warro Bantan
09-06-2005, 12:35
found some old info on acquisitions/sales for the 2001-02 season. omg, how much we spent during that summer. hehe (mld = milliardi of italian lire). and we got almost nothing from sales. impressive spending spree.
JULY-AUGUST 2001
acquisitions
Contra d (Alaves) 24mld
Rui Costa m (Fiorentina) 85mld
Laursen d (Parma) 18mld
Pirlo m (Inter) 35mld
Coloccini d (San Lorenzo) f.p.
Inzaghi a (Juventus) 70mld
Donati m (Atalanta) 30mld
Javi Moreno a (Alaves) 16mld
Corrent m (Siena) f.p.
Simone a (Monaco)
Brocchi m (Inter) scambio con Guly
Kutuzov a (Bate Brasov) 4mld
Umit m (Galatasaray) 6mld
Tell me, can I get the conversion for the lira to say pounds for July Aug 2001?
That would allow me to better understand the numbers being touted here...
zlatanov
09-06-2005, 12:52
If I am not mistaken, $1 US back then was ~ ITA 2000 lira and about ~1.5 GB pounds.
I am almost certain that Rui's official price in GB pounds was reported to be 28 mil pounds. So his price in Italian currency would be about 85 mld, as mentioned above.
i dont understand why roque jr. starts ahead of alex?? .. alex is the only really good CB brazil have despite his age
zlatanov
09-06-2005, 19:50
i dont understand why roque jr. starts ahead of alex?? .. alex is the only really good CB brazil have despite his age
I am not sure that even Pereira knows the answer to this question, actually, it is more than obvious that he doesn't.
Hands off Kui is Mine. :broken:
but I am sure the 3 of us can work out something together.:love:
Careful. :rr30: Kui be straight. :rr30:
That way is only a one way exit. No entrance please! :p231:
Otherwise we'll have us a little :musk:
or from a galaxy far far away from a long long time ago a little :swars:
But if you are of the "alternative" I am flattered.
What I think many here dont realise is that Milan are not ones to boast about how much they spend on players, as some clubs (e.g. Real Madrid) are wont to do.
We are like "old money" vis a vis the nuevo riche....(sue me if I spelt it wrong)....not bragging about our wealth, but moving quietly behind the scenes, spending large sums, and not seeing the necessity to publish the numbers of our latest signing.
While we will never compete openly with Abramovitch, I do hope that we secure Gila, who I deem (As good as Crespo is now playing = brace vs Brazil last nite) an essential component for our future.
Spending lavishly is not the same as spending wisely.
Very true. We approach the martket in a modest yet effective way. Some complain about our methods but with a 7 Scudetti and 4 CL titles and then some change, I have to say I like our approach.
We whisper what could be spoken, Nod at, what could be whispered, Smile at, what could be Nod (nad??? nodded???) Wink at, what could be smiled.
We speak softly... but carry a BIG STICK!
I wasn't sure where to put this, so i thought it could go here. I was thinking about Henrik's theory why only Cafu or Jankulovski should only play. But surely that would just limit us to attacks up one side ? Why not have both play and just say if Cafu is attacking, Marek you stay back and vice versa. I know it's a big risk to ask footballers to use their intelligence, but it could work :D
Also, why can't Jankulovski play at left-back ? It worked for Zambrotta, so why can't Marek turn out as successfully ? It could happen.
zlatanov
10-06-2005, 15:34
On what Henrik was saying - what he meant, probably, and I fully agree with that is that both Janku and Cafu are great going forward and not so stable at the back. The main plus of having a Cafu at RB or a Janku at LB is to have them going forward at the expense of the LB or the RB, respectively. You don't have much of a benefit to keep both of them on the field since their major contribution is when they attack while when they defend they are more of a liability at the back, thus with both of them on the field, the whole defence will be unballanced and we will suffer.
What you are proposing, and many others have done so too, can definitely work but only against small teams that come to the SS with the only purpose of somehow getting a 0-0 out of Milan by packing up in defence. Aganst these teams, I believe that we could afford to have two attacking backs on both sides, especially if our midfield is in good shape to provide extra cover for our weakened defence.
Of course Janku can play left back, but this would be suitable only in certain type of games. Apart from that, just because Zambrotta is successful at LB after having played LW for years, I honestly don't see why this should be true for Janku, who is a far more technical player than Zambrotta. The Juve player has always been on the physical side and this, along with his speed, is probably the main reason why he managed to convert to LB so successfully. The same cannot be said about Janku, whose major strength, apart from speed, is his technique on the ball and his ability to improvise while attacking on the wing or from midfield - physical toughness doesn't seem to play such a major role in his game, unlike for example Kaladze or Zambrotta.
sorry ... must have got it wrong again.
Maradona (10)
10-06-2005, 19:29
On what Henrik was saying - what he meant, probably, and I fully agree with that is that both Janku and Cafu are great going forward and not so stable at the back. The main plus of having a Cafu at RB or a Janku at LB is to have them going forward at the expense of the LB or the RB, respectively. You don't have much of a benefit to keep both of them on the field since their major contribution is when they attack while when they defend they are more of a liability at the back, thus with both of them on the field, the whole defence will be unballanced and we will suffer.
What you are proposing, and many others have done so too, can definitely work but only against small teams that come to the SS with the only purpose of somehow getting a 0-0 out of Milan by packing up in defence. Aganst these teams, I believe that we could afford to have two attacking backs on both sides, especially if our midfield is in good shape to provide extra cover for our weakened defence.
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To be very fast and have the lungs to run for 90 min along that touch line and not just for the first half of the game; to have great tecnique and be devastating in attack and very good defensively; but above all being able to play using your head and not just your legs
http://www.milanmania.com/forums/showpost.php?p=305355&postcount=30
:haha:
zlatanov
10-06-2005, 20:00
To be very fast and have the lungs to run for 90 min along that touch line and not just for the first half of the game; to have great tecnique and be devastating in attack and very good defensively; but above all being able to play using your head and not just your legs
http://www.milanmania.com/forums/showpost.php?p=305355&postcount=30
:haha:
I am honestly not so sure what was so funny - maybe you are implying that I am contradicting myself by calling Cafu first "very good defensively" and now "no so solid at the back". In case this is it, well, I honestly don't see anything wrong about it for "very good" and "not so solid" can and do have a very relative meaning - Cafu can be very good defensively compared to most, if not all, other ATTACKING righ backs, while if you compare him to Maldini, Nesta, Stam, Terry, Cannavaro he IS NOT SO STABLE at the back and even a LIABILITY for we could have someone like Stam there but then we won't be able to create a single sensible attack from the right. So, yeah, Cafu's presence is a liability in defence but he is also a necessity.
I see you are still hurting from the last time you tried to argue with me and ran out of steam in the middle of it.
I will say it again - "One can live next to a library and still be illiterate." Speaking of living proof ... get yourself a mirror.
Maradona (10)
10-06-2005, 21:36
I see you are still hurting from the last time you tried to argue with me and ran out of steam in the middle of it.
I will say it again - "One can live next to a library and still be illiterate." Speaking of living proof ... get yourself a mirror.
You are talking about the Gilardino thread? I still sticking to my point. If thats not the argument, tell me which one. Exile.
Update.
Braida have agreed that Sampdoria can borrow Kutusov for one more year. He is still halfowned between us.
Update.
Braida have agreed that Sampdoria can borrow Kutusov for one more year. He is still halfowned between us.
Thanks Maste kris! We still have him as an asset. Would you know til how long is he contracted or half owned by us. I'm concerned because I would rather sell him well before his out of contract date is up. No use having a car one cant drive and then end up having it go to someone for free.
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