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Warro Bantan
13-06-2005, 11:52
From:http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=283972&CPID=21&CLID=120&lid=&title=United+consider+Gattuso&channel=Italy

United consider Gattuso
by Nadia Carminati - created on 11 Jun 2005
Manchester UnitedManchester United are reported to be considering making a major move for Milan's Gennaro Gattuso.

Sir Alex Ferguson has been interested in Gattuso before, while the player himself has spoken of his admiration for United.

However, the Italy international has a contract at San Siro until 2009 and Carlo Ancelotti sees him as a key member of his squad for next season.

Milan have claimed that Gattuso will not be going anywhere, but United are thought to be weighing up a big money bid for the former Rangers man.

Reports in Italy have suggested that United's move is emanating from new owner Malcolm Glazer, who wants to try and ease his relationship with the club's fans by sanctioning a big-name signing

big name signing...good to see that Man U considers a player many here think is a weak link (at least in our attack, and you can put my name on that list as well) to be a big name signing!!!

While I regard Rino as one of our key players, his tendancy to nullify our attacks makes him, for me, IMO, a bench player, to come into the game once we are winning....Ambro is a better starter, as he contributes more in the attack.

Lets see how this develops....my money is on us to reject this offer...but u never know....a "big money offer" of $20M or so...may sway the Milan suits to part company with our Italian stallion!

rae
13-06-2005, 11:58
As a fan of Rino I wish to stay him at San Siro... ;)

it is a real gossip IMO :rollani:

Warro Bantan
13-06-2005, 12:00
well, rae..this is gossip of the highest order!!! What else is there to read about re football nowadays anyway? :D

KhRiS
13-06-2005, 12:01
=Warro a "big money offer" of $20M or so...may sway the Milan suits to part company with our Italian stallion!

I would accept this offer as it would suit all 3 parties, Gattuso on many occasions has said he wants to play for ManU, Fergie will be happy with the signing he may feel that Gattuso is a long replacement for Keane and Milan will obviously get good money for him it and will be astute business for us. :sagrin:

To be honest I don't see Manu spending $20 million on a single player, they no longer have that sort of spending power. ;)

Christopher
13-06-2005, 12:27
If an offer of 20 mill is made, hopefully it will take less then five seconds for a call to Gattuso and tell him he will be wearing a different shade of red next season . . . very good defensive player, not so much a good offensive player, Milan needs better from his position.

Stezagud
13-06-2005, 13:05
...good to see that Man U considers a player many here think is a weak link (at least in our attack, and you can put my name on that list as well) to be a big name signing!!!

He's considered a big name signing because of the potential price tag and his status as an Italian international and Milan regular. I dont think there is much to the story as its based on those Gattuso rumours that surfaced in February, he said he was misquoted and knowing the British press i believe him.

If it did happen though i agree with Khris, it certainly would be good for Utd and Gattuso himself, and probably for Milan too. Gattuso gets to sample British football again and Utd get an energetic defensive midfielder (yes Gattuso cant create, but Utd dont need that, we just need someone to sit back whilst the rest create :) )

As for Milan, well they would certainly get a big cheque :D
That isnt always a good thing because the risk is that they cant replace Gattuso with the money, i dont think that would be the case though as there are plenty of midfield options already and with Janku and Vogel joining its getting a bit crowded.....

To be honest I don't Manu spending $20 million on a single player, they no longer have that sort of spending power

From Glazers plans it seems the annual limit will be £25m. VD Sar and Park will cost roughly £5-6m together which leaves plenty for a big midfield signing.....

We had scouts in Argentina to watch Mascherano and im quite sure our summer shopping wont end with Park (assuming we get him ;) )

Jim_UK
13-06-2005, 13:15
I can understand why some people would want to replace Gattuso, as we all know he's not a creator and doesn't have the best ability on the ball. However, if this is the case, why do we play him in a position where he is needed to create ? As his ball winning skills and destructive abilities are his strongest assets, why isn't he put in position where all he has to do are these things ? It would make more sense. If you want to get the best out of him, put him where he can play his natural game.

I'm pretty sure Mascherano is close to signing for Corinthians, that's what i read today at least.

mk18
13-06-2005, 13:26
agree with jim, eventhough ive been pissed off at the lack of determination rino has shown this last season hes still a key player for us, say we sell him... who do we play in his place instead??? ...other players may create more but his ability to breakdown plays is far better than anyone on earth and this is needed to balance our team... we really play a very risky formation which is deadly if it works but when key players such as seedorf, gattuso and pirlo are taken off it can become a wreck. u take out gattuso to put a more attack minded player say gerrard for example then u lose more defensivly and we all know milan really suffered this season in not closing down on space given to shoot for the opposition, this is why gattuso is needed ... i say get him to find his determination back and tell glazer to go sit on a bottle of pepsi instead

Warro Bantan
13-06-2005, 13:38
I can understand why some people would want to replace Gattuso, as we all know he's not a creator and doesn't have the best ability on the ball. However, if this is the case, why do we play him in a position where he is needed to create ? As his ball winning skills and destructive abilities are his strongest assets, why isn't he put in position where all he has to do are these things ? It would make more sense. If you want to get the best out of him, put him where he can play his natural game.


No problem with your viewpoint on this Jim, but really, based on the formation that Carlo plays, Pirlo has the position to which you refer, from a static, on paper perspective.

Based on my observations of Milan´s play, in attack mode, Pirlo gets the ball, and distributes, and as he advances the "flanking" midfielders either advance as well, or one will drop behind to cover for Pirlo.

Invairably however, based on which side of the pitch the ball is being advanced, Gattuso gets possession in the offensive third, and due to his weakness in terms of passing and being able to beat an opponent in a one on one situation, he loses possession.

That he tracks back and usually regains the ball, is not the point here....we need to have a player who is as comfortable winning the ball as he is in passing it off, or playing as part of the attack.

Warro Bantan
13-06-2005, 13:47
From:http://www.worldsoccer.com/news/latest_transfer_speculation_news_64863.html

Elsewhhere, Milan midfielder Gattuso has been quoted as saying it would be his dream to play in the Premiership, picking Manchester United over Chelsea due to their history and prestige. However Milan have dismissed these rumours as an attempt by new United owner Malcolm Glazer to win over disgruntled fans with a big name signing.

Cant say I dont give both perspectives, and quote from "good" sources...:D...

What chances Glaizer drinks from the mouth of the Pepsi bottle he sits on...? Odds anyone?

Stezagud
13-06-2005, 14:22
I'm pretty sure Mascherano is close to signing for Corinthians, that's what i read today at least.

quite probably. Its not so much that i expect him to sign for Utd, im just encouraged that we had the scouts there watching him because it indicates that Fergie is actively seeking to strengthen central midfield. If the press figure this out they may stop linking us with strikers :D


What chances Glaizer drinks from the mouth of the Pepsi bottle he sits on...? Odds anyone?

:D

Dr Milano
13-06-2005, 14:25
From:http://skysports.planetfootball.com/list.asp?hlid=283972&CPID=21&CLID=120&lid=&title=United+consider+Gattuso&channel=Italy



...good to see that Man U considers a player many here think is a weak link (at least in our attack, and you can put my name on that list as well) to be a big name signing!!!

While I regard Rino as one of our key players, his tendancy to nullify our attacks makes him, for me, IMO, a bench player, to come into the game once we are winning....Ambro is a better starter, as he contributes more in the attack.

Lets see how this develops....my money is on us to reject this offer...but u never know....a "big money offer" of $20M or so...may sway the Milan suits to part company with our Italian stallion!
i want him gone he aint too good he tryies but who gave them penalty liverpool y y gattuso thier much more better rms than him pirlos better anyway and hes defencive

Mehdi
13-06-2005, 16:12
If we can get Ballack as his replacement or do a cash + player exchange (O'Shea) that would be great.

rae
13-06-2005, 16:19
If we can get Ballack as his replacement or do a cash + player exchange (O'Shea) that would be great.:grinser: it just speculations... silly and irritating gossips... total rubbish... I hate to hear such kind of information... it makes me mad :d55:

even though I support MUFC, I do not want any of Milan players come to Old Trafford... just it ;)

Laudrup
13-06-2005, 16:20
Ringhio is the best at what he does and would be very difficult to replace.

He's the kind of player you shouldn't let go of, imho.

Jim_UK
13-06-2005, 16:59
I think you can give him more credit than that Dr Milano !

I can't believe how many people would consider selling him, he's a vital part of our team. If it wasn't for him, we probably wouldn't have won the league 2 seasons ago !! In most games he practically drove our team onwards, you can't forget things like that.

You need at least one player who is capable of disrubting the opposition, he is that player.

20 million euros for Brocchi ?? Now that would be ok :D

zlatanov
13-06-2005, 17:08
I think you can give him more credit than that Dr Milano !

I can't believe how many people would consider selling him, he's a vital part of our team. If it wasn't for him, we probably wouldn't have won the league 2 seasons ago !! In most games he practically drove our team onwards, you can't forget things like that.

You need at least one player who is capable of disrubting the opposition, he is that player.

20 million euros for Brocchi ?? Now that would be ok :D
agree.
Unfortunately people tend to forget very quickly.
I can't say that I am in awe of Gattuso's passing abilities but his hunger to hunt down the opposition is something the team would sorely miss if he was to leave. I personally wouldn't mind other players to be given a chance more often but he is definitely vital for this diamond formation.

KhRiS
13-06-2005, 17:21
We had scouts in Argentina to watch Mascherano and im quite sure our summer shopping wont end with Park (assuming we get him ;) )
I am sure Mascherano will cost more than, he is now owned by IMG, the same Img that brought Tevez to Corinthians. :clap:

Maradona (10)
13-06-2005, 17:23
Mascherano already belongs to Corinthians-----Chelsea

zlatanov
13-06-2005, 17:31
the latest, brand new investment of the Russian Mafia, oops sory - IMG. RIP, Mascherano.

KhRiS
13-06-2005, 17:35
anything Manu seems to belong to Chel$ea nowadays. ;)

Jim_UK
13-06-2005, 17:36
The more you look at it, the more it seems to me that maybe a slight change in formation is needed. Many have suggested this system before, Dev being one. But i think a 4-2-3-1 formation could be implemented.

The usual 4 man defence. 2 holding/defensive players ... Gattuso and Pirlo. This would suit Gattuso more i think, he can cover for other players, be a force around the midfield and doesn't have to worry about starting many attacks as Pirlo will be next to him. The only major difference for Pirlo is that sometimes he might not be completely central, but i don't think that's a great problem. The next 3, well i would pick Jankulovski-Shevchenko-Kaka. I admit that it could be a little limiting, but these players are so good that they can surely drift and inter-change when they need to. Which lastly leaves a target man, which i think should be Gilardino (should we get him).

It's a possibility at least. I think that formation and line up would give us more width and more stability, for which Gattuso is an integral part.

KhRiS
13-06-2005, 17:53
The more you look at it, the more it seems to me that maybe a slight change in formation is needed. Many have suggested this system before, Dev being one. But i think a 4-2-3-1 formation could be implemented.

This what we are using at our Club over here, sometimes it just becomes to defensive, obviously we don't have a single player with quality Milan has. :fart:

arpanmilan
13-06-2005, 23:55
carlo shouldnt leave gattuso since he is the key member of our team. Many clubs envy us for having a player like gattuso. he symbolises the fighting spirit of milan. He is working on his passing skills & definately he'll improve in attacking. He's still young (age 26). He has still 3 years to improve.

kris
14-06-2005, 02:01
Gattuso is not so much needed against the Cagliaris and Chievos of the world. But he is one of the most vital in when we meet the Real Madrids and Juventus of the world, then his prescence is felt. It could be said he is mediocre as a player, but on the field he is at least as two mediocre players. He makes it looks like we have one more player on the field and that is his strenght.

Oh and I think he is second best at what he does, Makelele is the best IMO. And Makelele should have more credit in the succes of Chelsea than he gets.

zlatanov
14-06-2005, 06:27
Gattuso is not so much needed against the Cagliaris and Chievos of the world. But he is one of the most vital in when we meet the Real Madrids and Juventus of the world, then his prescence is felt. It could be said he is mediocre as a player, but on the field he is at least as two mediocre players. He makes it looks like we have one more player on the field and that is his strenght.

Oh and I think he is second best at what he does, Makelele is the best IMO. And Makelele should have more credit in the succes of Chelsea than he gets.
very true, IMO.

Hitman
14-06-2005, 07:01
Do not worry, Gattuso will not leave... He is indeed a vital part when we have offensive players like Pirlo, Seedorf, Kaka, Shevchanko, Crespo and so on... His technique has also improved a lot in the last couple of years - Milan would not be the same without him!!

Arildonardo
14-06-2005, 08:14
Hands off Gattuso! He's the only aggressive player in our midfield and we need him desperately. The reason we lost the Champions League final is that our players weren't aggressive and "fired up" enough, so we can't sell our "only" fighter! I'd say we need more players like him, players who play with their heart outside their shirt! :diablo:

Christopher
14-06-2005, 08:50
Gattuso is not so much needed against the Cagliaris and Chievos of the world. But he is one of the most vital in when we meet the Real Madrids and Juventus of the world, then his prescence is felt. It could be said he is mediocre as a player, but on the field he is at least as two mediocre players. He makes it looks like we have one more player on the field and that is his strenght.

Oh and I think he is second best at what he does, Makelele is the best IMO. And Makelele should have more credit in the succes of Chelsea than he gets.

Woah I would say Camoranesi is at least on par with or better then Gattuso, granted he is a little more offensive, however he is also a thorn in every teams side. . .and I hate Juventus.

mk18
14-06-2005, 09:12
camoranesi isnt a DM... hes a RW, gattuso is not winger hes a DM playing on the right a RDM... but hes under the defensive midfielder category

sam_3
14-06-2005, 10:30
I don't think milan will sell their future captain.

Christopher
14-06-2005, 11:17
camoranesi isnt a DM... hes a RW, gattuso is not winger hes a DM playing on the right a RDM... but hes under the defensive midfielder category

true however camoranesi also wins a lot of balls and plays a decent defence when he has to.

mk18
14-06-2005, 12:11
but if were to let go of gattuso them i cant get camoranesi instead, it would unbalance the team, i dont think camoranesi would look that good if emerson was replaced by a similar player to pirlo

Christopher
14-06-2005, 15:07
but if were to let go of gattuso them i cant get camoranesi instead, it would unbalance the team, i dont think camoranesi would look that good if emerson was replaced by a similar player to pirlo

that might be true . . . he also has nedved on the other side, but who knows?

kris
14-06-2005, 17:28
Woah I would say Camoranesi is at least on par with or better then Gattuso, granted he is a little more offensive, however he is also a thorn in every teams side. . .and I hate Juventus.

Camoranesi? If you want to compare with a Juve player, use Emerson. If you want to compare Camoranesi with someone, use Serginho. If you want to talk about Camoranesis defensive skills then use derogatory terms.

rock
12-07-2005, 07:56
Is it true that man utd are interested in signing gatusso

m1ke
12-07-2005, 08:03
Is it true that man utd are interested in signing gatusso
Hi rock,

This is a fairly old rumour. Gattuso has expressed his desire to play at Manchester United at some point in his career, and with Keane struggling to keep up with the full match calender, rumours were rife.

I personally don't see him leaving for another 2 or 3 seasons.

hitmannq8
12-07-2005, 08:06
Very old rumour, and no Gattuso will not love Milan, although I would like to see him pushed into the bench and getting Ballack in his position.. But I still admire Gattuso

KhRiS
12-07-2005, 08:38
I think there is a thread already discussing this rumour. :smileani:

Chris
12-07-2005, 09:23
Wasn't there a thread created last week, with the very same question? (and later merged, probably...)

Warro Bantan
12-07-2005, 09:37
Wasn't there a thread created last week, with the very same question? (and later merged, probably...)

Now you KNOW that "Henrik the merger" has done so...if he hasnt, expect a major snowstorm in Cairo at any moment... :eekani:

rock
12-07-2005, 15:36
Wasn't there a thread created last week, with the very same question? (and later merged, probably...)

So where is that thread

KhRiS
12-07-2005, 19:10
So where is that thread

Here you go Rookie. :hihihi:

http://www.milanmania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18483

mrki
13-07-2005, 12:49
Rino will stay in milan! He is our future captain and a player that everyone likes here in milanello. End of story

Dr Milano
13-07-2005, 13:00
As a fan of Rino I wish to stay him at San Siro... ;)

it is a real gossip IMO :rollani:
AS a milan fan i want him gone guys we need a better winger c.ronaldo is good choice or someone else i dont like gattuso as he fouls quite a lot

Chris
13-07-2005, 14:15
Since when did we play with wingers? :rolleyes:

Styles
13-07-2005, 15:46
I prefer Ballack

zlatanov
13-07-2005, 16:05
I prefer Ballack
and I am sure, if he decides to leave Bayern, he would prefer us over those underachieving dorky loosers from ManU or Real. :5ok: :devf:

KhRiS
13-07-2005, 16:31
he would prefer us over those underachieving dorky loosers from ManU or Real. :5ok: :devf:

Amen. :w221:

Warro Bantan
13-07-2005, 17:55
IMO, Ballack is going nowhere...unfortunately...

freddydaddy7
14-07-2005, 01:24
Maybe u never know he has been in Byern for so long he is sick of winning the german buda league every year and he wants to look out side as did Klisnman and Mathues coz they knew how to show how good they were when they playe in Italy and he should be doin the same

rock
29-08-2005, 12:55
Did anybody heard that gatusso is of to man utd,so thats why he was on the bench,so is there any truth in the news

rock
29-08-2005, 14:24
wat do u guys about gattuso linked with manchester united

Stezagud
29-08-2005, 14:34
The transfer window closes in 2 days time so i doubt anything that major would happen now.....

Nadir
29-08-2005, 14:57
source?

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The Canadian
29-08-2005, 19:04
Let them have Gattuso, he is useless and worthless and over-rated! He is by far my least favourite Milan player...

Oh man if we ever get Ballack! that would be dream come true!

SANT
29-08-2005, 19:15
Canadian,

Gattuso over Ballack : 10 to 1

Not that he's a better player considering skills... but he's our Ringhio.

Milan3869
29-08-2005, 21:38
yeah canadian what are you thinking about?!?
gattuso over ballack 10:1....lol

we really need gattuso in the midfield....period!!

Milan4eva
12-09-2005, 02:08
Nice ratio there. Pirlo to Ballack in every aspect of football 10:1. Pirlo to Gattuso in a defensive aspect: 1:10. Go figure out...

Il capitano
12-09-2005, 05:15
If gattuso wanna leave let him. We have a very good replacement for him in the squad(ambrosini). Future captain don't make me laugh.

Dr Milano
12-09-2005, 05:24
Let them have Gattuso, he is useless and worthless and over-rated! He is by far my least favourite Milan player...

Oh man if we ever get Ballack! that would be dream come true!
i agree mate some others dont but i do i gattuso is crap i just agree that he is over rated worthless ambro should be in the team

kris
12-09-2005, 08:34
Let them have Gattuso, he is useless and worthless and over-rated! He is by far my least favourite Milan player...

Oh man if we ever get Ballack! that would be dream come true!

I see fairness and moderate opinions still rule the world. He is far from useless and he was a great assest in the past, now though he hasn't been as good. He is usually better against better opponents as then his strenghts come into play, not against Siena that doesn't have play of their own.

Ballack would be really nice, we will see next summer where he will end up.

rock
28-11-2005, 12:00
As he is strongly linked with a move to man utd at the end of the season

zlatanov
28-11-2005, 12:10
strongly linked? where did you read that, apart from some dubious article in an even more suspicious Brittish tabloid?

rock
28-11-2005, 13:50
Gattuso is strongly linked with man utd,so is there any chance gattuso could move to man utd

RIO
28-11-2005, 14:22
I know we have a lot of new members, and that things must be reiterated from time to time just so they sink in, but, when you ask a question about a transfer please try to have some documentation (ie. a link to something published somewhere) included in said question. For example,
"I have been reading on several websites, including baselessfootballrumours.com and iftheyain'tlinkedtochelseathey'lldamnwellbelinkedtomanucoswhoisn'treally.org, that Rino is going to be leaving us at the winter break. Should I take this seriously or should I consider the source? I really want to know?"

If people know where you have been hearing these rumours and what the wording of said rumours are, it makes it a lot easy to decide upon the legitamacy of the rumours in question. Unless you include this information and the sources are judged to be legit (rather than some tabloid needing to fill several pages of print per day on a day when the Beckhams haven't gone to a nightclub or Wayne Rooney hasn't punched somebody), I would agree with Zlatanov and say "consider the source" and "caveat lector".
I have yet to read this rumour in a source I consider any better than toilet paper, so you can probably sleep easy. Not to say it couldn't happen, but it seems rather unlikely.

rock
28-11-2005, 20:13
Manchester United - Major deal -Two names in frame?


28 Nov 2005 17:44


Sir Alex Ferguson has indicated that Manchester United will make one major signing next year, speculation suggests it could be either Gennaro Gattuso or Mahamadou Diarra.

After ruling out a winter move for Bayern Munich midfielder Michael Ballack, Ferguson has revealed he expects one major signing next summer.

"We will probably just add a couple of players to bulk up the numbers in January, the one we really want to sign will only be available in the summer," said Ferguson.

The two names in the frame tipped to make the move to Old Trafford are Gennaro Gattuso from AC Milan and Lyon's highly rated midfielder Mahamadou Diarra.

zlatanov
28-11-2005, 22:46
Going to ManU would be a step back in his career for Gattuso. I just hope that Diarra doesn't go to ManU for Milan would be the perfect place for him.
ManU needs a major overhaul, starting with the manager and getting Gattuso or Diarra is not gonna solve anything, just waste time for the club and lead to another year without major trophy.

GilAttack [11]
28-11-2005, 23:46
I disagree. I think both, Diarra and Gattuso, would be great additions to ManU. Hopefully, Gennaro stays here. And Diarra is a good player but Im not crazy about him.

zlatanov
28-11-2005, 23:53
']I disagree. I think both, Diarra and Gattuso, would be great additions to ManU. Hopefully, Gennaro stays here. And Diarra is a good player but Im not crazy about him.
I am not saying they won't be good additions to ManU, I am saying that going to ManU NOW won't be good for them - they can do better that. My point is that adding a player or two won't solve ManU's problems for they need much deeper changes to take place in order to become competitive in EPL and Europe again.

rock
28-11-2005, 23:55
Going to ManU would be a step back in his career for Gattuso. I just hope that Diarra doesn't go to ManU for Milan would be the perfect place for him.
ManU needs a major overhaul, starting with the manager and getting Gattuso or Diarra is not gonna solve anything, just waste time for the club and lead to another year without major trophy.

You are totally wrong,man utd just need 1 or 2 midfielders which man utd will certainly buy in the summer

zlatanov
29-11-2005, 00:29
You are totally wrong,man utd just need 1 or 2 midfielders which man utd will certainly buy in the summer
That's exactly what I meant - getting a couple of players only creats a false sense of "we are the best again" attitude and this will only waste more and more time.

rock
29-11-2005, 00:38
Can u tell me what more they need,they have one of the best strike force in the world,they have a strong defence,this season there were long term injuries to heinze and gary neville thats why their defence is not strong this season,there problem lies in the midfield and if they can solve their problem then man utd will be a force to reckon,they have park and ronaldo,both are fantastic players but they need someone like diarra or gattuso to stabilise the midfield

zlatanov
29-11-2005, 00:56
you need midfielders (apart from Ronaldo, Park, Scoles you don't have players who could change the outcome of a game ... Giggs is more or less a retiree), defenders (apart from Ferdinand and Heinze, your defence sucks; Neville is part of the past now), and forwards (except for Rooney and an out of shape Nistelrooy, who could be well on his way out of OT, all the rest are just filling in the numbers.
One other thing, for a team to be dominant in modern football, that team needs two not one high quality player for every position, otherwise you have no chance to match Chelski in EPL or the big European powerhouses in the CL.
Before everything else, however, ManU needs to cut the ties with the past i.e. SAF and find a new manager with new phylosophy and new, fresh carisma to "entice" club and players - you know, when one thing has been around for a long time, it tends to lose its charm.

rock
29-11-2005, 01:49
Gary neville is still the best right back in the premiership,if ruud is out of shape but he is still the leading goal scorer in the premierhsip this season with lampard,fergie is creating another great team,and if man utd solve the midfield problem then they will be back to their best in europe,and the chelsea thing,even milan or any other club in the world cant compete with chelsea in the transfer market

mk18
29-11-2005, 02:29
yeah but chelsea doesnt always compete with us on players we want... however we did beat them to gila!

tardissun
29-11-2005, 02:50
Although I think Gattuso can be a strong player, I soured on him earlier when I read a report last year saying he was interested in ManU. He's not a Milan legend like Maldini or Sheva, which would terrify me if they asked for a transfer.

In any case, I don't mind him going as long as Milan has a good replacement in mind. Preferably a top talent with known qualities and big game experience.

Overall, I still think Milan's focus needs to be solely on defense. Signing at least 1 good (young!!) talented defender, preferably 2. No offense to Stam or Cafu, who are excellent, but I'm tired of seeing 33 yr+ defenders get shuffled in and out every few years or having a 40yr old Costacurta (again, great player, but well beyond his prime) on the team.

Stezagud
29-11-2005, 11:13
you need midfielders (apart from Ronaldo, Park, Scoles you don't have players who could change the outcome of a game ... Giggs is more or less a retiree

Rooney's role means he is the main creator, Ronaldo Park and Scholes are ample back up but the problem is they are too worried about covering the defence (particularly Scholes) and aren't gettign the opportunties to join in the attacks. Ronaldo and Park rarely play at the same time for the same reason, a genuine defensive midfielder capable of replacing Keane would unleash them, its just a case of getting the right player and Gattuso is one of the few who could do it.

defenders (apart from Ferdinand and Heinze, your defence sucks; Neville is part of the past now)

Neville is still class, he has been injured since August but in his brief comeback against West Ham he showed why he is so valuable. Heinze is out all season and Brown only just came back too, but when all the defenders are available the defence is very strong, second only to a record breaking Chelsea defence last year. Remember Utd have not just missed both first choice full backs, but both second choices too (Brown and Fortune) most teams would have a few defensive problems when stripped of their top 4 full backs......

and forwards (except for Rooney and an out of shape Nistelrooy, who could be well on his way out of OT, all the rest are just filling in the numbers.

Rooney is absolute class :cool: and Ruud has scored 10 in 12 this year, which isnt too bad if he's out of shape ;) As for Saha and Smith, Saha has been injured and only came back last week, Smith has been converted to midfield and after a steady start is growing into the role, he even got MotM against Chelsea. He isnt the long term option (which is why Fergie is buying next summer) but he will do for now.

All in all, the team is not far off, a couple of midfielders need replacing due to age but the same could be said about Milans defence. The biggest problem has always been replacing Keane, if they get the right player then Utd will be back on track, though as you point out, Chelsea have 2 world class players for every role and it would be hard for any team to challenge that consistently.

Before everything else, however, ManU needs to cut the ties with the past i.e. SAF and find a new manager with new phylosophy and new, fresh carisma to "entice" club and players - you know, when one thing has been around for a long time, it tends to lose its charm.

Fergie wont last for much longer, 2 or 3 years probably. He is sticking around to see the next generation through, the new side will be built around Rooney (and Ronaldo, Rossi etc) and he wants to leave his successor with a solid side, not a transitional one.

K77SH C
29-11-2005, 11:59
Scholes is past it. A little like Rui was when we got Kaka, but not as good. Silvestre is an awful defender and Rio needs a real partner. Keano obviously must be replaced, never understood why UTD never bought Scott Parker. The guy is Roy Keane born again. Anyway, if United made the three right buys in these 3 positions, I see them as good as anyone.

Stezagud
29-11-2005, 12:11
Scholes is just out of position, he doesnt look confident flying into the box to get on the end of things anymore because he knows if it goes wrong, instead of Keane being there to mop up he is relying on Fletcher and Smith, neither of whom are proven in the role. I think if Utd got a player who Scholes knew would just sit back and let the others attack then he would be a lot more like he used to be, i mean, its not like his game was ever based on blistering pace or anything :) it has always been about his awareness, and at the moment he is too aware of the weaknesses behind him.

I agree about Mickey to an extent, he relies on Rio to get him out of trouble and a lot of the criticism Rio got earlier in the season was actually the fault of either Silvestre or the makeshift fullbacks playing alongside him. Silvestre is a decent defender against weaker opponents but he gets bullied by strong players, fortunately not many forwards of the type that most trouble him play outside the Premiership, though i think Luca Toni would give him nightmares :) I wouldnt mind either of Spurs centre backs to replace him though.......

Parker would have been a great addition too, Bouba Diop is probably the only other player who could do the role for Utd and is both in England and attainable....As Fergie said his target is cup-tied for the CL though i think he must have ruled them both out. Gattuso and Diarra seem to be the most likely targets, though i have a horrible feeling it could be Owen Hargreaves :eek:

rock
29-11-2005, 12:24
It wont be owen hargreaves as fergie has said that the cup tied player will be a big name player

As for partnering rio there is brown(and there are many qualiy defender coming through the ranks)

The only problem is in midfield and the problem willl be solved in the summer

Stezagud
29-11-2005, 13:34
Yeah, i like Brown at Centre Back, but his weakness is that he gets injured so often and its crucial to get a partnership going with the Centre Backs, with Brown being so stop-start that doesnt really happen. Pique is coming through and could be the long term solution but i dont think he'll be ready for a few years. I just wish we had made a move for Dawson when he was at Forrest, everyone knew he was class and Forrest were so broke they had to take the money Spurs offered, about £2m i think :cool:

K77SH C
29-11-2005, 14:01
Owen who-Apart from the fact that he plays for Bayern, he has no qualities as a top class player. Scholes asnt done it for a long time noe no matter who is behind him, including Keane. Frankly, Id rather have Danny Murphy in my team.

Ledly King and Rio would be one hell of a partnership though. Emre and Parker could form a really good one to, both are two players I cant believe UTD didnt go after.

slicknick
30-11-2005, 01:53
Owen who-Apart from the fact that he plays for Bayern, he has no qualities as a top class player. Scholes asnt done it for a long time noe no matter who is behind him, including Keane. Frankly, Id rather have Danny Murphy in my team.

Ledly King and Rio would be one hell of a partnership though. Emre and Parker could form a really good one to, both are two players I cant believe UTD didnt go after.

King and Rio? Sounds like quite a formidable defensive duo..Btw are Man Utd interested in signing Emre?

K77SH C
30-11-2005, 03:20
As far as Iknow they never were. They should have been though, most Milan fans would have welcomed him.

Stezagud
30-11-2005, 11:26
I remember suggesting Emre on a Utd site and none of them could believe he was available for so little, then a few weeks later he signed for Newcastle for about £4m :mad:

I'd love to see King join but Spurs demanded £20m from Chelsea when they went for him (they settled for Carvalho instead) and they would probably want the same from Utd.....the Dawson situation really annoys me though, he was a regular for the U-21s and playing for a bankrupt club.......Spurs really got a bargain there and would probably ask for about £10m now.

rock
30-11-2005, 11:41
Man utd dont need dawson or any another centre defender,man utd need a gattuso or diarra type player

tardissun
30-11-2005, 16:51
I agree with you on Scott Parker. Good DM now, will likely be great down the road in a few years. I think he has a lot of upside, with the right opporunities.

mk18
30-11-2005, 18:35
can we move this to the manchester united official thread?

zlatanov
07-12-2005, 19:27
I don't wanna rub salt in the wound but do you guys still beleive that ManU needs just a player or two to be back at the top of England and Europe? If so, well, good luck 'cause ManU is gonna need every single bit of it.

GilAttack [11]
07-12-2005, 19:34
I don't wanna rub salt in the wound but do you guys still beleive that ManU needs just a player or two to be back at the top of England and Europe? If so, well, good luck 'cause ManU is gonna need every single bit of it.


Maybe not 1 or 2, but not 6. With Diarra and Gattuso they would be much much improved. They have nice players, not a very good team.

zlatanov
07-12-2005, 21:23
']Maybe not 1 or 2, but not 6. With Diarra and Gattuso they would be much much improved. They have nice players, not a very good team.
agree, they need more than just 6 new players - in general, it's not a good idea to keep all and the same players for a long time at the same club for they tend to lose motivation and enthusiasm, especially when they haven't been brought up with the ManU idea.
I think they need a number of fresh faces and departures but before that a new manager is a must, IMO. Time will tell, I guess.

K77SH C
07-12-2005, 21:33
Come on guys, if Milan had been kicked out of Europe no body would say lets totally change the team.

Players that should be kept in the first eleven are:

------------------Van der Saar------------------------
Neville-----Ferdinand-----????????--------Heinze-------

Ronaldo----?????????-----????????-------Giggs(or Paak)

---------------Rooney-----RVN-----------------------

The three right players would make a huge difference.

zlatanov
07-12-2005, 21:41
Come on guys, if Milan had been kicked out of Europe no body would say lets totally change the team.

Players that should be kept in the first eleven are:

------------------Van der Saar------------------------
Neville-----Ferdinand-----????????--------Heinze-------

Ronaldo----?????????-----????????-------Giggs(or Paak)

---------------Rooney-----RVN-----------------------

The three right players would make a huge difference.

A team to be successful these days needs two almost equally good players in every position, especially in midfield and attack. ManU doesn't have the long bench that is necessary to keep them competitive both in England and Europe at the same time. But again, IMO their main problem for the past 2 years seems to be the lack of fresh tactical ideas, lack of enthusiasm in the players, i.e. things that won't be taken care of even if ManU gets 10 new players but SAF stays - some day he just has to leave and I think that time is overdue.

zlatanov
07-12-2005, 21:45
Come on guys, if Milan had been kicked out of Europe no body would say lets totally change the team.

Players that should be kept in the first eleven are:

------------------Van der Saar------------------------
Neville-----Ferdinand-----????????--------Heinze-------

Ronaldo----?????????-----????????-------Giggs(or Paak)

---------------Rooney-----RVN-----------------------

The three right players would make a huge difference.

One other thing - do you remember the team that won that famous treble in 1999? It comprised of players who have come through the youth system at ManU i.e. players that cherished the ManU idea and they showed it in their enthusiasm on the field, actually that's the one thing that helped to that CL title.
This team above is void of exactly that as only two veterans - Giggs and Neville, whose contribution next year would be very, very questionable, have it in them.

K77SH C
07-12-2005, 22:01
The difference between then and now is Chelsea. The days where teams could develop young talent who figh for the club have gone. Neville has a couple of years left easily and Paak will take Giggs's place. You forgot Scholes, but he isnt worth remembering

zlatanov
07-12-2005, 22:16
The difference between then and now is Chelsea. The days where teams could develop young talent who figh for the club have gone. Neville has a couple of years left easily and Paak will take Giggs's place. You forgot Scholes, but he isnt worth remembering
Looking for excuses for your own mistakes in the face of others is a sign of weekness. If ManU sees Chelski as the reason for their own mishaps, they would have lost the battle before it has even begun.
Chelski can only have 2 top players for each position on the field, that still leaves a lot of "food" for the ManU transfer gurus and managers to munch on. Plus, Chelski is primarily focused on attracting established players and although a number of youngsters might get swayed by their money, many, many others would prefer the legend and prestige of ManU, something money can't buy you.
One other thing too, money buys you players but not a team i.e. Chelski, though a solid opponent, are far from unbeatable. ManU's main problem isn't beating or losing to Chelski in direct battles but losing scores of points in matches with other far less impressive opponents, exactly the type of games where titles are won and lost. ManU should come to the level of solving this problem first, and only then think of beating Chelski in direct games, at least that's my view on these matters.

K77SH C
07-12-2005, 22:28
By referring to Chelsea, I meant that the competition is beter now so
united have to buy proven players rather than groom younger ones.

zlatanov
07-12-2005, 22:36
By referring to Chelsea, I meant that the competition is beter now so
united have to buy proven players rather than groom younger ones.
OK, I see your point but one shouldn't be niglected because of the other. And a team ofthe stature of ManU should always go for the best of the best only, regardless of Chelski because there are a number of other European teams doing the same to stay at the top. So if ManU wants to stay at the top, they will have to follow suit and Chelski isn't the reason for that, they are just one additional player in the already existing race for the big money and titles.
Still, ManU should first take care of losing points to smaller teams in the EPL, and that CHelski has little to do with.

Stezagud
08-12-2005, 08:53
Come on guys, if Milan had been kicked out of Europe no body would say lets totally change the team....................

The three right players would make a huge difference.


This is the most sensible post on this, Schalke were 1 goal from putting Milan out, Utd were 1 (heavily deflected) goal from going through, narrow margins that dont require such drastic solutions. I did feel 1 player would be sufficient but now id say 2 as Mickey Silvestre is looking increasingly shaky. Wes Brown is a fine replacement and already at the club but unfortunately his injury problems make him unreliable, so a new partner for Rio is probably required.

A world class replacement for Keane is the key to fixing things is the main buy needed though. Scholes is still excellent on the ball and his brain is still sharp, his problem is having to do so much work to cover for everyone else around him. Smith tries but doesnt know the role, Giggs and Ronaldo dont defend and in Ronaldo's case are so totally unpredictable on the ball that Scholes has to hold back just in case he tries to take on 10 players :mad: Ronaldo was Utds weakest player yesterday by some distance but i wonder how many of the "replace 6 players" lobby have him in mind? O Shea is also a liability but he is 3rd choice and only playing because Heinze and Fortune are injured, Ronaldo has no such excuse.

One other thing - do you remember the team that won that famous treble in 1999? It comprised of players who have come through the youth system at ManU i.e. players that cherished the ManU idea and they showed it in their enthusiasm on the field, actually that's the one thing that helped to that CL title.
This team above is void of exactly that as only two veterans - Giggs and Neville, whose contribution next year would be very, very questionable, have it in them.

the main thing for that side was the players were all at their peaks. the ley players were all experienced whereas now Utds key players are both 20 year olds. Ronaldo and Rooney are still basically kids, when things go wrong they turn into individuals, in Rooney's case he drops into midfield and tries to orchestrate things from there but it leaves Ruud very isolated, in Ronaldo's case he tries to beat more players on his own and becomes a liability. They need to learn, but that isnt something that money can solve, time and experience will fix it. The 99 team is a fine example because when Neville, Giggs and co were Rooney and Ronaldo's age Utd were getting dumped out of Europe by the likes of Galatasaray, Rotor Volgograd, Gothenberg and co. We got mudered 4-0 in the Nou Camp too :eek: but instead of sacking all the players they were given the chance to learn. In 98 Arsenal did the double and Utd did nothing, Stam and Yorke came in and the team turned in treble winners, further evidence that a few key changes will make the difference.

Chelski is primarily focused on attracting established players and although a number of youngsters might get swayed by their money, many, many others would prefer the legend and prestige of ManU, something money can't buy you.

tell that to Robben and John Obi Mikel, you'd be surprised how big an effect those extra zeros on the wages have...

zlatanov
08-12-2005, 10:17
This is the most sensible post on this, Schalke were 1 goal from putting Milan out, Utd were 1 (heavily deflected) goal from going through, narrow margins that dont require such drastic solutions. I did feel 1 player would be sufficient but now id say 2 as Mickey Silvestre is looking increasingly shaky. Wes Brown is a fine replacement and already at the club but unfortunately his injury problems make him unreliable, so a new partner for Rio is probably required.

A world class replacement for Keane is the key to fixing things is the main buy needed though. Scholes is still excellent on the ball and his brain is still sharp, his problem is having to do so much work to cover for everyone else around him. Smith tries but doesnt know the role, Giggs and Ronaldo dont defend and in Ronaldo's case are so totally unpredictable on the ball that Scholes has to hold back just in case he tries to take on 10 players :mad: Ronaldo was Utds weakest player yesterday by some distance but i wonder how many of the "replace 6 players" lobby have him in mind? O Shea is also a liability but he is 3rd choice and only playing because Heinze and Fortune are injured, Ronaldo has no such excuse.



the main thing for that side was the players were all at their peaks. the ley players were all experienced whereas now Utds key players are both 20 year olds. Ronaldo and Rooney are still basically kids, when things go wrong they turn into individuals, in Rooney's case he drops into midfield and tries to orchestrate things from there but it leaves Ruud very isolated, in Ronaldo's case he tries to beat more players on his own and becomes a liability. They need to learn, but that isnt something that money can solve, time and experience will fix it. The 99 team is a fine example because when Neville, Giggs and co were Rooney and Ronaldo's age Utd were getting dumped out of Europe by the likes of Galatasaray, Rotor Volgograd, Gothenberg and co. We got mudered 4-0 in the Nou Camp too :eek: but instead of sacking all the players they were given the chance to learn. In 98 Arsenal did the double and Utd did nothing, Stam and Yorke came in and the team turned in treble winners, further evidence that a few key changes will make the difference.

I guess future will tell. I agree that that ManU team at first got massacred in CL but that helped youngsters like Giggs, Beckham, Butt, Scholes develope into the players they are today. However, don't forget that the only real youngsters in today's ManU are only 2-3 players - Ronaldo, Rooney, and maybe also Fletcher. All the rest are everything but young players and they don't have tons of time before them, just like they can't look for excuses in the lack of experience. What you said was true but for THAT manU team, and has hardly any relevence to the current one.

tell that to Robben and John Obi Mikel, you'd be surprised how big an effect those extra zeros on the wages have...
By an "established" player I didn't mean a 28-30 yo one but someone who isn't 14-15 yo and battling his way through the youth ranks. Robben was already an established player when Chelksi got him - a star for PSV and Holland and he cost them 20+ mil. As for Mikel, let's discuss him when he becomes a star for right now he is just a promising player and that's it. Plus, I doubt ManU is in this situation just because Chelski got Mikel under their noses, let's try to have a more sober view on the matter and focus on the source of the problem and don't look elsewhere for excuses - Chelski aren't the villain here and they aren't the reason why ManU finished last in a group with two CL debutants and a team that has lacked major success for the past 10 years or so in Portuguese and especially European football.

Stezagud
08-12-2005, 12:20
I guess future will tell. I agree that that ManU team at first got massacred in CL but that helped youngsters like Giggs, Beckham, Butt, Scholes develope into the players they are today. However, don't forget that the only real youngsters in today's ManU are only 2-3 players - Ronaldo, Rooney, and maybe also Fletcher. All the rest are everything but young players and they don't have tons of time before them, just like they can't look for excuses in the lack of experience. What you said was true but for THAT manU team, and has hardly any relevence to the current one.

There are more youngsters beyond them, Bardsley, Richardson and Rossi are all already involved with the first team, Richardson is already an international goalscorer :) and there are more following, David Jones will be back from his loan at Preston and is an excellent young midfielder and Pique will follow him when he is ready.

What the 99 team had was that when they came through the senior players still bore the burden, Cantona was crucial to their development but had gone by 97, Hughes, McClair, Robson and so on had been the main players but where phased out over a few years. Of the 'class of 92' only Giggs and Gary Neville were regular first teamers by the age of 21, whereas Rooney and Ronaldo have been since they were 18. The main difference is that the changes have been more abrupt, instead of Beckham and Ronaldo gradually interchanging it was a case of one out, one in. Same with Rooney, after Euro2004 there was no way he could be anything other than an immediate first teamer, and for the most part he has been our best player for the past season and a half, but he cant do it all.

The problem is whether or not we wait patiently, like we did in 93/94/95 for the youngsters to gradually replace the senior players (Giggs, Scholes and Neville over the next 3 years) or alternatively buy in ready made stars who dont have Utds ethic. You said yourself that Utds inbuilt spirit was crucial to our last side and i'd prefer to give youth a chance. Its what this club has always been about. the 94 side had Robson as the world class midfielder around whom the youngsters learnt, Keane then took over when he was ready, and now we need to buy a worldclass midfielder to lead whilst this crop develop.

zlatanov
08-12-2005, 13:44
There are more youngsters beyond them, Bardsley, Richardson and Rossi are all already involved with the first team, Richardson is already an international goalscorer :) and there are more following, David Jones will be back from his loan at Preston and is an excellent young midfielder and Pique will follow him when he is ready.

What the 99 team had was that when they came through the senior players still bore the burden, Cantona was crucial to their development but had gone by 97, Hughes, McClair, Robson and so on had been the main players but where phased out over a few years. Of the 'class of 92' only Giggs and Gary Neville were regular first teamers by the age of 21, whereas Rooney and Ronaldo have been since they were 18. The main difference is that the changes have been more abrupt, instead of Beckham and Ronaldo gradually interchanging it was a case of one out, one in. Same with Rooney, after Euro2004 there was no way he could be anything other than an immediate first teamer, and for the most part he has been our best player for the past season and a half, but he cant do it all.

The problem is whether or not we wait patiently, like we did in 93/94/95 for the youngsters to gradually replace the senior players (Giggs, Scholes and Neville over the next 3 years) or alternatively buy in ready made stars who dont have Utds ethic. You said yourself that Utds inbuilt spirit was crucial to our last side and i'd prefer to give youth a chance. Its what this club has always been about. the 94 side had Robson as the world class midfielder around whom the youngsters learnt, Keane then took over when he was ready, and now we need to buy a worldclass midfielder to lead whilst this crop develop.
Steza, these "other" youngsters are barely getting their shirts sweaty for ManU. Probably with the exception of Rossi, PROBABLY, the rest will end up being transfered to other clubs just to get a bit more playing time. My point is that the only youngsters who are being an ACTIVE part of THIS ManU team, are Ronaldo, Rooney, and Fletcher, who gets the nod from time to time. All the rest are just filling in the numbers, and most probably will never have any impact whatsoever on the 1st team for, by the time they are 24-25, they probably will be playing for another club, like Boro, for example.
If you look back at THAT club of ManU, the young players, who again ACTIVELY took part of playing for the team, represented more than half of all the players in the 1st team, and they were first choice players from a pretty early age. Now, for that situation, you could say that the team had bags of potential but only lacked experience and that's why they had a hard time in the CL at the beginning.
The diff between that team and this one is that now only Rooney, Ronaldo, and from time to time Fletcher are actively playing, while the rest of the young players are merely spectators.

Stezagud
08-12-2005, 14:09
If you look back at THAT club of ManU, the young players, who again ACTIVELY took part of playing for the team, represented more than half of all the players in the 1st team, and they were first choice players from a pretty early age. Now, for that situation, you could say that the team had bags of potential but only lacked experience and that's why they had a hard time in the CL at the beginning.
The diff between that team and this one is that now only Rooney, Ronaldo, and from time to time Fletcher are actively playing, while the rest of the young players are merely spectators.


It was far far more gradual than you remember. Giggs came through first in 91, but wasnt a regular for another year (at 18) even then he rotated with Lee Sharpe for a few years. Neville came next in 92, and rotated with Paul Parker for a season before making the shirt his own in about 1993. Scholes and Butt made a few limited starts in 1994 (making their champions League debuts in the last game of the group when Utd already knew they were out) Beckham didnt even get back from his loan at Preston until 95 when he was already 21. It wasnt until the 95/96 season that the side began to include all of them, a season memorable to English people here because Utd started the season with a 3-1 defeat at Villa and Alan Hansen made his infamous "you'll never win anything with kids" statement on match of the day. United ended the season double winners :)

Of the current side Bardsley has played often this year, Richardson too, Rossi made a scoring debut as well as averaging more than a goal a game for the reserves, Jones has earnt rave reviews from Preston (like Beckham) and so on. We are at the stage Utd faced in 94, a few have broken few and a few will be ready in 1-2 years. They are the only reason Fergie is still in the job, he would have retired already if he hadnt been planning to bring in this new generation.

rock
09-12-2005, 14:10
So there is a chance that man utd could come knocking for gattuso in the summer,but that doesnt mean milan will sell him,but as gattuso had previously stated he would loved to play in britain again,anything is possible...

K77SH C
09-12-2005, 20:26
I dont see any Milan starter leaving Milan for UTD no matter if they need 1 player or 10.

rock
18-01-2006, 07:34
Manchester United have renewed their interest in Milan midfielder Gennaro Gattuso, according to reports in Italy.

Having given up on Bayern Munich’s Michael Ballack, it seems that the Red Devils – whose chief executive David Gill has been spotted in Milan recently – have identified Gattuso as the ideal replacement for Roy Keane, who left for Celtic recently.

Sir Alex Ferguson is a great admirer of the combative midfielder and the 28-year-old has also made no secret of his desire to one day move to Old Trafford.

"My dream is to play for Manchester United," he told the Daily Mail, after United first showed an interest in him last year. "They are a side that have always interested me. I’d love to try a new experience, maybe in two or three years time…"

Gattuso has since said that he would like to stay at Milan for life and that he has had "a couple of chats" with the club’s Vice-President Adriano Galliani to that effect.

But Rino has also suggested in the past that it is unhealthy to stay in any one place for too long and Milan’s latest title blow will have done little to kill his wanderlust.

"The way I see it, a player should change clubs every two or three years mainly for motivational reasons," he said while training with the national team last year. "That is why in the last few days I have thought about leaving Milan."

If United are serious about recruiting the Italy international in the summer, an imminent offer would certainly turn the player’s head.

Gattuso wants to avenge the disaster of Istanbul by winning the Champions League this season with Milan but a return to Britain - where he first made his name with Rangers - after this season could well suit the fiery ball-winner.

"The way I play is more suited to across the channel," he declared at Coverciano in 2005. "That’s where I will return.

"The game in Italy is too technical for me," he continued. "My characteristics are more cut-and-thrust, more British."

Some reports on Wednesday suggest that United could offer Ruud Van Nistelrooy as part of the deal to sign Gattuso

_MaJi_tz
18-01-2006, 08:57
I think galliani must keep rino couse he play for milan with heart....
and curva sud like him very very very much

rock
18-01-2006, 09:20
how is he playing this season i heard he is quite out of form

GRE-NO-LI
18-01-2006, 21:23
Ruud Van Nistelrooy for Gattuso?!? I hope not, that sounds like an awful deal!

SANT
18-01-2006, 22:12
Guys, let's get serious... as much as we love Rino, Van Nistelrooy, in the market, is easily 3 times the price...

GRE-NO-LI
18-01-2006, 23:32
I stick with Rino, why do we need Van Nilsterooy?

Buju
19-01-2006, 05:53
This story is in UK papers today.

Dear Rino,
please don't go. i have a shirt with your name on :(

Josh-Sheva
19-01-2006, 10:59
ruud for rino, perfect, ruud rocks!!! gattuso is over here, just like he said, "italian football is not my style!!"

Buju
19-01-2006, 13:57
I stick with Rino, why do we need Van Nilsterooy?


Maybe Milan has new tactics buy all the strikers in the world then you don't have to worry about your defence being old and slow!

Stezagud
19-01-2006, 14:04
In the UK stories there is nothing about Ruud leaving (Even British tabloids arent that stupid :rolleyes: ), instead they say Utd will buy Gattuso for £5m, which seems a bit low :eek:

rock
19-01-2006, 14:32
Dont worry,utd have 3 midfield targets for the summer,the first choice is diarra then maschearno and then gatusso

savage_mau
19-01-2006, 15:51
If we can get Ballack as his replacement or do a cash + player exchange (O'Shea) that would be great.


O'Shea is a rubbish as u can this his performance with MU. Even if we got ballack, he is till a short term player at the worng way of 30th years old. Ballack role is different with Gattu. Gattu type of player is very hard to find indeed as he provide Milan with the toughtnest in the midfield. I see Juve success this season as they have a player of Veira and Emerson in the centre midfield which is tough and can do all the tackling and winning the ball. Just like also Keane with Mu in the 90 th or even Makalee and Essain of Chelsea . if we lose Gattu i really dono who to find to replace him.

GRE-NO-LI
19-01-2006, 19:49
I agree with Savage, Rino must stay, he's very useful.

rock
21-01-2006, 11:05
he is the third choice of manutd target i would prefer mascherano and then diarra

Mehdi
21-01-2006, 18:12
Guys, let's get serious... as much as we love Rino, Van Nistelrooy, in the market, is easily 3 times the price...

If United were stupid to offer RVN and money for Gattuso we would be complete fools to turn them down.

Josh-Sheva
23-01-2006, 12:51
i know, RVN is much better than Gatusso plus were getting money, if we trun the offer down we are not in luck

mk18
23-01-2006, 13:17
thats just stupid... RVN and gattuso are completely different... we hve good enough attackers, and our problem is in defence, why exchange an excellent defensive player for an attacker who i doubt would bring in anything extra that we dont have in attack? ... the funny thing is, that most of those who are with this transfer are the same ones who are demanding we get a gazillion defenders! ... this aint master league on PES buddies... make up your mind on who u think we should get, because im really confused right now.

GRE-NO-LI
23-01-2006, 13:19
I agree with mk18: we don't need RVN at now, but new defenders.

Kaka1899
23-01-2006, 13:47
well rino better not go because if he dose i have heard tht alex ferguson is going to play rino in the centre of midfield! why?

Stezagud
23-01-2006, 13:51
Ruud would never have been part of the deal on this, though if its a defender your after Silvestre could be available ;)

K77SH C
23-01-2006, 20:40
well rino better not go because if he dose i have heard tht alex ferguson is going to play rino in the centre of midfield! why?

Thats where he belongs.

midfieldred
21-04-2007, 07:00
Rino Gatusso looks more like a caveman..hahahahaha.....Our own Cristiano Ronaldo will made him feel stupid :D

Mehdi
21-04-2007, 09:18
Rino Gatusso looks more like a caveman..hahahahaha.....Our own Cristiano Ronaldo will made him feel stupid :D

Given the choice I'd rather look like a caveman than a faggot.

Ghost
21-04-2007, 09:21
Given the choice I'd rather look like a caveman than a faggot.

LMAO, dude that has to be the line of the day.

milanisti2503
21-04-2007, 10:09
its ok if rino changed with ronaldo :5ok:

hwmook
21-04-2007, 19:42
its ok if rino changed with ronaldo :5ok:

No way.

There are a few players i consider of the utmost importance to Milan.

Pirlo
Rino
Nesta
Kaka

Reason being, these guys are simply the best in their position/roles. We will get weaken if these players are allowed to leave. Rino might not have the flair but he is the wall in MF that we simply cannot live without. He is the best DM in the world and nobody can take that away from him.

Warro Bantan
21-04-2007, 22:20
I really hope a better "class" of Man U supporter joins our forum for this game...this midfieldhead guy....sheesh...tactless, no class, bare minimum of intelligence....there has to be better Man U fans out there! :rollani:

k7r
23-04-2007, 03:16
Sell out :
Olivera
Seedorf
Favalli
Kaladze
Serginho

Buy:
Cannavaro
De Rossi
Sheva

Kaka1899
23-04-2007, 03:43
Given the choice I'd rather look like a caveman than a faggot.


What a comeback!!!!!!!!! :respect: :grinser:

Mehdi
23-04-2007, 06:22
Sell out :
Olivera
Seedorf
Favalli
Kaladze
Serginho

Buy:
Cannavaro
De Rossi
Sheva

A past it Cannavaro and past it Shevchenko? Who do you support, Inter?

ACMILAN1983
23-04-2007, 08:11
Rino has recently again said that right now he is fully committed to Milan and wants to stay, which is great.

Also, there's an article about him on the http://www.timesonline.co.uk discussing a number of subjects, and I especially loved this comment from him...

That triumph for Italy came against the backdrop of the corruption scandal in Serie A and the investigations continue. Milan were initially thrown out of the Champions League and, while that punishment was overturned on appeal, it seems fair to ask Gattuso whether a victory for the Rossoneri would be tainted. “Me and my mates, we got f***ed and we had to suffer for it,” he said. “It was nothing to do with us.”

IvanGattuso
27-04-2007, 18:54
Please stay at the San Siro, Rino. :5ok:

Blacktop
27-04-2007, 19:08
Who makes up this stuff? Rino ain't going anywhere. And whoever in this thread suggested we bring back Sheva is out of their mind.