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ForzaMilan'88
07-07-2005, 07:00
Chelsea's Crespo blasts AC Milan over "lies"
tribalfootball.com - July 7, 2005
Chelsea striker Hernan Crespo has hit out at AC Milan after seeing his hopes of returning this season ended with their signing of Christian Vieri.
"With me, Milan has been playing a two-sided game," said the angry Argie. "Milan has told me lies, one day I will open my heart and everyone will hear what the true story is.
"I can't see me returning to Milan now. But I also do not want to return to England. If they call me, I will say I am on vacation.
"I'm happy for Bobo that he has realised his dream to play for Milan. I felt that I would be playing for the Rossonero also this season."
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I hope Crespo made the above statement purely out of frustration for having to leave Milan/Italy. For if his allegations about Milan playing him out are true.. I would be one very disappointed fan. I had really hoped he would stay, and am still trying to believe Galliani when he says he did all he could, but it was Chelsea's fault.
Hasan Rossonero
07-07-2005, 07:06
Chelsea's Crespo blasts AC Milan over "lies"
tribalfootball.com - July 7, 2005
Chelsea striker Hernan Crespo has hit out at AC Milan after seeing his hopes of returning this season ended with their signing of Christian Vieri.
"With me, Milan has been playing a two-sided game," said the angry Argie. "Milan has told me lies, one day I will open my heart and everyone will hear what the true story is.
"I can't see me returning to Milan now. But I also do not want to return to England. If they call me, I will say I am on vacation.
"I'm happy for Bobo that he has realised his dream to play for Milan. I felt that I would be playing for the Rossonero also this season."
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I hope Crespo made the above statement purely out of frustration for having to leave Milan/Italy. For if his allegations about Milan playing him out are true.. I would be one very disappointed fan. I had really hoped he would stay, and am still trying to believe Galliani when he says he did all he could, but it was Chelsea's fault.
tribalfootball is sensationalism on a gaudy website. He is a Chelsea player. End of story.
ForzaMilan'88
07-07-2005, 07:12
I beg to differ. Tribalfootball may publish a lot of 'possibilities' and theories, but not unless it comes from the horses mouth. I'm more curious to hear what Hernan has to say eventually, when he 'open's his heart to everyone' about what he claims to be the "true story" !
zlatanov
07-07-2005, 07:20
until these words appear on at least 2 other, this time reliable, websites, I will regard it as yet another BS rumours from tribalfootball.
As Hassan said, Crespo is a Chelsea player and they were obviously unwilling to let him go, especially when they themselves are in dire need of a good striker.
Ariedo Braida and Galliani said that everything between Milan and CHelsea had been agreed for Crespo to stay with Milan for one more year, however Chelsea have been having a lot of unexpected difficulties finding another striker this summer, so in the end they decided to not let him some to Milan. When a player belongs to a club and that club is not willing to let him go, there is very little Milan could do. At the same time Milan cannot stay aside and wait for eternity to see if Chelsea are somehow gonna change their mind once again, so we got Vieri to replace Crespo and that's it - no hard feelings, just business.
It shouldn't really matter what he has to say, he was on loan, chelsea wanted him back, we tried to extend his stay but it didn't work out... End of story. Hasan said it and I'm saying it again
Crespo - Did we try hard enough?
Yes we did, It's obvious to most of us?
devoted_dm
07-07-2005, 08:30
He is probably just disappointed because Milan said that they would do everything to keep him, then let him go when they signed Vieri. That is the cynical world of football, however.
I wouldnt be surprised even if Crespo said it. Peter Kenyon is the devil and Im sure he has been filling Crespo's ears with all sorts of crap. Its obvious Kenyon never intended to give us Crespo. He has been a good player,b ut its time to forget him now.
It seems that Galliani wanted Crespo for loan for another season which is surely unfair. IMO Crespo is worth about 10M million euros and I don't think Galliani offered a penny for him.
milan_forever
07-07-2005, 10:17
It seems that Galliani wanted Crespo for loan for another season which is surely unfair. IMO Crespo is worth about 10M million euros and I don't think Galliani offered a penny for him.
saving for gilardino prob? :dontkn:
he shud be grateful to us, we did him a favour, if it wuznt for us he wud b playing in river plate or sum ****ty team. we helped him get his form bac n let him start all the time.
ForzaMilan'88
07-07-2005, 10:45
I agree with devoted_dm & Franco6. It was likely said out of frustration, not to mention knowing Milan rather take him on loan than buy him over. Doesn't make one feel as valuable or important anymore, especially after contributing so much last season
Just hope Vieri fills the Crespo gap sufficiently. Good luck to you Crespo. We'll miss you...
I am not privy to what went on around the negotiations table, so I don't really know. But if media report are correct, I think Milan could have tried harder. :undecide:
had we really really wanted him, we could have had him.
I think a lot of it was to do with Chelsea's stubbornness, they wanted a Kaladze at a hugely discounted price for Crespo.
In the end of the day, it is Chelsea who owns the guy, so it has always been up to them to decide. And since they failed in bringing in top striker, it is only logical that Chelsea wanted to recall Hernan. However, I believe that if we only wanted to sign Crespo this summer, we could have done it - but the money was not there for Crespo and Gilardino (who will come for sure...)
But is actually quite funny - I remember when many here in MM was on his back because he sucked in the start of the season, he was not Milan quality and so on, but now the pipe has got another sound. Funny how things and opinions can change...
Maradona (10)
07-07-2005, 17:00
Not so long ago I discussed this with Zlatanov, and I told him that Milan was making no effort to retain Hernan. Well, here it is.
zlatanov
07-07-2005, 17:14
There is hardly any logic in what you say. So, if Crespo didn't end up in Milan, therefore we didn't make any effort whatsoever to keep him - if life was that simple, you wouldn't need a VISA credit card. Following your logic, Milan should pay whatever price Chelsea were asking for him. What if they asked for 100 mi euros - just an example - should we make an "Abramovich" on them and count the money just because we want Crespo? And if we refuse to give them 100 mil, should someone like you say "I discussed this with Zlatanov, and I told him that Milan was making no effort to retain Hernan. Well, here it is."
It is one thing to want a player and make an effort to keep him and a completely different story if that same player BELONGS to another team, which are unwilling to let him come to Milan unless Milan pays them 10-15 mil euros and backs off from Gilardino.
For every player, including Crespo and Gilardino, there is something called "right and reasonable price" and when the other side is asking for something more than that you say - no thank, good luck. End of story.
Sorry buddy, but try to reason a bit more than that - the path right in front of you is not always the shortest.
Milan didn't offer a penny for Crespo. They wanted another season of loan. That.s insane for a player who scored 2 goals in the final of the champion's league. If Chelsea were almost ready to extend his loan then they would have sold him for around E7-8 mil. To get Crespo for free is not a "reasonable price". Its a shame because Crespo played with his heart and is much better than Tommason and Vieri. But really I feel sorry for Crespo for what happened with him.
Maradona (10)
07-07-2005, 18:43
Milan didn't offer a penny for Crespo. They wanted another season of loan. That.s insane for a player who scored 2 goals in the final of the champion's league. If Chelsea were almost ready to extend his loan then they would have sold him for around E7-8 mil. To get Crespo for free is not a "reasonable price". Its a shame because Crespo played with his heart and is much better than Tommason and Vieri. But really I feel sorry for Crespo for what happened with him.
Bingo...and also he played great with Argentina against Brazil. Vieri? Who is Vieri right now?
Hasan Rossonero
07-07-2005, 19:00
Bingo...and also he played great with Argentina against Brazil. Vieri? Who is Vieri right now?
Vieri is the guy who scored more goals in Serie A this season than Crespo.
Not to mention he was free.
Maradona (10)
07-07-2005, 19:16
Vieri is the guy who scored more goals in Serie A this season than Crespo.
Not to mention he was free.
But isnt as talented as Crespo. And is injury prone. And is like 32 years old. And chokes when it counts. And if I read correctly, he will earn 4M per year.
And there was a 2 goal difference (And Vieri scored 2 PK while Crespo didnt).
Hasan Rossonero
07-07-2005, 19:40
But isnt as talented as Crespo. And is injury prone. And is like 32 years old. And chokes when it counts. And if I read correctly, he will earn 4M per year.
And there was a 2 goal difference (And Vieri scored 2 PK while Crespo didnt).
If I recall correctly Crespo was injured for a good chunk of this season.
Crespo is 30 years old so he is no spring chicken.
The point is Crespo is Chelsea's player. Milan did not want to buy him because of Gila. Vieri remains a good alternative.
In my opinion Vieri has had a sterling career, brighter than Crespo's. They are both solid players. Crespo might have a great touch but Vieri is powerful and just as good in the air.
Maradona (10)
07-07-2005, 19:49
If I recall correctly Crespo was injured for a good chunk of this season.
Crespo is 30 years old so he is no spring chicken.
The point is Crespo is Chelsea's player. Milan did not want to buy him because of Gila. Vieri remains a good alternative.
In my opinion Vieri has had a sterling career, brighter than Crespo's. They are both solid players. Crespo might have a great touch but Vieri is powerful and just as good in the air.
Who cares about carrers? That doesnt count when they start playing next season. Crespo is the better player between the 2, no doubt.
Hasan Rossonero
07-07-2005, 19:53
Who cares about carrers? That doesnt count when they start playing next season. Crespo is the better player between the 2, no doubt.
what about my other points. I think Vieri will do well for us.
Maradona (10)
07-07-2005, 20:09
what about my other points. I think Vieri will do well for us.
What other points? That Vieri is strong? Yes, he is. The fact is that Crespo wont play for us, while Vieri is going to wear the Rossonero jersey. Thats what counts. Im going to support Vieri, but I wish Crespo would have stayed.
Oh come on its obvious Kenyon never intended to let him stay with us so its time to forget him and try and support the player who has taken his place.
Vieri is like a flag pole. He hardly even moves. Crespo might not be the complete striker like Sheva but he still has some what decent dribbling skills and decent speed. The only thing good about Vieri was his shooting and heading skills and he's also lost those skills. Batistuta (one of the best ever) was a greater striker than Vieri at his peak but when Inter signed him from Roma he was a finished player. Its the same now for Vieri
I think youre being a little hard on vieri Omer. Yeah hes had a tough season, but hes had to come to terms with the fact that hes not the top man anymore (ie Adriano and Martins). I think a fresh start may do him some good. If all he can do is use his strength to lay the ball off to Sheva and Kaka, Il be happy. But we all know he can do much more given the chance. Hes not at the stage of Batigol yet, either.
ForzaMilan'88
08-07-2005, 01:16
Chelsea striker Hernan Crespo has hit out at AC Milan after seeing his hopes of returning this season ended with their signing of Christian Vieri.
"With me, Milan has been playing a two-sided game," said the angry Argie. "Milan has told me lies, one day I will open my heart and everyone will hear what the true story is."
I agree there's nothing we can do about Crespo right now. He's gone. But the remarks he made after his departure still saddens me. Yes, call me a guy that just can't seem to get over this. He was in the thick of the negotiations so he more than anyone else, should know if Milan or Chelsea were playing games with him.
I would be the first to sigh of relief, if the above report is indeed a load a BS as some of you have said. Till then it seems to me that we've really disappointed a player who, despite his shortcommings, gave us so much last season.
Hasan Rossonero
08-07-2005, 05:42
I agree there's nothing we can do about Crespo right now. He's gone. But the remarks he made after his departure still saddens me. Yes, call me a guy that just can't seem to get over this. He was in the thick of the negotiations so he more than anyone else, should know if Milan or Chelsea were playing games with him.
I would be the first to sigh of relief, if the above report is indeed a load a BS as some of you have said. Till then it seems to me that we've really disappointed a player who, despite his shortcommings, gave us so much last season.
if you read these comments on somewhere other than tribalfootball then get sad.
To bad Chelsea isnt interested in Vieri. Otherwise I would loan him to Chelsea in exchange for Crespo's services. It looks like we could'nt have our cake and eat it too. In my opinion with Chelsea's interest in Gila, they werent gonna let us about to both try to acquire Gila and also get Hernan. Unfortunately Crespo was their leverage in this transfer intrigue. A smart move on Chelsea's part if I might add. Unfortunately it was at the expense of this well liked striker.
Its funny how not many people were happy when he came and now everyones missing him :grinser: Hope vieri will be similar.
zlatanov
08-07-2005, 07:58
Its funny how not many people were happy when he came and now everyones missing him :grinser: Hope vieri will be similar.
Upffff, tel me about it. :( :respect:
Dr Milano
08-07-2005, 10:12
Chelsea's Crespo blasts AC Milan over "lies"
tribalfootball.com - July 7, 2005
Chelsea striker Hernan Crespo has hit out at AC Milan after seeing his hopes of returning this season ended with their signing of Christian Vieri.
"With me, Milan has been playing a two-sided game," said the angry Argie. "Milan has told me lies, one day I will open my heart and everyone will hear what the true story is.
"I can't see me returning to Milan now. But I also do not want to return to England. If they call me, I will say I am on vacation.
"I'm happy for Bobo that he has realised his dream to play for Milan. I felt that I would be playing for the Rossonero also this season."
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I hope Crespo made the above statement purely out of frustration for having to leave Milan/Italy. For if his allegations about Milan playing him out are true.. I would be one very disappointed fan. I had really hoped he would stay, and am still trying to believe Galliani when he says he did all he could, but it was Chelsea's fault.
poor guy i feel sorry for him i prefer him more than vieri
vickirin
08-07-2005, 11:03
And is injury prone. And is like 32 years old.
mmm I remind that Crespo was injured a half or more of last 2 years. I also seem to remember that he's not a young boy in football terms.
Chelsea bought Crespo because Vieri was not avaible from Inter anyone in that time would have prefered Vieri , Crespo had a great time in Milan but as soon as he lands in London will be the same mediocre player, sad but true.
Vieri will be of great benefit as he will be back to his good ol' days just like Hernan and Cafu did. :devs:
aceventura
08-07-2005, 14:09
its obvious that milan didnt do everything they could but what can we do it business.
Milan wanted another loan deal while Chelsea couldnt find any free striker on the market and it realy ireasonable from their side to let hernan go .
The deal of Kakha that failed also helped chelsea to reject the offer for Hernan.
Milan pn the other hand have a batter option of taking Vieri for free and we must agree that vieri is atleast at the same level of Crespo (i think Vieri is batter) plus vieri was free agent and Milan keep the cash for Gilas' deal and like i said before its also a business so there is not much to do. Milan need the cash for Gila and they just cant afford any deal but Loan for hernan and it wsant enough for Chelsea.
yeah we did and crespo knows that... its not realistic to sign some1 for 11M when u have a player whos almost as good for free... sentimentally we failed but financially we did much well and this what counts in the end.
Milan3869
10-07-2005, 01:19
yeah we did and crespo knows that... its not realistic to sign some1 for 11M when u have a player whos almost as good for free... sentimentally we failed but financially we did much well and this what counts in the end.
but crespo would have made far less money than vieri!!
bottom line, we lost a great striker but got one just as good!! vieri!!!
the difference in their salary is around 2M ... with vieris contract running for 2 years the total amount spent on him is around 8M (since he will earn 4M) ... crespo would have been 13M... thats a 5M difference
zlatanov
11-07-2005, 06:23
Actually, from the latest reports on Vieri's contract his salary would be 2.5 mil euros/year - this was on www.tgcom.it/sport, when they announced that Silvio and Vieri had had talks before the official news on completing the transfer.
Crespo agreed to have a salary cut in order to stay with Milan and that was reported to be 2.5 mil euros too.
Warro Bantan
13-07-2005, 10:48
While I refuse to believe 75% of what I read on Tribalfootball, (in fact, I only read what others post here, as I no longer visit that site, so chock filled with misinformation) I would indeed be disappointed that Milan didnt do more to retain the player.
The fact is though, that it wouldnt be sound business (unless he scored a goal in every game) to spend vast sums on an aging player like Hernan. We are only spending on Mr I. Mis-a-lot Vieri insofar as salary is concerned, not a transfer fee, plus salary, which would have to be the case for us to aquire Crespo outright.
So maybe we have (as the saying goes in Jamaica) swapped a black dog for a monkey (we have traded like for like) and we will be no better or worse off...though I think Crespo is a better striker than Bobo any day...
I think in all honesty, that Milan did what they could, within reason, to obtain the striker, but I wouldnt have countenanced his aquisition if it meant losing Kaladze, who we need more than another aging striker.
Now, with the signing of Mr I. Miss a Lot, we at least have a body to throw on the pitch for the Italian Cup, or when we are 6-0 up over the likes of Lecce, and Livorno.
Now, with the signing of Mr I. Miss a Lot, we at least have a body to throw on the pitch for the Italian Cup, or when we are 6-0 up over the likes of Lecce, and Livorno.
Even maybe against Inter.
Hasan Rossonero
13-07-2005, 12:36
sheesh...Vieri is class...you will see.
sheesh...Vieri is class...you will see.
He is no doubt one of Fav strikers, will definately have a good season. :w186:
freddydaddy7
14-07-2005, 01:48
I agree in that maybe we haven’t tried so hard to keep Crespo he would have been better but to make Carlo happy and the big boss Berlusconi we got Vieri and that it self is big gift even Juve and Cannivaro knew he would be a great addition but sorry too late we fixed our attack while juve is busy with their Middle field
ForzaMilan'88
26-07-2005, 11:29
Sad to see that once again, Crespo has spoken against Milan, reaffirming that Milan did not try hard enough to keep him.
This time however, while there is similar news on tribalfootball.com (known for its BS), this article is from Clubcall http://www.clubcall.com/vsite/vcontent/content/transnews/0,10869,5034-143502-19728-27811-186985-11136-5024-layout104-160718-news-item,00.html
So perhaps there is some truth to this after all...
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Crespo slams Milan again
26 Jul 2005 00:00
Hernan Crespo has again blasted AC Milan for not signing him this summer, saying he felt terrible that a deal had not been concluded.
The Argentine international was speaking after his current club Chelsea beat Milan 1-0 in a pre-season friendly, with Crespo now looking forward to life at Stamford Bridge.
Crespo's planned permanent switch to the San Siro, after an impressive loan spell last season, looked like being one of the summer biggest transfers but fell through when the two clubs failed to agree a deal.
Milan decided instead to snap up Christian Vieri from rivals Inter, with the 30-year-old Crespo once again criticising the Italian club for their part in the saga.
The striker said: "Milan could have sealed my transfer, but they didn't do it.
"I have already put that bad moment behind me, but I didn't like that I had never been told that I wasn't going to continue at Milan. :d55:
"If I had known how it was going to end, I wouldn't have felt so bad."
Crespo revealed: "I went away on holiday and everything seemed to be alright, but when I came back and knew that negotiations hadn't gone well I felt terrible.
"In February, Chelsea would have been delighted in selling me for a relatively small fee, but Milan did not do anything to buy me and that bothered me."
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Its sad to hear him say all this, I really loved this guy. But at the end of the day...he's one frustrated man for things not going his way. And he can do nothing but say great things for Chelsea if he wants to play regular football for them.
Silvio, Galliani... I just don't get it.
Warro Bantan
26-07-2005, 11:59
If I may play devils advocate (Which is really the case when you are seeking to justify Galliani and Berlu´s action or inaction) let me say this:
Crespo´s comments (if true) are based on the exclusion of the Kaladze deal in the saga, which as we know, was an integral part. Given the choice of losing Kaladze, and gaining Crespo, Milan did the right thing, in keeping the Georgian over the Argentine.
While I openly admit that I prefer Crespo to Vieri 100000000000000%, I think that I would prefer to have Maldini´s understudy at Milan, and lose 30 year old Crespo. (though it would have been nice to have both)
Let us also remember that Milan were in hot pursuit of Gila, which though a separate issue, must have impacted on the Crespo situation...ie, maybe if we didnt have to trump up more $s for Gila, we could have aquired Hernan...but its a whole lot of ifs, buts and maybes...
Suffice it to say, that IMO I think we tried hard to get the Argentine...maybe not hard enough, but such is life...
If I may play devils advocate (Which is really the case when you are seeking to justify Galliani and Berlu´s action or inaction) let me say this:
Crespo´s comments (if true) are based on the exclusion of the Kaladze deal in the saga, which as we know, was an integral part. Given the choice of losing Kaladze, and gaining Crespo, Milan did the right thing, in keeping the Georgian over the Argentine.
While I openly admit that I prefer Crespo to Vieri 100000000000000%, I think that I would prefer to have Maldini´s understudy at Milan, and lose 30 year old Crespo. (though it would have been nice to have both)
Let us also remember that Milan were in hot pursuit of Gila, which though a separate issue, must have impacted on the Crespo situation...ie, maybe if we didnt have to trump up more $s for Gila, we could have aquired Hernan...but its a whole lot of ifs, buts and maybes...
Suffice it to say, that IMO I think we tried hard to get the Argentine...maybe not hard enough, but such is life...
i agree with everything but the last paragraph... i think we tried hard but if hes gonna blame some1 it has to be chelsea for b*tching around with us... milan did everything right, i think everyone would have prefered to have crespo instead of vieri but vieri was free while crespo was available for 11M, and that kind of money u cannot make just like that it has a value... if we were known to be big spenders like chelsea and real then i would understand his frustration a little more... but its not our policy to spend that kind of money when we got other better options... blame chelsea if anything, after all the good things we did to them the last thing they should do is f*ck aroud with us. :lazy:
Maevious
30-07-2005, 20:30
Milan saved money (at least 10-12m euros) to buy a younger striker who is also extremely talented and...Italian (Gila)
At the same time, we signed Vieri who is a great finisher and was free.
Crespo helped us a lot and Milan helped him "regenerate" his career...
If Real Madrid can buy Robinho and Baptista then we could have at least paid the 8-9 million to keep Crespo. Gila and Crespo would be much better than Gila and Vieri.
shevagol_7
30-07-2005, 22:33
If Real Madrid can buy Robinho and Baptista then we could have at least paid the 8-9 million to keep Crespo. Gila and Crespo would be much better than Gila and Vieri.
Spending 8-9 million on a player that would sit on the bench isn't a good idea when alternatives are available for free.
Spending 8-9 million on a player that would sit on the bench isn't a good idea when alternatives are available for free.
The team was so tired at the end of last season because the bench players were so mediocre. Its good to also have good players on the bech.
Maevious
31-07-2005, 14:52
It is always easier to spend somebody's else money....:p
tardissun
01-08-2005, 14:50
People are being too hard on Vieri. Give him a chance at least. He may not be a 20yr old superstar, but he does have a lot of big game experience. He won't fold.
I don't see why people are so upset about Crespo. Sure, he did a good job in Milan for 1 season, but there are a lot of better players available. I'm sure glad we spent the money on Gila. Would Crespo have accepted a JDT role for us and is his salary hit worth it for a JDT type player?
Besides, If I were Chelsea, I would try to capitilize on his performance. Due to what he did in Milan, his price tag is probably higher than what it should be. I'd try to sell him if I were Kenyon.
While he did a lot for us last season, and I respect that, he's not a player I was thrilled about suiting up at the best team in the world.
hitmannq8
01-08-2005, 15:13
Even if Vieri reaches top form, I can´t see him playing the same way as he used to play.
ForzaMilan'88
02-08-2005, 06:09
Would Crespo have accepted a JDT role for us and is his salary hit worth it for a JDT type player?
I agree Crespo would not have adjusted easily to a JDT-type role. But the fact that Crespo was willing to take a huge paycut to stay on at Milan not only shows that he's not into it for the money, but because he has passion for the club and wanted to be part of it. The club can only be fortunate to have players who feel that way AND who are world-class. And its all because Milan helped revive his career so there's gratitude involved as well.
As for Vieri, he may be great, but having easily hopped over from Inter, I don't know if he shares the same extreme gratitue and passion Crespo HAD for Milan.
Passion, gratitude, etc. really does count. But Berlu and gang don't see it that way I guess. I just hope they don't regret it....
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