View Full Version : Milan to sell Shevchenko for £60m???
SPURSMILAN
11-07-2005, 06:27
I have read various reports over the weekend suggesting Milan have told Chelsea they can sign Shevchenko for a world record £60million. The papers aresaying that this partly because we are trying to fun a deal for Gilardino and to cash in on Shevchenko as he is 28 years old and could be our last chance to get a big fee.
Personally I don't believe this and I think the english media are making this up, but I wanted to check with Milan fans in Italy to see if you had heard anything. I really do not want this to happen and we would be mad to sell to Chelsea.
zlatanov
11-07-2005, 06:37
These reports are the result of the British Press dreaming. There was a similar report - it suggested that Sheva would be sold next season, and not now - on an italian site www.calciomercato.com, but they were just quoting a Spanish paper's take on " Who Should Be Milan's Fantasy Signing?" Apart from these paper-selling articles in a couple of British and Spanish papers, there has never been anything on this in the Italian media or at least I don't recall reading/seeing it.
pirlo2004
11-07-2005, 07:00
AC Milan invite £60M Chelsea bid for Shevchenko (Tribalfootball.com)
AC Milan have told Chelsea they can sign Andriy Shevchenko, the Ukraine forward, if they offer them a world-record transfer fee of £60 million. The News of the World says Milan have revived negotiations with Chelsea over Shevchenko, with the player now touching 30.
I do hope this is all lies
Hasan Rossonero
11-07-2005, 07:00
This is a rumour.
BUT if Sheva were sold for that much money at 29 (cause he turns that in September) and we brought in players like Gila and many others, it would not be the end of the world.
I love Sheva as much as the next guy but the figure quoted for a 29-year-old would be tempting.
Think who we could buy (apart from Gila as apparently we have already): Toni, Oddo, Bonera and anyone else you can think of.
With that said I hope Sheva stays and forms a stellar partnership with Gila. :dielaugh:
zlatanov
11-07-2005, 07:02
I do hope this is all lies
It is tribalfootball, what else do you expect it to be?
Hasan Rossonero
11-07-2005, 07:04
It is tribalfootball, what else do you expect it to be?
Hey Zlatanov...Zdravai (did i say that correctly).
Big week this week...I await with baited breath.
How goes school?
This Sheva stuff was reported in some British tabloid papers. No truth to it.
zlatanov
11-07-2005, 07:12
Zdravei, Hassan - you were very, very close :) :D
I am getting ready for my graduate school exams. :1avs: :dstup: :ilol:
How are things with you?
Yeah, this should be the week. So far nothing, but anyway I would expect them to announce it tomorrow at the earliest.
60 mil pounds for a 29 yo player isn't bad at all, but selling Sheva wouldn't be in Milan's style of doing business. Maybe if he has a bad season they would agree to sell him to CHelsea but now ... I just don't see it becoming reality. Plus, there were never any reports of this in Italy, only one Spanish paper and a couple of British ones.
Hasan Rossonero
11-07-2005, 07:17
Zdravei, Hassan - you were very, very close :) :D
I am getting ready for my graduate school exams. :1avs: :dstup: :ilol:
How are things with you?
Yeah, this should be the week. So far nothing, but anyway I would expect them to announce it tomorrow at the earliest.
60 mil pounds for a 29 yo player isn't bad at all, but selling Sheva wouldn't be in Milan's style of doing business. Maybe if he has a bad season they would agree to sell him to CHelsea but now ... I just don't see it becoming reality. Plus, there were never any reports of this in Italy, only one Spanish paper and a couple of British ones.
I am ok...I work as a software developer. Work is pretty hectic, presentation coming up soon.
What do you take?
Yeah I am waiting although I have a feeling Wendesday or Thursday might be the day.
zlatanov
11-07-2005, 07:28
I am ok...I work as a software developer. Work is pretty hectic, presentation coming up soon.
What do you take?
Yeah I am waiting although I have a feeling Wendesday or Thursday might be the day.
software developer? that's nice. I am getting a B.S. in physics and computer science but am going for grad school in physics ... and will see about comp sci later.
We just need to be patient. Even that back-stabbing bastard Moggi sais Gila is ours - if there is a merky combination somewhere in Italy, he knows best. :devf:
Hasan Rossonero
11-07-2005, 07:30
software developer? that's nice. I am getting a B.S. in physics and computer science but am going for grad school in physics ... and will see about comp sci later.
We just need to be patient. Even that back-stabbing bastard Moggi sais Gila is ours - if there is a merky combination somewhere in Italy, he knows best. :devf:
I don't know how you do physics man...it is one of the hardest disciplines.
Originally I wanted to do my grad work in English (literature). But after getting a degree in Economics (which I hated) I got another in Comp Sci. I now plan to go to school in the evenings to finish off my English literature degree (I am four courses away)...that is my true passion.
no player in the world is worth that much.... milan will be stupid to reject that offer if it appears.. even for 50m pounds, it is still too good to be true.
zlatanov
11-07-2005, 07:38
I don't know how you do physics man...it is one of the hardest disciplines.
Originally I wanted to do my grad work in English (literature). But after getting a degree in Economics (which I hated) I got another in Comp Sci. I now plan to go to school in the evenings to finish off my English literature degree (I am four courses away)...that is my true passion.
there might not be as much money in English Literature as there is in Comp Sci but it may make your life happier, if you follow your true passion - just a suggestion.
I remember reading Gianni Rivera's words: "I am a blessed man because my hobby was my profession." I can only hope that one day I will have a reason to say that too.
zlatanov
11-07-2005, 07:42
no player in the world is worth that much....
well, let's not forget it is Chelsea we are dealing with ... they were rumoured just a couple of days ago to had made an offer of 85 mil pounds to Barca for Ronaldinho.
I also think that not accepting 60 mil pounds for Sheva would be bad business but this has never been Milan's priority anyway ... it is just not in our style to sell our best players when they are still at their peak.
I strongly feel sheva might feel to move one after the world cup next year, he has a lot of admiration for Abramovic, plus i guess he has served our club more than we ould ask for for, if he is interested in a new journey, he should be allowed with no hard feelings. :3band:
i agree with khris but this isnt milans style, we rnt inter. n lets say we sell him, wut will we do with that money, buy a couple of big names that will turn into flops? sheva is proven n i think he has still a couple of years to go. to find sheva's replacement we wud have to get adriano or ronaldinho n they still wudnt do the job that he does. mayb it jus me but wenever we play without sheva it seems like we r less dangerous , imo he is the heart of milan. with maldini retiring, it will be risky to buy an excellent forward n defender next year.
pirlo2004
11-07-2005, 09:06
It is tribalfootball, what else do you expect it to be?
I'm unaware of there reputation but i'll take your advice, thanx :5ok:
pirlo2004
11-07-2005, 09:16
i agree with khris but this isnt milans style, we rnt inter. n lets say we sell him, wut will we do with that money, buy a couple of big names that will turn into flops? sheva is proven n i think he has still a couple of years to go. to find sheva's replacement we wud have to get adriano or ronaldinho n they still wudnt do the job that he does. mayb it jus me but wenever we play without sheva it seems like we r less dangerous , imo he is the heart of milan. with maldini retiring, it will be risky to buy an excellent forward n defender next year.
Gillardino scores more a season than both Adriano and Ronaldinho so why would it take 1 of them to replace Sheva?
Ronaldinho would be a good replacement for Seedorf but he couldn't replace a striker and even though Inter are stupid i really couldn't see them selling Adriano to us.
shevagol_7
11-07-2005, 09:36
This is just an attempt by the media to make a story out of nothing. Shevchenko will not leave Milan he has stated before he wants to retire in red and black. These rumours don't concern me, Berlusconi is not the kind of guy to sell our best players, at any price.
spanish media also said ronaldo is going to milan!! so... And we all know how big bastards are english papers and how often they make false alarms for english clubs. But, i read in sports papers in craotia that next year berlusconi will do everything to get ronaldinho and he might sell sheva. My oppinion is that sheva MUST STAY becouse you all saw how musc he means and how many games he wins on his own, gila cant do that, trust me! Without sheva we are 30% weaker, plus nexs season we will be withzout maldini,and probably cafu, if we loose sheva we are in really bad position...
This is just an attempt by the media to make a story out of nothing. Shevchenko will not leave Milan he has stated before he wants to retire in red and black. These rumours don't concern me, Berlusconi is not the kind of guy to sell our best players, at any price.
What this guy said... :)
Media speculation...its been rather quite this summer transfer season. I don't seem Milan selling Sheva. it has never been their possibility to sell a player at his peak...can't remember 1 worthwhile example of them doing this. The only way I see them going is if Sheva requests it.
What a partnership it will be Sheva & Gila ! 40 goals from the two of them....starting with none other than Chelsea in Boston. See you there.
Maldini_Sheva
11-07-2005, 10:18
Jezzz, I don't see any our management will let Sheva Leaving. I think Chelsea just want to break the concentration of many big teams by spreading $H!tless Rumours, but sorry you're got it at a wrong team. In the next champions league final (Paris), I want to see Milan meet Chelsea, and we beat them by a big margins. Let say 5/6 - 0
:D :D :D :D
Dr Milano
11-07-2005, 10:35
he wont go guys please dont go he wont man hes my favrioute player ever for milan and i always say to my mates shevchenkooo he just is priceless :5att: if milan sell him im gonna be upset very and i know others here will be too y would milan do this its lies man ive gotta belive it
pirlo2004
11-07-2005, 13:02
he wont go guys please dont go he wont man hes my favrioute player ever for milan and i always say to my mates shevchenkooo he just is priceless :5att: if milan sell him im gonna be upset very and i know others here will be too y would milan do this its lies man ive gotta belive it
God Milan have to keep him just for this guy's pain, i can see where your comin from though its a tricky 1 and i don't know where to stand, right now no 1 is better than Sheva but over the next 2 seasons were gonna lose alot of key players for next to nothin so would gettin £60 million be such a bad idea? i think he's only got 1 more season of his best then he's gonna start slowing up, its hard to admit but its gonna happen.
pirlo2004
11-07-2005, 13:05
spanish media also said ronaldo is going to milan!! so... And we all know how big bastards are english papers and how often they make false alarms for english clubs. But, i read in sports papers in craotia that next year berlusconi will do everything to get ronaldinho and he might sell sheva. My oppinion is that sheva MUST STAY becouse you all saw how musc he means and how many games he wins on his own, gila cant do that, trust me! Without sheva we are 30% weaker, plus nexs season we will be withzout maldini,and probably cafu, if we loose sheva we are in really bad position...
Gilla can't do what? he kept Parma up this season and has scored more than Sheva over the last 2 seasons, and thats with a sh1t midfield behind him, so with Pirlo and Kaka assisting him he'll be dynamite, yeah it might take him a few games to settle but it'll be worth it.
zlatanov
11-07-2005, 13:33
IMO, one of the few players - actually the only one I have in mind right now - who could successfully substitute Sheva is Gilardino. I honestly don't think there is something Sheva can do and Gila can't. Neither Adriano, nor Ronaldinho would be able to sub for Sheva the way Gila would, for they are very different than the Ukrainian.
I honestly doubt that THIS SEASON we would even consider selling Sheva even for 60 mil pounds. Next year, however, I wouldn't bet my life on it.
Maradona (10)
11-07-2005, 13:34
Comparing Gila to Shevchenko....please...
zlatanov
11-07-2005, 13:39
Comparing Gila to Shevchenko....please...
Who else do you have in mind? Oh, sorry I forgot, the automatic answer of every 10 yo football fan - viva Adriano.
Please, name a player more similar to SHeva than Gilardino. Actually, now that I think of it, how often have you seen Gila play?
Hasan Rossonero
11-07-2005, 13:40
Gila is adept in the air, can use both feet and can run at defences.
Adriano needs to develop his right foot.
Gila would be the best replacement.
Oh and at a more superficial level...Gila also has a penchant for scoring some of the most outrageous goals. If Sheva leaves (which I don't think he will) all these qualities will bring cheer to our front-line and fans.
pirlo2004
11-07-2005, 13:56
IMO, one of the few players - actually the only one I have in mind right now - who could successfully substitute Sheva is Gilardino. I honestly don't think there is something Sheva can do and Gila can't. Neither Adriano, nor Ronaldinho would be able to sub for Sheva the way Gila would, for they are very different than the Ukrainian.
I honestly doubt that THIS SEASON we would even consider selling Sheva even for 60 mil pounds. Next year, however, I wouldn't bet my life on it.
Exactly what i been gettin at, like i said Sheva is the best but he's gettin old, its hard to face but its reality. :nana:
Warro Bantan
11-07-2005, 14:24
Ok folks, lets all take off the silly hats, put down the drinks, and settle down.
Milan are (as has been previously mentioned) never sold a key player, unless that player wants away...I can quote Weah as a perfect example of this tendancy. He wouldnt have been sold, but was allowed to leave when he asked, and on a free...so he could maintain his high earnings.
Sheva has never said he wants away from Milan, and we have never (publicly at least) engendered any discussions for his sale.
So, what we have, in a quite abnormally slow transfer season, is speculation, and concoction of stories to:
a) Get/Maintain readership
b) to get people to post on fan sites...
(The more I think on it, is the more I think the Moderators were behind this rumor, as they try to refloat the site, and need to ensure a certain number of hits per day...so you do the math...come up with a spurilous rumor, feed some gullibles in the media, and presto..you have a 3 page and growing thread....:D )
Essentially, its crap...nothing more... :tired:
Hasan Rossonero
11-07-2005, 14:28
Ok folks, lets all take off the silly hats, put down the drinks, and settle down.
Milan are (as has been previously mentioned) never sold a key player, unless that player wants away...I can quote Weah as a perfect example of this tendancy. He wouldnt have been sold, but was allowed to leave when he asked, and on a free...so he could maintain his high earnings.
Sheva has never said he wants away from Milan, and we have never (publicly at least) engendered any discussions for his sale.
So, what we have, in a quite abnormally slow transfer season, is speculation, and concoction of stories to:
a) Get/Maintain readership
b) to get people to post on fan sites...
(The more I think on it, is the more I think the Moderators were behind this rumor, as they try to refloat the site, and need to ensure a certain number of hits per day...so you do the math...come up with a spurilous rumor, feed some gullibles in the media, and presto..you have a 3 page and growing thread....:D )
Essentially, its crap...nothing more... :tired:
Spurious indeed. Shevchenko will not leave this season notwithstanding any media talk.
Arildonardo
11-07-2005, 15:11
Please don't sell! We need a good team, not all the money in the world in the bank...
Some people say Shevchenko is "getting old", he turns 29 in september. He has at least 4 very good seasons left in him!
And... Why would we want to sell our best striker for £60 million when we only need 2 more millions to fund the capture of Gilardino. Let's sell Tomasson instead.
Anyway this article creeps me out, Chelsea don't want to give up it seems:
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jul11b.html
ACMILAN1983
11-07-2005, 16:06
I doubt Sheva will be sold this summer at any price. As has been said, Milan don't sell their best players and even moreso, we wouldn't sell such a key player when he's at his peak and considered the best forward in football.
However, next season or the season after, it may start becoming more realistic, as Sheva's market value will still be very high and it will be realistic to assume his form will begin dropping, with Gila coming more into the frame and taking the lead role. However, this is still quite unlikely imo as Sheva will be around 30 and knowing Milan lab, still be amongst the best and a key player, particularly for leadership and experience.
don't buy into the media spread frenzy.
killiegradge
11-07-2005, 16:12
Chelski are linked with all the top players.have reputedly bid for Ronaldhino(85 mill Euros),Adriano(100 Mill Euros) and now the sheva link-where will it end.If I am not mistaken there was also a report in the NofW linking Henry to Chelski-all rubbish or at least I hope the Sheva link is rubbish.Surely Milan would not sell him!28 is not old for a top player especially one who is known to look afetr himself.
i agree with khris but this isnt milans style, we rnt inter. n lets say we sell him, wut will we do with that money, buy a couple of big names that will turn into flops? sheva is proven n i think he has still a couple of years to go. to find sheva's replacement we wud have to get adriano or ronaldinho n they still wudnt do the job that he does. mayb it jus me but wenever we play without sheva it seems like we r less dangerous , imo he is the heart of milan. with maldini retiring, it will be risky to buy an excellent forward n defender next year.
WELL SAID!! how can any of you want to get rid of one of our icons?!
would you have wanted to get rid of baresi, van basten, maldini etc.. if you were offered a load of money?!
i think we should celebrate sheva`s loyalty and not sell him to someone else just because they threw a load of money at us.
one of the reasons why inter are so bad is because they don`t have the same consistency and loyalty like milan have had. players like maldini, sheva(and in the future kaka, gattuso, pirlo) help keep that "winning mentality" and focus in the squad.
also with shevchenko you never ever have to question whether or not he will be able to perform, such is his consistency and record.
players such as shevchenko should be revered around the world not just because hes a worldclass player but because unlike ferdinand (man utd fans should kill him) and to a lesser extent gerrard, he shows humility and loyalty to his club, milan, at a time in football when a players commitment is notorously questioned....
king sheva i hope for one sees out his contract with milan for the rest of his life....
Maradona (10)
11-07-2005, 16:46
Who else do you have in mind? Oh, sorry I forgot, the automatic answer of every 10 yo football fan - viva Adriano.
Please, name a player more similar to SHeva than Gilardino. Actually, now that I think of it, how often have you seen Gila play?
I have the same question for you. What games do you get in USA? Red Sox-Yankees?
Theres no comparison between the two, Shevchenko is special.
zlatanov
11-07-2005, 16:56
I have the same question for you. What games do you get in USA? Red Sox-Yankees?
Theres no comparison between the two, Shevchenko is special.
actually, I watch canadian satellite tv with all the big championships in the world - including your beloved argentinian apertura and clausura. I came in the US 5 years ago so I grew up in Europe and was already sold on football when I came to Boston. And believe me, there is hardly anyone outside of Italy who could watch more Italian Serie A than me - don't ask me how, cause I will not tell you but it has to do with using computers to watch ANY channel there is to watch, ppv included. :rone:
Yeah, SHeva is special, but my question to you was who, other than Gila, best compares to him given their qualities and abilities on the ball. You know, no matter how good Sheva is, he can't play for Milan forever, he has to be replaced by someone, just like he replaced Weah. So, who else, apart from Gila do you see capable to do this? I am pretty sure you would say Adriano, mostly because right now Argentinian strikers suck big time and it would be difficult for you plug any of them.
OK lets get a bit serious.
Gila is a nice palyer with great potential...
but how can we compare him so easily with OUR SHEVA.
i know that the price of 100m is huge..
but i really think that noone can really replace sheva in our hearts.
i also know that with this money we can buy great players.
(and i dont mean oddo and bonera stuff!!!)
we all had the same dream all this time
a dream trio
----KAKA----
GILA--SHEVA
DONT GIVE UP!
P.S.we should only sell Sheva
for Ronaldinho,Puyol and Gila
(for all of them...)
Maradona (10)
11-07-2005, 17:59
I read Bulgarians are pretty good, maybe they can replace Sheva.
Hasan Rossonero
11-07-2005, 18:05
I read Bulgarians are pretty good, maybe they can replace Sheva.
come on man take it easy...let's not fight...Rossonero siamo noi
Maradona (10)
11-07-2005, 18:20
Im tired of the "I know it all", "you are always wrong" from Bulgaria.
Reading that Gilardino is as good as Sheva made my day.
gilardino is overrated right now. we are getting carried away...he has yet to play in a big team and we are already hailing him as a replacement for shevchenko?!?!?! with all due respect, you know how absurd that sounds.
pirlo2004
11-07-2005, 19:00
Im tired of the "I know it all", "you are always wrong" from Bulgaria.
Reading that Gilardino is as good as Sheva made my day.
If you read properly he didn't say Gilla was as good as Sheva he said who else compares and no one has give him an answer yet and thats because he's right you could say Henry but he's a totaly different player some people have mentioned Ronaldinho, he isn't even a striker and then there's Adriano who yes is good but misses to many chances, Gillardino obviously does compare if you look at his record over the past 2 seasons he scored more league goals than Shevcenko adding the fact he got less assists.
Its hard to take i agree but its life, we thought we'd never get over Van basten and Gullit and Baresi and all the others but in came Sheva and Kaka and Nesta and Pirlo, i think the only player Milan can never truly replace is Maldini but again its gonna have to happen and soon :5hoest:
i think the only player Milan can never truly replace is Maldini but again its gonna have to happen and soon :5hoest:
actually, the only player Milan still hasn't replaced and will never be able to is Franco Baresi.
actually, the only player Milan still hasn't replaced and will never be able to is Franco Baresi.
Nesta? I think he has done a good job for us, Franco's Character will be irreplaceable but i think Nesta is doing a great job in keeping milan's tradition.
I think Berbatov could replace Sheva....
Jokes aside...
Gilardino probably does not assist as much as Sheva does. I can distinctly remember this past season quite a few of Crespo and Jon Dahl's goal being handed to them by Sheva.
i think it is absurb to reject 60m pounds for sheva.. he can be replaced by gilardino, maybe gila is not as good as sheva but it will be close. i understand if barca reject chelsea's offer at any price for ronaldinho, but not in sheva's case.
what we should do is sell sheva for 60m pounds(preferably after gilardino is ours) and sell tomasson(because he is a burden) and buy one cheap and experienced striker, such as di natale, di michele, lucarelli, luca toni..
and our strike force is complete!
had milan won the CL last season, milan would not sell sheva at any price, but situation changes quickly..
devoted_dm
12-07-2005, 02:01
There is something I have been thinking about, which makes me believe that we are just dealing with rumours here:
If Gila was brought in to replace Sheva, then why didn't we sell Sheva first and then use some of that money to buy Gila? I mean, we knew all along that Parma would sell if we could meet their price, so he would definitely be ours if we could afford to meet Parma's asking price. If we wanted to sell Sheva to Chelsea for £60 million, we would definitely be able to afford the Parma striker.
Instead there were meetings with Berlusconi and whatnot about accumulating the funds to purchase Gila, which would have been totally unneccessary if we already had the money we needed because we were selling Sheva and replacing him with Gila.
I think Milan will offload a striker. Jon Dahl Tomasson. But not Sheva. That would be idiotic. A club like Milan does just not sell the best ****ing striker in the world.
tbouks02
12-07-2005, 02:50
I think we can weed out all the newbie Milan fans from the real Milan fans in this thread :rolleyes:
Sheva will not be sold. First of all, he is the best striker in the world at the moment. How do you replace the best striker in the world? Simple, you don't. Secondly, Berlusconi is very close to Sheva. His bond with Sheva is more than just professional. Money is not a factor in selling Sheva. Thirdly, Milan missed out on Van Basten's peak years when he had to retire due to injury. I can't see them giving Sheva's peak years to another club. Fourthly, the goal going into every new season is to improve the team. How does replacing Crespo and Sheva with Vieri and Gila improve the squad?
Besides all that it, it would piss off the fans. Other than Paolo, Sheva is the symbol of Milan and is the fans favorite. I fear what would happen if Sheva is sold. Never has our best player been sold in their prime. This sort of thing happens at the smaller clubs (and Juve :D ) but not Milan.
Hasan Rossonero
12-07-2005, 05:21
I don't think Sheva will be sold. But 60 m is a lot of money for any 29-year-old player and IF IF he was sold we could ultimately cope.
I think Nesta is mroe 'unsellable' than Sheva because there is a dearth of quality central defenders in world football.
i think milan have been trying to obtain as much profit as they can by being patient. Few months ago , gilardino's price is 35mpounds, now become 20mpounds! and at about the same time, milan reject chelsea bid for sheva at any price! Milan's bad defeat in CL final plays a major part in this saga i think, sheva missed 3 chances+1 penalty kick that he normally buried in important matches, which confirms that nothing is impossible in football.
now it is almost certain that gila is ours,milan welcome chelsea bid and 60mpounds for sheva is too hard to refuse. i am not saying sheva is finished, he is still good, but cant get any better. i think there is no better time to get that amount for a single player in milan history! no other club's chairman admire sheva as much as abramovich, and he prepares to pay that much.
vieri, gilardino, inzaghi + another decent striker(not tomasson!) will be ok!
that is just my personal opinion..if at the end i am wrong, i dont bother.
and i am not a newbie milan fan.
pirlo2004
12-07-2005, 06:18
Jokes aside...
Gilardino probably does not assist as much as Sheva does. I can distinctly remember this past season quite a few of Crespo and Jon Dahl's goal being handed to them by Sheva.
Getting assists not making them, you should read properly b4 you speak
devoted_dm
12-07-2005, 06:19
If we sell Sheva, we can forget about winning anything next season.
Seriously.
I would be afraid to face the coming season with Gila, Vieri, Pippo and Tomasson as our strikers. A young, raw diamond. A lazy, coke-snorting bastard. A player we love for his enthusiasm, but who hasn't played to the max of his abilities in almost three years. And a Dane who was never good enough for us to begin with.
No. We MUST keep our Golden Ball winner.
pirlo2004
12-07-2005, 06:27
actually, the only player Milan still hasn't replaced and will never be able to is Franco Baresi.
Nesta, he's the best in the world
pirlo2004
12-07-2005, 06:30
If we sell Sheva, we can forget about winning anything next season.
Seriously.
I would be afraid to face the coming season with Gila, Vieri, Pippo and Tomasson as our strikers. A young, raw diamond. A lazy, coke-snorting bastard. A player we love for his enthusiasm, but who hasn't played to the max of his abilities in almost three years. And a Dane who was never good enough for us to begin with.
No. We MUST keep our Golden Ball winner.
This is a great post
come on man take it easy...let's not fight...Rossonero siamo noi
i think MARADONA(10) is right,Hasan.
many members in this forum
easily forget how much has Sheva contributed to Milan...
RESPECT....
sheva=milan all this years...
Hasan Rossonero
12-07-2005, 07:35
i think MARADONA(10) is right,Hasan.
many members in this forum
easily forget how much has Sheva contributed to Milan...
RESPECT....
sheva=milan all this years...
absolutely the guy has been extremely valuable.
But I think the point was that IF he was to leave Gilardino would come closest to replacing him. That's all.
Sheva is the man. He is loyal and a gem of a player.
Nesta? I think he has done a good job for us, Franco's Character will be irreplaceable but i think Nesta is doing a great job in keeping milan's tradition.
not even close.
i have seen both nesta and baresi play and i can see how you compare the two however, nesta had made some glaring mistakes (and i won't bring up individual games) that I never saw baresi make. Baresi made Maldini who he is today. I can't imagine Nesta being able to influence a style of play over any other player next to him. Nesta is good but he is no Baresi.
Ross Oneri
12-07-2005, 08:01
From tribalfootball:
"Parma striker Alberto Gilardino will sign for AC Milan in the next 48 hours - if not sooner.
It's been revealed Milan have scheduled a Thursday morning medical for the 23 year-old striker, fueling talk that a transfer fee has been agreed with Parma for the player."
:5schal: :5schal: :5schal: :5schal: :5schal:
sheva is irreplaceble because he is a complete striker. he can use his head, he can deke, shoot from anywhere, and even get by defenses. Tell me one striker we can replace him with.
hitmannq8
12-07-2005, 08:07
Sheva will never leave us :), if and only if and huge IF.. IF galliani decides to sell him it wont be for anything below £100
zlatanov
12-07-2005, 08:13
But I think the point was that IF he was to leave Gilardino would come closest to replacing him. That's all.
this is someone, who actually bothers reading posts from start to finish. many thanks. :sagrin: :cheers:
zlatanov
12-07-2005, 08:23
sheva is irreplaceble because he is a complete striker. he can use his head, he can deke, shoot from anywhere, and even get by defenses. Tell me one striker we can replace him with.
Alberto Gilardino. I take it that many Serie A fans around here watch mostly Milan games from Serie A and haven't watched that closely what Gila has been doing for a below average Parma team for the past 2 years.
I just found this link http://www.footballclips.net/alberto_gilardino - courtesy of MM member m1ke - in the "Alberto Gilardino to Milan??" thread. You can download tha file and unzip it with winRar.
Watch it carefully and tell us what you see. Isn't this what a complete striker is all about? Have you seen Henry, Adriano, and even Ronaldinho employ such a rich array of ways to score goals? And btw this guy just became 23 - his birthday was 5-6 days ago.
EDIT: You DO need to get all 3 files in order for winRar to unzip the file.
This thread really scares me. We just cant loose sheva as he is 30% of our squad. And next year even if we sell him, the only man who can fill that gap in ronaldinho, even if he is not a forward. But right now we have to keep him, coz sheva and gila will rock! And those bitches and bastards in torino will not touch us, aldough they will have awesome team next year. But, we should sell maybe tomasson this year and save some money fro next coz we will loose some important players next season. SHEVA WILL STAY!!!
pirlo2004
12-07-2005, 09:02
absolutely the guy has been extremely valuable.
But I think the point was that IF he was to leave Gilardino would come closest to replacing him. That's all.
Sheva is the man. He is loyal and a gem of a player.
This is a guy who has read properly as he responded with a sensible answer, we know Sheva is the best and no one can touch him but Gilla is the closest thing.
Can we get a quoting-tribalfootball-gives-automatic-ban -rule on this forum?
:D
vickirin
12-07-2005, 09:27
Sheva will not leave you can't buy feelings right now he is the heartbeat of Milan. :5att:
Warro Bantan
12-07-2005, 09:34
Well done Mods...5 pages and going...I knew it was you guys that leaked the story to the press...now you are sure to get whatever sponsorship you were aiming for....:D
Christopher
12-07-2005, 09:37
Can we get a quoting-tribalfootball-gives-automatic-ban -rule on this forum?
:D
This should is true, channel 4 also produces a lot of hogwash too. :5dito:
Dr Milano
12-07-2005, 10:03
Milan without sheva man im gonna worry and not feel settled ill tell you that much
pirlo2004
12-07-2005, 10:28
Milan without sheva man im gonna worry and not feel settled ill tell you that much
It wont happen mate it's all media speculation and this post has gotten well out of hand people getting bitchy and mis-reading everything, he's gonna stay and him and Gila will conquer the world
This should is true, channel 4 also produces a lot of hogwash too. :5dito:
Nah, Channel4.com don't 'produce' it, they are just quick to jump on the 'quoting-boat', if you catch my drift...
Christopher
12-07-2005, 12:52
Nah, Channel4.com don't 'produce' it, they are just quick to jump on the 'quoting-boat', if you catch my drift...
true, however it does ruin their creditbility . . . they sound redicullous inffering that Milan would sell Sheva. :1old:
some of u would want to sell sheva??? ... ur crazy... i wouldnt trade 10 ronaldinhos for sheva... infact if anyone its ronaldinho whos overrated
Dr Milano
12-07-2005, 14:13
some of u would want to sell sheva??? ... ur crazy... i wouldnt trade 10 ronaldinhos for sheva... infact if anyone its ronaldinho whos overratedmk18 to be honest with u mate the people who want to sell him are not milan fans or at least not true how could we get rid of sheva
Dr Milano
12-07-2005, 14:15
It wont happen mate it's all media speculation and this post has gotten well out of hand people getting bitchy and mis-reading everything, he's gonna stay and him and Gila will conquer the world
yehhhhhhhh mate thanx for giving me confidence back actually i want veiri and sheva to rule the worldddddddd
zlatanov
12-07-2005, 14:18
some of u would want to sell sheva??? ... ur crazy... i wouldnt trade 10 ronaldinhos for sheva... infact if anyone its ronaldinho whos overrated
Actually, as far as I remember there wasn't a single person in this whole thread, who wanted Milan to sell Sheva, but I do remember a lot of people, who seemed to read the first couple of words from a post and then got busy replying to it, no matter whether they fully understood the idea or not.
Dr Milano
12-07-2005, 14:22
[QUOTE=zlatanov]Actually, as far as I remember there wasn't a single person in this whole thread, who wanted Milan to sell Sheva,[ quote
] True i dont think any one has but i just took his word for it
Warro Bantan
12-07-2005, 14:49
Ahh...silly season at its best...! :D
dossantos22
12-07-2005, 15:13
I hope that won't leave Milano in This moment when Gila coming.
With him and Gila Milan Again will be best
True he is a goog friend fith Roman but Milan is his Favourite Club
I can imagine Milan withou Sheva
He is the best Player in 2004 And we couldn't forget all what he did for Milan
and for us
I hope that next year he will be our number7 and gila number11
SHEVA STAY PLEASE
DON"T LEAVE US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:5att:
shevagol_7
12-07-2005, 16:02
i think milan have been trying to obtain as much profit as they can by being patient. Few months ago , gilardino's price is 35mpounds, now become 20mpounds! and at about the same time, milan reject chelsea bid for sheva at any price! Milan's bad defeat in CL final plays a major part in this saga i think, sheva missed 3 chances+1 penalty kick that he normally buried in important matches, which confirms that nothing is impossible in football.
now it is almost certain that gila is ours,milan welcome chelsea bid and 60mpounds for sheva is too hard to refuse. i am not saying sheva is finished, he is still good, but cant get any better. i think there is no better time to get that amount for a single player in milan history! no other club's chairman admire sheva as much as abramovich, and he prepares to pay that much.
vieri, gilardino, inzaghi + another decent striker(not tomasson!) will be ok!
One bad game doesn't warrant his sale. Let's not forget Shevchenko's goals in previous rounds which helped us get to the final. Sheva wasn't even that bad in the CL final. He set up Crespo's first and had a perfectly good goal called off. It would be absurd to sell him, he is the best striker on the face of the planet. He wants to stay in Milan, and Milan want him to stay, end of story!
Milan3869
12-07-2005, 21:49
some of u would want to sell sheva??? ... ur crazy... i wouldnt trade 10 ronaldinhos for sheva... infact if anyone its ronaldinho whos overrated
i agree....sheva is way better than ronaldinho...thats why we got KAKA!!
no player is bigger than ac milan, if milan sell sheva, then let it be, if not it is ok too. ronaldinho is not overrated, come on, had he played for milan , there was no way u would say he was overrated.
now lets see if tomorrow would be the day that some users here said milan would confirm gila's purchase.
no player is bigger than ac milan, if milan sell sheva, then let it be, if not it is ok too. ronaldinho is not overrated, come on, had he played for milan , there was no way u would say he was overrated.
now lets see if tomorrow would be the day that some users here said milan would confirm gila's purchase.
yes he is, after he won fifa player of the year his performance level went down alot!!! ... yet still everyone keeps praising him, he always does a trick but that doesnt make u any better... he has a bad game but pulls of a trick and everyone forgets his performance... im not saying hes bad, hes phenomenal on his day but give him credit where its due and dont over do it
Dr Milano
13-07-2005, 13:02
yes he is, after he won fifa player of the year his performance level went down alot!!! ... yet still everyone keeps praising him, he always does a trick but that doesnt make u any better... he has a bad game but pulls of a trick and everyone forgets his performance... im not saying hes bad, hes phenomenal on his day but give him credit where its due and dont over do itandddddd guess what hes goofy
freddydaddy7
14-07-2005, 01:35
Let me add something when u bring in Gila, Vieri and Joko to the team and that shows 2 things Milan are just lookin at winning the CL and the Sucddeto and that’s what they care right now no way on earth will they be selling Sheva coz he is a symbol of Milan and with him Berlusconi in charge nothing can make him sell Sheva coz he is what Milan is now and will lead us to our next CL and Sucddeto and maybe his country to win the world cup ( big if)
Milan3869
14-07-2005, 02:03
yeah i guarantee sheva has a great world cup....he's a milano till death!!!
:5schal:
freddydaddy7
14-07-2005, 02:59
he will be a Great success in the world cup
devoted_dm
14-07-2005, 06:16
Well, Sheva is definitely not leaving us. This is a quote by Galliani from acmilan.com:
"Sheva? It is true, Peter Kenyon has recently made an offer for him but it is also true that we have always answered them in the same way, that is saying that our striker is unmovable."
And then Sheva himself: "I am a Milan player. I don't know anything about Chelsea offers, I just know what I want. To remain and come back to our winning ways, after swallowing a nut to crack."
freddydaddy7
14-07-2005, 07:18
thats true he aint leavina nd his gone get us more madels and player of the year next year
when Will Chelsea Learn To **** Off?!?!
pirlo2004
14-07-2005, 12:17
Ahh...silly season at its best...! :D
Well said :cheers:
Dr Milano
14-07-2005, 12:55
when Will Chelsea Learn To **** Off?!?!
i dont think soooo them ba*ta*ds
hitmannq8
15-07-2005, 07:22
Peter Kenyon needs to be kidnapped. He pisses me off.
**** Chelsea and Peter Kenyon! Sheva is going to stay with us!
Dr Milano
15-07-2005, 10:17
**** Chelsea and Peter Kenyon! Sheva is going to stay with us!
tooo right man :dstup: :dstup: :angf: :angf: :angf: :angf: :angf: arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hhhhh
morinho is a ANd Chelsea just have to get players cause we all know chealsea were crap from start dont we
Peachtot
15-07-2005, 10:41
calm down fellas..
i have no doubt that sheva will stay at least for this season
Christopher
15-07-2005, 10:53
i think he will retire a rossonero . .. i can't picture him wearing another teams jeresey.
Just remember this: MILAN IS NOT A TEAM! WE ARE A FAMILY! :proud: You don't quit from the family. Some children leave, but they are always part of the family. :proud:
Christopher
15-07-2005, 11:22
CAN YOU FEEL THE LOVE TONIGHT!!!!! :5130:
talk about sappy . . . I need to do this just for my own sanity this isn't directed at anyone . . . :5dito:
direct it at chelsea, i dont think anyone minds that
Milan3869
20-07-2005, 18:37
**** Chelsea !!!!!!!
freddydaddy7
21-07-2005, 02:01
Well Said Xudong Milan is not just a team but a family every member knows when he is down his family will take care of him and no matter wat milan will never keep u in the dark
Maldini_Sheva
21-07-2005, 10:56
I'm sick and tired hearing this BULLSH!T!!!!!! It won't never everrrrrr happened. Sheva is and will always ours. so Chelsea you better hands off Sheva. Before something bad going to happened.
hitmannq8
21-07-2005, 14:59
please lock this topic
g (http://www.milanfan.com/cutenews/data/upimages/shevchenko4.jpg) :5schal:
Andrei Shevchenko says he has no intention of moving to Chelsea.
The Milan striker has long been coveted by Blues supremo Roman Abramovich, but even his spending power has never been able to lever the Ukrainian away from the Giuseppe Meazza.
However, Chelsea were handed renewed hope of landing Shevchenko after an Italian camera crew caught him and coach Carlo Ancelotti apparently rowing .
Ancelotti was reportedly unhappy with Shevchenko's decision to undergo surgery last week, which ruled him out of their pre-season trip to America.
Despite this, Shevchenko has stated he does not want to move to West London and his talk with Ancelotti has changed nothing.
"I don't want to go to Chelsea. I want to stay here," Shevchenko told Sky Sports News.
"I love Milan and Milan loves me.
"I had a discussion with Carlo Ancelotti about the decision to have my face operated again. I need to have metal pieces removed from my face.
"I have done nothing wrong. I discussed with Milan's surgeon that it was possible, and we decided on surgery.
"There was obviously a lack of communication with the coach. I thought he had been told. He hadn't. It's not my fault.
"Ancelotti was angry about it, and I understood it, because he thought there was a delay. I tried to explain everything to him, and I think everything is clear now."
Ancelotti has also dismissed speculation about Shevchenko's future.
"Sheva remains a fundamental player for us and I can assure he will surely remain at Milan," said Ancelotti.
"It was a normal talk between a player and his coach, not bounded to his surgery."
Dr Milano
24-07-2005, 15:14
g (http://www.milanfan.com/cutenews/data/upimages/shevchenko4.jpg) :5schal:
Andrei Shevchenko says he has no intention of moving to Chelsea.
The Milan striker has long been coveted by Blues supremo Roman Abramovich, but even his spending power has never been able to lever the Ukrainian away from the Giuseppe Meazza.
However, Chelsea were handed renewed hope of landing Shevchenko after an Italian camera crew caught him and coach Carlo Ancelotti apparently rowing .
Ancelotti was reportedly unhappy with Shevchenko's decision to undergo surgery last week, which ruled him out of their pre-season trip to America.
Despite this, Shevchenko has stated he does not want to move to West London and his talk with Ancelotti has changed nothing.
"I don't want to go to Chelsea. I want to stay here," Shevchenko told Sky Sports News.
"I love Milan and Milan loves me.
"I had a discussion with Carlo Ancelotti about the decision to have my face operated again. I need to have metal pieces removed from my face.
"I have done nothing wrong. I discussed with Milan's surgeon that it was possible, and we decided on surgery.
"There was obviously a lack of communication with the coach. I thought he had been told. He hadn't. It's not my fault.
"Ancelotti was angry about it, and I understood it, because he thought there was a delay. I tried to explain everything to him, and I think everything is clear now."
Ancelotti has also dismissed speculation about Shevchenko's future.
"Sheva remains a fundamental player for us and I can assure he will surely remain at Milan," said Ancelotti.
"It was a normal talk between a player and his coach, not bounded to his surgery."thier you go guys :delol: :cheers: :p286: nice one sheva is ours
sljiva_os
24-07-2005, 16:22
selling Shevchenko is rediculous idea... he is staying in Milan.. He is the best striker in the world and we need him, Shevchenko and Gilardino i think that everybody should be affreid of that duo!
Roger Nolli
24-07-2005, 19:41
Sheva no! Stay here! We need you!
thank you habebe
cool silwani back
welcome to MM, and 3ashat filisteen (palestine)!!! :wave:
freddydaddy7
25-07-2005, 08:10
Close this Thread done and finished sheva is here to stay and he aint goin any place done for life
SHEVCHENKO: 'Milan, I don't leave you'
7/25/2005
MILAN - Andriy Shevchenko, speaking with Tuttosport, has cleared his position after the rumours of an alleged argument with Carlo Ancelotti. He said: ’How many foolish things I've heard these days, Ancelotti and I spoke about personal questions. I've not changed and will never change! I have my principles, firm-based ones, I always say what I think. I made my choice for present and future time ago, and this is Milan, where I continue to feel at ease.'
http://www.acmilan.com/index.aspx
humanTORCH
25-07-2005, 09:02
moderators could you do something as the posters tend to use large text which is unnecessary be it on the reply or their sig.
Thanks.
SHEVCHENKO: 'Milan, I don't leave you'
7/25/2005
MILAN - Andriy Shevchenko, speaking with Tuttosport, has cleared his
position after the rumours of an alleged argument with Carlo
Ancelotti. He said: 'How many foolish things I've heard these days,
Ancelotti and I spoke about personal questions. I've not changed and
will never change! I have my principles, firm-based ones, I always say
what I think. I made my choice for present and future time ago, and
this is Milan, where I continue to feel at ease.'
Forza Milan
Forza Sheva
:u125: :u125:
It's unbelievable how naive some people are in here.
Oh and check calciomercato, more rumours of us selling him next season ... just to stir things up again :ilol:
freddydaddy7
26-07-2005, 09:22
here is here done and let the chelsea pay all he has and he aint leavin maybe i will go insted of him lol
ForzaMilan'88
26-07-2005, 11:13
Latest news on the Sheva saga... Then again... as I have learnt from some of you... its likely BS cuz its from tribalfootball.com...
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Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich is set to offer AC Milan £55 million for striker Andrei Shevchenko.
L'Equipe says Abramovich is determined to test Milan's resolve after last week's heated bust-up between Shevchenko and coach Carlo Ancelotti.
The Blues bid outstrips what Real Madrid paid Juventus for Zinedine Zidane and is sure to be considered by Milan following the double striker signings of Christian Vieri and Alberto Gilardino in the last fortnight. Milan vice-president Adriano Galliani had to seek the green light from patron Silvio Berlusconi to sign Gilardino and the Champions League finalists are concerned with their transfer cash flow.
It's been suggested should they accept Abramovich's record bid, Milan will immediately turn to the Spanish market and make an offer for either Barcelona ace Ronaldinho or Atletico Madrid captain Fernando Torres.
pirlo2004
26-07-2005, 11:28
Latest news on the Sheva saga... Then again... as I have learnt from some of you... its likely BS cuz its from tribalfootball.com...
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Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich is set to offer AC Milan £55 million for striker Andrei Shevchenko.
L'Equipe says Abramovich is determined to test Milan's resolve after last week's heated bust-up between Shevchenko and coach Carlo Ancelotti.
The Blues bid outstrips what Real Madrid paid Juventus for Zinedine Zidane and is sure to be considered by Milan following the double striker signings of Christian Vieri and Alberto Gilardino in the last fortnight. Milan vice-president Adriano Galliani had to seek the green light from patron Silvio Berlusconi to sign Gilardino and the Champions League finalists are concerned with their transfer cash flow.
It's been suggested should they accept Abramovich's record bid, Milan will immediately turn to the Spanish market and make an offer for either Barcelona ace Ronaldinho or Atletico Madrid captain Fernando Torres.
Its all lies, plus Torres is over-rated, Ronaldinho would be a good signing but barca would not sell him so its all just speculation again.
ForzaMilan'88
26-07-2005, 11:36
Torres is over-rated, Ronaldinho would be a good signing but barca would not sell him so its all just speculation again.
I agree the probable new signings are total speculation, but what about Chelski's renewed offer? I believe Abramovich is shameless enough to make a 2nd bid despite Milan making it clear the first time.
Milan vice-president Adriano Galliani had to seek the green light from patron Silvio Berlusconi to sign Gilardino and the Champions League finalists are concerned with their transfer cash flow.
what cash flow??? were the third or fourth richest club in the world ... the guy who wrote this is talking out of his a$$
.. why is it so hard for abrahmovic to understand 2 simple words: f*ck off!!!
English press (The Sun, The Mirror) are at it again today.
That Sheva could be sold to CF and that Sheva, Maldini (and Carlo) are not friends anymore.
pirlo2004
27-07-2005, 02:49
English press (The Sun, The Mirror) are at it again today.
That Sheva could be sold to CF and that Sheva, Maldini (and Carlo) are not friends anymore.
Yeah but you have to worrie now papers like the telegraph are talking cause they are not the type of paper to print rumors, for the first time i actually feel worried........
CF has now said that they havn´t made any offers to buy Sheva.
Will take what The Sun and The Mirror write with a grain of salt. But during the transferperiod anything can happen, so sometimes you cannot help to feel unsure.
:)
Warro Bantan
27-07-2005, 11:41
I heard on Sky Sports News last nite, that Chelsea have decleard that they have not made an improved bid for Sheva...so..there you have it...another installment of the silly season...Further proof:
From channel4.com
Chelsea deny Sheva bid
Wednesday 27 July, 2005
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Chelsea have issued a statement denying that they have made an offer for Milan striker Andriy Shevchenko.
The Blues have linked with the Ballon d’Or winner since Roman Abramovich took control of the club in 2003.
While these have always been seen as rumours, the recent alleged bust-up between Shevchenko and Coach Carlo Ancelotti has added fuel to the fire.
"It is our policy not to comment on speculation linking Chelsea to players,” read a statement.
“But there are continuing, and totally incorrect, reports regarding Shevchenko that only serve to destabilise those players already at Chelsea.
“The club have made it quite clear that we are seeking to bring in one more player and we have also made it clear that this will be a midfield player, if it happens.
“We are not seeking to sign a forward and we have total confidence in those we have."
Reports had suggested that Chelsea would offer around £60m for the Ukraine international
OFFICIAL A.C. MILAN ANNOUNCEMENT
7/28/2005
MILAN – With respect to what has been published today in the English press, A.C. Milan categorically refutes being in negotiation with Chelsea FC for the transfer of Andriy Shevchenko. In aiming to clear up any outstanding speculation, A.C. Milan repeat that the player is not for transfer.
ha very good news on Sheva!!!He is staying 100000%
OFFICIAL A.C. MILAN ANNOUNCEMENT
MILAN – With respect to what has been published today in the English press, A.C. Milan categorically refutes being in negotiation with Chelsea FC for the transfer of Andriy Shevchenko. In aiming to clear up any outstanding speculation, A.C. Milan repeat that the player is not for transfer.
ForzaMilan'88
10-08-2005, 13:02
Abramovich is really beginning to p*ss me off. Why can't he just back off!!!
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Chelsea offer to double £55M Shevchenko's AC Milan wages
August 10, 2005
Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich is offering Andrei Shevchenko to double his current AC Milan wages to move to Stamford Bridge before the summer transfer window shuts.
Corriere dello Sport says Abramovich is making a final bid for Ukraine international Shevchenko with a contract offer worth £7 million-a-year - double what he is earning with Milan.
Chelsea's original £55 million bid remains on the table and now Abramovich is banking on Shevchenko asking away to speed up negotiations.
Milan's capture of Christian Vieri and Alberto Gilardino, plus their renewed interest for AS Roma striker Antonio Cassano, has fueled speculation this week that they're preparing to sell Shevchenko before the market closes at the end of the month.
Milan3869
10-08-2005, 14:54
i doubt this goes through...whats the source??
Someone needs to explain this ****ty russian that sheva in NOT FOR SALE!!!!! He can buy all the ****in english players he wants! Does this man have any pride?? He could learn something from Paolo or Baresi.... ****in idiot!! :angf:
No worries people. Sheva is not for sale and does not want to leave.
Warro Bantan
10-08-2005, 16:51
Cant we close this thread already?
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