View Full Version : Defenders that we need to buy
hitmannq8
05-10-2005, 19:23
Its obvious to everyone that our back line is ageing and we do need young replacements for them. The names we have been linked with are alot, but the ones i can remember at the top of my head are Cicinho, Alex, Chivu, Felipe, Dellas, Oddo, Kompany and more..
Post all the rumours involving the defenders we intend to buy in the future.
Sheva-gila just made a post saying Cicinho might join Milan in January, but i highly doubt that as real have first option on him.
Alex, news in the past couple of days indicate that we are trying to get him for january, no confirmed reports yet..
Chivu, just rumours, same with Felipe
Dellas went to Greece, we can forget about him
Oddo we were linked with all summer but we failed to land him at the end..
Kompany we seem to have first-option on, but he wants to go to Chelsea.
A new rumour i just read ifrom calciomercato nvolves Sagnol and Cris!
Cesare Maldini va a caccia degli eredi del figlio Paolo, di Stam e di Cafu.Conferme su Cris del Lione, in Italia restano nel mirino Chivu e Felipe. Ma a gennaio potrebbe arrivare Alex dal PSV e Sagol potrebbe rappresentare un ottimo affare perchè svincolato.
it means that Cesare maldini is looking for replacements for Paolo, Stam, and Cafu. Confirmations on Cris of Lyon, and in Italy of Chivu and Felipe. In january there is the chance of the arrival of Alex, but Sagnol is the best option because he is svincolato (dunno what that means, maybe free?)
I always feel like Chivu has been destined to play for us, I know that sounds silly as there have only been speculative rumours but that's how it feels.
I dont think that cris is good enough, chivu is my favore for this one...
Nirvana FC
06-10-2005, 19:04
I dont think that cris is good enough, chivu is my favore for this one...
Cris is HORRIBLE! For God sake! Is this a joke?
i think we need a RB and a CB in the next 2 years and id go for oddo then sagnol for RB and alex then chivu for CB
the others i pray we dont get
Brasileiro
06-10-2005, 21:57
Cris is HORRIBLE! For God sake! Is this a joke?
You´re right, Nirvana FC...here in Brazil Cris was S***!!! To be fair, he´s playng good in Lyon, but he´s not Milan material...I also hope that this is a joke...
hitmannq8
09-10-2005, 13:39
Gallas today stated that he was told by someone that 'wearing an AC Milan shirt indicates that you were successful'.. he also stated that he is tempted to leave Chelsea but he is not sure.. would be a good addition IMO, he's versatile, young compared to Maldini, Cafu, Stam? yes, but he is 28, he's got 5 or 6 years ahead of him tops.. We r looking for a long-term replacement for Paulo, i really think Kompany would be the best choice..
Gio-mania
09-10-2005, 13:42
GALLAS
thats the way to go....... he's awesome.
but he's not going to be enough, chivu's good- but he and gallas cover the same spot. Kompany still seems young- if we could buy him and loan him to a smaller team for serie experience....
alex would be a good move too!!!!
GALLAS
thats the way to go....... he's awesome.
but he's not going to be enough, chivu's good- but he and gallas cover the same spot. Kompany still seems young- if we could buy him and loan him to a smaller team for serie experience....
You don't pay 10+ million euros to sign the most sought after defender in Europe just to send him on loan. He's played in the Champions League and at international level for a number of years. He's not going to learn anything playing for Reggina or Ascoli.
Dr Milano
09-10-2005, 16:11
We have been linked with many many defenders this season Chivu . Oddo . cicinho . felipe . gallas and a few others i guess i really want milan to sign most of them our defence is too old know and im irretated although i dont mind maldini though
GALLAS
thats the way to go....... he's awesome.
but he's not going to be enough, chivu's good- but he and gallas cover the same spot. Kompany still seems young- if we could buy him and loan him to a smaller team for serie experience....
alex would be a good move too!!!!
this attitude is beginning to set in at Chelsea, he's the 3rd player this season to be unhappy at being merely a small part in a bigger plan, it's going to be quite fun to watch this summer. Any big team expressing an interest in someone like Robben or Carvalho or who knows who else might find it more productive than you'd expect given the player is from the "richest" team in the world (of course they are not really the richest but they do seem to be the team prepared to throw the most money about).
If Barcelona for example stated Robben as an aim it would be quite interesting, Robben has said twice this season the squad rotation system is not for him. What would chelsea do if it's stars wanted out? just buy more?
Id love to see Kompany and Miguel from Valencia both come to Milan. Gallas is good, but if we are soon to lose probably the best leftback and rightback soon, then I want to see the next super defender Kompany coming not Gallas. Iv watched a little of Miguel this season and Im very impressed. :dstup: Hes way better than Oddo who isnt good enough for us.
Don't underrate Gallas people. :) He's fast, good in the air, quick reflexes and a superb man-marker. Ideal combo with Nesta. It would be a massive transfer if he becomes a rossonero. :devs:
this attitude is beginning to set in at Chelsea, he's the 3rd player this season to be unhappy at being merely a small part in a bigger plan, it's going to be quite fun to watch this summer. Any big team expressing an interest in someone like Robben or Carvalho or who knows who else might find it more productive than you'd expect given the player is from the "richest" team in the world (of course they are not really the richest but they do seem to be the team prepared to throw the most money about).
If Barcelona for example stated Robben as an aim it would be quite interesting, Robben has said twice this season the squad rotation system is not for him. What would chelsea do if it's stars wanted out? just buy more?
There is no issue here, some of them are playing at a big club for the first time in their careers and they're not used to sitting on the bench. It would be no different if they left Chelsea for Barca, Real Madrid, Juve or Milan. Gallas has said he wants to leave for some time. He's been in London for 5 years now so it shouldn't be a surprise.
slicknick
10-10-2005, 00:11
the others i pray we dont get
Why not? I think Kompany could very well be an excellent defender in a few years of time....
kompany will flop ... milan have been smart in the tranfer market in terms of gong for defenders, it always better to go for experience and we proved it... gallas is the best choice, i tihnk we should go for him/alex and oddo/sagnol
hitmannq8
11-10-2005, 09:26
Mario Yepes, 29-yr-old colombian defender from Paris Saint German is the latest to be linked
hitmannq8
13-10-2005, 13:49
Today on calciomercato.com, it said that Braida wants to get Perea from Atletico! Maybe the rumours with Torres started because Braida flew to watch Perea play, but they thought he went for Torres.
That's great news anyway. Parea is mature player. Enough good to play for our side. he is 26 IMO, therefore we can not call him a toungster. It would nice trasfer if we get him. However there is one question, how much will cost to us, or Atletico will give him to us for free, regarding they owe some mony for us.
Colombian revolution in Milan :tong: :star:
PS: the site of Atletico is very impressive, you must visit.
www.clubatleticodemadrid.com/es
slicknick
14-10-2005, 08:55
kompany will flop ... milan have been smart in the tranfer market in terms of gong for defenders, it always better to go for experience and we proved it... gallas is the best choice, i tihnk we should go for him/alex and oddo/sagnol
But then again Alex is not that experienced either
P.S. I do not want Yepes, hope he does not sign for Milan
zlatanov
14-10-2005, 09:08
But then again Alex is not that experienced either
Alex is 4 years older than Kompany - 23 vs 19 - and this isn't nothing at all. Kompany is still at an age where a lot of things can happen for he is still maturing, as for Alex, at 23 he is beyond that period and could be considered a grown up man now.
I personally would prefer Milan go for someone at least 25 yo, but when it comes to a dif in experience strictly between Alex and Kompany, it is pretty obvious, IMO.
hitmannq8
14-10-2005, 12:47
calciomercato today stated that we Cesare Maldini found us the ideal defender, Fredrik Stromstad
But then again Alex is not that experienced either
P.S. I do not want Yepes, hope he does not sign for Milan
true but hes the best choice out there IMO, and he won more than kompany has, plus just looking at his performance u could feel he would do well with milan, its instinct, i cant explain it
hitmannq8
15-10-2005, 13:20
Here's a translated document from calciomercato!
According to what it restores the French printing the Milan, that should rejuvenate the defence, would have individualized like objective one number the defender Cris of the Lyons. Besides the Brazilian one there are other two football player on the notebook of Ancelotti, it is discussed of Alex of the PSV and of Gallas of the Chelsea. In the last weeks it seems that the interest for Alex and Gallas is weakened itself, while Cris seems is ascended in top to the strip of the desires of the rossoneri. "I do not know nothing - says Cris - and then I played already in Champions and for this motive I will not be able to to be used". But it does not end here because the defenders in the viewfinder of the observatories rossoneri there is also the colombian Mario Yepes. "I have relations with Milan and I should know if us pits of the interest for Mario - says Jean-Michel Moutier of the PSV -. However Mario will not leave the club during the winter market. To today it is not on the market".
To summarize what the article says: Cris is our primary objective, then comes Alex and Gallas who our interest has weakened. But then there is also Mario Yepes. But i do not understand what PSV has to do with this, maybe it was a typo and they meant PSG.
Brasileiro
15-10-2005, 21:10
Here's a translated document from calciomercato!
According to what it restores the French printing the Milan, that should rejuvenate the defence, would have individualized like objective one number the defender Cris of the Lyons. Besides the Brazilian one there are other two football player on the notebook of Ancelotti, it is discussed of Alex of the PSV and of Gallas of the Chelsea. In the last weeks it seems that the interest for Alex and Gallas is weakened itself, while Cris seems is ascended in top to the strip of the desires of the rossoneri. "I do not know nothing - says Cris - and then I played already in Champions and for this motive I will not be able to to be used". But it does not end here because the defenders in the viewfinder of the observatories rossoneri there is also the colombian Mario Yepes. "I have relations with Milan and I should know if us pits of the interest for Mario - says Jean-Michel Moutier of the PSV -. However Mario will not leave the club during the winter market. To today it is not on the market".
To summarize what the article says: Cris is our primary objective, then comes Alex and Gallas who our interest has weakened. But then there is also Mario Yepes. But i do not understand what PSV has to do with this, maybe it was a typo and they meant PSG.
Cris??? :finger: Man, as brazilian I wish the best for Cris, BUT NOT IN MILAN!!! To be fair, as I writed in other post, he´s playing good in Lyon, but he´s not Milan material. I hope this is just a smoke screen by Braida, or a BS rumor...
slicknick
16-10-2005, 01:56
true but hes the best choice out there IMO, and he won more than kompany has, plus just looking at his performance u could feel he would do well with milan, its instinct, i cant explain it
Yes, that I agree with...
P.S. Zlatanov, I know he is 4 years older than Kompany is but that does not make him an experienced player. He is more experienced in comparison to Kompany but he is not "EXPERIENCED" ...
Cris???.....could be the next roque junior....
NOOOOOOO.......
zlatanov
16-10-2005, 13:26
Yes, that I agree with...
P.S. Zlatanov, I know he is 4 years older than Kompany is but that does not make him an experienced player. He is more experienced in comparison to Kompany but he is not "EXPERIENCED" ...
if you read my post a bot more carefully you will see that I meant exactly that :5ok: .
Alex is not a player I would take immediately into the first 11 for Milan, however, if it comes to choosing a young player (less than 24), he is the one I would go for as Kompany is more or less still a kid compared to the Brazilian.
Dr Milano
16-10-2005, 16:40
if you read my post a bot more carefully you will see that I meant exactly that :5ok: .
Alex is not a player I would take immediately into the first 11 for Milan, however, if it comes to choosing a young player (less than 24), he is the one I would go for as Kompany is more or less still a kid compared to the Brazilian.
ok good point
hitmannq8
25-10-2005, 14:13
After the rumours of Stam leaving, here are the players that we were linked to as of today:
Kompany, Chivu, Alex, and Felipe - but these all will be cuptied from Champions League
Bonera and Perea - will be available for selection in champions league
some defenders
-kompany(anderlecht)
-chivu(roma)
-alex(psv)
-Jason Vandelannoite(Club brugge) > born 1986 now he has injury, i expect him as the new kompany
-woodgate(real madrid)
-arthur => defensive midfielder (sao paulo)==> hot prospect
this are payable players imo. maybe chivu is really expensive
Who I would recommend (including some whose names I mention every year :w143: ). Before posting, I must admit I haven't read most of the above posts.
Marco Zoro (Messina). A real tough tackling right back who looks really good in Sicily, and could be a worthwhile replacement for Cafu. I don't rate Oddo too highly before anyone asks.
Juan (Bayer Leverkusen). I always liked his ball playing ability, and feel he could be an exceptionally useful central defender for us. In Brazil I heard they always used to see him as superior to Lucio, who always gets mentioned in "best defender" disputes. I like him quite a bit.
Daniele Bonera (Parma). The only one of the new generation of Italian defenders who impresses me at all. The rest look overhyped and a pale shadow of what went before. Plus, he wouldn't be cuptied for the Champions League, assuming of course we make it past the group stage. Something he shares with Zoro of course. :rock3:
Aside from these, whom I believe to be obtainable, I'm open to suggestions.
http://www.kicker.de/content/news/artikel.asp?folder=3100&object=322738&liga=1&saison=2005%2F06&spieltag=11&gruppe=19343 (german speaking source)
It seems Sagnol to leave Bayern, he hope's to replace Cafu. It would be a great sign, Sagnol doing very well in Munich!
hitmannq8
27-10-2005, 14:54
zlatanov will be happy after he reads that source :)
zlatanov
27-10-2005, 15:42
everyone who has seen him play for BBayern will be happy if he does end up in Milan :)
if oddo isnt available then i would be very happy
id love it if we buy oddo/sagnol + alex/chivu + ballack for next season
Nirvana FC
28-10-2005, 13:07
if oddo isnt available then i would be very happy
id love it if we buy oddo/sagnol + alex/chivu + ballack for next season
If we get oddo/sagnol + alex/chivu + ballack + Gallas it'll will be just perfect!
hitmannq8
28-10-2005, 14:29
But lets stop dreaming now :)
Today we are being linked with Reveilliere from Lyon. I do not know how good he is but in fantasy football he always gets me points from assists and goals!
I am starting to believe more and more that Ballack will not be coming to Milan. Im convinced that Seedorf on form is much more useful to our system than Ballack. Also, we are not being linked with him anymore. I do not know if this is going to be a surprise move by Braida, but i really dont see any "NEED" in getting Ballack at all. Our midfield to me is perfect, and every replacement is even more perfect. Seedorf + Jankulovski for left midfield. Vogel + Pirlo for "pirlo's role", Gattuso + Ambro for right of midfield, and Kaka + Rui for tetraquartista. I really think there is no other midfield in the world with our depth.
Finally a name that deserves to be linked to Milan. Please, galliani, make it so :sweeteye:
wtf sagnol. omfg, he is not good. if u think so... hmmmm
i kno now 2 young youngster in belgium jupilar league.
-kompany(anderlecht)
-Jason Vandelannoite(Club brugge)
man i am no fan of club but this 1 is to good for that team :p.
he played in 1 champions league(first of this season). but now injured
I was talking about who hitman was talking about - Reveillère.
But for central defence Id love to see us sign Kompany aswel
Reveilliere is a class player. I've watched Lyon many times and he's always put in an impressive performance. He can beat players, is quite pacy and can run up and down all game, an ideal replacement for Cafu. Oh and he can defend and tackle, which are the important bits i guess for a defender :D
If we could find someone as good as Reveilliere, Sagnol or Oddo for the left-back position aswell, we'd be well set.
If i could pick and choose, i'd take Reveilliere, Alex, Chivu and Sorin. One player for each position. Let Stam go home, Simic can leave, Billy can retire with grace and Kaladze can either stay and fight or we can get a younger player to replace him.
I can't claim to have watched Lyon too often, but I'm willing to trust Jim's opinion on this. But wasn't he rejected by Valencia a couple of years back?
I don't actually rate Oddo too highly as a potential signing. He will be 30 by next July, at which point we are most likely to sign him. He isn't a definite Italy starter, with the distinctly average Christian Zaccardo ahead of him in the queue. Not, in my opinion, the kind of player we need. Too old to develop into a top class full back.
As for prifess suggestions, the Belgian league is simply sh!t. Kompany has been ridiculously overhyped IMO, as he has played consistently moderately in an Anderlecht side which has lost ten Champions League games in a row. I think his hyping is the result of a Belgian sports media desperate at the nation's footballing fortunes and looking to him as a saviour. I haven't seen anything about him which makes him worth the hype. As for the other guy you suggest, I haven't seen him play but I'm willing to guess he can't be too good if he's playing in belgium.
i will debate further options once they are suggested. I really love shooting down people's favourite players :u56:
I think you're right Rab, Reveilliere did go to Valencia for a bit but failed. However, i think that was a few years ago when he was still reasonably young (he's only 26 now). So i guess that might raise the question of adapting to Serie A life, no one knows that for sure, but of the times he plays in the Champion's League, he seems to do quite well. He certainly kept Roberto Carlos in his pocket and gave him some problems when Lyon stuffed Madrid a few weeks ago :D
He was only loaned to Valencia and its important to consider that Valencia arent in the CL, while Lyon are one of the better teams in the competition.
He was at Valencia several years ago when they were at the very top, and he didn't make it past Angloma, who was 35.
On the profile it said he went there half way through the season and "fited in smoothly". Including getting to the CL quaterfinals, but because Valencia didnt qualify maybe they thought they couldnt afford his fee. Regardless, since then Valencia have been in the Uefa Cup while his new club are out performing the likes of Real, Juventus and Man U.
http://www.uefa.com/competitions/UCL/Players/Player=30666/index.html
Hey rab since you like shooting down players :diablo: what do you think of Mexes, I havent seen much of him recently. Have you watched Kompany play or are you just shooting him down for the sake of it :devf: I havent had a chance my self, but hopefully against Liverpool I will.
I'm always wary of the airbrushed tat they say in website profiles.
I think he's a useful player, but nothing special.
hitmannq8
04-11-2005, 15:35
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/nov4i.html
Nelson keen on Rossoneri!
Ive never heard of him before and Benfica will be convinced by a 3m transfer, this is why I feel this is the most likely transfer to occur.. Anyone seen him play?
as it looks by the latest performances Alex from PSV looks like a real potential, then kompany after him. About this new guy from Benfica i dont know anything so i'll leave it that way...
hitmannq8
10-11-2005, 12:40
http://www.calciomercato.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=102418
Aubey knows of the interest of Man Utd, Milan and PSG. All he said is that his idols are Nesta and Cannavaro and that he wants to play as a centre-back. He plays for Franch U21 NT. He is 21 yrs old, and originally from Congo.
Samaldinho
10-11-2005, 13:47
Mexes is a fantastic center back, and while Roma has the likes of Chivu, Kuffor, and Cufre all capable of playing in the center, perhaps Mexes could become a reasonable transfer, as I feel that Chivu is not.
He is finally playing like he should have, but, I don't think anyone at Roma really could have played well at the back considering the turmoil they had, but now, they are one of Serie A's meanest defenses.
Christian Panucci is an awesome right back, but he's stay put unfortunatley, but, it is amazing why Lippi can't look past their spat and include clearly, the best right back in Italy and arguably one of the top right backs in the world, into Italy's team.
But back to Mexes: He'd do well at Milan, espiecially next to Nesta who is more of a calmer more subdued defender and with the guiding of Maldini and Nesta, Costacurta, why not? If not, Matteo Ferrari is another great option, the guy oozes class, and like Mexes and the rest of Roma's defense [save Cufre and Panucci] had torrid seasons last year, and I feel Ferrari or Mexes would do well at Milan, maybe both? Perhaps with the issues revolving around Mexes and his transfer, Roma would like to make some money and get rid of him and his head ache, maybe offer Simic in exchange so Simic can get the first team football he deserves?
Another right back I think is FANTASTIC is PSG's Bernard Mendy, would replace Cafu perfectly, and I think he's an amazing right back, simply amazing. Pace, shoots forward, controls the ball extremely well, and was giving Brazil all sorts of hell when France played them last year. While I also feel that Marseille's Habib Beye is another amazing right back, while PAOK's Amir Azmy can play across the back line, and has done well as a left back as well, while also I really really like Gallas, I don't understand why anyone would not want him at Milan. Plays across the back line, would finally give the back line some pace much needed pace and wants to come to Milan, what more can you ask for?
My picks for transfers:
Mexes [Roma]
Gallas [Chelsea]
Mendy [PSG]
Azmy [PAOK]
I can see Stam, Costacurta, maybe Simic, all leaving this summer, Cafu retiring or becoming less effective. Azmy can play across the back line, offering attack and awesome long range free-kicks without the mistakes of Kaladze, as can Gallas, Mexes to maintain the middle and be groomed by Maldini to partner Nesta, Mendy to learn from Cafu, making the backline look like this:
Mendy--Nesta--Maldini--Gallas
Maldini might fizzle out, Gallas could move center, or stay left as needed, Mexes would be a great presence in the middle with Nesta, I think those four would make Milan have an invincable back line.
hitmannq8
10-11-2005, 16:32
I think Cafu-Stam-Nesta-Maldini is far more invinsible than that lineup :/
but yea, i can see Cafu retirinng next season or being less effective..i'd really prefer Cicinho, but seeing as he is destined for real, maybe Mendy could be a good option.. but dont rule out Trabelsi who will be free next summer :)
I can't claim to have watched Lyon too often, but I'm willing to trust Jim's opinion on this. But wasn't he rejected by Valencia a couple of years back?
I don't actually rate Oddo too highly as a potential signing. He will be 30 by next July, at which point we are most likely to sign him. He isn't a definite Italy starter, with the distinctly average Christian Zaccardo ahead of him in the queue. Not, in my opinion, the kind of player we need. Too old to develop into a top class full back.
As for prifess suggestions, the Belgian league is simply sh!t. Kompany has been ridiculously overhyped IMO, as he has played consistently moderately in an Anderlecht side which has lost ten Champions League games in a row. I think his hyping is the result of a Belgian sports media desperate at the nation's footballing fortunes and looking to him as a saviour. I haven't seen anything about him which makes him worth the hype. As for the other guy you suggest, I haven't seen him play but I'm willing to guess he can't be too good if he's playing in belgium.
i will debate further options once they are suggested. I really love shooting down people's favourite players :u56:
so because that 17-year old guy plays in belgium, he can't be good ? What's that for a statement ??
Besides, in comparison to the dutch league, the belgian league is almost the same level. Anderlecht and Club Brugge are maybe not that good as PSV, but are not weaker then Ajax and Feyenoord for example. Anderlecht eliminated PSV 4 years ago from the CL, Club Brugge eliminated Ajax in 2003 and they have won in ..... San Siro against Milan.
The U21 belgian team is likely to qualify for European Championship in 2006, after they ended 1st in their group before Spain and Serbia, and after they defeated Ukraine with 2-3 in Kiev. So there is surely a lot of young talent in Belgium, although it is true that belgian football in general is in a valley at the moment (National team not qualified for a world cup for the 1st time since 1978, Anderlecht lost 10 times at a row in the CL, ...). But still, there is enough talent in belgium for the future, but the problem is teams overhere prefer cheap, average foreigners instead of giving own youth chances.
Kompany will surely be a world class player, and Van de Borre (Anderlecht) and indeed maybe Vandelanoitte (Brugge) can become that.
My choices are Alex, Barzagli for central defence, and Mancini of Roma to learn from Cafu.
That will do for next season in defence.
Chivu is over-rated.
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