View Full Version : Ivan Helguera ???
Warro Bantan
04-10-2005, 13:21
From the Guardian:http://football.guardian.co.uk/breakingnews/feedstory/0,14546,-5320655,00.html
Helguera keen to stay at Real but prepared for worst
MADRID, Oct 4 (Reuters) - Defender Ivan Helguera, whose Real Madrid contract expires next June, is keen to sign a new deal with the club.
"All I want to do is to stay at Real Madrid," the centre-back told a news conference on Tuesday. "At the moment I'm not thinking about leaving but I know there is always that chance.
"I'm 30 years old and I know the way football works. Last season it happened to (Luis) Figo and it could happen to me this time round.
"All I'm certain about is I want to play football for many years to come and I hope I can do that here. But if I can't I'll do it somewhere else."
Former World and European Footballer of the Year Figo had a year left on his contract with the Spanish club when he signed for Inter Milan in August.
Helguera is unconcerned Real have not talked to him about renewing his contract, although the club have already approached David Beckham about extending his deal and the England captain's agreement does not end until a year later.
"David is a great player and I hope he stays with the club for a long time because that's what he wants," said the Spaniard.
"But I shouldn't be worried about what is happening with other players. My affairs are separate and I'll have to look after them and see what happens."
Helguera has been a fixture in the first team since joining Real from Espanyol in 1999, winning two league titles and two European Cups.
Ok, so he is older (which makes him a perfect target for Milan) approaching the to end his contract, which could mean a Bosman transfer (which makes him a perfect target for Milan) and I say, why not?
I have always liked him, and he is without question a talented Defensive midfielder, to the point where Madrid has him at CB on occasion.
As to who he would replace...think no further than Rino..though its been so long since I have seen him in the midfield, I cant say with any surity that he still runs hard.
All in all, though there are no rumors supporting or denying a possible Milan move, I for one, would love to see him in Red and Black candy stripes! :firedev:
Helguera was ****, is **** and will always be a ****ty defender..... enough with these old, free players. A new and world class defender is needed.
Warro Bantan
04-10-2005, 17:39
Helguera was ****, is **** and will always be a ****ty defender..... enough with these old, free players. A new and world class defender is needed.
Ahh mrki, I forget that there is an overabundance of readily available young defensive talent out there, coming at little or no cost to Milan.
Sheesh! How could I forget that? I mean, Chivu, Kompany, Alex etc etc are all lining up, their clubs are saying: "Come and get em!" and we can get them for little and nothing.
I admit that it is your right to express your opinion, and hey, no probs with that, but how objective is your statement? The man has won everything there is to win at club level, was in the side that beat Milan 5-0 in Milan, during our centenary celebrations, and you still think he is ****?
What do you want, a Nesta-Maldini-Terry amalgam/clone?
Gimmie a break. Helguera is a world class player, and though you are entitled to your view, I must say I disagree with you, BIG time.
But, we can always agree to disagree cant we?
Oh, and dont mention Mr Always. Injured, aka Chivu ok? Please, he is overrated, and plays less than 50% of domestic games for most of the clubs he has played for, and isnt any better than Helguera in my opinion.
Plus, Helguera is multifaceted, and can play both DM and CB. (though I would opt for him as a DM)
Milanium
04-10-2005, 20:26
I find Helguera a solid, determined fella :r14: , a little too arrogant for my style but I find him very effective and not with too much of age decay shown (physical decline), could fit into milan defense although not a guy that would revolutionize it.
zlatanov
04-10-2005, 22:31
I wouldn't mind getting Helguera for free - he is a very, very good player, who I think will feel much more at home with Milan. At Real, with their chaotically attacking tactics, he is often left to cope alone with the opposition and lacks the cover and backing of his teammates. At Milan, it would be a very different story.
He isn't a bad defender but I think his primary role is that of a holding midfielder and he could fit in well in Pirlo's role or that of Gattuso or maybe even Seedorf's too. All in all, I wouldn't mind him coming to Milan especially if he is for free.
Capello has also very high esteem for Helguera from his Roma days, and he is rarely wrong about these things.
rossoneroid
05-10-2005, 00:01
Probably he'll demand a high salary here.
Warro Bantan
05-10-2005, 11:20
Probably he'll demand a high salary here.
Ahh, but unlike some players I could mention (like eeeediat.....V :greed: ) he would be worth it.
Madridista?! No, thanx :yuck:
Ahh mrki, I forget that there is an overabundance of readily available young defensive talent out there, coming at little or no cost to Milan.
Sheesh! How could I forget that? I mean, Chivu, Kompany, Alex etc etc are all lining up, their clubs are saying: "Come and get em!" and we can get them for little and nothing.
I admit that it is your right to express your opinion, and hey, no probs with that, but how objective is your statement? The man has won everything there is to win at club level, was in the side that beat Milan 5-0 in Milan, during our centenary celebrations, and you still think he is ****?
What do you want, a Nesta-Maldini-Terry amalgam/clone?
Gimmie a break. Helguera is a world class player, and though you are entitled to your view, I must say I disagree with you, BIG time.
But, we can always agree to disagree cant we?
Oh, and dont mention Mr Always. Injured, aka Chivu ok? Please, he is overrated, and plays less than 50% of domestic games for most of the clubs he has played for, and isnt any better than Helguera in my opinion.
Plus, Helguera is multifaceted, and can play both DM and CB. (though I would opt for him as a DM)
please, please....spare me your sarcazam...not classy at all..
When was the last time you saw helguera playing as a DM in Real Madrid? they bought Gravesen and this other guy ( dont know his name ), becouse helguera sucks in that position. Of course Im not saying I expect terry or cannavaro ( did I say that?? :p231: ), but if Helguera is milan's solution for our clear defenceive problems then...hell with all of it. And how, for the love of god, is Helguera better player than chivu?? Chivu had bad season, was injured, but the man is a real class. And its not like I've seen him just few times. Unless we are in some serous financial trouble we need to spend some quality money on oue defence, helguera is 30, he is ok ( I said he was ****, but ment he cant play for milan), still, he cant cope with serie a. Plus, milan will never go for him. Chivu, kompany, alex... aguess we are strong enough to bring one of them to the club, i dont say yes to anything less... :firedev: It is not nesessary to spend money the stupid way like chelsky does, but you cant get real quality without it...
Warro Bantan
05-10-2005, 13:15
please, please....spare me your sarcazam...not classy at all.. Not classy? Ok, so your: "he is ****", "always is ****" is the real example of class? Spare, or even spear me...puhleeeease! :sagrin: :w186:
When was the last time you saw helguera playing as a DM in Real Madrid? they bought Gravesen and this other guy ( dont know his name ), becouse helguera sucks in that position. ...
Quite the contrary mrki, he was moved back to CB because they didnt have quality cover in that position...remember the year of the failed Woodgate, and Pavon was their only other starter after the great Hierro left the club. The other guy, is P. Garcia from Uruguay (wasnt he a former Milan player as well?)
Of course Im not saying I expect terry or cannavaro ( did I say that?? :p231: ) no, but I didnt insinuate that you did either... :dconf:
but if Helguera is milan's solution for our clear defenceive problems then...hell with all of it. And how, for the love of god, is Helguera better player than chivu?? Maybe not as good, but almost...and we would get him for FREE!...and Helguera is rarely injured..unlike some players I could mention...
Chivu had bad season, was injured, but the man is a real class. Class what? Class clown? Or in an "injury prone" class by himself? :D Ok, in all seriousness, he is a good player, maybe better at CB than Helguera, but I wouldnt want him (Chivu) in Milan primarily because of his tendancy to pick up injuries that see him miss the majority of the season.
And its not like I've seen him just few times. Unless we are in some serous financial trouble we need to spend some quality money on oue defence, helguera is 30, he is ok ( I said he was ****, but ment he cant play for milan), still, he cant cope with serie a. And you know this because...
a) you have played against him?
b) your previous employment as a talent scout for Serie A clubs makes you an authority?
c) you have seen extensive matches of Real vs Italian opponents showing how clueless he is against Italian clubs?
d) All the above?
e) None of the above?
Plus, milan will never go for him. And this you know because you had lunch with Braida and C. Maldini yesterday? No sorry, I forget that you debrief :d6: Berlu every morning on player availability...and he obviously told you that Helguera isnt Milan quality.
Chivu, kompany, alex... aguess we are strong enough to bring one of them to the club, i dont say yes to anything less... :firedev: It is not nesessary to spend money the stupid way like chelsky does, but you cant get real quality without it...
I hear you, but again, Helguera on a free, so, getting him, plus one of the aforementioned...doesnt sound like a bad day´s work to me... :crazy:
Dr Milano
05-10-2005, 15:02
Get him a good defensive midfielder i guess Very Solid and is free which is the best thing plus i see he will be more effective than that piece of sh!t Gattuso
Not classy? Ok, so your: "he is ****", "always is ****" is the real example of class? Spare, or even spear me...puhleeeease! :sagrin: :w186:
Quite the contrary mrki, he was moved back to CB because they didnt have quality cover in that position...remember the year of the failed Woodgate, and Pavon was their only other starter after the great Hierro left the club. The other guy, is P. Garcia from Uruguay (wasnt he a former Milan player as well?)
no, but I didnt insinuate that you did either... :dconf:
Maybe not as good, but almost...and we would get him for FREE!...and Helguera is rarely injured..unlike some players I could mention...
Class what? Class clown? Or in an "injury prone" class by himself? :D Ok, in all seriousness, he is a good player, maybe better at CB than Helguera, but I wouldnt want him (Chivu) in Milan primarily because of his tendancy to pick up injuries that see him miss the majority of the season.
And you know this because...
a) you have played against him?
b) your previous employment as a talent scout for Serie A clubs makes you an authority?
c) you have seen extensive matches of Real vs Italian opponents showing how clueless he is against Italian clubs?
d) All the above?
e) None of the above?
And this you know because you had lunch with Braida and C. Maldini yesterday? No sorry, I forget that you debrief :d6: Berlu every morning on player availability...and he obviously told you that Helguera isnt Milan quality.
I hear you, but again, Helguera on a free, so, getting him, plus one of the aforementioned...doesnt sound like a bad day´s work to me... :crazy:
yeee...... i dont wanna talk about this, no point.
You prefer helguera, i say he cant play well in milan, ok. If he comes we'll se, but he will not.
Warro Bantan
05-10-2005, 15:34
yeee...... i dont wanna talk about this, no point.
You prefer helguera, i say he cant play well in milan, ok. If he comes we'll se, but he will not.
Ok by me! We are entitled to different opinions my friend, that is part of what makes the world go round, and no two people will see eye to eye on everything. :wow:
shevagol_7
05-10-2005, 16:49
Get him a good defensive midfielder i guess Very Solid and is free which is the best thing plus i see he will be more effective than that piece of sh!t Gattuso
Gattuso is not a piece of sh!t! If he was playing at Madrid or Manchester he would be considered one of the best in the world. I think it's terrible to put our players down after years of consistantly performing.
sheva-gila
05-10-2005, 16:58
wowwwwwwww guys u gonna make milan older and older than we gonna win everythin.dont wory.
helguera was always a great defender, only unlucky to be with a weak real!
but i dont think hell succeed here
We don't need Helguera who is already 30 right now and not the type we seek.
Dr Milano
06-10-2005, 11:57
Gattuso is not a piece of sh!t! If he was playing at Madrid or Manchester he would be considered one of the best in the world. I think it's terrible to put our players down after years of consistantly performing.
lol i cud well see this coming Milan fans love gattuso so much i am milan fan but hate him infact im making a poll for this
Arildonardo
11-11-2005, 06:50
Oh my god... Please let this only be a stupid rumour!
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/nov11e.html
HeadFlick
11-11-2005, 07:19
This thread fits into this other... http://www.milanmania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=19055&highlight=ivan+helguera
I also hope that is not for real!!!... :5milan: ...I know I'm a little biased but I'd rather Italians or at least serie A defenders... that can defend in seria A... :swars: :3band:
is our managment blind or something????? he is 30!
Warro Bantan
11-11-2005, 09:21
Do I see a merge coming?
ACMILAN1983
11-11-2005, 12:08
I think you do see a merge coming Warro ;)
Threads have been merged as both are about the same topic :D
Samaldinho
11-11-2005, 12:21
Ahh mrki, I forget that there is an overabundance of readily available young defensive talent out there, coming at little or no cost to Milan.
Sheesh! How could I forget that? I mean, Chivu, Kompany, Alex etc etc are all lining up, their clubs are saying: "Come and get em!" and we can get them for little and nothing.
I admit that it is your right to express your opinion, and hey, no probs with that, but how objective is your statement? The man has won everything there is to win at club level, was in the side that beat Milan 5-0 in Milan, during our centenary celebrations, and you still think he is ****?
What do you want, a Nesta-Maldini-Terry amalgam/clone?
Gimmie a break. Helguera is a world class player, and though you are entitled to your view, I must say I disagree with you, BIG time.
But, we can always agree to disagree cant we?
Oh, and dont mention Mr Always. Injured, aka Chivu ok? Please, he is overrated, and plays less than 50% of domestic games for most of the clubs he has played for, and isnt any better than Helguera in my opinion.
Plus, Helguera is multifaceted, and can play both DM and CB. (though I would opt for him as a DM)
Helguera, world-class? How's that? The man has been dropped by the Spain setup, he is a player, who like Terry, was/is over rated by a certain Makelele playing infront of him, who has a habit of making any defender look world class.
He is an undynamic player, static, without any true pace, and plays for a Real Madrid backline that, prior to the acquisition of Sergio Ramos, an actual defensive midfielder and the addition of the incredibily talented Sergio Ramos, has allowed him to look a little beter this season, but, still he is an average defender, who loves making huge mistakes at the worst time.
At what point has a Spanish defender, let alone any kind of Spanish player, ever made an impact in Italy? When? I'm sure there is someone, somewhere, but I can't think of anyone. Even Gaizka Mendieta didn't do well in Italy, Mendieta!
Plus, we have to look no further then his time at AS Roma, where he was horrendous, and I can't imagine why anyone would ever want to snatch up Helguera, if he comes to Milan, it'll be a sad, sad day. Would you actually want to see Jaap Stam go next summer [for totally acceptable reasons, family is important] for Ivan Helguera? Come on..
Bosniaco
11-11-2005, 12:31
Just A Rumor People Who Would Want Him At 30? Other Side Mayebe We Do Because He Is Free !!!!!!!!!
hitmannq8
11-11-2005, 12:50
If we wanted a defensive midfielder for free and at that age, we must not even look towards Helguera as there is Ballack. But if we want a defender, I believe there is Trabelsi who will be for free. I dont see any reason why we should get Helguera, he will be another Simic.
GilAttack [11]
11-11-2005, 14:37
I think he would be a nice addition, especially on a free transfer. Dont forget he plays for Real....they can make any defender look bad. I wouldnt mind Helguera at Milan.
Guys, I am so dissappointed by some of your comments...
Gattuso is not ***t... he's Ringhio... he runs after the enemy and bites hard.
But back to the topic... Helguera in Milan???? give me a break...
Warro, I would only understand your "promotion efforts" if you were getting paid comission ($$$) as Helguera's agent... please tell me this is the case...
RMadrid doesn't make its defenders look bad... it is because of those defenders that their team is a mess (with the total support of their managers, our course, including Sacchi)...
Helguera is as classy as Nesta (if Nesta had only one leg, and no vision)
Samaldinho
11-11-2005, 15:30
Helguera another Simic? What's wrong with Simic? He's an AWESOME defender, I don't know why Milan never plays him, when Milan won the Champions League last time, it was with Simic playing a huge role, playing in 13 games in the run in, only injury taking him away from the final [I believe].
Helguera is no where NEAR the class of Simic, Simic is a player Milan really should play more often, I do'nt know why he stays without playing while he's a full international for Croatia even without playing.
Warro Bantan
11-11-2005, 15:33
SANT, I am not at liberty to discuss my professional relationship with Helguera, other than to say I represent his intrests in this forum. :D
For years Helguera was a fixture in the Spanish national team, if I recall recent WCups. He is intelligent, scores with regularity (for a DM or CB), and is a good ball winner. He may not be the fastest guy on the pitch, and yes, Makelele will make any defender or DM look good, but I stand by my opinion that he would be a welcome addition to the squad, even moreso if he came on a Free.
Ivan, when fit, which is usually the case, is for me, is an excellent player, and I wont continue to sing his praises, lest more questions are raised as to our "non-professional" relationship. :D
Suffice it to say, that this is my opinion, and I dont expect everyone here, or even most people here, to agree with me. This a forum, and the one thing we all have undisputably in common, is that we are milan fans, or phans, as the case may be.
The bottom line therefore is that those that dont agree with my opinion, are entitled to do so. If and when he comes here, his good performances, or lack thereof, will prove whose opinion was correct, and who will be sharing slices of humble pie.
Warro Bantan
11-11-2005, 15:41
Simic is a player Milan really should play more often, I do'nt know why he stays without playing while he's a full international for Croatia even without playing.
Wont go into your opinion that Simic is better than Helguera, but I want to add my 5 cents of opinion as to why I think we dont play the Croatian international more:
I believe that it is because he isnt very tactically astute. He tackles well (usually) but Milan is an extremely tactically involved side, and maybe Carlo sees his tactical deficiencies in training, and thus is reluctant to start him.
Another thing, is that he is in the shadow of Nesta and Paolo, which would relegate most other defenders in the world game to the bench.
Rayno_acm
11-11-2005, 15:55
... If and when he comes here, his good performances, or lack thereof, will prove whose opinion was correct, and who will be sharing slices of humble pie.
This just won't happen, cuz he WILL NOT come here :nana: :grinser:
Warro Bantan
11-11-2005, 16:47
This just won't happen, cuz he WILL NOT come here :nana: :grinser:
Rayno_acm :wallbang: what was I thinking? I forgot that you advise Berlu on player aquisitions, and that once you veto a player coming to Milan, then, the player just doesnt come..
How foolish of me!
My profuse apologies Rayno! I will ensure that I communicate with you before I give my opinion on possible transfers, since you are the Moggi of Milan! :de3:
Rayno_acm
11-11-2005, 16:51
Rayno_acm :wallbang: what was I thinking? I forgot that you advise Berlu on player aquisitions, and that once you veto a player coming to Milan, then, the player just doesnt come..
How foolish of me!
My profuse apologies Rayno! I will ensure that I communicate with you before I give my opinion on possible transfers, since you are the Moggi of Milan! :de3:
You wrote that... :nana: :nana: :nana:
i wont be mad if we do get him...
so what if hes 30? ... no one opened his mouth when cafu dazzled us with his class when we signed him aged 31!
It is not about the age... we have signed 30+ year olds in the past (Stam, Cafu)
but not like Helguera...
IMVHO, and hoping Warro doesn't respond with another sarcastic line, Helguera shouldn't even start at RM... but I will leave that to the RM fans to discuss in their forum.
Dont rate him, dont like him :5milan:
HeadFlick
15-11-2005, 06:27
http://www.goal.com/NewsDetail.aspx?idNews=100990&idSez=16
Milan And Juve After Helguera
I hope this is all crappy rumours but if not Please go to JUVE!!! not MILAN!!! PLS... :5dito:
savage_mau
15-11-2005, 08:59
Too Old....Not up to standard in italy as we can see how many goal madrid let in this season....
zlatanov
15-11-2005, 10:27
I think Helguera is a very good player and if we fail to get Ballack, I wouldn't mind getting Helguera for free. I don't think that we are after him to use him as a defender as he is very, very similar to Ballack when used as a midfielder. Same goes for Juve, IMO Capello would use him as a midfielder and not as a defender, and Capello knows this guy well, so the fact alone that Juve are after him, speaks well of his quality.
And to say that Real so messed up in defence because of Helguera is a bit on the shallow side - let's not forget that there are 10 other players on the field and Helguera is the only capable defender they've got apart from a player like Woodgate, who's far from top form, and a vastly inexperienced 19 yo Ramos.
Warro Bantan
15-11-2005, 11:03
I think Helguera is a very good player ahh Zlat..great minds think alike!
and if we fail to get Ballack, I wouldn't mind getting Helguera for free. I don't think that we are after him to use him as a defender as he is very, very similar to Ballack when used as a midfielder. indeed! Same goes for Juve, IMO Capello would use him as a midfielder and not as a defender, and Capello knows this guy well, so the fact alone that Juve are after him, speaks well of his quality. Glad you made the point, as I was sure to do so.
And to say that Real so messed up in defence because of Helguera is a bit on the shallow side - let's not forget that there are 10 other players on the field and Helguera is the only capable defender they've got apart from a player like Woodgate, who's far from top form, and a vastly inexperienced 19 yo Ramos. Yes, but the Madrid/Helguera haters herein see him as the main reason why they havent performed well for a few seasons...ignoring dips in form from the galacticos, and several coaching changes....
Dr Milano
15-11-2005, 12:17
Im gonna go against most of you guyz sorry but i think hes absouloute class i saw him score a good goal against Juve in cl and i think milan can do the same with him as they did with Crespo
Personally, I think Ambro is a better player, but obviously more injury prone.
as a deffender i would like him to be a sub, but as a midfielder i hope he goes anywhere in the world except for milan.
i always loved helguera, at one point, when real were the best, he was the worlds best CB and DM for me! ... u cannot blame reals poor defending on him, he never had a proper CB next to him, when hierro was there he did better than the veteran did, then pavon was crap, so was raul bravo, so was mejia, woodgate was injured and ramos is still not experienced enough, helguera also socred so many important goals for real in his career, i cant understand why people think he sucks, might not want him but he definatly doesnt suck
slicknick
15-11-2005, 21:54
I think he is useless. But then again I have seen him only four or five times
GilAttack [11]
30-11-2005, 16:28
Helguera re-signed with Madrid for the next 2 seasons, so we can forget about him.
shevagol_7
01-12-2005, 11:43
']Helguera re-signed with Madrid for the next 2 seasons, so we can forget about him.
He isn't a player we need. His best qualities are taking a seat and watching Ronaldinho fly past. :dielaugh:
Source: Football Italia
Ivan Helguera will not be moving to Italy next season after he signed a contract extension with Real Madrid.
The Spanish midfielder had been linked with moves to both Milan and Juventus seeing as his previous contract was set to expire in the summer.
However, the former Roma stopper has now agreed terms with the capital club until June 2009.
The international, who can also play in defence, will reportedly net just under £3m a season before tax.
"I’m very happy because I have been here for some time and I will stay until 2009," said the player who made nine appearances for the Giallorossi in 1997-98.
"It is an honour for me to be a part of this squad and team."
Helguera’s decision to put pen to paper came just hours after goalkeeper Iker Casillas, once linked with a switch to Inter, took the same step.
whatagood news I'm so happy that Helguera will not com to Milan
Warro Bantan
15-12-2005, 09:22
Ok, for all the Helguera bashers out there:
A rumor from theguardian:
http://football.guardian.co.uk/rumourmill/index/0,1451,1667996,00.html
Staying in Spain, Real Madrid are set to sign podgy Roma frontman Antonio Cassano and make space for the ample-framed 23-year-old by packing Ivan Helguera off to Juventus
The last time Juve made a poor transfer move was...what? In the 1950s? So there you have it, and while I am aware that Juve can make a mistake in the transfer market, if (and since this is a rumor we are talking about, is a BIG if)and when Juve gets Helguera, lets see how most here will react, worse if he makes an impact..
Not everything Juve touches turns to gold
Warro Bantan
16-12-2005, 09:42
True, there was that Legriottale (spelling?) guy..but thats more the exception than the rule..
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