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Doesn't sound like it will certainly happen, but could be a possibility. What do people think?
GRE-NO-LI
10-01-2006, 14:38
Oh boy, I hope that doesn't happen, cause it will be a major step back for us, another 'Vieri affair'...
GRE-NO-LI
10-01-2006, 17:08
Amoroso-Milan: Leonardo 'Può giocare ovunque e conosce calcio italiano'
Martedì, 10 gennaio @ 19:40:00 CET
Amoroso al Milan è ormai questione di ore. A confermarlo spazzando via ogni dubbio è Leonardo. “Amoroso può giocare in ogni squadra. E' un calciatore maturo e poi ha già giocato nel calcio italiano - ha detto Leonardo all'emittente radiofonica Rádio Bandeirantes proseguendo - Dopo l'addio di Vieri esite la necessità di avere un nuovo elemento in attacco, per il resto siamo a posto, almeno fino a luglio".
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HOLY ****... it seems that we will pick another veteran player, and not a single defense player... our management is doing real awfully, damn...
Oh boy, I hope that doesn't happen, cause it will be a major step back for us, another 'Vieri affair'...
Yeah but better Amoruso then Vieri don't you think?
GRE-NO-LI
10-01-2006, 17:54
Yes, for sure. But how about a new defender?
Yes, for sure. But how about a new defender?
yeah we desperately need at least one defender or we're f*cked. :groan:
Berlusconi said we'll go for a defender too but we'll see what happens :diablo:
São Paulo
10-01-2006, 18:11
No news about this and the season is to begin for São Paulo team. =/
zlatanov
10-01-2006, 18:31
No news about this and the season is to begin for São Paulo team. =/
you wish. not before Milan buys you off guys, not before that.
São Paulo
10-01-2006, 18:49
you wish. not before Milan buys you off guys, not before that.
I'm just expecting for some news. I haven't said that Amoroso will play for São Paulo next season.
GRE-NO-LI
10-01-2006, 19:44
yeah we desperately need at least one defender or we're f*cked. :groan:
Berlusconi said we'll go for a defender too but we'll see what happens :diablo:
It's simply PAINFUL to see a club with vast amounts of cash like ours having to improvise a player like Kaladze as a CB... Milan doesn't need to suffer like that, we're not a Botafogo FC (my second football passion and beloved side here in Brazil).
i agree, i know its wron to go crazy in the market and spend loads of money but we cant also be cheap and look to take risks when we least need it, we need proven players for good prices, which makes me go back to the question, why the **** isnt oddo here already? berlusconi probably uses 3.5M euroes to wipe his ass in the toilette for god sake, cant he just use the bidet (SP?) for once? :D
GRE-NO-LI
10-01-2006, 22:51
You got the point, mk18: we don't to splash money in a crazy 'Abramovitch way' to get the necessary players for the reshapement of our squad. Oddo, for instance, is a reachable target, I can't see a reasonable reason for not picking him. Come on, Berlusca man, open your wallet!
i always had the point, but i still dont fully agree with u... i think we should pay for the right players and the right price only, all u guys seem to want is young players and i dont think itll solve anything... we need the right players for the cheapest price possible, something we seemed to do with ease in the past and seems like juve have adopted that policy from us now.
GRE-NO-LI
10-01-2006, 23:18
So you always have the point?!? Damn, even Newton doesn't has the point always! :dazed: :tong: :dazed:
Well, I guess you misunderstood me: I believe that we don't have pay huge amounts of money for any 'good' player, only for the best, like Sheva or Gila. For that matter, I think that it be a good measure go on after Sneijder and Torres, for instance.
The acquiring of new players we not solve all of our problems by itself, of course, but it's a necessary measure, along others, to put us on the right track.
GilAttack [11]
10-01-2006, 23:56
Well, word in Brazil is that Amoroso is leaving Sao Paulo for Milan and will sign a contract for the next 18 months.
Colour me dissapointed.
GRE-NO-LI
11-01-2006, 00:51
']Well, word in Brazil is that Amoroso is leaving Sao Paulo for Milan and will sign a contract for the next 18 months.
Colour me dissapointed.
Unfortunatelly it seems that he will really join Milan... meanwhile 'gli altri' are even tracking Bojinov!!! :p146: :p146: :p146:
In short: we are looking for the PAST, while others are building the FUTURE... :cry: :cry: :cry:
Amoroso is not a bad signing plz remeber he is only going to be our 4th striker behind pippo!, i just hope its a 6 month loan contract and that Marco Borrillo (wrong spelling) comes back from his loan after season's end.
plz we need a defender, i hope managment is listening !!!!!!!!!
GRE-NO-LI
11-01-2006, 07:47
Amoroso and Borrielo? Why not Bojinov and Torres? Let's think BIG, not SMALL, we are Milan!!!
So you always have the point?!? Damn, even Newton doesn't has the point always! :dazed: :tong: :dazed:
Well, I guess you misunderstood me: I believe that we don't have pay huge amounts of money for any 'good' player, only for the best, like Sheva or Gila. For that matter, I think that it be a good measure go on after Sneijder and Torres, for instance.
The acquiring of new players we not solve all of our problems by itself, of course, but it's a necessary measure, along others, to put us on the right track.
ok in a way i agree with that, if it means we have to sign the perfect player but for a very big price then we should do it like we did with gila, but on the other hand u cannot let players who can be extremely useful like ballack go to another team for free when he would be more useful to us than anyone else. as for torres, well i dont think we really need him now, if hes gonna come hes gonna have to start, hes not 3rd or 4th choice material, and hes extremely expensive, sneider i think is a good option but why him when u got ballack there for free?
Warro Bantan
11-01-2006, 11:32
I sure hope that he turns out better than Vieri did... but then, it would be difficult to do worse than Vieri this term.
On the other hand, this signing, if it takes place, will be for the short term I am sure, freeing us up to go for a Torres etc next season.
All in all, if he does come, I anticipate better performances from him..and if I remember correctly, he didnt do too badly in the Serie A..though that was back in the past...
GRE-NO-LI
11-01-2006, 12:10
Well... I don't think Amoroso is a bad player, not at all... but we need urgently to renew our squad , so it seems nonsense bring another veteran.
Warro Bantan
11-01-2006, 12:31
Well, Grenoli, I think that our best possibility for a 4th choice striker is a veteran, who wont mind sitting on the bench...a young hot head may only create strife if he sees that he will be on the bench for the bulk of the season, and this we dont need.
I don't think he's that bad, and he probably isn't that expensive. I guarantee you he will score more than Vieri did. Now lets spend real $ on a defender.
GRE-NO-LI
11-01-2006, 14:48
Well, Grenoli, I think that our best possibility for a 4th choice striker is a veteran, who wont mind sitting on the bench...a young hot head may only create strife if he sees that he will be on the bench for the bulk of the season, and this we dont need.
But why not pick up a player capable of giving competition to Sheva and Gila for a first team starting place? I'm very sad because it seems to me that Milan is behaving like a small club, not like a big one. If we love so much veteran players, why not hire Edmundo or Romario, for instance? At least they are better players... :moan: :moan: :moan:
Warro Bantan
11-01-2006, 15:01
But why not pick up a player capable of giving competition to Sheva and Gila for a first team starting place? I'm very sad because it seems to me that Milan is behaving like a small club, not like a big one. If we love so much veteran players, why not hire Edmundo or Romario, for instance? At least they are better players... :moan: :moan: :moan:
Not sure if you posted these before Grenoli..but tell me, who would you suggest? Which young striker, would like to come to Milan, and sit on the bench, play in cup games, and get 10 minutes match time in the Serie A, in a world cup year?
Ok, that rules out strikers from 32 countries. This leaves a whole lot more to chose from, but again, whom?
Not to sound cynical, but I believe it would be most difficult to persuade a young striker to come to Milan under these conditions...but I may be wrong...
GRE-NO-LI
11-01-2006, 15:12
Ok, that rules out strikers from 32 countries. This leaves a whole lot more to chose from, but again, whom?
Whom? Since Bulgary has not qualified for the World Cup, why not choose Bojinov, a talent and young striker with Serie A experience?
I say again: I'm against Amoroso himself, since he's a good player. But since we already have a lot of veterans on our squad, why not pick younger players? Russia too is not featuring on the World Cup. Why not think about a gifted and ambitious player like Sytchev?
i think he would be an ideal back up striker, i remember when he was playing for udinese i wanted milan to sign him to play alongside sheva. have faith 31 is not exactly veteran status, its only a 18 month contract and as the point has been made its world cup year so not too many top strikers want to sit on the bench
GilAttack [11]
11-01-2006, 17:58
I guarantee you he will score more than Vieri did.
:pr115:
:angel:
GRE-NO-LI
11-01-2006, 18:18
Well, let's wait and see.
MARA*10*DONA
11-01-2006, 19:48
He is better than Vieri that's for sure....
but what I don't understand why don't Milan go for a hot prospect, a young talent from brazil or argentina or europe!? :stupid:
a young talent wont mind warming the bench and would be ready for next year like Inter's Martins did
anyway good luck for Amoroso
We buy like a ****ing serie B team these days. just filling the squad up with aging ex-stars.
we're about ready to implode. What the hell has scared the management off young talent so much? Pirlo? Kaka? I don't understand it one bit. I can't honestly see Amoroso scoring more than 4 goals before the end of the season.
GilAttack [11]
11-01-2006, 20:46
He is better than Vieri that's for sure....
but what I don't understand why don't Milan go for a hot prospect, a young talent from brazil or argentina or europe!? :stupid:
a young talent wont mind warming the bench and would be ready for next year like Inter's Martins did
anyway good luck for Amoroso
Well, these days you see Inter signing Maicon and us getting players like Amoroso. Tomorrow you will see Inter getting Aguero (Argentina) and us signing another U-37.
zlatanov
11-01-2006, 20:53
']Well, these days you see Inter signing Maicon and us getting players like Amoroso. Tomorrow you will see Inter getting Aguero (Argentina) and us signing another U-37.
and then the day after you see Inter finish 3rd or 4th in Serie A and reach the semifinals of Coppa Italia, while we challange for scudetto and play yet another CL final.
Some say Berlusconi doesn't spend like he used to because he is prime minister. I'm not sure what his concern is, everyone knows he owns Milan and I can't see him losing any votes if he spends a bit more, but, if that's why he's been a bit frugal at times, I hope he loses so that he can make Milan his priority again. I'm not saying we need to buy the most expensive players each year, but once in a while it would be nice to open up the strings.
GRE-NO-LI
11-01-2006, 21:36
He is better than Vieri that's for sure....
but what I don't understand why don't Milan go for a hot prospect, a young talent from brazil or argentina or europe!? :stupid:
a young talent wont mind warming the bench and would be ready for next year like Inter's Martins did
anyway good luck for Amoroso
That's EXACTLY the way I think, dude... a player like Bojinov, for instance, won't mind be a replacement for a season.
GRE-NO-LI
11-01-2006, 21:39
']Well, these days you see Inter signing Maicon and us getting players like Amoroso. Tomorrow you will see Inter getting Aguero (Argentina) and us signing another U-37.
You're totally right: we are not forging our FUTURE with wisdom and care, but only dealing with the present monent in an indulgent way.
GilAttack [11]
11-01-2006, 22:21
and then the day after you see Inter finish 3rd or 4th in Serie A and reach the semifinals of Coppa Italia, while we challange for scudetto and play yet another CL final.
Challenge and play another final. I want to win, not challenge.
This year we will need a miracle just to reach the semifinals. And I wouldnt be surprised if we end empty handed (No Coppa Italia, No UCL, No Scudetto)
Inter have always signed good players. So what
GRE-NO-LI
11-01-2006, 23:28
']Challenge and play another final. I want to win, not challenge.
This year we will need a miracle just to reach the semifinals. And I wouldnt be surprised if we end empty handed (No Coppa Italia, No UCL, No Scudetto)
Neither do I... :moan: :moan:
MadeMashin
11-01-2006, 23:33
how much did amoroso cost?
GRE-NO-LI
11-01-2006, 23:38
how much did amoroso cost?
I guess he came on a free deal, but that's not the point... Milan is not a poor side who need veteran and injury prone players in the end of their contracts!
hitmannq8
11-01-2006, 23:41
Galliani stated after the Brescia game that Amoroso will sign tomorrow after he passes the medical..Ancelotti said that Amoroso is the only quality striker available in the market..I really wish that in his next press conference they quote what he said this time and just bring up Cassano and that he was available for as low as 3.5m. My god our transfer policy can sometimes piss you off. I really hope that we go for Ballack sooooooooooon before someone else snaps him up for 3m and then our board will get someone like Zidane and say he is the only quality midfielder avaibale in the market
GRE-NO-LI
11-01-2006, 23:53
Galliani stated after the Brescia game that Amoroso will sign tomorrow after he passes the medical..Ancelotti said that Amoroso is the only quality striker available in the market..I really wish that in his next press conference they quote what he said this time and just bring up Cassano and that he was available for as low as 3.5m. My god our transfer policy can sometimes piss you off. I really hope that we go for Ballack sooooooooooon before someone else snaps him up for 3m and then our board will get someone like Zidane and say he is the only quality midfielder avaibale in the market
You are right, my friend: there are plenty of good players available on the market... oh I forgot that we are a very poor, almost miserable side, which can only sign veteran players in free deals!
GRE-NO-LI
11-01-2006, 23:57
By the way: our bald 'cappo' didn't said a single word about getting new defenders... why Berlusconi didn't fire him to hire someone really capable like Sacchi?!?
GavinMilan
12-01-2006, 02:34
I have nothing against Amoroso. I mean, if he is able to help us score a goal here and there and in turn win a game or two for us. Thats all it matters at the end. So I guess all of you really should not go for his head, since once he scores, most of you will cheer for him.
Anyhow, what I don't like is the fact that we are not getting any defenders since that is the area we need to improve. When it comes to goals scored, Milan is at the top of the league but goal against does not look too good.
Also I really don't like the fact that FatBoy said Amoroso is the best striker available at this time, since Cassano was available and he is better than Amoroso. Also Tevez is available, what about Luis Fabiano, Kaka's exteammate, he is also available.
Getting a player is one thing, but lying about it is another.
I will always support Milan nomatter what, but to be honest, Fatboy is really beginning to bugs me. There is a reason why he is known to always finish second best prior to Milan. Yes he did won COppa Italia, UCL and Series A. But how many of those victories during his spell in Milan was won by his excellence tactics?????? How many goals were scored from setpieces, beside a direct freekicks(since those kicks has more to do with players than actually setting up something). When u look at a Capello, Lippi, Bennitez,Wenger, Riijkarrd, even Mourihno, Ferguson, Del Neri and Mancini, they rarely get outcoach and outmanuver by the opposite coach unless they are beaten by another great coach. I am not saying those people do not lose games, b/c they do, my point is that those mentioned has the ability to avoid losing but Fatboy and Cuper do not.
I do not want to point to the example of UCL final last year, or the Deport match two years ago b/c they are too obivious. It is very disheartening to see the team I support all these years struggle not b/c there is not any quality players but b/c the coach just can't coach. Fatboy relies too heavily on the players instead of tactics. Now I am not suggesting, Capello and others do not rely on players, b/c they do. However, they all play with a set of tactics and stick to them.
Look at ManU when they won the treble. As much as I hate ManU, I admit that they played like a team. Since none of their players are in the top 10 in the world at that time and it seems like that each players brought on the pitch is the same as the starter. For example, when Keane could not play, Blomquist can just come in and fill the role.
Look at the Blues now, they are also like that, each player can just fill in.
What I am stressing is not for us to get 22 players, but rather, Teamplay. Milan needs teamplay, that is what they lack. They rely too much on individuals display. The funny thing is that, in attack, there seems to be plenty of team build up and play. But in Defense there is none.
Well, thats my opinion, so there is not right or wrong, since it is from my point of view.
DOUBLE POOOOOOOOOOST!! SORRYYYYYYYYY!
You are right, my friend: there are plenty of good players available on the market... oh I forgot that we are a very poor, almost miserable side, which can only sign veteran players in free deals!
ok honeslty, i respect you, but ive had enough of your complaining, everytime i log in, i have to read around 5 or 6 new posts of you where you say we area poor side who sign grandpas or whatever.... amoruso came, we know ur not happy, but we do get the point so stop whinning!
Also I really don't like the fact that FatBoy said Amoroso is the best striker available at this time, since Cassano was available and he is better than Amoroso. Also Tevez is available, what about Luis Fabiano, Kaka's exteammate, he is also available.
lets start by not being disrespectful to our club members, mainly the coach, personally i get pissed off when u call some1 i like by the name fatboy.
I will always support Milan nomatter what, but to be honest, Fatboy is really beginning to bugs me. There is a reason why he is known to always finish second best prior to Milan.
yeah there is a reason infact, he was new as a coach, meaning inexperienced, but look at him now, he has won more than in less years than anyone out there besides mourinho who doesnt have to do anything with chelsea since abramovic just spoils him all day
Yes he did won COppa Italia, UCL and Series A. But how many of those victories during his spell in Milan was won by his excellence tactics??????
ever heard of a player called andrea pirlo??? ... started out as a?? (yes say it) ... ATTACKING MIDFIELDER... when he joined milan he became a.....???? CM/DM ... the result was???? ... milan becoming the most feared side in the world and no one until del neri realised that milans strength was in him... we crushed through anything there is to crush until we played chievo away, but thats not tactics right??? ... its luck isnt it???
oh and what about our CL season??? ... he played with 1 striker upfront and we won 1-0 throughout the CL until we clinched it, i dont know what u call tactics but i guess people like you where probably whinning at that time as well because nothing is ever good enough for you.
point is, in 10-20 years time, mark my words, the pirlo move will be remembered as one of the tactics that changed the modern game, the same way herrera did with the cattenacio back in the 60's and the way total football was played with the dutch in the 70's and so on... and none of those coaches u mentioned will get that privelage unless they figure out one of their own.
How many goals were scored from setpieces, beside a direct freekicks(since those kicks has more to do with players than actually setting up something). When u look at a Capello, Lippi, Bennitez,Wenger, Riijkarrd, even Mourihno, Ferguson, Del Neri and Mancini, they rarely get outcoach and outmanuver by the opposite coach unless they are beaten by another great coach. I am not saying those people do not lose games, b/c they do, my point is that those mentioned has the ability to avoid losing but Fatboy and Cuper do not.
yeah, they rarely get outcoached, but when they do, most of the times its ancelotti who outcoaches them, capello vs ancelotti... ancelotti has destroyed capello with his tactics over the past years, carlo always beat him when capello was at roma, and even when he joined juve we had a better record head to head.
vs lippi, i would say even between them, in the begining lippi won more because juve had a superior squad, but when we built a strong squad carlo has been far better, including the CL win may i remind u.
benitez and carlo have gone head to head once, and i dont think i need to remind you, but it took liverpool 6 lucky minutes aswell as 75 other unlucky ones from us for him to win, but if you look performance wise, carlo destroyed him, benitez was great, but he had an extremely lucky day where 2 of their goals were contrevertial, several of our chances just didnt want to go in (shevchenko rebound of dudek;s shoulder) and hyypia shouldve been red carded if u ask me.
wenger i wouldnt even start, hes the most overrated coach in history maybe, the guy doesnt know his head from his ass, when wenger wins something worth mentioning then consider putting him next to what carlo did, going through a season unbeaten or winning the carling cup or whatever is nothing next to winning what carlo did in his few years at milan, and for the record i dont think they ever faced each other.
riijkaard??? the guy doesnt know where god put him, all he needs to do is chose the star players barca have, and since theyre hungry for wins, the players do the work, rijkaard was the reason barca went out of the CL last year early, against chelsea he had the game in his hands and with a few minutes left for the game and a goal can decide the game despite the advantage going for barca, he doesnt even think of defending his goal and instead keeps attacking when the obvious choice is to defend, guess what, chelsea score and barca have no time to win it back... retard!
mourinho, is the only one out there id put above carlo concerning what they won in recent years, hes won alot but hes spoilt like ****, hes a great tactician but with the squad he has a mule can give chelsea the stupid EPL title, he won the CL with porto, but he ****ed up big time with chelsea and was outsmarted for the record.
ferguson... HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA ... actually i wanted to stop there but i couldnt handle it, look at man utd now, dont blame it on their management or anything, its all on ferguson, unlike in italy, ferguson actually does the transfers for his team as well, he had an amazing season during the treble i agree, but wait, that was 7 years ago wasnt it?? ... what has he wn after that? nothing... and for the record, have u followed milans 2-0 aggregfate win over united last season??? talk about outmanouver ... we were the only team present in that tie, and we were without key players like sheva!
del neri??? ... ok i respect him alot, but he still never coached a big team, he was great with chievo, not as much now with palermo, and his record vs carlo i think is even, so no comment there.
and now ... mancini... Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahhahahahahahhahahaha... are you out of your mind??? ... do u actually follow milan or even inter??? how could u mention mancini??? have u ever heard of inters record against us in recent years prior to this years defeat against them??? ... that right there is outmanouvering buddy! please man take ur pills and cool down!!!
I do not want to point to the example of UCL final last year, or the Deport match two years ago b/c they are too obivious. It is very disheartening to see the team I support all these years struggle not b/c there is not any quality players but b/c the coach just can't coach. Fatboy relies too heavily on the players instead of tactics. Now I am not suggesting, Capello and others do not rely on players, b/c they do. However, they all play with a set of tactics and stick to them.
i dont know which milan ur following but the one i am has nothing to do with what u said, infact its totally opposite, carlos only problem IMO is that he does play with a set of tactics and never changes it, causing exhaustion to our players and with probably the busiest schedual out of all the teams in the world its not wonder why we just missed out on the CL and the scudetto last year, this year he has started to rotate more, but the problem is that he doesnt have enough players to keep a strong and balanced team every match, that u cannot blame on him, u blame it on the management, unlike in england coaches can only give suggestions on who to buy but when it comes to transactions theyre meaningless ...we obviously need defensive cover, how is that carlos fault?
Look at ManU when they won the treble. As much as I hate ManU, I admit that they played like a team. Since none of their players are in the top 10 in the world at that time and it seems like that each players brought on the pitch is the same as the starter. For example, when Keane could not play, Blomquist can just come in and fill the role.
Look at the Blues now, they are also like that, each player can just fill in.
again, how is that carlos fault???
What I am stressing is not for us to get 22 players, but rather, Teamplay. Milan needs teamplay, that is what they lack. They rely too much on individuals display. The funny thing is that, in attack, there seems to be plenty of team build up and play. But in Defense there is none.
we dont rely on indivisual display at all, we have been the deadliest team on earth for the past 4 years simply because we were the most balanced and had the right chemistry between the players (team play) ... but when u got crucial players like cafu, maldini, stam, and even nesta at times injured alot (notice the whole back four) theres nothing you can do about it but blame the management for not bringing in cover.
ok honeslty, i respect you, but ive had enough of your complaining, everytime i log in, i have to read around 5 or 6 new posts of you where you say we area poor side who sign grandpas or whatever.... amoruso came, we know ur not happy, but we do get the point so stop whinning!
lets start by not being disrespectful to our club members, mainly the coach, personally i get pissed off when u call some1 i like by the name fatboy.
yeah there is a reason infact, he was new as a coach, meaning inexperienced, but look at him now, he has won more than in less years than anyone out there besides mourinho who doesnt have to do anything with chelsea since abramovic just spoils him all day
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ever heard of a player called andrea pirlo??? ... started out as a?? (yes say it) ... ATTACKING MIDFIELDER... when he joined milan he became a.....???? CM/DM ... the result was???? ... milan becoming the most feared side in the world and no one until del neri realised that milans strength was in him... we crushed through anything there is to crush until we played chievo away, but thats not tactics right??? ... its luck isnt it???
oh and what about our CL season??? ... he played with 1 striker upfront and we won 1-0 throughout the CL until we clinched it, i dont know what u call tactics but i guess people like you where probably whinning at that time as well because nothing is ever good enough for you.
point is, in 10-20 years time, mark my words, the pirlo move will be remembered as one of the tactics that changed the modern game, the same way herrera did with the cattenacio back in the 60's and the way total football was played with the dutch in the 70's and so on... and none of those coaches u mentioned will get that privelage unless they figure out one of their own.
yeah, they rarely get outcoached, but when they do, most of the times its ancelotti who outcoaches them, capello vs ancelotti... ancelotti has destroyed capello with his tactics over the past years, carlo always beat him when capello was at roma, and even when he joined juve we had a better record head to head.
vs lippi, i would say even between them, in the begining lippi won more because juve had a superior squad, but when we built a strong squad carlo has been far better, including the CL win may i remind u.
benitez and carlo have gone head to head once, and i dont think i need to remind you, but it took liverpool 6 lucky minutes aswell as 75 other unlucky ones from us for him to win, but if you look performance wise, carlo destroyed him, benitez was great, but he had an extremely lucky day where 2 of their goals were contrevertial, several of our chances just didnt want to go in (shevchenko rebound of dudek;s shoulder) and hyypia shouldve been red carded if u ask me.
wenger i wouldnt even start, hes the most overrated coach in history maybe, the guy doesnt know his head from his ass, when wenger wins something worth mentioning then consider putting him next to what carlo did, going through a season unbeaten or winning the carling cup or whatever is nothing next to winning what carlo did in his few years at milan, and for the record i dont think they ever faced each other.
riijkaard??? the guy doesnt know where god put him, all he needs to do is chose the star players barca have, and since theyre hungry for wins, the players do the work, rijkaard was the reason barca went out of the CL last year early, against chelsea he had the game in his hands and with a few minutes left for the game and a goal can decide the game despite the advantage going for barca, he doesnt even think of defending his goal and instead keeps attacking when the obvious choice is to defend, guess what, chelsea score and barca have no time to win it back... retard!
mourinho, is the only one out there id put above carlo concerning what they won in recent years, hes won alot but hes spoilt like ****, hes a great tactician but with the squad he has a mule can give chelsea the stupid EPL title, he won the CL with porto, but he ****ed up big time with chelsea and was outsmarted for the record.
ferguson... HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA ... actually i wanted to stop there but i couldnt handle it, look at man utd now, dont blame it on their management or anything, its all on ferguson, unlike in italy, ferguson actually does the transfers for his team as well, he had an amazing season during the treble i agree, but wait, that was 7 years ago wasnt it?? ... what has he wn after that? nothing... and for the record, have u followed milans 2-0 aggregfate win over united last season??? talk about outmanouver ... we were the only team present in that tie, and we were without key players like sheva!
del neri??? ... ok i respect him alot, but he still never coached a big team, he was great with chievo, not as much now with palermo, and his record vs carlo i think is even, so no comment there.
and now ... mancini... Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahhahahahahahhahahaha... are you out of your mind??? ... do u actually follow milan or even inter??? how could u mention mancini??? have u ever heard of inters record against us in recent years prior to this years defeat against them??? ... that right there is outmanouvering buddy! please man take ur pills and cool down!!!
i dont know which milan ur following but the one i am has nothing to do with what u said, infact its totally opposite, carlos only problem IMO is that he does play with a set of tactics and never changes it, causing exhaustion to our players and with probably the busiest schedual out of all the teams in the world its not wonder why we just missed out on the CL and the scudetto last year, this year he has started to rotate more, but the problem is that he doesnt have enough players to keep a strong and balanced team every match, that u cannot blame on him, u blame it on the management, unlike in england coaches can only give suggestions on who to buy but when it comes to transactions theyre meaningless ...we obviously need defensive cover, how is that carlos fault?
again, how is that carlos fault???
we dont rely on indivisual display at all, we have been the deadliest team on earth for the past 4 years simply because we were the most balanced and had the right chemistry between the players (team play) ... but when u got crucial players like cafu, maldini, stam, and even nesta at times injured alot (notice the whole back four) theres nothing you can do about it but blame the management for not bringing in cover.
THAT'S WHAT I CALLED A SUPER POST!!!
STOP COMPLAINING!!!! Those Guy's you mention Plays To much CM!!!
GRE-NO-LI
12-01-2006, 06:25
Ok, ok, there's nothing wrong with our side, and people who disagree with that are just a bunch of lousy complainers... Satisfied now?
no... you can complain ... just dont over do it... then it becomes whinning and no one likes that :)
MARA*10*DONA
12-01-2006, 07:24
It's right...there is no in complaining and for sure Galliani wont see these posts. Even if he did, Milan fans wont change the club policy...but that's what forums for (taking it off your chest).
Galliani proved before that his way works (remember our CL, Scudetto and coppa italia trophies) but seeing Milan which through history is known as the best deffence in the world let 6 goals in two games and loses 3-0 lead in a CL final with an average age of deffenders around 33 gotta make you sad right?
while Juve mentain their sharpness through the years....I really don't know what will happen in Byern Munich match with a deffence like that.
sheva-gila
12-01-2006, 09:34
Amoroso agree a one-and-a-half year deal with the Rossoneri that will earn him £1.7m a season.
now we have four attackers again thats good we dont need all four to be young we have GILA, aslo SHEVA can play and support GILA I think he gonna be in top form for more 3 or 4 year and i think the only player who can replace him its TORRES ... now we just need defenders thats our problem and forget about attackers .
hitmannq8
12-01-2006, 09:40
Seems like we are not signing any other players after Amoroso. I do hope we can get at least a RB, because we will not be needing a CB. We have Stam/Nesta which is among the best in the world, and Maldini will return within a month. Our RB position is our only problem with Cafu not being able to play 2 games in a row. Oddo would be an amazing signing right now although it really should have happened over the summer, Galliani did not want to spend 3.5m because he said that was too much for Oddo :(
GRE-NO-LI
12-01-2006, 10:22
With two veteran and injury prone strikers on the squad, we will need to purchase a new one early on, perhaps on the summer, indeed. A RB is really a necessary acquire... what about another U-37 on a free transfer...?!?
With two veteran and injury prone strikers on the squad, we will need to purchase a new one early on, perhaps on the summer, indeed. A RB is really a necessary acquire... what about another U-37 on a free transfer...?!?
I have a great2 idea...
Let's change thuis forum to a place for poeple who's complain complain and complain....
Whatever we said in this forum won't change anything...
If anyone said LOVE this club, then accept what you've see...
If you can't se we signing Amoroso , then Change side to Chelsea Or Real or even Inter.. I'am sure they will sign BIG name ...
And I dont mind anyone of you who always complain and complain move away from Milanmania Forum AND maybe enter INTERMANIA forum or any else... Please... !!
MadeMashin
12-01-2006, 12:39
amoroso was a good move( he may be old, but hes a really good 4th striker), cassano wouldve NOT been a good move....first of all, hes a cry baby (seriously, what type of player crys when he gets replaced...rmbr when he started bitching about coming off for mido), he would bring down the morale and atmosphere in the locker rooms, hes a good prospect, but do u actually think he'll sit on the bench? theres no space for him in milan..its simple, i applaud galliani for this move,but seriously wheres the defenders?
zlatanov
12-01-2006, 17:56
ok honeslty, i respect you, but ive had enough of your complaining, everytime i log in, i have to read around 5 or 6 new posts of you where you say we area poor side who sign grandpas or whatever.... amoruso came, we know ur not happy, but we do get the point so stop whinning!
lets start by not being disrespectful to our club members, mainly the coach, personally i get pissed off when u call some1 i like by the name fatboy.
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we dont rely on indivisual display at all, we have been the deadliest team on earth for the past 4 years simply because we were the most balanced and had the right chemistry between the players (team play) ... but when u got crucial players like cafu, maldini, stam, and even nesta at times injured alot (notice the whole back four) theres nothing you can do about it but blame the management for not bringing in cover.
great post and, unfortunately, very necessary one too. I tried to avoid getting involved in pointless arguments and looked aside but I guess someone had to do it, after all.
GRE-NO-LI
12-01-2006, 18:53
Ok, conformists, I will shut my mouth.
Keep posting Gre-no-li, its just you dont need to post about Galliani all the time :) You have been very pleasant though, so dont stop posting.
Good luck to amoroso
zlatanov
12-01-2006, 19:29
Ok, conformists, I will shut my mouth.
no one is asking to you stop posting or shut your mouth. It's just that after a while, reading the same complaints over and over again becomes a bit irritating. And please realise that running an institution like Milan isn't taking place in some fictional 14th dimension of an imaginary universe and not everything is painted pink i.e. the way we would want it to be. Be more realistic in your "expectations" from our transfer policy for this is not just a question of wishes coming true whenever we want them to but is a question of real money and real business taking place in the real world, not OZ-land or CM-land. Does realising this make you a conformist? Guess not.
GRE-NO-LI
12-01-2006, 20:07
Considering that you said that I live at CM-Land, I want make you a simple question, Zlatanov: do you guess Milan has it or not 5.000.000 euros (I'm not talking specifically about Cassano, but in general terms) to buy a new player?
zlatanov
12-01-2006, 20:19
Considering that you said that I live at CM-Land, I want make you a simple question, Zlatanov: do you guess Milan has it or not 5.000.000 euros (I'm not talking specifically about Cassano, but in general terms) to buy a new player?
Let me ask you another question, specifically for Cassano: Do you still believe that not going for cassano was a question of having or not having 5 mil euros?
And a more general one: name a player who will FOR SURE IMPROVE our team i.e. add to it something we already don't have, and yet that player has a price of 5 mil or so and is his club is willing to let him go in the middle of the season? What about the players themselves - it's a WC year, after all? How many worthy of Milan players will risk missing the WC just because they came to Milan and realised that Milan's reserves were at least as good as they themselves are?
Oddo? Lugano? who? What do you think will happen to these guys once Maldini and Cafu are back in the team with Carlo using/trusting Serginho more and more often at LB?
My point is that players that cheap are in general good players but not great ones, and only great ones have a chance of coming to Milan and getting a place in the first team. The rest are destined to be used to "repair holes" here and there when necessary but that's about it.
GRE-NO-LI
12-01-2006, 20:50
Well, to me Cassano is a player that can make the difference, despite his so called bad behaviour. Regarding your question, it seems to me we didn't go for him certainly because his reputation as a 'bad boy'. As I have pointed out before, to me a football club is not exactly a convent of armelite nuns... and I think that Cassano have enough talent to compensate by far his manners.
no one is asking to you stop posting or shut your mouth. It's just that after a while, reading the same complaints over and over again becomes a bit irritating. And please realise that running an institution like Milan isn't taking place in some fictional 14th dimension of an imaginary universe and not everything is painted pink i.e. the way we would want it to be. Be more realistic in your "expectations" from our transfer policy for this is not just a question of wishes coming true whenever we want them to but is a question of real money and real business taking place in the real world, not OZ-land or CM-land. Does realising this make you a conformist? Guess not.
This guy is 100% milan fans .. they (true milan fans) will not question board decision.. they'll just wish the best for their team.. they'll never complain..complain.. complain...
That's true what Zlatanov said ... WE ARE LIVING IN THE REAL WORLD.. NOT IN THE CM-LAND ....
Sorry if I'am wrong , But people like Gre-no-li , just like Inter or Real fans..
Certainly not A MILAN QUALITY.......
GRE-NO-LI
12-01-2006, 21:33
So Milan's board is gifted with some kind of secular papal infalibility?!? So we can't never disagree with them?!?!?!? Sorry, dude, but this is a complete and unbelivable ABSURD...
By the way: I deeply love Milan, and nobody here can put in doubt my credentials as a fan, for the very simple reason that nobody here knows me in person. You can say that all my opinions are nonsense, ok, but you can't question my righteousness as a Milan adept.
zlatanov
12-01-2006, 21:33
Well, to me Cassano is a player that can make the difference, despite his so called bad behaviour. Regarding your question, it seems to me we didn't go for him certainly because his reputation as a 'bad boy'. As I have pointed out before, to me a football club is not exactly a convent of armelite nuns... and I think that Cassano have enough talent to compensate by far his manners.
Given his talent and his low, low price I myself wanted Milan to go for him because even if he continued to be the bad-boy-wanna-be from Roma, we could still get rid of him pretty quickly and get some good money for him on top of what we would have paid for him now. My point is that his low price made him a risk we could afford to take, a gamble we could afford to lose.
Sometimes, however, when you gain something you don't know what you are losing, and for that matter I am not blaming the management for passing on Cassano despite his more than bargain price. I am sure they discussed the possible pluses and minuses of such a deal and most probably reached the conclusion that a united team like Milan, where chemistry between players, coach, and management is at its best, has much more to lose than gain from getting a problematic character like Cassano.
Considering that you said that I live at CM-Land, I want make you a simple question, Zlatanov: do you guess Milan has it or not 5.000.000 euros (I'm not talking specifically about Cassano, but in general terms) to buy a new player?
Seriously , I'am Offended by this kind of question ...
I am Guarantee you...
Galliani will Pay you 10 million euro Just to MAKE YOU SHUT UP!!
Regarding transfer market, Milan Will only spend money if they need to...
This is why I'am so sure you're not a Milan Fans ...
You're typical of Inter or Real Fans WHO KEEP WASTING MONEY!!! :5milan:
GRE-NO-LI
12-01-2006, 21:40
This is why I'am so sure you're not a Milan Fans ... You're typical of Inter or Real Fans WHO KEEP WASTING MONEY!!! :5milan:
I have to say it again: YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO PUT IN QUESTION MY CREDENTIALS AS A MILAN FAN! I RESPECT EVERYBODY HERE WITH GREAT POLITENESS, SO I DESERVE TO BE TREATED IN THE SAME WAY!!!
GRE-NO-LI
12-01-2006, 21:46
Given his talent and his low, low price I myself wanted Milan to go for him because even if he continued to be the bad-boy-wanna-be from Roma, we could still get rid of him pretty quickly and get some good money for him on top of what we would have paid for him now. My point is that his low price made him a risk we could afford to take, a gamble we could afford to lose.
Sometimes, however, when you gain something you don't know what you are losing, and for that matter I am not blaming the management for passing on Cassano despite his more than bargain price. I am sure they discussed the possible pluses and minuses of such a deal and most probably reached the conclusion that a united team like Milan, where chemistry between players, coach, and management is at its best, has much more to lose than gain from getting a problematic character like Cassano.
Well, that's a very good point, I have to admit. Get a player like Cassano obviously involves a certain measure of risk, and the Board didn't want to take it. I guess they've acted with excessive caution, but that's certainly a subjective way of thinking.
hitmannq8
12-01-2006, 22:04
i dont think we should dive in into the market like how GRE-NO-LI is saying, but instead we should take our time and assess our options carefully so we do not make a mistake.. our defence is amazing with or without any new signings, but ofcourse it can be improved upon with a signing or 2..
but the cassano case is different, 3.5m for a player like cassano is simply unbelievable, true that he is a trouble-maker, but im pretty sure he wont be one for the rest of his career..he will certainly grow up at one time.. and his talent is unquestionable, i think he is the best italian talent atm..getting him would have really added alot to our team because he would not only be Sheva's partner, but also Sheva's replacement, and, can be Kaka's sub/replacement when Rui leaves.. Cassano can even be very effect in the left wing.. anyway, no matter how long we talk about it, nothing will change because he is a real player for now.. good luck to him
all we can do now is cheer for milan and hope that amoroso can be useful
We can't doubt Gre-no-li passion for Milan... that's also subjective thinking...
But I have to get on the other boat, and say Milan is much greater than a few million euros... there's something about Milan that other teams can't buy... class.
Antonio Cassano could kick the ball like Maradona with the left, and like Beckham with the right... he would still be a cheap, desperate for attention, presuntuos, spoiled brat...
We have a team whose captain has been a defender for over 20 years, playing almost every single game complete, and has gotten what? 3 red cards maybe in total?
Cassano is not worth of being in the same sentence as people like Maldini, just as an example...
Gre-no-li, you said "and I think that Cassano have enough talent to compensate by far his manners."
We have enough manners to understand you may think this, and you're free to say it... but we have the talent to admire a team like Milan for the same reasons we don't admire a team like Real Madrid now (if we ever did)... so Cassano belongs to Madrid,
they deserve each other... or Inter... that's why Figo, Cambiasso, Solari, Samuel, etc. are now there...
We're a team that has to show class even if playing against Serie D, in the dark, in the mud, with fog...
GavinMilan
12-01-2006, 22:33
Honestly, I think CM has become such a common tool for excuses to bash one another here.
Another thing is, we all have our beloved team, which is Milan and we all want our beloved team to do well, thats nothing wrong with that.
So, if someone does not agree with ur opinions or comments or u don't agree with someone else, don't question or hint how much they love Milan and that u are a true Milan fan and they are not, b/c thats just not right.
Secondly, since we all love MIlan, it is not wrong to want our fav. players playing for our fav. Team. Therefore, when someone suggests Milan should have gone for him....or Milan should go for him...., there is nothing wrong with that. When fans express lets say how come Milan did not go for Cassano, since Milan have the resources....They are just disappointed Milan did not sign their fav. player, b/c in their mind that player or players will make Milan stronger.
You cannot state that person is wrong, since even u could not have known how well certain player will play in Milan, unless they play for Milan, right?
So lets their opinions and comments stand, u can disagree with them, but just don't say the other person play too much CM and this is the real world.....or they are not true Milan fans b/c that is unfair.
Everyone is entitle to their own opinions and comments, just b/c someone do not agree with u, it does not mean u r wrong or the other person is wrong. It just means both of u are looking at something from a different angles. Nomatterwhat though, we are all here bound by one common thing, and that is our love for Milan
BTW, I dont like Ancelloti, and I am sure a lot of u does not like my comments on him, but who cares, this is a forum for Milan Fans to express their passion for the club. Which means, we don't have to agree with one another, since if we all do, Milan will become one of those sercet kliq that all levels of government would want to eliminate.
GRE-NO-LI
12-01-2006, 22:54
3.5m for a player like cassano is simply unbelievable, true that he is a trouble-maker, but im pretty sure he wont be one for the rest of his career..he will certainly grow up at one time.. and his talent is unquestionable, i think he is the best italian talent atm..getting him would have really added alot to our team because he would not only be Sheva's partner, but also Sheva's replacement, and, can be Kaka's sub/replacement when Rui leaves.. Cassano can even be very effect in the left wing..
That's it, my friend, you have said everything: what missed is a veritable mutifunctional football talent, a player that can do everything in terms of strking goals and creative playmaking. And what we get instead? A fairly good player only, a veteran in the twilight of his career. How to happy with that?!?!? :scream: :frustrat: :scream:
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We're a team that has to show class even if playing against Serie D, in the dark, in the mud, with fog...
Well, that's unquestionable: we're classy as hell, just like Audrey Hepburn or Catherine Deneuve! :rone:
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Finally, I want to enphatically congratulate GavinMilan for his outstanding, really amazing post, by far the most serene and intelligent and piece of writing I've so far read at Milanmania forums.
GRE-NO-LI
12-01-2006, 22:56
By the way: what about the supposed 'papal infalibility' of Board, huh? Gosh, that was atrocious, sincerely...
Source: Football Italia
Milan have admitted that they are on the verge of signing Marcio Amoroso. "If he passes a medical he will sign," said Vice-President Adriano Galliani.
That admission came after last night's Coppa Italia match at Brescia as Milan produced their second straight 4-3 win, after achieving the same feat over Parma at the weekend, and are clearly not finding goals hard to come by at present.
However, with Christian Vieri now departed for foreign shores, Milan Coach Carlo Ancelotti has just three big name strikers in his squad and Galliani moved to confirm that a fourth was on the way.
"If Amoroso passes a medical tomorrow he will sign," said the Milan chief, before revealing his concern at his side’s inability to keep goals out at present. "If we conceded a few goals less we would be happier."
Ancelotti also gave a good reaction to the Brazilian hitman who he admitted having no idea was arriving two days ago.
"He’s a great striker," he said. "He proved that in Italy and he can make another great contribution for Milan."
Carletto decided to use the Brescia match to run the rule over Filippo Inzaghi, who played the first half alongside Andriy Shevchenko and the second with Alberto Gilardino.
Although Superpippo did score in the first half it was Manuel Rui Costa who did his selection chances no harm at all with two goals and two assists against the Serie B side.
The former Parma and Juve Coach was pleased with both the Portuguese midfielder’s performance and that of Inzaghi, but not quite so happy with the sort of defending that prompted President Silvio Berlusconi to suggest recently that Milan would also be attempting to find a new player to stiffen up the back four this month.
"I saw a positive reaction, we got though to the next round and now we can concentrate on the League," he said. "It certainly isn’t good to ship three goals a game, but it seems that is what it takes for us at the moment.
"Rui Costa played excellently and so did Inzaghi," added the Rossoneri Coach. "We are at a good stage in our preparation and we just need to keep getting results."
Brescia Coach Rolando Maran said his side initially struggled to cope with the icy conditions before finding their feet and their poise.
"The important thing was not to get thrashed," he said. "I saw some good signs for our League campaign. We tried to show that we were up to the task although it was always going to be hard to go through.
"I played some players who haven’t featured much and some youngsters," added Maran.
"The ice on the pitch resulted in some unforced errors and we were made to pay for a poor first half-hour – but we will learn from that in future games.
"Next up is Catania, who have won seven out of eight matches," continued the Rondinelle tactician. "It won’t be easy but we will try to get points from them."
Source: Football Italia
Milan have admitted that they are on the verge of signing Marcio Amoroso. "If he passes a medical he will sign," said Vice-President Adriano Galliani.
That admission came after last night's Coppa Italia match at Brescia as Milan produced their second straight 4-3 win, after achieving the same feat over Parma at the weekend, and are clearly not finding goals hard to come by at present.
However, with Christian Vieri now departed for foreign shores, Milan Coach Carlo Ancelotti has just three big name strikers in his squad and Galliani moved to confirm that a fourth was on the way.
"If Amoroso passes a medical tomorrow he will sign," said the Milan chief, before revealing his concern at his side’s inability to keep goals out at present. "If we conceded a few goals less we would be happier."
Ancelotti also gave a good reaction to the Brazilian hitman who he admitted having no idea was arriving two days ago.
"He’s a great striker," he said. "He proved that in Italy and he can make another great contribution for Milan."
Carletto decided to use the Brescia match to run the rule over Filippo Inzaghi, who played the first half alongside Andriy Shevchenko and the second with Alberto Gilardino.
Although Superpippo did score in the first half it was Manuel Rui Costa who did his selection chances no harm at all with two goals and two assists against the Serie B side.
The former Parma and Juve Coach was pleased with both the Portuguese midfielder’s performance and that of Inzaghi, but not quite so happy with the sort of defending that prompted President Silvio Berlusconi to suggest recently that Milan would also be attempting to find a new player to stiffen up the back four this month.
"I saw a positive reaction, we got though to the next round and now we can concentrate on the League," he said. "It certainly isn’t good to ship three goals a game, but it seems that is what it takes for us at the moment.
"Rui Costa played excellently and so did Inzaghi," added the Rossoneri Coach. "We are at a good stage in our preparation and we just need to keep getting results."
Brescia Coach Rolando Maran said his side initially struggled to cope with the icy conditions before finding their feet and their poise.
"The important thing was not to get thrashed," he said. "I saw some good signs for our League campaign. We tried to show that we were up to the task although it was always going to be hard to go through.
"I played some players who haven’t featured much and some youngsters," added Maran.
"The ice on the pitch resulted in some unforced errors and we were made to pay for a poor first half-hour – but we will learn from that in future games.
"Next up is Catania, who have won seven out of eight matches," continued the Rondinelle tactician. "It won’t be easy but we will try to get points from them."
I have to say it again: YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO PUT IN QUESTION MY CREDENTIALS AS A MILAN FAN! I RESPECT EVERYBODY HERE WITH GREAT POLITENESS, SO I DESERVE TO BE TREATED IN THE SAME WAY!!!
Hey My friend Dearest Gre-No-Li ....
I've been in this forum for 5 years , and I NEVER DISRESPECT anybody ..
But i'am tottaly Offended if anyone ask a question like you did ...
Here is what you said before....
"Considering that you said that I live at CM-Land, I want make you a simple question, Zlatanov: do you guess Milan has it or not 5.000.000 euros (I'm not talking specifically about Cassano, but in general terms) to buy a new player?"
No one in this forum ever doubt Milan's Wealth... And Milan's power to BUY ANYONE... Understand ??
GRE-NO-LI
13-01-2006, 08:39
Obviously it was an ironic question...
Warro Bantan
13-01-2006, 09:50
Unfortunately, irony tends to be lost on some of us! :D
Unfortunately, irony tends to be lost on some of us! :D
:cheers: .. That's true ....
better words next time :v408: :cheers:
GavinMilan
13-01-2006, 11:12
isn't that ironic, dont u think
GRE-NO-LI
13-01-2006, 11:22
Indee hehehehe....
u might wanna use smilies to make look more like an ironic question, people might think your saying things in a different tone that what u intended...
point is... this is all a misunderstanding between the recent posters here, we all love the same team and we'll stick by them no matter what, and on the other hand we all have different opinions and were all free to express them, but theres also a limit to that, its normal for people to get irritated when someone keeps saying the same stuff in every single post he writes or when someone gives out names to a person whos associated with the club we all love. when you want to write something, take into consideration what others would think about it please. in the meantime lets just forget the small disagreement here and just be happy with the new striker we got and wish him the best of luck because afterall he might become a bigger hit than cassano wouldve been :)
mk18, taking your last sentence, I remember when RMadrid got Beckham, and it was the biggest deal... and by taking the poster boy, they allowed Barcelona to take Ronaldinho... we all know the outcome!!!
Real Madrid's most publicized transfers in the recent years:
-Zidane: a shadow of the one from France 1998 WC, or even Juventus.
-Beckham: has gotten new tattoos, new kids, new modeling contracts... no new titles.
-Samuel: Sent to an even shLtt1er team, Inter.
-Cambiasso: See above, and add a devaluated Figo, and an extinct Solari.
-Robinho: a lot of dribbling where nothing happens... a lot of mistakes where it counts, inside the penalty box.
-Owen: The only good one, but didn't sell as many shirts, so back to England.
-Woodgate: Mr. Legs or Crystal. Going thru a difficult moment, that has lasted 2 years.
-Bautista: Sevilla!!! Sevilla!!! at Madrid, nothing.
-Sergio Ramos: OK, he's a good young prospect for CB, let's put him in midfield!!!
-Pablo Garcia: Heart and soul of Osasuna, a fighther... but don't do it while wearing the white uniform... just give the ball to the nearest galactic.
Now they got Cicinho and Cassano... two players some people in this forum wanted to see in rossonero... time will tell.
We made a mistake with Vieri... we wouldn't make two with Cassano.
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