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Well guys I'm back, and to celebrate this event I'm opening this thread... as a "welcome back" party if u wish.
Milan currently facing the end of an era, an age or how ever u may call it. I see here people opening little threads like "cafu is out?" or "seedorf shouldn't be in first team" and i'm just amazed that people don't see the whole picture!!! It's much more complicated and I want to present to u the full picture:
Players Out:
Maldini:Great player, dedicated himself to Milan for twenty years and we may say one of the greatest ever who played for us, a living legend..... ok MOVE ON!!! He cannot play at this level anymore, he is hurting the team... so please man RETIRE already!!! Same about Costacurta.... I mean comon u are 40 years old, go get urself some real job.
Cafu: Same thing, too old, I hope we won't see him playing next year.
Stam: Can hardly tell, some times he looks impresive but only when he plays in his role as a CD (and that's quite rare). But I'm pretty sure we shouldn't count on him next year.
Gattuso: I mean realy, people just think straight! He maybe give his all on the pitch, but it's simply isn't enough. Team in this level can't allow to have a regular player in the middle that completly lucking any creativity, shot or passing ability... I prefer to see Ballack or Van Bommel in that position. I know that Gattuso has many fans here and many people may disagree with me, but what can I say? The guy just isn't good enough.
Seedorf: I simply don't like the guy, his football is just too dark and unattractive. He and Gattuso are important to get possession over the ball, but since they don't do it quite good as they used to (for example we were weaker in the middle than our opponents when we played against Barca or Inter) and their lack of creativity and passing ability is too unforgiven, I rather see Seedorf leave.
Anceloti: People the simple fact that we should be european champions 3 years in a row, and the only guy I can blame for that not happening is the coach. And except that his late decisions are pretty weird and demanding some explanation. For example how come we don't see Jankulovsky playing? We waited few years and there were some excitement when he arrived, and what for? The guy didn't even get his chance! I mean we have this big hole in the left position and concede almost every game because of it, so try him out as a left defender what u have to lose???? Are u sick or what?? Explaine urself! And what about this stupidity playing Kaladze as a CD and Stam as RD??? I mean god is anyone here thinks it's normal?? What's the f*cking problem to play Stam in the middle and Simic in the right??? Someone please explaine it to me!
We lost two years in a row the CL tittle to a team that inferior to us, and same thing in the Scudeto. If this isn't a good reason to sack the coach I don't know what it is.
P.S. We still have great players: best striker in the world Sheva, Kaka that maybe the next Platini (don't forget that players in that role usualy hit their peak after mid 20 like Zidane or Totti), Pirlo and Nesta that are considered to be two of the best in their positions.. And I still believe in Dida. I would say that next year we should heavily reinforce our team and even rebuilted it changing the coach and atleast 4 or 5 of our starting players. In the midfield we can do it gradually but our defence is a disaster and we even don't have any replacements in sight.
I'm pretty sure that if we won't see some big changes and cush spending this summer, we may forget about any trophies in the near future.
Yay!! :5chore: Sash is back!! :uhm:
Josh-Sheva
18-01-2006, 12:40
You are right except the seedorf thing, he is amazing, we cant play without him!
Come on, man, wake up !
Maldini is still one of the best !! You just need to spare him from time to time... And that's quite the same about Cafu... I agree, this might be their last season, but leave them this season, they can really add something...
And what are you telling about Gattuso ?? I mean, man, every team needs such a player, with perfect mentality ! Even if his technique is not the best of the squad, the number of balls he keeps out of the danger zone, and the amount of kilometers he runs in a game are just incredible !!!
And what's your point about Ancelotti ?? Do you know many teams winning the CL 3 times in a row ??? Come on, dude ! For that you can't blame him ! He is a great coach, and his work has nothing but positive effects on this team !
Don't you realise all that he has done for this team ? If I remember well, he's the one who's launched Pirlo at his position... He used to be "not good enough" for Inter, and he used to be a attacking midfielder like many others, now he's become a World-Class player in his position !!
I'm sorry, but you're wrong about that...
Greetz,
M
GRE-NO-LI
18-01-2006, 21:19
I'm pretty sure that if we won't see some big changes and cush spending this summer, we may forget about any trophies in the near future.
An excelent finish to summ an overall excelent post, congratulations!
Sash22, I disagree with you... and I believe you're not being respectful to Maldini and Costacurta...
Those guys have done enough to retire the day they desire to do so... they've earn it.
so what you're saying is let's keep 4-5 guys, fire everybody else, and buy what/were?
Dude, you're not thinking with your head. We're not Real Madrid, we're not Chelsea. Look back at our history... we respect players, we respect the game, we respect the fans, we respect the ball... we don't just go out with the checkbook and buy the new fancy thing...
We're an institution... something Abramovich can't buy for Chelsea... so cut the BS..
We need to get some new people, yes...
1. Well guys I'm back, and to celebrate this event I'm opening this thread... as a "welcome back" party if u wish.
2. Milan currently facing the end of an era, an age or how ever u may call it. I see here people opening little threads like "cafu is out?" or "seedorf shouldn't be in first team" and i'm just amazed that people don't see the whole picture!!! It's much more complicated and I want to present to u the full picture:
Players Out:
3. Maldini:Great player, dedicated himself to Milan for twenty years and we may say one of the greatest ever who played for us, a living legend..... ok MOVE ON!!! He cannot play at this level anymore, he is hurting the team... so please man RETIRE already!!! Same about Costacurta.... I mean comon u are 40 years old, go get urself some real job.
4. Cafu: Same thing, too old, I hope we won't see him playing next year.
5. Stam: Can hardly tell, some times he looks impresive but only when he plays in his role as a CD (and that's quite rare). But I'm pretty sure we shouldn't count on him next year.
6. Gattuso: I mean realy, people just think straight! He maybe give his all on the pitch, but it's simply isn't enough. Team in this level can't allow to have a regular player in the middle that completly lucking any creativity, shot or passing ability... I prefer to see Ballack or Van Bommel in that position. I know that Gattuso has many fans here and many people may disagree with me, but what can I say? The guy just isn't good enough.
7. Seedorf: I simply don't like the guy, his football is just too dark and unattractive. He and Gattuso are important to get possession over the ball, but since they don't do it quite good as they used to (for example we were weaker in the middle than our opponents when we played against Barca or Inter) and their lack of creativity and passing ability is too unforgiven, I rather see Seedorf leave.
8. Anceloti: People the simple fact that we should be european champions 3 years in a row, and the only guy I can blame for that not happening is the coach.
9. For example how come we don't see Jankulovsky playing? We waited few years and there were some excitement when he arrived, and what for? The guy didn't even get his chance! I mean we have this big hole in the left position and concede almost every game because of it, so try him out as a left defender what u have to lose????
10. Are u sick or what??
11. Explaine urself! And what about this stupidity playing Kaladze as a CD and Stam as RD???
12. We lost two years in a row the CL tittle to a team that inferior to us, and same thing in the Scudeto. If this isn't a good reason to sack the coach I don't know what it is.
1. God no!
2. If you with "end of era" means "may need some new defenders" then you are correct.
3. To say Maldini is hurting the team ranks among the most stupid things I read here. If anything the team is hurt by him being injuried. He is likely to retire despite still being great.
4. Your wish will be granted from what I heard.
5. He doesn't look much more or less impressive in either position, he is indivualy good, but his collaboration and position sense sometimes creates problems.
6. It is enough if he gives his all, surely that have been a winning recipy. No the problem is the games he doesn't give his all, those games he is a mediocre player. He is best in the hot and hard games like against Juve where his qualities shine. There is not many players like him around. so when we lose against the top teams of this world people will ask where he is...
7. "Dark and unattractive"??? and comparing him to Gattuso, now I at least know for sure that you can't have watched us play or even watched football at all. Dear me.
8. Please! Some would think the fact we done best in the tournament out of all teams in europe the last three years would be enough...
9. He have been injuried. He is not a natural left defender.
10. He looks quite healthy to me, but he should stop smoking.
11. Lack of RB options. (or did you expect Ancelotti to come here and explain it to you?)
12. "don't know" is the keyword in your case.
An excelent finish to summ an overall excelent post, congratulations!
Had been funny had it been sarcastic. alas...
Sash22, I disagree with you... and I believe you're not being respectful to Maldini and Costacurta...
hmm football is hard... why always be oww he has done this and this one has done that...
rebuild squad... i agree with sash!
and yes we are not chelsea and not real... but we are top team and we got money... the problem is where does it al go to??
i cant believe how some people here can call themselves milanistas... no matter what you do... no amtter how bad we are playing, no matter what happens u can not say that about maldini or costacurta... fine... we need new players ... we all agree there... we need a change ok! ... but maldini should be respected the way u respect ur parents... IMO if u agree with sash... ur no milanista... and dont tell me how long uve been a fan... maldini is all milan and if u think the same way sash does about maldini then u can go fcuk urself for all i care...
i don't think that we need to rebuild the whole team that's crazy, we just need new defenders to replace Costacurta, Stam and a backup for Cafu ofcourse, and maybe a replacement for Rui if he leaves next season that's all.
i cant believe how some people here can call themselves milanistas... no matter what you do... no amtter how bad we are playing, no matter what happens u can not say that about maldini or costacurta... fine... we need new players ... we all agree there... we need a change ok! ... but maldini should be respected the way u respect ur parents... IMO if u agree with sash... ur no milanista... and dont tell me how long uve been a fan... maldini is all milan and if u think the same way sash does about maldini then u can go fcuk urself for all i care...
This is why I quote Galliani again by saying "Maldini is a not a symbol of Milan... Maldini IS Milan"
Maldini (and Costacurta) have so much class that they wouldn't go out on the pitch if they couldn't perform... we all know they are not 25 anymore, but that doesn't matter...
they will retire when their time comes... they know it... they don't need us to tell them...
and to me, if they want to play when they are 45, they can do it... there's nothing we can give them in return for all they have given Milan as a club, and all of us as Milanistas... nothing...
i don't think that we need to rebuild the whole team that's crazy, we just need new defenders to replace Costacurta, Stam and a backup for Cafu ofcourse, and maybe a replacement for Rui if he leaves next season that's all.
Thank God for sensible fans. :)
Being great is also to know when u have to step away... I mean for god sake let me repeat it: we lost the CL and the Scudetto tittle two years in a row to teams that inferior than us (Depo, Liverpool and Juve) and in some games we were outplayed by our opponents (Inter, Barca and even PSV)... Our players ain't getting better and we loose our strength year after year. Another reason for sacking the coach is that two years in a row we keep suffering from crosses and set-pieces, the only guy I can blame is the coach (I mean it's a purely training thing). We need some new blood to motivate the team, and to change the "broken" parts.
Next year we will be even weaker and win nothing, if that what u want "true milanesta" so be it.
Welcome to the football world. Later name one team that this not happened too.
Well I can't name a team that twice had 3 goals advantage and than lost... two years in a row.
$hit happens... why is that maldini's fault then?
I didn't blame only Maldini... so pay more attention. And now honestly, is there anyone here that truly thinks that Maldini can carry on one more season?
GRE-NO-LI
20-01-2006, 13:06
Being great is also to know when u have to step away... I mean for god sake let me repeat it: we lost the CL and the Scudetto tittle two years in a row to teams that inferior than us (Depo, Liverpool and Juve) and in some games we were outplayed by our opponents (Inter, Barca and even PSV)... Our players ain't getting better and we loose our strength year after year. Another reason for sacking the coach is that two years in a row we keep suffering from crosses and set-pieces, the only guy I can blame is the coach (I mean it's a purely training thing). We need some new blood to motivate the team, and to change the "broken" parts.
Next year we will be even weaker and win nothing, if that what u want "true milanesta" so be it.
Your post reveal great lucidity, congratulations. I guess it's painly obvious that our levels of performance are declining year after year, and almost nothing is being done to reverse that ominous state of things. I really need not only to reshuffle the squad (mainly the retaguard, but also one more top class attacking midfielder and a young striker): we need too a new coach, gifted with a bolder disposition.
Finally, I think that a "true milanista" always want us performing at the highest level possible!
GavinMilan
20-01-2006, 22:56
Welcome back
I agree and disagree with Sash.
Firstly, Maldini was the best and now he is one of the best. It is true he is no longer the same player he was, but he is still better than most defenders in this world, including all those young guns out there. The problem is, Maldini is injury prone. But when he plays, he dominates.
Cafu is the same as Maldini.
I think the problem with us is that we are so used to Cafu and Maldini being the best that when they underperform, we all assumer they are too old and not as good as others. The fact is, even when they underperform, they are still better than most defenders in the planet.
The funny thing is, when an exp. defender made a mistake, we say they are too old and they lost a step or two. When a young defender make a mistake, we say they are young and in exp.
I hope to see both of them next year, but at the same time, Milan really need to get some fresh legs in the back, not to replace them but to rotate them here and there, inorder for Cafu and Maldini to always be fresh throughout the season.
As for Stam, he is on the same situation as Seedorf. Both of them are inconsistent. Which I do not know why? Beside the fact that both are being lazy. To that point I think it is best for them to leave Milan. Not saying they are not good quality but it seems that they are not giving their all.
Gattuso is interesting. He is the perfect role player, having said that, I really don't think he should be in the starting 11 unless Milan is playing a truly offensive mind team and need to play defense from the start. It is true he cuts off teams attack, but it is also true he slows down or stops the flow to Milan offensive games. One thing that he could be useful is to have a good long shot. But I rarely see that. If he can have a good long shot, he will be very useful.
Janku has been injured, so no comment there.
And I could not agree with u more about Ancellotti. I am so glad someone think so too and I am thrill to hear that Frank or Donadoni maybe our coach next year.
Yes, I also believe that Milan should have won three years in a row, if it was not for Ancellotti
Well guys I'm back, and to celebrate this event I'm opening this thread... as a "welcome back" party if u wish.
welcome back!!! I am sure that every place needs some people like you!!! :p017:
Thanks guys, it's good to be appreciate (finally :) )...
One player I'm dying to see at Milan is Ballack, I can't believe that no one here didn't bring it up... He is great player, one of the best midfielders in the world and most important he is hungry to win the CL (this is why he's leaving Bayern). And in the next transfer window he will be a free player as his contract running out. I rad that Juve and Real are after him... so why aren't we? Kaka-Ballack-Pirlo... won't it be just deadly?
I don't blame Galliani for our poor transfer activity, I think it's mostly Berlusconi calling the shots... he is the guy we should bitching about.
Thank God for sensible fans. :)
Hey Kris , Do you realise that some ( New ) people in this forum is sooo much like to dream.. They alway complain and complain and urged the club to buy new players.. They even want to throw Maldini away... HAHAHA...
This Forum Had changed alot since 2003-2004...
Too many Dreamer here...
Well I'm not that "new"... I have been here before, got kicked twice. And being long time in this forum doesn't mean that u are a football specialist ot something, so chill.
GRE-NO-LI
21-01-2006, 12:32
Nobody here wants to throw Maldini away, that's sheer nonsense! Nevertheless, the club really need new players, i's an imperative that everybody perceives.
Nirvana FC
21-01-2006, 12:42
Agree with you, Sash22, but I think Seedorf must stay.
For veteran players, like those on our defense, it's hard to peak phisically and it easier to lost this momentum.
With one or two it's ok, but with five (Stam, Maldini, Costacurta, Cafu and Serginho, who is playing LB role this season) is really hard to handle.
The funny thing is: there are some decent options for free or almost it, like De Jong, Gallas, and Ballack to reinforce the midfield.
GRE-NO-LI
21-01-2006, 12:52
The funny thing is: there are some decent options for free or almost it, like De Jong, Gallas, and Ballack to reinforce the midfield.
That's right, meanwhile we are sleeping...
Well I'm not that "new"... I have been here before, got kicked twice. And being long time in this forum doesn't mean that u are a football specialist ot something, so chill.
Hehehe... From what you've write to this forum I'am sosososo not Surprise if you've got kick twice...
And I've never said that I'am an expert...
SO DO YOU... hahaha....
OR.. Do You????
If You DO.. Then Please forgive me for living in my Real world..
... From what you've write to this forum I'am sosososo not Surprise if you've got kick twice...
Third time man, third time...
Thanks guys, it's good to be appreciate (finally :) )...
One player I'm dying to see at Milan is Ballack, I can't believe that no one here didn't bring it up... He is great player, one of the best midfielders in the world and most important he is hungry to win the CL (this is why he's leaving Bayern). And in the next transfer window he will be a free player as his contract running out. I rad that Juve and Real are after him... so why aren't we? Kaka-Ballack-Pirlo... won't it be just deadly?
Your mistake is claiming none brought him up, he have been mentioned a couple of hundred times.
Second mistake is claiming we have not been in for him. I am quite sure we have talked with his agent about his intentions and very possibly sent a offer too.
anyway, midfield is not the teampart we need to think most about and it could be questioned why you would want a 30 year old player after having complained about old players...
Stam is 33.5+, Maldini is 37.5, Costacurta is almost 40, Cafu is 35.5 and and Serginho is 34.5 years old.... Ballack isn't even 30 years old, so I think he can give us 3-4 good seassons, and don't forget that he'll come for free, so.... Kris u can see by urself. Zidane movede to Real at the age of 29 for I believe 50 millions (he is still the most expansive player ever) and took with Real the CL and La liga trophies...
And when I say "go for him", I don't mean like to call his agent "hi, can Ballack come play for us... no? OK, bye...", but put some energy and resources in it!
And if u say that we shouldn't think too much about our midfield... well if u want to get used to idea that we are outplayed by teams like Barca or Inter in that particilar area (and don't forget PSV), so... ok!!! But hey, don't forget that u are very "sensible" fan... Is to loose 4-0 at riazor, 3-1 at eindhoven, 3-3 at Istanbul sounds "sensible" to u?
First of all......Maldini hurts the team??? No comments from me on that....just that it is the stuppidest thing I have ever heard from anyone.
Second......Gattuso isn't good enough??? Are you serious? I am not the biggest fan of Gattuso either, but to say that we sould sell him becuz he sux is crazy. Simply because if he isn't on the field, we would have conceded far more goals then we already have. Then............maybe you'll call for us to sell Nesta too??? We need Gattuso. Do you know what happened to Madrid when they sold Makalele???? They still lack that player in their team and to this day they can't find anyone that's even half the player Makalele is. So What are the chances that we will find a great replacement for Gattuso?? Not that good.
Third.........How do you know if we have approached Ballack or not. How do you know that our managment isn't approaching another player that they think is a better deal then Ballack. You don't! I don't! Calciomercato doesn't know, Channel4 doesn't know! Nobody knows except the bold guy and the guy with the money. But the papers have to make money don't they?
I don't agree with the stuff you say at all. It is all nonsence to me. Yes, there are some difficulties at the club now, but to sell half of a starting line up that was in a CL FINAL just 9 months ago is insane.
hitmannq8
23-01-2006, 22:43
obviously we should not sell the whole team as many suggest and especially maldini..even if he doesnt play, maldini boosts the confidence of the players for just being there..
well, if an offer of 20 million comes in for Gattuso, i really think it would be great to take it without any hesitation and he can be replaced very easily by Ambrosini, if not Ballack.. i dont know if Milan consider him irreplaceable especially after the comments of him wanting to leave.. i have noticed that every1 wanted him to be the captain after Maldini retires but at the moment, Ambro is gettin the captain's armband even when Rino plays, and if Max isnt on, Sheva gets it, and when Sheva once got subbed off, it was Dida that got it..You see how many players come before Gattuso after his comments of wanting to play in UK?.. maybe im just speculating because it gives me nice ideas, but maybe they just might actually think of selling him?..
i really think Milan should be gettin a player that knows how to cross and pass properly, i honestly do not know any player in europe that has as many bad passes/crosses/shots as Gattuso..but yet again his physical presence is important for Milan and he does shine sometimes..his angry attitude is an advantage for us as it boosts confidence of other players in the team, but it also is a disadvantage as how we've seen before with him getting sent off, and with his childish acts with Poulsen at the end of the Schalke game.. so there's lots of pro's and con's, and i really dont mind what happens, but he is the only player in the starting lineup that i do not mind replacing..
Gattuso is irreplaceable.
Of course, you can play someone else in the position... but what Gattuso adds is something special.
Ambrosini is injured again... he's 3rd. captain after Maldini and Costacurta for his many years in the team... I guess in order, the C armband goes like this:
1.- Maldini
2.- Costacurta
3.- Ambrosini
4.- Shevchenko
5.- Gattuso
6.- Rui Costa
7.- Dida
and after that, could be anyone.
Gattuso is after more than just being captain... Milan will only see him go if he asks for it openly. He will not be traded.
hitmannq8
23-01-2006, 23:23
Btw, Rui and Dida were both captains when Gattuso was on the pitch..I think it was vs Ascoli..
Rui was captain at the start of the game, then when he was replaced by someone, dida got the capt's armband
You're right... I could have listed them above Rino... although last season Rino got the band in at least one game... can't remember which one...
GavinMilan
24-01-2006, 05:23
Honestly, I would not be upset or mad or disappointed if Gattuso leaves Milan.
I beleived that some of the current Milan players really lost interest in playing for Milan. Not saying they are not quality but they just seem to not giving their all for Milan.
It is very hard for a player to stay in one club for their whole career, especially if they won everything there is to win with that club. Ofcourse there are exceptions like Maldini and Billy.... but for most players sometime a change in environment will help them perform.
Thats my two cents for the day
Just read in an Israeli site that Milan trying to get Shneider from Ajax, I heard that he's good but didn't see him much in action. But that made me to remember another great young player... Heitinga. As far as I know he is a multi-role player that can play as well as in defence as in midfield... and we usualy use one CD to move up and push if the opponent playing too defensively, so he can be perfect for us. I think he has a good shot also...
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