Announcers and commentators... [Archive]

Debs

10-06-2006, 12:33

My roomie just turned on the current WC match of Sweden vs Trinidad & Tobago....and who's annoncing it but an old friend of ours, John Paul Dellacamera. We knew him waayyyy back when he was the radio announcer for the local semi-pro hockey team we had here in Erie. He's got a good announcer's voice, no doubt about it, but in the past couple of years, I've found him to be very biased and know-it-allish. Dare I say....ahem...being a Yank myself, but he comes across as the typical transplanted Yank.

Jim_UK

10-06-2006, 17:58

In England on terrestrial tv (ie not sky/cable) we've been treated to these commentary teams.

On the BBC we have:

Jonathan Pearce: A good commentator, knows his stuff, doesn't pretend to know it all and for the most part isn't too biased.

John Motson: He's like a national institution now especially as the former national institution (barry davies) stopped commentating on football. He knows absolutely everything. He can call on facts about some remote game played in Outer Mongolia in 1937 off the top of his head. But he's just so annoying, gets excited about the merest of things, is kind of biased and you get the feeling that his new found celebrity status since he's been numero uno has gone to his head. I can't stand him anymore.

Co-Commentator: Mark Lawrenson: Ex-Liverpool legend, has a better chemistry with Motson than Pearce, but is just so dour and boring that he'll send you to sleep. Hardly ever says anything interesting, now and again he'll have a sudden flash of humour.

ITV:

Clive Tyldsley: What an idiot. I hate him. A bit arrogant, clearly works for Man Utd as in every game he does, he'll sneak in a reference or two about Man Utd, even when there is no obvious link. He just feels really slimey and is painful to listen to.

Peter Drury: He's alright, i quite like him. He isn't too biased, doesn't get to excited. Not bad to listen too.

Co-Commentator: David Pleat: Ex player/manager/F.A. director: Thinks he knows everything, but doesn't. Can hardly pronounce any names correctly. Is just absolutely terrible. Can't stand him.

Hardly a great choice so far !

Vadim

10-06-2006, 18:00

John Motson announces for the FIFA games, right? The announcers at ESPN are decent. Nothing special, no incredible insight on games, but not too bad. I can't stand that one guy on GOL TV who says 'wunderful' and sounds like he's having an orgasm anytime any team gets a chance. :ilol:

rae

11-06-2006, 02:54

Here in Lithuania we have two ridiculous comentators... if you could understand lithuanian I bet you will die laughing from them... they are phuckin crazy idiots. :haha:

Jim_UK

11-06-2006, 06:40

That's right Vadim, Motson has done a few fifa games.

Kaka1899

11-06-2006, 11:20

Jim Uk dont bad mouth the motson! :p017: :ilol:

Jim_UK

11-06-2006, 13:43

put you don't have to put up with him year after year :haha:

So i'm watching the Mexico v Iran game and it gets to half time and who do they have in the studio analysing the match ? None other than LEONARDO !!!!!!!!! :wow: :v408: :D

Stezagud

11-06-2006, 19:20

I hate Motson and his whiny voice, that and his annoying habit of constantly bringing up anything remotely controversial over and over in a match, England scored after 3 minutes against Paraguay and he was still asking Lawrensen whether Beckham would get it in the 2nd half :rolleyes:

Clive Tyldsley: What an idiot. I hate him. A bit arrogant, clearly works for Man Utd as in every game he does, he'll sneak in a reference or two about Man Utd, even when there is no obvious link. He just feels really slimey and is painful to listen to.

I hate him too, and he's an Arsenal fan surely! well, more of a Thierry Henry fan in truth, he constantly brings him up in the most trivial situations, he even got a mention in the Poland-Ecuador game! If ITV have any of the France games i think i'll be watching with the sound off ;)

Sky have the best teams as they get ex players who have knowledge and passion for the game, the Beeb and ITV hire plain speaking boring voiced types like Shearer, Peacock, Le Saux, Southgate etc etc

At least Strachan is back on the beeb, he's got the gift of the gab...

mk18

11-06-2006, 19:34

arab commentators... no comment!

rahul.acm

11-06-2006, 20:17

I usually watch the asian version of ESPN and when the commentators do the talking we just do the listening. Clear, refined and unadulterated chat with good but not famous experts. They include Jason Dasey, Colette Wong, Uday Joshi and Steve Dawson.

The football experts include former Liverpool and England midfielder Steve McMahon, ex-Birmingham City and Stockport defender Paul Masefield plus highly-respected pundit Jamie Reeves. They’re not afraid to speak candidly about the big football issues of the day

Kaka1899

13-06-2006, 05:11

They all lie in uk like last nite Italy vs Ghana Motson wa sayin 'ohh Ghana will win this for sure the itlains have no pace' and then after Italy scored (great goal by the way) he wa sayin 'oh iv sed all along that Italy wa going to score first and win this match' i was like SHUT UP!

Stezagud

13-06-2006, 12:02

I noticed that too, what made it even stranger is in the tv guide (which i got last week) Motson tipped italy to win the whole tournament !

sf_esq

13-06-2006, 13:19

US announcers are absolutely horrible. They don't stop talking the entire time as if they are covering a US sporting event (like basketball, or something that is very fast paced that requires more commentary). They should comment less so that one can actually enjoy the game. I wish we had the UK coverage. Those announcers are outstanding for the most part.

Vadim

13-06-2006, 13:58

ACMILAN1983

13-06-2006, 17:07

For BBC, one of the football pundits is our very own Leonardo. His football knowledge has been admirable, always making good judgements on potential stars, sides and has quality judgement on tactics. Add to this he's probably the most stylish pundit right now in the UK. ;)

Jim_UK

13-06-2006, 17:20

Dev, look at post #7 ! :D hehe

Another reason why i dislike Motson, he kept calling Ronaldinho Ze Roberto ! How the heck can you confuse the two ?

ACMILAN1983

14-06-2006, 07:09

Dev, look at post #7 ! :D hehe

Another reason why i dislike Motson, he kept calling Ronaldinho Ze Roberto ! How the heck can you confuse the two ?

lol, man you got ahead of me on both commentators and Leonardo, but I think that I'm the first to mention that another Milan legend, Desailly, also does punditry on BBC, though he's not impressed me as much as Leonardo.

King tiger

14-06-2006, 07:23

Here in Balkans comentators are incredibly stupid.
During one Primera match someone scored, during replay of goal there is "angulo contrario" title=contrary angle, and our stupid comentator said:"goal was scored by Angulo Contrario"!?:lol

Jim_UK

14-06-2006, 07:50

mk18

14-06-2006, 08:21

i dont like english commentary, its usually quieter than others, i prefer arabic commentators because its nicer to make fun of the stupid things they say, and they go nuts on the simplest of chances, the best ones usually come from egypt, morroco/tunisia, or from the gulf ... jordanian commentary is the absolute worst!

ACMILAN1983

14-06-2006, 15:17

I quite like Desailly Dev, although he didn't seem to like Italy at all ... which i found a little odd. Fair enough they were playing his home country, but even so he seemed a little dismissive of the Azzuri.

I agree, but in general it seems to me that the BBC were quite negative of Italy, though Hanson and O'Neill admitted they were making a poor judgement. I think in Desailly's case its mostly because it was Ghana playing.

However, Motson really got on my nerves in that match as his knowledge of the current Italy is not only poor, but incredibly biased against them.

Jim_UK

14-06-2006, 17:46

Completely agree Dev. I thought that Motson & Lawrenson were really anti Italy, some of their comments were just embaressing and very stereotypical.

Vadim

14-06-2006, 18:38

More great coverage by the Americans. In yesterdays Brazil match they made such brilliant observations as "If Croatia scores, the score will be tied," "Had Kaka not scored, the match would have gone differently," and "Ronaldo is not playing too well." They also said how Adriano is well appreciated in Inter. Its like they don't pay attention what goes on in the football world outside of the World Cup.

Then there is the mandatory reminder of USA's next game every 15 minutes and also the mention of how poorly the USA played. In today's match they must have mentioned 3 times how well Ukraine did in qualifying. Tommy Smith needs new glasses, as he kept saying how well the free-kick was struck even though it took a deflection and the other guy kept telling him.

It sounds like they're all amateurs.

sf_esq

14-06-2006, 19:12

You guys are lucky to have Leonardo. Our "expert" over here is Eric Wynalda, a mediocre former U.S. national team player and absolutely horrible announcer. What I would do for BBC coverage...

Kaka1899

15-06-2006, 10:32

is peter drury the commentator on this is football 2004?

mk18

15-06-2006, 18:26

i saw the spain - ukraine game with english commentary and its official, english commentators are BORING!!! ... a guy scores and the guy goes, oh what a goal by torres.. theres no sense of excitement in it... too quiet, too stuck up ... in arabic a guy plays a ball, the commentator goes warrrrrrrararara... alllalalalalaaaaa... hilwaaaah hilwaaaaaaaa awiiiii ... but offcourse we do have the occasional f- ups ... they talk too much about stuff that we dont need to know... like how many cars a players has, how many people live in his house (exageration offcourse) ...etc and one loves to burp every now and then ...

on JTV (jordan television) a game analytic was talking once during half time and his cell phone rang, he opened his suitcase and he answered the phone!!!!

Graeme C

16-06-2006, 11:02

Completely agree Dev. I thought that Motson & Lawrenson were really anti Italy, some of their comments were just embaressing and very stereotypical.

i started to cringe when they said Cannovaro and Nesta used to play club football together... i only like the Bravo football italia team, they kno what they are talking about

Jim_UK

16-06-2006, 11:34

It would be fantastic to have Gary Richardson, Peter Brackley (although he does do work on 5) et al on board for the Italian matches. All the BBC had were people who knew nothing about Italian football or Desailly who was obviously supporting Ghana.

It would add some depth to everything that's for sure and also make it less biased.

Stezagud

16-06-2006, 11:40

i saw the spain - ukraine game with english commentary and its official, english commentators are BORING!!!

I guess it depends on what your used to as i feel the opposite, much as i dislike almost every british commentator i am glad they stay in the background and let the football do the talking. I remember seeing the Italian coverage of an Inter goal a few years back, Vieri tapped it in from about 2 yards out and then there was about 10 minutes of a guy going "AGOLAGOLAGOLAGOLAGOLAGOLAGOL......" he only stopped because he needed oxygen ;)

i started to cringe when they said Cannovaro and Nesta used to play club football together...

lol yeah, for a decade apparently! i guess Cannavaro has been cunningly disguised as Maldini so the Juve fans wouldnt get notice :D

Kaka1899

16-06-2006, 15:13

originally posted by stezagud
guess Cannavaro has been cunningly disguised as Maldini so the Juve fans wouldnt get notice

That must have been one hec of a disguise! :ilol:

It annoyed me when Motson couldnt say the italian players names properly like every Italian commentator calls pirlo pirlo but motson calls him pearlo. like u cant change sum1ns name cos its easier to say!

The bbc needs :u31: for Italian matches cos they ant got a clue!

Stezagud

16-06-2006, 16:16

yeah, they usually try and sound like they know what they're talking about by pronouncing the names in some strange extravagant way, for example Gila becomes G-ala-dinho, at cleast he does when they're not calling him Luca Toni by mistake :D

ACMILAN1983

16-06-2006, 16:57

I'm sick of ITV's coverage now. I can't believe they've gone as far as to not bother commenting on matches and focus on England only.

Jim_UK

16-06-2006, 17:16

That annoyed me so much Steza, how Gilardino suddenly became Brazilian and had extra letters pumped into his name. You're right about Pirlo too Kaka1899, motson kept saying purlo or pearlo ... idiot.

The itv guy today kept over pronouncing Zokora, it was driving me insane. Why do they do that ?

I'm also glad that Argentina put on some good football as it kept me from falling asleep listening to Mick McCarthy's voice. He could help insomniacs sleep his voice is so monotone and downbeat !

Stezagud

16-06-2006, 17:25

Mick McCarthy !

As you say he is so monotonous and only really commentates on one subject:

player goes down in agony

Mick: That werrr never a foul, he's barely touched him!

Drury(?): but Mick, he went in knee high with his studs, you could here the bone break !

Mick: yerrr well, in mahhh day, that werrr never a foul !

mk18

16-06-2006, 21:10

I guess it depends on what your used to as i feel the opposite, much as i dislike almost every british commentator i am glad they stay in the background and let the football do the talking. I remember seeing the Italian coverage of an Inter goal a few years back, Vieri tapped it in from about 2 yards out and then there was about 10 minutes of a guy going "AGOLAGOLAGOLAGOLAGOLAGOLAGOL......" he only stopped because he needed oxygen ;)

maybe but dont you feel that theres no soul in it?? ... i probably wouldnt have jumped off my chair in shock had i seen the cambiasso goal today with english commentary, hed probably say what a beautiful goal by argentina, such sublime passing and a great finish... honestly i would lose all interest in football and I would rather switch to watching paint dry

Jim_UK

17-06-2006, 06:24

Mk, i think Jonathan Pearce (BBC commentary) finished it off with "ooohhh ... what a lovely goal" :rollani: For most of the build up he was talking about another tournament i think, he only picked back up on the passing when Saviola passed the square ball across the box to Cambiasso, missing out the other 21 passes :stress:

You're so right Steza :haha:

He just bumbles on about the same thing in every game 'In 4 years time, the next world cup will be a non contact sport" .. or "that would never be a foul in the premiership" ... say something original !

Kaka1899

17-06-2006, 07:26

Mick Macarthy Comes from the same town as i do! dont bad mouth the Macarthy Jim UK! :ilol:

Debs

17-06-2006, 09:20

The US announcers can not stop talking about the US NT. They have to remind you at least 5 times a match when the US is playing, against who, on what channel, what time, etc. And there are other constant reminders such as "You are watching Switzerland vs. France on ESPN2" or "All games can be seen on ABC, ESPN, and ESPN2 on high definition." It gets really annoying. I like Tommy Smith though, but that's probably because he's English :D

Wonder who the announcers will be for today's Italy USA match, especially since it's being aired on ABC (for those unfamiliar, one of the big networks, as in even those with just terrestrial get it) and oooo, can they stand to do it without commercials? I mean actual commercials, not just the necessary station ID. But I agree, Vadim, they do need to bone up on how to announce a soccer match. If it's John Paul I'll have to watch with the sound off! :hammer: And I have to tape the match--we're going to be out and aobut and I don't know if we'll be home for the beginning of it.

Jim_UK

18-06-2006, 08:58

I can't believe how bad David Pleat is at commentating. Gilardino has now been given a 3rd name, Gilardini !!!!! Add to that his Brazilian name of Gilardinho, these guys are a joke. Plus Pleat was encouraging the U.S.A players to entice a yellow card out of Zambrotta to get him sent off !! What the hell !

Both BBC and ITV have been so against Italy it is untrue. Oh for a truly unbiased commentator ... just one, i'm not greedy. Oh and if he/she can pronounce names right that would be a glorious bonus.

I did however see something really great on the BBC though. At the end of the Portugal v Iran game they showed Leonardo doing some keep ups ! He was awesome, flicking it over his head, step overs, everything ... he did this insane move where he flicked it up and let it roll down his body and legs to his feet ... at the same time he went from a standing position to a sitting position and as the ball got to his feet he flicked it up and started doing keep ups sitting down ... it was amazing :eek:

Then Ian Wright came in flicked it up once and hoofed it 50 yards ... that was funny ! :D A clear reference to the John Smith's ads :D

ACMILAN1983

18-06-2006, 11:01

Leonardo's technical skills in the keepy ups was truely awsome. I really couldn't believe how good he was.

Kaka1899

18-06-2006, 11:24

I cant believe how ITv keep saying ' The usa will have to watch Luca Toni to night hes very dangerous' and then 10 mins later there sayin 'Luca Toni isnt that dangerous the usa are coping quite comfortably with him.' i was like make ur mind up and then sam allerdyce kept calling fiorentina florentina how long has there been a l in fiorentina!

Jim_UK

18-06-2006, 14:53

David Pleat actually invented a player in the Croatia v Japan game ! Instead of Srjna, he said Srjnajic or something to that effect. It completely threw me for a minute, i was thinking "well, he didn't mean Simic, or Simunic, or Srjna .. so who's Srjnajic ?" They have absolutely no clue at all about anything.

Every game on both channels there is 'an update from Baden Baden' :rollani: I wish they'd just concentrate on the teams that are playing the games they feature, not make it a big spectacle about England.

maria leonor

18-06-2006, 16:36

hi,
although it is impossible for me to see Leo talking in English during this world cup 2006 it was possible for us brazilians to see him talking with galvao bueno at Globo during the Brazil first game.
For me is extremely difficult to talk about him,because I really love and admire Leo since I was young,not only because he is handsome,but also all the things he does for the children with Gol de Letra Foundation and also the milan foundation.
its very good to watch him during the world cup games ,because here in Brazil is difficult to see news about Leo!!!
if somebody read my topic,and could help me to find much more news about him it would be fantastic !!
And to fiinish my topic,I recomend to you see a very well done site that was made by one of leo´s fans that shows all his soccer trajetory and another interesting news http://www.leosempre.hpg.ig.com.br/leosempre.html

Milan_Mad

18-06-2006, 19:03

Jim you are so right about David Pleat he must be the worst commentator its untrue he was so up for the USA on saturday He's suposed to be unbiased. What also made me laugh is him saying De Rossi is like the Gerrard of England, Pleat just don't go there

Kaka1899

19-06-2006, 06:13

Why on matches that have nothing to do with england eg Brazil vs Australia do they keep talking about england instead of the two teams tht are playing. maybe because they dont know enough about the two teams that are playing so they use England as a get out clause?

Jim_UK

19-06-2006, 11:08

both ITV and the BBC seem to think that all the viewers want to hear about is the latest goings on with England at Baden Baden. But i'm sure the majority of us don't want to know, i know i don't. I would much rather have news, interviews, details about the 2 teams playing in the match they broadcast rather than knowing what Wayne Rooney had for breakfast today.

I know what you mean Milan Mad, Pleat hasn't got a clue has he. The gerrard/De Rossi comaprison was a joke ... and i'm sure he did something similar in the Arsenal v Juve game where he called Camoranesi the Italian David Beckham !

rahul.acm

19-06-2006, 11:25

The american comemtators are simply great. I think they beleive that it is the basketball WC going on!
Some goofs:

-rebrov and sheva partenered each other at dinamo moscow
-daniella rossi fouled

Vadim

19-06-2006, 14:03

ACMILAN1983

19-06-2006, 14:10

I thought this was a pretty funny article about ITV's coverage of the WC so far...

http://football.guardian.co.uk/worldcup2006/comment/story/0,,1800896,00.html

rahul.acm

19-06-2006, 14:23

Rahul, do you know who the announcers were today? I know one of them said something about Blokhin scoring on him, and that he had Blokhin's jersey hanging on his wall. He used to be a goalie somewhere, but I'm not sure where.

Shep Messing (http://www.ussoccerplayers.com/exclusives/447872.html) and his tail. Getting a jersey or being a good player doesn't him a good commentator. One of the most biased commentators I have ever seen. Every other minute he was talking about sheva and hardly spoke anything about KSA. Later in the second half when ESPN was showing sheva's goal's replay, he was talking as if sheva scored another goal.

Some of his videos (http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=shep+messing&page=1&so=0)

Did you see the small clip they played on sheva, his wife, their differences in languages and their beautiful house near lake Como? We have really lost a big man from our team.

Kaka1899

20-06-2006, 09:38

Whe the Ukraine were playing yesterday the commentator who ever it was when Ukraine scored there second goal (the 30 yard shot) he wen 'oohh look its krept in and the goalkeeper slipped' almost as tho he was trying to take somthing away from this goal instead of saying what a fabulouse goal he tryed to put it down and i dont agree with that taking things aay from a persons special moment.

mk18

20-06-2006, 18:19

it was a great goal but the goalkeeper was pure shizer

mk18

20-06-2006, 18:48

I guess it depends on what your used to as i feel the opposite, much as i dislike almost every british commentator i am glad they stay in the background and let the football do the talking. I remember seeing the Italian coverage of an Inter goal a few years back, Vieri tapped it in from about 2 yards out and then there was about 10 minutes of a guy going "AGOLAGOLAGOLAGOLAGOLAGOLAGOL......" he only stopped because he needed oxygen ;)
allow me to demonstrate the difference:

English commentary (http://www.acmilanclub.com/site/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownloaddetails&lid=1527&title=1527)

what excitement, 1-0 to costa rica, still a close game and its not dead

PS: i dont have any other big games wth english commentary to post

Arabic Commentary (http://www.acmilanclub.com/site/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdownloaddetails&lid=1431)

ecuadors 2nd goal vs poland

PS: i have to admit i love how sky sports gets fans of 2 clubs to commentate games between each other, I wish we had that here with swearing available :D

Kaka1899

21-06-2006, 06:44

yeah but how can a 35-40 yard shot 'ceep in'?

Stezagud

21-06-2006, 16:29

I dont even know what channel that is? English commentary isnt as hyper as latin/arabic countries but it is usually a lot better than that Super Sport(?!) guy!

Also the games have to be viewed in context, the Costa Rica game was a non-event as both sides were already out by this point, the Ecuador-Poland game was much better. Both sides knew the winner would most likely go through with Germany and that second Ecuador goal came after a spell of Polish pressure when they hit the post twice (iirc, i saw it but i've seen so many, the early ones are a bit of a blur ;) ) which made it all the more vital.

I do like the little build up to the goal on the arabic commentary though, the way he goes "go-go-go-go-go-go-goaaaaaaal" :D what do they do if the striker misses? "go-go-go-go-go-ooops" :cool:

Jim_UK

21-06-2006, 17:17

ITV invented more new players tonight ... Trevez and Barbell ... it's so excruciating

ACMILAN1983

21-06-2006, 17:37

yeah, Big Sam Allerdyce (who me and others often call "whalrus") was on a roll tonight. He was infatuated with an often invisible Messi and barely gave some others who deserved more credit barely a mention

mk18

21-06-2006, 20:35

Jim_UK

22-06-2006, 05:24

the world cup would be over by the time Steza could find an example of good English commentary :D

Kaka1899

22-06-2006, 08:05

Why did they keep calling Dirk Kuyt count it got so annoying then when they wernt calling him count they wa calling him kite!

Stezagud

22-06-2006, 13:19

i wouldnt know where to look for some good English commentary (assuming there is some ;) ) Sky are by far the best but unfortunately they dont have rights to the world cup games, the Beeb and ITV share them :mad:

On a side note, after another great performance today i think its time Milan made a bid for this Pearlo fella :D

Jim_UK

22-06-2006, 14:12

some more painful moments from Motty and Mark Bright.

Motty: Ghana are without 2 forwards for this match, one of them Gyan scored in the last game.
Bright: (immediately afterwards) They're without their 2 main goals scorers too. :rollani:

Motty: If things don't stay the same, it means everything will change :haha:

When Polak got his second yellow, Motty didn't pick up on it at all and was all calm and normal. Then Bright said it was his second yellow and he had to leave the pitch and then Motty went crazy trying to liven up the sending off. He was almost screaming 'It's another yellow, a red for Polak, he's been sent off' etc, etc. It was a painful attempt to add excitement to his commentary.

There was a little bit by Bright about how he's not a Totti basher which i thought could be quite funny if interpreted differently :D