England's new (or old) Excuses

[yousufshakeel65]

After getting dump out of the WC, by a team who had two of its star playing missing through suspension, English *****cats have launched their new set of excuses for the worldcup defeat.

The main excuses kind of contradict each other.

"In the first 4 games, we werent boring, we were playing technique, and eventhough we werent at out best we were still winning, we are lucky, casue luck favours the brave, thats just our game play, imagine us when we are at our best" . "In the fifth game, DAMN THESE PORTUGESE were so lucky in their game, they deserved **** from this game"

The side excuses are as follows.

"Rooney doesn't deserve his red card." "Refree was ****in blind" "Portugal were lucky". "There were no washrooms in the stadium, and therefore Gerrard and Lampard were running with lumps in their pants" "The pitch was too slippery". "The weather was too hot". "Cristiano Ronaldo was too charming and seduced Beckham"


"In our hearts we know England are the true champions, and thats all that matters". "Its all Erickssons fault, he is a moron". "It wasnt rooney's fault, he is impotent, and Carvalho was sleeping with his wife, so h e wanted to amke Carvalho impotent as well". "Terry had an orgasm everytime Figo came near him, so he couldnt concentare". BLAAH BLLAAAH BLAAH

Seriously, the best thing in the WC is to see english media cry. PRICELESS.
And no other media, make sbig claim before the WC like englands. FFS if you would listen to BBC and SKY, 'they dont think they are gonna win the WC', 'they dont hope that they are gonna win the WC', "these idiots KNOW that they are gonna win the WC". ANd then to see a media like that, and morons with big claims, like Martin Tyler, and Andy Gray weep when English *****cats crashes about, now thats PRICELESS

i wouldnt have started posting this long to u, but you see I am so hyped up, and got banned from bigsoccer forums, for pissing english fans in england's sub forums, so I dontt have anything else better to do right now :5guitar:

[Jim_UK]

Well, expect to be banned from here also. Goodbye and good riddance muppet.

[Dr Milano]

Well, expect to be banned from here also. Goodbye and good riddance muppet.
shame too since he is from one of my homelands ... you let me and our country down ... bro

[Debs]

i wouldnt have started posting this long to u, but you see I am so hyped up, and got banned from bigsoccer forums, for pissing english fans in england's sub forums, so I dontt have anything else better to do right now :5guitar:


I don't give a **** about how wound up you are about England's grand exit from the World Cup. England is not the be all, end all of the game, so get over it. :d55: And you already got banned from one forum and now you're gunning for getting banned from another forum b/c you are a teenager with noting better to do than sit at your keyboard and carry on. Hey, that's really something to brag about. Please go to Xtratime next and start whining, OK? And how....DUH...to come to an AC Milan forum--hello, Italian team--and whine about England! :diablo:

[yousufshakeel65]

huh?!!! did i say something wrong?!!!... i am an ardent milan followerer, but i cannot help but hate england and english teams like manu, liverpool coz of their media,
They have got some of the most overrated players in the world, and they are without a doubt the most sucking league in europe. There national team was the biggest losers of 2006 WC, and they were a total joke, with their stupid and boring display. After getting one of the very easy paths to the QFs, they finally met there match in Portugal, who kicked them out on penalties, as ENgland's overrated stars failed to convert 3 out of their 4 penalties.

In thier domestic league, they play idiotic football. With 20 players running on the field like morons and kicking each other, HELLO I wanna see some footballing skills, and not WWE.
Looney toones has successfully managed to beat beckham in to becoming the most overrated player in the world,

and its hilarious how their media wanted Milan and Juve to get relegated, and then posting all the players possible destination as Chelsea, ManU and Arsenal.
come onnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!!

[SANT]

Yousuf,

in that case, why don't you realize we don't need negative posts...

we're not interested, and we don't want to comment on this thread you posted...

now, if you have other things to comment on, about Milan specially, then welcome...

and try to stick with that, please... cheers...

[Jeff]

easy guys; I can understand why some people hate England like the way he does. Watch out your language a bit will be all he needs :)

[Jim_UK]

i'm sick of dealing with this crap from members in here. It's bad enough i have to deal with it from senior members in here but when this idiot comes in and his first post is all this crap then that just takes the p!ss.

If it was any other country you'd all be up in arms about it, so i'll just go start some threads and bash Pakistan, Jordan, USA, Canada, et al and see how you all react then. I bet it won't be taken in the same light that's for sure. The hypocrisy here is starting to get sickening.

[yousufshakeel65]

you will have to agree that all England have is their Media Hype and when they crash out the whine like old ladies

its not something new, its something we are all accustomed to, they did it last year and now they are doing it again, REFERRING to barca- chelsea game in championsleague this year,.. English maedia can never take a defeat like a man. last year they did it to frisk, this year they did it to hauge,
despite the refree favouring chelsea in this game, not handing barca two clear penalties and giving a redcard to delhorno when it was fully deserveD, the guy had still come under very intense criticism from english media, The question remains, why does english media do that? the answer is simple, they make a refree so afraid of them, that afterwards whenever there is a 50-50 decsion, the ref wont dare to give it against an english team, as we saw in the second leg of chelsea-barca last year, and all of liverpool's matches,

The problem starts, with english commentators , when a fully deserved red card was given to horno, the commentator went like ' ITS RED ITS RED, OH MY GOD, OH MY GOD, HOW CAN YOU GIVE THAT, THIS IS A VERY STRANGE DECSION TO SAY THE LEAST' :p . many people get false idea with this, Then the powerful english media, all start criticising the ref.
Now all becuase of one decision frisk had to quit refreeing because of death threats, now same threats were being given to hauge, Now imagine,the ref, in the second leg, who ever he maght have been, how afraid would've been to give any decision against chelsea!!!!, and so will anyother ref, against any other english team,

[Debs]

Do we really need a member who's already bragged aobut being banned from another large forum? Not a good way to explode on the scene here, sorry.

[Shomo]

After getting dump out of the WC, by a team who had two of its star playing missing through suspension, English *****cats have launched their new set of excuses for the worldcup defeat.

The main excuses kind of contradict each other.

"In the first 4 games, we werent boring, we were playing technique, and eventhough we werent at out best we were still winning, we are lucky, casue luck favours the brave, thats just our game play, imagine us when we are at our best" . "In the fifth game, DAMN THESE PORTUGESE were so lucky in their game, they deserved **** from this game"

The side excuses are as follows.

"Rooney doesn't deserve his red card." "Refree was ****in blind" "Portugal were lucky". "There were no washrooms in the stadium, and therefore Gerrard and Lampard were running with lumps in their pants" "The pitch was too slippery". "The weather was too hot". "Cristiano Ronaldo was too charming and seduced Beckham"


"In our hearts we know England are the true champions, and thats all that matters". "Its all Erickssons fault, he is a moron". "It wasnt rooney's fault, he is impotent, and Carvalho was sleeping with his wife, so h e wanted to amke Carvalho impotent as well". "Terry had an orgasm everytime Figo came near him, so he couldnt concentare". BLAAH BLLAAAH BLAAH

Seriously, the best thing in the WC is to see english media cry. PRICELESS.
And no other media, make sbig claim before the WC like englands. FFS if you would listen to BBC and SKY, 'they dont think they are gonna win the WC', 'they dont hope that they are gonna win the WC', "these idiots KNOW that they are gonna win the WC". ANd then to see a media like that, and morons with big claims, like Martin Tyler, and Andy Gray weep when English *****cats crashes about, now thats PRICELESS

i wouldnt have started posting this long to u, but you see I am so hyped up, and got banned from bigsoccer forums, for pissing english fans in england's sub forums, so I dontt have anything else better to do right now :5guitar:

What a Pathetic Clueless Negabot!!!
I don't blame you

[hitmannq8]

hahahaha :) well, he didnt say anything wrong and anything racists, he is just saying how much he hates them due to their media, which is a feeling many of the Italian fans share. Ofcoures there are the smart ones that understand their media overhypes everything, but yet there are the ones that firmly believe Gerrard is the best midfielder in the world etc. :D

[Dr Milano]

thank god for the ban !!!

[yousufshakeel]

hey,.. that attrocious,.. i am a real milan follower, who actually goes to sansiro who owns seasonal ticket who actually lives there, who has been following them for all of my life,.. u guyz had the nerve to BAN ME,.. well i dont blame you,.. i guess to be a true milanista you have to experiece it yourself,..
I THINK U R ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE just open their tv sets , see MILAN playing , and all U do is jump up and down, U don’t even know the passion of football!
...wot would u know how it is like to be a tue MILANISTI,.. U R FOREIGNERS who somehow got to know abt acmilan and became their gloryhunter of a fans,.. it really is funny HAR HAR
.. BAN ME, THATS ALL U CAN DOOO,.. but i am not lying,.. every milanisti who actually lives in MILAN or italy would know that wot i said above was right,.. U HAVE TO ACTUALLY BE HERE TO REALLY GET TO KNOW HOW WE REALLY HATE EPL AND ENGLISH TEAMS,..

b4 the worldcup, everybody wrote us off, and declared english pusssycats as favs to win worldcup,.. lamepard, spiceboy, looooney tooones, neville sister, english pusssycats had all the so called superstars but WHO ROSE TO THE OCCASION?!@!!,.. it was US,.. not them,...
IF U GUYZ EVER HAD THE CHANCE TO REALLY READ NEWSPAPERS U WOULD KNOW THAT ENGLISH MEDIA WAS ACUTALLY HOPING THAT MILAN, JUVE WOULD ALL GET RELEGATED,... GUARDIAN NEWSPAPER EVEN HAD THE NERVE TO DECLARE ALL OF THESE TEAMS STARS' DESTINATION TO STUPID TEAMS LIKE LIVERPOOL, MANU, ARSENAL, CHELSEA,..
U REALLY HAVE TO TRY AND UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH A REAL MILAN FAN HAS TO SUFFER BEACAUSE OF THEIR MEDIA,..
no one recongnises our stars like gattusso and pirlo,..who r the real men,..

so i think i have every right to be pleased when their overrated jackasses crash out,...
I WAS SO HAPPY WHEN BENFICA first KNOCKED MANU OUT AND THEN LIVERPOOL (WHO R european shame) out,... being a milanisti i have every right to be arrogant (ATLEAST I HAVE REASONS TO FEEL ARROGANT),.. ENGLISH FANS ARE A LOT MORE ARROGANT FOR WOTEVER REASOONS (all of their team sux, u have to agree with me)

@ DEBS
u can kiss upto jamie_uk all u want,.. i dont care,.. i am next in line to become moderator of THE OFFICIAL ACMILAN FORUM,.. and i was abt to leave this forum anyway, this forum sucks,.. u have only 1000 memebers,

PLZ CONTIUNE SUPPORTING PPL LIKE JAMIE_uk WHO DONT HAVE THE GUTS TO ARGUE, AND reverts to crying like their team.. THIS FORUM IS ALREADY HALF DEAD AND WITH UR HELP IT WILL BE FULLY DEAD,


BESIDES I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING WHICH COULD BE TERMED ETHICALLY BANNED OR WAS AGAINST THE RULES OF THIS FORUM

[Dr Milano]

BESIDES I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING WHICH COULD BE TERMED ETHICALLY BANNED OR WAS AGAINST THE RULES OF THIS FORUM[/QUOTE]


yeah but you know whats right and whats wrong .. and if you dont ... go back to school ... and learn ...

[Jeff]

alright alright.. I take back my previous post ¬¬¬

[Debs]

Of course he'd re-register. This guy is a candidate for being a moderator. anway, I PMed him asking him nicely to calm down or just leave. We'll see what happens.

[Jim_UK]

hitman if you want to have a go at me, say it to my face.

for your information Shakey i don't need anyone to fight my battles, i won't argue with you as our 'half dead' forum as you so elegantly put it doesn't need it. You're right this isn't an English fourm, but there are fans here from England and while you're here you should be considerate of others first without barging in with your big feet causing a stir just because you think you can. It's not an English forum but neither is it an English hating forum and if you don't like it, you know where the door is mate.

If you're the future of the official Milan forums then i fear for them, the quality must be really going downhill.

[BluezBruva]

Funny thing is, our press do, do that.

But saying that i actually think we did have a small excuse this time and he didn't have to put it in that mannor did he!

[Kui]

i'm sick of dealing with this crap from members in here. It's bad enough i have to deal with it from senior members in here but when this idiot comes in and his first post is all this crap then that just takes the p!ss.

I wouldnt happen to be one of those senior members who dealt you cr@p? Am I? You tell it to my face, if this is where you're going. But... let me side somewhat with you as Yousef is going overboard a bit here. I was about to give him a chance as Jeff was until he went for my tootie bird Debs like that.

[Jim_UK]

I don't remember you jumping on the growing band wagon of England haters Kui, but then there have been so many lately that i can't keep up with all of them.

Let me clarify my position a little, it's not the subject he's talking about that bothers me the most, it's the way he's gone about it. There have been enough threads and discussions about this and i've argued my case before so i don't see why it needs to be dragged up again. There's no point in it and his post is just a blatant attack, there's no construction or thought behind it at all. I also stand by my point that if this was about any other country, particularly more sensitive ones, all hell would break loose.

[Debs]

:pchate:

That was my problem as well--perhaps not so much what was actually being said but (tho on first read my reaction was please shut up about England) the overall tone was not a real pretty rant for a first post. First impressions are lasting impressions as they say, and I would prefer to err on the side of caution, meaning nip problems in the bud. Another example is the Juve fan who posted in the Reveal Yourself topic--he'll be on my watch list and he will not receive a second chance. And if my own reaction to the post was harsh, I do apologize. It's just that the WC is over, it was delightful b/c of the big teams getting knocked out and the sheer unpredictable way the whole thing turned out....and I'm STILL reading people whining about this team or that team being treated unfairly. :hammer: I suppose that'll go on for the next 4 years... :eekani:


Oh...uh...Jamie.... :p146: I've never liked the English NT...

[Stezagud]

There's no point in it and his post is just a blatant attack, there's no construction or thought behind it at all.

well there were some creative player name changes such as Looooney and Lamepard :rolleyes: :D

I dont really understand the attacks because i have no doubt that other nations media are similarly demanding, in some cases (Brazil for example) the level of expectation is way beyond what it ever has been here but im not expecting to see any threads set up to insult Ronaldinho and the rest of his gang....

that said, i dont think it has much to do with the media really anyway. If we are to be the International version of Millwall, as popular around the world as GWB then so be it, having grown up a Utd fan it almost feels natural to be hated :D

[mk18]

If it was any other country you'd all be up in arms about it, so i'll just go start some threads and bash Pakistan, Jordan, USA, Canada, et al and see how you all react then. I bet it won't be taken in the same light that's for sure. The hypocrisy here is starting to get sickening.
go ahead mate, i wont be angry because I know our team sucks :D

[SANT]

Jim_UK,

I don't agree with the posts by this youseff guy... TBH, I'd like to see him go away... he can not erase that he said this forum sucked, and then complaint because he got banned the first time...

In general, I don't support this Anti-England posts... they don't do any good...

but...

you are being given a chance to be a mod... and you have refused the role several times... IMO, it is because of things like this, that I insist you should accept and have a stronger and more official point of view about matters like this...

I see Debs already explain that she sent PM's to the guy and he will try to play by the rules, but maybe we would have managed it slightly differently...

[Jim_UK]

what are you saying i should accept Sant ? That i should accept being a mod or accept a topic that clearly angers me ?

[SANT]

Don't accept those posts... I don't have to be English to find this guy's posts offensive... and yes, become a Mod so that you can help establish a criteria that is tolerant, but also firm about the idea of being respectful to others, from a different position... not just as an Englishman, not just as a member, but as a recognized member of MM who has been given the task to help everybody keep this forum free from vicious posters...

[hitmannq8]

Why are u taking this too seriously? I mean, just as how every AC Milan fan enjoys making fun of Inter fans, Italian fans enjoy mocking the English, only because they are rivals. AC Milan is an Italian club so it should be no surprise to you that at least 60% of the AC Milan fans are Italian or support Italy. Trust me Jeff, its nothing against your country, its just we enjoy making fun of our rivals. Dont u enjoy making fun of Inter, Scotland, Portugal etc? You might say no but im sure most English do. Hope u understand.

[Kui]

I don't remember you jumping on the growing band wagon of England haters Kui, but then there have been so many lately that i can't keep up with all of them.

Ok... understood. I'm not a biggie on English National Team or the Premere League either. But I wont pick a fight with you on this right now. Certainly we'd be able to tackle such a debate as grown ups. But we'll save the English virtues of football at a later time.

[yousufshakeel]

Why are u taking this too seriously? I mean, just as how every AC Milan fan enjoys making fun of Inter fans, Italian fans enjoy mocking the English, only because they are rivals. AC Milan is an Italian club so it should be no surprise to you that at least 60% of the AC Milan fans are Italian or support Italy. Trust me Jeff, its nothing against your country, its just we enjoy making fun of our rivals. Dont u enjoy making fun of Inter, Scotland, Portugal etc? You might say no but im sure most English do. Hope u understand.


YEAAA,.. i'll drink to that, that jim_uk guy iis trying to be 'saint england' :p
...trust me,.. i have said this b4 and i'll say it again,... the best thing abt the worldcup and uefa championsleague is to see ENGLISH MEDIA CRY heheh :p :P ( now dont ban me)

i still laugh my ass off whenever i think of how benfica did us huge favour by first kicking manure and then kicking liverpoool out of championsleague (ucl)
heheheh,

yes, i am talking abt when manchester 'urinated' out of champions league
Yes, the demise of the worlds most overrated team, The English *****cat WERE OUT OF EUROPE, failed to get even a uefa cup spot The great manure attack led by Van Horse Face & Wayne p*g face :P :P only managed to score 3 times in six games, and failed to break the defence of villareal & benfica , both home and away. Loooney toones showed that he can only work in an overrated & ****ty league like EPL. (even there he dosent work properly) :D I was so worried when looney toones had gotten the red card in the first game, i really thought that without him the manwhores will start winning, thankfully he ony got suspended for two matches, and the return of this ‘So called worlds best young player’ (by English media and no one else) , saw manu lose two of the remaining three games, to get their a**es kicked out of the CL.


you really have to wonder how SH*tty they are, luck always seems to favour them, When they played Villareal, in both the legs, villareal’s playmaker riquelme was out, in one of the matches riquelme and forlan both were out. That day, benfica were without their three main players, miccoli, sabrosa & karagounis, but yeah this is how ****ty manu is. too bad they didn’t go to the uefa cup, I would have loved to see roma kicking their a**es,
this just proves my point, you put the english teams in a difficult group and it could easily prove fatal for them, eventhough this by no means was the most difficult group of all, Milan & Barcelona had the most toughest of groups. Lille were currently 9th in Ligue 1 & Benfica were 6rth in Superliga (far behind porto, and u all saw what porto did in this ucl), The beautiful ‘stadium of lights’ proved to be a dark nightmare for the English jackasses, just like it did for the english team in euro 2004


hehe
it really was the stadium of lights, It showed that in this world everything is not money, media ,fame..
But here now i'd also like to talk abt the other game of udinese and barca, Damn, Udinese were just 5 minutes away from qualifying, but u have to appreciate their effort in CL. Compare them with the other two 4th placed new comers, everton & real betis, and you will see they were the best, In summer they did not spend 16 millions like everton for their ucl debut, infact they used this oppurtunity to work off their loan, selling players like pizzaro, jankulovski & krouldrup.
No one expected them to beat Lisbon in the qualifiers but they did, and they almost made it to next round, so unlucky that they lost the crucial game against Bremen after they had fought back from being 3-0 to get on equal terms.
still the group finished this way1-Barcelona-16 points
2-W.B.(Germany)-7points
3-Udinese-7points
4-Panatinaikos-0points


and here compare the goals that english *****cats had scored to wot italians had scored, Inter managed 9 Goals, Milan maanged 12, Juve managed 12, Udinsese scored 10. thats like 43 goals as compared with english teams who scored a combine total of 26.!! with arsenal scoring 10. manu liverpool & cchelsea were the most boring pieces of **** I had ever seen, I already knew before the liverpool-chelsea game that it would end in a 0-0 draw, didnt even bother to switch my channel on to that game for a even a glimpse. If it would have been Inter-Milan instead of those two, u would have seen english media jumping up and down accusing italians of being boring, manure only managed 3 GOALS, but then again u can also say that that is because they have LOOONEY :D :p :p
Udinese tried hard until 60th minute, but then faultered. every other team would have done the same agaisnt Barca, they have done the italians very proud, U saw liverpool hanging on agaisnt betis ( eventhough betis are not half as scary as barca)


ABT BENFICA BEATING LIVERPOOL
i seriously thought that benfica had a great chance of cracking up the 'so called european champions', more commonly known as 'european shame'
Liverpool fans thought it wouldl be a walk in the park,.. they were so wrong,
benfico showed great character in scoring goals,. i particularly loved simao's strike (simao refused to come to liverpool when they were european champions ) that strike was a wonder goal,, YES they did us another huge favour, like the one they did before and knocked out another english team out of the tournament. :p :p

[Stezagud]

Yousuf you have clearly mastered the art of channeling your bitterness :clap:

[devoted_dm]

Holy ****! This thread could become legendary :D

[Jim_UK]

I think this thread has run its course devoted_dm :D

[hitmannq8]

yousuf, thats absolutely a classic post! but im sure some english fans are thinking "whats wrong with this guy? did he ever hear the phrase 'luck favours the brave'?"

you should post here more often :)

[Milan_Mad]

Fat Frank, Gerrard, Terry these players do not preform as well for england as they do for club, they never seem to gel

[lked]

the only one player who showed great games was Joe Cole ! :)
he was even better then in games with chelsea .. and IMO the best player in england national team in this WC ..
- if owen wouldn't be injuried im sure that England could go far !

[brn_fi]

Yep, Svennis as a foreigner is the man to blame, 8 million euros for god's sake.. Lampard, Gerrard , Owen, Becks, among others (the only I quality, who can think, are creative and so on, I have seen are Lineker, Waddle and Gazza long time ago) are good players but they are not world class. They are able to play well in the Premiership because they are surrounded by top-quality foreign players who are technically and tactically superior to their English counterparts.
English academy=joke. English players and their adaptability to tactical skills and changes = also a joke. Level of coaching = sub standard. Something positive: Arsenal play educated football due to a reliance on the artistry and guile of technical players from around the world. In general supporters and media among commentators (=coaches) do not concern themselves with tactical and technical issues as long as the action is fast, pulsating and wholehearted.
It's so deep down in there..and has always been.

[Stezagud]

Lineker a creative player :confused: thats like calling Pippo a playmaker :D

Quite simply Sven failed big time on 2 things:

1) Not taking enough strikers. Owen wasnt fit even before his injury, Rooney hadnt played for 2 months and never got near his Utd touch and fitness, Crouch is good but limited, Walcott is a kid who has never even played for his club side! Quite simply, Walcott shouldnt have gone and Defoe and Bent imho should have.

2) Balancing the midfield. Lampard and Gerrard are both world class but they play the same role, the teams that did well were the ones who knew that balance was more imprtant than putting the best XI individuals on the field, for example, Italy experimented for a long time trying to fit Del Piero and Totti into the same side before realising that football doesnt work that way. Del Piero and Totti werent bad players were they? they simply couldnt both play at their best because they instinctively wanted to do the same thing.
Brazil and England were the least balanced sides at the world cup (aside from the Czechs but that was due to injuries leaving them without any strikers) Brazil's excuse is that they are expected to play attacking football, Englands is that Sven didnt have the balls to drop the big name players.

They are able to play well in the Premiership because they are surrounded by top-quality foreign players who are technically and tactically superior to their English counterparts.
That is true of Lampard, Chelsea tactics certainly help him to score all those goals, but the others are great players in the own right. Beckham has never played better than in 99, when he was part of a Utd midfield of 'foreigners' Keane, Scholes and Giggs ;)

English academy=joke
probably the best funded in the world? with famous production lines at Utd, Liverpool and West Ham...

English players and their adaptability to tactical skills and changes = also a joke.

Again, this comes down to balancing the side. Would you expect Gattuso to adapt to playmaking, or Pirlo to become a tough tackling, lung buster? A smart manager picks players to copliment each other allowing them to play to their strengths...

Level of coaching = sub standard.

example? you praise Arsenal yet for all their guile and artistry they actually lost an awful lot of games last season in the EPL.

Something positive: Arsenal play educated football due to a reliance on the artistry and guile of technical players from around the world.

see above. Also for all the praise they have got for reaching the CL final last year surely you have to look at the overall record for a clearer picture? a record that shows a side that had never made it past the quarters under Wenger. The only reason they did last year was because they abandoned Wengers tradtional stylistic approach and switched to 4-5-1 packing the midfield and putting the onus on the defence keeping cleansheets.

[Dr Milano]

Theo walcott didnt even come on , benched all the time , what a waste as stezaguard said bent or defoe would have been better , instead of sven ( cough cough ) secret weapon which he didnt use so really its a shame i wanted england to go far in the world cup well not win it , but at least get to the semis

[Eagle]

After getting dump out of the WC, by a team who had two of its star playing missing through suspension, English *****cats have launched their new set of excuses for the worldcup defeat.

The main excuses kind of contradict each other.

"In the first 4 games, we werent boring, we were playing technique, and eventhough we werent at out best we were still winning, we are lucky, casue luck favours the brave, thats just our game play, imagine us when we are at our best" . "In the fifth game, DAMN THESE PORTUGESE were so lucky in their game, they deserved **** from this game"

The side excuses are as follows.

"Rooney doesn't deserve his red card." "Refree was ****in blind" "Portugal were lucky". "There were no washrooms in the stadium, and therefore Gerrard and Lampard were running with lumps in their pants" "The pitch was too slippery". "The weather was too hot". "Cristiano Ronaldo was too charming and seduced Beckham"


"In our hearts we know England are the true champions, and thats all that matters". "Its all Erickssons fault, he is a moron". "It wasnt rooney's fault, he is impotent, and Carvalho was sleeping with his wife, so h e wanted to amke Carvalho impotent as well". "Terry had an orgasm everytime Figo came near him, so he couldnt concentare". BLAAH BLLAAAH BLAAH

Seriously, the best thing in the WC is to see english media cry. PRICELESS.
And no other media, make sbig claim before the WC like englands. FFS if you would listen to BBC and SKY, 'they dont think they are gonna win the WC', 'they dont hope that they are gonna win the WC', "these idiots KNOW that they are gonna win the WC". ANd then to see a media like that, and morons with big claims, like Martin Tyler, and Andy Gray weep when English *****cats crashes about, now thats PRICELESS

i wouldnt have started posting this long to u, but you see I am so hyped up, and got banned from bigsoccer forums, for pissing english fans in england's sub forums, so I dontt have anything else better to do right now :5guitar:

One of the reasons why England fails was because England has very bad records history in Penalty Shootout.

Like this:

World Cup 1990 Semi Final :
England vs West Germany 1-1 (Lineker 80'; Brehme 59'), 3-4 Pen.
Pen. (England take first) :
1-0 Lineker; 1-1 Brehme; 1-2 Beardsley; 2-2 Matthaeus; 3-2 Platt; 3-3 Riedle; 3-3 Pearce (x); 3-4 Thon; 3-4 Waddle (x)

Euro 1996 Semi Final :
England vs Germany 1-1 (Shearer 2'; Kuntz 15'), 5-6 Pen.
Pen. (England take first) :
1-0 Shearer; 1-1 Haessler; 2-1 Platt; 2-2 Strunz; 3-2 Pearce; 3-3 Reuter; 4-3 Gascoigne; 4-4 Ziege; 5-4 Sheringham; 5-5 Kuntz; 5-5 Southgate (x); 5-6 Moeller

Euro 2004 Quarter Final :
England vs Portugal 2-2, (Owen 3', Lampard 115'; Postiga 83', Rui Costa 110'), 5-6 Pen.
Pen. (England take first) :
0-0 Beckham (x); 0-1 Deco; 1-1 Owen; 1-2 Simao; 2-2 Lampard; 2-2 Rui Costa (x); 3-2 Terry; 3-3 C. Ronaldo; 4-3 Hargreaves; 4-4 Maniche; 5-4 A. Cole; 5-5 Postiga; 5-5 Vassell (x); 5-6 Ricardo

World Cup 2006 Quarter Final :
England vs Portugal 0-0, 1-3 Pen.
Pen. (Portugal take first) :
0-1 Simao; 0-1 Lampard (x); 0-1 Viana (x); 1-1 Hargreaves; 1-1 Petit (x); 1-1 Gerrard (x); 1-2 Postiga; 1-2 Carragher (x); 1-3 C. Ronaldo

[Jim_UK]

that yousuf guy was such a t*sser :rollani:

[Stezagud]

One of the reasons why England fails was because England has very bad records history in Penalty Shootout.

you forgot 1998 too :eek:

And in 98 and 06 we played for an hour with 10 men too, the worst thing in the world is to fight bravely against the odds for so long and then lose on penalties anyway :(

[Milan_Mad]

England just dont have the star players who plays head and shoulders above the rest

[Stezagud]

the opposite actually, we have too many 'heroes' all playing the same role. Rooney, Lampard and Gerrard are all world class, all lead their team, and all naturally like to play the same position!

The most important thing for any team is balance and until we sort out the midfield we'll never win anything. Rooney can be pushed forward into an out and out striker without much fuss, then only 1 of Lampard and Gerrard can play, with genuine left and right wingers and a proper holding midfielder to cover. 4 players, all know their roles all natural to them, simple as that!

Italy suffered for a long time with the same sort of thing, i mentioned it in this very thread a year ago too! the Del Piero-Totti dilemma, both were certainly amongst the best 11 italian individual players but that doesnt mean you play them both in the same team.

[Milan_Mad]

True they do have few world class players but they never really preform big for england is what i was trying to say some of them being mildly overrated though, rooney is not an out and out scorer and what makes him world class so soon part from a few classy goals and his work rate, he usually plays bad in big games just look at him in the CL plus that temper :mad:
Mclaren wont have the balls to drop either frank or stevie g so it looks like your not going to win Euro 2008 if they even qualify the mighty israel will give them a game no doubt :grinser: also he uses crouch as his main target man which is wrong though they do lack real quality strikers i supose bring back scholes if he does not elbow anyone :rolleyes: and drop stevie
cole,scholes, lampard, beckham is a real good midfield with everything also they do have hargreaves if scholes rejects again maybe downing :nervous: can come in for cole at the time being JC being injured. Upfront i dont know who could play next to rooney bent, johnson, ashton (injured) crouch :d55: all very average to me owen :stupid:
btw its about time nolan got called up even if bolton are not on the best of form

[Stezagud]

True they do have few world class players but they never really preform big for england is what i was trying to say some of them being mildly overrated though

they never really perform to the level they are capable of because of the poor tactics though, like Brazil, Kaka or ronaldinho are not bad players are they? but they went out at the same stage as England and neither really excelled in the world cup. This is because Brazil, like England, tend to overlook balance and are vulnerable against sides of qulaity who dont make that mistake.

A good indicator of this is that the defence for England is near always amongst the best in major tournaments. This is because they are all specialists at their positions and know how they are supposed to work together :)

rooney is not an out and out scorer and what makes him world class so soon part from a few classy goals and his work rate, he usually plays bad in big games just look at him in the CL plus that temper


His temper is improving with age, remember he is still only 21. He only has 4 yellows domestically this year which is less than Drogba...You are right that he isnt strictly an out and out striker but he is the best England have for the position. As for what makes him world class, i guess it depends how you define world class but for me he is one of few forwards in the world who can do everything. He has as many assists as goals in the Prem and of the major leagues very few players can compare with that, particularly when you consider Rooney doesnt take penalties or set pieces. The world class goals like the one vs Pompey last month are a bonus too ;)

Mclaren wont have the balls to drop either frank or stevie g so it looks like your not going to win Euro 2008 if they even qualify the mighty israel will give them a game no doubt also he uses crouch as his main target man which is wrong though they do lack real quality strikers i supose bring back scholes if he does not elbow anyone and drop stevie
cole,scholes, lampard, beckham is a real good midfield with everything also they do have hargreaves if scholes rejects again maybe downing can come in for cole at the time being JC being injured. Upfront i dont know who could play next to rooney bent, johnson, ashton (injured) crouch all very average to me owen
btw its about time nolan got called up even if bolton are not on the best of form

True he is very unlikely to drop either Lampard or Gerrard, even if its clearly not working playing them both :rolleyes:

Scholes wont come back now but even if he did he would have the same problem as before, the aforementioned pair just took his space and he ended up being stuck out on the left :eek: Downing gives balance but personally i'd have Cole left and Lennon right. Cole isnt a natural lefty but he can play the role as he showed in the world cup, and with Lennon hugging the touchline on the right he'd have plenty of space too. Hargreaves is a must and either Stevie G or Fat Frank alongside him, it doesnt much matter which :cool:

Up front Owen is the best partner for Rooney but right now Johnson is probably the best option as he is a true poacher as well as lightning quick. He is also expert at 'earning' penalties ;)

As for Nolan, i dont think he is good enough to be honest. His control isnt brilliant and he lacks pace which doesnt get exposed in Boltons packed midfield but would on the big stage. He is a decent polayer no doubt, but not on Lampard/Gerrards level and we have enough problems with that position already without throwing in another contender!

yeah

[Eagle]

you forgot 1998 too :eek:

And in 98 and 06 we played for an hour with 10 men too, the worst thing in the world is to fight bravely against the odds for so long and then lose on penalties anyway :(

Yes, I forgot it. Thanks Stezagud to remind me.

World Cup 1998 Round 2
Argentina vs England 2-2 (Batistuta 6' Pen. , Zanetti 45'; Shearer 10' Pen. , Owen 16'), 4-3 Pen.
Pen. Shootout (Argentina take first) :
1-0 S. Berti; 1-1 Shearer; 1-1 Crespo (x); 1-1 Ince (x); 2-1 Veron; 2-2 Merson; 3-2 Gallardo; 3-3 Owen; 4-3 Ayala; 4-3 Batty (x)

[Eagle]

And in 98 and 06 we played for an hour with 10 men too, the worst thing in the world is to fight bravely against the odds for so long and then lose on penalties anyway :(


I'm very upset that England players look so nervous when the game must be ended with Pen. Shootout.

Italy has the same condition in Euro 2000 Semi Final againts Netherlands when Zambrotta received a red card. But they can take advantage in Pen. Shootout.

Euro 2000 Semi Final
Italy vs Netherlands 0-0, 3-1 Pen.
Pen. Shootout (Italy take First) :
1-0 Di Biagio; 1-0 F. de boer (x); 2-0 Pessotto; 2-0 Stam (x); 3-0 Totti; 3-1 Kluivert; 3-1 Maldini (x); 3-1 Bosvelt (x)

[midfieldred]

Manchester United > England

AR-GEN-TI-NA! AR-GEN-TI-NA! AR-GEN-TI-NA!

[Giovanni]

A couple of years ago i had a discussion with our english posters about McLaren being appointed as the new England manager. I expressed a few concerns about his tactical qualities, having seen him with Boro in UEFA Cup and being very perplexed about his technical- tactical clue, but my argumentations were overwhelmed by our friends endless faith :hopefull: and firm patriotism into the possible success of a British coach :proud: .

Now i think England should go with a foreign manager. I don't see free quality British managers around, at least not 1st rate ones.

[Stezagud]

Capello will probably be appointed next week, Zola, Shearer and Pearce will be brought in on support roles too if the press are to be believed.

I didnt mind reading this thread again, i said in the other thread i'd been going on about properly balancing the midfield for years and the stuff about Lampard/Gerrard and Rooney is the same then as now, Even the Brazil and Italy examples which i made again recently :cool:

Englands problem is tactical, not personnel. Capello will see that and build the side first and foremost to stop goals. There's no reason why we cant have the best defence in world football with him in charge and it might not be pretty but it should be far more successful than building the side from the midfield out, incorporating players regardless of how lopsided it made the team.

[Jeff]

With Capello, I see England as a major force in world cup 2010. - J

[Giovanni]

If Capello will get this job, i think his first trainings with England will be quite similar to the arrive of a new terrible teacher into a classroom of naughty pupils :sun:

[Stezagud]

Its confirmed he flew into England today :cool:

Ultimately it all comes down to the players and there is only so much any manager can do, the players didnt listen to McClaren because they didnt have any respect for him as a manager. I hope you're right Gio, if he takes them back to school then some of these multimillionaires may well sulk like spoilt little children ;)

[Giovanni]

I heard that Van Nistlerooy said when Capello is inside the dressing room noone talks. He said his traning sessions were "brutal". Capello has a bigger ego than England players all together. He won't be easy to be put down from the media and tabloids.

Personally i do like characters like Capello (or Cap- Hello ? ;) ) ..i find them interesting and multilayered. Never boring and banal.

What you must expect from his appointment is that Capello's England will turn to be a force to be reckoned with once again.

[inter-1908]

I think Capello will get the england job, thsi aricle really convinced me that it may be very soon that we can see Capello back behind the bench. Article: Football italia:

Fabio Capello flew in to London today for a meeting with the FA that was described as “extremely positive and without any problems.”


It is reported the former Juventus, Roma, Milan and Real Madrid boss met with FA chief executive Brian Barwick and director of development Sir Trevor Brooking at Wembley Stadium.


“Understandably further talks are now taking place between Fabio’s advisors and ourselves,” confirmed FA director of communications Adrian Bevington.


“Fabio has returned to Italy to honour a prior commitment.”


The Italian Coach arrived at Heathrow for negotiations to replace Steve McClaren as England manager and is now the over-riding favourite to take over.


Jose Mourinho and Martin O’Neill have ruled themselves out of the running, while Azzurri World Cup winner Marcello Lippi is keeping his options open.


Capello was accompanied on this visit by advisor Giovanni Branchini and his agent – and son – Pierfilippo Capello.

[Blacktop]

This disheveled England team will benefit from a control freak like Capello.

[Nalx]

If Capello will get this job, i think his first trainings with England will be quite similar to the arrive of a new terrible teacher into a classroom of naughty pupils :sun:

Perhaps we should create a poll to choose who's gonna get the first spank :rocky:

[mrki]

Ihhh. this is not good for Croatia in qualifiers for WC 2010... Cappello is a winner...

[ACMILAN1983]

England are extremely fortunate to be getting Capello, I'm certain he'll do a great job, and they will be a very competitive side by the time 2010 rolls around.

However, the English don't seem too prepared as to what to expect from him. Obviously here we all know about Capello, but in England he's not that famous, or rather he's known for his successes over the years, but he's not well known for his coaching style or the type of football he likes. This in turn could result in a Sven style popularity, where his consistency and results will be accepted, but his style of football will be heavily lambasted by the media. In the end though, Capello brings success, he knows how to get results and he knows it.

There will be changes as soon as he comes in and there the star names better be a little worried, because he is an authoritarianistic coach. I've read he wants his Italian coaching staff and Baldini to be signed with him, which I think is a smart move on his part, only the FA say they'll want 1 English coach too. If that is the case, they have to be very careful who is picked (Shearer and Pearce are two names dropped, but I doubt either would be suited to work with Capello).

[Giovanni]

In the last days i've checked the BBC boards and have been laughing my arse off ... too funny to read the jokes with the name of Capello, like Cup- Hello or Crapello etc...

Anyway i'm not very happy that England isn't going to play this competition, and i don't say it to be nice or something..i think without England the competition loses something in passion and unpredictability...i 've never missed a England match in the last NT major competitions. Anyway, we' ve the Frenchies to care about, and to spank another time :sun: (can't get enough)

[Jim_UK]

I've seen some of your inputs on the bbc 606 threads gio, i don't know why you put yourself through it. The level of intelligence by some posters is so neanderthal it just makes trying to get your point across so difficult.

With England not at Euro 2008, i can watch a tournament virtually stress free ... it'll be great :D

[mrki]

In the last days i've checked the BBC boards and have been laughing my arse off ... too funny to read the jokes with the name of Capello, like Cup- Hello or Crapello etc...

Anyway i'm not very happy that England isn't going to play this competition, and i don't say it to be nice or something..i think without England the competition loses something in passion and unpredictability...i 've never missed a England match in the last NT major competitions. Anyway, we' ve the Frenchies to care about, and to spank another time :sun: (can't get enough)

well, the predictable is that England would not win it as usual :)

[inter-1908]

The bad thing about this is that cappello wont be able to do to much until the qualifiers for 2010 world cup pick up a bit more pace, right now its all about the Euro, and England arent in, so cappello has got it pretty easy right now.

[Giovanni]

well, the predictable is that England would not win it as usual :)
yes but the unpredictable is how they were going to do that..they usually choke in spectacular- dramatic ways :D

[Giovanni]

I've seen some of your inputs on the bbc 606 threads gio, i don't know why you put yourself through it. The level of intelligence by some posters is so neanderthal it just makes trying to get your point across so difficult.


I see, but on BBC i've learnt a lot about the english language which you won't ever find in the books. It's an anthropologic study also, looking for the missing chain between the human being and the donkey :sun:

Anyway you should read the calciomercato.it board...it's no stop wind up :d55:

[DUCO]

[QUOTE=inter :sagrin: -1908]The bad thing about this is that cappello wont be able to do to much until the qualifiers for 2010 world cup pick up a bit more pace, right now its all about the Euro, and England arent in, so cappello has got it pretty easy right now.[/ koj kur tuka si se zakacil AJ U KUR FORZA MILAN :5schal: :5schal: :5schal: