Milan CL Discussion

[hitmannq8]

The traditional MM thread of who do you think we will draw! The draw is as early as Thursday!

I personally think we might see the return of Sheva. Let's crush him!

I also think Roma will draw Real Madrid because these 2 are ALWAYS together.

[Jim_UK]

Probably something like Chelsea, Celtic & Fenerbache

We won't get an easy draw, that is for sure.

[Vadim]

That's if Fener make it, they're down 3-1 on aggregate to Dynamo Kiev :)

[Rick]

It's just a guess, so I said Valencia.

[milanese ultra]

The traditional MM thread of who do you think we will draw! The draw is as early as Thursday!

I personally think we might see the return of Sheva. Let's crush him!

I also think Roma will draw Real Madrid because these 2 are ALWAYS together.

would love to get chelsea, make sheva see what a mistake he has made, leaving the greatest club on earth :devf:

[hitmannq8]

im not sure if we can draw Valencia, i think they are 1st seed?

[Jim_UK]

sorry for making the mistake

[arcy]

Some teams missing...Maybe we should also wait too because some might shift pots on the result of the games tom. Wed.
:guw:

[RIO]

Personally, I want get Andelecht in our group. That'd be fun.

[Dr Milano]

Personally, I want get Andelecht in our group. That'd be fun.
lol true lol lol and lol again i voted all of them cause we can get any lol :1ole:

[zlatanov]

the dream is Chelski ;)

[Jim_UK]

that dream will be a reality i'm sure ...

[Jeff]

Chelsea for sure; it's time for Milan to teach them what money can't buy sometimes.

[Jim_UK]

Money can't seem to buy Ronaldinho !

[Stezagud]

think Sheva might be having second thoughts already as they just lost to Middlesbrough :D

[kastriot]

think Sheva might be having second thoughts already as they just lost to Middlesbrough :D


You`re so right, he had a good game and he scored but the whole team sucked, he for sure misses KAka and Pirlo now.
:delol: :delol: :delol:

And also Ajax didnt make it in the group stages, thats sad couse they traditionaly play well in Champions league

[sheva-gila]

my vote gous to chelski

[NAMMY]

Was thinking of starting this thread the other day. Lazy me.
Chelsea, Valencia + Bremen I think. You just know Sheva will be back (and probably haunt us too).

[arcy]

Sheva in blue in San Siro amongst the Milan fans. That will be something.
And if we get Benfica too, then more memories for both!

[Giorgos]

I also want Chelsea for the same reason. I vote PSV, is in our road the last years.

[GRE-NO-LI]

With the RIGHT players (which I guess we sadly WON'T have...), we simply can beat any other side to the pulp.

[ukrainian_CA]

Drawing Chelsea would be great.
I want ACM to be drawn with Dynamo K. and Spartak or CSCA Moscow.
I know I want too much, the odds are very low to get all 4 in the same group. I will be OK with any 3 of these together (still an unlikely event).
Somehow, I think the odds of getting 2 of these 4 in the same group are not that bad.

last CL Russia and Ukraine had 0 (nada) representation at the CL group stage, this year we have 4 teams (add Shakhtar to the 3 mentioned above).
(edited later) - Dynamo K. cannot play in a group against Spartak since they are both in the 4th basket.

However, since CSCA is in the 3rd basket their probability to get to travel to Ukraine at the gropu stage is 25% (2 out of 8 teams in the 4th).

I cannot post an English version of the raitings and the seedings of the 32 team. If someone has it (posted already) please post it here (or provide a link).

[minhduc]

Don't khow yet who we face in the grouping only sure that it will not be Barca, Real Madrid, Liverpool, Inter and very likely not Valencia, Arsenal and MU. Those are the 7 teams together with us in the first post of Europe 8 best in the draw.

To be safe it is better we are in the same group with Chelsea so we don't face them early in knock-out.

[Vonim]

1: Milan, Barcelona, Real, Inter, Manchester Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal, Valencia

2:Chelsea, Roma, Lyon, Bayern, Porto, PSV Eindhoven, Celtic, Lille

3:Bordaux, Werder, Sporting, Benfika, Olympiacos, CSKA Moscow, Steaua, AEK Athens

4:Hamburg, Anderlecht, Galatasaray, Spartak Moscow, Shakhtar Donieck, Dinamo Kyiv, Kobenhavn, Levski.


So, we can't get a team from the 1 basket.
From the 2nd basket we can't get Roma, while any of the other 7 teams is possibile opponent.
We can get anyone from the last 2 baskets.

imo, the hardest group for us would be :
Milan
Chelsea
Benfika
Hamburg

while the easiest
Milan
Celtic
AEK Athens
Levski

[hitmannq8]

Here's my guess:

Milan

PSV (always with us wherever we go, lets see if it is truly meant to be for Alex to be playing at the San Siro every season :P)

Sporting Lisbon

Spartak Moskow


I think Real will get Roma, Olympiakos cause they're always paired together.


Oh boy, who would hope for a Barca, Chelsea, Benfica, Hamburg group? Damn I just saw Lyon are seeded #2!! UEFA really need to change their rules.. I cannot also believe how Barca is ranked 2..for the last few seasons they have reached no where in UCL and only passed QF last year where they won it and now they're 2nd place! Chelsea have been good in the last 3 years while Man U have been absolutely terrible and didnt even make it past group stages last year and are Seed #1!! Arsenal who only made the final last year, and have been under performing in CL for the last fwe years are seed #1 !! And omg Liverpool WHAT THE HELL IS LIVERPOOL doing in seed #1!!! Valencia? I think they only played in 3 of the last 5 CL's!!

Isn't the seeding based on the last 5 years? Milan should be rank #1 BY FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR!

[atreides602]

i want milan with steaua [to see kaka & co at bucharest], chelsea and galata[for some revenges]

[ct]

Any team we have, I want Milan to crush them all! Nyahahaha! :evil: :diablo: :dcool:

[Rapini]

I want us to play Chelsea but **** I would absolutely hate it if we lost....so....are you all really sure you wanna play them?

[Capo Ultra]

Isn't the seeding based on the last 5 years? Milan should be rank #1 BY FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR!

FC Barcelona 127.006
AC Milan 129.020
Real Madrid CF 120.006
FC Internazionale Milano 112.020
Liverpool FC 105.950
Arsenal FC 101.950
Manchester United FC 100.950
Valencia CF 95.006

As you can see we have the most points of all the teams, but because of the Calciopoli-scandal, we have been ranked as number 2. Under normal circumstances we would be number 1.

[Capo Ultra]

In my opinion the easiest group would be the following:

Milan
Lille
Steaua Bucharest
FC Copenhagen

[arcy]

As you can see we have the most points of all the teams, but because of the Calciopoli-scandal, we have been ranked as number 2. Under normal circumstances we would be number 1.
I thought we were at #2 spot because #1 is reserved for the title holders?
If we get Porto, Anderlecht, Bremen, it will be like 93/94 where Milan won in the championship in Athens (where the final will be held this year). :clap:

[Capo Ultra]

I thought we were at #2 spot because #1 is reserved for the title holders?

No. It has nothing to do with that. It is based strictly on points gained over the last 5 seasons.

[marcovb]

Nr 1 it is for the title holders
In ranking points we are NR 1

[arcy]

If it makes you feel better, Milan is number 1 in UEFA ranking based on coefficients

For the purposes the draw, title holders are at the top.

[Capo Ultra]

Are you guys sure?

I read somewhere that Milan lost the number 1 spot because of the Calciopoli-scandal..?

But maybe I'm wrong...

[arcy]

Yup! Milan is #1 :) except for drawing purposes.

Page 16 - Seeding of Clubs
http://www.uefa.com/newsfiles/19071.pdf

Hmm...If there was Juventus, 3 Italy teams at top 5. :u125:

[zlatanov]

If it makes you feel better, Milan is number 1 in UEFA ranking based on coefficients

For the purposes the draw, title holders are at the top.
agree with arcy.
Putting Barca on top of pot 1is purely because they are the current champs and is not related to their standing in the table with coefficients.
This pot-placement is not related with Milan being punished for calciopoli as it hardly makes any sense UEFA to put us 2nd instead of 1st ... if we were being punished for it, we would be in pot 4 with the weakest of the teams.
In fact, if UEFA had any legal grounds to punish us, wewould have never been allowed in the competition to begin with, something they made very clear in an official statement. Basically the only reason why we are in the CL this year is not because UEFAbelieve we are innocent and we deserve to be in it, but because UEFA's current regulations have not foreseen, and are thus inapplicable, for this sort of situation.

[Capo Ultra]

Yup! Milan is #1 :) except for drawing purposes.

Page 16 - Seeding of Clubs
http://www.uefa.com/newsfiles/19071.pdf

Yes you're right.

Page 10, Article 6, Paragraph 6.05:

"The title-holder is always the top seed."

[atreides602]

In my opinion the easiest group would be the following:

Milan
Lille
Steaua Bucharest
FC Copenhagen
between groups 3 and 4 steaua could be in the first 3 teams anytime , but i agree with you , it could be easier with them , cause romanian teams never played well against italian teams .

[Milany]

well i want chelsea so we can teach sheva and the blues a lesson that if we bought some big names before the transfer window closes.

idea: do guys think the draw will affect our transfer market like if we get weak teams we will but anyone maybe just iuaqinta or if we get strong teams we wuld bye evryone? that wuld realy suck.

[CuoreRossoNero]

well i want chelsea so we can teach sheva and the blues a lesson that if we bought some big names before the transfer window closes.

idea: do guys think the draw will affect our transfer market like if we get weak teams we will but anyone maybe just iuaqinta or if we get strong teams we wuld bye evryone? that wuld realy suck.

If that was the case, it would mean that Milan would be taking teams lightly and that spells disaster. Whether we have a tough group or not we will eventually meet up with the better sides so the transfer market should have nothing to do with the draw.

By the way what time is the draw (in EST)

[Vonim]

Damn I just saw Lyon are seeded #2!! UEFA really need to change their rules.. I cannot also believe how Barca is ranked 2..for the last few seasons they have reached no where in UCL and only passed QF last year where they won it and now they're 2nd place!

This is how it goes :

Every win in qualification matches, no matter if it's CL or UEFA Cup, gets you 1 point, while every draw gets you 0.50 points.
In UEFA and CL group stages every win gets you 2 points, while every draw 1 point.
Only being in CL group stages brings you 3 points, while everytime you eliminate a club in 1/8, 1/4, 1/2 finals or final, you get extra 1 point (win also brings 2 points and draw 1 points in late knock out stages).
Every team also gets some points based on their country coefficient.
Points from last 5 years are counted, and you get final standings.

So, one team may play in UEFA Cup only in last 5 years, and still be Nr.1 in UEFA club standings. That's why Steaua has so many points, because last year they got more points than every other team but Barcelona.

Next year, we may still be on top, because points from season 2001/02 won't be counted anymore, and in that season Milan played in UEFA Cup, where we got 23 points.
We need to have great CL season to get 23 points back and keep the top.

[Vonim]

This is complete list, with last 5 seasons and points per season :

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method3/trank2006.html

[arcy]

By the way what time is the draw (in EST)
I think it's 12 noon. I'm excited :hopefull:

[KingHenry®]

i really dont mind but i DO NOT want chelsea

nope it would be 2 easy

i want 2 face chelsea in the semis or even the final, the final wer as usual jon terry cries hes eyes out, and the milan players are laffin in their faces

yehhhhhhhhhhh

[KingHenry®]

I think it's 12 noon. I'm excited :hopefull:

its 17:00 bst

[Jim_UK]

Yes the CL draw has been and gone, we drew Accrington Stanley, Forfar Athletic and Mito Hollyhock ...

I think we may go through !

[inggo]

Set your "date and time" on your computer, based on where you are. And then go to www.uefa.com. There is a countdown drawing timer there, and that time would be matched between your computer time and the drawing time. If i'm not wrong, you can the drawing as an Audio or video there. :beer:

And also if i'm not wrong, ESPN will broadcasting it live.

[KingHenry®]

Yes the CL draw has been and gone, we drew Accrington Stanley, Forfar Athletic and Mito Hollyhock ...

I think we may go through !

source????

[Vadim]

Do you actually think he's serious?

[KingHenry®]

do u think i was serious?

[sheva-gila]

do u think i was serious?

and great Accrington's coach ALI G mention that thay will play the best game against us propobly 2-8-1 with padonna in attack

[Capo Ultra]

and great Accrington's coach ALI G mention that thay will play the best game against us propobly 2-8-1 with padonna in attack

And Borat is the goalkeeper..! :delol: :ilol:

[Vadim]

do u think i was serious?

IDK you asked for a source. Sometimes I don't understand things so good... :ilol:

[ukrainian_CA]

Oh boy, who would hope for a Barca, Chelsea, Benfica, Hamburg group? Damn I just saw Lyon are seeded #2!! UEFA really need to change their rules.. I cannot also believe how Barca is ranked 2..for the last few seasons they have reached no where in UCL and only passed QF last year where they won it and now they're 2nd place! Chelsea have been good in the last 3 years while Man U have been absolutely terrible and didnt even make it past group stages last year and are Seed #1!! Arsenal who only made the final last year, and have been under performing in CL for the last fwe years are seed #1 !! And omg Liverpool WHAT THE HELL IS LIVERPOOL doing in seed #1!!! Valencia? I think they only played in 3 of the last 5 CL's!!

Isn't the seeding based on the last 5 years? Milan should be rank #1 BY FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR!

Milan IS number 1. And you are absolutely positively right - the raitings are messed up BIG TIME.
Here are the raitings (yes based on last 5 years in the CL)
ACM ~129;
Barca~127;
Real~120;
Inter~112;
Liver~106;
Arse~102;
MU~101;
Valencia~95;
Lyon~90;
Porto~88;
PSV~82;
Bavaria~81;
Chelsea~80 etc...

Weird, huh??? Arcenal and MU higher than Lyon and Chelsea, PSV and Bayern.

[ukrainian_CA]

This is how it goes :

Every win in qualification matches, no matter if it's CL or UEFA Cup, gets you 1 point, while every draw gets you 0.50 points.
In UEFA and CL group stages every win gets you 2 points, while every draw 1 point.
Only being in CL group stages brings you 3 points, while everytime you eliminate a club in 1/8, 1/4, 1/2 finals or final, you get extra 1 point (win also brings 2 points and draw 1 points in late knock out stages).
Every team also gets some points based on their country coefficient.
Points from last 5 years are counted, and you get final standings.

So, one team may play in UEFA Cup only in last 5 years, and still be Nr.1 in UEFA club standings. That's why Steaua has so many points, because last year they got more points than every other team but Barcelona.

Next year, we may still be on top, because points from season 2001/02 won't be counted anymore, and in that season Milan played in UEFA Cup, where we got 23 points.
We need to have great CL season to get 23 points back and keep the top.

The trouble with these raitings is in the following rule:
"Every team also gets some points based on their country coefficient."

Apparently, England's coefficient is out of wack with respect to the others, making
this whole system subjective (who defines the coefficients can redefine the raitings).

[rahul.acm]

Just 20 minutes away from the draw! Cross you fingers gentlemen.

-x--x-x--x-x-x
I still can't understand how the lowly Inter is at no. 4 ahead of liverpool?

[Jim_UK]

My source ?

Daily Planet (http://www.thedailyplanet.com) ... article by Mr C. Kent ... :D

Being serious for a moment, aslong as we're in the top 8 of these seeds to be in the top group for the draw ... what difference does it make ? It's only really Uefa that this list matters to.

[zlatanov]

To anyone who wants to watch the draw:

just go to www.uefa.com and right in front of you'll see a counter counting down the time left till the draw starts. Just click on the counter and window will pop-up. At the bottom there is a link to the "VIDEO" feed.

[Vadim]

mms://live.video.uefa.com/S001B000V01

Direct link to Real Player.

[arcy]

The streaming is awesome, very clear

[hitmannq8]

Im watching the draw live. Lehmann just won best GK of last season.

[ukrainian_CA]

Lehman gets best goalkeeper award ...

[hitmannq8]

LIVE:

ACMILAN FIRSt team drawn !! ugh nevermind, we are group H !

[ukrainian_CA]

Milan gets in group H.

[Vadim]

Nope. We're in Group H.

[ukrainian_CA]

Liver in group C.

[Kui]

I dont like the seedings again. I'm glad we are in pot 1, but look at all the other teams in pot 2. Seems kind of screwed up no? Just my personal opinion.

[hitmannq8]

ok 1st seedings are as followings:

A - BARCELONA
B - INTERNAZIONALE
C - LIVERPOOL
D - VALENCIA

E - REAL MADRID
F - MANCHESTER UNITED
G - ARSENAL
H - MILAN


Groups A-D play on the same day and same goes to E-H

[arcy]

Puyol wins defender award

[hitmannq8]

Puyol just beat Cannavaro to best defender! :1ang:

[Jim_UK]

How else would you solve the problem Kui ?

Unless you just draw names out of a hat, but then you run the risk of having 4 big teams together and 4 little teams together.

[Jim_UK]

Puyol just beat Cannavaro to best defender! :1ang:

That's not surprising is it, he did win the competition after all. I expect the majority of these 'awards' will go to either Arsenal or Barca players ... and one Chelsea player :pp18:

[Kui]

How else would you solve the problem Kui ?

Unless you just draw names out of a hat, but then you run the risk of having 4 big teams together and 4 little teams together.

All the other teams in pot 1 should be in pot 4. There.... solved. :ilol:

[ukrainian_CA]

Roma in for Valencia

[hitmannq8]

Roma is in group D along with Valencia!!

Bayern with Inter!!

Lille with MILAN YEAAAH BAABY!!!!!!!!!

[ukrainian_CA]

Lille - Milan

[rahul.acm]

We have got Lille with us in H

[Jim_UK]

well which is it ? Bayern with Real or Inter ?

[arcy]

It's Lille

[Vadim]

Bayern with Inter. We got Lille! :)

[CuoreRossoNero]

Liverpool PSV.

I like our Draw so Far

[hitmannq8]

Here's an update:

A - Barcelona , CHELSAE
B - Inter, Bayern
C - Liverpool , PSV
D - Valencia, Roma

E - Real Madrid ,
F - Manchester Utd,
H - Milan , Lille
G - Arsenal , Porto

[Stezagud]

Barca Chelsea :D

[Jim_UK]

They are no mugs ... but you'd fancy our chances against them.

[arcy]

Barca - Chelsea...lol

[rahul.acm]

ski tied with Barcelona!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yeahhhhhhhh

[CuoreRossoNero]

Barca - Chelsea - WOW!! :musk:

[hitmannq8]

omgggggggg GUYS BARCA CHELSEA

[rahul.acm]

By far we have the lightest opponent

[Jim_UK]

haha ... they meet again ... i guess it's too much to ask that Chelsea somehow finish 3rd

[hitmannq8]

deco wins best midfielder

[arcy]

diving deco won best midfielder

[Stezagud]

not impossible though, Boro showed that they havent gelled as a team yet and if you pressure them they are beatable, a few tough games early in the campaign could leave them needeing something from the ties against Barca :cool:

[Jim_UK]

some people need to get the facts straight before posting !

[Warro Bantan]

A good draw...sign of good things to come for us in Europe this year?

[Jim_UK]

yes, that's true Steza, but it does depend on who they get from pots 3+4 and when they play Barca

[Stezagud]

Bremen join Chelsea and Barca :D

[arcy]

werder bremen=A!

[Jim_UK]

It would be a good draw if it was just the two of us in the group and the first two went through .... i'd fancy our chances then :D

[CuoreRossoNero]

Bremen is with Chelsea and Barca

[rahul.acm]

The killer group of all

Barca
Ski
Bremen

Sheva still having secon thoughts?

[zlatanov]

Sporting with Inter and Bayern

[Jim_UK]

Too late if he is rahul ... i hope we get AEK Athens

[Stezagud]

Milan will have to do something terrible not to qualify now :cool:

[Vadim]

AEK 3d team in our group.

[zlatanov]

we get AEK .... nice draw so far

[CuoreRossoNero]

We Got Aek!!!!!!

[CuoreRossoNero]

Now if we could only avoid Galatasaray. I don't like the trouble the away game holds

[Arildonardo]

We're so lucky! This is a walkthrough... We have got the worst team from both pot 2 and pot 3!

:3band:

[Jim_UK]

You sure post alot considering you're banned Zlatanov ... :nana:

[zlatanov]

compared to Benfica. Werder, Sporting, Bordeaux, and CSKA Moskva, AEK is like a dream :)

[hitmannq8]

update:

A - Barca, Chelsea, Bremen
B - Inter, Bayern, Sporting
C - Liverpool , PSV , Bordeaux
D - Valencia, Roma , Olympiakos ,

E - Real Madrid , Lyon, Bucharest
F - Man Utd, Celtic , Benfica
G - Arsenal , Porto , CSKA Moskow
H - Milan , Lillie , AEK Athens

[zlatanov]

You sure post alot considering you're banned Zlatanov ... :nana:
shhhhhhht, don't tell anyone :evil: :D

[CuoreRossoNero]

This draw must be driving all the Milan haters crazy!! :ilol:

[mrki]

lille, aek?? we are fine , no need for transfers :) :)

[Jim_UK]

wow, i got that one right ... hoorah ... and for my next trick ....

Levski Sofia please !

Your secret is safe with me Zlat

[Vadim]

Eto'o wins best striker. All to Barca.

[zlatanov]

We're so lucky! This is a walkthrough... We have got the worst team from both pot 2 and pot 3!

:3band:
yeah, I can't believe it .... we've always had tough luck in these draws.
Inter have always had it easy but look at them now ... I wouldn't bet they would make it through the group ;)

[rahul.acm]

Inter along with Ski too has an aweful group!
Bayern and Sporting not the easiest of opponents. It's simply the most amazing draw!

[Stezagud]

They'll be giving Larsson best substitute of the year next, and Xavi is favourite to win injured player of the year too ;)

[zlatanov]

Levski Sofia please !

anderlech might be easier, actually, but won't refuse Levski either ... at least that way fans back home would see some world class football with Milan :hug:

[Stezagud]

If Milan draw Copenhagen then people will start saying Berlu has no money to buy players because he's given it to UEFA instead :D

[mrki]

now Eto'o will get hios award and walk out, go to Galliani's private jet and come to Milanello. Who is next for us in CL? I cant watch the ceremony.

[Arildonardo]

Pot 4 in Milan's group: Anderlecht


Group H:
Milan, Lille, AEK and Anderlecht.

[hitmannq8]

update:

A - Barca, Chelsea, Bremen , Levski Sofia
B - Inter, Bayern, Sporting , Spartak Moscow
C - Liverpool , PSV , Bordeaux , Galatasaray
D - Valencia, Roma , Olympiakos , Shakhtar Donetsk

E - Real Madrid , Lyon, Bucharest , Dynamo Kiev
F - Man Utd, Celtic , Benfica , Copenhagen
G - Arsenal , Porto , CSKA Moskow , Hamburg
H - Milan , Lillie , AEK Athens , Anderlecht (GROUP OF DEATH)

[Vadim]

Anderlecht is our last team.

[zlatanov]

If Milan draw Copenhagen then people will start saying Berlu has no money to buy players because he's given it to UEFA instead :D
haha :grinser:

but they did eliminate Ajax, you know, although Ajax can only blame themselves for that

[rahul.acm]

Anderlecht it is for us!

[mrki]

Anderlecht! ubelievable easy!!!!!!!!!! hahahahaha!!! we can pass this in 4 matches and rest our players, this is very good.

[CuoreRossoNero]

I hope Inter draws Gala

[Jim_UK]

I wouldn't want Copenhagen, they put out Ajax after all.

Anderlecht can cause problems also.

[Stezagud]

Anderlecht completes the group, this is very good for Milan, should be qualified before Christmas and can focus on the league without worrying, Inter will have plenty to do to qualify and it may hurt their league form :cool:

[zlatanov]

yesssss, baby, Anderlecht ... that's one NICE draw ... just love it

[meazza]

lets not take anyone to lightly but I'd be lying if I said the draw wasn't even better than I'd hoped for. to my mind we should win every game, the only problem is if we slip up, all the other teams will probably trade blows making it a tight group.

[zlatanov]

Good luck to Inter, they will need - they get Spartak Moskva as 4th team.
My prediction is, Inter will be evaluating options for a new coach come this January/February

[Arildonardo]

This is better than we could have dreamt of!

By the way, poor Levski Sofia... :delol:

[lked]

Anderlecht , Lille , AEK Athens :eek: - couldn't be better
we have the easyest group !!

Inter :nana:

[arcy]

Haha I feel like we just won something today :)

[Ross Oneri]

Lille, AEK Athens and Anderlecht :firedev:

[Vadim]

Group A
Barcelona
Chelsea
Werder Bremen
Levski Sofia

Group B
Inter
Bayern Munich
Sporting Portugal
Spartak Moskva

Group C
Liverpool
PSV Eindhoven
Bordeaux
Galatasaray

Group D
Valencia
Roma
Olympiacos
Shakhtar Donetsk

Group E
Real Madrid
Lyon
Steaua Bucureşti
Dynamo Kyiv

Group F
Manchester United
Celtic
Benfica
FC København

Group G
Arsenal
Porto
CSKA Moskva
Hamburg

Group H
AC Milan
Lille
AEK Athens
Anderlecht

[Stezagud]

yeah thats a nightmare draw for Sofia, i imagine their manager was watching that last part of the draw whispering to himself "please not A, please not A, please not A, please not.. DOH!" :D

At least their fans get treated to some of the best players in Europe.

[Rosso6]

We finally have a group like Brasil always does during the World Cup. Now we need a forward, Ronaldo will do.

[Jim_UK]

I agree with meazza, although we should qualify lets not think we've already won the competition. It is however one in the eye for Uefa ... i'd love to see Galliani with his broadest cheesy grin on his face as he shakes Johansson's hand telling him how good it is to be in the CL ... :rotfl:

[Vadim]

anderlech might be easier, actually, but won't refuse Levski either ... at least that way fans back home would see some world class football with Milan :hug:

Are you a Levski or CSKA fan? Most of my Bulgarian friends are CSKA fans, so I guess I like CSKA Sofia too :D

[Arildonardo]

yeah thats a nightmare draw for Sofia, i imagine their manager was watching that last part of the draw whispering to himself "please not A, please not A, please not A, please not.. DOH!" :D

At least their fans get treated to some of the best players in Europe.
Good point. They might as well play some of the best teams, because they would probably not qualify from any of the groups anyway...

[Rosso6]

maybe this is a good omen for us, we play AEK Athens, and the final is in Athens.
Forza Milan

[zafrul]

Finally, something positive....

But with this easy group, maybe the Milan management will deem there is no need for new signings...

Hope that now Gillardino can break his CL duck!

[Reza]

Easiest group in a long time, up to the players and especially Ancelotti not to take these lightly.

[Giorgos]

The group stage is easy, Milan can have an easy training in this group if they will not underestimate these teams. As far as AEK Athens, i will give you too much information about AEK fu..ing Athens. For Tzzm or like that who insulted me saying that i support a lot of teams in europe, i wish pride Milan to burn aand destroy fu..ing AEK.

[atreides602]

damn , damn , damn, i'm not gonna' see my idols this year neither. :5milan:

[KingHenry®]

im not complainin sweeeeeeet

[Jim_UK]

this should probably be moved to the CL sub forum :)

[marcovb]

This is the easiest group

[zlatanov]

Are you a Levski or CSKA fan? Most of my Bulgarian friends are CSKA fans, so I guess I like CSKA Sofia too :D
neither actually ... not following BG football at all ... but maybe I would give a slight pref. to CSKA. Still, that's the first time a BG team qualifies for the CL, so now I am a Levski fan :stuckup:

[zlatanov]

Good point. They might as well play some of the best teams, because they would probably not qualify from any of the groups anyway...
so true, this was probably the best draw for BG fans one could imagine ... the one negative is that they won't be seeing the very best come to town ;)

[Gate13]

aek is worst than gayros(olympiakos) so we will beat them with ease :D

FORza milan!

[mzk57]

AC Milan in eaisy group??? Tha makes me sick :r11:
Bring on Chelsea and Hamburge :de3:

I wish we could have Man Utd, Arsenal or Liverpool in over group so that to teach them how to play :5130:

[peters]

im sorry for u atreides, was hoping we get steaua just because of that...

Easy group all in all, couldnt be easier. Was hoping for chelsea or some other strong club for some spectacle. Now i dont know how many matches i could watch over tv cos there will be plenty better ones on the same time.

[Jim_UK]

An easy group has more probablity of qualification for us, which as we all know equals more money.

[mzk57]

An easy group has more probablity of qualification for us, which as we all know equals more money.

Milan is not abt money, Its abt teacheing a footballing lesson to those who claim to be as good as Milan. :sun:

[Capo Ultra]

Here is the schedule:

September 13: Milan - AEK Athens
Sebtember 26: Lille - Milan
October 17: Anderlecht - Milan
November 1: Milan - Anderlecht
November 21: AEK Athens - Milan
December 6: Milan - Lille

[Jim_UK]

I never said Milan was about money, i merely pointed out a benefit of an easier group.

[ukrainian_CA]

Good luck to Inter, they will need - they get Spartak Moskva as 4th team.
My prediction is, Inter will be evaluating options for a new coach come this January/February

Zlat,

do you know what Spartak, CSCA, Dynamo K and Shakhtar have in common
except for all being from ex-USSR space?

The large fraction of foriegn players.

All these 4 have more than 50% of internationals (many from Brazil in the ukrainian teams and CSCA).

[midori]

A walk in the park, so to speak but I hope the players take it very seriously. I'd hate to blow it with a too casual approach (not that I think we will). Love that Chelsea will do battle with Barca. As pointed out, with this easy group we will gain some nice funds, always helpful.

[atreides602]

im sorry for u atreides, was hoping we get steaua just because of that...
thanks you , at list i can hope for steaua to make it to the next stage and meet milan there[alltough i must say it will take a miracle for that: real m. , ol. lyon, steaua and dinamo kyev] , i will keep prayin' . :w221:

[Jim_UK]

we just have to find someone to spend it on midori :D

[NAMMY]

Seems like a rather easy group (touch wood). Does this mean we play the runner-up/winner of group B (probably will be Inter/Bayern)?

[Capo Ultra]

Seems like a rather easy group (touch wood). Does this mean we play the runner-up/winner of group B (probably will be Inter/Bayern)?

No, we have to meet the runner-up from Group G. That is probably going to be Porto.

Inter will have to play either Barcelona or Chelsea.

[GRE-NO-LI]

Not a hard task, for sure... but make no mistake: without the needed reinforcements, he will not go beyond the group stage.

[NAMMY]

No, we have to meet the runner-up from Group G. That is probably going to be Porto.

Inter will have to play either Barcelona or Chelsea.

Okie doke, I just thought we'd play B as that's what group H did last year. Sounds like we have a good chance of progressing to the quater-finals.

[Capo Ultra]

Okie doke, I just thought we'd play B as that's what group H did last year. Sounds like we have a good chance of progressing to the quater-finals.

Hmm. I have just checked the regulations, and I was wrong, when I wrote that we were going to play the runner-up from Group G.

Article 4, Paragraph 4.07:

a. Clubs from the same association must not be drawn against each other.

b. The winners and runners-up of the same group must not be drawn against each other.

c. The group winners must not be drawn against each other.

d. The runners-up must not be drawn against each other.

e. The runners-up must play the first leg at home.

That means we can't meet Lille, AEK Athens, Anderlecht, Inter or Roma in the 1/8-finals. Or the other group winners.

[King tiger]

We have extremely easy group, and easy draw for a second stage.Hope we play in the final:D

[Jim_UK]

Hmm. I have just checked the regulations, and I was wrong, when I wrote that we were going to play the runner-up from Group G.

Article 4, Paragraph 4.07:

a. Clubs from the same association must not be drawn against each other.

b. The winners and runners-up of the same group must not be drawn against each other.

c. The group winners must not be drawn against each other.

d. The runners-up must not be drawn against each other.

e. The runners-up must play the first leg at home.

That means we can't meet Lille, AEK Athens, Anderlecht, Inter or Roma in the 1/8-finals. Or the other group winners.


How are you wrong? None of the 5 points in that list effect us drawing the runners up of group G. That is assuming our group and group G are paired together.

[GilAttack [11]]

Love our group. Looking foward to Chelsea-Barca as well.

[ukrainian_CA]

']Love our group. Looking foward to Chelsea-Barca as well.

I cannot seem to remember whether the winner and the runner-up from one group can meet before the CL final? I think the answer is ... it depends upon
another post-group-stage draw or is it?

[GilAttack [11]]

I cannot seem to remember whether the winner and the runner-up from one group can meet before the CL final? I think the answer is ... it depends upon
another post-group-stage draw or is it?

Yup, that was my first thought as well. Obviously by no means its rigged, but if they face each other after the group stage it will be deep in the tournament.

[zlatanov]

Zlat,

do you know what Spartak, CSCA, Dynamo K and Shakhtar have in common
except for all being from ex-USSR space?

The large fraction of foriegn players.

All these 4 have more than 50% of internationals (many from Brazil in the ukrainian teams and CSCA).
I know this is the case especially for the russian teams and Shakhtor with their Rinat aka Roman of the Ukraine :) ... not sure about Dynamo though. As far as I know they have a brazilian centerback and forward - don't quote me on this ;) - but the vast majority of the players are ukrainians.
I just wish Inter were meeting Spartak in a slightly better form though, cause for the past several years, SPartak hasn't been the team that won what - the first 8 champinsips of Russia in a row. Still, they seem to be coming back to their good old days as now they are also in the CL.
That argentinian guy, Cavenaghi, does he still play for them? I remeber them getting also Mozart, theBrazilian mid who used to play for Breschia, right? The ukrainian Kalyninchenko (sp?) had a pretty good WC. Not sure about Egor Titov though cause he got banned for dopping for 2 years I think ... he was Spartak's most influential player, I think.
They are a good team, not at their very best in terms of what Spartak M was 5-6 years ago but still will create lots of problems, especially to the bunch of primadonnas Inter are.

[Capo Ultra]

How are you wrong? None of the 5 points in that list effect us drawing the runners up of group G. That is assuming our group and group G are paired together.

No, what I meant was that is it not definite that we are going to meet the runner-up from Group G.
I wrote that no matter what, we had to play a team from Group G. And that was wrong.

[zZ[-_-]Zz]

i think we should merge both CL group threads together...

[Jim_UK]

Ah i see, ok Capo Ultra ...

[midori]

Not a hard task, for sure... but make no mistake: without the needed reinforcements, he will not go beyond the group stage.

Thank you Captain Doom for the insight.

[ukrainian_CA]

I know this is the case especially for the russian teams and Shakhtor with their Rinat aka Roman of the Ukraine :) ... not sure about Dynamo though. As far as I know they have a brazilian centerback and forward - don't quote me on this ;) - but the vast majority of the players are ukrainians.
I just wish Inter were meeting Spartak in a slightly better form though, cause for the past several years, SPartak hasn't been the team that won what - the first 8 champinsips of Russia in a row. Still, they seem to be coming back to their good old days as now they are also in the CL.
That argentinian guy, Cavenaghi, does he still play for them? I remeber them getting also Mozart, theBrazilian mid who used to play for Breschia, right? The ukrainian Kalyninchenko (sp?) had a pretty good WC. Not sure about Egor Titov though cause he got banned for dopping for 2 years I think ... he was Spartak's most influential player, I think.
They are a good team, not at their very best in terms of what Spartak M was 5-6 years ago but still will create lots of problems, especially to the bunch of primadonnas Inter are.

Dynamo played in Turkey with 4 unkrainians underlined:
Shovkovsky, Markovic, Sablic, Rodrigo, Kaddouri, Yussuf, Correa, Rotan (Verpakovskis 80'), Husiev (Gavrancic 64'), Rebrov, Shatskikh (Belkevich 89'). They also have several brazilians and other internationals on the bench. Shatskih plays for Uzbekistan, Verpakovskis for Latvia. Correa is a new and good Brazilian addition, rumors are that since he is under 21 he can be naturalized to be able to play for the Ukr. NT.

Spartak is better this year. Kavenaghi played 87 min in the last qualifier on Wednesday. Mozart played too on the pitch not on a piano :-).
Titov is back and is available, was pulled into the Russia's NT by Hiddink (spell?).
CSCA is in great shape too. I think CSCA and Shakhtar have good chances to advance, just by looking at their group and performance. Dynamo had a superb start of the season performance-wise and should be able to punch Real again just like last time in 99.

Speaking of internationals, have you seen a roster of the NT of Georgia, Italy and Ukraine's opp-t in the Euro-08 qualifying group? They have had 0 (zero)
players who play in Georgia, that is the NT is comprised 100% of internationals.

[Giorgos]

Tomorrow night Milanistas i will present you our first opponent, AEK fu..ing Athens, today unfortunately i had a lot of work to do and now is 3:14 in the morning.

[Vadim]

I merged several CL threads and made them into this one: General Discussion of Milan in the CL.

[arcy]

Nice draw! :dielaugh:

Since I've been seeing equations around here lately:

Group H = Top (Pot1 + Pot4) + Bottom (Pot2 + Pot3) == EVEN DRAW!

* Top = highest coeff in Pot
:uhm:

So what are Chelsea and Inter :5inter: complaining about??? :fart:

[minhduc]

Last night after the draw Galliani called RM director said: now our position has changed, we offer anly 10m for Ronaldo. If Inter plays in Moscow winter they have no chance at all.

[zlatanov]

Speaking of internationals, have you seen a roster of the NT of Georgia, Italy and Ukraine's opp-t in the Euro-08 qualifying group? They have had 0 (zero)
players who play in Georgia, that is the NT is comprised 100% of internationals.
wow, Dynamo have deffinitely changed their philosophy from the Lobanovsky days of the club ... knew that they sort of followed in Shakhtor's steps but had no idea that 2/3 of their starting 11 are foreigners.
As for Georgia NT, I guess this should be expected ... something very similar happened to Bulgarian NT a little before and after WC '94 ... this is good for the whole team as players gain international experience and can only get better by playing with Europe's top footballers on a regular basis. Many georgian intern. players play their football in Germany, some in Holland, and a certain player in Italy too :)

[Rapini]

When do we play next?

[zlatanov]

When do we play next?
Serie A starts on Sept 10, I believe. As for CL fixtures, I took thefollowing from the official site:

Below are Milan’s fixtures in Group H of the Champions League:

September 13: Milan-AEK Athens
Sebtember 26: Lille-Milan
October 17: Anderlecht-Milan
November 1: Milan-Anderlecht
November 21: AEK-Milan
December 6: Milan-Lille

[milancampioni]

Easy matches for our team. Yes!!!, I'm gonna see Milan on Athens Olympic Stadium. I was waiting for this time for so long time. (On 1994/1995 CL period I was too small to go to see Milan :P). Giorgos, Athens is a wonderful place to live and much richer from Thessaloniki.

[Jeff]

Easy but not so easy; giveh that Milan is (potentially) not as poweful as last year, we'll have to reconsider our position.

In any case, all matches are difficult in CL.

[humanTORCH]

I expect Gila to start scoring with the opponents we are facing in group stages :dontkn:

[Rayno_acm]

yeah thats a nightmare draw for Sofia, i imagine their manager was watching that last part of the draw whispering to himself "please not A, please not A, please not A, please not.. DOH!" :D

At least their fans get treated to some of the best players in Europe.
You have not idea how right you are, that's exactly what has happened :D :haha:
Pretty easy group for us, but we have to be careful, you know, Serie A starts on September 10th, and our first game in CL is on September 13th :eek: We will lack practice :eek:

[ct]

We have the easiest group eh?

Dangit!

I'm always afraid of our games against the so-called weaker teams. In Serie A, we usually loose points against weaker teams instead of those so-called strong teams. Got me worry a bit though.

On second thought, the group stage will be a good experience for Gila to actually score. Come on mate, if you can't score against Lilie, then, I'm not sure if I could give you more chances. Go for it!

[Tony Soprano]

I agree. We must respect our opponent no matter who it is but at the end of the day, we do have the easiest group of all. It would be embarassing for us not to advance to the 16. As for Gila, he must score. Inzaghi is our only scoring reliability at the moment, so our squad is weaker compared to last year.

[hitmannq8]

We have the easiest group eh?

Dangit!

I'm always afraid of our games against the so-called weaker teams. In Serie A, we usually loose points against weaker teams instead of those so-called strong teams. Got me worry a bit though.

On second thought, the group stage will be a good experience for Gila to actually score. Come on mate, if you can't score against Lilie, then, I'm not sure if I could give you more chances. Go for it!


I know that Milan dont play well against easy teams and tend to lose points against these smaller teams, but really our CL group is not only easy, but it is TOOOOO easy, I think if we play with our B team we can qualify with no problem.

[RIO]

No offense to the other squads, and on any given day yadda yadda yadda, but it certainly is the easiest group of all. If Milan can't get out of this one, they ought not even be in the CL.

[GilAttack [11]]

Its all about winning the whole thing, not just getting pass the group stage. We will see how Milan stacks up against the other big sides in Europe.

[ukrainian_CA]

wow, Dynamo have deffinitely changed their philosophy from the Lobanovsky days of the club ... knew that they sort of followed in Shakhtor's steps but had no idea that 2/3 of their starting 11 are foreigners.
As for Georgia NT, I guess this should be expected ... something very similar happened to Bulgarian NT a little before and after WC '94 ... this is good for the whole team as players gain international experience and can only get better by playing with Europe's top footballers on a regular basis. Many georgian intern. players play their football in Germany, some in Holland, and a certain player in Italy too :)

Dnipro (formerly known as Dnepr) is the all ukrainian team left in UPL (ukr. Pr. league). Unfortunately they lost to Marselle Olymp. in the Intertoto Cup (0-0 and 2-2 at home). Dnipro with their good school and selection supplies (sells) players for DK and the NT.
BTW, in 1984-85 Dnepr made it to the CL 1/4 final (beat PSV and lost on the shootouts to Bordeaux).

[Dr Milano]

:5130: didnt draw any of them lolzzzzzzzz

[Giorgos]

Ok, here we are as i promised AEK Athens. It advanced in the group stage after two wins against Hearts in Scotland 2-1 and in Athens 3-0 ( In the first Hearts played from 67' with 10 players and AEK score on 89', 90', in the second, Hearts had 10 players in 30' and 9 in 60' and AEK scored in 67' after a fake penalty).
The previous year its coach was Fernado Santos who was playing 4-3-3, Its new coach from June is Sera Ferrer who plays 4-4-2. Lakis, a good RM, winger who can create space by runing and crossing not good in finishing, Chatemai, a Finlanf md not something very good as well as Hungarian MD, Tozer. Alexopoulos a strong and tall Greek CB and Udeze a very good Nigerian CB, ex of my team PAOK Thessaloniki but he hasnt adapted to his new team yet because he went there 2,5 weeks ago, so he doent play. We played with AEK in group stage of CL, in the first game in Cagliari (because Milan was banned) Milan scored first but Milan finally won with two headings from young at that time Panucci. In Athens AEK was much better, they lost chances, i think two woodworks but the final score was 0-0. The game was in Philadelfia the psysical ground of AEK a tough stadium, but the last 3 years they broke it down to create a new but it didnt happen so AEK plays in Marousi, in OAKA, in the national stadium, which is huge, not a "ground". There will take place the final of CL. The last time Milan played there was in 1994 in the final of CL Milan-Barca 4-0. So Milan will paly there with the hope to return there for the final and the stadium is maybe lucky after 4-0 winning against Barca in 1994.

My opinion is that we must press AEK in San Siro in order their defence to make the mistake and to score. In Athens the stadium will be crowded, Milan should look its defence and we need our midfielders to pass good to broke AEK's defence.

GK: Sorentino from Italy but he had a car crashed and he will be out for 1 month so he will not play in San Siro. His substitude, Chiotis a good Greek goalkeeper around 28 who started as a rare talent but stayed state.

RB: Paoultaso, an Argentinian attacking back, he has played only 2 official games, is good, but not too good.
LB: Georgeas, a player who doesn't have talent but plays with passion without being "violent", unlike Rino sometimes.
CB: Dellas, ex-Roma CB, he was one of the best in Greek defence in Euro 2004, then he had an injury in Roma, he returned last year in AEK, he didnt play a lot, he now tries to improove his shape but he isnt as he was, he is 30 years old.
CB: Cirillo, you know him.
RM: Lagos in the most talented Greek player below 23 years, he went in AEK at June, in his first game he was very good but in the last two dissapointed, one reason for this is because he is left footed and Ferer put him in the right.
LM: Cejar, a typical Brazilian, good dribbling, good winger but not excellent, Sergihno will have work to do.
DM: Emerson, the ex player of Deportivo la Corunia, he is good but in big games after 65' he may be tired.
AM: Ivic, an unprooved talent, not bad but one reason for playing is because his brother Ilia Ivic who played in Torino is the general manager of AEK.
FW: Lyberopoulos: A scorer, in the whole game he may dont even touch the ball, but suddenly he can score, one of the best Greek attackers the last 10 years.
SC: Kapetanos, a n talent (23) attacker good both in head and with the ball, but he has still to be improoved a lot.

Other players: Maduka: Brazilian AM from Benfica not sthing to worry much about him, Zikos, ex-Monako's DM is still injured, Delibasic the ex-striker of Mallorca, Moras a strong central defender, Tziortziopoulos, an unprooved LB, Kiraikidis, an talented dm who is not playing. Kabadais, an 24 yeared old SC not something good.

Any questions?

[SANT]

Giorgios, thanks for the detailed description of each player!

and yes, one question, what is Lagos favorite color? :devf:

[minhduc]

I guess the CL favourable CL draw has changed Milan buying plan up side down. Now considering the group stage not so tough Milan can use that to develop young players, why buy expensive Ronaldo ? I am expecting 2-3 young players coming to Milan soon.

At the same time it looks like Real Madrid is talking nonesense to us, 25m for Ronaldo? Kaka for Ronaldo ? those are considered indecent proposals, Galliani has blown saliva and walked away from the negotiation table. It is confirmed today by Berlusconi that that door is closed.

[kaka's girl]

I myself don't like Ronaldo much , what Milan needs now is a player to replace Sheva ,who can play like a self-starter , but not a player like Ronaldo.
I want Torres and Tevez , they are younger and they have more ambitions than Ronaldo :D

[mrki]

we nned to win this one in 4 matcher, with 12 points, so we dont have tp play 6 times with full squad. This is very important.

[Tony75]

If we play our nrmal game in the group stage we'll have no problems with these teams. But we will need an extra dimension for the later stages. One we don't have at the moment, except in the unknown of Foggia & Gourcuff.

[hwmook]

we nned to win this one in 4 matcher, with 12 points, so we dont have tp play 6 times with full squad. This is very important.

i would like to see that so that our young players who just joined have a chance to play and show what they can do.

[Bram]

I saw the topgame in Belgium yesterday evening between rivals Anderlecht and Club Bruges. And i must say, if Anderlecht plays like this in CL, it must be easy for Milan. Anderlecht didn't play well, although it won 1-0.
They sold their 3 best players (Kompany, Wilhelmson and Tihinen) although they bought a lot of individual young technical talent with Bousouffa, Hassan, Tchité and Biglia.
But normally that shouldn't be a problem for Milan. But, Milan had a lot of difficulties against Belgian teams in the past. Remember Milan - Club Bruges 0-1 ... So we don't wanna underestimate them for sure.

[ThrusT]

I saw the topgame in Belgium yesterday evening between rivals Anderlecht and Club Bruges. And i must say, if Anderlecht plays like this in CL, it must be easy for Milan. Anderlecht didn't play well, although it won 1-0.
They sold their 3 best players (Kompany, Wilhelmson and Tihinen) although they bought a lot of individual young technical talent with Bousouffa, Hassan, Tchité and Biglia.
But normally that shouldn't be a problem for Milan. But, Milan had a lot of difficulties against Belgian teams in the past. Remember Milan - Club Bruges 0-1 ... So we don't wanna underestimate them for sure.

True , but have you seen second half of Real Madrid - Anderlecht?
That was pretty good , imo.

On paper we are better than Lille , AEK and Anderlecht.
But as said , we can't underestimate them.

Lille is a good team , they played rather well last year.
Lille could give us a hard time , they have nothing to lose.

AEK Athens , I don't really know them , can't judge them.

Anderlecht , they really have potential.
Our defence will have to be alert for Bousouffa and Tchité.
As said , they really have some good players like : Bousouffa , Biglia , Hassan , ...
They're only problem is the defence.
They usually suffer at RB , so if we play with Serginho we will probably give them a hard time.
Unless they buy a good RB before the transfer period is over , wich is possible.

[SuperPippo]

Anderlecht will destroy us !

[zlatanov]

I am sure you saying this has nothing to do with the fact that Anderlecht' emblem is your avatar, right?
An Anderlecht fan undercover, maybe? ;)

[joumasepoes]

Anderlecht will destroy us !
I doubt it

[SuperPippo]

I am sure you saying this has nothing to do with the fact that Anderlecht' emblem is your avatar, right?
An Anderlecht fan undercover, maybe? ;)

i'm supporting both teams since i was 6 years old.
rossoneri forever, but 17/10 and 01/11 my Belgian heart will speak :undecide: :3band:

[milanisti2503]

whats the matter with chelsea,i don't understand.Why you all guess chelsea?

[ct]

whats the matter with chelsea,i don't understand.Why you all guess chelsea?

Because we want to teach the English Student on the fine aspect of defeat. Or revenge. Or we just want to show him what he's missing.

[Clarence1990]

It would be a shame if we won't go through after this drawing.
I see no problems in these 3 teams, but we should be careful.

[Shomo]

Anderlecht will destroy us !

Anderlecht? Ha! you are having a laugh buddy