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http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2002390000-2007110287,00.html
Needless to say that this purchase would be my dream, but we will have strong competition if Chelsea put Alex in the market...
Im more interested about what it says at the bottom of the page involving Sheva, lol.
Dr Milano
18-04-2007, 16:38
guys zaccardo said if Juve , Inter and milan were after me .. my sympathies would go to milan .. :nervous:
i dont understand that comment too well anyone help out !! and i do know what sympathy is ... lol ...
Kaka1899
18-04-2007, 16:55
guys zaccardo said if Juve , Inter and milan were after me .. my sympathies would go to milan .. :nervous:
i dont understand that comment too well anyone help out !! and i do know what sympathy is ... lol ...
is he saying that he would reject us so he would have sympathy or it could meen that his thoughts would be with us out of the three?
i don't think i'd want him even if he did want to come to us
Kaka1899
18-04-2007, 17:14
Hey Jim he scored at the world cup! in the wrong goal but credit to the lad he scores against his own country then thinks about moving to Milan,Juve or Inter good on him!
Hey Jim he scored at the world cup! in the wrong goal but credit to the lad he scores against his own country then thinks about moving to Milan,Juve or Inter good on him!
that's certainly something for him to put on his cv :D
I thought he was good at rb and ok at cb ... in both positions there are better players than him around.
Marzoratti, Faubert, Reveillere, possibly Mesto and isn't Zapata a rb too? Alex looks a good bet for cb and Zambrotta, Pasquale or Taiwo for lb are all better options in their respective positions. That's not even mentioning players like Abdial, Chivu or Alves.
For sure the best solution is Zambrotta as he is a top class player, maybe the best fullback in the world. AND he can play on BOTH flanks. So this means we can rotate Oddo-Marek and Zambrotta. For me he is a dream signing, a real touch of class that would be to have him in Milan. Im not sure we are able to buy Gigi, Zambrotta and Alex, that is too much even for Milan....
Hasan Rossonero
19-04-2007, 08:44
I think we will get Gigi. I would love to have Zambo, but I doubt Barca will let him go so soon.
Im not sure we are able to buy Gigi, Zambrotta and Alex, that is too much even for Milan....
I don't think it would be. As said in the Ronaldinho thread, i think if we don't get the Brazilian, Berlusconi would use some of the money for Buffon. This would leave the club to finance moves for Zambrotta & Alex. I think with a bit of smart negotiating, we could get both for around £12 - £15 million given Alex's situation and the fact Zambrotta hasn't really settled in Italy.
All will be revealed come the summer.
Warro Bantan
19-04-2007, 13:09
and the fact Zambrotta hasn't really settled in Italy.
I am sure u meant that Zambrotta hasnt settled in Spain...:D
I don't think it would be. As said in the Ronaldinho thread, i think if we don't get the Brazilian, Berlusconi would use some of the money for Buffon. This would leave the club to finance moves for Zambrotta & Alex. I think with a bit of smart negotiating, we could get both for around £12 - £15 million given Alex's situation and the fact Zambrotta hasn't really settled in Italy.
All will be revealed come the summer.
Zambrotta hasn't settle in Italy? That's true cos he is in Spain now. :grinser:
Zambrotta hasn't settle in Italy? That's true cos he is in Spain now. :grinser:
See Warro .... hwmook knew what i was on about ... duh :rolleyes:
:delol:
zlatanov
20-04-2007, 07:15
something tells me Jim is gonna like this one :D :
http://www.tgcom.mediaset.it/sport/articoli/articolo358491.shtml
Pireloke
20-04-2007, 08:10
Gallas? I always liked him, we should have inserted him into the Sheva transfer to begin with... getting him from Arsenal won't be easy... anyway Gallas or Alex, or even better both, and we're GTG in defense...
With Gallas,Zambrotta and Buffon we wouldnt actually concede any goals :)
But we do need few players up front also. at least one midfielder and one forward. Or Ronaldinho can play both places at the same time! :)
But just a question for some discussion: Who would you guys choose, Gallas or Alex?
Alex is younger and plays great as a CB, and will improve more with Milan. But Gallas is more experianced and can laso play on fullback position as well as a CB.
zlatanov
20-04-2007, 08:31
With Gallas,Zambrotta and Buffon we wouldnt actually concede any goals :)
But we do need few players up front also. at least one midfielder and one forward. Or Ronaldinho can play both places at the same time! :)
But just a question for some discussion: Who would you guys choose, Gallas or Alex?
Alex is younger and plays great as a CB, and will improve more with Milan. But Gallas is more experianced and can laso play on fullback position as well as a CB.
why do we have to choose? :D
If Maldini decides to retire this summer, there will be space for both of them and they won't step on each other's toes as Gallas can play in all defensive positions - RB, RCD, LCD, and LB - so there will be plenty of games for everyone to be happy ... if not, showing the door to troublemakers is as easy as 1,2,3 ;)
Given that Maldini will play for at most 1 more year, it would be nice to secure both Alex and Gallas, if the become available that is.
If paolo decides to play next season too, I say go for Gallas now given his versatility and make sure that Alex refuses to extend his contract with Chelski, which is presumably due to expire next summer :diablo:
I think Alex is a superb player although I don't particurlarly like Brazilian defenders........the term "brazilian defender" is a bit of an oxymoron :D
I would have liked Barzagli / Terry / Gallas. Just like Italians have a reputation for being solid but not necessarliy brilliant players...Brazilians always seem prone to a huge gaff now and then....This isn't very noticeable as attacking players...because Ronaldinho could miss a clear chance now then score a wonder goal and all is forgiven...but Lucio could be playing brilliantly all game and one bad move causes his side to lost the game...Italians generally choose the route of safety and this mentality is what you want in a defender.......of course I am using massive generalizations here and there are many notable exceptions...like Emerson who is a "safety first" player and Baggio/ Cassano who have scarcely played a minute that lacked flair.
Wing backs are a different story though...don't mind South American wing backs...esp Brazilians :5ok:
Who I really like though is Diego...he is surely going to be in the class of Kaka...perhaps almost as good....perhaps as good...or maybe even better than Kaka ...he would be a dream signing and Just what we need in midifeld
If I had to pick four signings I'd pick : Alves; Galllas/Terry; Diego; Huntelaar/Torres/Sobis/ Pato
alex is overrated, i dont like him
zlatanov
20-04-2007, 12:04
alex is overrated, i dont like him
OK, then we won't buy him :D
I would think any chance of us getting Gallas is linked heavily to wether Wenger stays as coach at Arsenal.
You're right Zlat, i did enjoy seeing us linked to William, just as much as i liked seeing us linked to Zambrotta today :D
hishamilan
20-04-2007, 15:13
i see Manu , juve , inter, real ,.... send representatives to clubs to contact them towards their players while berlusconi is being cought in a scandal and some silly ronaldinho rumours i don't see real work in the transfers issue and i am afraid we are pushed to sign some last gasp- players like RO but i think also that Zlat could snap up Galliani's transfer list !!!!!
Brasileiro
20-04-2007, 15:30
I think Alex is a superb player although I don't particurlarly like Brazilian defenders........the term "brazilian defender" is a bit of an oxymoron :D
I would have liked Barzagli / Terry / Gallas. Just like Italians have a reputation for being solid but not necessarliy brilliant players...Brazilians always seem prone to a huge gaff now and then....This isn't very noticeable as attacking players...because Ronaldinho could miss a clear chance now then score a wonder goal and all is forgiven...but Lucio could be playing brilliantly all game and one bad move causes his side to lost the game...Italians generally choose the route of safety and this mentality is what you want in a defender.......of course I am using massive generalizations here and there are many notable exceptions...like Emerson who is a "safety first" player and Baggio/ Cassano who have scarcely played a minute that lacked flair.
Wing backs are a different story though...don't mind South American wing backs...esp Brazilians :5ok:
Who I really like though is Diego...he is surely going to be in the class of Kaka...perhaps almost as good....perhaps as good...or maybe even better than Kaka ...he would be a dream signing and Just what we need in midifeld
If I had to pick four signings I'd pick : Alves; Galllas/Terry; Diego; Huntelaar/Torres/Sobis/ Pato
Nothing personal against you, drucurl(just taking your post to talk about this) as you´re clearly generalizing...but this prejudiced argument that I read in some boards does not have sustentation in the facts. People talk about brazilians defenders, but look for the facts: Alex, Luisao, Cris, Juan, Lucio, Caçapa, Pepe, Naldo an others, all have success in the Europe. Cris for a example, was a joke in Brazil, and came to Europe to be regarded as one of the best in the position. Miracle? No, the fact is that in Brazil they play without the protection that an CB for a example, play in Italy, and as consequence are more exposed...
Look at Canavarro playing without so much protection in Spain...a JOKE!! I will go more further...the labeled great italian defender Canavarro was a joke in Inter also. But people forgive all the gaffs and flaws and are high on this guy because he´s a "italian defender" :rolleyes: If Canavarro was brazilian, after the Inter season(I´m not that bad person to put the R. Madrid season here), he will be playing far from a big club in Europe!!
And as I hate bias, the same prejudice never is used to brazilians fowards/OMD. People are here so high in Sobis just because he had a few great games in the final part of Libertadores. If Sobis wasn´t brazilian, I really doubt he had the same hype. Sobis is a good player, but until he shows more, he´s far from Milan material...
I was trying to nominate(besides Nesta and Maldini) the same numbers of Italian defenders playing at the same level of that small list of brazilians defenders in Europe, but I can´t. I just remeber Barzagli, Bonera, Ferrari and none of these guys are anything better than Alex, Luisao, Caçapa, Lucio, Cris in Europe...and look, IMO, only Alex, Luisao and Lucio are Milan material. But Lucio is just to "offensive" and crazy for the italian(and my) standard.
Back to the topic, what I like in Gallas is the versatility...and as zlatanov said, even if Maldini stay one more year, we can bring both(Alex/Gallas) because gallas versalitity would give games for everybody be happy.
Just to finish, if Alex da Costa was named Alex di Costinni, and born in Italy :grinser: people will have no doubt to nominate him the best defender in Europe right now. Alex is playing at a level in Europe(for 3 straight years), that of general form, a defender only shows at his prime(28/29 years old), and he´s only 24. BTW, at least 2 Italian coaches also see Alex qualitys...as Capello ask Mijatovic to purchase Alex, and both teams(RM and Chelsea) reach a agreement in january...and our Carlo claim Alex the best defender in Europe...The strange thing is that both are coaches of the "land of the defenders".
Gallas' versatility is a nice bonus, but i would only play him at fb if absolutely forced to.
Brasilero I meant no disrespect. Please accept my apologies if you took it that way :5ok: Not that matters but my favourite player of all time is a Brazilian guy called Ronaldo...you might have heard about him...personally I think he is the best ever...better than Maradonna, MVB, Zidane, etc etc.
I said that I was generalizing so please don't take it harder than I meant it. I also said that Alex was great ...so no need to lecture me about how good he it (actually I bought him for Milan in manager mode :D )
With reference to the "gaffs" I am refering to the numerous occasions Roque Jr, Cafu, Lucio, and most of all Roberto Carlos have made crucial mistakes that have cost their respecctive teams big time.
As far as some of the others I was on a Chris rampage for a long while...nobody listened....All i meant was that the best defenders are Italians and we should probably go italian for defence if we influencing our attack with heavy brazilian flavour :5ok:
I love Sobis!!!! He isn't doing that well at Betis but then again All Betis' best players have left so he is really struggling for service
zlatanov
20-04-2007, 15:57
Gallas' versatility is a nice bonus, but i would only play him at fb if absolutely forced to.
when a team is doing well, players are usually happy puppies ... and maybe the environment at Milan will help him settle down ... if not, as mentioned, showing him the door would be as easy as 1,2,3 :)
Gallas hasnt exactly been a hit at Arsenal so I could see him departing with the team, however you know the rules that make Alex unavailable for chelsea would that affect milan? or is it cuz of the whole structure of the EPL?
zlatanov
20-04-2007, 16:47
Gallas hasnt exactly been a hit at Arsenal so I could see him departing with the team, however you know the rules that make Alex unavailable for chelsea would that affect milan? or is it cuz of the whole structure of the EPL?
those rules have to do with the EPL only and do not apply to Serie A ... alex would still be counted as non-UN player in Italy, though.
sheva-gila
20-04-2007, 16:52
Ronaldinho won't come here, from calciomercato.it
Brasileiro
20-04-2007, 20:41
Brasilero I meant no disrespect. Please accept my apologies if you took it that way :5ok: Not that matters but my favourite player of all time is a Brazilian guy called Ronaldo...you might have heard about him...personally I think he is the best ever...better than Maradonna, MVB, Zidane, etc etc.
I said that I was generalizing so please don't take it harder than I meant it. I also said that Alex was great ...so no need to lecture me about how good he it (actually I bought him for Milan in manager mode :D )
With reference to the "gaffs" I am refering to the numerous occasions Roque Jr, Cafu, Lucio, and most of all Roberto Carlos have made crucial mistakes that have cost their respecctive teams big time.
As far as some of the others I was on a Chris rampage for a long while...nobody listened....All i meant was that the best defenders are Italians and we should probably go italian for defence if we influencing our attack with heavy brazilian flavour :5ok:
I love Sobis!!!! He isn't doing that well at Betis but then again All Betis' best players have left so he is really struggling for service
Don´t worry, drucurl...
I never take your post as a disrespect, or or something seemed. Does not needs to apologies :5ok:
As I said in that post: Nothing personal against you, drucurl(just taking your post to talk about this) as you´re clearly generalizing.
So, accept you my apologies if my poor english made you to think this :)
As we said in Brazil: I only "caught the hook" in your joke, to relieve what I read in some Milan(and genaral) football forums, about brazilians defenders, goallies or wing backs...Forum like this:
http://forum.acmilan-online.com/
Here in MM we can agree and disagree in a high level(most of the times :grinser: ) , and just for that reason I still post here.
One more time, sorry for the misunderstood :5ok:
Brasileiro
20-04-2007, 20:44
BTW, what the opinion here about Schweinstiger???
Schweinstieger = good player :5ok:
What, you need more? :D
He's very direct, works hard, quite fast, enough skill to beat people and scores a fair amount of goals for a midfielder. That however is when he's on top of his game, like in the world cup where everything went through him in some matches. However, he does seem a bit inconsistent, sometimes completely disappearing. I don't know much about his mentality or attitude, is he a good man to have in the squad in terms of team spirit or is he an anti-social disruptive force?
With German domestic football at a bit of a low (a bit like italy really), it would be a bit easier to buy him at this moment. Depending on the price he could be a good addition to the side and more than likely an alternative to Ronaldinho.
good to hear i'm not the only one who thinks alex way overrated :D
Arildonardo
21-04-2007, 17:58
Schweinsteiger is ok, but there's only one player from the German Bundesliga we really need and he is a midfielder who plays for Werder Bremen:
Diego
This guy is amazing and he's only 22 years old. He has scored 12 (1 penalty) goals and made 12 assists in 29 league games so far this season.
Brasileiro
21-04-2007, 18:54
Schweinstieger = good player :5ok:
What, you need more? :D
He's very direct, works hard, quite fast, enough skill to beat people and scores a fair amount of goals for a midfielder. That however is when he's on top of his game, like in the world cup where everything went through him in some matches. However, he does seem a bit inconsistent, sometimes completely disappearing. I don't know much about his mentality or attitude, is he a good man to have in the squad in terms of team spirit or is he an anti-social disruptive force?
With German domestic football at a bit of a low (a bit like italy really), it would be a bit easier to buy him at this moment. Depending on the price he could be a good addition to the side and more than likely an alternative to Ronaldinho.
What I need more?? Nothing, great job:grinser:
I remember of great games by Schweinstieger, but you just hit the point: inconsistent!
I was afraid to be the only one to see this. But, every time that B. Munich needs Schweinstieger, the guy desapear. To be fair he´s young, but this worries me. Other than that, and when hes´on, this guy is a complete player.
@Arildonardo, Diego is a amazing talent(I watched Diego to play for the first time when he was 15yo in Brazil/Santos youths). But I don´t know if he can play with Kaka in Italy. In Brazil it´s OK, because we have the culture to play with 2 OMD without much defensive responsabilities. But in Italy, Diego(or Kaka) would have to defend, and play in a diferent position(Seedorf role), and I saw how the things turn bad for him in Porto in that position. And Diego will not accept to be a Kaka backup.
Of coure we can play with just one man up front, but IMO we lose one of the best Kaka characteristcs playing with only one foward.
A brazilian youngster that could play in Seedorf role(in the future), is Anderson(Porto), as the kid in the past played as LB, and is very strong for his body. But this would be a project for 2 or 3 years...right now, besides Diego, a brazilian mid that could fight for a starter job in Milan next year without doubt would be Lucas Leiva...Plus: the guy comes of the region in Brazil(South) where the game is more similar to SerieA(just a little more dirty :grinser: ).
Warro Bantan
21-04-2007, 23:23
I tend to agree with Brasileiro, that Diego wont want to sit on the bench for Kaka...we need a relatively "undiscovered" talent to play that role...which is why I was so disappointed we sold Foggia to get Oddo...
While Foggia is more of a winger, I am sure he could adapt into the AM role...
i think ledesma would be a good back up for kaka.
Is that the same Ledesma who came with us on an American summer tour a few years back? If it is, we were heavily linked with him for a while but he failed to impress.
I think we should get as many Brazilian players as we can, then put tonnes of sand on the San Siro pitch and play beach football. With all those samba boys in the side you know we'd win everything then :grinser:
Warro, i too agree that letting Foggia go was a mistake, he gave us something different that we didn't have in the squad. Rosina, i guess, would probably be an ideal alternative/compliment to Kaka.
Brasileiro
22-04-2007, 12:20
Is that the same Ledesma who came with us on an American summer tour a few years back? If it is, we were heavily linked with him for a while but he failed to impress.
I think we should get as many Brazilian players as we can, then put tonnes of sand on the San Siro pitch and play beach football. With all those samba boys in the side you know we'd win everything then :grinser:
Warro, i too agree that letting Foggia go was a mistake, he gave us something different that we didn't have in the squad. Rosina, i guess, would probably be an ideal alternative/compliment to Kaka.
Beach football rubbish!!! :irritate:
And they show this rubbish a lot on TV here in Brazil:mad:
:)
zlatanov
22-04-2007, 18:18
http://www.tgcom.mediaset.it/sport/articoli/articolo358773.shtml
Milan may be on the verge of signing a new attacking RB in the face of .... Marcos Cafu :D
It seems Milan are about to meet with Cafu to discuss a possible renewal of his contract given that the player has changed his mide about going back to Brazil and finishing his career there.
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Obviously, given the age difference, I would prefer Alves but if not him, keeping Cafu for one more year Oddo already here too could be a decent move, I think as there are hardly any other players, apart from Alvez, who could provide the type of quality Cafu can give us ... even at 37 yo
I can't say I agree. We shouldn't keep delaying the inevitable..we should try to get a backup RB SOONER rather than later. It doesn't have to be someone as prolific as Alvez(who is great but will probably cost a pretty penny and would be hard to persuade him to move from Sevilla who are in a good position domestically and are potentially in CL next year) but at least someone decent enough to give Oddo competition and who isn't at/near retirement.
I can't say I agree. We shouldn't keep delaying the inevitable..we should try to get a backup RB SOONER rather than later. It doesn't have to be someone as prolific as Alvez(who is great but will probably cost a pretty penny and would be hard to persuade him to move from Sevilla who are in a good position domestically and are potentially in CL next year) but at least someone decent enough to give Oddo competition and who isn't at/near retirement.
I agree more with zlatanov. Cafu has been great whenever he played recently, he just need more rest in between matches and we have Oddo here as well giving him enough rest. We don't really need some 2nd rated RB here to make up the numbers. Unless we get a really good RB else i rather we keep Cafu.
Mystik's 'delaying the inevitable' is exactly right. How many of us have slated Cafu's performances this season saying his legs have gone, he's not the same anymore and other similar lines? Most of us have. A few decent games recently doesn't hide the fact that he's no longer consistent. What's the point of having a player who can't play too often and when he does play he's inconsistent?
I like Cafu alot and i wouldn't mind if he stayed on with us as a third choice right-back who only played now and again in the league and wasn't listed for the CL next year. There are several decent right-backs out there who we could get, keeping Cafu and not progressing the squad is a backwards step.
zlatanov
23-04-2007, 06:00
Mystik's 'delaying the inevitable' is exactly right. How many of us have slated Cafu's performances this season saying his legs have gone, he's not the same anymore and other similar lines? Most of us have. A few decent games recently doesn't hide the fact that he's no longer consistent. What's the point of having a player who can't play too often and when he does play he's inconsistent?
most of this criticism came in the first part of the seasn when we didn't have Oddo and cafu was the only alternative at RB, when he was fit that is.
Now, we have Oddo and Cafu is no longer first in the pecking order but more of a good back up ... this would cut down on his injuries and will allow him to get more rest than before, when he was the only attacking RB we had and had to play twice a week.
I like Cafu alot and i wouldn't mind if he stayed on with us as a third choice right-back who only played now and again in the league and wasn't listed for the CL next year. There are several decent right-backs out there who we could get, keeping Cafu and not progressing the squad is a backwards step.
apart from Alves and maybe Miguel too, there isn't a RB out there who would be better - read would give us more quality - than even a 37 yo Cafu would when used sparingly.
Players like Reveillere, Faubert, etc, etc are good to very good players ... but that's about it ... such players we can find all over the place whenever we want in every transfer market.
Alves is more or less the only "one-of-a-kind" RB at this moment but Sevilla are believed to be willing to keep him for one more year given that they will for sure be in CL next year.
And even if they let him go, Real, Barca (both Spanish teams as he would probably prefer to stay in Spain), and even Liverpool (given his wish to go there last year and play for Rafa) are probably before Milan in this race ... not to mention that his price would hit 20-25 mil without breaking a sweat.
If not, we can always find a player like Reveillere or Faubert to replace Cafu when he is gone ... if not this year, then next year.
I personally think that Alves would stay at Sevilla for one more year so keeping Cafu would allow us to have a back up RB for this period and then try to get Alves bceause if we now go for Reveillere or some other good but not great RB, this would mean that we'll never even try for Alves.
So, all in all, "delaying the inevitable" isn't necessarily a bad thing as I am sure Galliani knows very well that Cafu can't go on forever and his career will soon come to an end ... it's obvious to anyone that resigning him isn't a long-term solution ... maybe they do have something in mind ;)
EDIT: Also, Zambrotta looks like a likely addition for next season and should he come, the RB position will be more than well covered.
ACMILAN1983
23-04-2007, 09:58
Having Cafu and Oddo for next year isn't ideal but doesn't concern me too much. Much more worrying for me is the LB position, as Serginho I doubt can be relied on too regularly, we should aim for someone better than Favalli (who may be useful in a Costacurta type role) and for me Janku isn't really a LB (especially a first team regular LB), and should be used in midfield more imo.
For me, buying a world class fullback is a must for next season, and for me I'd look for a LB more than a RB.
Solution: Zambrotta, world class RB and LB. :p017:
Despite what you say Zlat, keeping Cafu is not progression. It's just more of the old pals act and a way to save money.
If you're so certain Alves is more likely to move to a Spanish club or Liverpool ( to which i obviously wouldn't mind :D ) why shouldn't we buy another right back now? If the best one available isn't likely to join us, why do we need to keep a 38 year old right-back when there are others who are younger and better than, or at least equal to him out there?
zlatanov
23-04-2007, 12:00
Despite what you say Zlat, keeping Cafu is not progression. It's just more of the old pals act and a way to save money.
If you're so certain Alves is more likely to move to a Spanish club or Liverpool ( to which i obviously wouldn't mind :D ) why shouldn't we buy another right back now? If the best one available isn't likely to join us, why do we need to keep a 38 year old right-back when there are others who are younger and better than, or at least equal to him out there?
because only Alves would be a step ahead for Milan while all the rest would not provide anything more than what Cafu could give us, actually, they are players who would need to adjust to Italy and the team and there is nothing certain they would do that in a satisfactory fashion.
On top of that, we'd have to spend 5-8 mil more in a summer when there will likely be other purchases/expenses to be made.
All in all, unless we are talking about Alves, RB position doesn't need urgent changes with cafu+oddo already here and possibly Zambrotta on the way too ... at least not this year, provided that Cafu stays.
Once he's gone, whether we like it or not we'll have to find a new player.
Plus, I think Alves would be staying at Sevilla for one more year and a lot of things could change till then ... i do believe however that in order to beat the competition to his siggy, Milan would have to make an extra financial effort and to convince Sevilla to sell to them ... if the matter is left to Alves, I think there is only one thing to make him even consider Milan over the rest - the Brazilian contingent here ... other than that, I see Real and Barca as favourites for his services.
Solution: Zambrotta, world class RB and LB. :p017:
You can't have seen much of Zambrotta this season and he's 30. I'd rather we went for someone much younger like Daniel Alves or Riise who would be a cheaper option and have no difficulty in adapting to Serie A given his experience.
Your missing my point Zlat. Take Alves out of the equation completely because he's more than likely to end up at Madrid/Barca and now look at our rb situation.
Why do we need to wait another year when we can get a younger and equally good rb into the squad now? I know "it saves us money", but getting the defence right should be the priority.
If Faubert, Reveilliere, et al are just as good as Cafu and are younger, there should be no need to wait a further year to get them, that would just be wasting time.
I hope i made that clearer this time.
zlatanov
23-04-2007, 12:39
I like Rijse too but don't see him leaving Pool anytime soon and Pool themselves, with the new investments coming in are looking to strengthen their current team, not sell around their best players.
Alves, a lot has been said about him, but altogether Milan is, supposedly, just one of the big teams after him and his price will be 20+ mil, so this won't be an easy transfer by any means.
Zambrotta has had a rather average season this year but I think the main reason for this is not loss in quality but difficulties with adjusting to the new league and club and not in last place the WC - many players who took part in the late stages of the WC have had average seasons, especially in the first half.
True, he ain't young anymore but isn't that old either and his age would be the main reason why he wouldn't cost us a fortune - ~10 mil, I would guess.
zlatanov
23-04-2007, 12:48
Your missing my point Zlat. Take Alves out of the equation completely because he's more than likely to end up at Madrid/Barca and now look at our rb situation.
Why do we need to wait another year when we can get a younger and equally good rb into the squad now? I know "it saves us money", but getting the defence right should be the priority.
If Faubert, Reveilliere, et al are just as good as Cafu and are younger, there should be no need to wait a further year to get them, that would just be wasting time.
I hope i made that clearer this time.
I got you the first time, Jim and the answer is in my previous post ;).
one, we save money which could be spent on strengthening other much more urgent positions like CB, LB, etc.
Also, Faubert, reveillere are players you can find anytime you need a good RB ... they are good/very good players but none of them is something to cry over if we miss on them NOW because once Cafu goes, we can always go out and have at least 3-4 options just as good as reveillere or Faubert or whoever ... no URGENT need to go for them just now.
Also, maybe the management has big plans for Marzoratti, so maybe they wanna see how he develops next year and have a better idea if he would be worth pushing into the first team or we would be better off going for an outsider.
And not in the last place, Faubert and Reveillere are not better than a rested cafu - and with Oddo here, he would be rested - quite the opposite, a rested cafu at 37 is better than both of them, IMO ... not to mention that unlike cafu, neither Faubert nor Reveillere are familiar with Serie A or Milan and there is always the risk that they will not find adjustment an easy thing to do.
Obviously, if Cafu leaves and we don't have another choice but get an outsider, that player will also have to adjust to Milan and Italy, but then we will be in a situation where we don't have a choice ... now, that's not the case, at least not for next season.
Your missing my point Zlat. Take Alves out of the equation completely because he's more than likely to end up at Madrid/Barca and now look at our rb situation.
Why do we need to wait another year when we can get a younger and equally good rb into the squad now? I know "it saves us money", but getting the defence right should be the priority.
If Faubert, Reveilliere, et al are just as good as Cafu and are younger, there should be no need to wait a further year to get them, that would just be wasting time.
I hope i made that clearer this time.
The problem is whether we can get them now at a reasonable price, if we can then its not a problem at all. Unless we are certain to get a good replacement, i am hesitant to drop a good player, even if he might be old. If we dump away cafu and fail to get a decent player and instead go for a stop-gap measure then we are truely screwed. If cafu is willing to extend then let's do it while searching for his replacement, Cafu as a 3rd choice is pretty good.
Zambrotta has had an average seaspon, yes. But in his every move you can he he is top class player. He is still better than Riise, Alves, Oddo, Marek, Evra, A. Cole and so on....
We can have him for 10 mil a guess, im sure he wouldnt cost more than that. He is 30, like Oddo, and can play top football for 3 or 4 years more. It would also be good to buy Alves as he is younger, but he would cost us a small fortune, he is not EU player and cant play on both flanks as Zambrotta can. Gianluca is absolutely the best solution for Milan! I have my fingers crossed for his transfer...
Alves is versatile in a different way, he is just as comfortable playing further forward. Indeed, given a few years development, you can see him being able to play as Serginho does i.e. off of a striker or with someone like Kaka.
I thought he was an EU player?
zlatanov
23-04-2007, 16:40
Alves is versatile in a different way, he is just as comfortable playing further forward. Indeed, given a few years development, you can see him being able to play as Serginho does i.e. off of a striker or with someone like Kaka.
I thought he was an EU player?
yes, Alves is a EU player (has a Spanish passport) and I agree with Jim - one of the reasons, actually the main reason why I want Alves is because he can play all over the right flank and he can do so NOW, no need to wait a few years ;)
He can be a very tenacious yet offensive RB, can also play as a right winger and right attacking mid similarly to Giuly in Barca or mancini in Roma ... and i think he could also play in gattuso's role too given his endless running and chasing the ball.
Alves can also take great free kicks and corner kicks and this season must have scored from both open play and free kicks close to 10 goals for Sevilla in all competitions ... not many RB can boast with a record like that.
The worst thing about him - he is a class above all other RBs out there and it would be extremely difficult to get him as he attracts too much attention :grinser:
The ultimate solution for Milan would be Zambrotta+Alves but that would be quite something to pull off ... I would still be fine with getting Zambrotta and a good RB, not necessarily Alves, should cafu leave.
Bosniaco
23-04-2007, 21:35
Maybe Zaccardo? He is a avrage player maybe a good backup? What do you guys think?
I absolutely think Zaccardo would be a great addition. I've been saying all along, he's the best replacement for Cafu!! Doing this, we could have a excellent central partnership of Oddo and Nesta and obviously Janku on the other flank. For goali, I would really love it if we could get James from portsmouth but I highly doubt it. I really like Storari and I think he's good enough. In midfield, I think we're perfect (UNLESS RONALDINHO MIRACULOUSLY COMES) considering we have the most consistent midfield of any major squad the last 3-5 years. Also, how about that Ambrosini! So, just minor changes will make the difference.
Possible line-up:
--JAMES-----
ZACCARDO----ODDO----NESTA----JANKULOVSKI
GATTUSO----PIRLO----RONALDINHO
---KAKA---
GILARDINO----RONALDO
hitmannq8
24-04-2007, 01:34
With all these italian keepers around you tell me James? JAMES?!?!?!?!?!?!? ARE U SERIOUS?!?!?!?!?!?! HAVE YOU COMPLETELY LOST IT???????
I absolutely think Zaccardo would be a great addition. I've been saying all along, he's the best replacement for Cafu!! Doing this, we could have a excellent central partnership of Oddo and Nesta and obviously Janku on the other flank. For goali, I would really love it if we could get James from portsmouth but I highly doubt it. I really like Storari and I think he's good enough. In midfield, I think we're perfect (UNLESS RONALDINHO MIRACULOUSLY COMES) considering we have the most consistent midfield of any major squad the last 3-5 years. Also, how about that Ambrosini! So, just minor changes will make the difference.
Possible line-up:
--JAMES-----
ZACCARDO----ODDO----NESTA----JANKULOVSKI
GATTUSO----PIRLO----RONALDINHO
---KAKA---
GILARDINO----RONALDO
You want us to go for a 2nd rated keeper, a defender whose only contribution is an own goal during the WC. Great foresight huh..... :bri:
I think those who are doubting James this season need to take a step back and appreciate what his form has been like this season. He's been one of if not the best keeper in the Premiership this season, some of his saves have been magnificent and undoubtedly world class. He's also just broken the highest number of clean sheets in the premiership record and given that he's played alot of those games for Villa, Man City & Portsmouth (hardly the best defenders out there), it's a testament to his ability.
I think alot of people still see him as 'calamity' James, but he's made hardly any mistakes this season. He's certainly been in better form than the majority of keepers in Serie A. The guy is amazingly athletic for his age and there are few keepers that can match him for this.
The only question is would this form continue? His reliability is always suspect, but somehow he's managed to put together a fantastic season. Good for him!
please mr.berlusconi....buy sheva back,de rossi,aquilani,chivu,aleandro rossi
sell kaladze,serginho,seedorf,oliveira
Guys ( and Zlat ) ... did you read the latest news about Buffon ? :(
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/apr23h.html
If someone were to tell me that they would not survive without me, then I would stay forever, but I am sure they would remain strong even if I were to leave,” the 29-year-old told La Gazzetta dello Sport.
“I want to play the last five years of my career at the highest levels, that will make the difference in the next decisions I make. In the end, what I miss most is the chance to play in the Champions League.
“I will only discuss my future with my agent and the club’s management after we secure promotion. After we talk and agree to a decision, I will let you all know.”
The World Cup winner has been a reported transfer target for Inter, Milan and Real Madrid, although he believes that a move within Italy would be the most likely.
“I don’t see any foreign outfits who really need me. Chelsea have Petr Cech and the other clubs don’t invest much on goalkeepers,” said the former Parma man.
“Furthermore, England seems a bit sad to me and I don’t think it would be easy to adapt to life there.
“Barcelona and Real instead don’t seem to need new men and in any case I don’t think they would be willing to spend as much as Juve would ask for.
“Milan have just renewed Nelson Dida’s contract and Inter are not keen on making new signings, as Julio Cesar is doing very well.
“In any case, I believe that Italian clubs are the only ones who would be willing to invest the amount of money that Juve would want to let me leave,” concluded Buffon.
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http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/apr24f.html
Buffon sparks Milan derby and Juve set his price at £28m ( 42m Eur)
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http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/apr24g.html
And Berlusconi rules out the option of Gigi going to Milan
" “We have just renewed the contract of our Brazilian goalkeeper Nelson Dida and we believe in him,” he underlined.
“Therefore we do not need Buffon, who obviously I respect and whom I consider a great player.”
Gee, is there anything worse than Buffon to Inter ? Even if they pay 60m Eur for him i don't want him there :mad:
Dont worry, he'll come to Milan. :) Berlusconi cant say: " we dont need Dida, we made him sign the new contract just so we dont loose him for free..."
And whats about that James discussion?? The guy is old, and not reliable. Has a good season, but how can we even talk about him and Milan in the same sentence?
And Oddo-Nesta as a central defenders?? ODDO???
zlatanov
24-04-2007, 09:51
I wouldn't read too much into it Tony. There is so much time till the summer when things will come up on the surface.
Plus, if you believe everything written above, then I guess Buffon himself has pretty much eliminated all conceivable options and all he has left is staying at Juve. :D
I do think, and you know why, that it is in Juve's best interest to let Buffon go, and the player himself wants a change, but I don't think he would go to Inter for anything in the world and I don't think Juve would want to sell him to Inter as that would be considered "travesty" by the fans, given the circumstances, and the current Juve management would be knifing themselves in the backs with a move like that as they would lose any respect from their own fans ...
All in all, a player who sacrifices an entire year of his career to remain at Juve would hardly want himself going to the organization that allegedly, and obviously for many, have been the cause for all that ... just don't see it happening ... he'd rather go to ManU in England, I think.
I also wouldn't read too much into Silvio's words just yet considering that this is the final stage of the season when a CL title is at stake, he would hardly go out and say we trust Dida but if Buffon is available, Dida would have to pack his bags ... that would demoralize not only Dida but the team as well.
Also, Milan has two keepers that could solve Juve's problem with a heir to Buffon - both Dida or Abbiati could move in the opposite direction ... and also Milan could refuse Amelia in return for Buffon.
Other than ManU and Milan, I think Barca might also be intrigued by the news of Buffon being available.
In the end of the day, it's too early to tell what might happen as a lot of things will be left unsaid until the summer.
zlatanov
24-04-2007, 10:14
and the Man himself has spoken ... wisely :D :
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=23&a=40870
I wouldn't read too much into it Tony. There is so much time till the summer when things will come up on the surface.
Plus, if you believe everything written above, then I guess Buffon himself has pretty much eliminated all conceivable options and all he has left is staying at Juve. :D
Lol, yes.
We've been discussin it on juventuz and we were laughing about this also.
Roma maybe ??????? :bri:
Looks like even Gigi himself doesn't know what he wants. He seems to be waiting for the best offer
I do think, and you know why, that it is in Juve's best interest to let Buffon go, and the player himself wants a change, but I don't think he would go to Inter for anything in the world and I don't think Juve would want to sell him to Inter as that would be considered "travesty" by the fans, given the circumstances, and the current Juve management would be knifing themselves in the backs with a move like that as they would lose any respect from their own fans ...
All in all, a player who sacrifices an entire year of his career to remain at Juve would hardly want himself going to the organization that allegedly, and obviously for many, have been the cause for all that ... just don't see it happening ... he'd rather go to ManU in England, I think.
I agree that Juve's best choice is to sell him.
It would hurt a lot at the beggining but so did Zidane's transfer, so did last summer transfers and so did Sheva's transfer for Milan fans.
But clubs survive this situations and most of the time they come out stronger.
Keeping Buffon means nothing if Juve has these defenders. He may get us 5-6 points with his saves, but some other very good keeper and 2-3 extra defenders ( bought with the money Juve'll get from Buffon) may get Juve more than 15 points at the end.
I hope you're right regarding Buffon to Inter but i'm still not convinced Gigli and Secco won't make another stupidity.
And if i wasn't a fan, i wouldn't even call it a stupidity. If Inter offers much more than the others, then it's just bussiness.
Like you said already, many things will influence his transfer. Ronaldinho to Milan may give extra funds to Barca and they may go for Buffon. Milan may miss out on Dinho and give it all for Buffon and Zambrotta etc, or they can win CL and they'll be even more attractive to Gigi...not to mention 6 NT collegues.
I wouldn't rule out England also, although Gigi practically ruled it out.
ManU, Liverpool may win CL and bid high for him.
And there might be players exchange, you never know. These player offers may be the factor that will decide Gigi's destination.
There are some interesting players out there, but Dida and Abbiati aren't something Juve would like if Buffon goes to Milan ;)
And i have a feeling Berlu really ment what he said about Milan not needing Buffon.
Bloody Inter's gonna get him...you'll see :irritate:
and the Man himself has spoken ... wisely :D :
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=23&a=40870
:mad:
Now i'm even more convinced he'll go to Inter.
Everything seems to be happening oposite of what Moggi's saying lately.
zlatanov
24-04-2007, 10:36
I hope you're right regarding Buffon to Inter but i'm still not convinced Gigli and Secco won't make another stupidity.
And if i wasn't a fan, i wouldn't even call it a stupidity. If Inter offers much more than the others, then it's just bussiness.
these two are the only reason why for me there is still a small chance that Buffon might go to Inter ... to be honest, these two don't strike me to be as shrude as their predecessors ;)
Other than that, not letting buffon to Inter wouldn't be a question of stupidity as much it would be a question of principle IMO. Also, it's not like juve will lose much money, if any at all, by doing so - all realistic bids for Buffon would be in the region of 30 mil euros +/- some change.
lighten up man, Moggi knows his staff and by now the new Juve management should already know it ;) ... :D
hishamilan
24-04-2007, 11:04
is Zaccardo linked to milan .... that's too bad ... too bad.... i am hearing strange things every day and u can't know who to beleive i think galliani should make a statement clarifying all these issues
hishamilan
24-04-2007, 11:06
somebody have told me that milan are after pizzaro i think that m.zidan "who will be avilable at summer with only 3 mil." is a better alternative younger and the best striker in bundesliga during second half of this season
I see Tiago has expressed an interest in leaving Lyon and wants to join one of Milan or Juve.
I've always liked Tiago, i think he's a good player and at only 26, he could be a great purchase. He has a bit of everything about him, strength & defensive ability aswell as being able to get forward and is pretty good in the air. Almost a cross between Seedorf and Ambrosini.
I feel if we could pinch him at a reasonable price (somethin i believe would be possible given he's not been at Lyon long and isn't one of their established players) and get Barusso too (probably to replace Brocchi), our midfield platform would be looking quite healthy with a good mix of strenghth and creativity.
GilAttack [11]
24-04-2007, 23:30
Carrizo is going to be Milan's next GK.
Graeme C
25-04-2007, 02:52
After Last night i really think we need Buffon, just for confidence sake. Plus we cant let him to go Inter.
Good news, guys
Buffon Will Go To Milan, Not Inter - Moggi
Luciano Moggi has claimed that Gianluigi Buffon is on his way to the red and black half of Milan.
zoom - galleria There has been much speculation over Buffon's future, with nobody knowing where he will be come next season.
Luciano Moggi offered his insight on the subject, and in particular Juventus' transfer plans, speaking to an Italian radio station.
"Buffon will go to Milan, not Inter," he said. "They are sure that [Christian] Abbiati will return to Juve, and that Dida will go abroad."
Abbiati is currently on loan at Torino after spending last season in Turin, and it is believed that Milan will be happy to offer him along with some cash in order to seal Buffon's deal.
Livorno's young keeper Amelia has also been on Juve's radar, ever since Buffon himself admitted that he will contemplate departure.
"Juventus are a great club, founded 109 years ago, and many great champions have come and gone during those years," said Buffon," the Azzurri number one had told Gazzetta dello Sport.
"If I decide Juventus can exist without me, I will leave, else I will stay. But I am sure they would remain strong even if I were to leave.
"I want to play the last five years of my career at the highest levels, that will make the difference in the next decisions I make. In the end, what I miss most is the chance to play in the Champions League.
"I will only discuss my future with my agent and the club's management after we secure promotion. After we talk and agree to a decision, I will let you all know."
Milan and Inter both have him as one of their primary summer objectives.
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=288226
OH PLEASE ALLAH, GOD, BUDDHA, MOSES, MOHAMMED, JESUS, HARE KRISHNA, help and make this true !!
Cristiano And Kaka Behind Ronaldo Would Be Great - Galliani Milan vice-president Adriano Galliani admitted that he would love to have Cristiano Ronaldo partner Kaka at Milan.
Cristiano And Kaka Behind Ronaldo Would Be Great - Galliani
While he refused to declare one player over the other, Galliani was quick to suggest that Ronaldo could be Kaka's perfect creative ally, behind the other Ronaldo.
"Who is better, Kakà or Cristiano Ronaldo? We had to be tough to go to find a player of Kakà's calibre in Brazil," said Galliani.
"He's the top scorer in the Champions League and he has been extraordinary.
"He scored twice and has the pure class of a phenomenon.
"We wouldn't change Kakà with Ronaldo but we would definitely like to have both of them.
"However, life doesn't allow you to have everything.
"If you had Ronaldo in attack and Kakà and Cristiano behind, then you could calmly go to the cinema and without worry ask how Milan got on."
-goal.com
Berlusconni you are the best and the funniest too :grinser:
Pireloke
25-04-2007, 10:38
How does Moggi have a clue about that? does he still got a swiss SIM-card hidden somewhere?
How does Moggi have a clue about that? does he still got a swiss SIM-card hidden somewhere?
One possibillity : He knows Buffon and they are friends ( after all, it was Moggi who brought Buffon to Juventus and there were speculations he was planning to sell Buffon to Milan last year, just before Calciopoli happened). Maybe he talks to Buffon and he told him so.
Also, you can't expect a man like Moggi not to have his sources from the inside. He probably knows very well what do Juventus plan to do. One of the infamous trio ( Moggi-Giraudo-Bettega) , Roberto Bettega, is still in Juventus and is familiar with Juve transfer market plans.
Second possibillity: Like he's been doing for the last 10 months, he says everything that isn't in Inter's favour.
You know... Inter will get this ref on Sunday, Moratti will do this on Monday, Mancini will play with this team on Wednesday.
So far everything he said didn't come out to be true !
After reading Buffon would only leave Juventus for £50 million! and that the reported £28 million would only buy co-ownership ... i burst into laughter :rotfl:
I would have thought more people might have picked up on the Tiago quotes, oh well.
Yeah, here's the latest....
Juve set Buffon price Wednesday 25 April, 2007
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Juventus sporting director Alessio Secco has insisted that Gigi Buffon will not leave Turin for less than £50m.
The Bianconero was one of the first to commit to the outfit after the club’s demotion last summer, but he was recently paired with a move after he declared that he missed playing in the Champions League.
Reports in Italy suggest that both Milan clubs are in a race to sign the Italy goalkeeper, who was reportedly valued by the Bianconeri at £28m.
“Granted that Juventus do not intend to put Buffon on the market, the £28m I have read about would only be enough for a co-ownership,” said Secco to Sky on Wednesday.
“Buffon is a target for many teams, not only Roberto Mancini’s side, but £28m would never be enough.
“You want me to promise that he will not leave? I don’t make promises, it’s not in my nature,” concluded Secco.
Former director general Luciano Moggi declared on Tuesday that he was sure Buffon would move to Milan as Rossoneri goalkeeper Nelson Dida was set to move to a foreign club.
However, the Brazilian custodian did recently agree a new £2.8m per year at the San Siro, despite some high-profile errors this term.
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/apr25k.html
Bosniaco
25-04-2007, 14:27
Yeah I read that too about Buffon being 50 m, come on Juve its only a GK. I watch Carzizzo few times, he looks like a very good GK. I wouldnt mind getting him. Buffon costs way too much just like Ronaldinho.
Lol, come on guys, what did you expect ?
Of course they'll ask for £50m so they'll get around £25. It's not like anyone from Juve believes they'll really sell him for 75m Eur.
zlatanov
25-04-2007, 14:56
I would have thought more people might have picked up on the Tiago quotes, oh well.
Tiago is a fine, fine player ... ;)
As for Buffon, anything above 25-30 mil + Abbiati, if that, would be a rip off IMO.
If not, keeping Dida and getting a younger keeper like Boruc (5-8mil) or carrizo (even younger, 10-15 mil) would be better for us, IMO ...
Juve should just accept a deal of £15 million + Abbiati and think themselves lucky :mad:
:delol:
From Yahoo sports, whatever that is :D
http://sg.sports.yahoo.com/070425/1/4830a.html
Bayern Klose in on German marksman
Werder Bremen's German international striker Miroslav Klose held talks with out of form defending Bundesliga champions Bayern Munich according to local media.
The 28-year-old Polish-born marksman - leading scorer at last year's World Cup finals - apparently met with Bayern coach Ottmar Hitzfeld and general manager Uli Hoeness.
However, Bayern Munich refused to confirm the Bild report with their spokesman claiming it was mere speculation.
Nevertheless the Bavarian powerhouses have made no secret of their admiration for Klose, who was also the leading scorer in the 2005/06 domestic season.
"It is no secret that I have a lot of respect for Klose," said Hitzfeld recently.
"He is an outstanding striker and he has everything in his game to help out Bayern," added Hitzfeld, who returned to the helm after Felix Magath was sacked in January.
While Hitzfeld's return marked a slight upturn in their fortunes Bayern will still end the season without a trophy - they are nine points adrift of leaders Schalke 04 - and are in danger of missing out on the Champions League next term.
Klose, who ended a long goal drought when he scored twice earlier this month in the second leg of their UEFA Cup quarter-final with AZ Alkmaar, is under contract at Bremen till 2008, though, the board has indicated they would let him go.
He has indicated his preference would be to move abroad with AC Milan apparently interested.
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=21&a=41045
Real still after Kaka .
They are ready to offer him 10m Eur per year and they are offering Diara+Cannavaro+Robinho+30mEur for Kaka.
Barcelona may also go for the Brazilian !
Pireloke
26-04-2007, 06:14
Gilardino + Abbiati + Oliveira and no money, we need it for the dentist costs of our "maybe soon to be" number 10 :)
zlatanov
26-04-2007, 06:20
well, after his perfomance vs ManU one would expect that Real would yet again refocus their bank accounts from CR onto Kaka :rolleyes:
As for Barca, provided that Messi and Dinho stay there and Eto'o is shipped out - most likely scenario right now - I don't see where they would accomodate Kaka.
Anyways, if Real was ready to pay 80 mil euros for CR, based on the ManU-Milan game, Canna+Diarra+Robinho (3 players whose price after their Real M experience has been cut in half) +30 mil should be just about enough for a Polaroid picture with Kaka and half an autograph on the back ... and I guess we could throw in an e-mail of faked gratitude for expressing their admiration for a Milan player, saying "Thanks but no thanks".
As Galliani put it after the game - "there is no way Kaka cpuld leave Milan". But for all I care Real could go on ... maybe this whole saga will help Kaka's chances come the Golden Ball awards :diablo:
Speaking of rumours, I am liking this one much, much more though:
http://www.tgcom.mediaset.it/sport/articoli/articolo359237.shtml
:grinser:
Im quite sure there is not more than 1% chance that Kaka' will leave Milan! No way! 25 years old, the best player in the world....this is not Sheva situation and Milan will simply not sell him.
Latest news about Buffon are going in our favor and if we can make this happen we did a really good job and we have the best keeper in the world. Then we only need Zambrotta, Alex, Diarra and Ronaldinho :grinser:
Anyway, Gigi promised we will turn down any offer from Inter and as it looks right now Milan will pay around 30 mil + Abiatti to Juve. That is a fair price I think. I know Tony will be pissed off but hey....we are Milan after all :grinser:
zlatanov
26-04-2007, 07:54
Latest news about Buffon are going in our favor and if we can make this happen we did a really good job and we have the best keeper in the world. Then we only need Zambrotta, Alex, Diarra and Ronaldinho :grinser:
just those?! Why did you leave out Alves, Keita/Mancini, Huntelaar and Henry/Eto'o :hammer: :grinser:
Ahh.we dont need ALL of them, just few :)
Graeme C
26-04-2007, 08:06
yeah rumours ive heard today its £25 mil + abbiati, and then Dida will go to Barca in exchange( or part exchange) for Zambrotta.
hishamilan
26-04-2007, 08:39
zlat and others do you know the amount of the cl prizes ? in order we could get to a reasonable transfers budget and limit our dreams " or unleash them "
zlatanov
26-04-2007, 08:49
zlat and others do you know the amount of the cl prizes ? in order we could get to a reasonable transfers budget and limit our dreams " or unleash them "
the winner and runner up, and even the semi-finalists get a whole fortune ... and the money that comes from UEFA is just a portion of all the revenues these clubs will get as result of making it so far in the tournament.
I think the winner will get from Uefa somewhere between 30-40 mil altogether but there was an article some time ago which argued that winning the CL would bring to a club close to 100-150 mil (money comming from UEFA, ticket sales, TV rights, commercials, etc, etc) maybe even more ... not sure what that figure was exactly.
We shoudln't forget however that clubs of Milan's caliber have HUGE expenses too, the majority of which fall onto salaries for their players (I think for Milan at some point that figure was 90+ mil per season or something in the vicinity)
hishamilan
26-04-2007, 08:52
guys! just a thought how about dario srna as a RB backup he is 24 powerful good in crosses and score fabulous freecicks his team will allow him for a 2-4 mil. to go and the presence of simic also will be tempting for him :str: :str:
do you all know that celtics were after kalac after 2002 i think we could use him in a part-exchange deal to get boruc :5ok:
hishamilan
26-04-2007, 08:59
the winner and runner up, and even the semi-finalists get a whole fortune ... and the money that comes from UEFA is just a portion of all the revenues these clubs will get as result of making it so far in the tournament.
I think the winner will get from Uefa somewhere between 30-40 mil altogether but there was an article some time ago which argued that winning the CL would bring to a club close to 100-150 mil (money comming from UEFA, ticket sales, TV rights, commercials, etc, etc) maybe even more ... not sure what that figure was exactly.
We shoudln't forget however that clubs of Milan's caliber have HUGE expenses too, the majority of which fall onto salaries for their players (I think for Milan at some point that figure was 90+ mil per season or something in the vicinity)
thank you man i think we must not then dream of above 50 mil. as a budget which should be a ratio of < 30 mil. super signings : 20 mil. subs > :5ok:
_MaJi_tz
26-04-2007, 09:11
yeah rumours ive heard today its £25 mil + abbiati, and then Dida will go to Barca in exchange( or part exchange) for Zambrotta.
That would be perfect :5ok:
zlatanov
26-04-2007, 09:17
guys! just a thought how about dario srna as a RB backup he is 24 powerful good in crosses and score fabulous freecicks his team will allow him for a 2-4 mil. to go and the presence of simic also will be tempting for him :str: :str:
do you all know that celtics were after kalac after 2002 i think we could use him in a part-exchange deal to get boruc :5ok:
Srna was on Milan's and some other big european team's radar when he was still playing in Haijduk but kind of fell off of it after his move to Shakter.
He is a bit like Zambrotta, I believe - can play both as RB and LB and also in mdifeld, on the wings.
Excellent from free kicks and Pks too - I think he is the regular free and Penalty kick taker in the Croatian NT
A pretty good and young player with lots of experience and I think he could indeed be a good option to Zambrotta ... although it seems to me Milan is already sold on the Italian.
Also, Srna is a non-EU player and that would be a big minus going against him ... at least that would be the case until 2009 when Croatia is likely to become a EU member.
zlatanov
26-04-2007, 09:18
That would be perfect :5ok:
Can't agree here - this would be a good deal at best, perfect would be if we could get Buffon for free :grinser:
Silly season has started.....
Buffon to join Milan? Thursday 26 April, 2007
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Reports in Italy suggest that Juventus goalkeeper Gianluigi Buffon will join Milan in the summer, with Christian Abbiati heading the other way.
The world champion has kept his promise of helping the club return to Serie A after last summer’s Calciopoli demotion, but is now ready to move on to pastures new.
According to Il Corriere dello Sport, Buffon has finalised a pact with the Old Lady and has agreed to turn down any offer from Inter, in order to avoid problems with the supporters.
Buffon’s likely destination therefore becomes Milan, who are reportedly ready to offer Juventus £25m plus Christian Abbiati, who is currently on loan with Torino.
Sporting director Alessio Secco reiterated on Wednesday that Buffon is not for sale, but refused to make any promises, fuelling speculation that a summer move is indeed on the cards.
In the meantime, the Bianconeri are looking for possible alternatives and have eyed Celtic goalkeeper Artur Boruc.
The Polish No 1, who was also linked with a move to Milan, is contracted to the Bhoys until 2009. He impressed this term with some stunning displays in the Champions League.
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/apr26e.html
I think we should go for Kanoute
yeah rumours ive heard today its £25 mil + abbiati, and then Dida will go to Barca in exchange( or part exchange) for Zambrotta.
WOW... how cool would this be?
buffon
oddo - nesta (kala-simic) -- maldini (bonera)---zambrotta (janku)
& what a great environment for bonera to learn...
Pireloke
26-04-2007, 10:12
The whole downside of this, if it's even true to begin with, is that it will dent Nelson Dida's confidence even further and could make him even more shaky vs. United at home. I's wish they start silly season when the final match of the season is played, not a second before... but newspapers have to sell so these days you can even read in Spanish press that Ronaldinho has an affair with Rijkaard's daughter and the kid asked him to stay in Barcelona lol. in French they say : "N'importe quoi..."
Metalliam
26-04-2007, 10:31
Kanoute? Oh God no...
We need someone with pace to play alongside Ronaldo, someone in the Sheva mold. Hopefully we can lure Eto'o to the San Siro.
I read a rumour on tribalfootball.com (I know, disreputable site) that Juventus are going to make a bid for Gilardino...please do! The link should still be on www.newsnow.co.uk (go to the left and select "AC Milan" under the "Football" drop down box - you have to scroll right to the bottom...it's a great site for news, it gathers it all for you ;)
Send us Buffon, we'll send Gila back your way!
hishamilan
26-04-2007, 10:45
we can't even pay those 25mil. for buffon if we are to get super subs in midfeild and attack in addition to maldini's replacement"fortune itself" or what ?
gila+abbaiti+my wife+15 mil for buffon....
Metalliam
26-04-2007, 10:49
If they want a player, I am of the belief that they can get them...not the same as Abramovich, but the money men are some of the richest in Europe for Milan, yes?
Pireloke
26-04-2007, 11:09
gila+abbaiti+my wife+15 mil for buffon....
Did your wife pass the medical tests? /jk lol couldn't resist!
Im quite sure there is not more than 1% chance that Kaka' will leave Milan! No way! 25 years old, the best player in the world....this is not Sheva situation and Milan will simply not sell him.
Anyway, Gigi promised we will turn down any offer from Inter and as it looks right now Milan will pay around 30 mil + Abiatti to Juve. That is a fair price I think. I know Tony will be pissed off but hey....we are Milan after all :grinser:
I wouldn't be so sure about Kaka, Marko.
I'll wait to see what will Milan do in CL, but if you fail again, then it opens few more possibilities.
1. 3 years losing on every single front is too much for a champion like Kaka.
2. 10m Eur per year Real would offer is 100% more than what he gets at Milan.
3. The 3 players +30m for Kaka is even more than fair. Diarra and Robinho both cost 15m minimum ( 30 m for both of them), while Canna's fair price is at least 5m.
It makes 65m Eur total which is very close to what Real payed for Zidane at the time when the transfer market went crazy.
These 65m are equal to 100m in 2001 !
4. If Kaka wants money ( and like every normal Brasilian player in Europe , he does love money) then he may do all sorts of problems just to make Berlu let him go.
5. Him signing new contract with Milan last summer means nothing ( if we say that Dida's new contract means nothing).
Regarding Buffon, you don't have to say sorry for him not going to Inter. If it's true than it's the best news possibile.
As for Milan ..... Juve's looking for new keeper elsewhere if all these reports connecting Juve to Boruc are true. So maybe Abbiati won't be included in this deal. And even if he is, 30m + Abbiati is pretty good.
35m Euro ,and no player included, for a player who wants to leave is still very solid. 40m ( forthy) would be fantasy and i still think Juve may get these money from someone if few more clubs show interest.
Buffon is already a legend in Juve, and that's what will hurt the club and the fans if he leaves. Losing him as a legend hurts, while losing him as in losing the best goalkeeper won't hurt much, imo, because there are at least 5 goalkeepers outthere who'll cost 4-5 times less than Gigi, and will provide at least 70% of the stability he's giving to Juve.
It can't be compared to losing the best defender in the world, or the best midfielder in the world or losing a goal machine that provides 25-35 goals per season.
These 30 or 35, or maybe even 40m Juve'll get may bring Ribery+CD+another very good player.
As much as i love Buffon, in this situation Juve's in, i think Ribery and 2 more very good players will give much more than what Buffon can give to Juve !
At the end, regarding the bolded part of your post....what do you mean by "WE" ?
Does WE goes for Juve ? :zany:
I posted last week that the winners of the CL can expect about £30 million from winning the competition.
Rumours of Dida leaving have been circling around throughout the entire season, so i don't understand why it would make much of a difference now as opposed to earlier in the year/last year.
Whatever happens, i would just hope that Berlusconi deals with Buffon/Ronaldinho and the club sorts out the other players (for me that would be Zambrotta, Alex, Tiago, Barusso, Lucas, Henry/Huntelaar (whichever is cheaper))
Jamie, that's almost identical to my shopping list. I would want Buffon, however, but not Ronaldinho. The only thing I would add is a back up for Kaka, as he is overplayed and we lack another attacking midfielder that can take his role. I'd take Rosina or Anderson in that role. I'm also not too sure about Henry/Huntelaar, but I'm also not too confident in taking a risk on Quagliarella or Bianchi or any other current young promising Italian strikers. They could be overpriced and underachievers on the big stage.
guys! just a thought how about dario srna as a RB backup
If i hear you again talking about Srna and backup RB in the same context then i'll put you in my ignore list :mad:
:grinser:
Ah, Darijo Srna
Yes, i'm most probably subjective but i really concider him to be one of the best 5 players in the world covering the right side of the field.
He's not a Right Back. He's playing on that position in Shaktar but he's the best as a RM.
He has incredibille technique. Dribblings, pace, and especially free kicks and crossings are his main weapon.
Liverpool and all the other giants ( but Liverpool most of them all) were trying to get him, but that crazy millionaire owner of Shaktar offered him a contract that not even Ronaldinho could refuse.
I think he's the best payed RB in the world ( or among the 3 best payed). That's the only reason why he's still in Ukraine.
Here you can see videos of Srna ( Srna in Croatian means Roe deer, the baby of the deer, Bamby :) ) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeyklwamQd0 ( his free kick goals and his crossings)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYA6C1zx8D4 ( here you can see the real Darijo Srna. The position where he plays the best. All these things you'll see happened in the second half of the last EC qulifying match for Croatia. Srna is the one who always makes the difference on Croatian NT matches and he did it again on this match.
Oh, Srna is the one who has the ball at his feet all the time :). Number 11 )
Dr Milano
26-04-2007, 12:32
in the summer i would like to see !!!
1.Gigi Buffon
2.Gianluca Zambrotta
3.And Some striker !!! or strikers !! huntelaar or Cassano
---------------------- Buffon --------------------
--- Oddo ----- Nesta ------ Bonera --- Zambrotta
---------------------- Pirlo ----------------------
---------- Gattuso --------- Seedorf ------------
---------------------- Kaka ---------------------
--------- Ronaldo ------------ Huntelaar --------
Out !!
1.Marco Borrielo
2.Nelson Dida - he s most likely to leave if buffon does arrive !!
3.Cafu - should return home ..
and a couple others !!! fiori etc too many goalies in our squad
Sorry if it was already posted :
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=21&a=41076
Dinho's agent will meet with Laporta to discuss the renewal of Dinho's contract and reports from Spain say Ronaldinho will probably extend his contract until 2014.
If by any chance something goes wrong and they don't reach a deal, then he will almost certanly go to Milan.
The last time Dinho spoke about staying or leaving Barcelona ( December 22), he declared : "Everything indicates that i will continue in Barcelona"
zlatanov
26-04-2007, 14:17
phew, that was close :w221: :grinser:
phew, that was close :w221: :grinser:
Explain :rolleyes:
zlatanov
26-04-2007, 14:32
Milan almost made the mistake of getting Dinho :rolleyes: ... :D
Milan almost made the mistake of getting Dinho :rolleyes: ... :D
Ahaaaaaaa
I thought you were talking about the way i translated the article :haha:
Edit : And if Milan won't sign Dinho, i guess Berlu's money can be spent elsewhere.
Hmm, this changes everything now.
Buffon's new price is 60m Eur :bri:
zlatanov
26-04-2007, 14:37
Ahaaaaaaa
I thought you were talking about the way i translated the article :haha:
Edit : And if Milan won't sign Dinho, i guess Berlu's money can be spent elsewhere.
Hmm, this changes everything now.
Buffon's new price is 60m Eur :bri:
well, I didn't wanna mention it but since you did - the translation sucks too :zany: :grinser:
even newer price: Buffon stays at Juve and Juve watch CL on TV 2-3 years in a row :diablo:
Actually Tony we WON the scudetto in Kaka's rookie year
Bosniaco
26-04-2007, 14:54
I like the fact that Buffon does not want to go to the Interisti. I would like Dinho to extent his Contract and stay with Barca in that case Eto will leave, and I hope Milan will get him.
even newer price: Buffon stays at Juve and Juve watch CL on TV 2-3 years in a row :diablo:
This will happen anyway ;)
We watched it for one year, we'll watch it the next year and chances for Juve winning the 4th place next year are still 50-50 , so Buffon or no Buffon, what you said is nothing new. 2 years without CL is certain thing while 3 years without CL is a big possibility !
But i'm serious when i say that others will try to rip off Milan if Dinho won't come. Everybody knows you still have the money from Sheva, everybody heard Berlu saying he has 100m for Dinho.
Teams will try to play hard with Milan.
And regarding Gigi...Milan as a rival team with a lot of money will be asked to pay more than, lets say, ManU if they want to get Buffon.
I believe Secco and co. know Berlu will try to compensate the loss of Dinho ( again, if Dinho stays at Barca) by getting another star.
If Berlu, like every stubborn billionaire who is used to getting what he wants, thinks that star should be Buffon, then i'll try to get as much more possibile ;)
That's why my beloved mate Zlatanov, don't be suprised if you see an article somewhere in July saying " Milan signed Buffon for 42m Eur" ........ ( ..... and Juve bought top class trio with these money, like in 1995 with Roberto Baggio)
:zany:
:uhm:
Actually Tony we WON the scudetto in Kaka's rookie year
Where did i say you didn't ? :)
I said that if Milan won't win CL this year then Kaka will be without a trophy for 3 consecutive years !
If i hear you again talking about Srna and backup RB in the same context then i'll put you in my ignore list :mad:
:grinser:
Ah, Darijo Srna
Yes, i'm most probably subjective but i really concider him to be one of the best 5 players in the world covering the right side of the field.
He's not a Right Back. He's playing on that position in Shaktar but he's the best as a RM.
He has incredibille technique. Dribblings, pace, and especially free kicks and crossings are his main weapon.
Liverpool and all the other giants ( but Liverpool most of them all) were trying to get him, but that crazy millionaire owner of Shaktar offered him a contract that not even Ronaldinho could refuse.
I think he's the best payed RB in the world ( or among the 3 best payed). That's the only reason why he's still in Ukraine.
Here you can see videos of Srna ( Srna in Croatian means Roe deer, the baby of the deer, Bamby :) ) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeyklwamQd0 ( his free kick goals and his crossings)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYA6C1zx8D4 ( here you can see the real Darijo Srna. The position where he plays the best. All these things you'll see happened in the second half of the last EC qulifying match for Croatia. Srna is the one who always makes the difference on Croatian NT matches and he did it again on this match.
Oh, Srna is the one who has the ball at his feet all the time :). Number 11 )
is that why he started last NT game on the bench? :D :D
zlatanov
26-04-2007, 15:08
This will happen anyway ;)
We watched it for one year, we'll watch it the next year and chances for Juve winning the 4th place next year are still 50-50 , so Buffon or no Buffon, what you said is nothing new. 2 years without CL is certain thing while 3 years without CL is a big possibility !
But i'm serious when i say that others will try to rip off Milan if Dinho won't come. Everybody knows you still have the money from Sheva, everybody heard Berlu saying he has 100m for Dinho.
Teams will try to play hard with Milan.
And regarding Gigi...Milan as a rival team with a lot of money will be asked to pay more than, lets say, ManU if they want to get Buffon.
I believe Secco and co. know Berlu will try to compensate the loss of Dinho ( again, if Dinho stays at Barca) by getting another star.
If Berlu, like every stubborn billionaire who is used to getting what he wants, thinks that star should be Buffon, then i'll try to get as much more possibile ;)
That's why my beloved mate Zlatanov, don't be suprised if you see an article somewhere in July saying " Milan signed Buffon for 42m Eur" ........ ( ..... and Juve bought top class trio with these money, like in 1995 with Roberto Baggio)
:zany:
:uhm:
dream on Tony, dream on ... with Dida having extended his contract and several good and cheap(-er) young options out there, getting Buffon for Milan is like putting a cherry on an already delicious cake, not an act of desperation :zany: :diablo:
Plus, let's not get carried away and forget that Milan has been very frugal over the years and the years when they overpaid 4-5 times the realistic price of a player are long gone ;)
regarding Juve's CL endeavors, I meant 2-3 years after their Serie A promotion, which now is sure thing - Juve need 2 excellent defenders, 2-3 reat midfielders, and at least 1 striker if Trez stays just to make it to CL and leave a more memorable trace there than going out in the group stages.
The reason why I say this, apart from the obvious need of new defenders and a forward, is that the two players who have been carrying Juve on their backs, apart from Buffon, are Nedved (37 yo next season) and Del Piero (~35 next year).
Unless Juve start thinking about substitutes of these player this summer, they may very well find themselves in the position of struggling to even make it to CL qualifying places in Serie A with Milan, Inter, Roma well ahead already and Lazio, Fiorentina and Palermo having pretty strong squads too.
All in all, Juve needs to either spend big or risk with promising players who although cheaper may end up not meeting the expectations ... also, should Juve make it to CL, it would be better for them to have an already experienced squad with players who have played together for a year, otherwise CL could turn out to be more dif than expected.
is that why he started last NT game on the bench? :D :D
Lol, NO, it was a tactical decission. Everybody in Croatia conciders him as our best player ( ok, some will say it's Modric who's the best, but don't listen to them).
He's a starter always and he's the leading force of this team.
Dunno why Bilic decided to keep him on the bench against Macedonia. But he saw his mistake at halftime, and now i don't think he'll ever start a match without him. I even think he'll play him even if he has a broken leg :grinser:
hishamilan
26-04-2007, 15:29
GOOD NEWS: fcporto i heard are in large debt problem and they will be willing to sell some stars < do lucho gonzales and quaresma ring any bells ? >
Zlat, Nedved is 34 while Del Piero is 32 ( it means Nedved will be 35 next year and Del Piero 33).
But it's true they are the leading force. Nedved is still running more than anyone in the world, apart from Rino :) , and he's Juventus best player but at this age he can stop being useful anyday now.
They will have to be replaced, but no, i don't think it will happen this summer. Nedved may be replaced next summer , while DP will never really be replaced, but we can start thinking about his replacement in 2-3 years.
About the attack for next year... if Trez stays then Juve has no problem there. Palladino is widely concidered to be the next big thing in Italy. He has class, he scores a lot and eventhough he's still a big risk, i think Juve will concider him to be their 3rd choice striker, while Trez and DP will be the starters.
So, what Juve needs this year is a 4th choice attacker because it looks like Bojinov won't be bought and Zalayeta will leave.
Midfield : If Camoranesi stays (like he's saying lately) then the right side is more than OK with him Marchionni and even Salihamidzic. Nedved will still be the LM and i'm 100% sure he's still better than any other LM in Italy and he will be priceless to Juve the next year. What Juve needs is someone who can replace him if he's injured and it will be even better if the someone can play as a CM also ( Ribery comes to mind).
Now, the MC and DMC is the real problem. Zanetti is ok for a back up but Juve needs more than Zanetti.
The talks with Frings are on and although i don't rate him high i still think he's better than all the other DMC's apart from those in Milan, Roma and Inter. So, the 4th best DMC for the fourth placed team.
2 CD's are what Juve desperately needs. The full backs are pretty good, both Grygera and Chiellini, but Juve must get 2 CD's !
Sumirizing : 2 CD's ( of top quality who won't have to be replaced when Juve'll finally get to CL) , 1 DMC , 1 extra class midfielder ( Ribery..... or my "less than 0.1% chance to happen" dream- Gerrard) and 1 fourth choice attacker is what's needed for now.
Looks like Juve has smthg between 40-50m Eur for the transfer market. These money may be enough to make a team called "the strongest candidate for the 4th place".
Juve needs a base . If the defence is set for the next 5 years and if a great midfielder is bought then all Juve will have to do is to add 2 more great players per year, in the next 3 years, to be the good old one again.
Just what Secco and Cobolli Gigli said : In 2010 Juve will be as strong as they were last year.
zlatanov
26-04-2007, 16:08
Zlat, Nedved is 34 while Del Piero is 32 ( it means Nedved will be 35 next year and Del Piero 33).
But it's true they are the leading force. Nedved is still running more than anyone in the world, apart from Rino :) , and he's Juventus best player but at this age he can stop being useful anyday now.
They will have to be replaced, but no, i don't think it will happen this summer. Nedved may be replaced next summer , while DP will never really be replaced, but we can start thinking about his replacement in 2-3 years.
oops, my bad about their age - I meant that more as how old they would be for the 2008/2009 season when juve would have to play Cl, presumably.
I really don't see them that season giving the contribution they currently provide to the squad ... which IMO would turn into a big problem for Juve if they start looking for substitutes only in the last moment.
I guess i'm about to envoke the wrath of alot of people now but i didn't think much of Srna in the games i've seen him play. Though i must admit i've not seen alot of him recently, maybe he's improved a great deal.
Though i think i'm just jinxed, every game of Alex's i've seen has been average/poor too.
Glad someone agrees with me Vadim :5ok:
zlatanov
26-04-2007, 16:41
no one agrees with you, Jim ... Vadim was just being nice to you :grinser:
pfff ... i don't care if that's true or not ... i don't need any of you lot :stuckup:
:rotfl:
anyway, you better be nice to me or i'll change my signature! :grinser:
It's totally off topic but there's no chance i'll open a new topic or look for Moggipoli topic
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=6&a=41086
Guess who said he's pleased Inter won the scudetto ?
Yes, you guessed it right - Mr. Guido Rossiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
eh, since nobody answers my plea on multimedia subforum, i have to post it here :D
does anybody have the video of Sebastiano Rossi punching a player after he scored a penalty against him? Anyone remembers which player was it? Thanks :)
BTW, Jim, join the club :D Alex is overrated, isnt he?
kastriot
27-04-2007, 03:24
It's totally off topic but there's no chance i'll open a new topic or look for Moggipoli topic
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=6&a=41086
Guess who said he's pleased Inter won the scudetto ?
Yes, you guessed it right - Mr. Guido Rossiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
sooo predictable...
eh, since nobody answers my plea on multimedia subforum, i have to post it here :D
does anybody have the video of Sebastiano Rossi punching a player after he scored a penalty against him? Anyone remembers which player was it? Thanks :)
BTW, Jim, join the club :D Alex is overrated, isnt he?
It was a clothesline actually. It was Bucchi of Perugia in the midseason game @ San Siro.
I think it was nakata who scored, but bucchi went to get ball though.
ACMILAN1983
27-04-2007, 06:38
There's someone who has caught my eye over the last year or two who I think would be interesting for a long term prospect, Jeremy Mathieu.
He's a young (23) French Left Back who I would suspect to be the one to replace Eric Abidal in the national side. Previously he played for Sochaux, and now Toulouse, and has been one of the players driving the side towards European football next season.
Physically, he's very impressive. A strong athletic build, very tall (6ft2), but also surprisingly fast, and technically impressive. He is also pretty versatile, as he can play in midfield as well as LB.
The bad new...Roma are very close to signing him if the press are to be believed.
I could only find this one goal scored by him on youtube, but a good goal...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03B4yTqArxI
Pireloke
27-04-2007, 06:48
It's totally off topic but there's no chance i'll open a new topic or look for Moggipoli topic
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=6&a=41086
Guess who said he's pleased Inter won the scudetto ?
Yes, you guessed it right - Mr. Guido Rossiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
His bank account is even more pleased.
zlatanov
27-04-2007, 07:37
Sorry if it was already posted :
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=21&a=41076
Dinho's agent will meet with Laporta to discuss the renewal of Dinho's contract and reports from Spain say Ronaldinho will probably extend his contract until 2014.
If by any chance something goes wrong and they don't reach a deal, then he will almost certanly go to Milan.
The last time Dinho spoke about staying or leaving Barcelona ( December 22), he declared : "Everything indicates that i will continue in Barcelona"
liar ... :mad:
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/apr27h.html
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=21&a=41167
zlatanov
27-04-2007, 07:51
There's someone who has caught my eye over the last year or two who I think would be interesting for a long term prospect, Jeremy Mathieu.
He's a young (23) French Left Back who I would suspect to be the one to replace Eric Abidal in the national side. Previously he played for Sochaux, and now Toulouse, and has been one of the players driving the side towards European football next season.
Physically, he's very impressive. A strong athletic build, very tall (6ft2), but also surprisingly fast, and technically impressive. He is also pretty versatile, as he can play in midfield as well as LB.
The bad new...Roma are very close to signing him if the press are to be believed.
I could only find this one goal scored by him on youtube, but a good goal...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03B4yTqArxI
he is indeed a good player, Dev, one of the rising stars of French football ... along with all the new Zidane-wanna-bes :D
As you said Roma have been after him for a while now but I think the latest I read was that the deal was hitting some snags, not completely sure though.
Also Lyon are after him given that Abidal is all but Barca-bound.
An interesting Alternative to someone like Zambrotta .. or Srna, who would be great as a back-up player :D
liar ... :mad:
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/apr27h.html
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=21&a=41167
No , i'm not a liar but i forgot to mention that Barcelona-Dinho's agent talks will take place after 15 days and these talks were scheduled few days ago ( after the "meeting in Sao Paolo" ).
So, were there meetings in Brasil ( it's AS , Madrid based newspaper who claims there were) we don't know.
I think all parties did meet and talked about a transfer but nothing came out of it.
That's why yesterday Ronaldinho :
"However, the Selecao star cooled all transfer talks on Thursday, declaring that he did not believe he would move in the summer.
zlatanov
27-04-2007, 08:02
No , i'm not a liar but i forgot to mention that Barcelona-Dinho's agent talks will take place after 15 days and these talks were scheduled few days ago ( after the "meeting in Sao Paolo" ).
So, were there meetings in Brasil ( it's AS , Madrid based newspaper who claims there were) we don't know.
I think all parties did meet and talked about a transfer but nothing came out of it.
That's why yesterday Ronaldinho :
"However, the Selecao star cooled all transfer talks on Thursday, declaring that he did not believe he would move in the summer.
once again, a nice attempt to stretch the truth ... but I ain't buying it, buddy :grinser:
or Srna, who would be great as a back-up player :D
How do you put someone on your ignore list ?
Aha, i got it now !
Edit : Why there are only 35 pages in this topic now ?
There were 160 pages, 1 minute ago, before i put Zlat on Ignore !
:devf:
zlatanov
27-04-2007, 08:17
again misrepresenting the truth - I have posted at most 1/4 of all the BS in this thread :D
ACMILAN1983
27-04-2007, 08:22
he is indeed a good player, Dev, one of the rising stars of French football ... along with all the new Zidane-wanna-bes :D
As you said Roma have been after him for a while now but I think the latest I read was that the deal was hitting some snags, not completely sure though.
Also Lyon are after him given that Abidal is all but Barca-bound.
An interesting Alternative to someone like Zambrotta .. or Srna, who would be great as a back-up player :D
Nasri along with Gourcuff seems to be in the lead for that "Zidane wannabe" title :D . I think Ribery has been identified as too different to count anymore ;)
I'd like the thought of us looking to get Mathieu, I honestly think he'll be a lot better than Abidal (who I don't rate too highly) once he plays for a while at the highest level, though for now I'd be happy to have the option on him but letting him develop a little more elsewhere.
Actually, I expect that in 2-3 years time, should he develop as expected he will certainly be world class (note, should we get Zambrotta in the summer, Mathieu would be an ideal replacement when he's reaching 33-34).
Now the last time I got a feeling like this about a fullback was Daniel Alves, back when I joined in 2004 and created a thread where almost no one knew who I was on about. I would like to see if my feeling works out to be as successful this time :D .
YIPPEEEEEEEEE DIDA IS GONE FOR 75€
Angry Milan Fan Tries To Auction Dida On E-Bay
An angry Rossoneri supporter had enough with Nélson Dida’s CL-compromising fluff at Old Trafford and has tried to strike a blow for frustrated fans everywhere by selling the keeper in an internet auction…
zoom - galleria
The 33 year-old, who joined Milan in 2000, may have been a hero after the prodigal penalty defusing performance against Juventus in the 2003 Champions League final but his popularity has nosedived after a few high-profile gaffes.
Dida had previously caused the Rossoneri faithful to pull clumps of hair out at the roots and grind down teeth in fury soon after arriving. A stint at Corinthians revitalised the player who returned to claim the number 1 jersey but now seems to be the object of few fans’ desire.
He was slammed in the wake of last week's 3-2 first leg CL semi defeat at Old Trafford, when he tipped a Cristiano Ronaldo header into his own net and then left his near post naked for Wayne Rooney to hammer home the winner.
It would seem, however, that it’s not just the Rossoneri who aren’t exactly head-over-heels with the goalie. Dida, before being removed by embarrassed site overseers, failed to attract much interest on eBay. The price reached a peak of….71 Euros after 25 bids.
APM
http://www.goal.com/en/articolo.aspx?contenutoid=290050
Pireloke
27-04-2007, 09:55
I wonder how much Gilardino would sell for... 0,99 € ?
Just imagine if that fan had got away with that, that would have been awesome! haha
Yes, i'll give you 'Dida' when you give me 75 euros! What a great way to make money :rotfl:
Torino president in AC Milan talks over loan trio (http://www.tribalfootball.com/article.php?id=37404)
Torino president Urbano Cairo has approached AC Milan about three of their players for next season.
Cairo is keen to strengthen his squad with the loans of midfield pair Yoann Gourcuff and Cristian Brocchi, plus defender Dario Simic.
The Torino supremo also must decide if he will take up the option to sign permanently on-loan Milan keeper Christian Abbiati.
Metalliam
27-04-2007, 13:05
http://www.sportingo.com/football/ronaldo-alongside-samuel-etoo-it-could-happen-if-ac-milan-splash-out/1001,3215
Hints towards Samuel Eto'o joining Milan, along with Gianluca Zambrotta, Gigi Buffon, Andrea Barzagli and David Trezeguet. Dida and Gilardino go out the door. NO SOLID PROOF, of course, but interesting to read.
How great would this be? We'd probably save $35m against what we'd of paid for Ronaldinho alone, and we'd have great depth up front. It is doubtful Trezeguet would come here to sit on the bench, so perhaps that's a little silly. Would be nice to have Ronaldo, Eto'o and Kaka' to rely on going forward.
As for Brocchi, please send him on loan! Gourcuff could do with the experience, he hasn't looked impressive to me.
zlatanov
27-04-2007, 13:17
http://www.sportingo.com/football/ronaldo-alongside-samuel-etoo-it-could-happen-if-ac-milan-splash-out/1001,3215
Hints towards Samuel Eto'o joining Milan, along with Gianluca Zambrotta, Gigi Buffon, Andrea Barzagli and David Trezeguet. Dida and Gilardino go out the door. NO SOLID PROOF, of course, but interesting to read.
How great would this be? We'd probably save $35m against what we'd of paid for Ronaldinho alone, and we'd have great depth up front. It is doubtful Trezeguet would come here to sit on the bench, so perhaps that's a little silly. Would be nice to have Ronaldo, Eto'o and Kaka' to rely on going forward.
As for Brocchi, please send him on loan! Gourcuff could do with the experience, he hasn't looked impressive to me.
no solid proof is an understatement, me thinks ... correct if I am wrong, but aren't these the gibberish of a football fan who only shares what HE would like to see Milan do for next season?
I guess it's not even one of those good old speculative and 100% fact-less rumours we read everyday in the papers :D
Torino president in AC Milan talks over loan trio (http://www.tribalfootball.com/article.php?id=37404)
Torino president Urbano Cairo has approached AC Milan about three of their players for next season.
Cairo is keen to strengthen his squad with the loans of midfield pair Yoann Gourcuff and Cristian Brocchi, plus defender Dario Simic.
The Torino supremo also must decide if he will take up the option to sign permanently on-loan Milan keeper Christian Abbiati.
Tribalfootball rumour
Don't read this site. Seriously :)
Gourcuff hasn't looked that impressive? To each their own i guess, but there's no way i'd loan him out, he needs to be part of our plans. Strike that, the only way i'd loan him out is if we suddenly ended up with Deco, Rosicky & Essien to go alongside Ambrosini, Gattuso, Pirlo & Seedorf ... meaning no room at the inn for Yoann. As this is 100% unlikely to happen, i think we need to keep him.
Brocchi has done well in some games, i like the effort he puts in but i would let him go to Torino permenantly. The same with Simic. Let them both go. Free up the spaces for Alex and probably Barusso.
Metalliam
27-04-2007, 19:18
Zlatanov,
All you can do is hope Silvio reads it and says "That's not a bad idea!"
Tribalfootball rumour
Don't read this site. Seriously :)
I know, I know, but its news about Milan. :rolleyes:
IvanGattuso
28-04-2007, 05:38
Buffon: It's all lies!
Saturday 28 April, 2007
Gianluigi Buffon has blasted the speculation over his future. “I may stay, I might go, but nobody knows what I have decided – not even me.”
The Juventus goalkeeper has hinted several times that he is reconsidering his position and reports in the media have pictured him as either already wearing the Milan or Inter jersey.
“Everything I hear has been totally invented, because I have not spoken to anyone about my future,” snapped the World Cup winner on Sky Italia television.
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/apr28e.html
I think Toni has just signed for Bayern in a deal worth 18 million euros !! ( not confirmed yet)
Pireloke
28-04-2007, 10:34
I think Toni has just signed for Bayern in a deal worth 18 million euros !! ( not confirmed yet)
Would be good news, that means Inter didn't get him.
Would be good news, that means Inter didn't get him.
...Or Juve :)
But it's bad for Fiorentina cause i don't think they can replace him and without him i don't see them as 4th place contenders next year.
That's good for Roma and Juve also !
zlatanov
28-04-2007, 11:09
Toni for 18 mil is not such a bad deal, so if Trez leaves he could have been a good option for Juve.
Feel for the guy thoug, if he is indeed Bayern-bound, he would be going to Munchen in one of the few seasons that team hasn't managed to qualify for CL.
And this is a real threat for Bayern with 3 games left and Stuttgart 5 pts ahead of Bayern before today's games ... and in this last leg, games are still going on, Stuttgart is leading 0-1 while Bayern is losing at home to Hamburg 1-2 with 10 min left
Pireloke
28-04-2007, 11:29
...Or Juve :)
But it's bad for Fiorentina cause i don't think they can replace him and without him i don't see them as 4th place contenders next year.
That's good for Roma and Juve also !
Pazzini - Mutu pack a punch and I'm sure they will buy another good player or two with the money from Toni. Also Frey in their goal is very very good, I say Frey > Amelia for example
Pazzini - Mutu pack a punch and I'm sure they will buy another good player or two with the money from Toni. Also Frey in their goal is very very good, I say Frey > Amelia for example
You're 100% right !
Viola is still a hell of a team and i'm sure they'll buy few more very good players.
Still i think they won't be so succesful next year as they were last year and this year ( without calciopoli they would have been 4th placed).
They will lose the leader, the best scorer and best player in Toni. It's always hard to replace such players, especially in the first year after they leave !
We'll sell them Gila!! :)
some news: Spanish TV claims Barca has signed Lyon's Abidal for 12 mil, and is really close on signing Alves. Also, Zambrotta says that we doesnthave any attention of leaving Barca in the summer...WE'll see.
Bosniaco
28-04-2007, 14:46
We'll sell them Gila!! :)
some news: Spanish TV claims Barca has signed Lyon's Abidal for 12 mil, and is really close on signing Alves. Also, Zambrotta says that we doesnthave any attention of leaving Barca in the summer...WE'll see.
Well if they buy Dani Alves and Abidal I dono how much room Zambrotta will have to play :)
Too bad Toni looks Munich bound. He's a great player, but I'm not his greatest fan. I'd rather he moved to Inter, and we got Adriano or he moved to Juve and we got Trez...
IvanGattuso
29-04-2007, 04:22
I like Toni and would loved to have seen him at Milan.
Toni is not mobile enough IMO. We'd need wingers if we played him. We need a player who operates outside the box, and has the technical qualities to play as an AM on occasion.
I've just read an interwiew with Ronaldo about few issues...and I'll sum it up in here.
1. Kaka' to Real? Absolutly no!
2. Ronaldinho to Milan? He is happy in Barcelona, I doubt it.....
3. Dida? Great friend and great professional...
4. Totti? I would like to see him in Milan but that is not possible...
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Its like Im listening to Galliani talking about mercato :)
I posted on multimedia a video compilation about a player that most of you must don´t know
http://www.milanmania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22438
Would be a fantastic hire to Milan
I've just read an interwiew with Ronaldo about few issues...and I'll sum it up in here.
1. Kaka' to Real? Absolutly no!
2. Ronaldinho to Milan? He is happy in Barcelona, I doubt it.....
3. Dida? Great friend and great professional...
4. Totti? I would like to see him in Milan but that is not possible...
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Its like Im listening to Galliani talking about mercato :)
That's because it was Galliani talking
Reporter : Will Kaka go to Real ?
Ronaldo : (silently to the bald guy behind him) Hey boss, what should i tell them ? Shall i tell them Kaka told us he's going to Real ?
Galliani : No, you elephant, tell them Kaka is happy here and there's absolutely no chance he'll leave us.
Ronaldo : (to the reporter) Absolutely no
Reporter : Will Ronaldinho join you in Milan ?
Ronaldo : (to uncle Fester) What now boss?
Galliani : hmmm, he's very happy in Barcelona and even my tricks with his brother didn't change his opinion, so i doubt he'll come but you should say...
Ronaldo : (to the reporter) He's very happy in Barcelona and i doubt he'll come !
Galliani : Nooooo you hippo, you should have said that Dinho's dream is to wear Milan colours.
Reporter : What do you think about Dida ?
Ronaldo : (to Galliani) Boss, boss, shall i tell them we all call him spaghetti hands ?
Galliani : No you fat gathering of tryglycerides ! You'll tell them Dida is your great friend and great professional !
Ronaldo : (to Galliani) But boss, Dida told me i'm more fat than a christmass turkey and he's always making fun of my teeth. He says i remind him of a mole.
Galliani : Well i can't say he's not right ! Now say what i've told you to say or no more McDonald's today
Ronaldo : (to the reporter) He's a great friend and great
professional.
Reporter : What do you think of Totti ?
Ronaldo : (to Galliani) Who's Totti boss ? Is it that guy with the huge nose?
Galliani : No, that's Tassotti ! Totti is the guy from Rome who spits people.
Ronaldo : (to Galliani) Aha, so what should i say ?
Galliani : Well, tell them what you think about him.
Ronaldo : (to Galliani) I think he's a lazy diving fat poof.
Galliani : No you imbecile. They are asking you to describe Totti, not yourself. Tell them how you'd like to see him in Milan but that is not possible
Ronaldo : (to the reporter) I'd like to see him in Milan but that is not possible.
I couldn't resist :nervous:
Blacktop
29-04-2007, 20:34
That's because it was Galliani talking
I couldn't resist :nervous:
Whatever you were smoking at the time, Reverend Jim, I'd like some of it too. :)
zlatanov
29-04-2007, 21:36
that has nothing to do with smoking ... what Tony has is a medical condition called SBBF (Serie-B Boredom Fever) and some of the usual symptoms are hallucinations about Serie A teams, which are also doing very well in CL.
Among the less common signs is spending an obscene amount of time on a rival team's football forum.
The end result of this fever is loss of awareness for one's identity and jumping over in the rival camp once you realize it feels so much better over there. :grinser:
I couldn't resist it too, Tony :nervous: :diablo:
ACMILAN1983
30-04-2007, 05:57
I posted on multimedia a video compilation about a player that most of you must don´t know
http://www.milanmania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=22438
Would be a fantastic hire to Milan
Ah me and Brasileiro were talking about him a while back. Very talented youngster.
zZ[-_-]Zz
30-04-2007, 06:29
Juventino... how could you reveal such confidential details to the public? didn't you promise not to report it as it was? seems you all are alike... can't be trusted to keep their word...
don't make me mad or i will reveal to the Juve fans that Buffon is on his way over to Milan... with Alberto Girlydive in exchange... i'm sure your board will have lots of explainin' to do to the fans... especially after revealin' that he will not join either Inter or Milan just earlier today...
p.s. you made a mistake... Galliani didn't call Ronaldo a hippo... he clearly said baboon...
That's because it was Galliani talking
Reporter : Will Kaka go to Real ?
Ronaldo : (silently to the bald guy behind him) Hey boss, what should i tell them ? Shall i tell them Kaka told us he's going to Real ?
Galliani : No, you elephant, tell them Kaka is happy here and there's absolutely no chance he'll leave us.
Ronaldo : (to the reporter) Absolutely no
Reporter : Will Ronaldinho join you in Milan ?
Ronaldo : (to uncle Fester) What now boss?
Galliani : hmmm, he's very happy in Barcelona and even my tricks with his brother didn't change his opinion, so i doubt he'll come but you should say...
Ronaldo : (to the reporter) He's very happy in Barcelona and i doubt he'll come !
Galliani : Nooooo you hippo, you should have said that Dinho's dream is to wear Milan colours.
Reporter : What do you think about Dida ?
Ronaldo : (to Galliani) Boss, boss, shall i tell them we all call him spaghetti hands ?
Galliani : No you fat gathering of tryglycerides ! You'll tell them Dida is your great friend and great professional !
Ronaldo : (to Galliani) But boss, Dida told me i'm more fat than a christmass turkey and he's always making fun of my teeth. He says i remind him of a mole.
Galliani : Well i can't say he's not right ! Now say what i've told you to say or no more McDonald's today
Ronaldo : (to the reporter) He's a great friend and great
professional.
Reporter : What do you think of Totti ?
Ronaldo : (to Galliani) Who's Totti boss ? Is it that guy with the huge nose?
Galliani : No, that's Tassotti ! Totti is the guy from Rome who spits people.
Ronaldo : (to Galliani) Aha, so what should i say ?
Galliani : Well, tell them what you think about him.
Ronaldo : (to Galliani) I think he's a lazy diving fat poof.
Galliani : No you imbecile. They are asking you to describe Totti, not yourself. Tell them how you'd like to see him in Milan but that is not possible
Ronaldo : (to the reporter) I'd like to see him in Milan but that is not possible.
I couldn't resist :nervous: :rotfl: Excellent stuff + REP points :5ok:
Gee, i never stop suprising myself.
I was kinda drunk yesterday and i get all sorts of ideas when i'm on gas.
Sorry if someone feels offended by what i wrote :ashamed:
Zz']Juventino... how could you reveal such confidential details to the public? didn't you promise not to report it as it was? seems you all are alike... can't be trusted to keep their word...
Sorry mate but my head still hurts and i'm kinda slow atm so i don't know if you're kiding or you're serious. But if you're serious and if you're talking about what we talked few days ago then i can asure you i didn't say anything to anyone.
As for Buffon.....
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/apr30d.html
Is this article real or i'm still dreaming ?
Milan: Pepe per la difesa
09:23 del 30 aprile
Il difensore brasiliano del Porto, Pepe è diventato l'obiettivo numero 1 del Milan per ringiovanire la difesa.
(ControCampo)
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Brasilian defender from Porto, Pepe , is #1 objective for Milan defense !
(ControCampo)
The games continue with Buffon and Juve--today the headline is that he won't be sold. Tomorrow...anyone's guess... :5nana:
The games continue with Buffon and Juve--today the headline is that he won't be sold. Tomorrow...anyone's guess... :5nana:
Actually, this is far more serious than the previous articles ( of course, if Cobolli Gigli really said something like this )
If Cobolli Gigli really said there's no chance Buffon to go to Inter and Milan, then i totally trust him on that.
He didn't say Buffon won't be sold, he only said Buffon won't be sold to Milan and especially not to Inter.
Buffon himself said how he still has no clue what he'll do but he said that whatever he does it will be in agreement with the club.
Since the club categorically stands behind "Gigi won't be sold to Inter and Milan", then i can't imagine Buffon in Milano !
Actually, this is far more serious than the previous articles ( of course, if Cobolli Gigli really said something like this )
If Cobolli Gigli really said there's no chance Buffon to go to Inter and Milan, then i totally trust him on that.
He didn't say Buffon won't be sold, he only said Buffon won't be sold to Milan and especially not to Inter.
Buffon himself said how he still has no clue what he'll do but he said that whatever he does it will be in agreement with the club.
Since the club categorically stands behind "Gigi won't be sold to Inter and Milan", then i can't imagine Buffon in Milano !
Of course Whan Buffon does come to Milan Cobolli Gigli can always say "I meant Inter Milan DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH!!!!" :zany:
This is all just empty talk. Juve managment cant say: Yes, Gigi will go to Milan or Inter.... Galliani never said that Shjeva will leave Milan as well...
I believe Gigi will decide himself. We all know Berlusconi wants him and Milan can pay for him just as good as Barca for exapmle. Its all up for negotiations in the summer...
Its going to be a looooong summer with Kaka', Ronaldinho, Buffon, Zambrotta and so on.....
zZ[-_-]Zz
30-04-2007, 11:45
Juventino...
comments included "Alberto Girlydive" and "Galliani didn't call Ronaldo a hippo... he clearly said baboon"...
i hope that clears the air...
as for all the Buffon rumours... no club other than Inter & Milan are willin' to pay the outrageous price Juve is quotin'... so be sure that he is headed for only either... else forget all plans to rebuild your squad with quality without the fundin' that could be made by sellin' Buffon to either...
i also hope that clears the air...
Actually, this is far more serious than the previous articles ( of course, if Cobolli Gigli really said something like this )
If Cobolli Gigli really said there's no chance Buffon to go to Inter and Milan, then i totally trust him on that.
I actually don't trust any of management person, I don't care what team it is, b/c I know the games they play. Our (meaning Milan's) people who work these deals tend to stay pretty tight-lipped about who we're interested in, basically in order to keep the price down a bit. It' was explained to me that if we talk about who we're after, everyone else at least makes noise about the same player(s) and prices get inflated. Makes sense to me doing it that way too--keep everyone else guessing. This is an additional reason I call this the Silly Season--everyone is speculating, fans are making all sorts of guesses and discussing rumors, but only the people involved actually know for certain. :5ok:
Zz']Juventino...
comments included "Alberto Girlydive" and "Galliani didn't call Ronaldo a hippo... he clearly said baboon"...
i hope that clears the air...
as for all the Buffon rumours... no club other than Inter & Milan are willin' to pay the outrageous price Juve is quotin'... so be sure that he is headed for only either... else forget all plans to rebuild your squad with quality without the fundin' that could be made by sellin' Buffon to either...
i also hope that clears the air...
I agree with Debs that we should accept everything they say with a reserve, but zZ[-_-]Zz, latest news don't back up your opinion at all
1. Milan renewed Dida's contract 40 days ago
2. Berlusconi said ( 6 days ago) "" “We have just renewed the contract of our Brazilian goalkeeper Nelson Dida and we believe in him,”
“Therefore we do not need Buffon, who obviously I respect and whom I consider a great player"
3. Buffon said that all the rumours saying he'll go to Milan or Inter are false and how he still didn't decide what to do but he'll do everything with an agreement with Juve
4. Cobolli Gigli says there's absolutely no chance Buffon to join Inter and this, more or less, goes for Milan also. He also said how he made it clear to Moratti and Galliani that he won't sell Gigi to them.
5. Today, few hours after Cobolli Gigli's statement, Julio Cesar signed a five-year contract with Inter worth 3.5 million euros (4.7 million dollars) per season.
"We have a great keeper, therefore I am not tempted by Buffon," Inter president Massimo Moratti was quoted as saying.
Unless all of them are telling us lies and are just playing hard to get ( Juve trying to get more money for Gigi, while Inter and Milan trying to get him more cheaply, acting like they don't need a keeper because they renewed Dida's/JC's contracts) , which i really don't think is the case this time , i'd say Buffon won't go to Inter or Milan, and i'm now almost 100% sure about it !
From beginning to end, I predict that Buffon is not coming. Why? Coz the newspaper has been talking about this a lot and usually it won't happen.
Same thing to Ronaldinho.
zZ[-_-]Zz
30-04-2007, 13:51
Juventino...
Juve needs the money to rebuild their squad with quality... no other club other than Milan & Inter are willin' to meet the price Juve wants... so sellin' Buffon to any other club is definitely not in the best interests of Juve... unless the board has done a dodo mentally...
so unless Juve doesn't sell Buffon... Milan & Inter will be the only clubs Buffon is likely to join...
a contract renewal could mean boostin' the confidence of a player so he doesn't stuff up in the remainder of the campaign... and plays his best to repay the faith shown... same goes for publicly declarin' confidence in the player...
Buffon might say he will do everythin' in accordance to agreement with the club... so if Juve wants to sell Buffon to relegated West Ham (who happens to be rich enough to afford his wages)... do you think Buffon will agree? so than is that statement accurate? nope...
Buffon will get to pick the club he wants... and he has no interest in goin' abroad... so which are the possible clubs that could get him? Lazio? Fiorentina? Roma? i'm sure he rather stay at Juve than...
Juve's task for next season is to qualify for a UEFA Cup spot... not higher provided many things go their way... includin' the summer market... that means Milan & Inter are not direct rivals to their plan... so sellin' to either is not in direct conflict of Juve's target...
so Gigli made up his mind back than & Milan extended Dida's contract... but i feel Gigli has already concluded he needs to cash in on Buffon... however only once qualification is affirmed (or after the season ends)... will he only announce that Buffon is set to leave... why? to avoid distractions that could ruin the task of promotion... same purpose as public declaration of faith & contract renewal... just handled differently...
so with Dida & Julio Cesar signin' renewals... does it mean if Buffon becomes available... both Inter & Milan will not fight to get him? be sure that both will attempt to sign Buffon... so does the contract renewal mean much? certainly not in this situation...
let's play out a scenario... M thinks Z is the best LB & wants him... however J is the next best thing available... and with the possibility that B may not sell Z... extendin' J's contract is done only as assurance that M doesn't lose out if they can't get Z... however after extendin' J's contract... Z becomes available... will M make a move for Z? my guess is yes...
plus... don't be almost 100% sure than Buffon will not join either Inter or Milan... because he himself hasn't made that decision yet...
Is Juventino your new name now Tony?
It wouldn't make any difference if all of the Juventus board said Buffon wasn't going and Buffon himself said he wasn't going. Players can change their minds at any moment and the summer is long, meaning that until September 1st no one will know anything with 100% certainty who is going where.
1. Milan renewed Dida's contract 40 days ago
2. Berlusconi said ( 6 days ago) "" “We have just renewed the contract of our Brazilian goalkeeper Nelson Dida and we believe in him,”
“Therefore we do not need Buffon, who obviously I respect and whom I consider a great player"
3. Buffon said that all the rumours saying he'll go to Milan or Inter are false and how he still didn't decide what to do but he'll do everything with an agreement with Juve
4. Cobolli Gigli says there's absolutely no chance Buffon to join Inter and this, more or less, goes for Milan also. He also said how he made it clear to Moratti and Galliani that he won't sell Gigi to them.
5. Today, few hours after Cobolli Gigli's statement, Julio Cesar signed a five-year contract with Inter worth 3.5 million euros (4.7 million dollars) per season.
"We have a great keeper, therefore I am not tempted by Buffon," Inter president Massimo Moratti was quoted as saying.
1. Without a decent replacement already signed, an extension to Dida contract is normal. Even after siging a replacement, the uncertainty whether the keeper would fit in immediately etc.....
2. So you expect Berlusconi to say we will sign Buffon and Dida is useless and will sit on the bench after Buffon is signed, all these just before Milan biggest match of the season. Come on you can't be serious.
3. Anwered like a gentleman should or you expect to see him come out and declare he is going to Milan and risk getting attacked by the juve fans on the pitch, moreover affecting the morale in the dressing room not only of juve but also of Milan. Common sense would tell you what should be said and what not. The season has not ended yet, mind you.
4. Just playing hard to get, typical of juve before they ship off their best players.
5. That's Inter, not milan so....But inter history tell us that it doesn't matter how many keepers they have, they will still buy....
Up till now, i am not sure Buffon is coming to Milan, no clear indication. But anything said about him not leaving Juve or coming to Milan is just as inconclusive. Just leave it as such, any attempt to debate otherwise just seem weak.
Is Juventino your new name now Tony?
I have no idea what did i do to deserve such a nickname. It's the same as if i start calling some of you "Milanista" :irritate:
zZ[-_-]Zz .... i'm sorry but i won't reply to your post regarding the part about Buffon. It's full of contradictions, illogical assumptions and wishfull thinking and i think, no matter what i say, i'll fail in convincing you that chances for Gigi to go to Milan or Inter are much smaller than the chances for him not to do so !
That's why i won't even try to reply to the Buffon part, but i'll just reply on this :
1. Juve needs the money to rebuild their squad with quality
2. Juve's task for next season is to qualify for a UEFA Cup spot
Ok, be sure that what Juve has atm is more than enough for UEFA Cup spot. 3 world champions, 2 world vice-champions, Pavel Nedved and few more experienced players and some of the best young players in Italy......... it's more than enough, imo !
Also, Juve's task will never be UEFA. Juve's objective will be winning the league. It's smthg not likely to happen, i know, but i'm sure Del Piero, Nedved, Trez, Camoranesi and Buffon won't even think of competing if their objective isn't winning the league.
It automatically makes Inter and Milan direct rivals, and even if Juve won't be good enough to compete with them, they maybe won't be direct rivals but they'll still remain the greatest rivals of Juventus.
Second, Juve does need money to buy players but Juve can easily pull it off without selling Buffon. Secco says Juve has minimum 40m Eur ( 2nd rate of last summer's transfers combined with the money injection the team got from the board).
Juve , thanx to Moggi, is a team with around 45-50 players, most of them ( like Miccolli, Blasi , Kapo etc) are on loan and will be sold or used in exchange deals - it means more money !!
If we add that Juve won't play in Europe and these players will have only 1 match per week, then i doubt there will be a team that won't have the hardest time when facing Juve !
Not to mention how all Juve players will fight till death if needed. They were hurt, they were out of sight for 1 year but they still are among worlds best. They have a lot to prove and they'll be much more motivated than any other club out there.
This year Lazio is inferior to Juventus imo, and will be even more inferior after Juve buys 3-4 new players. And Lazio will play CLQ next season.
Fiorentina is very solid but is mostly on par with Juve ( although i still think Juventus is better than la Viola). If they sell Toni, and it's a 99,99% certainity then they'll certanly be weaker than Juventus.
So, why do you think Juve's task for next season is to qualify for UEFA ?
zZ[-_-]Zz
01-05-2007, 06:37
i shall say again... Juve cannot finish in the top 4 for next season... it is not that i don't want them to... but i don't see it happenin'...
i feel the top 4 would comprise of Inter... Milan... Fiorentina... Roma... with Lazio & Juve havin' to settle for just the UEFA Cup...
Nedved & Del Piero are no longer quality starters... they are nothin' more than quality veterans from the bench... but they will still be regarded as starters at Juve... so besides the 3-4 new players you mentioned... that's another 2 more to be added...
Trezeguet hasn't confirmed his stay with a contract renewal... that leaves him with just 1 year left of his contract before he can leave for free... and if he doesn't get that renewal... i wouldn't be surprised if he is savin' himself for his new employers... not wantin' to go all out & get himself hurt & jobless... so you can add 1 more...
so that leaves just Camoranesi & Buffon... and i'm sure what i just mentioned before has been playin' in their minds since the season started... so both know that unless 6 to 7 top class players comes in durin' the TW... Juve might have to settle for a UEFA Cup challenge in 07/08 & top 10 finish in 08/09 season...
the €40 million also includes wages for the new players & contract renewals i believe... not just only for transfers... so after deduction... can €30 million (bein' optimistic) bring you the needed 6 top class players to be a challenge for a top 4 finish?
so the only way to have more funds to get that amount of new quality... is sadly in Juve's case... to cash in on Buffon...
and all these are just speculations... assumptions... and wishful thinkin'... but thinkin' that Juve will immediately challenge for a top 4 spot is exactly that as well...
you say Lazio & Fiorentina are inferior to Juve... i say they are still superior even if their top stars (Rocchi & Toni) leaves... why? Rossi & Prandelli are far superior to Deschamps...
so unless a top coach (Lippi?) replaces Deschamps & at least 4 top class players join Juve... i don't see how my assumption they will only be UEFA Cup hopefuls be any less contradictin' to yours that they are superior...
Zz']i shall say again... Juve cannot finish in the top 4 for next season... it is not that i don't want them to... but i don't see it happenin'...
Fine then. Lets stop the off topic here. You have yours and i have my opinion about how will Juve do next year.
I wanted not to answer you about Buffon but it looks like i'll have to.
I believe i wasn't clear enough so you got confused. I'm , by no means, saying Buffon won't be sold. Even he said he doesn't knows the answer on that question.
I'm saying he won't be sold to Milan or Inter.
Your main point was that noone else will be willing to pay Juve's asking price, apart from Milan and Inter.
Be sure that not even Milan or Inter are willing or crazy to pay €75 m EUR.
When you offer at the market someone who carries the epithet " the best .... in the world" , then you'll get a lot of interest and many offers.
You're wrong for saying Gigi ruled out going abroad. Nope, he said that it's less likely to happen than staying in Italy ( and by staying in Italy you can as well count staying in Juve). Also, he said everything connecting him with going to Milan or Inter is just false rumours.
Now, when you have Buffon offered at the market, then you can expect Barcelona, Manchester or Arsenal to show interest. Maybe none of them will offer as much as Inter or Milan, but at the end - it doesn't matter at all !
I'll explain it to you with an example : Put Milan in Juve's situation. Out of all the stars you managed to keep Kaka ( Buffon) , Ronaldo ( Trezeguet) , Seedorf ( Del Piero) , Maldini ( Nedved) , Gattuso ( Camoranesi).
You need money to make your team stronger so you have to sacrifice Kaka.
Barcelona offers 70m eur , while Inter and Juve offer 80 m Eur.
What will you do ?
It's the same situation here. You're thinking short-term when you say Inter and Milan won't be Juve's direct rivals. Yeah, perhaps, but if we talk about next year, or next 2 years only.
Buffon will play for at least 7-8 years and Milan& Inter WILL be Juve's diract rivals then, and Buffon will have to play against Juve.
Cobolli Gigli was more than clear " WE WON'T SELL TO MILAN AND INTER" . He also made it clear to Berlu and Moratti.
Buffon " Whatever i do , i'll do it with an agreement with Juventus".
Both sides here respect eachother and none of them will do smthg to hurt the other.
Juve won't stop Buffon leaving , while Buffon won't hurt Juve by going to a rival club. There will be a compromise, you can be sure about that.
So, unless Buffon comes out and says " Milan and noone else" , and i don't think he'll do it because he made it clear he'll do everything not to hurt Juve, or unless Milan or Inter offer 20m-30m eur more than the others, then you can forget about him.
zZ[-_-]Zz
01-05-2007, 10:15
Barca... Arsenal & Man Utd are not clubs that will spend big on a GK... and i don't see them offerin' anythin' more than €15 million...
so i honestly don't see what good that kind of cash will do for rejuvenatin' your squad... but if Juve decides that it is better to get just €15 million from a foreign club than €25 million from Milan or Inter... the fans are in for a hard time... not only did you lose a transfer guru the quality of Moggi... but got a complete idiot in return...
anyway... if you read Gigli's comments in Italian... not the translated English version... you can tell he left deliberate gaps in his comments about a possible switch to Milan... but he made it clear Juve will not sell to Inter...
Zz']Barca... Arsenal & Man Utd are not clubs that will spend big on a GK... and i don't see them offerin' anythin' more than €15 million...
If you base your opinion on the fact that these teams never spent big on a GK, then i can reply with : Milan never payed more than 5m for a goalkeeper !
Andrea Pazzagli, Sebastiano Rossi , Christian Abbiatti, Nelson Dida...... even when he was breaking world transfer records, Berlu didn't go big for a GK.
Zz']so i honestly don't see what good that kind of cash will do for rejuvenatin' your squad... but if Juve decides that it is better to get just €15 million from a foreign club than €25 million from Milan or Inter... the fans are in for a hard time... not only did you lose a transfer guru the quality of Moggi... but got a complete idiot in return...
Man, really, how do you come up with these numbers ? Even if there's a difference from what Inter will offer and what Barcelona may offer, i don't see such a big one. 5-6 m less, maybe, but certanly not 10m.
Juve will never sell Buffon for €25 million, especially not to Inter or Milan and the other teams interested in Buffon won't offer less than €25 million !
Zz']anyway... if you read Gigli's comments in Italian... not the translated English version... you can tell he left deliberate gaps in his comments about a possible switch to Milan... but he made it clear Juve will not sell to Inter...
I addmit i didn't read the italian version.
Would you like to give me a link please ?
But not from Gazzetta or Tuttosport. They are biased towards the Milano clubs and Juventus.
Thanx.
Stezagud
01-05-2007, 11:13
If you base your opinion on the fact that these teams never spent big on a GK, then i can reply with : Milan never payed more than 5m for a goalkeeper !
Of those 3 i dont really see a big bid coming. Barca have already brought players in from Juve and it hasnt quite worked out, i dont think they would risk big money on Buffon when they have young Spanish keepers already (even if they arent very good :) )
Utd would spend the money only if Buffon explicitly stated he wanted to join Utd, otherwise they wouldnt waste time targetting him as Italian internationals tend to be reluctant to move to the Premiership. Utd already have Foster to come back from loan too, he is young but has great potential and already broke into the England team this year.
Arsenal have the cosmopolitan appeal maybe to entice Buffon but Wengers ego usually sees him targetting cheap prospects or free transfers. They are more lilkely to go for Boruc or Gordon.
I have no idea what did i do to deserve such a nickname. It's the same as if i start calling some of you "Milanista" :irritate:
Yes, all a bit silly isn't it Tony. Not sure i'd like to be constantly referred to as 'Milanista' when my name (well nick name in this case) is right there on screen.
Zz]if you read Gigli's comments in Italian... not the translated English version... you can tell he left deliberate gaps in his comments about a possible switch to Milan
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Don't bother looking for the Italian version cause i found it.
It's exactly the same as the english one. The guy who translated it in English did i great job this time :)
Also, lets not forget swap deals may happen. Mancini, De Rossi , Zambrotta, Deco, Henry, Gerrard ( yeah, right :) ), Sissoko... they may all be part of a deal.
Milan has Abbiati or Gilardino to offer - Thanx, but no thanx. Pirlo, Nesta, Gattuso - maybe - but if Milan wants to get rid of the players they don't need, then Milan can do it with Udinese, not with Juventus !
Also, lets not forget swap deals may happen. Mancini, De Rossi , Zambrotta, Deco, Henry, Gerrard ( yeah, right :) ), Sissoko... they may all be part of a deal.
I can't see Buffon wanting to be part of a swap deal for Mancini and/or De Rossi. With two of Roma's biggest stars leaving, he'd surely be going to a weaker team than if he stayed at Juventus and waited for their summer signings.
I know you say that Abbiati & Gilardino wouldn't be ideal, but they would improve your squad, just not your first 11. Abbiati would be a good sub keeper battling with Amelia maybe and if you had Gilardino, Del Piero and two other new strikers from Klose, Huntelaar, Villa (can't see it, but you never know), Suazo, Alves, etc ... then you'd be looking healthy up front. Assuming Trezeguet leaves of course.
Assuming Trezeguet leaves of course.
Oh, you didn't hear i guess !
It's all aranged already. Trez will leave Juve and go to Chelsea in exchange for Shevchenko .
That was the reason for Juve officials going to London 1 month ago. **
I know Jim. Most of these swap deals i mentioned are next to impossibile. I just wanted to say that it probably won't be 100% money deal if Gigi leaves, and since there are many exciting players who'll really improve Juve ( and improving Juve is smthg i find unlikely to happen with Abbiati and Gila) then we can never say Barcelona is out of the race only because they never spend big on GK !
They can offer us players instead ;)
** :grinser:
zZ[-_-]Zz
01-05-2007, 12:26
the Italian version that i read reports this as translated...
Gigli: i want to inform our fans not to worry about Buffon movin' to Inter... as it is not just an absurd hypothesis... but it isn't even one to begin with...
if this was to happen... we (the Juve board) would not be able to look them (Juve fans) in the eye as it would be just too much...
this is more or less the same for Milan... durin' the last Lega meetin'... i told Galliani that sellin' Buffon is not an option...
and when Moratti asked me to inform him if we were ever to change our mind... i replied that it was not an option...
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if you noticed... it started with an address to the Juve fans that sellin' to Inter was impossible & that such an option was absurd to even assume... goin' on to say that he would not be able to face the Juve fans if it was to happen... all just about Inter...
than he said it was more or less the same for Milan... not the exact same strong convictions as he had against Inter...
but when Moratti asked to be informed if there was a change... he replied that it wouldn't... but nothin' about informin' Galliani...
however... this is what i read... but if yours is the more accurate information... than of course everythin' i assumed before was wrong... but i hope you do see the loopholes Gigli made in connection to specifically Milan...
Oh, you didn't hear i guess !
It's all aranged already. Trez will leave Juve and go to Chelsea in exchange for Shevchenko .
That was the reason for Juve officials going to London 1 month ago. **
haha ... very good
but i think you're too late, Barca want to sign Shevchenko for £15 million to form an Etoo, Ronaldinho, Shevchenko trident!
You know those Chelsea types, always double crossing you :grinser:
Zz']
and when Moratti asked me to inform him if we were ever to change our mind... i replied that it was not an option...
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but when Moratti asked to be informed if there was a change... he replied that it wouldn't... but nothin' about informin' Galliani...
however... this is what i read... but if yours is the more accurate information... than of course everythin' i assumed before was wrong... but i hope you do see the loopholes Gigli made in connection to specifically Milan...
http://sport.alice.it/it/cmc/calcio/200718/cmc_108891.html
He mentions both Galliani and Moratti in the same context...but nevermind, i have a suggestion for you :
Lets drop it :)
We both made our points and no matter what we say these bloody multi millionaires will do what they want and they won't care what Tony and zZ[-_-]Zz ( while we're here, we must do smthg about this nick. Eather tell me your name or an acceptable nickname with 3 or 4 letters , or don't reply to my posts :devf: ) say.
Lets not argue, lets not amortize our key boards and lets not lose our sleep because of them !
zZ[-_-]Zz
01-05-2007, 13:01
i'm not arguin' with you Tony... it is only because i hold you in high regards that i engage in discussions with you...
and with you bein' a Juventino & me a Milanista... we see things differently & all these discussions was about hearin' from that different perspective & learnin' what the other feel...
nothin' hostile at all... even though my negative reputation precedes me...
by the way... that link doesn't work...
last but not least... you can address me as quadruple Z... and i hope Jim doesn't reveal my name...
Zz']
by the way... that link doesn't work...
It works for me
http://sport.alice.it/it/cmc/calcio/200718/cmc_108891.html
Try again.
If you still can't open it, it says " ho detto chiaramente a Moratti e Galliani che Buffon non si tocca e quando mi hanno detto di avvertirli se la Juve cambiasse idea, ho replicato che non ci sino "se"
It's exactly the same thing that's mentioned in the english version. How he informed both Moratti and Galliani how Buffon is untouchable for Inter and Milan.
I didn't want to say we're arguing , i wanted to say that it will be for the best if we stop posting miles long posts with some arguments when whatever we say, chances are still 33-33-33-1 ( stay at juve- go to milan or inter- go anywhere else but milan or inter-gets kidnapped by aliens) because Gigi himself said he has no idea what will he do this summer !
Btw , Jim already revealed your name. It starts with D and it ends with N ;)
zZ[-_-]Zz
01-05-2007, 13:37
blisterin' barnacles... has Jim betrayed a fellow Milanista or was it a slip of the tongue?
as for the Buffon discussion... i hope for the general good of Italian football he stays in the Serie A... and i don't consider Argentina part of Italy...
Zz']blisterin' barnacles... has Jim betrayed a fellow Milanista or was it a slip of the tongue?
as for the Buffon discussion... i hope for the general good of Italian football he stays in the Serie A... and i don't consider Argentina part of Italy...
Didn't you reveal your name when you first came here in a presentation thread? Or in a post you made when you put up one of your photos?
Either way i didn't realise you wanted to be secretive. Sorry.
Additionally, i read a few brief quotes today from Alex saying that Chelsea are working extra hard to get him his work permit so he can play in England and how he really wants to play for Chelsea next season. Not sure how they can just make a work permit appear for him (though with Roman's dirty money anything is possible) but it seems he's determined to go to Chelsea :moan:
zlatanov
01-05-2007, 16:48
if those quotes were really quotes and not just another "typo" in the morning paper, I wouldn't expect anything of else of him to say - Chelski after all owns his contract and he has to be politically correct.
As for being determined to play for them, I am sure if he's been watching their games as of late, including the one today vs Pool, his enthusiasm is probably sleeping beside him :D
I don't think they were typos, but you're right that it's an expected thing for him to say.
He just better make sure he actually wants to go to Milan :D
dictatornz
01-05-2007, 21:38
IMO cassano would be a great buy that wouldnt break the bank.
zZ[-_-]Zz
01-05-2007, 21:44
Jim... not that it matters... but those posts & threads are deleted quite some time ago...
anyway... what's done is done... don't blame you at all...
Dean? Damon? Dejan? Donn? Damien? :D :D :D
Here's some news on Zlat's fav player :D
Agente Abidal 'Tra 15 giorni il nome della sua nuova squadra'
10:22 del 02 maggio
AbidalOscar Damiani, agente del difensore del Lione, Eric Abidal, intervistato dall'emittente radiofonica spagnola, Ona FM: "Sappaimo già che il giocatore andrà via dalla Francia ma non abbiamo ancora idea dove andrà a giocare. Credo che tra 15-20 giorni potremo rendere pubblico il nome della sua nuova squadra. Il Barça? Non c'è nessuna offerta concreta, però sappiamo che sono interessati ad Abidal. Ci sono anche altri club che lo vogliono, inglesi ed italiani".
In 15-20 days we'll knows who Abidal's new squad will be. The agent is saying it's not necessarily Barcelona and that there are English and Italian clubs in the mix. I can't recall any Italian teams wanting him but maybe...just maybe ?
zZ[-_-]Zz
02-05-2007, 09:04
let's just say i am a good friend of Il Diavolo... always seen in the company of Choronzon & Sabnock... alleged to have intimate relations with Lilith... and this is my seal...
http://www.sacred-texts.com/grim/lks/img/fig079.jpg
oh... and i like my bunnies deep-fried or roasted...
zlatanov
02-05-2007, 09:15
Here's some news on Zlat's fav player :D
In 15-20 days we'll knows who Abidal's new squad will be. The agent is saying it's not necessarily Barcelona and that there are English and Italian clubs in the mix. I can't recall any Italian teams wanting him but maybe...just maybe ?
hey, hey, hey he aint my favourite player ... he is just a player I would LOVE to see in Milan :D
But I think his entourage is just buying time before they announce that Abidal is moving to Barca next season
I say we go for Berbatov, honestly
Stezagud
02-05-2007, 11:13
He is a top player, but Chelsea want him too and will drive up the price massively, if Spurs charge £18m for Carrick then you can just imagine what they would want for Berbatov!
wookiee06
03-05-2007, 03:23
AC MILAN will tell Chelsea: Name your price for John Terry.
The Italian giants want to sign a top central defender this summer.
And they will offer the England skipper £120,000 a week to move to the San Siro.
Milan have already given a top agent the task of negotiating a deal for the £25million-rated star.
The prospect of losing Terry could further undermine a Blues outfit already reeling from their Champions League exit and the probable loss of the title to Manchester United.
But Milan believe they can take advantage of the complete breakdown in talks about a new contract between Terry and Chelsea.
A senior Milan source said: “We have been monitoring Terry and his situation with Chelsea and believe he would be an excellent and valuable player for Milan.”
SunSport can reveal the Blues offered Terry a five-year, £110,000-a-week, deal a month ago. When Terry turned it down, he was told it was the final offer and he should take it or leave it.
Chelsea’s hierarchy were shocked when their captain said ‘No thanks’. He believes he deserves at least the same £121,000 a week handed out to Andriy Shevchenko and Michael Ballack.
Chief executive Peter Kenyon has insisted the club will not go to that level and Terry, 26, is now considering his options. He has two years left on his current agreement, which nets him £70,000 a week
Lebanese
03-05-2007, 04:15
the suns newspaper
kastriot
03-05-2007, 04:22
source???????//
BBC.cm.uk has it
I read it there
Chelsea's Shevchenko approaches AC Milan
tribalfooball.com - May 02, 2007
Chelsea striker Andriy Shevchenko made contact with AC Milan officials on Tuesday night.
Sheva's frosty relationship with Jose Mourinho has again come to a head over the groin injury which, to the Chelsea manager's annoyance, allowed the striker only one half in the draw against Bolton on Saturday and kept him out of the Champions League defeat at Anfield.
Reports say Shevchenko conveyed his distress to a group of Milan officials who sat yards from his position in the directors' box. Afterwards he told reporters that his withdrawal had been on medical advice.
"It has been very difficult time for me with injuries," he said. "I really wanted to be available to play this game but my injury didn't allow it. The decision was made on Sunday. The doctor spoke with the manager and the club."
if this is true, NESTA-TERRY will be a fenomenal defance line...a think so, because for me Nesta and Terry are the best defancive player in the world.
Read it also on Goal.com. It seems like Chelsea is suffering from internal problems that were escalated after their defeat to Liverpool. Personally I find it hard to believe Terry would leave Chelsea anytime soon, but I wouldn't mind Milan exploiting Chelsea's mismanagement and going for Terry since he is a worldclass defender and would be a great addition.
Terry won't come and Chelsea wont sell him.
This is the same Terry who said that he wanted to manage chelsea a few days ago. he's their capatin for gawds sake. this won't happen.
King tiger
03-05-2007, 06:01
sheva was our captain too.
Kaká Reveals Premiership Ambition
Kaká has revealed that he could be tempted by a move to English football is he ever decides to leave AC Milan before inviting Cristiano Ronaldo to move to Italy.
galleria The Brazilian was instrumental in ending Manchester United's Champions League dream in midweek, but immediately stated that the Premiership would represent an enticing challenge for him.
On the same day that AC Milan supremo announced that Kaká would play with Rossoneri for the rest of his career, the player himself hinted that may not be true.
"I love the (English) competition, the challenge," Kaká told Sky Sports News.
"There are many big teams. Three English teams made the last four of this competition, so the challenge is very appealing.
"Many champions play in England. If one day I was to leave Milan I would definitely look at an English team."
Despite Ronaldo's lacklustre display for Manchester United in the San Siro on Wednesday, Kaká would still enjoy playing alongside the exciting Portuguese forward, but not at Old Trafford.
"In Italy," he stated. "He should transfer to Milan then we could play together. You never know."
kaka really needs to shut up :mad:
I forgot to post the link
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=294839
zlatanov
03-05-2007, 07:34
the guy is just being "good" to English football after last night's embarrassment.
There is nothing that guarantees he will end his career at Milan as Milan themselves might be willing to let him go when he is 30+ years old one day. Then of course a move to the EPL would be an option.
What he said is more a hypothetical statement than anything of substance and I don't think it should be interpreted as if he's willing to leave Milan and leave us in the very near future.
As for CR at Milan, the guy needs to take his head out of his butt, put a lead lid on that ego of his and top it all, a VAST improvement in his interpretation of the phrase "team play" if he is to even make the 1st team. He may be 22yo but Kaka at his age was not far behind the Kaka we saw yesterday and single handedly was dismantling big teams in the CL ... something CR seems to be only capable of doint with teams of the caliber of Everton, Fulham and the likes ... no offense to them.
All in all, Kaka was just being nice to him :)
zlatanov
03-05-2007, 07:36
here is the Sun link for the Terry rumour:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2002390000-2007200412,00.html
Even the Inter fans agree with me when I say Kaka is not your average player. He doesn't do stupid things your average Brazilian player does, like partying late nights. He is genuinely a good person, I think he is just being friendly when saying that.
Last week he said something like Arsenal dont play like Brazilians, its more like Manchester United. He is used saying that as a friendly gesture.
i have no problem with CR comments. What bothers me are the comments about Premiership. They seem pretty familiar to me, from about ten months ago...and I don't like it at all.
zlatanov
03-05-2007, 08:01
i have no problem with CR comments. What bothers me are the comments about Premiership. They seem pretty familiar to me, from about ten months ago...and I don't like it at all.
what happened 10 months ago, or rather the result of that EPL adventure our former star had, should be yet another reason to relax.
I am sure that Sheva would duck walk from London to Milan if that was gonna turn the clock back ... we have to look ahead in the future, though, the good memories are best left in the past ;)
Kaka' is only 25 years old, and there is no chance Milan will sell him. Just relax, in the next 4 years he is going nowhere... About Terry...well, that would have been something special seeing Terry-Nesta in front of Buffon :) But I doubt Ambamovich will sell him captain and best player.
He may be 22yo but Kaka at his age was not far behind the Kaka we saw yesterday and single handedly was dismantling big teams in the CL ... something CR seems to be only capable of doint with teams of the caliber of Everton, Fulham and the likes ... no offense to them.
Actually, Kaka at 22 was far behind the Kaka of today. If i'm not wrong , he was the same age as CR is now, in his first european season.
Back then Kaka wasn't even close to top10 players in the world, like CR is now.
Kaka was an exciting extra talent , but that was it. He wasn't doing things he does now and he wasn't a leader.
He certanly wasn't single handedly dismantling big teams in CL. He had a great match against Deportivo in Milano , where he scored 2 goals (CR did the same, at the same stage, against Roma), but that was it.
CR is being hyped a lot, but i still concider him to be a better player than Kaka was at 22 !
Give the guy some time ;)
I'm gone at work Zlat. So if you wanna reply don't expect my answer for the next 4 hours :)
zlatanov
03-05-2007, 08:45
Actually, Kaka at 22 was far behind the Kaka of today. If i'm not wrong , he was the same age as CR is now, in his first european season.
Back then Kaka wasn't even close to top10 players in the world, like CR is now.
Kaka was an exciting extra talent , but that was it. He wasn't doing things he does now and he wasn't a leader.
He certanly wasn't single handedly dismantling big teams in CL. He had a great match against Deportivo in Milano , where he scored 2 goals (CR did the same, at the same stage, against Roma), but that was it.
CR is being hyped a lot, but i still concider him to be a better player than Kaka was at 22 !
Give the guy some time ;)
I'm gone at work Zlat. So if you wanna reply don't expect my answer for the next 4 hours :)
CR is more hype than substance ... his stature of one of the world's best comes very much from the effect of his "attractive" dancing style of play that many fans fall for - a lot like Ronaldinho, with the only dif that Dinho actually showed up in big games and not just when dead meat like Everton, Fulham, West Ham was in the way ...
And CR is playing his trade in one of the more open championships where stifling the opposition and closing down every space in defense isn't seen as the only way to play football.
I could only imagine what CR would be like in a defensive league like Serie A given how useless and helpless he is when he has no space to make his runs and operate more or less freely with the ball but has 10 defenders gunning for his ankles for 90 min, instead.
when it comes to being there for big games, what goes for Dinho goes for Kaka too - he is where he is supposed to be in big and small games alike, in the epicenter of things pulling strings for his team in midfield and attack and every single ball going thru him before it reaches the forwards.
His game at 22 - with no experience in European football at all (unlike CR who has been at ManU and in touch with top EU football since he was 18) - had much more substance and final product than CR could hope for even when he is 28 yo if he continues developing in this fashion.
kaka's game is about simplicity and efficiency and even at 22 yo he was a team player, not an attention seeking individual ... in fact, the only reason why, until this year, Kaka has somehow remained in the shadows of Dinho first and more recently C. Ronaldo is the lack of often pointless trickery that wows the not-so-shrude and easily impressionable portion of the fans worldwide, which I am sorry to say is by far the largest of the lot.
it took kaka ousting Dinho as the premiere face of the brazil NT and taking his #10 jersey and a footballing lesson in team work and efficiency and pure class to CR and his ManU that now, finally, the fans are starting to see him as something more than one of the better players around and possible the best out there ... If, however, kaka was proned to the effective brand of football CR and Dinho worship, I am sure that would have happened several years earlier, not that it matters to Milan.
granted, back then he was not as finely finished a product as he is now (although I bet he can/should still improve) but still there is no base for comparison between him at 22 and CR at 22 when it comes to styles of play and approach to a player's role on the field as part of a TEAM of 11 players.
All in all, I think how a player approaches a game - meaning whether he puts himself in service to his team or is just another talented glory hunter - comes down to the type of person you are, to the heart that beats under that jersey ... and these are things that I am not sure people learn.
As one of the British tabloids said after the game - Kaka was an example to CR in humility and what it means to be a down to earth person.
For me the only way CR could shake off that one-trick-pony image and take that extra big step to being a great player, not just an OT fan favorite, is to change as a person in his approach to the game ... IMO, that's his problem, not the lack of talent and ability, which is obviously there.
Ronaldo's problem is that he cares more about his hair style than about the score on the field... I dont even want to loose time on explaining why and how is KAka' greater than C. Ronaldo even when Kaka' was 22. This is simply something this man has in himself, humility and precision, brilliance!
C.Ronaldo is NOT A LEADER in United, ok, so Kaka' also wasnt a leader in Milan when he was 22, but how could he be when he played with players like Maldini, Cafu, Sheva, Crespo, Pippo, Seedorf, Pirlo, Gattuso....all older and playing for Milan for years..?
That Kaka' is better than Ronaldo can be seen from off a plain and not only from the stands!! Only English journalists and people that dont understand football needed this two games to convince them that Kaka' is one of a kind and a best player in the world!
FORZA GOLDEN BOY RICKY!!
CR is more hype than substance ... his stature of one of the world's best comes very much from the effect of his "attractive" dancing style of play that many fans fall for - a lot like Ronaldinho, with the only dif that Dinho actually showed up in big games and not just when dead meat like Everton, Fulham, West Ham was in the way ...
And CR is playing his trade in one of the more open championships where stifling the opposition and closing down every space in defense isn't seen as the only way to play football.
I could only imagine what CR would be like in a defensive league like Serie A given how useless and helpless he is when he has no space to make his runs and operate more or less freely with the ball but has 10 defenders gunning for his ankles for 90 min, instead.
when it comes to being there for big games, what goes for Dinho goes for Kaka too - he is where he is supposed to be in big and small games alike, in the epicenter of things pulling strings for his team in midfield and attack and every single ball going thru him before it reaches the forwards.
His game at 22 - with no experience in European football at all (unlike CR who has been at ManU and in touch with top EU football since he was 18) - had much more substance and final product than CR could hope for even when he is 28 yo if he continues developing in this fashion.
kaka's game is about simplicity and efficiency and even at 22 yo he was a team player, not an attention seeking individual ... in fact, the only reason why, until this year, Kaka has somehow remained in the shadows of Dinho first and more recently C. Ronaldo is the lack of often pointless trickery that wows the not-so-shrude and easily impressionable portion of the fans worldwide, which I am sorry to say is by far the largest of the lot.
it took kaka ousting Dinho as the premiere face of the brazil NT and taking his #10 jersey and a footballing lesson in team work and efficiency and pure class to CR and his ManU that now, finally, the fans are starting to see him as something more than one of the better players around and possible the best out there ... If, however, kaka was proned to the effective brand of football CR and Dinho worship, I am sure that would have happened several years earlier, not that it matters to Milan.
granted, back then he was not as finely finished a product as he is now (although I bet he can/should still improve) but still there is no base for comparison between him at 22 and CR at 22 when it comes to styles of play and approach to a player's role on the field as part of a TEAM of 11 players.
All in all, I think how a player approaches a game - meaning whether he puts himself in service to his team or is just another talented glory hunter - comes down to the type of person you are, to the heart that beats under that jersey ... and these are things that I am not sure people learn.
As one of the British tabloids said after the game - Kaka was an example to CR in humility and what it means to be a down to earth person.
For me the only way CR could shake off that one-trick-pony image and take that extra big step to being a great player, not just an OT fan favorite, is to change as a person in his approach to the game ... IMO, that's his problem, not the lack of talent and ability, which is obviously there.
Easy there guys...gotta be the devil's advocate on this one....not that anyone should mind anyhow :D
First of all Kaka is better than CR7. I think that is pretty obvious. However he isn't head and shoulders better....just better. But Let's not forget that CR7 has his good qualities too
Speed :Cr7 > Kaka albeit marginally. Kaka doesn't look fast but he is nad when you can blow past a guy like Messi (WITH THE BALL) then you're closer to a corvette than a camry. CR7 looks faster than he truly is because he runs on his toes.
Vision : KAKA > CR7...when Kaka gets Seedorf's vision then he would be the most dangerous player ever....
Overall Technique: CR7> Kaka. I am only giving CR7 the edge because he takes and scores a lot of free-kicks. CR7 is also equally capable with both feet. Actually this is more Carlo's fault than KAKA :d55:
CR7 is better with both feet as well.
Versatility: Kaka>>>>> CR7. On the most crucial night of Milan's season Ancelotti decides that Kaka should strike....and the kid works even more magic..... Fergie tried to turn CR7 into a right sided forward....and we all know how that went :yuck:
Dribbling Kaka> Cr7 This might surprise you initially but consider this...who had more dribbling tricks....Denilson or Zidane? But whose dribbling was more effective?? I rest my case.
Shooting: KAKA by a mile. if you don't agree with this you have NEVER SEEN KAKA
So I agree that Kaka> CR7...but let's not get ahead of ourselves here. If we lost instead of won last night...my opinion would have reamined the same (as it does about Gila :uhm: )
Easy there guys...gotta be the devil's advocate on this one....not that anyone should mind anyhow :D
First of all Kaka is better than CR7. I think that is pretty obvious. However he isn't head and shoulders better....just better. But Let's not forget that CR7 has his good qualities too
Speed :Cr7 > Kaka albeit marginally. Kaka doesn't look fast but he is nad when you can blow past a guy like Messi (WITH THE BALL) then you're closer to a corvette than a camry. CR7 looks faster than he truly is because he runs on his toes.
Vision : KAKA > CR7...when Kaka gets Seedorf's vision then he would be the most dangerous player ever....
Overall Technique: CR7> Kaka. I am only giving CR7 the edge because he takes and scores a lot of free-kicks. CR7 is also equally capable with both feet. Actually this is more Carlo's fault than KAKA :d55:
CR7 is better with both feet as well.
Versatility: Kaka>>>>> CR7. On the most crucial night of Milan's season Ancelotti decides that Kaka should strike....and the kid works even more magic..... Fergie tried to turn CR7 into a right sided forward....and we all know how that went :yuck:
Dribbling Kaka> Cr7 This might surprise you initially but consider this...who had more dribbling tricks....Denilson or Zidane? But whose dribbling was more effective?? I rest my case.
Shooting: KAKA by a mile. if you don't agree with this you have NEVER SEEN KAKA
So I agree that Kaka> CR7...but let's not get ahead of ourselves here. If we lost instead of won last night...my opinion would have reamined the same (as it does about Gila :uhm: )
CR is not technically better than Kaka', his game is all about speed and stepovers. That works against most teams but put a player who can really tackle on him and he doesn't have the guile or ability to get away. Kaka' is the best player in the World at turning with the ball at his feet, he has subtle feints and a dramatic change of direction, his range of passing is vastly superior to CRs, his movement in and around the penalty area is also light years ahead and he's a better finisher. It's these subtle qualities that make Kaka' a better player, the ability to make time stand still and dictate a game. The fact that CR scores free kicks doesn't make him better technically.
zlatanov
03-05-2007, 10:54
Easy there guys...gotta be the devil's advocate on this one....not that anyone should mind anyhow :D
First of all Kaka is better than CR7. I think that is pretty obvious. However he isn't head and shoulders better....just better. But Let's not forget that CR7 has his good qualities too
well, then mention them :D
Speed :Cr7 > Kaka albeit marginally. Kaka doesn't look fast but he is nad when you can blow past a guy like Messi (WITH THE BALL) then you're closer to a corvette than a camry. CR7 looks faster than he truly is because he runs on his toes.
Cr has a funny and very wasteful, energy-wise way of running ... as you said, he looks much faster than he really is because he moves his legs very quickly but inefficiently.
Overall Technique: CR7> Kaka. I am only giving CR7 the edge because he takes and scores a lot of free-kicks. CR7 is also equally capable with both feet. Actually this is more Carlo's fault than KAKA :d55:
CR7 is better with both feet as well.
Kaka can score with both feet too - actually, VdS knows a thing or two about that ;)
In the air kaka is also better than CR, I think.
As for free kicks, Ronaldo is an average fk taker ... once every 30 or so attampts he manages to kick the ball in that "special" way of his but honestly it's nothing to salivate over.
As for kaka, i am sure he would be great at this too, especially from longer range given his strong and very precise shot, but in Milan it's seedorf and Pirlo who are the fk takers and that's that, for now.
Versatility: Kaka>>>>> CR7. On the most crucial night of Milan's season Ancelotti decides that Kaka should strike....and the kid works even more magic..... Fergie tried to turn CR7 into a right sided forward....and we all know how that went :yuck:
Dribbling Kaka> Cr7 This might surprise you initially but consider this...who had more dribbling tricks....Denilson or Zidane? But whose dribbling was more effective?? I rest my case.
Shooting: KAKA by a mile. if you don't agree with this you have NEVER SEEN KAKA
So I agree that Kaka> CR7...but let's not get ahead of ourselves here. If we lost instead of won last night...my opinion would have reamined the same (as it does about Gila :uhm: )
all in all, I don't see you saying anything dif from what was said already ... and yeah, Kaka is better by a mile because better means above all what your contribution to your team is and what the final product of your play is and not how many stepovers/game you can do before even your own fans have enough of it and start booing you :D
zlatanov
03-05-2007, 11:01
CR is not technically better than Kaka', his game is all about speed and stepovers. That works against most teams but put a player who can really tackle on him and he doesn't have the guile or ability to get away. Kaka' is the best player in the World at turning with the ball at his feet, he has subtle feints and a dramatic change of direction, his range of passing is vastly superior to CRs, his movement in and around the penalty area is also light years ahead and he's a better finisher. It's these subtle qualities that make Kaka' a better player, the ability to make time stand still and dictate a game. The fact that CR scores free kicks doesn't make him better technically.
well, I guess this says it all. All one needs is take a look at the range these players have in what Mehdi mentioned and it should be more than clear how much closer to being a complete player Kaka is and how limited CR is in the way he can influence a game.
When he is allowed space on the wings and time on the ball CR is great on his day, but cut that off and he is as useless as a bench player to the cause of his team.
ACMILAN1983
03-05-2007, 11:01
Easy there guys...gotta be the devil's advocate on this one....not that anyone should mind anyhow :D
First of all Kaka is better than CR7. I think that is pretty obvious. However he isn't head and shoulders better....just better. But Let's not forget that CR7 has his good qualities too
Speed :Cr7 > Kaka albeit marginally. Kaka doesn't look fast but he is nad when you can blow past a guy like Messi (WITH THE BALL) then you're closer to a corvette than a camry. CR7 looks faster than he truly is because he runs on his toes.
Vision : KAKA > CR7...when Kaka gets Seedorf's vision then he would be the most dangerous player ever....
Overall Technique: CR7> Kaka. I am only giving CR7 the edge because he takes and scores a lot of free-kicks. CR7 is also equally capable with both feet. Actually this is more Carlo's fault than KAKA :d55:
CR7 is better with both feet as well.
Versatility: Kaka>>>>> CR7. On the most crucial night of Milan's season Ancelotti decides that Kaka should strike....and the kid works even more magic..... Fergie tried to turn CR7 into a right sided forward....and we all know how that went :yuck:
Dribbling Kaka> Cr7 This might surprise you initially but consider this...who had more dribbling tricks....Denilson or Zidane? But whose dribbling was more effective?? I rest my case.
Shooting: KAKA by a mile. if you don't agree with this you have NEVER SEEN KAKA
So I agree that Kaka> CR7...but let's not get ahead of ourselves here. If we lost instead of won last night...my opinion would have reamined the same (as it does about Gila :uhm: )
I disagree with one of those. I'd say it's more like...
Technique: Kaka
The rest: agreed.
However, that's only comparing their technical abilities. Kaka's biggest strength is his ability to dominate games and be the driving force of the team. CRonaldo still doesn't have that edge and quality to his game, and is still not producing at the highest level. Kaka is also a lot harder to stop than Ronaldo, whose game is actually surprisingly easy to read and can be stopped dead with some smart tactical decisions. That was what happened in the tie.
Don't get me wrong, Ronaldo is good, but no way is he at the level Kaka is, nor would I say he's amongst the very best in the world. I agree with Zlatanov on this case, that if Ronaldo continues this progress, he'll never be able to reach those heights.
dont mean to interupt the cr7-kaka debate, but :
Reports in England suggest that Milan are lining up a massive bid for Chelsea skipper John Terry.
The Rossoneri are eager to take advantage of the fact that the player is in a contract dispute with the Blues, who have refused to grant him the same £121,000 a week handed out to Andriy Shevchenko and Michael Ballack.
The Sun reports that the London club are unwilling to improve their last offer to the defender, telling him that he can take it or leave it.
According to the English newspaper, Milan have given a top agent the task of negotiating a deal for the England captain and have asked Chelsea to name their price.
“We have been monitoring Terry and his situation with Chelsea and believe he would be an excellent and valuable player for Milan,” stated a senior Milan source.
The player’s contract with Chelsea expires in 2009 and he is now considering his options, after chief executive Peter Kenyon insisted the club could not offer any more than it already had.
Terry is currently valued at £25m, but could be available for a fee of only £10m next summer due to his precarious contract situation.
Barcelona and Inter are also thought to be interested in the player’s services and are expected to join the race to sign him if he were allowed to leave Stamford Bridge
More or less I think we agree on everything....but you guys must recognise that CR7 is three years younger than Kaka.....and while he isn't in the same class he is an amazing player nonetheless.
I think it's arrogant of us to say "once he's given the space.....blah blah blah" All good attackers are good or at least average in unlocking tight defences. In the first leg we gave him very tittle space as well and i think he did good too.
Personally I don't think he will truly surpass Kaka because his game is based on tricks and speed (as you rightly said). Having seen Platini, Zidane, Ronaldo, Baggio and a little guy called Maradonna, SerieA teams are not over-awed by these. Also I have more appreciation for Kaka's football mind/footbal intelligence if you will...than CR7's. Kaka played this was since he was 22 and though he has improved a lot since comming here...I could reasonably see a 22 year old Kaka do almost the same thing last night that the more polished 25 year old did.
I just don't think it's wise/sportmanlike to not acknowledge another's ability because they lost the battle. There is the however small possibility that th could grow to surpass Kaka and if only for this reason we must respect others. As for freekicks....I really don't know what is my obsession with them to be honest :D but I think that almost all the truly great attackers were good or at least decent with them.
They're almost equal in the air too. CR has scored quite a few headded goals recently...however if I were a defender I would rather mark CR7 because he is so much more frail than our boy :respect:
zlatanov
03-05-2007, 11:33
dont mean to interupt the cr7-kaka debate, but :
trying to get this thread back on topic, ha? :D
Not sure how "real" this rumour is as it was The SUN that came up with it in the first place.
He is an immense CD, IMO that is, but I am not sure about his commitment as a player ... never liked it when one player's "love" for a team, any team, is measured in greens.
I personally would prefer Alex over Terry, although they both are fine, fine defenders.
trying to get this thread back on topic, ha? :D
Not sure how "real" this rumour is as it was The SUN that came up with it in the first place.
He is an immense CD, IMO that is, but I am not sure about his commitment as a player ... never liked it when one player's "love" for a team, any team, is measured in greens.
I personally would prefer Alex over Terry, although they both are fine, fine defenders.
In Alex and Terry I'd take whoever is faster...we need some speed at te back to compensate fore Bonera who is otherwise an excellent defender
totti_jonaid
03-05-2007, 11:48
Instead of opening two new threads I have decided to post both the stories in one thread. Here they are:
1. Just when I thought that Gattuso has finally decided to stay in Milan and forget Man Utd for once,this story has offered us a new episode. It seems like this story will never end and Milan players favourite destiny is Premier league.
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=294839
2. Well read this article and it say it all.Sounds really good to me.
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=294772
None of this will happen. We better continue mercato discussion on mercato thread...
First of all, i don't want to be understood wrongly. I see Kaka as THE ONLY player who'll come close to/ or will be bigger than Maradona and Zidane. I don't see CR, not even Dinho comming close to them.
I'm not replying because you guys are overhyping Kaka, because you're not. The kid deserves every single compliment.
I reply because i see CR underestimated and i feel last 2 matches against Milan have huge influence on Your opinion.
Yes, CR was very bad, but why don't you ask yourself why was he so bad ?
Maybe because there was a guy named Gattuso next to him ? I can't prove it at this moment, but i think Kaka wouldn't have shined so bright if he had Gattuso following him all the time, like he did to CR.
The only time someone outplayed Rino in last years was Ronaldinho in Milano, last year.
Even Kaka didn't prove himself yet against top class defence.
Like i said, Kaka will also have the hardest time against Gattuso-Nesta , just like he was invisibile against Makelele-Vieira-Thuram-Gallas at the WC, and he never outplayed Vieira-Emerson-Cannavaro-Thuram-Zambrotta defence in serie A.
That's why i'm saying not to underestimate CR. The critics on him are very harsh, and i feel it's mostly because of the last match. It's not fair to judge him now.
Zidane at 22 was somewhere in Bordaux and wasn't even playing for French NT. Maradona at 22 was an extra talent who choked at the WC 1982 , just like Kaka was only big talent at 22.
CR at 22 is one of the best 5 players in the world, and it's not only because of the hype, it's because he deserved it. You can't expect him to be the leader who'll single handedly bring trophies. Noone did smthg like that at 22. Give him 3 more years to get the experience ( most of the all time best footballers gave their best at 25-27 years. Like Maradona, Zidane, Baggio etc ) and then we shall discuss how good CR is !
Stezagud
03-05-2007, 12:11
Terry is pretty slow but makes up for it with positional sense, he is one of those annoying defenders who always seems to be in the way. To be honest i havent seen enough of PSV to know if Alex is faster...
Ledley King is a top defender and quite underrated, he is very capable of making the step up to the big teams and i would love to see Milan go for him. If they want someone a bit cheaper then Titus 'Shambles' Bramble is available on a free this summer :D
, and he never outplayed Vieira-Emerson-Cannavaro-Thuram-Zambrotta defence in serie A.
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KAka' outplayed Viera every time he played against him. I was personaly at the San Siro against Inter when Milan lost 4-3 but KAka' toyed with Vieira.
Against Juve when Milan won at the San Siro 3-1, KAka' also destroyed Emerson-Vieira in the middle. They both were booked on him and Vieira should have been send off qas well, but didnt. If you look correctly, you will notice that Emerson NEVER managed to hold up Kaka' the way Rino did to C.Ronaldo.
Stezagud
03-05-2007, 12:20
Correct as usual Tony :5ok:
Ronaldo had a shadow permanently in Gattuso and was up against Milans top defenders bar Maldini. in contrast none of Utds central midfielders are naturally defensive, even Fletcher is more of a playmaker just converted for the role, thats why Utd want Hargreaves so much. The defence too was weak and disjointed, with no leader and no organisation, it was easy pickings for him really.
ACMILAN1983
03-05-2007, 13:15
drucurl and Tony, I don't think I'm underestimating Ronaldo at all. He is currently a very good player, and moreso, he's very talented. However, his game right now is based purely on his ability on the ball to run at defenders and his pace. I certainly don't rate him as a top 5 in the world player.
His age, I don't think is a massive factor either, because he's at this point a potentially great player, but potential is one thing, realising it is another, and right now, I'm not convinced he'll ever become what people think he will.
His footballing brain is decent (but nothing special) at best from what I've seen, but he doesn't manage to be able to deconstruct an opposition if they figure out how to stop his basic game, and he becomes inneffectual. I also think the hype surrounding him is similar to Rooney, players who in the media are tipped to become the next Pele or Maradona, but rarely do so. This season he's picking out his passes much better, but I've not seen anything to suggest he can pick out the killer pass or make the play that only select few can.
Best comparison I can give is Denilson. The Brazilian was supposedly going to become one of the very greats, he went to Spain on a world record deal and became one of the greatest flops in the game.
Should Ronaldo in the next few years mature and develop depth to his game, he has all the possibilities to become a great player, but right now I don't think he's doing enough to be put that high, nor do I think his personality will ever get him that high. If he can prove me wrong, then so be it. I'm not basing my opinion on his performance in the past few matches, but rather what I've seen of him since he joined United (and a little from when he was back in Sporting).
About Terry, I wouldn't take it seriously. The Sun is not a good source.
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