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Seedorf needs rotation to stay at top level. We can sucessfully rotate Seedorf-Ribery and Kaka'-Ribery....
mrki, seems like you've just sorted out our summer transfers ... etoo, huntelaar, ribery, alex and zambrotta :grinser:
zlatanov
13-05-2007, 15:37
mrki, seems like you've just sorted out our summer transfers ... etoo, huntelaar, ribery, alex and zambrotta :grinser:
why did you leave out Dinho, Alves, De Rossi/Diarra? :D
why did you leave out Dinho, Alves, De Rossi/Diarra? :D
i forgot Alves, Barusso, Ze Roberto and Carrizo ... but we don't need the other two, lets not be too greedy now :guw:
And you forgot Buffon also :)
Like Rosoneri_11 would say : "We need Ronaldinho, Eto'o, Buffon, Zambrotta, Alex, Ribery, Alves, Lampard, Gerrard, Cristiano Ronaldo, Pato, Lucas, Gago, Higuain, Robinho, Amelia, Akinfeev... and we're almost settled "
:grinser:
Btw, where is he lately ?
And you forgot Buffon also :)
Like Rosoneri_11 would say : "We need Ronaldinho, Eto'o, Buffon, Zambrotta, Alex, Ribery, Alves, Lampard, Gerrard, Cristiano Ronaldo, Pato, Lucas, Gago, Higuain, Robinho, Amelia, Akinfeev... and we're almost settled "
:grinser:
Btw, where is he lately ?
and all that is just for the January window too! :grinser:
ForeverMilan
13-05-2007, 16:02
considering Galliani said that we confirmed all players for next year,it seems we are dreaming.
if we sign only Suazzo,i would be exremely happy.
zlatanov
13-05-2007, 16:20
considering Galliani said that we confirmed all players for next year,it seems we are dreaming.
if we sign only Suazzo,i would be exremely happy.
not exactly, what I believe he said was that all major players are more than confirmed and Milan ha sno intention to negotiate their transfers ... that excludes at least 1/3 of the squad.
So, I guess we could go on with filling in the transfer sheets :D
ForeverMilan
13-05-2007, 16:23
if we talk about dream mercato,lets do it
buffon
Alves Lucio Alex Zambrotta
Ribery Lucho Deco Silva
Eto'o Villa
Subs:Gomes,ilsinho,Pato,Huntelaar,Nasri,Barusso
kastriot
13-05-2007, 16:29
if we talk about dream mercato,lets do it
buffon
Alves Lucio Alex Zambrotta
Ribery Lucho Deco Silva
Eto'o Villa
Subs:Gomes,ilsinho,Pato,Huntelaar,Nasri,Barusso
Guys sorry I have to do this, as our Most respected mod Zlatanov and his good friend Jim themselves are dreaming :grinser: :uhm:
The name of the thread is Summer Mercato not Fantasy Signing..... :grinser: :grinser:
I believe there is a thread of such content.
http://www.milanmania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12743&highlight=fanatasy
ForeverMilan
13-05-2007, 16:34
lets be realistic guys,if we win cl,dida will stay,so buffon wont come
then cafu renewed and we have 3 left wing back this is why no new wing backs
CB=We have so many CB's,i dont believe any would come,maybe someone to replace billy
DM:i believe barusso will come if brocchi goes to toro,but its very unlikely.
AM and CM=We just lack a back up for kaka but yet di gennaro could play down to next uefa rules.
Ricardo Oliveira will leave and new striker will arrive,but who?eto'o,suazo,e.tc.
i believe at maximum 3 players will come.
if we talk about dream mercato,lets do it
buffon
Alves Lucio Alex Zambrotta
Ribery Lucho Deco Silva
Eto'o Villa
Subs:Gomes,ilsinho,Pato,Huntelaar,Nasri,Barusso
Wow!!! this guy's playing waaay too much Fifa 07 :eekani:
Ok so even if he disliked Dida, Gila, Seedorf, Oli, Boriello, thinks mladini is too old, Kaladze, Cafu, Favalli, Serginho.......
Is he going to sell/loan/kill
Kaka, Superman (r9), Nesta, Gattuso, Bonera, Pirlo and Gorcuff? :dontkn:
ForeverMilan
13-05-2007, 16:39
Wow!!! this guy's playing waaay too much Fifa 07 :eekani:
Ok so even if he disliked Dida, Gila, Seedorf, Oli, Boriello, thinks mladini is too old, Kaladze, Cafu, Favalli, Serginho.......
Is he going to sell/loan/kill
Kaka, Superman (r9), Nesta, Gattuso, Bonera, Pirlo and Gorcuff? :dontkn:
drucull mate,im forevermilan/kaka of goal.com,remember me?i think there is misunderstanding between you and me,someone pointed out that rossoneri-11 said that milan needed to sign all big players,after that i created a team which consists of my dream transfers XL.thats all.
ForeverMilan
13-05-2007, 16:41
i have said that i would be exremely happy if we sign only Suazzo,this is why dreaming is another way and im on another way
Nah...we dont need Huntelaar if we get Eto'o :grinser:
I do realise we will not sign all of these players we as fans dream of but few of them would be nice... Carlo's wishes are Eto'o, Ribery and Alex, one player for every part of the team. Plus, Ze Roberto is free, Brazilian and old - he'll definetly join us! :grinser:
Seriously guys, I dont think we can get Alex, he'll play alongside Terry next year at Chelski. If we win and Carlo stays, we can expect some pushing for Ribery and Eto'o or Ronaldinho. About the minor transfers we could see Marzoratti and that Barusso guy maybe.
considering Galliani said that we confirmed all players for next year,it seems we are dreaming.
if we sign only Suazzo,i would be exremely happy.
Yes, i don't see a revolution comming, like i expected 1 month ago, and like it would have 100% happened if Bayern or even Manchester eliminated Milan.
The players Milan now has have proven to everyone ( except to my friend Mrki :grinser: ) how they are still the best ones and how they are still capable to win many trophies.
What Milan will do on the market ( imo) is something between being passive and being agresive and active.
Only the holes will be filled, nothing more.
Dida or going after Buffon is a big question but not the main one and i see Dida as Milan's first choice keeper next year also.
The defence is where Milan may invest. It still depends on Maldini's choice but nevertheless i think Galliani will try to get class to replace Maldini.
Zambrotta may be the second big name transfer. Lets not forget that Milan already did huge job by getting Oddo so now the defence doesn't need 2/3 starting XI purchases, but only one, or possibly 2, depending on how much Carlo and the directors trust Janku.
If Milan decides that Janku is good enough to be first choice LB then maybe Milan won't even try to get Zambro.
So, this is still not clear and Zambrotta's possibile transfer to Milan depends on the Janku decission.
For the midfield all is great, imo. But Berlusconi is in love with Dinho and it's very hard to predict what will happen. If Dinho comes then i can't imagine Ribery or similar class of players to join Milan.
If Dinho won't come then someone will be bought. Here, i also don't expect Ribery to be the one who'll join you and i also don't expect someone of Deco's, Lampard's or CR7 class to arive, but someone experienced, well known, reliable and of great quality who'll be more of a sub to Seedorf than a starter.
Attack also depends on Dinho's transfer. With Dinho comming then Milan will probably play with 1 striker. If it is 1 striker then i don't see heavy investments here because Ronaldo is great and Gila, even Pippo are more than enough for a team that plays with 1 attacker.
If Dinho won't come, then maybe this is going to be the place where the most expensive purchase will play.
Eto'o, Trez, Huntelaar or god knows who else.... someone will arive for sure.
Some players will leave but not from the starting XI .
Costacurta, Simic, Favalli....if they leave then i think players of similar quality will arive.
You can see it's very hard to predict anything now. Minimum 2 and maximum 3 players of great quality will come to Milan this year, but not 4 or 5 such players.
Who will this players be, we can only guess.
The CD is certain while Buffon, Zambrotta, Ronaldinho, Eto'o, Ribery.... i don't think more than 2 of them will come to Milan this summer, and my guess is only 1 of them will arive and it will make 2 world class players to join Milan, a central defender and one of the guys mentioned above !
Lets be honest now the only trophy Buffon really wants is the CL, he has two options open for him, either play for Inter or Milan. Now if the only medal you was missing was the CL, which team would you join? A team that atleast reaches the last 4 every year or a team that hasn't even won the cup since the 60's.
Or he could just wait till Juve end up in the CL a couple of years later, no matter how strong they are I cant see them finishing top 4. Ive got this funny feeling that if we win the CL then we are going to keep Dida, however if we loose then we are going to get Buffon.
zZ[-_-]Zz
13-05-2007, 16:59
Janku can always move into midfield if Zambrotta comes... so a move for Zambrotta is not dependent on Janku at all...
and Secco will sell Buffon to Milan... don't forget that Secco still listens to Moggi... and what did Moggi predict about Buffon? =)
no matter how strong Juve are I cant see them finishing top 4.
Why do you think so ? Seriously ?
I was also thinking about this and i realized that it's really possibile Juve not to be in top 4 no matter how much are stronger they are than Fiorentina or Lazio.
But my fear are the refs.
Are you also implying the refs will be the ones who'll stop Juve from top 4 ?
Because if Juve is really strong, then why wouldn't they finish top 4 ?
And regarding Buffon..... looks like he'll leave Juve. But why some of you are so convinced he'll leave Juve for Milan or Inter when Juve directors have said many times how there's absolutely no chance to sell Gigi to their rivals, Milan and Inter ?
zZ[-_-]Zz
13-05-2007, 17:07
plus... if you read what Tacconi had to say about Buffon stayin'... and later what Buffon seem to indicate about his future... it looks like an indirect reply to Tacconi...
Tacconi: i am convinced Buffon will stay in Juve because after Milan wins the CL this season... they will be unable to do so for the next 3 or 4 years... and Inter will never will it... while Juve will be able to do so within 2 seasons...
Buffon: we are not livin' in a dream world where within 1 season we can create a competitive team... this is more than just normal... it is expected... we will need 4 or 5 years to compete with the big teams...
kastriot
13-05-2007, 17:12
Why do you think so ? Seriously ?
And regarding Buffon..... looks like he'll leave Juve. But why some of you are so convinced he'll leave Juve for Milan or Inter when Juve directors have said many times how there's absolutely no chance to sell Gigi to their rivals, Milan and Inter ?
Its nice to hear from u that Buffon is leaving(thats inside info)..as you`re obviously Moggi`s best friend :grinser:.
And the reason why he`d go to Milan or Inter is player`s desire to play for Italian team. However Directors may decide not to do so,but I dont think they will go against the desire of their best and most loyal player.
And I dont see any club outside Italy wanting Buffon, they all resolved the GK issues.... only Barca might just go for him I guess.
Zz']
and Secco will sell Buffon to Milan... don't forget that Secco still listens to Moggi... and what did Moggi predict about Buffon? =)
Don't forget a man who was expelled from Juventus and who's trying in every possibile way to hurt Juve is the one who said Secco still listens to Moggi.
The reaction from the other coaches and people involved in Italian football was enough for me to conclude that this new Juve has absolutely nothing to do with Moggi. ( Although i do want Moggi in Juve, but ONLY as a transfers advisor)
After the latest accusations ( by that man whose name i always forget) they all said how the new Juve is clean unlike the Juve of Moggi era.
As for Jankulovski-Zambrotta, there are so many possibilities. Milan will probably chose Zambrotta over Jankulovski, but in that case Janku won't be transfered to midfield. He'll simply become Zambro's sub.
But if Milan decides to stick with Janku, then it will be because they count on him to play LB, not to put him in the midfield. In this case i don't think Milan will buy Zambrotta.
It's very early and none of us know what will be decided at the end.
The outcome of the CL final will be a big factor in Milan's transfer policy.
Most things will be clear after May 23rd
No Tony....I have the trust in Milan players but we do need to work on few things...:)
I'll try to sum it up a bit...
Presenting....Rossoneri summer mercato 2007...by Mrki :grinser:
DEFENCE:
Billy will retire, Maldini cant play all the time and is not injury prone ( aldough he will undergo a knee surgery during the summer..), Simic really wants out, Favalli is like 35, Cafu (aldough he signed a new contract ) is 36, Serginho 35 I think... We could really use some fresh players as we will eventually need to replace all of those legends that we have now in our squad... not more than one class defender dough! Zambrotta would be a bonus in the case Favalli and Serginho leave the club...Marzoratti may be back from loan(aldough we will have Oddo and CAfu so that is questionable...) WILL FAVALLI STAY, does anybody know?
MIDFIELD:
Carlo's wish is Ribery, of course that means no Ronaldinho, which is just fine by me. Ribery is a player that Milan could go for if they decide to splash the "Ronaldinho " cash on few players...Last summer Milan has been linked with Ze Roberto, and rumours said we already signed a contract with him but he broke his leg. Now, he will be a free player in the summer and I expect that he will join Milan, aldough media hasnt been talking much about him.
Milan will most likely loan or sell Brocchi to Torino as we are some kind of "partners" with them, also, some media are talking about Gourcuff going to loan... Barusso is supposed to be our player, but it doesnt need to mean he'll join us this summer. We have great power in Seedorf( when he is rested!), Kaka', Pirlo, Gattuso, Ambrosini...we only need one or two most.
STRIKERS:
Huh... this will be fun!
First - we sell Ronaldo! ( this is the part of the film where Drucurl comes rushing in with a gun and I start running like hell...)... kidding, Ronaldo stays! The man can score. For me its enough....
IF Milan somehow buys Ronaldinho, then for sure we'll not go for any new strikers but we'll stay with Ronaldo,Gila,Pippo...Oliveira and Boriello will probably go ( please sell Oliveira!!! ". We'll also get some 4th striker as always... Aubumeyang maybe,
IF we dont sign Berlusconi's wish player, we'll probably go for some good striker like Eto'o or Sheva.
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So...my prediction...
DEFENCE: Marzoratti, some CD, maybe some fullback ( that depends of the situation with Favalli and Serginho...)
MIDFIELD: Ze Roberto, some fast and versatile midfielder if we dont sign Ronaldinho.
STRIKERS: Again, if Dinho comes, nothing. If not - something :)
At MOST, we'll sign 5 players, 2 of them will be strict backup.
zlatanov
13-05-2007, 17:15
Why do you think so ? Seriously ?
I was also thinking about this and i realized that it's really possibile Juve not to be in top 4 no matter how much are stronger they are than Fiorentina or Lazio.
But my fear are the refs.
Are you also implying the refs will be the ones who'll stop Juve from top 4 ?
Because if Juve is really strong, then why wouldn't they finish top 4 ?
And regarding Buffon..... looks like he'll leave Juve. But why some of you are so convinced he'll leave Juve for Milan or Inter when Juve directors have said many times how there's absolutely no chance to sell Gigi to their rivals, Milan and Inter ?
I think Juve will need at least 2-3 years to get to the level of Milan, Inter, Roma, provided that these 3 don't mess things up by changing coaches etc.
The reason I am saying this is that there are 4 players who have been dragging Juve forward this season - Buffon, DP, Trez, and Nedved.
Trez is almost sure to leave, Buffon's future at Juve is also in doubt and even if he stays I am not sure it would be because he really wants to (kind of get the feeling he doesn't have confidence in the new management as they seem to be more talk than action, unlike their predecessors, who were all action ... probably a bit too much of that ;)).
The heart of the field team are Nedved and DP - these 2 players may well be retiring (Nedved has all but confirmed that) in a year or two and even next season their contribution to the team will be seriosuly tested as they are getting old, really old ... especially for CL football.
All in all, replacements will have to be found and many of those ... that could cause seriosu issues with continuity as basically an entirely new "core" would have to be established and the management will have to be very shrude with the transfers - and the money too - otherwise they risk in getting in an Inter-like vacuum for years.
If the new guys at the helm are competent enough, I guess Juve could have a good chance of fighting for 4th spot as they may well have enough resources to oust teams like Lazio, Fiorentina, and Palermo, who I see as the group of teams below the 3 big.
People, Juve will be in top 4, be sure of it! Its JUVE, if Moggi isnt here, it doesnt mean that the people that hired Moggi arent. Not all is transparent in Itaklian football, I have no fears about Juve. For sure, they will not be champions next year, but in 2 or 3 years, they'll fight for the scudetto with Milan. They know what to do.
Yes, Zlat, i know all this :)
The guy above said that no matter how strong Juve is they won't finish 4th. I asked him why does he thinks so, why if Juve's very strong they won't be 4th?
Chances are Juve to be even weaker than Lazio next year and not get the 4th place, not even the 5th.
As for competing with Inter and Milan - it's utopia, at least for the next 2-3 years, even if Juve keeps Trez, Buffon and the other stars and even if Juve buys 3 more very good players ! Inter and Milan will be much stronger in any case.
Edit : Hey Zlatanov. In some 5-10 minutes i'll send you a PM with a question for you.
Please don't leave now. I need your help :)
ForeverMilan
13-05-2007, 17:27
it depents on serginho,if milan management still believes in serginho,if they believe that he can rediscovered his old form at LB forget Zambrotta!!!!!
Marzoratti,i forgot him yep,he could replace simicor billy next year,it would be great
Favalli?he can stay or he can leave as well,everything is unsure.
The reason I am saying this is that there are 4 players who have been dragging Juve forward this season - Buffon, DP, Trez, and Nedved.
Tony Zlat more or less answered part of your quote, you have been pretty comfortable in Seria B this season however Seria A is a whole new change I dont think it will be the same as this season, you must remember alot of your team has left. You will need few years to get back to the stage of competing in the CL, Buffon will most certainly leave, as so will DT. The other two as Zlat said are getting old and I dont think can carry Juve like they have done previously. I dont think you will be ablt to compete with the likes of the top four, including Lazio. I think even Lazio will be too strong for Juve this season unless you can pull out some sort of miracle in the summer and improve your team drastically.
Lets think about it now, if Buffon was to leave who would you sell him then too? Roma? Oh please. Juve want alot of money and I dont think Buffon wants to leave Italy, the money your after no team outside Italy will be willing to pay. If he was to leave then I think he will be joining the San Siro which side Im not 100% certain.
curry chicken
13-05-2007, 18:17
I for one am not into the "Ronaldinho" thing. Everybody and his grandmother's dog knows about his brilliance, but that doesn't mean we need him. I'd like us to spend more time fielding the young talents on our bench (Gourcuff, Grimi, primavera stand-outs) rather than buy a superstar. Just my humble opinion.
I'm not sure what Serginho's future with the team is. Cafu's signed an extension and he's older than he is. Will we know before the summer?
If Franck Ribery were to join Milan...I would gladly help give him a makeover. :D There is nothing a little Milan Lab magic can't work on the wee one. Yes, I'm a sucker for French players.
If Lazio makes it to CL, then remember my words : Lazio will hardly get UEFA spot next year.
If Juve won't make a strong team then Fiorentina will be the most serious candidate for the last CL place next year.
Lazio, in all honesty, took the 3rd ( 4th) place ( and they would have been 5th if there were no pts penalties) against all odds. They are solid team with good coach but they are still far behind the top trio+Fiorentina.
And this year they weren't playing in Europe. For a team like Lazio playing in serie A and Champions League is way too much.
The same thing happened with Udinese 1 year ago. Do you guys remember how they hardly escaped relegation last year ?
Even if Lazio buys few more players, financially ( even with CL participation money) they can't allow buying great players, not even very good players. They can buy only average.
Don't fear Lazio next year.
As for who will get the 4th place next year.....always count on Juve. Fiorentina invested a lot in last years. They deserved to play CL and with the points they got both last and this year they should have been in CL.
With Calciopoli Fiorentina , like Juve, lost a lot of money.
All the money invested in the team never came back because they missed on CL. Selling Luca Toni is logical outcome of what happened in last 2 years. Not only they will sell Toni but they won't replace him and they will also lose few more starting XI players ( Dainelli is sure to leave and few more will follow).
Juve only benefits from Viola's problems and from Lazio's "appearance" in Champions League.
Now, Juve does have a lot of money to spend on the transfer market. If Buffon leaves( as much good Buffon is, he's still a goalkeeper. Important position, but certanly not as important as CD, CM or SC positions) and if Trez also leaves then Juve will have over 100m just to spend on transfers.
Not being in CL is a handicap. Juve has the money but can't buy the best out there. Still, very good players will be bought and these players will imo be enough to compete and beat the rivals for 4th place.
And another thing at the end - Never underestimate the motivation Juve players will have. Do you think there will be a more motivated team in Italy next year ?
Juve won't play in Europe and can concentrate only on serie A.
These are the reasons why you must count on Juve to win the 4th place next year !
These are the reasons why you must count on Juve to win the 4th place next year !
Some good points made tony, I guess we will just have to wasit and see. However being linked with mickey mouse players who are worth 5 mill wont bring miracles.
drucull mate,im forevermilan/kaka of goal.com,remember me?i think there is misunderstanding between you and me,someone pointed out that rossoneri-11 said that milan needed to sign all big players,after that i created a team which consists of my dream transfers XL.thats all.
dude I get that but can none of our players make your list?? not even subs??
zlatanov
13-05-2007, 22:12
dream transfers - meaning players that are NOT in Milan already :)
that above was not his favourate team but rather a formation of players he would like to see come to milan and join the other star players already here.
:D
dream transfers - meaning players that are NOT in Milan already :)
that above was not his favourate team but rather a formation of players he would like to see come to milan and join the other star players already here.
:D OIC MY bad ;) sorry :respect:
(that's a whole lot of dreaming though :D )
ForeverMilan
14-05-2007, 06:07
we really need eto'o,maybe we dont need ribery that much if we sign eto'o alone
Marzoratti
Alex maybe
Lucko or barusso maybe
Eto'o is a must,if we dont manage to sign him and however,i already stated i'd would be very happy if we sign only suazzo
i dont see us signing a back up for kaka since we have to play some youngsters next year,Marzoratti and Di Gennaro.
Regarding Gourcuff,i really dont want him leave milan,since it would better for him to complete his progress by training and learning something from kaka and seedorf,yet seems Toro wants to loan him and brocchi,he will get playing time at there for always.
Regarding Galliani,he could do some stupid movings,like sending gourcuff to toro then signing ze Roberto,or signing tuncay sanli who is free agent to replace oliveira or borriello.
rosoneri_11
14-05-2007, 06:10
drucull mate,im forevermilan/kaka of goal.com,remember me?i think there is misunderstanding between you and me,someone pointed out that rossoneri-11 said that milan needed to sign all big players,after that i created a team which consists of my dream transfers XL.thats all.
You are talking about rossoneri-11 not for me? I'm right?
ForeverMilan
14-05-2007, 06:13
You are talking about rossoneri-11 not for me? I'm right?
did you say that we need all big players?if you do,i talked about you or if you dont i dont talk about you
rosoneri_11
14-05-2007, 06:29
did you say that we need all big players?if you do,i talked about you or if you dont i dont talk about you
Look, my name is rosoneri_11 not rossoneri-11.
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So for wich one are you talking about?About him or for me?
zlatanov
14-05-2007, 06:35
yeah, it's about you ... people just like your list of transfer targets, that's all ;)
_MaJi_tz
14-05-2007, 08:58
Lucas Leiva in Liverpool 99%
bad news for us
Lucas Leiva, 20enne centrocampista della nazionale brasiliana Under 20 e del Gremio, passera' al Liverpool a luglio: "Non mi aspettavo di lasciare cosi' presto il Brasile ma l'offerta che ho ricevuto era irrinunciabile".
rosoneri_11
14-05-2007, 09:02
ForeverMilan with no offense...
1)First of all thats the "Summer Mercato" thread and not the " Fantasy Signings" thread.
ForeverMilan if you have seen my posts in " Fantasy Signings" thread then you had just tangled the threads with that.
2)ForeverMilan i can't accept your answer wich is :"did you say that we need all big players?if you do,i talked about you or if you dont i dont talk about you".Thats not an answer, you must be correct yes or no... you can't answer to me like this.
3)My name is "rosoneri_11" and not "rossoneri-11", so if you are talking to me you must be correct my friend.And give me direct answers not " did you say that we need all big players?if you do,i talked about you or if you dont i dont talk about you".
Gigi Buffon did not sound very optimistic about the idea of remaining at Juve next year, especially since the Bianconeri will not be competing for any major European honours.
However, once again, Cobolli Gigli stated that the Old Lady has no intention of selling her star player and will do everything to keep him in Turin.
"We shall meet Buffon at the end of the season to find an agreement, but we never had any intention of selling him. We want to continue our rapport with Gigi also next year, and I think that no offer will make us change our mind.
"Buffon is a fundamental player for Juve and we shall not lose him, not even for huge offers."
Cobolli Gigli also spoke about the transfer market in general which will see Juventus searching for quality players this summer to build a strong side for next year’s Serie A campaign.
"We don't need to sell our champions to obtain cash: we already have the money to make excellent purchases and we shall do them.
"There was an important investment with the increase in capital, which will become real in June. We can also count on the sales of players on loan and from the youth system.
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=302961
I don't know what I hate more: This saga, or the one about Ronaldinho. I wish that they end ASAP, one way or another, doesn't matter really. I'm tired of reading buff/ron want to go one day, the next they want to stay, the next their clubs want to sell them, the next they dont....argh
GilAttack [11]
14-05-2007, 10:55
I will repeat: Carlos Tevez.
I will say for the first time: We don't buy Argentinians :D
I will say for the first time: We don't buy Argentinians :D
I agree with it!
And Milan don´t need more forwards, just a manager who knows how to work with the great players that Milan already have
_MaJi_tz
14-05-2007, 12:18
Muntari ‘will join’ Portsmouth
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/may14l.html
After Lucas we lose another ours target for DM now its time for lucho gonzales or de rossi (ps Ancheloti said befor 2,3days that de rossi is best dm in world)
zlatanov
14-05-2007, 12:41
wouldn't call him a target, simply an option, one of many ... and it's not like we "lost' the guy a european great ... that just about shows how much we wanted him ;)
GilAttack [11]
14-05-2007, 12:53
I agree with it!
And Milan don´t need more forwards, just a manager who knows how to work with the great players that Milan already have
Milan doesnt need any more fowards? Mmmm....ok.
:rolleyes:
And we should get rid of brasilian crap like Cafu, Ricardo Oliveira and Dida. Only keep Kaka, and Ronaldo if he can keep fitness.
Its about Milan, not Brasil or Argentina.
i was only joking :D last summer i was one of rare MM members who were cheering for milan to sign tevez. I just can't see it actually happening.
hishamilan
14-05-2007, 13:50
i think that huntelaar will catch up on muntari and lucas because man u has offered ajax 17. mil offer yesterday cant wait till lucho gonsales join real madrid rossi to barca and chris to chelsea and then galliani would hurry up at the last day of summer to get us some 30-32 years old brazilian heading to qatar !!!!!!!!
GilAttack [11]
14-05-2007, 14:15
i was only joking :D last summer i was one of rare MM members who were cheering for milan to sign tevez. I just can't see it actually happening.
Why not? After he signed for West Ham it was reported that Milan actually made a move for him, or at least showed interest. And now that he is hitting the market again, its time to get him while we can. Its reported that Real Madrid are in the mix, same for Liverpool and Chelsea.
And Tevez (argentinen) is loved in Brasil and England. I mean, you have to be very good to accomplish that. Obviously Im refering to Corinthians and West Ham fans.
From an article:
Sky Bet have installed Liverpool as 3/1 favourites to snap up West Ham saviour Carlos Tevez for the start of next season.
Tevez was instrumental in the Hammers' escape act which saw them seal Premiership survival on the final day of the campaign with a 1-0 victory over champions Manchester United.
He scored the winner in that match and six goals in total in the final nine games but the speculation has already started as to where he will ply his trade next term.
Sky Bet make the Argentine 4/1 to be playing for Chelsea, 9/2 for Barcelona and 6/1 for Manchester United.
It's an 8/1 chance he's still with the Hammers on the opening day of the next Premiership season.
zlatanov
14-05-2007, 14:31
I think he will move to one of the 3 big spenders in the EPL - Chelski, ManU and now Liverpool with their new ownership.
After all, the main reason why he and Mascherano were shipped to a mediocre EPl team in the first place was make the rich clubs there salivate over them and open their wallets.
The transfer fee his agent will be able to get from a move to another EPL team would be definitely higher than if he was to move abroad (no European team would pay 18 mil BP for a player like carrick, just one example) ... probably only Real M could rival that given how careless they are with their money.
That's not to say Milan won't show interest but I doubt Milan would jump into a bidding war for with the EPL candidates for his siggy.
']Milan doesnt need any more fowards? Mmmm....ok.
:rolleyes:
And we should get rid of brasilian crap like Cafu, Ricardo Oliveira and Dida. Only keep Kaka, and Ronaldo if he can keep fitness.
Its about Milan, not Brasil or Argentina.
Sure, get rid of them and hire argentin crap like Coloccini (again), Tevez and Pato Abondanzieri :uhm:
Milan don´t need get rid with all of that players, Cafú shall be good for 1 more season just playing sometimes, a team like Milan need good players to substitute and he is even useful to stay inside of a players rotation
For sure Milan needs a new offensive side player like Daniel Alves
Ricardo Oliveira is a amazing player, he is just living a bad moment like Gilardino and Inzaghi, it´s not that easy to play when Ancelotti is the manager
Dida still being useful, the only goakepper better than he in Italy is Buffon
The place for argentins is Internazionale, a team that they live with a assassin like Materazzi, a player with no ethic like Adriano and all of them can do shames in Champions League with their violence
Don't be suprised if you see more Brasilians than Argentinians in Inter next year.
At the moment they have 8 Argies but 2 of them are on loan and may return to their clubs ( Gonzalez and Crespo), while Samuel's and Cruz's, even Burdisso's ,future in Inter isn't certain.
And since their Brasilian colony is growing with each year passing ( now they have Adriano, Maicon, Julio Cesar and Maxwell) , i won't exclude the possibility few more Brasilians to arive there and to "beat" the Argies.
Oh well, atleast chelsea wont be spending money like crazy
they're going to leave that 2 us
']Why not? After he signed for West Ham it was reported that Milan actually made a move for him, or at least showed interest. And now that he is hitting the market again, its time to get him while we can. Its reported that Real Madrid are in the mix, same for Liverpool and Chelsea.
And Tevez (argentinen) is loved in Brasil and England. I mean, you have to be very good to accomplish that. Obviously Im refering to Corinthians and West Ham fans.
From an article:
Sky Bet have installed Liverpool as 3/1 favourites to snap up West Ham saviour Carlos Tevez for the start of next season.
Tevez was instrumental in the Hammers' escape act which saw them seal Premiership survival on the final day of the campaign with a 1-0 victory over champions Manchester United.
He scored the winner in that match and six goals in total in the final nine games but the speculation has already started as to where he will ply his trade next term.
Sky Bet make the Argentine 4/1 to be playing for Chelsea, 9/2 for Barcelona and 6/1 for Manchester United.
It's an 8/1 chance he's still with the Hammers on the opening day of the next Premiership season.
I'm sorry but where are you from?
Do you know who are the Corinthians idols?
Marcelinho Carioca, Vampeta, Ricardinho and much others hateful players that would never be idols in a decent team
Exemples for it:
Marcelinho Carioca cheated with Corinthians before he go out for the first time before say: "Corinthian's shirt is my second skin"
Even with it, he came back to the team and the fans did a huge reception for Marcelinho Carioca, like he were Messias coming down from the sky in Jerusalem
Tevez started to don´t go to Corinthians training to travel to Buenos Aires and dance tango
But even doing it, they keep being Corinthians fans idols
Everybody here in Brazil even made jokes with Tevez and the love that Corinthians fans have about he
Do you know why Tevez went out of Boca Juniors to go to Corinthians?
Because he "weren't supporting him fame in Argentina"
What the hell is this appologise? So if Tevez were famous like Beckham what he would do? Kill himself? That was worse than Shevchenko's appologise!
By the way, Tevez said that would give a part of the money that MSI (Coritnhians illegal partner company) payed for him to Boca Juniors but the argentin team never saw this money
Do you really think that a team that have idols like Rivera, Baresi, Costacurta, Albertini, Maldini, etc, deserve Tevez?
Oh, c'mon!
Tevez is the perfect player for Internazionale
ForeverMilan
14-05-2007, 15:10
Ricardo Oliveira could be very good player but thats sure he is not at milan's calibre.
Ricardo Oliveira could be very good player but thats sure he is not at milan's calibre.
He is playing in the same level of Inzaghi and Gilardino
Aren´t those 2 italians at Milan's calibre too?
The truth is that Ancelotti only know how to "work" with high level players that make all by theirselves like Shevchenko, Ronaldo, Kaká, etc
Crespo were a exception
ForeverMilan
14-05-2007, 15:26
Regarding gila and pippo,they are 3rd choice and 4th choice for strikers,i dont mind if they are at milan's calibre,its so that inzaghi scored great goal vs bayern and gila scored so many goals in serie a,while oliveira did nothing,he just hitting the bar or send the ball to tribune,i criticise gila just because of he misses too much,in the past gila could score 2 goals out of 4 positions and however now he could score 1 goals out of 10 position,then regarding inzaghi,he is too old to play at highest level but still more deadly than oliveira.
Yet oliveira could be very dangerous in a team that could find so many space while other 9 players stay at back and leave oliveira do his thiing,counterattack,i just wanted to say he could be a very good player but he didnt adjust milan's system or formation,i wish we couldnt sign him last summer.
Regarding gila and pippo,they are 3rd choice and 4th choice for strikers,i dont mind if they are at milan's calibre,its so that inzaghi scored great goal vs bayern and gila scored so many goals in serie a,while oliveira did nothing,he just hitting the bar or send the ball to tribune,i criticise gila just because of he misses too much,in the past gila could score 2 goals out of 4 positions and however now he could score 1 goals out of 10 position,then regarding inzaghi,he is too old to play at highest level but still more deadly than oliveira.
Yet oliveira could be very dangerous in a team that could find so many space while other 9 players stay at back and leave oliveira do his thiing,counterattack,i just wanted to say he could be a very good player but he didnt adjust milan's system or formation,i wish we couldnt sign him last summer.
I didn´t meaned that Inzaghi and Gilardino are bad players, I like both of them and I know they are very nice players
I just tryed to show you that Ancelotti is the problem and not the players
It´s the singer, not the song
Blacktop
14-05-2007, 17:49
']And we should get rid of brasilian crap like [...] Dida.
Oh, please. Yeah, let's get rid of someone who's helped us to three CL finals in five seasons, and sign some ballbuster like German Lux. :rolleyes: You're clearly of the narrow-sighted school that only focuses on his mistakes.
And perhaps we should dump Gila too, while we're at it, since, more often than not, he's been as useful as a three-legged cat.
Oh, please. Yeah, let's get rid of someone who's helped us to three CL finals in five seasons, and sign some ballbuster like German Lux. :rolleyes: You're clearly of the narrow-sighted school that only focuses on his mistakes.
And perhaps we should dump Gila too, while we're at it, since, more often than not, he's been as useful as a three-legged cat. I think that is an insult to 3 legged cats everywhere :D
GilAttack [11]
14-05-2007, 22:57
Oh, please. Yeah, let's get rid of someone who's helped us to three CL finals in five seasons, and sign some ballbuster like German Lux. :rolleyes: You're clearly of the narrow-sighted school that only focuses on his mistakes.
And perhaps we should dump Gila too, while we're at it, since, more often than not, he's been as useful as a three-legged cat.
Yeah, and Cafu won so many things. But thats yesterday, past. Present, Dida is mediocre and makes plenty of mistakes. Lux is even worse than Dida.
GilAttack [11]
14-05-2007, 23:04
I'm sorry but where are you from?
Do you know who are the Corinthians idols?
Marcelinho Carioca, Vampeta, Ricardinho and much others hateful players that would never be idols in a decent team
Exemples for it:
Marcelinho Carioca cheated with Corinthians before he go out for the first time before say: "Corinthian's shirt is my second skin"
Even with it, he came back to the team and the fans did a huge reception for Marcelinho Carioca, like he were Messias coming down from the sky in Jerusalem
Tevez started to don´t go to Corinthians training to travel to Buenos Aires and dance tango
But even doing it, they keep being Corinthians fans idols
Everybody here in Brazil even made jokes with Tevez and the love that Corinthians fans have about he
Do you know why Tevez went out of Boca Juniors to go to Corinthians?
Because he "weren't supporting him fame in Argentina"
What the hell is this appologise? So if Tevez were famous like Beckham what he would do? Kill himself? That was worse than Shevchenko's appologise!
By the way, Tevez said that would give a part of the money that MSI (Coritnhians illegal partner company) payed for him to Boca Juniors but the argentin team never saw this money
Do you really think that a team that have idols like Rivera, Baresi, Costacurta, Albertini, Maldini, etc, deserve Tevez?
Oh, c'mon!
Tevez is the perfect player for Internazionale
LOL, I guess my idols cant be Jordan or Maradona or Pele or Magic Johnson or.....they all have human miseries. Wow, what a terrible fan I am.
rosoneri_11
15-05-2007, 05:18
Juventus have deal for Roma defender Chivu
tribalfooball.com - May 15, 2007
Juventus have struck personal terms with Roma defender Cristian Chivu.
Tuttosport says Juve are stepping up plans to prise the Romania international away from the capital this summer.
Juve are said to have agreed four-year deal with Chivu's representatives worth £10 million and is now planning to open talks with Roma about a fee for the defender.
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tribalfootball? :grinser: why do you read it?
rosoneri_11
15-05-2007, 06:18
tribalfootball? :grinser: why do you read it?
I know that the 80% of tribal football are rubbish but the title "Juventus have deal for Roma defender Chivu " made me feel very strange because they don't say that Chivu is their target but they have a deal for Roma defender Chivu.
I hope is rubbish!
It is rubbish. I can't guarantee that Juve won't buy Chivu someday, but from all the news agencies and football sites in the world it's simply not possibile Tribal to be the first ones who found out about this.
Invented story by some tribalfootball "journalist", that's what this is.
:r11: :r11: :r11: :r11:
^ how tribalfootball journalists gets their news. Don't blame them blame Warro :D
Something else from Tribal, but they took this from Controcampo:
AC Milan are interested in Cesena sensation Ndiaye Papa Waigo.
The Senegal international has struck 15 goals in Serie B this season and has attracted interest from Palermo and Napoli.
ControCampo says Milan chiefs Ariedo Braida and Adriano Galliani are also discussing Papa Waigo and pondering a move for the centre-forward.
I watched this attacker 3 times this season. It's hard to give an opinion when the matches i watched him play were in serie B , but he was playing against Juventus and Genoa ( the best 2 teams in B) so it doesn't make any big difference.
He was very good, i'd even say he was great on those matches .
23 years, fast, good technique and with rare goal instinct. He has "only" 15 goals scored in serie B, but it still makes him the second best scorer after Del Piero , if we don't count goals scored from PK.
He's perfect for 4th choice striker in Milan, although i think he deserves more and the best choice for him would be to join some other mid-table serie A team where he can be in starting XI .
zlatanov
15-05-2007, 08:16
Intanto la società rossonera sta chiudendo con l'attaccante del Cesena, Papa Waigo, che giocherebbe all'Empoli la prossima stagione per prendere il posto di Nicola Pozzi, in procinto di tornare a Milanello per giocarsi le sue chance.
if the above is to be believed, Milan is supposedly finishing up the Waigo transfer and will send him to Empoli to take Pozzi's place, who will have another shot at Milan.
TUTTO MERCATO says that Waigo will be loaned to Empoli and Pozzi will return to Milan so he can play his chances for a place in the team
I think Pozzi is better than Boriello
ForeverMilan
15-05-2007, 08:57
it seems we already decided 3 young players for next year,Pozzi,Marzoratti and di gennaro.
I heard some Inter fans say that they some kind of deal with Kaka and we snatched him before they did, it was either that or we had a partnership with them over Kaka, is this true? Or just total rubbish?
']LOL, I guess my idols cant be Jordan or Maradona or Pele or Magic Johnson or.....they all have human miseries. Wow, what a terrible fan I am.
Each team and each person have the idols that deserve
Personally, players like Materazzi, Poulsen, Behrami and Maradonna would never be a idol for me
I know that Maradonna were a amazing player but a idol shall be more than it
Tevez can be a idol in a team that have a Materazzi as a idol but never in a team that have Maldini as it
This is the same difference between São Paulo and Corinthians
São Paulo idols are Raí, Rogério Ceni, Lugano, Careca, Toninho Cerezo, Telê Santana... Corinthians idols are Marcelinho Carioca, Ricardinho, Vampeta, Luxemburgo...
If Milan can hire players like Huntelaar and Pazzini or even try to make the forwards that already have work out, why hire a player that don´t have any ethic and can start fights in the team?
Leave Tevez for Internazionale and keep Milan being a team of gentlemen
Blacktop
15-05-2007, 11:27
Anything from Tribalfeces is for entertainment purposes only.
GilAttack [11]
15-05-2007, 11:33
Each team and each person have the idols that deserve
Personally, players like Materazzi, Poulsen, Behrami and Maradonna would never be a idol for me
I know that Maradonna were a amazing player but a idol shall be more than it
Tevez can be a idol in a team that have a Materazzi as a idol but never in a team that have Maldini as it
This is the same difference between São Paulo and Corinthians
São Paulo idols are Raí, Rogério Ceni, Lugano, Careca, Toninho Cerezo, Telê Santana... Corinthians idols are Marcelinho Carioca, Ricardinho, Vampeta, Luxemburgo...
If Milan can hire players like Huntelaar and Pazzini or even try to make the forwards that already have work out, why hire a player that don´t have any ethic and can start fights in the team?
Leave Tevez for Internazionale and keep Milan being a team of gentlemen
Team of gentlemen? Hah, I guess you dont know who our players are. Really.
If Maradona cant qualify like "idol", then I dont think any soccer player can carry that label. I want players that bring trophies to Milan, not role models that dont know about the game. If not, just phone Galliani and tell him Im ready to go.
Tevez played for 3 teams in his carrer and those teams' fans have the highest regard for him. And Im sure that if he comes to Milan, the same will happen.
But since he seems close to agreeing with Real Madrid, its a moot point.
ghostweed
15-05-2007, 11:43
I asked Kaka in FM2007 who he thought we should buy, and he said none other than his compatriot Dani Alves, so I ("Carlo Ancelloti") promptly bought him for a cut price 24M.
If I really was Carlo I really would be asking Galliani for Alves, though perhaps 24M is a bit unrealistic, but I do think that Alves offers a lot of tactical flexibilty because he can play as full back or in front of a more defensive full back.
Only, sometimes the midfield looks worryingly narrow, and the squad is skewed towards predominantly left-sided players.
But then if Cafu has renewed...
Each team and each person have the idols that deserve
Personally, players like Materazzi, Poulsen, Behrami and Maradonna would never be a idol for me
I know that Maradonna were a amazing player but a idol shall be more than it
Tevez can be a idol in a team that have a Materazzi as a idol but never in a team that have Maldini as it
This is the same difference between São Paulo and Corinthians
São Paulo idols are Raí, Rogério Ceni, Lugano, Careca, Toninho Cerezo, Telê Santana... Corinthians idols are Marcelinho Carioca, Ricardinho, Vampeta, Luxemburgo...
If Milan can hire players like Huntelaar and Pazzini or even try to make the forwards that already have work out, why hire a player that don´t have any ethic and can start fights in the team?
Leave Tevez for Internazionale and keep Milan being a team of gentlemen
Samuca, i was reading your posts and i think that you're not even aware how much your opinion is influenced by the rivalry between Argentinians and Brasilians or Sao Paulo and Corinthians.
It's ok to love your country but it's not ok and it's even dangerous way of thinking to make generalizations and to divide people, players, fans in good X and bad Y.
This mustn't be the leading idea while living your life.
I could never accept dividing fans and say how Inter fans are inferior to Milan fans. Both teams have fans among scientists, pilots, doctors, musicians, artists, auto mechanics, street cleaners, frauds, priests, criminals etc.
I said it many times before how thin the line between becoming Juventino, Milanista or Interista is...
A certain player we liked signed for Inter, fantastic matches played by Juve or Milan at the time when we started following football...these are usually the reasons why people become fans of certain clubs (people outside Italy). Noone became Juve fan because Moggi was a cheater, noone became Milan fan because Berlusconi can buy anyone he likes and noone became an Inter fan because Materazzi had something to say about Zidane's sister.
Even more, if there's one thing you must respect Inter fans for it's how none of them became Inter fan because he was a gloryhunter (something that can not be said about some Juve or Milan fans).
So, respect people and football players for their attitude, football skills etc, not because they were born in Buenos Aires and represent Argentina or because they've chosen to join Corinthians not Sao Paulo.
I have one question for you though ....
Which 5 of these players do you think deserve to become our idols :
Kaka, Javier Zanetti, Luizao, Samuel, Serginho, Ayala, Denilson, Juninho, Luis Fabiano, Rincon.
I respect all of them but if i have to chose 3,4 or 5 of them i'll have a hard time deciding.
If true, then i'm glad we are making some moves for promising Serie B players. Plus how can you go wrong when you have a name like Papa Waigo? That is the best name ever! :grinser: He and Barusso from Serie B would be good future signings and mucho cheapo.
If Milancelotti is banned how can he still be posting here?
Finally, to answer your quesion Tony Kaka and Zanetti deserve to be idols and that is all.
zlatanov
15-05-2007, 14:08
If true, then i'm glad we are making some moves for promising Serie B players. Plus how can you go wrong when you have a name like Papa Waigo? That is the best name ever! :grinser: He and Barusso from Serie B would be good future signings and mucho cheapo.
If Milancelotti is banned how can he still be posting here?
Finally, to answer your quesion Tony Kaka and Zanetti deserve to be idols and that is all.
he wishes :D
he is not banned just playing the word BANNED in his custom title :D
If true, then i'm glad we are making some moves for promising Serie B players. Plus how can you go wrong when you have a name like Papa Waigo? That is the best name ever! :grinser:
Is this young lad any good? The last time we signed a player whose name took us weeks to pronounce (the Elefttro something) he ended up nothing ore than a bench warmer :respect:
Is this young lad any good? The last time we signed a player whose name took us weeks to pronounce (the Elefttro something) he ended up nothing ore than a bench warmer :respect:
I don't know a thing about the guy, so i can't tell you how good he is. Though as Tony said he's the second highest goalscorer in Serie B with 15 goals. I'm sure he'll be better than epthopolopoloopolus, papa waigo is an infinitely better name :D
So Milancelotti isn't banned but Pireloke is?
So Milancelotti isn't banned but Pireloke is? Yes
About Papa Waigo. He's 3rd scorer in serie B, but second and close to first if we don't count penalty kicks taken (and he's playing on the wings lately).
I watched him 3 times only ( twice against Juve and once against Genoa...the best 2 teams in the league) and he was really terorizing Juve's and Genoa's defenses. He scored twice to Juve ( 1 goal on both matches) and once to Genoa. So, i was lucky to catch him on those matches where he was scoring and assisting. While we're at assists, he made probably more assists than goals.
I really like the way he plays, and Milan aren't interested in him for no reason. They probably followed him and they certanly liked what they saw.
23 years old, very fast and very good technique .... typical african attacker !
I wont be happy if he becomes 4th choice attacker in Milan. I'd prefer him as a starter in Sampdoria or Udinese.
But if he wants to play in a great club like Milan he'll have to accept not playing a lot. And if he's good i'm sure Carlo will give him enough chances to prove his qualities and take the starting XI place from Ronnie or Gila.
But since Milan plan to loan him, then i guess he'll have a good chance to prove himself in Empoli !
He'll come cheap and no risk is involved at all. Milan can only profit from Papa Waigo :5ok:
How about Abubyang or whatever is the name of the youngster who scored for for us in SB cup vs Juventus :D
epthopolopoloopolus, papa waigo is an infinitely better name :D
I am against him because he was in f... Olimpiacos Pireues but go back to history, Eleftheopoulos 2 to 3 years was one of the best keepers in CL. His permomances started going low after a huge mistake in a semi final against Juventus in CL when Conte scored a goal and Juve passed by!.... :rolleyes:
Tevez, Villa, Adriano maybe Huntelaar i would like to see some of them in Milano.
']Team of gentlemen? Hah, I guess you dont know who our players are. Really.
If Maradona cant qualify like "idol", then I dont think any soccer player can carry that label. I want players that bring trophies to Milan, not role models that dont know about the game. If not, just phone Galliani and tell him Im ready to go.
Tevez played for 3 teams in his carrer and those teams' fans have the highest regard for him. And Im sure that if he comes to Milan, the same will happen.
But since he seems close to agreeing with Real Madrid, its a moot point.
As I said, a idol shall be more than just a amazing player, shall be a person that deserves to be respect as a human
If a amazing player with not that good ethic wanna play in São Paulo or Milan, for me it´s ok, I know that São Paulo can´t have 11 Rogérios Cenis and Milan can´t have 11 Maldinis, but he will just not be a idol for me
This player I supposed will just play him amazing football and when it´s over I will just think:"Bye, I don´t mind about you or your career anymore, you did a great job for the team I like and that´s enough"
I just say that would not be a great idea to Milan to hire Tevez because he can ruin the spirit of the team with him bad personality and this is a unnecessary risk for the italian team
Samuca, i was reading your posts and i think that you're not even aware how much your opinion is influenced by the rivalry between Argentinians and Brasilians or Sao Paulo and Corinthians.
It's ok to love your country but it's not ok and it's even dangerous way of thinking to make generalizations and to divide people, players, fans in good X and bad Y.
This mustn't be the leading idea while living your life.
I could never accept dividing fans and say how Inter fans are inferior to Milan fans. Both teams have fans among scientists, pilots, doctors, musicians, artists, auto mechanics, street cleaners, frauds, priests, criminals etc.
I said it many times before how thin the line between becoming Juventino, Milanista or Interista is...
A certain player we liked signed for Inter, fantastic matches played by Juve or Milan at the time when we started following football...these are usually the reasons why people become fans of certain clubs (people outside Italy). Noone became Juve fan because Moggi was a cheater, noone became Milan fan because Berlusconi can buy anyone he likes and noone became an Inter fan because Materazzi had something to say about Zidane's sister.
Even more, if there's one thing you must respect Inter fans for it's how none of them became Inter fan because he was a gloryhunter (something that can not be said about some Juve or Milan fans).
So, respect people and football players for their attitude, football skills etc, not because they were born in Buenos Aires and represent Argentina or because they've chosen to join Corinthians not Sao Paulo.
I have one question for you though ....
Which 5 of these players do you think deserve to become our idols :
Kaka, Javier Zanetti, Luizao, Samuel, Serginho, Ayala, Denilson, Juninho, Luis Fabiano, Rincon.
I respect all of them but if i have to chose 3,4 or 5 of them i'll have a hard time deciding.
Wow dude, I'm not xenophobe, actually I would be glad if Redondo had played more times for Milan and if Crespo could come back to Milan, by the way, the second one I quoted formed a amazing attack with Kaká
About Internazionale, it´s kinda a joke because Materazzi is a idol there, this team did a shame in the Champions League against Valencia and c'mon, is the biggest rival of Milan
I should never judge all Internazionale fans as bad people, that would be absolutly wrong
But you said that you respect football players for their attitude so you should agree that it´s tottaly insane the fact of a assassin like Materazzi being a idol for someone, right?
About your answer, all of them except Luizão, Rincon and Denílson (the one who played for Betis, right?)
Denílson used to play serious in São Paulo but since he gone this team, he never were the same, seems like now he just want to have fun in the field
He isn´t a bad person but I don´t think it´s right to try to have fame by doing pointless moves against other players
I could say Luis Fabiano but him problem is the psychological side, that make he use to receive the red card for useless reasons and don´t score goals with good regularity but I think a good professional could fix that problem
But you said that you respect football players for their attitude so you should agree that it´s tottaly insane the fact of a assassin like Materazzi being a idol for someone, right?
I really dislike Materazzi and i can't stand him, but people really hate him for some wrong reasons.
If Materazzi played in England he would have been just a normal defender, and a damn good one. But he plays in Italy where players like Totti, Del Piero, Inzaghi, Kaka, Nedved, Gilardino fall after the smallest contact and where midfielders and attackers are more protected than in some other countries.
Materazzi plays his game, just like he would do it in Spain or England and it makes him different than the other defenders in Italy.
That's why we think he's an "assasin" , " Butcher" and stuff. He was brutal in the past ( against Sheva and Ibrahimovic most of all) but never as much as we Juventus or Milan fans made him look.
If you look outside Milan you'll se how many people have awful opinion about Gattuso. By their logic, it's totaly insane to have Rino as an idol !
Sorry for having wrong opinion about you. Although you must see how your previous posts gave bad image to you. 99% of the players you attacked were Argentinians or Corinthians players.
ForeverMilan
15-05-2007, 20:55
i had some concerns over Oddo before he joined us,but yet he proved me wrong and however adjusted so well to them,he proved us he is the real man for our right wing.then im sure he will improve further more next year and will be better than this year.
Regarding Marek,i dont know what to say,vs manchester games i saw an improved marek but he should do more than he do now,maybe we should sign zambrotta and let them fight for one spot.it would be great 4 us.
Regarding Rino,i have so many friends who take rino as idol to themselves,they like how rino gave his all to his team,how he gave his heart and soul to his team and how he fights on the pitch,he never gave up.rino is their idol just because of that.
Regarding Juve,i think they have so many chance to finish at top 4 next year and go the champions the year after.neverthless they already signed Grygera and salihamidzic,they have both camo and marchiooni on RM,Nedved has a great stamina this is why he can play 1-2 years more,they just lacking real DM's,2 top player one is in defence and one in attack,if they sign this players they could reach the top,of course i mean 4th post.
totti_jonaid
16-05-2007, 01:35
This transfer season surely seems to be a big one for Ac Milan as we had a dissapointing transfer period last summer. Now I just wanted to asses the current transfer situation of our squad and need your opinion on it.
GOALKEEPER:
At one point we were looking set to sign Gianluigi Buffon which would have been a dream signing but then for some reason or the other our management decided to pull out of the race of Buffon and persist with Dida for the next season. Now it seems that we are linkened with Hildebrand.
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=304212
Now the question remains do we need a new keeper? My answer would be yes for sure we need one after Dida's recent performance.
DEFENDERS
Our back four seems to be fine but I do not know if Maldini will retire at the end of the season or not if yes then Milan are recently linked with Terry who to me could be an ideal replacement for Maldini. I am not so sure were the development with Zambrotta has reached. But I would rather not have him because Janku is good as a LB then a LM and Oddo has done more then a good enough job to keep his place as a RB. Plus I always feel that Zambro is best as RB and as a LB he tends to struggle at times.
If someone did not knew that Costacurta has retired here is the news for them.
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=298206
Do you think we need his replacement (Transfer) or do we have enough CB's in our squad who could replace him.
MIDFIELD
Seedorf,Pirlo, and Kaka have done really well this season and thanks for once Gattuso is no more intrested in Manchester United. so every thing seeems to be fine but now kaka seems to be intrested in joining Primier league.
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=294839
I just hope that he really do not means it because to me it more or less seems to be a threat to Milan by Kaka as Milan thretened kaka's place at the club when they were linked to Ronaldinho. But if he stays all is well and there is no need for change in the midfield. Though we are linkened to Ze Roberto and Ribery.
FORWARDS
Gilardino is really going through a horrible time though I believe he will be back soon with a bang. Lyon seems to be intrested in him but I do believe our managment should not let him go as he is great player with a long and bright future ahead of him.
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=301635
Now to Ricardo Olivera who I am sure will leave this summer and this leaves us with a striker required. There are a lot of options for this position with Tervez recently linked to Milan.
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=304112
Cassono and Robinho are set to leave Madrid and there is a new Brazilian sensation who is Thiago and of course Saha, Hunteelar, Toni, Saviola, Iquainta and the new Italian hero Quagillera are set to leave their clubs. One more option is Pozzi who is on loan to Empoli and has been really impressive. Plus Milan are desperate to get Sheva Back.
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=302241
My personal choice would be Cassano or Pazzini of Fiorentina. The latter is under 21 and has got what it takes to be a big player.
I really dislike Materazzi and i can't stand him, but people really hate him for some wrong reasons.
If Materazzi played in England he would have been just a normal defender, and a damn good one. But he plays in Italy where players like Totti, Del Piero, Inzaghi, Kaka, Nedved, Gilardino fall after the smallest contact and where midfielders and attackers are more protected than in some other countries.
Materazzi plays his game, just like he would do it in Spain or England and it makes him different than the other defenders in Italy.
That's why we think he's an "assasin" , " Butcher" and stuff. He was brutal in the past ( against Sheva and Ibrahimovic most of all) but never as much as we Juventus or Milan fans made him look.
If you look outside Milan you'll se how many people have awful opinion about Gattuso. By their logic, it's totaly insane to have Rino as an idol !
Sorry for having wrong opinion about you. Although you must see how your previous posts gave bad image to you. 99% of the players you attacked were Argentinians or Corinthians players.
Rino is different than Materazzi
Rino play hard but he even try to aim the ball, sometimes arrive late and hit the player but what he even tries is steal the ball from the adversary
Materazzi just ignore the ball and aim him adversaries
By the way, Rino don´t use to say offensive words to the players just to try to be punched and let the adversary be fired of the game
Flaubert said that Milan is interested in him. Is this guy any good? How old is he?
Flaubert said that Milan is interested in him. Is this guy any good? How old is he ?
The Flaubert i know would have been 186 years old if he was alive.
I never heard about a football player named Flaubert and i can't find one :mad:
Edit : Maybe it's Faubert ? I found some Faubert in Bordeaux.
Julien Faubert - 23 years old midfielder with 1 cap and 1 goal for the French national team.
From wikipedia :
Julien Faubert (born August 1, 1983 in Le Havre) is a French football player who plays midfielder for Bordeaux. Faubert made his debut for the French national team on August 16, 2006, against Bosnia and Herzegovina. He marked his first match by scoring in the final minute of the game to ensure France won 2-1.He is a convert to Islam. He has frequently been compared to Zinedine Zidane and is expected to follow in his footsteps as he has been given the number 10
Height 1.8 m (5 ft 11 in)
Senior clubs
2002-2004 - Cannes 45 (4)
2004- Bordeaux 88 (9)
Tony, are you still sure that Gigigigigig :D will stay in Juve?
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/may16d.html
Serie A concern for Buffon
Wednesday 16 May, 2007
Gigi Buffon has fuelled doubts about his Juventus future after insisting that being uncompetitive in Serie A will be worse than Serie B football.
The goalkeeper opted to remain with the giants after demotion last summer, but he has hinted that he may be on the move at the end of this campaign.
“The worst moments have yet to come now that we won’t be as competitive as the best sides in the top flight,” Buffon told a TV show on La7.
“We had a clear objective in Serie B and that was to achieve promotion as soon as possible,” added the World Cup winner, whose side needs just three points in four matches to go up.
“In Serie A, however, everything will be harder. It would be terrible for us to be unable to compete with Inter, Milan, Roma and Lazio.”
Buffon’s comments will be viewed by many as a clear signal to the club that they need to spend big in the summer, especially after he took a little swipe at officials for their actions last summer.
“I understand that some players had to go, especially the older ones, but letting Adrian Mutu and Gianluca Zambrotta leave was a big mistake,” he announced.
“They could have been very useful now for our return to Serie A.”
Meanwhile, some reports are claiming that Buffon and his girlfriend Alena Seredova are buying a villa on Lake Como which may suggest he is about to join one of the Milan clubs.
p.s.
I just realized that my gf's birthday is on 23th :uhm: :str:
ACMILAN1983
16-05-2007, 09:38
A summary of what I think will or maybe should change...
Goalkeeper
Personally, I'd like to see Buffon (rumours have grown again after he's apparently been househunting in Milan), but if not Dida isn't a bad choice. He's become far more reliable lately which is positive.
Defenders
We'll need a few imo. I think a world class RB/LB is a must. I'd try and get Zambrotta without question, his versatility could be used on both flanks. This would actually leave us with 3 or 4 LBs (Zambro, Janku, Serginho and Favalli), which might seem a lot. However, Favalli can do a reasonably solid job in CB and would fit in nicely for Coppa matches. Janku or Serginho I'd like to be asked to push forward and provide depth in midfield. Essentially, right now we lack wide options in midfield, so having them available (with Gourcuff playing RW if need be) would increase options.
A central defender will be needed, a good reliable player, even if not world class as Kala and Bonera are reliable if Maldini isn't available. I think we'll also keep Favalli to replace Costacurta's role in the squad.
Midfielders
We need some creativity, specifically someone to switch with Seedorf on a regular basis. Gourcuff maybe can grow next season and have a more prominent role, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him loaned out. We preferably need a better replacement for Pirlo, as we've struggled covering his role.
I'd also like someone with more physical presence to cover in midfield. Right now only Ambro really dominates physically in our midfield, as Rino and Brocchi are more pitbull like. Someone similar to Ambro in qualities is a must for me.
Forwards
Oliveira and Borriello will probably leave, so we need at least 1 good backup forward. I don't see Gila and obviously Ronaldo leaving, but Pippo might decide to move on.
As much as I like Pippo, I wouldn't mind to see him leaving, as he's struggled a lot this season. I'd like to see two new forwards coming in, one a supporting forward and the other a goalscorer or poacher. The goalscorer I'd like to be someone similar to Pippo in style, doesn't have to be great, just a reliable fourth choice striker (Pippo if he stays should take the role). The supporting forward needs to be a good subsitute for me, someone who may not necessarily play every game, but someone who can make a difference for us when called on. Pippo has been filling this role over the past 2-3 seasons, but I do think it's time to get someone new.
ForeverMilan
16-05-2007, 10:18
by the way,the agent of tuncay sanli said that he had 3 offers for his player,one from olyimpiakos,one from manchester city,the other is our beloved Milan.
then he continued and said that tuncay sanli is very close to italy.
typcial galliani transfers,free
what do you think about that?
Graeme C
16-05-2007, 12:25
Buffon is again linked to us, he is looking for a house near Lake Como...
Zambrotta apparently was in Milan yesterday aswell..
Blacktop
16-05-2007, 13:27
Personally, I'd like to see Buffon (rumours have grown again after he's apparently been househunting in Milan)
He was "househunting" in Milan in January of last year as well. Either this newest rumor is BS or the housing market in Milano must be tough.
Guys, please don't disapoint me like this ( especially Dev disapointed me. You got F from me Dev boy :) )
In my field of work- History, and everywhere in science, if i write Some Reports are claiming that Buffon.... is looking for a house , and if i don't name these reports with a footnote i'll become jobless and the laughing stock of my collegues.
Even in journalism , serious journalist will never use "Some reports are claiming"
Gigi is looking for a house near lake Como for 2 years if we trust these journalists. I don't know if the latest house he was looking is the same one from January or it's the same house Zambrotta was looking last June, or maybe it's the house Del Piero was looking 2 years ago.
But ok, since people everywhere on the internet seem to trust these rumours, then maybe you'll find this interesting :
Some reports are claiming that Gigi will 100% stay with Juve if Juve is competitive with Inter and Milan next year (since it will never happen, then Buffon is 100% out)
Looks like , according to "some reports", Inter made a big ( Huge) offer but both Juventus and Buffon rejected it.
Milan's offer is not worthed concedering ( according to 'some reports' Milan offered money only, but the offer was waaaaaay too low) but if Milan makes the same offer that Inter made then there are chances, big chances, Buffon to join Milan.
I don't trust neather channel4 neather the Italian guy who said this in one Italian Juve forum. But i thought some of you will find this interesting :)
GilAttack [11]
16-05-2007, 14:29
We are buying JP Carrizo.
Dr Milano
16-05-2007, 15:08
cheers totti_jonaid !!
i hope oli does leave .. hes done naff all
ACMILAN1983
16-05-2007, 16:08
Guys, please don't disapoint me like this ( especially Dev disapointed me. You got F from me Dev boy :) )
In my field of work- History, and everywhere in science, if i write Some Reports are claiming that Buffon.... is looking for a house , and if i don't name these reports with a footnote i'll become jobless and the laughing stock of my collegues.
Even in journalism , serious journalist will never use "Some reports are claiming"
Gigi is looking for a house near lake Como for 2 years if we trust these journalists. I don't know if the latest house he was looking is the same one from January or it's the same house Zambrotta was looking last June, or maybe it's the house Del Piero was looking 2 years ago.
But ok, since people everywhere on the internet seem to trust these rumours, then maybe you'll find this interesting :
Some reports are claiming that Gigi will 100% stay with Juve if Juve is competitive with Inter and Milan next year (since it will never happen, then Buffon is 100% out)
Looks like , according to "some reports", Inter made a big ( Huge) offer but both Juventus and Buffon rejected it.
Milan's offer is not worthed concedering ( according to 'some reports' Milan offered money only, but the offer was waaaaaay too low) but if Milan makes the same offer that Inter made then there are chances, big chances, Buffon to join Milan.
I don't trust neather channel4 neather the Italian guy who said this in one Italian Juve forum. But i thought some of you will find this interesting :)
lol, my apologies Tony, I ought to mention it was Gazzetta that mentioned this. Please don't give me an F, the original thread where I posted that was more about signings we felt we needed/should make rather than actual links and rumours about players we're supposedly after :grinser:
I want the whole Sevilla team :eekani:
I want the whole Sevilla team :eekani:
how about palop? :D i know you don't want him :zany:
Warro Bantan
16-05-2007, 17:21
']We are buying JP Carrizo. Source? :dontkn:
He WOULD be a great buy though. The guy's CLASS and infinitely cheaper than Buffon :P. So Tony would be happy and we'd still have a good keeper when Dida eventually calls it quits.
If we have a chance to sign Buffon for a reasonable price, then I wouldn't even give it a second thought. A reasonable price for me would be somewhere around 25-30 mil. I know rummors are going around that if they do sell him, It won't be for under 40 or I don't know what ridiculous number but I never believe those things. The same rummors were about Sheva last year that he would cost Chelsea 60,70 or I don't even know what it was. The truth is that 25-30 million is a lot of money for today's market and today's market is a LOT different then the one when Juve bought Buffon. They can't possibly expect to get the same or close to the same ammount that they paid. The other thing is that they might be interested in some of our players as they are going to rebuild. Possibly Oliveira (Tony might not like that :grinser: )can be included in the deal and if Torino doesn't buy Abbiati then he can become part of it too. The point is that there are ways to get Buffon however we have to wait and see what he decides to do after the season.
After seeing Alves again last night, i wonder if he's told to attack at every opportunity or if that is just his instinct. If it's the latter then that causes a bit of a problem as most of the time it leaves a gaping hole in the defence. But i guess he's still learning.
Adriano on the left wing is someone we could go for, would be alot cheaper than Ribery or Ronaldinho that's for sure.
ACMILAN1983
17-05-2007, 04:42
After seeing Alves again last night, i wonder if he's told to attack at every opportunity or if that is just his instinct. If it's the latter then that causes a bit of a problem as most of the time it leaves a gaping hole in the defence. But i guess he's still learning.
I think it's more instinct with him, but at his age it's probably expected and something that can be worked on. I think he needs to work on that too though, his timing isn't particularly great as to when he should make runs.
At the same time, he wasn't being covered too well either imo, I felt the game was pretty open last night. If for example he was in Milan with Rino covering, I doubt it would have been such a glaring problem.
Alves I think is quality and could be very important, but I still think he's a little green.
And the games continue.....heck, silly season got an early, early start this year....now Galliani says we don't need Buffon....what will tomorrow say?
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/may17a.html
[After seeing Alves again last night, i wonder if he's told to attack at every opportunity or if that is just his instinct. If it's the latter then that causes a bit of a problem as most of the time it leaves a gaping hole in the defence. But i guess he's still learning.
Adriano on the left wing is someone we could go for, would be alot cheaper than Ribery or Ronaldinho that's for sure.
I kinda disagree......brazilian fullbacks are kinda expected to attack alot these days.....Alves played a heavy role in the second goal....all around he was pretty good except for the missed penalty :wallbang: he was very good on both ends of the pitch....Who was very impressive was Navas...that kid is fantastic!!
After seeing Alves again last night, i wonder if he's told to attack at every opportunity or if that is just his instinct. If it's the latter then that causes a bit of a problem as most of the time it leaves a gaping hole in the defence. But i guess he's still learning.
Adriano on the left wing is someone we could go for, would be alot cheaper than Ribery or Ronaldinho that's for sure.
Mostly winger brazilian players use to attack more than deffend, that´s why some of them turn into midfield players in Europe, Cafú and Mancini at Roma and Serginho in Milan are just some exemples
Nothing that can´t be resolved with Gattuso and Ambrosini supporting they
ACMILAN1983
17-05-2007, 08:54
And the games continue.....heck, silly season got an early, early start this year....now Galliani says we don't need Buffon....what will tomorrow say?
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/may17a.html
Probably the smart thing to say right now. Ahead of the final, there's certainly no point in making Dida uneasy by saying we want Buffon.
Vlatko_MKD
17-05-2007, 09:04
If Buffon want to leave Juve we must sign him before inter do that. But also there is a good chance to sign Zambrota who'll be great for us.
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/may17b.html
It makes no difference wether he's brazilian or not or expected to attack or not, the fact is he's not the most disciplined player at the moment. He needs to learn when to attack and when to defend and not just continually run forward at every opportunity if it puts the team's shape in disarray. Roberto Carlos is a prime example, he runs around like a headless chicken and pops up everywhere, if Alves was more selective and thought a bit more about when to attack he'd take his level of play significantly higher.
You're missing the point if you think that Gattuso and/or Ambrosini will fix the problem, that's not their continual job, if it was you might aswell play either of those at right-back and stick Alves further upfield. If Gattuso and/or Ambrosini are constantly filling in for the 'not at home' full-back then you lose their bite in midfield.
I don't think Alves was very good at both ends either, he was good but not amazing. I wouldn't call a pass out wide to Navas a heavy hand in the second goal, plus you can counter balance that plus point as he was at fault for Espanyol's first goal.
As for Navas, yeah he has alot of skill but he's well known for being a poor traveller and quick to get home-sick, though maybe he's grown out of that by now.
Probably the smart thing to say right now. Ahead of the final, there's certainly no point in making Dida uneasy by saying we want Buffon.
Exactly what I was going to say.
Im not sure whats the latest with Barruso? Do we own him? I feel we could do with a plyer of his quality.
Blacktop
17-05-2007, 12:04
Probably the smart thing to say right now. Ahead of the final, there's certainly no point in making Dida uneasy by saying we want Buffon.
Well, maybe Galliani ought to quit bringing it up to the press over and over and over again, and the timing couldn't be any more piss-poor than a week before the final. This can't be splashed all over the media and then include that Milan doesn't want to get Dida all hot and bothered, because last time I checked, Dida doesn't live under a rock.
Galliani is such an unprofessional ass at times, it's not even funny. "No comment" is obviously not in his vocabulary.
No comment is actually worse than saying we don't want Buffon. I firmly believe we'll go for Buffon, irrespective of Dida having a great game in Athens (fingers crossed he doesn't need too though).
Well, maybe Galliani ought to quit bringing it up to the press over and over and over again, and the timing couldn't be any more piss-poor than a week before the final. This can't be splashed all over the media and then include that Milan doesn't want to get Dida all hot and bothered, because last time I checked, Dida doesn't live under a rock.
Galliani is such an unprofessional ass at times, it's not even funny. "No comment" is obviously not in his vocabulary.
I think if you compare 'No comment' to 'We dont need Buffon, We have Dida....' which one would you prefer to hear? I think its fine what he said.
Lets all shout : Barcelona to win La Liga, Barcelona to win La Liga, Barcelona to win La Liga :)
Capello wants : Giggi Bufon and Zlatan Ibrahimovic.
According to Spanish newspapers , Real Madrid will offer 40m for Ibrahimovic and 20m+Casilas for Buffon. Plus they'll offer them 7m Eur per year.
Both Buffon and Zlatan are Capello's favourites and he'll do everything to bring them to Real.
Hmmmm, i thought Capello will leave Real. Wont he ?
But if Real Madrid become champions of Spain after 4 years without winning anything then Capello will be like God there and he can get whoever he wants.
He took Emerson and Cannavaro with him last year, Casano is also there...... i don't doubt how he'll try to get Zlatan and Buffon also.
This may even be good news for you guys because it will mean Real definitly gave up on Kaka, but these are awful news for me :(
Its still better than watching Buffon with our Italian rivals but i fear Juve wont say NO to such offer ( like they'll say to Milan or Inter) and the fool Secco will sell his most valuable player !
Warro Bantan
17-05-2007, 12:49
BMW...u think Galliani is actually "bringing" it up with the media? Dont you think its the reverse?
And I do agree with Tony75, that his reply was the best he could make...he does risk alienating Buffon, but everyone involved knows about the "noise" thats made before the "silly season" gets really and truly underway.
And further, a "no comment" is always interpreted by the press to mean whatever is most sensational to the public.
Capello wants : Giggi Bufon and Zlatan Ibrahimovic.
According to Spanish newspapers , Real Madrid will offer 40m for Ibrahimovic and 20m+Casilas for Buffon. Plus they'll offer them 7m Eur per year.
Both Buffon and Zlatan are Capello's favourites and he'll do everything to bring them to Real.
I don't think this new is true. Or if it's actually true, it won't happen. Because Casilas is nearly Real's Maldini, he's untouchable. Such a long time at real, and he is a world class goalkeeper too. I don't think the club want to sell him <or dare to sell him if Casilas doesn't want>. And 20M + Casilas = Buffon? I know Buffon is a really good keeper, but I'm sure that Casilas + 20M > Buffon.
And the last thing is, anyone believes in Spanish newspapers? :uhm:
Lets all shout : Barcelona to win La Liga, Barcelona to win La Liga, Barcelona to win La Liga :)
Hmmmm, i thought Capello will leave Real. Wont he ?
But if Real Madrid become champions of Spain after 4 years without winning anything then Capello will be like God there and he can get whoever he wants.
He took Emerson and Cannavaro with him last year, Casano is also there...... i don't doubt how he'll try to get Zlatan and Buffon also.
This may even be good news for you guys because it will mean Real definitly gave up on Kaka, but these are awful news for me
I'm with you Tony I want Barca to win La Liga :5ok: Capello is the guy that refused to play Ronaldo :5dito: :5dito: .If he wins La Liga it would look like Ronaldo was really the problem at Real :5ok: Also Robinho will probably never have a career because Capello keeps him on the bench :wallbang:
zlatanov
17-05-2007, 13:19
I don't think this new is true. Or if it's actually true, it won't happen. Because Casilas is nearly Real's Maldini, he's untouchable. Such a long time at real, and he is a world class goalkeeper too. I don't think the club want to sell him <or dare to sell him if Casilas doesn't want>. And 20M + Casilas = Buffon? I know Buffon is a really good keeper, but I'm sure that Casilas + 20M > Buffon.
And the last thing is, anyone believes in Spanish newspapers? :uhm:
I tend to agree with sleep ... and also Capello and Buffon weren't exactly on great terms during their time together at Juve, at least that's what was suggested by the numerous reports of Buffon disliking/not speaking to Capello and Capello criticizing at time Buffon, especially when Abbiati was doing so well and Buffo wasn't.
And again, Real has a very good keeper in Casillas, and younger too, what they need is a better defense and more commited midfield, so that their keeper doesn't have to deal with 10-15 goal-scoring opportunities for their opponenets almost every game ... something even Buffon would look less than impressive if he has to face it.
As for Ibra, I don't doubt the reports at all - he's always been capello's younger b..b..b......brother :D
I don't think this new is true. Or if it's actually true, it won't happen. Because Casilas is nearly Real's Maldini, he's untouchable. Such a long time at real, and he is a world class goalkeeper too. I don't think the club want to sell him <or dare to sell him if Casilas doesn't want>. And 20M + Casilas = Buffon? I know Buffon is a really good keeper, but I'm sure that Casilas + 20M > Buffon.
And the last thing is, anyone believes in Spanish newspapers? :uhm:
Looks like you don't know Capello :)
Capello was risking losing the CL final ( and he lost it eventually) by not letting Savicevic play the final match in 1995.
Capello put Del Piero, the greatest Juventus legend, on the bench and kept him there for 2 years , giving Ibrahimovic the starting XI place, even though he risked being linched by the fans.
I was reading what guys in Juventuz.com were saying and it seems like Capello wants Buffon over Casillas .
If Capello wants something - he's getting it ! Especially if Real beats Barca for the title this season.
Casillas is relativly young. He's only 25. He's not a legend in Madrid. Actually he's far from being The Legend of Real (Raul is untouchable) and he's light years away from the status Maldini has in Milan. He can be sold ( with much fuss at the beggining, but Real fans will calm down when they see Buffon there)
Like my mates from Juve forums already concluded : The only chance for this transfer not to happen ( asuming that Real does offer money+Casillas for Buffon) is Casillas.
I doubt he'll accept going to Juve.
As for the money. Hey, Sheva at 30 wasn't worthed more than 25-30m Euro but you saw how much Milan got from him.
It's market. If Real ( Capello) wants Buffon then they'll have to over pay for him concidering the interest teams will show in Juve's keeper.
The good news is : It looks like all these spanish newspappers have the same source. There's a chance it's not true :p017:
The good news is : It looks like all these spanish newspappers have the same source . There's a chance it's not true :p017:
It is called ass.
zZ[-_-]Zz
17-05-2007, 13:33
Juventino Tony beat me to it...
wanted to say that no Real Madrid fan will care too much about Casillas leavin' if Buffon is the replacement...
It is called ass.
Lol
No it's not AS. In this case it's some Mondo Deportivo or something like that
zlatanov
17-05-2007, 13:38
in a way true - Capello does have his weird ways of wiining the love and appreciation of the fansb.... but will Real M get rid of a fanfavourite and a club icon, more or less, to make happay a coach, whose job is on the ballance.
Will a coach, who has found it so dif to win the respect and appreciation of the star-studded real M dressing room risk it all by getting rid of one of the "home" stars there.
As for Sheva, Milan got so much money for him because Roman was crazy about Sheva not only as a player but as a friend an would have paid even more to have him ... and the apparent abundance of cash that no other team can dream of shouldn't be discarded either - all in all, it was a one off deal with many "extra" incentives than the purely sport-oriented we usually see in most other deals of such magnitude.
Also, I wonder if the Milan management would have been brave enough to sell Sheva if he hadn't asked to go himself ... that's obviously not the case with Cassilas who is a fan favourite and home-grown talent ... selling such players for no apperant reason at all would have it's risks for the coach and management, especially with fans like Reals who are hailing you one day and waiving the white napkins the next.
And in Spain, home grown players are much more valued than anywhere else ... it's enough to just look at the power (read influence) players like Raul and Hierro had at Real ... selling Casillas is not simply a case of subbing one keepr with another, even if the latter is Buffon ... very much like I doubt Juve fans would want Buffon out only to get a, probably, slightly better or at least more famous keeper than the local hero.
Nice Zlat.
I love it when i hear what i want to hear :)
But i'm still not sure Buffon wont replace Casillas in Real. Bloody Capello is capable of keeping Casillas and getting Buffon. Poor Casillas may find himself on the bench :haha:
Never underestimate Capello. I never liked him. After leaving Juve i dislike him even more. He's crazy and he's stubborn but he's a genious. I respect him for that.
He always seems to get in some fight with some of the best or most respected team members just so he'll show who's the boss around. He'll have no problem doing something like that with Casillas, fan favourite or not.
If he dislikes someone ( Del Piero, Savicevic, Beckham, Ronaldo, Totti etc) then noone, not even clubs president can change anything. If he likes someone in his team, then the president gets him that player.
He took the risk this year by selling Ronaldo and keeping Beckham on the bench, and watch him now - he's close to winning La Liga without the 2 greatest stars Real had at the beggining of the season.
This crazy Capello is born winner and he has some crazy charisma that works with the presidents.
If he wants Buffon then be sure he'll get him eventually.
Lets hope he dislikes Buffon :)
zlatanov
17-05-2007, 14:04
it's true, I am not saying that a move like that is completely impossible ... I think it is highly unlikely, though, for 3 main reasons:
1) Capello's future at real is anything but sure ... and given how troubled his stay has been, Real Mmanagement would hardly start getting rid of players, especially someone like Cassilas, following the whim of a coach who may very well not be even there several months later ...
2) Cassilas isn't just any player at Real, he is a very capable and young GK, who has Real M blood in his veins ... hardly the player to trade away for an almost 30 yo foreigner who may not even adjust to the Real M atmosphere (hint: Cannavaro, etc, etc ;))
3) I don't think Buffo will jump at the chance to work with capello, not with their history of not talking to one another, being frustrated by Capello's tactics and methods and all that ... I personally think he would prefer to stay at Juve than work with Capello at Real.
These are circumstances that are peculiar to this case and I am not sure we could draw any parallels with past situations.
Either way, I don't see this one coming thru as I am not sure it would make much sense for either side invloved.
This is my opinions:
Capello doesn't succeed this year though he has all the players he wanted. So I don't think he can have buffon + ibra this time <60M + Casillas for 2 player? That would be as crazy as 70M for Ronaldinho:D>
Shevchenko's case: We have known Abra so well:D. Micah Richards for more than 20M if I'm not wrong <but ManC didn't sell him, big suprise to me>, Essien for 24M... If ManU buy shevchenko for 30M, it will be big suprise, but with Abra, nothing special:D. In fact Abra have offered a 50M in the previous summer.
And I don't agree about Casillas. I know that Raul is untouchable. But Casillas is also untouchable. Raul is from Atletico, but Casillas has joined Real at 8 years old. And his contribution for the team is very big. Younger + nearly as good as Buffon, even if he is not untouchable, it wouldn't be a smart deal <just like Eto'o for Shevchenko>.
If someone had asked me if I had wanted Ronaldinho but Kaka had to go last summer or even 2 years ago, as a Milan fan, I wouldn't have agreed:D.
zlatanov
17-05-2007, 14:34
Tony knows we are right, Sleep, he just doesn't wanna see Buffy :D in a Milan shirt and tries to come up with a more "bearable" alternative, should he leave Juve ;)
:D
Tuncay
Tuncay is off contrat this summer. Why not go after him??
He´s better than many strikers we have talking in this topic
zlatanov
17-05-2007, 14:43
Tuncay
Tuncay is off contrat this summer. Why not go after him??
He´s better than many strikers we have talking in this topic
actually, there have been some persistent rumours that he is on Milan's watch list ... and being a free agent is a indeed a plus in this race.
Tony likes Tuncay :)
He's a risk since he'll be comming to Milan ( potential Eur. champions) directly from average league but i have a feeling he can make it.
Great in front of the goal and very solid as a winger !
ACMILAN1983
17-05-2007, 15:59
Well, maybe Galliani ought to quit bringing it up to the press over and over and over again, and the timing couldn't be any more piss-poor than a week before the final. This can't be splashed all over the media and then include that Milan doesn't want to get Dida all hot and bothered, because last time I checked, Dida doesn't live under a rock.
Galliani is such an unprofessional ass at times, it's not even funny. "No comment" is obviously not in his vocabulary.
As Warro said, chances are far more likely the press asked Galliani about this than Galliani bringing it up.
Dida is probably well aware that this could be his last season, and in reality I wouldn't be shocked if he already had the thought of leaving when signing his contract recently.
If he stays, then he'll continue in an environment he's comfortable in with plenty of cash and if he leaves, well it benefits the club now with money (who I guess he has a pretty good relationship with) and it let's him move on like he would have done if he let his contract run out.
ForeverMilan
17-05-2007, 17:06
As for La Liga,i dont want both of barcelona and real to win it,i just want Sevilla,firstly,Barcelona needs a cris since they have a great team which could be a problem for us in the coming years,a cris would calm them down,then they could think about selling eto'o or ronaldinho,which would be very positive for us.
Then,Real Madrid,i dont like them,by the way,i remind you that kaka was one of capello's targets,biggest man for them,but they cant manage to sign him,i doubt moratti would sell ibra to them.its very unlikely.
i have some concers regarding Tuncay Sanli,as you know turkish players,they are mentally weak,homesick e.t.c.
i said that his agent said that Milan,Oliympiakos and manchester city have asked for his player and however he is very close to playing in italia,his agent made this declarations 2 days ago and now it seems(according to media,spanish)barcelona,real madrid and Lyon entered the race for him.this all just media reports.
Regarding Tuncay,he is the one who can add pace to our attack,good tecnique,good dribbling skills,versatile,in my opinion i would rather to have tuncay sanli more than carlos tevez(who is very expensive as well)also considering tevez is 6 months out of form,6 months in form.
tuncay sanli would be nice as 3th choice or 4th choice,after that we would spend the money to strentgh the other part of the team such signing zambrotta and ribery.i say sign tuncay sanli if we dont manage to sign eto'o and however considering there wont be great names on the market on striker depart.
i would be very happy with a summer mercato like this
-Marzoratti
-Zambrotta
-Tuncay Sanli
-Ribery
-Pozzi
-Barusso
-Abbiati return
_MaJi_tz
17-05-2007, 18:02
oki tuncay is not bad but one name we must remeber rossi from parma(man utd)..
He is 1987 born great huge talent great in italy. And I remeber in one interw he said that he is big fan of ac milan.
I think that tevez would be very good for seria a maybe better than huntelar and torres(my big wish to see torres in milan)
dictatornz
17-05-2007, 18:17
i agree , rossi would be a great buy ... but i cant see man u parting with him for any thing but a large sum of money. IMO huntelaar, cassano/robinho, mexes lucho, montolivo. 5 players , and mayb buffon if berlu can give us a gift.
it's true, I am not saying that a move like that is completely impossible ... I think it is highly unlikely, though, for 3 main reasons:
1) Capello's future at real is anything but sure ...
2) Cassilas isn't just any player at Real,
3) I don't think Buffo will jump at the chance to work with capello,
These are circumstances that are peculiar to this case and I am not sure we could draw any parallels with past situations.
Either way, I don't see this one coming thru as I am not sure it would make much sense for either side invloved.
Hey Tony I don't think Zlat understands Capello .....the dark side of the force is veeeeeeeeeeeery strong with him.... :swars:
Us Milan fans on goal.com used to call him Darth Vader.........
Ramon Calderon ( to Capello): Lord Vader your defense is ready
(enter Buffon, Mexes and Barzagli in storm trooper outfits)
:D
If Zambrotta comes to Milan, I would play him left back instead of Janku. Janku can be his sub. Oddo and Zambro would play on the flanks. Wicked Italian defense.
Zambro ---- Maldini ------- Nesta ----- Oddo
If Zambrotta comes to Milan, I would play him left back instead of Janku. Janku can be his sub. Oddo and Zambro would play on the flanks. Wicked Italian defense.
Zambro ---- Maldini ------- Nesta ----- Oddo
Or you could play
Janku---Maldini---Nesta---Zambrotta
rosoneri_11
18-05-2007, 08:48
Chelsea to sign PSV's Alex for 50p
tribalfooball.com - May 17, 2007
Chelsea are close to sealing a deal for PSV Eindhoven defender Alex for just 50p!
The Daily Mail says Chelsea close to tying up the deal with Dutch champions PSV Eindhoven, who confirmed Alex has been in London for talks.
Alex was bought by Chelsea from Santos for £5million in 2004, but they were forced to "park" him at PSV after he failed to meet work-permit criteria.
Although Chelsea maintain they do not own the defender, who was named on Thursday night in the Brazil squad to play England at Wembley on June 1, the FA Cup Finalists have an agreement to re-sign him at any stage for $1 (50p).
PSV spokesman Pedro Salazar-Hewitt revealed on Thursday night: "Alex has been in London for talks with Chelsea.
"They held a series of meetings at the end of last month and it was done with the full co-operation of PSV. It is no problem."
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We lost him! :mad:
Any Sneijder fans would be disappointed to know he's most likely heading to Valencia at the end of the season.
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=12&a=43254
Ajax: Sneijder ad un passo dal trasferimento in Spagna
12:40 del 18 maggio
Wesley Sneijder si avvicina al Valencia. Il centrocampista olandese dell'Ajax ha dichiarato all'Algemeen Dagblad: "Spero che i due club trovino presto un accordo. Mi sento pronto per un'esperienza all'estero ed il Valencia è una grande squadra, dove mi piacerebbe giocare".
Il ds Carboni dovrebbe chiudere l'affare per una cifra intorno ai 15 milioni di euro.
Basically says he is close to Valencia. He hopes the two clubs (Ajax and Valencia) are close to an agreement and that he feels he's ready for an overseas experience, he thinks he's ready for it, Valencia is a big club etc etc. They're hoping to close the deal for around 15m euro.
zlatanov
18-05-2007, 09:34
Good player but don't think he was ready for Milan anyway ... a bit too inconsistent and often absent when it matters most ... and 15 mil is no pocket change either.
Probbaly a move to Spain is best for him ... if he proves himself there, then maybe the next step would further east.
Chelsea sign Alex so what? Have you heard what JM has said about him? He wont last 2 seasons in London.
It makes no difference wether he's brazilian or not or expected to attack or not, the fact is he's not the most disciplined player at the moment. He needs to learn when to attack and when to defend and not just continually run forward at every opportunity if it puts the team's shape in disarray. Roberto Carlos is a prime example, he runs around like a headless chicken and pops up everywhere, if Alves was more selective and thought a bit more about when to attack he'd take his level of play significantly higher.
You're missing the point if you think that Gattuso and/or Ambrosini will fix the problem, that's not their continual job, if it was you might aswell play either of those at right-back and stick Alves further upfield. If Gattuso and/or Ambrosini are constantly filling in for the 'not at home' full-back then you lose their bite in midfield.
I don't think Alves was very good at both ends either, he was good but not amazing. I wouldn't call a pass out wide to Navas a heavy hand in the second goal, plus you can counter balance that plus point as he was at fault for Espanyol's first goal.
As for Navas, yeah he has alot of skill but he's well known for being a poor traveller and quick to get home-sick, though maybe he's grown out of that by now.
Well it´s a job for Juande and not for Alves
If Juande is happy with Alves only attacking and don´t train him deffensive side, that´s nothing he can do unless train it by him own with another player
As I said, brazilian wingers are monstly offensive than deffensive, Roberto Carlos is a exception
Cafú, Serginho, Cicinho, Daniel Alves, Fábio Aurélio, Maxwell, Maicon, Ilsinho, Júnior... there are many exemples of brazilian wigers that are much better attacking than deffending
There are some ways to use they without make a hole in the deffend like a good tatic (but Milan don´t have a manager good enough for it), put that wingers to play as midfields (as Cafú at Roma), teach they how to deffend (Alves even can learn it) or do what I said, gave they a support with nice deffensive players as Gattuso and Ambrosini
I don´t know if you realized but when Gattuso and Ambrosini play together, Pirlo has more freedom to attack than when only Gattuso plays, that´s the intention about that idea, use more deffensive players to give freedom for another players attack
I still thinking that Daniel Alves would be a amazing option for Milan, that only have Cafú as a offensive winger and he is not the same as some years ago
If Alves don´t work out as a winger, he can even play in the midfield in a more offensive position
That´s kinda unfair that you blame Alves so much only cause he did a bad game
I like the team that Milan already have, I think the team just need a new player to sub Kaká and Seedorf (Anderson from Porto or Linconl from Schalke 04) and loan Gourcuff, a new offensive right winger for the place of Cafú (Daniel Alves), a new deffender for the place of Costacurta (Barzagli), Zambrotta cause he wants to leave Barcelona and it´s a huge opportunity for Milan to hire a amazing player for not so much money and a new sub for center midfields (Lucas or Van Bommel)
I don´t think Milan need a new team like some people seems to think, just replace some players, buy some players for sub and catch the amazing opportunity to hire Zambrotta
E' ormai risaputo che il futuro di Luca Toni sarà in Germania, ma va comunque citato un curioso retroscena: recentemente l'Inter avrebbe effettuato un ultimo disperato tentativo per arrivare al centravanti della Fiorentina. Secondo alcune indiscrezioni, i nerazzurri avrebbero infatti offerto al Bayern Monaco il brasiliano Adriano per cercare di convincere il club tedesco a 'mollare' Toni. La missione sarebbe però fallita sul nascere.
Tornando ad Adriano, anche Moratti si sarebbe convinto a cedere il giocatore a fine stagione. Memore del caso Ronaldo, il presidente dell'Inter starebbe però studiando la possibilità di inserire nel contratto una clausola 'anti-Milan', che ostacoli in qualche maniera un suo futuro trasferimento in maglia rossonera.
Not so much connected with transfers in/out of Milan ....
It's almost sure Luca Toni will play for Bayern but Inter with the last act of desperation will try to get Luca Toni. Inter will offer Adriano to Bayern just so they'll cancel Luca Toni transfer and let him go to Inter.
What's interesting to Milan fans is this :
" Moratti has only one condition - "Anti-Milan clause" , meaning, if Bayern someday sell Adriano they can sell him anywhere they want but to Milan"
These news aren't reliable, because "Some sources" say this could happen.
But if this is true, then it's official - Moratti is pooing his pants ( sorry for the expression Dev boy :) ) whenever he hears the name AC Milan.
He can't handle another Ronaldo case !
Source : http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=21&a=43249
Any Sneijder fans would be disappointed to know he's most likely heading to Valencia at the end of the season.
Luckily I also support Valencia:D <Milan more>. But I thought the transfer had collapsed? Sneijder is a amazing option for Milan. Milan need sneijder more than Valencia. If Valencia doesn't have so many injury problems, they don't need any midfielder.
Bosniaco
18-05-2007, 13:05
Or you could play
Janku---Maldini---Nesta---Zambrotta
Janku on the right? I never seein him play there, but I would move him to midfield if neccesary. I would go with:
Oddo Nesta Bonera Zambrotta
Niceeeee
zlatanov
18-05-2007, 13:09
:D
I think Kash meant Janku at LB and Zambrotta at RB ... going left to right
Bosniaco
18-05-2007, 13:13
:D
I think Kash meant Janku at LB and Zambrotta at RB ... going left to right
Sure, my bad lol. I like that option too. :respect:
rosoneri_11
18-05-2007, 14:10
" Moratti has only one condition - "Anti-Milan clause" , meaning, if Bayern someday sell Adriano they can sell him anywhere they want but to Milan"
Moratti is an ugly man
kastriot
18-05-2007, 16:35
What's interesting to Milan fans is this :
" Moratti has only one condition - "Anti-Milan clause" , meaning, if Bayern someday sell Adriano they can sell him anywhere they want but to Milan"
I respect Moratti for the love and patients that he invested in Inter but this is such a lack of class!!!!!!!!!!!!:grinser:
Samuca, Alves is a very good player going forward even thought he needs to improve some of his crosses when running in full speed. Anyhow, I think he is a great player offensively as I said and one of the best on the right side at the moment..........however when it comes to defensive abilities he is pretty bad. I have watched him a lot of times this season and almost every game gives me the same oppinion......his defensive awareness is not good at all. Now.........that can work in some teams with different systems........however in Milan's system that won't work. Our system is designed for good RB/RWB that can go forward and cause trouble however that HAVE to have be very good defensively as well. Yes Cafu is offensive like you mentioned......but please don't compare his defensive awareness to that of Alves because Cafu is a master of defending compared to Alves. So if you look at the type of players Milan looks for those positions is ones that can be good going forward but great at comming back as well. I would like to see Alves in Milan sometime, however he will need to learn how defend before he can play week in week out.
rosoneri_11
19-05-2007, 03:27
Samuca, Alves is a very good player going forward even thought he needs to improve some of his crosses when running in full speed. Anyhow, I think he is a great player offensively as I said and one of the best on the right side at the moment..........however when it comes to defensive abilities he is pretty bad. I have watched him a lot of times this season and almost every game gives me the same oppinion......his defensive awareness is not good at all. Now.........that can work in some teams with different systems........however in Milan's system that won't work. Our system is designed for good RB/RWB that can go forward and cause trouble however that HAVE to have be very good defensively as well. Yes Cafu is offensive like you mentioned......but please don't compare his defensive awareness to that of Alves because Cafu is a master of defending compared to Alves. So if you look at the type of players Milan looks for those positions is ones that can be good going forward but great at comming back as well. I would like to see Alves in Milan sometime, however he will need to learn how defend before he can play week in week out.
Nefremo i would disagree with you saying that ALves is not really good at defence.
Well i have also see him in many games and he has show me that he is a very good defender with
great stamina.And also hes crosses are just perfect, i belive the 85% of hes crosses are always
finding hes target.
I think ALves has it all for the perfect RB.The only bad for him is that he is not a lit of bit
more tall, thats only.
Well thats my opinion.
So Alex is off to Chelsea...well they actually had him all the time so, never mind it.
Some reports on calciomercato.it said that Zambrotta had a meeting with Milan officials and that Milan will go after him just like the last summer. For me this is a perfect solution as he is expercienced, italian and can play on both flanks, and IS THE BEST FULLBACK IN THE WORLD! :p017:
Also, they say Milan will go for Barzagli if Bonera leaves, which I doubt that will happen as Bonera just arrived and is a hard core Rossonero.
Eto'o said the same thing as Ronaldinho, that he is staying with Barca. There are 4 more rounds in Spain to play, and I doubt any players would say that he is leaving when they are still in the fight for the first place with Madrid and Sevilla.
Sheva...I dont want him back, aldough a part of me still wants to see him in his old red and black shirt with no.7...
Lets wait untill this CL final finishes, untill Primena finishes and then we'll see what Galliani can do. Im just afraid he'll wait too long like in the last suimmer mercato and then they'll just buy some old and drained players...
Samuca, Alves is a very good player going forward even thought he needs to improve some of his crosses when running in full speed. Anyhow, I think he is a great player offensively as I said and one of the best on the right side at the moment..........however when it comes to defensive abilities he is pretty bad. I have watched him a lot of times this season and almost every game gives me the same oppinion......his defensive awareness is not good at all. Now.........that can work in some teams with different systems........however in Milan's system that won't work. Our system is designed for good RB/RWB that can go forward and cause trouble however that HAVE to have be very good defensively as well. Yes Cafu is offensive like you mentioned......but please don't compare his defensive awareness to that of Alves because Cafu is a master of defending compared to Alves. So if you look at the type of players Milan looks for those positions is ones that can be good going forward but great at comming back as well. I would like to see Alves in Milan sometime, however he will need to learn how defend before he can play week in week out.
Cafú have a amazing history in football, he were even humble to fight and improve him skills in football
In the begin of him career, Cafú were rejected 9 times or more before join in professional team of São Paulo till the time that this club accept him, so Telê Santana had a huge job teaching him how to play football
Cafú were nothing but a bad player till the time that found a amazing manager to tech him how to play, so he won with São Paulo important titles as 2 Intercontinental Cups against Barcelona and Milan being a very important player to the team
I am not waiting that Ancelotti catch a bad player and turns he into a amazing player but the italian coach don´t have so much things to do with Daniel Alves, just teaching him how to deffend better would be enough
I agree of mostly of your points but we don´t have to wait that Milan only hire players with no points to fix
This is the job of a coach, teach to improve the skills of players and not just buy players already ready to play in a high level and if it doesn´t happen, just get rid of they
I think is totally awful to see players as Adriano and Reyes don´t have any idea how to use both legs or Rivaldo and Ricardo Oliveira being misplaced in Milan
Is even better to see a coach as Benitez, improving the skills of players, doing annotations in a paper even when him team isn´t playing, doing a good motivation work with players, etc
Sure, my bad lol. I like that option too. :respect:
Right, left- Same difference. :respect:
hishamilan
19-05-2007, 11:50
i am no open to north europe leagues but there must be some defender there who could fit to our expectation because unless alex all other known defenders will cost us a fortune
hishamilan
19-05-2007, 12:06
i am no ignorant ! i know france is down there by the sea but while i am waiting for zlat to scout north europe for cheap solid defenders i found one young french defender who is youness kaboul he is 1.92 m tall and very tough he plays for auxxerre and as arsenal said last jan. a 6-8 mil. offer is just more than enough for him
Rossoneri_11, I agree that he has a lot of stamina and is not an awful defender. As a matter of fact I agree that because of his stamina and conditioning he gets into tackles, however I wasn't talking about that type of defending. I was talking about defensive awareness. What I mean by that is that he leaves a huge gap behind him ALL THE TIME. He doesn't pick his moments of when to go forward, instead he goes flying up without any concern every time Sevilla get the ball. He leaves a huge gap behind him that make the whole defence shift and gets them out of shape. Now.......maybe that's how the coach tells him to play, however as good as he is at it I don't agree with his decisions of going forward on every occasion.
Anyhow, as I said I think he is a great player and I would love to see him at Milan at some point. I agree with Samuca that Ancelotti will need to work with him in the defensive end as well.
Tony, don't you cry tonight :D
Buffon bids farewell
Sunday 20 May, 2007
Juventus are back in Serie A, but Gianluigi Buffon hints he probably won’t be staying in Turin for that debut.
“I will tell you one thing – this party has to remain in my history and that of Juventus, because it is worth more than a Scudetto,” said the goalkeeper.
For several months now he has been cagey about his future, noting that had the Calciopoli demotion not occurred he would have already moved on seeking ‘new adventures.’
With Milan and Inter lining up to take him on, the World Cup winner’s comments after the 5-1 victory at Arezzo had a feel of farewell about them.
“I dedicate this promotion to the people who convinced me to stay. As for the future, no, this is not the time to talk about it. We’ll discuss the matter in a few weeks.”
Buffon’s contract runs until 2011, but it’s believed there was a verbal agreement between the club and goalkeeper freeing him if he helped them to climb out of Serie B.
He was the Bianconeri’s all-time biggest signing at £32m from Parma in 2001 and was runner-up in the Ballon d’Or this year behind former Juve teammate Fabio Cannavaro.
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/may20h.html
AC Milan needs these players to win the league and Champions League next year :5ok:
1-Igor Akinfeev (We need a gk for sure) :devf:
2-William Gallas (But Paolo and Nesta will be my 1st choice)
3-Morton Gamst Pedrson (2 partner Kaka')
4-Frank Lampard (Dream signing) :)
5-Phil Jagielka (a utility player, can play any where) :bri:
Terry close to Milan??! :bri: ( He didn't accept the new contrat ofert from Chelsea)
hishamilan
20-05-2007, 13:16
i see none of u have replied on my post of KABOUL so i think i can manage another name who is the same LUISAO of benfica "any comment about both zlatanov?"
Tribalfootball ( ??? ) says that Abidal has 2 clear offers, from Barca and Milan. It sounds quite possible...aldough I would like him to go to Barca and for Milan to get Zambrotta. :) But now its time for the final, mercato can wait....
zlatanov
21-05-2007, 07:49
i see none of u have replied on my post of KABOUL so i think i can manage another name who is the same LUISAO of benfica "any comment about both zlatanov?"
I haven't seen enough of Kaboul to say anything about him other than that he is physically tough and reminds me a lot of Jonathan Zebina.
Other than that, what these promising youngsters will become is always in the balance as talent is counts for nothing if one doesn't realize it and build/improve on it.
Luisao is coming thru the Brazil NT and his price has gone up since then. Juve are rumoured to be after him. Good solid defender but again I am not sure if he will be Milan starting material one day as I don't think he is now.
Not among the first 4-5 CDs I would like to see at Milan, but that doesn't mean he can't improve.
I haven't seen enough of Kaboul to say anything about him other than that he is physically tough and reminds me a lot of Jonathan Zebina.
Other than that, what these promising youngsters will become is always in the balance as talent is counts for nothing if one doesn't realize it and build/improve on it.
Luisao is coming thru the Brazil NT and his price has gone up since then. Juve are rumoured to be after him. Good solid defender but again I am not sure if he will be Milan starting material one day as I don't think he is now.
Not among the first 4-5 CDs I would like to see at Milan, but that doesn't mean he can't improve.
Juventus are rumored to be after everything that moves and know how to kick a ball :zany:
Abidal has 2 clear offers, from Barca and Milan.
Aluas, president of Lyon, has met with Barca officials and they have told him they've not made any offer or had talks with Abidal. Aluas has also put another deadline on transfers like he did last summer and said that any negotiations for Lyon players must be completed before June 31st, after which they will remain Lyon players.
Juventus are rumored to be after everything that moves and knows how to kick a ball
I don't think knowing how to kick a ball is needed for Juve players :grinser:
Chelsea To Use Boulahrouz To Net Alex?
Chelsea have their eyes set on PSV defender Alex, and plan to sign him either through a swap deal that would involve Boulahrouz, or simply through a cash deal.
Dutch defender Khalid Boulahrouz has failed to impress in the Premiership, and Chelsea are left unsatisfied by the performances of the at times brutal defender.
Jose Mourinho has now rediscovered the interest in signing Alex, who had already been 'signed' last summer.
The Brazilian defender, affectionately nicknamed as 'the tank', was sold to PSV Eindhoven last year after he was denied a work permit in England.
In order to re-sign Alex, Chelsea’s management are either considering a swap deal involving Boulahrouz, or a straight cash deal. An agreement is said to be close, given the close relationship the two clubs share.
However, there is still an outstanding issue that may hinder Alex’s return to Chelsea: the player does not meet the criteria to gain a work permit (a big push will thus be needed over the summer).
The other options for Chelsea are Bolton's Tal Ben Haim, who was close to a move in January, and Mourinho's compatriot Jorge Andrade, currently playing with Deportivo
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=309918
so it looks like Alex is not Chelsea's property after all.
zlatanov
23-05-2007, 05:12
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=309918
so it looks like Alex is not Chelsea's property after all.
I wouldn't take news like this for granted coming from one source only, and what a source it is :grinser:
It may well be just goal.com's interpretation of whatever the reality surrounding the shady dealings between Chelski and PSV is. :)
well, the information about trying to obtain alex's services for boulharouz or cash looks like a speculation. but the article clearly says that the defender was sold last summer. that doesn't look like something somebody would made up, cause it would make the author look stupid :)
zlatanov
23-05-2007, 05:44
well, the information about trying to obtain alex's services for boulharouz or cash looks like a speculation. but the article clearly says that the defender was sold last summer. that doesn't look like something somebody would made up, cause it would make the author look stupid :)
stitch, the article is indeed made to look filled with certainty and seems very asuring but so do all made up rumours ... all in all that's the whole point of a all the inventions we're encountering in the press - they have to look "real".
I doubt, bar a handful of people out there, really know what Alex's deal really is, so what is left for a back-yard site like goal.com to have "the info".
There have been several speculations floating around regarding Alex's situation and they all seem to be more guesses than anything else ... it's probably that goal.com just picked one of them and used for "factual basis" for their article.
Actually, if there is one source I would trust more when it comes to Alex, is PSV coach R. Koeman, who was quatedon uefa.com after the Arsenal-PSV game saying that he would love to keep Alex on loan for one more year but for that to happen PSV will have to reach an agreemen with Chelski (or something along those lines) ... that would hardly be the case if PSV had FULL ownership for Alex, whihc is what goal.com seems to claim.
well...a few weeks ago there were rumors that chelski can buy alex for a pound... maybe psv really has full ownership, but chelsea has a clause which allows them to buy him that cheap?
who knows :)
look at me debating about a player i don't like at all :D
Kaka1899
23-05-2007, 05:57
i read yesterday in the newspaper that Chelski said we can have Sheva for 20 Mil plus Kaladze?
i read yesterday in the newspaper that Chelski said we can have Sheva for 20 Mil plus Kaladze?
No thanks. We have to keep KK. Stay in your cockney hell ES.
hishamilan
23-05-2007, 12:59
damn! kaboul went to tottenham but again i say that since maldini renewed 1 year it is better to look at midfeild subs and starters that defence + 1 sub defender + 1 forward
hishamilan
23-05-2007, 13:00
any midfeilders milan linked to?
zlatanov
23-05-2007, 13:25
barusso, ze roberto, ribery, keita have been often associated with Milan, the first 3 more or less officialy on the radar - at one point or another Milan coaches/officials have spoken about them as "players of interest".
Other than that, the press has linked us with at least a dozen different mids, more notably Diarra and Emerson (Real M).
on tribalfootbal (well... i dont have to post the link for tribal right ?:P) :
sheva's mistress ask him to return home (milan).
GilAttack [11]
23-05-2007, 16:21
So we won the UCL. How is this going to affect our transfer policy? Keep them all (main pieces) and add just minor pieces? Or bring someone like Ronaldinho (huge impact)?
Berlu also has some extra dough now...
Graeme C
23-05-2007, 16:55
well it will mean we can take a lil longer to prepare and get ourselves ready for next season! :) it makes our side look more appealing to new players cough cough Buffon and zambrotta :)
ForeverMilan
23-05-2007, 18:23
Now the objective is to improve the squad even more: "Our intention is to improve the squad even more, to make a great purchase. Buffon? We have always admired him, but we've never made a move for him. We have always shown our support for Dida, and tonight he showed he is a great keeper."
we all knew which players carlo demanded from berlu if he wins the cup and he won the cup,Ribery,alex and eto'o
fingers crossed
well it will mean we can take a lil longer to prepare and get ourselves ready for next season! :) it makes our side look more appealing to new players cough cough Buffon and zambrotta :)
Yeh, I was thinking that cuz imagine if you was a player and wanted to play in the CL which club would you join?
Blacktop
23-05-2007, 22:42
Buffon? We have always admired him, but we've never made a move for him. We have always shown our support for Dida, and tonight he showed he is a great keeper."
Doesn't that kinda contradict Galliani's statement last month that we resigned Dida after learning Buffon was not for sale?
I think it will be very Harsh on the likes of Flippo Inzaghi, Janku, Kaladze, Seedorf and Ambrosini :respect: if AC Milan really wants to sign the likes of Eto'o, Zambrotta, Alex and Ze Roberto etc. I think all these players have one more season in them. They won the Champions League after all :bri: So I would prefare to keep the same group of players, but we definitely need a keeper. Buffon will be ideal :5ok: , But he won't come so Akinfeev is the second best choice :devf:
kastriot
24-05-2007, 03:22
I think it will be very Harsh on the likes of Flippo Inzaghi, Janku, Kaladze, Seedorf and Ambrosini :respect: if AC Milan really wants to sign the likes of Eto'o, Zambrotta, Alex and Ze Roberto etc. I think all these players have one more season in them. They won the Champions League after all :bri: So I would prefare to keep the same group of players, but we definitely need a keeper. Buffon will be ideal :5ok: , But he won't come so Akinfeev is the second best choice :devf:
Its not harsh Zekaay, next Season MOTIVATION will be a big issue for most of the players... thats a fact,
Dida,Rinho,Pirlo,Nesta,PIppo,: 2 times CL winner, WC winner
Maldini: 5 times CL winner
Seedorf:4 times CL winner
Ambro:2 times CL winner
ODDO,GILa:CL winner,WC winner
KAkA, CL winner,WC winner- though I think he can still find a motivation if he wants to remain the best.
The thing is that we need couple of new player,But not players that make THese HEROES threaten,cuz this should be our base of players or the upcoming season. Some new players that will be really motivated to make a balance in our team, Maybe than our CHAMPIONS will find smth for what to fight for!!!!!!!
The likes of HUntelar,Barruzo,Zambrotta,Diego/ribery + Ronaldo(who obviously lost some weight, if u`ve seen him last night)
------------Dida------------
Oddo--Nesta--Kaladze--Zambrotta
-----------PIrlo---------------
-----Rinho--------Ambro-------
----Kaka---------Seedorf-----
--------- Ronaldo----------
the bench:
Kalac,Maldini,Bonera,Janku,Barruzo,Gorky,Ribery,Gila
p.s If sheva comes back I think we might change back to tactics with two Strikers.And once again Ambro will lose its place!!!!:(
Now it would be fair that Galliani buys the players Carlo wants! Ribery, Eto'o and CB!!
zlatanov
24-05-2007, 05:42
according to the Spanish press, Emerson is close to coming to Milan (a figure in the vicinity of 10 mil is being mentioned):
http://www.calciomercato.it/dettaglioNewsCategoria.asp?hdnIdCategoria=2&hdnId=8105
That is waaaay too much for him! Plus, we have to deal with Real Merda! NO TO EMERSON. Let him stay there.
according to the Spanish press, Emerson is close to coming to Milan (a figure in the vicinity of 10 mil is being mentioned):
http://www.calciomercato.it/dettaglioNewsCategoria.asp?hdnIdCategoria=2&hdnId=8105
I heard they want R.O in that deal, this would depend on if R10 was to come our way.
Now after Carlo has won, and I've heard a lot of talk that if he wins Milan will go for the players he wants, we could see Kaladze off to Chelsea... like this....
1. Carlo wants Alex, and he is owned by Chelsea...
2. Mourinho actually stopped Alex transfer to Chelsea in few occasions as he apparently doesnt want him in there....
3.Kaladze was already linked and almost signed with Chelsea last summer, and plus, he and Sheva are best friends....
4. Sheva WILL NOT come back to Milan
5.... we get Alex and give them Kaladze....
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I really like Kaladze and he is a versatily player who we can also use as a LB, but if the man is unhappy, than we should take this chance to get Alex who is only 23 and is a brilliant player who can be a future of our defence....
zlatanov
24-05-2007, 07:03
if kaladze does leave then we'll need to get 2 CBs, at least, as we need one now even with Kakha in the team.
Billy is gone, Maldini at almost 39 yo is no longer a guarantee from a physical point of view, and Simic is on his way out, it seems as he wants to play more regularly and also this last season hasn't been too kind to his performances for the club when called upon.
Also, Maldini is certain to undergo a knee surgery to take care of his swallen-knee problem (the one that doesn't allow him to play two consecutive games) and even if the surgery is successful, he is expected to be on the sidelines for close to the entire summer, so he will need some time into the regular season before he is match-fit again.
Ideally for me, we'd keep Kaladze and get one of ALex, Chivu, or Mexes, in that order as one wouldn't want too many new faces at the back since the new players will take some time to fit in, if ever.
btw, I think there is great chace IMO that SHeva is coming back - an offer of around 20-25 mil euros (not inlcuding Kaladze in the deal) would be more than enough to let him go (let's not forget that Sheva and Roman are very good friends too and Roman could agree to make his firend happy).
I personally would prefer to see Milan go for some younger blood though, now that we have Ronaldo.
calciomercato says we'll go for Eto'o, Zambrotta and emerson....for now.
kastriot
24-05-2007, 07:40
if kaladze does leave then we'll need to get 2 CBs, at least, as we need one now even with Kakha in the team.
Billy is gone, Maldini at almost 39 yo is no longer a guarantee from a physical point of view, and Simic is on his way out, it seems as he wants to play more regularly and also this last season hasn't been too kind to his performances for the club when called upon.
Also, Maldini is certain to undergo a knee surgery to take care of his swallen-knee problem (the one that doesn't allow him to play two consecutive games) and even if the surgery is successful, he is expected to be on the sidelines for close to the entire summer, so he will need some time into the regular season before he is match-fit again.
Ideally for me, we'd keep Kaladze and get one of ALex, Chivu, or Mexes, in that order as one wouldn't want too many new faces at the back since the new players will take some time to fit in, if ever.
btw, I think there is great chace IMO that SHeva is coming back - an offer of around 20-25 mil euros (not inlcuding Kaladze in the deal) would be more than enough to let him go (let's not forget that Sheva and Roman are very good friends too and Roman could agree to make his firend happy).
I personally would prefer to see Milan go for some younger blood though, now that we have Ronaldo.
Agree with zlat, I think we need to keep kaladze...and get one of the above mentioned... CHivu should be the best solution as his been seen as Maldini successor from the Ajax times....and his matured a lot lately.
I dont see the point of bringing sheva back now,after the latest display of Ronaldo,Seedorf and Ambro(most likely will loose its place to Sheva)....Bring new blood(read Huntelar or somebody else)
If we Bring sheva than I think we should sell Gila(I dont think he would like to be the third violin,if he couldnt get a starting place with only Pippo available then most likely he wont play with both Sheva and Ronaldo).Lets face it Gila has never been the most loyal player,he would probably leave.(Dru would be delighetd :grinser: )
Milan Rule Out Buffon Move (http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=468339&CPID=21&clid=120&lid=8&title=Milan+rule+out+Buffon+move)
Milan president Silvio Berlusconi has ruled out making a bid for Juventus keeper Gianluigi Buffon.
The Rossoneri are still on cloud nine following their UEFA Champions League final win over Liverpool, but club president Berlusconi is already making plans for next term.
Italy World Cup winner Buffon has long been linked with a move away from Turin despite Juve securing promotion back to Serie A.
Milan have been put forward as likely summer suitors, but Berlusconi claims he has the utmost faith in Brazilian Dida and is not looking to bring in Buffon.
"Buffon?" Berlusconi told the Italian press. "No, I can exclude this affair.
"He's a big keeper but we have a big faith in Dida with whom we have also recently extended a contract."
I want to dedicate the Champions League trophy for ALL players who decided NOT to join Milan last summer due to the little chance of us not participating in the CL. *cough* Zambrotta *cough*
I want to dedicate the Champions League trophy for ALL players who decided NOT to join Milan last summer due to the little chance of us not participating in the CL. *cough* Zambrotta *cough*
hahaha! Bravo!!! Ibra, Zambrotta, Cannavaro, Sheva...this is for you guys!!
GilAttack [11]
24-05-2007, 10:15
Emerson? :irritate:
This trophy is also for Rui, Stam, Crespo, & all who were robbed in Istanbul.
ACMILAN1983
24-05-2007, 10:42
I don't see us losing Kaladze to Chelsea after some of his recent comments. He seems to feel Sheva isn't appreciated there at all and that he was very glad he didn't go Chelsea when he could have before.
As for Emerson, can't say I want him.
You just win the league and the first name you are heavily associated with is Emerson in a deal worth £7 million + Oliveira! :wth:
I don't get this move at all, you have Ze Roberto who is the better player playing really well, full of confidence and a free transfer (99% sure of that) and then you have Emerson who's being heckled and is down on his luck. Why waste the funds? Seems a strange choice and not one we should go for, let him stay in Madrid, we don't want him.
We have plenty of experience, we don't need more we need young exciting prospects or reasonably established players.
Milan_Mad
24-05-2007, 10:53
£7 million + Oliveira is ridiculous for a 32 yrd old who has totally had his day.. please no Emerson id prefer Jimmy Bullard over Emerson
£7 million + Oliveira is ridiculous for a 32 yrd old who has totally had his day.. please no Emerson id prefer Jim over Emerson
Thanks mate :5ok: I am quite good you know :grinser:
Milan_Mad
24-05-2007, 11:11
Thanks mate :5ok: I am quite good you know :grinser:You silly boy :grinser:
Oliveira is really involved in some special deals. First we pay him 15 mil and he plays like crap, than Madrid wants im for some unknown reason. Wow, this agent has some great connections around europe... Emerson is simply too old and was always unfair player, I dont want him in Milan. Ze Roberto is free and in better shape than Emerson, also more creative!
Blacktop
24-05-2007, 11:31
£7 million + Oliveira is ridiculous for a 32 yrd old who has totally had his day.. please no Emerson id prefer Jimmy Bullard over Emerson
Or Jimmy Buffett. :)
Emerson is over the hill and was one of many Brazilians who sucked in last summer's WC.
Maybe its Robinho not Emerson :zany:
(not that I am big fan of Robinho)
£7 million + Oliveira for me and Robinho, now you're talking :guw:
Cmon Milan. We've just won the CL. We should be building for the future, not buying crap like this. Take us forward, we want 8, 9, 10, ...., not backwards with this average, average player.
zlatanov
24-05-2007, 11:48
I think channel 4 is talking with their feet on that one - 10 mil euros+RO for Emerson is something Real M can only dream of. The article also mentions that RO earns 4.2 mil BP/year at Milan which is close to 6.5 mil euros ... anyone here believing that?
Milan paid Real M 7-8 mil for a player of Ronaldo's quality when he was 30 yo ... why would we pay 2-3 times that for a player who is even older, nowehere near as famous, and equally unsettled at Real M, who would probably be happy to get rid of Emerson ... which was pretty much the case with Ronie.
As for Emerson, I would prefer other players but he isn't that bad of a choice either ... he would add solidity and muscle to the center mid (Porlo's role), which we currently don't have apart from maybe Ambro.
Hopefully, that doesn't mean we are letting Barusso go as he could turn out to be quite some find.
ForeverMilan
24-05-2007, 11:58
-its again seen in final we need to sign one LWB
-Zambrotta(he just said that he stays)
-Abidal he will be on the market,why dont we sign abidal and let him fight with marek for LWB position,he is just valued at 10 m euros
-Kaladze wants to leave,i like him and however rate him yet he is very prone to injuries otherwise he and nesta formed a great partnership since last year
-instead of kaladze,i say swap alex and kaladze,which would be positive for 2 teams as well.
-with the arrival of abidal,alex and marzoratti our defensive part completed.
-Emerson?no way.he doesnt accept the bench and already 32 years old,Barusso would be nice for us,also considering ze roberto would better move for us than emerson
-Ribery?i really want him at Milan,since then we could have more options on midfield,who could add some pace to milan in midfield,he really could very nice addition to us,above all he is very versatile
-switch gattuso to max's position and put ribery at there
=Ribery====Pirlo======Gattuso=====Seedorf====
or
=============Gattuso===================
===Ribery========Pirlo=======Seedorf=======
=========Kaka========Ronaldo============
on attack?i dont know who to come,after reading eto'o desire on staying at barcelona,maybe we could sign a fast young striker to replace oliveira as now names doesnt come to my mind,but no tevez,i dont want 6 month out of form 6 mounth in form player at milan.
ForeverMilan
24-05-2007, 12:09
Ricardo oliveira earns 1.6 m euros a year at us,thats what i remember about him.
i forgot to mention zapata and lucho gonzalez,these 2 would be great addition to us as well but yet carlo will decide.
_MaJi_tz
24-05-2007, 12:41
we need xtra DM and its more likely will be Emerson(32)
But I think that Carlo likes De Rossi very very much
we will see
I don't want Emerson by no way. He is old, his is not hungry, it's time to buy a more motivated player... De Rossi is excellent but to be a replacement?.
Zlat how many changes you think that our first line up will have next year?.
Looks like Zambrotta has snubbed a move back to Milan, I just dont understand why
Looks like Zambrotta has snubbed a move back to Milan, I just dont understand why
I don't care, don't got stuck to some players, Bayern signed the one you said in the past, Jensen?, the LB.
Milan_Mad
24-05-2007, 15:30
We can not take Janku at LB for another year! but dont believe everything you read on Channel 4 Zambro may still come
zlatanov
24-05-2007, 15:48
I don't want Emerson by no way. He is old, his is not hungry, it's time to buy a more motivated player... De Rossi is excellent but to be a replacement?.
Zlat how many changes you think that our first line up will have next year?.
I think Milan will try to build a squad with 17-18 first team players, as opposed to the current 13-14, as this is the only way to attack both the scudetto and the CL without losing steam somewhere in the middle ... these would be players who would give Carlo more tactical options and he would feel comfotable fielding them from the start in important games and not just sticking with the same faces no matter how tired they are or out of shape.
The idea is that some players like Pirlo, Seedorf, Kaka should get more rest than they have had in recent years so that they are in top shape when called upon.
So getting someone like De Rossi would not necessarily mean that he will be a bench player as in modern football, if we want to have realistic chances both in serie A and CL, we can't have more than 5-6 bench players out of 25 ... only dif id that one such player isntead of having to play 60-70 games per season for Milan and National team, he would play 30-40 while someone else would play the rest.
I personally think we would get 1-3 real champions of the sort of Buffon, Zambrotta, Dinho, Eto'o, return of Shevchenko, Alex, Chivu, Trezeguet, Abidal etc
And 3-5 players of good quality (good players but less expensive and less famous than the ones above and possibly some of them a bit on the older, more experienced side) like Ze Roberto, Emerson, Ribery, Keita, etc and possibly Barusso too who would be a talanted player but would probably spend less time on the field at first, at least until he gets used to the team (like Gourcuff) ... maybe even Marzoratti, although with cafu staying and Oddo here too, I guess we would need a new LB much more than stack up youngsters, who won't get much playing time anyway.
Players to leave - Billy, Grimi (on loan), maybe even Kaladze given the latest developments, Brocchi, Simic, maybe even Favalli, at least one of Gila/RO, and possibly Sergio too.
I think thee is also a chance for Gorky to be loaned out (Roma are rumoured to have expressed interest) but that would depend on Carlo's plans for his development.
It's been said, By Galliani, that Marzoratti, Pozzi, and Donati are coming back but I think this would be just for the summer before they are sent out on loan to other clubs as I really don't see us filling up 3 spots on the roaster with unproven youngsters given that we have to battle with some pretty strong teams in Italy, not to mention what's waiting for us in the CL.
Doesn't that kinda contradict Galliani's statement last month that we resigned Dida after learning Buffon was not for sale?
he can be a good politician then :grinser:
i agree with everyone's opinions about the squad, and buying young and solid players like de rossi, rosina, ribery, blah blah blah. but look at the squad that won ucl this year, look at maldini, look at 33 y o inzaghi. if players can still play, let em play. it seems like their age bothers us more than them.
i read yesterday in the newspaper that Chelski said we can have Sheva for 20 Mil plus Kaladze?
That's way too much He's at the same age as Ronaldo. Why would we need to spend money that much more him?
Im really not for Sheva coming back, but I've seen an interwiew with Silvio today and he said his no.1 transfer target is Shevchenko. Then he said that our dream is Ronaldinho and they will try for him if Barca decides to sell him, same old story....
Im sure that if Abidal goes to Barca Milan has a good chance to sign Zambrotta. But we could end up with Abidal as well. Which is also a great solution as he is a great player, mostly defensively.
Carlo todaqy said that if we want to go to higher level we will need few players, im quite sure Milan will do something positive this summer.
Yeah, time to move on from Sheva, as he and his wife did from us. We need 'new' players, not former ones.
I think better cover for all our main players (Nesta, Pirlo, Kaka) is required, and a new CB (for Paolo) LB, and a RB. Another striker, considering Oli and Borrielo's ineptness, is welcome.
According to German "Bild" , Bayern Munich have secured Franck Ribery for 15 million Euro. Ribery accepted Bayern's offer.
Bayern officials refused to confirm or deny this rumour.
http://www.bild.t-online.de/BTO/news/telegramm/Newsticker,rendertext=1893678.html
Is Bild reliable ?
zlatanov
25-05-2007, 07:12
well, let's say there have been lots of rumours there that didn't turn out to be true eventually.
That doesn't mean however that this one isn't true as Bayern do need a player like Ribery and need him desperately.
Still, I would expect Ribery to take more time with the choice of his next club as moving away from Bayern won't be easy and I think he could do much better than playing in the bundesliga and with a team which will not play in UEFA CL next year ... after all, the summer campaign hasn't even begun yet, no need to tie himself up to a club just yet as other, better offers could come in the next 1-2 months.
I have my doubts 'cause of the price tag also.
15 million ?
24 years extra talent, starting XI French NT attcking midfielder/winger...... i can't believe some other team didn't offer at least 20m.
And if some past reports were true, then Ribery said how he wants CL more than anything.
Why would he leave Marselle, the team he led to Champions League, to join Bayern ? He can stay in France, play with his team in CL, and join the Germans next year.
Although, Bayern Munich is one of the 5 greatest names and teams in football history and CL or not, many great players would like to go there. If they get Toni and few more players, then i'm not suprised Ribery would like to join them and risk one year without CL.
But why would Marselle let him go for 15m ? That's what i don't understand
zlatanov
25-05-2007, 07:35
I think 15-20 mil is a more realistic price range for him as opposed to the 20-25 mil that were quoted some time ago.
after all, the "new Zidane" tag can only drive his price that much ... for more he has yet to prove himself at the really big level beyong League 1.
In the NT he hasn't really made wonders either ... he is playing well but all the euphoria about his debut there seems to have calmed down now ... and the guy is 24 already - a lot of players in his role have achieved much more and managed to establish themsleves by that age ... I don't think he is at that level yet.
And if Marseille wanted to make sure that they don't miss on Bayern's concrete offer (provided there was one), with no other clubs coming forward, they may have well accepted 15 mil for Ribery - after all, a players price isn't determined by rumours in the papers but by what the highest REAL bid is.
One of the most over rated players in modern times - Dude had one pretty decent World Cup and his the new 'Zidane' lol. Anyway I think hes confused have you ever seen his interviews? Everyday he has a new team he wants to join. Last I heard he wanted to join a team that was playing in the CL and im sure Bayern missed out on that.
One of the most over rated players in modern times - Dude had one pretty decent World Cup and his the new 'Zidane' lol. Anyway I think hes confused have you ever seen his interviews? Everyday he has a new team he wants to join. Last I heard he wanted to join a team that was playing in the CL and im sure Bayern missed out on that.
agreed. Besides, he's one of the ugliest players around, so our member mzk definitly thinks like us :D
hitmannq8
25-05-2007, 12:47
Galliani is quoted on Gazzetta sayin that if Milan were to buy any player this summer it would definitely be a striker. We are covered in defense and midfield. We will return our players that are on loan. Gilardino is staaying 100% next season and Kaka will not join Real Madrid.
Our midfield and defense is fine? I hope we're not goin to see another summer transfer season like last one. We need an attacking left-back to take Janku's place and some1 like Alex for CB and Dani Alves for RB. Ofcourse i know we can't get all the players but we need to buy some. I am not satisfied with Janku at left back, its true he, just like Kaladze, always try their best but unfortunately their best isn't good enough.
Players like Brocchi cannot be depended on. We need alot of new midfielders. We certainly need one to replace Kaka now and then, we also need one for Pirlo. Strikers, I think we will need a world-class 2nd striker because I have a funny feeling that Ronaldo will not perform next season.
I don't know if it's the same news, but according to this Bayern allready took Ribery:
http://www.abc.net.au/sport/content/200705/s1933916.htm
And on other places i read how they're only waiting for transfer window to open and to make it official.
Spanish press continues with "Kaka game" eventhough Galliani said there's absolutely no chance Kaka to leave Milan:
"La stampa spagnola non lascia in pace il Milan neanche nel giorno della festa per la conquista della Champions. Marca ha riportato un'intervista rilasciata da Robinho in cui il brasiliano rivela che il suo amico e connazionale Kakà sogna di vestire la maglia blanca del Real Madrid. "Non so se Kakà arriverà visto che adesso è Campione d'Europa. So solo che Il Real gli piace molto, parla molto bene di questa squadra e mi ha rivelato che sarebbe un sogno giocare qui, ma è molto difficile che il Milan lo lasci andare".
Translation :
Spanish press isn't giving peace to Milan even on the day when they'll be celebrating CL victory. "Marca" has an interview with Robinho where the Brasilian says how his friend and compatriot Kaka has a dream of wearing Real Madrid's jersey.
" I don't know if Kaka will come to Real, concidering he just won the CL. But i know he likes Real a lot, he's saying very nice things about Real and he revealed to me how his dream is to play for Real but how it's not likely Milan to let him go"
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=12&a=43882
Spanish press continues with "Kaka game" eventhough Galliani said there's absolutely no chance Kaka to leave Milan:
"La stampa spagnola non lascia in pace il Milan neanche nel giorno della festa per la conquista della Champions. Marca ha riportato un'intervista rilasciata da Robinho in cui il brasiliano rivela che il suo amico e connazionale Kakà sogna di vestire la maglia blanca del Real Madrid. "Non so se Kakà arriverà visto che adesso è Campione d'Europa. So solo che Il Real gli piace molto, parla molto bene di questa squadra e mi ha rivelato che sarebbe un sogno giocare qui, ma è molto difficile che il Milan lo lasci andare".
Translation :
Spanish press isn't giving peace to Milan even on the day when they'll be celebrating CL victory. "Marca" has an interview with Robinho where the Brasilian says how his friend and compatriot Kaka has a dream of wearing Real Madrid's jersey.
" I don't know if Kaka will come to Real, concidering he just won the CL. But i know he likes Real a lot, he's saying very nice things about Real and he revealed to me how his dream is to play for Real but how it's not likely Milan to let him go"
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=12&a=43882
This kind of news make no sense, spanish newspapper write rubbish just to earn money
If Real Madrid had a chance to hire Kaká it was in Calciopoli, not after he win a Champions League
This news are so insane like "Milan wants Ronaldinho"
We need a clinical striker.
ForeverMilan
25-05-2007, 17:18
i think we need a player like david Villa in attack,i mean his style,honestly according to me,Pato would be so nice but yet it seems milan decided on him letting him grow at there,i hope we sign eto'o or a player at his calibre,i still believe eto'o might be a milan player next year even though he declared that he would stay where he is,if we dont manage to sign eto'o
Suazzo=he is on the market,Roma and inter are after him,why not?
Tuncay sanli=free agent,real,bayern are after him.
Saviola=free agent,okay very inconsistent but good player though
Rossi=good player,a milanista,yet he wants to prove himself at there
iaquntinta=almost juve player
Sheva=no way.
Our midfield and defense is fine? I hope we're not goin to see another summer transfer season like last one. We need an attacking left-back to take Janku's place and some1 like Alex for CB and Dani Alves for RB. Ofcourse i know we can't get all the players but we need to buy some. I am not satisfied with Janku at left back, its true he, just like Kaladze, always try their best but unfortunately their best isn't good enough.
Players like Brocchi cannot be depended on. We need alot of new midfielders. We certainly need one to replace Kaka now and then, we also need one for Pirlo. Strikers, I think we will need a world-class 2nd striker because I have a funny feeling that Ronaldo will not perform next season.[/QUOTE]
I also like Dani Alves, but we got Oddo at January who was good at the CL final. Now generally speaking for defense, by sure we need a CB, Mexes, Chivu and a LB.
I also agree about midfield Kaka is indispensable so we cannot take a replacement, for the place of Pirlo, a player like Snejder would be good and we need a player to place instead of Gattusso. It's also a choise Ambro to come after Rino because we will not play with 4-5-1, with a LB also Janku will return to midfied.
Finally in the attack Oliveira will go away, i also doubt about Ronaldo's and Inzaghi's fitness, so Gila,, return of Sheva and another one.
:5ok:
Warro Bantan
25-05-2007, 17:39
I like Suazo and think we should go for him...he has youth, pace to kill, and a good eye for goal....should be, but I am certain its:
Ronaldinho,
Etoo
Any other
In terms of Berlu´s preferences.
Hasan Rossonero
25-05-2007, 18:46
Galliani is quoted on Gazzetta sayin that if Milan were to buy any player this summer it would definitely be a striker. We are covered in defense and midfield. We will return our players that are on loan. Gilardino is staaying 100% next season and Kaka will not join Real Madrid.
Our midfield and defense is fine? I hope we're not goin to see another summer transfer season like last one. We need an attacking left-back to take Janku's place and some1 like Alex for CB and Dani Alves for RB. Ofcourse i know we can't get all the players but we need to buy some. I am not satisfied with Janku at left back, its true he, just like Kaladze, always try their best but unfortunately their best isn't good enough.
Players like Brocchi cannot be depended on. We need alot of new midfielders. We certainly need one to replace Kaka now and then, we also need one for Pirlo. Strikers, I think we will need a world-class 2nd striker because I have a funny feeling that Ronaldo will not perform next season.
My God man, are you ever positive? :D
As for Janku, I like him. He did well for us this year IMO, but in the Final he had a shocker. :nervous:
I don't think Jankulovski is good enough. His defending skill is terrible. He made many mistakes and often left a hole in our defend because he couldn't run back fast enough after a attack.
I don't want a summer like last summer, but it seems be to so:(.
rossoneroid
25-05-2007, 22:26
I hope that we dont signed Ronaldinho, I prefer to have a player like Eto'o, it will be a cracking duo for having both Ronaldo-Eto'o upfront. But somehow, the price will be expensive.
not to disrespect Dida, but I still want Buffon. and Zambrotta too.
hishamilan
26-05-2007, 03:30
many... many rumours were turned down till now like :
lucas --+ liverpool
ribery --+ buyern
i think galliani must hurry up to get barusso + lucho gonzales + huntelaar + alex then we would be sufficiently a great squad
hishamilan
26-05-2007, 03:32
i read barzaglia's agent saying on www.football-rumours.com that negotiations with fiorentina isn't going fine so ........
Personally, I think of Eto did decide to leave he would not join Milan. Im sure some time back he said that last time he was in Italy something happened but I cant fully remember so im not sure. Maybe it was another country, but anyhow if he was to come him and ronaldo would be mental.
King tiger
26-05-2007, 04:57
it was Abidal i think, ho talked bout racism in Italy
zlatanov
26-05-2007, 05:12
actually, if it was Abidal you are talking about, his biggest complaint regarding racism in Italy came after De Rossi had insulted him several times during the Roma-Lyon tie in this year's CL ... that's what allegedly put him off and after those games, Abidal said that he would prefer going to Spain or England rather than Italy.
Ironically, Eto'o has had much bigger issues with racism in Spain and even came close to walking off the pitch during an away game Barca had last year (very similar to what Zoro, I think, did last year in Serie A).
Abidal's prefered destination seems to be Spain and Barca but in SPain there have been many, many problems with racial chants from the stands and let's not forget about the problems their NT coach, Aragonez, created after it became obvious he had made racial insults towards Thiery Henry.
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