Winter Mercato [Archive] - Page 18

Hasan Rossonero

24-06-2007, 22:51

Fabio Capello has suggested it will be impossible for Real Madrid to tempt Milan into selling Kaka.

Real president Ramon Calderon has reiterated his dream to bring the Brazilian playmaker to the Bernabeu over the summer.

Milan are refusing to entertain offers for Kaka and are determined to resist the Spanish champions' close-season overtures.

Capello, whose future as Real coach is due to be decided in the coming days, feels Kaka represents the image of the current Milan side.

And the Italian does not expect Rossoneri president Silvio Berlusconi to cave in to Real's desire to bring Kaka to the Spanish capital.

"It is an unrealisable dream, knowing Silvio Berlusconi," Capello told Sky Italia.

"He wants Milan to be the best team in the world and he counts on Kaka to achieve that.

"Before, the image of Milan was the one with Maldini, the beautiful face.

"Now that function belongs to the Brazilian."

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From skysports.com

Hasan Rossonero

24-06-2007, 22:53

I posted this on another forum (my view on TV revenue sharing):

Let's not forget that Galliani made tons of noise about the financial woes of Serie A in 2002, and Milan bought Nesta, Rivaldo etc.

This is political posturing. Who owns a big chunk of the TV market in Italy? Well, don't you think his right hand man will make the right noises.

The reason why we haven't made a big signing is because, well, we haven't had the need to. Since 2002, Milan has won ALOT or done really well. I mean probably more than any other team in Europe:

2003- CL, Coppa Italia, Super Cup
2004- Scudetto
2005- CL Final, Runners-up Serie A
2006- Semi-final CL
2007- CL, ??

Really, Berlu spent when he thought we needed it. Theoretically we could go foward with this squad and do well.

Another point will illustrate what the poster above is saying. Inter recently had a 70 million Euro boost (!!!!) of capital as did Juventus (I think Juve even more). He is right about the sugar daddy thing. I mean can you imagine any other club coming back from Serie B into Serie A and buying players and rolling in the cash?

Collective TV rights can only be a good thing. I like Milan, and I would love for them to strengthen, but not at the expense of little clubs. I like Italian football more.

Finally, I think if Berlu really wants a player, he will open up his wallet. He has already said Ronaldinho is "worth the economic sacrifice" (I'm not saying that means he will come).

The figures quoted are not close to the real thing. The players in Spain may pocket more, but NOT THAT MUCH more. Galliani loves playing the card of a hopeless pessimist. It's the perfect card to play really: when things turn out well, you look good.

Hasan Rossonero

24-06-2007, 23:10

I find this stat incredibly disturbing. Italian football won't last much longer if the current financial status of each of the main leagues continues as it is i.e. the Premiership & La Liga in consistent mega money deals and Serie A in deals/tax laws that restrict their marketing powers.

You could also add Alves as a possible right-back inclusion. The rest of their team will be

Deco/Iniesta --- Yaya Toure --- Xavi
---------- Ronaldinho/Messi --------
------ Henry ---------- Etoo -------

Should Etoo leave i wouldn't be surprised to see them try for Huntelaar or Torres. Should Ronaldinho leave i'm not sure they'll need to move for anyone as they have Messi, Deco and possibly promote Dos Santos to the first team. Good times to be a Barcelona fan.

Actually the taxes are very high in England as well. After a certain amount you get taxed 40%...correct me if I'm wrong??

Clubs like Chelsea are operating at a loss also. Though it hints that these clubs should really get their house in order, it isn't as bad as it sounds. Also, clubs like Man U and Arsenal don't have THAT much transfer muscle. They were taken over by Glazer, who bought the club with a massive loan. A chunk of United's income is thus spent on repaying that. And you already know about Arsenal's stadium deal...

Spain, yes, has an advantage, but only Real and Barca. The TV deals there means that Barca and Real get all the TV money. Valencia even get very little. Spain's way of doing business is NOT GOOD. Collective TV rights IS the way to go. The teams at the bottom will have more money to spend, and Serie A as a product will be more interesting.

Remember the way it works is 50% of the TV revenues is split evenly. The remaning 50% is allotted according to final position in the table. A very small percentage (1 or 2 % I think) goes to the grassroots development of the sport.

Finally, you have to remember that Juve, Milan, and Inter are owned by very rich owners (like I say above).

eltomas2

24-06-2007, 23:12

']Ricardo Oliveira wants out, Id take a bag of balls for him.

hahahaha...bag of balls, never heard that one before...good one

martin

24-06-2007, 23:27

Oliveira - Casano this will be the transfer for milano

i hope casano will not com to milano because for my opinion hi is not e good player
god finnnally sumbody else sees it. i absolutely disagree with you and think that if we bring in cassano, we can only profit. i think a cassano+ emerson for oliveira would solve sooo many problems. yes cassano has an attitude but look where it got him, buried in the bench with nothing but hunger to prove himself. he messes up, its so easy to sell him to some smaller italian side cause of his potential. thats why pickin up cassano is a small risk high reward type deal. i think cassano and gila would make an awesome serie a attack.
the way i see it : ronaldo(inzaghi)--ronaldinho--kaka for cl and gila(inzaghi) --cassano--seedorf for serie a.

Nordahl

24-06-2007, 23:33

Huntelaar or Torres.

Hasan Rossonero

24-06-2007, 23:41

Huntelaar or Torres.

I think those are the two the management want. Villa too, I think.

GilAttack [11]

25-06-2007, 00:02

No Torres, please. But I must admit that this Torres-to-Milan thing is as old as Bily Costacurta.

humanTORCH

25-06-2007, 01:01

Actually the taxes are very high in England as well. After a certain amount you get taxed 40%...correct me if I'm wrong??

Clubs like Chelsea are operating at a loss also. Though it hints that these clubs should really get their house in order, it isn't as bad as it sounds. Also, clubs like Man U and Arsenal don't have THAT much transfer muscle. They were taken over by Glazer, who bought the club with a massive loan. A chunk of United's income is thus spent on repaying that. And you already know about Arsenal's stadium deal...

Spain, yes, has an advantage, but only Real and Barca. The TV deals there means that Barca and Real get all the TV money. Valencia even get very little. Spain's way of doing business is NOT GOOD. Collective TV rights IS the way to go. The teams at the bottom will have more money to spend, and Serie A as a product will be more interesting.

Remember the way it works is 50% of the TV revenues is split evenly. The remaning 50% is allotted according to final position in the table. A very small percentage (1 or 2 % I think) goes to the grassroots development of the sport.

Finally, you have to remember that Juve, Milan, and Inter are owned by very rich owners (like I say above).

Good one hasan. :5ok: We see the same picture to this.
For me revenues to be spread evenly is the way to go so that smaller teams have a fair share of competition. What makes Milan, juve and merdas richer is that of the owner who is willing to folk out money from their own pocket.
Will that makes Italian team at the disadvantage at European level......i guess not.
But as a MIlan fans I hope that we will keep on improving with new signing although we are CL winner.
Look at barca now, they have a fearsome quartet strikeforce which their fans can boast. :irritate:

Samuca

25-06-2007, 02:03

Fernando Torres would be the new Josemari

Torres is the kind of player to teams who see marketing and not football, they love to spend rivers of money in that players

Kaka1899

25-06-2007, 04:21

Full Article Here! (http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=336081)

The arrival of the French forward in the Catalan city might send the Cameroon based striker towards the Rossoneri.

After losing David Suazo to Inter, Milan are in the desperate search for a new high profile striker. The latest developments in Barcelona might pave the way for Samuel Eto`o's arrival to the Rossoneri, as Thierry Henry can take over his spot in the squad.
According to the 'Corriere dello Sport', Milan are expected to launch their attack for the Barcelona striker in the coming days following the official presentation of Henry.

However, the Rossoneri already have a backup plan in case that their bid for Eto`o' fails to materialize as Milan are also keeping their doors open for the negotiations of Andriy Shevchenko from Chelsea and David Villa of Valencia, with the latter having many other keen admirers in the English Premier League and Serie A following yet another high scoring season in the Primera Liga.

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I would love to see David Villa in Milan i dont know if he would work though or if he would be another Gila.

ThrusT

25-06-2007, 04:45

Full Article Here! (http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=336081)

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I would love to see David Villa in Milan i dont know if he would work though or if he would be another Gila.
Let's see if we can secure Eto'o first before trying Villa.
I was hoping Pato would be our plan-B. :mad:

Seems Viola are ready to make their interest in Gila concrete, this could open up a spot for Villa.
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=336078

Kaka1899

25-06-2007, 05:33

if its 15 mil and joint ownership of ojinov let him go its some more money for a player that dont wanna be here

kef

25-06-2007, 05:55

Maybe we should sign Dimitar Berbatov? He is a very good striker and I think his way of play looks a lot like the way Sheva played with us.

Kaka1899

25-06-2007, 06:02

also Cassano is going for free he would be worth signing he would have to take a wage cut so he wouldnt break the bank

Rayno_acm

25-06-2007, 06:09

Maybe we should sign Dimitar Berbatov? He is a very good striker and I think his way of play looks a lot like the way Sheva played with us.
Forget it, he is too expensive, around 40 mln pounds... :grinser: And it seems he want to stay in England. Even Man U have failed to sign him... :w154:

kef

25-06-2007, 06:13

Forget it, he is too expensive, around 40 mln pounds... :grinser: And it seems he want to stay in England. Even Man U have failed to sign him... :w154:

Unfortunately...

kef

25-06-2007, 06:16

we are again linked with Zambrotta:

from channel 4: http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jun25e.html

Zambrotta is Milan target

Barcelona full-back Gianluca Zambrotta is once again being paired with a move to Milan by reports in the Italian Press.

The world champion was one of the first players to leave Juventus after the club’s demotion, but failed to adapt to his new life in Spain and his first season in La Liga has been far from enjoyable.

The defender was already close to joining Milan after the World Cup last summer, but his transfer failed due to the Rossoneri’s involvement in the Calciopoli scandal.

Barcelona are closing in on Eric Abidal of Lyon, who is expected to leave the French champions for £8.5m, and his arrival could free Zambrotta to vacate the Nou Camp and return to Serie A.

Reports suggest that negotiations between Milan and the Blaugrana could start soon, as the French Press expect Abidal’s move to be officially announced in the very near future.

In the meantime, the European champions are also following Parma midfielder Luca Cigarini, who might become Andrea Pirlo’s heir in the Diavoli midfield.

The 21-year-old, who is also a reported target for Juventus, could join the San Siro outfit in a co-ownership deal with the Ducali, allowing him to gain more experience at the Tardini before moving on a permanent basis.

Rayno_acm

25-06-2007, 06:19

Unfortunately...
Yeah, we know the red-n-black shirt suits him well (he played for Bayer Leverkusen), but... :nervous: :grinser:

mrki

25-06-2007, 06:33

Ghost

25-06-2007, 07:09

Something interesting in the following article from the BBC:

Barcelona vice-president Ferran Soriano has quashed talk that Samuel Eto'o could join Arsenal following Thierry Henry's switch to the Nou Camp.

Soriano has insisted striker Eto'o, 26, will be staying, despite being linked with a move to several Premiership clubs as well as AC Milan.

"He wants to stay and we want him to stay," Soriano told BBC Five Live.

"If things go right we will have him playing with Thierry Henry next season. Definitely, he is going to be staying."

Liverpool were believed to have been interested in Eto'o, whose Barcelona future came into question after run-ins with manager Frank Rijkaard and team-mate Ronaldinho last season.

AC Milan also stated the Cameroon international was their number one transfer target.

Speculation also suggested Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger could follow Henry to Barcelona and replace Rijkaard after the club ended the past campaign without a trophy.

But Soriano said: "You never know in the future but not now. We have a coach, Frank Rijkaard, and we are very happy with him. We hope he will stay with us for many more years."

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To me that just sounds a little bit like someone who is not sure about the future of a player, I think they might be willing to let him go.

RobyKikic

25-06-2007, 07:24

FINALLY we're linked with Zambrotta.!
A player we should have signed a time ago!

I think he could end up as Nesta becoming an First team Milan player, who also falls in love with us.

hany.Egypt

25-06-2007, 08:30

wat abt knoute.......can we make a traget as well...i know he doesnt want to move from sevilla ..but than again we r europeon champions who wudnt wanna come
Suazo, Henry and Etoo :mad:

zlatanov

25-06-2007, 08:40

I hope Milan have some kind of agreement with Barca on the Abidal-Zambro axes seen that both teams were reported to be in a battle for Abidal a couple of weeks ago.

I think it was pretty obvious to Carlo that LB was our weakest link in defense in a number of games last year, so I'd expect that Milan goes for a good LB player and that's what makes me think/hope that if they are ready to let Abidal go to Barca, then there must be an alternative solution for us.

Otherwise I am not buying this "ABidal to Barca will for sure free Zambrotta" wishful speculation - Zambro is Barca best RB at the moment, I think, given that Belletti even if he stays is more of a reliever at RB, so Barca could well keep Zambrotta for RB role and get Abidal for LB (and he can also play CD too).
And with Alves costing 20+ mil and saying that Real M is his dream club or whatever, Barca may very well make Zambro their starting RB, provided he wants to stay there.

dejan.s

25-06-2007, 09:41

We speak which player AC Milan should buy.
Maybe the right question is Will Milan buy?
Given club's passive response to market, it is obvious that fiscal situation dictates shopping activities.
This summer Milan (will) miss-missed Suazo, Henry, Metzelder, Ribery, Tony, Alves, Torres, Abidal, Tiago, Almiron, Chivu, Pato, Barusso, Huntelar, Babel...
Generaly, Milan buy experienced players with couple years to play, and primary objective is set on winning the Champions League.
With such old players, Milan can't win Scudetto (injury list is longer every year).
When shopping is limited, I am asking When will Milan introduce young players and give them chance.
I hope, Soon :-)

drucurl

25-06-2007, 09:43

Whatever....I don't buy the whole "poor us we have no cash because Italy makes it hard for us to pay wages " :wallbang: meanwhile EVERY YEAR inter buys a star player :wth:

zlatanov

25-06-2007, 10:26

for last year, Inter had a 180 mil euros badget deficit, which means, if it wasn't for Moratti and his Provera buddy to pour so much money into them, Inter would exist for about 3-4 months before being sent to serie C2 under the name Ambrosiana or Lombardia or whatever they choose or at best end up like Cragnotti's Lazio.

How long do you think this farse would continue before the cash flow dries out? It looked like Moratti was ready to pull the plug a couple of years ago - beginning of 2005/2006 season or something like that, which may very well explain why they had to cook the books in order to inscribe in serie A - but something stopped him ... what was that something? ... well, let's just say that several months or a year tops later, the italian media was flooded with phone call recordings that cleared their path to certain "trophies" of paper glory.
Before that, however, Inter had been equally free-spending on the market without any real results to match the investements that had been made.

Galliani explained it well - for 10 mil euros to enter Henry's pocket (which is how much he gets at Barca - 20 mil euros have to leave Milan's cash register every single year in a 4 year contract. Add to that the 24-25 mil euros transfer fee and that adds up to an investment of over 100 mil euros for a 29 yo player ... the best way to follow if we want to rival inter for money-pit of the decade.
yeah, it may sound difficult to believe but there is much more to running a club and not running it into a tree or a ditch than crying left and right for new toys every summer so that Milan fans have something to brag about to their Barca or Inter-supporting buddies.

Obviously Milan was looking to buy players given that they made a concrete offer for Tiago, and I guess we can be certain that we are looking for a quality player up front. WHether that player will come doesn't depend solely on us as we are talking about players that are deemd "not for sale" most of the tyme ...
So we should expect certain players with certain characteristics to arrive at Milan, who those players will be, I guess will depend on availability and those deals being financially sound for the club.

Graeme C

25-06-2007, 10:41

well said zlat, u just beat me to posting it. The players wages is what is really holding Milan back, i really think there needs to be a salary cap in europe so Italians teams cannot be outdone by spain and so forth.

If Milan are infact considering a new stadium and all they need to keep the budget straight and not do what inter have done. Im hoping if we sign anymore players belusconi will fork the money out instead of the club. Thus keeping our balance in the +++ figures.

Graeme C

25-06-2007, 10:43

right now i would swop Oli for Cassano, but we will still need another striker as Cassano will need time to lose weight and stuff.

Hasan Rossonero

25-06-2007, 10:48

for last year, Inter had a 180 mil euros badget deficit, which means, if it wasn't for Moratti and his Provera buddy to pour so much money into them, Inter would exist for about 3-4 months before being sent to serie C2 under the name Ambrosiana or Lombardia or whatever they choose or at best end up like Cragnotti's Lazio.

How long do you think this farse would continue before the cash flow dries out? It looked like Moratti was ready to pull the plug a couple of years ago - beginning of 2005/2006 season or something like that - but something stopped ... what was that something? ... well, let's just say that several months or a year tops later, the italian media was flooded with phone call recordings that cleared their path to certain "trophies" of paper glory.
Before that, however, Inter had been equally free-spending on the market without any real results to match the investements that had been made.

Galliani explained it well - for 10 mil euros to enter Henry's pocket (which is how much he gets at Barca - 20 mil euros have to leave Milan's cash register every single year in a 4 year contract. Add to that the 24-25 mil euros transfer fee and that adds up to an investment of over 100 mil euros for a 29 yo player ... the best way to follow if we want to rival inter for money-pit of the decade.
yeah, it may sound difficult to believe but there is much more to running a club and not running it into a tree or a ditch than crying left and right for new toys every summer so that Milan fans have something to brag about to their Barca or Inter-supporting buddies.

Obviously Milan was looking to buy players given that they made a concrete offer for Tiago, and I guess we can be certain that we are looking for a quality player up front. WHether that player will come doesn't depend solely on us as we are talking about players that are deemd "not for sale" most of the tyme ...
So we should expect certain players with certain characteristics to arrive at Milan, who those players will be, I guess will depend on availability and those deals being financially sound for the club.

I agree, for the most part, with this sensible analysis.

While Inter overdo it on the transfer market, patrons like Moratti are essential to keep Italian football competitive (reasons explained on this thread).

The goal should be to ally a financially sound club with the occasional spurge courtesy of a patron.

Not Abramovich or Moratti style spending.

zlatanov

25-06-2007, 11:21

right now i would swop Oli for Cassano, but we will still need another striker as Cassano will need time to lose weight and stuff.
I can't say I won't fancy a move like that although if we can't find another good DM, we could include Emerson in that deal too - Real seem to be willing to give away Cassano for free anyway just to rid themselves off of his 4.5 mil/season salary ... which might be a problem for a move like that given all the unknowns surrounding Cassano as a long term investment.

today Silvio said that Barca's president told him that DInho is untouchable (at least for this summer, I guess) and if he were to sell the Brazilian, he would be forced to emigrate or something :) ... so Silvio, for now, sounds like he has given up on his dream to get Dinho but he sounded more optimistic about Etoo ... maybe the two patrons exhanged something other than "we want Etoo", "no, he is not for sale" ;)

if, however, we end up not getting players of Etoo's calibre, maybe getting Cassano and a player like Quagliarella and letting RO go would be great too as both these players can play not only in attack but drop back and help in attacking mid too - it would give a lot of dynamism to the attack, I think ... and would come for a fraction of the price we'd have to pay for Etoo (at least 35 mil, I'd guess) without counting his salary of at least 6.5 mil (net pay) per season.

In general I am against Milan getting players like Cassano but now that he's reached bare bottom - dif to imagine his career could go any lower than this - maybe he would wake up and a little Milanello therapy would do him well and will get him on the right track.
But for that to happen, I would expect Milan to aks him to lower his wages and sign a short-term contract - like Ronaldo did last winter - abd that might be a problem.

zlatanov

25-06-2007, 11:25

I agree, for the most part, with this sensible analysis.

While Inter overdo it on the transfer market, patrons like Moratti are essential to keep Italian football competitive (reasons explained on this thread).

The goal should be to ally a financially sound club with the occasional spurge courtesy of a patron.

Not Abramovich or Moratti style spending.
regrading those salaries figures mentioned in the press and all, we were wondering if they were net pay or gross figures ... well, taking Galliani's explanation about Henry's salary, I guess we can safely assume that everything mentioned in the press or offiial announcements is "net pay".
So, if Kaka's contract is improved, he would be getting 6.5 mil net - means Milan will have to dish out 13 mil every season - so that isn't so much lower than the presumed 8 mil net that Real was offering him.

Graeme C

25-06-2007, 11:37

so the 13 mil milan would have to pay, half of that is tax yeah?

zlatanov

25-06-2007, 11:47

so the 13 mil milan would have to pay, half of that is tax yeah?
that's what I think ... provided that the 6.5 mil mentioned in the press was net money - and given that Henry would be getting 10 mil net at Barca, it must be that - then we'd have to pay twice that amount altogether ... and all of a sudden 100-150 mil for salaries alone/season doesn't look so much for a club like Milan :stupid:
maybe the otalian governo shoudl think about that next time they try to explain to themselves why is that Calcio is 380 mil in the red :rolleyes:

Hasan Rossonero

25-06-2007, 11:49

regrading those salaries figures mentioned in the press and all, we were wondering if they were net pay or gross figures ... well, taking Galliani's explanation about Henry's salary, I guess we can safely assume that everything mentioned in the press or offiial announcements is "net pay".
So, if Kaka's contract is improved, he would be getting 6.5 mil net - means Milan will have to dish out 13 mil every season - so that isn't so much lower than the presumed 8 mil net that Real was offering him.
Hmm...really? I thought that it was 6 mill gross. But I think you may be right. The figures we see may be net figures.

What part of Galliani's explanation made you think that? The part when he said we would have to pay X to match Barca?

ghostweed

25-06-2007, 11:51

Galliani explained it well - for 10 mil euros to enter Henry's pocket (which is how much he gets at Barca - 20 mil euros have to leave Milan's cash register every single year in a 4 year contract. Add to that the 24-25 mil euros transfer fee and that adds up to an investment of over 100 mil euros for a 29 yo player ... the best way to follow if we want to rival inter for money-pit of the decade.

When you look at the TOTAL cost of a player such as here, you really see how much it doesn't make sense in economic terms. No way would you make that much of a return, plus, speaking about Henry, it is an insane amount of faith to have in a player who does leave doubt about his ability on all stages. Even Eto'o, if we splash the cash on him, think how costly each of his many misses will seem.
If you ask me I would say to go for Italian talent, such as Quaglierella.
It is a shame we missed out on Suazo because, in all respects, he may have been the best option.

Nordahl

25-06-2007, 11:54

I guess we shouldn't be so insanely obsessed towards Barcelona, 'cause it's very very hard to deal with top spanish sides...Milan should keep instead a door open to french or dutch sides, which are more suitable for doing business with us... so let's forget that Eto'o/Motta/Emerson thing and purchase Sneijder/Huntelaar, let's revive the great 'dutch-milanese connection'!

Tony29.

25-06-2007, 12:00

Milan is linked to Zambrotta ?
How Come ?
Some journalists thinks that Barcelona might go after Abidal and maybe because of that there will be no place for Zambrotta , who could leave and might go to Milan. This makes Milan going after Zambrotta ? Because the journalists thinks so ?

Zlatanov was saying this for weeks. When Zlat collected 2+2 and came out with a conclusion that Milan might go after Zambro, it didn't mean much to you, but when some journalist, who probably has no more inside info than me and Zlat, does it, it makes your team close to Zambro ?

You have your own heads people, use them :)
Milan is not closer to Zambro now when it is in the pappers than they were a week ago when Zlat was faster than the journalist and said Milan may get Zambrotta.

Edit : I wanna say that Milan will probably get Zambrotta, but it is absolutly nothing new and all of us who're following things closer were aware about this possibility months ago. Nothing new happened today to make Milan closer to Zambro. Don't wait for the pappers for something you can come out by yourselves.

zlatanov

25-06-2007, 12:08

What part of Galliani's explanation made you think that? The part when he said we would have to pay X to match Barca?
mostly that in the press the salary Henry would be getting was repprted as 10 mil and not 15 mil, which is what he would cost to Barca in gross pay.
it seems to me that taxes are taken for givena and are not even included in the negotiations as it is assumed that the club would take care of that, naturally ... as that sayin goes "certain as death and taxes" :D

and also, there would be too much of a descrepancy if a player like Kaka nets a little over 3 mil (with that 6.5 mil being gross figures) while Henry gets 10 mil net pay or Sheva/Lampard/Ballack 7-8 or so net.

Hasan Rossonero

25-06-2007, 12:10

mostly that in the press the salary Henry would be getting was repprted as 10 mil and not 15 mil, which is what he would cost to Barca in gross pay.
it seems to me that taxes are taken for givena and are not even included in the negotiations as it is assumed that the club would take care of that, naturally ... as that sayin goes "certain as death and taxes" :D

and also, there would be too much of a descrepancy if a player like Kaka nets a little over 3 mil (with that 6.5 mil being gross figures) while Henry gets 10 mil net pay or Sheva/Lampard/Ballack 7-8 or so net.

I think you're right. Glad we cleared that up.

This thread seems to support your conclusions:

http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=354036

This conclusion also makes Galliani's statements (about the bleak future) a little hyperbolic.

Tony29.

25-06-2007, 12:16

What's the tax rate for players in Italy ?
Is it bigger than the 40% in England ?

Hasan Rossonero

25-06-2007, 12:22

What's the tax rate for players in Italy ?
Is it bigger than the 40% in England ?
Yes, 50%.

This is the paragraph from gazzetta:

LA SITUAZIONE - Per quanto riguarda Kakà, invece, c’è chi ipotizza che il brasiliano possa sfruttare l’interessamento del Real Madrid per strappare un aumento al Milan. Può darsi che non sia un’ipotesi completamente sbagliata, ma l’estate scorsa Ricky ha rinnovato il suo contratto con i rossoneri fino al 30 giugno 2011 e l’ingaggio lo soddisfa pienamente: 6 milioni all’anno. Il problema può nascere se il brasiliano si mette a fare dei confronti con le altre stelle dei campionati europei: il più ricco è Ronaldinho (8 milioni) seguito da Ibrahimovic, Shevchenko e Ballack, tutti a 6,5. Kakà è quinto, appena davanti a Vieira (5,6) e Cristiano Ronaldo (5,6). Non è che si possa granché lamentare e non si può neanche dire che Kakà sia un ragazzo avido, ma questa è forse l’unica strada che il Real Madrid potrà seguire in futuro per invogliare il brasiliano a trasferirsi in Spagna, dove le facilitazioni fiscali rendono più gonfio il portafogli dei campioni stranieri.

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It says that Ronaldinho's salary makes him the highest earner. Ibra, Sheva, and Ballack are each at 6.5.

Now I am confident that the figures quoted have to be net. Because Ballack makes (121,000 pounds a week after tax). It also makes sense that the figures reported are net because Ibra is said to earn 4 million pounds a year (thereabouts) and that translates roughly to the figures above.

So Ronaldinho earns about 11 million euros gross, but because of the tax laws he pockets 8.

Vieira also earns 11 million gross, but because of tax laws pockets only (roughly) 5.6 million euros.

There's no way Ronaldinho only earns 8 million gross, so the figures must be net.

Finally, this is a question an interviewer asked Galliani yesterday:

The top signing bonus in Italy is 6.5 million euros, a figure which has been surpassed abroad for quite some time...

By bonus I think he means wage. And so the numbers that I've posted above support that because the highest earner is Ibra for Inter.

Hasan Rossonero

25-06-2007, 12:31

This is from the Guardian (so the English have this problem too):

The firm said a player seeking net pay of £50,000 a week would need a £100,000-a-week gross salary in Britain compared with £66,000 in Spain.

Roy Saunders, IFS chairman, said: "It is no surprise that England lags behind Spain ... the current UK tax system is unattractive to high-earning sportsmen and is preventing the UK from luring and retaining talent. The impact on footballers ... is an effective tax burden of around 50% of gross salary."

Spain has dramatically cut tax rates in recent years, making it easier for clubs such as Real Madrid and Barcelona to cover wages and other perks compared with clubs in Britain, France and Germany.

Hasan Rossonero

25-06-2007, 12:32

Milan president Silvio Berlusconi says Ronaldinho will never join the club.

Berlusconi has never hidden his admiration for the Barcelona star and would love to bring him to the Giuseppe Meazza.

Milan have previously insisted they would be at the forefront to sign Ronaldinho should Barcelona ever decide to sell him.

However, Berlusconi believes that is unlikely to happen as Barcelona would never sell the Brazilian maestro.

"I've spoken with Barcelona president [Joan] Laporta and he told me that should he sell Ronaldinho, he would have to leave the country," Berlusconi told Sky Italia.

Milan are keen to bring in a new striker this summer and they have been linked with Ronaldinho's team-mate Samuel Eto'o.

Eto'o is adamant he will not be leaving Barcelona, but Berlusconi insists the club will do everything to sign a quality forward.

"We don't give limits to our targets," added Berlusconi. "We hope to find someone who can fit our needs.

"For the moment we expect a lot from Ronaldo. Then we will find a strong player who is not untransferable."

The Rock

25-06-2007, 12:49

*there's news about Zambrotta
if Abidal complete his transfer for barca - zambrotta will be Milanesta
but in my opinion i don't trust this rumors - barca doing very will in the market and they want to built very strong team .
if abidal arrive zambrotta will be allways RB
i want Barca think about sign Danial Alaves to be zambro very easy to catch .

*in Mediasat talking about milan intersting in liverpool midfield sissoko becouse there no space for him " Gerrard - Xavi Alonso - Lucas Pazzini - Mascerano " .
but i think he hasn't Europen Passport , then milan when be sure that they can't sign Eto'o , will make an Official offer .

But i see lazio player Mudingayi can be very good in midfield- just 8M - if sissoko is high value ,, like what we want to offer for Emerson .
and Carletto like him

The Rock

25-06-2007, 13:03

sorry for another post - but i want to talk about the big player galliani want to bring him .
i think there is no player in attack - Henry and Suazo are gone
Eto'o - Ronaldhino - Drogba - Shevchnko will stay in there clubs
Villa - Torres high value for sure milan will not pay .
how is the big strike will milan brought ??!

milan Should change his strategie in Mercato - there is no big name in attack why they not looking about attack-midfield .
and continues with best ancelotti formation . 4-5-1
by make offer for Riquelme he's value very low - just 8M .

Kaka - Riquelme
Ronaldo
and brought Cassano in free for Substitute

Tony29.

25-06-2007, 13:03

But i see lazio player Mudingayi can be very good in midfield- just 8M
Ah, Mudingayi.
I think that i, together with Kastriot and AcMir, am the most competent when we're talking about Lazio players because our local TV is killing us with Lazio matches Sunday after Sunday :)

Gaby Mudingayi is the man who runs more than anyone else in Italy. Passes, technique and goals scoring - you can forget about this , but this man runs so much that it seems Lazio are playing with 12 players all the time ( although in their case it's like they play with 11 players because Pandev doesn't run at all :) ).
Mudingayi and Gattuso together will be a nightmare for opponent's midfield, but i can't see Milan playing with two of a kind players like them. The team will lose huge in creativity and Milan will lose their main characteristic- attacking football.

Every team should have a player like Mudingayi, and 8m is relativly low for such a hard worker. But Milan already has Gattuso and it will be kinda selfish for you to have both Rino and Gaby :sleepy:

The Rock

25-06-2007, 13:19

i get your point - but milan lost his creativity when ambrosini playing ?!
i don't think so - ancelotti want the man how can attack and defence in the same time and gattuso can't do this !
maybe Rino and Gaby same type of player but you say Gaby have a
Passes, technique and goals scoring
that why im thinking on him .
Gattuso - Full Defense "DM"
Mudingayi - Between Defense and Attack "DM Or CM what you want "
Pirlo - Full Attack " CM"

about Creativity - when we play with Gaby and Rino we will make space for Pirlo to do what he can in attack beside Clarence Sedorff or some body new .
Rino - Pirlo - Gaby
Kaka - Roman
Roni !

like what we do in champions league
Rino - Pirlo - Ambro
Kaka - Sedorff
Pippo

drucurl

25-06-2007, 13:22

Ok so we can't get Ronaldinho......what about buying "the next ronaldinho" ?? Giovanni Do Santos??? I have seen him play and he looks every bit like ronaldinho.... PLUS he got 90/100 on my fifa 07 so that kinda seals it :D :D . He is just a kid so he won't be as expensive as ronaldinho and When Kaka turns 29 if all goes well we'll at least have a semi decent replacement ;)

Nalx

25-06-2007, 13:32

A bit off topic now, what about our youth team striker Aubameyang guys? Didn't Galliani said that he would be promoted to the senior team next season after scoring against Juve in Trofeo Berlusconi?

zlatanov

25-06-2007, 13:35

zlatanov

25-06-2007, 13:40

Ah, Mudingayi.
I think that i, together with Kastriot and AcMir, am the most competent when we're talking about Lazio players because our local TV is killing us with Lazio matches Sunday after Sunday :)

Gaby Mudingayi is the man who runs more than anyone else in Italy. Passes, technique and goals scoring - you can forget about this , but this man runs so much that it seems Lazio are playing with 12 players all the time ( although in their case it's like they play with 11 players because Pandev doesn't run at all :) ).
Mudingayi and Gattuso together will be a nightmare for opponent's midfield, but i can't see Milan playing with two of a kind players like them. The team will lose huge in creativity and Milan will lose their main characteristic- attacking football.

Every team should have a player like Mudingayi, and 8m is relativly low for such a hard worker. But Milan already has Gattuso and it will be kinda selfish for you to have both Rino and Gaby :sleepy:
well, let's just that Gattuso and Mudinguyi won't be playing together ... and that Brochi would probably end up in Torino - lots of games for Milan next year and Gattuso can't play them all even if he stays healthy.
Plus, we are selfish :D

btw, where did you guys got that 8mil figure from? Lotito would probably ask for twice that and after 1-2 months of negotiations, he would come down to 10 or 11 ;)

btw, a month or so ago there were rumours about carlo being keen on Mudinguyi and that was at the time when we were heavily being linked with Emerson and Edmilson type of player.

The Rock

25-06-2007, 13:44

A bit off topic now, what about our youth team striker Aubameyang guys? Didn't Galliani said that he would be promoted to the senior team next season after scoring against Juve in Trofeo Berlusconi?
the NEW RULES in Uefa for Champions league that all the team must have 3 players from there academys - and for sure Aube will be one of them! with Di Gannero and maybe Dermian or Gurci

mrki

25-06-2007, 13:48

Samuca

25-06-2007, 13:50

I think Milan don´t even wanted Ronaldinho, were all fake rumors

The worse number 10 of BrasilNT ever, never come back to deffend, even do useless moves and hide in decisive momments, I don´t think Ancelotti wanted he

Tony29.

25-06-2007, 13:57

Or, its obvious Chivu is for sale! His wages will certanly not go for more than 4 mil oer season, lets pay ROma decent money and sign the man.
Looks like it's not about the money. Roma wants him in Barcelona if they must sell him, but Chivu himself wants Inter.
If a man doesn't want Barcelona only because he wants to play for Inter, i doubt he'll like to join Milan or Juve.

Lets face it guys....with this transfer policy Milan and Juve have, we're not competetive with Inter on the mercato. They go -180m and Moratti is covering the minus while Berlusconi and Juve's shareholders won't even think about investing ~200m in one year.
This will change sooner or later because Moratti can't continue doing this over and over again...but until it does change, we'll be inferior to them, at least on the transfer market

zlatanov

25-06-2007, 14:04

Or let US buy Abidal and make our LB sealed by Abidal and Marek. Im fed up with waiting for other clubs to make their movs on mercato and then we came on for charity and whats left. Or, its obvious Chivu is for sale! His wages will certanly not go for more than 4 mil oer season, lets pay ROma decent money and sign the man. There ARE options,but Galliani isnt working hard on mercato as he used to do.

If Barca buys Abidal, they'll put Zambro on the RB and he'll be lost. We dont need Alves as we have Oddo who is good enough for now. Dont think Milan will get Zambrotta just becouse Barcelona bought a LB.

Im 100% sure that, with proper investment, we can sign Abidal, Edmilson and Pato. And there we have: great LB, experienced and good DM, very promising CF to play with Gila,Pippo,Ronaldo,Kaka'. I think that for European champions this simply needs to be possible. If not, then something is wrong with Berlusconi-Galliani-Braida connection, mark my words on this issue.

If they are not ready to invest 50 mil on 3 top class players - then the hell with it all!
well, I personally would prefer Abidal for LB as he is 3 years, I think, younger than Zambro and will come for about the same price too having only 1 year left on his contract with Lyon and wanting away.

if not him then Zambro would be great too but he is my second choice for LB namely because of his age as I am not sure for how much longer he would be able to sustain that speed necessary for LB nowadays. If Zambro was at Abidal's age, he would be my pick but that's not the case, so ...

This being said, Marko you have to realize that we and those who write those rumours have a very vague idea of what is really going on behind the curtains at Milanello and what Milan management is really doing or not.
Most of these rumours we read today or will read tomorrow, if true at all and most of them are probbaly not, are old news for Galliani and what their current plans are, we have no idea of at least for now.

Also, Abidal said some months ago - after the Lyon-Roma games where he was racially insulted by that moron de Rossi (excellent mid but let's face it the guy is as hollow as a church bell) that he would not want to play in Italy and would prefer England and Spain, especially barcelona ... so, he'd had his heart set on a Barca move for some time now, and they have been aftehim too ... add to that how Aulas allowed Tiago to chose which team to sign for depsite Milan's offer being superior to Juve's and you should realize that Milan faces a lot more issues than simply showing interest and making an offer to get Abidal.

One would probably say that we should at least try ... well, what makes you think we haven't ... the lack of rumours in the papers? ... although on all fairness to the scribblers, there were such rumours that Milan and Barca were fighting over ABidal or whatever not more than 2-3 weeks ago.

mrki

25-06-2007, 14:13

zlatanov

25-06-2007, 14:29

well, he had 100 mil for dinho ... if the problems were that he can't get money at all for Milan's transfers, that wouldn't have been the case whether it's Dinho or not ... not to mention that most of the players we are gunning for are expected to be very expensive anyway (30+ mil at least).

what I was saying is that there are a limited number of players out there who are worth going for and not all of them are "touchable" for one reason or another. for instance, Zambro and Abidal are probably one of the few players who are worth to go for as far as new LB goes but things are not as simple as they seem.

As for midfielders, there are plenty out there and Milan are probably weighing their options - no need to close our options just now with the first player that comes to mind when the summer has just started.

Hasan Rossonero

25-06-2007, 14:30

Zlat im not saying we have actually tried or havent tried for those players, but I am only giving an example how an investment of 50 mil can reinforce our squad. Rumors aside, as 95% of it is useless, we havent been doing good in mercato for the last 2 summers. This one hasnt started good either,or it hasnt started at all.

There was a lot of talk how Silvios business has been taken over by his financial "manager" ( or something ) who is his daughter and she is suggesting less investments in Milan as it hurts familys profits of course. It may be the case as we all can see Milan has some serious problems concluding the bigger edals and is really carefull with investments. We'll see, but as I was saying, if we cant invest 50 mil, that screw it all.

I wouldn't believe everything I read. Remember that one of the biggest reasons we aren't investing (50 mill!) is because of our success in the last few seasons.

Also remember that Barcelona have bought one player on a bargain. We were willing to pay for Suazo also.

Not everyone is like Inter and Chelsea. Not us, not Man U even.

The summer has just started. We can start sweating in August.

Hasan Rossonero

25-06-2007, 14:31

well, he had 100 mil for dinho ... if the problems were that he can't get money at all for Milan's transfers, that wouldn't have been the case whether it's Dinho or not ... not to mention that most of the players we are gunning for are expected to expensive (30+ mil at least).

what I was saying is that there are a limited number of players out there who are worth going for and not all of them are "touchable" for one reason or another. for instance, Zambro and Abidal are probably one of the few players who are worth to go for as far as new LB goes but things are not as simple as they seem.

As for midfielders, there are plenty out there and Milan are probably weighing their options - no need to close our options just now with the first player that comes to mind when the summer has just started.

What did you think of Galliani's brutal candour yesterday regarding Oli? :dielaugh:

Tony29.

25-06-2007, 14:32

zlatanov

25-06-2007, 14:39

What did you think of Galliani's brutal candour yesterday regarding Oli? :dielaugh:
you mean where he said that the only striker who could/would be sacrificed is RO?

I personally would have refrained from making such comments, espaiclly publically, as we don't have a guaranteed replacement for him yet and in the end we could end up keeping him ... and it also affects how RO sees Milan (his dedication to the team that is) should he have to saty on.
But then again, it's also possible that it had already been decided - between both club and player - that he would be leaving no matter what ... something we wouldn't be aware of just yet.

So, maybe Galliani's words could be seen as a clue what the club intends to do with RO and not just careless comments on AG's part.

Hasan Rossonero

25-06-2007, 14:40

you mean where he said that the only striker who could/would be sacrificed is RO?

I personally would have refrained from making such comments, espaiclly publically, as we don't have a guaranteed replacement for him yet and in the end we could end up keeping him ... and it also affects how RO sees Milan (his dedication to the team that is) should he have to saty on.
But then again, it's also possible that it had already been decided - between both club and player - that he would be leaving no matter what ... something we wouldn't be aware of just yet.

So, maybe Galliani's words could be seen as a clue what the club intends to do with RO and not just careless comments on AG's part.
Yeah...Galliani must be sure that Oli is either leaving for cash, or in a swap deal.

Hasan Rossonero

25-06-2007, 14:41

Suazo says his farewells
Monday 25 June, 2007
David Suazo is ready to start his new adventure at Inter and has thanked both Cagliari and Milan for his opportunity.

“I am pleased to join Inter and I am very thankful to Coach Roberto Mancini and President Massimo Moratti who decided to sign me,” said the Honduran.

Their interest shows that I have proven something positive while at Cagliari,” said Suazo.

“I have nothing against President Massimo Cellino, because I know that he has done his best for me. At Cagliari I had a great time and is thanks to them that I have become the player I am now.

“However, I don’t forget what Milan and Adriano Galliani have done. I am glad they have understood my situation and my wishes.”

After losing Suazo, the Rossoneri will now have to look for another striker. According to several reports President Silvio Berlusconi has asked his men to bring a great star to San Siro.

While Thierry Henry has joined Barcelona and Samuel Eto’o is not for sale, Berlusconi is still alleged to be dreaming of a swoop for Ronaldinho.

The Brazilian star is reportedly unsettled in Catalonia and the fans would not contest his departure following Henry’s arrival.

However, Ronaldinho is not the only option for Milan. Didier Droga, David Villa, Adriano and David Trezeguet are also rumoured to be on Ariedo Braida and Galliani’s list.

zlatanov

25-06-2007, 14:42

You all must have in mind that Milan is the European king of the last 5 years. You are the current Euro champs.
The other major clubs want to detronize you and destroy you, they don't want to reinforce you.
I may be wrong but i think that they'll rather sell to Bayern or Juve than to Milan.
well, I wish them good luck with that also because of this ;):
http://www.calciomercato.it/dettaglioNewsCategoria.asp?hdnIdCategoria=3&hdnId=21093

maybe the first signs about dressing room problems at Barca after the arrival of Henry - the above says that there has been some murmuring about his wages of 10 mil net/season

Kaka1899

25-06-2007, 14:49

i know this may seem a little weird me saying this but us hounding Barca for Eto'o or R10 is that only what Real Madrid have been doing to us regarding Kaka?

yes im aware of Real going too far by sending people behind our backs to Kakas Father and so on but it isnt giving Barca a good thought about us will this put them off from selling to us in the future?

zlatanov

25-06-2007, 15:03

well, I wish them good luck with that also because of this ;):
http://www.calciomercato.it/dettaglioNewsCategoria.asp?hdnIdCategoria=3&hdnId=21093

maybe the first signs about dressing room problems at Barca after the arrival of Henry - the above says that there has been some murmuring about his wages of 10 mil net/season
regarding those troubles, its rumoured that it was namely Dinho, who as soon as he learned that Henry was getting 10 mil, Dinho is getting around 7-8, I think, he is gonna be having a chat with the management - at the bottom here:
http://www.tgcom.mediaset.it/controcampo/articoli/articolo367797.shtml

one more reason to really carefully consider what would/could be the consequences for us if Milan were to get Dinho and pay him the salary Silvio seems to be ready to give him - and namely 10 mil euros.

Hasan Rossonero

25-06-2007, 15:09

Publications in Spain suggest Henry is going to earn 6 mill/year.

zlatanov

25-06-2007, 15:14

Publications in Spain suggest Henry is going to earn 6 mill/year.
I find that hard to believe after what Galliani said yesterday about Milan being close to him but the salary turning out to be the stumbling block - had he come to Milan, about 6 mil net is what he would have been given anyway as this is how much Milan's star players earn.
I doubt Galliani was just throwing random figures when he mentioned 10, 15, 20 mil regarding Henry's salary ... I think he was actually talking about the actual sums.

Hasan Rossonero

25-06-2007, 15:15

zlatanov

25-06-2007, 15:20

Yeah I know...but some native Spanish posters on another forum are adamant.
well, turkish fans that flooded MM a week ago were adamany about Ronaldo for sure signing with fener too :)
just think about it - would a player like Henry go to Barca - the last big contract of his career - for 6 mil, which I doubt is much more, if that at all, than what he was getting at Arsenal.
don't about those Spanish rumours but 10 mil is just the figure I would expect a hyped player like him to be getting should he move awa from Arsenal - the guy is superstar after all.

atreides602

25-06-2007, 15:34

I can;t take the pressure anymore, sign me a big name :mad:

Hitman

25-06-2007, 15:39

It can be anyone really, but I guess we will have to wait at least a month before we sign a player.. the only thing that is for sure with Galliani, is that nothing is for sure... but also interesting to see who we will sign in midfield as Pirlo "backup"...

Hasan Rossonero

25-06-2007, 15:41

well, turkish fans that flooded MM a week ago were adamany about Ronaldo for sure signing with fener too :)
just think about it - would a player like Henry go to Barca - the last big contract of his career - for 6 mil, which I doubt is much more, if that at all, than what he was getting at Arsenal.
don't about those Spanish rumours but 10 mil is just the figure I would expect a hyped player like him to be getting should he move awa from Arsenal - the guy is superstar after all.

I agree. An explanation from another forum:

I don't think salary had anything to do with it. We were already far ahead in the discussions with Arsenal, and he wanted to come to us as well. If Milan entered at that point the whole move would have been delayed by a few more days because suddenly there would be a new factor for him to consider.

We definitely are paying him around 6 million. There's no way we would offer more than Ronaldinho, and 10 is just ridiculous.

zlatanov

25-06-2007, 16:23

I agree. An explanation from another forum:

I don't think salary had anything to do with it. We were already far ahead in the discussions with Arsenal, and he wanted to come to us as well. If Milan entered at that point the whole move would have been delayed by a few more days because suddenly there would be a new factor for him to consider.

We definitely are paying him around 6 million. There's no way we would offer more than Ronaldinho, and 10 is just ridiculous.
to be honest, I would take Galliani's words over a guess from a fan on a football forum ... the guy sounds more like he wants to believe that Barca have made a good deal both in technical and financial terms rather than anything else.

Galliani said that salary was the only thing standing between henry and Milan and he said that Leonardo had done some hard work to convince him - that didn't sound as if Milan entered the scene in the last minute and Henry had aleady wrapped things up with barca by that time.

And I have a feeling Galliani wasn't just randomly throwing figures there but mentioned the actual figures in the negotiations because from his words, it sounded that Milan had been in contact with Henry for some time and if it had been a question of 6 mil "only", we'd have gotten him.

Graeme C

25-06-2007, 16:26

guys do you kno if atletico still owe us money?

Tony29.

25-06-2007, 16:31

I'm not 100% sure but i think Trezeguet has just renewed his contract with Juve until 2011, for 4.4m euro per year.
If it's true than you can take him off the list as well.

( if it's true than i'll be so happy that i'll start an Eto'o to Milan campaign and i'll use all of my connections to help you sign him :) )

mrki

25-06-2007, 16:40

We dont want Trez in Milan so we dont care, we have Superpippo :) Start the Eto'o campaigne now!

zlatanov

25-06-2007, 16:41

I'm not 100% sure but i think Trezeguet has just renewed his contract with Juve until 2011, for 4.4m euro per year.
If it's true than you can take him off the list as well.
we didn't need him anyway :zany: :diablo:
btw, it's on gazzetta now so it's true

Tony29.

25-06-2007, 16:45

Yessssssssssssssssssssssss
It's official

Here you go....a promise is a promise....Eto'o to Milan :)

mrki

25-06-2007, 16:46

In the end, tactically speaking, there is another mercato option. If we proceede with Carlo's 4-5-1 CL formation, we can go for some good AM to play alongside Kaka'. Players like Robben, J.Cole, Ribery,Camoranesi(played that role alongside Totti in the WC)...(just an example, not our targets).

Hasan Rossonero

25-06-2007, 17:05

Yessssssssssssssssssssssss
It's official

Here you go....a promise is a promise....Eto'o to Milan :)
Congrats!

Juve look very strong for next season.

4.4 is a very competitive salary.

Ghost

25-06-2007, 17:38

I find that hard to believe after what Galliani said yesterday about Milan being close to him but the salary turning out to be the stumbling block - had he come to Milan, about 6 mil net is what he would have been given anyway as this is how much Milan's star players earn.
I doubt Galliani was just throwing random figures when he mentioned 10, 15, 20 mil regarding Henry's salary ... I think he was actually talking about the actual sums.

Henry will earn 6 Million a year not 10, at Arsenal he earned 5 Million a year. So if you think about it, its only a million higher than his current salary.

To tell you the truth I dont want Sheva back, Henrys gone, Eto is unlikely. I want a striker who lets say is a bit like when Sheva came, young and has mental skills. I dont really like Torres so I would prefer someone like David Villa, he is one player Id spend alot of money on. He could be what we need and recently when it states that we have been linked with him, its good to know.

hitmannq8

25-06-2007, 17:47

sup yall..havent been online for a few days cuz im on vacation, right now im losing all my money at VEGAS!

ok about the transfers.. barca have had possibly the best squad in europe for the past year and still only lost the title in the last day.. they have had arguably 3 of the top 5 attackers in the world (eto, dinho, messi).. even when they just lost the championship in the last day, look how strong they entered the market and they dont even have any money near what we have.. they got Henry (a target of ours), then they got Yaya Toure (i wanted him bad, he is goin to be their best midfielder next season believe me), and now they are hot on Chivu's heels (also a target of ours)..

we had 2 trophyless seasons and yet we never dived into the market.. our management needs to start flexing their muscles and show their financial power.. our managements comments saying we'll play with our squad next year and will have the bonus of Ronaldo are making me sick.. we have to sign a few big names, we have to spend big..

comon Milan.. stop making your fans suffer.. last summer was the worst transfer campaign i've ever seen.. this one is heading the same way!! Suazo is the 3rd player Inter snatch from us (Crespo, Ibrahimovic last year).. what is happening to milan?? where are all the players that wanted to come to milan?? where is the player that would have caused chaos if anyone knew of his interest??

mrki

25-06-2007, 18:12

Tony29.

25-06-2007, 18:17

zlatanov

25-06-2007, 19:11

Yes, we forgot to mention Yaya Toure. He is a player like Vieira that can dribble past players and score oftenly! If we wanted a holding and strong midfielder, well...there goes one... now we'll go for trash Motta...
toure is a good player but is non-EU ... if Milan are set on Etoo and they seem to be willing to go on chasing him, we can't aford to sign any non-Eu players before it is absolutely certain that our next forward will not be Etoo but an EU player ... it's again one of those little rocks lying on the road for Italian teams.

zlatanov

25-06-2007, 19:13

Romanian defender Cristian Chivu is set to join Inter after rejecting an offer from Barcelona at the last minute.

The Nerazzurri have managed to beat their Spanish rivals with a £9m offer and the transfer could be made official early on Tuesday morning.

I's on channel4
Another one bites the dust, Mrki :)
I am pretty sure you are referring to Barca here but maybe it will turn out to be true for someone else ... like a very good Romanian player for instance ... and a Honduran one too ;)

Tony29.

25-06-2007, 19:24

It goes for Barca, Chivu and Mrki's wishlist :)

Nordahl

25-06-2007, 19:35

I cannot believe that we're losing Chivu for the merdi... and we have in Janku the weakest link of our shaky retaguard...

SANT

25-06-2007, 21:57

what I can not believe is that you have the guts to come back here, still list a website with such themes, say the same crap you used to say before you were banned the first, how many times????

Are you gonna find your way to the door, or will you need to be escorted?

Cane1972

25-06-2007, 22:21

He is an Italian citizen he is you and a defensive midfielder Isn't this what a lof us on here have been wanting. Get him and Zambrotta and I will be happy with our defense for years to come.

Trequartista

25-06-2007, 22:23

I cannot believe that we're losing Chivu for the merdi... and we have in Janku the weakest link of our shaky retaguard...

i agree, milan have been very disappointing in the last 4 yrs of the transfer market and now inter are strengthing again with CHIVU,

what managment dont understand is we need to keep up , if we keep the same squad i dont think we will anything next yr but be competetive if we dont buy new blood

silvio has the money, and our squad is ageing . we have won 3 scudetti in 12 yrs is that really a highly successful club?? the league should be important but seems not to be. Okay Champions league is great but surely the italian league has to be respected supporters want to watch their team week in week out win and be proud, ask a liverpool supporter what they would want more and its the league!

IS IT JUST ME OR DOES ANYONE CARE ABOUT THE LEAGUE! WE NEED NEW BLOOD! NEW DEFENDER AND NEW MIDFIELDER, NEW STRIKER younger than 30, no doubt if we buy someone ancelotti wont use them like he has done with bonera, grimi and gourceff and players in the past such as dohorasoo etc

let me hear your thoughts

Karim

25-06-2007, 23:18

Nordahl

25-06-2007, 23:44

Excelent post, Trequartista... but our board is to conservative and stubborn, so they'ill keep obsessed with brazilian players and waisting precious time tracking la lega stars that doesn't want to join us, instead of picking great players available at home, like Chivu or Quagliarella, or signing players from Neederlands, France, etc.

zlatanov

25-06-2007, 23:57

Gre-no-li/Nordahl,
I will play bad cop once again so I am officially asking you to remove that page you have on your profile for you home page as the material it is linking to is against just about any rule this forum has.

Your stay here during these last couple of dys has been highly provisional on the assumption that things would be different this time around.
Given your past history here, consider this a last warning in good faith ... because quite frankly, there doesn't have to be one.

Trequartista

26-06-2007, 01:00

I have stressing all the above points in many posts and I am glad that I see that many agree with these paticular points, for some reason, the most aparent weaknesses for the fans ( and rivals ;) ) the Milan board chose to ignore, yes you got Ronaldo, but then you have the inempt Ricardo who had a bright future, deserves another chance, but still Milan need a scoring machine, Pippo isn't capable of that anymore, Gila is way down, Ronaldo is a bit old, ricky is shacky.
The defense is aging, good move with Bonera, but what about Madini's LB side, Jan isn't doing a great job, he sometimes is the star in some matches, like against Chievo for one example, but defensively he sucks big time! My God in the 2nd derby there was a nice open street on his side that resulted in two goal and cost you the derby

AGREE!!! This rubbish about wages is outrageous , if we can afford 50m euros for eto and pay lower wages then if we pay henry more money but less transfer im pretty sure bottom line is going to equal!!

i guess if the rest of the players ask for money its different but come on this players dont want to join cos we dont want to pay the money i wish for youth come on milan!

Nordahl

26-06-2007, 01:04

Oh, I didn't know that I cannot list my website on the profile, sorry.

I guess that's a very extravagant measure, as anyone is obliged to visit my page, but if it's against the rules, let's obey. :)

mihan

26-06-2007, 02:11

Now is Fred of Lyon linked with Milan?

mrki

26-06-2007, 03:32

Kaka1899

26-06-2007, 03:48

Official Barca sign Yaya Toure

kastriot

26-06-2007, 03:52

So basically what Galliani is saying / making excuses, is this - Milan is no more competitive on the market?? We have an owner who has around 14 bil euros, ownes half of Italy, and we cant pay decent money for great players. We DO have a very good squad, and we won CL, but this is ridiculous.

Cant Milan ultras protest?? Oh wait, Milano politicians destroyed Fossa, they cant....

Its not that we are not competitive in the market...simply players wish is players wish...We were more competitive than Inter in Suazo case..but He wanted inter... Same goes with Chive..he wants Inter, he even turned down Barca :notlist:

And how can u protest, when Its showed that our management is doing good job...not great but overall we are doing good. We are listed as the best club in Europe in he last 5 years, for sake of the argument.

I agree that our management is bit slow,but no place to panic...or ULTRAS to protest..... This is not Croatia or Dinamo Zagreb...the BBB will protest regardless if Dinamo became champion or not... !!!!
On the eve of 23 all of us were full of praises for all the team...and now lets protest.

Just give them more time... And than start judging.

P.S Zambro will come...so you are not supposed to be complaining :grinser:

Edit: We can win the scudetto with this team!! for sure, however we need to concentrate only in the Serie A... we need to give up UCL...if we wanna be competitive in both frons than we need reinforcements!!

dejan.s

26-06-2007, 03:58

kastriot

26-06-2007, 04:00

http://goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=336786

We re now linked to Fred

Not so happy about it... but btw nothing and Fred I chose Fred!!

dejan.s

26-06-2007, 04:02

We can win the scudetto with this team!! for sure, however we need to concentrate only in the Serie A... we need to give up UCL...if we wanna be competitive in both frons than we need reinforcements!!

No, we can't!
Championship is 38 weeks, and injuries will rock the team sometimes in the season.
For scudetto you need consistency!
We need quality backups, and we don't have them!

mzk57

26-06-2007, 04:10

If Chivu joins Inter, than why not ACM try to get Fabbio Grosso from them ????
J.Zanetti, Matarrazi, Samuel and Chivu (LB) will be Inter's back four and Burdisso, Coccu and Cordoba thier back ups so Grosso will have to fight for his place :bri:
I am happy with Janku ;) he has done a fantastic job but Grosso brings that WC history with him so I would prefare Grosso to Zambrotta :5ok:

I still can't for get that semi final goal & celebration :uhm:

mrki

26-06-2007, 04:12

Its not that we are not competitive in the market...simply players wish is players wish...We were more competitive than Inter in Suazo case..but He wanted inter... Same goes with Chive..he wants Inter, he even turned down Barca :notlist:

And how can u protest, when Its showed that our management is doing good job...not great but overall we are doing good. We are listed as the best club in Europe in he last 5 years, for sake of the argument.

I agree that our management is bit slow,but no place to panic...or ULTRAS to protest..... This is not Croatia or Dinamo Zagreb...the BBB will protest regardless if Dinamo became champion or not... !!!!
On the eve of 23 all of us were full of praises for all the team...and now lets protest.

Just give them more time... And than start judging.

P.S Zambro will come...so you are not supposed to be complaining :grinser:

Edit: We can win the scudetto with this team!! for sure, however we need to concentrate only in the Serie A... we need to give up UCL...if we wanna be competitive in both frons than we need reinforcements!!

If you saay Zambro is coming, they its all ok :)

I wasnt talking about making protests like BBB, those guys protest every day for something. Of course we were all full of praise for our TEAM, they did brilliantly. The market is long, I know, as you say, and I agree, patience is needed. I'll wait for a few more days :grinser: Then we all protest, ok ? :grinser:

I just saw Berlu on tg24 speaking how Laporta simply cant sell Ronaldinho as he would have to move out of Barcelona city, and that we are still going for Eto'o. It gives hope I guess... :pp20:

mrki

26-06-2007, 04:58

dejan.s

26-06-2007, 05:01

"""Milan have tabled Emerson's agent, Gilmar Veloz, a three-year contract worth more than he is currently earning at Real."""
Anyone mentioned money?!

I said, something fishy is going on :1old:

mzk57

26-06-2007, 05:43

Milan let Donati join Celtic and now talks abt Emerson and Motta :wallbang:

Sleep

26-06-2007, 06:05

I don't know if the source is true. But I have read that Pato have signed with Chelsea in a P17M transfer :sob: :sob: .

I don't know why we need Suazo? I don't think he is any good. IMO, he is just as good as Oliveira.

Kaka1899

26-06-2007, 07:15

MiamiMilanista

26-06-2007, 07:53

Is anyone else growing extremely impatient. It seems like every team is rolling on this market, but we still have yet to sign a player. Henry publicly stated he was flattered by Milan's compliments, yet we table an offer at the last minute?? It's a disgrace that management honestly thinks that we are good enough to move forward. We have an old team who will be competing in four competitions in 07-08. We have no central defender to accompany Nesta, yet we are putting all our cards on Eto'o. It's going to be a waste...

Unless we move soon, the market will dry out, and we'll be left with nothing

ginoformaggino

26-06-2007, 08:20

the incredible last about Henry, from Portugal "O jogo": http://www.ojogo.pt/Directo/NoticiaHoraFutebolInternacional_HenryCiatica2606_24603.asp
"Henry suffers of sciatica" !
has Barcelona bought cat for hare?

summer : time to dream, it's your moment, intertrista

zlatanov

26-06-2007, 08:26

Yaya Toure signs for Barca.
Transfer fee: 12mil
Annual Salary: 2mil
Four year contract
Sum: 12+4*2=20mil
Gross:12+4*4=28mil

So, now AC Milan don't have 28 million euros over 4 years??!!

Something fishy is going on :1old:
he is a non-EU player, unlike Spanish teams, Italian teams cannot empty and refill again their non-Eu spots at a wish.

As for Emrson's agent, the same guy represents Pato too so Milan are likely to be talking to him a lot lately ... and thus cause AS reports that Milan are willing to dress up Emerson in gold ... after those Kaka photoshops, I doubt we can expect any reliable info from them

Hasan Rossonero

26-06-2007, 08:29

Abbiati has been sold/loaned to Atletico Madrid.

www.acmilan.com

zlatanov

26-06-2007, 08:33

It seems to be a loan - till summer of 2008 - not sure why Milan just don't let the guy go and find himself a new team where he can finally restart his career as opposed to throwing him left and right.

zlatanov

26-06-2007, 08:54

And....we made official aproach to Pato, according to his agent. Milan and Chelsea. Leonardno is in charge of that. But Pato can sign a contract only when he is 18, and that will be in january mercato.

Juve, according to controcampo, payed 2mil in advance for Huntelaar and he will join them, next season. Our new midfield target is - motta. And that sucks tottaly.
that's a link saying basically what Marko has said above about Pato - the agent confirms that Milan and Chelski are after the player - doesn't sound like Chelski has finalized any deal whatsoever - and both sides have received Intercional's permission to speak to the player ... it is yet to see what Pato's preferences would be:
http://www.calciomercato.it/dettaglioNewsCategoria.asp?hdnIdCategoria=2&hdnId=9336

btw, Marko, zambrotta is not coming to Milan, so you can start complaining again ... no need to hold back anymore :D

K77SH C

26-06-2007, 08:57

As for Emrson's agent, the same guy represents Pato too so Milan are likely to be talking to him a lot lately ...

Very interesting. It is a long summer, but if Etto is really impossible to prize away from Barca as it seems and Milan do believe in this Pato kid then maybe its worth waiting until Christmas for him.

humanTORCH

26-06-2007, 09:00

K77SH C

26-06-2007, 09:05

He might be made a bait. Torres anyone :bri:

No thankyou

zlatanov

26-06-2007, 09:06

Very interesting. It is a long summer, but if Etto is really impossible to prize away from Barca as it seems and Milan do believe in this Pato kid then maybe its worth waiting until Christmas for him.
I really doubt Milan see in an 17/18 yo teenager the star striker they have been promising for some time now.
It looks like if the Etoo chase fails, Fred will be the next target although his performances on the Copa America could have a decisive effect on that.

And Milan seems to have made their first bid in their hunt for Etoo ... despite barca's "not for sale" stickers slapped all over his face - pretty sure they are just teasing us though :D:
http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/index.php?action=read&id=64530

btw, guys, Copa America is starting tonight so, nail yourselves to the TV screens and make Milan proud with your scouting talent :grinser:

Tony29.

26-06-2007, 09:08

Very interesting. It is a long summer, but if Etto is really impossible to prize away from Barca as it seems and Milan do believe in this Pato kid then maybe its worth waiting until Christmas for him.
I don't think he will join Milan in January.
I mean, Milan can make the deal with the club and the player but i don't think you'll use the non-EU spot in January. If Milan buys Pato, i think he'll start playing for you from season 2008/09

* I may be wrong though. I don't know if it's one non-EU for the entire season or only for one transfer window. (?)
Although there are few tricks that can make Milan get Pato in January already, even if the non-EU spot is taken by someone this summer

zlatanov

26-06-2007, 09:15

I don't think he will join Milan in January.
I mean, Milan can make the deal with the club and the player but i don't think you'll use the non-EU spot in January. If Milan buys Pato, i think he'll start playing for you from season 2008/09

* I may be wrong though. I don't know if it's one non-EU for the entire season or only for one transfer window. (?)
Although there are few tricks that can make Milan get Pato in January already, even if the non-EU spot is taken by someone this summer
both right and wrong, as always :grinser:

seriously though - I am still not 100% sure what's the deal with non-EU places in Italy as there has been some statements in the media that Kaka getting Italian citizenship would free one more spot for Milan - bogus IMO - but I am pretty sure that whatever the restrictions are, they go for the entire season, not just one transfer period - it doesn't matter however when a team decides to get that player, in the winter or summer window of the particular season.

And wrong - Milan can get Pato in january and loan him out to another italian team as they would hardly put him straight in the senior team anyway ... and maybe next summer bring him in, probably, as a non_eu player coming from another Italian team i.e. he won't take up a non-EU spot for next summer's transfer period.

K77SH C

26-06-2007, 09:19

It would be a refreshing change to see Milan buy a Ronaldo at the age of 18 rather than at 30 :respect:

He isnt the big star we have been promised, but I wouldnt be too dissapointed as I dont believ our attack is our weakest point. With Kaka able to play as a second striker/playmaker we have options. I think Gila will play better with R99. Honestly the defence worries me more. So I woulnt mind Milan investing in an
exciting project like Pato up front. For me, one of the most exciting things about being a Milan fan is watching Gourcuff grow and hopefully burst onto the scene this season.

Dont get me wrong, Im not crazy about Pato as I know little about him. I would prefer Etoo any day! But if it came down to us getting a Fred or a David Villa, then Id be alot more excited about seeing what one of these new breed of wonderkids could do for us.

Tony29.

26-06-2007, 09:19

And wrong - Milan can get Pato in january and loan him out to another italian team as they would hardly put him straight in the senior team anyway ... and maybe next summer bring him in, probably, as a non_eu player coming from another Italian team i.e. he won't take up a non-EU spot for next summer's transfer period.
I wasn't wrong :rolleyes:
I said there are tricks and Milan can get Pato in January even if the non-EU spot is taken !
Loaning him to some other Italian team is the trick i was talking about. We did that with Mutu in 2004

K77SH C

26-06-2007, 09:21

both right and wrong, as always :grinser:

seriously though - I am still not 100% sure what's the deal with non-EU places in Italy as there has been some statements in the media that Kaka getting Italian citizenship would free one more spot for Milan - bogus IMO - but I am pretty sure that whatever the restrictions are, they go for the entire season, not just one transfer period - it doesn't matter however when a team decides to get that player, in the winter or summer window of the particular season.

Im not sure about how many non EU players can play in the team at once, but Im pretty sure that not too long ago Milan could only buy one non EU player every season.

zlatanov

26-06-2007, 09:34

I wasn't wrong :rolleyes:
I said there are tricks and Milan can get Pato in January even if the non-EU spot is taken !
Loaning him to some other Italian team is the trick i was talking about. We did that with Mutu in 2004
yes, you were wrong, as usual ... just admit it :D

and btw, Tony, speaking of mistakes - you were also wrong when you were choosing a team to support :diablo:

Sleep

26-06-2007, 09:42

i cant find that about Pato i would be happy with Pato and Zambro in the Mercato this year
I can't remember the link, but I remember the newspaper they mentioned: Ultimo Segundo - a brazillian newspaper - said Pato have agreed a deal to Chelsea. If it's too, poor Pato, and poor for my hope =((

seriously though - I am still not 100% sure what's the deal with non-EU places in Italy as there has been some statements in the media that Kaka getting Italian citizenship would free one more spot for Milan - bogus IMO
I'm sure that Kaka getting Italian citizenship doesn't do anything with transfer. I mean we can still buy only 1 non eu player a year. The only good thing with Kaka's Italian citizenship I know is players registering. And maybe a prove to show Kaka's love with Italy:D.

Tony29.

26-06-2007, 09:44

yes, you were wrong, as usual ... just admit it :D

and btw, Tony, speaking of mistakes - you were also wrong when you were choosing a team to support :diablo:
I wasn't choosing, that's the problem.
They've chosen me....something you can't understand as a Milanista.
You guys go with " aha, they won the CL - I'm their fan" ... or " aha, JDT is very pretty - i'm their fan" ...... while with Juve is different.
Juve bites your neck, infects your blood and you're theirs forever and ever......no silver bullet can help ;)
You're theirs even in serie B, not only when they win CL. You're theirs even when the best player leaves them, you don't go to Chelsea forums when that happens !

:diablo:

zlatanov

26-06-2007, 09:46

It's Official: Bayern have Klosed for Klose
http://www.calciomercato.it/dettaglioNewsCategoria.asp?hdnIdCategoria=2&hdnId=9346

12 mil to Werder and another 3 mil should he meet certain criteria in his performances at Bayern.

FCS, another player stolen from under Milan's noses ... this is getting really worrying now ... pathetic in fact :(

:D

zlatanov

26-06-2007, 09:49

Sleep

26-06-2007, 09:50

bayern is the best club in this transfer window since they can't join CL this year. And Milan <the CL champion> seems to be the worst in this transfer window :grinser:

Tony29.

26-06-2007, 09:55

sounds more like a coded message expressing remorse to me ...
if that's how Juve fans admit to their mistakes, I accept it

:grinser:
You made me nervious now.
You forced me to register in forza-inter and make fun of them !!

(i'll chose a nick only for you to recognize :grinser: )

drucurl

26-06-2007, 10:04

I wasn't choosing, that's the problem.
They've chosen me....something you can't understand as a Milanista.
You guys go with " aha, they won the CL - I'm their fan" ... or " aha, JDT is very pretty - i'm their fan" ...... while with Juve is different.
Juve bites your neck, infects your blood and you're theirs forever and ever......no silver bullet can help
You're theirs even in serie B, not only when they win CL. You're theirs even when the best player leaves them, you don't go to Chelsea forums when that happens !

Keep it up Tony...maybe one day you'll be able to stop those precious white stripes from bleeding :D but for now we'll play along.....everybody Tony's an evil juventino :grinser: awwwww how cute (baby talk) Who's an evil Juventino? Yes your are? You are a big bad evil Juventino! (/baby talk) :rotfl:

Back to more important issues ...I'm sure that us poor beleagured Rossoneri would have been GLAD even to get Klose :( Of course Bayern is in suuuuch a better financila situation that us poverty striken Milan fans which is why we couldn't even get closer to Klose :zany:

As far as I remembered isn't Pato 18 already :dontkn: What about Nilmar?? Surely he can't be that unattainable and he is very good talent.....knowing Galliani he would tell Leonardo to skip past Nilamar and make an approach to Romario....then we can put up a big gold Romario sign on acmilan.com and tell everyone about the titles he won decades ago :wallbang:

Then like the true politician he is Berlu can promise us to "go all out" in trying to get Roanldinho/ Eto'o in 08' :wth:
BTW Real is getting Saviola for FREE . poor little Milan we could only DREAM about paying a mid level superstar like him :mad:

MOOD

26-06-2007, 10:09

bayern is the best club in this transfer window since they can't join CL this year. And Milan <the CL champion> seems to be the worst in this transfer window :grinser:

haha yes, at the moment it looks like that, but lets see waht the future will bring us. but buy players that dont fit with the team, it look senseless for me.

Nordahl

26-06-2007, 10:10

Milan_Mad

26-06-2007, 10:10

Sleep

26-06-2007, 10:14

I dont understand why we never went in for Klose
yeah, I'm 100% agreed. He's already 29, one year from 30 is not so much, right? :grinser:
haha yes, at the moment it looks like that, but lets see waht the future will bring us. but buy players that dont fit with the team, it look senseless for me.
Please see the emotion I used in the post :grinser:

Tony29.

26-06-2007, 10:15

Sorry for off-topic, but i just visited forza-inter and two Milan guys gave me the laugh of the month. I'd buy them lunch if i knew them :)
Watch this :

1. http://www.javierzanetti.net/forums/showpost.php?p=265613&postcount=1044

2. Dont you BBilanistas have forums of your own?

Quiet you! Myself and another Milanista are discussing Europe, a topic that clearly doesn't involve or concern Inter. :howler:

Quiet? Thats what your gonna be when your banned. :lol:

lool! - lets talk about something where they could give their opinions on the subject.

So favalli19, what type of cell phone do you have?

:haha: :haha:

hany.Egypt

26-06-2007, 10:21

I really hope that we can grab that Pato boy by the summer... he's an outstanding prospect, fully ready to shine on a great european top football side. BTW: I have a friend that works on Internacional portoalegrense, and he said some weeks ago that the guy seems very keen to join us... well, hope it's true!
I read this also in many Arabian websites, said sth about following the foot steps of the great Brazilian players is seria A, however, this is not enough to grap him, we should show more willing in Paying the money he and his club wants cuz Chelsea will pay huge amounts like always

humanTORCH

26-06-2007, 10:23

come guys...it still early days of summer.
Galliani will get the players we need....ehh...i hope :nervous:

hany.Egypt

26-06-2007, 10:26

wish I can have the same faith you have humanTORCh

MOOD

26-06-2007, 10:26

come guys...it still early days of summer.
Galliani will get the players we need....ehh...i hope :nervous:

he will, im sure about that :sweeteye:

zlatanov

26-06-2007, 10:26

Sorry for off-topic, but i just visited forza-inter and two Milan guys gave me the laugh of the month. I'd buy them lunch if i knew them :)
Watch this :

1. http://www.javierzanetti.net/forums/showpost.php?p=265613&postcount=1044

2.

:haha: :haha:
:grinser:
see. it's fun over there at the Inter forum :D

btw, nice nick you've got there :diablo:

King tiger

26-06-2007, 10:43

http://www.forza-inter.com/forums/member.php?u=2575

hahahaha :D

Tony29.

26-06-2007, 10:47

Wow, that's a long nickname.
I think it's Bulgarian, how did you understand what it means ?

Tony29.

26-06-2007, 11:34

Deco: derby Inter-Milan per il portoghese del Barcellona

16:04 del 26 giugno

Secondo il quotidiano portoghese A Bola, ci sarà un derby di mercato tra Inter e Milan per acquistare il centrocampista del Barcellona, Deco.
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Acording to one Portugesse paper "A Bola" , there will be a derby between Inter and Milan for Deco. Both teams are after him !

icculus

26-06-2007, 11:46

TEVEZ - Inter / Real (& as usual a Real - Kaka reference)
yahoo...

Premiership - Tevez prefers Milan to Madrid
Eurosport - Tue, 26 Jun 14:54:00 2007
Premiership - According to West Ham's Carlos Tevez, he has two of the Worlds biggest clubs chasing his signature.

Both La Liga champions Real Madrid and Serie A winners Internazionale have apparently declared their interest in the small striker and of the two, Tevez would prefer to ply his trade on Italian soil.

"Inter is a big club and there is certainly a real possibility that I will be wearing the 'nerazzurri' shirt next season," the Argentinean striker told Italy's La Gazzetta dello Sport.

He also announced to the Italian sports daily "it is also true" that Madrid are interested, "although my agent knows my thoughts; better Inter than Real"

A transfer to Inter would see Tevez team up with a number of fellow Argentines including Hernan Crespo, Julio Cruz and Javier Zanetti. But Real Madrid, FIFA's Team of the Century, are a strong magnet for any professional footballer.

If the Madrid reports are true, it is likely that Milan's Kaka will be a decisive factor in the move. Teves would be a good second-best for Madrid's president Ramon Calderon if he is unable to lure his number one transfer target from the San Siro.

Calderon pledged that on becoming El Presidente he would guarantee the arrival of Kaka, but this promise has as yet been an empty one.

The Madrid president recently reiterated that Real are "waiting with arms open" for the Brazilian but if he decides to stay put, the Spanish giants could turn their attentions elsewhere and will likely step up their interest in Tevez.
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how many strikeres do they want in inter?
cruz
suazo
ibra
crespo
adriano
recoba

tevez
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fool = inter = any striker joining a team that already has 6 strikers fighting for a starting spot.

Ghost

26-06-2007, 11:46

Sorry for off-topic, but i just visited forza-inter and two Milan guys gave me the laugh of the month. I'd buy them lunch if i knew them :)

:haha: :haha:

lol you owe me lunch then Tony, I just loved winding them up to be honest.

the incredible last about Henry, from Portugal "O jogo": http://www.ojogo.pt/Directo/NoticiaHoraFutebolInternacional_HenryCiatica2606_24603.asp
"Henry suffers of sciatica" !
has Barcelona bought cat for hare?

I dont understand what thats saying but basically as some people might have heard earlier this year Henry suffered from this injury which is called something like Scatica, I think it has something to do with the nerves. I know a few doctor friends and when discussing about football with them they actually told me this type of injury is very serious, players would find it very difficult to recover fully from this.

Now the thing is im not 100% sure about what my friends said was true but with their experience in this field I cannot say they don't know what they're talking about, however if it is true then Barca got ripped off and robbed silly if you ask me. A positive reason for not going for Henry, maybe the Milan Lab which is probably the best lab in the world told Silvio & co. not to go for him because of this injury, but then again im sure Barca would not of spent that much money on him.

Tony29.

26-06-2007, 11:49

lol you owe me lunch then Tony, I just loved winding them up to be honest.

Shhhhh, one guy said you'd have been banned if you were at MM :grinser:

It was a fantastic ownage, btw. Lunch and drinks on me :5ok:

zlatanov

26-06-2007, 11:54

Shhhhh, one guy said you'd have been banned if you were at MM :grinser:

he already is look at the custom title :D

btw, forza DECOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :grinser:

drucurl

26-06-2007, 11:56

Deco: derby Inter-Milan per il portoghese del Barcellona

Secondo il quotidiano portoghese A Bola, ci sarà un derby di mercato tra Inter e Milan per acquistare il centrocampista del Barcellona, Deco.
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Acording to one Portugesse paper "A Bola" , there will be a derby between Inter and Milan for Deco. Both teams are after him !

:confused: I NEVER GOT the hype around Deco.........a slow brazilian reject who couldn't cut it for Brazil :wth: Seedorf, for all his failings, is muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuch better :wallbang: Hell I'd take my chances on that overrated Sneijder than Deco. AAARG I can't take the silly season :mad:

Sometimes I wonder why things seem so clear to us fans that management don't seem to have a clue about. I'll never dream to think that I could possibly do a better job than a man that brought us a boatload of trophies and some of the greatest players ever in the history of football...but I would have thought that being a Milan fan for years would have at least made me understand how Berlu and galliani think :d55: I don't and I concede that they are far better than me at this....just can't help but feel fustrated :irritate:

zlatanov

26-06-2007, 12:00

zlatanov

26-06-2007, 12:03

and maybe Chivu won't go to Inter after all:
Roma's direttore sportivo Prade' is reportedly on his way to Barcelona to close the deal:
http://www.calciomercato.it/dettaglioNewsCategoria.asp?hdnIdCategoria=1&hdnId=2421

drucurl

26-06-2007, 12:07

lol you owe me lunch then Tony, I just loved winding them up to be honest.

I find the approach of hitting them little jabs ever so often than to land a knockout punch.....keeps you from getting banned like you did :D a certain ronaldo fan has a habit of slipping in coments that are subtle enough to get banned for but not too subtle so they still feel like...well inter :zany: Damn I love that guy :grinser:

Tony29.

26-06-2007, 12:08

drucurl

26-06-2007, 12:18

Deco was instrumental for Porto and Barcelona when they won CL.
You have no idea what you're talking about, dru.
Who is the one who has no idea what he's talking about (baby talk) ?
Dru is. Yes he is, oh yes he is ( baby talk)
LMAO!!! good one :5ok: I'll give you win on this one ( let it never be said that drucurl isn't charitable to confused football fans :zany: )

.....you're too easy anyway......when I'm finished with you, you might have to do a Linford Christie and join the better team :D

PS Deco = Overrated rubbish who couldn't cut it for his NT (see Thierry Henry) and thrived under Mourinho and Ronaldino's brilliance ...coming to think of it Deco deserted his national team like Bailey and Christie as well :rotfl:

_MaJi_tz

26-06-2007, 12:33

Tony29.

26-06-2007, 12:49

never say never:
http://www.tgcom.mediaset.it/controcampo/articoli/articolo368024.shtml

according to silent rumours in the mercato rooms :D Barca is ready to sell Etoo and Milan is ready to up the ante to 35 mil.
Zlat, you did read the full article, didn't you ?
First of all, Tgcom is mediaset and we know who's the owner. Of course they're gonna write such articles. And frankly, most of the time what they were writing was a pure speculation ( if i'm not wrong Buffon was a done deal according to these guys).

But then again, even if what they say is true ( which in this case might be, because i can't see all these attackers stay in Barcelona) the last sentence is the problematic one :
Milan could offer up to 35m while Barcelona won't even think about letting him go for under 40m.
The other problem is Eto'o. He wants 8m which is 2m more than what he earns now and much more than what the greatest Milan stars are earning. If Milan give Eto'o 8m then they'll have to give a wage increase to Kaka and the others.

Btw, the author of the article is a Milan fan ;)
There goes the objectivity

GilAttack [11]

26-06-2007, 12:50

Eto'o is a very nice player but he has alienated about everyone in Barcelona, going from coach to Ronaldinho to management.
If not him, please make a move for Tevez and make it look as if we stole him from Inter's hands :grinser:

Warro Bantan

26-06-2007, 13:00

I dont understand why we never went in for Klose :irritate: One word answer: Bierhoff :grinser:

This silly season is really interesting, but I would love to be able to ffwd to Sept to see all that has actually transpired, vs the rumors that abound....

martin

26-06-2007, 13:23

One word answer: Bierhoff :grinser:

This silly season is really interesting, but I would love to be able to ffwd to Sept to see all that has actually transpired, vs the rumors that abound....
BIERHOFF my favourite player, a goal machine even though he couldn't use his feet.

Iggy

26-06-2007, 13:33

just for the record, Pato will be 18 september 2nd :)

Milan_Mad

26-06-2007, 13:40

One word answer: Bierhoff :grinser:

This silly season is really interesting, but I would love to be able to ffwd to Sept to see all that has actually transpired, vs the rumors that abound....Whats wrong with Bierhoff man he was a star in serie a and for germany

Kaku

26-06-2007, 14:02

Well..Abbiati going to Atletico Madrid...does that mean we're going after Torres? or is it just an usual transfer?

And some newspapers are saying that Pato will go to Chelsea for !!!!£18m!!!! But well...who knows...

Warro Bantan

26-06-2007, 14:25

Whats wrong with Bierhoff man he was a star in serie a and for germany I was following Milan closely when we bought this player, on Zacceroni´s insistence...fine, we won the Serie A that year, in no small part due to the German´s goals...then...it all went south...and Bierhoff couldnt buy a goal, or even rent one...he was one of the worst strikers (IMO) ever to wear our shirt...miss after miss after miss...only Vieri could I say, was actually less productive...or RO! :D

Graeme C

26-06-2007, 15:06

Well..Abbiati going to Atletico Madrid...does that mean we're going after Torres? or is it just an usual transfer?

Maybe its a backup plan, keep sweet with Atletico. And to be honest we could do alot worse than Torres.

kastriot

26-06-2007, 15:23

Maybe its a backup plan, keep sweet with Atletico. And to be honest we could do alot worse than Torres.

TOrres is good,but in Milan he will be Jose Mari and Javi Moreno!!! I have the feeling it will be like this!!!

I feel different about Villa...his different, his more of fighting spirit..A real Killer in the box.

remote2book

26-06-2007, 16:00

so klose is gone too uh.....can i now officialy lose faith in signing a superstar?

drucurl

26-06-2007, 16:10

TOrres is good,but in Milan he will be Jose Mari and Javi Moreno!!! I have the feeling it will be like this!!!

I feel different about Villa...his different, his more of fighting spirit..A real Killer in the box.
I read somewhere that Torres does the 100m in 9.9 s :eekani: Hell I'd buy him just to see him and Olivera go at it :D
Seriously, if it's any spaniard that is going to make it here it's Torres :5ok:

Milan_Mad

26-06-2007, 16:17

Now bayern have 3 world class forwards i can now see roy makaay leaving could this be the superstar Berlusconi is talking about he is around the age we go after :rolleyes:

martin

26-06-2007, 16:25

I was following Milan closely when we bought this player, on Zacceroni´s insistence...fine, we won the Serie A that year, in no small part due to the German´s goals...then...it all went south...and Bierhoff couldnt buy a goal, or even rent one...he was one of the worst strikers (IMO) ever to wear our shirt...miss after miss after miss...only Vieri could I say, was actually less productive...or RO! :D
i guess everyone has their own opinion. i dun like inzaghi but i have to at least pay respect to him for all that he has done for our club. i think bierhoff deserves respects for all that he did for us irregardless of how many chances he might have missed

Warro Bantan

26-06-2007, 16:57

Indeed you are correct martin, but I reserve my right to consider him one of the worst forwards to ever play for Milan....and come to think of it, we havent bought a German since.....

Wonder why?

Giorgos

26-06-2007, 17:29

What about Obafemi Martins isn't a good player?....

Warro Bantan

26-06-2007, 17:36

For the latest on the Etoo saga Click here (http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jun26q.html)

Basically says that Barca cant afford to have Etoo and Henry on the bench...so they are going for a lower cost alternative...for Etoo?

Silly season rumbles on... :bri:

Kaka1899

26-06-2007, 17:52

so can chelski sign Pato now? or do they also have to wait?

Warro Bantan

26-06-2007, 18:04

Kaka1899

26-06-2007, 18:17

The rules are different for the UK, so I believe thy can sign him now...while we would have to wait until January...all we have to do though, is pay them some money so that we will have first option on him...(I think)
i hope we do that then i think players like him are too good to miss once in a lifetime. how much is he still valued at is it £25 million?

Milan_Mad

26-06-2007, 18:20

Tony29.

26-06-2007, 18:39

I think the rules in UK can't help Chelsea to sign Pato this summer.
The rules in Brasil won't allow Pato to leave Brasil until he's 18

hany.Egypt

26-06-2007, 18:54

What about Obafemi Martins isn't a good player?....
his finishing is awful, but at the same time he has some excellent skills

kastriot

26-06-2007, 19:41

I read somewhere that Torres does the 100m in 9.9 s :eekani: Hell I'd buy him just to see him and Olivera go at it :D
Seriously, if it's any spaniard that is going to make it here it's Torres :5ok:

If Tores does 100 m in less than 10 sec....I wonder what Eto and Martins can do...Break the world record.... I dont believe he can do that, his fast though and I personally like him,but I think his low work rate, and lack of physic make him not good candidate for Serie A. I might be wrong but What you`re saying DRU is that if some spaniard can do it in Serie A than its tores, dont think so...You definitely can keep the right to youre opinion but I dont agree with u at all..thats extreme judgment.

P.s Our management thinks as I do..otherwise Toress would have been our player by now(18 mil they owe us and good relations in btw.)
But when Galiani and company shares the same opinion with u its not smth to brag about it. :grinser:

Hasan Rossonero

26-06-2007, 20:25

The rules are different for the UK, so I believe thy can sign him now...while we would have to wait until January...all we have to do though, is pay them some money so that we will have first option on him...(I think)
Actually the rules favour Italian clubs. Chelsea would have to wait till he could obtain a permit for the UK. IN these instances, English clubs are at a disadvantage.

Sleep

26-06-2007, 22:00

I don't really know about this rule, but as Channel4 said, it's Brazil's rule, so I think England suffers it too.

i hope we do that then i think players like him are too good to miss once in a lifetime. how much is he still valued at is it £25 million?
P15M is his terminating contract fee as far as I know. So I think 15M is enough

zlatanov

26-06-2007, 22:45

Actually the rules favour Italian clubs. Chelsea would have to wait till he could obtain a permit for the UK. IN these instances, English clubs are at a disadvantage.
what you say is true ... but in general. I believe that for players under the age of 21 (or 20) there is a way to make an exception for them as they are considered "young talents" and they don't need to have those 75% games for the NT as older players are required to (unless you are a Chelski player i.e. Alex).
In a similar way ManU got Anderson, although I guess obtaining the work permit even in these "exceptional" cases isn't exactly a smooth and automatic process as ManU still had to wait for a decision to be made (on a case-by-case basis, I guess).

but as mentioned in that Channel 4 article, if true, the problem of signing Pato right now isn't due to restrictions in England or Italy but Brazil ... so both CHelski and Milan or any other club for that matter would have to wait a little more.

martin

27-06-2007, 00:26

Indeed you are correct martin, but I reserve my right to consider him one of the worst forwards to ever play for Milan....and come to think of it, we havent bought a German since.....

Wonder why?
haha you are absolutely right! thats why we havent bought any germans. bierhoff left such a sour taste in our mouth after winning the scudetto that we decided not to buy any more germans. or cud it be that germany has had very little youth talent, alas them not even making it out of the group stages in euro cup. if i remember correctly we were paired with mertesacker but the deal never happened. honestly, which young germans are milan caliber? i cannot think of any exept maybe lahm and shweinstiger (long name). also rivaldo and vieri were pretty crappy for us too, im genuinely surprised that milan has bought more italians and brazilians.

mrki

27-06-2007, 05:49

At this stage there is a real possibility that we still get our first two targets: Eto'o and Emerson. I believe that Eto'o really doesnt wanna leave Barca but eventually he'll be sold to us or somewhere in England. Some reports are saying that Chelsea will buy Eto'o and Milan will get Drigba,but im sure that's not true. Once we get Eto'o and Emerson our campaign will be over, maybe some defender will take Billy'y place.

Tony75

27-06-2007, 05:54

God I hope we don't sign Emerson. No thanks at all. Over-rated, very average,and will add nothing to our team. Motta would be decent, not Emerson. Motta, Zambrotta, Zapata, Cignarini, Eto'o & Pato would be very good additions.

mrki

27-06-2007, 07:01

Drenthe off to Madrid, Juve announced they will go for TWO CB's not just one, Camoranesi staying with them also...

kris

27-06-2007, 07:06

I was following Milan closely when we bought this player, on Zacceroni´s insistence...

We bought him before Zaccheroni, he was actually a Capello wish.

If Tores does 100 m in less than 10 sec....I wonder what Eto and Martins can do...Break the world record.... I dont believe he can do that, his fast though and I personally like him,but I think his low work rate, and lack of physic make him not good candidate for Serie A.

It is really hard for us to judge since we never see the players run a full 100m. AFAIK, the fastest runner on a 100m in EPL is Rommedahl. The German Odonkor is possibly the fastest runner in top eurpean football over 100m. Take this at arms lenght, since it is hard to come up with factual figures.

Anyway, when it comes to football players it is often the 10-60 meters that count.

zlatanov

27-06-2007, 07:41

Drenthe off to Madrid, Juve announced they will go for TWO CB's not just one, Camoranesi staying with them also...
I think Real M are still at the point of being interested in him ... nothing definite ... although I would expect to see a good number of players to come and go in and out of Madrid over the next 2 months given that most probably they will be changing coaches - replacing an award-winning coach with a totally unproven one and paying around 10 mil in fees to Capello too ... has the stamp of "made in Madrid only" all over it :rolleyes:

Drenthe seems to be the yet another "new R.C." for Real although I wonder didn't they have one already ... a player who caused quite a moan among Milan fans when he left for Madrid last year :D

As for Juve, I think 2 CBs is what they needed from day one - one wouldn't have been enough given their current choices of Legrotaglie and Boumsong with Kovac gone too.
One of these CBs will Cannavaro, the other one of Pepe or Milito, form the looks of it.

Tony75

27-06-2007, 07:41

On a scientific study the avergae distance a player ran in the EPL with the ball is 13 yards, so having a player who can do 100 metres in 10 secs doesn't make a diff really unless his reaction speed is brilliant also.

Pietro

27-06-2007, 08:43

OFFICIAL A.C. MILAN ANNOUNCEMENT
6/27/2007
A.C. Milan have announced that they have temporarily loaned out Davide Di Gennaro to F.C. Bologna 1909.

Seems like a great talent - hopefully he can grow at Bologna....it would be nice to have a player from our youth team come through....feels like its been ages since we've had one!

Ghost

27-06-2007, 09:15

I think the problem might be the amount of money Pato is worth, buying Kaka money wise was next to nothing described by Berlusconi as peanuts. However Pato on the other hand will go for something near the 20mill mark, its a big risk if you ask me.

The latest reports suggest that we will go for Eto and if we fail then tis Pato, my opinion is that I dont like Eto. I never have liked him and probably never will, the biggest reason for the ego this guy carries. I would prefer if we got Pato and made Ancelotti nurture him as we are talking about the guy who basically made Kaka.

Tony29.

27-06-2007, 09:20

Nordahl

27-06-2007, 09:34

Galliani also said that Milan has only one objective this summer - One grand attacker.

No reinforcements for the the retaguard? I'm sure Galliani must be joking, it cannot be otherwise...

Well... I have a feel that Pato will join us, perhaps not now, but on the following year, and that will be outstanding. For now I guess we're more closer to Drogba than to Eto'o.

Oldman

27-06-2007, 09:49

From Corriere dello sport :
Morinho wants Eto'o. If Chelsea buys Eto'o it will free up Drogba who would like to join Milan in that case

Galliani also said that Milan has only one objective this summer - One grand attacker. He said Dinho and Eto'o are untouchable but Sheva is still an option.

Hionestly, I do not like the way Eto'o "underestimate" Milan by saying that he doesn't want to join Milan sometime ago,
If now he prefer to join Milan then I shall welcome Drogba more than if we re-sign Sheva or even Eto'o. Also that news said Eto'o has kinda "bad temper" and in many times brought troubles in the dressing room at Nou Camp. We knew that Milan's dressing room is one of the friendliest room where all players fell like a big family to each other. Shall we sacrifice the peace at Milanello by signing this guy ??
To me, Dorgba is the best option should we lose Eto'o to Chelski and moreover Drogba has already declared that he loves to join Milan which will be a good start as a new family member of Il Grande Milan.

Oldman

27-06-2007, 09:54

A little correction to my previous post.
Actually what I intend to write is :

If now he prefer NOT to join Milan then I shall welcome Drogba more than if we re-sign Sheva or even Eto'o.

Sorry for the mistyping......

dejan.s

27-06-2007, 10:12

If Eto'o goes to Chelsea, then Sheva is surplus.
In my opinion Drogba is different type of player, and I don't think Chelsea will replace him with Eto'o.
Plus, Jose should be stupid if let Drogba go. He is quality player, with great strength and technique, and one of the best strikers in the world, despite poor 2006/07 season.

Ghost

27-06-2007, 10:13

On channel 4 it states we are more closer into letting RO go.

If we are to let him go wont this affect our relationship with R10?

Oldman

27-06-2007, 10:20

On channel 4 it states we are more closer into letting RO go.

If we are to let him go wont this affect our relationship with R10?

Question is...do we really need such a super high value R10 in the team? Would Milan become unbeatable if we have R10? It's all a theory because Berlusconi does like R10 like he loves Sheva.
IMHO, with the amount of money we have to pay for R10 we can buy at least 2 great names who can help reinforcing the entire team raher than having only 1 player who may also rui the harmony in the dressing room.

GilAttack [11]

27-06-2007, 10:28

eltomas2

27-06-2007, 10:46

']Drogba had a "poor" 2006/07 season? I better go check my eyes...
obviously he meant the 2005/2006 season, and it's true, people were booing him at one point from what I remember

zlatanov

27-06-2007, 10:55

dorgba had a great season last year and could have well won the EPL player of the year award - one of the few Chelski players who could go on vacation with their head held high, IMO.

This being said, despite not being one of the people who had lost their mind over Etoo, I would prefer the Barca player because I think he would be more suitable to Milan - should we play with Ronaldo and Kaka and another striker up front, which I think we will most ofthe time next year.

On an individual basis, I would go for Drogba over Etoo but since football is a team sport, I would pick Etoo, who is less individualistic/self-centered on the field that The Ivorian players.
Drogba is a player who often forgets that there are players around him and tries way too often to do things all by himself - when he gets the ball up front he would either try to drill his way thru the opisition defense using his strength and speed or will try a shot from long distance ... some impressive goals from those but most of the time it burdens the attack than helps it especially when players like Ronaldo and Kaka are around ... Drogba's more individualistic style will more often "isolate" Ronaldo and Kaka than complement them.

Etoo on the other hand, while not exactly a goal machine - contrary to what many people think given his goal records for Barca - has at the center of his game not only speed, which he uses very well to make his way thru defenses, but he is always looking to combine with the players around him and is less of an egoist on the field ... playing alongside Ronaldo and Kaka, he would make the attack much more dynamic and unpredictable, I believe, as he would be part of that attacking trio, he would complement them and create chances for them, just like they would for him, rather than isolate/limit their part in the game, which is what I think an individualist/"egoist" like Drogab would do.

So to put it in short - Drogba IMO has the characteristics to be a better lone striker supported by good attacking mids/wingers where his aereal prowess would be utilized best, while for a more mobile and combinative attacking line, I think Etoo would be a way better fit ... and btw he is no slouch in the air either.

Furthermore, I am not sure I can see JM letting Drogba go ... should CHelski get their hands on Etoo, Drogba will stay and Sheva will be let go in an instant.
Chelski's tactics revolve around Drogba and he easily one of the few irreplaceable players on the field for them ... to let him go, would mean for JM to deprive himself of a solution that has worked for him and hope that his replacement might work equally as good ... or turn out to be a flop - I am sure last summer will bring him some ideas about how a superstriker, proven elsewhere, can come and not "fit in" his new environment ... kind of doubt he would risk finding himself with two Shevas on the field and no Drogba to dig the team out.

EDIT: and last but not least, Etoo is about 3 years younger than Drogba ... considering that both players will be quite expensive - don't see CHelski letting Drogba go for less than 30 mil, while Etoo would probably cost 35-40 mil - the age difference is a very important factor when it comes to making such "big" investments

MOOD

27-06-2007, 11:02

i would prefer drogba than eto

Sleep

27-06-2007, 11:31

I prefer GILARDINO to Eto'o or Drogba. Drogba has just had a good season and he becomes so hot, but remember what Gilardino did. Apart from Pato, I don't want us to buy any other striker.

Graeme C

27-06-2007, 11:45

i prefer sheva and gila to drogba, hes just a slightly better overated Borriello.

Stezagud

27-06-2007, 11:47

Drogba will not be allowed to leave which is a shame i feel he would enhance Kaka even further if they had the chance to play together.

I would be very happy if Milan were to sign either of them to be honest, Etoo is a world class player of a type Milandont have, Drogba whilst being older is such a tremendous allrounder that his age wouldnt really matter, and as a late developer he will be able to prolong his career anyway.

Drogba is a player who often forgets that there are players around him and tries way too often to do things all by himself - when he gets the ball up front he would either try to drill his way thru the opisition defense using his strength and speed or will try a shot from long distance ... some impressive goals from those but most of the time it burdens the attack than helps it especially when players like Ronaldo and Kaka are around ... Drogba's more individualistic style will more often "isolate" Ronaldo and Kaka than complement them.

I disagree with that part of your post Zlat, Drogba does a great deal of work on his own because of Chelsea's tactics, in their prefered formation he is a lone striker and the fact he carries such threat even on his own is one of the reasons Chelsea can afford to be so defensive minded. He has figured highly in the assists tables and Lampard especially has benefited from Drogba's hold up play.

Warro Bantan

27-06-2007, 12:01

We bought him before Zaccheroni, he was actually a Capello wish. I beg to differ...I thought we bought both Helveg and Bierhoff from Udinese when we got Zacc, who was coming off a good season with both players as coach of Udinese...but I could be wrong...:dontkn:

Graeme C

27-06-2007, 12:03

I beg to differ...I thought we bought both Helveg and Bierhoff from Udinese when we got Zacc, who was coming off a good season with both players as coach of Udinese...but I could be wrong...:dontkn:

i gota admit thats what i thought 2!

zlatanov

27-06-2007, 12:07

I disagree with that part of your post Zlat, Drogba does a great deal of work on his own because of Chelsea's tactics, in their prefered formation he is a lone striker and the fact he carries such threat even on his own is one of the reasons Chelsea can afford to be so defensive minded. He has figured highly in the assists tables and Lampard especially has benefited from Drogba's hold up play.
that I agree with ... but only when it comes to dealing with long balls - Drogba is real menace upfront - when he holds the oposition defence on his own, beats them to the high, long balls sent from midfield and then distributes the ball to the onrushing midfielders like Lampard ... which is probably the one effective way to play long-ball football.

Milan, however, doesn't practice this type of football very often, which for Chelski is more or less the only football they play.

What I said about Drogba, I meant in the situations where there aren't long balls to deal with but he'd rather have to make his way towards the goal, with the ball on the ground, i.e. when combining with you teammates is paramount ... this is when Drogba IMO relies on his strength and long shot a bit too often and this isolates his teammates from taking a more "combinative", more "imaginative" approach with patiently building the attack by opening spaces rather than trying to drill thru the defense and/or take some quite adventureous shots ...

it's in these situations that Drogba tends to rush things and seeks for the "quick" finale to the attack, which I guess is a consequence of him being afraid that if he holds the ball for too long, the defenders will regroup and close him down ... while this is true, rushing to finish the attack is not the only solution as it would be even better to simply hold the ball less and quickly combine with your teammates and by that I don't mean just pass them the ball when they are in a safe position so you can make a run and get the ball again (Drogba does that all the time) but create opportunities for them as well, which is the key to Barca's prowess in attack, or Milan's when we played with 2 strikers and Kaka behind them.
Drogba's passes to his teammates are often intended to be simple and he does it so that they could pass it back to him ... but that's not teamplay the way EToo or Sheva or even David Villa could do it for us.

drucurl

27-06-2007, 12:57

Torres has been declared as 'not essential' by athletico...that is huge....I hope Galliani reads goal.com :rotfl:

zlatanov

27-06-2007, 13:05

Torres has been declared as 'not essential' by athletico...that is huge....I hope Galliani reads goal.com :rotfl:
I take it yo don't want Torres at Milan ... I mean if a player is declared not essential by his club, kind of makes you wonder :)

Anyway, Abbiati is on a loan deal there so doubt it is part of any super-behind the screen moves by a pathetically inactive Galliani anyway ... and Pool seems to be front runners for El Nino ...
the guy is so good that I wouldn't want to meet Pool with him in the line up :nervous:

:diablo:

zlatanov

27-06-2007, 13:09

Milan will announce Etoo's arrival at the SS either on Tuesday or Wednesday next week ... remember that you heard it here first ;)

:D

Stezagud

27-06-2007, 13:17

that I agree with ... but only when it comes to dealing with long balls - Drogba is real menace upfront - when he holds the oposition defence on his own, beats them to the high, long balls sent from midfield and then distributes the ball to the onrushing midfielders like Lampard ... which is probably the one effective way to play long-ball football.

Milan, however, doesn't practice this type of football very often, which for Chelski is more or less the only football they play.

Thats true, Chelsea do overuse this tactic in big/european games because of Drogba, as i said before it gives them the perfect excuse to play defensive and keep most players behind the ball as they know they only need commit 3 to an attack and it has a great chance of success. They can play a more technical, passing style to exploit the packed defences of weaker teams that go to Stamford Bridge purely to defend, in those matches Drogba is a productive allround player, whilst still leading the line.

It is hard to predict exactly how Drogba would fit into Milans style as he has been so effective as a battering ram since his Marseille days that teams are happy for him to be the main man. I do think he has the technical ability to excel and his particular style may not always be pretty but it would certainly occupy defenders, they cant push out because he can outpace them, they cant drop deep because he has the skill and power to go through them, and if they double up on him it means they are forced to leave someone else free :cool: There were a lot of frustrating games in serie A last season where a guy like Drogba would have been invaluable.

Hasan Rossonero

27-06-2007, 13:26

Milan will announce Etoo's arrival at the SS either on Tuesday or Wednesday next week ... remember that you heard it here first ;)

:D

Ok you can't say that and not give your reasons. :D

A hunch?

Graeme C

27-06-2007, 13:28

i have a feeling it will be Torres and either Sheva or Eto.

Didnt Atlético owe us like £16 mill. Like i say, Torres isnt bad.. we could do alot worse.

Pato could be in there, but more for next season.

Tony29.

27-06-2007, 13:29

Milan will announce Etoo's arrival at the SS either on Tuesday or Wednesday next week ... remember that you heard it here first ;)

:D
Zlat, you're a tribalfootball
After hearing Gila to Juve and Suazo to Milan here first, by you, i'm having trouble taking you seriously
:diablo:

In other news folks...

Chelsea offered 18m euro to Lyon for Malouda
Simone Inzaghi will leave Lazio ( what a shame. Lazio is now chanceless in their CLQ)
Juve will offer money+Miccoli for Pepe, while Milito is very close
Fenerbahce offered money for RO

Warro Bantan

27-06-2007, 13:30

I think he read one of my previous posts Hasan...on this very thread...I will try to post a link to it, so you can see what the (3rd) best pundit on MM predicts!! :haha:

Click here (http://www.milanmania.com/forums/showthread.php?p=439262#post439262)to see the post in question.

Hasan Rossonero

27-06-2007, 13:37

ForeverMilan

27-06-2007, 13:48

Milan will announce Etoo's arrival at the SS either on Tuesday or Wednesday next week ... remember that you heard it here first ;)

:D
i hope u are right and however i read something on football sites,about milan would sign both torres and pato together since they say Leonardo is in brazil to sign pato then Milan got a first option on torres after abbiati's loan.

kastriot

27-06-2007, 14:02

Zlat thats a gutsy statement there, if true I think you can challenge Zeekay on the best pundit title...... :grinser:

mrki

27-06-2007, 14:10

Graeme C

27-06-2007, 14:11

We can do well with Torres also, aldough he didnt improve much in the last few seasons. He did have a good WC... well, I take anyone decent these days. Torres and PAto , both? As far as I "know" Galliani and Braida, it simply cant happen in Milan.

Leonardo is dealing for Pato, i dont think Braida and Galliani are.. news i just read is that Milan has invited patos family to Milan to discuss things.

Kaka1899

27-06-2007, 14:15

i hope u are right and however i read something on football sites,about milan would sign both torres and pato together since they say Leonardo is in brazil to sign pato then Milan got a first option on torres after abbiati's loan.

i would much rather have Torres and Pato instead of Eto'o. Eto'o seems to me that if he came to Milan he wouldnt care he wouldnt work for the team because he dont wanna be here on the other hand Torres and Pato would make sure they had a good go at it they would want to learn and try hard to win.

Graeme C

27-06-2007, 14:16

i would much rather have Torres and Pato instead of Eto'o. Eto'o seems to me that if he came to Milan he wouldnt care he wouldnt work for the team because he dont wanna be here on the other hand Torres and Pato would make sure they had a good go at it they would want to learn and try hard to win.

plus Torres is 23, and Pato is 17. Although Torres isnt a big goal scorer, in the world cup he proved he could live with the preasure. Oliviera hasnt shone in big games like that.

Plus there wages arent going to be as high as Etos either.. which is better for the club.

Kaka1899

27-06-2007, 14:21

plus Torres is 23, and Pato is 17. Although Torres isnt a big goal scorer, in the world cup he proved he could live with the preasure. Oliviera hasnt shone in big games like that.

Plus there wages arent going to be as high as Etos either.. which is better for the club.

exactly Greame Eto'o would cost alot to do not alot at least Pato and Torres would be eager to suceed and they wont cost as much and they will last longer with them been so young

btw the average squad age will plumit! :D

Tony29.

27-06-2007, 14:44

sorry, off topic...Zlat may be interested

Liverpool: preso portiere Mihaylov

20:09 del 27 giugno

Nikolay Mihaylov e' il nuovo portiere del Liverpool.
Il nazionale under 21 bulgaro ha firmato con i Reds un triennale lasciando così il Levski Sofia.

Liverpool bought young Bulgarian keeper Mihailov. Zlat sure does, and maybe some of you still remember Borislav Mihailov, the goalkeeper of Bulgarian 1994 WC generation.
He was one of the best goalkeepers i've seen in my life and it's such a shame he never made it with a great club. He played in Portugal , France and Reading in England, but never for a CL candidate or some other major team.

And now, his son signed for Liverpool. Maybe this boy is talented but from what i've seen against Werder in CL this year, he'll never be as good as his father. It's a shame someone like him to play for Liverpool, while the great Boris to be remembered only in Bulgaria and by some fanatics like myself

Btw, the new Pool keeper against Werder :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdOt8TqU4YU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGSpl3sWRcA

drucurl

27-06-2007, 14:47

I want Torres :5ok: AND Pato :eekani: all we need then is a cb & a lb

K77SH C

27-06-2007, 14:56

Torres has been around for few years now. What exactly has he achieved after breaking raul's youth team record. This guy is living off the same hype for a few years now and hasnt delivered anything.

Milan_Mad

27-06-2007, 15:09

It's liverpool who will get Torres not once this summer have we been linked to him and thank god for that

Nordahl

27-06-2007, 15:13

Well, I would take Torres and Pato over Eto'o without a single minute of hesitation.

Kaka1899

27-06-2007, 15:14

Well, I would take Torres and Pato over Eto'o without a single minute of hesitation.

i agree but for what reasons makes you say that?

K77SH C

27-06-2007, 15:15

Would anyone like to share what they actually see in Torres

hitmannq8

27-06-2007, 15:20

i see a very good lookin boy with a very nice hairstyle

Hasan, you have any idea where i can find cheap tickets for the U-20 WC final in toronto? I plan on coming. July 22 I believe yea?

Kaka1899

27-06-2007, 15:21

Would anyone like to share what they actually see in Torres

hes young, can handel pressure of big games , his wages would be less that Eto'o, he will atleast try and he would be more effective that RO, he could work well with any of the existing strikers we have and wont cost as much as Eto'o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbMBejGBiI8

and with finishing like that he cant go wrong

Nordahl

27-06-2007, 15:24

K77SH C

27-06-2007, 15:26

hes young, can handel pressure of big games , his wages would be less that Eto'o, he will atleast try and he would be more effective that RO, he could work well with any of the existing strikers we have and wont cost as much as Eto'o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbMBejGBiI8

and with finishing like that he cant go wrong

My nephew is also young and Pato is also younger
Whats the proof of him handling big games
Wages dont bother me, trophies do (Ibrahim Ba's wage is also less)
I would be more effective than RO
Most strikers won cost as much as Etoo

oh and Im thinking of making a youtube video of my goals :5ok:

Hasan Rossonero

27-06-2007, 15:28

Personally I don't want Torres. Eto'o or Tevez (notwithstanding the latter's Argentinean background in our sea of Brazilians) for me.

Hasan Rossonero

27-06-2007, 15:31

i see a very good lookin boy with a very nice hairstyle

Hasan, you have any idea where i can find cheap tickets for the U-20 WC final in toronto? I plan on coming. July 22 I believe yea?

Hey bro. You know I could have had two semi-final tickets, but unfortunately I was away that weekend. There was this guy at my work offering them up. They're gone now. :stupid:

I really don't know beyond that. He had them up on Ebay, so maybe someone has done the same?? Sorry dude.

K77SH C

27-06-2007, 15:31

Well, Pato is a really outstanding prospect, with enough potential to be a star like Kaká and Gaucho; and Torres may be not performing so well as Eto'o, but we cannot forget that Atlético de Madrid is not Barcelona also.

Iv been saying on this very forum that Milan should buy Etoo from his Majorca days. Athletico arent Barca, but neither were Majorca.

Etoo has devastating pace, he scores a crazy amount of goals season after season, he terrifies defenders and always scores against the big and best teams. ie his record against Real even when they were the mighty Real would remind you of Sheva against inter or juve. Remember how good he was against us and how poor Barca were without him.

There is, no comparison between Torres and Etoo.

Hasan Rossonero

27-06-2007, 15:32

Kaka1899

27-06-2007, 15:33

My nephew is also young and Pato is also younger
Whats the proof of him handling big games
Wages dont bother me, trophies do (Ibrahim Ba's wage is also less)
I would be more effective than RO
Most strikers won cost as much as Etoo

oh and Im thinking of making a youtube video of my goals :5ok:

yeah but i will put it this way to you would you rahter have
a striker that causes fights and team upset, dont want to play or be there and is takin huge wages every week or a striker that is young wants to play and win things dont cause fights and scores goals.

which would you pick?

and the proof of him handling big games is he scored in the world cup Ro was shaking at Coppa Italia against Roma

K77SH C

27-06-2007, 15:46

yeah but i will put it this way to you would you rahter have
a striker that causes fights and team upset, dont want to play or be there and is takin huge wages every week or a striker that is young wants to play and win things dont cause fights and scores goals.

which would you pick?

and the proof of him handling big games is he scored in the world cup Ro was shaking at Coppa Italia against Roma

Etoo doesnt want to play, where did you hear such a thing?
Huge wages, Im a fan not a shareholder.
You make out as if Etoo is old, by our standards he is yet to have his umbilical cord cut.
Torres scored 3 group stage goals against the daunting competition that is Ukraine and Tunisia. :zany: They beat $heva's boys 4-0 by the way.

Come on this guy has proved nothing, watch him in la liga. His team mates have a habbit of impressing more. And comparing him to RO, by no means makes him a better footballer.

**Edit - I grant you there are question marks over his behaviour. But not the same kind of problems as Cassano. The Milan management obviously feel he can adapt. I have no problem with players with a certain amount of attitude. Afterall the greatest player ever was Maradona. Obviously there are limits, but I believe Etoo is well within them.

K77SH C

27-06-2007, 15:49

You're quite sardonic man. :D I am with you on Torres, but Pato would be a good addition (at a reasonable price).

Pato is at least exciting, hes an unknown quantity. I cant say hes great or not. but Torres is destined to be another one of Benitez's striker errors.(Hopefully not ours)

mrki

27-06-2007, 15:50

In the end I dont really care who we get, its boring listening to old/new news every day. Torres, Pato, Drogba, Eto'o are all great players and our game will not depend on only the forward we buy. For next season we need to do this...
1. make sure we dont have so much injured players, and pray as they are all old as hell...
2.Again pray for Kaka' not to be seriously injued as without him we cant compete on highest level...
3. Make Ronaldo train through the summer like he never trained before!
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I would definately choose Eto'o, but if Barca doesnt wanna sell him, what can we do...
Lets just buy Pato or Torres ( who isnt a bad player, noone can say that..) and play the game. One midfielder also, please :)

Kaka1899

27-06-2007, 16:01

Etoo doesnt want to play, where did you hear such a thing?Huge wages, Im a fan not a shareholder.
You make out as if Etoo is old, by our standards he is yet to have his umbilical cord cut.
Torres scored 3 group stage goals against the daunting competition that is Ukraine and Tunisia. :zany: They beat $heva's boys 4-0 by the way.

Come on this guy has proved nothing, watch him in la liga. His team mates have a habbit of impressing more. And comparing him to RO, by no means makes him a better footballer.

**Edit - I grant you there are question marks over his behaviour. But not the same kind of problems as Cassano. The Milan management obviously feel he can adapt. I have no problem with players with a certain amount of attitude. Afterall the greatest player ever was Maradona. Obviously there are limits, but I believe Etoo is well within them.

im just makin the point that with Eto'o been so adamant he dont wanna play for us maybe we should listen because if he aint happy hes gonna cause trouble i feel by disrupting training sessions or not even turning up storming off when he aint picked for the team etc

zlatanov

27-06-2007, 16:13

Zlat thats a gutsy statement there, if true I think you can challenge Zeekay on the best pundit title...... :grinser:
sorry kastriot but those are heighst I could never dream of topping :(
:diablo:
Ok you can't say that and not give your reasons. :D

A hunch?
As a former member used to say when he wanted attention by passing himself for an insider - don't ask me how I know this because I can't say :rolleyes:
:grinser:
Zlat, you're a tribalfootball
After hearing Gila to Juve and Suazo to Milan here first, by you, i'm having trouble taking you seriously
:diablo:

the summer aint over yet, is it ... I know it would be dif for you but you have to be more patient, you Gila-lover :diablo:
i would much rather have Torres and Pato instead of Eto'o. Eto'o seems to me that if he came to Milan he wouldnt care he wouldnt work for the team because he dont wanna be here on the other hand Torres and Pato would make sure they had a good go at it they would want to learn and try hard to win.
and wouldn't you rather have Etoo AND Pato ... guys, Pato is a long term investment but he is not ready to be Milan's top striker now and won't be ready for at least another 2-3 years ... this is Milan we are talking about, not Internacional or Sampdoria ... pressure and expectations here are higher than anywhere else and Milan are too experienced with this to let a teenager get burned out before his career even began.
So, getting Pato would not necessarily mean that we won't get Etoo or the other way around as Milanare looking for an established top-striker NOW.

Also, Torres is no less expensive than Etoo - both would cost around 35 mil +/- peanuts, so the chances of scrapping Pato if we get Etoo are the same as if we get Torres ... and forget those imaginary debts Atletico supposedly owes us ... even if the exist, they would hardly agree to release their top player - and golden hen too - for close to nothing if that debt is considered.
if it was so easy, Torres would have been a Milan player for 1-2 season already ... and he isn't because the management didn't wanna take the risk and dish out 35 mil on a load of hype.

As for Torres, well I am sure you know already I am with Kash on that one - let him be anonymous in the EPL ... good luck to benitez with that one.