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Tony29.
12-11-2006, 12:48
Zz']@ Tony29...

yeah Italy won the WC without a prolific striker/goal-scorer... but you must remember that they have scored at least a goal per match... and do not concede like Milan has been lately...
Ehh, i wasn't trying to compare Italy 2006 with this Milan, i ain't crazy :)
I was just pointing out that these lists ( like in the list above ) don't usually give the real picture. All 11 goals Milan scored so far could have been scored by Inzaghi, he would have been on top of the goal scorers list, but Milan would have been at 16th place again !
Or 15 different players could have scored 2 goals each, Milan would have been in top 5, but none of them would have been in top 32 on the goalscorers list.

Strikers in Milan are to be blamed for the inefficiency ( all of them with only 1 goal on 11 matches, and Pippo and Olieveira are on a 10 matches goalless run ). They are guilty for not scoring of course, but they're just as guilty as the midfielders are...the midfielders who don't provide them enough chances, and who mostly shot from 25 metres.
Gila, Oli and Pippo are guilty for not scoring - Pirlo and Seedorf are guilty for not giving them usefull balls.

zZ[-_-]Zz
12-11-2006, 13:36
@ Tony29...

ok... i get your point about the goal-scorer issue...

as for the discussion about the midfielders & strikers... the midfielders do provide for the strikers... except that they don't convert them... look at Totti for example... few chances but he took them... and that is what is makin' the difference... the ability to convert what little chances you get...

i remember a Juve game very long ago... when Baggio was with them... Juve was dominatin' the match so much it is hard to believe the scoreline... i think they lost 3-0 (or somewhere in that region) in the end... but they were creatin' chances after another... whereas the other team (Lazio i think) only had a few chances on the counter & they converted them... the other thing i can remember is that Rampulla (spellin'?) was the GK for Juve in that match... and Baggio had a brilliant attempt at goal from the byline... swervin' the ball with his outstep that was headin' for goal until a defender cleared the line... the GK was fooled into believin' Baggio made a cross & came out to catch it only to watch the ball spin goalwards...

kris
13-11-2006, 05:15
They are guilty for not scoring of course, but they're just as guilty as the midfielders are...the midfielders who don't provide them enough chances, and who mostly shot from 25 metres.
Gila, Oli and Pippo are guilty for not scoring - Pirlo and Seedorf are guilty for not giving them usefull balls.

I'll be saying they do get enough chances, but don't bury them. The amount of open chances wasted by our strikers is mindnumbing. Inzaghi after his early goals is probably the biggest misshot.

rosoneri_11
13-11-2006, 05:38
From:http://www.tribalfootball.com/article.php?id=18072


Lazio rival AC Milan for CSKA winger Dudu
By Svilen Rusev - November 13, 2006

Lazio are aiming to beat AC Milan for CSKA Moscow's Brazilian winger Dudu.
Lazio coach Delio Rossi is an admirer of Dudu and is confident the youngster can be a regular starter in his line-up. Unlike Milan, Lazio also have room in their squad for another non-EU player, which could give them an edge when the winter market opens in January.

kris
13-11-2006, 08:15
Unlike Milan, Lazio also have room in their squad for another non-EU player, which could give them an edge when the winter market opens in January.

Tribal football did it again. Only limit on non-eu players is that a Italian team can only buy one every year. Clearly that is not a problem as for more future plans to maybe buy one in the summer.

ACMILAN1983
13-11-2006, 08:19
From:http://www.tribalfootball.com/article.php?id=18072


Lazio rival AC Milan for CSKA winger Dudu
By Svilen Rusev - November 13, 2006

Lazio are aiming to beat AC Milan for CSKA Moscow's Brazilian winger Dudu.
Lazio coach Delio Rossi is an admirer of Dudu and is confident the youngster can be a regular starter in his line-up. Unlike Milan, Lazio also have room in their squad for another non-EU player, which could give them an edge when the winter market opens in January.

The fact that tribal call him a winger shows the credibility of their football knowledge.

rosoneri_11
13-11-2006, 09:12
The fact that tribal call him a winger shows the credibility of their football knowledge.




:ilol: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :ilol:


They dont even know how to lie someone!

vlado
13-11-2006, 13:28
Roma captain Francesco Totti is being linked with a sensational move to AC Milan in January.
Less than 24 hours after putting Milan to the sword, Totti was reportedly spotted visiting Milanello yesterday morning.

Last night, Milan vice-president Adriano Galliani again spoke of rewarding the fans with a big January signing: "The fans kept supporting the team, even when it was two goals down.

"It cannot be Ronaldinho, but for sure our tifosi deserve a great reward. If we can give the tifosi a big present, we will do it."

Graeme C
13-11-2006, 13:31
Let me guess, a Tribal rumour?

vlado
13-11-2006, 13:41
I read an article online about Drogba. They said that Drogba was in the Italian restourant and was talking with Galliani, and they said in that article that Sheva is not going back...

rosoneri_11
13-11-2006, 14:56
Thats stupid rumour!

Stitch
13-11-2006, 15:24
LOL haha, never gonna happen.

Jeff
13-11-2006, 16:08
UI think this rumor is "silly" enough to put it under rumor thread.

Jim_UK
13-11-2006, 16:39
I don't see any hope of getting Totti. Though i would like to see him here.

Tony29.
13-11-2006, 17:22
Dunno if some of you knows the source, but on juventus forums there is smthg about Milan loaning Trezeguet from Juve this January.

Here's the text in Italian, but i don't know the source :
"La crisi del Milan porterà quasi certamente al divorzio da Ancelotti. I candidati alla panchina rossonera sono Lippi, Rijkaard, Tassotti e Spalletti.
Intanto la società tornerà sul mercato a gennaio: chiesto alla Juventus il prestito di Trezeguet e si riparla di Oddo."

I don't know how much this rumour is connected to Juve's offer for David Villa ( which won't happen anyway. Juve offered 8 M + Zalayeta :haha:

I won't mind Trez beeing loaned to Milan for the second part of the season. Juve will qualify for A even without him, Milan desperately needs someone like Trez, and it may be a return favour for Abbiatti...not to mention how it will improve the relationship between the 2 clubs, which must happen in order to fight more succesfully against Moratti, Rossi and co.

mrki
13-11-2006, 17:27
fine solution if you ask me. We would get 2 excellent players like Oddo and Trezeguet that can playin CL also, and then later on Trezeguet can simply stay in Milanello after he sees the wonder land of ac Milan :) Then we can sell oliveira who simply sucks and buy a fast midfielder. And Barzagli, Zambrotta and Lippi......and rename to Juve:)

Jim_UK
13-11-2006, 17:31
that's certainly one theory why Trezeguet might come Tony.

I must admit when i saw the rumour of Zalayeta + £5.7 million for Villa i nearly wet myself with laughter :delol:

Especially as Valencia value the guy at about £18 million ... it was just ludicrous, but very funny :D

Tony29.
13-11-2006, 17:40
I must admit when i saw the rumour of Zalayeta + £5.7 million for Villa i nearly wet myself with laughter :delol:

The funniest thing is it wasn't a rumour but a real offer which Valencia immediately rejected. But Juve officials are still there negotiating, so we can expect a lot more speculations about Trezeguet's future !

Jim_UK
13-11-2006, 17:52
it would just be the icing on the cake if you somehow get david villa or a striker of his quality, even though you are in Serie B .... especially if we end up with Iaquinta (no offence to the guy) :stress:

hitmannq8
14-11-2006, 03:37
Calciomercato reports there has been a bust-up during training between Gourcuff and Bonera. Gourcuff is seeking a dream return back to France as early as January but Galliani will not allow it. Milan are being linked to Oddo and Iaquinta again.


This is what it says. I think its pure speculation, but if it is true that Bonera is causing problems, he can get out of Milan because he is not needed and not good enough to stay anyway.

kris
14-11-2006, 04:04
Dunno if some of you knows the source, but on juventus forums there is smthg about Milan loaning Trezeguet from Juve this January.


I also find this as a possible move. The thing is that it benefit both clubs... if Trez manage to stay fit. Trezeguet get to play in Serie A and europe, while Milan get that lethal scorer. I find that to be good for Juve too as I can't see how he would benefit from a whole serie B season. Juve for sure will promote anyway.

Karim
14-11-2006, 05:33
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=167961
Milan shortlists 4 strikers?

mrki
14-11-2006, 05:59
Calciomercato says Ribery is on his way to Italy. He is just the kind of midfielder we need. Fast and skilfull. Perfect replacement for seedorf. Please, please, buy this guy......

About Higuani, im not sure he is that good people, I've seen few games and he is ok forward, but not as good as they make it. On the other hand, Gago is a SUPER player.

Stitch
14-11-2006, 07:35
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=167961
Milan shortlists 4 strikers?

i ust read the article, what a bull. If it said "Reggina shortlists 4 strikers", or "Ascoli shortlists 4 strikers" it might be ok. These players don't deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as Milan!

I really can't believe that, where's the money? :fero: Why is Berlu being so cheap? :p146:

rosoneri_11
14-11-2006, 09:11
Calciomercato says Ribery is on his way to Italy. He is just the kind of midfielder we need. Fast and skilfull. Perfect replacement for seedorf. Please, please, buy this guy......




Ribery????Thats the best news, if there are true!
Do you had any other link about him coming to us?

mrki
14-11-2006, 09:56
no sorry, but except for Inter, who else in there to buy him? If we really dont buy anything(anyone) good enough to IMPROVE our squad, then we are really doing something extremly stupid.

Karim
14-11-2006, 10:46
no sorry, but except for Inter, who else in there to buy him?
:rolleyes:

Tony29.
14-11-2006, 10:57
no sorry, but except for Inter, who else in there to buy him? . Well, Deschamps did promise to bring him to Juve. You know the story about Deschamps having strong connections with Marselle, where he's a living legend ( captained the CL winning team in 1993), and the story about him beeing Ribery's idol. And after all, Ribery is French, and Juve was the place where all the best French players went in last 10 years.
But at this point i find it unbelievable for Juve to buy such a player. Maybe in 2-3 years, when Juve will consolidate and become a great club again, maybe then Juve will buy star players, but Ribery comming to Juve next season.....i doubt, eventhough Deschamps is promising that !

Warro Bantan
14-11-2006, 10:59
Ribery doesnt seem to know where his boot laces are, much less how to get a transfer from his club..one minute he has to leave, the next he is with them for life...needs to make up his mind, or they for him.

Either way, he is a good player, and one that could be of some use to us, especially as a sub for Kaka....not saying he is anywhere near our beloved Brazilian, but he would be a perfect replacement for him.

Warro Bantan
14-11-2006, 11:01
So, latest from Sky Sports (http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=428813&CPID=23&clid=186&lid=2&title=Real+close+on+Argentine+coup) indicates that Braida has returned with no Gago, no Higuian (or however the dude spells his name)...but some unheard of defender...with no European passport...

Is it time to replace Braida? Or is it that Milan is not the automatic first choice we used to be for young talent? Or is it that Berlu just isnt being competitive in terms of compensation packages?

What is it? Why cant we get good talent like we used to?

One theory could be that Real Madrid, Barca, Chelski, Man U, Arsenal, Inter :yuck:and to some extend Lyon and Bayern are all chasing a small pool of recognised talent in Argentina and Brazil, all offering similar packages, all of these are excellent clubs (well, except for Inter of course), and as such, represents the dilemma...too many fishermen and not enough fish?

I really doubt this...it seems that we (ie Milan) are becoming very risk averse, and if the player hasnt been called up by a world football power, or his name isnt on everyone´s lips...then we dont go for them.

There are too many clubs that rival ours now, and we need to start differentiating ourselves, and based on what obtains, we need to simply spend more...or search harder for "undiscovered" talent.

_MaJi_tz
14-11-2006, 12:06
So, latest from Sky Sports (http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=428813&CPID=23&clid=186&lid=2&title=Real+close+on+Argentine+coup) indicates that Braida has returned with no Gago, no Higuian (or however the dude spells his name)...but some unheard of defender...with no European passport...

Is it time to replace Braida? Or is it that Milan is not the automatic first choice we used to be for young talent? Or is it that Berlu just isnt being competitive in terms of compensation packages?

What is it? Why cant we get good talent like we used to?

One theory could be that Real Madrid, Barca, Chelski, Man U, Arsenal, Inter :yuck:and to some extend Lyon and Bayern are all chasing a small pool of recognised talent in Argentina and Brazil, all offering similar packages, all of these are excellent clubs (well, except for Inter of course), and as such, represents the dilemma...too many fishermen and not enough fish?

I really doubt this...it seems that we (ie Milan) are becoming very risk averse, and if the player hasnt been called up by a world football power, or his name isnt on everyone´s lips...then we dont go for them.

There are too many clubs that rival ours now, and we need to start differentiating ourselves, and based on what obtains, we need to simply spend more...or search harder for "undiscovered" talent.


dude this is spanish news from As just wait to see when braida came in milan?!

Brasileiro
14-11-2006, 12:08
So, latest from Sky Sports (http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=428813&CPID=23&clid=186&lid=2&title=Real+close+on+Argentine+coup) indicates that Braida has returned with no Gago, no Higuian (or however the dude spells his name)...but some unheard of defender...with no European passport...

Is it time to replace Braida? Or is it that Milan is not the automatic first choice we used to be for young talent? Or is it that Berlu just isnt being competitive in terms of compensation packages?

What is it? Why cant we get good talent like we used to?

One theory could be that Real Madrid, Barca, Chelski, Man U, Arsenal, Inter :yuck:and to some extend Lyon and Bayern are all chasing a small pool of recognised talent in Argentina and Brazil, all offering similar packages, all of these are excellent clubs (well, except for Inter of course), and as such, represents the dilemma...too many fishermen and not enough fish?

I really doubt this...it seems that we (ie Milan) are becoming very risk averse, and if the player hasnt been called up by a world football power, or his name isnt on everyone´s lips...then we dont go for them.

There are too many clubs that rival ours now, and we need to start differentiating ourselves, and based on what obtains, we need to simply spend more...or search harder for "undiscovered" talent.
Warro, at least here in Brazil, Milan is the only team(in Italy) with the same appeal of Real Madrid or Barça. But the truth is that we are very lazy in our transference police. We are becoming the Real Madrid of the last years of Florentino Perez. We lose Marcelo, Gago and Higuain(IMO a little overrated)?? Yes...But at the same time, 2 amazing talent like Lucas Leiva(future EU-player), or Arouca, w/ the same potential(and more cheap) of Gago, and also ready to play in our Team, are forgotten by Braida here in Brazil...for players like Fabão...
Man, 2 names that I wanted to see in the front of ours transference politics, are Sandro Rosell(ex- Barça vice president), or Monchi of Sevilla. These guys have knowlege, are quick, and have the respect of players...but I really doubt that these 2 spaniards will be hired by Berlusconi.

Warro Bantan
14-11-2006, 12:12
Brasileiro, I concur...Berlu (and rightly so IMO) will only chose Italian scouts...after all, we are an Italian team...but does anyone know if Leonardo went with Braida? I mean, isnt Leo a "transfer advisor" or something of the sort?

Whats ur opinion of Leo Brasileiro? Do u think he has a good enough eye for talent? Or is it that Braida overrides his choices?

Brasileiro
14-11-2006, 13:08
Brasileiro, I concur...Berlu (and rightly so IMO) will only chose Italian scouts...after all, we are an Italian team...but does anyone know if Leonardo went with Braida? I mean, isnt Leo a "transfer advisor" or something of the sort?

Whats ur opinion of Leo Brasileiro? Do u think he has a good enough eye for talent? Or is it that Braida overrides his choices?
I understand...and we lost Baldini(Italian), that is the guy is ahead of these new Real Madrid transference politics.

Regarding your second question. Yes, I think that Leo has very good eyes for new talents. At least by his comentes on TV. But I really doubt that Leo has a important role in our Transf. Politics. IMO Leo was important for Braida because it has very good relationships w/ São Paulo directors(in kaká transference). But, since Leo is a VERY low profile guy, I hope that he´s working in the search of new talentos. But it´s only a hope :(

mrki
14-11-2006, 15:19
It seems we are operating in a really naive way. ( if thats possible for people like Berlusconi and Galliani...I think not). But it does looks that way right now....Real Madrid is negotiating terms with players before they make enquiry ( they even did it with Kaka' and we are just standing still..:( ). When the offers arrive, Real only needs to pay a average price as players demend to be transfered there. Milan is doing fools out of themselves as we cant takeover a single player we want/need. Ibra, Oddo, Gago...... something is wrong, and I hope we will work it out in the end.

Graeme C
14-11-2006, 16:01
just another example of us being stupidly tight, we wont go for these players, and have to go for cheaper options.. What has happened the last 5 years? Braida has to go, if this is the case.. Look at the summer window, o disaster, and if he cant get deals done why the hell is he working for us?

The more and more players we lose out on, the more weaker we become..

Graeme C
14-11-2006, 16:08
So, latest from Sky Sports (http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=428813&CPID=23&clid=186&lid=2&title=Real+close+on+Argentine+coup) indicates that Braida has returned with no Gago, no Higuian (or however the dude spells his name)...but some unheard of defender...with no European passport...



Is it me or does that sound sooooo stupid.. what are they doing.. I really think they have lost it.... Next they will be buying 1 legged football players from iceland.... or something ridiculous like that...


i thought the point of going was to get deals done, not go on a stupid holiday.. makes me want to scream!!!

humanTORCH
14-11-2006, 20:13
Calm down now......doesn't mean if u go for a shopping spree u expect to get something that u want. If he believe that there are no potential replacement, then we better look somewhere else.
Don't expect to buy a crap players just for the sake of bring in new players.
We are Milan......our criteria of getting good players is harder than Real or inter :stuckup:

Brasileiro
14-11-2006, 20:58
Calm down now......doesn't mean if u go for a shopping spree u expect to get something that u want. If he believe that there are no potential replacement, then we better look somewhere else.
Don't expect to buy a crap players just for the sake of bring in new players.
We are Milan......our criteria of getting good players is harder than Real or inter :stuckup:
humanTORCH, some years ago, I would agree with you. But not right now. I think that Higuain is a project. But Gago(for what I read) and Marcelo(I saw since it was 16yo) aren´t crap players.

To be fair with the R. Madrid. They were very bad in the hour of scout players in the near past. But since Mijatovic become the GM, the things are diferent there. Mijatovic was wise, hired Franco Baldini(ex- Roma), and this guy is doing a amazing jog for RM. The truth is(no matter how hard it hurts in the milanistas hearts), we are making a shameful job in the transference market today.

Just another example: We send Braida(late) to S. America to scout players, when Baldini already had a pre-agreement w/ players made 2 months behind...and in accordance with what I read, the Braida travel to SA is reason of joke, because how late it cames to SA :(

Our criteria of getting good players WAS harder...

Brasileiro
14-11-2006, 21:16
I take this from Milan board in Xtratime. So, If the guy that posted there is member of MM, I apologize for to post here.
The member is: peive 17, and take a look at how ugly can be our situation...is in Italian but with Babel Fish you can have a glimpse.

This is posted by a poster called Walter in DM. This quy is the closest to a reliable source that I have found on the net. For instance he gave the news about Bonera a week before the news sites. He is also the one that first said that Braidas real target for Cafus replacement is Ilsinho of Sao Paolo a week ago. This is what he has to say about Braidas trip to SA:

Allora stanno venendo fuori delle storielle simpatiche riguardanti Braida e la societá nel loro peregrinare tra Brasile ed Argentina. Intanto l´obiettivo numero uno, quello piú reale e realistico era Ilsinho, del quale avevo giá parlato la settimana scorsa, anche se Cattani e ed i giornali ne hanno fatto cenno solo ieri. La cosa buffa é che in societá fossero convinti della sua cittadinanza portoghese. Quasi nel mettere nero su bianco, hanno scoperto che la certa cittadinanza portoghese era solo presunta, frutto della loro malata fantasia e della malainformazione. Quindi niente Ilsinho...
Ma il bello é accaduto in Argentina, dove hanno scoperto con due mesi di ritardo che i loro obbiettivi erano in pratica giá prenotati da Barca e Real. Poi sono tornati di nuovo in Brasile per seguire Lucas, ed anche lí ci hanno trovato il padrone. 5M di euro non bastavano piú, perché un´altra societá italiana aveva fatto pervenire un´offerta di 6. Indovinate un po´chi? Se avessero chiuso tre o quattro giorni prima avrebbero potuto prenderlo a quella cifra. Adesso si scatenerá un´asta con l´Inter ed indovinate cosa fará Galliani? Esattamente quello che fece con Ibrahimovic. Il posto per questa gente é il gerontocomio. E nei casi piú gravi, vedi Berlusconi, il padiglione di un manicomio dotato di camicia di forza e letti con stringhe. Ridicoli!

I dont know if I should laugh or .....
Forza Milan
The part of Argentine, and of Lucas Leiva(and another Italian team):dconf: shows how much clueless(and despaired) is Baida travels to SA...

joumasepoes
14-11-2006, 23:56
Is it me or does that sound sooooo stupid.. what are they doing.. I really think they have lost it.... Next they will be buying 1 legged football players from iceland.... or something ridiculous like that...


i thought the point of going was to get deals done, not go on a stupid holiday.. makes me want to scream!!!
They would of been better off scouting in space

nefremo
15-11-2006, 00:40
I don't know why our team is always so misterious. They never confirm any interest in any player, never let us know what's going on.

One thing we must understand though is that we are in a messed up situation. If Carlo leaves at the end of the season, that might also mean the change of formation, which automatically means that we need players to fit the next coach's needs. I know that a good coach will adapt his tactics so they fit the players players available, but some of the coaches push the team to buy players so they can fit in his formation. So maybe that's why we look like we dont even know what we want at the moment.

First it seems like we are saving everything for Ronaldinho, then they promise a big signing in January, then they send Braida to sign a talent but he does nothing and I am sure not because the players don't want to come to Milan, but because Milan is holding back either on the offers or they can't make up their mind. Are we only looking for short term help (Jan-May) or are we looking for something for next season as well?

Very very confusing situation right now.

Jeff
15-11-2006, 00:50
I don't know why our team is always so misterious. They never confirm any interest in any player, never let us know what's going on.



If you leak the information, then you are no longer in an advantageous situation. I mean, have you (plural) even heard of Kaka` that well and, if you do, to what extent are you (plural) excited about the transfer?

And, what's the outcome :)?

Jim_UK
15-11-2006, 03:51
Surely now that Real have brain washed Gago & Higuain, the time to buy other possible talents out there is right now when Real are busy completing deals. Kerlon, Lucas, Arouca are there, waiting to be snapped up. So what's Braida waiting for? We are far too hesitant in the market and when dealing with clubs, how many times does he need to see someone in action to make a deal? As soon as he was off the plane he should have gone straight to see agents of these guys and started negotiations, not swaning around for a few weeks watching games. Even in his interviews he doesn't come across like he tried very hard. No mention of how long he endeavoured in negotiations, more like he asked them if they wanted to join Real, they said yes and he gave up.

Surely Humantorch you can see that this was an opportunity to get some of the better players of tomorrow. So you go out there WITH the intention of bringing one of them back. None of these players were crap and we missed out because of inept people doing the negotiations. Why weren't negotiations started when they were out looking at Sobis? Why did Braida only go out there when it seemed apparent that Madrid were closing in on these players? To me this trip was an act of desperation, seems like we were once again 2 steps behind them and we were hoping to pick up some of their leftovers.


Even if a player wanted to come to Milan these days, i don't have much faith in Braida's ability to secure a transfer.

dejan.s
15-11-2006, 06:47
Definitely Milan's transfer policy is wrong. For some years players go to other clubs rather then Milan, even when they know they’re going in wrong direction. First it was Juve, now Inter. I can’t accept they didn’t want to play for Milan. I think Milan’s management fails to react promptly.
And, Milan spend incredible amount of money on young players and trainers, and still no one is promoted to first team.
So, what is wrong? Bad scouting or bad training?!
Or, maybe it is time for change in the management?!
I think, the time has come.

Graeme C
15-11-2006, 07:41
Even if a player wanted to come to Milan these days, i don't have much faith in Braida's ability to secure a transfer.


Me 2, that is a major concern.. Braida must be like Gil from Simpsons when they are neogating deals... It is a joke, i mean anyone else in the world can lose there job if they dont perform.. it doesnt seem to apply to our management...

Being linked to a player, and going after a player is one thing.. Signing a player is another...

ACMILAN1983
15-11-2006, 08:47
I can sort of guess why we've hesitated on this. Firstly, we're pretty limited as to who we can get, due to EU rules in Serie A. Now, we need to desperately address areas we're looking weak in, which RB is definately a key area (hence I'm not surprised we're linked with Ilsinho). Our hands are tied before we even start looking.

Next of all, it's pointless to buy a ton a young talent who may or may not succeed with us. We tried similar things when the classic generation was moving on, and it wasn't particularly successful. Therefore, rather than buying all of South America, we need to very carefully weed out the best for us. This means finding players who are not only talented, meeting our requirements technically, fitting the positions we require and fitting into Italian culture and the club.

kris
15-11-2006, 08:51
Me 2, that is a major concern.. Braida must be like Gil from Simpsons when they are neogating deals... It is a joke, i mean anyone else in the world can lose there job if they dont perform.. it doesnt seem to apply to our management...

Yeah, we really never had any good players in Milan. they are a constant failure.

mrki
15-11-2006, 10:36
Braida and Galliani know they job really well. Plus there are Leonardo and Cesare Maldini to help out. What we need to is to act FASTER and with more money....simply.

nefremo
15-11-2006, 11:02
Well one thing is that all these players (Gago,Higuain....) were all over the papers with Real and we assumed that Braida is gonna go for one of them. Where in reality, I think he was probably going over there for someone else (ex:Ilsinho). He might have asked around about Gago's, Higuain's, Marcelo's availability and their willingness to come to Milan, but I think he was going over there for totally different players then these.

mrki
15-11-2006, 11:31
maybe, but are we going to solve our problems in attack with this guy? I dont think so....

ramo23
15-11-2006, 12:07
I have been asking myself some questions over the last few days and even debating it with my brother as to why we seem incompetent in the transfer market. I believe that Berlusconi does care for Milan, but I truly believe that he uses Milan as a marketing and PR ploy, and brings on people with that same mindset. After the 2005 loss to Liverpool, we heard he was going to buy Gerrard and God knows who else. Last year, it was the same stuff, which was accentuated after Sheva's departure. Galliani and Braida subscribe to the same way of thinking. Fiorentina was initially banished to B but Della Valle bought Pazzani, Montolivo, Mutu, Blasi, and Liverani. Juve in B kept a good number of its core players and added Bojinov and Boumsong (not world class, but shows willingness to come back to A). We didn't do anything, yet it was I believe Aug 2nd that UEFA allowed us to partake in champions, so we had 3-4 weeks to buy players. We then used the excuse of needing to qualify to buy world class players, instead of getting oddo, a central d, another mid, and 2 fwds. We could have gotten all that for 40 mill euros. Remember after we qualified, Galliani very publicly said that he and Braida were going to Madrid to get Ronaldo. I view this as a marketing ploy. Why say anything, just go and do it. They didn't say anything before getting seedorf, pirlo, kaka, nesta, and sheva. It was done with stealth precision. Recently, Galliani again goes out in the media to say that Braida will be in South America for 2 weeks to look at players. Wouldn't this raise suspicion with other teams to wrap up deals with players??? Every day we hear a new name. I think we may have been interested in Gago and Marcelo, but it was too late. Real already had them wrapped up. It was the same with Diarra of Lyon this summer. We made a half-ass effort to get him, knowing full well that he was going to real. Go out there and scout players, identify who can be good, and take the risk and buy them. Fans are not stupid, they will turn on management if they keep on crying wolf. Ancelotti may or may not be at fault, but consider that he is the 3rd most successful coach behind Sacchi and Capello. Just look at who is at his disposal right now. Not bad players by any stretch of the imagination, but not a squad ready to compete in europe and domestically.

Graeme C
15-11-2006, 15:35
Yeah, we really never had any good players in Milan. they are a constant failure.

Kris you tease ;) they havent been a constant failure...im only talking about the last 3 years of the Ancelloti era... par exemple...Look at the few seasons

Good signings

Kaka- the deal went through after Real showed interest, Leonardo himself was involved in bringing him to Milan.. i doubt braida could have done it alone

Gilardino- the deal only went through because we told parma that we wouldnt sign him after the deadline.. because time was running out..

Stam- we should have got him earlier? good signing...

Gourcuff- Young, promising.. should start more really...

OK signings but didnt get trusted from Ancelloti

Vogels- a freebie but a not bad freebie..
Dhorasoo- another freebie .... not a bad player, but made me wonder where he fitted in the side?
Bonera - we paided peanuts, being played in the wrong position. rumours of him going to Fiorentina.. if we do let him go, we should try and put him into a deal for Barzagli.....

Bad signings

Oliviera - just what we didnt need, we needed a player to come in quick, settle and start to score goals, we lost a good backup for pirlo which we really need at the moment... Not enough thought was put into the transfer... Everyone cant deny the only reason we got him was to get a go at Ronaldinho, unless he starts scoring Belusconi's dream is going to cost us big time

Vieri - Bad signing, finished player.. Well he scored more than Oliviera has.. another freebie
Amoruso- what were they doing? squad player, not even a starter...a player we paid peanuts for..
Favalli- another one of the freebies

Nice thread Ramos23, im glad someone else is on the same line... Im worried now that because we need so many players in the summer, our management is going to make a big hash of it, and start running arround like a headless chickens.

ramo23
15-11-2006, 18:48
we have a core that we should keep and that includes: Kaka, Pirlo, Gourcuff, Gattuso, Nesta, Seedorf, Gila, and Kaladze. Oliveira didn't have a bad game against roma and I think with time, he can be valuable, but at Milan, he should be 3rd or 4th fwd. Now don't get me wrong, this core is far from perfect, Gattuso is running out of gas, Nesta seems disinterested, Pirlo will always be a defensive liability, etc.. but these are players that can still be useful and good. Maldini and Costacurta are 2 giants and 2 legends and it's great that they are still there at their age, but as commendable as it is, it is also a hindrance because we can't kick them out, obviously for sentimental reasons. Having said that, we need 2-3 players in January, and another 3-4 solid ones come summer. We need to rebuild gradually but swiftly. It's the only way that will not waste time. we need to be realistic as to the players we have and not mount the fake bravado. Since Pirlo is still young (27), and he has talent, maybe we need to change the formation to a 3-5-2 or 3-4-1-2, and have 3 horses in the back, along with a defensive mid playing right next to pirlo, allowing him to mainly focus on offense. With a 3 man defence the width would not come from the full-backs but from the wingers, so we could then get a ribery or even a robben to add pace and width. I would recommend you guys to check out www.soccernet.com. They have a good article about our problems right now. We could bring in the best defenders in the world, but we would still have defensive problems because pirlo is weak at tracking back and pressing. If he is to stay in the team, then in a way, we need to build around him, not because he's the best (Kaka is) but because otherwise, our problems will ressurface more often than we would care to deal with.

Jim_UK
15-11-2006, 18:49
The softly softly approach isn't the best process all the time Dev. Looking at players carefully and checking them out time and time again works sometimes, but when you are under pressure you need to act faster.

I really wonder how much Ronaldinho has changed from his days of playing Brazil or even his psg days to how he plays the game now. Not much i bet. The dribbles and step overs and i bet the majority of his game are still the same. My point being there were 2 opportunities so get Ronaldinho before he moved to Barca, 2 chances to get him cheap and relatively cheap compared to how much he'd be now. If you don't take risks you'll end paying for it in the long run.

I know pretty much every player is hyped in South America, it's how these clubs survive, but these 4 players, possibly 5 if you add Kerlon, are surely worth taking a risk on don't you think? Take Marcelo, how much did he go for? £5 million, what's that in terms of an investment? Hardly anything. Naturally you wouldn't take such risk on every player, but on someone like Marcelo, Braida should have been in there like a shot and we should have been had a deal done and dusted before Real waltzed in. You can't be cautious over everything, if you do you'll end up with some second rate players or end up paying through the nose for talent you missed the first time around.

The EU spots is a problem, but you can always loan them back to their South American clubs until the summer when the club can have a good think about who to release. At least that way they'd have secured a promising future player rather than doing nothing about it.

Brasileiro
15-11-2006, 23:25
The softly softly approach isn't the best process all the time Dev. Looking at players carefully and checking them out time and time again works sometimes, but when you are under pressure you need to act faster.

I really wonder how much Ronaldinho has changed from his days of playing Brazil or even his psg days to how he plays the game now. Not much i bet. The dribbles and step overs and i bet the majority of his game are still the same. My point being there were 2 opportunities so get Ronaldinho before he moved to Barca, 2 chances to get him cheap and relatively cheap compared to how much he'd be now. If you don't take risks you'll end paying for it in the long run.

I know pretty much every player is hyped in South America, it's how these clubs survive, but these 4 players, possibly 5 if you add Kerlon, are surely worth taking a risk on don't you think? Take Marcelo, how much did he go for? £5 million, what's that in terms of an investment? Hardly anything. Naturally you wouldn't take such risk on every player, but on someone like Marcelo, Braida should have been in there like a shot and we should have been had a deal done and dusted before Real waltzed in. You can't be cautious over everything, if you do you'll end up with some second rate players or end up paying through the nose for talent you missed the first time around.

The EU spots is a problem, but you can always loan them back to their South American clubs until the summer when the club can have a good think about who to release. At least that way they'd have secured a promising future player rather than doing nothing about it.
Perfect, Jim :5ok:
Even with the EU spots problem, talents like Marcelo, Kerlon, Arouca, Lucas for just 5, 6 or 7 millions is a win/win purchase. We are talking about young players, but also youngsters that are playing regular as startes(Kerlon had his first start past week), being used to the pression for to perform. Some are also in the race for MVP of brazilian league(Lucas),and some of them reaching Brazil NT.

As you said, we are not obliged to bring all...we can loan some of this players to above average teams, and leave them developing, and get used to european football. Some time ago, the prices are very high. But to see Real purchasng a talent like Marcelo for only 5 or 6 millions is disappointing. If the Lucas case is real, and we are losing him for just one million... :irritate:

What makes me mad, is that we are not competing w/ Chelsea and its crazy bids, but we are losing players that would go to cost only 5 millions.
Right now, the cost of this players:
Lucas: 8 or 9 mil
Arouca: 4 or 5 mil
Kerlon: 6 mil

joumasepoes
16-11-2006, 00:17
Unfortunately we cant make a non EU purchase even if we wanted to. Oliveira was a NON eu transfer, thats what 1 of the directors said in a article, in the Sheva to Milan rumours. Luckily Lucas has an Italian password. 6 million euros, no problem.
As for Ilsinho and Kerlon, wed have to wait till next season.
Considering Milan allegedly has a 100 million pounds to spend they dont exactly have a great shortlisted players: BIanchi, Rigano, Felipe, Rinaudo etc are all very average. I still believe Huntelaar should be brought NOW even if he is cup tied and I cant even believe we werent even linked to him not even in Tribal.
As for Higuain I dont see why hed want to choose Milan over Madrid. If he moves to spain he already speaks spanish but here hed have to learn the culture and language.

rt9
16-11-2006, 02:19
I guess this is where scouting comes into the picture. As pissed off as I am for missing out on Marcelo, we have to realize that the MAJORITY of over-hyped youngsters do not make it big in Europe. This is where our scouts have to do their jobs. They got to pick the ones that they think will fit into our team and make an impact. Otherwise we dont only waste money, but also time.

Take for example, Kaka. He was a great prospect and we rightly made a move to get him. It's certainly paid dividends. Now look at Robinho. Also a great prospect. Real paid an enourmous sum for him last year. What has he done? His impact at Real is next to nothing compared to Kaka's impact at Milan. And Real paid what, 5 or 6 times what we paid for Kaka. Another example is Diego. Great prospect. But we can all see, at least for now, that he is not Milan class (not in the starting 11 at least). He may be good enough for Bremen or Porto, but not for Milan.

Now how's one to know which player would turn out to be a superstar and which a dud? Who knows? Maybe Ilsinho (now rated below Marcelo) may turn out to be a fantastic player and Marcelo may be languishing in the sidelines. There are no guarantees. I just hope the Milan scouts get it right.

humanTORCH
16-11-2006, 03:23
It's been a constructive opinions we have so far. great posting :lala:

Great post rt9, I agree with u on that. It's about getting that SPECIAL talent that could mould into Milan colours. IS our scout team not being active in finding a gem or just there aren't Milan material around? Your answer is as good as mine(we don't really know). But I believe we are taking a step back and it's showing but I hope Milan will do all they could to please the fans when the transfer window open.

Hopefull we can have a new generation of MVB, Baresi,Weah,Savicevic,boban. :o

ACMILAN1983
16-11-2006, 04:33
The softly softly approach isn't the best process all the time Dev. Looking at players carefully and checking them out time and time again works sometimes, but when you are under pressure you need to act faster.

I really wonder how much Ronaldinho has changed from his days of playing Brazil or even his psg days to how he plays the game now. Not much i bet. The dribbles and step overs and i bet the majority of his game are still the same. My point being there were 2 opportunities so get Ronaldinho before he moved to Barca, 2 chances to get him cheap and relatively cheap compared to how much he'd be now. If you don't take risks you'll end paying for it in the long run.

I know pretty much every player is hyped in South America, it's how these clubs survive, but these 4 players, possibly 5 if you add Kerlon, are surely worth taking a risk on don't you think? Take Marcelo, how much did he go for? £5 million, what's that in terms of an investment? Hardly anything. Naturally you wouldn't take such risk on every player, but on someone like Marcelo, Braida should have been in there like a shot and we should have been had a deal done and dusted before Real waltzed in. You can't be cautious over everything, if you do you'll end up with some second rate players or end up paying through the nose for talent you missed the first time around.

The EU spots is a problem, but you can always loan them back to their South American clubs until the summer when the club can have a good think about who to release. At least that way they'd have secured a promising future player rather than doing nothing about it.

I know the soft approach isn't always the best, and don't get me wrong, I'm not exactly pleased with our seemingly constant hesitation. I just meant that I understand why they're hestitating.

Of the four of five players being talked about, we really need to consider which we need the most. Honestly, I think the RB position right now is argubly the most critical, because we're simply getting no width down the right. In the past we'd play Cafu who'd provide great width down the right and then even if we were to play a defensive LB, we'd always have Seedorf who drifts out to the left touchline a lot. Right now we get some width down the left (with Seedorf or Jankulovski when they decided to perform) and have almost nothing down the right, seeing as we had Cafu before but he seems to have just lost it now. Considering this, players like Marcelo, Gago and Higuain would be a nice addition (assuming they'll succeed) but aren't likely to really have great influnce on our current problems.

kris
16-11-2006, 04:40
about signings

Reminder: Amoroso, Jankulovski and Cafu.

Jim_UK
16-11-2006, 04:43
How we will we know if we have a new generation of MVB, Baresi, Weah, Savicevic and bobans if we never take risks or even calculated risks on these players?

To me it doesn't matter where these players play, if they have the possibility of becoming great future players, then getting them is a better option than just letting them slip through our fingers without even trying.

rosoneri_11
16-11-2006, 05:08
Guys i saw yesterday the friendly France-Greece.
I was ineteresting more to see malouda,abidal, and ribery!

Malouda played very good.He done everything on the field yesterday,crossings,dribling,runs,shoots,good passes.....he was very good!
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Abidal played 1 half(the first).And he was great!He played very very good.He is great at defence,on air,nice passes,nice crossings,and he has great natural fitness,stamina,and strength!
For me Abidal is the best LB for milan!This guy is just great!For me he is better of Zambrotta!
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Ribery didn't play yesterday!I don't know why!
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:3band: :3band: :3band:

rosoneri_11
16-11-2006, 05:17
and some good news guys!
From:http://www.tribalfootball.com/article.php?id=18436



Nesta committed to AC Milan
tribalfooball.com - November 16, 2006

Alessandro Nesta has declared his commitment to AC Milan.
"I am happy here and so is my family," he told Milan Channel. "I've never spoken about this, just leaving the newspapers to say what they wanted to. The rumours I want to leave are completely untrue."

The 30-year-old has been on disappointing form this season and his contract is set to expire in 2008, prompting reports he is looking for a return to hometown club Lazio.

"We are talking to the club, just as other Rossoneri players have, before signing a new contract. This is why I think we'll stay here."

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So nesta is staying to us!So if we sign a great DC, Abidal as a DL, and a good RB like oddo,ilsinho,Alexis, we would had a great defence!

rosoneri_11
16-11-2006, 07:07
From:http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/nov16f.html



Amelia eyes Milan move Thursday 16 November, 2006

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Livorno goalkeeper Marco Amelia has revealed that he is hoping to join Milan in January.

The Italian International is keen to leave the Tuscan minnows, with the San Siro his preferred destination as the Rossoneri No 1 Nelson Dida is yet to extend his deal with the Via Turati club.

“I would like to move to Milan – I think this is normal because we are talking about one of the strongest clubs in the world,” said Amelia.

“I am flattered that my name is being associated with the Rossoneri. The transfer window will reopen in January and anyone interested in my services will have to speak to Livorno.

“I like it in Livorno, but I don’t think a side that is fourth and in good form can be criticised by its President,” he added, referring to Aldo Spinelli, who has repeatedly lambasted Coach Daniele Arrigoni for his tactical choices.

“If there will be an opportunity to leave, I hope I will not miss it,” concluded the former Roma man.

mrki
16-11-2006, 09:49
Abidal is a geat player, similar to Chiellini by his carecteristics. With his you have not just attacking power, but also super defender wih great heading ability and tackling. He could be good solution for Lb, aldough I think we will try for Zambrotta next year. Ribery is a plyaaer that Juve will go for, thanks to Deschamps, but he could do well for us. Anyway, since we have Kaka' and Gourcuff and will try for Ronaldinho, I dont think he is on top of our shopping list.

Dr Milano
16-11-2006, 11:20
http://www.goal.com/en/articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=169839

thiers the source above :

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Milan seem to be officially in a crisis, and while Braida and Galliani are already looking for new blood to refresh their team already in January, there are players who would jump at the opportunity to join the club in spite of their current woes. One of the roles that could see some changes is the goalkeeper, if not in January then almost certainly in June, especially considering that Dida still hasn't extended his contract.

Among his possible substitutes is a player who, after yesterday's friendly between Italy and Turkey, offered himself without too much subtlety: "I would like to go to Milan, it's normal, they are one of the strongest clubs in the world, so it gives my pride to see my name associated with them. The transfer period will start in January, anyone who wants me will have to talk to Livorno. Would I be ready to go immediately? Yes, I'm available already in January. At Livorno I am fine, but a team that is fourth in the league and getting such good results should not be criticised by their president. If there will be a possibility to leave, then I think I will .

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thats about it - hes exactly what we need ... :3band: come on amelia

oh yea heres another link

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Livorno goalkeeper Marco Amelia has revealed that he is hoping to join Milan in January.

The Italian International is keen to leave the Tuscan minnows, with the San Siro his preferred destination as the Rossoneri No 1 Nelson Dida is yet to extend his deal with the Via Turati club.

“I would like to move to Milan – I think this is normal because we are talking about one of the strongest clubs in the world,” said Amelia.

“I am flattered that my name is being associated with the Rossoneri. The transfer window will reopen in January and anyone interested in my services will have to speak to Livorno.

“I like it in Livorno, but I don’t think a side that is fourth and in good form can be criticised by its President,” he added, referring to Aldo Spinelli, who has repeatedly lambasted Coach Daniele Arrigoni for his tactical choices.

“If there will be an opportunity to leave, I hope I will not miss it,” concluded the former Roma man.

source : http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/nov16f.html

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Stitch
16-11-2006, 13:24
there is a discussion about this on the "latest transfer rumors concerning milan" thread

Dr Milano
16-11-2006, 13:30
there is a discussion about this on the "latest transfer rumors concerning milan" thread
ouch sorry ... :5milan: my fault :dontcare:

Dr Milano
16-11-2006, 13:34
In Jan , Milan must get this team into top shape - if were to do anything this season

much more signings ... see the tactics ... and really study ... the formation and so on ...

some players e.g Kalac , Brocchi - hes doing well but not our type

borrielo need to be sold ... to give some room for players such as

Tomasson - im dreaming .

Amelia , Right Back From Somewhere , Strikers - defo ... thats our main problem right now

nefremo
16-11-2006, 13:46
Dr Milano...why isn't Brocchi our type of player. I think we are actually very very lucky to have a player like him in our squad. Teams out there cry to have Gattuso or a Gattuso-like in their squad, and we have them both. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't say that Gattuso is really better then Brocchi. Yes defensively he is, but going forward Brocchi does a better job. His ability to play anywhere in the midfield is also a plus, and the biggest thing is that he doesn't mind being a squad player and not a constant starter. I think it is really vital that we keep Brocchi here after this season. He has proven that he can be a great back up for any midfielder, and also a very good starter.

Dr Milano
16-11-2006, 13:59
Dr Milano...why isn't Brocchi our type of player. I think we are actually very very lucky to have a player like him in our squad. Teams out there cry to have Gattuso or a Gattuso-like in their squad, and we have them both. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't say that Gattuso is really better then Brocchi. Yes defensively he is, but going forward Brocchi does a better job. His ability to play anywhere in the midfield is also a plus, and the biggest thing is that he doesn't mind being a squad player and not a constant starter. I think it is really vital that we keep Brocchi here after this season. He has proven that he can be a great back up for any midfielder, and also a very good starter.
Well okay lmao but his head puts me off and his hair cut :delol:

ramo23
16-11-2006, 14:34
no brocchi is a valuable player. The days of the late 80s-early 90's where our b squad could win the scudetto by 10 pts are long gone. We were so loaded we needed to loan boban out. I found this clip on youtube, nearly made me cry: http://youtube.com/watch?v=nlL-C-VnRac&mode=related&search=
I forgot how great a squad we were. If you guys watch the goals, look at the movement, the precision, the art, it's amazing. Sheva was a true maestro. There I said it!! Players like him are once a generation. I ask myself, did Gallliani lose the touch he had in acquiring sheva, kaka, pirlo, seedorf, nesta, van basten, savicevic, gullit, rijkaard, gattuso, and this list goes on and on. Now there have been some clunkers in there, mainly bogarde, pablo garcia, kluivert, reiziger, etc.. But generally, we have gotten more good players than bad. If that were not the case, we wouldn't be here debatting the merits of our club on a site whose members are scattered in the 4 corners of the world. Management needs to remember its past accomplishments and use that as a guideline, and not try to build a team from the scrapheap. A jankulovski, a favalli, a brocchi, a simic, are good subs to have on the bench and to play while resting some starters/stars, but they cannot all be on the field at the same time. that is the recipe for disaster, which is what we have done this yr.

K77SH C
16-11-2006, 19:10
Brocchi has alot to offer this squad and dare I say this team. He has the energy of Gatusso and is much neater with the ball. He may not be as aggressive as Rino, but Rino really isnt the best timer of a tackle. If Brocchi can hack it mentally the way Gatusso does then he will make sure Rino isnt missed.

humanTORCH
16-11-2006, 20:21
How we will we know if we have a new generation of MVB, Baresi, Weah, Savicevic and bobans if we never take risks or even calculated risks on these players?

To me it doesn't matter where these players play, if they have the possibility of becoming great future players, then getting them is a better option than just letting them slip through our fingers without even trying.

Our scout team might be on holiday in SA instead looking. :grinser:
It's always a risk in getting new players in Milan, be they are proven or unproven on international stage.
But I have faith with our scouting team as they are the one who brought us boban, savicevic, weah, baresi. :devil:

Mystik
16-11-2006, 21:26
Of course I have faith in them. This summer was horrible because our management really did not know exaxctly how things would have ended up until close to the end of the transfer window. Next summer will be much more productive..I can almost 100% guarantee. In January don't expect a complete overhaul, but a few key signings that absolutely HAVE to be made. e.g. The rightback Ilsinho who seems to be coming. Until then..the constant complaining day in day out really does nothing to help our team. Nothing can be REALLY changed till summer..so how bout we just support the team with have until then ? Yes I know, football is a pretty emotional sport but I'm sure we can trust our management who have been in charge of Milan for who-knows-how-many years. I'd THINK they know a little more than we do when it comes to scouting players.

It also needs to be understood that we're not dealing with sweets or chocolates and we can't buy EVERY player with a sweet youtube video or the most hyped name in Brazil. I actually prefer our management to not have an impulsive buy-on-sight type of attitude..but they actually weigh the situation and see our NEEDS and prioritize and spend wisely. That's my two cents..or maybe a little more than two cents but yeah. The revolution has already started with Gilardino Gourcuff Kaka Bonera Oliveira. Throw in a couple promising youth players(Antonelli, Guerci..) and slowly but surely..we'll see the new unstoppable Milan that we all know and love.

Jim_UK
17-11-2006, 04:35
Who says we should buy every player out there? I think you'll only find that in the Fantasy thread.

Bonera & Oliveira part of a revolution? We were really wise in buying Oliveira, really weighed up the situation of getting a very rusty player who's just come back from a serious injury and long lay off, that helped enormously. Just as getting a pivotal player such as Bonera for a pittance must have really been key to our plans! None of us can say if they are good enough for our team and can make a difference, maybe they will but they equally could continue their irratic on field displays and prove to be a waste of money. They'll have to dramatically improve to be part of an unstoppable milan.

There always seems to be the counter argument that when people talk about players, it's deemed we don't know anything and the management know all and see all because they've been doing it for X amount of years. What's the point of having the transfer thread or indeed any thread. We might aswell not talk about anything as there will always be someone else in the world of football that knows more than we do.

Forgive me if i don't believe completely in an ex prime minister who only has eyes for Ronaldinho and as part of his political background is familar with lies and fabrications, Galliani who's behaviour isn't the best advert for our club and Braida who's purchases over the last few seasons have been very hit and miss and who keeps going to look/scout new players but comes back empty handed each time.

Graeme C
17-11-2006, 05:19
Before thes scandal and trial. Moggy was being linked to us... Maybe Belusconi isnt a 100% happy with the management..

marcovb
17-11-2006, 05:24
MILANO - Se negli ultimi giorni Gonzalo Higuain pareva certo che si accasasse al Real Madrid ora l'affare non è più così certo. Infatti il Milan ha formulato un'offerta di 14 milioni di euro al River Plate, mentre il Real Madrid che sembrava in vantaggio è ancora fermo a 10. La dirigenza argentina starebbe così cercando di convincere Higuain ad andare al Milan per ottenere il maggior guadagno. Intanto restano tra gli obiettivi rossoneri anche Amelia e Ilsinho.


Milan has made an offer of 14mil for Higuain

kris
17-11-2006, 05:40
How we will we know if we have a new generation of MVB, Baresi, Weah, Savicevic and bobans if we never take risks or even calculated risks on these players?


Please explain to me how any of those players could in any way be described as "risks". Also, at the time we got those there was almost no competition in the market and Baresi breaked trough at a time we where not a big team.

Weah. Got world player of the year that we bought him. had big succes in UCL. a bit like buying Eto'o or Henry now.
Boban. Serie A experience, greatly rated. A bit like getting Riquelme (+ serie A experience)
Savicevic. Won the European cup already. A bit like Barcelona buying Deco.
M Van Basten. top scorer last two years in Holland, having scored like crazy since he debuted substituting Crueff as a 17 year old. scored 37 goals in 27 games the year before we got him. a bit like ManU buying Van Nistelrooy.

So with which one did we take a risk with?

Graeme C
17-11-2006, 05:48
the days of buying players savicevic, and weah have gone.. we dont seem to spend the cash to get players like that anymore.. We have to face it, Real and Chelsea have ranked the price of players up (killed the transfer market), if we want to buy decent players we cant pay peanuts all the time..

Mystik
17-11-2006, 06:08
Jim if you noticed..I DID say this summer was horrible. We had to rush transfers and ended up overspending for Oliveira who is not a bad player..but due to time constraints Betis took advantage of our need for a striker and jacked his value up. You have to remember that we WERE facing the realistic possibility of ending up in Serie B..so our strategy had to be changed drastically(i.e. getting Favalli..saving money in order to try to keep our stars at the club) Then we were allowed to get back into Serie A..but we didn't know if we were in Champions League. That also set us back because revenue from Champions League brings a lot of funds into the club. Next summer I hope will be a summer less filled with contreversy than the one that just left us. Then we can REALLY rate our management.

kris
17-11-2006, 06:58
the days of buying players savicevic, and weah have gone.. we dont seem to spend the cash to get players like that anymore.. We have to face it, Real and Chelsea have ranked the price of players up (killed the transfer market), if we want to buy decent players we cant pay peanuts all the time..

We can very well go up and by like them, the real question is whether Berlusconi wants to do that... Otherwise we can always hope for some more succesful "Kaka" kind of deals. Many consider him our teams best player and we got him for €10M...

rahul.acm
17-11-2006, 07:10
MILANO - Se negli ultimi giorni Gonzalo Higuain pareva certo che si accasasse al Real Madrid ora l'affare non è più così certo. Infatti il Milan ha formulato un'offerta di 14 milioni di euro al River Plate, mentre il Real Madrid che sembrava in vantaggio è ancora fermo a 10. La dirigenza argentina starebbe così cercando di convincere Higuain ad andare al Milan per ottenere il maggior guadagno. Intanto restano tra gli obiettivi rossoneri anche Amelia e Ilsinho.


Milan has made an offer of 14mil for Higuain

wasaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa marcovb! Please give me the link to this news.

marcovb
17-11-2006, 11:01
http://www.calciomercato.it/dettaglioNewsCategoria.asp?hdnIdCategoria=2&hdnId=5313

ramo23
17-11-2006, 13:39
Mystik, when the initial verdicts came out, it must have been sometimes in July, and we were the only team to be initially left in Serie A. Juve I believe was down to C, while Lazio and Fiorentina were down to B. Maybe we were initially banned from Europe, but not serie A, therefore, we had still the sky tv revenue stream. There are a lot of players who make a tremendous impact that are bought every yr for 6-10 mill euros. Even in the worst case scenario, we would have had no europe this yr, but we still would have been in A, and would have had the 45 million from sheva's sale to buy 4-5 players. Oliveira we overpaid for 2 reasons. 1) to supposedly get to ronaldinho, 2) as someone mentioned, because it was late, and we had struck out with ronaldo, sobis, suazo, and possibly even iaquinta. Oliveira is still young enought to have patience with, but while it takes most players at least half to a full season to adjust to Italy, we were not equipped for that luxury since our other 2 fwds are very similar and are inside the 18 players, not roamers or deep forwards. As most other fans here, i criticize management while still making excuses for them (weird balance!!!), but in the end, their end goal is to make sure the coach has at his disposal the right players to win. In all honesty, I don't think we can say galliani and co. did that this yr. I believe that successful management is planning ahead, meaning that galliani should have had plan A, B, and C in place already last yr. The team was getting older, and it's not as if we lacked creative players in order to fantasize about ronaldinho. They knew the defense was aging, that our two brazilian wingers were in their mid 30s, that a player of Gattuso's energy does slown down in his late 20s, and that as great as pirlo is, he is a defensive liability. We also knew that there was a good chance rui would go back home, and that we needed a cover for kaka, and though gourcuff was a good buy, he is not a 10. These are not so grave of problems, I wish I had these problems in everyday life, as they can be rectified with a couple of shrewd buys. However, management should start this course of action soon.

acdc81
17-11-2006, 13:42
Before thes scandal and trial. Moggy was being linked to us... Maybe Belusconi isnt a 100% happy with the management..

well then why isn't he doing anything.

if anything this farce in the summer was the best chance to get rid of galliani. nothing happend so far so i assume he can't be too unhappy with the situation.


i don't know if it is true but it seems a bit strange to me why we should try to outbid real for higuain (who is very young and quite unproven) but did nothing to stop marcelo from going to spain.

yes media says he wanted madrid but i think if we reached a consensus with the club the kid would have joined us too.

i hope we get us some reinforcements in january. we need much better flanks (rb, lb) and more creativity in attack (am, secunda punta). as long as the new players provide that i don't care about names.

edit: forgot that before: we really should get a new second keeper in january, kalac is simpy not up to the task. maybe he is still a ok keeper but he can't deal with coming in for only one game.

Jim_UK
17-11-2006, 14:18
Next summer I hope will be a summer less filled with contreversy than the one that just left us. Then we can REALLY rate our management.

I hope you are right :sagrin:

Kris you've misinterpreted my post. I wasn't questioning anything to do with the list players mentioned (weahs, van bastens, bobans, etc), indeed why would i?

The point i was making is that we will never know if we have the next generation of bobans, savicevics, baresis, etc if we never take risks or calculated risks on the likes of marcelo, higuain, lucas, gago and players of that ilk.

Hope i made myself clearer this time.

Tony75
17-11-2006, 14:44
I hope you are right :sagrin:

Kris you've misinterpreted my post. I wasn't questioning anything to do with the list players mentioned (weahs, van bastens, bobans, etc), indeed why would i?

The point i was making is that we will never know if we have the next generation of bobans, savicevics, baresis, etc if we never take risks or calculated risks on the likes of marcelo, higuain, lucas, gago and players of that ilk.

Hope i made myself clearer this time.

The Weah's & Savicevic's u mentioned though are a world apart in terms of experience to the youngsters been mentioned from SA. They were already winners, with big game, and big club mentality's and were joining a club which was the best in the world at the time. I agree we have to take risks, but not with our entire market though. one or 2 younger players, and some exp players are needed, butn ot experienced ala Favalli.

Warro Bantan
17-11-2006, 17:31
Carlo has meanwhile (channel4.com) rubbished the reported interest by Ameila by re-stating who our keepers are...this for me, was the WORST thing he could have done...I understand wanting to give ur keepers some confidence...but if we let Amelia go, we better have Buffon, and Buffons younger clone lined up for May-June 2K7.

Sheesh! :moan:

zZ[-_-]Zz
17-11-2006, 17:35
don't worry too much Warro... i believe Carlo (or the board in general) wants Amelia for next season... not in the Jan TW... reports indicate that Milan is likely to buy some Italian GK (Sorrentino?) and have a part exchange ready for Livorno in exchange for Amelia... with reports that Abbiati is missin' Milan on the horizon... maybe Amelia & Abbiati would fight it out for the GK spot next season... looks like Dida's days is numbered accordin' to all these rumours...

joumasepoes
18-11-2006, 00:43
Zz']don't worry too much Warro... i believe Carlo (or the board in general) wants Amelia for next season... not in the Jan TW... reports indicate that Milan is likely to buy some Italian GK (Sorrentino?) and have a part exchange ready for Livorno in exchange for Amelia... with reports that Abbiati is missin' Milan on the horizon... maybe Amelia & Abbiati would fight it out for the GK spot next season... looks like Dida's days is numbered accordin' to all these rumours...
its more likely that abbiati would be 1st choice and copolla is 2nd choice. Milan should prioritise the outfield 1st - yes every position needs tweaking and then maybe they can get amelia. Too me a new GK at this point is not a priority right now

Mystik
18-11-2006, 08:02
Well when you consider the fact that Dida is most likely going to be leaving next summer..I think it SHOULD be a priority. Not for January of course..but to at least secure his(Amelia..Buffon..whoever)'s services for the summer.

Graeme C
18-11-2006, 08:38
yeah that would be a very wise thing to do :) Dida is asking more money per season than what Buffon gets.. I dont mind either Amelia or Buffon, just Amelia wouldnt be as expensive...

Kaka1899
18-11-2006, 09:58
on Channel 4 there are reports of Antonio Di Natale, Amelia, Ryan Babel and Gonzalo Higuain although River plate have had a higher offer for him that what real madrid have offered but they wont say how much has been offered for him.

Graeme C
18-11-2006, 12:46
Oddo seemed like a good option right about now....


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Cafu: I'm going home Saturday 18 November, 2006 channel4

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Marcos Cafu has sensationally announced he’s returning to Brazil permanently, possibly as early as January.

“I want to go home. It could happen in January or at the end of 2007, I don’t know yet,” he was quoted as saying in Brazilian newspaper ‘La Folha de Sao Paulo.’


“There are negotiations already in place, not only with Sao Paulo. I thank everyone for having opened so many doors and now it’s up to me to choose.”


The 36-year-old defender had already considered his career almost over after his contract with Roma expired in June 2003, agreeing a move to Japan’s J-League.


However, Milan gave him the opportunity to extend his Serie A stay, which is now in its 10th season.


“I want to be closer to my family. I’ve already spoken to some clubs, but there is nothing concrete yet.”


Cafu had returned to Brazil to take care of family matters earlier this year and it seems it could be a permanent arrangement.


The Rossoneri have earmarked his replacement at right-back, fellow Brazilian Ilsinho of Sao Paulo.


“Even if he is still only at the start of his career, Ilsinho has already proved he can become a big name who matters on the world stage.”


Pendolino made his Serie A debut in Roma’s 3-1 win at Empoli on August 31, 1997 and has notched up five goals in 142 appearances for the Selecao.

Hitman
18-11-2006, 16:30
I think it is a good choice for Cafu to leave now. He WAS a great player, but his time is up. He has been great for Milan though, but now it is time for us to find another attacking right back.

K77SH C
18-11-2006, 16:35
At least it will force us to spend some money. Or will it? :u31:

Graeme C
18-11-2006, 16:49
i duno, unless Ancelloti still has hopes of playing Bonera, Simic or even Billy at RB..

Ilsinho better than Oddo?

K77SH C
18-11-2006, 16:56
Milan are more likely to ask Tassoti to kit up. :rolleyes:

Graeme C
18-11-2006, 16:58
Milan are more likely to ask Tassoti to kit up. :rolleyes:


hahahaha yeah :) wouldnt surprise me! if Serghino comes back they could play Jank at right back, but Serghino isnt due back until Febuary or something?

K77SH C
18-11-2006, 17:03
hahahaha yeah :) wouldnt surprise me! if Serghino comes back they could play Jank at right back, but Serghino isnt due back until Febuary or something?

Tell me about it, it really isnt funny anymore. This Milan squad trying to compete for anything is like making an omlette without eggs. :googly:

Bosniaco
19-11-2006, 20:15
i duno, unless Ancelloti still has hopes of playing Bonera, Simic or even Billy at RB..

Ilsinho better than Oddo?
I just watched Sao Paulo play this guy is very good, I'm not sure how old is he but he is very good. We should get him...

vlado
19-11-2006, 20:51
He is 21, and he is tall 177cm...

Jim_UK
20-11-2006, 04:54
Luca Toni in January is the latest rumour :stress:

I don't see how Toni can help change anything, we have Inzaghi & Gilardino who are similar strikers, his transfer won't solve anything and won't add any kind of pace to our forwards. The only way he'll be good for us is if both Inzaghi & Gilardino leave, but i don't see that happening.

I''m hoping for a rumour about Taiwo of Marseille. He's like Eboue (tall, strong, quick) but is a left-back. He's the kind of raw, success hungry player we need here.

rosoneri_11
20-11-2006, 06:16
Luca Toni in January is the latest rumour :stress:

I don't see how Toni can help change anything, we have Inzaghi & Gilardino who are similar strikers, his transfer won't solve anything and won't add any kind of pace to our forwards. The only way he'll be good for us is if both Inzaghi & Gilardino leave, but i don't see that happening.

I''m hoping for a rumour about Taiwo of Marseille. He's like Eboue (tall, strong, quick) but is a left-back. He's the kind of raw, success hungry player we need here.

Well Toni is an experienced striker and he knows how to score many goals!He is good for milan but not to play with gila or Inzaghi!
----------------------------------------------------
As for Taiwo,he is great!He has it all to become a great DL.
Taiwo and Abidal are my best DL for Milan!

zlatanov
20-11-2006, 10:29
We will need an experienced striker anyway - be that Toni, Trez or whoever - who can score goals and take up Pippo's role 'cause he, Inzaghi, at 33 isn't getting any younger and soon would become more of a back-up player we have in the squad just in case ome of the other forwards gets injured.
As for getting a younger player, well, we can't have all of our forwards be "young players with prospects to improve" ... we, and any serious club for that matter, need someone up front, who's already grown up and at his prime.

bosnian_acfan
20-11-2006, 15:28
I just have one simple question... Torres to Milan, any chance??

I ask this because I heard that Man Utd is getting Trezeguet, so they've given up on Torres, has Milan????

eltomas2
20-11-2006, 16:01
also river plate rejected real madrid's offer of 10 million for Higuian...just some news

Dr Milano
20-11-2006, 16:16
I just have one simple question... Torres to Milan, any chance??

I ask this because I heard that Man Utd is getting Trezeguet, so they've given up on Torres, has Milan????

Well ... thiers been no news at all on torres has thier ...

man u wont get trezequet by the looks of it .. and torres does have a desire for manchester

So , who nows ... but i think that torres will head off too man u and trez goal stays at Juve

Egoistka
20-11-2006, 19:44
Luca Toni in January is the latest rumour :stress:

I don't see how Toni can help change anything, we have Inzaghi & Gilardino who are similar strikers, his transfer won't solve anything and won't add any kind of pace to our forwards. The only way he'll be good for us is if both Inzaghi & Gilardino leave, but i don't see that happening.

I''m hoping for a rumour about Taiwo of Marseille. He's like Eboue (tall, strong, quick) but is a left-back. He's the kind of raw, success hungry player we need here.

Luca Toni is a great striker and he is not in a bad shape now. So he could help Milan a lot..But the thing is that I dont think Fiorentina would consider selling him. I very much like Luca Toni, but I think Nando Torres could be a better option for us, as he is younger then Toni.
Inzaghi and Gila are in a very bad shape and their moral is very low...
The possibility of Inzaghi leaving is very low, as i think he ll finish his career in Milan. Gilardino, possibly, still could be sold for a good price. And I think it worths a deal, if someone agrees to buy him from us.

joumasepoes
21-11-2006, 00:05
Luca Toni is a great striker and he is not in a bad shape now. So he could help Milan a lot..But the thing is that I dont think Fiorentina would consider selling him. I very much like Luca Toni, but I think Nando Torres could be a better option for us, as he is younger then Toni.
Inzaghi and Gila are in a very bad shape and their moral is very low...
The possibility of Inzaghi leaving is very low, as i think he ll finish his career in Milan. Gilardino, possibly, still could be sold for a good price. And I think it worths a deal, if someone agrees to buy him from us.
I too like Torres. But the problem is that he is in awful form, so it may not be a good idea to bring in a player especially from La Liga he is in poor form. But im sure he'll get his game on soon.
Luca TOni is good but in 3 years time he'll be 33 so it would be back to the drawing board. Not worth 20 milllion bucks if you ask me

rosoneri_11
21-11-2006, 02:23
For me the best striker with super statistics of goals and history
is DAVID VILLA!

2003 Real Zaragoza
17 Goals
2004 Real Zaragoza
18 Goals
2005 Valencia
26 Goals
2006
16 Goals

Jim_UK
21-11-2006, 03:25
Luca Toni is a great striker and he is not in a bad shape now. So he could help Milan a lot..But the thing is that I dont think Fiorentina would consider selling him.


How will Toni help us alot? We don't need a 3rd target man, we have 2 of those already. He has no pace and although i'm not against getting older players, he's the wrong side of 30. I don't see the benefit of paying a huge sum of money to rip him from Fiorentina's clutches just so that he'll be here for 3 years.

We don't need two aging strikers, we have Inzaghi we don't need Toni. Who's to say he'd do great things here anyway? I don't see Toni as the answer.


The latest talks about Rijkaard joining in the summer and Ronaldinho & Belletti as two targets. Belletti! He's awful, he can't defend at all.

kris
21-11-2006, 03:41
Carlo has meanwhile (channel4.com) rubbished the reported interest by Ameila by re-stating who our keepers are...this for me, was the WORST thing he could have done...I understand wanting to give ur keepers some confidence...but if we let Amelia go, we better have Buffon, and Buffons younger clone lined up for May-June 2K7.

Sheesh! :moan:

He said the right thing. He said just what he is supposed to say.

He is 21, and he is tall 177cm...

177cm ain't exactly tall, it is middle height if anything.

Jim_UK
21-11-2006, 11:37
Arjen Robben perhaps?

With his recent rumblings about leaving Chelsea should they buy Malouda or someone of that style, then maybe we could see him here.

Definately more probable to see him in either Madrid, Inter or possibly Barca due to the way those teams play. However, it's a possibility that he could join us. It would certainly be a step in the right direction, particularly if we moved to a 4-3-3 formation.

As always, everything is pure speculation at this point. But i've always thought that he could end up with us, maybe it'll happen after all. Who knows.

ramo23
21-11-2006, 12:04
Torres doesn't score. His tally is always respectable because he shoots pks, but aguerro is the one playing well right now for Atletico along with Maniche. Torres is a good player, but he is not the replacement for sheva. He would also cost too much. I am usually of the school that one needs to pay and sometimes overpay for talent, but in this case, I don't view Torres as the right man for Milan. If we are to get players from Atletico I would rather get Perea and Maxi Rodriguez when he gets healthy. Let Torres go to Man U. For that money, we can go and get both Gago and Higuain. Boca seems to be playing hardball with real for Gago and this is our chance to pounce. Zlatanov has a point in saying that we need an experience striker. If we get an experience striker like toni or trez, along with a good young fwd, say higuain, then that would be good. I think we should carry 5 fwds like inter does. If next yr, we have Trez, Higuain, Gila, Inzaghi, and Oliveira, that should help us in that domain. I would also look at maybe a lesser known playmaker like cani of villareal or we should have taken aimar to relieve Kaka from time to time. Damn, come to think of it, we had rui and should have kept him at least this yr.

ramo23
21-11-2006, 12:14
sorry hadn't read every posting so I will add this. Yes, Jim Uk has made a good pt mentioning Robben. In a 4-3-3, alongside kaka and Etoo (dare I dream, :) ), or even gila if he ever decided to be a man, and become the player he was supposed to be when we got him, robben would create serious mismatches and open up the field even more for kaka. The problem then with that formation, though I do like it, is that the midfield will have to be redesigned and I can't see Pirlo playing. We would have to move seedorf to the center since he is more physical or get a de rossi to cover the center. If we get these players, then we can switch formations and still play an attractive brand of football.

Tony29.
21-11-2006, 13:03
If we get an experience striker like trez, .
I read that Milan is still in the game for buying Trezeguet, as is Manchester United, but according to Calciomercato, Lyon is closest to Trezeguet, and they're ready to make a 30 M EURO offer for him (or money+Abidal).
It seems Juve won't be able to refuse such offer, which leads us to another player Milan is interested in : Juve plans to use part of the money from the potential Trez transfer, to buy Iaquinta .........grrrrrrrrrrrrrr :stupid: :dumpf: :dumpf: :dumpf:

mrki
21-11-2006, 13:05
we can still use Pirlo but with more protection, just like Lippi used him.. like this......

....................forward??...................
........robben..................kaka'.................
...........strong CM ( Gago )...gattuso
...................pirlo..................

I dont think Robben will leave Chelsea, or that Milan will pay 25-30 mil for a player that has broken both of his legs and is only 22. However, if we do somehow get him, he certanly cant play in Seedorf's position. But only as a winger. Still, I dont see him in Milan. But if Rijkaard comes in here, on Basten, then its possible.

GilAttack [11]
21-11-2006, 15:51
With Gilardino and Inzaghi, you must go after Palacio rather than Higuain. But well, supposedly Milan is offering 14M Euros for Higuain and I cant see River Plate rejecting that offer.

ramo23
21-11-2006, 16:25
I am watching the AEK game as I am typing this, and whatever remaining hair I have on my head, I want to pull it out. It is ridiculous. we have missed many chances, but we are slow and predictable and it really starts to get on my nerves. The ref sucks, but still, we need a different approach. Everybody knows it now, and all they have to do is wait for us in numbers. I watched porto-cska before and porto plays fast, and stretch the field and anderson didn't even play. Now dida is off and Kalac is coming on. We just wasted our last sub on a keeper. this is getting better and better. Pirlo is dead, kaka is pissed and doesnt want to be there today. We just need an alternative way of playing instead of being so stubborn. Get some wide players, different mids, a tricky fwd, a predator. Just give us something that can give us plan a,b, and c.

Mystik
21-11-2006, 16:51
Did you even watch the match..? Dida got injured.

Egoistka
21-11-2006, 20:44
How will Toni help us alot? We don't need a 3rd target man, we have 2 of those already. He has no pace and although i'm not against getting older players, he's the wrong side of 30. I don't see the benefit of paying a huge sum of money to rip him from Fiorentina's clutches just so that he'll be here for 3 years.

We don't need two aging strikers, we have Inzaghi we don't need Toni. Who's to say he'd do great things here anyway? I don't see Toni as the answer.


The latest talks about Rijkaard joining in the summer and Ronaldinho & Belletti as two targets. Belletti! He's awful, he can't defend at all.

Jim, at least he scores at the moment...And as I said I dont think it worths a deal to buy Toni (although I do like him a lot and I think he could help us) because he is old.

ramo23
22-11-2006, 03:28
Mystik, I hope you weren't adressing me. I have been polite with everyone since I joined and expect the same when you address me. Read again what I wrote. I said he is coming off, maybe i should have said he was injured but I am sure everyone that read my post assumed that. Remember I was typing the post as I was watching the game. Next time, refrain from making smart ass comments.

ACMILAN1983
22-11-2006, 03:47
Mystik, I hope you weren't adressing me. I have been polite with everyone since I joined and expect the same when you address me. Read again what I wrote. I said he is coming off, maybe i should have said he was injured but I am sure everyone that read my post assumed that. Remember I was typing the post as I was watching the game. Next time, refrain from making smart ass comments.

Shame you couldn't control the swearing :rolleyes:

Kaka1899
22-11-2006, 05:28
Milans strikers are all to similar they need somebody to 'mix it up' in attack somebody with pace like Martins im not saying we should buy martins but we need somebody to have some pace and strength about them because Gila and pippo are more poachers or predators and move in the same way as Sheva was different.

Egoistka
22-11-2006, 07:41
Milans strikers are all to similar they need somebody to 'mix it up' in attack somebody with pace like Martins im not saying we should buy martins but we need somebody to have some pace and strength about them because Gila and pippo are more poachers or predators and move in the same way as Sheva was different.

Thank God that you dont suggest us to buy Martins! Because Martins can be either very very good, or just worse then anybody. So much depends on the day. We need someone more stable.

Kaka1899
22-11-2006, 08:07
yeah sorry i was using martins as an example because of his speed although! Henry is quick and consistently gd or am i aiming too high?

Jim_UK
22-11-2006, 08:11
our chance of getting Henry has been and gone ... not unless he has a huge falling out with Arsenal or some desire to play again in Italy for us.

You're right to aim high, no good aiming for mediocrity and an Henry type forward is what we need, but obviously not Henry himself as he'd be an almost impossible transfer.

Although we are forgetting, Oliveira is our Henry type forward and he apparently is showing alot of potential :rollani: :delol:

Kaka1899
22-11-2006, 08:21
well yes point taken jim uk. only if Oliveira had more chances to form a partnership wth either Gila/pippo we wouldnt have as much a crisis up front as we have would we?

Egoistka
22-11-2006, 09:51
well yes point taken jim uk. only if Oliveira had more chances to form a partnership wth either Gila/pippo we wouldnt have as much a crisis up front as we have would we?

Yes I totally agree with this. As we all could see in the game yesterday..RO tried to develop this partnership with Inzaghi, he was constantly delivering the ball to him...and Pippo missed the target. So that is not really RO's fault..is it? He cant do everything himself.

Kaka1899
22-11-2006, 10:33
yes instead of swapping and changing give the guy a chance Ancelotti please!!!!!!!!!

Mystik
22-11-2006, 15:57
Mystik, I hope you weren't adressing me. I have been polite with everyone since I joined and expect the same when you address me. Read again what I wrote. I said he is coming off, maybe i should have said he was injured but I am sure everyone that read my post assumed that. Remember I was typing the post as I was watching the game. Next time, refrain from making smart ass comments.
You called it 'wasting a sub' when it was actually necessary because the guy was injured. That's why I made the comment. Maybe a better choice of words next time?

Jim_UK
25-11-2006, 04:47
It seems we've offered money & either simic or bonera for oddo. But i'm pretty sure both Lazio and Oddo have turned this idea down.

it is on calciomercato

nefremo
25-11-2006, 13:25
I doubt Oddo will come. We didn't sign him when we should have and now I'm affraid it is too late. He seemed angry at the beggining of the season and I remember him sayin something within the words - If a club really wants you they will find a way, and now I want to stay at Lazio for life. He was reffering to Milan when he said that because he was asked about a move to Milan. I don't know if any of you remember this, but it was on Channel4 a while ago.

Mystik
25-11-2006, 13:28
Tavano agent mentions Milan Saturday 25 November, 2006

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Valencia striker Francesco Tavano could join Milan in the January transfer window, his agent has insisted.

The Italian has failed to feature regularly for the Liga club since his summer switch from Empoli and a New Year return is expected.

Although Roma have been associated, his representative claims a Rossoneri switch is more likely.

“To have a request from Roma is something which we are proud of, but I don’t think there has been any contact to kick start the negotiations,” noted Stefano Guercini.

“However, there is the possibility that we will see Tavano back in Serie A after the Christmas break.

“Hopefully he could join Milan, a side who are following him and a team that Tavano really likes.

“Francesco is happy in Spain, but it is clear that Italy is in his heart.”

The player himself is keeping all of his options open and has revealed that he may know what lies ahead in the very near future.

“I’ve got a meeting scheduled with the club to discuss our plans in the next few days,” noted the creative striker. “I just hope this situation can be resolved soon.

“Where will I go? That really doesn’t matter. I would even stay with Valencia so long as I am considered on a par with everyone else.”

http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/nov25l.html

zZ[-_-]Zz
25-11-2006, 13:34
Oddo apparently isn't happy with the new wage structure imposed by Lazio to balance the books... as he finds it to low... and if he doesn't sign a new contract... he can leave for as low as 2 million...

rosoneri_11
25-11-2006, 14:25
It seems we've offered money & either simic or bonera for oddo. But i'm pretty sure both Lazio and Oddo have turned this idea down.

it is on calciomercato

Money + players for oddo?I think that's too much for a 30 years old player!


Jim nice AVATAR!!!!!!

Bosniaco
26-11-2006, 20:19
Seeing as I can't watch my swearing, my post has been edited.

I love Liverpool, and that they are going for a player who Milan want. I'm so happy I want to cry.

lked
26-11-2006, 21:31
We are the club with best chances to sign Amelia i think .. and about Tavano i'm not sure if we have to try get him in January IMO he can't change anything and our strikers will be on form soon Oliveria :evil: already is .. just need more luck

FORZA MILAN !

Jeff
26-11-2006, 23:41
We are the club with best chances to sign Amelia i think .. and about Tavano i'm not sure if we have to try get him in January IMO he can't change anything and our strikers will be on form soon Oliveria :evil: already is .. just need more luck

FORZA MILAN !

If Dida chooses to stay, however, it's unlikely that he'll come in my opinion. A loan GK will come perhaps in Janurary, but I"m not optimistic.

joumasepoes
26-11-2006, 23:47
Milan now want to sign Marco van Basten to help in their striker crisis. Err wait are we going to sign him as coach or player because accordding to our standars he is still old enough.

Pireloke
27-11-2006, 08:34
Milan now want to sign Marco van Basten to help in their striker crisis. Err wait are we going to sign him as coach or player because accordding to our standars he is still old enough.

You must mean "young enough", he scored a nice goal in Albertini's farewell match against Barcelona last year, he still has the killer instinct :)

rosoneri_11
27-11-2006, 15:13
Hey whats going on Maldini first said he will retire at the end of this season and today he told that he is open to extend his carrier at milan!Thats funny things!He is 39!I know that he is our captain but he has to retire and milan to sign a good replacement for him!
when i see maldini or Costacurta playing for milan i feel like an idiot fan!
THEY MUST RETIRE FROM FOOTBALL!FOR THE GOOD OF MILAN!

We need new players!Look at the other big teams no one has a 39 or 41 years old player!That is joke!

Mystik
27-11-2006, 15:42
It doesn't matter what age the player is..as long as he can give a good performance then why does it matter how old the guy is? If he starts being a liabilty and costs us matches then that's another case. But right now he's really motivating the team. Kaka himself said..when Capitano is on the field..you can't give anything less than your best.

NAMMY
27-11-2006, 15:53
I wouldn't mind if Costacurta retired (or maybe play on if we were doing a bit better, less risk), but I feel Maldini has shown he can still perform.

ACMILAN1983
27-11-2006, 17:07
Hey whats going on Maldini first said he will retire at the end of this season and today he told that he is open to extend his carrier at milan!Thats funny things!He is 39!I know that he is our captain but he has to retire and milan to sign a good replacement for him!
when i see maldini or Costacurta playing for milan i feel like an idiot fan!
THEY MUST RETIRE FROM FOOTBALL!FOR THE GOOD OF MILAN!

We need new players!Look at the other big teams no one has a 39 or 41 years old player!That is joke!

I disagree. At this point I see very very little reason for Maldini to retire unless he is certain he has had enough. We definately don't need to forcefully retire him, because right now I feel no certainty with the performance of our defence except for him. His age is insignificant as far as I'm concerned.

mrki
27-11-2006, 17:33
Paolo is our captain, and a great player, and it is a shamefull situation that he hasnt won Golden Ball in his career, but...... Aldough he plays some good football, its clear he cant jump no more, he loses practically every dangerous duel from sharp cross. Maldini is a wonder player, and we shouldnt force him to retire, but he is not good as Nesta and Kaladze anymore. We should use him in some occasions, like we used to use Billy few years ago.

Vadim
27-11-2006, 17:38
Hey whats going on Maldini first said he will retire at the end of this season and today he told that he is open to extend his carrier at milan!Thats funny things!He is 39!I know that he is our captain but he has to retire and milan to sign a good replacement for him!
when i see maldini or Costacurta playing for milan i feel like an idiot fan!
THEY MUST RETIRE FROM FOOTBALL!FOR THE GOOD OF MILAN!


If you feel like an idiot when you see San Paolo on the field... I have nothing to say to you.

nefremo
27-11-2006, 18:48
Hey whats going on Maldini first said he will retire at the end of this season and today he told that he is open to extend his carrier at milan!Thats funny things!He is 39!I know that he is our captain but he has to retire and milan to sign a good replacement for him!
when i see maldini or Costacurta playing for milan i feel like an idiot fan!
THEY MUST RETIRE FROM FOOTBALL!FOR THE GOOD OF MILAN!

We need new players!Look at the other big teams no one has a 39 or 41 years old player!That is joke!


Maldini has been our best player on the field for a few games now, and how can u even say that.
WHEN I SEE MALDINI AND BILLY ON THE FIELD I AM PROUD THAT I AM A MILAN FAN. I CAN'T BELIVE WHAT I AM READING! This two have the heart of all the player gathered together. Re-think about what you just said man!

Forza Billi!
Forza MALDINI!!!
Forza Milan!!!

joumasepoes
27-11-2006, 23:53
Hey whats going on Maldini first said he will retire at the end of this season and today he told that he is open to extend his carrier at milan!Thats funny things!He is 39!I know that he is our captain but he has to retire and milan to sign a good replacement for him!
when i see maldini or Costacurta playing for milan i feel like an idiot fan!
THEY MUST RETIRE FROM FOOTBALL!FOR THE GOOD OF MILAN!

We need new players!Look at the other big teams no one has a 39 or 41 years old player!That is joke!
He He! Imagine a scientist from 20 years ago building a time machine. He goes to present time and he sees Maldini and Costacorta still playing for Milan. He then realises that his time machine doesnt work so he bashes it up and loses out on 20 years... All because Maldini and Billy hasnt retired

Red&Black
28-11-2006, 00:44
Hey whats going on Maldini first said he will retire at the end of this season and today he told that he is open to extend his carrier at milan!Thats funny things!He is 39!I know that he is our captain but he has to retire and milan to sign a good replacement for him!
when i see maldini or Costacurta playing for milan i feel like an idiot fan!
THEY MUST RETIRE FROM FOOTBALL!FOR THE GOOD OF MILAN!

We need new players!Look at the other big teams no one has a 39 or 41 years old player!That is joke!


I can't believe you said that. Maldini has just scored a much needed goal for us. And he is still one of the solid centre back we have. Not to mention that he is the man to give the team inspiration during the difficult time. How can we get rid of him at this point in time. Not until he can't play football.

I remember when Real released Hierro after they won the Liga. The whole defence just collapse immediately. Couldn't recover until now. Although he wasn't as good as he once was in his final year with Real, but his present was so important to the team due to his influence. No matter how many good defender they bought they still couldn't fix the problem. I still think it was a mistake to get rid of Morientes and Hierro.

Milan has already lost a influencial character at the front line (Sheva), we can't afford to lose our captain at the back now (not until he can't deliver). Otherwise we will be like Real a few years ago but worse because our management is not buying any good replacement. Don't get me wrong, I agree we should buy new young defenders, I just don't want to get rid of our captain at the moment.

Can't believe Cannarvaro won the Golden Ball and our captain never won it. This is B.S.

Red&Black
28-11-2006, 00:59
I just saw that we are linked with Beckham on Tribalfootball and he may even come as early as January. I know it is an unreliable source, but I think this is not a bad idea, as we need some one to fill in Gattuso's position for the next few months. especially no one can really give a good cross from the right when Cafu is not playing. So I think this will be a good interim solution. However one downside is that he cannot play in the Champions League.

nefremo
28-11-2006, 01:19
Yea, I read the Beckham stuff as well. But........NO BECKHAM PLEASE! I actually had no problem with him comming a few years ago while he was still in Manchester but now it is too late. We should be looking forward not back to an overrated Beckham. His whole career has been overrated as he has always been better on the pictures then on the field and that is not a good sign.

rosoneri_11
28-11-2006, 05:08
All right guys!if you all think that maldini and costacurta must not retire........then i had nothing to say!


If they can mark players like eto'o,drogba,torres,villa,henry,robben,joke cole,ronaldinho,messi(not with foul)..........................................then they must sign a new 5 years contract with milan!
Wee dont need barzagli or terry or Chivu!We are complete!
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Some of you said "How can you said that about them"!
All the world is talking negative that milan is a club with many players more than 30+ years old!
If you feel proud about this,i cant understand you!
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But you should realised that milan this year and last, plays a bad football!They aren't good!I had many years form anyone to hear that milan playes good football!
We need big refresh!
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Real sign marcelo as a replacement for r.carlos!Thats great!
And maldini said he thinks to extend his carrier!I think thats funny things for a club like milan!
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i think you undestood my point?

hitmannq8
28-11-2006, 05:17
Here's the latest rumours of today:

Belletti's brother/agent says that they did receive an offer from Milan. They are studying all their offers but the first choice for them is to stay at Barca.

Galliani comes out and says that Milan will try to sign (surprise surprise) Toni in January, and our options in goal keeping are Amelia, Sorrentino and then Buffon. He also said Kaka wont leave because he is a symbol of Milan and will be the captain of Milan after Maldini retires..

Making Kaka a captain is a wrong move IMO but if thats what it takes to keep him then let it be.

Graeme C
28-11-2006, 06:03
Other names were linked today

Milan want Zambrotta.. zambrotta wants italy return...

Felipe, Zauri

heard a english story, that Mourinho is tired of sheva, and that chelsea are now after david villa to replace him...

zlatanov
28-11-2006, 07:09
All right guys!if you all think that maldini and costacurta must not retire........then i had nothing to say!


If they can mark players like eto'o,drogba,torres,villa,henry,robben,joke cole,ronaldinho,messi(not with foul)..........................................then they must sign a new 5 years contract with milan!
Wee dont need barzagli or terry or Chivu!We are complete!
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Some of you said "How can you said that about them"!
All the world is talking negative that milan is a club with many players more than 30+ years old!
If you feel proud about this,i cant understand you!
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But you should realised that milan this year and last, plays a bad football!They aren't good!I had many years form anyone to hear that milan playes good football!
We need big refresh!
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Real sign marcelo as a replacement for r.carlos!Thats great!
And maldini said he thinks to extend his carrier!I think thats funny things for a club like milan!
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i think you undestood my point?

where did all the sharpness in this world go?
you still don't get it do you? It wasn't your desire to see Maldini and Billy retire that prompted that response from other members. it was the poor - pathetic, I might say - choice of words that you used.
I am sure that there isn't a single fan here who wouldn't want to see billy retire after this year ... in fact, most would say that his career lasted 1 year too many. More or less the same goes for Maldini although I think he could last one more season if he thinks he could make it physically.
Either way, however, hardly anyone would say that it's a shame Maldini and Billy still play for Milan or that players who have been involved in 20 years worth of Milan history are shaming the club with their presence on this team or whatever sharp remark you came up with ...
Peace

Tony29.
28-11-2006, 08:57
Guys, i'm sorry for this off topic question, but this was the only thread where my question wouldn't have been totally off topic :

How reliable Corriere dello sport is ?
Because both Corriere and Tuttosport came out with a news that Inter just offered Adriano + 20 M Euro for Buffon. They say negotiations started few days ago but Juve blocked everything until summer.

Thanx !

mrki
28-11-2006, 08:58
I'll try to count all the latest news, sorry if I repeat some of them from previous posts:

1. We did make an offer to Beletti, but it looks like he will stay in Barca.
2. We want Oddo and are offering Bonera or Simic + 5 mil. The talks are onder way.... Oddo isnt happy with new money balance in Lazio.
3. We are also interested in Felipe, his agent has confirmed.
4. Zauri....not good enough.....
5. I've heard about Toni....please make this happen Galliani........
6. Lucas, young Brazilian CM.
Thats about it, for today :)

I dont know about Zambrotta, and I dont think its sossible to buy him untill summer. Sorrentino could be our way to Amelia becouse Livorno wants money + keeper for him. Let Gigi stay in Juve, he is Juventino and is almost 30. aLdough he is the best GK in the world. So if we can, by some miracle, get Toni and Oddo and Lucas.......we are more than fine for the second half of the season....

zlatanov
28-11-2006, 09:06
Guys, i'm sorry for this off topic question, but this was the only thread where my question wouldn't have been totally off topic :

How reliable Corriere dello sport is ?
Because both Corriere and Tuttosport came out with a news that Inter just offered Adriano + 20 M Euro for Buffon. They say negotiations started few days ago but Juve blocked everything until summer.

Thanx !
not very reliable if you ask me. Corriere are more or less the Roman version of TuttoSport - hence don't read, don't ask, don't tell :diablo:

Plus, if Inter were to sell Adriano, even now in this difficult for him moment, they would be able to get a good 30 mil from Real or Barca or the likes (count Chelski in too given Sheva's failure to impress over there).
So, if the rumour were for a straight swap Adriano for Buffon, it would have had some credibility in it, I think, but Adriano+20 mil for Buffon ... it just sounds too unrealistic and crazy even for a transfer guru-wanna-be like Moratti.

Tony29.
28-11-2006, 09:38
not very reliable if you ask me. Corriere are more or less the Roman version of TuttoSport - hence don't read, don't ask, don't tell :diablo:

Plus, if Inter were to sell Adriano, even now in this difficult for him moment, they would be able to get a good 30 mil from Real or Barca or the likes (count Chelski in too given Sheva's failure to impress over there).
So, if the rumour were for a straight swap Adriano for Buffon, it would have had some credibility in it, I think, but Adriano+20 mil for Buffon ... it just sounds too unrealistic and crazy even for a transfer guru-wanna-be like Moratti.
Thanx Zlatanov !
Eh, if it's up to me i wouldn't have accepted even 100 M + Adriano for Buffon, but it's getting really annoying to see Buffon more and more connected to Inter lately.
What worries me even more is that Tuttosport also wrote about this , and as much unreliable they are, i have to give them the credit for being the first ones who said Vieira and Zlatan will go to Inter, Zambro in Barcelona, Mutu in Fiorentina and Canna in Real M.

Warro Bantan
28-11-2006, 09:45
Offering Bonera or Simic for Oddo for me is a joke. (nothing directed at you mrki, as u are only reporting info that you read). He is old (30+?), and I think Bonera has potential. Simic is too multi-functional to let go (dont believe I would ever type those words! :D ), and for Oddo? Not a good deal in my view.

Tony29.
28-11-2006, 10:09
Simic is too multi-functional to let go (dont believe I would ever type those words! :D ), and for Oddo? Not a good deal in my view.
As Croatian most capped player of all time, and as a player who gives everything when he wears the NT jersey, i have nothing but huge respect for Šimić. Like you said, he's a versatile defender who plays full-back, sweeper and central defender. But he's 31 and he doesn't deserves to be benched most of the time.
And atm, he can offer much less than Oddo, who's a year younger than Dario .
Oddo ( don't forget he spent 3 years in Milan youth clubs, and was a Milan player who was being loaned all the time since 1995-2000, before his contract with Milan ended and he went to Verona) is in life form atm. Plays attack and defence with same passion and quality, and he can cover ( attacking wise) the RB position, which isn't well covered atm in Milan.

You know better than me what's best for Milan, but if Lazio accepts straight swap Šimić --> Oddo ( not very possibile, tho),or even Šimić+money for Oddo, then i wouldn't hesitate much, and i'd be all for it !

Warro Bantan
28-11-2006, 12:38
I dont know actually, whats better...but I just think that we shouldnt let Simic leave, especially when he can cover so many positions...Oddo can only play RB...and I would love for him to come over to us, but not at the expense of Simic or Bonera

hitmannq8
28-11-2006, 14:13
Dont understand why we are going for Belletti when there is Alves.

zlatanov
28-11-2006, 15:45
cause belletti will be a free agent, I believe, while Alves would cost 15-20 mil and that's if Sevilla agree to sell him and he wants to come to Milan ... he refused us once already.

tardissun
28-11-2006, 16:02
if Lazio accepts straight swap Šimić --> Oddo ( not very possibile, tho),or even Šimić+money for Oddo, then i wouldn't hesitate much, and i'd be all for it !

While that may all be true, I'd rather keep Simic and sign a younger RB. There seems to be a lot of Oddo fans, but to be honest, he never impressed me that much. I would like someone who can grow into the role, not someone who is going to be retired in 4 years.

Really, that's my only gripe about Milan. Signing 30+ year old players. Most of whom are on free transfer. (Ok, so that's not entirely true, but it sometimes feels like it)

Jim_UK
28-11-2006, 17:11
i don't care if belletti is a free agent or not, he's an average defender at best and not the quality of player we need.

there must be far better options out there.

zlatanov
28-11-2006, 17:21
trust me, Milan cares even less what player fans at MM want or think Milan should sign :sagrin:
seriously though, I also think that there are better choices than Belletti out there, although I wouldn't say that he is a complete tragedy either.

Although I could see why Milan would choose him over Alvez or Miguel - let's face it, 15-20 mil isn't cheap by no means not to mention that their current clubs aren't exactly thrilled to let them go - I still think that both Reveillere and Oddo (Belletti is also 30 yo) are at least as good, if not better, and should be available at far more reasonable prices than Alves or Miguel.
Zambrotta could also be seen as an option at RB.
But lets see what happens, just because we are interested in Belletti, it doesn't mean we'll necessarily get him or intend to use him as a first choise RB - after all, a free agent won't hurt Milan's wallet.

rosoneri_11
29-11-2006, 06:40
I hope milan to sign felipe!
He is 21 or 22 years old,and he is great defender!
For me he is 100 times better of Barzagli!
I think he can be the next Lucio!

kris
29-11-2006, 08:51
He is 22 years old and he is IMO not as good as Barzagli and nothing in his playing style reminds me off Lucio. I seen him been burned by many players and are quite reserved about him.

Egoistka
29-11-2006, 08:56
Guys, I ll post it in this thread as well...
"The Sun" newspaper and gazzetta both write about it:
"Sheva's switch to Milan in Jan
CHELSEA are considering allowing Andriy Shevchenko to go out on loan in January.

Sheva’s former club AC Milan is the most likely destination — but Blues boss Jose Mourinho will let the Ukrainian switch only after the club have secured a replacement for the £30million flop.

Mourinho has lost patience with Shevchenko, 30, who has bagged just three Premiership goals this term — costing £10m apiece.

Officials in Milan have indicated they would welcome Sheva back with open arms.

The Italian club would also be prepared to pay his salary for the six-month loan spell, which would be granted by Chelsea for ‘personal reasons.’

Sheva’s wife Kristin is said to be struggling to settle in England with their two small children and a return to Italy — where the Ukrainian spent seven years — would ease the pressure.

But a permanent move would not be on the table as Chelsea owner Roman Abramovich is hopeful 68-cap Sheva will want to return next season and prove himself.

As SunSport revealed yesterday, Valencia’s David Villa would be Mourinho’s man to replace Sheva.

But the Spaniards are doing their best to warn Chelsea off.

Chairman Juan Soler insisted: “We have no intention of selling David.

“But should any club be interested, they could sit down and negotiate his buy-out clause — which is currently £100million.”"

"Shove over Shev
JOSE MOURINHO wants Spain striker David Villa to replace £30million flop Andriy Shevchenko.

The Chelsea boss has run out of patience with Sheva and will try to land £22m Valencia ace Villa in the January transfer window.

Mourinho has had Villa watched 10 TIMES this season. A source at the Spanish club said: “We’ve got to know Chelsea scout Juan Sol well as he has been to Valencia regularly to watch David Villa.

“But Chelsea have already been warned we don’t want to sell.”

Mourinho knows he has to act now after Shevchenko’s inept display in the 1-1 draw at Manchester United on Saturday.

Chelsea chief scout Frank Arnesen saw Villa in Champions League action last week, accompanied by the club’s Spanish scout, Sol.

Villa, 25 this Saturday, would be ineligible for Chelsea’s Champions League campaign.

But Mourinho is still desperate to land him to take the pressure off Didier Drogba and boost the club’s chances of landing a hat-trick of Premiership titles.

He tried to sign Villa last summer — but Valencia rejected a £15m offer.

The Valencia hero exploded out of nowhere last season to bag 25 goals in 35 La Liga appearances.

Villa — nicknamed El Guaje ‘The Kid’ — is now one of the most feared strikers in European football. "

I feel very excited. If it ll be so, if Sheva really comes back - then it is just great! As we need someone who knows how to play in Milan, who we know can save our souls this year...Sheva is for sure the only one, as he doesnt need to settle or get used.

Tas
29-11-2006, 09:24
While that may all be true, I'd rather keep Simic and sign a younger RB. There seems to be a lot of Oddo fans, but to be honest, he never impressed me that much. I would like someone who can grow into the role, not someone who is going to be retired in 4 years.

Really, that's my only gripe about Milan. Signing 30+ year old players. Most of whom are on free transfer. (Ok, so that's not entirely true, but it sometimes feels like it)

Age is not a factor in todays football, skill is. A younger player can be just as good as a more experienced one. And vice-versa. Milan is a top level club, so we need players who can perform at the top level in the very first game they play and there shouldn't be time for players to learn how to play at ACM. But both older and younger players need some time to adapt to a new team and learn the teams style of play. Only then can they give the team their best. So, what's bad with siging an experienced proffesional? You know exactly for how long they gonna be here, in the time they are going to be here you know they'll adapt quickly and with few mistakes. It just comes down to pure enjoyment. Sit back, relax and watch how smart, calm and relaxed play can overcome any obstacle. It's so nice to see annoying young players get beaten by their more experienced opponents :hihihi: it'll be very hard to forget last season when Stam played RB. For me, that is the 'imbodyment' of the good side of signing experienced players. For example, who would you rather sign, Alves or Rafinha as they are now, or the Cafu of three years ago? :confused: I'd sign Cafu, and :w200:

Even if they fail, (I donno -- example Favalli :zany: ) there is always someone who can step in. However, a 'failed' signing always reflects on a season. Id send Simic + 5M to Lazio for Oddo. Milan has Nesta, Bonera and Billy to cover those positions. Next season, if Billy and Maldini retire one could add a primavera defender and convince Cafu along with Serginho to stay for another season, and voila - the defense is rebuild.

zlatanov
29-11-2006, 10:05
He is 22 years old and he is IMO not as good as Barzagli and nothing in his playing style reminds me off Lucio. I seen him been burned by many players and are quite reserved about him.
agree with kris on Felipe. While the Brazilian is still relatively young and can improve and develope a lot in the years to come, right now he is hardly showing even signs of having the potential to ever become something more than just a good defender.
Given his rather average perfomances - often just plain bad - I am amazed that the top clubs in Italy are rumoured to be very interested in him ... not really sure what they see in him at this point in time.

rosoneri_11
30-11-2006, 03:42
Man Utd to include Silvestre in Torres offer
tribalfooball.com - November 29, 2006

Manchester United may offer Mikael Silvestre in a bid for Atletico Madrid strike ace Fernando Torres.
The Manchester Evening News says Atletico have been reluctant to sell and want around £25 million, but the possibility of Silvestre being involved in the deal could be tempting for the Spanish outfit and the out-of-favour defender.

The Frenchman has slipped down the pecking order at United since Nemanja Vidic established himself as Rio Ferdinand's defensive partner, and Patrice Evra and Gabriel Heinze have been contesting the left-back role.

A January move to La Liga would interest Silvestre even though he remains up for the challenge at United.

He said: "I would like to discover a new style of play. I've done Italy in the colours of Inter, England in the United jersey - all that's left for me is Spain."

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What is doing Milan about this??????????????

rosoneri_11
30-11-2006, 05:15
AC Milan target Belletti commits to Barcelona
tribalfooball.com - November 30, 2006

Defender Juliano Belletti has revealed he's ready to sign a new deal with Barcelona.
The Brazilian is the subject of interest of AC Milan, but he said: "I'm happy here at Barca. Indeed, I want to find an agreement with the club so I can soon sign a new contract. I know the club is very keen to make that happen.

"When the Milan interest was made public, people have told me to ignore it. I'm delighted by that response and I have no doubts about staying here."

kris
30-11-2006, 05:40
What is doing Milan about this??????????????

What should we do? We neither want nor need any of the players mentioned in the article.

rosoneri_11
30-11-2006, 06:32
What should we do? We neither want nor need any of the players mentioned in the article.

Thats your opinion!Dont use WE!

dejan.s
30-11-2006, 07:28
Because of the stupid italian rules (one non-EU player per year), moderators should end every post about non-EU players.
Andriy is Chelsea's player and want come back. Sorry guys :-(

Let talk about EU players.
Gerrard, Torres, Close, any young Frenchmen (they are ACMilan target according Galliani) or somebody else...

Warro Bantan
30-11-2006, 08:16
rosoneri 11....calm down.

First, tribalfootball is one of the sites that provides the most lies, and unfounded rumors on the internet....its simply 30% true what they publish.

Thats all I have to say on the matter.

Horia CRINA
30-11-2006, 08:28
First, tribalfootball is one of the sites that provides the most lies, and unfounded rumors on the internet....its simply 30% true what they publish.

Thats all I have to say on the matter.

that's the bussines|can I get a wittnes

kris
30-11-2006, 08:45
Thats your opinion!Dont use WE!

Obviously I post my opinion, I would think that is quite clear. When I say that "we don't need", then I say that I don't think Milan need that thing. Milan is within "we" sphere for me.

Jim_UK
30-11-2006, 11:39
I've seen rumours of us looking seriously at Diego Simeone! I almost threw up!!!!!

zlatanov
30-11-2006, 11:43
I've seen rumours of us looking seriously at Diego Simeone! I almost threw up!!!!!
you mean like 10 years ago :diablo:

Tony29.
30-11-2006, 11:44
I've seen rumours of us looking seriously at Diego Simeone! I almost threw up!!!!!
The Diego Simeone or his son ? Because the Diego Simeone is 36 (and a 1/2) and is retired. Even Milan wouldn't buy him !!!

:) :D

Maybe it was ment to get him as future manager. He's managing Estudiantes in Argentina now !

zlatanov
30-11-2006, 11:52
Even Milan wouldn't buy him !!!

:) :D

You mean EVEN you wouldn't bet on it? :D :ilol:

Tony29.
30-11-2006, 12:01
You mean EVEN you wouldn't bet on it? :D :ilol:

:gun: Stop it ! People will think i'm addicted to betting, which is ....viarno :D

Jim_UK
30-11-2006, 12:21
well yeah ... in a managerial position :rollani:

joumasepoes
30-11-2006, 12:46
milan want to sign Steven Gerrard In january. They probably want to reattempt a bid because of the mf scandal previous time around. Gerrard would at the very least make a world class midfield

Milan_Mad
30-11-2006, 12:49
milan want to sign Steven Gerrard In january. They probably want to reattempt a bid because of the mf scandal previous time around. Gerrard would at the very least make a world class midfieldGerrard's a top game player i think he could help Pirlos form alot! with Pirlo, Gerrard, Gattuso, Kaka in the midfield we would have the best in the world we would just need a RB and a CF imo

vlado
30-11-2006, 18:59
Wow, we will have the best team in the world after January transfer period...Look at all these names of the rumours: Ronaldinho, Buffon, Gerrard, Totti, Oddo, Diego, Huligan, Gago, Iniesta ilisinho, belleti, Shevchenko, Drogba...Wow, i'm impressed...

kris
01-12-2006, 03:47
milan want to sign Steven Gerrard In january. They probably want to reattempt a bid because of the mf scandal previous time around. Gerrard would at the very least make a world class midfield

would be great, but it won't happen and even less likely to happen in January. Again we are talking about a cuptied player.

ac-milan
01-12-2006, 03:59
Wow, we will have the best team in the world after January transfer period...Look at all these names of the rumours: Ronaldinho, Buffon, Gerrard, Totti, Oddo, Diego, Huligan, Gago, Iniesta ilisinho, belleti, Shevchenko, Drogba...Wow, i'm impressed...

Lol :)) And for that team u will need 200 milion...

Kaka1899
01-12-2006, 04:24
yeah and alot of guts to aproach them all! :ilol:

Tony29.
01-12-2006, 07:17
http://www.goal.com/it/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=176201

Many talks about this since last week on Juventus' forums, but i think there was nothing here about young Juve player Criscito comming to Milan. (sorry if you allready discussed it and i've missed it)

Actually, Criscito is now a Genoa player, and i believe Genoa also bought half of his contract from Juve. I watched him once this year, and i'd really want him to stay in Juve. His original position is right back, but he rocks on CD position this year.
He's 19 years old.

At first, when this rumour came out last week, we all thought it was just another "not gonna happen" rumour, but one Juventino from Italy claims Criscito is "allready a Milan player" and he'll join Milan in January ! :)
( i think he got this from Italian media, or so)

zlatanov
01-12-2006, 07:18
Lol :)) And for that team u will need 200 milion...
200 mil? yeah, if they are on sale for Christmas ... and you would still need a whole bunch of 50% off coupons. :D :ilol:

zlatanov
01-12-2006, 07:24
http://www.goal.com/it/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=176201

Many talks about this since last week on Juventus' forums, but i think there was nothing here about young Juve player Criscito comming to Milan. (sorry if you allready discussed it and i've missed it)

Actually, Criscito is now a Genoa player, and i believe Genoa also bought half of his contract from Juve. I watched him once this year, and i'd really want him to stay in Juve. His original position is right back, but he rocks on CD position this year.
He's 19 years old.

At first, when this rumour came out last week, we all thought it was just another "not gonna happen" rumour, but one Juventino from Italy claims Criscito is "allready a Milan player" and he'll join Milan in January ! :)
( i think he got this from Italian media, or so)

it's always a pleasure to know that Juve primavera are dreaming of Milan. :D
Haven't heard of the guy but things could be very different in 2-3 years ;)

Tony29.
01-12-2006, 07:34
it's always a pleasure to know that Juve primavera are dreaming of Milan. :D
Haven't heard of the guy but things could be very different in 2-3 years ;)
I hope he'll make it, cause i loved the way he handled things in defence on that match i watched him. He has the talent and it will be a shame if he won't suceed, no matter where !
The thing is, Galliani is having talks with Genoa only, and Milan is now after Genoa's half of Criscito. There weren't talks with Juve yet. At least, i haven't read anything about it !

zlatanov
01-12-2006, 07:43
Maybe because Galliani already knows what the answer would be :fero: :D

mrki
01-12-2006, 12:39
Some "whispers" are suggesting that Milan sees Alves as ideal replacement for Cafu. Too good to be true. Actually, Im pretty sad that everytime some great player is being mentioned with Milan, we all know its not gonna happen. It shouldnt be like that!

ramo23
01-12-2006, 12:43
Galliani says that he wants 3 youth players in the 25 man squad for next yr, and that number will increase to 4 or 5 in yrs coming. If we use the Barca model and can get talents like Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, and De lo Santos, then I am all for it, but easier said than done. I keep on waiting for young Italian players or even just youngsters playing in Italy, to take serie a by storm, but nobody is on the horizon. A couple of yrs ago, we tried our luck buying dalla bonna, donati, de ascentis, even foggia, this past season, but for some reason, none have stayed in Milan. Ambro, I believe is the last youth team player to make a lasting impact. What happened to Lunati, Abate, Aubamayeng (I know there are a couple of them, but I think his name was Catalina), or even Pozzi. Marzoratti seems promising, so that's good, but what of the young fwd Pozzi? Will he follow in the saudati, comandini, and boriello footsteps, or is he a real player?
I see that milanmania has a lot of fans from eastern europe, so this question goes out to all of them. I remember that the east produced many great players including savicejic and boban. Over the last few yrs, i haven't heard of any exciting players coming out of the balkans. Krancjar, I liked, but he is languishing in Pourtsmouth right now. Are there any exciting players there?
If we are going to spend less and rely on youth players, then our spending should focus on difference makers, and the one I see, who is still young, is Daniel Alves. Spend the 18-20 million for him, double his salary, throw in a beautiful supermodel :) and get him to hold down the right flank for the next 5-6 yrs.
I know everyone feels doom and gloom right now because we are not playing well, lost sheva, have an old team, and are scared that kaka could leave, but we have signed a couple of good young players over the last 5 yrs, but we need more of that. A proactive approach would be greatly appreciated in these times.
Finally, I hate to admit this, but for serie A to regain its luster, and I really hate to admit this, but we need a strong Juve back. We need fiorentina and lazio to be financially healthy and spending, and we need teams like Napoli and Genoa back in Serie A. It's good torino, a historical club, is back to A, but if Serie A has Milan, Inter, Juve, Roma, Fiorentina, Napoli, Lazio, Palermo, Parma, Samp and Genoa back in A and playing well and being financially solvent, then serie A would boast the best 10-11 teams of any league, and the top talents, be it coaches or players, would be fighting to come and Milan would have players begging to wear the red and black instead of being linked to Montella (a good friend of mine, a roma fan calls him merdella) and other players past their prime. Can it happen, yes, will it happen? In Italy, there is a better chance of ***s flying!!!

Tony75
01-12-2006, 13:06
Galliani says that he wants 3 youth players in the 25 man squad for next yr, and that number will increase to 4 or 5 in yrs coming. If we use the Barca model and can get talents like Xavi, Iniesta, Messi, and De lo Santos, then I am all for it, but easier said than done. I keep on waiting for young Italian players or even just youngsters playing in Italy, to take serie a by storm, but nobody is on the horizon. A couple of yrs ago, we tried our luck buying dalla bonna, donati, de ascentis, even foggia, this past season, but for some reason, none have stayed in Milan. Ambro, I believe is the last youth team player to make a lasting impact. What happened to Lunati, Abate, Aubamayeng (I know there are a couple of them, but I think his name was Catalina), or even Pozzi. Marzoratti seems promising, so that's good, but what of the young fwd Pozzi? Will he follow in the saudati, comandini, and boriello footsteps, or is he a real player?

Ambro was signed from Cesena.
Lunati is still playing for our youth team, Abate at Napoli i think, Aubameyang the snr is also on load too, don't know where. Pozzi plays usually as sub for Empoli where Marzoratti reguarly plays.

The problem in Italy is the pressure the players are placed under. If a youngsters does well he's the next Baggio, Nesta, Mlaldini. If he doesn't do so well, then he's crap period. There's no in between for the players to develop and learn.

Tony29.
01-12-2006, 14:39
I see that milanmania has a lot of fans from eastern europe, so this question goes out to all of them. I remember that the east produced many great players including savicejic and boban. Over the last few yrs, i haven't heard of any exciting players coming out of the balkans. Krancjar, I liked, but he is languishing in Pourtsmouth right now. Are there any exciting players there?

This deserves a longer post :)
I'll concentrate on the Balkans, because in last 15-20 years most of these great E.European players you're talking about (apart from Sheva) were all comming from the Balkans (i put players like Nedved, Poborsky or Rosicky aside, since Czech Republic is more of a central european country).

In mid 70's and the 80's Yugoslavia was not just another Commie country. Yugoslavia, thanx to it's geographical position, was always between the west and the east. Money were comming both from USA, Western Europe and the USSR. That "neutrality" made living there much better than in Poland, Bulgaria, Romania etc. Many rich people lived there, and most of the money were invested in sports ( team sports most of all).
So, the players born in the 60's and 70's had everything that was needed to succeed. They had the talent, and the money that were invested in their development. It was a guarantee for success, and success came.
When i say success came, i don't mean just Red Star winning the Champions cup, but i think mostly about " the lost generation".
The "lost generation" ( or "Chile generation" as we called them) was a group of 20-25 players, born between 1968-1970. Lots of money were invested in these players development. The best coaches trained them, the best teams gave them the chance to play first league football when they were only 17-18 years old. Those players were together since the age of 10-12, and it resulted with them winning the World Youth championship in 1987. Some of them were instrumental in Red Star winning the CL in 1991.
But then the war came, 6 new countries were created, and they (the players from this generation) all started playing for their new countries, which prevented the world from one generation winning everything :(
Most of these players were Croats, and they were the main players in Croatian team that won 3rd place at WC 1998. Suker (Sevilla, Real Madrid, Arsenal) , Boban ( Milan), Prosinecki ( Real , Barcelona etc) Jarni (Betis, Real Madrid), Boksic (Marselle, Juve, Lazio etc), Stimac and Bilic.
But many of them weren't Croats. Mijatovic (Valencia, Real Madrid) was from Montenegro and he was maybe best Real player in 1998 when Real won the first CL after 30 years. Jugovic and Mihajlovic were Serbs... Jugovic, together with Del Piero, Vialli, Ravanelli was the best Juve player in 1996 generation that became european club champion. Mihajlovic was terrific in Sampdoria and Lazio.
There were many more classy players who were 2-3 years older than the ones mentioned above, who also had the chance to work in perfect conditions and who made it, such as Savicevic, Stojkovic, Pancev etc.

Bulgaria and Romania weren't as rich as Yugoslavia, but lot ( and i mean LOT) of money were invested in football during the communism. That's why players like Gheorghe Hagi, Hristo Stoichkov, Balakov, Lechkov, Popescu, Petrescu or Kostadinov had so much success with their NT's or the clubs they were at ( and those were the best european clubs)

But then, during the war in Yugoslavia, it was impossibile to think about football, and that's the main reason why Yugoslavia ( apart from Dejan Stankovic) didn't give world class players anymore. After the fall of communism in Bulgaria, Romania and Poland, money weren't invested in football, and that explains why these countries didn't give a top class player to the world.
Of course, there were good players born in the 70's or early 80's , like Chivu, Mutu, Vidic, Berbatov, S.Petrov and my favourite Martin Petrov, but they are all far behind their football ancestors.

Now, when situation is getting stabilized, i expect many more world class players to come from these countries. The generations born in mid 80's still feel the consequences of what was happening in the 90's, and that's why we can't expect much from them eather ( although some players are really promising, such as Niko Kranjcar, Valeri Bojinov, Luka Modric, Mirko Vucinic, Goran Pandev, and some of them allready made it : Zlatan Ibrahimovic f.e , although he plays for Sweden :)).

So, i think i answered your question why you haven't heard about some rising stars from Eastern Europe. Imo, there won't be many of them in following 3-4 years, but with Poland and Slovenia in the EU, with Romania, Bulgaria or Croatia close to EU, and with things getting better in Serbia, Bosnia, Montenegro and Macedonia, i'm absolutely sure we'll see a lot of young and exciting players comming from Eastern Europe, who'll repeat the success of Savicevic, Stoichkov, Suker, Boban and the others !

GL !

zlatanov
01-12-2006, 16:09
great post, Tony :5ok:

mrki
01-12-2006, 16:43
After the Sweden against Croatia match in Qualifier for WC 2006, Ibrahimivić said that "those Balkan people" are not playing real football, but just faking fouls on the pitch. It was quite funny to listen to him saying that and few hours before you could see him swearing after missing a goal chance on Croatian language. So Croatian sport papers called him Zlatan Ibrahimsson, since "obviously" he is not from Balkans. :)

One name is now specially interesting, and that is forward Rukavina who plays for Šibenik. In the last 8 rounds Marseille was in there to scout him but it is said that Lyon has made a first option on him as they see him as their new investment up front.

And when I think about all those players that won 3rd place for Croatia in 98 WC, I really wish we now have Šuker playing for Milan. We wouldnt have any problems scoring from any positions...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ktd-M-Vtdw&mode=related&search=

:)

Dr Milano
01-12-2006, 18:18
marn its getting soo annoying these days ...

a loan for montella - :eek:

why dont milan just go for .. Miroslav Klose or Huntelaar ... thier 2 good strikers .... who we need end off

marcovb
02-12-2006, 07:47
great post, Tony :5ok:

I agree

I have to say that i read on calciomercato something about new Chivu
Radu Serban from Dinamo Bucharest
Juve is interested in signing him

Tony29.
06-12-2006, 06:38
Rumour from Tuttomercato !

La voce circola nell'ambiente pallonaro da qualche settimana. Il Milan ha bisogno di un attaccante di valore internazionale, che possa far dimenticare definitivamente la partenza di Shevchenko. La Juventus, dal canto suo, programma il futuro che, salvo clamorosi colpi di scena, dovrebbe essere rappresentato dal ritorno nella massima serie. E, per stessa ammissione del presidente Cobolli Gigli, la restaurazione bianconera passa attraverso l'italianizzazione e il ringiovanimento della rosa. E allora, ecco Juventus e Milan pronte a trattare uno scambio inipotizzabile fino a qualche tempo fa: David Trezeguet in rossonero, Alberto Gilardino sotto la Mole, per la gioia di entrambe. Il francese ha dichiarato più volte di voler cambiare aria e parrebbe gradire la soluzione meneghina; l'attaccante di Biella si riavvicinerebbe a casa, pronto a guidare l'attacco bianconero insieme a Del Piero o Bojinov. Difficile ipotizzare tuttavia che lo scambio si concretizzi già a gennaio: se ne riparlerà a giugno.

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Shortly, they are talking about possibile exchange Trezeguet-Gilardino !
This is just a "possibile" scenario according to them, but tuttomercato ain't reliable i have to say !
Dunno about you guys, but according to some of the guys from juventuz.com, this is a good deal, some would like Gila+5 or 10 M, and one of them went as far as Trez=Gila+Pirlo :)
Personally, i like Gila but a rate Trez higher, so if this is going to happen i feel Milan will have to add few M $ if they want Trezeguet. He's one of the best finishers in the world afterall !

Pireloke
06-12-2006, 07:12
Trezeguet for Gilardino? hell no, Gila is having a bad season indeed, but he's the future, don't exchange him for a 6 year older striker. (<-- message to Baldie & Co)

nefremo
06-12-2006, 12:29
I rate Trez higher as well, however the age difference is huge and I wouldn't give up Gila for Trezeguet.
I'm surprized the Juve fans didn't ask for Kaka as well. :D

eltomas2
06-12-2006, 18:53
Arsenal striker Nicklas Bendtner has reportedly been targeted by Italian giants AC Milan.
-- clubcall.com

...any info on this dude?

kris
07-12-2006, 08:26
Personally, i like Gila but a rate Trez higher, so if this is going to happen i feel Milan will have to add few M $ if they want Trezeguet. He's one of the best finishers in the world afterall !

I don't know if you noticed, but Trezeguet is about as fit as Ambrosini. How many games have he played the two seasons before this and surprise surprise, isn't he injuried right now? Now I am sure Ambrosini would love someone to hand out with in the rehabilitation centre, but currently we have loads of company there for him already.

DrJohnson
07-12-2006, 12:29
Arsenal striker Nicklas Bendtner has reportedly been targeted by Italian giants AC Milan.
-- clubcall.com

...any info on this dude?

Bendtner is an 18 year old danish striker. 191 cm and about 85 kg he is a big fellow, but extreemly skilled and with plenty of pace. He is probably best as a supporting striker as he is good at creating chances and likes to run at defenders. He is currently on loan at birmingham who is sitting at the top of the championship. He is their topcorer with 8 goals? and has a lot of assists as well. This guy is real class. In Denmark he's considered as the biggest talent since Michael Laudrup. This summer he was the youngest player ever to play for the danish under 21 side and shortly after made his debut for the full side where he is now a regular. He has a tendency to be too outspoken - he is very selfconfident but hopefully it is all down to experience. Milan would be lucky to get him. He's been paired with other top clubs but will probably stay with arsenal (Wenger will not let him go at least).
...

Tony29.
07-12-2006, 12:56
I don't know if you noticed, but Trezeguet is about as fit as Ambrosini. How many games have he played the two seasons before this and surprise surprise, isn't he injuried right now? Now I am sure Ambrosini would love someone to hand out with in the rehabilitation centre, but currently we have loads of company there for him already.
Comparing Trez to Ambro injurywise is like comparing them qualitywise !

Trez is with Juve for 7 years now, and except for the 3 months injury he had 2 years ago and the injury he got 25 days ago ( he's expected to return in 7 days) he was always available.
Shevchenko was out as much as much Trez was in last 5 years and noone thinks he's injury prone. As for the age difference....come on, Sheva is 1 year older than Trez, scoring as much as Trez did in last 5 years (Actually, Trez scored few goals more than Sheva in last 5 years), proved to be a disaster out of Italy, and i'm sure most of you would like to exchange him with any other 5,6,10 years younger striker !

I also wouldn't like a Gila-Trez exchange, because no matter the age difference, Trez worths more than Gila does.
Gila has class but his goal scoring record in last 12 months doesn't guarantees he'll be a goalkeeper's nightmare in the future, while Trez is a guarantee for many goals, at least in next 3-4 years !

cdawg786
07-12-2006, 13:17
Bendtner is an 18 year old danish striker. 191 cm and about 85 kg he is a big fellow, but extreemly skilled and with plenty of pace. He is probably best as a supporting striker as he is good at creating chances and likes to run at defenders. He is currently on loan at birmingham who is sitting at the top of the championship. He is their topcorer with 8 goals? and has a lot of assists as well. This guy is real class. In Denmark he's considered as the biggest talent since Michael Laudrup. This summer he was the youngest player ever to play for the danish under 21 side and shortly after made his debut for the full side where he is now a regular. He has a tendency to be too outspoken - he is very selfconfident but hopefully it is all down to experience. Milan would be lucky to get him. He's been paired with other top clubs but will probably stay with arsenal (Wenger will not let him go at least).
...

bendtners been in good form for Birmingham this year and has demonstrated that he has talent. Him and Lupoli formed an absolutely devastating partnership in the Youth/Reserves league in England. I personally would like to see Bendtner in Milan, but as stated above, Wenger will not give away a talent like Bendtner this early, he's Arsenals future striker and will probably be given more 1st team chances starting next season, ie. if he doesnt go on loan again which is also a possibility :D

Maybe Milan can loan him for half a season and see how well he does here?

cdawg786
07-12-2006, 13:33
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A6K49WRVPE

heres a vid of Bendtner tearing up the reserves league.

Graeme C
07-12-2006, 13:45
hes a monster :P could be good for us, well as hes only young would be good... Bet Arsenal want alot for him tho!

rosoneri_11
07-12-2006, 14:59
he looks good.but that is with youth teams!
the difference is big with serie-a teams and youths!but the time will show!

rahul.acm
07-12-2006, 18:12
I really don't know how the hell Wenger will let him go without making a fuss. True he looks good and B'ham have said that they want him permanently after playing only 5 matches for them. However nothing has been discussed between Milan and Arsenal officials and the news appeared on tribal and sun, which are crap.

guerrilla
07-12-2006, 21:22
anyone can introduce this young player?

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Milan are reportedly interested in Getafe defender Alexis and could make an offer as early as January.

The 21-year-old has impressed since his summer move from Malaga and is currently contracted until 2011, with a £5.7m release clause.

The Rossoneri are looking to sign a stopper in January, as they need to strengthen their defence after the serious injuries suffered by Alessandro Nesta and Serginho.

“The first thing we need is all our injured players to come back to fitness. New arrivals aren’t a priority, but maybe we will do something in defence,” stated Vice-President Adriano Galliani.

“Alexis could leave Getafe as early as January,” confirmed the player’s agent Manuel Garcia Quilno. “His release clause is not that high so most major clubs can afford to pay it.”

Getafe’s President Angel Torres had already stated in the past few weeks that Milan were interested in the player’s services.

“Milan are following Alexis, who is a phenomenon,” said Torres. “You mustn’t forget that the Italian club had already tried to sign him when he was 16-years-old.”

Alexis grew up in the Malaga youth team and had an excellent start of the season with Bernd Schuster’s side, although he is now recovering from an injury.

Bosniaco
07-12-2006, 22:07
anyone can introduce this young player?

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Milan are reportedly interested in Getafe defender Alexis and could make an offer as early as January.

The 21-year-old has impressed since his summer move from Malaga and is currently contracted until 2011, with a £5.7m release clause.

The Rossoneri are looking to sign a stopper in January, as they need to strengthen their defence after the serious injuries suffered by Alessandro Nesta and Serginho.

“The first thing we need is all our injured players to come back to fitness. New arrivals aren’t a priority, but maybe we will do something in defence,” stated Vice-President Adriano Galliani.

“Alexis could leave Getafe as early as January,” confirmed the player’s agent Manuel Garcia Quilno. “His release clause is not that high so most major clubs can afford to pay it.”

Getafe’s President Angel Torres had already stated in the past few weeks that Milan were interested in the player’s services.

“Milan are following Alexis, who is a phenomenon,” said Torres. “You mustn’t forget that the Italian club had already tried to sign him when he was 16-years-old.”

Alexis grew up in the Malaga youth team and had an excellent start of the season with Bernd Schuster’s side, although he is now recovering from an injury.
Here http://www.getafecf.com/ficha.asp?idjugador=139&equipo=Getafe

or for English http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexis_Ruano_Delgado

rosoneri_11
08-12-2006, 02:30
Alexis... with a £5.7m release clause.

5.7?He is cheap!Lets get him qiuckly!And as i know he plays great with cetafe,he is in fantastic form!
Lets make it quickly because as i know Real madrid,barcelona and other big clubs are interested for him!

Graeme C
08-12-2006, 04:27
Milan: Marzoratti-Pozzi primi rinforzi

09:40 del 08 dicembre

Già certo il rientro al Milan da Empoli dei giovani Marzoratti e Pozzi per la prossima stagione.
Capitolo portiere: Galliani "Dida vuole ancora troppi soldi". Intanto i rossoneri fanno un'offerta di 11 milioni di euro al River Plate per l'argentino Carrizo, 22 anni.
(Gazzetta dello Sport)

marcovb
08-12-2006, 06:03
Milan needs stronger players for the first team
young players with experience

They want to buy
Mexes or Barzagli ,Oddo ,Zambrotta for defence
Gerard in midfield
Eto / Treze for attack

and i think that this is the kind of players they need

kris
08-12-2006, 06:46
Trez is with Juve for 7 years now, and except for the 3 months injury he had 2 years ago and the injury he got 25 days ago ( he's expected to return in 7 days) he was always available.

You conveniently forgot a couple of injuries I see.

zZ[-_-]Zz
08-12-2006, 07:14
didn't someone once said they would welcome Gilardino into their Serie B side? oh well...

rosoneri_11
08-12-2006, 07:37
From:http://www.fansfc.com/acmilanfootballclub/news.asp?newsid=160274

AC Milan set to land £5.7m La Liga starlet

09:40 12/8/2006

Getafe defender Alexis is poised for a dream move to the San Siro.

The 21-year-old former Malaga defender has been tracked by Milan since he was a youngster and they are set to meet his release clause in the New Year.

“Alexis could leave Getafe as early as January,” said the player’s agent Manuel Garcia Quilno.

“His release clause is not that high so most major clubs can afford to pay it.”

Getafe president Angel Torres confirmed: “Milan are following Alexis, who is a phenomenon.”
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Good news!

kris
08-12-2006, 08:12
no news are good before they are final. Especially since we all to often make unexpected moves.

milanisti2503
08-12-2006, 08:20
suazo really want to go to milan,if milan make an offer he will be happy.I read this from newspaper

Graeme C
08-12-2006, 08:41
Suazo wont come Jan tho, i wouldnt mind seing Oli or Borriello make way for Suazo...

I got this news from a guy on my myspace friends list!

Milan acquires from empoli and ascoli 2 players that were on loan:
Lino Marzoratti (20), Nicola Pozzi (20). both starters with their respective serie A teams. also.......
milan will call up from the primavera squad Luca Antonelli (defence) and
Davide Di Gennaro (striker).

Pireloke
08-12-2006, 10:30
Suazo wont come Jan tho, i wouldnt mind seing Oli or Borriello make way for Suazo...

I got this news from a guy on my myspace friends list!

Milan acquires from empoli and ascoli 2 players that were on loan:
Lino Marzoratti (20), Nicola Pozzi (20). both starters with their respective serie A teams. also.......
milan will call up from the primavera squad Luca Antonelli (defence) and
Davide Di Gennaro (striker).

Marzoratti and Pozzi are coming back from loan in June, not in January as far as I know. The first has a good reputation and plays very well for Empoli, the second I must admit I never seen play before.

Antonelli will become a good left back, but you got to give him time, several years, he lacks experience and needs to learn it the hard way (like he did vs Pozanzinni from Brescia that left him dead in his tracks in the Coppa and that costed us a goal).

Di Genarro didn't impress me much but I have seen him only a few times in friendly matches and during the TIM Coppa tournament, from the primavera squad two other players impressed me more : Lunati and Bottini, both midfielders. the latter an attacking midfielder even.

San Ringhio
08-12-2006, 13:10
milan will call up from the primavera squad Luca Antonelli (defence) and
Davide Di Gennaro (striker).

Actually, I saw something on the Milan official site that said we've already made Antonelli a part of our regular team. I saw it maybe a week ago or so, so I guess he's already in for sure.

Tony29.
08-12-2006, 19:01
Zz']didn't someone once said they would welcome Gilardino into their Serie B side? oh well...
I did, and i'd welcome Gila in Juve anytime. But i won't exchange him for Trez.
You'll also welcome Messi in Milan but will you exchange him with 5 years older Kaka ???

@ Kris : I'm really sorry if i forgot some of Trez serious injuries in the past, but i really can't recall any. Feel free to remind me.
I was looking at his record, and except for that season when he spent 3 months out from football, he always played at least 30 matches per season !

And maybe it's time to close this Trez-Gila discussion. It was written only in one newspaper so far, and Galliani said himself when they asked him about this exchange "It's the first time i hear about this "
:)

zZ[-_-]Zz
09-12-2006, 04:09
yes... i'll be willin' to exchange Kaka for Messi... =)

Graeme C
09-12-2006, 06:30
Zz']yes... i'll be willin' to exchange Kaka for Messi... =)

i wouldnt, theres not guarantee Messi would fit into Italian football.. Kaka is a bigger team player..

Arildonardo
09-12-2006, 10:50
Zz']yes... i'll be willin' to exchange Kaka for Messi... =)
Are you out of your mind? Messi isn't even half the player Kaka is... I'd never exchange them!

Kaka is the best player in the world!

kef
09-12-2006, 13:55
never mind

zZ[-_-]Zz
09-12-2006, 14:51
wow... i'm gettin' popular... 3 posts to me for an answer i gave to Tony...

first things first... i'm a big fan of Kaka & i believe he is at least the top 2 players in the world now... likewise i do believe bringin' in Messi into Italian football could backfire should he fail to adapt... but it doesn't mean it could prove fatal or a disaster... there's always a risk involved no matter what player is transferred...

suggestin' i'm insane & stupid goes to prove nothin' in this discussion unless it was your intention to take the opportunity to sprout insults at me... of which i always get & can handle only too well... so unless those that cannot get involved in a discussion without the need to throws insults to get their point across has anythin' intelligent to add... please refrain from makin' a fool of yourselves any further...

ACMILAN1983
09-12-2006, 15:50
kef please try to avoid personal insults

joumasepoes
10-12-2006, 12:49
never mind

Tony29.
10-12-2006, 20:48
I hear Zambrotta's name conected to Milan a lot here on MM.
Well, i read his latest statements and it seems like he's lost for serie A, at least for few more years, thanx to Calciopoli :
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=25&a=26762

Translation by me : :)
"No Regrets For Italy"
Zambrotta said from Barcelona : I never regreted for going to foreign country. I made the best choice, cause it's true football show what they play here. Barcelona is beautiful city. I needed certain period for accomodation because the football they play here is different than the one played in Italy.
Ronaldinho wasn't a suprise for me. I knew he's a unique player who can do whatever he wants with the ball. But Messi was a real suprise for me. He has unbelievable talent and incredibile personality, despite his age.
Rijkaard and Capello are two winning coaches but they are very different. Rijkaard works more on ball possesion, and that's the true force of our squad.
Two Scudettos being taken from Juve have touched me at certain point. We won the titles on the field and we feel them as ours.
Ballon d'or to Cannavaro ? It's true it was won by a great defender......
(and then he talks something about Del Piero and Buffon how they deserved something more than anyone else, but i don't know how to translate it)

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Well, if somewhere in July he was a man who wanted to play in Italy, now he certanly doesn't looks like one.
He's finally a regular in Barcelona, he enjoys his life there, and i have a feeling he's angry at FIGC for taking "his" 2 scudettos, and he doesn't wants to come back play in a league runned by the same people who "took" 2 years of his carierre.
My guess is he'll be staying in Barcelona for at least 2 more seasons !

mrki
11-12-2006, 04:23
Latest by calciomercato: Milan will sign Oddo and Alexis in january.... our new coach-target is Spaletti, and other transfer targets are: Alves for RB, and also Alex ( PSV ), Emerson..... Oddo and Alexis in january would be fone for the defence, but we need some class forward ?!!

rosoneri_11
11-12-2006, 04:51
Latest by calciomercato: Milan will sign Oddo and Alexis in january.... our new coach-target is Spaletti, and other transfer targets are: Alves for RB, and also Alex ( PSV ), Emerson..... Oddo and Alexis in january would be fone for the defence, but we need some class forward ?!!

It also says that we are ahead for Keita from Lile, and for the barusso (barusso is named like the Gattuso d' Africa or the Essien d' Italy).

Tony29.
11-12-2006, 06:11
It also says that we are ahead for Keita from Lile, and for the barusso (barusso is named like the Gattuso d' Africa or the Essien d' Italy).
Why would Milan want Gattuso d'Africa when they allready have the real Gattuso :)
As for Oddo, i think he's allready in Milan with one foot. Whenever he gives an interview it can be seen by his answers how he'll leave Lazio in January.
And since Milan is the team connected to him, i'm sure that's where he'll go !

Graeme C
11-12-2006, 08:10
Well rumours today say Inter are going to make a sneaky bid for suazo while braida wants Bianchi... I think we should try and get Suazo, mainly so our opposition doesnt get him.. We useto buy the best, now we buy the cheapest.. If Inter does sign him, its more salt in the wounds.. And our transfer stategy should be questioned!

Sempre Milan!
11-12-2006, 08:35
It also says that we are ahead for Keita from Lile, and for the barusso (barusso is named like the Gattuso d' Africa or the Essien d' Italy).

Yeah he plays for Rimini!
I also read about Daniel alves, and some other dude for an Argentine club I don't know about... Boh??? Never heard about it again

I also wouldn't mins Sauzo as he has been rumoured, he's got pace which is what we need!
I personally wouldn't mind Bianchi aswell, he aint doing too badly either

Mystik
11-12-2006, 09:28
what kind of striker is Bianchi? Hopefully a support striker ?

zZ[-_-]Zz
11-12-2006, 10:54
Inter seems interested in every striker linked to Milan... firstly Crespo... than Ibra... now Suazo... and they did manage to get Crespo & Ibra ahead of us... so even if Suazo does go there... i wouldn't be surprised...