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http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=341132
im starting to get nervous now guys what if this is true?
1. 1/3 of current Milan fans will become Real Madrid fans
2. Milan will struggle for a year or two and get a nice replacement for him ( or maybe they'll do ala Juve and buy 3-4 world class players right after they sell Kaka)
3. Kaka won't play as good in Real as he did in Milan because Real will buy 2 more egoistic stars and there will be a conflict
4. Milan will again win more than Real in next 5 years !
rosoneri_11
01-07-2007, 13:09
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=341132
im starting to get nervous now guys what if this is true?
Relax my wonder kid. There are all lies,lies,lies, and lies!
Kaka will never leave Milan. He can't find a better team.
Kaka1899
01-07-2007, 13:11
1. 1/3 of current Milan fans will become Real Madrid fans
2. Milan will struggle for a year or two and get a nice replacement for him ( or maybe they'll do ala Juve and buy 3-4 world class players right after they sell Kaka)
3. Kaka won't play as good in Real as he did in Milan because Real will buy 2 more egoistic stars and there will be a conflict
4. Milan will again win more than Real in next 5 years !
ah yeah i worked that out but what i meen is we have no real replacement and if we sold him now i doubt the manegement will drop everything to look for a new Kaka i think it will just hold us back for a season or two until we find a replacement. Kaka is the work force of Milan along side Gattuso imo and we lose kaka who have we got Gourcuff but hes no Kaka is he yet.
rosoneri_11
01-07-2007, 13:14
As for Torres, he would have been a very good option for us. And also Atletiko haven't paid us 15M euros from last transfers. For that reasons it would have been more easy to sign him.
ah yeah i worked that out but what i meen is we have no real replacement and if we sold him now i doubt the manegement will drop everything to look for a new Kaka i think it will just hold us back for a season or two until we find a replacement. Kaka is the work force of Milan along side Gattuso imo and we lose kaka who have we got Gourcuff but hes no Kaka is he yet.
I am not scarred if Kaka goes. Milan are still competitive without Kaka and dont need such 1-2 years to be competitive. We have the brilliant Ancelotti (except his defensive tactic, for me). He found Pirlos position, he 'taught' Kaka so he is more and more valuable and useful player for the team. I am sure, he will and be forced to give his 'magic' again to Gourcuff if Kaka goes. And dont worry, Ancelotti has many tactics that dont depend on a single player.
Berlusconi will simply not let Kaka' go. As much as Interisti and Juventini hope that Sheva case will happen, it will not. Sheva's wish was an exception. Its more realistic that Sheva will come back than that Kaka' will leave. We are the most succesfull european club in the last 20 years! We need to act like that and stamp on others with a smile, like we did in this CL. And about Cassano Barlu sqid this: " I dont know him personally, he has unique temper, but we never had any problems with anyone in Mlanello..."
Im not so sure they are telling the truth about Emerson as I dont see corelation between Gourcuff and Emerson??! They are not the same tipe of players, and Carlo will not use them for same reasons and in same occasions. Also, Carlo, I remember perfectly, specifficaly asked to have another midfielder as we can fire at all fronts!
Kaka1899
01-07-2007, 13:29
I am not scarred if Kaka goes. Milan are still competitive without Kaka and dont need such 1-2 years to be competitive. We have the brilliant Ancelotti (except his defensive tactic, for me). He found Pirlos position, he 'taught' Kaka so he is more and more valuable and useful player for the team. I am sure, he will and be forced to give his 'magic' again to Gourcuff if Kaka goes. And dont worry, Ancelotti has many tactics that dont depend on a single player.
yeah but seriousley if we played Real he would wreak havoc with our Defense Pools is one of the strongest around imo and he seemed to overcome them. i just really dont want to lose supersatr after superstar first Sheva and now Kaka its like why do they always go for us. why cant Uefa stop them from hassling us every second to make us sell Kaka it has to be harrasment or somthing.
Take it easy, guys, it`s all lies, it can`t be true!
GALLIANI ON THE TRANSFER MARKET
6/30/2007 12:51:00 PM
Chief executive Adriano Galliani has been looking at the situation regarding the Milan transfer market
Milan have been busy on the transfer front, with a good 12 players leaving but now it is time to look to player coming in as chief executive Adriano Galliani explained: 'I have spoken to Barcelona and they said that Eto'o and Ronaldinho are not for sale. We'll see and we are keeping a place one for an non-European player so that goes for Shevchenko too. We need ton decide on the valuation set by Chelsea. At the moment Milan have sold a lot players and 12 deals have been concluded. We are just lacking a soluation for Storari.
'As for Cassano, as I said, we all need to be in agreement, the club, coach and players. It would be a fascinating challenge, there is no denying the talent of the player.'
1. 1/3 of current Milan fans will become Real Madrid fans
2. Milan will struggle for a year or two and get a nice replacement for him ( or maybe they'll do ala Juve and buy 3-4 world class players right after they sell Kaka)
3. Kaka won't play as good in Real as he did in Milan because Real will buy 2 more egoistic stars and there will be a conflict
4. Milan will again win more than Real in next 5 years !
If kaka REALLY wants to go. I hope this will happen:D <apart from the 2 years struggle and 5 years lose to real :grinser: >
Kaka1899
01-07-2007, 13:52
sorry for been so slow but has Storari gone? :nervous:
i liked him as well :(
sorry for been so slow but has Storari gone?
Yes. And I hope we will sign Amelia, only P3M.
Kaka1899
01-07-2007, 13:56
Yes. And I hope we will sign Amelia, only P3M.
wheres he gone?
I didn`t know that Storari has gone also! Amelia? I think it will be great!
If kaka REALLY wants to go. I hope this will happen:D <apart from the 2 years struggle and 5 years lose to real :grinser: >
Like i said many times before, it's impossible Kaka to leave Milan this year and i don't give more than 10% chances Kaka to leave Milan next year.
But, imo, i think he will leave Milan before he gets to 30yo. Somewhere before season 2009/10 is my guess when he'll leave your team.
But if a miracle happens and if he does go this summer, my guess is Milan will have a replacement ready. Maybe not a direct one, but 2 or 3 players who'll compensate his departure ( like Buffon, Thuram, Nedved , Salas replaced Zidane+Inzaghi)
It may work, like in Juve's case with Zidane, or it may not work, like in Juve case with Salas to replace Pippo, but i'm 100% positive Milan won't let Kaka go until you have world class players ready to fill every single hole in the team.
So we let Storari go and kept Kalac? Wonderful!
Next you'll be telling me we've re-signed Ibrahim Ba because he can be an important member of the squad .... oh wait
Kaka1899
01-07-2007, 14:01
So we let Storari go and kept Kalac? Wonderful!
Next you'll be telling me we've re-signed Ibrahim Ba because he can be an important member of the squad .... oh wait
:bri: how cpuld we be so stupid!!!!!
were gonna seel Kaka and Ba is his world class replacement!!!!! or the surprise as Galliani has been branding it. well hes out done himself on this one cos that really is a kick in the teeth! :grinser:
Could someone give me link or maybe write for me the list of players leaving Milan and coming to Milan? acmilan.com said that good 12 players leaving Milan.
Hasan Rossonero
01-07-2007, 14:09
AC MILAN COMUNICATO UFFICIALE
01/07/2007
L' AC Milan comunica che da oggi in poi non replicherà più alle bugie pubblicate dal quotidiano spagnolo "As" riguardo il fantomatico trasferimento di Kakà al Real Madrid.
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acmilan.com
In short: Milan will no longer respond to the lies published in AS about the Kaka affair.
I'm searching for where storari goes:D, so shamed. But I have read this news twice, the last time is just some min ago at acmilan.com
Could someone give me link or maybe write for me the list of players leaving Milan and coming to Milan? acmilan.com said that good 12 players leaving Milan.
OUT
Coppola (GK) went to Atalanta
Donati (Mid) went to Celtic
Borriello (Att) went to Genoa
Abbiatti (GK) went to Atletiko Madrid
Abate (Mid) went to Empoli
Sammarco (Mid) went to Sampdoria
Di Gennaro (Mid) went to Bologna
Costacurta (Def) retired
IN
Antonini (Mid) came from Siena
Ba (Mid) came from Varese
Novinic (Att) came from Nafta
Digao (Def) came from Rimini
I must have missed someone ( i have no idea where did Storari go). Someone can update this list !
Edit: Not sure about Antonini also. I don't know if he came from Siena to Milan and then went to Empoli, or if he's still in Milan .
Maltese Charlie
01-07-2007, 14:23
as Hasan said, simply creating a FREE account would allow you to read old editions of Gazzetta, however, I think you will be able to read up to 7 such editions for free.
every time you chose to open a page other than the front one, of any edition of any paper, you are asked to confirm your choice and the count of the free editions left on your account decrease by one - 7,6,5 ... and so on
at least that's how I think it works.
Yes you are right.
But to read the paper of the same day and even in the early morning hours, you should have at least an "economy" account, which costs you 9.95 dollars for 31 issues per month.
The only thing which I do not know Is the number of months you will be allowed to read with 1 fee of 9.95 dollars, as from my past experience they were not the same.
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jul1i.html
Milan are waiting for Andriy Shevchenko to demand a transfer from Chelsea. “He knows what to do,” said Adriano Galliani.
“I speak to Sheva often. He knows what he has to do,” the Vice-President told ‘Il Giornale’ newspaper.
And you don't find this as bad as what Real is doing with Kaka :rolleyes:
Hasan Rossonero
01-07-2007, 14:27
And you don't find this as bad as what Real is doing with Kaka :rolleyes:
Actually I find it equally egregious.
OUT
Coppola (GK) went to Atalanta
Donati (Mid) went to Celtic
Borriello (Att) went to Genoa
Abbiatti (GK) went to Atletiko Madrid
Abate (Mid) went to Empoli
Sammarco (Mid) went to Sampdoria
Di Gennaro (Mid) went to Bologna
Costacurta (Def) retired
IN
Antonini (Mid) came from Siena
Ba (Mid) came from Varese
Novinic (Att) came from Nafta
Digao (Def) came from Rimini
I must have missed someone ( i have no idea where did Storari go). Someone can update this list !
Edit: Not sure about Antonini also. I don't know if he came from Siena to Milan and then went to Empoli, or if he's still in Milan .
Thanks Tony29.
So the part of sentence from acmilan.com "with a good 12 players leaving" means including players coming to Milan too? I just thought that there are 12 players leaving Milan (sold, loaned, retired etc.)
Thanks Tony29.
So the part of sentence from acmilan.com "with a good 12 players leaving" means including players coming to Milan too? I just thought that there are 12 players leaving Milan (sold, loaned, retired etc.)
12 players leaving may mean that some of these 12 players left and some of them will leave soon. I don't think the incoming players are counted.
And, like i said, i may have missed some youngster who left Milan so the number Galliani gave (12 players) may go only for those players who already left.
Pleeeeeeeease no Cassano...it is too huge a gamble IMO.....what is he going t do? Come to Milan and turn into Baggio???
You're right! It'll take 1-2 months for him to return to his best shape and a near-death experience to prevent him from trash talking. The same with Adriano and his "I-wanna-rock n' roll-all-night, and-party-everyday" lifestyle
Cane1972
01-07-2007, 14:40
Tony,
When you see a picture of Schev holding up a EUFA cup champions newspaper of AC that is actually not real but made up, then you can compare the two. Galliani is saying what all men in his position should say which is if the player wants to change teams then go to your current team and tell them. Do not keep telling the team you want to go to and not inform your current team.
Of course Schev talks with AC milan management his childs Godfather is Berlusconi. If our management continues to make comments then their might be something to talk about.
12 players leaving may mean that some of these 12 players left and some of them will leave soon. I don't think the incoming players are counted.
And, like i said, i may have missed some youngster who left Milan so the number Galliani gave (12 players) may go only for those players who already left.
Ok. How about Grimi? Is he already loaned for this season?
Tony,
When you see a picture of Schev holding up a EUFA cup champions newspaper of AC that is actually not real but made up, then you can compare the two. Galliani is saying what all men in his position should say which is if the player wants to change teams then go to your current team and tell them. Do not keep telling the team you want to go to and not inform your current team.
Of course Schev talks with AC milan management his childs Godfather is Berlusconi. If our management continues to make comments then their might be something to talk about.
You're mixing a newspaper with a club. It wasn't Real but it was "AS" , newspaper, that had that picture.
I don't find this kind of behaviour scandalous. It was happening and it will happen in the future. You just can't stop clubs having contacts with players who play for some other club.
But you guys were really angry about Real contacting Kaka while he's at Milan, and as you can see Milan is doing the same thing with Sheva (and most probably Milan did the same with Dinho)
Face it, these things are normal in football....not legal, but still a practice
Ok. How about Grimi? Is he already loaned for this season?
I think so, yes. Loaned to Siena....there you go, we found another one :)
I found two more :
Alessandro Matri from Milan to Cagliari (co-ownership, Undisclosed)
Luca Antonelli from Milan to Bari (Loan)
Antonelli was loaned? When did that happen?
which of these are loans and which are sales?
OUT
Coppola (GK) went to Atalanta
Donati (Mid) went to Celtic - Sale
Borriello (Att) went to Genoa
Abbiatti (GK) went to Atletiko Madrid
Abate (Mid) went to Empoli
Sammarco (Mid) went to Sampdoria
Di Gennaro (Mid) went to Bologna - Loan
Antonelli was loaned? When did that happen?
On June 20 , 2007 :)
http://www.asbari.it/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=586&Itemid=68
http://www.wikio.it/news/Luca+Antonelli
http://www.zonacalcio.it/news.html?news=6182
I think so, yes. Loaned to Siena....there you go, we found another one :)
I found two more :
Alessandro Matri from Milan to Cagliari (co-ownership, Undisclosed)
Luca Antonelli from Milan to Bari (Loan)
Aha! Thanks again.
So, there are only 2 young players that play for Milan next season (Digao and Gourcuff). Gourcuf, like Galliani said, will have more chances because Milan are not looking for a midfielder for the transfer campaign. And I do hope that Digao's coming back to Milan is because of his ability (what he has shown in Rimini) and not because Kaka's pressure.
How about Rafael Marquez? He would be a very good centerback for us? He is very good.
i also agree, we brought so many old players, we must get him who is old but at the same time very usefull.... :5ok:
which of these are loans and which are sales?
OUT
Coppola (GK) went to Atalanta
Donati (Mid) went to Celtic - Sale
Borriello (Att) went to Genoa
Abbiatti (GK) went to Atletiko Madrid
Abate (Mid) went to Empoli
Sammarco (Mid) went to Sampdoria
Di Gennaro (Mid) went to Bologna - Loan
Di Gennaro, Abbiatti, Coppola, Abate, Antonini - Loaned
Donati - sold to Celtic for €4.5m
Borriello - sold to Genoa (undisclosed)
Sammarco - co-ownership
Some news that will make us feel awfuk but Tony to feel perfect :
Lampard leans towards Juve
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jul1n.html
Frank Lampard has reportedly rejected a new contract offer at Chelsea, fuelling claims he will join Claudio Ranieri at Juventus.
The media in England suggests that the wages proposed would be higher than the £121,000 per week given to Andriy Shevchenko and Michael Ballack.
However, the delay in making the offer has reportedly angered Lampard, who under FIFA rules could buy himself out of his two-year contract.
The midfielder had already been heavily linked with a summer move to Juventus and these reports will prompt negotiations to intensify.
Coach Ranieri has named Lampard as one of the prime objectives for his new-look Bianconeri, who return to the top flight after a year in Serie B.
"In an ideal world, it would have happened three weeks ago but it is not an ideal world," said the England international.
"It feels strange. It is something I am trying to keep my mind off. You get on with it. I am not surprised by it, because nothing surprises you in football."
Milan
IN: Abbiati (G, Torino); Donati (M, Atalanta), Sammarco (M, Chievo), Antonini (M, Siena), Novinic (A, Nafta Lendava), Ba (M, Varese)
OUT: Costacurta (D, retired), Abate (M, Empoli), Borriello (A, Genoa), Donati (M, Celtic), Abbiati (G, Atletico Madrid) Sammarco (M, Sampdoria), Di Gennaro (A, Bologna), Coppola (G, Atalanta
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/transfers.html
rosoneri_11
01-07-2007, 15:27
i also agree, we brought so many old players, we must get him who is old but at the same time very usefull.... :5ok:
Rafael Marquez is 28 years old.
12 players leaving may mean that some of these 12 players left and some of them will leave soon. I don't think the incoming players are counted.
And, like i said, i may have missed some youngster who left Milan so the number Galliani gave (12 players) may go only for those players who already left.
i think pozzi and marzoratti also count in this list as they stay one more season at empoli.
Arildonardo
01-07-2007, 15:54
If we need a new left-back, how about Grosso from Inter?
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jul1l.html
Blacktop
01-07-2007, 16:21
I don't have time to read them all, but man, what happened here that led to six pages in less than 24 hours?
Hasan Rossonero
01-07-2007, 16:27
A shopping con Ronaldinho
ESPNsoccernet Editor Lorenzo Caci
Venerdì pomeriggio Ronaldinho era a Milano, in via Montenapoleone. La notizia di per sé non è clamorosa anche la stella del basket NBA Kobe Bryant, una decina di giorni prima, aveva percorso lo stesso itinerario ma è chiaro, cerchiamo di interpretare il pensiero del presidente del Barcellona Laporta, che quando vieni a sapere che la tua fidanzata è stata vista nei dintorni di casa di uno dei suoi spasimanti di sempre, un po' ti insospettisci. Anche se sai benissimo di avere la situazione sotto controllo.
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Ronaldinho sempre allegro e sorridente ci confida che gli piacerebbe giocare nel Milan perchè squadra più forte del mondo.
Il fuoriclasse brasiliano, in effetti, non sembra avere segreti da nascondere. Si trovava semplicemente nella meta più ambita per chi cerca abiti ed accessori alla moda. Per giunta nell'indiscussa capitale della moda. Tutto qui, un ventiseienne benestante a far compere da Louis Vuitton. Nulla più di questo.
Ma da buoni giornalisti non ci accontentiamo. Da un mese a questa parte, infatti, Milano non è soltanto la città delle modelle e delle griffe, è ritornata ad essere, rubando lo scettro proprio a Barcellona, anche la capitale del calcio europeo, la città dei vincitori della Champions League, il Milan, e dei campioni d'Italia, l'Inter.
E se l'Inter è la squadra degli argentini, il Milan è quella dei brasiliani, con Dida, Cafù, Kakà e Ronaldo. Quattro campioni assoluti, un portiere ed un trio di artisti del calcio con i quali sarebbe bello giocare. Per tutto l'anno, non solo in nazionale.
Avviciniamo Ronaldinho, la curiosità è troppa, anche perché le belle parole di Berlusconi e Galliani hanno ormai chiarito come lui costituisca un obiettivo importante per il club rossonero, sebbene dalla Catalogna siano giunti segnali negativi in merito alla volontà di cederlo.
Ciao Ronaldinho, come stai ?
Sto bene sto bene ( e ride)&sono molto rilassato e mi sto godendo il mio riposo&però non vedo l'ora di giocare di nuovo&
Allora vieni a giocare nel Milan?
Mi piacerebbe tanto giocare nella squadra più forte del mondo...io voglio vincere tutto nella mia carriera e il Milan mi permetterebbe di farlo...
Ti piace Milano come città?
Oh si Milano insieme a Barcellona è la città che preferisco...tanti bei negozi...e poi a Milano ci sono tanti brasiliani...e questo mi fa sentire a casa&
Cosa pensi dell'arrivo di Henry al Barca?
Henry è un grande campione, sarebbe un sogno poter giocare tutti insieme Eto'o, Messi, io e Henry, ma poi a centrocampo dovremmo avere anche Gennaro (Gattuso) e ride...ma il mio sogno più grande e di giocare con Kakà e Ronaldo...e c'è anche Gennaro&
Ronaldinho un campione sempre solare e disponibile, al quale piace giocare a calcio e vivere la vita in modo sereno...speriamo di ritrovarlo presto a Milano, magari stavolta a San Siro a deliziarci con le sue finte, i suoi dribbling e i suoi fantastici gol.
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from soccernet.
If someone doesn't get the gist of it, Babelfish is always good. But he said that it would be great to play in a team of so many champions like Milan. It's also a dream of his to play alongside Kaka, Ronaldo and also Gattuso.
Sometimes I don't know if Berlusconi is talking seriously or not... I simply cannot believe that he wanna sign Adriano... come on, the guy is one hell of a lazy troublemaker!!!
Allora vieni a giocare nel Milan?
Mi piacerebbe tanto giocare nella squadra più forte del mondo...io voglio vincere tutto nella mia carriera e il Milan mi permetterebbe di farlo...
Ronaldinho didn't say this ! This is false and i have a feeling the full article is false
Translation of the above :
Will you come play for Milan ?
I really like to play for the best team in the world. I want to win everything and Milan will allow me to win everything.
This is something a player who already signed for Milan would say. Do you know a player who'll say something like this before he signs for another club ?
And Dinho was in Milan 4-5 days ago. You think he would have ran to the first journalist and tell him such things ? And the journalist would publish the article 5 days later ?
It would have been a real bomb if Dinho said something like this and we would have heard this right after he said it.
Dinho may think this way but he never said so. I guarantee you that.
Agree with Tony... he wouldn't say that, unless he had already joined us.
Hasan Rossonero
01-07-2007, 17:12
I'm just posting what soccernet has on the site. I was surprised too, and, like you two, incredulous, but it was on a reputable site. At first I thought it was a joke, but it appears to be a serious article.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/feature?id=442644&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab4pos1&cc=5901
sheva-gila
01-07-2007, 17:15
do you believe guys with all this speculation arround the world about kaka its somethin inside the trueth cuze the same was with sheva, news papers, journalist, media bla bla bla than boommm sheva to chelsea
Kaka will not leave Milan this year, what's so hard to understand here ? :)
zlatanov
01-07-2007, 17:29
I'm just posting what soccernet has on the site. I was surprised too, and, like you two, incredulous, but it was on a reputable site. At first I thought it was a joke, but it appears to be a serious article.
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/feature?id=442644&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab4pos1&cc=5901
it is a serious article ... and he said those things ... and yes, the "unless" part is closer than you think ;)
do you believe guys with all this speculation arround the world about kaka its somethin inside the trueth cuze the same was with sheva, news papers, journalist, media bla bla bla than boommm sheva to chelsea
Milan let Sheva go, not the papers, nothing else ... that train has left the station lnow ... as for Sheva, he can only teach some others a lesson as I am sure he would turn the world around if he could to come back at Milan.
What has been going at Real - treating players and coaches like merchandise as they see fit - is a great example for Kaka ... and so is Ronaldo ... an example of what awaits him in Madrid.
Like Tony I believe Kaka will be gone to Madrid when he is around 28-29. By then we most likely would have a good replacement so it won't hurt us too too bad. I don't see him leaving this summer though.
sheva-gila
01-07-2007, 17:38
Kaka will not leave Milan this year !!!!!!!??????
hitmannq8
01-07-2007, 17:47
Hasan is right, it is a very reliable website that does not make up BS. But quite frankly I find that impossible to believe. Given how huge what Ronaldinho said, I would have expected it to be splashed all over the news when he said it. I also dont think Ronaldinho ain't that dumb.
Kaka1899
01-07-2007, 17:53
surely with all this kaka to madrid stuff Ronaldo would tell him what its like there and he will get better treatment at Milan.
Hasan is right, it is a very reliable website that does not make up BS. But quite frankly I find that impossible to believe. Given how huge what Ronaldinho said, I would have expected it to be splashed all over the news when he said it. I also dont think Ronaldinho ain't that dumb.
Yes, almost impossible to believe. Eather Dinho said this unofficial and the journalist wanted to keep the secret at first but couldn't wait anymore or Dinho never said it ....no third option imo.
Or maybe there was a deal not to publish it until late Sunday because Dinho will sign the contract with Milan on Monday
P.S : Zlat, how do you know he said these things ? Even if he's close to Milan and even if he signs for Milan on Monday, why the hell would he say this to a journalist instead of waiting for the official press and why did we hear about this today when , according to the author of the text, the interview took place on Friday ?
And also, the author says at the end "We hope he'll play for Milan...." ..... i doubt he's a Inter fan from Milano :)
zlatanov
01-07-2007, 18:25
P.S : Zlat, how do you know he said these things ? Even if he's close to Milan and even if he signs for Milan on Monday, why the hell would he say this to a journalist instead of waiting for the official press and why did we hear about this today when , according to the author of the text, the interview took place on Friday ?
And also, the author says at the end "We hope he'll play for Milan...." ..... i doubt he's a Inter fan from Milano :)
well, let's just say that I know :D
as for why wait till today to post the article - what day it was Saturday for Italian journalists? :)
And no the author is not an Inter fan but he is Italian and a fan of Italian football and knows that should Dinho come to Italy, it's gonna be at AC Milan.
And even if the journalist is a Milan fan as he was in Milan reportedly, does that mean he made all that up?
hitmannq8
01-07-2007, 18:37
it would mean that he is biased towards Milan and will quickly write down any rumour as an official transfer - a very English thing to do.
zlat, you predicted Dinho to be a Milan player by Mon/Tue before you even knew Dinho was in Milan. If it is true, I will come to the conclusion that zlatanov is Ronaldinho.
Lets just say i don't prefer to get my European football news from Soccernet
I'm 100% sure Dinho wouldn't have said this officially before he signs for Milan and i'm also sure that the journalist was playing with his words, kinda like :
Dinho : Yes, it is a dream to play together with Henry, Eto'o and Messi but we'll need Gattuso behind us
Journalist : And what about playing together with Kaka and Ronaldo
Dinho : Yes, i enjoy playing with Kaka and Ronaldo for Brazilian NT, i enjoy it the most
and the journalist made it like this :
Dinho : Yes, it is a dream to play together with Henry, Eto'o and Messi and we'll need Gattuso behind us but my greatest dream is to play together with Kaka, Ronaldo and Gattuso.
* note : Unless (:) ) Dinho is already Milan's and the deal with the journalist was not to make the interview public until the transfer is official, i refuse to believe this !
Edit : Hitmanq8 , the author is Italian
zlatanov
01-07-2007, 18:44
it would mean that he is biased towards Milan and will quickly write down any rumour as an official transfer - a very English thing to do.
zlat, you predicted Dinho to be a Milan player by Mon/Tue before you even knew Dinho was in Milan. If it is true, I will come to the conclusion that zlatanov is Ronaldinho.
no, I predicted etoo to be a Milan player by Wednesday but I think Milan has sniffed something new about Dinho and Barca's relations and the race seems to be open again.
One of those two will come to Milan, that's almost a given, the question is who and I think it would depend on how things between Barca and Dinho develop as he is the primary choice.
And no, I am not Dinho ... Dinho can't dribble like I can :grinser:
Hasan Rossonero
01-07-2007, 18:45
it would mean that he is biased towards Milan and will quickly write down any rumour as an official transfer - a very English thing to do.
zlat, you predicted Dinho to be a Milan player by Mon/Tue before you even knew Dinho was in Milan. If it is true, I will come to the conclusion that zlatanov is Ronaldinho.
:ilol: :ilol: Brilliant!
Hasan Rossonero
01-07-2007, 19:02
no, I predicted etoo to be a Milan player by Wednesday but I think Milan has sniffed something new about Dinho and Barca's relations and the race seems to be open again.
One of those two will come to Milan, that's almost a given, the question is who and I think it would depend on how things between Barca and Dinho develop as he is the primary choice.
And no, I am not Dinho ... Dinho can't dribble like I can :grinser:
Hey man. I can't discern whether you are saying these things tongue in cheek.
It's weird, but ever since the season ended, Barcelona have been fairly categorical about the fact that Eto'o won't leave, but have rarely touched on Dinho.
I've a feeling that the Milan management know something, or have a deal with him. My reasoning is that it's very quiet on the Dinho front, and it is precisely this calm that leads me to believe something is going on.
zlatanov
01-07-2007, 19:15
I am just kidding of course. :5ok:
In truth, Dinho was in Milano to do some shopping, that's all ... and just because his brother-agent was also in Milano at the same time, people went nuts about all that and started connecting dots that just aren't there ... and they all assume that Milan/Silvio actually want Dinho :rolleyes:
I mean, if that's not shooting in the dark, what is :dontkn:
:grinser:
Hasan Rossonero
01-07-2007, 19:24
I think I know what you're saying, but because of the sarcasm I didn't know if you were being serious.
Well.. this is actually the first transfer campaign that I am following. I really should say the first real transfer campaign, as I followed last years too and now I see how much it was plagued by Calciopoli. This one is nothing like it,.. ah..the cool,.. the calm, the relaxation, ah, the Galiani :) Gr8. All that's missing is a signing :sic
My personal favorite is Villa.
And I see everybody put in an notable effort.. 321 pages. Impressive! Kudos y'all, new and old ;)
Hasan Rossonero
01-07-2007, 21:58
A CERTAIN ARRIVAL
7/1/2007 1:42:00 PM
Adrian Galliani believes that consistency is Milan's extra weapon and is certain that a major signing will join the club
Milan chief executive Adriano Galliani covered a number of themes in an interview published today.
The consistency of Milan: 'We have been in eight Champions League finals in the 20 years of Silvio Berlusconi, Juve have four, the Spanish sides Real and Barcelona three. We have done well over a long period because we have cultivated a sense of belonging and because we have never given into criticism. We have the had the same president and chief executive over the last 20 years and kept the same management structure. The relationship between the club, coach and players depends on our wonderful reaction after setbacks. We are equipped with shocks-absorbers compared to other clubs to over the defeats.'
The transfer market: 'A player will definitely arrive. I think the squad is covered in every role and I think that too much competition creates tension in the dressing room and problems for the coach. I will explain. Emerson? Whose place will be take? We must have Gattuso and Pirlo, maybe Seedorf and Ambrosini, definitely Gourcuff who would go from the bench to the stands. The choice is to defend Gourcuff. In the meantime we will resist all types of temptation. The stars won't be sold.
The Adriano idea: 'We have made four changes with Inter: Pirlo and Seedorf were not regulars yet, Brocchi and Simic were out of the team, the former Rossoneri who went to Appiano Gentile have stopped playing for some time. After these precedents, I doubt Massimo Moratti would hand us his Press Officer, let alone Adriano
The Shevchenko idea: 'I talk to Sheva a lot, he knows what he needs to do.'
The Pato idea: 'Ancelotti has told me that he is an interesting player. I think that a certain figure cannot be paid for a young player because it has been written that he will become like Kakà.'
Always a Milan person on the bench: 'Naturally, we will select an emblematic coach: Tassotti and Costacurta will work with Ancelotti, Filippo Galli and Seba Rossi in the youth set-up, Baresi in charge of the Berretti, Evani with the Allievi, Eranio and Stroppa are part of the set-up. We will also add Rijkaard and Donadoni, but we have always stuck by Ancelotti through the good and the bad.'
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Robinho scored a hattrick. It's a kind of pitty that we didn't get Robinho. If we had got him in January along with Ronaldo <of course we didn't, no help to Champion League> we don't have to think about the attacker now.
definitely Gourcuff who would go from the bench to the stands.
Hands dows, one of the best statements I heard from the man! :grinser:
man utd completed to sing owne hargreaves form baryen
Livorno are saying they want £5 million for Ameilia ... Dida, Ameilia & Kalac sounds a decent enough string of keeps.
I heard 7 mill, but It wud be a gud signing, and wud hopefully get Fiori to retire. He's taking my future spot of working for Milan, without working for them.
zlatanov
02-07-2007, 06:07
you both heard right - the problem is not with your ears guys, but in the currencies :D
or maybe we are lining up Carrizo for a similar amount :)
Damn brits. hurry up and use euro's.
Kaka1899
02-07-2007, 06:54
http://www.goal.com/en/articolo.aspx?contenutoid=341567
Ramón Calderón could be set to finally fulfil one of his election promises by signing Arjen Robben after Chelsea gave permission Real Madrid to open negotiations.
Chelsea boss, José Mourinho, has told the Blues that the Dutchman can go if the Spanish giants meet the asking price of €20m.
The Bernabéu president included Robben as one of the players he would sign in his manifesto, along with Kaká and Cesc Fàbregas, if he assumed control of Madrid.
Despite the former PSV forward's injury record during his time in London, Calderón is still keen to snap him up and is to send officials to London to hold talks.
Amid the quest to ensure that Frank Lampard and John Terry sign new deals at Stamford Bridge, Chelsea informed Mourinho of Madrid's renewed interest in Robben and the manager stated that he could leave.
The player is currently on honeymoon, but his father and agent, Hans Robben, is in London and is keeping his son abrest of any news.
With Chelsea hoping to prise Florent Malouda away from Lyon, Robben would be surplus to requirements and Madrid are ready to meet the asking price.
Mourinho has become frustrated with his proneness to injuries and has been reported to have been angered at what he views as a lack of commitment to the cause.
With no big signings being sanctioned at Stamford Bridge, the incoming cash from Madrid would ease relations between Mourinho and owner Roman Abramovich even more.
Right i dont know where i heard this but didnt Calderon say that if Kaka was a no no he would get one of the other players he promised them and Robben was on that list if im not mistaken so does this meen the pressure on Kaka will be eased or is this just another player hes getting along the way in trying to grab Kaka?
How can signing Robben resulting in us selling Kaka? Maybe it means he'll stop acting like a spa, and telling his publication to stop his propaganda.
How can signing Robben resulting in us selling Kaka? Maybe it means he'll stop acting like a spa, and telling his publication to stop his propaganda.
Basically the fans have been hanging him ever since he made the promises of those three payers last year, now if he gets Robben for another 2 years he can say 'Just like i got Robben I can get Kaka & Cesc' and the dumb Madrid fans will believe him, its like an escape goat for him.
Has anyone heard about the massive pay Torres is after? When you consider Liverpool to be a 'big' club, I think they might struggle with the wages. Only Man United & Chelsea can afford these types of wages, Liverpool who will pay 130,00 to Gerrard & 100,000 to Torres I think will struggle, personally with the amount of money he wants I can see the deal breaking down. If I was Galliani and we needed a striker Id never go for Torres just something about him I dont like, Id prefer Villa. Also in the next few coming days R10 will come out and say he wants to leave Barca, trust me.
Until then. your a liar like Calderon. :dielaugh:
U from Colombia? Any news on the youngster Milan signed a few years ago from your country? pacey forward from last season.
Graeme C
02-07-2007, 08:33
Torres is good, but not for the wage he wants...
Until then. your a liar like Calderon. :dielaugh:
I always tell the truth, even when I lie!
Robben would be of great benefit to us, as he can create attacking plays from the flanks... we should definitely try to sign him.
Kaka1899
02-07-2007, 10:41
How can signing Robben resulting in us selling Kaka? Maybe it means he'll stop acting like a spa, and telling his publication to stop his propaganda.
Beacuse maybe Robben was the escape plan for him he could then say yes i didnt get Kaka but i got Robben and i won the league for you guys. its a good thing hes signin Robben although it could encourage him to harras kaka
kill galliani! Kill kill kill!
have you guys seen his statements on Alexandre Pato??
Kaka--7thUCL
02-07-2007, 11:13
I know this maybe random and it may sound dumb, but I don't think we need a striker, we should look into someone in C.ronaldo's position, or c.ronaldo himself :) But i'm just excited about R99 he's losing weight pretty fast :D
kastriot
02-07-2007, 11:17
kill galliani! Kill kill kill!
have you guys seen his statements on Alexandre Pato??
"Ancelotti tells me that Pato is a very talented youngster, but he is young and I believe that you can’t spend that much on a player when it’s not certain he will become the new Kaka," he said.
If you are talking about this statement
Very good statement.... When they were able to get Kaka for 10 ml. 5 years ago when the transfer market was crazy....Its very stupid move to pay 25 mil for a youngster of 18 years,when is buying clause is 15 mil.
Only Chelsey and Inter are that stupid to do so.We hardly gamble with that amount of money(oli exception).
Pato is good but nothing more than 15-18 mil.Lets be reasonable.
Reasonable and stupid at the same time. We'd rather spend average money on average players than greatly on the players who can take us up a level. managed by morons.
kastriot
02-07-2007, 11:24
bit off topic but can someone show me some photos of ronaldo(new ones) Has he lost some weight or what???
bit off topic but can someone show me some photos of ronaldo(new ones) Has he lost some weight or what??? Check this out...he's even thinner than me :( http://estrelando.uol.com.br/galeria/galeria_2902_29755.htm
zlatanov
02-07-2007, 11:47
If you are talking about this statement
Very good statement.... When they were able to get Kaka for 10 ml. 5 years ago when the transfer market was crazy....Its very stupid move to pay 25 mil for a youngster of 18 years,when is buying clause is 15 mil.
Only Chelsey and Inter are that stupid to do so.We hardly gamble with that amount of money(oli exception).
Pato is good but nothing more than 15-18 mil.Lets be reasonable.
right on the money.
galliani said what he had to say
I think he is actually prepping the turf to start negotiations for Pato and that's the way to do it - by preparing the other side that you are not some stupid deep-pocketed millionaire they can milk like an idiot for whatever cash sum comes to mind.
And what complicates the negotiations even more is the presence of teams like Inter and Chelski, teams that are a perfect fit for the description I gave above.
Maybe some people were expecting him to say: "Hey Pato is awsome and we'll pay whatever it takes to have him" ... and then go to negotiate and try to drive Pato's price down ... well, those people might also use a minute or two to think things over before they start criticizing ;)
zlatanov
02-07-2007, 11:49
elefante .
we'll get to see Buffon's opinion of Ronaldo A LOT, rest assured his dislike for Juve is still the same ;)
:grinser:
Check this out...he's even thinner than me :( http://estrelando.uol.com.br/galeria/galeria_2902_29755.htm
I wouldn't trust these pictures too much as Drucurl has obviously vastly improved his PS skills ...and with him providing the link, the picture is crystal clear :grinser:
rosoneri_11
02-07-2007, 12:07
Good jod from Milanelo!
Gabriel489
02-07-2007, 12:07
Hello Everyone, I am from HK.
And had been a long time Milan fan, not just someone jumping onto the winning wagon.
Anyhow, I saw a promotion sign about a China's Resort today and it is a resort that will be holding a game with Barcelona FC with the local team. The interesting thing is that on the poster, it features Frank's face, Dinho's face, so has Deco, Messi and Henry, but there is no ETO.
Well, thats sounded quite interesting to me. I know Pugol is not there too, but Pugol is a defender and eventhough he is great but he is not a popular defender like Canna, Nesta or Maldini.
So it just maybe that Eto is leaving Barcelona.
rosoneri_11
02-07-2007, 12:19
Hello Everyone, I am from HK.
And had been a long time Milan fan, not just someone jumping onto the winning wagon.
Anyhow, I saw a promotion sign about a China's Resort today and it is a resort that will be holding a game with Barcelona FC with the local team. The interesting thing is that on the poster, it features Frank's face, Dinho's face, so has Deco, Messi and Henry, but there is no ETO.
Well, thats sounded quite interesting to me. I know Pugol is not there too, but Pugol is a defender and eventhough he is great but he is not a popular defender like Canna, Nesta or Maldini.
So it just maybe that Eto is leaving Barcelona.
Wellcome mate to MilanMania! :5ok:
I hope your news to become true and milan sign Eto. For me he is the best striker on the world.
we'll get to see Buffon's opinion of Ronaldo A LOT, rest assured his dislike for Juve is still the same ;)
:grinser:
I wouldn't trust these pictures too much as Drucurl has obviously vastly improved his PS skills ...and with him providing the link, the picture is crystal clear :grinser:
PS skills?
zlatanov
02-07-2007, 12:34
PhotoShop :D
right on the money.
galliani said what he had to say
I think he is actually prepping the turf to start negotiations for Pato and that's the way to do it - by preparing the other side that you are not some stupid deep-pocketed millionaire they can milk like an idiot for whatever cash sum comes to mind.
And what complicates the negotiations even more is the presence of teams like Inter and Chelski, teams that are a perfect fit for the description I gave above.
Maybe some people were expecting him to say: "Hey Pato is awsome and we'll pay whatever it takes to have him" ... and then go to negotiate and try to drive Pato's price down ... well, those people might also use a minute or two to think things over before they start criticizing ;)
Zlat, you sound like you have no FM experience :grinser: If a player has a buyout clause (How much did you say it was for Pato? 15mil if I remember correctly?) then the club that wishes to buy him just need to match it. There's no point in offering 25mil when player's club MUST accept the offer with the number in buyout clause.
So Pato is avaliable for 15mil (?) + his salary. Is that too much for a wonderkid
who openly states his desire to join Milan???
Galliani is an idiot.
zlatanov
02-07-2007, 12:42
Zlat, you sound like you have no FM experience :grinser: If a player has a buyout clause (How much dod you say it was for Pato? 15mil if I remember correctly?) then the club that wishes to buy him just need to match it. There's no point in offering 25mil when player's club MUST accept the offer with the number in buyout clause.
So Pato is avaliable for 15mil (?) + his salary. Is that too much for a wonderkid
who openly states his desire to join Milan???
Galliani is an idiot.
I don't know how true it is but it's been suggested that Pato does not want to enforce the buy-out clause as he wants to help his team get as much as possible for him, as a gesture ... and given that he said that it doesn't matter for him where he would go - Milan, Inter, or CHelski - that might not change at all.
so all in all, I guess, these buy out clauses are provisional and depend on the player's willingness to use it.
So that may very well explain why Chelski and Inter are rumoured to be offering way more than his buy out clause is ... and quite frankly, if one can negotiate down the price of player below the buy-out cluase, why not do it?
Especially if there aren't any concrete/official offers for the player from other clubs as we simply don't know how true those rumours of CHelski and Inter offering 25 mil each are.
Trequartista
02-07-2007, 12:51
ummmm i cant believe im looking at photos of ronaldo in beachwear and i care! LOL
we'll get to see Buffon's opinion of Ronaldo A LOT, rest assured his dislike for Juve is still the same ;)
:grinser:
I wouldn't trust these pictures too much as Drucurl has obviously vastly improved his PS skills ...and with him providing the link, the picture is crystal clear :grinser:
Warro Bantan
02-07-2007, 12:52
When I first opened this thread (from the email notification) I had to go back and check my other internet news sources, to see if we actually had bought someone over the weekend...there were soooo many new pages of posts...and then...nothing...or rather more of the same...
I am relieved though, that we didnt pick up any useless players, though in all honesty, we rarely do that.
Zlatanov=Ronaldinho is one for the record books, as well as Drucurl being fatter than Ronaldo....amazing stuff.
I remain easy though, and relaxed, as I am quite sure we will sign the players we need, and go on to have a very successfull 2K7-8 season.
FORZA MIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILAN!!! FORZA GALLIANI & BERLU!
I haven't heard anything about Pato wanting to help his team. That doesn't mean it isn't true, I just don't think it is. For me, there are two explanations for these figures
1) The reported numbers include Pato's salary
2) Made up stories by journalists to sell papers
And since it's hard to believe that a 17 year old could get 2 mil a year for let's say 5 years (reported (25-15)/5), it leaves us with 2)
The only thing Pato has on his side is his age, thats all. When I look at him and talk about what I see I get criticized, fair enough he is young but please he is not the savior of football.
He had a chance last year against Barca to take the credit, he failed and im sure he will have other chances to shine. However in the U20 match he was no where to be seen, so he failed again? Maybe its just me and the games which involve Pato I decide to watch.
GilAttack [11]
02-07-2007, 13:13
The only thing Pato has on his side is his age, thats all. When I look at him and talk about what I see I get criticized, fair enough he is young but please he is not the savior of football.
He had a chance last year against Barca to take the credit, he failed and im sure he will have other chances to shine. However in the U20 match he was no where to be seen, so he failed again? Maybe its just me and the games which involve Pato I decide to watch.
No, you are not wrong. He is indeed overrated which doesnt mean he isnt good, but theres no need to compare him to Kaka or some other top soccer player.
If he were the exact same player but polish he wouldnt get half the media hype he is receiving.
Moreover, he wasnt even the best foward during the U-20 qualifier for this world cup being played in Canada (Edison Cavani was by far the best).
IMO he is a big gamble, and since Milan work on a budget I dont want to spend 15M on player that wont help for the next 2-3 years.
Hasan Rossonero
02-07-2007, 13:27
ADRIANO GALLIANI: "Garantisco al presidente del Real Madrid..."
02/07/2007
MILANO - Commento di Adriano Galliani: "Garantisco al presidente del Real Madrid Ramon Calderon che il prossimo 23 luglio Kakà sarà regolarmente presente a Milanello per iniziare la preparazione assieme ai suoi compagni di squadra; che il 31 agosto, da campione d'Europa, giocherà a Montecarlo la Finale di Super Coppa Europea Milan-Siviglia; che disputerà il Mondiale per Club in Giappone nel prossimo mese di dicembre".
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Translation:
I guarantee Presiden Calderon that on July 23 Kaka will be present at Milanello to start preparing with Milan.
Then he lists the tournaments etc.
I've never seen a club this disgusted with another club. I like it that way. :grinser:
ACMILAN1983
02-07-2007, 13:28
Reasonable and stupid at the same time. We'd rather spend average money on average players than greatly on the players who can take us up a level. managed by morons.
The average players have made us the most successful club in football over the last 5 years and the moronic management has been one of the most successful in football for the past 20 years they've been in charge.
Also, if Pato right now is the player to take us up to the next level, then I want whatever your smoking :uhm:
To respond to the pics of Ronaldo provided be Dru
RONALDO TRAINING WITH TOGNACCINI IN BRAZIL
7/2/2007
MILAN - Milan fitness coach Daniele Tognaccini arrived in Rio De Janeiro today to start working with Ronaldo. The Brazilian champion will undergo specific pre-preparation work to arrive in top form by the time he meets Milan for the training retreat on July 23. Ronaldo and Tognaccini are training right now. Tognaccini will stay in Brazil for the entire first week of Ronaldo's training
Ronaldo's personalised training hasn't even begun yet, the R99 for next season will still be in much better shape than what we see in the pics.
Hello Everyone, I am from HK.
And had been a long time Milan fan, not just someone jumping onto the winning wagon.
Anyhow, I saw a promotion sign about a China's Resort today and it is a resort that will be holding a game with Barcelona FC with the local team. The interesting thing is that on the poster, it features Frank's face, Dinho's face, so has Deco, Messi and Henry, but there is no ETO.
Well, thats sounded quite interesting to me. I know Pugol is not there too, but Pugol is a defender and eventhough he is great but he is not a popular defender like Canna, Nesta or Maldini.
So it just maybe that Eto is leaving Barcelona.
Welcome to MM :)
Hasan Rossonero
02-07-2007, 13:40
Eto’o commits to Barca
Monday 2 July, 2007
Milan target Samuel Eto’o has stated that he will not leave Barcelona despite the rumours linking him with a summer move.
The Rossoneri are keen on netting the Cameroon international and Thierry Henry’s arrival at the Nou Camp has fuelled speculation that the Blaugrana might consider letting the hitman leave.
“Milan President Silvio Berlusconi favours the technical aspects and wants to sign Ronaldinho, whereas Coach Carlo Ancelotti would like to sign me,” Eto’o told Spanish newspaper Marca.
“But you can tell Berlusconi from me, and I think I can also speak on behalf of Ronaldinho, that neither of us are leaving Barcelona,” added the striker.
Eto’o declared that he is pleased to welcome Henry to the team, as he believes his arrival will make the Catalan side even stronger, although no games will be taken for granted.
“I have told Titi that he has joined a great club, but that we are going to be under immense pressure because we cannot afford to lose any matches,” he said.
“It is like that because we have to be the best, but football is not an exact science. We have to show respect for all our opponents,” concluded Eto’o.
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I know this sounds crazy, but here's my reasoning:
Eto'o has always unequivocally denied wanting to leave Barcelona. Ronaldinho has not been as emphatic.
I really have a feeling that Ronaldinho is the more likely player to come out of the two. Here are the three main reasons I think this:
1) It has been quiet on his front
2) The soccernet article may have been twisted around, but I don't know if it was to the extent that some believe on here
3) We've been working with Dinho's agent for a year
4) He has always spoken about Milan in glowing terms (unlike Eto'o, who seems irritated anytime his possible exit is mentioned).
I'm not saying Dinho will come, just that he is the more likely of the two to come.
Hasan Rossonero -> the most valuable MM member in last 30 days :D
Great job Hasan. Very informative. I really enjoy your posts !
rosoneri_11
02-07-2007, 14:44
Pato has a contract release clause of 15 million euros! That means there is NO bidding war ! Any club that pays out the 15 million euros can offer a contract directly to the player [so the club is not involved in the negociation] - we know that from Football Manager ] - so there is no need to splash 25 mil. euros for that ! IF Chelsea/Milan/Inter other clubs also wish to sign him, they will battle for his signature (higher wage, signing fee, etc) BUT NOT with bids.How about that? Does anyone think that?
GilAttack [11]
02-07-2007, 14:48
Yeah, you can hear it from Eto'o if you go to "www.marca.com", its on the front page.
we've made our summer signings, Ba and Ronaldo! :devf:
Milan_Mad
02-07-2007, 14:53
we've made our summer signings, Ba and Ronaldo! :devf:Ronaldo will be the signing of the season :pp20:
Wilmot II
02-07-2007, 15:08
But Pato was really good in my Championship Manager game! Of course we should spend 15m on him!
:rolleyes:
Same old, same old. We have far to much need in the transfer markets (for example, in defence) to spend a vast sum of money on a pretty much unheralded youngster. Yes, he has potential. Of course, people said that about Francis Jeffers.
Francis Jeffers, Clinton Morrison and Danny Cadamatari were all labelled as the new and better versions of Micheal Owen. All potential should be laced with some caution.
To all of you happy with Ronaldo, I can only state the following: let's simply wait till he pick his first serious injury, it's just a matter of time.
Francis Jeffers, Clinton Morrison and Danny Cadamatari were all labelled as the new and better versions of Micheal Owen. All potential should be laced with some caution.
One must take some risks from time to time... and since we're generally a very cautious side, I don't think that an eventual failure regarding Pato will 'destroy' us.
Warro Bantan
02-07-2007, 16:02
To all of you happy with Ronaldo, I can only state the following: let's simply wait till he pick his first serious injury, it's just a matter of time. My, what positive thinking! A sure optimist if ever I saw one!
:rollani:
I bet when Kaka' comes back from holiday, as someone on goal.com said, he'll be really entusiastic with "new and improved" Milan! Another season with non stop playing and doing it all by himself... he'll be trilled!!
I bet when Kaka' comes back from holiday, as someone on goal.com said, he'll be really entusiastic with "new and improved" Milan! Another season with non stop playing and doing it all by himself... he'll be trilled!!
I think you´re absolutly right, they have to show Kaka that they are serious in their attempt to strengthen the team if not he will go for the money its simple as that! This time we have to go for the serie A title not this rubbish" winning in Europe is better then serie A" there is a reason why our league is in decline if one of the biggest team don't find it interesting enough! And yes I know we had all sorts of problem this season but now we don't have any excuses at all, so we better show Inter and the rest who´s the boss! Forza Milan
One must take some risks from time to time... and since we're generally a very cautious side, I don't think that an eventual failure regarding Pato will 'destroy' us.
i completely agree with you on both your posts.
Can anyone send a video, biogaphy or something else about Pato?.
Bosniaco
02-07-2007, 16:38
If I was Kaka' I would ask Milan to let me go too, or I would say buy some good players so I dont have to win CL by my self again. I like the fact that we won the CL but wining the CL was not a good thing for us because now Galliani doesnt want to send money to buy new players because he thinks we have"champions" in our squad. Yes they are champions but Champions that are probably not going to win anything next Season. Maldini is 39, Cafu is 36, Serginho is 36, Nesta is 31 (which is ok),Costacurta was like 41 and thank God he retired, Favalli is 35, Simic is 33 (and useless) I mean come on what kind of defence is this. I know these are all great players but we need to look to the future. Even Oddo is like 30 years old and Janku. Two players from our defence that are under the age of 30 are Bonera and Grimi ( He played like two games last season).
Kaka has to play with a player like Inzaghi that cant shoot, cant dribble, does not have any pace, phisicly not strong and old, Kaka has to play with Gila, this guy cant do anything exepct put the ball in the net if it is 3 yards out. By the way I can do this too. Oliveria is out of form. Ronaldo just came to Milan.
If I was Kaka I would leave if the things stay this way.
zlatanov
02-07-2007, 16:49
poor Kaka :5inter: :5inter: :5inter: :5inter:
:rolleyes:
zlatanov
02-07-2007, 17:07
OK, now that I have wiped out my tears and calmed down a bit :D ... let's spread some joy around :grinser:
http://www.tgcom.mediaset.it/controcampo/articoli/articolo368872.shtml
Heinze is the latest LB linked with Milan - the artcle says that some phone calls have been made to check on the players availability and is believed that Milan sees him as a very good choice for a player who could fill in two slots in defense without the team having to made a heavy financial sacrifice - expected cost, transfer fee only, is 6-n mil euros.
Arildonardo
02-07-2007, 17:08
I can't believe Liverpool are getting Fernando Torres without any competition... From us. We need a world-class striker and he is one of the best available. Shevchenko, Eto'o, Ronaldinho, Adriano seems unlikely targets now I think.
Arildonardo
02-07-2007, 17:09
OK, now that I have wiped out my tears and calmed down a bit :D ... let's spread some joy around :grinser:
http://www.tgcom.mediaset.it/controcampo/articoli/articolo368872.shtml
Heinze is the latest LB linked with Milan - the artcle says that some phone calls have been made to check on the players availability and is believed that Milan sees him as a very good choice for a player who could fill in two slots in defense without the team having to made a heavy financial sacrifice - expected cost, transfer fee only, is 6-n mil euros.
Heinze? Hmmm... He's ok defensively, but on the attack he can't do anything and we have always had attacking fullbacks.
zlatanov
02-07-2007, 17:10
I can't believe Liverpool are getting Fernando Torres without any competition... From us. We need a world-class striker and he is one of the best available. Shevchenko, Eto'o, Ronaldinho, Adriano seems unlikely targets now I think.
slight correction there - without any competition ... ends there ;) ... unless of course you count Inter for a serious competitior with real intentions, a team that has been linked with any player out there giving out the slightest signs of breathing activity
Warro Bantan
02-07-2007, 17:11
While I rate Torres highly, I dont think he is worth his transfer fee...and certainly, may very well come here and do a "Jose Mari"...or worse, put in a performance like that other Spanish striker we got (cant remember his name, so poor was he) who we bought after a stunning season, which climaxed with his club losing after holding Liverpool 4-4 in the UEFA Cup final...name on the tip of my tongue, but cant remember it.
The thing is, more often than not, Spanish players flop in Italy...Mendieta was a rare exception, or perhaps the exception that proves the rule.
I am not disappointed in "losing" Torres...he is quite overrated IMO..a good striker yes, but a great? Nah, dont think so, and not worried either.
Arildonardo
02-07-2007, 17:13
slight correction there - without any competition ... ends there ;) ... unless of course you count Inter for a serious competitior with real intentions, a team that has been linked with any player out there giving out the slightest signs of breathing activity
As you said Inter have been linked with all the players in the world, of course their interest in all of them aren't real. I've never heard about them making an offer for Torres.
Arildonardo
02-07-2007, 17:14
While I rate Torres highly, I dont think he is worth his transfer fee...and certainly, may very well come here and do a "Jose Mari"...or worse, put in a performance like that other Spanish striker we got (cant remember his name, so poor was he) who we bought after a stunning season, which climaxed with his club losing after holding Liverpool 4-4 in the UEFA Cup final...name on the tip of my tongue, but cant remember it.
The thing is, more often than not, Spanish players flop in Italy...Mendieta was a rare exception, or perhaps the exception that proves the rule.
I am not disappointed in "losing" Torres...he is quite overrated IMO..a good striker yes, but a great? Nah, dont think so, and not worried either.
I don't think it's right to compare Torres to Jose Mari or Javi Moreno. Jose Mari have never been anywhere near the talent that Torres are.
zlatanov
02-07-2007, 17:17
Heinze? Hmmm... He's ok defensively, but on the attack he can't do anything and we have always had attacking fullbacks.
not exactly true IMO - the best football we played when we had one attacking fullback while the other one was a more defensively solid player. It's in those years that we played our most dominant football with giving very little away in defense, which gave more security to the midfield in creating the attacks.
Plus Heinze is pretty decent going forward - he was a menace before his injury and if we can get him back on track (don't see any reason why we couldn't do it) we'd have ourselves a player not much dif than what Abidal, for instance, would have given us.
so far, however, there doesn't seem to be anything concrete about Heinze coming to Milan, although one would expect that since we tried to get Abidal, we are looking to strengthen the LB position and if we can't land Zambro, Heinze would be a pretty good alternative to those two.
Warro Bantan
02-07-2007, 17:19
I don't think it's right to compare Torres to Jose Mari. Jose Mari have never been anywhere near the talent that Torres are. Indeed Arildonardo...u have a point..but I still maintain that Spaniards are less likely to succeed in Italy, based on the results of the majority of Spanish players who have made moves to Italy.
I challenge you to name me one Spanish player, apart from Mendieta, who has come to Italy, and done well enough, at the very least, to cement a starting position with his club team, much less to be a "certified" star.
That is the point I am making...its too much of a risk to pay a huge amount of money...which is why I think that Milan have looked elsewhere for a forward. :respect:
Arildonardo
02-07-2007, 17:20
not exactly true IMO - the best football we played when we had one attacking fullback while the other one was a more defensively solid player. It's in those years that we played our most dominant football with giving very little away in defense, which gave more security to the midfield in creating the attacks.
Plus Heinze is pretty decent going forward - he was a menace before his injury and if we can get him back on track (don't see any reason why we couldn't do it) we'd have ourselves a player not much dif than what Abidal, for instance, would have given us.
so far, however, there doesn't seem to be anything concrete about Heinze coming to Milan, although one would expect that since we tried to get Abidal, we are looking to strengthen the LB position and if we can't land Zambro, Heinze would be a pretty good alternative to those two.
I see your point, but I disagree. I don't rate Heinze that highly after seeing him play for Manchester United before and after his injury. Actually I'd rather have Grosso from Inter as LB, if we can't have Zambrotta that is.
zlatanov
02-07-2007, 17:21
While I rate Torres highly, I dont think he is worth his transfer fee...and certainly, may very well come here and do a "Jose Mari"...or worse, put in a performance like that other Spanish striker we got (cant remember his name, so poor was he) who we bought after a stunning season, which climaxed with his club losing after holding Liverpool 4-4 in the UEFA Cup final...name on the tip of my tongue, but cant remember it.
The thing is, more often than not, Spanish players flop in Italy...Mendieta was a rare exception, or perhaps the exception that proves the rule.
I am not disappointed in "losing" Torres...he is quite overrated IMO..a good striker yes, but a great? Nah, dont think so, and not worried either.
not just that but what seems to be stopping his transfer to Pool for now is his wage demands of 7.5 mil euros/season - which is 1 mil higher that the highest salary in Italy, and Milan too.
anyone here believing Milan would change their whole salary policy and risk having half of the team asking for a raise just accomodate the whims of a player who has yet to prove he worth even half of that money?
Moreno ... Javier Moreno i think
While I rate Torres highly, I dont think he is worth his transfer fee...
Warro what makes you rate him highly may I ask? His young yes, he has skill and pace yes but c'mon he is way overrated. He scored a bunch of goals this season which is great but how many of them were Penalties? I know the argument can always go for and against because Kaka didnt score many domestically and some of them were penalties but Torres does not appeal to me, especially considering the wages he wants.
Warro Bantan
02-07-2007, 17:23
Thanks Jim!! Moreno!! What a flop!! I do give him credit however, for effort, but in the end, he just wasnt good enuf.
Arildonardo
02-07-2007, 17:28
Indeed Arildonardo...u have a point..but I still maintain that Spaniards are less likely to succeed in Italy, based on the results of the majority of Spanish players who have made moves to Italy.
I challenge you to name me one Spanish player, apart from Mendieta, who has come to Italy, and done well enough, at the very least, to cement a starting position with his club team, much less to be a "certified" star.
That is the point I am making...its too much of a risk to pay a huge amount of money...which is why I think that Milan have looked elsewhere for a forward. :respect:
Well, I really don't know many spaniards that have come to play in Serie A. I can only remember one real spanish star-player that have come to Serie A, Mendieta, and he did well.
The others like Jose Mari (great talent that haven't even done particularly well in Spain before or after his time in Milan), Javi Moreno (one-season-wonder in Spain brought to Milan as a backup striker) and Francisco Farinos (not exactly a star-player) have never been stars of the game and therefore must be excused for not cutting it in Serie A.
Torres is a star-player just like Mendieta was, so I don't see any reason why he can't become a great player in Milan.
I think it's slightly expensive, but then he was never going to be cheap was he. He has all the qualities to be an amazing player in 3 or 4 years time, he can terrorise defences, he's been a heavy goalscorer in the past, has pace to burn, is pretty good with his distribution, has some skill and has been the leader of his club for the past few years and he's only 23.
I'm not sure what else people are expecting him to do at this age.
Warro Bantan
02-07-2007, 17:33
I rate Torres highly because he has always performed for his club, Atletico, who have never had a surplus of "star" players, or even midfielders who could give him the supply that say a Guiti, a Pirlo or a Xavi could...
Torres burst on the scene as a 17 year old, and has had solid season thereafter...not in double figures all the time admittedly, cant seem to score vs Madrid to save his life...but always comes up with the goods vs Barca...
He performed creditably well for Spain in the World Cup...and could have done better I thought had they managed to stay in the tournament a bit longer.
I dont consider him Milan material though, but a good enuf striker by all counts...I mean, he could easily be in the top 10 or 15 strikers in the world, and I will just, off the top of my head, reel off 10 or so that come to mind based on last season´s performances, and not in any specific sequence:
Drogba
Van Nistelrooy
Ibrahimovic
Ronaldo
Torres
Villa
Etoo
Klose
Toni
Crespo
There, and I didnt even think too hard, and while I could have named a few more before I named Torres, I purposely left his name in there, and indeed, it doesnt look that out of place, now does it?
Again, he isnt worth 21M pounds, and 7M pounds per year in salary, but I would have taken him for say, 10M pounds, with a regular "star" salary of say 3 or 4M pounds net per year.
Im also satisfied that we didnt pay 30-35 mil for Torres. He hasnt developet in last 3 years a bit. But im not satisfied with hainze as I believe he is a player that cant play smart and with calm, and that is what we need in Milan. not fast enough and lost some of his skills that he had when he was on top of his game. But since we have Serginho who is half injured, Favalli who is half dead and Ba who is...the man from the past, Heinze could do well in rotation with Marek and can also cover for CB position. the main thing is, of course, he doesnt cost much.
A little story...today im riding my bike and I come across my uncle who tells me: " hey, havent you heard, Milan signed Ronaldinho today!" So I said: " what, where did you hear that?" He: " I heard it somewhere, im sure 100% ". And since I vasnt on the interned untill this evening, and anything is possible on mercato,I rushed back home like a mad man to se what is happening, and... it was a joke from my uncle who is a Juventino... Next time I see him he'll get what he deserves :gun: :grinser: And when I think how we went to Milan-Inter together! from now on, its war!!! :)
Warro Bantan
02-07-2007, 17:37
:haha: mrki!! What a cruel Uncle you have!!
Dont worry, it might actually come true, and then who will have the last laugh?
hitmannq8
02-07-2007, 17:37
zlat, you forgot to mention that Heinze costs 6 million + a non-EU spot.
Hasan Rossonero
02-07-2007, 17:39
We will get one of these strikers/forwards (God willing):
Shevchenko, Eto'o or Ronaldinho.
I think in order of likelihood, I'd put them as follows:
1) Sheva
2) Ronaldinho
3) Eto'o
The management has said a player will arrive FOR SURE, but we need to be patient. I don't see what the issue is here. Real haven't bought anyone of note, and neither have Chelsea. Liverpool are overpaying for Torres.
Everyone needs to relax. And those who say are team are old?? Don't the same people say that every year?
Arildonardo
02-07-2007, 17:40
I rate Torres highly because he has always performed for his club, Atletico, who have never had a surplus of "star" players, or even midfielders who could give him the supply that say a Guiti, a Pirlo or a Xavi could...
Torres burst on the scene as a 17 year old, and has had solid season thereafter...not in double figures all the time admittedly, cant seem to score vs Madrid to save his life...but always comes up with the goods vs Barca...
He performed creditably well for Spain in the World Cup...and could have done better I thought had they managed to stay in the tournament a bit longer.
I dont consider him Milan material though, but a good enuf striker by all counts...I mean, he could easily be in the top 10 or 15 strikers in the world, and I will just, off the top of my head, reel off 10 or so that come to mind based on last season´s performances, and not in any specific sequence:
Drogba
Van Nistelrooy
Ibrahimovic
Ronaldo
Torres
Villa
Etoo
Klose
Toni
Crespo
There, and I didnt even think too hard, and while I could have named a few more before I named Torres, I purposely left his name in there, and indeed, it doesnt look that out of place, now does it?
Again, he isnt worth 21M pounds, and 7M pounds per year in salary, but I would have taken him for say, 10M pounds, with a regular "star" salary of say 3 or 4M pounds net per year.
If you think Torres belongs on that list then I can't believe you wouldn't pay more than 10 million pounds for him. He's only 23, the youngest on that list. None of the other players there would be available for as little as that, well maybe Crespo... A 23 year old player on that list is definitely worth 21 million.
Hasan Rossonero
02-07-2007, 17:41
zlat, you forgot to mention that Heinze costs 6 million + a non-EU spot.
Heinze has a German passport:http://www.tgcom.mediaset.it/controcampo/articoli/articolo368872.shtml
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/3735065.stm
I rate Torres highly because he has always performed for his club, Atletico, who have never had a surplus of "star" players, or even midfielders who could give him the supply that say a Guiti, a Pirlo or a Xavi could...
Torres burst on the scene as a 17 year old, and has had solid season thereafter...not in double figures all the time admittedly, cant seem to score vs Madrid to save his life...but always comes up with the goods vs Barca...
Thanks Warro I understand where you're coming from now and I do remember when Torres first came on to the scene, you could see he had potential and was going to go far, however I just think he hasn't reached the level which would place him in the super striker category.
It will be interesting to watch him develop in Liverpool and to look at how Rafa plays him, we are talking about a team where the strikers aren't top notch and the midfield controls everything.
That Ba story is kinda' weird... I haven't read anything about it on the official site.
liverpool's central midfield is possibly the strongest (definately in physical terms) around ... Gerrard, Lucas, Mascherano, Sissoko & Alonso, what they lack is the players to go wide and break defences down. This is where Torres will feature, his pace and running will provide space for the workman/solid forwards in Kuyt, Crouch & Voronin.
But he can't do it alone, Liverpool will need another top quality winger/wide-forward who can deliver, someone like Quaresma. Torres-Kuyt-Quaresma behind 3 of those 5 midfielders sounds pretty strong.
Warro, £10 million for Torres? That was never going to happen :D
Hasan Rossonero
02-07-2007, 17:52
We will get one of these strikers/forwards (God willing):
Shevchenko, Eto'o or Ronaldinho.
I think in order of likelihood, I'd put them as follows:
1) Sheva
2) Ronaldinho
3) Eto'o
The management has said a player will arrive FOR SURE, but we need to be patient. I don't see what the issue is here. Real haven't bought anyone of note, and neither have Chelsea. Liverpool are overpaying for Torres.
Everyone needs to relax. And those who say are team are old?? Don't the same people say that every year?
Edit: Those who say our team is old...
To sign Shevchenko is to walk backwards.... we have to move FORWARD!
Warro Bantan
02-07-2007, 17:53
Warro, £10 million for Torres? That was never going to happen :D Yeah, but one can hope cant one? :D
Arildonardo
02-07-2007, 17:56
To sign Shevchenko is to walk backwards.... we have to move FORWARD!
Agreed. Shevchenko was great at Milan, but his time is over. Although he was one of my favorites when he was at our club I hope the management are thinking more about other solutions.
Hasan Rossonero
02-07-2007, 18:00
Agreed. Shevchenko was great at Milan, but his time is over. Although he was one of my favorites when he was at our club I hope the management are thinking more about other solutions.
I also agree, though I wouldn't be devastated if he came. I am warming to the idea.
I hope we sign a top class forward and a defender. That would be enough I think.
kastriot
02-07-2007, 18:01
Hasan Thank god u changed you`re avatar....It was hard to see Moratis face, even more these couple of weeks...when you are the best poster around :5ok:
Yeah, but one can hope cant one? :D
of course ... hope doesn't cost a penny :D
Warro Bantan
02-07-2007, 18:12
Depends on the context...I knew this girl named Hope once...ah, actually, the less said about that whole affair, the better.
Hasan Rossonero
02-07-2007, 18:14
Hasan Thank god u changed you`re avatar....It was hard to see Moratis face, even more these couple of weeks...when you are the best poster around :5ok:
Yeah it was meant to be ironic, but after Suazo went to Inter, I was compelled to change it.
Thanks for the compliment. :1five:
Depends on the context...I knew this girl named Hope once...ah, actually, the less said about that whole affair, the better.
Hope only charges in £100 denominations :depress: :rotfl:
Hasan Rossonero
02-07-2007, 18:27
Hasan Rossonero -> the most valuable MM member in last 30 days :D
Great job Hasan. Very informative. I really enjoy your posts !
Thanks man. Your posts are always very insightful, even if sometimes you see the world in black and white. :D
zlatanov
02-07-2007, 19:11
Heinze has a German passport:http://www.tgcom.mediaset.it/controcampo/articoli/articolo368872.shtml
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/3735065.stm
actually, I believe I read somewhere that he has an Italian passport too, not that it matters though given that he has a Greman one for sure.
I liked you previous avatar better though ... dare I say it - Moratti's contribution to this Milan side is times more than that of Nesta :D
kastriot
02-07-2007, 19:14
actually, I believe I read somewhere that he has an Italian passport too, not that it matters though given that he has a Greman one for sure.
I liked you previous avatar better though ... dare I say it - Moratti's contribution to this Milan side is times more than that of Nesta
:grinser: :grinser: :grinser: :grinser:
Someone will get killed from all this sarcasm in MM
Hasan Rossonero
02-07-2007, 19:17
actually, I believe I read somewhere that he has an Italian passport too, not that it matters though given that he has a Greman one for sure.
I liked you previous avatar better though ... dare I say it - Moratti's contribution to this Milan side is times more than that of Nesta :D
heheh...
Hey man, do you think the Kaka asking Berlu to move thread should be merged to this one? Otherwise every Kaka rumour that is going to surface from now until the end of the summer (probably plenty knowing AS and Calderon), will fill up the transfers section.
Btw, what do you make of the latest Kaka shenanigans? Is this just getting desperate or what? God willing Kaka is very clear with his will to stay at Milan when he comes back from vacation.
zlatanov
02-07-2007, 19:37
heheh...
Hey man, do you think the Kaka asking Berlu to move thread should be merged to this one? Otherwise every Kaka rumour that is going to surface from now until the end of the summer (probably plenty knowing AS and Calderon), will fill up the transfers section.
Btw, what do you make of the latest Kaka shenanigans? Is this just getting desperate or what? God willing Kaka is very clear with his will to stay at Milan when he comes back from vacation.
I guess we could leave the thread on its own for now 'cause as you said it - there will be a number of other "desperate ASS calls" and people are likely to open a new thead every time.
as for the rumour itself it totally fabricated to the point of getting annoying ... it was actually funny at first but not anymore.
not sure how smart the people at real are - obviously not much - but it doesn't take much to realize that once you pass a certain boundary and get the management of the other team angry, you are scoring own goals from then on ... I mean, after these antics if before they had a 1% chance of bringing kaka to Real, now it's beyond imagination to think of it happening with Silvio and galliani probably out of their skins already.
Hasan Rossonero
02-07-2007, 19:55
Right you are. It is well beyond the point of being funny. It's actually bordering on criminal, and if Milan are serious they should sue the paper. They are attributing words to Berlusconi...bizarre. I also think Perez would have handled it a bit better. However, I think Berlu would've given him short shrift as well.
This article has always interested me: http://www.gazzetta.it/community/Calcio/Calciomercato/Primo_Piano/2007/06_Giugno/17/kaka_full.shtml
Now, Gazzetta is very pro-Inter and pro-Milan, but they are seldom wrong about stuff. A lot of Spanish people on another forum don't take AS seriously at all. It has a reputation of being a tabloid, a rag that is to be laughed at, or, if we're being more precise, the mouthpiece of the great circus that is Real Madrid.
But really this story suggests that Kaka told Mijatovic to kindly buzz off. Yet it doesn't list any sources. In that capacity, it is doing exactly what AS is doing in creating the story without giving sources; yet I somehow believe it due to the credibility of the paper.
Latest speculation suggests that Real are going to buy Chivu with Cannavaro going the other way.
http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/index.php?action=read&id=65421
Blacktop
02-07-2007, 20:27
Livorno are saying they want £5 million for Ameilia ... Dida, Ameilia & Kalac sounds a decent enough string of keeps.
Well, anything to knock Kalac further down the totem pole. But do you think Amelia wants to go from starter at Livorno to Abbiati: The Sequel and sit on his can for a few years?
Rojo y Negro
02-07-2007, 22:47
Galliani and Berlusconi keep telling us that they will sign somone great.
I still have this burning feeling that Berlusconi's dream might come true and R10 will sign for Milan. There has no been many rumours regarding a move to Milan and I can't remember the last time that R10 came out and told Milan No but thank you.
I have a feeling that it will take tme to wrap up his signing and thats why Barca are spending like crazy and Galliani and Berlusconi are asking us to be Patient.
I believe that he will be presented to the team on July 23rd when training resumes.
Galliani and Berlusconi keep telling us that they will sign somone great.
I still have this burning feeling that Berlusconi's dream might come true and R10 will sign for Milan. There has no been many rumours regarding a move to Milan and I can't remember the last time that R10 came out and told Milan No but thank you.
I have a feeling that it will take time to wrap up his signing and thats why Barca are spending like crazy and Galliani and Berlusconi are asking us to be Patient.
I believe that he will be presented to the team on July 23rd when training resumes.
Then again it could be Emile Heskey :wallbang:
then acmilan.com will splash his name in gold across the front page and we'll hear Ancelotti praising him for his "fantastic abilities" Braida would say he has been tracking him since the U-17's and Galliani would say that he has always been a HUGE fan of him :v46:
Then Zlat will come on and say that it's a great transfer and post his 100m lap times (he is quite a fast player actually :eekani: ). And to place the final nails in the coffin Warro will say that we don't know anything about managing a big team and that evil juventino :D Would come on praising Heskey (while secretly glad that we missed/ messed up on Torres, Huntelaar, Pato'o, Klose, Suazo :stupid: Eto'o (wages too high my black @$$ :wth: ), Henry AND Ronaldinho)
In which case my only friend will be mzk57 because Heskey is not a romantic good looking boy and is actually another useless cowardly giant :stupid: and it's really as simple as that :bri:
hitmannq8
02-07-2007, 23:16
My first choice is, was and will be Shevchenko. It will not be a step backward, this is Andrei Shevchenko. He was supposed to be our captain, our football style has been defined on his characteristic. Not any player in the world will do better next season in Milan than Shevchenko. I will welcome Sheva with open-arms. I personally don't think he left for the money, nor do I think he wants to come back cuz we are winning again.
Sheva should be the one we want back. I think our management want to bring Sheva back along with another superstar. I'll tell you why: it's because they keep saying Sheva's price is too much we will not buy him - which in other words means a cheap affordable transfer - which means it is NOT a major transfer. A major transfer in their eyes will be a big splash of money and they keep saying there will be a major transfer.
Milan are unpredictable, they could end up signing Ronaldinho + Sheva and they could end up signing Corradi + Di Viao, so I cannot guess whats going to happen.
Players that are officially on the market and are the best deals out there right now are: Carlos Tevez and Antonio Cassano.
GilAttack [11]
02-07-2007, 23:43
Cassano is italian, has no place in Real Madrid and was linked to Milan.
Tevez is argentinean (we always favour brazilians over them), has some kind of messy contract with that Kia Joorabchian, and was never linked to Milan.
I have mixed feelings about Shevchenko. If he comes back, I will welcome him back with open arms but right now he is not among my favorite options.
And lets forget about Torres (thanks God IMO) since he is joining Liverpool.
Shevchenko already past it's prime, let's face the reality...
']Cassano is italian, has no place in Real Madrid and was linked to Milan.
Totally agree with Cassano. He can lost weight like Ronaldo:D. And I think he is very cheap, because Real want to get rid of him (4m/season for nothing seem to be a little much :zany: )
Totally agree with Cassano. He can lost weight like Ronaldo:D. And I think he is very cheap, because Real want to get rid of him (4m/season for nothing seem to be a little much :zany: )
.... and he will bring all things upside down with his awful character.
rosoneri_11
03-07-2007, 03:53
Liverpool signed Torres.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/6239286.stm
.... and he will bring all things upside down with his awful character.
IMO, he has "that awful character" just because he is famous and highly rated. But I think now he know what he should do. Giving up top football at 25 is not a good choice.
rosoneri_11
03-07-2007, 04:06
If our main target is Sheva, i prefer Huntelaar over him.
Whats going on with Huntelaar? I haven't listen for him for a big time.
I think he has been link with some clubs. But only slight rumors. I think Ajax will keep him this year. Babel's chance to leave is even higher than Huntelaar. I don't really understand why big clubs doesn't seem to be interested in Huntelaar those some attackers from Holland like Ibra, Ruud are doing very well.
Liverpool signed Torres.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foo...ope/6239286.stm
comparing to the rumors last year, Liverpool got him quite easy. Is this news official?
rosoneri_11
03-07-2007, 04:17
Is this news official?
I rhink not yet.
If our main target is Sheva, i prefer Huntelaar over him.
Whats going on with Huntelaar? I haven't listen for him for a big time.
Huntelaar is kinda underrated, few marketing
Completly insane hire Fernando Torres by 24 pounds more 2 players
Anyway, obviously Benitez wants a spanish colony in Liverpool and I think this coach is good enough to improve Torres skills
Better for Milan that knows who is underrated and who is not, almost even doing good acquisitions
To get things started, it would be nice if we simply trade Oliveira for Cassano. And then we look to next mercato move, I would be satisfied with that as Oli doesnt have enough class ( football class, not manners ) to play for Milan. Cassano can only get better,and Milan can help him a lot. Plus, we would loose one non eu player and get one italian instead.
Hasan Rossonero
03-07-2007, 06:54
Galliani and Berlusconi keep telling us that they will sign somone great.
I still have this burning feeling that Berlusconi's dream might come true and R10 will sign for Milan. There has no been many rumours regarding a move to Milan and I can't remember the last time that R10 came out and told Milan No but thank you.
I have a feeling that it will take tme to wrap up his signing and thats why Barca are spending like crazy and Galliani and Berlusconi are asking us to be Patient.
I believe that he will be presented to the team on July 23rd when training resumes.
Yeah. Not only has the player not come out and said anything, but Barcelona have been relatively quiet on that front. Their silence can mean that there is a possibility, or that his sale is an ineffable matter.
I strongly hope it's the former. Berlu has been the only one who said that "Laporta would have to leave the country if he sold Dinho." But Laporta, in public, has only denied Dinho's exit once or twice.
Well you could be right there, Dinho has also been spotted in Milan.
If Berlu wants something he will not let go of it until he get's it and all of a sudden he says Dinho is untouchable?I think not. :zany:
Milan's management has always loved to make the quiet surprise signings.So this could become true.
Dinho would solve our problems in attack, we'd only need to make a swap deal with Real for Oli-Cas.
What do you guys think of Santa Cruz?
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jul3f.html
zlatanov
03-07-2007, 07:16
we might not even have to swap RO for Cassano - Real seems to willing to let him go for free as his salary of 4+ mil is only burdening them without the club getting anything in return from the player.
despite what it may look like, the Real-Kaka antics doesn't seem to have tarnished the good relations between the two clubs - that's what Galliani said here (http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/index.php?action=read&id=65478) - so we might as well get Cassano for free and send RO to some other club in exchange for a dif player or money (Villarreal seems to be interested in him and they would need a replacement for Forlan anyway ... and they are still looking for a new club for Riquelme too ;))
we might not even have to swap RO for Cassano - Real seems to willing to let him go for free as his salary of 4+ mil is only burdening them without the club getting anything in return from the player.
despite what it may look like, the Real-Kaka antics doesn't seem to have tarnished the good relations between the two clubs - that's what Galliani said here (http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/index.php?action=read&id=65478) - so we might as well get Cassano for free and send RO to some other club in exchange for a dif player or money (Villarreal seems to be interested in him and they would need a replacement for Forlan anyway ... and they are still looking for a new club for Riquelme too ;))
Riquelme is a very interesting player, but I doubt we'll go for him, since he has a bit of a negative temperament. :grinser:
where would we field him?In a 4-5-1 together with Kaka'?
If there's a player that doesn't fit in this Milan team it's Riquelme.
Think about it and try to imagine him in Milan. He's a player who has to have the ball all the time. Riquelme-Kaka-Pirlo is impossible to imagine. Where are Seedorf and the 2 strikers in this formation ?
In Argentina he works great with Messi (Kaka) and Veron (Pirlo) but Argentina plays with 2 DMC's and only 1 attacker while Milan is clearly going after another wc attacker and it clearly says Carlo won't use 4-5-1.
He won'tr accept the bench, also. He left Barcelona to be a starter in a minor team, he'll never join Milan to be a bencher.
Chivu is now apparently on his way to Madrid, Mijatovic is in Roma to solve the deal... Cannavaro-Chivu will also be a great partnership.
Galliani said he spoke with Mijatovic and that Kaka' will stay in Milan for sure, and we all know that already. If we can get Cassano for free as Zlatanov says, than why not? If he makes trouble just sell him or bench him and ok.
And the more time passes somehow I think Milan waits for Ronaldinho.. Barca bought Henry, Abidal, Toure, they'll also go for G.Milito or some other CD, and probably Lampard. After they get all those players, Laporta will sell Ronaldinho and get his money back.
About Riquelme - we dont need him and we dont want him , he can play for Milan. Also, if you are seeing Copa America you can see that Messi is miles behind Kaka'...its all marketing tricks, this player will never be world's no.1 like Kaka' is now or Ronaldinho once was.
zlatanov
03-07-2007, 07:52
If there's a player that doesn't fit in this Milan team it's Riquelme.
Think about it and try to imagine him in Milan. He's a player who has to have the ball all the time. Riquelme-Kaka-Pirlo is impossible to imagine. Where are Seedorf and the 2 strikers in this formation ?
In Argentina he works great with Messi (Kaka) and Veron (Pirlo) but Argentina plays with 2 DMC's and only 1 attacker while Milan is clearly going after another wc attacker and it clearly says Carlo won't use 4-5-1.
He won'tr accept the bench, also. He left Barcelona to be a starter in a minor team, he'll never join Milan to be a bencher.
I can't say I disagree with what you said as I myself am not fully sold on having Riquelme at Milan, although that's mostly his attitude that makes him trouble for me.
True he is slower than Kaka and likes to play with the ball a bit too much probbaly but at the same time he isn't much different than Rui Costa ... all in all, we don't necessarily need Kaka #2 to relieve Kaka #1.
As for where he would play, he could play in Seedorf's role next to Kaka in a 1-striker system and can also be great in the fantasista role behind 2 strikers ... after all, Kaka cannot and should not play in all games and Milan doesn't have a suitable reliever for him, which results in Kaka being overused which isn't good for him and the team as a whole too.
I would be pretty content with Riquelme coming to Milan if it wasn't his dif character we'd have to deal with - and he's 29 or so yo, so it's too late for him to change that - as he seems to lose interest and motivation if he is not at the center of proceedings and at Milan he would always be in kaka's shadow and not only.
Riquelme is high class. I love him ( as a football fan loves football players :) ) but i still can't see him in Milan. I'm having trouble imagining him even in Inter.
I know he could play as a replacement for Kaka or even as Seedorf's replacement in 1 striker system but that's exactly why i don't see him in Milan - he doesn't look as someone who'll accept the bench and Milan won't be a 1 striker team if all these speculations about the new WC attacker are true.
If i was Milan coach i wouldn't hesitate a bit and i'd buy Riquelme and play him all the time. (Gattuso-DMC-Pirlo-Riquelme-Kaka-Ronaldo)
This is the CL winning formation (with Ronnie replacing Pippo and Riquelme Seedorf) and i think it could work, but Milan won't do smthg like this.
Also, if you are seeing Copa America you can see that Messi is miles behind Kaka'...its all marketing tricks, this player will never be world's no.1 like Kaka' is now or Ronaldinho once was.
I don't know if he'll ever be #1 , but Messi's playing his usual game and he's great. I enjoy watching him on CA. He opens so much space for the others, he's getting a lot of FK's, creates chances and his dribblings aren't Brazil-like dribblings (read: useless) because the team benefits from his magic.
And he's only 20 !
Say whatever you want but he's a phenomenon !
Kaka1899
03-07-2007, 08:23
.... and he will bring all things upside down with his awful character.
yes but he has had no real Disepline if he played for us just think would San Paolo let him disrupt,gattuso,Ronaldo,Dida,Carletto no they wouldnt stand for it they will put him in his place. i think we should sign him :bri:
Hasan Rossonero
03-07-2007, 08:25
Riquelme has supreme technique, but he needs a few things to flourish:
1) A coach who fervently believes in his abilities (Pekerman springs to mind)
2) A coach willing to build a team around him
3) A team willing to slow down their tempo as Riquelme works up to the tempo of the game
Using Riquelme as a sub in Milan, IMO, could work but it seems difficult. Every time Riquelme would come on, the tempo of the game would dramatically change.
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jul3f.html
Maybe Roque Santa Cruz ?
P.S : Oh and Dru....Heskey is a great player and Milan should sign him ASAP and play him as a starter in 1 striker system ! :5ok:
I still think our answers could be Obafi Martins, at 22 he has set the Premiership alight.
I still think our answers could be Obafi Martins, at 22 he has set the Premiership alight.
Lol, Martins is officially 22, but unoffically he's probably 31 :haha:
What about Santa Cruz, from Bayern?
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=342409
He said he would love to come in AC Milan, for any money :-)
He is young, talented,experienced.
I think he has one year of contract left, and wouldn't be too expensive.
Sorry Santa, it cant be done... :) Go to Werder.
Milan_Mad
03-07-2007, 09:50
he would be better of at Roma they need an out and out forward
Lol, Martins is officially 22, but unoffically he's probably 31 :haha:
lol, im not sure about the whole fiasco.
He looks over 30, but has the skill that of a 22 year old.
Arildonardo
03-07-2007, 10:00
After all the great strikers we've been linked to this summer I would be really disappointed if we ended up with Santa Cruz. We might as well have Heskey or Crouch... :grinser:
Hasan Rossonero
03-07-2007, 10:21
Milan refute Emerson talk
By Nadia Carminati - Created on 3 Jul 2007
Milan have moved swiftly to deny rumours of their potential interest in Emerson of Real Madrid.
The Brazilian signed for the Spanish giants only a year ago from Juventus, but has been linked with a switch back to Italy.
However, the rumours have been quashed by club chief officer Adriano Galliani, who revealed that his club are not looking to bolster their ranks in midfield.
"We are not interested in Emerson," he said.
"We are looking for a striker only, and it's possible that the one we want hasn't been mentioned yet."
Emerson made 34 appearances for Real Madrid last season, and Carlo Ancelotti has previously admitted his interest in the Brazil international, but the club appear to have ended any interest in the player.
Meanwhile, rumours suggesting that Kaka could be set to leave Milan have again been strongly denied, and Galliani has looked to draw the line under the reports for the final time.
"Kaka has a contract with Milan and he's happy to stay here," added Galliani
"The interest from big sides shows he's really the world's strongest player.
"I've asked to stop speculation referring to Kaka."
Kaka has been linked with a number of Europe's biggest clubs, and the Milan management have repeatedly been forced to deny the reports, guaranteeing the Brazilian will remain at the club for the foreseeable future.
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http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=474962&CPID=21&clid=120&lid=8&title=Milan+refute+Emerson+talk&channel=&
Hasan Rossonero
03-07-2007, 10:23
As Zlatanov mentioned, Calderon has given permission for Emerson and Cassano to leave:
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=23&a=47585
I don't know if he'll ever be #1 , but Messi's playing his usual game and he's great. I enjoy watching him on CA. He opens so much space for the others, he's getting a lot of FK's, creates chances and his dribblings aren't Brazil-like dribblings (read: useless) because the team benefits from his magic.
And he's only 20 !
Say whatever you want but he's a phenomenon !
Brazil is the country whom have more high level attack players in the history of football and it´s wouldn´t happen if the style of them were useless
Brazil's ways to play is like Careca, Zico, Ronaldo, Romário, Kaká, Raí, Falcão... not Ronaldinho and Robinho
Players like Ronaldinho and Robinho are just flops that Brazil use to earn money over stupid rich teams who hire all players who knows how to do circle moves with the ball
By the way, Messi is overrated and don´t know how to finnish well to the goal
The best argentin player to hire is Crespo, he is good professional and despite don´t have so much technical skills, is more useful than all players of Argentina
kastriot
03-07-2007, 10:43
I think getting cassano and emerson...Oli leaving.. than we get another star Striker/AMC is great deal!!!IMO
Ronaldo,Cassano,Gila,Pippo, Pato best fits here as his young and wont have problem to be benched!!
or Ronaldinho!!!
Hasan Rossonero
03-07-2007, 10:45
I think getting cassano and emerson...Oli leaving.. than we get another star Striker/AMC is great deal!!!IMO
Ronaldo,Cassano,Gila,Pippo, Pato best fits here as his young and wont have problem to be benched!!
or Ronaldinho!!!
I agree. We should trade Oli for Cassano. It seems Milan aren't genuinely interested in a midfielder.
i posted this during our last transfer window, to hopefully show that are "age" situation is not as desparate as some might think. Consistancy builds the team, not some big name signings that upset the "family atmostphere" in Milan. the loyality of the players stem from the comfort of that atmostphere, and its that atmostphere, which can transform the trouble some players into true professionals.
Defence - are we a little long in the tooth...yeah, but we have 5 maybe 6 world class defenders in their prime (25-32) & 3 veterens that can step in and provide leadership and experience. am i overly impressed with Marek, so and upgrade here is good...but instead of freaking out, maybe next year is when we swoop for Zambrotta?
24 - Grimi Leandro, D -22
25- Bonera, Daniele, D—26
18- Jankulovski, Marek, D—30
4- Kaladze, Kakha, D--30
13- Nesta, Alessandro, D--31
44- Oddo, Massimo, D-31
17- Simic, Dario, D--31
19- Favalli, Giuseppe, D—34
27- Serginho-36
2- Cafu, Marcos, D--37
3- Maldini, Paolo, D--39
Midfield...want another DM? then YOU tell Amborsini that he is relegated to the bench, because your surely not going to tell that to gattuso. I count 6 world class midfielders...and brocchi who is more than adequate against the minnows in Seria A.
20- Gourcuff, Yoann, M--21
22- Kaka, Ricardo, M--25
21- Pirlo, Andrea, M--29
8- Gattuso, Gennaro, M—29
23- Ambrosini, Massimo, M--30
10- Seedorf, Clarence, M--31
32- Brocchi, Christian, M—31
Strikers - looks like we need someone...and this is where management is currently focusing its attention. And while i have a tent pitched in the anti-gila camp, i am hoping and praying that this is his year.
11- Gilardino, Alberto, S--25
7- Oliveira, Ricardo, S--27
99- Ronaldo, S – 31
9- Inzaghi, Filippo, S--34
Goalies are Goalies, unless its buffon, or maybe ceczk, Dida is as good, if not better than everyone else out there.
1- Dida, Nelson, G --33
16- Kalac, Zeljko, G—32
26-Stori, Marco - 30
29- Fiori, Valerio, G--38
I think Milan fans should be quite settled this summer, especially after all the Bull over the 14 months. I know i am... :5ok:
Graeme C
03-07-2007, 11:44
looking at the age of the back 4 is worrying, why do we still have Serginho in at 36?
makes me even wonder if we would make a bid for zambrotta, another 30 year old. Grosso is 27?
In italy there isnt many other options,"someone prove me wrong" for Left back. Chiellini, Pasquale maybe..
If we could this summer, i would send out both Simic and Favalli and get Canini. I cant see better mentors than Billy, Maldini and Nesta IMO.
Midfield would prefer Maresca to Emerson, mainly because hes younger and Italian.
Warro Bantan
03-07-2007, 11:55
Santa Cruz = Gila, in terms of how they play, so I doubt we will go for another out and out striker....
I think we will actually get Ronaldinho, and probably a defender, and maybe a true striker, but really for a RO replacement...
Lets see what today´s rumors bring to the table!!
Midfield would prefer Maresca to Emerson, mainly because hes younger and Italian.
And he's also a much better player, fully agree.
26-Stori, Marco - 30
Storari left us and Fiori's on/off relationship with retirement is still continuing. Instead of persuading a keeper who's around 40 to keep prolonging retirement, why not get a young keeper who's just as good?
Amelia, Carrizo, Hildebrand, that Italian keeper at AEK Athens ... any one of them would be ideal to be our number 2 keeper. None of us know we can rely on Fiori because he's never been tested. Say Dida is injured again we'll have Kalac (who isn't very stable) and 'I want to retire' Fiori, doesn't exactly inspire confidence does it.
Hasan Rossonero
03-07-2007, 11:59
looking at the age of the back 4 is worrying, why do we still have Serginho in at 36?
makes me even wonder if we would make a bid for zambrotta, another 30 year old. Grosso is 27?
In italy there isnt many other options,"someone prove me wrong" for Left back. Chiellini, Pasquale maybe..
If we could this summer, i would send out both Simic and Favalli and get Canini. I cant see better mentors than Billy, Maldini and Nesta IMO.
Midfield would prefer Maresca to Emerson, mainly because hes younger and Italian.
Grosso is 30 this year, which, IMO, isn't a lot for a player in these modern times. I think a footballer's peak years are (27-31) generally but for a defender: (27-33).
Milan_Mad
03-07-2007, 12:09
Storari left us and Fiori's on/off relationship with retirement is still continuing. Instead of persuading a keeper who's around 40 to keep prolonging retirement, why not get a young keeper who's just as good?
Amelia, Carrizo, Hildebrand, that Italian keeper at AEK Athens ... any one of them would be ideal to be our number 2 keeper. None of us know we can rely on Fiori because he's never been tested. Say Dida is injured again we'll have Kalac (who isn't very stable) and 'I want to retire' Fiori, doesn't exactly inspire confidence does it.Hildebrand is now at valencia
Hildebrand is now at valencia
then forget him :D
By the way, Messi is overrated and don´t know how to finnish well to the goal
The best argentin player to hire is Crespo, he is good professional and despite don´t have so much technical skills, is more useful than all players of Argentina
:5ok: Agree.
And if Calderon really lets emerson and Cassano go, we should get them at low price and use them in rotation sistem like Carlo requested. Remember, we always needed someone good to sometimes replace Pirlo, and Emerosn can still play great football given that he is well prepared and rested. And you know Im on for Cassano from the beginning.
Haha, Galliani says the player we are for maybe isnt mentioned, wow, that would be something as we have mantioned everyone...maybe it really is Romario! :grinser:
24 - Grimi Leandro, D -22
25- Bonera, Daniele, D—26
18- Jankulovski, Marek, D—30
4- Kaladze, Kakha, D--30
13- Nesta, Alessandro, D--31
44- Oddo, Massimo, D-31
17- Simic, Dario, D--31
19- Favalli, Giuseppe, D—34
27- Serginho-36
2- Cafu, Marcos, D--37
3- Maldini, Paolo, D--39
20- Gourcuff, Yoann, M--21
22- Kaka, Ricardo, M--25
21- Pirlo, Andrea, M--29
8- Gattuso, Gennaro, M—29
23- Ambrosini, Massimo, M--30
10- Seedorf, Clarence, M--31
32- Brocchi, Christian, M—31
11- Gilardino, Alberto, S--25
7- Oliveira, Ricardo, S--27
99- Ronaldo, S – 31
9- Inzaghi, Filippo, S--34
1- Dida, Nelson, G --33
16- Kalac, Zeljko, G—32
26-Stori, Marco - 30
29- Fiori, Valerio, G--38
In defence we should buy some "youngster", I would go for Barzagli (26) , Zapata (21) or Terlizzi (28).
Imo we could also use another LB for Serie A, Pasquale or Felipe shouldn't cost that much.
Midfield is good, put Gourcuff on Clarence's position when he is not playing well and buy Maresca to help out Pirlo.
I think we should buy Amelia, Livorno is looking to get rid of him so I think we can get him for a fair price.He's a promising GK.
Amelia, Carrizo, Hildebrand, that Italian keeper at AEK Athens ... any one of them would be ideal to be our number 2 keeper. None of us know we can rely on Fiori because he's never been tested. Say Dida is injured again we'll have Kalac (who isn't very stable) and 'I want to retire' Fiori, doesn't exactly inspire confidence does it.[/QUOTE]
Hildebrand signed with Valncia for free. It was a great case which we didn't go for it.
In defence we should buy some "youngster", I would go for Barzagli (26) , Zapata (21) or Terlizzi (28).
Imo we could also use another LB for Serie A, Pasquale or Felipe shouldn't cost that much.
Midfield is good, put Gourcuff on Clarence's position when he is not playing well and buy Maresca to help out Pirlo.
I think we should buy Amelia, Livorno is looking to get rid of him so I think we can get him for a fair price.He's a promising GK.
In Golie we could have get Hildebrand to play with Dida and in 2 years to replace him. Now i agree we should get for Amelia because he is promising and low in price.
I think the perfect would be to buy a CB to be solid an a LB in Defense.
In midfield i would choose a player to change Pirlo, Maresca is a great one.
... And in attack i would have taken a big name like Sheva, Adriano, Drogba and another one promising striker while releasing RO and having Pippo just for a few games.... :5ok:
Come on Galliani and Berlu take players otherwise i will take tranfer to Milan, i am 26, i play as a GK, CB and midfield unfortunately i am injured and i will probably be fit at 15 of August. Come and get me :grinser:
Shevchenko already past it's prime, let's face the reality...
Do you bet on it? :5ok:
Santa Cruz’s Serie A plea
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jul3f.html
Unsettled Bayern Munich striker Roque Santa Cruz has called for Roma or Milan to bring him to Italy.
The 26-year-old forward is currently at the Copa America with Paraguay where he made his presence felt with a hat-trick against Colombia, but is already thinking ahead to next season.
“I am looking for a different club because I don’t want to stay at Bayern,” he revealed. “My contract doesn’t expire until next year, but I am allowed to rescind it.”
The arrivals of Azzurri marksman Luca Toni from Fiorentina and Miroslav Klose leave Santa Cruz unlikely to get a look in at the Allianz Arena, but he insists he isn’t short of other suitors.
“My Coach has told me that two English clubs are keen to sign me, but I would like to play in Italy,” he insisted.
“I really like Francesco Totti’s Roma – they are my ideal club. But if they are not interested, Milan would be good.”
"It would be a dream to play alongside Ronaldo. Get me a contract and a pen and I’ll sign right now.”
lol, im not sure about the whole fiasco.
He looks over 30, but has the skill that of a 22 year old.
Lol, have you guys seen Greg Oden, the first pick of NBA draft a few days ago :grinser: he's 19 but looks more like a 37 years old :uhm:
here's the link
http://espndeportes-akamai.espn.go.com/2003/photos2007/0627/g_oden_greg_vt.jpg
:grinser:
Hasan Rossonero
03-07-2007, 13:22
Galliani reiterates Kaka stance
Tuesday 3 July, 2007
Milan Vice-President Adriano Galliani has once again insisted that Real Madrid target Kaka will not leave the Rossoneri this summer.
The Brazilian is the main objective for the Spanish champions, who have repeatedly stated that they would try to secure the player’s capture despite the Rossoneri insisting otherwise.
“I have asked sporting director Predrag Mijatovic to drop this business about Kaka,” said Galliani. “I have an excellent relationship with him and I told him enough is enough – obviously in a polite way.
“Kaka will stay in Milan. He has a contract and I believe he is happy here. This situation is annoying, but it proves that we have the best player in the world.”
Galliani also dismissed the latest reports coming from Spanish newspaper AS, according to which Kaka himself asked President Silvio Berlusconi to consider the Merengues’ offer.
“It is like the photo they published,” he insisted. “They are cunning, but they also need to know that Berlusconi and I will never agree to let the player leave.
“I have already contacted Kaka’s father and agent – when he returns from his holidays we will discuss a contract extension.”
The former Lega Calcio chief also confirmed that striker Ricardo Oliveira is set to leave the Rossoneri after his disappointing season following last year’s move from Real Betis.
“Oliveira will probably leave Milan, we have received important offers from two or three Spanish outfits. A transfer might be finalised tomorrow,” concluded Galliani.
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I have a feeling that we may see Cassano at Milan tomorrow (it makes sense to send RO to Real in a swap deal). I hope I'm right, and no, I don't think that will be our only striker purchase.
Galliani talked to Mijatovic yesterday, and I think they must have talked about Cassano.
kastriot
03-07-2007, 13:46
Galliani reiterates Kaka stance
Tuesday 3 July, 2007
Milan Vice-President Adriano Galliani has once again insisted that Real Madrid target Kaka will not leave the Rossoneri this summer.
The Brazilian is the main objective for the Spanish champions, who have repeatedly stated that they would try to secure the player’s capture despite the Rossoneri insisting otherwise.
“I have asked sporting director Predrag Mijatovic to drop this business about Kaka,” said Galliani. “I have an excellent relationship with him and I told him enough is enough – obviously in a polite way.
“Kaka will stay in Milan. He has a contract and I believe he is happy here. This situation is annoying, but it proves that we have the best player in the world.”
Galliani also dismissed the latest reports coming from Spanish newspaper AS, according to which Kaka himself asked President Silvio Berlusconi to consider the Merengues’ offer.
“It is like the photo they published,” he insisted. “They are cunning, but they also need to know that Berlusconi and I will never agree to let the player leave.
“I have already contacted Kaka’s father and agent – when he returns from his holidays we will discuss a contract extension.”
The former Lega Calcio chief also confirmed that striker Ricardo Oliveira is set to leave the Rossoneri after his disappointing season following last year’s move from Real Betis.
“Oliveira will probably leave Milan, we have received important offers from two or three Spanish outfits. A transfer might be finalised tomorrow,” concluded Galliani.
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I have a feeling that we may see Cassano at Milan tomorrow (it makes sense to send RO to Real in a swap deal). I hope I'm right, and no, I don't think that will be our only striker purchase.
Galliani talked to Mijatovic yesterday, and I think they must have talked about Cassano.
AGRREE
If galiani si saying that OLi transfer may take place tomorrow, than the only club where he can go is Real...its obvious that Galiani only talked to Mijatovic. I would welcome Cassano with both hands only if he accepts wage cutting and if we get another Striker,
zlatanov
03-07-2007, 13:57
I am not sure Real is gonna be the team to go for Oli right now ... they have yet to chose a coach - most probably will be Schuster but it's not 100% sure - and, with his difficult season at Milan, right now he is not the type of player every coach would just love to have around.
IMO he is player Real's next coach would be more likely to consider a "back-up" solution in case no one better comes as opposed to a player you get at the beginning of the transfer period and thus cut off other alternatives ... and to make matters worse, RO is non-EU player of which Real M can have only 5 on their team.
real Zaragoza and Villareal are two other teams believed to have made offers for him.
I still think that Milan could get Cassano without paying any fees of having to give RO in return ... a RO-Cassano swap under these circumstance would not be a great deal at all for Milan from a finacial point of view, I think, given that Real are basically begging for someone to take him away ... why not make some extra cash by selling RO elsewhere.
Hasan Rossonero
03-07-2007, 13:59
I am not sure Real is gonna be the team to go for Oli right now ... they have yet to chose a coach - most probably will be Schuster but it's not 100% sure - and, with his difficult season at Milan, right now he is not the type of player every coach would just love to have around.
IMO he is player Real's next coach would be more likely to consider a "back-up" solution in case no one better comes as opposed to a player you get at the beginning of the transfer period and thus cut off other alternatives ... and to make matters worse, RO is non-EU player of which Real M can have only 5 on their team.
real Zaragoza and Villareal are two other teams believed to have made offers for him.
Yeah. If not Real, I think it will be Villarreal because they lost Forlan.
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jul3f.html
Maybe Roque Santa Cruz ?
I like this guy alot, but he seems to get injured many times. We can't afford to have another injury prone attacker since we already have Ronnie and Pippo
... and to make matters worse, RO is non-EU player of which Real M can have only 5 on their team.
not true. they can have three :zany: (south americans gain spanish citizenship in 2 years). If you really are Ronaldinho you would know that by now :grinser:
zlatanov
03-07-2007, 14:23
Spanish teams can have at most 3 non-eu player on the field at the same time but can regsiter 5 such players at the beginning of the season.
as for the Spanish citizenship, I believe it's 4, which is how long I had to wait to apply for mine :D ... unless one has Spanish ancestry.
Cassano should be the "world class" attacker. But getting him for free should force Galliani get other players.
Why get only a world class FW and noone else, like Galliani says, when you can get for free one very good, with possibility of becoming great, attacker like Cassano and buy Zambrotta and a WC midfielder for less money than Milan will splash on Eto'o ?
Edit : Actually, who am i and who are we to say what's best for Milan ? We have no idea how things stand in the real football world and how hard/easy is to get someone.
If Galliani and Ancelotti say one wc attacker is enough for this mercato, then i'm sure they are right and i'm wrong
:)
P.S : And Zlat really is Ronaldinho. He and i went for a drink yesterday
http://imgserv.ya.com/galerias2.ya.com/img/f/f130a01bc1321c2ci3.jpg
Damn Paparazzi, they caught us !
zlatanov
03-07-2007, 14:25
Edit : Actually, how am i and who are we to say what's best for Milan ? We have no idea how things stand in the real football world and how hard/easy is to get someone.
If Galliani and Ancelotti say one wc attacker is enough for this mercato, then i'm sure they are right and i'm wrong
:)
someone must give this guy a medal :grinser:
Please not Santa Cruz, he would be the new Ricardo Oliveira. Just bet on Alexandre Pato. Eto'o and Shevchenko will not come, Cassanno would also be a bet, so I prefer Pato.
Also a good move to show faith in Gourcuff. Milan have to let him play and develop, because that is the only way he will become good/great.
Hopefully we will get enough for RO, because the 15 million paid for him was really a waste if we let him go allready. I don't think Real will buy him, he had a very bad season and I don't see Real buying such a player.
Hasan Rossonero
03-07-2007, 14:29
The channel 4 article is a bit off. On the official acmilan site (for those who can read Italian), it says that "I have contacted Kaka's agent and his father, and when Kaka returns we will discuss a contract extension that WE HAVE AGREED UPON (not, as channel 4 says, we WILL AGREE UPON)."
Ho contattato il papà del giocatore, quando Kakà tornerà dalle vacanze c'incontreremo per il rinnovo del contratto sul quale abbiamo trovato l'accordo.
From acmilan.com.
Perhaps someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
You're right Hasan
Why are they offering him new contract, btw ?
zlatanov
03-07-2007, 14:32
The channel 4 article is a bit off. On the official acmilan site (for those who can read Italian), it says that "I have contacted Kaka's agent and his father, and when Kaka returns we will discuss a contract extension that WE HAVE AGREED UPON (not, as channel 4 says, we WILL AGREE UPON)."
Ho contattato il papà del giocatore, quando Kakà tornerà dalle vacanze c'incontreremo per il rinnovo del contratto sul quale abbiamo trovato l'accordo.
From acmilan.com.
Perhaps someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
no you are not ... provided that the offiaicl site has it right ... for once :D
it does say that they will meet for the contract extension they have agreed on (it seems they will meet to sign the contract as the discussions have already taken place)
:mad: Haven't bought anything as yet
I think I have spent more on my groceries this week than Milan have spent on players so far. :devil:
kastriot
03-07-2007, 14:33
maybe cuz they have decided to give him more money.... If they wanna keep him for longer period 6-8 mil is the salary they have to give to him!!!!
zlatanov
03-07-2007, 14:34
You're right Hasan
Why are they offering him new contract, btw ?
I think you know why ;)
this new one would run till 2012 and will improve his salary to 6.5-7 mil/season.
Cassano isn't world class right now and hasn't been for a while. He's 25 and currently going nowhere with his career given his potential.
If Galliani knew everything about what's best for Milan then we'd win every competition year in year out as he'd be assembling the 'ultimate' squad. Also, if we take this 'He knows more than i do therefore he's right and i'm wrong attitude', you might as well close the forum now as there'd be nothing to talk about or have an opinion on.
If we were going to spend £10 million on Suazo and buy Abidal for a similar price, i hope we still intend to use this money on the squad. Alves is still available, so i hope we fight for him and Zambrotta/Pasquale.
Hasan Rossonero
03-07-2007, 14:36
I think you know why ;)
this new one would run till 2012 and will improve his salary to 6.5-7 mil/season.
According to many publications it would be 7.5, and according to those same publications Kaka currently earns a bit over 6. (Gazzetta and tgcom).
zlatanov
03-07-2007, 14:37
Cassano isn't world class right now and hasn't been for a while. He's 25 and currently going nowhere with his career given his potential.
If Galliani knew everything about what's best for Milan then we'd win every competition year in year out as he'd be assembling the 'ultimate' squad. Also, if we take this 'He knows more than i do therefore he's right and i'm wrong attitude', you might as well close the forum now as there'd be nothing to talk about or have an opinion on.
If we were going to spend £10 million on Suazo and buy Abidal for a similar price, i hope we still intend to use this money on the squad. Alves is still available, so i hope we fight for him and Zambrotta/Pasquale.
that one would involve Galliani knowing everything about the Universe there's to know about, not just Milan
According to many publications it would be 7.5.
I haven't read about 7.5 mil ... the highest I have seen mentioned was 7.0, which is still a whole 1 mil more than Kaka's current deal, and highest in Italy too.
whatever it is, he will be worth it, that's for sure
Hasan Rossonero
03-07-2007, 14:41
that one would involve Galliani knowing everything about the Universe and in the Universe there's to know about, not just Milan
I haven't read about 7.5 mil ... the highest I have seen mentioned was 7.0, which is still a whole 1 mil more than Kaka's current deal, and highest in Italy too.
whatever it is, he will be worth it, that's for sure
Corriere said that, and, yes, I agree with you. This new extension would bring him in line with players like Ronaldinho (who earns 8).
King tiger
03-07-2007, 14:44
then whats the point whit Galliani whining about our "salary cap" , and not signing Henry coz of it, when we are going to offer Kaka 7,5 million a year
I think you know why
I do and i don't
Kaka signed the new contract, running until 2011, last summer. It was an improved contract and it kept Real away for a while.
Now Real offered much more.
Milan's response is new contract till 2012 and now Kaka will earn ~1.5m more.
There's no guarantee that Real won't offer much more next summer and you'll have the same problems again.
What will Galliani do ? Offer him new improved contracts every summer ?
If Galliani knew everything about what's best for Milan then we'd win every competition year in year out as he'd be assembling the 'ultimate' squad. Also, if we take this 'He knows more than i do therefore he's right and i'm wrong attitude', you might as well close the forum now as there'd be nothing to talk about or have an opinion on.
Absolutly. In a forum we can talk, speculate and attack the football players and officials.
We should continue doing this. But we shouldn't lie to ourselves that we know more than Galliani does what's best for Milan, and we certanly don't know how things stand out there. There's a difference between I WANT and I CAN and the forum members don't care about I CAN , we only know what we WANT !
Hasan Rossonero
03-07-2007, 14:46
then whats the point whit Galliani whining about our "salary cap" , and not signing Henry coz of it, when we are going to offer Kaka 7,5 million a year
Cause Kaka is Kaka. Galliani was speaking in general terms. There is no hard salary cap at Milan.
With all due respect, Henry is nearing 30, and to pay a player that much at that age would be mad. That's why Barca signed him for 6 million/year (this has been confirmed).
King tiger
03-07-2007, 14:48
With all due respect, Henry is nearing 30, and to pay a player that much at that age would be mad. That's why Barca signed him for 6 million/year (this has been confirmed).
yeah but Henry is a world class forward, and we couldnt offer him 6 million a year ?
Hasan Rossonero
03-07-2007, 14:56
yeah but Henry is a world class forward, and we couldnt offer him 6 million a year ?
That's Barca's prerogative, but to sign a 30-year-old on a 6mill/year deal is madness in my opinion. 5 at the most.
King tiger
03-07-2007, 14:59
That's Barca's prerogative, but to sign a 30-year-old on a 6mill/year deal is madness in my opinion. 5 at the most.
yeah like , either 5 million or we buy Santa Cruz :D
Hasan Rossonero
03-07-2007, 15:01
yeah like , either 5 million or we buy Santa Cruz :D
Well that's the other extreme. A 26-27 year old talent, who is Milan material, should be offered that money. Eto'o springs to mind.
By the way, Liverpool signed Fernando Torres. It's official
Zlat already knew about this but he though he should share it with his other friends first :D
zlatanov
03-07-2007, 15:11
I do and i don't
Kaka signed the new contract, running until 2011, last summer. It was an improved contract and it kept Real away for a while.
Now Real offered much more.
Milan's response is new contract till 2012 and now Kaka will earn ~1.5m more.
There's no guarantee that Real won't offer much more next summer and you'll have the same problems again.
What will Galliani do ? Offer him new improved contracts every summer ?
giving a player a new contract also has a symbolic or if you prefer psychological effect with it as it warns the competitions away from him and shows the clubs real intentions.
Plus, it's not like Real are gonna offer him 20 mil next year ... by offering him 1-1.5 mil over his current one, Milan decreases A LOT the difference between what Real's been temptinbg him with and what he is currenty getting and thus taking the tempation away - moving to a new club is always a risk and an even bigger one if you are eally happy at your current club, with the salary temptation out of the way, or at least nowhere near as big as before, even if Kaka had any thoughts about going to Real, that fire would be put off or at least put under control.
And by the time this new deal runs off, he would be 30 yo and Milan are tying the knot on him for one more year ... one more year when they would have a strong saying on what his future would be and Real by then will have most probably found someone else to bother anyway.
and congrats to Pool and Rafa :D
Blacktop
03-07-2007, 15:23
Storari left us
Where did you hear that? He's rumored to be headed to Cagliari but nothing's official yet. There's no mention of it on the official site.
Bosniaco
03-07-2007, 15:33
Where did you hear that? He's rumored to be headed to Cagliari but nothing's official yet. There's no mention of it on the official site.
I m not Jim but Storari is probably going to Betis, its not official yet.
Just an idea
Juan Sebastian Veron is a free agent. I know he's 32 but he still has what it takes to play in the best Italian teams.
He'll come very cheap and i think he'll accept the bench. He can become what Rui Costa was to Kaka.
And being an ex-Interista , chances are he can be very useful to Milan :)
But i read Inter is trying to get him again
The next post is #5000
Congrats you lonely internet freaks ! :D
Where did you hear that? He's rumored to be headed to Cagliari but nothing's official yet. There's no mention of it on the official site.
read the pages from last night (i think) and everyone was talking about how he's already gone. I'm merely passing on what lots of others have been talking about.
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