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Jim_UK
03-07-2007, 15:47
right, 5000th post ... what do i win? :D

Hasan Rossonero
03-07-2007, 15:51
right, 5000th post ... what do i win? :D

The "I was oblivious of the fact that I was on the cusp of making history with my 5000th post" award.

Tony29.
03-07-2007, 15:54
Where did you hear that? He's rumored to be headed to Cagliari but nothing's official yet. There's no mention of it on the official site.
You gotta love this girl.
All she's interested in are the incoming and outgoing goalkeepers :haha:
Don't worry BMW , Dida will be Milan #1 until he retires and no Amelia or similar overrated kids can replace him ! :)

Hasan Rossonero
03-07-2007, 15:56
BMW is a girl? This must be the best kept secret since Ibrahim Ba.

zlatanov
03-07-2007, 15:58
Just an idea
Juan Sebastian Veron is a free agent. I know he's 32 but he still has what it takes to play in the best Italian teams.
He'll come very cheap and i think he'll accept the bench. He can become what Rui Costa was to Kaka.
And being an ex-Interista , chances are he can be very useful to Milan :)

But i read Inter is trying to get him again

The next post is #5000
Congrats you lonely internet freaks ! :D
I also thought of that and can't say I won't enjoy seeing him score vs Inter :D ... but I am not sure if he would want to come here given his history at Inter, although, I don't think he was in that good of a relationship with Mancio and Inter as a whole for that to be a problem.

And also, I don't think he has a EU passport but I might be wrong about that.

GilAttack [11]
03-07-2007, 15:59
Its official: Chivu to Real Madrid for 18M Euros. So he is no longer in Italy plus he didnt sign with Inter. Good.

Jim_UK
03-07-2007, 15:59
The "I was oblivious of the fact that I was on the cusp of making history with my 5000th post" award.

How thoroughly disappointing ... i was at least hoping for some sort of certificate or a medal ... and a cake!

bmw's femininity has never been a secret :D

Warro Bantan
03-07-2007, 16:01
']Its official: Chivu to Real Madrid for 18M Euros. So he is no longer in Italy plus he didnt sign with Inter. Good. Very good indeed!! :5ok:

zlatanov
03-07-2007, 16:02
']Its official: Chivu to Real Madrid for 18M Euros. So he is no longer in Italy plus he didnt sign with Inter. Good.
I also don't mind that transfer ... and I don't see real prospering anytime soon with this inept management in charge so don't really think a transfer like that is a threat to Milan.

good move by Roma though, the player had one year left on his contract and they got for him more than hey could bargain for ... actually, they got back what they paid Ajax 4 years ago.

Jim_UK
03-07-2007, 16:03
']Its official: Chivu to Real Madrid for 18M Euros. So he is no longer in Italy plus he didnt sign with Inter. Good.

I personally don't think Chivu is all that great, however given that we need a new defender here and there, i'm surprised we didn't make some sort of official offer.

zlatanov
03-07-2007, 16:04
How thoroughly disappointing ... i was at least hoping for some sort of certificate or a medal ... and a cake!

the cake you will get right in your face courtesy of our Adriano when tomorrow he announces that Ba has signed with Milan and our transfer campaign is closed :grinser:

Warro Bantan
03-07-2007, 16:05
For some reason, Milan have never seemed overly interested in Chivu...I recall something a few years ago, but we got Nesta instead (I think).

Now, if Tony29= Dunga, and zlatanov=Ronaldinho, then what does that make me?

There can only be one answer: Messi

Well, at least thats what my Mom called me when I was growing up...:D

Jim_UK
03-07-2007, 16:10
the cake you will get right in your face courtesy of our Adriano when tomorrow he announces that Ba has signed with Milan and our transfer campaign is closed :grinser:


who the heck's 'our Adriano'?

I am far too sharp to get a cake in the face, plus that would be such a waste of cake anyway! Not only that, but if this Adriano character tried this, they'd end up looking stupid as i Jeet Wing Fu their ass!

Warro Bantan
03-07-2007, 16:13
Galliani methinks?

zlatanov
03-07-2007, 16:14
who the heck's 'our Adriano'?

I am far too sharp to get a cake in the face, plus that would be such a waste of cake anyway! Not only that, but if this Adriano character tried this, they'd end up looking stupid as i Jeet Wing Fu their ass!
adriano as in "Adriano Galliani" ... your Jeet Wing Fu may be strong but his is way stronger :D

Tony29.
03-07-2007, 16:16
Now, if Tony29= Dunga, and zlatanov=Ronaldinho, then what does that make me?

I don't know who you are but i know who Drucurl is.
And since i'm Dunga he'll never get to play for the Brazilian NT again while i'm the manager :D

GilAttack [11]
03-07-2007, 16:17
And now that Mijatovic finished that deal in Roma, is he planning to travel to Milan to speak about Kaka? :987:

zlatanov
03-07-2007, 16:17
I don't know who you are but i know who Drucurl is.
And since i'm Dunga he'll never get to play for the Brazilian NT again while i'm the manager :D
he's slimmed down now, maybe you should reconsider, coach (for now :D)

zlatanov
03-07-2007, 16:19
']And now that Mijatovic finished that deal in Roma, is he planning to travel to Milan to speak about Kaka? :987:
I am sure he had done that many times already, one more would hardly hurt us ... maybe he should just make his life easier and move in with Kaka's father instead :diablo:

Jim_UK
03-07-2007, 16:20
adriano as in "Adriano Galliani" ... your Jeet Wing Fu may be strong but his is way stronger :D

you threw me for a second with 'Adriano' ... as if we had signed that Brazilian lump from Inter or someone in here was passing themselves off as Adriano.

Anyway, i was the student but now i'm the master ... his powers are far too weak for my Jeet Wing Fu, especially when i pull out my special move ... the 5 fingered flying tiger palm punch!

zlatanov
03-07-2007, 16:26
you threw me for a second with 'Adriano' ... as if we had signed that Brazilian lump from Inter or someone in here was passing themselves off as Adriano.

Anyway, i was the student but now i'm the master ... his powers are far too weak for my Jeet Wing Fu, especially when i pull out my special move ... the 5 fingered flying tiger palm punch!
well, Adriano's "transfer guru flying kick special" will beat the crap out of each one of those 5 fingers ... and once he is finished with you, he will actually show you a finger of his own :grinser:

Jim_UK
03-07-2007, 16:33
his "old man baldy squatting crane" style of martial arts is no match for my Jeet Wing Fu ... poor Zlat, you have so much to learn grasshopper!

Warro Bantan
03-07-2007, 16:37
Jim, that special move sounds like u might need some tissue when u r done using it!! :uhm:

Jim_UK
03-07-2007, 16:39
Jim, that special move sounds like u might need some tissue when u r done using it!! :uhm:


that's another move entirely warro ... one reserved for the ladies :bri: :delol:

sheva-gila
03-07-2007, 17:02
its official aslo about torres to liverpool!!!!

Hasan Rossonero
03-07-2007, 17:04
Is Chivu to Real official? The two clubs have reached an agreement, but the player is yet to.

Jim_UK
03-07-2007, 17:05
I'd rather we swapped Oliveira for Robinho and then bought Huntelaar :D

GilAttack [11]
03-07-2007, 17:11
Is Chivu to Real official? The two clubs have reached an agreement, but the player is yet to.

Mmm...you are technically right, but you are talking Real Madrid and Chivu. Chivu wants to join Real Madrid, and Real Madrid wont lowball him after paying 18M to Roma. So yes, IMO its official.

ThrusT
03-07-2007, 17:20
']Mmm...you are technically right, but you are talking Real Madrid and Chivu. Chivu wants to join Real Madrid, and Real Madrid wont lowball him after paying 18M to Roma. So yes, IMO its official.
Latest I've heard is that Roma accepted Real's offer, so Chivu will probably join them.
I'm glad he didn't went to Barca.
Just imagine :
Zambrotta-Puyol-Chivu-Abidal
:987:

Jim_UK
03-07-2007, 17:23
Just imagine:

Zambrotta-Gallas/Toure-Nesta-Alves!

Only we have some way to go to getting that back 4 :guw:

ThrusT
03-07-2007, 17:28
Just imagine:

Zambrotta-Gallas/Toure-Nesta-Alves!

Only we have some way to go to getting that back 4 :guw:
That's just a minor detail. :grinser:

Jim_UK
03-07-2007, 17:30
That's just a minor detail. :grinser:


a small technicality :sagrin:

mrki
03-07-2007, 17:57
If Tony is Dunga, Zlatanov - Ronaldinho, Warro - Messi, Drucurl - roonie, then I must be Carlo! Its obvious! :grinser:

Tony29.
03-07-2007, 18:00
If Tony is Dunga, Zlatanov - Ronaldinho, Warro - Messi, Drucurl - roonie, then I must be Carlo! Its obvious! :grinser:
Not with that avatar...... mr. Moggi !

Warro Bantan
03-07-2007, 18:00
Ok Carlo=mrki, could you please let Berlu kno that I am still interested in joining Milan, and that Galliani can break the news to the rest of the Milan fans?

After all, I am whom they refer to as "the player" that would cause all sorts of controversy if I was officially linked to the club...well I am tired of Barca...the food is crap, and I am dying to be on the same team as Kaka, one of my idols.

Thanks coach!



:D

mrki
03-07-2007, 18:01
Moggi is also good, I accept :)

As for Warro-Messi, no problem, in 12 years, when you are 32, we'll get you and you'll be in Milenello starting your recovery from injury and doing training for new season! Transfer will be free of coure... just hang in there for 12 more years :grinser:

Warro Bantan
03-07-2007, 18:01
Not with that avatar...... mr. Moggi ! :haha: good one Tony29!!!! Oh, and if he is Moggi, same difference...I want Milan!!

GilAttack [11]
03-07-2007, 18:03
Latest I've heard is that Roma accepted Real's offer, so Chivu will probably join them.
I'm glad he didn't went to Barca.
Just imagine :
Zambrotta-Puyol-Chivu-Abidal
:987:

Expect them to go after Gabriel Milito...if Juve doesnt capture his transfer before.
Puyol is expected out for 3 months.

Warro Bantan
03-07-2007, 18:06
Thanks Mr Moggi=mrki! I will wait, my Mom always told me, good things come unto those who wait! :D

drucurl
03-07-2007, 18:30
I don't know who you are but i know who Drucurl is.
And since i'm Dunga he'll never get to play for the Brazilian NT again while i'm the manager :D :haha: great stuff!!

No Ronaldo in Team = Team directed by an evil Juventino :rotfl:






but please give me a chance :( I'm sure to do better than Wagner Love and whatever crap you have in your front line :D

drucurl
03-07-2007, 18:51
Hey Warro, I have an inequality for you:


Ronaldo (Barca) >Messi (Barca) (1)

but Drucurl = Ronaldo (2)
and Warro =Messi (3)

Substituting for Both sides using eq'ns 2,3 and dividing both sides by Barca :

Drucurl > Warro (4)

Further since drucurl = Trini (5)
and Warro= Jamaican (6)

This implies that


Trini > Jamaican (7)

Inequality (7) becomes greater when inverted :zany: ...ie the female version of the inequality:
Trini women >> Jamaican women :5ok: (universal truth)


P.S. Never recycle a primary school joke and use it on a trini....we too badmind :p017:
Of course I'm just kidding mi brethren...meh nah fi serious :D

Warro Bantan
03-07-2007, 18:55
Cant take you seriously dru, even on a bad day. And by the way, at the risk of being pedantic, you are replying in the wrong thread...:rollani:...

:D

PS Your math is completely wrong, since Barca=0

mu-ha,muh hahahahahahaha!

Warro Bantan
03-07-2007, 19:01
OMG....what a slow news day....the only good news is that this summer has to be better than last summer...

Stitch
03-07-2007, 19:13
Moggi is also good, I accept :)

As for Warro-Messi, no problem, in 12 years, when you are 32, we'll get you and you'll be in Milenello starting your recovery from injury and doing training for new season! Transfer will be free of coure... just hang in there for 12 more years :grinser:


:rotfl: :rotfl: brilliant stuff mrki, +rep :grinser:

OK, since everybody's masks are down, I want you all to know that I am Dida, and that certain female MM member is in love with me :diablo:

kastriot
03-07-2007, 19:41
more than 5 pages in less than 6 hours!!! If only Milan management would be this active!!! :grinser:

Blacktop
03-07-2007, 20:50
You gotta love this girl.
All she's interested in are the incoming and outgoing goalkeepers :haha:
Not really; I save most of my transfer for R&B. :)

BMW is a girl? This must be the best kept secret since Ibrahim Ba.
Nice.

SkyEdge
03-07-2007, 21:36
yeah but Henry is a world class forward, and we couldnt offer him 6 million a year ?

Hhmm.. to think Darren Bent cost Totenham 400k more than what Henry
cost FC Barcelona..
IMHO, Henry is just a player to get to cream smaller team in EPL. From
what I've seen of him ( The Hype he generates ) and how he/Arsenal
performed in UCL compared to EPL.. Its a world of Difference.. For all
that its worth, He's never even equal Crouch's 7goal this season in UCL
and Crouch have been a SUB for most if not all of Liverpools Games..

Oh yeah.. before i forget, He was a flop Juventino to begin with and he
couldn't adapt to staying in Italy the first time round.. Doubt if he could now

milanista mosta
03-07-2007, 21:57
Can somebody trenslate this,please,please,please,pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrbZ1UqjjkQ

SANT
03-07-2007, 23:18
Kaka's says that Maldini and Costacurta are the example to follow... that he's happy at Milan (he says Milan, not Milano, so he speaks about the club, not the city) regardless what the media may say about interest by Madrid or Chelsea...and wishes to become the teams symbol, the captain... little by little with hard work...

Hasan Rossonero
03-07-2007, 23:29
Today's Gazzetta newspaper says that Kaka earns 5.5 million at Milan, which is more than Ronaldo (who earns 5 million). Inzaghi earns close to 5 million while Nesta earns 4 million.

This has been the progression of Kaka's salary over the last 4 years:

1) 2003 1.7 million euros
2) 2004 2.5 million euros
3) 2005 3.5 million euros
4) 2006 5.5 million euros

I think his next increase will be substantial, and it will take him close to the 7 million mark.

Nordahl
04-07-2007, 00:27
Secondo indiscrezioni raccolte da Firenzeviola.it, la Fiorentina sarebbe vicina a Wesley Sneijder dell'Ajax. Il giocatore, esterno di fascia di grande qualità, ha espressamente chiesto ai lancieri di essere ceduto. La società gigliata è sulle sue tracce da tempo e pare che a breve possa esserci la sterzata decisiva per portarlo in riva all'Arno. L'Ajax chiede una cifra intorno ai 12 Milioni per Sneijder, il cui contratto scade tra due stagioni. Qualche tempo fa sembrava che la firma con il Valencia fosse imminente, ma la Fiorentina pare passata in vantaggio in queste ultime ore.

I cannot believe that... to lose Torres to Liverpool is acceptable, cause the Reds are one of the top european sides... but to let an excelent midfielder like Sneijder joins Fiorentina is simply P-A-T-H-E-T-I-C... :(

GilAttack [11]
04-07-2007, 02:19
So for those conspiracy lovers out there: why would Barcelona extend an offer to Frank Lampard, now that they face some ego problems with Henry on board?

kastriot
04-07-2007, 04:08
']So for those conspiracy lovers out there: why would Barcelona extend an offer to Frank Lampard, now that they face some ego problems with Henry on board?

Here is the answer to you`re question!!!

http://goal.com/en/articolo.aspx?contenutoid=341357

Samuca
04-07-2007, 05:23
Hhmm.. to think Darren Bent cost Totenham 400k more than what Henry
cost FC Barcelona..
IMHO, Henry is just a player to get to cream smaller team in EPL. From
what I've seen of him ( The Hype he generates ) and how he/Arsenal
performed in UCL compared to EPL.. Its a world of Difference.. For all
that its worth, He's never even equal Crouch's 7goal this season in UCL
and Crouch have been a SUB for most if not all of Liverpools Games..

Oh yeah.. before i forget, He was a flop Juventino to begin with and he
couldn't adapt to staying in Italy the first time round.. Doubt if he could now

I tottaly agree with you but I think I am the only one

Jim_UK
04-07-2007, 06:42
Oh yeah.. before i forget, He was a flop Juventino to begin with and he
couldn't adapt to staying in Italy the first time round.. Doubt if he could now

Not to pick on you SkyEdge, but i find this particular train of thought completely ludicrous. That's like saying because you were rubbish at something 7 years ago, you can't be any better at it now! He was hardly there long enough for anyone to judge if he would have been a success or not. Ancelotti himself has stated numerous times that he made a mistake selling him, playing him in the wrong position and that he didn't see his full potential as a striker.

So i just find the whole "he couldn't adapt before so he won't adapt now" philosophy absolute nonsense.

Sneijder has joined Fiorentina for 12 million? That's a good deal for them purple peeps.

Hasan Rossonero
04-07-2007, 06:46
In today's Gazzetta newspaper (not the site), Sacchi recommends Udinese's Quaglierella to Milan.

King tiger
04-07-2007, 06:51
well, IMO Henry is one of the best players on earth, pity that we didnt sign him but its a done deal anyways.

Jim_UK
04-07-2007, 06:58
What little i've seen of Quaglierella has impressed me, so he'd be a good purchase. I think all i really want from our signings are players that are hungry and desperate to win with us. No more unmotivated players just going through the motions happy just to collect their paycheck at the end of the week.

kastriot
04-07-2007, 07:13
What little i've seen of Quaglierella has impressed me, so he'd be a good purchase. I think all i really want from our signings are players that are hungry and desperate to win with us. No more unmotivated players just going through the motions happy just to collect their paycheck at the end of the week.

Couldn`t agree more ... Our current players are hard to motivate, they`ve basically won everything there is to win... Couple of highly motivated players can boost the moral of the others.!!!! smth like Gatusso does for the others!!! :5ok:

Giorgos
04-07-2007, 07:36
Transfers, transfers but no transfers....

Graeme C
04-07-2007, 08:05
In today's Gazzetta newspaper (not the site), Sacchi recommends Udinese's Quaglierella to Milan.

i suppose Quaglierella arrival would depend if Milan got Sheva or not. He has said publicly that he didnt think he would move, and im not sure Udinese would let him go either.

kastriot
04-07-2007, 08:09
i suppose Quaglierella arrival would depend if Milan got Sheva or not. He has said publicly that he didnt think he would move, and im not sure Udinese would let him go either.

UDINESE wil let him go for sure...they paid a big amount of money cuz they knew the can get even more from bigger clubs...If they keep him for one more season they risk to lose the investment,if he under performs, like this Quagli, is forth smth btw 15 - 20 mil ,Udinese paid 8 mil euros I think!!

Jeff
04-07-2007, 09:01
I agree that our players are hard to motivate, but that doesn't mean that you have to get motivated (but untalented) players on board. the question is how you motivate your difficult-to-motivate player. And Ancelotti, despite much criticism about him being mild etc, did the job.

Motivation is not as easy as people think: it's more than the paycheck that they are getting. Paying them a lot of money doesn't guarantee you succeed, but group cohesion and harmony does. Milan is a family, not just a team. They take care of the people, for she believes that taking of its people, which is her greatest asset, will bring results.

And it did, again and again and again.

milanista mosta
04-07-2007, 09:12
Kaka's says that Maldini and Costacurta are the example to follow... that he's happy at Milan (he says Milan, not Milano, so he speaks about the club, not the city) regardless what the media may say about interest by Madrid or Chelsea...and wishes to become the teams symbol, the captain... little by little with hard work...
Thanks man :D

Ghost
04-07-2007, 10:05
Hhmm.. to think Darren Bent cost Totenham 400k more than what Henry
cost FC Barcelona..
IMHO, Henry is just a player to get to cream smaller team in EPL. From
what I've seen of him ( The Hype he generates ) and how he/Arsenal
performed in UCL compared to EPL.. Its a world of Difference.. For all
that its worth, He's never even equal Crouch's 7goal this season in UCL
and Crouch have been a SUB for most if not all of Liverpools Games..

Oh yeah.. before i forget, He was a flop Juventino to begin with and he
couldn't adapt to staying in Italy the first time round.. Doubt if he could now

Considering Henry had been injured for most of the season, the season before he took them to the final and when the team plays bad you cant blame Henry for this. If you compare the amounf of minutes Henry played with how many crouch played im sure you would understand.

To state he was a flop at Juve is the biggest rubbish I have ever heard, even Ancelotti mentioned it was his careers biggest mistake (more than the final of 2005 against Liverpool) that he never discovered Henry could be played as a striker.

Tony29.
04-07-2007, 10:22
Inter’s enigmatic Brazilian hitman Adriano has intensified speculation about his future by admitting he would like to play for rivals Milan.
Recently, Milan President Silvio Berlusconi surprisingly stated his desire to see L’Imperatore as a Rossonero and now it appears that the troubled marksman may feel the same way.

“It’s difficult to leave a club like this. I want to have a good season with Inter and satisfy the fans,” he told Brazilian website Globoesporte.

“However, I would like to play for Milan or Real Madrid, but that’s nothing concrete.”

Adriano had a tough 2006-07 campaign and recieved more Press attention for his indiscretions off the pitch than his performances.

Given his personal differences with Coach Roberto Mancini and the arrival of Honduran striker David Suazo, many felt the 25-year-old may take the chance to move on to pastures new.
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jul4h.html

Ok, by reading the english version one could think that Adriano says he dreams to play for Milan and it's not exactly right because in Italian version it is said that he wants to stay in Inter and he feels great there but he wouldn't mind playing for clubs like Milan or Real.

This is the Italian version :
Voglio fare una buona stagione con l'Inter e dare soddisfazioni ai tifosi. E' difficile che lasci il mio club. Chiaro che mi piacerebbe difendere i colori di club come il Milan o il Real Madrid ma non c'è nulla di concreto. Sto bene dove sono".

I want to have a good season with Inter and to satisfy the fans. It's not very possible that i will leave my club (Inter). Of course i'd like to play for teams like Milan or Real but there's nothing concrete so far. I'm good where i am right now !
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=23&a=47671

GilAttack [11]
04-07-2007, 12:01
Here is the answer to you`re question!!!

http://goal.com/en/articolo.aspx?contenutoid=341357

I dont agree at all. If Lampard signs, someone is leaving.

GilAttack [11]
04-07-2007, 12:02
Inter’s enigmatic Brazilian hitman Adriano has intensified speculation about his future by admitting he would like to play for rivals Milan.
Recently, Milan President Silvio Berlusconi surprisingly stated his desire to see L’Imperatore as a Rossonero and now it appears that the troubled marksman may feel the same way.

“It’s difficult to leave a club like this. I want to have a good season with Inter and satisfy the fans,” he told Brazilian website Globoesporte.

“However, I would like to play for Milan or Real Madrid, but that’s nothing concrete.”

Adriano had a tough 2006-07 campaign and recieved more Press attention for his indiscretions off the pitch than his performances.

Given his personal differences with Coach Roberto Mancini and the arrival of Honduran striker David Suazo, many felt the 25-year-old may take the chance to move on to pastures new.
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jul4h.html

Ok, by reading the english version one could think that Adriano says he dreams to play for Milan and it's not exactly right because in Italian version it is said that he wants to stay in Inter and he feels great there but he wouldn't mind playing for clubs like Milan or Real.

This is the Italian version :
Voglio fare una buona stagione con l'Inter e dare soddisfazioni ai tifosi. E' difficile che lasci il mio club. Chiaro che mi piacerebbe difendere i colori di club come il Milan o il Real Madrid ma non c'è nulla di concreto. Sto bene dove sono".

I want to have a good season with Inter and to satisfy the fans. It's not very possible that i will leave my club (Inter). Of course i'd like to play for teams like Milan or Real but there's nothing concrete so far. I'm good where i am right now !
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=23&a=47671

And if Veron re-joins Inter, that would seal it for Adriano. Problem is that I cant see Moratti giving Milan the green light to get him.

rosoneri_11
04-07-2007, 12:23
From: http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jul4j.html

Inter leave Chivu race
Wednesday 4 July, 2007

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Inter have officially withdrawn their interest in signing Roma defender Cristian Chivu, leaving the Giallorossi to negotiate with Real Madrid.

The Nerazzurri had been chasing the Romanian star for a fortnight, but having seen an offer of around £13m plus Victor Obinna on loan refused they have decided to give up.

The Beneamata informed Roma of their decision by way of a fax, according to Inter’s official website.

“Internazionale would like to inform you that a fax was sent to AS Roma to confirm that the club no longer wishes to pursue its interest in Cristian Chivu,” the statement read.

President Massimo Moratti has already stated that he would not be drawn any further into a bidding war for the gifted stopper, but Wednesday’s announcement makes the position official.

Negotiations between Roma and Real Madrid are said to be close to completion with the figure of £13m plus £5m in additional payments per season being suggested by various sources.

It is believed that Inter may now set their sights on Palermo’s Andrea Barzagli, who is also a target for Genoa, and that the champions may be willing to part with £7m and £2m for the next four years.
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So they leave Chivu and now they are going for Barzagli.

Giorgos
04-07-2007, 12:25
']And if Veron re-joins Inter, that would seal it for Adriano. Problem is that I cant see Moratti giving Milan the green light to get him.

Mee too but i wish too. :5ok:

mrki
04-07-2007, 12:29
Im starting to get sick of this rumors and I dont really care as long as Kaka' stays with us. And dont think that Kaka' plays for Milan becouse he loves this shirt, he renews his contract every year by keeping his mouth shut when Madrid are pressing for him, then Galliani gets into panic as he actually needs to do something and he raises Kaka' salary. His new salary, if he renews, will be 7 mil, which is over our famous budget. What are the next excuses? In 2 more years, when Berlusconi refuses to pay Kaka' 9 or10 mln he'll be sold.

I understand we are European champions, and we do have a great squad, and we can maybe go for CL again with this squad, but lets not be offensive towards your fans Mr.Galliani. Football fans in Italy and all real football fans understand how things go, and they know that our mercato campaigns in last 2 years are circus, nothing more! Earning tons of money from TVrights, winning CL, t-shirts and season tickets and then complaining for taxes. Taxes are the same for Juve, Inter and Milan. Our owner is Slivio Berlusconi, he ownes half of northen Italy, do I need to explain more? We needed 3 or 4 changes last year, and we still could use 3 or 4 changes this year. What do they plan do to in 2 years, change 10 players? I dont think they are capable on doing that in the right way. When Galliani was in the corner, he spit out 17 mil for a half injured Oliveira, but now he cant pay wages to Henry ? come on...its ridiculous. Milan cant pay 18 mil for Chivu to solve defensive problems? hahaha...

And this talk about Gourcuff is also pathetic. We all know Ambro will get injured as always, and Carlo will not play Gourcuff in big matches against Inter, Juve, Roma. Yoann isnt ready for that stuff now. Have you seen Nasri playing for France first tema? The man is flying on the field. Yes, we do need another good midfielder, and Carlo said to Galliani he wants De Rossi, or Emerson. But no...we have Brocchi( aldough - respect to Brocchi, he is a fighter ).

I dont mind smart shopping, and I dont request mega stars like Barca is doing right now, but I demand respect from our managment towards Milan faithfull fans. This kind of behaviour is tipical politics, pure lying. We'll end up with Cassano and Kaka's brother ( who is a poor player just to let you know...)

Stitch
04-07-2007, 12:45
where's dunga? :D

http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=343438

this is why milan is unique!

atreides602
04-07-2007, 12:48
Im starting to get sick of this rumors and I dont really care as long as Kaka' stays with us. And dont think that Kaka' plays for Milan becouse he loves this shirt, he renews his contract every year by keeping his mouth shut when Madrid are pressing for him, then Galliani gets into panic as he actually needs to do something and he raises Kaka' salary. His new salary, if he renews, will be 7 mil, which is over our famous budget. What are the next excuses? In 2 more years, when Berlusconi refuses to pay Kaka' 9 or10 mln he'll be sold.

I understand we are European champions, and we do have a great squad, and we can maybe go for CL again with this squad, but lets not be offensive towards your fans Mr.Galliani. Football fans in Italy and all real football fans understand how things go, and they know that our mercato campaigns in last 2 years are circus, nothing more! Earning tons of money from TVrights, winning CL, t-shirts and season tickets and then complaining for taxes. Taxes are the same for Juve, Inter and Milan. Our owner is Slivio Berlusconi, he ownes half of northen Italy, do I need to explain more? We needed 3 or 4 changes last year, and we still could use 3 or 4 changes this year. What do they plan do to in 2 years, change 10 players? I dont think they are capable on doing that in the right way. When Galliani was in the corner, he spit out 17 mil for a half injured Oliveira, but now he cant pay wages to Henry ? come on...its ridiculous. Milan cant pay 18 mil for Chivu to solve defensive problems? hahaha...

And this talk about Gourcuff is also pathetic. We all know Ambro will get injured as always, and Carlo will not play Gourcuff in big matches against Inter, Juve, Roma. Yoann isnt ready for that stuff now. Have you seen Nasri playing for France first tema? The man is flying on the field. Yes, we do need another good midfielder, and Carlo said to Galliani he wants De Rossi, or Emerson. But no...we have Brocchi( aldough - respect to Brocchi, he is a fighter ).

I dont mind smart shopping, and I dont request mega stars like Barca is doing right now, but I demand respect from our managment towards Milan faithfull fans. This kind of behaviour is tipical politics, pure lying. We'll end up with Cassano and Kaka's brother ( who is a poor player just to let you know...)
I think Galliani is acting like this bcause the team's results are spokin' for themselvs, if we [god forbid] didn't win the final in athens, all those barca's shopings would have been ours by now [and chivu on top] but.... ; i agree with you , it doesn't have to be a "midnight maddness sells" for us, as most of the posters here mention that one new player for each line will suficce , but i still have patience and hope for the best for us.

rosoneri_11
04-07-2007, 12:53
Im starting to get sick of this rumors and I dont really care as long as Kaka' stays with us. And dont think that Kaka' plays for Milan becouse he loves this shirt, he renews his contract every year by keeping his mouth shut when Madrid are pressing for him, then Galliani gets into panic as he actually needs to do something and he raises Kaka' salary. His new salary, if he renews, will be 7 mil, which is over our famous budget. What are the next excuses? In 2 more years, when Berlusconi refuses to pay Kaka' 9 or10 mln he'll be sold.

I understand we are European champions, and we do have a great squad, and we can maybe go for CL again with this squad, but lets not be offensive towards your fans Mr.Galliani. Football fans in Italy and all real football fans understand how things go, and they know that our mercato campaigns in last 2 years are circus, nothing more! Earning tons of money from TVrights, winning CL, t-shirts and season tickets and then complaining for taxes. Taxes are the same for Juve, Inter and Milan. Our owner is Slivio Berlusconi, he ownes half of northen Italy, do I need to explain more? We needed 3 or 4 changes last year, and we still could use 3 or 4 changes this year. What do they plan do to in 2 years, change 10 players? I dont think they are capable on doing that in the right way. When Galliani was in the corner, he spit out 17 mil for a half injured Oliveira, but now he cant pay wages to Henry ? come on...its ridiculous. Milan cant pay 18 mil for Chivu to solve defensive problems? hahaha...

And this talk about Gourcuff is also pathetic. We all know Ambro will get injured as always, and Carlo will not play Gourcuff in big matches against Inter, Juve, Roma. Yoann isnt ready for that stuff now. Have you seen Nasri playing for France first tema? The man is flying on the field. Yes, we do need another good midfielder, and Carlo said to Galliani he wants De Rossi, or Emerson. But no...we have Brocchi( aldough - respect to Brocchi, he is a fighter ).

I dont mind smart shopping, and I dont request mega stars like Barca is doing right now, but I demand respect from our managment towards Milan faithfull fans. This kind of behaviour is tipical politics, pure lying. We'll end up with Cassano and Kaka's brother ( who is a poor player just to let you know...)


Great post Mrki, i feel the same with you mate. I agree with you 100%, i have the same questions and feelings with you!
Also i had to say that Ancelotti has said in past that he likes a lot Ribery and Alex.But both of them had signed for another club.Why we did'nt tried for them?
As for Nasri, the boy is just great.I like him very much,he is a fantastic palyer.Remember me he will be a world class midfielder.
And something last.Galiani said that Henry has big wages contract.If we can't sign henry for that reason then how we can sign Ronaldinho hoes contract wages is for sure bigger than Henrys? Lies,lies,lies.

Hasan Rossonero
04-07-2007, 13:01
Mrki...that's how football is now. Players get courted, and their clubs renew their contract. See C. Ronaldo, Gerrard etc.

As for the rest...you have to understand that what Galliani says and does are two different things. All this whining about taxes is a political ploy. Which govt is in power? Not Berlusconi's, so Galliani will make the right noises.

Tony29.
04-07-2007, 13:12
where's dunga? :D

http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=343438

this is why milan is unique!
Respect to Juve :5ok:
We are Borg, resistance is futile ! :)
Working like a machine is what made world class out of Zambrotta and few more talentless players. They should be thankful !

"The only thing that matters is the training and the match" ..... there is your answer why was Juve so succesful. You were looking after the refs or the dopings to explain Juve's success but whoever played in Juve (even the great Zidane said it) knows that work work and only work brought the results !
Juve was buying cheaper and less talented players than Inter, but while Inter players were partying, Juve players were training. That's why Inter never won anything while Juve was winning a trophy per year !


Tudor can now moan as much as he wants. He spent 8 years in Juve, played only 3 and got a pay check for the other 5. I don't remember him saying anything while he was getting payed for doing nothing. He's just bitter he got dumped.

Graeme C
04-07-2007, 13:13
tuttomercatoweb report something about Belusconi liking Riquelme, as cover aswell for pirlo.. but it is tuttomercatoweb

zlatanov
04-07-2007, 13:19
tuttomercatoweb report something about Belusconi liking Riquelme, as cover aswell for pirlo.. but it is tuttomercatoweb
they took that from tgcom/mediaset:
http://www.tgcom.mediaset.it/controcampo/articoli/articolo369157.shtml

and tgcom probably took it from somewhere else :D

Tony29.
04-07-2007, 13:24
He's a non-EU player and this rumour says he can join only in case Sheva stays in Chelsea.
What's the situation with Eto'o , Zlat ? He has EU passport or no ?

zlatanov
04-07-2007, 13:28
He's a non-EU player and this rumour says he can join only in case Sheva stays in Chelsea.
What's the situation with Eto'o , Zlat ? He has EU passport or no ?
no, Etoo is a non-EU player although he's spent the past 10 years in SPain.
Not sure if Dinho got his Spanish passport already, I believe he was applying for one, but think that right now he is a non-EU player too, although that might soon change.
Same with Drogba and Fred.

Tony29.
04-07-2007, 13:32
Yeah, like i thought.....only one of them will arive.
Riquelme is an option only if all other negotiations fail and if Milan won't get one of Sheva, Eto'o, Drogba or Fred.

Edit : Zlat, i know it's too much to ask, so take your time..... Can you find out if Almiron has an EU passport ? :)

Thanx

Tony29.
04-07-2007, 13:36
Forget it Zlat !
Juve signed him from Empoli so it doesn't matter.

Thanx anyway

Graeme C
04-07-2007, 13:37
they took that from tgcom/mediaset:
http://www.tgcom.mediaset.it/controcampo/articoli/articolo369157.shtml

and tgcom probably took it from somewhere else :D

anyone want to bet that elsewhere is here lol :grinser:

zlatanov
04-07-2007, 13:43
Forget it Zlat !
Juve signed him from Empoli so it doesn't matter.

Thanx anyway
no problem, I haven't done anything anyway :D

according to this, he doesn't have a EU pass:
http://footballdatabase.com/index.php?page=player&Id=8079&pn=Sergio_Bernardo_Almir%C3%B3n

the site above is not always correct but I think most of the time they have the right info on EU passes and such, so you could always search for a player if you are interested.

Tony29.
04-07-2007, 13:46
no problem, I haven't done anything anyway :D

according to this, he doesn't have a EU pass:
http://footballdatabase.com/index.php?page=player&Id=8079&pn=Sergio_Bernardo_Almir%C3%B3n

the site above is not always correct but I think most of the time they have the right info on EU passes and such, so you could always search for a player if you are interested.
Thank you !

I found this site on wikipedia, i opened it and i missed the info about the EU passport.
Yeah, i'm an old bag :dielaugh:

Leo
04-07-2007, 13:47
I'm glad we are linked to Adriano. We have been talking about getting a striker for a while now and I think landing Adriano would allow us to concentrate on completing other departments. Adriano has good links with Milan and has stated that he would enjoy playing for Milan. Adriano's form has been shaken lately but I believe that he would be in better form playing for us. Adriano has already established himself in Serie A in the past. I remember he even stated that he would opt to go for Milan before moving to Inter, but Inter had the advantage in the transfer since they had 50% of his value at that time. Berlu has stated he is fond of Adriano, and Sheva's return could be too expensive (overpriced).

Tony29.
04-07-2007, 13:50
I also think Adriano will do great in Milan. I believe he will have absolutly no trouble changing the sides. He doesn't strike me as someone who cares about the rivalry between Milan and Inter.
But if i'm not wrong Moratti's reaction on this rumour was smthg like " Adriano to Milan ? Don't make me laugh, please "

zlatanov
04-07-2007, 13:54
anyone want to bet that elsewhere is here lol :grinser:
no need to bet as I know it for sure :D

anyways, I wouldn't mind getting Riquelme alng with a free Cassano (worth the gamble I guess) and a less flashy name to replace RO - Diego Milito, the latest name linked with us, who would be a great choice for Pippo's heir I think, or Quagliarella.

I think if we are gonna be getting Cassano, the guy would need at least 3 montsh into the season (apart from summer camp) to get his act together as far as fitness is concerned and probably twice that time for Milan and Carlo to fix all the short circuits in that head of his ... so, we'd need a 5th striker anyway and if we can get away with a good player for a fraction of what Etoo or Dinho would cost, why not.

As for Roman, I think he can work it out in Milan ... true he has failed in other clubs but then again one should never underestimate the "Milan family environment" factor ... who knows, it might help us get the best out of him.

zlatanov
04-07-2007, 13:58
I also think Adriano will do great in Milan. I believe he will have absolutly no trouble changing the sides. He doesn't strike me as someone who cares about the rivalry between Milan and Inter.
But if i'm not wrong Moratti's reaction on this rumour was smthg like " Adriano to Milan ? Don't make me laugh, please "
are you sure he wasn't looking in the mirror when he said that? :D

GilAttack [11]
04-07-2007, 14:08
As for Roman, I think he can work it out in Milan ... true he has failed in other clubs but then again one should never underestimate the "Milan family environment" factor ... who knows, it might help us get the best out of him.

I think Riquelme only failed in Barcelona, but he had no chance with Van Gaal being the coach there. He wanted to use Riquelme on the right side and that isnt Roman's place.
Then he took Villareal to UCL semifinals and won everything with Boca Juniors.

I think Riquelme doesnt have the right personality for Milan, his place in the world is Boca. He success when he is in the right environment, where he can get away with some stuff and where he can set his own rules. And thats why he would have a hard time to reach his potential in Milan.
Nice football player, weird personality, not a good fit for us.

K77SH C
04-07-2007, 14:17
Im not too keen on us signing Riquelme, because it would mean less playing time for Gourcuff. Besides, Im hoping for a big contribution from him this season.

Kaku
04-07-2007, 14:20
I read on a brazilian site that Pato has signed a 5-year contract with Chelsea and he'll join them in January 2008 for $20m, however none of the clubs have confirmed the transfer...

Link (In Portuguese): http://esporte.uol.com.br/futebol/ultimas/2007/07/04/ult59u124889.jhtm

mrki
04-07-2007, 14:31
I wouldnt be surprised at all. We waited too long for him,and Braida has been scouting in South America for a year now, result - noone.

Mavuba went to Villareal for 7 mln... :sweeteye:

GilAttack [11]
04-07-2007, 14:38
Well, the initial report when Pato signed his contract towards the end of 2006 was that his release clause was 20M euros so this report could be indeed true.
Its a gamble worth taking, but its easier to make the decision if you are Chelsea.

mrki
04-07-2007, 14:40
Yes, its really hard for Berlusconi to take gambles...

Graeme C
04-07-2007, 14:43
well Milan cant really operate at the losses that Chelsea do. If Pato does go to Chelsea i cant see his future being that bright.

Ghost
04-07-2007, 14:49
well Milan cant really operate at the losses that Chelsea do. If Pato does go to Chelsea i cant see his future being that bright.

They've invested in a long time partner for Sheva, wow the CL should be handed to them.

Jim_UK
04-07-2007, 14:49
No one really seems to be talking about Huntelaar yet, i think he'd do really well alongside Ronaldo & Kaka.

It would also be nice to swap Oliveira for Robinho instead of Cassano even if it did involve a bit of money plus Ricardo.

If Pato does go, that always leaves Renato, maybe he'd be a better option overall anyway.

King tiger
04-07-2007, 14:50
']Well, the initial report when Pato signed his contract towards the end of 2006 was that his release clause was 20M euros so this report could be indeed true.
Its a gamble worth taking, but its easier to make the decision if you are Chelsea.


$20m,



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Ghost
04-07-2007, 14:55
Ive read on the BBC website that Torres went for a fee to be believed around 20 Million, if thats true I think it was ok.

Tony29.
04-07-2007, 14:55
No one really seems to be talking about Huntelaar yet, i think he'd do really well alongside Ronaldo & Kaka.

There were many reports and i have no idea if any of what was said is true but it looks like Juve payed some money to Ajax (1.5m Euro or smthg) just to have an option on Huntelaar next summer.
Like i said, i dunno if this is true or not. If Huntelaar stays with Ajax this next season then maybe there really is truth in these reports.

Nalx
04-07-2007, 14:59
And what about Affonso who became Eredivisie topscorer in his 1st season. The last one who did so was Ronaldo.

zlatanov
04-07-2007, 14:59
']Well, the initial report when Pato signed his contract towards the end of 2006 was that he is release clause was 20M euros so this report could be indeed true.
Its a gamble worth taking, but its easier to make the decision if you are Chelsea.
the above link says 20 mil US though (around 14.6 mil euros) ... I would still wait and see if this is confirmed as several days ago another Brazilian website said that Pato has gone to Chelski but they were quoting a British paper (telegraf, I think) and that one turned out to be just a rumour spread in the British media.

Can someone with better Portoguese tell us if what the article cliams is a finalized deal or, as I think I read there, Pato has yet to agree terms with CHelksi and only a general agreement has been reached betwene the two clubs so far?
Plus, several Brazilian football personalities have been advising him to go with Milan, so maybe not everything is final, if the article's claims are true at all.

But I agree, even 14.6 mil euros is a lot of money for such a long term investment - don't think Milan would have started utilizing Pato as starting material for at least another 2-3 years - and by then, he may have well be thinking of leaving Chelski, unless he turns out to be the first SA player to find in London and Stamford bridge his new home ;)

zlatanov
04-07-2007, 15:02
Ive read on the BBC website that Torres went for a fee to be believed around 20 Million, if thats true I think it was ok.
I believe that's 20 mil BP (30 mil euros) + Luis Garcia ... his salary however dwarfs the transfer fee with that 7+ mil euros for a 6-year contract.

Nordahl
04-07-2007, 15:03
Yes, its really hard for Berlusconi to take gambles...


Yes... we're a poor side, we cannot afford some gambles once in a while... :irritate:

Jim_UK
04-07-2007, 15:05
unless he turns out to be the first SA player to find in London his new home ;)

eh? What about Denilson and Gilberto Silva? And to a lesser extent Scaloni, Crespo & Tevez? They all live/lived in London :D

Well Tony i hope that article was wrong and i hope he still remembers Van Basten as his idol and wants to join Milan because of him :grinser:

zlatanov
04-07-2007, 15:06
Yes... we're a poor side, we cannot afford some gambles once in a while... :irritate:
pretty easy to gamble and invest other people's money, isn't it ... maybe when you earn your own, you could make Milan fans happy and spend it on future Milan legends ... until then, at least try to appreciate what you have :)

ThrusT
04-07-2007, 15:07
And what about Affonso who became Eredivisie topscorer in his 1st season. The last one who did so was Ronaldo.
I like this guy, scoring the most goals with Heerenveen is quite an achievement.
But he's a bigger gamble than Pato, I would like it if we kept an eye on him for the coming years..just see how he develops.

zlatanov
04-07-2007, 15:09
eh? What about Denilson and Gilberto Silva? And to a lesser extent Scaloni, Crespo & Tevez? They all live/lived in London :D

yeah, apart from G Silva and Tevez (for now), what about them? :D
but I wasn't clear enough when I said London, I meant more like Stamford Bridge i.e. ego-land, I-wanna-have-that-pay-raise-too Chelski

mrki
04-07-2007, 15:13
1.5 mln is nothing to secure Huntelaar for Juve, Gattuso could have done that in Milan's name if he wanted to. these reports cant be true...its simply too little. In few years Pato will cost 50 mln, and then well say how we need someone young and new as we cant sign big stars like Pato...

Warro Bantan
04-07-2007, 15:14
Oh woe is me! We have just lost out on the next Spanish hope: Torres....ahh me oh my...we are going to get relegated this season, because Liverpool bought Torres, we are going to get kicked out of the UCL in the first round.....we will lose Kaka....

I think I might just become an Inter fan...

mrki
04-07-2007, 15:16
I think I might just become an Inter fan...

huh. . .dont ever say that, in any context... never. :w221:

zlatanov
04-07-2007, 15:17
Oh woe is me! We have just lost out on the next Spanish hope: Torres....ahh me oh my...we are going to get relegated this season, because Liverpool bought Torres, we are going to get kicked out of the UCL in the first round.....we will lose Kaka....

I think I might just become an Inter fan...
grab a spot on that wagon for me too, Warro ... or wait, no need to, doubt it's the hottest ticket in town so lots of empty seats on that one :grinser:

Warro Bantan
04-07-2007, 15:18
Believe me, I am not serious, but in truth, some of these posts drive me to distraction....I mean please....this is silly season, and we cant buy everyone...:rollani:

GilAttack [11]
04-07-2007, 15:21
the above link says 20 mil US though (around 14.6 mil euros) ... I would still wait and see if this is confirmed as several days ago another Brazilian website said that Pato has gone to Chelski but they were quoting a British paper (telegraf, I think) and that one turned out to be just a rumour spread in the British media.

Can someone with better Portoguese tell us if what the article cliams is a finalized deal or, as I think I read there, Pato has yet to agree terms with CHelksi and only a general agreement has been reached betwene the two clubs so far?
Plus, several Brazilian football personalities have been advising him to go with Milan, so maybe not everything is final, if the article's claims are true at all.

But I agree, even 14.6 mil euros is a lot of money for such a long term investment - don't think Milan would have started utilizing Pato as starting material for at least another 2-3 years - and by then, he may have well be thinking of leaving Chelski, unless he turns out to be the first SA player to find in London and Stamford bridge his new home ;)

Pato repeated 32932 times that he would like to play in Italy and loves Milan (team, not city). So if he indeed signed with Chelsea, its because Milan didnt try. Because all things being equal (or relative close), he would have choosen Milan, no doubt.

zlatanov
04-07-2007, 15:27
']Pato repeated 32932 times that he would like to play in Italy and loves Milan (team, not city). So if he indeed signed with Chelsea, its because Milan didnt try. Because all things being equal (or relative close), he would have choosen Milan, no doubt.
ina gazzetta interview, just several days ago - after the loss to Poland actually - he said that he would love to play for Milan with all the Brazilians there but he also said that it would be great for him to go to any of Inter, Milan, CHelski as it didn't really make a dif for a player like him - young and inexperienced - and those were all great options.

it was mostly other Brazilian players - Falcao to name one - who have urged him to chose Milan due to the better environment he would find there.

what, I am not sure, however is if Pato has agreed to the transfer - need someone with better Portoguese to translate that part of the article - or if what the article says is true at all.

Kaku
04-07-2007, 15:29
Reading the link again it's saying that Inter will receive the US$ 20m from Chelsea and Pato will receive US$10m...I'm not sure if that means the whole transfer = US$ 30m, although I think it is, and yes, Pato has yet to sign the contract and neither Chelsea or Internacional RS have confirmed the transfer yet. His dad went to London so he could discuss the contract. So we still have a chance if we move quickly which I hope we'll do...this kid is an amazing talent, scored 2 against South Korea in the u20 World Cup :)

Jim_UK
04-07-2007, 15:33
... we cant buy everyone...:rollani:

Why not? We should be able to buy everyone! That's such a negative attitude, the kind you'd expect from Inter fans :guw:

zlatanov
04-07-2007, 15:35
Reading the link again it's saying that Inter will receive the US$ 20m from Chelsea and Pato will receive US$10m...I'm not sure if that means the whole transfer = US$ 30m, although I think it is, and yes, Pato has yet to sign the contract and neither Chelsea or Internacional RS have confirmed the transfer yet. His dad went to London so he could discuss the contract. So we still have a chance if we move quickly which I hope we'll do...this kid is an amazing talent, scored 2 against South Korea in the u20 World Cup :)
thanks for clarifying that, Kaku

mrki
04-07-2007, 15:42
20 mln for a 17 year old boy, I dont see Galliani doing that,no way. Aldough I would like to see Pato in Milan sistem. Cassano is our man...not in shape, desperate, low cost, italian...

Jim_UK
04-07-2007, 15:51
Cassano is our man...not in shape, desperate, low cost, italian...


Even for you that's a bit of a negative view on things :grinser:

Chin up mate, it's not all bad! We have plenty of time to sign various people :5ok:

Tony29.
04-07-2007, 15:52
off topic :

I need a favour
Can you guys think of players who failed in Milan and became top stars after they left you ( smthg like Henry in Juve-Arsenal or Pirlo in Inter-Milan)
So far i have Davids, Ayala and Kluivert but i need at least 2 more names.

Note * I don't need players who were stars and then failed in Milan (like Rivaldo)

Thank you

zlatanov
04-07-2007, 15:52
off topic :

I need a favour
Can you guys think of players who failed in Milan and became top stars after they left you ( smthg like Henry in Juve-Arsenal or Pirlo in Inter-Milan)
So far i have Davids, Ayala and Kluivert but i need at least 2 more names.

Note * I don't need players who were stars and then failed in Milan (like Rivaldo)

Thank you
Vieira too

but you can safely take Kluivert off that list, I think - at his best he was at Ajax, from then on, Milan, Barca, etc he never really lived up to the expectations ... at Barca he probably had a slightly better run but the Barca team back then was pretty average so that doesn't say much.

rosoneri_11
04-07-2007, 15:54
How about Amauri? "The Brazilian Drogba"! Despite his big injurie he had played great games at the start of the season and he made his name very famous at europe for that time. Everyone was speaking about him that he looks like Drogba but that big injurie stoped his form and dreams for a great season.
Does anyone know if he will start for the new season?

NAMMY
04-07-2007, 15:58
Viera? Mainly in reserves and only 2 appearances in 95/96 (Ah too slow).
Maybe Oddo as well? Was loaned out loads 1993-2000, got some success with Lazio.

However, these two were quite young.

rosoneri_11
04-07-2007, 15:59
off topic :

I need a favour
Can you guys think of players who failed in Milan and became top stars after they left you ( smthg like Henry in Juve-Arsenal or Pirlo in Inter-Milan)
So far i have Davids, Ayala and Kluivert but i need at least 2 more names.

Note * I don't need players who were stars and then failed in Milan (like Rivaldo)

Thank you



At the moment i can't remember someone else despite Vieira. :rolleyes: If i find something i will post it.

rosoneri_11
04-07-2007, 16:06
Roma accept £13m Chivu fee from Real Madrid. :mad: Bye bye Chivu! :kap: I was dreaming you with milan's shirt!

Why mr. Galiani?Why?

http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jul4r.html

Jim_UK
04-07-2007, 16:06
I don't think you can include Vieira, he hardly played enough games to be labelled a flop.

Jose Mari, Jens Lehman, Reiziger, Cosmin Contra, Coloccini ... though i wouldn't say any of them became huge stars after they left us, though maybe they did better at their subsequent teams than they did with us :googly:

Stitch
04-07-2007, 16:12
Roma accept £13m Chivu fee from Real Madrid. :mad: Bye bye Chivu! :kap: I was dreaming you with milan's shirt!

Why mr. Galiani?Why?

http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jul4r.html

Because Berlu obviously needs money. I am starting to believe that not everything is rosy in Berlu empire ever since he lost his place as the prime minister of Italy.

Tony29.
04-07-2007, 16:12
Thank you my friends.
I'll still use Kluivert and i'll add Lehmann also.
I'm having an argument with a Milan fan that i simply must win (:D) but it's really hard to find 5 failures in Milan.
Vieira, Ayala and Davids are the only ones. Maybe Kluivert (who, to be honest, was really good in his 6 years in Barcelona ) and Lehmann can pass as failures but i'm dealing with a smartass and i doubt i can fool him with these two :)
Oddo could have been counted but he's back in Milan. Reiziger did also bad in Milan and good in Barca but he was never a world class.

My next debate should be with an Inter fan. That will be an easy win :D

rosoneri_11
04-07-2007, 16:16
Thank you my friends.
I'll still use Kluivert and i'll add Lehmann also.
I'm having an argument with a Milan fan that i simply must win (:D) but it's really hard to find 5 failures in Milan.
Vieira, Ayala and Davids are the only ones. Maybe Kluivert (who, to be honest, was really good in his 6 years in Barcelona ) and Lehmann can pass as failures but i'm dealing with a smartass and i doubt i can fool him with these two :)
Oddo could have been counted but he's back in Milan. Reiziger did also bad in Milan and good in Barca but he was never a world class.

My next debate should be with an Inter fan. That will be an easy win :D


Oh...... yes i forgot Ayala!

Tony29.
04-07-2007, 16:16
I don't think you can include Vieira, he hardly played enough games to be labelled a flop.

No, Vieira is a perfect example in my case. Henry also didn't play for more than half season in Juve but i count him as the greatest mistake of Juve's BOD and coach.
Players that had the potential to become great but Milan didn't use that potential.
Vieira, Davids and Ayala (i really think he was one of the best 5 defenders of the last 5-10 years. He is very underrated imo ) are such cases.

Oh, and hats-off to Galliani and co. for this record. If you compare this with Juve and especially with Inter, you'll see that Milan was rarely wrong :5ok:

Hasan Rossonero
04-07-2007, 16:19
Because Berlu obviously needs money. I am starting to believe that not everything is rosy in Berlu empire ever since he lost his place as the prime minister of Italy.

:ilol: :ilol: :ilol:

Wow, what a gigantic leap. Not signing Chivu = Berlu needing money.

Berlusconi owns a large empire. I can assure you that him losing the elections is going to allow him to focus on it (if anything).

This, I'm sorry, is a silly post. Berlusconi is the richest man in Italy and worth billions.

ThrusT
04-07-2007, 16:19
Because Berlu obviously needs money. I am starting to believe that not everything is rosy in Berlu empire ever since he lost his place as the prime minister of Italy.
It still should be, he's more corrupt than Don Corleone ffs. :grinser:
He lost most of his influence but he should still be stinkin' rich with his TV monopoly...

http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jul4l.html
Ujfalusi wants a Fiorentina exit, to bad he also wants out of Serie A.

NAMMY
04-07-2007, 16:22
Hhhhmmm, didn't know about Lehman ...


My next debate should be with an Inter fan. That will be an easy win :D

:rolleyes:

Tony29.
04-07-2007, 16:27
:rolleyes:
If Inter fan tells me the same thing about Inter that my Milan fan friend told me about Milan ( he told me that i can't find 5 players who failed in Milan but did very good/great in their next clubs) i think he will be the loser if we bet ;)

Giorgos
04-07-2007, 16:35
Thank you my friends.
I'll still use Kluivert and i'll add Lehmann also.
I'm having an argument with a Milan fan that i simply must win (:D) but it's really hard to find 5 failures in Milan.
Vieira, Ayala and Davids are the only ones. Maybe Kluivert (who, to be honest, was really good in his 6 years in Barcelona ) and Lehmann can pass as failures but i'm dealing with a smartass and i doubt i can fool him with these two :)
Oddo could have been counted but he's back in Milan. Reiziger did also bad in Milan and good in Barca but he was never a world class.

My next debate should be with an Inter fan. That will be an easy win :D

Ayala didn't fail at Milan, he wasn't so good, at Milan was playing as RB and then to Valencia as CB where he was amazing. I still wonder why we got him out! :mad:

Ghost
04-07-2007, 17:23
I believe that's 20 mil BP (30 mil euros) + Luis Garcia ... his salary however dwarfs the transfer fee with that 7+ mil euros for a 6-year contract.

I thought Garcia was part of another transaction (between 4-5 Mill BP)?? So including Garcia would it be something like 16 Mill BP or 25 Mill BP? Wouldnt the salary be on top of that becuase I thought the money mentioned above was just for the transfer.

@Tony29: To consider Lehman a hit any where wlse you must be on drugs, apart from one immense CL season last year I cant see how he has been great any where else after Milan.

mrki
04-07-2007, 17:37
Tony, Im sorry but you will loose, there arent 5 players that left Milan and become world top stars... Vieira, Davids and Ayala did it... Reizenger, Lehmann and Kluivert never exceeded expectations and never proved they belong in great Milan side.

We make no mistakes! :)

Jim_UK
04-07-2007, 17:41
I thought Garcia was part of another transaction (between 4-5 Mill BP)?? So including Garcia would it be something like 16 Mill BP or 25 Mill BP?


The Torres deal was completely seperate to the Garcia deal. Torres went to Liverpool for £26.5 million and Garcia went to Atletico for £4.5/5 million. So although the two transfers were seperate, it effectively made the Torres price just over £20 million (£21.5 i believe).

Stitch
04-07-2007, 18:21
:ilol: :ilol: :ilol:

Wow, what a gigantic leap. Not signing Chivu = Berlu needing money.

Berlusconi owns a large empire. I can assure you that him losing the elections is going to allow him to focus on it (if anything).

This, I'm sorry, is a silly post. Berlusconi is the richest man in Italy and worth billions.

It's not just Chivu, I think you know what I meant. :d55:

Jim_UK
04-07-2007, 18:30
Not that we were going to sign him anyway, but Quaresma is being linked to A.Madrid (if they get him, how many wingers do they need?) and Carrizo wants to move to Lazio ... stupid kid!

Jim_UK
04-07-2007, 18:47
When did Ze Roberto re-sign for Bayern? I'm annoyed about that as it more than likely means we'll end up with Emerson :groan: I can but hope that Diarra will come in his place :D

drucurl
04-07-2007, 18:57
Look guys I know I sound like a prophet of doom/gloryhunter/no faith in our great management/ etc etc....but I'm with the fustrated camp on this one.....
I have complied excuses on our recent reansfer activity... I know Zlat Warro and my good friend the evil juventino (tony29 :D ) will have a field day proving me wrong...but maybe I need that reassurance:

1) It's early in the window- I agree but most of the big moves have already been made/ are in the process of finalization...why should we be last?

2)Players are expensive- So is is reasonable that EVERYONE else of the big clubs can buy players except us

3) Torres can't play in Calcio :mad: how do you know?? I know there were a bunch of flops...but there are always exceptions...it's not a very educated assumption imho.

4)Pato costs too much- This I agree but isn't it better to pay a little more for a great talent than to not have him at all

5)ONLY A forward.... Maldini will soon hit 40 already has problems with his knees.....I wonder how ridiculous is having a YOUNG FAST STRONG defender / LB's :eekani: (probably ludicrous :zany: )

6) We couldn't pay Henry- (I guess ronaldinho plays for peanuts :dontkn: )

7) We are complete- Keep saying that and Kaka would be on the first private jet to Madrid while we all siesta :d55:

zlatanov
04-07-2007, 19:01
The Torres deal was completely seperate to the Garcia deal. Torres went to Liverpool for £26.5 million and Garcia went to Atletico for £4.5/5 million. So although the two transfers were seperate, it effectively made the Torres price just over £20 million (£21.5 i believe).
well, if it was indeed a seperate deal then Torres still cost Pool 25/26 mil BP as the Garcia money would have stayed at the club otherwise ...
and 26mil BP is what Torres' buy-out clause was (40 mil euros) so I would think the two clubs did reach an agreement at least several mils below that.

the latest I read was that the fee was around 36 mil euros, maybe a bit more, but I still think Garcia was included in that deal, which would mean that Pool would pay 36/37 or so - Garcia's worth in cash to AM ... technically, it doesn't matter if the two deals were seperate or not

And yeah, of course the salary is on top of that - about another 42 mil over 6 years.

Stitch
04-07-2007, 19:04
Great post dru :)

drucurl
04-07-2007, 19:09
I was really hoping for Torres to come here :( he's sooo fast with him Kaka and Ronaldo the only thing the keepers would have time to do is take the ball out the back of the net ;) hope we bully Athletico out of the Quaresma deal by withholding Abbiatti :haha:

zlatanov
04-07-2007, 19:11
3) Torres can't play in Calcio :mad: how do you know?? I know there were a bunch of flops...but there are always exceptions...it's not a very educated assumption imho.

you know, dru, naming one exception would have helped your cause ;) ... so after all, we are talking about a big gamble here ... worth 35/36 mil euros, probably ... and a salary that's higher than that of any player in Italy ... don't you think that's a bit too much for a player who is yet to prove himself at the levels of football Milan is part of and not Sampdoria or Udinese.

As for Pato, let's be a bit more patient until it all cleras up who has he signed for and who not.

And Galliani's words about Milan being complete in defense, don'ttake it so much to heart - Milan did try to get Abidal and Tiago, remember, so all in all, we just don't know what is the management up to as thei actions seem to contradict their words to the press ... and that's probably better as I'd rather not have Inter on our butts for every player we show interest in because that seems to be the only way for them to figure out their transfer targets :rolleyes:

Tony29.
04-07-2007, 19:34
I'd rather not have Inter on our butts for every player we show interest in because that seems to be the only way for them to figure out their transfer targets :rolleyes:
You did go after Suazo who was a well known Inter target and after Tiago who was Juve's main target .......... i think someone else has a problem figuring out their transfer targets :rolleyes:

:diablo:

Actually, i mean what i say !


Following : 3 miles long reply by Zlat !

zlatanov
04-07-2007, 19:55
You did go after Suazo who was a well known Inter target and after Tiago who was Juve's main target .......... i think someone else has a problem figuring out their transfer targets :rolleyes:

:diablo:

Actually, i mean what i say !


Following : 3 miles long reply by Zlat !
Milan was after Suazo last summer but he chose to stay with cagliari otherwise it would have most probably been him and not RO coming to Milan ... this summer, we went for him only after Cellino, cagliari's president, told Galliani that negotiations with Inter had been broken off and moved out of the way as soon as it turned otherwise ... and Suazo was more of a poor man's etoo for Milan, not necessarily their main target ... still, he had been on Milan's radar for over a year, maybe more.

As for Tiago, based on his words in Gazzetta, I think, it was Milan who was the first to contact him and things were going well, while all of a sudden their interest in him cooled off - maybe second thoughts about him, maybe for some other reason - and only then did Juve came into the picture, which eventually made Milan renew their interest in the player but he wanted Juve by then.

see, a mile long reply was just about enough :)

drucurl
04-07-2007, 21:39
you know, dru, naming one exception would have helped your cause ;) ... so after all, we are talking about a big gamble here ... worth 35/36 mil euros, probably ... and a salary that's higher than that of any player in Italy ... don't you think that's a bit too much for a player who is yet to prove himself at the levels of football Milan is part of and not Sampdoria or Udinese.
Mendietta wasn't that bad Ronaldo came from La Liga (unless of course you mean Spanish by nationality as well) I think Zamorano didn't do too bad either.


As for Pato, let's be a bit more patient until it all cleras up who has he signed for and who not

I understand and agree to a large extent, but I'd rather getting a talent now than seeing his overly inflated price later on.....then I guess Galliani would get out of that by saying that we need to acquire more young talent:rolleyes:

Another thing is that I hate to see young talent ruined by poor career moves. I question whether Kaka would have developed so well had he chosen Real Madrid for example, over us. Similarly Rafael Sobis' career is taking a HUUUUGE nosedive since joining Bets....... we are partly to blame for that because the kid really wanted to come here....we played cheap (Again) and lost him ....Betis sold Joaquin and instantly became 100% rubbish...and he has no service...no support possibly ruined talent.


Now picture Pato joining Chel$ki.........can't speak English....not much Brazilians (if any at all) playing there, completely different style (which may suit his aerial abilities and his outside shot but isolate almost everything else) I'd say things weren't looking in his favour.

Compare that to the routes of Ronaldinho and Ronaldo, who both played in relatively easier leagues that nurtured their talent (ronaldo more so than ronaldinho), and later moved to one of the "big three". If we expect Pato to move to a big league there must be some system of support and this is where the brazilian rossoneri like ronaldo, kaka, Serginho, Cafu, and Dida come in :5ok:

And Galliani's words about Milan being complete in defense, don'ttake it so much to heart - Milan did try to get Abidal and Tiago, remember, so all in all, we just don't know what is the management up to as thei actions seem to contradict their words to the press ... and that's probably better as I'd rather not have Inter on our butts for every player we show interest in because that seems to be the only way for them to figure out their transfer targets

I understand this perfectly, however it hasn't been the first time such words were uttered.....and what followed showed me as a milan fan that he actually believed what he said... and we STILL haven't found adequate replacements except Bonera....Oddo is good at best but tends more towards 'average' than "great"...he certainly isn't your average Zambrotta.

Ancelotti asked for three players at the beginning of the season and we were all excited ....now we are hearing the dreaded "C" word :yuck:

(before you guys ban me again it's "complete")

Hasan Rossonero
04-07-2007, 21:43
Today's Gazzetta newspaper (not the website) has an interview with Ronaldo. He said he had dinner with Kaka the other day, and Kaka told him that he will remain faithful to Milan.

Gazzetta also says that Galliani wants Pato and Ancelotti has given the player the thumbs up. However, the obstacles are the ones discussed in this thread (his age to sign a contract etc.)

It talks about Kaka's contract and how Milan will not match the 10 million with a simple salary increase, but rather with handing over to Kaka his image rights. This way his yearly earnings will approach or equal 10 million.

What this has inspired me to do is ask my boss for full ownership of my image rights.

drucurl
04-07-2007, 21:58
Today's Gazzetta newspaper (not the website) has an interview with Ronaldo. He said he had dinner with Kaka the other day, and Kaka told him that he will remain faithful to Milan.

Gazzetta also says that Galliani wants Pato and Ancelotti has given the player the thumbs up. However, the obstacles are the ones discussed in this thread (his age to sign a contract etc.)

It talks about Kaka's contract and how Milan will not match the 10 million with a simple salary increase, but rather with handing over to Kaka his image rights. This way his yearly earnings will approach or equal 10 million.

What this has inspired me to do is ask my boss for full ownership of my image rights.

Other reports said that Kaka would use the $10M he earned from his image rights to pay off the bill Ronaldo's dinner cost him :grinser:

zlatanov
04-07-2007, 22:12
Mendietta wasn't that bad Ronaldo came from La Liga (unless of course you mean Spanish by nationality as well) I think Zamorano didn't do too bad either.

well, of course I meant Spansh by nationality ... and to compare Torres with Ronaldo ... come on dru, you are the last one I expected something like that from ... and all that just to prove a point or more precisely to TRY to prove a point :(
As for Mendieta, if that wasn't bad, then I wonder what is your definition of "total failure" ... given the high expectations and ridiculous trabsfer fee, Mendieta's Italian experience was worse than Cragnotti's worst nightmares :D

But my point was primarily about forwards because if mids like Mendieta found it hell to play in serie A, for forwards adjusting to Italian defenses and Italian way of playing football is even more difficult.

Last year, or was it the year before, Milan had lost their minds over Torres = he was the dream signing of just about everyone in the management - but in the end nothing happened, so I am sure they measured the risks very carefully and realized it would have been too much of a gamble to go with him - there is dif between taking measured risk and blind gambling - so I feel pretty confident that Milan knows very well what they are doing by not even attempting to go for him this summer.

I understand and agree to a large extent, but I'd rather getting a talent now than seeing his overly inflated price later on.....then I guess Galliani would get out of that by saying that we need to acquire more young talent:rolleyes:

Another thing is that I hate to see young talent ruined by poor career moves. I question whether Kaka would have developed so well had he chosen Real Madrid for example, over us. Similarly Rafael Sobis' career is taking a HUUUUGE nosedive since joining Bets....... we are partly to blame for that because the kid really wanted to come here....we played cheap (Again) and lost him ....Betis sold Joaquin and instantly became 100% rubbish...and he has no service...no support possibly ruined talent.


Now picture Pato joining Chel$ki.........can't speak English....not much Brazilians (if any at all) playing there, completely different style (which may suit his aerial abilities and his outside shot but isolate almost everything else) I'd say things weren't looking in his favour.

Compare that to the routes of Ronaldinho and Ronaldo, who both played in relatively easier leagues that nurtured their talent (ronaldo more so than ronaldinho), and later moved to one of the "big three". If we expect Pato to move to a big league there must be some system of support and this is where the brazilian rossoneri like ronaldo, kaka, Serginho, Cafu, and Dida come in :5ok:
well, I agree with you completely about Milan being the better choice for Pato but after all if he and his father chose Chelski money over Milan, I guess in the end one gets what one's asked for, right? ... i think it's more than obvious that milan wants him but it's not like we are on a mission to enter bidding wars just to save the talents in this world from making a career suicide because of a better financial offer.
It's up to pato and his agent to make that choice and if they mess it up well, tough luck today, better luck tomorrow ...

rosoneri_11
05-07-2007, 01:43
£20M ace Tevez: I'm joining Man Utd
tribalfooball.com - July 04, 2007

Manchester United have sensationally agreed a £20 million deal for West Ham United striker Carlos Tevez overnight.
The Daily Mail says the move will be completed next week, subject to any challenge from West Ham, who still claim to own the registration of the player who saved them from relegation last season.


However, West Ham have no contract with Tevez and his owner, businessman Kia Joorabchian, which has left the player and his representative free to negotiate a transfer with other clubs.

The news, breaking in South America last night, means that United will take their summer buying past the £70m mark, confirming them as the biggest spenders in world football.

Tevez was once fined when playing for Brazil's Corinthians for turning up to an official press conference wearing a Manchester United shirt.

He will fly from Argentina's Copa America base here to join United's pre-season programme.

"He just cannot contain his excitement at the news," a source close to the Argentina camp confirmed. "Tevez has been concerned about his future, worried about where he may play next season and now he is joining the biggest club in the world! This is massive news."

Tevez is best friends with United's Argentine defender Gabriel Heinze and was a guest at their end-of-season title party in a London club.

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Bye bye Torres, bye bye Tevez :kap: ..........................Whoes next? :mad:

Pietro
05-07-2007, 02:05
"He just cannot contain his excitement at the news," a source close to the Argentina camp confirmed. "Tevez has been concerned about his future, worried about where he may play next season and now he is joining the biggest club in the world! This is massive news."

Biggest club in the world??? we know that tribalfootball lie...but that is REDICULOUS!!!! :devf: :devf: :devf:

GilAttack [11]
05-07-2007, 03:04
Im reading the papers from Argentina (thursday edition) and no one has reported a single thing about this one.
One article has Tevez saying that he will decide his future after Copa America, that his camp hasnt received any formal offer but he is proud that teams like Real Madrid, ManU and Inter are keen on signing him.

Hopefully its not true, but at this point I dont give a shi* since we never were linked to him. He will continue to shine, he is more mature than ever in every single aspect. Excellent news for ManU if its indeed true.

Maltese Charlie
05-07-2007, 03:25
off topic :

I need a favour
Can you guys think of players who failed in Milan and became top stars after they left you ( smthg like Henry in Juve-Arsenal or Pirlo in Inter-Milan)
So far i have Davids, Ayala and Kluivert but i need at least 2 more names.

Note * I don't need players who were stars and then failed in Milan (like Rivaldo)

Thank you

Collovati. He became a world champion.

I can remember this transfer to Inter and I was really pissed off.
Milan sold him to Inter when they were relegated to Serie B and not because he was a failure. (The darkest era of Milan)

rosoneri_11
05-07-2007, 05:17
From:http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jul5c.html

Ancelotti demands Pato push
Thursday 5 July, 2007

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Milan boss Carlo Ancelotti has reaffirmed his desire to bring Brazilian starlet Alexandre Pato to the San Siro.

Ancelotti has been in Canada watching Pato play for Brazil’s Under 20 side where he earned his hype with a brace against South Korea.

“The kid really is very good. He’s young, but you can see that he has the ability to become a real phenomenon,” the ex-Juventus tactician said.

Copa Libertadores winners Internacional are reportedly keen to sell the man nicknamed ‘The Duck’ and have set a rescission clause on his contract at around £10m.

However, any transfer attempt will be made difficult by FIFA’s rule that prevents international transfers of players under 18. Pato may have to wait until his birthday on September 2 to make the move.

The other headache at Via Turati is the number of other sides looking to sign the gifted youngster. These clubs reportedly include Inter and Chelsea.

Ancelotti’s hopes of winning the race for his signature will be boosted by Pato’s statement that he would love to play alongside Ronaldo and Kaka.
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Thats some good news.

kef
05-07-2007, 05:36
Yes, that's good news indeed. Milan management wanted to give Ancelotti more power, so they should try to get Pato. Pato also wants to play for us and he has rescission clause, so getting him doesn't have to be to difficult.
I think Galliani is in doubt to get the player, because he doesn't know if the move will be a good one.
I hope we get him and it will be at least for less money then for Eto'o or Ronaldinho who could also fail here and they don't have so many years to improve anymore.

rosoneri_11
05-07-2007, 05:47
Yes, that's good news indeed. Milan management wanted to give Ancelotti more power, so they should try to get Pato. Pato also wants to play for us and he has rescission clause, so getting him doesn't have to be to difficult.
I think Galliani is in doubt to get the player, because he doesn't know if the move will be a good one.
I hope we get him and it will be at least for less money then for Eto'o or Ronaldinho who could also fail here and they don't have so many years to improve anymore.


Yes i also want us to sign that kid. As Ancelotti said he has it all to be a real phenomenon. After hearing that word from Carlo's mouth for Pato, that makes me feel very good about his future team.

NAMMY
05-07-2007, 05:50
Chelsea Bid for Pato Confirmed (http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=475271&CPID=103&clid=8&lid=8&title=Chelsea+bid+for+Pato+confirmed)

Alexandre Pato's agent has confirmed that Chelsea have made a bid for the Brazilian starlet, but Real Madrid, Milan and Internazionale are also in the reckoning.

The English giants have emerged as favourites to land the 17-year-old - known as The Duck in recent days.

However, Chelsea have stern competition to land the young forward - with three other colossuses of the world game also looking to tie up Pato's future.

All the interested parties have representatives in Canada for the World Under 20 Championship - where Pato is currently starring.

The Internacional ace fired two goals in Brazil's opening 3-2 win over South Korea and is being tipped as one of the tournament's stars.

His excellent form has only confirmed his prodigious talent to his suitors, and according to his agent, bids have already been made.

"Real Madrid, Inter, Milan and Chelsea have already made official offers for Pato," his agent Gilmar Veloz confirmed.

"We are analysing the deals and will sit down with Internacional. Then at the end of the year his future will be defined."

Chelsea are understood to have made the best offer, with a bid in the region of €20million (£9.9million).

Indeed some sources are suggesting that Veloz is, or soon will be, travelling to England with the player's father to finalise a deal with Chelsea.

Veloz hinted that Chelsea are leading the chase, by admitting Pato may find it difficult to land a work-permit in England.

"With Anderson, he obtained his permit to Manchester United with the condition that he was a talent of outstanding quality - and I don't know if Pato would be treated like this.

"Although, we have not decided whether he would go to Chelsea, Milan, Inter or Real Madrid."

No matter which club sign Pato, he will not be moving until the end of the year as he does not turn 18 until later this year.

"Pato is not yet 18-years-old. To move, he needs to be of legal age, and he is not until September," explained Internacional president Vitorio Piffero

"There is no reason for him to go now. What would he do in Europe until September? As he could not play."

Jim_UK
05-07-2007, 05:51
From goal.com/spanish radio/italian papers ... article (http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=344440)

Real Zaragoza Net Ricardo Oliveira

Radio Marca are claiming that Real Zaragoza have reached an agreement to sign Ricardo Oliveira from Milan.

The Brazilian does not feature any more in the Rossoneri's plans, and will return to Spain after just one season in Italy.

Reports from Italy suggest various clubs from Spain are interested in signing him, with Villarreal and Real Zaragoza leading the race.

However, Radio Marca are claiming that Zaragoza have already won the race, having reached an agreement with the Milan bosses.

Oliveira had caught the eye of the Milan scouts in the past season, following two impressive years with Real Betis, where he scored 27 goals from 46 matches played.

However, the Brazilian player failed to live up to the expectations as his lack of goals cost Milan important points in the early part of the season.

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Could be just nonsense, but i think his move to Spain is nearing completion. Haven't seen any figures yet. This would of course mean that any move for Cassano would have to be funded now and couldn't be just a straight swap.

The Pato news is encouraging ... and Alves is still available :devf:

English press is full of 'Tevez to Man Utd' stories but as already mentioned i heard he wasn't going to decide anything until after the Copa America.

Samuca
05-07-2007, 06:02
Why sell Ricardo Oliveira whe him football lives a bad momment?

Better loan he to São Paulo till the end of Libertadores 2008

I don´t have any doubts that Milan isn´t needing fast phew money to sell a underrated player

Samuca
05-07-2007, 06:08
Not to pick on you SkyEdge, but i find this particular train of thought completely ludicrous. That's like saying because you were rubbish at something 7 years ago, you can't be any better at it now! He was hardly there long enough for anyone to judge if he would have been a success or not. Ancelotti himself has stated numerous times that he made a mistake selling him, playing him in the wrong position and that he didn't see his full potential as a striker.

So i just find the whole "he couldn't adapt before so he won't adapt now" philosophy absolute nonsense.

Sneijder has joined Fiorentina for 12 million? That's a good deal for them purple peeps.

I don´t think it´s the main point

If Henry were a dif player outside of EPL, than he would be a nice hire to Milan independent of him past in Juve

mrki
05-07-2007, 06:34
Our midfield in few years...
.............pirlo........
..gattuso(c)..gourcuff...
.......kaka'........di gennaro.......
.............pato..... :zany:

Now that would be some youthfull team in Milanello, hasnt been seen in years now......






















............and will not be :grinser:

Jim_UK
05-07-2007, 06:35
I don´t think it´s the main point

If Henry were a dif player outside of EPL, than he would be a nice hire to Milan independent of him past in Juve


It is the main point. SkyEdge's view was that he failed at Juve so he'd fail at Milan, regardless of the fact he played less than a season of football at Juventus.

And why would Henry be a better purchase for Milan if he hadn't played in the Premiership?

mrki
05-07-2007, 06:45
Pato vs Korea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UysLYfBzXjE, first goal was nicely taken...

Ghost
05-07-2007, 06:46
It is the main point. SkyEdge's view was that he failed at Juve so he'd fail at Milan, regardless of the fact he played less than a season of football at Juventus.

And why would Henry be a better purchase for Milan if he hadn't played in the Premiership?

Jim I see your point and its true to say Henry would not of flopped again in Italy, Ancelotti did play him out of position and if he remained in the striker role he would of done to Italy what he done to England for sure.

On another note the following is pretty interesting:

Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger allowed Thierry Henry to join Barcelona because physiological statistics and read-outs suggested the striker was past his best. (Daily Mirror)

I know the above is not from a respected paper but if it is true im happy Henry ended up in Barca.

zlatanov
05-07-2007, 06:46
Pato vs Korea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UysLYfBzXjE, first goal was nicely taken...
take it easy there, Marko ... he still isn't a Milan player :D


Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger allowed Thierry Henry to join Barcelona because physiological statistics and read-outs suggested the striker was past his best. (Daily Mirror)

I know the above is not from a respected paper but if it is true im happy Henry ended up in Barca.
phys. stats and whatnot? ... I could have told him that for free, no need to waste time on searching for stats and read-outs :bri:

Giorgos
05-07-2007, 06:50
Oliveira heads for exit

http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jul5b.html

Brazilian striker Ricardo Oliveira is preparing to quit Milan with reports suggesting that Spain is the likely destination.

The 27-year-old has failed to settle at the San Siro since arriving from Real Betis for nearly £15m last August and is facing a season warming the bench if the Rossoneri make their expected swoop for a high-profile striker.

Despite finding the net an impressive 27 times in 46 games at the Estadio Manuel Ruiz de Lopera, the no 7 has hit the target on just three occasions for Milan.

Having snubbed Fenerbache, rumours suggest that Villareal and Real Zaragoza have reported an interest in luring Oliveira, but there have been no official talks as yet.

While a big name is likely to arrive in the near future, the Diavoli are also being linked with Lecce’s Azzurrini marksman Graziano Pelle.

The Calabrian did his cause no harm last term with a 10-goal haul at Cesena and is seen as one of the peninsula’s brightest young talents.

_MaJi_tz
05-07-2007, 06:53
http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=475289&CPID=8&clid=120&lid=&title=No+Milan+move+for+Sheva

No Milan move for Sheva

Giorgos
05-07-2007, 06:54
Yeah by seeing the video Pato's "simple" movements look like those of Kaka.
In Greek media there is a report that a final agreement was made to sell him in Zaragoza.

Ghost
05-07-2007, 06:56
phys. stats and whatnot? ... I could have told him that for free, no need to waste time on searching for stats and read-outs :bri:

An Arsenal insider said: "Arsene was given the statistics, hard and fast figures, about Thierry's performance levels. "If he'd wanted to keep Henry, he would have remained. But the stats suggested his performance levels were drifting away pretty rapidly."

lol, When did you change your allegiance?

zlatanov
05-07-2007, 07:04
From goal.com/spanish radio/italian papers ... article (http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=344440)

Real Zaragoza Net Ricardo Oliveira

Radio Marca are claiming that Real Zaragoza have reached an agreement to sign Ricardo Oliveira from Milan.

The Brazilian does not feature any more in the Rossoneri's plans, and will return to Spain after just one season in Italy.

Reports from Italy suggest various clubs from Spain are interested in signing him, with Villarreal and Real Zaragoza leading the race.

However, Radio Marca are claiming that Zaragoza have already won the race, having reached an agreement with the Milan bosses.

Oliveira had caught the eye of the Milan scouts in the past season, following two impressive years with Real Betis, where he scored 27 goals from 46 matches played.

However, the Brazilian player failed to live up to the expectations as his lack of goals cost Milan important points in the early part of the season.

-------------------------------------------------------

Could be just nonsense, but i think his move to Spain is nearing completion. Haven't seen any figures yet. This would of course mean that any move for Cassano would have to be funded now and couldn't be just a straight swap.

The Pato news is encouraging ... and Alves is still available :devf:

it looks like RO has agreed to sign for Real Zaragozza (radio Marca has said that) and the deal will be a 1-year loan with a buy-out opton for 10 mil:
http://www.calciomercato.it/dettaglioNewsCategoria.asp?hdnIdCategoria=2&hdnId=9760

as for Pato, looks like yesterdays news of him having signed with Chelski were just another hoax - simply an official offer by The Londoners was made to look like everything was done and dusted and he was moving to the Bridge.

Giorgos
05-07-2007, 07:05
At the same time Tevez is very close to Manchester United for 20 m (Engligh money).

mrki
05-07-2007, 07:11
Tevez can go wherever he wants, I dont care. But have you seen who will "replace" Henry? Da Silva from Dinamo Zagreb, for 15 mil... the man scores a lot of goals really, 34 in this season and for Croatia 7 in 12 matches, but to replace Henry is impossible...

So Ancelotti wants Pato, Braida wants Pato, Leonardo wants Pato, Kaka' wants him too... Brazilian former players advised him to join us... If we loose this one then I will be really dissapointed, really. Im sure PAto would join us in front of Chelsky as Milan is some kind of a simbol in Brazil, we do have really strong connectionsin there. Even Dunga called up Oliveira to play for Beazil aldough he really sucked in Milan, and that is not somthing Dunga usually does for other teams and players.

zlatanov
05-07-2007, 07:12
An Arsenal insider said: "Arsene was given the statistics, hard and fast figures, about Thierry's performance levels. "If he'd wanted to keep Henry, he would have remained. But the stats suggested his performance levels were drifting away pretty rapidly."

lol, When did you change your allegiance?
well, what can I say, I am a chameleon :D

Older players can still be better than younger ones but that's becuase they have more experience and know how to get more from the game with less physical input and thus compensate for their deteriorating fitness ...

Wenger, however, was looking at purely fitness performance figures, at least according to that "article" ... I mean honestly, what was Wenger expecting to see by watching those performance figures - the same results as when Henry was 23 yo? ... or maybe an imporovement? ...

http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=475289&CPID=8&clid=120&lid=&title=No+Milan+move+for+Sheva

No Milan move for Sheva
pure PR talk - if a return to Italy was never on SHeva's agenda it make me wonder what Galliani was talking about when he said " SHeva knows what he has to do" ... and what all those phone calls and dinners with Silvio, Galliani and Maldini were about ... maybe he has a crush on them or something :)

Hasan Rossonero
05-07-2007, 07:21
Chivu's agent has said that Real's offer is not sufficient, and that Chivu is ready to stay in Roma for another year.

It seems Inter's offer is better.

http://www.gazzetta.it/ultimora/agrnews.jsp?id=**239AFAC4-492D-4164-A54F-45553D979372}&cat=calcio&sezione=CALCIO

rosoneri_11
05-07-2007, 07:22
if a return to Italy was never on SHeva's agenda it make me wonder what Galliani was talking about when he said " SHeva knows what he has to do" ... and what all those phone calls and dinners with Silvio, Galliani and Maldini were about ... maybe he has a crush on them or something :)


Yes i had the same questions with you. If the things are like that, then what was trying Galiani to do with that words " SHeva knows what he has to do"?

Giorgos
05-07-2007, 07:22
It's official the agent of RO spoke in the radio station of "Marca" and he told that a final agreement was reached in order the player to moove in Real Zaragoza......

rosoneri_11
05-07-2007, 07:24
Chivu's agent has said that Real's offer is not sufficient, and that Chivu is ready to stay in Roma for another year.

It seems Inter's offer is better.

http://www.gazzetta.it/ultimora/agrnews.jsp?id=**239AFAC4-492D-4164-A54F-45553D979372}&cat=calcio&sezione=CALCIO


Inter? They said officialy that they are not interested anymore for Chivu!

Tony75
05-07-2007, 07:26
Can somebody make sure that when the door closes on that deal that it's bolted shut?

Hasan Rossonero
05-07-2007, 07:28
Inter? They said officialy that they are not interested anymore for Chivu!

I am talking about the personal deal offered to the player.

Hasan Rossonero
05-07-2007, 07:29
With Tevez rumours blanketing the press, Man U fans feel that this is the end for Rossi.

Should we bid for him?

Tony75
05-07-2007, 07:31
No. He'll be too dear.

zlatanov
05-07-2007, 07:38
Yes i had the same questions with you. If the things are like that, then what was trying Galiani to do with that words " SHeva knows what he has to do"?
I was actually being sarcastic :) ... my point was that the agent is talking BS as Sheva is obviously willing to walk back to Milano if that would have helped ... all those "80% done" talk was not for nothing, after all.




As for Rosi, he is atalent for sure but I don't see Milan going for him and Pato at the same time - this would cost us at least 25 mil that would be tied up in long-term investments without immediate return and that's just too much, I think.
If we can't get Pato, I wouldn't be surprised to see us go for Rosi, but both ... doubt it.

Tony29.
05-07-2007, 07:41
There's some game between Chelsea and Milan with Sheva and Pato. At the end the most obvious thing will happen.
Chelsea will buy 18 years old Pato and they will loan Sheva to Milan. Pato will have an average first season so Chelsea won't call back Sheva but they will buy some other 30m Eur attacker and Sheva will stay one more year on loan to Milan.
Pato will have another average season so Chelsea will loan him to Milan where he will play good football. Mourinho, who will still be the manager, won't call Pato back but will buy another 30m eur attacker and Roman will call back 33 years old Sheva to London.
Pato will have an amazing 2nd season with Milan and amazing 3rd season because Chelsea won't ask for him back and he'll stay at Milan.
After 3 years Chelsea will call him back but then Roman will start feeling bored with Chelsea , he'll sell the team for cheap bucks and Milan will buy 23 years old superstar Pato for only 10m euro.

There's your plan !
It's more possible than Pato to be a success in London.

zlatanov
05-07-2007, 07:43
There's some game between Chelsea and Milan with Sheva and Pato. At the end the most obvious thing will happen.
Chelsea will buy 18 years old Pato and they will loan Sheva to Milan. Pato will have an average first season so Chelsea won't call back Sheva but they will buy some other 30m Eur attacker and Sheva will stay one more year on loan to Milan.
Pato will have another average season so Chelsea will loan him to Milan where he will play good football. Mourinho, who will still be the manager, won't call Pato back but will buy another 30m eur attacker and Roman will call back 33 years old Sheva to London.
Pato will have an amazing 2nd season with Milan and amazing 3rd season because Chelsea won't ask for him back and he'll stay at Milan.
After 3 years Chelsea will call him back but then Roman will start feeling bored with Chelsea , he'll sell the team for cheap bucks and Milan will buy 23 years old superstar Pato for only 10m euro.

There's your plan !
It's more possible than Pato to be a success in London.
well, what can I say - you can always bet without any risk on Roman and Jose :grinser:

rosoneri_11
05-07-2007, 07:44
There's some game between Chelsea and Milan with Sheva and Pato. At the end the most obvious thing will happen.
Chelsea will buy 18 years old Pato and they will loan Sheva to Milan. Pato will have an average first season so Chelsea won't call back Sheva but they will buy some other 30m Eur attacker and Sheva will stay one more year on loan to Milan.
Pato will have another average season so Chelsea will loan him to Milan where he will play good football. Mourinho, who will still be the manager, won't call Pato back but will buy another 30m eur attacker and Roman will call back 33 years old Sheva to London.
Pato will have an amazing 2nd season with Milan and amazing 3rd season because Chelsea won't ask for him back and he'll stay at Milan.
After 3 years Chelsea will call him back but then Roman will start feeling bored with Chelsea , he'll sell the team for cheap bucks and Milan will buy 23 years old superstar Pato for only 10m euro.

There's your plan !
It's more possible than Pato to be a success in London.


Wow! What a thought! :diablo:

dejan.s
05-07-2007, 07:49
It seems that Chelsea is willing to spend more on Pato then Milan.
Why not to try for CAVANI Edinson, again?
He won't cost as much as Pato. Plus, he will be signed from team in Italy (Palermo).
Or maybe management should put hands deeper in the pockets and try to lure AGUERO Sergio? It's difficult, but not impossible.
They're all playing well at U-20 Championship.

Tony29.
05-07-2007, 07:53
Now picture Pato joining Chel$ki.........can't speak English....not much Brazilians (if any at all) playing there, completely different style (which may suit his aerial abilities and his outside shot but isolate almost everything else) I'd say things weren't looking in his favour.

This wouldn't be a huge problem. There are 3 Portuguese players in Chelsea and a Portuguese manager. Language is no problem but everything else is.

Tony29.
05-07-2007, 08:26
Tottenham strikes again.
This time they signed the "hottest prospect in defence in the French league" , Younes Kaboul for £8m (Euro 12m)
After signing Bent for £16.5m and Bale for £10m they seem determined to get the 4th place finally and play in CL next season.

So far they spent ~£35m ( euro 53m) :dazed:

zlatanov
05-07-2007, 08:31
Tottenham strikes again.
This time they signed the "hottest prospect in defence in the French league" , Younes Kaboul for £8m (Euro 12m)
After signing Bent for £16.5m and Bale for £10m they seem determined to get the 4th place finally and play in CL next season.

So far they spent ~£35m ( euro 53m) :dazed:
with money like that, one would think they have signed superstars and not no-name players/prospects, who might work but a safer bet would be they won't ... and to think they are shooting at 4th place at least with that team, my guess is Martin Jol will be looking for a new job next summer.

put anyway you want but if that's not lavishly overpaying for unproven players, I don't know what is.

Stitch
05-07-2007, 08:33
i know it's off the topic, but I have to post this

http://www.upload.ba/photo/img/458630ad496d34572c3eb45f1a6eb9a6/maldini.jpg

isn't he cute :5ok:

:grinser:

Ghost
05-07-2007, 08:43
Older players can still be better than younger ones but that's becuase they have more experience and know how to get more from the game with less physical input and thus compensate for their deteriorating fitness ...

Wenger, however, was looking at purely fitness performance figures, at least according to that "article" ... I mean honestly, what was Wenger expecting to see by watching those performance figures - the same results as when Henry was 23 yo? ... or maybe an imporovement? ...

The two big advantages Henry had was Pace and Skill/Vision with the ball, as he reaches the end part of his career we can take away the pace. All that is left is his skill and vision and the situation this year is a bit like Shevas last year. Leading up to his departure I was like he cant leave but after he left my attitude has changed in the way that its best for him (Exactly like last year), clubs move on and no player is bigger than a club. If I was in Wengers position I would of done the same, I would of let him go because truth be told its a bit like Sheva, where Sheva had his best years and the years of his prime at Milan the same goes for Henry who had his best years at Arsenal.

Tevez can go wherever he wants, I dont care. But have you seen who will "replace" Henry? Da Silva from Dinamo Zagreb, for 15 mil... the man scores a lot of goals really, 34 in this season and for Croatia 7 in 12 matches, but to replace Henry is impossible...

I dont think Da Silva or any player in the world can replace Henry for what he done at Arsenal, compared to todays market they did not pay much for him (something between 6-10 Mill BP). The problem they faced is the same as Milan in the search for a striker but no one is available, also the fact that Milan can offer much more money. Lets be realistic who is/was available? Torres? He was set on Pool most probably because of the 'Spanish connection', Eto? Totally out of the question, Tevez? I dont like this guy for the simple reason of who owns him and thats why clubs arnt going crazy over him, the list could go on. What Milan need to do is take risks get a player from another league who is a proven goal scorer and give him a chance at Milan rather than going out and spending crazy money.

Tottenham strikes again.
This time they signed the "hottest prospect in defence in the French league" , Younes Kaboul for £8m (Euro 12m)
After signing Bent for £16.5m and Bale for £10m they seem determined to get the 4th place finally and play in CL next season.

To be honest they can spend all the money in the world, but they will still be the third biggest club in North London after Arsenal & Barnet FC.

Buju
05-07-2007, 08:46
Ricardo Oliveira's adventure with Milan is at an end.

The Brazilian does not feature any more in the Rossoneri's plans, and will return to Spain after just one season in Italy.

Reports from Italy suggest various clubs from Spain are interested in signing him, with Villarreal and Real Zaragoza leading the race.

However, Radio Marca are claiming that Zaragoza have already won the race, having reached an agreement with the Milan bosses.

Oliveira had caught the eye of the Milan scouts in the past season, following two impressive years with Real Betis, where he scored 27 goals from 46 matches played.

However, the Brazilian player failed to live up to the expectations as his lack of goals cost Milan important points in the early part of the season.

Arildonardo
05-07-2007, 08:54
It's getting harder and harder to find the superstar striker we are looking for:

Henry has gone to Barcelona.
Torres has gone to Liverpool.
Tevez is on his way to Manchester United.
Shevchenko is most likely staying at Chelsea.
Eto'o and Ronaldinho probably stays at Barcelona.
Adriano from Inter will probably be very difficult.
Pato is maybe too expensive for a player at his age, and probably he won't be able to do the same as any of the above mentioned players yet - maybe in a few years time...

Who else is on the market and can be considered a "superstar striker"?

mrki
05-07-2007, 08:56
Combination of Cassano and Pato could do well in Milan. Pato isnt ready to play all season long and he needs to work more on his game, while we can use Cassano in a good way, im sure of it. And Im also pretty sure that when Galliani sees what Tottenham is doing, he'll fall from his chair of laughter :grinser:

drucurl
05-07-2007, 09:08
I won't buy into the whole "Henry is past it" propaganda without a few Lbs of salt :zany: the thing is Wenger still has to make the blow of losing Henry easier on the Arsenal fans.....and what better way than to tell them that he is past it? I'm not accusing anyone of lying but I doubt Barca officials would be so dumb as not to thoroughly examine his condition prior to signing......On the other hand Henry could be bought to sell jerseys in which case they already knew that he isn't 100% but they don't care ;)

K77SH C
05-07-2007, 09:12
Arsenal didnt sell Henry because they think hes past it. They sold him because Arsene Wenger is one hell of a talent scout.

zlatanov
05-07-2007, 09:28
I won't buy into the whole "Henry is past it" propaganda without a few Lbs of salt :zany: the thing is Wenger still has to make the blow of losing Henry easier on the Arsenal fans.....and what better way than to tell them that he is past it? I'm not accusing anyone of lying but I doubt Barca officials would be so dumb as not to thoroughly examine his condition prior to signing......On the other hand Henry could be bought to sell jerseys in which case they already knew that he isn't 100% but they don't care ;)
"past it" doesn't mean that at 30 he can't play football but that he is past his peak of 2-3 years ago or so. He is still an excellent player but is beyond his best and year after year his performances will deteriorate as is the case with any player who is so heavily dependent on speed and agility ... he would still be a very good player for a couple more years as he would still have his technique and reading of the game but he would never have the fitness level of a 25 yo Henry and injuries will be more and more likely to strike ... hence the 24 mil transfer fee considering that his price 2-3 years ago was a good 3 times that amount, if transferable at all.

he is still a good player but not for long and will only get worse with time ... Wenger simply made a simple, and obvious, calculation and realised that there is no "future" for the club in trying to keep Henry when they could still get a good amount of money out of him, get rid of the highest salary in the team and reinvest all those funds in 22-23 yo players as Wenger does all the time.
Plus, Henry himself didn't seem committed to Arsenal anymore and looked like he had his mind set elsewhere - one more reason to get the cash and let a 30 yo player go.

Graeme C
05-07-2007, 09:31
Combination of Cassano and Pato could do well in Milan. Pato isnt ready to play all season long and he needs to work more on his game, while we can use Cassano in a good way, im sure of it. And Im also pretty sure that when Galliani sees what Tottenham is doing, he'll fall from his chair of laughter :grinser:

yeah i agree, they seem our most realistic targets atm..

mrki
05-07-2007, 10:03
I just saw on TG24 some news... Some reporter is in Milano and way talking about mercato by Italian clubs.

Inter has "backed down" from Chivu transfer, and aldough Roma accepted Madrid's offer, Chivu doesnt want to go to Madrid.
Juve is in negotiations with Camoranesi over his possible departure or new contract, and also with Milito as usuall.
Milan has offered 14.8 mln for Pato and Chelsea has offered 25 mln. Milan is also offering to move his whole family to Italy right away after transfer, and players family "wants" Milan not Chelsea.

Hasan Rossonero
05-07-2007, 11:10
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=23&a=47835

Spanish paper Secondo Sport claims that Sheva to Milan is a done deal.

Tony75
05-07-2007, 11:40
Must be true if a Spanish paper says it.

zlatanov
05-07-2007, 11:41
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=23&a=47835

Spanish paper Secondo Sport claims that Sheva to Milan is a done deal.
I don't think it says that ... they are basically repeating the same rumours that have been circulating around for a week now - Chelski would sell for 35 mil, Milan offers "only" 25 however ... and the spanish are throwing in a new twist, most probably to make their story more believable and not because it is necessarily true - Milan has a 3+1 year deal ready for Sheva, who has supposedly agreed to take a pay-cut from 8.5 to a little over 5 mil/year.
At the very end, they say that one more obstacle remains - the unwillingness of Milan players to see Sheva come back to milanello.

Nothing new really.

Hasan Rossonero
05-07-2007, 11:44
I don't think it says that ... they are basically repeating the same rumours that have been circulating around for a week now - Chelski would sell for 35 mil, Milan offers "only" 25 however ... and the spanish are throwing in a new twist, most probably to make their story more believable and not because it is necessarily true - Milan has a 3+1 year deal ready for Sheva, who has supposedly agreed to take a pay-cut from 8.5 to a little over 5 mil/year.
At the very end, they say that one more obstacle remains - the unwillingness of Milan players to see Sheva come back to milanello.

Nothing new really.
Yeah...I did read that in greater detail. However, Gazzetta headlined (even if the article had a slightly different tone) it as "fatta con il Milan", as if everything it was a mere formality http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Calciomercato/.

I really doubt a Spanish paper would have anything new to offer on this saga.

Arildonardo
05-07-2007, 11:56
Arsenal didnt sell Henry because they think hes past it. They sold him because Arsene Wenger is one hell of a talent scout.
I seriously doubt that Wenger himself is the finding all those talents, I bet they have fulltime scouts that are working well with the club.

Arildonardo
05-07-2007, 12:02
Combination of Cassano and Pato could do well in Milan. Pato isnt ready to play all season long and he needs to work more on his game, while we can use Cassano in a good way, im sure of it.
These are names that don't fit the bill "superstar striker", I would be kind of disappointed if our hunt for Eto'o, Shevchenko, Ronaldinho, Henry, Adriano and Drogba resulted in buying Cassano. Pato is ok, but he's still a young kid that probably will need a lot of time to shine in Serie A.

zlatanov
05-07-2007, 12:02
Yeah...I did read that in greater detail. However, Gazzetta headlined (even if the article had a slightly different tone) it as "fatta con il Milan", as if everything it was a mere formality http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Calciomercato/.

I really doubt a Spanish paper would have anything new to offer on this saga.
I just read it and it really doesn't offer anything more conclusive on the matter from what we already knew when Silvio said that it's 80% done for Sheva to be back (i.e. Milan and Sheva had an agreement) and after that reports suggetsed that Milan would not offer more than 20-25 mil while CHelski doens't wanna go below 35.
Now this same story is reported by Sport, who I guess in an attaempt to make it sound more sensational, have decided to announce it as a done deal, although they themseleves say that the previous differences between offer and demand remain unchanged.

And that thing about Carlo being lured to agree to take SHeva back by Silvio and Galliani promising him Pato too, that is as stretchy of a twist as only a Spanish paper can come up with :D ... and what's even more curious is that the Spanish learned that first while the Italian media was completely unaware of it ... :diablo:

Ghost
05-07-2007, 13:07
Zlat nice reply to Dru, you basically said everything I was about to say.

I seriously doubt that Wenger himself is the finding all those talents, I bet they have fulltime scouts that are working well with the club.

You know what, if there is one thing I admire about Arsenal it has to be the scouting system. It is one of the finest in the world, there have been some bad and good buys but the way Wenger picks them is just special. This is the reason Galliani stated they want to invest more in to the youth and create a scouting system like Arsenals. I wouldnt say Arsenal has the best youth academy but rather the scouting system as there are teams with much better academies Barca, Ajax to mention a few. This is the reason the board have offered Wenger a mega deal to extend his contract, im waiting to see his reaction. If you look at the scouting system - majority of them are past Arsenal players so they are similar to Milan in the way when players leave they get offered roles in the club.

The thing that annoys me the most about the market is that with to start with there werent many players that were available, the little players that were available are decreasing - If I have to be suprised with a team this summer it has to be Bayern, with no CL they have more or less taken over the market with Barca. Man Utd have spent too much on Hargreaves, Nani & Anderson IMO, with these three the cost is touching 60 Mill and they are looking to get Tevez for about 20-25 Mill. These are teams who are just investing money like crazy and most of them are in debt - However we have Berlu & Galliani and im sure they have something up their sleeeves.

Ghost
05-07-2007, 13:47
Looks like Alex will join Chelsea this summer, lets hope Carvalho body slams him.

Jim_UK
05-07-2007, 13:57
Man Utd have spent too much on Hargreaves, Nani & Anderson IMO, with these three the cost is touching 60 Mill and they are looking to get Tevez for about 20-25 Mill.

The total cost is more than that, it's around £50 million for those 3, which makes it 74 million euros already. Add Tevez to that (should they get him) for at least £20 million and they'll surpass the 100 million euro mark easily enough.

I'm sure they're sill in alot of debt or at least the Glazers are as they borrowed alot of money to buy the club, the top clubs in England make far healthier profits than Italian clubs. I remember figures of around £40 million and over, though i can't be sure if that's profit or just income.

The point being that Milan made just £1.1 million profit last season, which means they obviously don't have the club finances to compete on such a level of spending. Considering all of this, i find it amazing that we're willing to spend 20-25 million to bring Shevchenko back, what a waste!

Hasan Rossonero
05-07-2007, 15:08
The total cost is more than that, it's around £50 million for those 3, which makes it 74 million euros already. Add Tevez to that (should they get him) for at least £20 million and they'll surpass the 100 million euro mark easily enough.

I'm sure they're sill in alot of debt or at least the Glazers are as they borrowed alot of money to buy the club, the top clubs in England make far healthier profits than Italian clubs. I remember figures of around £40 million and over, though i can't be sure if that's profit or just income.

The point being that Milan made just £1.1 million profit last season, which means they obviously don't have the club finances to compete on such a level of spending. Considering all of this, i find it amazing that we're willing to spend 20-25 million to bring Shevchenko back, what a waste!

Actually top clubs in England are also operating at a loss. Buying clubs with leveraged debt is risky business.

Also, did you know that the Premiership debt in total exceeds 4 billion pounds!!

This is not a healthy financial position to be in. The best run league is the Bundesliga, though obviously not as exciting as the big 3.

King tiger
05-07-2007, 15:32
The point being that Milan made just £1.1 million profit last season, which means they obviously don't have the club finances to compete on such a level of spending. Considering all of this, i find it amazing that we're willing to spend 20-25 million to bring Shevchenko back, what a waste!

dude we are amongst few big clubs that have profit.
no need to worry :D

Giorgos
05-07-2007, 15:48
According to : http://www.sport.es/ , "Sport", There are negotiation between Chelsea and Milan are making negotiations fro Shevchenko. Chelsea want to sell him about 35 m while we want to give 20 to 25. Mourinho seems to have said to Abramovic that is better for the team Sheva to go away. At the same time the Russian asks from the Portugal coach to take the whole responsibility for a future departure of Sheva. The player seems to be open to decrease his wages from 8 m that takes in Chelsea to 5 that Milan can offer. So want it or not, Sheva is the most probable solution for us in offense.

I want to ask you sthng after RO departure we will not have an extra non-Eu player position?

mrki
05-07-2007, 16:21
Well, we should have, shouldnt we?

Tony29.
05-07-2007, 16:25
You can only get one non-EU player from abroad. RO out won't change anything !

mrki
05-07-2007, 16:27
So the question is: Pato or mr. $hevchenko ?

zlatanov
05-07-2007, 16:28
... or both, with Pato arriving next year ... either way, he is too young to play a central role for Milan this and maybe even next year.

Hasan Rossonero
05-07-2007, 16:29
Now that it has been a few days in the market, I still maintain our 3 realistic targets are Shevchenko, Cassano and Ronaldinho. The 3rd one looks remote, but I have a feeling that it will happen.

ThrusT
05-07-2007, 16:31
So the question is: Pato or mr. $hevchenko ?
Sheva is a EU player, not?

Hasan Rossonero
05-07-2007, 16:32
Sheva is a EU player, not?

No, he isn't.

Tony29.
05-07-2007, 16:35
... or both, with Pato arriving next year ... either way, he is too young to play a central role for Milan this and maybe even next year.
Zlat, let me ask you a question.
If Milan gets Sheva and if you buy Pato through, lets say, Empoli and then get him in August from this Italian team..... do you have the same problem as Liverpool had with Mascherano ?
Do the matches he played before u-20 WC for International ( in May and June) count for season 2007/08 ? Because if they count then Milan will be his 3rd club this year after Internazional and "Empoli" .

ThrusT
05-07-2007, 16:35
No, he isn't.
How does this silly rule work than?
Sheva is European..

Maurizio
05-07-2007, 16:35
Both Pato and Shevchenko would be great. Pato would not be a starter for another year or two. He would be an active substitute for Ronaldo/Inzaghi (face it, pretty soon they will not be able to play the entire 90minute+ duration). Pato gets his experience and Shevchenko scores goals.

Tony29.
05-07-2007, 16:37
How does this silly rule work than?
Sheva is European..
So am i mate but i'm not an EU citizen.

Some European countries like Russia, Ukrain, Croatia, Serbia, Bosnia, Albania, Macedonia, Belarus, Switzerland etc aren't in the European Union and players coming from these countries do not have the EU passport so they count as foreigners !

zlatanov
05-07-2007, 16:47
Zlat, let me ask you a question.
If Milan gets Sheva and if you buy Pato through, lets say, Empoli and then get him in August from this Italian team..... do you have the same problem as Liverpool had with Mascherano ?
Do the matches he played before u-20 WC for International ( in May and June) count for season 2007/08 ? Because if they count then Milan will be his 3rd club this year after Internazional and "Empoli" .
yes, the games for Internazional will count but if Milan buys him and loans him out striaght to another Italian club, it would be that other club who would count as his 2nd, and not Milan as Pato would never be registered to play for Milan at all (in the same way Milan would be allowed to get a 2nd non_Eu player as long as they don't register him and play him ... at least that's what I believe the rule is).
In Madcherano's case, he had officially been registered for both Corinthians and then West Ham before he went to Pool and that's what created the problem.

Personally, I would rather leave Pato for at least another year in Brazil so that he continues his development in the Brazilian way, so to speak, ... after that, there would be more than enough time to teach him the Italian way of doing things ;)

But first things first, Milan has to actually buy him :diablo:

alesasso91
05-07-2007, 16:48
I finally joined here after a month of just reading the threads..........I am happy to see olivera leave and this will open the door for somebody... Pato maybe, sheva, adriano the saga continues........

Russo-Neri
05-07-2007, 16:55
yes, the games for Internazional will count but if Milan buys him and loans him out striaght to another Italian club, it would be that other club who would count as his 2nd, and not Milan as Pato would never be registered to play for Milan at all (in the same way Milan would be allowed to get a 2nd non_Eu player as long as they don't register him and play him ... at least that's what I believe the rule is).
In Madcherano's case, he had officially been registered for both Corinthians and then West Ham before he went to Pool and that's what created the problem.

Personally, I would rather leave Pato for at least another year in Brazil so that he continues his development in the Brazilian way, so to speak, ... after that, there would be more than enough time to teach him the Italian way of doing things ;)

But first things first, Milan has to actually buy him :diablo:

I agree - buy him and leave him in Brazil for a year

R9naldo
05-07-2007, 17:00
Milan wants to buy Riquelme ...? check this article out
http://www.tribalfootball.com/article.php?id=46499

22 Lory 7
05-07-2007, 17:29
Milan wants to buy Riquelme ...? check this article out
http://www.tribalfootball.com/article.php?id=46499
ehm i read it..anyway i don like riquelme so much :grinser:
i donno if he should come to Milan :grinser:

Ghost
05-07-2007, 17:53
Milan wants to buy Riquelme ...? check this article out
http://www.tribalfootball.com/article.php?id=46499

You shouldnt even bother reading articles on Tribal.

I personally think we should go for 2 strikers - invest some money in a young striker and let him develop probably some one like Pato and then leave him in Brazil. The other should be some killer striker, get Marco out of coaching his national team.

SkyEdge
05-07-2007, 22:17
with money like that, one would think they have signed superstars and not no-name players/prospects, who might work but a safer bet would be they won't ... and to think they are shooting at 4th place at least with that team, my guess is Martin Jol will be looking for a new job next summer.

put anyway you want but if that's not lavishly overpaying for unproven players, I don't know what is.

I totally agree with this statement. In no way is Darren Bent worth MORE than Thierry Henry. Lets be honest here, He is good for maybe 13-19
goals consistently per season in all competitions but he is definitely not as
good as Henry at that age and he most likely will never be even equal half of
what Henry has contributed to Arsenal :rolleyes:

Gareth Bale for 10m Pounds? Southamton must be going :5nana:

For that Kaboul dude.. I dun really trust French League Defenders much
since Boumsong's IMPACT at Newcastle.. :uhm:

And as for 22 Lory 7, Riquelme is a World Class Playmaker.. Any football fan
who doesn't just watch 1 Football league will know.. He was the reason why
Villareal brought the best out of Forlan for 2 years and the reason why they
are not doing so well until the end of the season ( Loaned out in Argentina )

As for the Sheva Issue, He is a Model Professional with strong character. IMHO, he won't just pack up and leave EPL. He wants to prove that he is still
one of the Clinical Striker in the World and silence his Critics in England who
have seriously made a Clown out of Him. They called him the Lost Clown, A 30m Bad Joke, Biggest Flop in the English Football History. Seriously, He's not
gonna leave till he sets the record straight or atleast try. He's prolly :d55: now

Hasan Rossonero
05-07-2007, 22:22
Today's Gazzetta newspaper (not website) says that Milan have the greatest chance of landing Pato (40%). Inter and Chelsea are estimated at 25% each, while Real are pegged as outsiders at 10%.

Gazzetta is a very reliable paper, as you guys well know (even if pro-Milan, it has a sterling reputation when compared to rags such as Tuttosport). This is how they see things.

Sleep
05-07-2007, 22:32
It's a good thing about pato. I think there are only way to prevent Pato coming to Milan is Shevchenko. I don't really know why Berlusconi is so obsessed with him <he said because he is romantic :d>. Pato or Shevchenko will be battle inside Milan:
Pato side: Carlo Ancelotti, Milan's players from Brazil and players who hate Shevchenko :diablo:, should we count fans who hate Shevchenko too:diablo:
Shevchenko side: Berlusconi + Galliani <I think Galliani doesn't like Pato, maybe doesn't think Pato is good enough. His talks, his actions...>

Shevchenko's side is strong at politic, but Pato's side seems to be strong at teamwork:D

hitmannq8
05-07-2007, 23:17
Sheva all the way. If not him then Tevez/Adriano/Cassano would be good, but seems like we lost Tevez to Man Utd.

Samuca
06-07-2007, 02:40
It is the main point. SkyEdge's view was that he failed at Juve so he'd fail at Milan, regardless of the fact he played less than a season of football at Juventus.

And why would Henry be a better purchase for Milan if he hadn't played in the Premiership?

No problem about he had played in EPL, the problem is that he almost never played what the used to play in EPL outside of England

Henry seems to be a EPL expert but him level fall down too much when he is in international competition

Shevchenko already proved him value and wanna go back to Milan

The only one forward better than Shevchenko in the world is Ronaldo and Milan already have the brazilian

Giorgos
06-07-2007, 03:47
You can only get one non-EU player from abroad. RO out won't change anything !


Thanks Tony. So RO has a EU passport? :5ok:

honsano
06-07-2007, 03:49
I really think a Gila-R99 pairing up front next year will be effective. I hope that R99 will help Gila find his touch like he did near the end of the season. Aside from that, I really can't believe how little talk has been made of the backline. I know this is 'silly season' but still if you are gonna be upset about anything I'd upset at that. By the way, any links to defenders aside from Abidal or Zambrotta?

Giorgos
06-07-2007, 03:58
It's a good thing about pato. I think there are only way to prevent Pato coming to Milan is Shevchenko. I don't really know why Berlusconi is so obsessed with him <he said because he is romantic :d>. Pato or Shevchenko will be battle inside Milan:
Pato side: Carlo Ancelotti, Milan's players from Brazil and players who hate Shevchenko :diablo:, should we count fans who hate Shevchenko too:diablo:
Shevchenko side: Berlusconi + Galliani <I think Galliani doesn't like Pato, maybe doesn't think Pato is good enough. His talks, his actions...>

Shevchenko's side is strong at politic, but Pato's side seems to be strong at teamwork:D

I want to ask you sthng, we need a solid striker, how Pato can do that?
Sheva will help also Gila can someone say how many goals Gila scored with Sheva next to him? :5ok: SHEVA COME BACK!

hitmannq8
06-07-2007, 04:50
Sheva and Gila suited each other so much. Their characteristics were ideal to match each other, it is no coincidence that our team scored the most goals in Europe in that season.

kastriot
06-07-2007, 04:55
I want to ask you sthng, we need a solid striker, how Pato can do that?
Sheva will help also Gila can someone say how many goals Gila scored with Sheva next to him? :5ok: SHEVA COME BACK!

Gila scored 17 goals from

kastriot
06-07-2007, 05:06
Gila scored 17 goals from 28 appearances!!! Which is solid by any standard, but some people cant seem to get satisfied...!!!!

Gila has scored 33 goals 69 appearances for Milan!!! which is almost 50 %...

If Zlat was saying that we should give a chance to OLI,
than I`m thinking that Gila should be a starter together with Ronaldo...at the beginning regardless who we sign.(sheva exception)

Stats are saying that he has done good job in Milan, but poor gila... DRU is still alive and he will hunt him for the rest of his live... :grinser:

Siregar
06-07-2007, 05:08
You can only get one non-EU player from abroad. RO out won't change anything !
So, it means one non-EU player per club from abroad every year?

How about if we take Sheva first than sell RO? Do we have a non-EU sport after we've sold RO?

Last season, I've read, that Milan free 1 non-EU spot for Sheva because Kaka got ?italian? passport. So it means, if in that time we bought Sheva, we would have taken 2 non EU in a single year (RO and Sheva).

Anyone can help me to explain the non-EU transfer for italian clubs?

Giorgos
06-07-2007, 05:09
Gila scored 17 goals from 28 appearances!!! Which is solid by any standard, but some people cant seem to get satisfied...!!!!

Gila has scored 33 goals 69 appearances for Milan!!! which is almost 50 %...

If Zlat was saying that we should give a chance to OLI,
than I`m thinking that Gila should be a starter together with Ronaldo...at the beginning regardless who we sign.(sheva exception)

Stats are saying that he has done good job in Milan, but poor gila... DRU is still alive and he will hunt him for the rest of his live... :grinser:

I would like to see again Sheva and Gila in front, remember the game against Fenerbaxtse :5ok:

Jim_UK
06-07-2007, 05:22
Alot of people are just assuming Shevchenko will waltz back into the side in the same form he left in. That he's just going to pick up where he left off and be a great player again. I find that far too assuming and far too naive.

kastriot
06-07-2007, 05:32
Alot of people are just assuming Shevchenko will waltz back into the side in the same form he left in. That he's just going to pick up where he left off and be a great player again. I find that far too assuming and far too naive.

we all know that its not gonna be a walk in the park...but if his accepted well by the players,he can easily adapt...ITS all in the head!!!

Giorgos
06-07-2007, 05:39
Alot of people are just assuming Shevchenko will waltz back into the side in the same form he left in. That he's just going to pick up where he left off and be a great player again. I find that far too assuming and far too naive.

It may happen, even though if he does not, by sure our offnse will not be static Jim.

1) Sheva by taking the ball will attract players towards him so near the goal Pippo and Gila will have more space to score. 2)By mooving around he will cooperate with Kaka and we will have more ways of attacking. Finally (i am sure about that) in counter attacks this year we had only Kaka to move towars Pirlo's long balls, Sheva did it very well in the past. :5ok:

Place your arguments Jim.... :5ok: