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rosoneri_11
06-07-2007, 06:09
Well i can't see Sheva's return as a good option.
He will come to us as a 31 years old player.He is 1 year out of good form.For sure his transfer will be from 20mil+.A big part of our fans will not welcome back him.
Why to sign sheva back?Why to spend 20m+ for a 31 years old player.
I can see him palying good football for 1 or 2 years when he will be 32 or 33.After that age what?
Spending 20m+ for a player whoes gonna play for us good football for 1 or 2 years is stupid for me.
Look at all the big clubs are buying wonder kids for the future of their club, and we are continueing to be connected with the past?I think its wrong.
So many good and young strikers, Huntelaar,Torres,Tevez,Pato,Anderson,Quagliarela......... and we want back sheva?No. We earn a lot of money from his transfer i don't want to give a big part of them back for a 31 player with a bad season.
So, it means one non-EU player per club from abroad every year?
How about if we take Sheva first than sell RO? Do we have a non-EU sport after we've sold RO?
Last season, I've read, that Milan free 1 non-EU spot for Sheva because Kaka got ?italian? passport. So it means, if in that time we bought Sheva, we would have taken 2 non EU in a single year (RO and Sheva).
Anyone can help me to explain the non-EU transfer for italian clubs?
you can only get one non-EU player from out of italy every year. It doesn't matter how many non-EU players in your team or how many non-EU players you sell. Its just one non-EU player a year from out of italy.
Whoever in the team get an EU passport or selling a non-EU player doesn't change that.
rosoneri_11
06-07-2007, 06:28
I would prefer Adriano than Sheva back.
Remember the duo of parma Gila-Adriano? It was unstopable.
Gila can also play great with Adriano.
Gila scored 17 goals at 2005 with sheva. Remember how does he scored those goals? Very crup goals.
Remember how does Gila scored his goals with Adriano together.There was very good goals.The most of them.
Let the money-trator at England we must find a new sheva, not the aged-sheva for 20 mil+.
you can only get one non-EU player from out of italy every year. It doesn't matter how many non-EU players in your team or how many non-EU players you sell. Its just one non-EU player a year from out of italy.
Whoever in the team get an EU passport or selling a non-EU player doesn't change that.
Thanks, hwmook!
I would prefer Adriano than Sheva back.
Remember the duo of parma Gila-Adriano? It was unstopable.
Gila can also play great with Adriano.
Gila scored 17 goals at 2005 with sheva. Remember how does he scored those goals? Very crup goals.
Remember how does Gila scored his goals with Adriano together.There was very good goals.The most of them.
Let the money-trator at England we must find a new sheva, not the aged-sheva for 20 mil+.
absoultely agree. I can't believe someone would want a traitor back. Where's your pride guys??
Everythin gwent wrong the moment Sheva married K.Pazik. Why couldnt he get some pretty Italian girl and then everything would be just fine. He would stay in Milan and we wouldnt loose him and have troubles finding a player up front :)
Now seriousely...Im not for Sheva's comeback. As Stitch said, where is your pride? Its like you are begging someone to stay and he leaves, after he gets bored he decides to come back like we are some kind of charity institution. I know football is a professional game, but those players and coaches live together every single day and they are mostly morethan just co-workers. Get Pato, a young and promising player and let him Ronaldo,Gila and Pippo mix it up for this season, along with Kaka'. Sheva did what he wanted, but there is no way back now. Players in Milanello know it well, its just they cant say it in public. Maldini is an example of Milan's oppinion of Sheva's comeback - sustanied and professional, but distanced.
Arildonardo
06-07-2007, 07:28
Didn't Shevchenko obtain italian citizenship when playing for Milan? I think non-EU players can do that after 5 years in Italy. If so, then Shevchenko would not count as a non-EU signing if he was to arrive from Chelsea.
RO had spanish citizenship, so he never counted as a non-EU player for Milan I think.
I wouldn't want a traitor back also. He went from one of the most lovable, to one of the most hated figures in football for me, and I am enjoying every minute of his suffering in Chelski. Call me bitter (because that is what I am), and I am feeling like a guy who was dumped by his long time girlfriend, found a new one, started a good new life, finally got the pieces together and now the old girl wants back into his life, because she didn't found the guy she dumped him for is as attractive as he seemed. Hell no!
What a metaphore :grinser:
let me just quote myself :)
rosoneri_11
06-07-2007, 07:39
let me just quote myself :)
Haha. :grinser:
It would be nice if Sheva was cheating his wife(for a divorce).But the man can't do even that! :diablo:
zlatanov
06-07-2007, 07:45
Didn't Shevchenko obtain italian citizenship when playing for Milan? I think non-EU players can do that after 5 years in Italy. If so, then Shevchenko would not count as a non-EU signing if he was to arrive from Chelsea.
RO had spanish citizenship, so he never counted as a non-EU player for Milan I think.
neither Sheva nor RO have Eu passports, so they both count as extra-communitari (non-EU) players
I want to ask you sthng, we need a solid striker, how Pato can do that?
Sheva will help also Gila can someone say how many goals Gila scored with Sheva next to him? :5ok: SHEVA COME BACK!
Shevchenko IS a solid striker? I doubt that. If it's WAS I agree. Gilardino scored 16 to 18 goals with him I can't remember, but he can score 14 goals <I can't remember exactly> without Shevchenko. It's not many, right? And do you remember how many goals shevchenko scored with us in the last season in Milan and the season with chelsea. Is he the same shevchenko we knew?
I think Shevchenko getting back form is much more difficult than Gilardino getting back form. And if Gilardino gets back form, why do we need Shevchenko? A high waged - bench warmer?
It's not just 20m for a 31 years old striker but it's more than 30m, including his wage.
rosoneri_11
06-07-2007, 07:53
If not Eto,Ronaldinho,or Drogba i would love us to sign Pato and Quagliarela/Huntelaar.
Players with future,hungry for succses and for playing football.Not like some 30+ years old players palying just to earn moneys.
Milan_Mad
06-07-2007, 08:33
ManYoo are poised to sign Carlos Tevez, according to Sky Sports News.
According to initial reports, the striker has agreed to join the Premiership champions on a two-year loan deal with an option for a permanent move after that period.
The station speculates that Tevez will be paid £4m a year, and officially confirmed as a ManYoo player after completing a medical at Argentina's Copa America base.
More to follow...
zlatanov
06-07-2007, 09:05
ManYoo are poised to sign Carlos Tevez, according to Sky Sports News.
According to initial reports, the striker has agreed to join the Premiership champions on a two-year loan deal with an option for a permanent move after that period.
The station speculates that Tevez will be paid £4m a year, and officially confirmed as a ManYoo player after completing a medical at Argentina's Copa America base.
More to follow...
no need really, with all them purchases, I am sure the last team ManU wants to meet in the CL is Milan :bri: :5ok:
And I am also sure that next time we kick their butts out of Europe, SAF will come out and say - "We were taught a lesson because Milan are a much more experienced team and have great chemistry as the players have been together for a long time now" ... and then, a couple of months later he would go out and buy 4-5 new players all under the age of 21 for a total amount of 100 mil euros :grinser:
btw, maybe we should start compiling a list of players ManU will not buy ... will be far less work, I think :diablo:
Milan_Mad
06-07-2007, 09:09
no need really, with all them purchases, I am sure the last team ManU wants to meet in the CL is Milan :bri: :5ok:
btw, maybe we should start compiling a list of players ManU will not buy ... will be far less work, I think :diablo:Haha!! a 2 year loan option i found strange maybe they did this as they dont want to spend over 100mil :uhm: they are going to be very strong next season no doubt
Snapster
06-07-2007, 09:19
Haha!! a 2 year loan option i found strange maybe they did this as they dont want to spend over 100mil :uhm: they are going to be very strong next season no doubt
Premier league rules are stopping them buying him outright, money must be paid to West Ham, not his actual owners. So a loan is a compromise till the mess is sorted out.
rosoneri_11
06-07-2007, 09:30
no need really, with all them purchases, I am sure the last team ManU wants to meet in the CL is Milan :bri: :5ok:
And I am also sure that next time we kick their butts out of Europe, SAF will come out and say - "We were taught a lesson because Milan are a much more experienced team and have great chemistry as the players have been together for a long time now" ... and then, a couple of months later he would go out and buy 4-5 new players all under the age of 21 for a total amount of 100 mil euros :grinser:
btw, maybe we should start compiling a list of players ManU will not buy ... will be far less work, I think :diablo:
Yes but if they gonna kick our ass, what we gonna say about that? :rolleyes:
"Yes Milan is a great club with much experience, but experience didn't help them to win the freshed and hungry talented players for glory of ManUtd."
zlatanov
06-07-2007, 09:41
Yes but if they gonna kick our ass, what we gonna say about that? :rolleyes:
"Yes Milan is a great club with much experience, but experience didn't help them to win the freshed and hungry talented players for glory of ManUtd."
that was supposed to happen twice over the past 2 years with exactly the same scenario as you suggested - the young and talented ManU vs the old and squeeky Milan defense guarded by a talentless bunch like Seedorf, Gattuso, Pirlo, and that guy with a name like Ambrosio or whatever (as Mr Gray did and would say again for sure)
rosoneri_11
06-07-2007, 10:09
that was supposed to happen twice over the past 2 years with exactly the same scenario as you suggested - the young and talented ManU vs the old and squeeky Milan defense guarded by a talentless bunch like Seedorf, Gattuso, Pirlo, and that guy with a name like Ambrosio or whatever (as Mr Gray did and would say again for sure)
Yes but this time ManUtd is much stronger than before.
Hasan Rossonero
06-07-2007, 10:16
Yes but this time ManUtd is much stronger than before.
Every year Man U are supposed to be "stronger".
Man U were Premiership champions this season, and we ravaged them at the San Siro (their defence being injured was put forward as too easy of an excuse).
Simply put, I don't rate English players (nor Spanish ones). United's team with the likes of Carrick, Neville etc. don't really strike me as having the same pedigree as our players.
Italian coaches are also better at preparing their teams tactically and mentally. It takes more to win tournaments than buying players left and right.
Man U may well be investing because of their lack of success in Europe recently. We have a winning team in place that just needs slight adjustment here and there.
Well said Hasan, it always feels great reading posts from you. :5ok:
rosoneri_11
06-07-2007, 10:47
Every year Man U are supposed to be "stronger".
Man U were Premiership champions this season, and we ravaged them at the San Siro (their defence being injured was put forward as too easy of an excuse).
Simply put, I don't rate English players (nor Spanish ones). United's team with the likes of Carrick, Neville etc. don't really strike me as having the same pedigree as our players.
Italian coaches are also better at preparing their teams tactically and mentally. It takes more to win tournaments than buying players left and right.
Man U may well be investing because of their lack of success in Europe recently. We have a winning team in place that just needs slight adjustment here and there.
ManUtd has already win the EPL having a great club and playing good football.
Now with their great transfer Tevez,Nani,Hargreaves,Anderson+ their other great talents they are not supposed to be stronger, they are stronger! Can't you see that?
Well the EPL is the best and most difficult league of Europe.ManUtd won that trophie and also got in the semi final of CL.They are stronger than the last years.
ManUtd main target was the trophie of EPL, CL was their 2nd target.
Milan's main target was CL after the bad campionato we had this season, and we were concetrate in winning the CL.
ManUtd winning the EPL, get in CL semifinals (last year they stopped from the 32 teams phase) they are not supposed to be stronger they are really stronger!
Zlatanov, you're being arrogant just like the ManU fans were prior the ManU-Milan matches.
First of all, Manchester United won't play against Milan every year. Milan was beating ManU but it doesn't mean Milan had better team than them. ManU may even have better team than Milan but they can still lose. It's simple - this Milan doesn't suit them.
It shouldn't mean that ManU shouldn't buy good players just because Milan will beat them nevertheless.
By that logic, Milan shouldn't reinforce themselves because you'll be beaten by a Spanish team no matter who you buy.
Manchester has a smart transfer policy. SAF made a great team that won the EPL 8 times in 10 years ( from 1993-2003), that won the CL once and played 7 times in a row in CL 1/4's or more during the same period.
There was and still is a change of generations. During this change of generations Milan has beaten them twice ( and remember, Milan's generation had the best years from 2003-2007). When Milan had the change of generations, your team was playing in UEFA Cup, not making the semis of CL.
With the latest purchases i think SAF finally made the team he wanted to. A team that will rule England and be a strong favorite to win both in England and Europe at the same time ( something Milan wasn't able to do during your golden last 5 years).
A change of generation in Milan is inevitable, somewhere in 2008-2010. If Milan plays ManU in 2010 i think you'll see that SAF's policy was actually right !
Or even if you don't play against them.... you'll see they'll make better results than Milan.
I fully agree with rosoneri_11 and mrki: there's absolutely no understanble reasons to bring $hevchenko back.
rosoneri_11
06-07-2007, 11:04
I fully agree with rosoneri_11 and mrki: there's absolutely no understanble reasons to bring $hevchenko back.
Thats the logical point. Buying sheva we will have a player with no future!
Hasan Rossonero
06-07-2007, 11:04
Zlatanov, you're being arrogant just like the ManU fans were prior the ManU-Milan matches.
First of all, Manchester United won't play against Milan every year. Milan was beating ManU but it doesn't mean Milan had better team than them. ManU may even have better team than Milan but they can still lose. It's simple - this Milan doesn't suit them.
It shouldn't mean that ManU shouldn't buy good players just because Milan will beat them nevertheless.
By that logic, Milan shouldn't reinforce themselves because you'll be beaten by a Spanish team no matter who you buy.
Manchester has a smart transfer policy. SAF made a great team that won the EPL 8 times in 10 years ( from 1993-2003), that won the CL once and played 7 times in a row in CL 1/4's or more during the same period.
There was and still is a change of generations. During this change of generations Milan has beaten them twice ( and remember, Milan's generation had the best years from 2003-2007). When Milan had the change of generations, your team was playing in UEFA Cup, not making the semis of CL.
With the latest purchases i think SAF finally made the team he wanted to. A team that will rule England and be a strong favorite to win both in England and Europe at the same time ( something Milan wasn't able to do during your golden last 5 years).
A change of generation in Milan is inevitable, somewhere in 2008-2010. If Milan plays ManU in 2010 i think you'll see that SAF's policy was actually right !
Or even if you don't play against them.... you'll see they'll make better results than Milan.
It's not as if Milan will sit idly by in the next few years. We won the CL in 2003 and we won it again in 2007. So we must be doing something right.
Hasan Rossonero
06-07-2007, 11:05
Truth be told, I think Shevchenko on his own would be a step backwards. But if he came with another (promising) forward I'd be happy.
rosoneri_11
06-07-2007, 11:06
It's not as if Milan will sit idly by in the next few years. We won the CL in 2003 and we won it again in 2007. So we must be doing something right.
Yes but can you imagine the same team with the same players wining the CL of 2009? :devf:
rosoneri_11
06-07-2007, 11:07
Truth be told, I think Shevchenko on his own would be a step backwards. But if he came with another (promising) forward I'd be happy.
In that case i'll be happy to.
Zlatanov, you're being arrogant just like the ManU fans were prior the ManU-Milan matches.
First of all, Manchester United won't play against Milan every year. Milan was beating ManU but it doesn't mean Milan had better team than them. ManU may even have better team than Milan but they can still lose. It's simple - this Milan doesn't suit them.
It shouldn't mean that ManU shouldn't buy good players just because Milan will beat them nevertheless.
By that logic, Milan shouldn't reinforce themselves because you'll be beaten by a Spanish team no matter who you buy.
Manchester has a smart transfer policy. SAF made a great team that won the EPL 8 times in 10 years ( from 1993-2003), that won the CL once and played 7 times in a row in CL 1/4's or more during the same period.
There was and still is a change of generations. During this change of generations Milan has beaten them twice ( and remember, Milan's generation had the best years from 2003-2007). When Milan had the change of generations, your team was playing in UEFA Cup, not making the semis of CL.
With the latest purchases i think SAF finally made the team he wanted to. A team that will rule England and be a strong favorite to win both in England and Europe at the same time ( something Milan wasn't able to do during your golden last 5 years).
A change of generation in Milan is inevitable, somewhere in 2008-2010. If Milan plays ManU in 2010 i think you'll see that SAF's policy was actually right !
Or even if you don't play against them.... you'll see they'll make better results than Milan.
Once again the evil juventino is correct :5ok: It is beyond arrogant to say that we would continue to beat ManU the way ManU have been beaten Juve recently :D
ManU are a team that is always evolving and improving in each aspect as the time goes by.....If we think we can get away with what we did to them with the current squad, then we'd be really be psuhing it...I mean we would actually have a magical striker this time around who's last trip to Manchester gave him a hattrick :zany: but they have a strong defence and look rather complete in every area. Nani and Anderson are awesome talents and I would have given anything to see either one play for us. SAF is gradually going to learn how to utilize South American talent in the premiership.....a frightening prospect indeed when you think of the speed of the English game together with the speed of their attack
rosoneri_11
06-07-2007, 11:17
I read just now that real madrid had earn 440M euros from David Beckham in those years as he was a Real madrid player.
The director manager of real madrid said that in an interview.
Wow thats a lot of money despite the 36m that real sign David from Manutd.
I read just now that real madrid had earn 440M euros from David Beckham in those years as he was a Real madrid player.
The director manager of real madrid said that in an interview.
Wow thats a lot of money despite the 36m that real sign David from Manutd.
Madrid's initial cost of Beckham (36m) was regained in shirt sales inside 1 or 2 weeks i believe.
Shame he turned us down :D Just imagine how much he, Ronaldinho, Ronaldo & Kaka would make us in shirt sales .... kerr-ching :p017:
It's not as if Milan will sit idly by in the next few years. We won the CL in 2003 and we won it again in 2007. So we must be doing something right.
No, Hasan, you didn't understand what i was saying.
I'm saying no team is on top for more than 5-6 years.
After the golden generation of late 80's- mid 90's , Milan had a complete change of the team and it resulted with below average results. In the next 5/6 years Milan was really struggling both in Italy and in Europe. Then Carlo made another amazing team that made amazing results, mostly in Europe. This team has many players in their late 20's and 30's. In some 2 or 3 years many of them will leave Milan and it's always hard to replace 5 or 6 players from the starting XI that played together for so many years.
Juve had a golden generation from 1995-1999 and then the inevitable fall followed.
Manchester had a golden generation with young Becks, Giggs, Scholes, Neville, Cantona. SAF couldn't immediatly replace the departed players or the old ones and that explains their bad/ not great results in last years.
This previous season was a proof that things are going to better but they still lack few more players to become the force they once were.
Milan, with the same players more or less, has beaten them in 2005 and 2007, but by looking at things, ManU is finally becoming a team while Milan will lose many players from this team in next year or two and it will take few years a great team to be made again.
Like ManU was stronger than Milan in 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, and like they would have most probably beaten Milan if they played against eachother, Milan was stronger from 2003-2007.
In 2009 ManU will have a gelled team while Milan, most probably, will struggle to find the right combination.
The way Zlat puts it, no matter who ManU buys they'll probably lose from Milan. That's what i disagree on and these are my reasons for the disagreement !
Hasan Rossonero
06-07-2007, 11:44
Madrid's initial cost of Beckham (36m) was regained in shirt sales inside 1 or 2 weeks i believe.
Shame he turned us down :D Just imagine how much he, Ronaldinho, Ronaldo & Kaka would make us in shirt sales .... kerr-ching :p017:
I see someone's optimistic.
Hasan Rossonero
06-07-2007, 12:00
No, Hasan, you didn't understand what i was saying.
I'm saying no team is on top for more than 5-6 years.
After the golden generation of late 80's- mid 90's , Milan had a complete change of the team and it resulted with below average results. In the next 5/6 years Milan was really struggling both in Italy and in Europe. Then Carlo made another amazing team that made amazing results, mostly in Europe. This team has many players in their late 20's and 30's. In some 2 or 3 years many of them will leave Milan and it's always hard to replace 5 or 6 players from the starting XI that played together for so many years.
Juve had a golden generation from 1995-1999 and then the inevitable fall followed.
Manchester had a golden generation with young Becks, Giggs, Scholes, Neville, Cantona. SAF couldn't immediatly replace the departed players or the old ones and that explains their bad/ not great results in last years.
This previous season was a proof that things are going to better but they still lack few more players to become the force they once were.
Milan, with the same players more or less, has beaten them in 2005 and 2007, but by looking at things, ManU is finally becoming a team while Milan will lose many players from this team in next year or two and it will take few years a great team to be made again.
Like ManU was stronger than Milan in 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, and like they would have most probably beaten Milan if they played against eachother, Milan was stronger from 2003-2007.
In 2009 ManU will have a gelled team while Milan, most probably, will struggle to find the right combination.
The way Zlat puts it, no matter who ManU buys they'll probably lose from Milan. That's what i disagree on and these are my reasons for the disagreement !
And your reasons are good ones.
No team can expect to be at the top indefinitely, but to say that Milan will not make moves to at least TRY and safeguard the future is not accurate. I think Milan realizes that certain players are going to be past their prime, and I am sure they will take steps to TRY and rectify that situation.
rosoneri_11
06-07-2007, 12:02
No, Hasan, you didn't understand what i was saying.
I'm saying no team is on top for more than 5-6 years.
After the golden generation of late 80's- mid 90's , Milan had a complete change of the team and it resulted with below average results. In the next 5/6 years Milan was really struggling both in Italy and in Europe. Then Carlo made another amazing team that made amazing results, mostly in Europe. This team has many players in their late 20's and 30's. In some 2 or 3 years many of them will leave Milan and it's always hard to replace 5 or 6 players from the starting XI that played together for so many years.
Juve had a golden generation from 1995-1999 and then the inevitable fall followed.
Manchester had a golden generation with young Becks, Giggs, Scholes, Neville, Cantona. SAF couldn't immediatly replace the departed players or the old ones and that explains their bad/ not great results in last years.
This previous season was a proof that things are going to better but they still lack few more players to become the force they once were.
Milan, with the same players more or less, has beaten them in 2005 and 2007, but by looking at things, ManU is finally becoming a team while Milan will lose many players from this team in next year or two and it will take few years a great team to be made again.
Like ManU was stronger than Milan in 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, and like they would have most probably beaten Milan if they played against eachother, Milan was stronger from 2003-2007.
In 2009 ManU will have a gelled team while Milan, most probably, will struggle to find the right combination.
The way Zlat puts it, no matter who ManU buys they'll probably lose from Milan. That's what i disagree on and these are my reasons for the disagreement !
I agree with you Tony. Very good post.
zlatanov
06-07-2007, 12:07
Zlatanov, you're being arrogant just like the ManU fans were prior the ManU-Milan matches.
no Tony, I am not being arrogent like them because I am mostly joking and mocking them for their short-sightedness ... I am not claiming that Milan is the best team out there and all the rest are crap and must kneel down before our might BEFORE we have even played them ... BEFORE (keyword here as ManU disregarded Milan before the games even took place) ... now if a Milan fan is indeed arrogant arout the result, well at least there is a result to be arrogant about and as opposed to walking with a hot-air balloon in one hand and and cactus in the other :)
First of all, Manchester United won't play against Milan every year. Milan was beating ManU but it doesn't mean Milan had better team than them. ManU may even have better team than Milan but they can still lose. It's simple - this Milan doesn't suit them.
It shouldn't mean that ManU shouldn't buy good players just because Milan will beat them nevertheless.
By that logic, Milan shouldn't reinforce themselves because you'll be beaten by a Spanish team no matter who you buy.
I am not saying they shouldn't buy anyone ... but I am sure SAF could be a little more careful in picking his players that in contradicting himself on what was the reason they lost to Milan.
And not Tony, Milan was and is the better team than ManU because there is more to being a good team than making headlines with multi-million euros purchases or chest-beating yourself that you just won the best league in the world ( :stupid: ) hence you are the best team out there hence the 7-1 drubbling of Roma was only normal, hence Milan is ... well, a team they'll play in the final but the main question was who their opponent was going to be in the final.
Milan's secret is not in the players we have being super-quality as individuals, it's not about the quality of the players we would bring from other clubs but in the athmosphere inside the team, that chemistry you create by keeping a relatively unchanged core over the years ... i.e. the secret is in how the quality of the newcomers will change, how it will be affected once they become part of Milan's team ... and for that they don't need to be expensive headline makers to succeed in doing wonders for Milan on the field but must have the right attitude and personality above everything else ... because we had the same, techique-wise, Seedorf and Pirlo Inter once had, and the same Gattuso people were ridiculing as a player before he came to Milan.
That's why I feel pretty comfortable about the change in generations, which btw I can only link with cnahging Maldini, as other players have been coming and going already - look at Sheva for instance - and the team is going on winning because those things I mentioned above as the real reasons for Milan's success are staying put.
The secret is also in the team being tactically astute and able to change like a chamelion depending on the situation, something ManU will never have until SAF is in charge because a team is a mirror image of it's coach on the field and manU like SAF know only one way of playing football and Carlo knew that ... so, those wins over ManU were not an exception or because Milan is an uncomfortble team for ManU ... those wins were the result of Milan simply being the better team, the result of Milan simply having what it takes to be the better team in Europe (not necessarily the only team that has that but ManU is not one of those teams).
If I am being arrogant for calling manU one-dimensional, then I guess I am guilty because I said those exact same things before the SF games bwetween the two teams and after the 7-1 win over Roma when there was hardly a soul in this world that hadn't lost it's mind over ManU and saw Milan as the victim of another slaughter in the making.
It's curious, however, how once the games started the proceedings on the field followed a rather expected pattern ... for some of us at least ... so is this really arrogance or is it something else - like seeing the obvious, for instance.
Manchester has a smart transfer policy. SAF made a great team that won the EPL 8 times in 10 years ( from 1993-2003), that won the CL once and played 7 times in a row in CL 1/4's or more during the same period.
There was and still is a change of generations. During this change of generations Milan has beaten them twice ( and remember, Milan's generation had the best years from 2003-2007). When Milan had the change of generations, your team was playing in UEFA Cup, not making the semis of CL.
With the latest purchases i think SAF finally made the team he wanted to. A team that will rule England and be a strong favorite to win both in England and Europe at the same time ( something Milan wasn't able to do during your golden last 5 years).
Tony, Manu was a successful team only in the Premiership ... they were a powerhouse in that competition at least until Arsene's Arsenal and Abramovic's Chelski didn't come along, since then, things have been a bit dif over there too ... maybe before that, one reason for ManU's dominance in the EPL was actually a pretty simple explanation - lack of adequate rivalry :)
ManU was only the tabloid's favourite in the CL and hence the noise around them in that competition, in which they once managed, somehow, to actually win it and have been trying, andf I mean trying, to do it again since then but all they managed to get was one big OOPS and nothing more.
The stats say they have reached the 1/4 finals in 7 years in a row ... well, curiously enough, that's exactly where the really serious competition in the CL begins and that's where lots of hot-air balloons get poked ... because while ManU might be strong enough to survive a group with Juve or Bayern in it as the other strong team in that group (2 teams from each group go thru) but once that stage is over with, then all of a sudden it's only the best survives, all fo a sudden it takes something more than being able to give a football lesson to Rosenborg or Fenerbahce in order to make it thru to the next round.
As for the Milan side of the last 5 years not being able to dominate their Serie A as ManU did 7-8 years ago in the EPL, well, neither did ManU once 2-3 other strong teams appeared and the EPL was no longer the one-sided championship it once was ... and in Serie A's case one could think of one other reason why, maybe, Milan wasn't able to dominate Serie A the way they dominated Europe, a reason that shattered Italian football last summer but let's not go there :)
A change of generation in Milan is inevitable, somewhere in 2008-2010. If Milan plays ManU in 2010 i think you'll see that SAF's policy was actually right !
Or even if you don't play against them.... you'll see they'll make better results than Milan.
I think overall results of certain policies are best seen if you take a longer period to run the "test" over ... the last 20 years as a "test period" sounds long enough for me, so why don't we use it to determine which way of running things was more efficient - Milan's or ManU's - and since the two managements are equally likely to continue for some time in the future (it's not like ManU's management consists of 20-25 yo youngsters), I guess it's a safe bet to use results of recent history and form a set of expectations about what the near future might bring us.
EDIT: one more thing about SAF's "successful" transfer policies and "team-building techniques" - in the years when ManU really ruled the EPL, also years of lack of real competition for them, ManU's teams were build exclusively on home grown talents like Butt, Scholes, Beckham, Giggs i.e. players that had been at ManU for a long time and had the ManU DNA in them.
Now, this fresh and expensive talent is coming from elsewhere - no manU DNA anymore, it is costing a club already in debt (at least the Glazers are 700 mil and more in the hole) a lot of money and the expectations of it being successful are heavily based on one single "reason" - C. Ronaldo's success with ManU, whih may very well turn out to be a one-of-a-kind situation and not be followed by success for Anderson, Nani, Tevez or whoever else.
Hasan Rossonero
06-07-2007, 12:08
It's July and we haven't yet signed anyone.
I am not worried, however. I feel, day by day, that Ronaldinho will join Milan. It's a crazy feeling that I have, and it's not overly rational, but I just think it's going to happen.
Berlu, Galliani and co. seem to be "certain" that a forward will arrive. I think it's going to be Ronaldinho, and I have explained my reasons in a previous post.
Does anyone else feel this (apart from Jim_UK, but I don't know if he's being serious :D)?
Hasan Rossonero
06-07-2007, 12:12
@zlat
This is the point I was trying to touch on with my 2003 and 2007 comment. Over time, Milan have proved they know how to build a winning team. That doesn't mean they are going to be successful every year, but IT DOES MEAN that they'll have a better base than Man U. We can only look at certainty at recent results, and we can only speculate about the future.
And your reasons are good ones.
No team can expect to be at the top indefinitely, but to say that Milan will not make moves to at least TRY and safeguard the future is not accurate. I think Milan realizes that certain players are going to be past their prime, and I am sure they will take steps to TRY and rectify that situation.
Really haven't seen anything in last 2 seasons to make me disbelieve they think players will just keep going on and on, hence no proper additions to the team, bar desperate signings after the players were shattered from no proper pre-season during the Winter gone.
But if you think Borreillo, Bonera, Oliveira, Grimi to be good additions, then your right.
zlatanov
06-07-2007, 12:25
Really haven't seen anything in last 2 seasons to make me disbelieve they think players will just keep going on and on, hence no proper additions to the team, bar desperate signings after the players were shattered from no proper pre-season during the Winter gone.
But if you think Borreillo, Bonera, Oliveira, Grimi to be good additions, then your right.
the only failed transfer for Milan I can remember over the last 5 years have been RO, and there were some exceptional circumstances in that case.
Bonera has done very well with Milan when given the chance - better than most people expected from him - and can only get better at Milan over the next 1-2 years. And btw, we got him for 2.5 mil so it's not like Milan will be foreclosed if he fails to become Nesta's heir.
as for players like Grimi - I think it is about time for us to start descerning about Milan buying a player they intend to use as a starter or even keep in the team, and players we get for little money ... player's who will be loaned out and observed if they show something special, if not will be sold or used in deals for other players.
I would prefer Adriano than Sheva back.
Remember the duo of parma Gila-Adriano? It was unstopable.
Gila can also play great with Adriano.
Gila scored 17 goals at 2005 with sheva. Remember how does he scored those goals? Very crup goals.
Remember how does Gila scored his goals with Adriano together.There was very good goals.The most of them.
Let the money-trator at England we must find a new sheva, not the aged-sheva for 20 mil+.
Rossonerri 11, you are one of the persons here that has good statements. The one you have about Sheva isn't illogical but as far as
Tevez = Manutd
Torres = Liverpool
Drogba = He will probably stay in Chelsea
Adriano = Morratti will very difficult sell him to us
So which will be the striker to Buy?
Don't say to me Cassano, because i prefer me to play in offense of Milan with one leg instead of arrogant Casssano.
rosoneri_11
06-07-2007, 12:37
Rossonerri 11, you are one of the persons here that has good statements. The one you have about Sheva isn't illogical but as far as
Tevez = Manutd
Torres = Liverpool
Drogba = He will probably stay in Chelsea
Adriano = Morratti will very difficult sell him to us
So which will be the striker to Buy?
Don't say to me Cassano, because i prefer me to play in offense of Milan with one leg instead of arrogant Casssano.
First of all thanks mate! :5ok:
Well how about Huntelaar,Diego Millito,Quagliarela,Fred,Van Persie,Kerlon,Bianchi,Amauri.......at the moment i can't think someone else............. but i prefer all these from sheva.
As far as Zlat the point is not Manutd, Milan is a team that has the ability to pass opponents in CL even though it hasn't got best team a lot of times. It is the power of Milan's heavy T-Shirt. Remember the team we had with Ajax in the final with Kluivert for example.... Muntd (am a fan of them also for) doesn't have this characteristic. However this does not mean that we should not buy competitive players....
_MaJi_tz
06-07-2007, 12:47
Rossi shone in his spell at the Stadio Tardini with nine crucial goals in 19 outings and Ghirardi is hoping he may return on a permanent basis.
“Two days ago we spoke to the Manchester United directors and they told us that Rossi was for sale,” he revealed. “We made an offer and we’re waiting for a reply.
“Signing Rossi would be an excellent move that would be perfectly in keeping with the ethos of the club.”
It is believed that Rossi’s future may depend on whether or not the English champions complete the signing of West Ham’s Carlos Tevez.
from CH4
This boy is future of Italia attack.....mr.galliani bring this boy and pato and all is good
First of all thanks mate! :5ok:
Well how about Huntelaar,Diego Millito,Quagliarela,Fred,Van Persie,Kerlon,Bianchi,Amauri.......at the moment i can't think someone else............. but i prefer all these from sheva.
To say the truth Ross i would be pleased if we got Adriano, i see Quagliarela as a second choise striker (a one who will not be in charge at difficult moments), Milito is 28 and i think he will want to stay in Spanish Primera, Fred would be a great investment but he will need time to be competent in new environment and isn't sure that he will finally adust. Van Persie is a good player but not a Striker and i haven't got a clear opinion about the rest of them. :5ok:
Barca is out of Chivu race so it leaves Inter and Real to fight for him.
Barcelona will probably take Milito after Zarazgoza rejected Juve's last offer of 17m Euro (actually this isn't sure because Secco said a final offer will be given to Zaragoza today, but i still don't see Juve winning a bidding war with Barcelona).
How can this Milito guy be so expensive ? :rolleyes:
If Milito is really that good, then Barcelona is set at the back i guess :
Zambrotta-Puyol-Milito-Abidal , with Marquez and Thuram as substitutes.
Barca is out of Chivu race so it leaves Inter and Real to fight for him.
Barcelona will probably take Milito after Zarazgoza rejected Juve's last offer of 17m Euro (actually this isn't sure because Secco said a final offer will be given to Zaragoza today, but i still don't see Juve winning a bidding war with Barcelona).
How can this Milito guy be so expensive ? :rolleyes:
If Milito is really that good, then Barcelona is set at the back i guess :
Zambrotta-Puyol-Milito-Abidal , with Marquez and Thuram as substitutes.
This year Tony i saw more Primera and Premier than Serie A and belive me Milito is a solid defender. Of course with the many proposals for him his asking price increased.
rosoneri_11
06-07-2007, 13:54
First of all thanks mate! :5ok:
Well how about Huntelaar,Diego Millito,Quagliarela,Fred,Van Persie,Kerlon,Bianchi,Amauri.......at the moment i can't think someone else............. but i prefer all these from sheva.
To say the truth Ross i would be pleased if we got Adriano, i see Quagliarela as a second choise striker (a one who will not be in charge at difficult moments), Milito is 28 and i think he will want to stay in Spanish Primera, Fred would be a great investment but he will need time to be competent in new environment and isn't sure that he will finally adust. Van Persie is a good player but not a Striker and i haven't got a clear opinion about the rest of them. :5ok:
Oh yes i forgot Adriano. But it will be very difficult to sign him because their president is Moratti.
First of all, Manchester United won't play against Milan every year. Milan was beating ManU but it doesn't mean Milan had better team than them. ManU may even have better team than Milan but they can still lose. It's simple - this Milan doesn't suit them.
The one reason Milan beat ManU is simple. We simply played the better football with a more complete team than ManU.
By that logic, Milan shouldn't reinforce themselves because you'll be beaten by a Spanish team no matter who you buy.
hmmm, i only remember Milan commiting suicide against depor and a stupid ref cause us to lose against barca so why should milan lose to a spanish team is beyond me.
Manchester has a smart transfer policy. SAF made a great team that won the EPL 8 times in 10 years ( from 1993-2003), that won the CL once and played 7 times in a row in CL 1/4's or more during the same period.
There is simply only 1 decent team in EPL at tha time so what do you expect? Such a good team should have no problems winning UCL frequently and not only once after lady luck smile at them in that season.
As for Milan not dominating the Serie A, we all know Moggi and his phone......A decade ago, Serie A had 7 great teams competing for a title.
rosoneri_11
06-07-2007, 13:55
Barca is out of Chivu race so it leaves Inter and Real to fight for him.
Barcelona will probably take Milito after Zarazgoza rejected Juve's last offer of 17m Euro (actually this isn't sure because Secco said a final offer will be given to Zaragoza today, but i still don't see Juve winning a bidding war with Barcelona).
How can this Milito guy be so expensive ? :rolleyes:
If Milito is really that good, then Barcelona is set at the back i guess :
Zambrotta-Puyol-Milito-Abidal , with Marquez and Thuram as substitutes.
If that come true they will have the best defence and attack on the world!
As for Milan not dominating the Serie A, we all know Moggi and his phone......A decade ago, Serie A had 7 great teams competing for a title.
Zlat also mentioned it many times in last month and i tried not to reply. Looks like i will have to
Do you people know that Milan was doing THE SAME things Moggi did ?
Milan did the same through Meani.
Why wasn't Milan sent to serie B ?
Because of a phone call bill. How ironic !
Milan lawyers have shown Meani's phone bills that were payed by Meani himself, not by AC Milan and they've "proven" that the Milano restaurateur (Meani) was no club official but a peripheral figure with no authority, acting autonomously. They distanced themselves from Meani and said that Meani was doing the illegal work (constantly talking to referees, ref officials and chosing the match officials) on his own while noone in Milan was aware of that.
Now, you can convince me and yourselves that noone in Milan was aware that a certain Meani was doing them favours all the time, but i don't think you'll succeed in convincing us.
Milan was hardly a victim in Calciopoli. Milan were just smarter than Moggi because they let a non club official to do the dirty work.
http://www.juventuz.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1351409&postcount=434
Zlat also mentioned it many times in last month and i tried not to reply. Looks like i will have to
Do you people know that Milan was doing THE SAME things Moggi did ?
Milan did the same through Meani.
Why wasn't Milan sent to serie B ?
Because of a phone call bill. How ironic !
Milan lawyers have shown Meani's phone bills that were payed by Meani himself, not by AC Milan and they've "proven" that the Milano restaurateur (Meani) was no club official but a peripheral figure with no authority, acting autonomously. They distanced themselves from Meani and said that Meani was doing the illegal work (constantly talking to referees, ref officials and chosing the match officials) on his own while noone in Milan was aware of that.
Now, you can convince me and yourselves that noone in Milan was aware that a certain Meani was doing them favours all the time, but i don't think you'll succeed in convincing us.
Milan was hardly a victim in Calciopoli. Milan were just smarter than Moggi because they let a non club official to do the dirty work.
http://www.juventuz.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1351409&postcount=434
The great difference Tony is that Milan won 7 CL and reached a lot of finals while Juve did much poorer than us.....
Maldini+Nesta
06-07-2007, 14:13
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Oh yes i forgot Adriano. But it will be very difficult to sign him because their president is Moratti.
Don't bother with Adriano. He seems like a overrated and expensive
headcase of a striker. Milan has fantastic chemistry and you
don't want a cancer ruining that, do you??
hitmannq8
06-07-2007, 14:18
For a few days I've been feeling a Chivu steal, its just this funny feeling. Roma's been accepting offers from Barca, Real and Inter but Chivu's been rejecting all and delaying his decision as much as possible. Maybe he's waiting for us to butt in? If we are interested in a defender out there, who better than Chivu can we get, that is available?
Rumours of Dinho have died, no one seems to be saying anything about Dinho staying at Barca. Also the reported interview he had was not posted all over the websites so that was probably a lie.
Here's what I think our chances of signing the following players are:
Sheva 30%
Ronaldinho 25%
Cassano 20%
Pato 15%
Adriano 10%
Eto'o 0%
Drogba 0%
Stezagud
06-07-2007, 14:25
the little death that brings total obliteration... :cool:
kastriot
06-07-2007, 14:30
Rumours of Dinho have died, no one seems to be saying anything about Dinho staying at Barca. Also the reported interview he had was not posted all over the websites so that was probably a lie.
Thts what makes me think we will get him..We are known for that... We always try to work privately...
Hasan Rossonero
06-07-2007, 14:59
Real concede Kaka defeat
Friday 6 July, 2007
Real Madrid President Ramon Calderon has admitted that the Merengues cannot buy Milan’s Brazilian star Kaka.
Los Blancos had repeatedly insisted that the international was their main target, although the Rossoneri slammed all suggestions that the 25-year-old could leave the San Siro.
Vice-President Adriano Galliani had stated on Thursday that he wanted all their fans to know that the club would never sell Kaka, a promise also made by President Silvio Berlusconi.
“Kaka? I think a move is very unlikely,” Calderon admitted when talking to Euronews, according to Spanish newspaper AS.
“At this time there is no chance of seeing him here. Milan have said that they do not intend to sell him, therefore we cannot buy him,” added the Spanish chief.
“In any case, if Kaka ever lets us know that he wants to leave, we will be happy to make an offer. However, the Rossoneri don’t want to let him go and this makes things more difficult.”
Calderon also commented on Fabio Capello’s departure, as the Coach was fired despite having led Real Madrid to win their first Liga title in four years.
“We won the championship and we will always be grateful to Capello for his excellent job. However, we always want to do better and we needed a change, that is why we took this decision,” he concluded.
Nice to see they wont bother us over Kaka again.
Hasan Rossonero
06-07-2007, 15:20
The source for that story I just posted was channel 4.
The source for that story I just posted was channel 4.
Yeah, and in the original Calderon said that Capello was fired because of the fans. They wanted him out because of the ugly football Real played last season !
Lol, Mrki, you should have been a Real fan. At least the BOD would have listened to your "coach out of my team" related wishes :)
I see someone's optimistic.
No point being glum and down-beat about it all is there ... there are far more important things in life :p017:
For a few days I've been feeling a Chivu steal, its just this funny feeling. Roma's been accepting offers from Barca, Real and Inter but Chivu's been rejecting all and delaying his decision as much as possible. Maybe he's waiting for us to butt in? If we are interested in a defender out there, who better than Chivu can we get, that is available?
This would be sweet.. :grinser:
In my opinion he is the ideal Maldini "replacement".
Zlat also mentioned it many times in last month and i tried not to reply. Looks like i will have to
Do you people know that Milan was doing THE SAME things Moggi did ?
Milan did the same through Meani.
Why wasn't Milan sent to serie B ?
Because of a phone call bill. How ironic !
Milan lawyers have shown Meani's phone bills that were payed by Meani himself, not by AC Milan and they've "proven" that the Milano restaurateur (Meani) was no club official but a peripheral figure with no authority, acting autonomously. They distanced themselves from Meani and said that Meani was doing the illegal work (constantly talking to referees, ref officials and chosing the match officials) on his own while noone in Milan was aware of that.
Now, you can convince me and yourselves that noone in Milan was aware that a certain Meani was doing them favours all the time, but i don't think you'll succeed in convincing us.
Milan was hardly a victim in Calciopoli. Milan were just smarter than Moggi because they let a non club official to do the dirty work.
http://www.juventuz.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1351409&postcount=434
don't lose your credibility mate. you are a good poster, but now you are talking rubbish. this may be what you want to believe, but reality is different. no one in court would be that stupid.
Stitch, but this is the truth.
Why do you think Meani got such a big punishment ?
And why do you think Milan didn't get the same punishment as Meani did ? ( Juve was punished just like Moggi was)
Because the prosecutor didn't have proves that Meani was working for Milan.
The phone bills Milan lawyers presented were a proof that this man was working on his own.
This is something well known, it's nothing new. If i'm not wrong Galliani himself said many times that Milan has nothing to do with Meani, even on the official site.
But between us, do you really think Galliani had no idea what Meani was doing ?
Of course he knew. What I don't believe is that Meani did as much set-ups for Milan as Moggi did for Juve. You're basically saying that two of them are the same.
And even if your informations are correct, I can't believe that court officials would be so stupid to believe Galliani knew nothing.
Of course, I may be wrong, so you could back-up your claims with some articles?
Of course he knew. What I don't believe is that Meani did as much set-ups for Milan as Moggi did for Juve. You're basically saying that two of them are the same.
And even if your informations are correct, I can't believe that court officials would be so stupid to believe Galliani knew nothing.
Of course, I may be wrong, so you could back-up your claims with some articles?
Meani did the same thing Moggi was doing. It means they were doing the same illegal thing, not doing as many illegal things as Moggi did. I guess this is more clear :)
As for the judges ( Guido Rossi, ex-Inter ;) ) .....it doesn't count what they believe, but what was proven. The prosecutor had no proves that Meani took orders from Galliani or some other director. That's why they couldn't have punished Galliani and Milan with the same punishment they gave to Meani and Moggi.
While in Juve, Moggi himself was doing the illegal stuff. He was the main man in Juve's BOD so it doesn't matter if anyone else knew what he was doing. He was presenting the team like Galliani was presenting Milan and it automatically gets you serie B.
If some Pietro Ambrosiani, who wasn't a club official, was making the phone calls instead of Moggi, then Juve wouldn't have been relegated because Juve would have said on court that the Amrosiani guy was doing that on his own hand and the court wouldn't have had proves that he took the orders from Moggi or some other Juve official.
Hasan Rossonero
06-07-2007, 15:58
Breaking news according to some of my friends in Spain: Andrade is a Juve player.
Breaking news according to some of my friends in Spain: Andrade is a Juve player.
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Hasan Rossonero
06-07-2007, 16:00
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Well the clubs have agreed on a fee. Andrade is good man!
Well the clubs have agreed on a fee. Andrade is good man!
The second DC will be Barzagli. Can you imagine an Andrade-Barzagli partnership?
Juve will get raped next year :notlist:
kastriot
06-07-2007, 16:06
The second DC will be Barzagli. Can you imagine an Andrade-Barzagli partnership?
Juve will get raped next year :notlist:
Andrade is really reliable player...So is Barzgli...I`m felling bad we didnt get one of them :stupid:
King tiger
06-07-2007, 16:06
lol i remember a hilarious Andrades own goal in Euro 2004.
the_eels
06-07-2007, 16:07
Really haven't seen anything in last 2 seasons to make me disbelieve they think players will just keep going on and on, hence no proper additions to the team, bar desperate signings after the players were shattered from no proper pre-season during the Winter gone.
But if you think Borreillo, Bonera, Oliveira, Grimi to be good additions, then your right.
I am sorry but I have to jump in now on this.
Let us not forget that all teams make their share of mistake in signings. In the same vien, Man Utd would not have been proud of Veron, Djemba Djemba, Kleberson, Massimo Taibi, Diego Forlan etc. SAF is not immune to errors just like everyone else.
It would be unwise to claim that Man Utd has been impressive transfer strategy and will outperform Milan by 2011. History has shown that teams can detriorate or underperform within a season. To me, a prediction like that would be leaning out the window for speculative odds.
So riddle me this: How would Ferguson keep Nani, Ronaldo, Giggs, Carrick, Scholes, Hargreaves and Anderson constantly playing? Not to mention Park Ji-Sung, Fletcher, Richardson and Tevez if he comes. You only have 4 or 5 midfield slots and 90 minutes per game.
Logic dictates that Man Utd will lose several of these players in next few years. Half of them cost United Euro 15m+ which at this point of time are unproven at the highest level.
So, what the desired masterpiece look like in the end?
Milan on the other hand has shown that they have created the club atmosphere together which allows players to perform. What is also often missed is the respect and unconditional trust which Milan provides for their current players. The re-newal of contracts of Gilardino and Dida at their trying moments speaks volumes of this. And the revitalization of Seedorf, Pirlo and Ronaldo point to Milan's strength in this matter.
With that, I submit that Milan will be the team which will thrive for many seasons to come. I do not kid myself that there will come seasons without trophies, but the long periods of sucesses will make a pleasing mockery of the short term actions.
Forza Milan.
I understand what you're saying.
Now, sources, sources... :)
I understand what you're saying.
Now, sources, sources... :)
You have to be kidding me ?
There are more than 2800 posts with every possible source in " Mogipoli" topic here :
http://www.milanmania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20441&page=1
I have absolutly no intention looking for the sources there. You are right i'm wrong, but don't make me go through all these posts :)
lol i remember a hilarious Andrades own goal in Euro 2004.
I remember a hilarious 4:0 Deportivo win and Andrade playing on that match :grinser:
Hasan Rossonero
06-07-2007, 16:19
Andrade story: http://www.canaldeportivo.com/
This is suppose to be the official site for Depor.
Andrade story: http://www.canaldeportivo.com/
This is suppose to be the official site for Depor.
Hasan, seriously, how do you manage to find all this info man ?
I'm on the net 24 hours per day in last 3 days and i can't find 1/4 of the info you have
:5ok:
King tiger
06-07-2007, 16:24
I remember a hilarious 4:0 Deportivo win and Andrade playing on that match :grinser:
i have absolutely no idea what are you talking about :zany:
Hasan Rossonero
06-07-2007, 16:29
Hasan, seriously, how do you manage to find all this info man ?
I'm on the net 24 hours per day in last 3 days and i can't find 1/4 of the info you have
:5ok:
:D
I spend quite a bit of time in front of the computer during the day. I work as a software developer.
Also, I am a member of another forum which has a fairly cosmopolitan crew.
Stezagud
06-07-2007, 16:51
So riddle me this: How would Ferguson keep Nani, Ronaldo, Giggs, Carrick, Scholes, Hargreaves and Anderson constantly playing? Not to mention Park Ji-Sung, Fletcher, Richardson and Tevez if he comes. You only have 4 or 5 midfield slots and 90 minutes per game.
Logic dictates that Man Utd will lose several of these players in next few years. Half of them cost United Euro 15m+ which at this point of time are unproven at the highest level.
So, what the desired masterpiece look like in the end?
Richardson is being sold as soon as someone makes a decent bid. Giggs and Scholes are both still class players but are now 32-33 and will be gradually phased out, Nani and Anderson are potentially top class players but are still kids and will be phased in.
The desired masterpiece is therefore a highly fluid attacking unit of interchangeable players, with a relatively seamless transition from the remaining 90's legends to the new crop. In theory. :cool:
Its a fair point that Fergie doesnt always get it right but his record is as good as anyones, in 20 years he's bound to make a few mistakes. This side is emerging after a few years of transition. Tony actually made the point a few pages ago (totally correct once again) that this Utd side has really been in transition for a few years, before this years league we last won 5 years ago and that was the last hurrah of the 99 side. The new side is emerging now and should hopefully be ready by 2008.
You have to be kidding me ?
There are more than 2800 posts with every possible source in " Mogipoli" topic here :
http://www.milanmania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20441&page=1
I have absolutly no intention looking for the sources there. You are right i'm wrong, but don't make me go through all these posts :)
Well, since this thread (along with the MM Member pictures, and Paolo Inzaghi of course :grinser: ) is the only one I follow on MM, I have no idea what you're talking about :D
My knowledge on Moggipoli is based on Ch4 and goal.com ... and I don't remember seeing the story about phone bills there :sleepy:
But thank you, since I'm right and you're wrong :zany: :zany:
Andrade to Juve....excellent.... :) Great news for us Milan fans as Andrade is not even close to Milito or Cannavaro...
08.07.2007. 2:33 AM! I am the ONLY ONE logged in person on Milanmania!!!! WOHOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Andrade to Juve....excellent.... :) Great news for us Milan fans as Andrade is not even close to Milito or Cannavaro...
Not to mention he's injury prone
aguess not for long.... :)
aguess not for long.... :)
You know what's even better news for you Milan fans ?
Andrade's partner in defence will most probably be the most overrated Italian defender after Legrottagllie ( who's also in Juve, lets not forget) Barzagli :d55:
Mr. Overrated + Mr. Glass Knee
Poor Buffon :devf:
zlatanov
06-07-2007, 21:03
I don't think Andrade is good news for Milan as I don't see him any worse of a CD than Milito would have been, only a little older but not too old ... he would come at half the price though.
He did have a serious injury the season before but still he is a quality CD and if there are any problems with his fitness, I doubt Juve would go ahead with the deal anyway, so if they sign him, one would think he's already sorted it out.
Should he stay healthy, Juve've got themselves an excellent CD at a good price, I think... After all, there aren't many CDs available out there who are as good let alone better than Andrade, so that should be taken into account too.
btw, is there anything concrete on Barzagli to Juve or is it mostly the fact that Miccoli went the other way that you guys think Barzagli is on his way to Torino?
Ad he isn't a bad defender you know, not as good as he is hyped, IMo, but not bad either and would form a good partnership with Andrade, which for now would suit Juve's needs ... should the team manage to make it into CL, then other options may very well be considered but for now those two would be more than a good choice, I think.
Hasan Rossonero
06-07-2007, 21:03
You know what's even better news for you Milan fans ?
Andrade's partner in defence will most probably be the most overrated Italian defender after Legrottagllie ( who's also in Juve, lets not forget) Barzagli :d55:
Mr. Overrated + Mr. Glass Knee
Poor Buffon :devf:
Andrade has recovered from his injury very well. I really think this is a great purchase for you guys, and La Liga viewers agree.
I rate Andrade high as a defender. I don't remember someone neutralazing Sheva as he did. I also remember him having some great matches against Juventus attack.
He's Portugal's captain and is experienced enough.
What i don't like about this transfer is his knee injury. He had the same injury in 2002/03 and missed half of the season. Then he injured the same knee again this year and missed a big part of the season.
He's yet to have a medical in Turin and then we'll know for sure if Juve will buy him or not.
He may be ok now but still he's a risk with his chronic knee problems and Juve can't allow now to have the main defender out.
btw, is there anything concrete on Barzagli to Juve or is it mostly the fact that Miccoli went the other way that you guys think Barzagli is on his way to Torino?
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=23&a=47999
Juve did ask for Barzagli and Palermo's official confirmed it. I guess after Miccolli's transfer Juve may get him eventhough the same Palermo official says Palermo will try to keep him.
Hasan Rossonero
06-07-2007, 21:40
Today's Gazzetta suggests that Milan are at a crossroads: should they bring back Sheva or buy Pato (they are both non-EU, hence the dilemma).
Gazzetta claims that we have offered 25 million euros and even to move Pato's entire family to Italy. Pato would be offered a 1.5 million euro contract to start. The pink paper claims we are ahead of everyone to sign him.
Gazzetta also claims that we are willing to offer 25 million euros for Sheva as well, but he would have to lower his salary demands from 7 mill (what he is paid at Chelsea) to 5.5 million euros.
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I'd say bring Pato in instead of Sheva. :)
Losernazionale related news :
Grosso will have his medical in Lyon tomorrow. Inter is selling him for 5m euro ( kinda cheap for a world champion, but the bad season in Inter didn't help raising his price)
Yeah, I've got a funny feeling about Ronaldinho as well---I guess along the same lines as Hasan. It is all very strange. The whole of last season was all about Ronaldinho this and Ronaldinho that, his agent spotted in Milan, blah blah----and Berlu even invited his brother/agent as a guest at the CL final in Athens...
Now, we are in the middle of the transfer season, and NOTHING. No news whatsoever. Barca signed Henry. I just cannot see them having Messi, Henry, Etoo, Ronaldinho playing in the same squad. Those are four massive egos---who's Rijkaard going to bench? If I were Barca, selling R10 would be the best possible option. For one, they will get a huge fee for him as he's still in his mid to late 20's, secondly, they have a ready made replacement for him, Leo Messi. I think a starting formation of Messi playing behind Etoo and Henry would not only scare the crap out of most opponents, but may also push R10 out of the team..
So in other words, I sure hope we have done some sort of deal....but then again, if the last two summers were anything to go by, you can never be too sure..
The problem isn't that when the transfer market will close but the fact that the other teams make movements. I mean a few years ago we got Nesta the last days but no team made important transfers. In contrast now everybody buy, they will not any good players avalaible in the tranfer market. You know Juve got also Andrande a very good defender.
humanTORCH
07-07-2007, 05:15
I think it's better to have sheva back and buy pato but let him stay in brazil for a season or two.
wait...should we have the traitor back.....hmmm...we won the CL without him.....let me think and decide:nervous:
Today's Gazzetta suggests that Milan are at a crossroads: should they bring back Sheva or buy Pato (they are both non-EU, hence the dilemma).
Gazzetta claims that we have offered 25 million euros and even to move Pato's entire family to Italy. Pato would be offered a 1.5 million euro contract to start. The pink paper claims we are ahead of everyone to sign him.
Gazzetta also claims that we are willing to offer 25 million euros for Sheva as well, but he would have to lower his salary demands from 7 mill (what he is paid at Chelsea) to 5.5 million euros.
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I'd say bring Pato in instead of Sheva. :)
Channel 4 say it's £14 million for Pato or £25 million for Shevchenko and to me that makes the decision really easy, Pato everytime.
Why should we pay so much to bring him back? He walked out on us and there's no guarantee whatsoever that he's going to be anything like what he was before he left. He is the past, lets for goodness sake move on with it all.
£14 million is a huge amount for Pato, there's no denying it, but at least then we'd have money left over to buy other people.
25 million euro or 35 million euro for Shevchenko is way too much. Thereby Milan can get a talented striker, who could become one of the best strikers in the world for less money then for Shevchenko. This choice should be an easy one. But it looks like Berlusconi likes Shevchenko too much.
And if Milan get Pato They shouldn't loan him out or let him play in Brazil for a couple of years. Milan should use him directly. Because I thrust in Ronaldo and Gilardino as first choice strikers and then we should have great subs with Pato and Inzaghi.
rosoneri_11
07-07-2007, 05:52
Channel 4 say it's £14 million for Pato or £25 million for Shevchenko and to me that makes the decision really easy, Pato everytime.
Why should we pay so much to bring him back? He walked out on us and there's no guarantee whatsoever that he's going to be anything like what he was before he left. He is the past, lets for goodness sake move on with it all.
£14 million is a huge amount for Pato, there's no denying it, but at least then we'd have money left over to buy other people.
And we will have a player with future, he would for play for us for years not for 1 or 2 years.
25 million euro or 35 million euro for Shevchenko is way too much. Thereby Milan can get a talented striker, who could become one of the best strikers in the world for less money then for Shevchenko. This choice should be an easy one. But it looks like Berlusconi likes Shevchenko too much.
And if Milan get Pato They shouldn't loan him out or let him play in Brazil for a couple of years. Milan should use him directly. Because I thrust in Ronaldo and Gilardino as first choice strikers and then we should have great subs with Pato and Inzaghi.
i don't agree we can buy both, loan Pato to a team for a year and then get him back. A good way to take Sheva would be to take him on loan from Chelsea and to have to pay his 80% of his wage. :5ok:
Can someone tell me which are the non-eu players in our squad? :5ok:
Today's Gazzetta suggests that Milan are at a crossroads: should they bring back Sheva or buy Pato (they are both non-EU, hence the dilemma).
Gazzetta claims that we have offered 25 million euros and even to move Pato's entire family to Italy. Pato would be offered a 1.5 million euro contract to start. The pink paper claims we are ahead of everyone to sign him.
Gazzetta also claims that we are willing to offer 25 million euros for Sheva as well, but he would have to lower his salary demands from 7 mill (what he is paid at Chelsea) to 5.5 million euros.
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I'd say bring Pato in instead of Sheva. :)
It's really a dilemma. Both of them are really suitable for Milan from tactical point of view. Sheva could partner with Ronaldo (which makes dream comes true for Berlusconi) or Gila in a two-striker formation while Pato could accompany Kaka behind a striker, partner with Ronaldo or Gila or be used as Kaka's understudy.
The advantages of signing Pato are his a lot-younger age, much lower price and could be placed in more positions than Sheva BUT Sheva is a ready material, already world class striker who can make a diffrence in a match. Pato, no matter how brilliant he is, needs time to settle with Milan.
Seeing that we have already a decesive, world class striker on Ronaldo who can also make a good partnership with Gila and the effect of Sheva's comeback in the dressing room, I would prefer signing Pato. (But still I can't imagine, how Sheva could come back to Milan).
Taking Sheva Back is not a wise decision at all !!
Why should we bring back home the one who left us with no heart at all last year...and yet we have won CL. Sheva got a very bad year lasyt year and so he's no more a sharp goal getter anymore like when he's with Milan for 7 seasons. I don't see the necessity to bring a "dull striker" for so much money while we can get a "cheaper" and longer lasting striker in Pato. Sheva would cost $35 milion and Pato "only" $20 million but will last longer as a relatively better striker (cause he's much younger and could "learn" more like Kaka did)
So...don't waste more time...Galliani..tell Berlusconi to forget Sheva and write the check to pay Pato..(this is what I really wish him to do)
Maybe..next year when Sheva got another bad year at Chelsea his price would only $ 10 million...and that's about time to buy him back....
atreides602
07-07-2007, 06:37
And we will have a player with future, he would for play for us for years not for 1 or 2 years.
I already vision pictures of him in AS, with an AS edition on his hands where it sais : " PATO and MILAN CAMPIONI DI EUROPA " :w221:
A lot of people think Sheva has had a bad year because it lasted too long and next year he will be on fire for Chelsea lol.
A good way to take Sheva would be to take him on loan from Chelsea and to have to pay his 80% of his wage. :5ok:
Chelsea have already turned that option down, they won't agree to that.
Sheva could partner with Ronaldo (which makes dream comes true for Berlusconi) ...
This point hits the nail on the head! It's a Berlusconi dream and not for the good of the club. It makes no sense economically or in terms of longevity. In the end it will all end up with how selfish Berlusconi wants to be and wether in this instance he puts himself before the club.
Like i've said before, for around the same price we'd have to pay for Shevchenko to return we could definately secure Pato & Cassano or possibly even Pato & Huntelaar.
@Jim : But Jim, still he is our President. :)
@Jim : But Jim, still he is our President. :)
Yes, but he's not there for his in depth football knowledge is he. If he was he'd be sitting on the bench doing Ancelotti's job.
Berlusconi wants Shevchenko back for personal reasons and not for the good of the club.
Graeme C
07-07-2007, 07:35
chelsea want £25 mill for shevchenko, even if he was the highest scorer in EPL last season, him being over 30 should have made a bigger difference than just a drop in £5mill.
For £25 mil we could get pato, cassano (might be free) and zambrotta.
Rumours today are that Barca want Kaladze. Makes me wonder, if we lost Kaladze we could have another free EU spot...
chelsea want £25 mill for shevchenko, even if he was the highest scorer in EPL last season, him being over 30 should have made a bigger difference than just a drop in £5mill.
For £25 mil we could get pato, cassano (might be free) and zambrotta.
Rumours today are that Barca want Kaladze. Makes me wonder, if we lost Kaladze we could have another free EU spot...
With the money we can get Pato and his family here.
Cassano will come for free or just for a minor sum.
Zambrotta will probably not leave Barca, unless, what you say is true and they want Kaladze, we could swap. What's your source on this Kaladze news?
But then again, I like Kaladze. :mad:
If he leaves it would open up a free EU spot indeed and we could buy someone like Zapata to replace him. :grinser:
Hmm, starting to like this idea all of a sudden. :)
Graeme C
07-07-2007, 07:45
the source is tuttomercatoweb, not the most reliable of sources.
Milan: il Barça su Kaladze se non chiude Milito?
07.07.2007 12.20 di Francesco Letizia articolo letto 2365 volte
Qualora non chiudesse la trattativa per Gabi Milito, il Barcellona potrebbe andare su Kakhaber Kaladze: lo scrive oggi Marca, documentando che la distanza tra Saragoza e Barça per il centrale argentino è ancora di 2 milioni ed il georgiano piace molto alla dirigenza blaugrana.
Hasan Rossonero
07-07-2007, 08:04
Channel 4 say it's £14 million for Pato or £25 million for Shevchenko and to me that makes the decision really easy, Pato everytime.
Why should we pay so much to bring him back? He walked out on us and there's no guarantee whatsoever that he's going to be anything like what he was before he left. He is the past, lets for goodness sake move on with it all.
£14 million is a huge amount for Pato, there's no denying it, but at least then we'd have money left over to buy other people.
Quite right Jim. The newspaper says 20 million euros for Pato and 25 million euros for Sheva.
_MaJi_tz
07-07-2007, 08:09
http://www.calciomercato.it/dettaglioNewsCategoria.asp?hdnIdCategoria=2&hdnId=9866
Can anyone trnaslt this I try babel but poor....
it is something about Pato and Inter
And one thing is Vogel on loan to Betis or...??
Can we bring him back?
Quite right Jim. The newspaper says 20 million euros for Pato and 25 million euros for Sheva.
What is actually the release clause of Pato? Is it 10 mil pound? From my rough calculation, 20 mil euro is about 13 mil pound.
If Barcelona don't get Milito then , according to Marca, they will try to get Kaladze. There's still a difference between what Zaragoza wants and what Barcelona is offering ( the difference is 2m euro, just like it was with Juve's offer for the same player). Barcelona's directors really like Kaladze and if the negotiations for the Argentinian fail, then they will go for the Georgian.
That's the translation of the tuttomercato article. They took it from "Marca" !
Why the hell should we sell Kaladze who is a great player and actually our STARTING CD alongside Nesta to Barca, to make them stronger ? Then we'll stay without CD's... this will not and cant happen. If we want extra non EU place sell Cafu or Serginho!
And I agree, it would be better to bring Pato and Cassano than Pato and Sheva. And also, loaning Pato doesnt come as an option as Im sure the boy wants to be in real club like Milan,Chelsea,Madrid, and not to spend 2 seasons at Lecce. Also, training at Milanello with Ronaldo,Kaka',Inzaghi helps young players, and would do him good even if he doesnt play much games from the start of his arrival.
http://www.calciomercato.it/dettaglioNewsCategoria.asp?hdnIdCategoria=2&hdnId=9866
Can anyone trnaslt this I try babel but poor....
it is something about Pato and Inter
And one thing is Vogel on loan to Betis or...??
Can we bring him back?
It says that Inter has beaten the rivals and they'll sign Pato who will join them in January 2008.
I doubt it's reliable. It's comming from Radiomercato (?)
I can't find anything about Vogel there
Hasan Rossonero
07-07-2007, 08:31
Today's AS claims that Kaka will ask for a clause in his new contract that says if a huge offer comes in from Real, he can leave. :dielaugh: :dielaugh:
This is getting very funny now, and super desperate!! :dielaugh: :dielaugh:
I mean they must really think Milan are absolute mugs and will consent to this, and Kaka and his agent will wake up and read AS and say "oh yeah, we forgot about that, let's see if we can get that inserted."
There can be a release clause, though. But it will probably be something around 150m Euro, and Real certanly won't be mentioned there :)
"THERE WILL NOT BE A RELEASE CLAUSE." end of transmission form Berlusconi's office. :)
Hasan Rossonero
07-07-2007, 08:38
There can be a release clause, though. But it will probably be something around 150m Euro, and Real certanly won't be mentioned there :)
Absolutely there can be a release clause (I just can't see Milan do that). But to say that it will specifically be Real :dielaugh: :dielaugh:.
I doubt there will be a release clause either (God willing there won't). Reportedly, Kaka's new contract will see him earn 9 million euros a year (salary+image rights).
I just can't see Milan weaken their position with regards to a player whom they have every intention of making a symbol (or even captain according to some reports ) of the club.
_MaJi_tz
07-07-2007, 08:42
http://www.calciomercato.it/dettaglioNewsCategoria.asp?hdnIdCategoria=2&hdnId=9874
This is something about meeting Berlu and Galliani....
They will talk abaut ronaldinho etto sheva and pato
Hasan Rossonero
07-07-2007, 08:45
http://www.calciomercato.it/dettaglioNewsCategoria.asp?hdnIdCategoria=2&hdnId=9866
Can anyone trnaslt this I try babel but poor....
it is something about Pato and Inter
And one thing is Vogel on loan to Betis or...??
Can we bring him back?
It says Inter may be close to buying Pato. However, he may only wear their jersey in Jan 2008.
Absolutely there can be a release clause (I just can't see Milan do that). But to say that it will specifically be Real :dielaugh: :dielaugh:.
I doubt there will be a release clause either (God willing there won't). Reportedly, Kaka's new contract will see him earn 9 million euros a year (salary+image rights).
I just can't see Milan weaken their position with regards to a player whom they have every intention of making a symbol (or even captain according to some reports ) of the club.
Fine, fine :)
But there certanly will be a release clause ( in case of relegation , in case of .... )
After Calciopoli every star in Italian football will have such a clause
Edit : Typical Inter. They have 20 great/very good players and they are still buying and buying and buying.
Now they're after some Tyson guy from River Plate
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jul7g.html
Hasan Rossonero
07-07-2007, 09:05
Fine, fine :)
But there certanly will be a release clause ( in case of relegation , in case of .... )
After Calciopoli every star in Italian football will have such a clause
Edit : Typical Inter. They have 20 great/very good players and they are still buying and buying and buying.
Now they're after some Tyson guy from River Plate
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jul7g.html
I like your three dots in the second in case of ... . I know only in Italy eh. In case of a total collapse of Calcio because of match-fixing please let me go. :D
I think Inter have only one credo: to have absolutely no Italians in their team. Soon Moratti will take Argentinean citizenship.
zlatanov
07-07-2007, 09:07
Absolutely there can be a release clause (I just can't see Milan do that). But to say that it will specifically be Real :dielaugh: :dielaugh:.
I doubt there will be a release clause either (God willing there won't). Reportedly, Kaka's new contract will see him earn 9 million euros a year (salary+image rights).
I just can't see Milan weaken their position with regards to a player whom they have every intention of making a symbol (or even captain according to some reports ) of the club.
I am not sure but I don't think FIGC rules allow for release clauses to be part of a player's contract with Italian clubs ... they are a fixture in Spain (not sure if mandatory or not) and seem to be common in some other countries but not Italy.
It's possible that including a release clause is simply not a common practice among Italian clubs, while they could still use it if they'd like to ... but I think it's actually the FIGC rules that don't allow for release clauses in italy.
Also, why would Milan renew Kaka's contract at all if that new deal will have a release clause in it, which will make it easier for the player to leave should he decide to, as opposed to the current deal without such a clause?
And the duration of the new contract (2012) isn't much bigger than that of the current one (till 2011) ... so it hardly makes sense for Milan to make an extension with a release clause in it.
But then again it's ASS relaying the rumour so there is no sense to look for sense in it :rolleyes: :grinser:
Hasan Rossonero
07-07-2007, 09:11
@zlat
Even some Real fans on another forum are laughing at this new report.
zlatanov
07-07-2007, 09:13
I am not sure but I don't think FIGC rules allow for release clauses to be part of a player's contract with Italian clubs ... they are a fixture in Spain (not sure if mandatory or not) and seem to be common in some other countries but not Italy.
It's possible that including a release clause is simply not a common practice among Italian clubs, while they could still use it if they'd like to ... but I think it's actually the FIGC rules that don't allow for release clauses in italy.
actually I just remembered that Cagliari had a release clause, reportedly, for Suazo, so it's probably not against the rules.
zlatanov
07-07-2007, 09:17
I like your three dots in the second in case of ... . I know only in Italy eh. In case of a total collapse of Calcio because of match-fixing please let me go. :D
I think Inter have only one credo: to have absolutely no Italians in their team. Soon Moratti will take Argentinean citizenship.
http://www.tgcom.mediaset.it/sport/articoli/articolo369650.shtml
the above article says that Inter would need to have at least 7 "local" players on their team in order to comply with FIGC rules for the new season .... by "local" players they understand either players who have come thru Inter's youth system or player's coming thru the youth systems of other Italian clubs ...
so, with 4 Italians in the current first team as the article says, two of whom seem on their way out (Toldo and Andreoli), Interl will have some non-Argentinian buying to do, for a change :D
Haven't Inter secured Tyson Rivas? I thought they had.
http://www.tgcom.mediaset.it/sport/articoli/articolo369650.shtml
the above article says that Inter would need to have at least 7 "local" players on their team in order to comply with FIGC rules for the new season .... by "local" players they understand either players who have come thru Inter's youth system or player's coming thru the youth systems of other Italian clubs ...
so, with 4 Italians in the current first team as the article says, two of whom seem on their way out (Toldo and Andreoli), Interl will have some non-Argentinian buying to do, for a change :D
Is it new rules, Zlat? Inter can also add players from Primavera to their team right? I mean, the squad now plus 5 primavera which could make 25-30 players in their team.
Haven't Inter secured Tyson Rivas? I thought they had.
Nelson Enrique Rivas López should land in Milan on Monday to undergo his medical – even if there may be a delay in grabbing his signature.
nter are in fact firstly waiting to get a response from Juan Veron after they offered the midfielder the chance of a sensational return.
As Inter can only register one more non-EU player, Rivas would immediately be loaned out by the Nerazzurri to accommodate for the Argentine’s possible return.
Not yet, but almost done
zlatanov
07-07-2007, 09:39
Is it new rules, Zlat? Inter can also add players from Primavera to their team right? I mean, the squad now plus 5 primavera which could make 25-30 players in their team.
I don't know if the rules are new or if what the articel says is true at all ... I am just relaying what tgcom said - that with 26 players on their team, 7 of them would have to be "local" players (in most cases that would mean Italians) ... whether primavera or other, experienced Italian players (like Materazzi) doesn't matter.
I have tried before to find such rules on the FIGC page but it turned out to be utterly useless
zlatanov
07-07-2007, 09:51
Ok Zlat, thanks.
no problem.
something on RO:
http://www.calciomercato.it/dettaglioNewsCategoria.asp?hdnIdCategoria=2&hdnId=9877
says that on Monday he would officially become a Zaragoza player with Milan getting 2 mil for a year-loan deal with the buy-out option set at 10 mil. euros
Maybe WE will be the ones getting Milito ( the defender ) :)
2 million huh? We could have bought Barusso for that! :groan:
Maybe it can go towards Pato's price tag :D
zlatanov
07-07-2007, 10:30
let me throw in my 2 cents of controversy - with RO gone, Milan are now constrained to find a replacement ... or maybe that replacement has already been found and secured?
Ronaldinho, first time?! Dinho, second time?! Dinho, third time?! ... Sold to the gentleman who could use a toupe. :D
Jumping from Suazo to Dinho is pushing it. Suazo was ment to be the 4th attacker.
So, little maths, some history, adding some logic..hmmmm
Cassano first time ? second time ? third time ? SOLD to the bold guy who wants to get everything for peanuts
:D
kastriot
07-07-2007, 10:37
let me throw in my 2 cents of controversy - with RO gone, Milan are now constrained to find a replacement ... or maybe that replacement has already been found and secured?
Ronaldinho, first time?! Dinho, second time?! Dinho, third time?! ... Sold to the gentleman who could use a toupe.
YUP with RO gone we have to get a replacement, my money goes to PATO...if he`s not a Chelsea player already,
But it will be really nice, if we could get DInho + Cassano... so we have more options on the offense......and MILITO....WOW it sounds great...sadly its only my fantasy :grinser:
no problem.
something on RO:
http://www.calciomercato.it/dettaglioNewsCategoria.asp?hdnIdCategoria=2&hdnId=9877
says that on Monday he would officially become a Zaragoza player with Milan getting 2 mil for a year-loan deal with the buy-out option set at 10 mil. euros
the buy-option means that milan must accept a 10-mil euros offer from Zaragoza? I wonder if the buy-option is the same thing with release clause that the club must accept a certain price of an offer.
I think that's what it means.
It was the same case with Bojinov and Juve/Fiorentina.
Juve had a buy-out option on Bojinov ( around 7m i think) and if Juve was willing to pay this money to Fiorentina then they would have had to accept that offer.
I think it's the same case with RO
Hasan Rossonero
07-07-2007, 12:38
I don't think Suazo was supposed to be our only striker purchase.
GilAttack [11]
07-07-2007, 13:11
Haven't Inter secured Tyson Rivas? I thought they had.
Great signing.....for us. :devf:
Remember: There's no such thing as "extra non-EU place" in Italy. You can have one new non-EU player signed from a non-italian league per season. Period.
It means that the squad may consist of 15 non-EU players, or none, as long as they get one non-EU player signed from a non-italian league per season. Gaining EU citizenship before the transfer to an italian club is important. Gaining it while in an italian club is insignificant for the club's transfer politics.
In Spain, Primera clubs can have only three non-EU players registered at the same time. For them, gaining citizenship is very important, because every time a player in their squad gains a spanish citizenship, the club may bring in another non-EU player. South Americans in Spain gain their citizenship in two years. For players from other non-EU countries, the period is longer (I think 4 or 5 years, but I'm not 100% sure about that).
Are we clear now? :D
Warro Bantan
07-07-2007, 13:38
Dru, let me remind you of the following rules for Silly season:
http://www.milanmania.com/forums/showthread.php?p=440269&highlight=Silly+Season+Rules#post440269
Ok, that sorted out, I think Hasan (was it?) thought Ronaldinho would be coming, and wanted to know who else shared that opinion?
Well, I do. I think it will be between Pato, Ronaldinho, Sheva (unfortunately IMO) in the striker/attacking player dept, while as for other players in other positions...I am not so sure, and not that interested to be honest.
I do think that the move for a midfielder is more dependent on where in the middle Gourcuff is anticipated to play, or rather, where Carlo sees Gourcuff playing.
In defense, Billy´s retirement has opened up a spot, but this is where we could bring in a primavera player, or a young italian, and again, of whom I am not sure.
So my thoughts are: An attacking player, and a defender, the least likely, a midfield specific player.
ForeverMilan
07-07-2007, 14:13
i expect us to sign one of Cassano/Shevchenkı/Pato,plus someone like Canini in difense
GilAttack [11]
07-07-2007, 14:54
Looks like Nelson Rivas is moving to Bologna.
For example we couldn't buy Andrade? He could play next to Nesta.
Oliveira set for Zaragoza
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jul7l.html
Milan flop Ricardo Oliveira will reportedly leave the 2007 Champions League winners on Monday to join Real Zaragoza.
Stories in Spain this afternoon are suggesting that the striker will move back to La Liga on a loan agreement.
The Rossoneri will net £1.4m as part of the deal which will also see Zaragoza handed the option to sign the player permanently for a further £7.1m next year.
The 27-year-old has had a disastrous spell in Italian football since his £15m arrival from Real Betis last August.
Although hampered by the fact that his sister was kidnapped for ransom in his homeland before later being released, Oliveira has failed to settle.
Despite finding the net an impressive 27 times in 46 games at the Estadio Manuel Ruiz de Lopera, the No 7 has hit the target on just three occasions for Milan.
Turkish giants Fenerbahce and Spain’s Villarreal were also interested in netting the South American forward.
let me throw in my 2 cents of controversy - with RO gone, Milan are now constrained to find a replacement ... or maybe that replacement has already been found and secured?
A little pressure might do us good. Now do what you're paid for and make it quick zla- oops I mean Galliani :uhm:
no, zlat is not galliani. he is ronaldinho, didn't you know that? :zany:
no, zlat is not galliani. he is ronaldinho, didn't you know that? :zany:
And he said many times how he loves Barcelona, feels happy in Barcelona and will not leave Barcelona
Burn the heretic, burn him !!!!!!!!
King tiger
07-07-2007, 17:07
And he said many times how he loves Barcelona, feels happy in Barcelona and will not leave Barcelona
whats wrong with the song ? :zany:
And he said many times how he loves Barcelona, feels happy in Barcelona and will not leave Barcelona
Burn the heretic, burn him !!!!!!!!
he's lying, obviously :D
Hasan Rossonero
07-07-2007, 21:56
Today's Gazetta talks about Pato. It says Berlu likes him, and even with Kaka, when it seemed that Chelsea were poised to take him, Leonardo made the difference and brought Kaka to Milan.
Also it talks about the new AS rumour that Kaka will ask for a clause in his contract. When Gazzetta asked Galliani about this, he said, "These clauses don't exist in Italy, so there is no question of inserting it in Kaka's contract".
Now I'm confused. Did Suazo really have such a clause? If so, was it legal? Or was Zlat right when he said that these clauses aren't allowed in Italy.
It also talks about Ronaldinho and how the fact that he still hasn't renewed his contract with Barca and the fact that the Milan management are quite about him may mean they are preparing a swoop.
Hasan Rossonero
07-07-2007, 22:13
The thing about Suazo's contract was that Cellino didn't say/know anything about it, and no one talked about it. All that was said in reports was that Suazo had a release clause in his contract which stated that he would be free to join Inter if they paid 9 million pounds or something. Cellino, in the end, just said that Suazo had a verbal agreement with Moratti. I think these clauses are not part of Italian football; I don't think Galliani would just say that for the sake of it.
Can anyone shed light on this issue?
zlatanov
08-07-2007, 01:06
I doubt we'll know anytime soon what that Suazo saga was really all about with all the "he said that, we didn't say that" mess that took place.
In the end it was difficult to keep track of all the maneuvers one side tried to do on the other and I think Milan did the best possible thing by pulling themselves out of that Cellino-Moratti mess without making things even more complicated then they already were.
zeshkani
08-07-2007, 02:23
now we are linked with Giuseppe Rossi anyone nows anything more
http://www.tgcom.mediaset.it/controcampo/articoli/articolo369568.shtml
Today's Gazetta talks about Pato. It says Berlu likes him, and even with Kaka, when it seemed that Chelsea were poised to take him, Leonardo made the difference and brought Kaka to Milan.
Also it talks about the new AS rumour that Kaka will ask for a clause in his contract. When Gazzetta asked Galliani about this, he said, "These clauses don't exist in Italy, so there is no question of inserting it in Kaka's contract".
Now I'm confused. Did Suazo really have such a clause? If so, was it legal? Or was Zlat right when he said that these clauses aren't allowed in Italy.
It also talks about Ronaldinho and how the fact that he still hasn't renewed his contract with Barca and the fact that the Milan management are quite about him may mean they are preparing a swoop.
as much as I know, these klauses are allowed everywhere, but are rarely used, except in Spain where every contract must have one.
Arildonardo
08-07-2007, 07:10
now we are linked with Giuseppe Rossi anyone nows anything more
http://www.tgcom.mediaset.it/controcampo/articoli/articolo369568.shtml
Giuseppe Rossi is a great talent and he did very well helping Parma to avoid relegation last season scoring 9 goals. But he is not the world-class striker we expect Milan to sign these days. Anyway, I wouldn't mind having him in our squad as he's a good player now and a star for the future.
_MaJi_tz
08-07-2007, 07:15
Better Rossi and Pato than Sheva for sure...we already have world class striker that is R99...we must think about future
I think Rossi will be an excellent signing.. But since he's eager to find a starter spot I don't think he'll come.. All I know is that he's a great prospect for the future, and he's a Milanista ;)
Hasan Rossonero
08-07-2007, 07:40
Milan on Rossi trail
Sunday 8 July, 2007
European champions Milan are set to make an offer to Manchester United for Italian starlet Giuseppe Rossi.
The youngster has been made available for transfer by the Old Trafford outfit given the likely arrival of Carlos Tevez from West Ham.
Parma have already made a £6m offer for the Under-21 international, but the Italian giants are ready to outbid them.
Stories in the peninsula on Sunday claim that Rossi would be willing to join Milan, even if he does have a bond with Parma after his goals kept them in the top-flight during his loan stint last term.
Milan are expected to make a formal financial proposal once Vice-President Adriano Galliani holds transfer status talks with owner Silvio Berlusconi on Tuesday.
The Rossoneri are looking for new striking options, especially as Ricardo Oliveira is on the verge of joining Real Zaragoza on loan.
His departure will leave boss Carlo Ancelotti with just three options in the shape of Ronaldo, Alberto Gilardino and veteran Pippo Inzaghi.
Juventus, at the request of former Parma boss Claudio Ranieri, and Porto are also understood to be pondering a Rossi bid.
Meanwhile, Galliani has rejected claims in Spain that Kaka’s new contract – which they are working on – will include a rescission clause in it.
“These things don’t exist in Italian football,” noted the official. “This rumour has nothing to do with reality.”
Milan are keen to tie down the Brazilian to a fresh deal in a bid to keep him from wanting a Real Madrid transfer.
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channel 4
Hasan Rossonero
08-07-2007, 07:43
From acmilan.com
GATTUSO: "Our secret is the management"
7/8/2007
MILAN - Rino Gattuso, at Coregliano Schiavonea with the World Cup, talked about Milan and the upcoming Serie A championship: "Kaká is and will remain a symbol of our team. We are about to begin a fantastic league season, more competitive, where everyone will start at the same level. Our secret? The management, the structure of the club which follows all its players closely and sees to it that every player is in the best conditions to give their all for the club."
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I would not be surprised if we go for Rossi instead of Pato, though i can't see Man Utd selling him for a great deal less than what we could sign Pato for.
Hasan Rossonero
08-07-2007, 08:09
I would not be surprised if we go for Rossi instead of Pato, though i can't see Man Utd selling him for a great deal less than what we could sign Pato for.
This move would be a lot less complicated, and Rossi is only 20. For me personally, if it came down to whom out of the two Milan should get, I'd go for Rossi.
Pato is much bigger potential than Rossi, but it could be nice to see both of them in Milan, why not. Mostly these stories are simply made out, so this is still far from the truth, probably.
Its about time we get someone, maybe next week we'll snatch some player we can use like Heinze, Zapata or someone unexpected...
This move would be a lot less complicated, and Rossi is only 20. For me personally, if it came down to whom out of the two Milan should get, I'd go for Rossi.
I've not seen a great deal of either of them, but i would possibly suggest that Rossi would be the better striker (heavier goal scorer) while Pato would be the better attacker (greater dribbling, pace, etc).
Rossi is a pretty good support striker as well and has good dribbling ability. His shooting was pretty wayward(oliveira style if that's possible) during the under-21 championship but that's always something that can be worked on. Italy did look 500000x better with him on the field though.
I'd take Pato over Rossi any day. Rossi is overrated, jut because he's Italian, IMO.
_MaJi_tz
08-07-2007, 09:37
Milan, offre 11 milioni per Giuseppe Rossi
http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/index.php?action=read&id=66410
King tiger
08-07-2007, 09:44
I'd take Pato over Rossi any day. Rossi is overrated, jut because he's Italian, IMO.
Pato is overrated just coz he is Brasilian IMHO :D
Better Rossi and Pato than Sheva for sure...we already have world class striker that is R99...we must think about future
Only problem with Ronaldo are his injuries,... I agree with you, it's even better to bring only one of them (Pato or Rossi) than Sheva..
btw what do you think about Santa Cruz, now when Bayern bought Klose and Toni he will probably go out, I know he isn't young, but he plays good...
Id take Yoan Gouffran over Rossi & Pato - lol joke.
No but I do hope we go for him, he is like the equivalent of Gourcuff but playing in a slightly different role. Many talk about him being the new Theirry Henry, imagine having the new Zidane & Henry in 1 team. I dont think his club are after much, only 2 Mill I heard.
Hasan Rossonero
08-07-2007, 10:30
Pato is overrated just coz he is Brasilian IMHO :D
:ilol::ilol:
Pato is overrated just coz he is Brasilian IMHO :D
ma nemas ti pojma :zany: jebes rossija :uhm:
King tiger
08-07-2007, 11:25
ma nemas ti pojma :zany: jebes patka :uhm:
:D :D :D :D
zlatanov
08-07-2007, 11:49
*cough* english please *cough* :D
Milan will get both pato and Rossi as they are both solutions for the future, especially Pato, and not for the present.
Rossi, being Italian, is a natural choice, while Silvio wnats Pato ... so, it's obvious we'll get them both.
Remember that you heard it here first :D
Hasan Rossonero
08-07-2007, 11:55
*cough* english please *cough* :D
Milan will get both pato and Rossi as they are both solutions for the future, especially Pato, and not for the present.
Rossi, being Italian, is a natural choice, while Silvio wnats Pato ... so, it's obvious we'll get them both.
Remember that you heard it here first :D
I hope you're right. They are our most realistic targets (alongside Cassano).
United want to sell and Real want to sell. Pato looks like he is going to leave soon.
zlatanov
08-07-2007, 12:30
I hope you're right. They are our most realistic targets (alongside Cassano).
United want to sell and Real want to sell. Pato looks like he is going to leave soon.
when was I wrong so that you doubt me words? :D
seriously though, with Pippo nearing retirement, probably last year with us, and Ronaldo already 31 and probably not more than 2 more years in a Milan shirt, I wouldn't exclude Milan going for all these - Pato, Rossi, Cassano given that the first two are at least a couple of years away from gaining enough experience and maturity to enter the Milan first team and be something more than reserve players.
I think however that it would be one of Rossi or Cassano as they are pretty much identical players, while Pato brings some different characteristics on the table.
I wouldn't mind a Cassano experiment though, especially if it won't cost Milan much in terms fo tarsnfer fees - if any, doubt it would be more than 2-3 mil in the end - although he would need a good amount of work and time invested in him before he is ready for Milan ... at least he already has the experience, though, unlike the other two.
when was I wrong so that you doubt me words? :D
seriously though, with Pippo nearing retirement, probably last year with us, and Ronaldo already 31 and probably not more than 2 more years in a Milan shirt, I wouldn't exclude Milan going for all these - Pato, Rossi, Cassano given that the first two are at least a couple of years away from gaining enough experience and maturity to enter the Milan first team and be something more than reserve players.
I think however that it would be one of Rossi or Cassano as they are pretty much identical players, while Pato brings some different characteristics on the table.
I wouldn't mind a Cassano experiment though, especially if it won't cost Milan much in terms fo tarsnfer fees - if any, doubt it would be more than 2-3 mil in the end - although he would need a good amount of work and time invested in him before he is ready for Milan ... at least he already has the experience, though, unlike the other two.
I hope we get all three of them, altough that doesn't seem like something Milan would do.
Guess we are favourites to sign the trio.
Pato and Rossi both prefer Milan out of all the others, as they have said that in public.
Cassano doesn't seem to have much of a choice, Milan or a mid-class side.And I think Antonio wants to get his career in the lift.
I do hope Pato is our n1 target.
I do hope Pato is our n1 target.
So do I :grinser: !
So do I :grinser: !
join the club :D
join the club :D
Who? Me? :sweeteye:
I've been watching the U20 WC religiously, and Pato really doesn't look good. A few good moves here and there, but hardly anything brilliant materializes. For some weird, inexpliquable reason, he kinda reminds me of a slightly better and younger version of......Oliveira. In any case, he needs more time to mature. I see Rossi as the better alternative, considering he already has Serie A experience, which can be crucial.
I do hope Pato is our n1 target.
Wasn't etoo our n1 target?
I hope Pato is down below on our wish-list, that way we might actually buy him :bri:
Graeme C
08-07-2007, 13:55
I've been watching the U20 WC religiously, and Pato really doesn't look good. A few good moves here and there, but hardly anything brilliant materializes. For some weird, inexpliquable reason, he kinda reminds me of a slightly better and younger version of......Oliveira. In any case, he needs more time to mature. I see Rossi as the better alternative, considering he already has Serie A experience, which can be crucial.
yeah i agree with that, thats the main thing.. Rossi is a Milan fan which could help us in getting him.
I've been watching the U20 WC religiously, and Pato really doesn't look good. A few good moves here and there, but hardly anything brilliant materializes. For some weird, inexpliquable reason, he kinda reminds me of a slightly better and younger version of......Oliveira. In any case, he needs more time to mature. I see Rossi as the better alternative, considering he already has Serie A experience, which can be crucial.
Well, you must have also seen that he is under enormous pressure?And he is still able to score.There are more than a few scouts there from big clubs to watch him.He has showed his class in the past and I believe that he will become a superb striker in an envrionment such as Milans.Wasn't etoo our n1 target?
I hope Pato is down below on our wish-list, that way we might actually buy him :bri:
Yes, but Eto'o is very unlikely to leave Barca and it seems we have already given up on him.
Milan, offre 11 milioni per Giuseppe Rossi
http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/index.php?action=read&id=66410
Well, that's what I call a move on the right direction: to purchase a young and very promissing italian starlet.
And I guess that signing Rossi doesn't mean that we cannot get Pato too. Well, that's the way a top class side like ours shall act.
Well, you must have also seen that he is under enormous pressure?And he is still able to score.There are more than a few scouts there from big clubs to watch him.He has showed his class in the past and I believe that he will become a superb striker in an envrionment such as Milans.
Yes, but Eto'o is very unlikely to leave Barca and it seems we have already given up on him.
Exactly. I said he needs time to mature, and you're just supporting what I've said. Pato's not ready to be at Milan yet. Yes. I know he's shown his class in the past, but if he turns into a young Oliveira under pressure, then how will he cope with the enormous pressure and expectations that come with being a Milan player? He needs more time to develope his skills and mentality. Personally, I think all this hype, especially all the attention and wild bids from big European clubs, can be disastrous for his career.
I can see Rossi scoring 25+ Seria A goals for us next season
they should might aswell hand the scudetto to us.
I think you're pushing it JUST a bit there..lol
remote2book
08-07-2007, 15:18
id rather sign rossi.......ive always liked him more then pato....not saying that we shudnt go for pato as well...but sign rossi first has good serie A expiernce he is a milianista...could learn a few things while ronaldo and pipoo are still running..
rosoneri_11
08-07-2007, 15:25
I prefer Pato over Rossi.
Pato is only 17. He is supposed to be a phenomenon. He is already a great talent and all the big clubs are interested for him. He can be a world class palyer. He can do great things on the field.
On the oer hand i can see Rossi only as a good player, he can be a very good striker but i can't imagine him a world class palyer or a great player.
Hasan Rossonero
08-07-2007, 15:34
when was I wrong so that you doubt me words? :D
seriously though, with Pippo nearing retirement, probably last year with us, and Ronaldo already 31 and probably not more than 2 more years in a Milan shirt, I wouldn't exclude Milan going for all these - Pato, Rossi, Cassano given that the first two are at least a couple of years away from gaining enough experience and maturity to enter the Milan first team and be something more than reserve players.
I think however that it would be one of Rossi or Cassano as they are pretty much identical players, while Pato brings some different characteristics on the table.
I wouldn't mind a Cassano experiment though, especially if it won't cost Milan much in terms fo tarsnfer fees - if any, doubt it would be more than 2-3 mil in the end - although he would need a good amount of work and time invested in him before he is ready for Milan ... at least he already has the experience, though, unlike the other two.
Milan will announce the capture of Eto'o Tuesday or Wednesday...sound familiar? :D
Seriously, you talk sense, and I think we will make a bid for Rossi.
So i am crazy ?
To let you know the trasfer was competed is in Chelsea's web sight
The party goes on...Malouda poised for Chelsea
http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=475839&CPID=8&clid=8&lid=2&title=Malouda+poised+for+Chelsea#
Lyon winger Florent Malouda is on his way to Chelsea in a €20million (£13.5million) deal, with the two clubs having now come to an agreement over the fee.
Lyon president Jean-Michel Aulas revealed on Sunday that an accord for the France international had been struck, and Chelsea have now confirmed to Sky Sports News that a deal has been done with the French champions.
In what has been a protracted transfer, Lyon have stood firm over what they feel is a fair price for a player who has been integral to their dominance of French football.
While Chelsea's rivals have spent big in the close-season, Jose Mourinho has thus far been prudent in the transfer market, largely relying on free transfers as he looks to bulk a squad that is already one of the strongest in Europe.
They have now made a significant move of their own, with the signing of Malouda set to be sealed on Monday subject to a medical.
"The transfer was concluded for a sum of €20million. It was a good transaction," Aulas told The Associated Press after a Lyon friendly at Albertville, France.
The length of the deal was not disclosed but it is hoped that all formalities will be concluded in time for Malouda to travel with his new team-mates on Monday, for a pre-season tour of United States.
"The London club is completely in agreement with the amount we're looking for. I'm waiting for a confirmation email from Chelsea's chief executive Peter Kenyon," Aulas added on Lyon's television channel OLTV.
"It's fantastic and great news for Florent. I've just phoned him and he's going to be able to leave tonight to undergo a medical in London on Monday."
So i am crazy ?
To let you know the trasfer was competed is in Chelsea's web sight
The party goes on...Malouda poised for Chelsea
http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=475839&CPID=8&clid=8&lid=2&title=Malouda+poised+for+Chelsea#
Lyon winger Florent Malouda is on his way to Chelsea in a €20million (£13.5million) deal, with the two clubs having now come to an agreement over the fee.
Lyon president Jean-Michel Aulas revealed on Sunday that an accord for the France international had been struck, and Chelsea have now confirmed to Sky Sports News that a deal has been done with the French champions.
In what has been a protracted transfer, Lyon have stood firm over what they feel is a fair price for a player who has been integral to their dominance of French football.
While Chelsea's rivals have spent big in the close-season, Jose Mourinho has thus far been prudent in the transfer market, largely relying on free transfers as he looks to bulk a squad that is already one of the strongest in Europe.
They have now made a significant move of their own, with the signing of Malouda set to be sealed on Monday subject to a medical.
"The transfer was concluded for a sum of €20million. It was a good transaction," Aulas told The Associated Press after a Lyon friendly at Albertville, France.
The length of the deal was not disclosed but it is hoped that all formalities will be concluded in time for Malouda to travel with his new team-mates on Monday, for a pre-season tour of United States.
"The London club is completely in agreement with the amount we're looking for. I'm waiting for a confirmation email from Chelsea's chief executive Peter Kenyon," Aulas added on Lyon's television channel OLTV.
"It's fantastic and great news for Florent. I've just phoned him and he's going to be able to leave tonight to undergo a medical in London on Monday."
Another great player gone to waste..
#Sigh
Screw them...we dont need him, we need only a striker and a LB. Chelsea can get whoever they want and we'll still beat them. And even if we loose, there is always Benitez and Liverpool :) And this means Robben on his way to Madrid...or Milan? ( eventually we will make a solid attacking LB out oif him ! Like we did with Serginho who was world class attacking winger ) :grinser:
I saw an interwiew with Calderon, and I think that it can be read on gazzetta.it, and , from what I've understood ( and maybe I missunderstood ), he said something like this: He mentions 5 new players will be signed with Madrid, speaks how Ronaldo sale influenced Madrid lift the title ( you idiots, you really have no respect and class, you are not even real proffesionals to keep your mouth shut! Capello did all the work and made players out of those lazy crybabies from Santiago Bernabeu, and you ****in moron sacked him!!! Idiot, good luck with world class coach from Getafe.... :5ok: )
And then, oif course, there goes the story again... Kaka's transfer is complicacted and he DOESNT wanna disturbe Milan and Galliani....but, a player doesnt want to play for his club and they will not surrender... what kind of a comment is that? ( if that is the translation ). Well ...... you Calderon! I really hope we get the few players we need and meet Madrid in CL knock out stage and kick the hell out of them, non class bastards that use commercials to attract "football" fans...disgusting club, worse than Intermerdazionale...
GilAttack [11]
08-07-2007, 16:10
Robben will go to Real Madrid.
zlatanov
08-07-2007, 16:14
Milan will announce the capture of Eto'o Tuesday or Wednesday...sound familiar? :D
and they would have but in the last moment water around Dinho got really muddy and that changed the main objective ;)
so, expect ether Rossi or Pato or Cassano AND Dinho ... to be announced by the end of the summer. :bri:
and remember, you heard it here first :D
Hasan Rossonero
08-07-2007, 16:14
Screw them...we dont need him, we need only a striker and a LB. Chelsea can get whoever they want and we'll still beat them. And even if we loose, there is always Benitez and Liverpool :) And this means Robben on his way to Madrid...or Milan? ( eventually we will make a solid attacking LB out oif him ! Like we did with Serginho who was world class attacking winger ) :grinser:
I saw an interwiew with Calderon, and I think that it can be read on gazzetta.it, and , from what I've understood ( and maybe I missunderstood ), he said something like this: He mentions 5 new players will be signed with Madrid, speaks how Ronaldo sale influenced Madrid lift the title ( you idiots, you really have no respect and class, you are not even real proffesionals to keep your mouth shut! Capello did all the work and made players out of those lazy crybabies from Santiago Bernabeu, and you ****in moron sacked him!!! Idiot, good luck with world class coach from Getafe.... :5ok: )
And then, oif course, there goes the story again... Kaka's transfer is complicacted and he DOESNT wanna disturbe Milan and Galliani....but, a player doesnt want to play for his club and they will not surrender... what kind of a comment is that? ( if that is the translation ). Well ...... you Calderon! I really hope we get the few players we need and meet Madrid in CL knock out stage and kick the hell out of them, non class bastards that use commercials to attract "football" fans...disgusting club, worse than Intermerdazionale...
The translation is pretty much correct. Calderon said that he is convinced if a player doesn't want to play for his club, then there is nothing the club can do. The guy has no class. He has to save face as his election promises look like they are not coming true. They're also after Fabregas. Calderon also said that Real held talks with Wenger only for Arsenal and Wenger to vehemently deny that. Blah Blah Blah...
Hasan Rossonero
08-07-2007, 16:16
and they would have but in the last moment water around Dinho got really muddy and that changed the main objective ;)
so, expect ether Rossi or Pato or Cassano AND Dinho ... to be announced by the end of the summer. :bri:
and remember, you heard it here first :D
:D
This is how I rank those four names (in probability of arrival).
1) Pato
2) Cassano
3) Rossi
4) Ronaldinho
And you?
zlatanov
08-07-2007, 16:28
I am still not completely convinced that Milan is seriously after Rossi as all we've had is a rumour in a peper/site about it, while for Pato and Cassano we've had confirmation coming from Milan officials directly (Carlo, Galliani and Braida and maybe even Silvio on Pato).
Assuming that we are after Rossi as seriously as we are after Pato, I think there is a good chance both of them will be bought (we shouldn't forget that we don't have to pay the whole amounts at once but that could happen in installments over 2-3 years) but at most 1 of them would arrive at Milan immediately.
So, my probability "chart" :D is as follows:
1) Pato and Rossi(?)
2) Dinho
if not 2) then:
3) Cassano
1. Pato
2. Cassano
3. ..... Yorke
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Has Zlat EVER correctly predicted a transfer ?
zlatanov
08-07-2007, 16:50
Has Zlat EVER correctly predicted a transfer ?
of course ... the question is more like, have I ever not predicted a transfer, corectly that is :D
Oh Zlat quick off topic...but is your name from Ibrahimovic or does it have nothing to do with him.
Hasan Rossonero
08-07-2007, 16:58
Zlatanov sounds like a Bulgarian last name, and is probably Zlatanov's last name??
I always assumed that was the reason for the name.
zlatanov
08-07-2007, 17:05
Zlatanov sounds like a Bulgarian last name, and is probably Zlatanov's last name??
I always assumed that was the reason for the name.
some people know more than they should :D
Hasan Rossonero
08-07-2007, 17:07
some people know more than they should :D
Thank God it has nothing to do with that Inter di merda player. :D
Screw them...we dont need him, we need only a striker and a LB. Chelsea can get whoever they want and we'll still beat them. And even if we loose, there is always Benitez and Liverpool :) And this means Robben on his way to Madrid...or Milan? ( eventually we will make a solid attacking LB out oif him ! Like we did with Serginho who was world class attacking winger ) :grinser:
I saw an interwiew with Calderon, and I think that it can be read on gazzetta.it, and , from what I've understood ( and maybe I missunderstood ), he said something like this: He mentions 5 new players will be signed with Madrid, speaks how Ronaldo sale influenced Madrid lift the title ( you idiots, you really have no respect and class, you are not even real proffesionals to keep your mouth shut! Capello did all the work and made players out of those lazy crybabies from Santiago Bernabeu, and you ****in moron sacked him!!! Idiot, good luck with world class coach from Getafe.... :5ok: )
And then, oif course, there goes the story again... Kaka's transfer is complicacted and he DOESNT wanna disturbe Milan and Galliani....but, a player doesnt want to play for his club and they will not surrender... what kind of a comment is that? ( if that is the translation ). Well ...... you Calderon! I really hope we get the few players we need and meet Madrid in CL knock out stage and kick the hell out of them, non class bastards that use commercials to attract "football" fans...disgusting club, worse than Intermerdazionale...
Many strong words but you're right mrki, this so-called gentleman doesn't even know when to shut his mouth up
hitmannq8
08-07-2007, 17:36
Galliani: "After the failure of being able to meet Ronaldinho's demands, we will not go for any strikers. We might try to sign Pato or Rolando Bianchi but that they are asking for too much. Our transfer market is closed. We have a great squad and we musn't forget they are the champions of Europe and we will have Il Fenomeno in our squad next season."
from Mediaset TV
Galliani: "After the failure of being able to meet Ronaldinho's demands, we will not go for any strikers. We might try to sign Pato or Rolando Bianchi but that they are asking for too much. Our transfer market is closed. We have a great squad and we musn't forget they are the champions of Europe and we will have Il Fenomeno in our squad next season."
from Mediaset TV
So, our fourth striker : Aubumeyang!! :grinser:
Galliani: "After the failure of being able to meet Ronaldinho's demands, we will not go for any strikers. We might try to sign Pato or Rolando Bianchi but that they are asking for too much. Our transfer market is closed. We have a great squad and we musn't forget they are the champions of Europe and we will have Il Fenomeno in our squad next season."
from Mediaset TV
So practically he's just asking for a punch in the face?
And mr. Galliani we haven't even purchased anyone, how can our market be closed?And no Ba is not a top signing ! :grinser:
If this is true then its a slap in the face of Milan fans... nothing more , nothing less. Declaration that Milan cant pay for Henry's or Ronaldinho's wages is simply ridiculous and offencive.
_MaJi_tz
08-07-2007, 17:49
Galliani: "After the failure of being able to meet Ronaldinho's demands, we will not go for any strikers. We might try to sign Pato or Rolando Bianchi but that they are asking for too much. Our transfer market is closed. We have a great squad and we musn't forget they are the champions of Europe and we will have Il Fenomeno in our squad next season."
from Mediaset TV
If this is true than Mr.Galliani is new Mr Merda
We'll be facing a tougher competition with strengthened opponents, plus a half around the world journey for Intercontinental with only 3 strikers?? :mad:
_MaJi_tz
08-07-2007, 18:03
No This Cant Be True This Is Simple Ridiculus.....
Plsss say this is joke
zlatanov
08-07-2007, 18:05
Galliani: "After the failure of being able to meet Ronaldinho's demands, we will not go for any strikers. We might try to sign Pato or Rolando Bianchi but that they are asking for too much. Our transfer market is closed. We have a great squad and we musn't forget they are the champions of Europe and we will have Il Fenomeno in our squad next season."
from Mediaset TV
you know hitman, you shouldn't be so cruel to your fellow Milan fans, some of whom actually believed the above story and felt offended after yet another toy-less summer :D
Galliani: "After the failure of being able to meet Ronaldinho's demands, we will not go for any strikers. We might try to sign Pato or Rolando Bianchi but that they are asking for too much. Our transfer market is closed. We have a great squad and we musn't forget they are the champions of Europe and we will have Il Fenomeno in our squad next season."
from Mediaset TV
ok, we're fooled, now please say this was a joke :sweeteye:
Even if he did really say that, what could possibly make you think that he was being serious? When was the last time anything Galliani said about our transfers turned out to be true? Galliani is worse that Zlat when it comes to transfers :D
Hasan Rossonero
08-07-2007, 18:12
Galliani: "After the failure of being able to meet Ronaldinho's demands, we will not go for any strikers. We might try to sign Pato or Rolando Bianchi but that they are asking for too much. Our transfer market is closed. We have a great squad and we musn't forget they are the champions of Europe and we will have Il Fenomeno in our squad next season."
from Mediaset TV
This part is what makes the post hard to believe. So Galliani is openly admitting that Ronaldinho wants to leave Barca??? I don't know man...this doesn't sound right.
True or not, how can Galliani say that Ronaldo is our signing? We signed him last season and it showed that him and Oddo really helped out. This stuff " Ronaldo is our new signing" is ridiculous, who is he lying to? My grandmother? Before january Galliani was also speaking how we dont need anyone bla,bla...
Galliani is worse that Zlat when it comes to transfers :D
I really hope Galliani much worse than Zlat. :grinser:
zlatanov
08-07-2007, 18:16
I really hope Galliani much worse than Zlat. :grinser:
hey, easy there with complements :D
Etoo would have been a Milan player by now but in the last moment Dinho's situatiin changed and that made Milan stall again ... if you don't believe me, just wait and you'll see :mad:
:grinser:
Hasan Rossonero
08-07-2007, 18:17
Ok ... so is this a joke? I can't find this anywhere on the web ?
Ok ... so is this a joke? I can't find this anywhere on the web ?
Ofcourse this is a joke. How can we close our transfer after targeting Ronaldinho/Eto'o but only Ba's arriving in Milan. Just like Vadim, Galliani is worse than Zlat when it comes to transfers :grinser: .
To close transfer market you first have to open it...Ba doesnt count as a transfer :)
Maybe Galliani was drunk or something...
Hasan Rossonero
08-07-2007, 18:24
Ofcourse this is a joke. How can we close our transfer after targeting Ronaldinho/Eto'o but only Ba's arriving in Milan. Just like Vadim, Galliani is worse than Zlat when it comes to transfers :grinser: .
I must say if it's a joke, it was worded very well. I, for one, (partially) fell for it.
I cannot find anything on the web either.Certainly not on Mediaset..
So it's a joke huh? :mad:
Luckily I'm in a good mood or mr. hitmannq8 would have received a punch in the face instead of poor ol'Galliani !
:grinser:
To close transfer market you first have to open it...Ba doesnt count as a transfer :)
Maybe Galliani was drunk or something...
Actually we have opened it. We bought a young striker (16 yo I think, but I forget his name).
I must say if it's a joke, it was worded very well. I, for one, (partially) fell for it.
I agree, it was worded just like Galliani would have said it. There's only one logical explanation for this: hitmannq8 is Galliani! How many Gallianis does that make on MM?
Screw them...we dont need him, we need only a striker and a LB.
even with 2 new players i dont think we would be ready for serie a, specially if our midfield starts act lazy or back line gets unsure like it was the case many times last season. CL is another story, 5 good games at the end of season can get us to another title...
I was out whole day so i'm probably repeating what someone else here said :
According to "AS" Real will make the final atempt to get Kaka. The offer will be 12m Euro per year (9m for Kaka , 3m on taxes)
Hasan Rossonero
08-07-2007, 22:34
According to today's Gazzetta, Milan will increase Kaka's salary to 7 million euros a season (the highest in Serie A) and higher than Henry, Eto'o, Gerrard, Totti etc.
The only player to make more is Ronaldinho at 8.
Furthermore, the new contract, according to Galliani, is not going to have a release clause. Milan will also bring back Kaka's brother from Rimini, and invest in Kaka's image as leader and captain of Milan (yes, this is the plan). Milan are going to do with Kaka what they did with Maldini. (btw Capello has also touched on this briefly when he said that Kaka will be the new face of Berlu's Milan).
Lastly, it also talks about the practice of inserting clauses in contracts, and according to Suazo's agent clubs do this. According to him it protects everyone. It doesn't seem a practice that Milan follows, but it was in Toni's and Suazo's contract.
hitmannq8
09-07-2007, 02:04
im really sorry i logged out before saying it was a joke.. i didnt think anyone would believe it! i noticed every1 gettin really angry cuz of the lack of activity so i thought that would pinch the pessimists a bit. sorry folks :P
Goddamn you, sick maniac Hitmanq8 , I almost stop to breath here! :p146: :nana: :p146:
im really sorry i logged out before saying it was a joke.. i didnt think anyone would believe it! i noticed every1 gettin really angry cuz of the lack of activity so i thought that would pinch the pessimists a bit. sorry folks :P
Hahaha that's really a nice joke!! :dielaugh: :dielaugh:
im really sorry i logged out before saying it was a joke.. i didnt think anyone would believe it! i noticed every1 gettin really angry cuz of the lack of activity so i thought that would pinch the pessimists a bit. sorry folks :P
I believed it also. However If this would have been truth it would be a trick of Galliani to moove in a different way to the transfer market.
But a message to the board, buy players now :mad:
I really appreciate Zlat, he is one of my favourites here but i cannot understand how calm is whereas we are not making movements on the tranfer market.
hitmannq8
09-07-2007, 04:03
Well thats what we hear from him 2 or 3 times every summer, so it isnt really far from the truth. He might say it sooner or later. Does anyone here think Galliani is lieing when he says he'll only buy a striker? I want to know what you guys think, will he get a much-needed LB/CB (Chivu!!!!!)?
I do have faith in him gettin a good striker, but yet I also had faith in him getting a good one when he got Oliveira. Having faith does not necessarily lead to what im looking for! I'll hope for Adriano/Cassano, I'd be satisfied with any of those for the striker department. But I still hope that our defence is reinforced as well because I am not convinced with our current players for next season. Nesta, Oddo and Kaladze are fine, Jankulovski n Maldini could be good some games, but the rest of the defence isn't too convincing....I'd like a CB at least, maybe a LB too!
I hope that the management are lieing to us when they say our defence and midfield are fine. I do know they lie alot, I hope they aren't sayin the truth this time.
rosoneri_11
09-07-2007, 04:04
I believed it also. However If this would have been truth it would be a trick of Galliani to moove in a different way to the transfer market.
But a message to the board, buy players now :mad:
I really appreciate Zlat, he is one of my favourites here but i cannot understand how calm is whereas we are not making movements on the tranfer market.
You are right angry my friend. I have the same feelings with you,but not so much. Look i know that someone gonna arrive to Milan and that keeps me worried and more calm than you.
So take it easy someone will arrive for sure. Just be patient, and then reveal your feelings good or......................bad :diablo: !
rosoneri_11
09-07-2007, 04:50
I have another striker option.
How about Nery Castillo?The 23-year old Olympiakos striker is no teenager but he wasn't well known before coppa america. He is now, after a Brazilian type goal against the Brazilians and a poacher's goal against Ecuador helped Mexico to top place in Group B.He already have 4 goals, and very good appearances with Mexico!
He might be 23 but he plays from his 18 here at Greece.For sure he is a very very good player and now at coppa america many teams are looking him with great interest.
Take a look of him and tell me if you like him
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-BTARlME38
And his great goal against Brazil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYhqZqV1Omw
To sum on today's news:
- In the mext two days Camoranesi and Nedved will decide if they will stay or go away from Juve ( fingers crossed for the 2nd option )
- Chivu will also solve his status in the next 2 days, and his wish is apparently Inter merda, If they get Chivu, there is a real option we can get Samuel
- we still have no new players but calciomercato says we are still up for Eto'o...
Dr Milano
09-07-2007, 06:17
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jul8h.html
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Guiseppe Rossi linked with milan !!! :5ok:
he did admit that one day .. he would like to play football in italia and milan is his favorite club :5ok:
I have another striker option.
How about Nery Castillo?The 23-year old Olympiakos striker is no teenager but he wasn't well known before coppa america. He is now, after a Brazilian type goal against the Brazilians and a poacher's goal against Ecuador helped Mexico to top place in Group B.He already have 4 goals, and very good appearances with Mexico!
He might be 23 but he plays from his 18 here at Greece.For sure he is a very very good player and now at coppa america many teams are looking him with great interest.
Take a look of him and tell me if you like him
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-BTARlME38
And his great goal against Brazil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYhqZqV1Omw
You live in Greece i didn't believe that you would say say that. Castillo is an amazing player but at the same time one of the worst characters in the history of football.
You live in Greece i didn't believe that you would say say that. Castillo is an amazing player but at the same time one of the worst characters in the history of football.
It would be still interesting to see him punching Maldini in the face :)
Neri Castillo is one of the worst characters in the history of the world, not only football. I hope Inter buy him :haha:
It would be still interesting to see him punching Maldini in the face :)
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Unfortunately for him, that would be the last thing he ever did. Rino would tear him apart :grinser:
To sum on today's news:
- In the mext two days Camoranesi and Nedved will decide if they will stay or go away from Juve ( fingers crossed for the 2nd option )
Most probably both will stay, though. Even Nedved's agent said that Nedved will stay at Juve nevertheless if he retires or not but according to him Neddy will continue playing for one more year.
If he retires though, according to Corriere dello sport, Rosicky will take over his spot and knowing how much Nedved cares about Juve i doubt he'll leave before he aranges for a top class to be his successor (in case he retires he'll continue working for Juventus, that was the plan)
Huh...Im waiting for so long for this man to stop playing as he is so damn good its awfull to see him play for Juve.
I have some friends that would give their life savings to see Pippo retire from football :)
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