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Ghost

09-07-2007, 07:37

We wait.....

Tony29.

09-07-2007, 07:39

Unfortunately for him, that would be the last thing he ever did. Rino would tear him apart :grinser:
Seriously, this prick is capable of doing just that. Whoever comes to Milan must be aware that Maldini is the living legend and the king and he must respect Maldini. But Castillo isn't like the others, he's well capable of punching even a guy like Maldini.
All Greeks know what i'm talking about. Castillo is a bully. But crazy Oly fans still adore him :rolleyes:

Edit : 3 years ago Moggi almost bought him. Thanx God he didn't :w221:

rosoneri_11

09-07-2007, 08:02

You live in Greece i didn't believe that you would say say that. Castillo is an amazing player but at the same time one of the worst characters in the history of football.

Well i spoked only for his football abilities.I forgot to say something about his great character. :guw:

Hasan Rossonero

09-07-2007, 08:05

Udinese keeper De Sanctis has joined Sevilla:

www.acmilan.com

rosoneri_11

09-07-2007, 08:09

Udinese keeper has joined Sevilla:

www.acmilan.com

After Buffon i think De Sanctis and Amelia are the best italian GK's.And also they are young!
Well we lost Buffon, now De Sanctis, i hope not and Amelia.We need a good and talented GK.

Hasan Rossonero

09-07-2007, 08:10

After Buffon i think De Sanctis and Amelia are the best italian GK's.And also they are young!
Well we lost Buffon, now De Sanctis, i hope not and Amelia.We need a good and talented GK.
Well De Sanctis is pretty much 30, but yeah, Amelia is young.

Ghost

09-07-2007, 08:28

I was confident with Dida between the sticks for us - however when reviewing our current season and watching our road to athens I just dont know. The first leg against Manchester United & Bayern still give me the shivers for some reason and I would prefer another keeper to be true, then I also remember the good times he has had with us.

drucurl

09-07-2007, 08:30

Quaresma to athletico deal has collapsed...pleeeeease lets get him :(

Maltese Charlie

09-07-2007, 08:37

Well De Sanctis is pretty much 30, but yeah, Amelia is young.

Hasan, you are really offending me!!!!!!!

In which category you will put me ( nearly 48) if a 30 year old is not young?
For me he looks like my son. :grinser: :grinser: :grinser:

Ghost

09-07-2007, 08:37

How about approaching Gallas again?

I can see Arsenal putting him on the transfer list as he just doesnt stop moaning.

hwmook

09-07-2007, 08:43

How about approaching Gallas again?

I can see Arsenal putting him on the transfer list as he just doesnt stop moaning.

and you want a player like that in our team? Its not like he is getting any younger. I trust Bonera to start claiming the 1st team spot in CB this season so we need to get a capable player who is willing to sit on the bench and fight it out for a place. And we still have Kala who is decent on all accounts so we are not really short of players. I rather we get a decent LB than waste money on Gallas. This season is not the same as last season.

Ghost

09-07-2007, 08:49

and you want a player like that in our team? Its not like he is getting any younger. I trust Bonera to start claiming the 1st team spot in CB this season so we need to get a capable player who is willing to sit on the bench and fight it out for a place. And we still have Kala who is decent on all accounts so we are not really short of players. I rather we get a decent LB than waste money on Gallas. This season is not the same as last season.

I never meant it in that context to be honest, what I was suppose to say was I can see Gallas getting shifted on to the transfer market and I wonder whether Milan will approach him. When you do consider his age and what comes with the package he is a waste and its true what you said about the money could be spent more efficiently in other areas.

Hasan Rossonero

09-07-2007, 08:56

Hasan, you are really offending me!!!!!!!

In which category you will put me ( nearly 48) if a 30 year old is not young?
For me he looks like my son. :grinser: :grinser: :grinser:

:grinser:

I meant in football terms :).

Ghost

09-07-2007, 08:59

How much do you think Pazzini would cost? Honestly I would prefer him over Rossi.

Maltese Charlie

09-07-2007, 09:12

:grinser:

I meant in football terms :).

:grinser:

hmm... I see..... because my mum is still calling me her boy!!!!!! :grinser:

rosoneri_11

09-07-2007, 10:18

How much do you think Pazzini would cost? Honestly I would prefer him over Rossi.

Me too, i prefer Pazzini over Rossi.

Warro Bantan

09-07-2007, 11:15

Galliani: "After the failure of being able to meet Ronaldinho's demands, we will not go for any strikers. We might try to sign Pato or Rolando Bianchi but that they are asking for too much. Our transfer market is closed. We have a great squad and we musn't forget they are the champions of Europe and we will have Il Fenomeno in our squad next season."

from Mediaset TV
:haha: :rotfl:

U rock hitmann!! Lovely "quote"...I almost fell for it, but then I recalled the silly season rules, and calmed down again, then re-read it (ie ur "quote"), and your mistake was in using the world "failure"...Galliani rarely uses that word :grinser:

The reactions though, were even funnier...should I make the "Silly Season Rules" a sticky thread? :dielaugh:

Mystik

09-07-2007, 11:19

How much do you think Pazzini would cost? Honestly I would prefer him over Rossi.
Nope Pazzini shouldn't be the type of striker we're looking for, he's more like a Gila type of striker. We need a support striker, someone more like Rossi.

Jim_UK

09-07-2007, 11:52

Quaresma to athletico deal has collapsed...pleeeeease lets get him :(

I wouldn't be surprised to see him at Liverpool next season if their interest in him is to be believed.

Warro Bantan

09-07-2007, 11:58

Jim as a side note...how much have Liverpool spent this summer todate?

I dont see them spending much more after bringing in Torres..but who knows? :dontkn: I certainly dont :D

Jim_UK

09-07-2007, 12:08

Well Lucas cost £8 million, Torres was £26 million and Voronin was a free transfer (i think he was a panic buy before the new investors took over), so being the mathematical genius i am, i make that £34 million :D

However, they sold Garcia for £4.5 million and they've also sold (or are in the process of selling) Bellamy & Cisse for around £13 million. So taking that from the other total, they've roughly spent £16 million so far.

I'm sure given their run in the CL, ticket sales and tv deals, they must have made at least £50 million from that side of things. Plus the two new American owners at one stage pledged around £40-£60 million for summer transfers before they took over (depending on the sources you read). That total might have been re-evaluated seeing how they've altered the stadium plans, but they have the means to carry on spending big. Wether they do or not is another matter.

Additionally, they've bought another shed load of youngsters (one highly rated Spanish kiddy from Barcelona) as well. I don't know what sort of prices they've spent on them, not alot i don't think.

Tony29.

09-07-2007, 12:08

Jim as a side note...how much have Liverpool spent this summer todate?

I dont see them spending much more after bringing in Torres..but who knows? :dontkn: I certainly dont :D
They signed Voronin on a free transfer, they took young Argentinian defender Insua on loan, 1 Bulgarian youngster (goalkeeper) and they spent money on Lucas Leiva (€10 million) and Torres (€30 million) ....so more or less they spent €40 million.

Even Juve spent more than Liverpool so i think they still have money planned for transfers this summer

Warro Bantan

09-07-2007, 12:12

Oh my gosh!! And we havent spent anything yet? (Unless you count Ba, which still was $0 spend :D ) Oh no, woe is me! We are doomed! Doomed I tells yah!

(Inhales deeply) ok...ok ok ...silly season, its silly season...its silly season...

Now I feel better! :D

Ghost

09-07-2007, 12:34

With all the money spent by Liverpool, I still cant see them winning the EPL.

They are a cup team - at best.

Giorgos

09-07-2007, 12:39

With all the money spent by Liverpool, I still cant see them winning the EPL.

They are a cup team - at best.

Calm down i am Manutd but i believe the next season Chelsea will be the favourite and by sure Manutd will be there also. :5ok:

mrki

09-07-2007, 13:15

teletext on Croatian RTL is saying( and quoting ) that Liverpool have made an offer and are close to sign Babel from Ajax...

But I figured out in what department Milan's managment is great ( except for winning CL 5 times in 20 years :) ) - creating modest and patient fans! Come on, look at us... some Barca and Madrid fans are still asking for more players. New Chelsea fans dont even know a thing or two about football, while Inter fans are...well...insane? :devf:

Most of us would be satisfied with only one good forward and one decent midfielder, like Pato and Motta for example. I have even distanced myself from mentioning Zambrotta in every post, it simply doesnt help :grinser:

Now all I want is that Milan buys few great doctors and phisical theraphists to take care of our players that we have as we cant let anyone gets injured next season! Can I ask for less? :grinser:

Tony29.

09-07-2007, 13:30

Upsss, i guess i was wrong. Looks like Nedved will retire. NOT OFFICIAL....yet

Hasan Rossonero

09-07-2007, 13:39

Grimi has been loaned to Siena.

www.gazzetta.it

zlatanov

09-07-2007, 13:48

Upsss, i guess i was wrong. Looks like Nedved will retire. NOT OFFICIAL....yet
phewww, thank god ... I was just getting worried :D

seriously, though, tell mark77 to change his sources - Nedved is not retiring and will play at least for one more season at Juve (the two sides will stariaghten it out)
and remember, you heard it here fist :D

Ghost

09-07-2007, 13:51

teletext on Croatian RTL is saying( and quoting ) that Liverpool have made an offer and are close to sign Babel from Ajax...

Ajax rejected a bid of 10 Mill BP, they want something in the region of 13.5, Imho its pure robbery. Babel is overrated, I didnt even see him in the Euro championship.

sveto

09-07-2007, 14:10

I know that there is a pressure, that somehow suggest that a team must spend a lot of money in order to win. That does not work evrytime, example: real madrid last 4 years.

Giorgos

09-07-2007, 14:32

I know that there is a pressure, that somehow suggest that a team must spend a lot of money in order to win. That does not work evrytime, example: real madrid last 4 years.

Sveto men, Real Madrid has not anything to do with Milan. Real (because i support them is Spain) sold Makelele who was the best df in the world and it was making tranfers only to sell t-shirts, they only bought players to make dribbles without the team real needs.

We need new players to fill the gaps we have as a team.

My opinion is that Milan to be perfect needed:

1) A GK to play aside to Dida, like Amelia

2) A lb Jankulofski isn't a lb is a Lm

3) A CB to play along Nesta and to be helped by Maldini (Il Capitano giving him advices for future)

4) A player to replace Pirlo, Riquelme would be to excellent for the bech, but they were too many others like Maresca.

5) 2 Strikers, an experienced one (Sheva, Drogba, Adriano, Eto'o et.c) and one future like Pato, Huntelaat et.c

.... and what is happening we have only bought Ba and a 16 years old striker,

Well done

Hasan Rossonero

09-07-2007, 15:15

The deal between Camo and Juve is almost complete.

www.gazzetta.it

Stitch

09-07-2007, 15:24

Mystik

09-07-2007, 15:37

Sveto men, Real Madrid has not anything to do with Milan. Real (because i support them is Spain) sold Makelele who was the best df in the world and it was making tranfers only to sell t-shirts, they only bought players to make dribbles without the team real needs.

We need new players to fill the gaps we have as a team.

My opinion is that Milan to be perfect needed:

1) A GK to play aside to Dida, like Amelia

2) A lb Jankulofski isn't a lb is a Lm

3) A CB to play along Nesta and to be helped by Maldini (Il Capitano giving him advices for future)

4) A player to replace Pirlo, Riquelme would be to excellent for the bech, but they were too many others like Maresca.

5) 2 Strikers, an experienced one (Sheva, Drogba, Adriano, Eto'o et.c) and one future like Pato, Huntelaat et.c

.... and what is happening we have only bought Ba and a 16 years old striker,

Well done
We only need 1 striker this year and we don't need a GK as yet. Neither do we need a CB because we have Bonera Kaladze Nesta Paolo Simic all playing CB.

We need only 3 additions. A versatile midfielder, a LB and 1 support striker.

drucurl

09-07-2007, 15:50

We only need 1 striker this year and we don't need a GK as yet. Neither do we need a CB because we have Bonera Kaladze Nesta Paolo Simic all playing CB.

We need only 3 additions. A versatile midfielder, a LB and 1 support striker.

we only want ONE good player...either a good LB a CAM or a ST FWD that's ALL it seems we can't even get that :wallbang:

In other news Quaresma is not at Pool and his athletico move has fallen :D

Jim_UK

09-07-2007, 16:03

We only need 1 striker this year

Boriello is gone and Oliveira is almost certainly going to depart as well. Which leaves us with 3 strikers. Inzaghi & Ronaldo are both injury prone and who knows which Gilardino will turn up. If we're keeping Pozzi then fine, 1 striker is all we need, if not then we will need 2.

we don't need a GK as yet. Neither do we need a CB because we have Bonera Kaladze Nesta Paolo Simic all playing CB.

Abbiati has gone, Coppola has gone and Storari is set to go also. Which leaves us with Dida, the unpredictable and frankly useless Kalac and Fiori, a man who has retired more times than he's played. Now if Storari does stay, then fine. If he does go, we will surely need another keeper.

In terms of CB, alot will depend on wether Simic leaves like he keeps threatening too or if he shuts his mouth and stays put.

In the end we will all see our squad strengths differently. If we suffered an injury to any 2 of Kaka, Ronaldo, Pirlo ... the squad doesn't have the necessary quality to cope without them.

In other news Quaresma is not at Pool

yet :D

Mystik

09-07-2007, 16:05

What makes you think that? We were firmly linked to at least good strikers and good mids and Abidal/Zambro were both LB's. So I assume that is what we're looking for on the market.

sveto

09-07-2007, 16:43

Sinse Malouda joined Chelsea, that pretty much clear the path for Sheva to catch the plane to Malpensa!!!!

SANT

09-07-2007, 17:09

Malouda is more a left winger than an attacker... the one leaving would be Robben, not Sheva... at least based on positions.

rosoneri_11

09-07-2007, 17:13

Then how about Robben? He is one of the best LM on the world.

Stezagud

09-07-2007, 17:20

Mourinho has lost patience with Robben and Malouda is being brought in to either replace him outright or provide some real competition for the position. I guess it depends on Robbens character now, he could stay at Chelsea and fight for his place or more likely he will now want to leave :D

rosoneri_11

09-07-2007, 17:21

I now that is tribal but.............................the news seems very good.

Pato wins over AC Milan president Berlusconi
tribalfooball.com - July 09, 2007

AC Milan president Silvio Berlusconi plans to step up their pursuit of Internacional de Porto Alegre starlet Alexandre Pato.
The 17 year-old forward has been watched by Berlusconi during the U20 World Cup, says Gazzetta dello Sport, and the Rossoneri supremo has told club officials: "This kid is great."

Milan attempted to setup a deal for Pato last year before the Toyota Cup, but have since dropped back in the queue behind Chelsea and Inter for the 17 year-old superkid.

Hasan Rossonero

09-07-2007, 17:24

Hasan Rossonero

09-07-2007, 17:25

Malouda is more a left winger than an attacker... the one leaving would be Robben, not Sheva... at least based on positions.
Malouda can also play as a second striker.

Blacktop

09-07-2007, 17:39

Ghost

09-07-2007, 18:00

I'm tired of people judging Dida's entire season on the grounds of two measly games. It bugs the [expletive] out of me.

There were other games also..

Stitch

09-07-2007, 18:31

Look who is talking :D do you ever comment any FIELD players? :grinser:

e-Milan

09-07-2007, 18:31

Now all I want is that Milan buys few great doctors and phisical theraphists to take care of our players that we have as we cant let anyone gets injured next season! Can I ask for less? :grinser:

Milan also need them to take care of the fans as we might get heart attack by knowing that we got no player added at the end of mercato :bri:

mrki

09-07-2007, 18:36

Galliani spoke on Milan channel and said this:

- He recived a telephone call from Mijatovic today as he said in the name of Calderon that Real MAdrid will let go of Kaka' possible transfer... ( if Galliani isnt lying )
- Our possible forward is Brazilian...
- Oliveira will go on 1 year loan at Zaragoza...

Warro Bantan

09-07-2007, 18:44

"Our possible forward is Brazilian"....so sayeth Uncle Fester...ok, that rules out Etoo, and leaves only what, 2,444, 346 players, and to narrow that down a little..who have we shown interest in so far?

Pato, Ronaldinho (not a striker, but a forward), and who else thats Brazilian? Fred? No, has a long term injury from the Copa....Ronaldo...nope he plays for us already...Sobis? Doubt it...so, my lack of knowledge forces me to think that it was the aformentioned two that Uncle Fester is talking about.

Good news methinks!!

mrki

09-07-2007, 18:47

I now think that it will be Pato. Carlo wants him and even went to see ijm play in Canada ( not sure if that was good or bad thing :) ). Ronaldinho will not leave Barca, Eto'o is still not Brazilian, and Adriano wants us Im sure but Moratti would kill himself if Adriano suceedes in Milan.

Warro Bantan

09-07-2007, 18:51

Sounds like option 3 is the best for all parties concerned:

Inter fans will be glad to be rid of a "loser owner"
Adriano will be overjoyed to join Ronaldo and Kaka
Etoo wont have to worry about giving up his Camaroon citizenship for a Brazilian passport (according to mrki, i.e. Etoo is still not Brazilizn) :D

GilAttack [11]

09-07-2007, 18:56

Our next transfer coming from Brazil? Wow, Im shocked.

:rolleyes:

Hasan Rossonero

09-07-2007, 18:58

zlatanov

09-07-2007, 19:05

I think it could also be Afonso Alves of Heerenveen. He scored something like 34 goals this past season. He is 26 years old.

I think it will be one of Ronaldinho, Pato, or Alves.

I really hope IT'S NOT FRED!
after RO, I doubt Alves is even on the extended list of options ... I wouldn't put too much weight on the "Brazilian" clue Galliani dropped as it was more or less expected, not counting Etoo.

And still, I somehow doubt Milan would put their front line in the hands of someone like Pato, or even Rossi, just yet ... so I am still expecting a more established player to come this summer, which wouldn't necessarily exclude a Pato or Rossi transfer with the future in mind.

EDIT:
this is what Galliani said on Milan channel (if tuttomercato is seen as unreliable it is because they simply relay what other sources have to say but when the source is a good one, the reports are unaltered):
http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/index.php?action=read&id=66648

he basically says that the new forward COULD be Brazilian but it's not Adriano

ThrusT

09-07-2007, 19:11

after RO, I doubt Alves is even on the extended list of options ... I wouldn't put too much weight on the "Brazilian" clue Galliani dropped as it was more or less expected, not counting Etoo.

And still, I somehow doubt Milan would put their front line in the hands of someone like Pato, or even Rossi, just yet ... so I am still expecting a more established player to come this summer, which wouldn't necessarily exclude a Pato or Rossi transfer with the future in mind.
Ok, Zlat let's say we go for Rossi/Pato and an expierenced striker.
Lets just suggest that we can exclude Eto'o because he will not leave Barca and Ronaldinho because he's not a pure striker.Also Adriano because he is unstable at the moment.
Who else out there is available, expierenced and top class and Brazilian(not counting Eto'o)?

Grtz

Tony29.

09-07-2007, 19:14

phewww, thank god ... I was just getting worried :D

seriously, though, tell mark77 to change his sources - Nedved is not retiring and will play at least for one more season at Juve (the two sides will stariaghten it out)
and remember, you heard it here fist :D
Mark wasn't my source. His sources were my sources in this case ;)
The problem with Nedved isn't of a material nature, i think. It's more about his future...where he will be when he'll be 41 years old ! Moggi promissed him a place in Juve managment while it looks like Blanc and Secco have other plans.
Nedved didn't retire yet..... his final decission will be known tomorrow or the day after tomorrow

Hasan Rossonero

09-07-2007, 19:15

after RO, I doubt Alves is even on the extended list of options ... I wouldn't put too much weight on the "Brazilian" clue Galliani dropped as it was more or less expected, not counting Etoo.

And still, I somehow doubt Milan would put their front line in the hands of someone like Pato, or even Rossi, just yet ... so I am still expecting a more established player to come this summer, which wouldn't necessarily exclude a Pato or Rossi transfer with the future in mind.

EDIT:
this is what Galliani said on Milan channel (if tuttomercato is seen as unreliable it is because they simply relay what other sources have to say but when the source is a good one, the reports are unaltered):
http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/index.php?action=read&id=66648

he basically says that the new forward COULD be Brazilian but it's not Adriano

Yeah that says it could be Brazilian. Scratch Alves off then. I was just throwing names out there.

zlatanov

09-07-2007, 19:23

Ok, Zlat let's say we go for Rossi/Pato and an expierenced striker.
Lets just suggest that we can exclude Eto'o because he will not leave Barca and Ronaldinho because he's not a pure striker.Also Adriano because he is unstable at the moment.
Who else out there is available, expierenced and top class and Brazilian(not counting Eto'o)?

Grtz
there aren't many of those available and that's why I think Milan will do everything to get either Dinho or etoo with Sheva as a back up solution ... I don't think Drogba would leave Chelski, at least not this summer.
Trez, I think he belongs here too, is at least for now out of reach for obvious reasons.

There are a number of good strikers, although probably not as established and world class as those mentioned, but they would still cost a lot of money, like Diego Milito, or have injury problem right now (Amauri, Fred), or would be to an extent a gamble (Quagliarella, Cassano).
Huntelaar, I don't see as an alternative unless one of Gila or Pippo leave as he is too similar to them.

All in all, I think it would be one of Dinho, Etoo, Sheva ... if not, as a last resort, I guess we could bring in one of Pato or Rossi but I still think it is too early for them to come to Milan.

Ghost

09-07-2007, 20:39

I think the Brazillian will be Robihnio

Blacktop

09-07-2007, 21:12

I'm tired of Galliani's hard-on with Brazilian players, considering our last one was an absolute bust (Oli). How about someone actually qualified for the position? Ho hum, another usual summer of tossing out big names and then fans being disappointed in the end.

Robinho? God forbid.

hitmannq8

10-07-2007, 02:40

If I were you I would just ignore Galliani's clue about the striker being Brazilian, all I think he's doing is trying to create suspense for us Milan fans for us to start speculating who may it be.

Robinho? A good option indeed, better than Pato and Rossi. But still Cassano or Adriano would be better gambles. Dinho? Rumours are fading away day by day, some Milanista's think that that is a good thing. Eto'o? I would bet he ain't coming after all the crap he been saying about us like "Milan will only ever have a picture of me" and BS like that. I aint a fan.

What is the date that the players will return to training? I think our signing (if we already secured the player) should be a day or two before the date that the players are meant to meet.

Maltese Charlie

10-07-2007, 02:49

Giovanni

10-07-2007, 04:07

The rumours behind Eto'o being bitter to Milan's board have reliably reported that he was ready to come to Milano, but his wage request was too high and he was also pissed off with Milan board because the firstly asked about Ronaldinho, ignoring him.

I don't think Barcelona can keep 4 major stars upfront. I think we can still work about one between Ronaldinho and Eto'o.

Anyway we can sign just one extra- EU. Milan has to invest in a reliable established player, and keep an eye on future promises like Pato and Rossi, whose arrival can be diverted in months or seasons to come in many ways.

Pato would arrive in January; there's a chance he can join us immediately, bringing all his family to Italy.
Signing Pato would end Eto'o rumours: i think both are extra- EU.

Rossi can be co-owned with Parma and left a season there, as long as we have more room and he confirms himself.

Giorgos

10-07-2007, 04:30

We only need 1 striker this year and we don't need a GK as yet. Neither do we need a CB because we have Bonera Kaladze Nesta Paolo Simic all playing CB.

We need only 3 additions. A versatile midfielder, a LB and 1 support striker.

Mystic men, i just wrote what will be ideal, not what is essense at the moment :5ok: .

Giorgos

10-07-2007, 05:22

Maltese Charlie

10-07-2007, 05:57

Milan: Rinnovato il contratto al francese Gourcuff

11:20 del 10 luglio

Il Milan comunica di aver prolungato il contratto che lega il centrocampista francese Yoann Gourcuff alla società rossonera fino al 30 giugno 2012.

(calciomercato.com)

Siregar

10-07-2007, 06:19

Hasan Rossonero

10-07-2007, 06:24

And in English?

Milan have renewed Gourcuff's contract until 2012.

Siregar

10-07-2007, 06:35

Thanks, Hasan. And when would his last contract end?

He is playing for Milan only 1 year and not yet being the starting line-up player but already got contract's extension. Milan is really serious with this player, IMO.

Hasan Rossonero

10-07-2007, 06:46

Ghost

10-07-2007, 06:49

They probably wanted to see if he was good enough in the first year.

Reports in Engalnd suggest Oba is ready to leave Newcastle if his wages are not met, cant we go for him? Hes the only Inter player I liked to be honest.

Tony29.

10-07-2007, 06:57

ThrusT

10-07-2007, 07:04

What's wrong with Real Madrid :rolleyes:

They just bought Pepe for .....tamtararaaaaam......28 million Euro !!!!!

Pepe, Helguera, Metzelder, Cannavaro ...... none of the 4 strikes me as someone who'd accept the bench. Maybe it's bye bye Cannavaro?
Christ 28 mil. :grinser:

Doubt Canna is going anywhere, Metzelder and perhaps Helguera will accept the bench.

Tony29.

10-07-2007, 07:15

Christ 28 mil. :grinser:

Doubt Canna is going anywhere, Metzelder and perhaps Helguera will accept the bench.
I guess they will, but since CD pair plays most of the season together ( in this case Pepe-Canna) Metzelder and Helguera can only hope for an injury of one of Canna-Pepe to get a playing time.
Metzelder was a God in Dortmund and Germany and if his career was going downhill after the injury you can imagine where he's career will go if he spents the next year(s) on Real bench.
Helguera is 32, so he could accept the bench, but he's a player with over 300 matches played in Real jersey. He should be threated as a symbol of the club, like Milan , for example, is threating it's symbols. He was always a starter for Real when they were winning CL or La Liga and he was playing always good and was always very useful. Real would be disrespecting him if they put him on the bench. After all , why should a 34 years old Cannavaro , who is a noone in Madrid, be threated better than Helguera ?
It all depends on Schuster. I believe Pepe was his choice and Pepe will probably have a guaranteed place in starting XI. If Schuster wants someone new to be Pepe's partner or if he wants Helguera , Ramos or Metzelder to be the one, then i'm sure Canna won't accept the bench and he'll ask for a transfer.

Edit : And lets not forget , Schuster is German, just like Metzelder !

mrki

10-07-2007, 07:22

Metzelder and Helguera are solid players but nothing special, If Milan bought one of them we would all be moaning about it. Pepe-Cannavaro could be the combination, but in Madrid they are so stupid that in the end they could even sell Fabio! Maybe they dont like Fabio's at all :)

Any news about Nedved Tony?

TG24 says Milan will again try for Sheva this week, and Ronaldinho is still Silvios dream. While Braida doesnt want to comment on anything...

mrki

10-07-2007, 07:36

Tony29.

10-07-2007, 07:44

Barcellona, Rijkaard: "Ronaldinho andrà al Milan"
10.07.2007 13.15 di Giuseppe Di Napoli articolo letto 2425 volte
Il tecnico Riijaard avrebbe confidato ad un paio giocatori della vecchia guardia blaugrana che uno dei gioielli catalani andrà via e che molto probabilmente sarà Ronaldinho, fortemente voluto dal Milan.
Stasera ci sarà un vertice tra Galliani e Berlusconi, deciso a sferrare l'affondo decisivo: 100 milioni per il cartellino, 8 milioni di ingaggio e diritti d'immagine totalmente gestiti dal brasiliano.
Lo riferisce Studio Sport che ha ripreso un'indiscrezione del sito catalano deporte.es.
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hehe...
Don't laugh about something most of the guys here don't even understand :)

Here's the translation in short :
The headline says .... Rijkaard : Ronaldinho will go to Milan
One of Barca's jewels will leave the team and it will probably be Ronaldinho , who's been strongly wanted by Milan.
Tonight there will be a meeting between Berlusconi and Galliani and they'll decide about Dinho and the offer : 100m Euro to Barcelona, 8m euro for Dinho per year and all his image rights will be left to him.
Studio Sport reported this but they took it from Catalonian site deporte.es

Edit : No news about Nedved, Mrki. Camoranesi will renew the contract today but Nedved will decide in next few days. It all depends on Juve's final offer !

ThrusT

10-07-2007, 07:55

I guess they will, but since CD pair plays most of the season together ( in this case Pepe-Canna) Metzelder and Helguera can only hope for an injury of one of Canna-Pepe to get a playing time.
Metzelder was a God in Dortmund and Germany and if his career was going downhill after the injury you can imagine where he's career will go if he spents the next year(s) on Real bench.
Helguera is 32, so he could accept the bench, but he's a player with over 300 matches played in Real jersey. He should be threated as a symbol of the club, like Milan , for example, is threating it's symbols. He was always a starter for Real when they were winning CL or La Liga and he was playing always good and was always very useful. Real would be disrespecting him if they put him on the bench. After all , why should a 34 years old Cannavaro , who is a noone in Madrid, be threated better than Helguera ?
It all depends on Schuster. I believe Pepe was his choice and Pepe will probably have a guaranteed place in starting XI. If Schuster wants someone new to be Pepe's partner or if he wants Helguera , Ramos or Metzelder to be the one, then i'm sure Canna won't accept the bench and he'll ask for a transfer.

Edit : And lets not forget , Schuster is German, just like Metzelder !
You are right, but I just can't see Metzelder in the starting 11.
Canna-Pepe indeed.I doubt Helguera will be given a special treatment by Real, latest years they've just become respectless bastards.. :zany:

I hope Nedved will play one season more, I would love to see him in Serie A again. :)

icculus

10-07-2007, 07:59

wow 100M offer for dhino?
couldnt we get:
zambrotta, pato, rossi, huntlear, and cassano for this price?

seal up lb...and
have 3 great forwards for the future...and
get established forward for the next couple years?

Milan could be set for forwards for the next 10 years at least...in one summer?

Tony29.

10-07-2007, 08:01

wow 100M?
couldnt we get:
zambrotta, pato, rossi, huntlear, and cassano for this price?

seal up lb...and
have 3 great forwards for the future...and
get established forward for the next couple years?

Milan could be set for forwards for the next 10 years at least...in one summer?
I doubt Milan will pay 100m for Dinho ( i believe 100m is his release clause??), pay him 8m per year and won't take a piece of the cake called "Dinho's image rights".
I'm sure Milan is really trying to get Dinho, but i don't find the info about the numbers presented in that article reliable.

zlatanov

10-07-2007, 08:02

Barcellona, Rijkaard: "Ronaldinho andrà al Milan"
10.07.2007 13.15 di Giuseppe Di Napoli articolo letto 2425 volte
Il tecnico Riijaard avrebbe confidato ad un paio giocatori della vecchia guardia blaugrana che uno dei gioielli catalani andrà via e che molto probabilmente sarà Ronaldinho, fortemente voluto dal Milan.
Stasera ci sarà un vertice tra Galliani e Berlusconi, deciso a sferrare l'affondo decisivo: 100 milioni per il cartellino, 8 milioni di ingaggio e diritti d'immagine totalmente gestiti dal brasiliano.
Lo riferisce Studio Sport che ha ripreso un'indiscrezione del sito catalano deporte.es.
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hehe...

shocking news, totally unexpected indeed

:D

anyways, those 100 mil to Barca won't go too well with Silvio and Galliani as their offer is gonna be probably around 50 mil, maybe less, and would expect to close the deal for something between 50 and 60 mil at most ... that's not 2 years ago when Dinho would have easily cost 100 mil just in transfer fees.

ThrusT

10-07-2007, 08:06

Think the 100M / 8M for Barca/Dinho is a bit exagerated. :grinser:
Berlu will pay for this anyway so I don't really give a damn..
Rossi,... will be bought with Milan funds not with Berlu's mobster money, I think?:)

Tony29.

10-07-2007, 08:10

Fiorentina officials are in England to table a bid for Manchester United’s Azzurrini starlet Giuseppe Rossi, according to Italian Press reports.

Since selling Luca Toni to Bayern Munich for £7.5m, the Viola have been searching for a new high-profile hitman before the new campaign gets underway.

Rossi has become a wanted man since spending an impressive spell on loan to Parma last season and a bidding war is set to begin.

The Ducali have expressed their intention to bring the USA-born marksman back to the Stadio Tardini, but Milan are also interested and now it seems the Tuscans are ready to invest heavily in the 20-year-old.

Fiorentina sporting director Pantaleo Corvino is reportedly ready to offer £8m with Rossi netting around £800,000 per season as a starting salary.

Manchester United have set £10m as their asking price, but are likely to accept the Gigliati’s proposal as it is thought to dwarf Parma’s effort while Milan are yet to make any approach.

Channel4

zlatanov

10-07-2007, 08:14

there is a good chance Rossi won't be bought at all as Fiorentina seem to be more interested in him now ... if Milan gets Dinho, I would expect one of Pato or Rossi (Pato most likely) to be secured too but not for this season.

And it is still not sure what's the situation around Dinho's citizenship - he has applyed for a spanish pass but tgcom wrote that he still hasn't received it and while in SPain he is already counted as a EU player, that might not be the case if he transfers to Milan.

If we can get him as a EU player, I wouldn't mind that non-EU spot to be "spent" on a certain Argentinian midfielder, Riquelme is his name even if we could get him on loan from Villarreal ;).

EDIT: and Tony beat me to it, for a change :D

Hasan Rossonero

10-07-2007, 08:17

I think 100 million is hard to believe but the salary will be around there. Ronaldo makes 5 million at Milan but has his image rights, which propels him into the 8+ category.

I think Milan would probably give Ronaldinho 6.5 + image rights.

Image rights per year are not that much. For example, shirt sales etc. falls into merchandising and Milan will make money from that. Furthermore, they could also make a deal (like Barca did with Henry) which stipulates that whenever Ronaldinho appears in Milan colours, the money goes to Milan, and whenever Dinho appears in personal sponsor apparel he pockets the cash.

Tony29.

10-07-2007, 08:25

Il nuovo allenatore del Real Madrid Bernd Schuster ha confermato l'ingaggio dell'attaccante argentino Javier Saviola.
Gazzetta dello sport

Saviola will play for Real. Schuster confirmed it

How many attackers they have now ?
RVN, RAul, Saviola, Robinho, Higuain, Cassano, Soldado.

Cassano will leave for sure but there are still many attackers and they don't need all of them

zlatanov

10-07-2007, 08:25

right now Dinho is believed to be getting around 8 mil at Barca but the thing is that he seems to be getting a big percentage of his image rights too, unlike other players.

That was mentioned by an article in gazzetta some time ago which was arguing how SPanish teams, read Barca and Real, could sustain such high revenues yet pay their players big salaries. That articlementioned that image rights in spain almost in all cases go exclusively to the club, at least most of the money, and thus the players would end up paying a big part of their own salaries ... one exception was mentioned, though, and that was Dinho, who was supposedly getting most, if not all, of the money coming from his image rights.

If that is true, I guess 7-8 mil + his entire image rights package (depending on how much money it would bring him) would be the bare minimum for his salary should he come to Milan.

King tiger

10-07-2007, 08:32

so zlat, r u going to accept 8 millions per year or ? ? ? :D

Stitch

10-07-2007, 08:54

I think I'm the first who mentioned Riquelme to Milan on this thread, a month or two ago. Everybody were against me, but look at you now :zany:

mrki

10-07-2007, 09:07

If we buy one non EU player now, can we still get Pato in january?

Im not sure Laporta will sell Dinho for less then 70 mil or so. And Im sure Berlu is ready to spend that much. We'll see soon I suppose, today in the meeting between Galliani and Berlusconi I think...

zlatanov

10-07-2007, 09:11

I think I'm the first who mentioned Riquelme to Milan on this thread, a month or two ago. Everybody were against me, but look at you now :zany:
of course, before you mentioned him, he was a nobody, an unknown player ... how could we possibly want a player without having ever heard of him :zany: :grinser:

I doubt anyone here is questioning Riquelme's quality as a player but his character remains a suspect and that's the main reason why most people didn't and don't want him at Milan ...

of course there are also those who would want him just for the sake of seeing Milan get a new player and Riquelme's name is only one on a very long list of randomly selected names :diablo:

almilan

10-07-2007, 09:17

Don't laugh about something most of the guys here don't even understand :)

Here's the translation in short :
The headline says .... Rijkaard : Ronaldinho will go to Milan
One of Barca's jewels will leave the team and it will probably be Ronaldinho , who's been strongly wanted by Milan.
Tonight there will be a meeting between Berlusconi and Galliani and they'll decide about Dinho and the offer : 100m Euro to Barcelona, 8m euro for Dinho per year and all his image rights will be left to him.
Studio Sport reported this but they took it from Catalonian site deporte.es

Edit : No news about Nedved, Mrki. Camoranesi will renew the contract today but Nedved will decide in next few days. It all depends on Juve's final offer !

How reliable is studio sport?

zlatanov

10-07-2007, 09:24

How reliable is studio sport?
as reliable as any source we have never heard of :D

King tiger

10-07-2007, 09:25

nothing about ronaldinho on calciomercato....

zlatanov

10-07-2007, 09:32

nothing about ronaldinho on calciomercato....
you aren't looking at the "correct" calciomercato:
http://www.calciomercato.it/dettaglioNewsCategoria.asp?hdnIdCategoria=2&hdnId=9964

happy now :D

King tiger

10-07-2007, 09:38

you aren't looking at the "correct" calciomercato:
http://www.calciomercato.it/dettaglioNewsCategoria.asp?hdnIdCategoria=2&hdnId=9964

happy now :D

yeah , very happy :D :D: D: :5chore:

ThrusT

10-07-2007, 09:39

nothing about ronaldinho on calciomercato....
Zlat found it, but does it actually matter?
I mean, they probably just wrote a slightly edited version of Studio Sport's report and SS( :rolleyes:) wrote a slightly edited version of the article posted by a Spanish site.
So it all comes down to the same thing eventually. :)
I give it a 45% reliability rating. :grinser:

EDIT : Saviola is now a Real Merdid player too?
http://www.goal.com/en/articolo.aspx?contenutoid=348995

rosoneri_11

10-07-2007, 09:42

I think I'm the first who mentioned Riquelme to Milan on this thread, a month or two ago. :zany:

And i i'm the first who mentioned Quagliarella at MM. I was the first who talked about that player and how good he is.
And now he is making me proud! :diablo:

Hasan Rossonero

10-07-2007, 09:46

It's on tgcom. The information about the meeting may be true, but the Rijkaard quotation may not be. If you think about it, it's not earth shattering news.

zlatanov

10-07-2007, 10:06

And i i'm the first who mentioned Quagliarella at MM. I was the first who talked about that player and how good he is.
And now he is making me proud! :diablo:
actually, I don't think it would be possible to name a player you haven't mentioned at MM first :grinser:

and some more spicy Dinho food for the starving Milan fans :D
http://canali.libero.it/affaritaliani/sport/milanronaldinho1007.html

Mystik

10-07-2007, 10:32

If Dinho comes, I doubt we'll buy any more strikers because Dinho would take the SS role and would be pretty much irreplaceable like Kaka is at AM. So then we have..3 strikers to fight for 1 place. Interesting to see how that'll work out.

Hasan Rossonero

10-07-2007, 10:35

One point: when the anti-Dinho to Milan crew put forth the argument that Kaka and Dinho can't play in the same team and then point to the Brazilian NT as a damning indictment, they forget that a club side has far more time to streamline a system. There are several places where I think Dinho can play (Seedorf springs to mind, as he is 31 this year, but to see him accept the bench is difficult). We'll most probably deploy Dinho (if we get him) behind a main striker as Mystik suggests, and having a creative player like Dinho behind a target man such as Inzaghi/Gila/Ronaldo would be superb.

Stitch

10-07-2007, 10:38

of course, before you mentioned him, he was a nobody, an unknown player ...

don't put words in my mouth :rolleyes: (or, should I say keyboard? :D ) I didn't say I "discovered" him, I just said that it was me who passed an idea to this thread, about Milan grabbing him, and everyone was all over me, he's awful, he's so slow, he has bad character, he isn't worth it blah blah. and now more and more of you are sugesting we should go for him.

Hasan Rossonero

10-07-2007, 10:40

From calciomercato.com:

Ribery: 'Ancelotti mi voleva portare al Milan'

16:10 del 10 luglio

Il trequartista francese Franck Ribery, passato dal Marsiglia al Bayern Monaco, ha dichiarato ai microfoni di Rai Sport: "Prima di siglare il mio trasferimento in Germania, Ancelotti mi ha telefonato, dicendomi che mi voleva portare al Milan. Poi non se ne è fatto più nulla perchè il presidente Berlusconi mi reputa un buon giocatore, ma preferisce puntare sull'acquisto di un attaccante".

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Ribery says that Ancelotti wanted me (Ribery, not Hasan) to come to Milan but although Berlu thinks Ribery is good, the president wanted an attacker.

Mystik

10-07-2007, 10:40

If Riquelme comes, who would he shove to the bench ? Kaka ?, Pirlo ?

King tiger

10-07-2007, 10:42

If Riquelme comes, who would he shove to the bench ? Kaka ?, Pirlo ?

Riquelme ? :D

( my 1000 th post :D )=

Ghost

10-07-2007, 10:56

I dont understand this as im sure the Milan camp stated we were going to go for a striker, R10 isnt a striker is he?

How would we play him in our system?

rosoneri_11

10-07-2007, 11:05

I dont understand this as im sure the Milan camp stated we were going to go for a striker, R10 isnt a striker is he?

How would we play him in our system?

Yes we can.We can play the Christmas Tree system.

-------------------------Ronaldo-----------------------------

-------------Ronaldinho--------------Kaka----------------------

--------Gourcuff-----------Pirlo---------------Gattuso---------

Janku---------------Kaladze---------Nesta------------Oddo--------

Remember we won the CL by playing that system.Not only at the final but many games, and also we played very beautifull football with that system.

Tony29.

10-07-2007, 11:06

Lets make something clear....the last thing about Dinho and Milan said by an official were Berlusconi's words ( or was it Galliani ?) who said that Laporta won't sell Dinho because he'll have to leave Spain if he does such a thing.
Nothing new has been said since then. The latest reports coming from deporte.es and also from the article Zlat gave above are just a thought of the authors. They say how Barcelona can't play all 4 of Henry-Eto'o-Dinho-Messi (nothing new here), then they give their reasons why Messi won't leave Barca (he's the youngest and the most perspective of them all) , why Henry won't leave Barcelona ( obviously, he won't leave them because he has just arived there) , why Eto'o won't leave Barcelona ( he said he wants nothing else but Barcelona) so it leaves only Dinho.

Now all this depends on wether Barcelona will use all 4 of them the next season or they will sell. From what has been said so far by men from Barcelona , they plan to keep all 4 of them, but since it's not very possible all of them to play together, journalists (and everyone else) think one of them will leave. According to the author of the last article ( this author is most probably someone like you and me. Without inside info but only making his own logical conclussion) we read, the one leaving will be Dinho !

So, as you can see, there's nothing new and unknown in the latest reports !

Btw, Dinho will be a mega accusition in financial terms.
He'll be getting 8m per year neto ( it means Milan will pay 16m per year) in the next 4 years. Only for his wages Milan will have to pay 64m euro. If another 60-70-80 mil are payed to Barcelona, then it gives a total of 125-145m euro for Ronaldinho only !

Hasan Rossonero

10-07-2007, 11:13

Yeah nothing new has been said since then. But I do believe that the news of the meeting may be true (between Galliani and Berlu). As for the economics, it's going to be insane, but I think this POSSIBLE move would be Berlusconi's "present".

Sleep

10-07-2007, 11:15

Henry said he could stay on the bench. I think it's possible to play all of them. But it's more possible that henry stays on the bench. He is a new comer, 3 other players are playing very well... So let's say all of them will stay and henry on the bench:D. For our Milan who doesn't want to pay much and always sign old players or free players it's hard to believe they pay that much money for only Ronaldinho. To be fair, Ronaldinho is no longer worth that money, I think only Messi and Kaka are worth that money now.

zlatanov

10-07-2007, 11:22

don't put words in my mouth :rolleyes: (or, should I say keyboard? :D ) I didn't say I "discovered" him, I just said that it was me who passed an idea to this thread, about Milan grabbing him, and everyone was all over me, he's awful, he's so slow, he has bad character, he isn't worth it blah blah. and now more and more of you are sugesting we should go for him.
sorry, stitchy, my apologies if I hurt your feelings :5inter: ... but you know I am an evil bastard so you should have expected that from me :diablo: :grinser:

and dear Milan fans, don't listen to that jealous Juventino Tony ... the reports on Dinho coming to Milan are ROCK SOLID :D ... Tony is just being bitter that Milan is getting Dinho while Juve can hardly keep even Nedved on board
:grinser:

Henry said he could stay on the bench. I think it's possible to play all of them. But it's more possible that henry stays on the bench. He is a new comer, 3 other players are playing very well... So let's say all of them will stay and henry on the bench:D. For our Milan who doesn't want to pay much and always sign old players or free players it's hard to believe they pay that much money for only Ronaldinho. To be fair, Ronaldinho is no longer worth that money, I think only Messi and Kaka are worth that money now.
Henry saying he would accept the bench at Barca?! ... yeah, right, I would love to lay my eyes on that quote :D

as for Dinho, I agree that his price has fallen down a lot over the past 1-2 years but for that much money a move for any player would be a risky affair.
today, I wouldn't value Dinho at more than 40-45 mil (etoo at 30-35).

Hasan Rossonero

10-07-2007, 11:24

Galliani rivela la telefonata con Mijatovic: «Kakà resta, e senza clausole» «D’altronde non ha mai chiesto niente del genere e in ogni caso il Milan non avrebbe accettato».

Niente clausole, siamo al Milan. L’ha ribadito ieri sera Adriano Galliani intervenendo a Milan Channel, svelando, a proposito del caos-Kakà anche un importante retroscena: « Domenica mi ha telefonato Mijatovic, a nome del presidente Calderon, dicendomi di stare molto tranquillo: il Real Madrid ha mollato la “presa” su Kakà che per il club spagnolo resterà un sogno, anche perchè il suo contratto verrà prolungato fino al 2012. Lo ripeto: senza l’inserimento di nessuna clausola, tanto meno recissoria a favore di Kakà. Non l’ha mai chiesta, non vuole chiederla e, ammesso che lo voglia fare, non gliela concederemo!».

Oggi, intanto, Leonardo dovrebbe essere presentato ufficialmente al presidente Berlusconi nella sua nuova veste dirigenziale. Pregiata, preziosa, importante. Fondamentale soprattutto per la gestione di Kakà. Già nei prossimi giorni, come annunciato, il brasiliano po*rebbe tornare a San Paolo. Dove incontrerà Bosco Leite, papà-manager di Ricky, al quale sottoporrà subito per la firma il ricco (1 milione di euro a stagione) contratto quinquennale per il secondogenito Digao.

Il Milan, a proposito di clausole, chiederà anche all’ingegner Bosco di presentarsi all’appuntamento fissato la prossima settimana a Milano da solo o al massimo con lo stesso Ricky senza farsi accompagnare e rappresentare da pseudo*agenti o intermediari poco affidabili. In via Turati c’è in concreto sospetto che il polverone sollevato dal Real Madrid sia stato alimentato da individui che stanno creando solo una pericolosa confusione.

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http://www.goal.com/it/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=349140

In short: Mijatovic has said on behalf of Calderon that Real have let go of Kaka affair. Also Galliani then says that there will be no clause (for rescinding), nor has Kaka asked for it, nor does he want to ask for it, and if, for some reason he does, Milan will not grant it (original story: Corriere).

Tony29.

10-07-2007, 11:24

To be fair, Ronaldinho is no longer worth that money, I think only Messi and Kaka are worth that money now.
It's Berlusca's money. If it won't hurt Milan's transfer policy and if Milan as a club won't lose anything from this purchase, then it will be totally foolish to say no to Dinho.
Every single team can only benefit from Ronaldinho.

What i don't understand are the positions of the players Milan is after. I know you'll disagree but i think Galliani , Berlu and Ancelotti have no clear vision what do they want and need..... or maybe they all have different vision and plans.
Because, if you buy Dinho, why would you need Suazo, Eto'o or Shevchenko ?
Milan was obviously after Suazo and then after Eto'o.
So, was it only one of Eto'o and Dinho or Milan needs both of them ? And if it's both of them, will Milan play 4-2-2-2 or 4-3-2-1 ? If it's 4-3-2-1 then why is Milan after a top class attacker ? And why was Milan offering money for Tiago ?
Yeah, yeah, squad depth...but you don't offer 17m or 20m for a bench player, not in Italy.
Imo, Milan atm has no clear plan who do they want. Actually, i think Ancelotti and Berlu have different plans and that's not good !

Hasan Rossonero

10-07-2007, 11:26

It's Berlusca's money. If it won't hurt Milan's transfer policy and if Milan as a club won't lose anything from this purchase, then it will be totally foolish to say no to Dinho.
Every single team can only benefit from Ronaldinho.

What i don't understand are the positions of the players Milan is after. I know you'll disagree but i think Galliani , Berlu and Ancelotti have no clear vision what do they want and need..... or maybe they all have different vision and plans.
Because, if you buy Dinho, why would you need Suazo, Eto'o or Shevchenko ?
Milan was obviously after Suazo and then after Eto'o.
So, was it only one of Eto'o and Dinho or Milan needs both of them ? And if it's both of them, will Milan play 4-2-2-2 or 4-3-2-1 ? If it's 4-3-2-1 then why is Milan after a top class attacker ? And why was Milan offering money for Tiago ?
Yeah, yeah, squad depth...but you don't offer 17m or 20m for a bench player, not in Italy.
Imo, Milan atm has no clear plan who do they want. Actually, i think Ancelotti and Berlu have different plans and that's not good !

I think Dinho has been on the agenda for a while. Suazo etc. was independent of the Dinho purchase. I for one never believed that was going be our only purchase.

eltomas2

10-07-2007, 11:29

Berlusconi is man who knows economics pretty well, bringing R10 to Milan will have the same effect bringing Beckahm to Real Madrid had, more media attention, more fans, more curiosity, more money, more little kids will grow up idolizing Milan (specially a lot of young brazilian kids, hehe)...whatever money is invested in R10 most likely than not Milan will get back: R99, R10, + Kaka is the thing dreams are made of, a tough Italian defensive midfield and defense combined with a superb attacking Brazilian striker force is literally the best of 2 worlds...Berlu, as a lot of you have said already, wants to recreate the Dutch magic of the late 80s with Brazilian magic

Sleep

10-07-2007, 11:33

Tony29.

10-07-2007, 11:34

and dear Milan fans, don't listen to that jealous Juventino Tony ... the reports on Dinho coming to Milan are ROCK SOLID :D ... Tony is just being bitter that Milan is getting Dinho while Juve can hardly keep even Nedved on board
:grinser:
I'm pleased with the work Juve's BOD is doing.
According to you we should have lost Buffon, Trez and Camo by now.
So, Zlat, please say that we will lose Nedved and won't buy another good defender, pleaseeeeeeee :grinser:

Seriously, many Juventini will disagree with me, but what Juve did so far is amazing. Juve needed 2 CD's , 2 midfielders and 1 attacker and had a limited budget to buy these. So far Juve bought the best available for the money. And the greatest achievment was keeping Buffon, Trez, Camo in the team. If Nedved renews and another CD is bought then hats down to the BOD because they'll do the maximum. ( concidering Juve won't play CL next year, this will really be the maximum)

As for Milan, it's a totally different world. You are CL winners, you have much more money to spend on transfers and you can attract some stars that Juve can only dream of..... but so far you didn't do any of this and the only player you officially bought, according to your official site, was Suazo. We know how did that end.
To sum up ...... nothing to be jelaous of or being bitter !

;)
:diablo:

hwmook

10-07-2007, 11:38

You are CL winners,...... nothing to be jelaous of or being bitter !

definitely something to be jealous of, when was the last time juve can claim to be europe champs? :devf:

Tony29.

10-07-2007, 11:42

definitely something to be jealous of, when was the last time juve can claim to be europe champs? :devf:
1996 ( one thousand nine hundred ninety six)

zlatanov

10-07-2007, 11:42

Zlatan, It's a old news, I can still find it. But in a Asian language, can you understand? :grinser:
I don't doubt that you've read it but how true was what you read.
All I remember reading about Henry was that he was sure he could play in one team with Messi, Dinho and Etoo but nothing even remotely about him accepting the bench.
If Henry had said something like that, the western media would have had it on their front pages for a week, which is what makes me doubt the whole story and I would guess that either his words were twisted in that artcile or entirely invented.

rosoneri_11

10-07-2007, 11:44

Btw, Dinho will be a mega accusition in financial terms.
He'll be getting 8m per year neto ( it means Milan will pay 16m per year) in the next 4 years. Only for his wages Milan will have to pay 64m euro. If another 60-70-80 mil are payed to Barcelona, then it gives a total of 125-145m euro for Ronaldinho only !

Yes Tony, R10 transfer will accuse mega financial terms. But also will bring mega Milion euros in Milan fund!
Remember Real Madrid how much they earned from Beckham!

Beckham earned Real Madrid massive £315M

David Beckham's four years at Real Madrid made the Spanish giants a staggering £315 MILLION, it has been revealed.

Real marketing director Jose Sanchez told The Sun: "In four years that Beckham played in Madrid we have generated more than 440 million euros in marketing and commercial activities.

"In that time, profits from merchandising increased by 137 per cent."

The amazing figures do not even take into account the £115m which winning the Spanish title is worth.

LA Galaxy hope for a similar windfall after handing Beckham a £130m deal.

Beckham, 32, has a £10m-a-year contract with adidas, while other major deals are worth at least £11m a year.
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So buying R10 we will earn a lot of money for sure. We can earn back the 100m and his contract with a lot of more money that we gonna pay for him.

Tony29.

10-07-2007, 11:45

Zlatan
:haha: :haha: :haha:

Sorry Ibra, i couldn't resist :nervous:

Sleep

10-07-2007, 11:46

Juve beat Ajax that time, right? I was very sad that night, poor Ajax:(, poor Litmanen:(

Tony: what is so funny:D, I think our Zlatanov can be more famous if we call him short Zlatan:D

ZlatanOV: in the article, it quote henry's words shortly means: he is happy to come to barca. It's a very strong team so it's hard to be a starter. So he can wait.

Ghost

10-07-2007, 11:49

Ronaldo cannot be fully fit for the whole season, hes too injury prone. Pippo wont last the whole season as he cant play all the matches, so all we have left is Gilla.

Wow I cant wait.

Tony29.

10-07-2007, 11:49

Juve beat Ajax that time, right? I was very sad that night, poor Ajax:(, poor Litmanen:(
Yes, we revenged you :)

Btw, hwmook, when was the last time Milan were World Champions ? :zany:

Milanista4ever

10-07-2007, 11:53

Yes, we revenged you :)

Btw, hwmook, when was the last time Milan were World Champions ? :zany:
We lost it a few times recently but its a one-off game really and South Americans take it extremely seriously anyways... we still hold the record of winning it though, also losing it is nothing like losing CL.... in 5 months time Milan would get another crack at it you know ;)

Ghost

10-07-2007, 11:56

A club can't succeed in every transfer. It's the reason I think. If Milan had gotten dinho then no eto'o, no suazo.

I think it's the same reason that MU got both Anderson and Nani <both accept> :diablo:

Zlatan, It's a old news, I can still find it. But in a Asian language, can you understand? :grinser:

Trust me, I should know.

There is no way Henry will even consider being on the bench and Im sure before Barca even put a bid in for him they assured him of first team football. The type of person and character he is he wont settle for the bench, even in this season when he was injured he was too eager to come on to the field and play. He wouldnt of left a team of guaranteed first team football into another team where he will be kept on the bench. Its a bit like Chelsea getting Sheva and him saying he would be happy on the bench - what is the likeliness of that?

rosoneri_11

10-07-2007, 11:58

From:http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jul10e.html

Bianchi nears City switch Tuesday 10 July, 2007

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Manchester City have agreed a fee with Reggina for marksman Rolando Bianchi and the move is set to be completed on Wednesday.

The ex-Atalanta striker rose from obscurity to write his name on several Serie A shopping lists after firing the Calabrian minnows to top-flight survival last term with 18 goals.

A summer move was inevitable with Juventus and Napoli both allegedly lining up a swoop, but now it seems Bianchi is ready to ply his trade abroad and Manchester City are set to pounce.

New City boss Sven Goran Eriksson is an admirer of the 24-year-old and has encouraged the club’s owner Thaksin Shinawatra to table an offer of just under £9m with payment in three annual installments.

"We have reached a preliminary agreement with Manchester City for a transfer fee of £8.8m," Reggina President Pasquale Foti confirmed.

It had been suggested that Bianchi would favour a move to Spain with Atletico Madrid in the frame, but the La Liga side are yet to make any approach.

Messina’s Christian Rigano’ may be the former Atalanta ace's replacement at the Stadio Granillo.

The 33-year-old is keen to quit the Biancoscudati and has also been linked to Austrian side Red Bull Salzburg who are led by ex-Azzurri tactician Giovanni Trapattoni.
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Bye, bye Bianchi ! :mad: Galiani liked him a lot and proposed him to Carlo.

Warro Bantan

10-07-2007, 12:00

I think I'm the first who mentioned Riquelme to Milan on this thread, a month or two ago. Everybody were against me, but look at you now :zany:

You might claim that privilige Stitch, but I dont recall not wanting him to come to Milan...I have always thought he was an excellent player, though I confess to thinking that he probably wouldnt work in Milan´s tactical set up, until I saw how he has played with Messi on the pitch for Argentina in the ongoing Copa America tournament.

His languid style, (a la Pirlo) can be perfectly coordinated with a fast, dribbling attacker like Kaka, though Messi´s close control is way better than our Brazilian superstar´s, Kaka will be deft enough to use the space created by Riquelme to his advantage....Pirlo similar to Riquelme, but less of a dribbler, takes less time on the ball, and has perhaps a longer range of passing, but both are quick to see a player moving into space...and find him with a defense splitting pass.

I have said all that to say that IMO, Riquelme could fit into our system, but at the expense of Pirlo, and with the addition of Ambro, or Gourcuff....

Ultimately however, I dont really think the Argentine 10 will come to Milan, but I can sure argue a case for him so to do! :D

Sleep

10-07-2007, 12:14

Hasan Rossonero

10-07-2007, 12:25

Warro Bantan

10-07-2007, 12:53

Sleep, valid points on the Henry to Barca thingy, but I disagree that Barca would spend such a large amount of money (relatively speaking) and not have intentions to start him...likewise, I do not think Henry would give up a guaranteed starting place for the bench at another club...

Believe me, I am sure he was told he would be guaranteed a starting spot...he was Arsenal captain, and with his ego, I dont see him meekly sitting on the bench vs Valencia, Real Madrid, or any opponents Barca have in Europe...

Which lends credence to the thinking that Ronaldinho or Etoo would be on their way out...Etoo has declared to all who will listen that he isnt interested in Milan, which according to silly season rules, means nothing, likewise Galliani´s statement about the nationality of our next purchase in the attacking department.

Giorgos

10-07-2007, 13:11

If Riquelme comes, who would he shove to the bench ? Kaka ?, Pirlo ?

Nowhere, i ile also Riquelme very much but he can't play for us. Except if Pirlo, Kaka and Riquelme play together. The problem is who will defend? :grinser:

Giorgos

10-07-2007, 13:16

Yes we can.We can play the Christmas Tree system.

-------------------------Ronaldo-----------------------------

-------------Ronaldinho--------------Kaka----------------------

--------Gourcuff-----------Pirlo---------------Gattuso---------

Janku---------------Kaladze---------Nesta------------Oddo--------

Remember we won the CL by playing that system.Not only at the final but many games, and also we played very beautifull football with that system.

Sorry Ros, but i am old fashined, i prefer 2 strikers. However as someone else said here is the past, Barcelona cannot keep 4 big stars so Ro will probably come, i don't want him.

Ghost

10-07-2007, 13:33

@medellinbandit: I don't really understand you, the sentence "Trust me, I should know" :D. Everything is changing. Henry is 30 now. And comparing to Eto'o, Messi, Ronaldinho, he is not better than them. More than that, the three are working very well, Henry is a new comer, no way he can kick one of the three out to be a starter immediately. When Shevchenko went to Chelsea, there was no world class striker there, and at that time, maybe no striker in the world could kick Shevchenko out of a team. It's very diffirent between these two.

The reason I have said what I have is pretty much explained by Hasan. I have followed Henry ever since he left Juve for Arsenal back in 1999. I have watched him progress and as I may not know him personally I have a pretty good idea as most would do if they watched him as long as I have on his football decisions.

The first would easily be he would find it essential to be in the starting line up at Barcelona.

Tony29.

10-07-2007, 13:34

Cruyff says it's not possible all 4 of Barcelona stars to play together.

Rijkaard non potrà giocare regolarmente con quattro stelle di prim’ordine in attacco. A volte potrà accadere, ma solo eccezionalmente. Dipenderà dal gioco, dal tempo e dal risultato ma solitamente ci sono tre posti per quattro giocatori. In futuro però ci sarà la Coppa d'Africa e alcuni giocatori si allontaneranno, senza contare gli infortuni.."

Translation :
Rijkaard won't be able to use all 4 of them in the attack regularly. At times they can all play together. It will depend on the play, on the time and on the result but realisticaly there are only 3 spots available for 4 players. Still, there will be Coppa d'Africa and some of them won't be available (Eto'o) . Also , there are possible injuries .....

Jim_UK

10-07-2007, 14:04

I am going away for 3 days, i wonder if we will sign anyone while i'm gone?? :D

zlatanov

10-07-2007, 14:06

its official now - Dinho to Milan is a done deal.

Here is what Galliani had to say today:
http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/index.php?action=read&id=66816

he says that there won't be a meeting with Silvio because everything is clear between them and they talk on the phone constantly.
He also said that Milan would leave Pato alone these days to focus on the U-20 WCup.
As for Dinho, he limited himself to a simple smile without saying anything else.

See, galliani didn't say anything about Dinho but only smiled ... told ya, it's a done deal.

:grinser: :grinser: :grinser:

Ghost

10-07-2007, 14:09

its official now - Dinho to Milan is a done deal.

lol you had me there for a second, I honestly thought he has already signed for us.

http://goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=349297

It looks like the news is hitting everywhere.

mzk57

10-07-2007, 14:13

Cruyff says it's not possible all 4 of Barcelona stars to play together.
Out of Ronaldinho, Henry, Eto'o & Messi only Messi is the one with the class to play for ACM :5ok: The other 3 r not good enough to wear Red & Black :)
I wont mind if ur Juve signs Eto'o or Ronaldinho. Just keep them away from Red part of Milan :bri:

mzk57

10-07-2007, 14:16

Is Huntelaar staying in Holland for 1 more season????

How abt Pablo Aimar???? Him partnering Kaka behind Ronaldo/Gila. He can also play in Kaka's position in his absence :bri:

Ghost

10-07-2007, 14:17

Out of Ronaldinho, Henry, Eto'o & Messi only Messi is the one with the class to play for ACM :5ok: The other 3 r not good enough to wear Red & Black :)

And Lampard is? lol

Eto, R10 & Henry are all world class, they have achieved more than Fat Frank.

mzk57

10-07-2007, 14:20

And Lampard is? lol

Eto, R10 & Henry are all world class, they have achieved more than Fat Frank.
Fat Frank has scored 20+ goals in the last 4 season back to back from deep central midfield position in addition to his paly-making and defensive duties :5ok: Thats something even Platini & Zidane couldn't achieve :bri:

zlatanov

10-07-2007, 14:24

Fat Frank has scored 20+ goals in the last 4 season back to back from deep central midfield position in addition to his paly-making and defensive duties :5ok: Thats something even Platini & Zidane couldn't achieve :bri:

well, Fat Frank is yet to do it outside the EPL, isn't he? And considering the number of PKs, free kicks and shots he is allowed to take/waste there, 20 goals/season starts looking like a bare minimum :D

As for Messi, I think he would be tremendous at Milan, especially for the handball or volleyball formation ... if we had one, that is :diablo:

Kaka--7thUCL

10-07-2007, 14:27

Lampard is the reason Chelsea didn't win all cups, they need a talented world class mid.. anywais, what do you mean? We signed R10 ? If we did THEN WOOT ALL CUPS NEXT YR :D MAYBE THATSSS WHAT THAT ARTICLE MEANT ABOUT MILAN BEING CLOSE TO SIGNING A "MYSTERIOUS BRAZILIAN STRIKER WHICH ISN'T ADRIANO" BUT IS R10 A FORWARD? HE'S A MID ISNT HE.. Who knows, I'd be extremely happy if we signed ronaldinho.. We'd be unstoppable!! I'll look for the article shortly.. I forgot what sight i found it on :P

Kaka--7thUCL

10-07-2007, 14:38

I hope we buy Ronaldinho!! I'm so anxious now!! How long is it guna take to get him in a Milan shirt man we've been chasing him for nearly 3 years!

Hasan Rossonero

10-07-2007, 14:45

Fat Frank has scored 20+ goals in the last 4 season back to back from deep central midfield position in addition to his paly-making and defensive duties :5ok: Thats something even Platini & Zidane couldn't achieve :bri:

Fat Frank also needed 19 deflections to get there. Maybe Milan should just place Inzaghi permanently in the penalty box and wait for deflections. To compare Lampard to Dinho is, quite simply, gut-wrenching.

Warro Bantan

10-07-2007, 14:49

what is even more :yuck: is comparing Fat Frank to Platini and Zidane!!

Ghost

10-07-2007, 15:02

what is even more :yuck: is comparing Fat Frank to Platini and Zidane!!

EXACTLY!!!!!!

Stezagud

10-07-2007, 15:03

1) Ronaldinho will sign for Milan within a fortnight, secret sources have told me ;)

2) Fat Frank is the best at getting his shots to deflect off people and Pippo is the best at profitng from getting in the way. Together they would be the most lethal partnership on the planet :D

Warro Bantan

10-07-2007, 15:16

2) Fat Frank is the best at getting his shots to deflect off people and Pippo is the best at profitng from getting in the way. Together they would be the most lethal partnership on the planet :D

Either that, or poor Pippo will retire early from severe trauma caused by repeated blows from Fat Franks shots! :str:

hitmannq8

10-07-2007, 15:29

ThrusT

10-07-2007, 15:35

Out of Ronaldinho, Henry, Eto'o & Messi only Messi is the one with the class to play for ACM :5ok: The other 3 r not good enough to wear Red & Black :)
I wont mind if ur Juve signs Eto'o or Ronaldinho. Just keep them away from Red part of Milan :bri:

I thought you were fancy on pretty boys ?
In case you haven't noticed, Messi is a dwarf.

Let's hope we hear something more concrete about Dinho in the next few days.

Warro Bantan

10-07-2007, 15:55

Dinho rumours heating up, if Dinho does not come out to the news and reject Milan in next two days then I guess he would want to come. Problem for our management is that this move is not going to be a surprise like they wanted it to be. Well it certainly will be a surprise for the following set of fans:

1) Barca fans :diablo:
2) Inter fans :5inter:
3) Man U fans (who thought they made the best purchases this summer)
4) Juve fans (who have to make do with Nedved)...

Should I continue?

5) Liverpool fans (who thought that Torres was indeed Ronaldinho) :uhm:
6) Milan fans who only want romantic boys to play for Milan :sweeteye:

And why would it be a problem if it doesnt turn out to be a surprise? The only problem I see is if he does come, and has a "World Cup 2K6" type performance for us next season. :diablo:

Kaka--7thUCL

10-07-2007, 16:00

Doesn't matter :P Great signing :) I love dinho, alot of fans didn't want him.. Soon after interest for him went down the drain we all want him again, I'm sure though that many people still think he's a waste of money, I sure don't.

Kaka--7thUCL

10-07-2007, 16:08

Imagine us getting both Villa and R10? We'd be unstoppable, but right now, what concerns me most is not Midfield or Forward.. It's Dida.. Next year, if we succesfully buy R10 and Villa or even just R10 we have a team capable of winning all cups next year and we can't afford any of Didas slip ups that he made .. Quite often too, especially in the first half of the season, but in the last running of the UCL (quarters-final) he did great. Hopefully he plays like that all season next year, if we plan to win the scudetto then we need a good GK , our defense I wouldn't worry about.. Oddo,Nesta,Serginho,Bonera,Kaladze, we're fine on defense for another year or two with some young additions during mid-season market and next years summer transfer market. Great line up I see would look like this :

---------------Ronaldo--------------Villa---------------------
-------R10-----------------------------------K22------------
-----Gourcuff------------Pirlo-----------------Gattuso-------
-Serginho---------------Nesta---------------------Oddo-----
---------------------Dida/Landreau :D-----------------------

Warro Bantan

10-07-2007, 16:10

Imagine us... This is what Silly Season is all about bro! Enjoy the speculation...this is the time for it!

Tony29.

10-07-2007, 16:15

Barcelona bought Henry some 10 days ago !
After they bought him they didn't say : "Oh, dear God, what have we done ? We bought Henry and now we have 4 world class forwards. What the hell shall we do now ? "

Nope, they didn't say this.
Because they had the plan made and ready days before they bought Henry. Huge club like Barcelona is thinking long-term, not day by day.
When they were buying Henry they knew what will follow.
Now, there are only 2 possible scenarios :
1 ) Play all 4 of them (smthg less possible and i'd give only 10% for this to happen)
2 ) Sell one of Messi, Dinho, Eto'o ( actually, they knew exactly which one of the trio they will sell and they probably knew to whom. This deal was made even before Henry was bought)

So, in the next days will see if it was option 2.
If all 4 of them stay in Barcelona then Galliani will be the loser of this mercato. If Dinho goes to Milan then he'll be the winner of summer mercato 2007 and he'll give you your centenary present.
Oh, wait, it's not your centenary, it's Inter's.
Well, nevermind. Ronaldinho will be Berlu's present to Inter fans for their centenary. They will have the privilege of watching Dinho playing in their town every second week....no matter if he plays in red&black :D

Kaka--7thUCL

10-07-2007, 16:17

Plus, even though he did poorly in the world cup 2006, he didn't do that badly this year during La Liga and UCL , scored a bundle of goals, many free kicks and chips also MADE goals.. I can't imagine Barca w/o R10 there stupid for selling him
to us :) But hey its amazing on our part, I'd try for Martins or someone fast, other whys just get Villa or make do w Gila and Ronaldo .. BUT Milan do also want Shevchenko back.. So it could be Ronaldo and Sheva upfront, still good, current preformances, id probably rate Villa and Shevchenko about even, probably Villa more, since Sheva played poorly this 07 season.. But oh well, anyways, I'd be very happy with S7 or Villa both very great, but if we don't buy r10 forget about it..

Kaka--7thUCL

10-07-2007, 16:25

Hehe, I love talking in forums when we're linked with such great stars.. Newais yeah I agree Tony, they have to make one of the two decisions, but just like you said the second option is very likely.. We won't lose anyways, we're always going to be the closest club to R10 that's for sure because nobody else would offer 125 m euros.. Or? Well we're always top of the list for R10 and Barca, and then there's etoo who is linked with many clubs but i still think were the top of the list for him aswell, so either way, if it so happens it's second option we dont lose out, we get 1 of 2 world class players (etoo or R10) and besides it's not like we're getting R10 for free! farthest thing from it! we're paying 125m! that's overpaying too, so now theres 3 huge things that make it over 75% of a sure transfer for R10 to milan. 1)125m - A lot of money, could buy many young players , they have Messi moving into R10's position anyways so they do have a great midfield still and 125 - no club could reject that easily for a player like R10, turning 28? and isn't as great as last year.. 2)Ronaldinho would be content on moving to Milan. 3)They'd be making a huge profit and they could replace him with an upcoming star or someone in his older years as an escape route for a couple of years to find an appropriate replacement such as Nedved or others who are in there older years...Just as a temporary replacement..

Mystik

10-07-2007, 16:27

Hasan Rossonero

10-07-2007, 16:28

Guys...you do realize that Dinho to Milan is not a done deal? Don't get your hopes up, and don't get them too down either. Just wait and see.

In other news, Rossi's agent has said that Man Utd will probably let him go for a figure between 10 and 12 million euros: http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Calciomercato/Primo_Piano/2007/07_Luglio/10/rossi.shtml

Vadim

10-07-2007, 16:29

---------------Ronaldo--------------Villa---------------------
-------R10-----------------------------------K22------------
-----Gourcuff------------Pirlo-----------------Gattuso-------
-Serginho---------------Nesta---------------------Oddo-----
---------------------Dida/Landreau :D-----------------------

You can't be serious. This formation would get destroyed.

Where's the defense? You expect Nesta to carry the load by himself? Serginho is an attacking full back, more like a winger. Same with Oddo, although he is probably better than Oddo. Gattuso is the only DM in that formation, it would get ripped apart.

And you can't have two AMs with two forwards, it just won't work. Just look at Brazil in Germany 06. I don't see how Gourcuff fits in there either, when we played the 4-3-2-1 in the CL it was Ambro in that position and it worked incredibly well.

zlatanov

10-07-2007, 16:31

Guys...you do realize that Dinho to Milan is not a done deal? Don't get your hopes up, and don't get them too down either. Just wait and see.

well, let's hope they do ... for their own sake :D

Mystik

10-07-2007, 16:32

By the way I prefer leave Dinho be and play our 4-3-1-2 than buy him and play both Dinho and Kaka in the same team. Can't have too many brilliant minds on the field, they'll just stifle each other.

Kaka--7thUCL

10-07-2007, 16:34

Lol I guess your right Vadim I just thought that if I added a more defensive midfield behind R10 and K22 I could cut down the defence a bit and if Milan don't sign r10--theres always next year :)

Vadim

10-07-2007, 16:35

By the way I prefer leave Dinho be and play our 4-3-1-2 than buy him and play both Dinho and Kaka in the same team. Can't have too many brilliant minds on the field, they'll just stifle each other.

I think Carlo can make it work. If he does indeed come, I envision a formation very similar to the one we played in the CL:

R99
K22 R10
Ambro Pirlo Ringhio
Janku (Or a new LB ideally) Nesta Kaladze Oddo
Dida

But where does that leave Clarence and Gourcuff? I'd hate to see them benched. But I won't worry about it, Carletto will figure it out :5ok:

Hasan Rossonero

10-07-2007, 16:42

drucurl

10-07-2007, 16:49

Mystik

10-07-2007, 16:51

I think Carlo can make it work. If he does indeed come, I envision a formation very similar to the one we played in the CL:

R99
K22 R10
Ambro Pirlo Ringhio
Janku (Or a new LB ideally) Nesta Kaladze Oddo
Dida

But where does that leave Clarence and Gourcuff? I'd hate to see them benched. But I won't worry about it, Carletto will figure it out :5ok:
Which is why I doubt we'll see R10 come here because he coming will stifle Gourcuff's growth considerably. Although Carlo IS a genious and would figure things out, I'd prefer we just get a top striker and play 4-3-1-2 with 2 real strikers at the top of our attack.

zlatanov

10-07-2007, 17:07

I think Dinho would be used the way Sheva was - a support tsriker behind Ronaldo/Gila who falls deep into midfield to help creating the attack, not as a midfielder the way Brazil NT coaches have been trying to make him work with Kaka, which is basically the main reason why a good number of people are afraid that a Kaka-Dinho partnership won't work since it doesn't work in the NT team.

And I wouldn't worry about Seedorf getting cozy with carlo's wife or Gorky's development being impeded = it's gonna be a long season and wide set of players will come in handy ... and if Dinho is indeed used as a second striker, his coming here wouldn't influence those players any differently than getting Etoo (or another tsriker) would have.

this being said, I am still cautiously optimistic for how useful Dinho would be for Milan as there are many factors that could come into play and make a huge financial investment go in vain, more or less, in the end.

R9naldo

10-07-2007, 17:15

Dont know if anyone posted this already ....anyways heres an article on R10http://goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=349297

R9naldo

10-07-2007, 17:17

7/10/2007 7:12 PM
Milan Back On Ronaldinho Milan president Silvio Berlusconi considers the Brazilian ace the only player for which he would make a significant economic sacrifice.
Milan Back On Ronaldinho
zoom - galleria

The operation for Ronaldinho could see a sudden turning point coming about. President Silvio Berlusconi wanted to speed things up, to the point that he allegedly directly approached Barcelona president Joan Laporta on the issue.

Milan managers Ariedo Braida and Adriano Galliani will now probably make a quick trip to the Catalan capital to talk about the issue and possibly find a deal for the transfer of the Brazilian superstar. It is an enterprise which will cost Milan 120 million euros including costs for the transfer and the player's salary. So the Rossoneri will not make use of Ronnie's buy-out clause, which is around 125 million euros.

The input to speed up the operations started on Sunday evening at Arcore: Berlusconi explained to his collaborators how, why, and when he wants to buy Ronaldinho. He reiterated that the Brazilian is the only player he would make a significant economical investment for. That's why he wanted to take control of the situation and speak with Laporta without intermediaries. Considering the good relations with Barcelona, there is the will to arrive at an agreement with the Catalans without turning it into a battle.

Stitch

10-07-2007, 17:30

Tony29.

10-07-2007, 17:33

Not everyone. Since the moment i joined here i was saying Carlo is a genious. People were saying to me that as a Juventino i'd like Milan to keep the worst coach in the world and that's the only reason why i defend him. The same story was repeated with me defending Gilardino !

Giorgos

10-07-2007, 17:39

Hate to crash the party but I'm very cautious about this transfer......the last time we had so much fuss over ronaldinho we ended up getting Amorouso :wallbang:

The other thing is that Ronaldinho is nike's posterboy........I wonder how much opposition they will offer to their two biggest stars wearing and selling like crazy.....ADIDAS shirts.....it would be a huge blow to Nike because Kaka is already an adidas superstar.... Nike has made some pretty ugly decisions in the past that hurt the sport I wonder what is their response this time :str:

The other thing is that I have never (personally) seen K22 and R10 play well together. They remind me of Gerrard-Lampard (or a car with two steering wheels :yuck: ) I wanted Ronaldo here because I saw he and Kaka combine very well for the national team and they seem to replicate that here.....ah well thank god for the tactical genius of Ancelotti who can help players ease seamlessly into new roles.

What remains to be seen is who would play behind Ronaldo..is the experiment with Kaka as a false forward (which has been going very well) going to continue and Ronaldinho going to be a true #10 :dontkn:

Oh and the only way Frank Lampard will sign for us is if the wind deflects the plane that was taking him to Munich.....as usual he will run around and celebrate like that's what he meant to do :stupid:

I agree to all statements with Drucurl, i don't like Dinho because he became the "cheaps" boy which is not related with the general philosophy of our team.

Secondly after my native country (Greece), i support Brazil at countries and i also seen Kaka and Dinho to "hit' each other while played. Ro10 was not doing anything and Kaka was trying to do all by his own.

So i will not be very unhappy if we will not get Ronaldinho. Moreover the money whichever are, 50,60, et.c is too much for one player.

Finally he doesn't fit to Milan's style but i am a keen admirer of Lampard and i wish to had him in Milano, capisi?

Ghost

10-07-2007, 18:04

you know what's funny...how everyone blasted Ancelotti half a year ago :D Milancelotti even talked about how he has the least popular nickname on MM :D and now it's consensus that he's genious...what a difference six months make :D

lol I was just thinking about the same thing, my name became so popular that I had to change it again.

Before I get mixed up in all of this R10 business, I say to my self Steza & Zlat have confirmed that this is a done deal so its done. Then I say to my self what is so different about this year compared to the previous year when we were linked with him, apart from the fact that we are CL champs and more richer - I just hope we dont end up in another RO situation with a panic buy.

Ghost

10-07-2007, 18:07

Finally he doesn't fit to Milan's style but i am a keen admirer of Lampard and i wish to had him in Milano, capisi?

Whats with all the Lampard talk today, honestly I dont think ive ever seen a player as overrated as him. For the wages hes getting I can name 5 players who would do a better job than him.

**Sorry for the double post**

Stitch

10-07-2007, 18:07

drucurl

10-07-2007, 18:40

you know what's funny...how everyone blasted Ancelotti half a year ago :D Milancelotti even talked about how he has the least popular nickname on MM :D and now it's consensus that he's genious...what a difference six months make :D
I know, those filthy bandwagoners :D I remember there was a huge debate on how welll Lippi :yuck: would fit in Milan :eekani: I was ALWAYS a Carlo fan.....just the same way I NEVER liked Gila (that's right Tony29 no "good cop bad cop s#!t for me :grinser: )

drucurl

10-07-2007, 18:43

Finally he doesn't fit to Milan's style but i am a keen admirer of Lampard and i wish to had him in Milano, capisi?
Is is me or did Mzk57 just recruit someone into the HRBC?? :zany:

Tony29.

10-07-2007, 18:50

Is is me or did Mzk57 just recruit someone into the HRBC?? :zany:
Loooooooooooooooooooooooool

Oh and btw, Nedved will play in Juve for at least one more year...OFFICIAL !

zlatanov

10-07-2007, 19:06

Oh and btw, Nedved will play in Juve for at least one more year...OFFICIAL!
maybe it's just the Denzel W. in me but I think I have heard someone say that before :grinser:

Tony29.

10-07-2007, 19:09

maybe it's just the Denzel W. in me but I think I have heard someone say that before :grinser:
Doesn't count !
You did say it but you didn't do that because you thought he'll stay. You said it because you wanted to jinx everything !

:uhm:

Tony29.

10-07-2007, 19:22

Oh, come on , it's not off topic. You also talk about Brazilians all the time in this topic !

Blacktop

10-07-2007, 19:32

Oh, come on , it's not off topic. You also talk about Brazilians all the time in this topic !
Best laugh I've had all day. :D

Russo-Neri

10-07-2007, 19:41

I say to my self Steza & Zlat have confirmed that this is a done deal so its done.

Sorry, I'm new to this board. I'm just wondering if this quote was a joke, or if these posters actually have credible inside information.

Again, sorry for my ignorance...

Tony29.

10-07-2007, 20:08

Sorry, I'm new to this board. I'm just wondering if this quote was a joke, or if these posters actually have credible inside information.

Again, sorry for my ignorance...
Yeah, Steza is really reliable, the other guy isn't.
But they were joking this time. They don't have inside info.
:)

Kaka--7thUCL

10-07-2007, 21:14

Lol, for those of you who say kaka and r10 don't play well together must be kidding please look at half of kaka's goals with brazil then talk.. 3/4 of them were either passes between him and R10 or a chip from R10 or a rebound off R10'S shot and same goes for r10 - they work together very well, if someone called them the best duo ever i wouldnt be suprised.. Don't worry about Gourcuff's playing time, Carlo will find something and plus if it were up to me i'd rotate him with other mids. Doesn't matter, he didn't play at all this season.. And he didn't even mention leaving so.. Who knows.. He played like max 10 games this entire season.. Anyways, back to teh subject.. I was looking back at Inter's team as a whole, their nothing special.. Nothing unbeatable.. Next year, if we buy a capable striker like Villa (we have been linked big with him and this was a 1 time article) and R10 and Rossi, we'll dominate next year.. I don't think Milan will go for UCL they will probably go to quarters to remain respected through out europe, but I think coppa italia and schudetto are top of the list for Milan next year.. I still don't get how Villa,Ronaldo,Ronaldinho,Kaka' can play in the same line up.. Are we going to be putting
r10 more backed up or something? Or more forward and kaka back? Or both supporting 2 strikers? :S and btw.. Rossi .. #1. Never heard of him, good or bad? #2. Age? #3. Position? Hopefully defense?

Kaka--7thUCL

10-07-2007, 21:17

Another thing.. Have we been heavily linked with any Goalkeepers yet? I went away for a
couple of weeks to Miami and missed 2 weeks of these transfer rumors :P But unfortunately I got back to see Milan has signed nobody :P anyways, I know we've been linked with Buffon.. old news.. Anyone else?

Hasan Rossonero

10-07-2007, 21:30

Bosniaco

10-07-2007, 21:35

Yeah we are linked with everybody, but we didnt nuy anyone. This sucks. We need to rebuild the team but Galliani is doing nothing about it. Maybe he forgot that he was leaving Milan matches early because of the way we played. Maybe he forgot that when Milan scores a goal he jumps up and down of joy ( I do to) but Galliani jumps because Milan didnt score too often and when Milan did he was happy. Wwhy not buy players that will make it simple for Galliani and us, but no I guess he is saving money for something!

Hasan Rossonero

10-07-2007, 22:48

Interesting news in Gazzetta today.

It talks about why Suazo chose Inter over us, so I stopped reading after the first line.

But, more importantly, it talks about Ronaldinho. When Galliani was told of rumours of Dinho eagerly wanting a move to Milan, he said that's "great news". The article then talked about how Barcelona were having trouble renewing the contract of Dinho. Why? Well after being a resident in Spain for 5 years, the tax rate increases close to 50% (ish). That means to meet Dinho's lofty 10 mill/year demand, Barcelona would have to shell out 20 mill euros. This is apparently proving to be a stumbling block, and since Dinho will have spent 5 yrs in Barcelona at the end of next year, the situation appears to be very tricky.

The fact that Gazzetta is reporting on this lends a bit more credence to the whole thing.

That would still mean that we will have to shell out that money, if we want to buy Ronaldinho. But if this is to be Silvio's "present", then I think the club will pay the difference between whatever the 100 million doesn't cover. We may also give him his image rights. Watch this space I guess.

hwmook

10-07-2007, 22:50

Yes, we revenged you :)

Btw, hwmook, when was the last time Milan were World Champions ? :zany:

2007. remember you hear it here first. :grinser:

Hasan Rossonero

10-07-2007, 23:04

By the way Ronaldinho became a Spanish citizen in January 2007.

mzk57

11-07-2007, 00:18

well, Fat Frank is yet to do it outside the EPL, isn't he? And considering the number of PKs, free kicks and shots he is allowed to take/waste there, 20 goals/season starts looking like a bare minimum :D

As for Messi, I think he would be tremendous at Milan, especially for the handball or volleyball formation ... if we had one, that is :diablo:
Fat Frank has played 4 CL semi finals i the last 5 years, scoring alot of goals as well :5ok: SO how can u say that he hasn't prove himself in CL ??? :bri:

How can u for get that he was the 2nd best player of World after Ronaldinho in 2005. Actually Fifa made a mistake there. It should have been Frank at #1 and :stupid: Ronaldinho at #2

Fat Frank single handedly carried an awful English side to the QF of the Euro 2004, scoring 3 cracking goals :)

And Fat Frank is NOT the only player who takes penelties and free kicks. Steve-G, Ronaldinho, Ballack, Totti, Zidane, Riquelme all do the same for their clubs but still Lampards scoring rate crushes the scoring rate of all these players :5ok:

As for the defelections, well they too prove his greatness. They r actually not defelctions, but the world's most powerful shots, which remove players on the way and reach the goal every time hit.

In other words, unstoppable :pp20:

GilAttack [11]

11-07-2007, 00:40

That rubbish newspaper (Diario As, the one that had those fake Kaka pics) says that Milan might be willing to pay Ronaldinho's release clause (125M euros) if they manage to get Shevchenko back without having to pay a single penny.
They also report about a contract being signed like one year ago (between Milan and Ronaldinho).
And that Chelsea could target Eto'o.

Sorry for wasting 60 seconds of your life :devf:

mzk57

11-07-2007, 00:41

RRonaldinho OR Eto'o,
in both cases it would be disastrous for ACM :) , Bcoz

The 1st thing Ronaldinho would do is a fight with Kaka' (becoz he is jealous of Kaka) creating a tense atmosphere in ACM, resulting in Kaka's departure to Madrid next season :wallbang:

&

The 1st thing Eto'o would do is a fight with Carlo, just like he did with Frank Rjkaard & maybe even Carlo would leave at the end of the season :wallbang:

So both would be horible signnings for ACM :5ok:

The only option left is Messi, who is much more talented than both of them :)

GilAttack [11]

11-07-2007, 00:44

Maybe if we tell Galliani that Messi's real name is Messi Asis de Souza we can persuade him to consider signing the argentinean :pp20:
If Messi for some reason leaves Barcelona, it will be to Inter. Same as Berlusconi has something with Ronaldinho and would pay almost whatever it takes to sign him, Moratti would do the same for Messi.

zlatanov

11-07-2007, 00:46

Fat Frank has played 4 CL semi finals i the last 5 years, scoring alot of goals as well :5ok: SO how can u say that he hasn't prove himself in CL ??? :bri:

could you please list those 4 times FF has played in the SF of CL ... and even better, the goals he scored in those games? ... cause I am pretty sure he didn't score any in the SFs vs Pool ...

in fact, he came very close to being the main suspect for the burglary in Reina's home since Fat Frank's whereabouts at the time of the game (when the crime took place) were listed as "unknown" :grinser:

and how come with him scoring "a lot of goals" his team never made it to the final and it's a good team, mind you? :bri:

Fat Frank single handedly carried an awful English side to the QF of the Euro 2004, scoring 3 cracking goals :)
well then maybe we should refresh the memory of the English fans 'cause they don't seem too keen on having Fat Frank take up a place on their NT as of late ... I am sure if we tell them what he did for his team in 2004, they could even ask for his jersey to be retired :)

And Fat Frank is NOT the only player who takes penelties and free kicks. Steve-G, Ronaldinho, Ballack, Totti, Zidane, Riquelme all do the same for their clubs but still Lampards scoring rate crushes the scoring rate of all these players :5ok:
Ballacks record used to be like FF's when he was at bayern, and if you look at Ronaldinho's for Barca, you will see the same.
As for Totti, who won the Golden Boot this last season? :p155:

zlatanov

11-07-2007, 01:12

Yeah, Steza is really reliable, the other guy isn't.
But they were joking this time. They don't have inside info.
:)
ahh, I see Tony is still jealous about the info on Nedved he received free of charge the DAY BEFORE when he himself was saying bye-bye to the Czech :bri:

anyways, no Russo-Neri, Steza dowsn't have inside Info, he was just kidding ... as for the other guy, well, he likes seeing people scratch their heads ... like our friend Tony did when he read the news about nedved staying with Juve :grinser:

Rayno_acm

11-07-2007, 01:27

Well, I don't want R10 in Milan. Not becouse he's too expensive (anyway Berlu will pay the money, not the club). But becouse he do not cope well with Kaka'. I've seen some games they played together (last one was vs England at Wembley, 1-1) and that is pretty visible. One of them clearly underperform, often that one is R10, and he starts to play well only when the other got sub-ed. That's obvious, they fight for the same balls and the same positions. Often Kaka tries to connect with the forwards, not with Dinho. And the things will get worst, cuz I really doubt R10 and Pirlo could play together. Getting him like a MD will hurt if not Kaka then Pirlo and Gourcuff.
Zlat said that Dinho will be used like supporting striker and not like a MD. I just can't see it working, Dinho also will have to fight for the high balls, not just to run from the flank to the penalty area. Or else we would have only Ronaldo/Gila to fight for all the crosses. I see R10 in Milan like a SS only if we use Pippo or Gila upfront.

One more thing. I see Real didn't give up on Kaka' :irritate: see this article (http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Calciomercato/Primo_Piano/2007/07_Luglio/10/saviola_1007.shtml). In it Schuster says that one day Kaka' will play for them. OK, no problem :bri: I would offer them this guy (http://www.zerozero.pt/jogador.php?edicao_id=0&epoca_id=136&id=29111) (see the pic bellow). He is Brazilian and his name is...Kaka' :zany: :devf: Well, he is a year older and he is a defender, but hey, he wears number 4, i.e. 2+2 and his name is Kaka' :zany: , I'm not lying :grinser: :devf: They can get him anytime they want :pp20: :bri:

mzk57

11-07-2007, 02:33

could you please list those 4 times FF has played in the SF of CL ... and even better, the goals he scored in those games? ... cause I am pretty sure he didn't score any in the SFs vs Pool ...
2004 Chelsea vs AS Monoco
2005 Chelsea vs Liverpool
2007 Chelsea vs Liverpool

My mistake :) its actually 3 out o 4, but still it is a GREAT record

I said that he scored in the CL (group stages+knock out) He scored in the semi-final against Monoco, in the QF vs unbeaten Arsenal 2004, 3 against Bayern in 2005 QF and alot more in the group stage

and how come with him scoring "a lot of goals" his team never made it to the final and it's a good team, mind you? :bri:
Yes it is a good team. U have to accept Chelsea's dominance in EPL in the last 4 years, so no question there.

As for is team not qualifying for final, well in 2004, they came very close and at one stage Chelsea were leading AS Monoco on away goals rule, but then Morientes turned things on single handedly. U could say dat a moment of brilliance from one man took the game away from them & it happens in football
In 2005, I think u will agree that the ball was not over the line & who knows maybe on penelties Cech would have won the match for them, since he was at the form of his life in 2005. They were beaten by a goals which actually never happened

In 2006, AC Milan vs Liverpool was scripted at the start of the season, History was going to CORRECT itself. U can't chage things like dat :pp20: Chelsea went out just on penelties. Just imagine if the 2nd leg was at Stamfor Bridge, who knows, the crowd advantage would have worked for them and its could have been ACM vs Chelsea.

well then maybe we should refresh the memory of the English fans 'cause they don't seem too keen on having Fat Frank take up a place on their NT as of late ...
If the coach can't pick the rite formation, Frank can't do any thing abt that. Give Lampard & Gerrard to Carlo and he would play them in the perfect formation of ACM. Just imagine this team

----------------Inzaghi--------------
---------Lampard------Kaka-----------
----Gerrard-------Pirlo------Gattuso----
----------------defense----------------
--------any GK apart from d!da-----------

The English coach is responssible for his poor management of the team and poor performances not ONE FRANK LAMPARD!!

I am sure if we tell them what he did for his team in 2004, they could even ask for his jersey to be retired :)
In Euro 2004, Zidane scored 3 goals and France lost in the QF. Lampard scored 3 goals and England lost in QF. SO whats the difference????

If I am not mistaken, he was 'English Fan's player of the year' in 2004, mainly bcoz of his stunning performances in Euro 2004

Ballacks record used to be like FF's when he was at bayern
It used to be like that but its NOT now :bri: Plus EPL is much more difficult league than Bundes Liga, Am i rite????

Now they both are in one team and Ballack even plays ahead of Lampard in the formation. Like Ballack is Chelsea's Kaka, and Lampard is their Seedorf in the 4-3-1-2 formation. Now who is more likely to score in that formation??? Seedorf or Kaka?? Same goes for Lampard & Ballack. U compare their record of 2006-2007 and then declare who has had the better season????
For details of their record, log on to http://www.chelseafc.com :grinser:
and if you look at Ronaldinho's for Barca, you will see the same.Ronaldinho is a forward man and Lampard is a midfielder. Suppose the both have same number of goals, even then Lampard should be given more credit bcoz he is a midfielder and he has to perform defensive duties as well :bri:

As for Totti, who won the Golden Boot this last season? :p155:
Totti won the Golden boot with 26 goals and over all he scored (say) 30 goals (I am not sure) and over all Lampard scored 21-22 goals. Their is just a difference of 7-8 goals, which is not that massive & let me remind u that Totti was at the end of of every move made by Roma midfielders. He was playing as a lone striker. He didn't win the Golden Boot playing as midfielder. The seasons in which he played as a midfielder, he didn't win it and maximum he scored 15 goals (including penelties)
U can see that u are comparing Lampard's scoring rate with players who play in much more advance position than him and still the difference is not that big . Gerrard scored only 10-12 goals froim the same position, he too takes the penelties

Now if u say that Lampard too plays as a 2nd striker, then let me remind u their formations of the last 4 season. U must know that I also follow Chelsea a little bit after ACM :)

Chelsea of 2003-2004

------------------------------Cudicini----------------------------

---Melchiot-------------Desielly--------Terry-----Bridge/Babayaro--

---Gronkjaer------Lampard---------Veron---------Duff/J.Cole----

-==--------Hasselbaink/Mutu----Crespo/Gudjohnsen----------

Chelsea of 2004-2005

------------------------------Cech------------------------------

---Fareirra----------Carvalho----------Terry------Gallas--------

--------------Tiago--------Makelele-----Lampard-------------

---------------Duff--------Drogba/Gudjohnsen----Robben--------

Chelsea of 2005-2006

------------------------------Cech------------------------------

---Fareirra----------Carvalho----------Terry------Gallas--------

--------------Essien--------Makelele-----Lampard-------------

---------------J.Cole-----Drogba/Crespo-----Robben-----------

Chelsea of 2005-2006

------------------------------Cech------------------------------

---Bolarouz---------Carvalho----------Terry------A.Cole--------

--------------Essien--------Makelele-----Lampard-------------

----------------------------Ballack------------------------------

--------------------Drogba--------$hevchenko/Robben------------

SO U can see that in every formation there are 3-4 players which were MORE likely 2 score goals than Fat Frank. But still he was Chelsea's top scorer with 20+ goals each season from deep midfield in all seasons (with exception of the last 1) in the presence of forwards like Crespo, Drogba, $hevchenko, Mutu, Kezman, Gudjohnsen, Hasselbaink, Robben, Duff, J.Cole adn Ballack.

Thats why He is the best player of the world in my opinion :5ok:

Rayno_acm

11-07-2007, 02:51

God forbid we ever to sign Lampard :str: :w221:
He has playmaker's duty??? :stupid: :haha:
The only thing he's doing on the field is to try to find a space for a shot, that's all he can do. We don't need that type of player :yuck:
You know, team work is much more reliable than solo efforts if we need to score, right? :bri:

hitmannq8

11-07-2007, 03:32

Man mzk is so obsessed with Lampard, I am so amazed at how long he wrote a post just to try to convince us about Lampard. In all honesty I did not read one word of his post and don't intend to. Lampard is one over-rated player that I would never want in my team. For crying out loud he's compared him with legends of the game!! mzk's obsession with pretty boys ain't funny no more it's making me sick.

Giorgos

11-07-2007, 03:44

Whats with all the Lampard talk today, honestly I dont think ive ever seen a player as overrated as him. For the wages hes getting I can name 5 players who would do a better job than him.

**Sorry for the double post**

So Medel name some... :5ok:

hitmannq8

11-07-2007, 03:49

So Medel name some... :5ok:

He earns more than all of Milan's midfield I believe (bar Kaka), and every single one of 'em is better. If you want people in the position that are better than him? Fabio Liverani, De Rossi, David Pizarro, Xavi, Mascherano, Xabi Alonso. I could name dozens more, hell I would even prefer an unproven Barusso over him. (oh yeh btw he went to Roma guys, so he aint coming here this summer. Many claimed we already signed him but were just waitin to announce it)

Giorgos

11-07-2007, 03:49

Is is me or did Mzk57 just recruit someone into the HRBC?? :zany:

What is HRBC?

Maltese Charlie

11-07-2007, 03:59

Calciomercato.com

Ronaldinho al Milan? Berlusconi pronto a pagare la clausola di rescissione da 125 mln

09:30 del 11 luglio

Il Milan punta tutto su Ronaldinho. Nei prossimi giorni i rossoneri effettueranno un ultimo tentativo con il Barcellona. Se il club catalano dovesse rifiutarsi di intavolare una trattativa, il presidente Berlusconi sarebbe anche disposto a pagare l'intera clausola di rescissione del brasiliano, pari a 125 milioni di euro. In questo modo il Barça non potrebbe fare nulla per evitare di perdere il suo campione.
Ronaldinho avrebbe già un accordo di massima con il Milan per un contratto di cinque anni da 8,5 milioni di euro netti a stagione più la cessione di tutti i diritti d'immagine. L'indiscrezione è riportata dal quotidiano spagnolo AS.

RASSEGNA STAMPA
Galliani: "Il nostro colpo di mercato potrebbe essere brasiliano".
Il Milan sogna il giovane Pato, intanto aspetta novità da Shevchenko, che ha chiesto un incontro con Abramovich e Mourinho. L'ucraino pretende determinate garanzie per restare al Chelsea, altrimenti chiederà di tornare al Milan.
(Corriere della Sera)

A fine stagione, il Barcellona perde i vantaggi del 25% con il fisco e fatica a rinnovare il contratto di Ronaldinho. C'è anche il problema Eto'o. Il Milan pronto a dare l'assalto al brasiliano.
(Gazzetta dello Sport)

Ancelotti ha scelto Drogba: adesso Shevchenko è un'altrenativa. Oliveira atteso in Spagna per firmare col Saragozza.
(Corriere dello Sport)

Today's stories regarding Milan on 4 different papers.
Amazing!!!!! 4 different conclusions. :grinser:
Are these suppose to give us the latest news?
Or to imagine stories which people like to hear to boost up their sales?

The only credible paper looks like it is la gazzetta dello sport.
and the Corriere della sera is reporting yestrday's news.

Giorgos

11-07-2007, 04:10

Giorgios I must say - after Italy's disaster, I supported Greece on last Euro - it was wonderful to see "favourites" drop one by one in each round, after every one of them was sure they'll beat you.

See you in october, you're the first in our EURO 08 group, we're second :)

We never played fancy football, we are not Brazilians, Rehagel is obsessed with some things and frustrates us but i think we will qualify for Euro 2008.
Bosnia has very good players didn't start well but you got improoved a lot :5ok: .

neav

11-07-2007, 04:18

hi guys.. as you can see i'm new here. i've been following MM for quite some time now and just decided to join in :)

about Lampard, there's no doubt he's a good MD but i never like his style of playing. and yeah, i do think he's overrated.

when ever he get the ball, it always end up as a shot from him, like he rarely consider giving the ball to others who might have better opportunity than him. even in WC2006, i can always guess what'll happen when Lampard got the ball and its always right, a shot on goal. it's like england attack end whenever Lampard had the ball making the FW role virtually useless. poor rooney, when he was just about to position himself, its already a goal kick :grinser:

Gerrard and Ballack have the same approach as Lampard, but it's just that Lampard is worst. it's fine to try long range shot once in a while, but not as frequent as Lampard did.

i started to wonder, is it because Lampard play behind Ballack that Drogba finally able to score lots of goals? hmmm...

so, no Lampard in Milan..

Maltese Charlie

11-07-2007, 04:21

Rinaudo: E' Roma-Milan
Mer 11 Lug, 9:51 AM

Milan in vantaggio sulla Roma per il difensore del Palermo, Rinaudo, nell'ultima stagione in prestito al Siena.

Milan are in advantage over Roma for the Palermo's defender Rinaudo. Last season was on loan to Siena.

I'd never watched closely this player, so I don't have a slightly idea about him.

Ups sorry I forgot ..... its from Corriere dello Sport.

Gabriel489

11-07-2007, 05:14

Whats with all these talks about Lampard.

TO be honest, he is a solid player but nothing special. True he scores goals as a midfielder, but scoring goals is the job of strikers not midfielders. Also, just because he scored goals and looks great on stats sheet, it does not mean much if your team cannot win.

In all honestly, Gattuso did not score last year but I would be the first to say that he is one of the difference maker for Milan and Italy last season. Would that make Gattuso less of a player than Lampard.

Also don't compare Lampard with ZZ, Dinho, Totti and Riquelme as they are completely different players. ZZ Dinho,TOtti and Riquelme are players that creates for himself and their teammates. While Lampard just shoot the ball where ever he gets the chance. Ballack is a good comparsion but Ballack does create for his teammates too, while as Lampard just runs around the field looking for chances to shoot.

In short, Lampard is overrated just like Scholes were. I remembered that when ManU won the treble, people were saying that Scholes this and Scholes that, kind of like Lampard now.

drucurl

11-07-2007, 07:13

2004 Chelsea vs AS Monoco
2005 Chelsea vs Liverpool
2007 Chelsea vs Liverpool

My mistake :) its actually 3 out o 4, but still it is a GREAT record

I said that he scored in the CL (group stages+knock out) He scored in the semi-final against Monoco, in the QF vs unbeaten Arsenal 2004, 3 against Bayern in 2005 QF and alot more in the group stage

Yes it is a good team. U have to accept Chelsea's dominance in EPL in the last 4 years, so no question there.

As for is team not qualifying for final, well in 2004, they came very close and at one stage Chelsea were leading AS Monoco on away goals rule, but then Morientes turned things on single handedly. U could say dat a moment of brilliance from one man took the game away from them & it happens in football
In 2005, I think u will agree that the ball was not over the line & who knows maybe on penelties Cech would have won the match for them, since he was at the form of his life in 2005. They were beaten by a goals which actually never happened

In 2006, AC Milan vs Liverpool was scripted at the start of the season, History was going to CORRECT itself. U can't chage things like dat :pp20: Chelsea went out just on penelties. Just imagine if the 2nd leg was at Stamfor Bridge, who knows, the crowd advantage would have worked for them and its could have been ACM vs Chelsea.

If the coach can't pick the rite formation, Frank can't do any thing abt that. Give Lampard & Gerrard to Carlo and he would play them in the perfect formation of ACM. Just imagine this team

----------------Inzaghi--------------
---------Lampard------Kaka-----------
----Gerrard-------Pirlo------Gattuso----
----------------defense----------------
--------any GK apart from d!da-----------

The English coach is responssible for his poor management of the team and poor performances not ONE FRANK LAMPARD!!

In Euro 2004, Zidane scored 3 goals and France lost in the QF. Lampard scored 3 goals and England lost in QF. SO whats the difference????

If I am not mistaken, he was 'English Fan's player of the year' in 2004, mainly bcoz of his stunning performances in Euro 2004

It used to be like that but its NOT now :bri: Plus EPL is much more difficult league than Bundes Liga, Am i rite????

Now they both are in one team and Ballack even plays ahead of Lampard in the formation. Like Ballack is Chelsea's Kaka, and Lampard is their Seedorf in the 4-3-1-2 formation. Now who is more likely to score in that formation??? Seedorf or Kaka?? Same goes for Lampard & Ballack. U compare their record of 2006-2007 and then declare who has had the better season????
For details of their record, log on to http://www.chelseafc.com :grinser:
Ronaldinho is a forward man and Lampard is a midfielder. Suppose the both have same number of goals, even then Lampard should be given more credit bcoz he is a midfielder and he has to perform defensive duties as well :bri:

Totti won the Golden boot with 26 goals and over all he scored (say) 30 goals (I am not sure) and over all Lampard scored 21-22 goals. Their is just a difference of 7-8 goals, which is not that massive & let me remind u that Totti was at the end of of every move made by Roma midfielders. He was playing as a lone striker. He didn't win the Golden Boot playing as midfielder. The seasons in which he played as a midfielder, he didn't win it and maximum he scored 15 goals (including penelties)
U can see that u are comparing Lampard's scoring rate with players who play in much more advance position than him and still the difference is not that big . Gerrard scored only 10-12 goals froim the same position, he too takes the penelties

Now if u say that Lampard too plays as a 2nd striker, then let me remind u their formations of the last 4 season. U must know that I also follow Chelsea a little bit after ACM :)

Chelsea of 2003-2004

------------------------------Cudicini----------------------------

---Melchiot-------------Desielly--------Terry-----Bridge/Babayaro--

---Gronkjaer------Lampard---------Veron---------Duff/J.Cole----

-==--------Hasselbaink/Mutu----Crespo/Gudjohnsen----------

Chelsea of 2004-2005

------------------------------Cech------------------------------

---Fareirra----------Carvalho----------Terry------Gallas--------

--------------Tiago--------Makelele-----Lampard-------------

---------------Duff--------Drogba/Gudjohnsen----Robben--------

Chelsea of 2005-2006

------------------------------Cech------------------------------

---Fareirra----------Carvalho----------Terry------Gallas--------

--------------Essien--------Makelele-----Lampard-------------

---------------J.Cole-----Drogba/Crespo-----Robben-----------

Chelsea of 2005-2006

------------------------------Cech------------------------------

---Bolarouz---------Carvalho----------Terry------A.Cole--------

--------------Essien--------Makelele-----Lampard-------------

----------------------------Ballack------------------------------

--------------------Drogba--------$hevchenko/Robben------------

SO U can see that in every formation there are 3-4 players which were MORE likely 2 score goals than Fat Frank. But still he was Chelsea's top scorer with 20+ goals each season from deep midfield in all seasons (with exception of the last 1) in the presence of forwards like Crespo, Drogba, $hevchenko, Mutu, Kezman, Gudjohnsen, Hasselbaink, Robben, Duff, J.Cole adn Ballack.

Thats why He is the best player of the world in my opinion :5ok:

Didn't have the heart to tell him that Frank already has a girlfriend :sweeteye: ......but then again I doubt that would have stopped him :987:

rosoneri_11

11-07-2007, 07:14

AC Milan received the most money from last season's Champions League, earning just under 40 million euros on the way to winning European soccer's top club competition for the seventh time, Uefa said on Tuesday.....................................

http://www.supersoccer.co.za/default.asp?id=221500&des=article&scat=supersoccer/italy
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At the moment we had a lot of money(last year+now). But we also had no transfers! :nervous:

Hasan Rossonero

11-07-2007, 07:47

Calciomercato.com

Ronaldinho al Milan? Berlusconi pronto a pagare la clausola di rescissione da 125 mln

09:30 del 11 luglio

Il Milan punta tutto su Ronaldinho. Nei prossimi giorni i rossoneri effettueranno un ultimo tentativo con il Barcellona. Se il club catalano dovesse rifiutarsi di intavolare una trattativa, il presidente Berlusconi sarebbe anche disposto a pagare l'intera clausola di rescissione del brasiliano, pari a 125 milioni di euro. In questo modo il Barça non potrebbe fare nulla per evitare di perdere il suo campione.
Ronaldinho avrebbe già un accordo di massima con il Milan per un contratto di cinque anni da 8,5 milioni di euro netti a stagione più la cessione di tutti i diritti d'immagine. L'indiscrezione è riportata dal quotidiano spagnolo AS.

A fine stagione, il Barcellona perde i vantaggi del 25% con il fisco e fatica a rinnovare il contratto di Ronaldinho. C'è anche il problema Eto'o. Il Milan pronto a dare l'assalto al brasiliano.
(Gazzetta dello Sport)

The first story is from AS, unfortunately. They fabricate nearly all their stories. The Gazzetta one is good news though, as at least it's a paper with more credibility.

In English:

Milan plan ‘Dinho mega-bid!
Wednesday 11 July, 2007
Milan chief Silvio Berlusconi is ready to pay Ronaldinho’s £89m release clause to bring him to San Siro, according to reports.

The Rossoneri have been repeatedly paired with the 2005 Golden Ball winner after the European champions stated that they were in pole position to sign the Brazilian if he decides to leave the Nou Camp.

Ronaldinho has been in contract talks with the Blaugrana, but despite reiterating that he was not set to leave the Spanish giants he is once again being linked with a Serie A switch.

Reports suggest that Milan will make a new offer to Barcelona over the next few days, as President Berlusconi is willing to pay the player’s £89m release clause if the Azulgrana refuse his offer.

Spanish newspaper AS also claims that ‘Dinho has already agreed to a five-year contract with the Rossoneri, worth £6m a season plus his entire lucrative image rights.

The Brazilian is currently contracted to Barca until 2010 and talks to extend his deal until 2014 have stalled so far, fuelling Berlusconi’s dream of seeing a Ronaldo, Kaka and Ronaldinho trident next term.

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channel4

hany.Egypt

11-07-2007, 08:02

you know what's funny...how everyone blasted Ancelotti half a year ago Milancelotti even talked about how he has the least popular nickname on MM and now it's consensus that he's genious...what a difference six months make
Dont missunderstand us (anti Carlo fans ), we have never said that he dont understand much about coashing, but we did say that he some times without ,obvious reasons, plays in a very definsive way that cost us alot

K77SH C

11-07-2007, 08:11

Dont missunderstand us (anti Carlo fans ), we have never said that he dont understand much about coashing, but we did say that he some times without ,obvious reasons, plays in a very definsive way that cost us alot

Or gains us alot. I guess it all depends on whether you see the glass as half empty or half full. Personally, a coach who has won us two CL titles makes me see an over flowing glass.

rosoneri_11

11-07-2007, 08:21

If we ganna sign Ronaldinho that will be the transfer of the transfers!

zlatanov

11-07-2007, 08:24

The first story is from AS, unfortunately. They fabricate nearly all their stories. The Gazzetta one is good news though, as at least it's a paper with more credibility.

In English:

Milan plan ‘Dinho mega-bid!
Wednesday 11 July, 2007
Milan chief Silvio Berlusconi is ready to pay Ronaldinho’s £89m release clause to bring him to San Siro, according to reports.

The Rossoneri have been repeatedly paired with the 2005 Golden Ball winner after the European champions stated that they were in pole position to sign the Brazilian if he decides to leave the Nou Camp.

Ronaldinho has been in contract talks with the Blaugrana, but despite reiterating that he was not set to leave the Spanish giants he is once again being linked with a Serie A switch.

Reports suggest that Milan will make a new offer to Barcelona over the next few days, as President Berlusconi is willing to pay the player’s £89m release clause if the Azulgrana refuse his offer.

Spanish newspaper AS also claims that ‘Dinho has already agreed to a five-year contract with the Rossoneri, worth £6m a season plus his entire lucrative image rights.

The Brazilian is currently contracted to Barca until 2010 and talks to extend his deal until 2014 have stalled so far, fuelling Berlusconi’s dream of seeing a Ronaldo, Kaka and Ronaldinho trident next term.

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channel4
what these latest reports say is all based on an article in AS and by now we know well how trustworthy they are.

Anyways, here is the original article in AS:
http://www.as.com/articulo/futbol/Milan/amaga/pagar/clausula/Ronaldinho/dasftb/20070711dasdaiftb_46/Tes/

and here is a short description of their "reasoning" and how AS arrived at the "Milan ready to pay 125 mil buy-out clause" thing that came to life over the last day or two:
http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/index.php?action=read&id=66887

There is a lot of BS said in there but the jist of it is that Milan had decided to put away 45 mil to pay Chelski in order to get Sheva back (anyone crazy enough to believe that?!).
but here comes the "magic" part - Sheva has apperantly convinced Roman Abramovic to send him back to Milan on a free-loan ... so those 45 mil Milan had decided to give Chelski are now "freed" to be added to the 80 mil Milan had ready for Ronaldinho, hence the 125 mil that would be enough to pay for Dinho's buy-out clause :rolleyes:

That's pretty much it, bs after bs and not a word that actually makes sense ...

mrki

11-07-2007, 08:27

AS is saying something about Berlusconi at first offered 80 mln for Ronaldinho and 45 for Shevchenko to Chelsea, but now he wiill offer a buy out clause number - 125 mln. Si imagine this talk:

Berlusconi: " Mr. Laporta, our final offer for Ronaldinho, our dream player is 80 mln."

Laporta: " Im sorry, he is not for sale. If I sell him I would have to leave the country."

Berlusconi: " Everything is for sale! I'll buy your club if you dont sell! "

Laporta: " Ok...easy. But 80 mln is not enough. You need go give more... " ( what a lunatic Italian, he thinks )

Berlusconi: " More? ( and then he goes mad ) I'll pay 125 mln for this overpriced and out of form player! Im Silvio Berlusconi, I have TV channels, someone needs to play beautifull football on them! With two forwards, two! maybe even three if I bring back Sheva!"

Laporta( with a look like Homer Simpson has on his face when something isnt clear to him): " Ok... tommorow I'll pack my bags for Paris..."
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channel 4 :grinser:

Hasan Rossonero

11-07-2007, 08:28

what these latest reports say is all based on an article in AS and by now we know well how trustworthy they are.

Anyways, here is the original article in AS:
http://www.as.com/articulo/futbol/Milan/amaga/pagar/clausula/Ronaldinho/dasftb/20070711dasdaiftb_46/Tes/

and here is a short description of their "reasoning" and how AS arrived at the "Milan ready to pay 125 mil buy-out clause" thing came to life:
http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/index.php?action=read&id=66887

There is a lot of BS said in there but the jist of it is that Milan had decided to put away 45 mil to pay Chelski in order to get Sheva back (anyone crazy enough to believe that?!).
but here comes the "magic" part - Sheva has apperantly convinced Roman Abramovic to send him back to Milan on a free-loan ... so those 45 mil Milan had decided to give Chelski are now "freed" to be added to the 80 mil Milan had ready for Ronaldinho, hence the 125 mil that would be enough to pay for Dinho's buy-out clause :rolleyes:

That's pretty much it, bs after bs and not a word that actually makes sense ...
Yep...fabrication galore.

Here is the gazzetta story I was talking about earlier in the thread:

Ronaldinho: il fisco aiuta il Milan (La Gazzetta dello Sport) Il Barça a fine stagione perde i vantaggi del 25% e fatica a rinnovare col brasiliano. C'è anche il problema Eto'o.
Ronaldinho: il fisco aiuta il Milan (La Gazzetta dello Sport)
zoom - galleria

«Sarà un brasiliano il rinforzo del Milan». La battuta è di Adriano Galliani a Milan Channel. E il pensiero corre veloce al talentuoso Pato. Ma poi lo stesso amministratore delegato rossonero ampia le prospettive e riapre a Ronaldinho. In serata interviene a Telelombardia e commenta così le voci che vogliono l'ex Pallone d'Oro impaziente di vestire la maglia rossonera. «La notizia mi fa piacere». Invece protegge Pato: «Lasciamolo stare, lasciamolo tranquillo, poi vedremo».

Da Barcellona giungono anche aggiornamenti sulla trattativa per il nuovo contratto di Ronaldinho. Proprio di recente Laporta ha promesso a Roberto Assis, fratello- agente, che il nuovo accordo sarà siglato entro dicembre. Ma non sarà facile. Attualmente Ronaldinho guadagna 8 milioni di euro netti e al club ne costa 10 al lordo grazie all'agevole tassazione al 25% consentita dalla legge Zapatero. Ma dopo 5 anni di residenza in Spagna questi benefici scompaiono. E si va alla tassazione standard, cioè quasi il 50%. Per questo la conferma degli attuali emolumenti al lordo costerebbe al Barça circa 16 milioni.

E Ronaldinho chiede l'aumento a 10: quindi in prospettiva a 20. Uno scoglio che condiziona non poco il Barça peraltro alle prese con le richieste di Eto'o, già in tassazione piena perché risiede in Spagna dal '97. Così i rossoneri devono aspettare. Non solo il tema tecnico aiuta Ancelotti. Ma chi scarta il Barça? Ronaldinho o Eto'o? Vale la pena aspettare: chiunque sia tra i due.

http://www.goal.com/it/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=349711

zlatanov

11-07-2007, 08:35

Hasan Rossonero

11-07-2007, 08:41

yeah, I read the same on calciomercato.it:
http://www.calciomercato.it/dettaglioNewsCategoria.asp?hdnIdCategoria=1&hdnId=2461

it is something that does make sense and as it argues, the fiscal policies in SPain are qualled after 5 years with those in Italy, so Barca would be facing the same issues as Milan does when it comes to paying 50% taxes on player wages.
what's interesting is that they, Barca, would find themselves stretched on two fronts with Dinho's and Etoo's salary demands given that the latter has been in Spain for over a decade now.

One more reason why one of them would have to leave, I think, apart from the lack of space up front with 4 super-stars "fighting" for 3 spots on the team.
Well Zlat, I think our management will make a bid for Ronaldinho in the next few days. I don't know if Barca will accept, but I don't expect it to be 125 million euros!!

I think we're more likely to get Ronaldinho out of the two. I could see us bid about 60 million euros for the players, and use the remaining (if Berlu has indeed set aside 100) for the player's wages (Milan would have to add some as well).

rosoneri_11

11-07-2007, 08:44

I had a question. If the story for Ronaldinho is a fantasy where AS started it all then why Gazzetta who is a good newspaper had also written the same story?

zlatanov

11-07-2007, 08:51

I had a question. If the story for Ronaldinho is a fantasy where AS started it all then why Gazzetta who is a good newspaper had also written the same story?
it's simple - they didn't :grinser:

the two stories are separate from one another and contain different points - Gazzetta's is focused on why Spanish fiscal laws favour a Dinho-to-Milan move, while AS's story is a fairy tale that ain't gonna happen ... at least not in the Universe we live in, in theirs, it's already a fact :diablo:

Well Zlat, I think our management will make a bid for Ronaldinho in the next few days. I don't know if Barca will accept, but I don't expect it to be 125 million euros!!

I think we're more likely to get Ronaldinho out of the two. I could see us bid about 60 million euros for the players, and use the remaining (if Berlu has indeed set aside 100) for the player's wages (Milan would have to add some as well).
this one raises one other point why it may be in Barca's interest to sell now:
http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/index.php?action=read&id=66962

it argues that in the summer of 2009 Dinho would be able to use a FIFA clause that would allow him to buy-out his contract from Barca (as a player who'd be 28 yo) and thus leave for a very small amount compared to what they could get for him now.
Morgan de Sanctis is given as an example, and while I doubt it would go there, who knows what Dinho would be thinking in 2 years from now and Barca might not be willing to take the risk, not with Messi, Etoo and Henry already on board.

Tony29.

11-07-2007, 09:19

Stitch

11-07-2007, 09:28

how do you know that silvio himself has 100m€ ready for ronaldinho? IMO, it's a pure speculation that many of you take for granted, just because of some rumours, ever since the last transfer window opened.

Tony29.

11-07-2007, 09:33

zlatanov

11-07-2007, 09:35

Zlat, i don't understand this 28 yo rule.
Can any player who's over 28 buy out his contract, or only those over 28 yo who have only 1 year left on the contract ?
And does this rule count in Italy ?

Because both Trez and Camo wanted to leave Juve last summer but they couldn't, eventhough they were over 28 yo.
I myself am not sure what exactly the rule states and if what was mentioned in the papers - a player, who's 28 and over and has been at the club on the same contract for 3 years (I think) can buy-himelf out by paying the club his wages for the remaining years on his contract - is true or not.

it does seem to exist though but is not used very often and if it wasn't for the Lampard case I guess we would still not be aware of it. From the looks of it though, De Sanctis used that ... and there is a good chance others have used it too but it probably was never made public that they left on that rule.

If it's indeed a FIFA rule then it would be applicable everywhere, in all countries that are members of FIFA that is.

As for why Trez and Camo couldn't/didn't use it, one possibility is that their last contracts - the ones active a year ago - had been renewed less than 3 years before that, which would not make them eligible for that rule (at least from what I remember reading in the papers about it) ... or, there is also the chance they didn't want to leave but only use that as an excuse to have their salaries improved, although I doubt that in Trezeguet's case.

prifess

11-07-2007, 09:44

Milan chief Silvio Berlusconi is ready to pay Ronaldinho’s £89m release clause to bring him to San Siro, according to reports.

The Rossoneri have been repeatedly paired with the 2005 Golden Ball winner after the European champions stated that they were in pole position to sign the Brazilian if he decides to leave the Nou Camp.

Ronaldinho has been in contract talks with the Blaugrana, but despite reiterating that he was not set to leave the Spanish giants he is once again being linked with a Serie A switch.

Reports suggest that Milan will make a new offer to Barcelona over the next few days, as President Berlusconi is willing to pay the player’s £89m release clause if the Azulgrana refuse his offer.

Spanish newspaper AS also claims that ‘Dinho has already agreed to a five-year contract with the Rossoneri, worth £6m a season plus his entire lucrative image rights.

The Brazilian is currently contracted to Barca until 2010 and talks to extend his deal until 2014 have stalled so far, fuelling Berlusconi’s dream of seeing a Ronaldo, Kaka and Ronaldinho trident next term.

Hasan Rossonero

11-07-2007, 09:45

Stars will buy into 'pay as you go' system
An obscure Fifa rule could revolutionise the way the transfer market operates. Nick Harris reports
Published: 13 February 2007

Offered the chance to sign Frank Lampard for £8m this summer, or Steven Gerrard for £5m next year (when 28, and in his prime), many of Europe's biggest clubs would jump at the opportunity. Theoretically, it could happen, and Chelsea and Liverpool would be powerless to stop it.

Why? Because a piece of legislation that is more than five years' old has recently started to alter the way the transfer system works.

In short, it allows players unilaterally to break a contract after a "protected period" expires. This is after three years if they signed when under the age of 28 or two years if they signed when 28 or over, regardless of how long their contract is. They have to pay compensation to do this, calculated using a formula based on wages and their original transfer fee, but it means they can effectively "buy out" their contract.

The rules that allow this are misunderstood across the industry. They are not new, as widely reported, having been in place since September 2001. They are not simple or risk-free to exploit, hence the first case of a player invoking them only arrived in summer last year, when the Scotland defender, Andy Webster, left Heart of Midlothian for Wigan Athletic.

But with that precedent set, the effects could be huge, not least in boosting player power further when negotiating deals.

Lampard is the most valuable and prominent player in England who could exploit the rules this summer, to cancel his Chelsea contract. Xabi Alonso could do the same at Liverpool this year and Gerrard next year.

Gabriel Heinze could invoke the rules to leave Manchester United this summer, as could scores of players from clubs at various levels around Europe.

In the future, players exercising their rights in this way will possibly be said to have either "done a Webster" or "done an Article 17", after the Fifa regulation that allows it. Equally, players may opt not to invoke the rule at all, but still use it as leverage to earn record-breaking contracts.

When and how did this rule come into force?

It had its genesis in a decade-old dispute between the European Commission, which frames laws across Europe, and Fifa, football's world governing body. In 1998, the EC told Fifa it believed the transfer system as it stood was a barrier that prevented players' enjoying anything like the freedom of movement that other workers had.

Fifa argued that football is a special industry that requires contract stability. The EC agreed, within limits, but still wanted a degree of flexibility for players to move, even when they had voluntarily entered into a contract. The EC's logic was that in almost all other walks of life, people can move jobs easily, and have the right to do so for many reasons: personal, professional, a dislike of a current job, a better offer elsewhere, and so on. To cut an extremely long and tortuous story short, Fifa, the EC and Fifpro (the international umbrella body for players' unions) negotiated a new framework for the transfer system, which balanced a large degree of contractual stability (ie: a club's right to force a player to honour his contract) with get-out clauses for players after certain periods, and on certain conditions.

Hence, players can unilaterally "breach" a contract when the "protected period" expires. The new system was enshrined in articles 21 and 22 of the 2001 Fifa Regulations for the Status and Transfer of Players, which came into force in September that year. Subsequent revisions have not changed the rules, although the article now dealing with unilateral breaches of contract is Article 17.

What does Article 17 say?

Article 17 deals with the compensation that must be paid for a breach of contract, principally but not solely the value remaining on the contract, plus a pro rata sum towards the player's original cost, if applicable. For example, player X, age 25, joins club Y for £6m on a four-year deal in summer 2004, on wages of £50,000 a week. In summer 2007 he can breach his contract by paying his club compensation of £2.6m for the value of his remaining wages, plus £1.5m for the amortised value remaining on his original transfer fee, or a total of £4.1m. Lampard signed a five-year deal in 2004, so can breach this summer for two years' wages, or about £8m. (His original £11m price tag in 2001 has already amortised to zero).

Gerrard signed a four-year deal in 2005, so could breach in summer 2008 for one year's wages, or about £5m. As a Liverpool youth product, there is no transfer cost to factor in. He is also beyond the cut-off age (23) where Liverpool could claim development costs.

Is it that simple?

We are dealing with football contracts and politics, so no, obviously!

For a start, the compensation formula is not set in stone, and might include a discretionary element of increase in relation to the wages part of the equation. So Lampard or Gerrard might cost slightly more than their wages, say £10m and £6.5m, but still significantly less than their market value.

This would be assessed by Fifa's Dispute Resolution Chamber (DRC) - a three-man panel comprised of an association figure from the relevant country, a Fifpro rep, and an independent member - which crunches the numbers and arrives at a figure.

How does a player invoke a breach?

He must give his club formal notice within 15 days of the last match of his club's season (domestic or European, whichever comes later) in order to leave that summer.

What are the precedents?

Andy Webster was the first player in the world to invoke Article 17 and unilaterally breach his contract when he left Heart of Midlothian. Fifa has rubber-stamped his move to Wigan (and subsequent loan to Rangers), but the DRC has yet to announce how much compensation Hearts will receive, technically from Webster, in practice from Wigan. The DRC will decide the case on 23 February.

Fifpro expects the figure to be one year's wages under Webster's Hearts contract, amounting to £250,000. Hearts wanted £2m. Fifa says that "there are no final and binding decisions" in any of the "several" cases yet. This is mainly because so few have been brought forward.

Why is this?

One reason is the whole process is still a legal minefield, despite clear terms catering for player breaches within Fifa rules.

Technically, a club who hires a player who has "breached" might face sanctions for inducing a breach, although in practice, as in Webster's case, this is unlikely. The formula is not set in stone, so poses another element of risk.

Another reason is that many clubs have been wise to the rules for years, and make sure all their best (and especially younger) players never get near the end of the "protected period". They do this by regularly updating contracts to set the protected period back to zero. Manchester United are especially canny in this respect. It is less important with older players, because "buyouts" would in many cases be more expensive than a player's market value.

Is this player power gone mad?

No. It's the law. Every club should know it and negotiate accordingly. And think of it the other way round: clubs can theoretically "breach" too, if they pay a player the full value of the remainder of his contract.

Deal or no deal

Premiership clubs are nervously eyeing their biggest names to see who could make a cheap getaway Frank Lampard (Chelsea) Current deal Five-year, signed July 2004 Leaving date (under Fifa rule) At the end of this season Guide price Approximately£8m (two years' wages) Market value Approx £25m Stephen Gerrard (Liverpool) Current deal Four-year, signed July 2005 Leaving date End of 2007-08 season Guide price Approximately £5m (one year's wages) Market value £20m or more Xabi Alonso (Liverpool) Current deal Five-year, signed August 2004 Leaving date End of this season Guide price Around £10.3m - two years' wages (£6m) plus pro rata fee (£4.3m) Market value About £15m

Article 17: The precedent

Andy Webster: Now 24, the Scotland defender joined Hearts from Arbroath in 2001 for £70,000. In July 2003, he signed a new four-year deal, on £250,000 a year. In summer 2006, unhappy with the regime of the Hearts owner, Vladimir Romanov, he invoked Article 17 by handing in notice to break his contract unilaterally. He was entitled to do so because the three-season "protected period" of his contract had expired. He joined Wigan, and is now on loan at Rangers. Hearts had valued him at £2m on the open market. Fifa's Dispute Resolution Chamber is to decide on actual compensation. It is estimated it will be closer to £250,000 or the value of the one year remaining on Webster's Hearts contract.

Other players at major clubs who could pay to go soon

Arjen Robben (Chelsea) summer 2007, for two years' wages plus two-fifths of £12m fee.

Claude Makelele (Chelsea) summer 2007, for one year's wages.

Luis Garcia (Liverpool) summer 2007, for two years' wages plus two-fifths of £6.5m fee.

Gabriel Heinze (Man Utd) summer 2007, for two years' wages.

Gary Neville (Man Utd) summer 2007, for 18 months' wages.

Alan Smith (Man Utd) summer 2007, for two years' wages plus two-fifths of £7m fee.

Freddie Ljungberg (Arsenal) summer 2007, for two years' wages.

Jamie Carragher (Liverpool) summer 2008, for one year's wages.

Thierry Henry (Arsenal) summer 2008, for two years' wages.

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The independent: http://sport.independent.co.uk/football/comment/article2264652.ece

It's quite convoluted, but it is a very detailed explanation.

zlatanov

11-07-2007, 09:47

a bit off topic:

well, I guess we should just hand-in the scudetto, and the CL too, to Inter after Adriano's latest declaration of how he is gonna come back stronger than ever.

It's a good thing that for once he's been caught on camara in a parting athmosphere with a nice girl near him and ... lovehandles around his waste. :grinser:
Now the public will see his "human" side and no longer think of him as a dead-serious professional who's turned into a robot. :D

mrki

11-07-2007, 09:49

Concerning the money question, I dont have anything against Berlusconi spending 100 mln on Ronaldinho. Its not like we are Arsenal or Bayern so we have certain budget. We do have certain budget that pays for wages and "normal" players, but Berlusconi said himself many times that the only player he is ready to breake the bank for is Ronaldinho. 100mln is a big amount of money, but not too bih for him. Also, with proper marketing, aldough Ronaldinho will have all the image rights in his contract, Milan will also profit from him. He is 27 years old and has 4 or 5 seasons on top level, so he is still a "young" player by our standards :) Just bring the man in, he can rediscover his fitness like 2 seasons ago. He is not injured, he is just exausted.

Sleep

11-07-2007, 09:58

Hasan: I don't understand about two-fifths. Why some players have that and some others don't?

zlatanov

11-07-2007, 10:21

Hasan: I don't understand about two-fifths. Why some players have that and some others don't?
that depends on their current contract and if it involved a transfer fee.
for Instance Robben's contract is still the same one he signed when they bought him from PSV for 12 mil BP (on a 5 year deal) ... so, his buy out clause would include his remaning wages + the transfer fee for the remaining 2 years on the contract (2 years * 12 mil/5 years).

In other cases, like Henry for instance, the player was bought in say 2001 on a 5 year deal for let's say 15 mil euros. That makes his transfer worth to Arsenal 3 mil/season (3*5years = 15 mil euros) ...
so, the 15 mil ARsenal paid in transfer fees will depreciate by 3 mil for every new year he spends at the club, meaning that by the end of the first 5 years, that transfer fee would go to 0 i.e. Henry, by staying at Arsenal for 5 years, he would have "paid back" what they had gaven in transfer fees for him.

I still think that list is not entirely correct as in Heinze's case - he arrived at ManU in 2004, I think for around 13-14 mil - Heinze would still have to pay 2/5ths of those 13-14 mil in addition to his remaning wages.

btw, Hasan, thanks for the article :5ok:

Hasan Rossonero

11-07-2007, 10:21

Hasan: I don't understand about two-fifths. Why some players have that and some others don't?
I will give you a more detailed response later on tonight. I am inundated with work currently.

In short:

1) If a player signs a deal UNDER the age of 28, he can rescind his contract after three years by paying out the rest of his contract (based on a system). So, for example, Gerrard signed a deal in 2005, and at that time he was 25. In 2008 (three years after he signed), he can rescind his contract. If Gerrard had signed in 2006, he would have to wait till 2009 because even though he would be 28 in 2008, his three year wait period would still not have expired.

2) If a player is 28 years or over when signing a contract, he has to wait 2 years before he can rescind it. I suspect that is the case with Trezeguet. He may have renewed in 2005, when he was 28. So then he would have to wait 2 years before he could rescind his contract. But now he just renewed (at the age of 29). So he cannot rescind his contract until two years from now.

Tony29.

11-07-2007, 10:56

I myself am not sure what exactly the rule states and if what was mentioned in the papers - a player, who's 28 and over and has been at the club on the same contract for 3 years (I think) can buy-himelf out by paying the club his wages for the remaining years on his contract - is true or not.

it does seem to exist though but is not used very often and if it wasn't for the Lampard case I guess we would still not be aware of it. From the looks of it though, De Sanctis used that ... and there is a good chance others have used it too but it probably was never made public that they left on that rule.

If it's indeed a FIFA rule then it would be applicable everywhere, in all countries that are members of FIFA that is.

As for why Trez and Camo couldn't/didn't use it, one possibility is that their last contracts - the ones active a year ago - had been renewed less than 3 years before that, which would not make them eligible for that rule (at least from what I remember reading in the papers about it) ... or, there is also the chance they didn't want to leave but only use that as an excuse to have their salaries improved, although I doubt that in Trezeguet's case.
Thank you,
and thanx Hasan for the article

Hasan Rossonero

11-07-2007, 11:13

Don't mention it. My pleasure.

Giorgos

11-07-2007, 11:21

Out of subject, does anyone how we place in youtube how we place a photo in our proflie upwards to the left?

Tony29.

11-07-2007, 11:40

Out of subject, does anyone how we place in youtube how we place a photo in our proflie upwards to the left?
Could you be more specific ?
You need to put a picture in your Youtube profile ?

Giorgos

11-07-2007, 11:45

Yes Tony.... upwords in the left in order not to be blank.

zlatanov

11-07-2007, 11:48

Tony29.

11-07-2007, 11:49

Yes Tony.... upwords in the left in order not to be blank.
Try this :

1. Click on your username ( at the top)
2. Now, after you click on your username, on the left you should see : Edit Channel ( on orange background) ... click there
3. Now, you have many options ( URL, Title, description etc...) . Search for Channel Icon.
4. You have 2 options :
a) Use the last video I uploaded as my profile picture.
b)I'll select the profile picture from "My Videos"

5. Chose one of these options. If you chose A , then the last video you uploaded will be your profile picture. If you chose B then you can chose any picture from any video you uploaded

Hasan Rossonero

11-07-2007, 11:51

http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/index.php?action=read&id=66998

some interesting stuff - Luca Toni says that in the spring he had already agreed a deal with Milan but it is believed that Berlusconi intervened and blocked the move for several reasons:
1) the player's age 2) questions on his physical sondition and 3) Silvio wanted a dif type of striker
I actually thought Toni would be our surprise signing. I posted it a few weeks ago, but then he signed for Bayern :(. http://www.milanmania.com/forums/showthread.php?p=434554#post434554

R9naldo

11-07-2007, 11:59

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Spanish daily AS claims that Berlusconi is prepared to pay the 125 million Euros required to trigger Ronaldinho's buy-out clause at Barca.

The report claims that Milan will make a series of bids for the Brazilian forward, but if they do not succeed then such is Berlusconi's desire to bring him to the San Siro, he will meet the enormous buy-out clause, which would comfortably break the world transfer record currently held by Real Madrid, who paid £45.6million for Zinedine Zidane in 2001.

AS goes on to claim that an agreement has already been reached between Ronaldinho and Milan that will see him sign a five-year contract worth around £6million a year, plus exclusive image rights.

Ronaldinho has been in extensive contract negotiations with the Catalan giants to improve his current deal, which runs until 2010.

However talks have stalled, leaving the prospect of the Brazilian joining the European champions open.

mrki

11-07-2007, 12:02

Well Silvio was right as we have Pippo and Gila and dont need Toni. Aldough Toni is a great player and could do better than Gila at this moment, Gila is around 5 years younger and could still play as he used to do.

But it seems like every transfer in Milan has been monitored and decided by Berlusconi. Even Ribery said Carlo called him and Milan was interested but Silvio wanted different tipe of player. And we all know who does Berlusconi want...