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Hasan Rossonero
11-07-2007, 12:03
Barca Chief: Ronaldinho, Deco And Eto'o Not For Sale During an interview this morning, Barcelona president Joan Laporta insisted that veteran squad members such as Ronaldinho, Deco and Eto'o are going nowhere this summer, despite last season's failings...
Barca Chief: Ronaldinho, Deco And Eto'o Not For Sale
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Barca chief Joan Laporta spoke out about last season's squad in an interview with Catalunya Radio. Despite insisting that changes had to come this season, he defended some of the high-profile players involved.

Admitting that some players had "excessive confidence" last season, Laporta confirmed that he saw the problem as being almost solved. "We have a structure that works, a club that's in working order, and everything is under control. We had to fit in some screws," he said, referring to squad disharmony last season.

Eto'o and Ronaldinho were two players involved in unprofessional incidents last season. Laporta confirmed that any repetition of the problems of the last campaign may well see either one of the players disciplined by the club, but he insisted that they were not leaving the Nou Camp.

Still on the Ronaldinho theme, he claimed that the tendency of some players to miss training would "no longer be a problem" due to the new rules at the club.

He went on to defend coach Frank Rijkaard, proclaiming that he had complete confidence in the Dutchman, Rijkaard having demonstrated over the last four years that he is "right for Barca."

Finally, he hit back at suggestions that he was seen as a draconian figure by the players. "My relationship with the players is not one of permanent quarrelling," he intoned. "I'm not their father. I speak with them and reply to them; they know me, I know them and I respect them - to be a Barca player is not easy, as it requires sacrifice."

Laporta concluded by saying that he would not currently be renegotiating Ronaldinho's contract as it runs until 2010, although he hopes that both the Brazilian and Deco can return to their old form soon.

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goal.com

Stezagud
11-07-2007, 12:06
Yeah, Steza is really reliable, the other guy isn't.
But they were joking this time. They don't have inside info.


Actually i really did get told last night by someone i trust that Ronaldinho really will sign "within the fortnight". He didnt know the price but he was certain the deal was done :D I dont know for certain where he gets the info but its definately through betting circles and his hit rate for predicting transfers has been about 90%

Thats not to say he'll definately be right this time, but i do know he is 100% sure of the info himself :eek:

Time will tell i guess, and if he is wrong he owes me £10 so either way i will be smiling :D

Russo-Neri
11-07-2007, 12:06
ahh, I see Tony is still jealous about the info on Nedved he received free of charge the DAY BEFORE when he himself was saying bye-bye to the Czech :bri:

anyways, no Russo-Neri, Steza dowsn't have inside Info, he was just kidding ... as for the other guy, well, he likes seeing people scratch their heads ... like our friend Tony did when he read the news about nedved staying with Juve :grinser:


That "other guy" sounds cool :5ok:

Thanks Zlat

Giorgos
11-07-2007, 12:15
Try this :

1. Click on your username ( at the top)
2. Now, after you click on your username, on the left you should see : Edit Channel ( on orange background) ... click there
3. Now, you have many options ( URL, Title, description etc...) . Search for Channel Icon.
4. You have 2 options :
a) Use the last video I uploaded as my profile picture.
b)I'll select the profile picture from "My Videos"

5. Chose one of these options. If you chose A , then the last video you uploaded will be your profile picture. If you chose B then you can chose any picture from any video you uploaded

Thanks Tony

zlatanov
11-07-2007, 12:15
Actually i really did get told last night by someone i trust that Ronaldinho really will sign "within the fortnight". He didnt know the price but he was certain the deal was done :D I dont know for certain where he gets the info but its definately through betting circles and his hit rate for predicting transfers has been about 90%

Thats not to say he'll definately be right this time, but i do know he is 100% sure of the info himself :eek:

Time will tell i guess, and if he is wrong he owes me £10 so either way i will be smiling :D
you wish, I don't have 10 quid so ... you are out of luck pal :grinser:

btw, who needs betting circles when people can remember where they heard it first :bri: :diablo:

no problem, Russo-Neri :)

Tony29.
11-07-2007, 12:19
Thanks Tony
Why do i have a feeling i wasn't helpful at all ? :)


I've just heard the news on Rai Due and they said how Dinho's brother is asking for 10m euro/year salary and he won't go under that.

Kaka--7thUCL
11-07-2007, 12:21
[QUOTE=Gabriel489]Whats with all these talks about Lampard.

TO be honest, he is a solid player but nothing special.



I agree on that 1000%. He's a good player, but he's nothing AMAZING that astonishes you with everything he does on the ball, first of all Lampard and real moves is a definite no. I don't think he's ever once even put it through someones legs or over someones head.. He's a good player, low on technicality, good shot though, nothing amazing.

Kaka--7thUCL
11-07-2007, 12:31
TBH a lot of people could think this article is "bs" but I think Ronaldinho is ours.. He's been frustrated, unliked by Barca fans, I mean go on an all team forum like goal or w.e you want and see what Barca fans had to say.. Some are we don't care and hes crap etc etc, could just be jealousy because he's going to make Milan a top club :) I'm just concerned about one small thing, don't you think Kaka' and R10 will get into a lot of disagreements? And another thing, I still think we need a striker, if we get pato that's great he's young so he knows coming to milan he wouldnt get all the playing time he'd like but thats not all -- this provides Ronaldo a lot of playing time and if he were to get injured which is quite likely (hopefully not) we have an upcoming henry on the bench (Pato) but besides, even if R10 and Kaka' don't play in the starting 11 like we do 1 mid (and rotate between halves) and then 2 strikers (Pato and Ronaldo) Or you could do 1 striker 2 mids.. So basicly :


------------Ronaldo-------------Pato----------------
--------------------Kaka or R10---------------------

ORRR


--------------------Ronaldo or Pato-------------------
-------------Kaka'--------------------------R10------

I still don't see how all 4 can play together though.. it would look like..

-------------Ronaldo-------------Pato-------------------
---------R10-------------------------------K22----------
I don't even think this could work? Our defense or midfield would have to be weakened or we'd have to put heavy defensive mids behind them two to make defense and attack equally as powerful.. :S

ThrusT
11-07-2007, 12:36
TBH a lot of people could think this article is "bs" but I think Ronaldinho is ours.. He's been frustrated, unliked by Barca fans, I mean go on an all team forum like goal or w.e you want and see what Barca fans had to say.. Some are we don't care and hes crap etc etc, could just be jealousy because he's going to make Milan a top club :) I'm just concerned about one small thing, don't you think Kaka' and R10 will get into a lot of disagreements? And another thing, I still think we need a striker, if we get pato that's great he's young so he knows coming to milan he wouldnt get all the playing time he'd like but thats not all -- this provides Ronaldo a lot of playing time and if he were to get injured which is quite likely (hopefully not) we have an upcoming henry on the bench (Pato) but besides, even if R10 and Kaka' don't play in the starting 11 like we do 1 mid (and rotate between halves) and then 2 strikers (Pato and Ronaldo) Or you could do 1 striker 2 mids.. So basicly :


------------Ronaldo-------------Pato----------------
--------------------Kaka or R10---------------------

ORRR


--------------------Ronaldo or Pato-------------------
-------------Kaka'--------------------------R10------

I still don't see how all 4 can play together though.. it would look like..

-------------Ronaldo-------------Pato-------------------
---------R10-------------------------------K22----------
I don't even think this could work? Our defense or midfield would have to be weakened or we'd have to put heavy defensive mids behind them two to make defense and attack equally as powerful.. :S
We're not gonna play with 2 strikers if we have Dinho. :5hoest:

---------------------------Kaka--------------
--------Ronaldinho---------------------------
---------------------------------------------
----------------------Ronaldo-----------------

Warro Bantan
11-07-2007, 12:37
Whats with all these talks about Lampard. What talks? I didnt see anything worth reading about Lampard on this thread...but maybe I am mistaken..whatever, he isnt worth my time.

On to more interesting news: The "Ronaldinho to Milan" saga continues I see...hmmmm...nothing wrong with that...should be wrapped up in a few weeks, then its on to the debate of where he will play, who will be benched, and who else we will bring in.

Silly Season...the most fun time of year! :D

Kaka--7thUCL
11-07-2007, 12:37
For the time being I also think signing Ronaldinho,Pato, and Rossi would do us well for a long time.. Their quite young apart from R10 who's turning 28 but he still has 4 years to be a great player with Milan if he signs .. hopefully.. But yeah anyways back to the main point, r10,pato,rossi would be A GREAT transfer market, and a goalie would be awesome too and possibly some young defenders :) With 20m we should try to get Pato and 1 young defender instead of ****chenko and we could also get Rossi for a good fee, hopefully not more then 15.. I wouldn't pay more then 10 tbh but whatever we'll c my hopefuls for this transfer market are:

Att:Pato
Mid:Ronaldinho,Rossi
Defense: Zaccardo or someone else who's young..
Goalie: Get abbiati back!! Newaiisss

This market would cost alot though..
(euros)

Pato-15m
R10-125m
Rossi-15M
Zaccardo - 15M
Abbiati - (he's ours still isn't he?)

Newaiis grand fee is : 170M euros... A lot of money..I just wrote 15 as a round off I'm sure one of either pato zaccardo or rossi would cost 10-14 ..

Kaka--7thUCL
11-07-2007, 12:40
We're not gonna play with 2 strikers if we have Dinho. :5hoest:

---------------------------Kaka--------------
--------Ronaldinho---------------------------
---------------------------------------------
----------------------Ronaldo-----------------

Eh.. That sucks... I wanted Kaka,r10,ronaldo,pato, to play in the same starting 11..:(

drucurl
11-07-2007, 12:50
:wth: Chel$ki are getting Daniel Alves :mad: I thought they weren't buying this year :dontkn:
While we show off with our dream signing of Ba they have gotten Alex,Ben haim, Malouda AND Pizzaro :eekani: and are running down Pato faster than a Somalian with a barbecue ticket

King tiger
11-07-2007, 12:52
:wth: Chel$ki are getting Daniel Alves :mad: I thought they weren't buying this year :dontkn:

addiction is addiction.... :sweeteye:

mrki
11-07-2007, 12:53
Chelsky are always buying. This year they got Alex, Malouda and now Alves, as you say.

Cole-Alex-Terry-Alves for Chelsea !

Abidal-Puyol-Milito-Zambrotta for Barca !

Those defences are now stronger than ours...

Giorgos
11-07-2007, 13:06
Chelsky are always buying. This year they got Alex, Malouda and now Alves, as you say.

Cole-Alex-Terry-Alves for Chelsea !

Abidal-Puyol-Milito-Zambrotta for Barca !

Those defences are now stronger than ours...

So when i complain i become the "ugly" man, some of you understand that we start to loose in competition with the others while we don't fill any gap. That's the reason why i open the thread was CL good for our future transfer marketing. We all celebrated, you remembered how much posts i did for winning the trophie but it is always the next day in every part of our life.

zlatanov
11-07-2007, 13:08
yeah, we are doomed, yet again ... look at Chelski, or Barca, who would beat them now, they are SO strong ... and handsome too :D

and I am sure this year will be very different - not like last year when they didn't buy a single player and their squads were full of crap players, which was the main reason why they won ... an FA Cup ... altogether.

ooooh, it's so tough to be a Milan fan these days. :rolleyes:

Giorgos
11-07-2007, 13:10
Try this :

1. Click on your username ( at the top)
2. Now, after you click on your username, on the left you should see : Edit Channel ( on orange background) ... click there
3. Now, you have many options ( URL, Title, description etc...) . Search for Channel Icon.
4. You have 2 options :
a) Use the last video I uploaded as my profile picture.
b)I'll select the profile picture from "My Videos"

5. Chose one of these options. If you chose A , then the last video you uploaded will be your profile picture. If you chose B then you can chose any picture from any video you uploaded

Tony i don't like Juve, but i really like your tranfer options. I remember a friend of me in the job he is also journalist told me at the start of June that you had a great amount of money for tranfers. He also said that you would sell some players and with all this amount you will build your new team, that's the way it takes place.

So can you tell me by the first glance your future lineups?

mrki
11-07-2007, 13:13
yeah, we are doomed, yet again ... look at Chelski, or Barca, who would beat them now, they are SO strong ... and handsome too :D

and I am sure this year will be very different - not like last year when they didn't buy a single player and their squads were full of crap players, which was the main reason why they won ... an FA Cup ... altogether.

ooooh, it's so tough to be a Milan fan these days. :rolleyes:

No need for this, we were just saying what is the truth. Those defences ( if its true that Alves will be a Chelsea player ) are stronger than ours. Im not saying we cant win CL again, especially if we get one decent striker, I just pointed out how Barca managed to finnaly create decend back line consisting of relaible players like Milito, Zambrotta, Abidal... And Chelsea also.

Abidal himself said Milan wanted him, so our managment knows very well that we need cover on the LB. Its just that maybe they saw only him as a player that is available and could replace Marek.

Gabriel489
11-07-2007, 13:20
To be honest, a def. with Janku-Maldini-Nesta-Oddo
with Cafu, Bonera, Kaldaze on the bench are not bad. Wait a sec, Milan won the CL with that defense. So I guess that must be pretty good.
TO be honest, Greece won Euro 04 with Dellas as their main defender.
The point is that teams do not WIN ON PAPER, they WIN ON THE PITCH.

Things are picking up once again with the Dinho rumor. I always knew it is just too quiet on Dinho's front.

Saw another promotion poster of Barcelona coming to China to play at a resort. Last time I saw that poster, Eto was not on it, but today there is a new one with Deco, Eto, Inestia, Henry and Dinho. So I guess, maybe Eto was close but now he isn't.

Keeping my fingers cross and hoping for Dinho, Pato and (OWN PERSONAL IDEA) Babel, Zambrotta and Lucio

Giorgos
11-07-2007, 13:23
Try this :

1. Click on your username ( at the top)
2. Now, after you click on your username, on the left you should see : Edit Channel ( on orange background) ... click there
3. Now, you have many options ( URL, Title, description etc...) . Search for Channel Icon.
4. You have 2 options :
a) Use the last video I uploaded as my profile picture.
b)I'll select the profile picture from "My Videos"

5. Chose one of these options. If you chose A , then the last video you uploaded will be your profile picture. If you chose B then you can chose any picture from any video you uploaded

Then what i do after selectind b option, i mean how i select a picture? :grinser:

Tony29.
11-07-2007, 13:25
Tony i don't like Juve, but i really like your tranfer options. I remember a friend of me in the job he is also journalist told me at the start of June that you had a great amount of money for tranfers. He also said that you would sell some players and with all this amount you will build your new team, that's the way it takes place.

So can you tell me by the first glance your future lineups?

It's not easy to make a line-up because Ranieri likes to rotate a lot ( A LOOOOOOOT)

With the players Juve has at the moment it will look like this :

Buffon
Zebina/Grygera - Boumsong-Andrade-Chiellini
Camoranesi-Almiron-Tiago-Nedved
Del Piero-Trezeguet
some better sub players : Zanetti, Salihamidzic, Iaquinta, Marchionni, Palladino, Criscito..

But a new CD will be surely bought and i wouldn't be suprised if another midfielder comes to Juve so the best line up would be :
Buffon
Zebina/Grygera - New CD - Andrade-Chiellini
Camoranesi- Almiron /New MC - Tiago-Nedved
Del Piero - Trezeguet

Not good enough as Inter and Milan, and even Roma will probably finish above Juve, but the experience and winning mentality of the 5 stars, together with the quality of Tiago, Chiellini, Andrade should make Juve 70-30 favorites to win the 4th place in front of Fiorentina, Lazio and the likes !

Tony29.
11-07-2007, 13:28
Then what i do after selectind b option, i mean how i select a picture? :grinser:
Did you upload a video there ? ( becuase i didn't)
If you have an uploaded video then you should go to "My videos" and i believe you'll have an option to chose on of the uploaded videos as your profile picture.

_MaJi_tz
11-07-2007, 13:29
It's not easy to make a line-up because Ranieri likes to rotate a lot ( A LOOOOOOOT)

With the players Juve has at the moment it will look like this :

Buffon
Zebina/Grygera - Boumsong-Andrade-Chiellini
Camoranesi-Almiron-Tiago-Nedved
Del Piero-Trezeguet
some better sub players : Zanetti, Salihamidzic, Iaquinta, Marchionni, Palladino, Criscito..

But a new CD will be surely bought and i wouldn't be suprised if another midfielder comes to Juve so the best line up would be :
Buffon
Zebina/Grygera - New CD - Andrade-Chiellini
Camoranesi- Almiron /New MC - Tiago-Nedved
Del Piero - Trezeguet

Not good enough as Inter and Milan, and even Roma will probably finish above Juve, but the experience and winning mentality of the 5 stars, together with the quality of Tiago, Chiellini, Andrade should make Juve 70-30 favorites to win the 4th place in front of Fiorentina, Lazio and the likes !

Brazzo(salihamidzic)will be in first11

Giorgos
11-07-2007, 13:30
To be honest, a def. with Janku-Maldini-Nesta-Oddo
with Cafu, Bonera, Kaldaze on the bench are not bad. Wait a sec, Milan won the CL with that defense. So I guess that must be pretty good.
TO be honest, Greece won Euro 04 with Dellas as their main defender.
The point is that teams do not WIN ON PAPER, they WIN ON THE PITCH.

Things are picking up once again with the Dinho rumor. I always knew it is just too quiet on Dinho's front.

Saw another promotion poster of Barcelona coming to China to play at a resort. Last time I saw that poster, Eto was not on it, but today there is a new one with Deco, Eto, Inestia, Henry and Dinho. So I guess, maybe Eto was close but now he isn't.

Keeping my fingers cross and hoping for Dinho, Pato and (OWN PERSONAL IDEA) Babel, Zambrotta and Lucio

Dellas was great at that time, Rehagel continued to use him after Euro and he was bad. That was one of the reasons we critisized him a lot. He changed him. So Milan must do.

To ask we don't need a LB at first? Janku is a good player bad not defender, remember Pennant dancing. Secondly, we will start with Nesta and Kaladze, if one of hte others get injured and other get card what we will do?

otoniel
11-07-2007, 13:31
wtf?? so milan didnt sign dinho or what?? too much talking no action

Tony29.
11-07-2007, 13:33
Brazzo(salihamidzic)will be in first11 I hope so because i like Braco very much, but in Juventus i think he will be an all-round sub.
He can play RB , RM and against Milan in CL he even played LM.
He can be the sub for Nedved, Camoranesi and the right backs. Plus he offers quality and speed wherever he plays. That's why i like him !

Giorgos
11-07-2007, 13:36
Did you upload a video there ? ( becuase i didn't)
If you have an uploaded video then you should go to "My videos" and i believe you'll have an option to chose on of the uploaded videos as your profile picture.


That's my profile :5ok:

So i need to upload from proposed videos or from one i had already.

If you like the rest of people here, give me your youtube profile adress

I know i am out of subject but it's not nice to open a new thread for everything we cope with. :5ok:

Giorgos
11-07-2007, 13:38
Did you upload a video there ? ( becuase i didn't)
If you have an uploaded video then you should go to "My videos" and i believe you'll have an option to chose on of the uploaded videos as your profile picture.


http://uk.youtube.com/profile?user=paokarag

That's my profile

So i need to upload from proposed videos or from one i had already.

If you like the rest of people here, give me your youtube profile adress

I know i am out of subject but it's not nice to open a new thread for everything we cope with.

mrki
11-07-2007, 13:50
Salihamidžić is one of the dirtiest players I've ever seen, perfect for Juve stile. I really hate this guy as much as I hate for example Poulsen. And Gattuso doesnt like them either :)

I hope there will be some transfers untill friday night as Im leaving on vacation and I dont have internet in there!! So hurry up Galliani!

hitmannq8
11-07-2007, 13:54
Has Ryan Babel signed for Liverpool yet? After he was linked to a move with us earlier this summer did anything materialize? I like how he plays, very much like Henry.

Well since the Dinho-Milan rumours started heating up again the only one to deny it so far is Laporta. Let's see what happens. Btw Barca signed Gabi Milito for something like 17m, add this to Thierry Henry's 14m, Abidal's 12m (i think?) and Yaya Toure's 9m (not sure). Thats around 52m summer spending without them winning anything last summer, I wonder where do they get their money from. Maybe they have agreed a deal with Milan to sign Dinho a long time ago?

Giorgos
11-07-2007, 13:54
Salihamidžić is one of the dirtiest players I've ever seen, perfect for Juve stile. I really hate this guy as much as I hate for example Poulsen. And Gattuso doesnt like them either :)

I hope there will be some transfers untill friday night as Im leaving on vacation and I dont have internet in there!! So hurry up Galliani!

Where are you going? :5ok:

Giorgos
11-07-2007, 13:56
Has Ryan Babel signed for Liverpool yet? After he was linked to a move with us earlier this summer did anything materialize? I like how he plays, very much like Henry.

Well since the Dinho-Milan rumours started heating up again the only one to deny it so far is Laporta. Let's see what happens. Btw Barca signed Gabi Milito for something like 17m, add this to Thierry Henry's 14m, Abidal's 12m (i think?) and Yaya Toure's 9m (not sure). Thats around 52m summer spending without them winning anything last summer, I wonder where do they get their money from. Maybe they have agreed a deal with Milan to sign Dinho a long time ago?

It's a logical way of thinking. But only Dinho? at least Lb?

Tony29.
11-07-2007, 14:01
Real wasn't winning anything and they were still buying and buying and buying.
Inter did the same every single year and this summer Juve already spent 50m euro eventhough they came back from serie B.

Teams like Barcelona don't get their money only by winning trophies.

And your math is wrong :)
Henry came to Barca for 24m so it makes ~62m in total

Edit : You see what you can do with 60-70m ?
If Barcelona sell Dinho for 70m they'll have 8m for themselves+ Milito, Abidal, Henry and Toure.
I think this is what Zlat ment in the past when he was saying these 70m or so, Berlu plans to spend on Dinho, can be used in a better way

Hasan Rossonero
11-07-2007, 14:06
Lazio have sold Foggia to Lazio.

www.gazzetta.it

zlatanov
11-07-2007, 14:08
Has Ryan Babel signed for Liverpool yet? After he was linked to a move with us earlier this summer did anything materialize? I like how he plays, very much like Henry.

Well since the Dinho-Milan rumours started heating up again the only one to deny it so far is Laporta. Let's see what happens. Btw Barca signed Gabi Milito for something like 17m, add this to Thierry Henry's 14m, Abidal's 12m (i think?) and Yaya Toure's 9m (not sure). Thats around 52m summer spending without them winning anything last summer, I wonder where do they get their money from. Maybe they have agreed a deal with Milan to sign Dinho a long time ago?
Babel seems to be close to Pool and Ajax are asking for 20 mil for him ...

as for Barca, I think their spending spree was more like 17 (+3 more depending on CL performances) for Milito, 24 mil for Henry, 13 for Toure (9 to Monaco and 4 to Matalurg) and 13/14 for Abidal.
So roughly 70 mil euros, so far.

You should keep in mind however that often transfers are paid over 2-3 years so they may well not have to pay those 70 mil at once this summer.

Tony, Real, unlike Barca however, got rid of their debts and signed a monstrous tv deal so they can afford to buy, buy, and buy without winning ... Barca still has that debt of several hundred million euros, I believe.

Giorgos
11-07-2007, 14:08
Lazio have sold Foggia to Lazio.

www.gazzetta.it


? :grinser:

zlatanov
11-07-2007, 14:12
Lazio have sold Foggia to Lazio.

www.gazzetta.it
the perfect example of money laundering or purging the books :D

Tony29.
11-07-2007, 14:13
Lazio have sold Foggia to Lazio.

www.gazzetta.it
What ?????

Edit : Looooool, it was a typo.
Lazio sold Foggia to Cagliari is what you ment

Hasan Rossonero
11-07-2007, 14:17
What ?????

Edit : Looooool, it was a typo.
Lazio sold Foggia to Cagliari is what you ment
Right that's what I meant. :dielaugh:

Mystik
11-07-2007, 14:38
Berlu should leave the FOOTBALL DECISIONS to the FOOTBALL MANAGEMENT and really stick to the financial aspect of the club. How can Berlu decide which player is best for the club..he shouldn't bother hire coaches then. Although I do agree that Toni wasn't the striker for us but that wouldn't be the first time Berlu says that a player isn't right for club. Is Berlu one of our scouts or something?

Ghost
11-07-2007, 14:38
Barca still has that debt of several hundred million euros, I believe.

I think a few years back it was like 180 Million and now Laporta has stated that the new debt is only something like 100 Million.

When you look at there aren't many giant teams in Europe who aren't in debt - Milan & Madrid to name a few.

Warro Bantan
11-07-2007, 14:51
Berlu should leave the FOOTBALL DECISIONS to the FOOTBALL MANAGEMENT and really stick to the financial aspect of the club. How can Berlu decide which player is best for the club..he shouldn't bother hire coaches then. Although I do agree that Toni wasn't the striker for us but that wouldn't be the first time Berlu says that a player isn't right for club. Is Berlu one of our scouts or something?

Berlu has been responsible for bringing some of the best players ever to play in a Milan shirt to Milan...MVB, Sheva, Ronaldo, Rui Costa...Gullit, etc...all came on his direct intervention.

The thing is, IMO Berlu does kno a thing or two about football and players, and because it was:

a) His eye for talent that brought great players,
b) His understanding of the need of state of the art infrastructure to keep players fit and prolong their playing lifespan, that created Milanello,
c) His money,

that made us such a successfull club. over the last 20 years.

I would tend to think that, even if he has made a few mistakes, eg Vieri and Rivaldo, the successes far outweigh these...so, I disagree with you completely. He isnt a coach, but he does have an appreciation and undestanding of what makes a good footballer, and as such, I respect his decisions, even if I dont agree with all of them.

He is one of the few owners that does understand football, and what it takes to make a successful team... :respect:

Tony29.
11-07-2007, 14:52
When you look at there aren't many giant teams in Europe who aren't in debt - Milan & Madrid to name a few.
What do you mean by this ?
Is Inter or Juve in debt ?
I'm seriously asking this. I have no idea how things go.
I know Milan and Inter were in huge minus (especially Inter, with 180m euro minus) a year or two ago but i thought their presidents covered it. I know Juve was always finishing in plus except for this last year when they had ~35m euro minus.
I read many english teams are in debt but i have no idea how do they finish in minus and how do they cover the loses.

Hasan Rossonero
11-07-2007, 14:54
Berlu has been responsible for bringing some of the best players ever to play in a Milan shirt to Milan...MVB, Sheva, Ronaldo, Rui Costa...Gullit, etc...all came on his direct intervention.

The thing is, IMO Berlu does kno a thing or two about football and players, and because it was:

a) His eye for talent that brought great players,
b) His understanding of the need of state of the art infrastructure to keep players fit and prolong their playing lifespan, that created Milanello,
c) His money,

that made us such a successfull club. over the last 20 years.

I would tend to think that, even if he has made a few mistakes, eg Vieri and Rivaldo, the successes far outweigh these...so, I disagree with you completely. He isnt a coach, but he does have an appreciation and undestanding of what makes a good footballer, and as such, I respect his decisions, even if I dont agree with all of them.

He is one of the few owners that does understand football, and what it takes to make a successful team... :respect:

He also brought Sacchi to Milan in 1987 after seeing the way Parma played against us.

Stitch
11-07-2007, 15:03
Salihamidzic is a wheener. Although he's from my country, I have a highly negative opinion of him. Have you ever heard of a player who deliberately goes for hard foul in order to get a red card, so that he wouldn't have to come to the next game of national team? That's the kind of a man he is, and as such, perfect for Juve :D

EDIT: my previous post, I questioned the 100m Berlu has put aside for Dinho - someone said Berlu himself stated that during last transfer window - possible, if true, I missed that quote :)

Warro Bantan
11-07-2007, 15:18
He also brought Sacchi to Milan in 1987 after seeing the way Parma played against us. He also sacked Terim (much to mine and Debs initial dismay) and brought in Carlo, and honestly, in retrospect, (2 UCLs and one scudetto later) I think he made the correct decision. :5ok:

FORZA BERLU!!

Mystik
11-07-2007, 15:20
He is one of the few owners that does understand football, and what it takes to make a successful team...

Is that a slight jibe at Abromavich?? :D

Stezagud
11-07-2007, 15:28
I read many english teams are in debt but i have no idea how do they finish in minus and how do they cover the loses.

there are different forms of debt.

For example, Utd remain the most profitable club in the world and on paper are usually tens of millions in the black every year. The debt Utd are in is actually that of the owners who borrowed to buy the club. As such the debt isnt Utds and doesnt affect Utds day to day running, the only problem would be if the owners decided to sell and wanted to make some money back and decided to make some money through asset stripping (selling players, maybe even Old Trafford :eek: )

I think the other EPL club with a major debt is Arsenal who borrowed millions to fund their new stadium. That debt is balanced out against future season ticket sales, a bit like buying a house and renting it to someone else, their rent pays your mortgage. As Arsenal charge thousands for season tickets (£20k for the most expensive :eek: ) and have a huge waiting list they arent in much danger of missing payments ;)

This goes into a bit more detail:

http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7007505615

Tony29.
11-07-2007, 15:42
Salihamidzic is a wheener. Although he's from my country, I have a highly negative opinion of him. Have you ever heard of a player who deliberately goes for hard foul in order to get a red card, so that he wouldn't have to come to the next game of national team? That's the kind of a man he is, and as such, perfect for Juve :D
Oh, please. Now he went to Juve and he's suddenly an awful character.
He's nothing Mrki presented to be. Gattuso is a looooooot worst than Brazzo is when we talk about dirty play and fouling ( what he did to Nedved is far worse than what Brazzo was doing in his entire career).
If he wasn't such a proffesional he wouldn't have lasted 9 years in the most disciplined country and team in the world (Germany/Bayern)
As for Bosnian NT....If i'm not wrong he and 11 other players ( 7 stars of the team) don't like to play for the NT because of the Bosnian FA.
And he did refuse to play for Bosnia many times in the past but he's still a legend for your NT. He always had reasons for what he did. Yes, throwing the jersey, refusing to go to Bosnia and play for the NT is smthg that can be described as his sin, but he explained his reasons for that. He has chosen Bayern and he gave everything to Bayern. When he was motivated he gave everything to Bosnia ( remember Denmark). Then he wasn't motivated anymore to play international football but your coaches continued to call him or to train discipline on him. He refused to play for Germany just so he could play for BiH but Balkan people will be Balkan people i guess.

He doesn't want to play for the NT ? Pfff, lets kill Nesta then !
Stop reading "Avaz".... many of you Bosnians form your opinion based on what you read in the papers and you spit on the players who gave you so much :)

Oh, and as for the red card...
He got it against San Marino after scoring 2 goals. Do you remember how he got it ? He went out of the field with a bloody nose and almost broken jaw. In the first half he got a yellow card and at HT he was begging the coach to take him out because those San Marino amateurs almost killed him. The coach normally refused to do so and Brazzo got mad at this decission.

To sum up : Great and useful player who gives everything for the club !


EDIT: my previous post, I questioned the 100m Berlu has put aside for Dinho - someone said Berlu himself stated that during last transfer window - possible, if true, I missed that quote :)
"Ho messo da parte 100 milioni di euro per Ronaldinho" ( i've put aside 100m euro for Ronaldinho)

This was a headline of one Gazzetta dello sporet article. I can't find the original article from Gazzetta but you can see it here :
http://www.goal.com/it/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=282859&PgId=5

Nordahl
11-07-2007, 15:59
Berlu should leave the FOOTBALL DECISIONS to the FOOTBALL MANAGEMENT and really stick to the financial aspect of the club.

I fully disagree with Mystik on that matter. I guess Berlusconi is much more capable than Galliani in every aspect of football management.

King tiger
11-07-2007, 16:11
Stop reading "Avaz".... many of you Bosnians form your opinion based on what you read in the papers and you spit on the players who gave you so much

nemoj vrijedjat covjeka :D

rosoneri_11
11-07-2007, 16:20
Lazio have sold Foggia to Lazio.

www.gazzetta.it


And also they bought Vieri! :grinser: He was free.

Mystik
11-07-2007, 16:25
By the way I retract my statement after irrefutable evidence of Berlu's credibility offered by the great Warro my fellow islander :D

Hasan Rossonero
11-07-2007, 16:25
You know, in footballing terms Ronaldinho is not the ideal player to join us. We need a striker like Sheva (when in his prime). Unfortunately, since he is 31, his arrival would be a step backwards.

Yet we also have to look at the POSSIBLE transfer of Dinho with a shade of cynicism. Football nowadays is a completely different beast to what it was in the 80s or even the mid 90s. Back then, TV deals weren’t such a significant source of revenue, and merchandising was of peripheral importance. Now, however, for better or for worse, mainly for the worse IMO, football is also about how well you market yourselves as a club.

Gazzetta dello Sport claims that Kaka’s contract renewal will also have a feature that will see Milan “invest in his image as a leader”. When I read that, I was kind of bewildered as to what exactly that entails. Yet a little more thought illuminates the sentence perfectly: Kaka will be the face of Milan. Capello touched on this when he said that “Maldini was the beautiful face of Milan, and now that function belongs to Kaka.”

With the new TV deal set to come into effect in 2010, the bigger Serie A clubs will have to think of ways to expand their revenue portfolio (I’ve touched on this before, and I mean beyond patrons backing them with their cash). No longer can the likes of Milan, Juventus or Inter expect to greedily monopolize on TV rights (which account for 60% of their revenues; compare this to English clubs where it is 30% of their revenues) and ignore elementary revenue sources such as shirt sales etc. That is not to say that they haven’t been exploring those avenues, but they will have to focus on it a bit more than they have.

Ronaldinho would represent a cash cow and then some. And let’s not forget he can play a little as well. Not for nothing did Galliani want Beckham to come to Milan. Surely, a one-footed, past-his-best player would be a dubious move in footballing terms, but in commercial terms it would be undeniably astute.

We can all debate the vexed topic of the morality of such decisions, but it is what it is.


My two cents.

drucurl
11-07-2007, 16:35
Berlu has been responsible for bringing some of the best players ever to play in a Milan shirt to Milan...MVB, Sheva, Ronaldo, Rui Costa...Gullit, etc...all came on his direct intervention.

The thing is, IMO Berlu does kno a thing or two about football and players, and because it was:

a) His eye for talent that brought great players,
b) His understanding of the need of state of the art infrastructure to keep players fit and prolong their playing lifespan, that created Milanello,
c) His money,

that made us such a successfull club. over the last 20 years.

I would tend to think that, even if he has made a few mistakes, eg Vieri and Rivaldo, the successes far outweigh these...so, I disagree with you completely. He isnt a coach, but he does have an appreciation and undestanding of what makes a good footballer, and as such, I respect his decisions, even if I dont agree with all of them.

He is one of the few owners that does understand football, and what it takes to make a successful team...
Great post 'mon :respect: meh agree 100% wid everything you ah say. FIRE PON de Berlu haters :D To RAS wid dem! Slew dem all :zany: !!! :1five:

Anybody remembers in the 2003 CL Campaing Berlu FORCED Ancelotti to play with two strikers :haha: AND we ended up beating everybody

Stitch
11-07-2007, 16:43
.....



100mil thankyous for the source :)

As for Hasan, I did not say anything about his career in Bayern, did I? He was devoted to them just as he should be to our NT. By the way I, and many more people, support his decision not to play for NT any more, although there's initiative to try to persuade him to continue.

You simply can not compare Nesta's decisions with Hasan's. Italy is a big football nation, and has many talented players, so his decision won't affect NT as much as Hasan's would if he played with his heart for Bosnia. Look at Sergej Barbarez for example. He had good and bad games for NT, he played in all positions, from Sweeper, CD, MD, ST...and even if he did bad, you could see that he's trying, he led by example and all of players fed of his energy. Many of us consider him football god :)
The point is - small countries can't give up precious talent that easily as Italy for exaple can (Giricek or Vujcic for your country?)

As for Bosnian FA - yes, there's a lot of protests against them, BUT... when he plays for NT, he is not playing for THEM, he should play for his country, and take pride in it, he should play for all of supporters and everybody who want the team to win. Look at our NT now, without egos and big players (the most famous is Zlatan Muslimovic), we're second in group (EURO Qual) and 28th on FIFA's list (and we were never this high with Hasan in team). I know he did not show this true character in Bayern, but he was cancer for Bosnian NT, and I don't know how log will it be before he shows it in Juve :zany:

EDIT: you are wrong - he announced his decision before the "7 stars" :)
And I did not talk about his dirty play in Bayern, that's mrki's opinion :)

Hasan Rossonero
11-07-2007, 16:47
Looks like Tevez to Man U is a very tricky one. http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=444744&cc=5901

Warro Bantan
11-07-2007, 16:48
Is that a slight jibe at Abromavich?? :D Just slight...

And might I say that I respect your retraction...u r truly a gentleman. :respect:

Mystik
11-07-2007, 16:50
Well I'm still a teen so I obviously don't know THAT much about Milan so I'm always willing to learn from people who have been serious Milan fans for much longer than I have.

Stitch
11-07-2007, 16:51
and Hasan_Rossonero, we're not talking about you :grinser:

Tony29.
11-07-2007, 16:59
and Hasan_Rossonero, we're not talking about you :grinser:
Loooooool
Don't lie. You said that Hasan (Rossonero) is a whiner and you have a highly negative opinion about him :haha:

Nah, you know, Brazzo felt like a Yugoslavian more than a Bosnian, like all of us did, until 1992. When the Bosnian inside of you Bosnians was formed he was already in Germany. He spent bigger part of his life in Germany than he did in Bosnia. That's where he started proffesionally in 1992 and that's where he made his name. He was in Germany for more than 15 years.
So, maybe he never felt Bosnian enough.
Also, he was always the most known name from Bosnian NT. Many managers didn't know a single Bosnian player apart from Brazzo when they played against BiH and they had all their attention on him. He was beaten a lot and they all tried to neutralize him. He was never a sure starter in Bayern and he couldn't afford a bad injury in the NT...an injury that could have meant an end of his career in Bayern starting XI.

Enough talk about a Juve player, don't you think ? :)

Stitch
11-07-2007, 17:43
Ugh, enough is enough, really :D

I'm curious, although it's not related to summer mercato, Milan, Italy, or footbal at all :grinser: what's your opinion on Gira and Vuja's refusal to play for NT?

The great gods of moderation will forgive us this offtopic :w221: :v408:

i hope :D

Tony29.
11-07-2007, 18:00
Ugh, enough is enough, really :D

I'm curious, although it's not related to summer mercato, Milan, Italy, or footbal at all :grinser: what's your opinion on Gira and Vuja's refusal to play for NT?

The great gods of moderation will forgive us this offtopic :w221: :v408:

i hope :D
You know....how do you think Brazilians feel at Dinho and Kaka not playing in Coppa America ?
The reason for these 2 not playing for Brazil is the same for Giricek and Vujcic. There is a EURO in every 2 years. With the world cups and olympics, many basket players have absolutly no time for resting. They are tired and they need rest. Sometimes we think we're such big nationalists and we love our country more than anyone else. It's not true. Many of the so called "domoljubi" would do the same thing CRO Basket players did.
Kaka, Ronaldinho, Salihamidzic, Giricek, Vujcic gave so much for their country. They played without a rest for years and years and they all gave so much joy to the people from the country they represented.
They are people not robots ! We easily forget and spit at legends.
Make the championships to last 6 months instead of 9. Let them play 30 matches a year instead of 60 and none of them will refuse to play for the NT !

Bosniaco
11-07-2007, 18:07
Loooooool
Don't lie. You said that Hasan (Rossonero) is a whiner and you have a highly negative opinion about him :haha:

Nah, you know, Brazzo felt like a Yugoslavian more than a Bosnian, like all of us did, until 1992. When the Bosnian inside of you Bosnians was formed he was already in Germany. He spent bigger part of his life in Germany than he did in Bosnia. That's where he started proffesionally in 1992 and that's where he made his name. He was in Germany for more than 15 years.
So, maybe he never felt Bosnian enough.
Also, he was always the most known name from Bosnian NT. Many managers didn't know a single Bosnian player apart from Brazzo when they played against BiH and they had all their attention on him. He was beaten a lot and they all tried to neutralize him. He was never a sure starter in Bayern and he couldn't afford a bad injury in the NT...an injury that could have meant an end of his career in Bayern starting XI.

Enough talk about a Juve player, don't you think ? :)
Tony dont ever say this again. Hasan Salihamidzic je pravi Bosanac. He was always proud to be Bosnian and he never said that he is Yugoslavian, German, or anything else but BOSNIAN. So dont say things that are not true and things that you dont know about.
I have to say that Brazzo played for Bosnia in 1995 when Bosnia played their frist games as separated nation and as part of FIFA. I think Brazzo was like 19 or 20 years old at the time.

Stitch
11-07-2007, 18:12
Well, we have different opinions, but that's alright :)

Back to the topic :)

I was so against Dinho when these rumours began, but now I'm so desperate for a big name signing, I'd suport John Travolta to Milan :D

Ghost
11-07-2007, 18:17
I would love it if we pinched Samir Nasri.

Tony29.
11-07-2007, 18:26
Tony dont ever say this again. Hasan Salihamidzic je pravi Bosanac. He was always proud to be Bosnian and he never said that he is Yugoslavian, German, or anything else but BOSNIAN. So dont say things that are not true and things that you dont know about.
I have to say that Brazzo played for Bosnia in 1995 when Bosnia played their frist games as separated nation and as part of FIFA. I think Brazzo was like 19 or 20 years old at the time.
Yes, i was wrong. It was just a possibility i mentioned.
Btw, nice to see a Milan fan with an avatar of a Juve player :D

Mystik
11-07-2007, 18:41
I am starting to warm up to this Dinho idea...as long as he isn't TOO much of a financial sacrifice for Berlu. Barca plays with only 1 true DM and all the rest of the midfielders are attack minded players. So even if Dinho comes and we play the 4-3-2-1 or 4-3-1-2 however you want to look at it, Clarence will still get to play in the midfield 3 and Gourcuff & the new MF will still still get to relieve he and Pirlo from time to time while Gattuso and Ambro also alternate the DM role. Also Kaka and Dinho can alternate who's being the striker and who's being the trequartista at any particular point in the match.

Dida;Oddo,Nesta,Kaladze,Janku;Gattuso,Pirlo,Clarence;Kaka;Dinho,R99 isn't too bad afterall :D

Tony29.
11-07-2007, 18:58
Was this posted ?
http://goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=350256

Barca Chief: Ronaldinho, Deco And Eto'o Not For Sale During an interview this morning, Barcelona president Joan Laporta insisted that veteran squad members such as Ronaldinho, Deco and Eto'o are going nowhere this summer, despite last season's failings...
Barca Chief: Ronaldinho, Deco And Eto'o Not For Sale
zoom - galleria
Barca chief Joan Laporta spoke out about last season's squad in an interview with Catalunya Radio. Despite insisting that changes had to come this season, he defended some of the high-profile players involved.

Admitting that some players had "excessive confidence" last season, Laporta confirmed that he saw the problem as being almost solved. "We have a structure that works, a club that's in working order, and everything is under control. We had to fit in some screws," he said, referring to squad disharmony last season.

Eto'o and Ronaldinho were two players involved in unprofessional incidents last season. Laporta confirmed that any repetition of the problems of the last campaign may well see either one of the players disciplined by the club, but he insisted that they were not leaving the Nou Camp.

Still on the Ronaldinho theme, he claimed that the tendency of some players to miss training would "no longer be a problem" due to the new rules at the club.

He went on to defend coach Frank Rijkaard, proclaiming that he had complete confidence in the Dutchman, Rijkaard having demonstrated over the last four years that he is "right for Barca."

Finally, he hit back at suggestions that he was seen as a draconian figure by the players. "My relationship with the players is not one of permanent quarrelling," he intoned. "I'm not their father. I speak with them and reply to them; they know me, I know them and I respect them - to be a Barca player is not easy, as it requires sacrifice."

Laporta concluded by saying that he would not currently be renegotiating Ronaldinho's contract as it runs until 2010, although he hopes that both the Brazilian and Deco can return to their old form soon.

Hasan Rossonero
11-07-2007, 19:32
@Tony29

Yeah I posted it a few posts back

milanista mosta
11-07-2007, 19:48
OOOOOOOOoo Berlu want you buy me a Ronaldinhoooooooooooooooo...my firends all......bla,bla,bla :D

Blacktop
11-07-2007, 19:51
I can see Seedorf cheating with Carlo's wife after this formation.
*snort* Nice. :) I just saw that today.

Bosniaco
11-07-2007, 20:03
Yes, i was wrong. It was just a possibility i mentioned.
Btw, nice to see a Milan fan with an avatar of a Juve player :D
I had to quote this, I did put this avatar because he is a Bosnian player since Im Bosnian I think that explains it. :5ok:
But I will change it now to my old avatar....

drucurl
11-07-2007, 21:56
I had to quote this, I did put this avatar because he is a Bosnian player since Im Bosnian I think that explains it. :5ok:
But I will change it now to my old avatar....
Great Avatar but I think you'll be getting a call from the [censored] lawyers for defamation :guw:

I mean you did put Juve and Inter on it :zany:
I'd be offended too if someone put me in a steaming pile of Juve and Inter :haha:

Tony29.
11-07-2007, 22:03
You know, people usually put as avatars things or people they like.
Dru has Ronaldo's jersey, Hasan has Nesta, i have Gianni Agnelli, Warro has Milan's amblem, BmwTaylor has Dida, Zlat has Galliani, Giorgo's has PAOK's symbol, while Bosniaco has a piece of .....

:rolleyes:

;)

Bosniaco
11-07-2007, 22:05
Great Avatar but I think you'll be getting a call from the $h!t's lawyers for defamation :guw:

I mean you did put Juve and Inter on it :zany:
I'd be offended too if someone put me in a steaming pile of Juve and Inter :haha:
Hihihhi u are funny :) :5ok:

People does anyone know which Ibrahim Ba is this:

http://www.fcthun.ch/index.php?id=68&tx_pmclubchampionsship_pi1[detailUID]=53&cHash=8e39206ffa

Also I think it says there that he has been there since 15.6.2007 is this the Ibrahim Ba that was traning with us?

Bosniaco
11-07-2007, 22:10
You know, people usually put as avatars things or people they like.
Dru has Ronaldo's jersey, Hasan has Nesta, i have Gianni Agnelli, Warro has Milan's amblem, BmwTaylor has Dida, Zlat has Galliani, Giorgo's has PAOK's symbol, while Bosniaco has a piece of .....

:rolleyes:

;)
Well, you like to see Gianni I like to see a [censored] on the two you knoww who... and lets end it here its a Summer Mercato topic :5ok:

Tony29.
11-07-2007, 22:13
Well, you like to see Gianni I like to see a [censored] on the two you knoww who... and lets end it here its a Summer Mercato topic :5ok:
Actually we shouldn't end it here.
You can write Juve is [censored] and put that as your avatar but on your avatar you have a real piece of [censored].
What kind of man will put a piece of [censored] in his avatar ?
I may be eating you know !

And that Ibrahima Ba is obviously a Thun player. He's 11 years younger than Ibrahim Ba !

Tony29.
11-07-2007, 22:19
btw, Barca shouldn't think twice and they should sell Dinho.....Messi is crazyyyyy
He scored a beauty a minute ago !

eltomas2
11-07-2007, 22:21
btw, Barca shouldn't think twice and they should sell Dinho.....Messi is crazyyyyy
He scored a beauty a minute ago !

...nice long pass by Heinze, quality definition by Messi, beautifully taken...this kid has NO ceiling

Hasan Rossonero
11-07-2007, 22:57
Today's Gazzetta:

Milan wait for the Ronaldinho-Eto'o situation to become clearer. I posted yesterday about the tax issue, and that was discussed again today. England and Italy are at a major disadvantage when it comes to the tax issue.

It also talked about how in the future the disparity between Spain and Italy will grow (considering 2010 is collective TV rights time). It also talks about how the fact that Spanish teams own their own stadiums and are ahead in merchandising puts them at a great advantage. Let's not forget they negotiate their own TV deals as well.

It's weird, just when I post about all that Gazzetta talks about it in detail.

Finally, Sheva will supposedly meet Abramovich on Saturday and ask to be released back to Milan.

e-Milan
11-07-2007, 22:58
Actually we shouldn't end it here.
You can write Juve is [censored] and put that as your avatar but on your avatar you have a real piece of [censored].
What kind of man will put a piece of [censored] in his avatar ?
I may be eating you know !

And that Ibrahima Ba is obviously a Thun player. He's 11 years younger than Ibrahim Ba !

gotta agree with Tony here mate... you wrote [censored] with stars yet you showed it in your Avatar uncensored. please change it, its not good for the eye and the brain...

GilAttack [11]
11-07-2007, 23:04
...nice long pass by Heinze, quality definition by Messi, beautifully taken...this kid has NO ceiling

But Messi:
a) Is a handball player
b) Is worse than Pato

So, all in all, we shouldnt really bother following that kid.

Bosniaco
11-07-2007, 23:16
gotta agree with Tony here mate... you wrote [censored] with stars yet you showed it in your Avatar uncensored. please change it, its not good for the eye and the brain...
I didnt write [censored] in stars, I wrote [censored] with no "dot" OK and thats how it comes out. Now.. you two mind your own bussines and I will put whatever I want there OK? You dont like it? You can PM me and we will discuss it, I hate to write things that are off topic.

Bosniaco
11-07-2007, 23:18
And that Ibrahima Ba is obviously a Thun player. He's 11 years younger than Ibrahim Ba !
I dont see his age here Tony, I only see the number which is 23, his jersey number...

Vadim
11-07-2007, 23:23
OK, that's enough with discussing [censored] :grinser:

Let's get back on topic.

eltomas2
11-07-2007, 23:31
']But Messi:
a) Is a handball player
b) Is worse than Pato

So, all in all, we shouldnt really bother following that kid.

...not worse than Pato...definitely not worse than Pato...in time, who knows but as of right now all the facts point to Messi being the best youngster on the planet...I guess Maradona was a handball player too but anyone who wouldn't want Diego cause of that, well you would have to question their judgment :5ok:

GilAttack [11]
12-07-2007, 00:18
...not worse than Pato...definitely not worse than Pato...in time, who knows but as of right now all the facts point to Messi being the best youngster on the planet...I guess Maradona was a handball player too but anyone who wouldn't want Diego cause of that, well you would have to question their judgment :5ok:

I know, I know...I was being sarcastic (?) :grinser:

Kaka--7thUCL
12-07-2007, 01:08
Lol I can't believe were going to give a starting role to a player called Ba not to be racist but lol. ANYWAYYYS. I hope that article that Laporta said that none would leave was an older one or just pure BS cus i want ronaldinho soo badly :'(:'(:'(

Kaka--7thUCL
12-07-2007, 01:11
Today's Gazzetta:

Milan wait for the Ronaldinho-Eto'o situation to become clearer. I posted yesterday about the tax issue, and that was discussed again today. England and Italy are at a major disadvantage when it comes to the tax issue.

It also talked about how in the future the disparity between Spain and Italy will grow (considering 2010 is collective TV rights time). It also talks about how the fact that Spanish teams own their own stadiums and are ahead in merchandising puts them at a great advantage. Let's not forget they negotiate their own TV deals as well.

It's weird, just when I post about all that Gazzetta talks about it in detail.

Finally, Sheva will supposedly meet Abramovich on Saturday and ask to be released back to Milan.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I WANT R10 NOT SHEVA BACKK I KNOW WHAT SHEVA CAN DOO HES OLDDD NEWS NOWW :mad: :mad: :mad:

Kaka--7thUCL
12-07-2007, 01:15
but that recent article what laporta said doesnt mean much milan will still sign r10 :)

hitmannq8
12-07-2007, 01:52
hasan n zlat u guys think we'll end up with more than one transfer?

GilAttack [11]
12-07-2007, 01:53
After all, Im willing to give Sheva a second chance in spite him leaving us some time ago. He will have to play extremly well and thats enough motivation. And he already knows the club, teammates, etc. Oh, he is still a pretty good player.

Stitch
12-07-2007, 02:15
www.ibrahim.ba :grinser:

Rojo y Negro
12-07-2007, 02:17
I have this urging feeling that Milan will sign R10 and that it will be wrapped up soon and he will be presented to the team on the 23rd July when the team resume preseason training.

There is alot odf speculation regarding the price tag of R10 but like many people have mentioned we will get back whatever we put in through
marketing. Thats I believe that Berlusconi might pay his buyout clause.

If for some reason we fail to get R10 then I believe shoudl bring back Sheva as a short term solution and buy young players and secure our future as a club.

Something tells me that we did not get Eto'o or Ribery for a reason. Something is going on and I feel a present is coming from Berlusconi it might not be R10 but it appears that way.

There are other players out there that would be good purchases. Nasri seems like a really good player. Pato seems to have caught our eye, Dani Alves would be good for the back line a real replacement for Cafu.

There are plently of other players out there but we either seal the R10 deal soon or start shopping.

prifess
12-07-2007, 03:13
well buying ronaldinhio isnt a bad thing.
Milan will earn mucht with him:

-CL right + winning it
-winning scudeto
-more season tickets sells
-adidas will sponsor more i think
-bwin i think will help milan buying em
-shirt sellings
-media
-tv spots

calculate this and u come break even :p

kastriot
12-07-2007, 03:24
well buying ronaldinhio isnt a bad thing.
Milan will earn mucht with him:

-CL right + winning it
-winning scudeto
-more season tickets sells
-adidas will sponsor more i think
-bwin i think will help milan buying em
-shirt sellings
-media
-tv spots

calculate this and u come break even :p

CL right??????????? explain pls!!!

Adidas will sponsor more!!!!!!!!! Why would they care... R10 has NIKE endorsement.

Plus don`t forget that R10 will have 100 % of his Image rights!! so that means that we get 0% cash from the commercials and adds he does...


The only benefit apart of his abilities MIlan will not get a thing...not sure for the Shirt Selling, but most probably he will get a cut there too...as we are using his name to sell(shirt selling was never our thing)

Kaka1899
12-07-2007, 03:45
hes got a point with the shirt selling if we buy him we will see a boom in sales, if i put it this way if u asked people who do they want on an england shirt for example they are more inclined to say beckham or rooney the same with brazil i bet you see tons of Kaka and Ronaldinho shirts because people wna be like em same with Henry and Zizou before he retired they sell shirts for because they are football icons as it were.

Giorgos
12-07-2007, 04:52
Dudek has signed with Real Madrid..

Gabriel489
12-07-2007, 04:55
Well, even if Dinho has all his image rights, Milan can earn more just by having their name be more well known world wide in respect to Marketing. Selling shirts is one thing but other merchandises as well.

The thing is that even if Milan does not get any cuts on Dinho's commericals.... but at least more people might notice more about Milan. Once that happens other players in Milan might get the benefits of getting marketing deals, thus leading to MIlan earning more money on other players image rights.

I for one believe that if it was not for Dinho, Eto will never ever rank second behind Dinho and ahead of Beckham in commercial incomes last year.

The point is that maybe Milan won't earn a cent on Dinho's image, but due to Dinho, other players in Milan will end up getting endorsement deals thus Milan earning money.

Stitch
12-07-2007, 05:02
easy guys, we still haven't signed him.

Maltese Charlie
12-07-2007, 05:24
Il Milan blocca Thiago Motta

08:44 del 12 luglio

Thiago Motta si libera a parametro zero tra un anno, ma il centrocampista brasiliano del Barcellona potrebbe andare subito al Milan per 7 milioni di euro.
(Corriere dello Sport)

Milan blocked Thiago Motta

Within 1 year Motta will be free, but he may come now to milan for 7 mln euro.



As regards Ronaldinho and marketing etc... etc. and if the transfer is worth it or not, I ask a simple question.
Is it possible that a daughther teach her mother of 10 children how to change a baby's nappy? :grinser: :grinser: ...................

Rando
12-07-2007, 05:28
please milan dont sign ronaldinho because he is too expensive.
i hope milan sign giuseppe rossi instead!

Tony75
12-07-2007, 06:00
We need to sign players like R10 to push the image and merchandise even more, not to forget he's a fantastic player. No reason why we can't sign 2 forwards - him & Rossi, Pato in Jan, and a def, and mid too, which are also required.

Hasan Rossonero
12-07-2007, 06:14
hasan n zlat u guys think we'll end up with more than one transfer?

I think we may end up with 2 players: a big name and a very promising youngster in defence.

I think there is a misconception here about merchandising. When a player owns his image rights, it doesn't mean he pockets the money from shirt sales. It just means the ads that he does etc. go in his pocket.

Sleep
12-07-2007, 06:18
Roma: Chivu will stay
Thursday 12 July, 2007
Cristian Chivu will remain at Roma this summer after showdown talks between the two parties failed to secure the stopper his dream move to Inter.

Giallorossi sporting director Daniele Pradè and the player’s agents met last night in the Italian capital, but Chivu’s transfer saga rumbles on.

The Romanian is keen on joining the Italian champions and his representatives met with the Olimpico outfit to discuss the Nerazzurri’s offer.

However, no agreement could be reached and the international is set to join up with the rest of the squad this weekend for the start of their pre-season.

“Cristian Chivu will remain at Roma,” said Pradè. “He will be present at Trigoria on Sunday evening and stay with us until the end of the season. He will then leave on a free.

“There is a complete breakdown between us and the Becali brothers [his agents]. Roma have lost £13m in this affair and the gate receipts of a friendly. This was Real’s offer.”

Roma are unwilling to sell the defender to the Milanese giants as they consider their offer of around £7m too low – even though they could potentially lose him on a free transfer next summer when his contract runs out.

The Giallorossi have become increasingly infuriated with the player and his representatives, especially after they agreed to a £13m sale with Real Madrid only last week.

A Spanish move is now out of the question though as Chivu rejected personal terms with Real who have since signed Porto defender Pepe.

The Liga champions are understood to have offered Chivu a £3.7m a year contract before tax, a proposal which is allegedly way below what he would receive at the San Siro.

Chivu is now being tipped to stay with the Coppa Italia winners until next summer, although the transfer market window remains open until August 31.


I little too far from now. But if this true, let's sign Chivu next summer. I think we can still use our defender 1 more year <and only 1 more year:D>. And we can get Chivu + an other defender next summer.

And anyone knows about sneijder? Last news said he would become Viola very soon, but the "very soon" has lasted quite long, so I wonder wether he will go or not, and I can't understand completely why we don't make any move for Sneijder this year since we have been after him for at least 2 season <very serious, we even sacrified Stam, a EXP defender and younger than Maldini:D>

Ghost
12-07-2007, 06:55
After wathcing Messis goal against Mexico - Only if we had a player like him at Milan, honestly hes unbelievable.

kris
12-07-2007, 08:04
Dudek has signed with Real Madrid..

Nothing can stop them now.

eltomas2
12-07-2007, 08:06
']I know, I know...I was being sarcastic (?) :grinser:

hehe, kind of hard to detect sarcasm without a tone of voice, hehe

sveto
12-07-2007, 09:02
even in spain announced their schedule today
what are they waiting in italy?????????????
c'mon

prifess
12-07-2007, 09:04
honestly i hope
-bazagli
-pato
-ronaldinhio

will join milan this season

but they shouldn't indeed spend 125mil€ on dinhio.
they could reduce it to 80mil€. barca needs the money and 80mil€ is alot

conti
12-07-2007, 09:41
]Nothing can stop them now[/B].

:dielaugh:

kris
12-07-2007, 10:05
I haven't posted much here in a while, partly due to myself managing to lose a long long post. Anyway, I will give some views now.

For many years have I not felt as undertain about our plans compared to how I felt now, with the exception being last years ****ed up transfer season. This is not a critzism on the Milan managment, I don't expect them to show thigns clearly to me. One thing I am absolutely clear on, we will get one offensive player.

Pato, he sure can come out great and my humble prediction is that he will be ours. but I would also say that he will not be ours in this market, I would say january, next summer or even the one after. It maybe that we will work this one like the Kaka deal and let him mature in the best enviroment, back in Brazil. will the other vultures let us do this? who knows, but I feel this is how it will end.

Ronaldinho. I don't know, it clearly feels like Barcelone have no intent to sell him and that he doesn't want to leave. but there are some many things whispering that he will come, most notably the intent of Berlusconi. Like Perez for Real Madrid, Berlusconi is a guy that makes things happen, he gets his guy.

Gallas. He said words hinting on him leaving Arsenal, in fact even on his own website, doesn't get clearer than that. there is nothing linking us, but if you ask me then he is a dream transfer.

Moralez. I little "pet love" of mine. I seen him in the U-20 world cup and I think he would be a great option/backup for Kaka. He have a great movement on the pitch, great ballcontrol, good crosses, passes and shots. While it seems he could improve on his dribbles and decision making I see a pearl in making. A pity he is Argentinian, we seem to ignore them.

I think we are pretty set in defense, although I would mind us getting hold of someone like Canini, whom I really rated before his injury. Clearly some youth wouldn't be bad there. As said, Gallas would be neat as he would really improve our defense. Him with Nesta is yummy. Fullbacks we are set, even if I think that we could have benefitted from a young backup in either position, havig three oldies as backup is solid and dependable, but replacing all there is going to be painful. Sure Zambrotta would be welcome.

Maybe more to come after work...

Tony29.
12-07-2007, 10:05
Off topic :
Giorgos, i have no idea why we have 100 messages limit but it's not that you can't send or recieve messages anymore. You can delete some of the messages in your inbox or outbox because you're now not recieving my PM !
:)

kris
12-07-2007, 10:16
honestly i hope
-bazagli


I would without a doubt take last years Bonera over Barzagli. With also Kaladze, Maldini and Nesta before him I can't come up with a reason we would get a new 5th choice central defender instead of Simic...

Warro Bantan
12-07-2007, 10:23
Good post Kris, and I agree in the most part on your thoughts, though not with the Gallas issue.

He doesnt seem to have the mind-set that we look for when buying players for Milan...he looks to be a trouble maker, and a whiner to boot.

He cried, bawled, threw his rattle out of the pram to leave Chelski, then seems set for a repeat of these antics at Arsenal...I guess Billy and Paolo would give him a good beating in the locker room if he tried that at Milan, but why bother, when its easier just not to bring him here in the first place...not to mention, who would he start over?

Nesta? Nope
Kaladze? Nope

Maybe he could get a game on the flank, but isnt that why he wanted to leave Chelski in the first place?

Ghost
12-07-2007, 10:46
Seems like the stone age since I last saw the words of Milan on Channel 4 news

prifess
12-07-2007, 10:52
I would without a doubt take last years Bonera over Barzagli. With also Kaladze, Maldini and Nesta before him I can't come up with a reason we would get a new 5th choice central defender instead of Simic...

bet kala and nesta are 30 or 30+
barzagli would be a good addition of +- youth and quality

zlatanov
12-07-2007, 10:55
hasan n zlat u guys think we'll end up with more than one transfer?
I think we'll get at least one attacking player, two if Cassano is part of the plan, and at least one defender (Heinze but have a feeling for a Chivu blitz ... will be someone who can play LB, I believe) and midfielder (Motta, Emerson).

Seems like the stone age since I last saw the words of Milan on Channel 4 news
that's one short anticipation:
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jul11f.html

:D

kris
12-07-2007, 11:25
bet kala and nesta are 30 or 30+
barzagli would be a good addition of +- youth and quality

Kaladze and Nesta can easily play for 4 more years. barzagli isn't that much quality, we already have Bonera who is the same age group than him and IMO better than him. Now, why should be throw away €10M+ on someone that won't improve us, we have someone better as reserve as and which will costs us quite a bit?

If we are to get a central defender then we should aim for a young player who can be a understudy or a world class one that will improve us right now. Barzaglia fits neither criteria.

kris
12-07-2007, 11:28
Good post Kris, and I agree in the most part on your thoughts, though not with the Gallas issue.

He doesnt seem to have the mind-set that we look for when buying players for Milan...he looks to be a trouble maker, and a whiner to boot.

He cried, bawled, threw his rattle out of the pram to leave Chelski, then seems set for a repeat of these antics at Arsenal...I guess Billy and Paolo would give him a good beating in the locker room if he tried that at Milan, but why bother, when its easier just not to bring him here in the first place...not to mention, who would he start over?

Nesta? Nope
Kaladze? Nope

Maybe he could get a game on the flank, but isnt that why he wanted to leave Chelski in the first place?

I find him a clear improvment on Kaladze, faster and a better defender. It is on the other hand possible that he is a trouble maker, but I would like to see it in his eyes. He moved clubs because of two things, he wanted to play in central defense and because he wanted to win UCL (or just trouphies). after he moved to Arsenal they sold their best player and that after a bad season. Suddenly he finds himself in a club that are not poised to win anything, I can understand if he would want to move in that situation, especially taking his age into consideration.

Ghost
12-07-2007, 11:28
that's one short anticipation:
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jul11f.html

:D

lol maybe im just checking that website too regularly.

mrki
12-07-2007, 11:39
As Kris said, I laso feel we can go for Gallas. He is a top class player that can cover both fnalks if needed, and can also be used as a partner for Nesta. I know we are not linked with him but this is just a thought by me. But I think Milan relies on Bonera to develop into a great player, and that is possible. In any case, we can expect better football from Bonera, Oddo and Marek( who had his first full season as a LB in his life! ). Bonera and Oddo werent 100% acostumed to Milan, and next season I expect more from both of them. My worry is Cafu who I think will not be able to play in strong matches if Oddo gets injured. Also, my suggestion for back like is this:
Kaladze-Bonera/Maldini-Nesta-Oddo...

This backline has more stability and can give more attacking space for Oddo. Aldough I would mean no Ambrosini in front of Kaladze, but more ofesnive player ( Gourcuff, Seedorf, Ronaldinho :) ).

To me it seems like Milan is right now controling few market players ( Pato, Cassano, Rossi, Motta...) and is waiting to see how things will be solved with Ronaldinho.

There are some news that say we have captured Motta, and could bring him now for 7 mln or next year for free. He has italian passport and is solid player that wouldnt bother Gourcuff as he would take Brocchi's place.

zlatanov
12-07-2007, 12:30
it's official now - Babel to Liverpool for around 17 mil euros.
there goes another super player and Milan is still only watching and doing nothing :mad:

:D

Graeme C
12-07-2007, 12:38
it's official now - Babel to Liverpool for around 17 mil euros.
there goes another super player and Milan is still only watching and doing nothing :mad:

:D


yep its really anoying me atm, i dont want us to waste the whole summer season after ronaldinho, and galliani + co turning round and saying "oh we wanted Ronaldinho but couldnt get him". And i dont want a repeat of the season where we only got Redondo.

If we are to stay competitive they have to make moves soon..

Hasan Rossonero
12-07-2007, 12:41
yep its really anoying me atm, i dont want us to waste the whole summer season after ronaldinho, and galliani + co turning round and saying "oh we wanted Ronaldinho but couldnt get him". And i dont want a repeat of the season where we only got Redondo.

If we are to stay competitive they have to make moves soon..
Zlat was being sarcastic. He was imitating some members on the board that seemingly greet every move with this emoticon--> :mad:

Sidesplitting I'll tell ya!

mrki
12-07-2007, 12:42
I think that the team is gathering at Milanello on 23.07. It would be good to have the players we want ( if we want someone ) untill then so they can prepare well.

I do understand that it needs a lot of effort and time to buy a player like Ronaldinho, but do we want anyone else?

Hasan Rossonero
12-07-2007, 12:42
I think we'll get at least one attacking player, two if Cassano is part of the plan, and at least one defender (Heinze but have a feeling for a Chivu blitz ... will be someone who can play LB, I believe) and midfielder (Motta, Emerson).



:D


Do you think this will happen before July 23, or closer to August 31? I think we'll get one player before we go into training.

Kaka--7thUCL
12-07-2007, 13:01
We need to sign players like R10 to push the image and merchandise even more, not to forget he's a fantastic player. No reason why we can't sign 2 forwards - him & Rossi, Pato in Jan, and a def, and mid too, which are also required.

I agree with everything you just said. Great post m8, I agree, milan has the money to still buy a striker, if they buy r10 they dont have the striker they were looking for so then they will go for a striker and possibly more mids/defs :P

Tony29.
12-07-2007, 13:02
Anyone else has the feeling Milan will sign someone today ?
After " Milan blocked Motta" article from 11 hours ago, and after 80 articles about other teams and players there are no more rumours about Milan on calciomercato !
I can't remember the last time this happened !
Something's cooking :)

Kaka--7thUCL
12-07-2007, 13:03
honestly i hope
-bazagli
-pato
-ronaldinhio

will join milan this season

but they shouldn't indeed spend 125mil€ on dinhio.
they could reduce it to 80mil€. barca needs the money and 80mil€ is alot

Another great post, I agree with the people you want at Milan, I'd throw in a GK though I'm still un secure with Dida.. But we'll c what happens.. If worst comes to worst well use storari :P unless we sold him? but guys i've read laporta is saying he's not for sale..

Kaka--7thUCL
12-07-2007, 13:07
Anything new on R10? What LaPorta is saying is merely defending ronaldinhos position it's quite meaningless if you ask me.. And it's going to be a thing of the passed when he comes to Milan XD

GilAttack [11]
12-07-2007, 13:08
Motta suc*s, hopefully that report isnt true. I dont want him even for free.

Kaka--7thUCL
12-07-2007, 13:11
And the same was said about Shevchenko, but what color shirt is he wearing now.. Blue is it not? ..So hopefully the same goes for R10 because I really really want him at Milan now I've been putting together line-ups non stop :P my top 2 players playing at Milan would be great too. I really think Kaka' And R10 will play great together.. With Kaka's speed and R10's chips and then Kaka's perfect pass up to ronaldo :D I can see it now. I hope that we can get Rossi too though and Pato, and Barzagli :D our team would be great and age wouldnt be an issue for a good 4 years.

Kaka--7thUCL
12-07-2007, 13:12
']Motta suc*s, hopefully that report isnt true. I dont want him even for free.

I know he is bad.I don't want him either.. Can someone post the article about Motta? :S

Blacktop
12-07-2007, 13:15
If worst comes to worst well use storari :P unless we sold him? but guys i've read laporta is saying he's not for sale..
Chances are he'll be loaned to Betis for next season. Why they're suddenly our favorite team to do business with, I have no idea.

And once again, please put spaces between your favorite players. Your posts should line up with the page. Thank you.

ACMILAN1983
12-07-2007, 13:21
Bosniaco, the mods have discussed your avatar and it's quite clearly not appreciated. As more than one member has complained about it too, you will change it. Should you not do so, one of the mods or admins will change it for you.

Kaka--7thUCL, please do as BMW has asked, it really isn't a lot to ask to put spaces in between your favourite players and would make things easier to read.

zlatanov
12-07-2007, 13:48
Do you think this will happen before July 23, or closer to August 31? I think we'll get one player before we go into training.
I agree with Marko that it would be best if the new players join the group with everyone else (23rd of July ?) as they would need time to et used to their new teammates and the whole environment at Milan and Milanello - the faster they feel at home, the faster they would start showing their full potential.

So, I expect, or rather hope, that by the end of July we'll have that new mid and defender I think we will go for.

as for the forward, if we are gonna be going for Cassano - end of July/beginning of August - if not I think we'll take our time till say mid-August for a big-name aquisition like Dinho or Etoo or Sheva beacuse by then it should be more than clear if a move like that would be possible or not ... if not, then I guess we'd go for an easier target like Pato, Quagliarella, etc.

regarding Pato, I guess with brazil dumped out of the U-20 WC and all the other teams sniffing around him, Milan will be contrained to make their move - if we are gonna be making one at all - very, very soon and we'll know the results by the end of July (actually I think it would be withing a week from now).
If we do get him, I guess he would be in a stand-by position as Milan would wait to see how the Dinho, Etoo, SHeva afairs turn out - if any of those have a positive outcome, Pato will stay in Brazil, if not he might be brought in for the new season as the new non-EU player and followed by his family in order to get around that Pele-Law.

Tony29.
12-07-2007, 13:55
I know he is bad.I don't want him either.. Can someone post the article about Motta? :S
He's not bad. Milan isn't looking at Motta as someone who'll take over Pirlo's place but he's certanly a good player to replace Pirlo or Gattuso when Milan will play against Siena, Catania and the likes.
If he was bad he wouldn't have had this role in Barcelona for 6 years. In Barcelona he was doing exactly that lately.....when the stars needed a rest, he replaced them.

Just type his name in Google (Thiago Motta) and you'll find everything you need to know about him.
In short :
Brazilian, capped 8 times and scored 1 goal for Brazil. Played 95 La Liga matches and scored 6 goals. In CL he played 33 matches and scored 2 goals. He played 10 more matches for Barcelona ( in uefa cup, uefa super cup, coppa del rey, intercontinental cup) and scored 1 goal.
Total : 138 matches played and 9 goals scored for Barcelona in 6 years.
Plays as a defensive midfielder, has an EU passport (Italian) , his best friend in Barcelona is Ronaldinho (;) ) , he's very strong physically but is injury prone.

From wiki : "Motta is a favorite with Barça fans who admire his ability to fight for the team in ways that other holding midfielders have been unable to do. However, injuries have prevented a good run for him in the blaugrana starting line-up."

rosoneri_11
12-07-2007, 14:00
Off topic: Liverpool signed Ryan Babel from Ajax FC.
Wow how many players they gonna sign?

Tony29.
12-07-2007, 14:03
Off topic: Liverpool signed Ryan Babel from Ajax FC.
Wow how many players they gonna sign?
Brazillion :grinser:

Yeah, i agree Babel was a luxury. They really didn't need another expensive attacker. But i don't know the Dutchman very well. Maybe he's really smthg special

GilAttack [11]
12-07-2007, 14:04
He's not bad. Milan isn't looking at Motta as someone who'll take over Pirlo's place but he's certanly a good player to replace Pirlo or Gattuso when Milan will play against Siena, Catania and the likes.
If he was bad he wouldn't have had this role in Barcelona for 6 years. In Barcelona he was doing exactly that lately.....when the stars needed a rest, he replaced them.

Just type his name in Google (Thiago Motta) and you'll find everything you need to know about him.
In short :
Brazilian, capped 8 times and scored 1 goal for Brazil. Played 95 La Liga matches and scored 6 goals. In CL he played 33 matches and scored 2 goals. He played 10 more matches for Barcelona ( in uefa cup, uefa super cup, coppa del rey, intercontinental cup) and scored 1 goal.
Total : 138 matches played and 9 goals scored for Barcelona in 6 years.
Plays as a defensive midfielder, has an EU passport (Italian) , his best friend in Barcelona is Ronaldinho (;) ) , he's very strong physically but is injury prone.

From wiki : "Motta is a favorite with Barça fans who admire his ability to fight for the team in ways that other holding midfielders have been unable to do. However, injuries have prevented a good run for him in the blaugrana starting line-up."

Sorry, I post frequently in a Barcelona message board and they all want him gone. He is no fan favorite.

rosoneri_11
12-07-2007, 14:14
Brazillion :grinser:

Yeah, i agree Babel was a luxury. They really didn't need another expensive attacker. But i don't know the Dutchman very well. Maybe he's really smthg special


I've seen that guy playing Tony and yes he is he's really special! He is very fast,he has great technique and drible, he is 1.85(tall guy),he is only 20 years old! , he can play many roles, as a striker or as a midfielder (something like van persie).He is a great talent.




Well i got used by saying that for many players. Bye bye Babel :kap:

Tony29.
12-07-2007, 14:15
Motta is an Ambrosini !
In my time here on MM i witnessed few posters wanting Ambro out because he's always injured. You saw how Ambro replied to them in CL.

Motta is at least as good as Ambrosini. He had an awful injury and he needed time to come back ready.
He's 25 . Yes, a risk with his injury record, but he really is a quality player and can be bought for peanuts. Those Barcelona fans who want him out are the same as the Milan fans who wanted Ambro out. If Motta has good 2 months in Barcelona then they'll all hail his name !

Hasan Rossonero
12-07-2007, 14:25
I've seen that guy playing Tony and yes he is he's really special! He is very fast,he has great technique and drible, he is 1.85(tall guy),he is only 20 years old! , he can play many roles, as a striker or as a midfielder (something like van persie).He is a great talent.




Well i got used by saying that for many players. Bye bye Babel :kap:

We weren't really linked to Babel, and we don't need him either. Come on man, this isn't a video game. Liverpool have to rebuild their squad somewhat. We have to buy sensibly to reinforce some parts of it.

Big difference there.

GilAttack [11]
12-07-2007, 14:29
Motta is an Ambrosini !
In my time here on MM i witnessed few posters wanting Ambro out because he's always injured. You saw how Ambro replied to them in CL.

Motta is at least as good as Ambrosini. He had an awful injury and he needed time to come back ready.
He's 25 . Yes, a risk with his injury record, but he really is a quality player and can be bought for peanuts. Those Barcelona fans who want him out are the same as the Milan fans who wanted Ambro out. If Motta has good 2 months in Barcelona then they'll all hail his name !

Go ahead and sign him for Juve.

:5ok:

Ghost
12-07-2007, 14:30
Off topic: Liverpool signed Ryan Babel from Ajax FC.
Wow how many players they gonna sign?

To be honest Babel is a good player but not world class, if you look at the recent Euro championship he was no where to be seen in some games as most attention was on Drenthe. Also I personally think Liverpool have just got another player who they paid way too much for - IMHO Babel was not worth more than 7 million rather than the silly amount they paid. In other words I think Babel is another Pennant in the making - cant wait lol.

Anything new on R10? What LaPorta is saying is merely defending ronaldinhos position it's quite meaningless if you ask me.. And it's going to be a thing of the passed when he comes to Milan XD

Laporta can say whatever he wants and feels like - but the moment R10 comes out and says he wants to leave, there is not a thing in the world Barca can do to hold on to him apart from make him sit on the bench till his contract expires.

Tony29.
12-07-2007, 14:30
']Go ahead and sign him for Juve.

:5ok:
I wouldn't think a secund if it was up to me ! He'd be much more usefull than Blasi and he'll come cheaper than Blasi !

Hasan Rossonero
12-07-2007, 14:39
Laporta can say whatever he wants and feels like - but the moment R10 comes out and says he wants to leave, there is not a thing in the world Barca can do to hold on to him apart from make him sit on the bench till his contract expires.

True, but that goes for Kaka too. So, we have to politely hope that an amicable solution can be reached if Barca are to sell Dinho.

zlatanov
12-07-2007, 15:03
http://www.tgcom.mediaset.it/controcampo/articoli/articolo370490.shtml

according to tgcom, Veloz, Pato's agent (apparantly also Emerson's and Mancini's) is in Italy and has an appointment with Galliani and Braida for talks about Pato.
Milan is reportedly very, very keen on the kid and are studying the legal possibilities of bringing him in Italy before he becomes 18 yo on Sept 2nd (mercato closes on August 31st).

Ghost
12-07-2007, 15:06
True, but that goes for Kaka too. So, we have to politely hope that an amicable solution can be reached if Barca are to sell Dinho.

Barca need the money - we dont.

Hasan Rossonero
12-07-2007, 15:10
Barca need the money - we dont.

Ah, I see what you mean.

zlatanov
12-07-2007, 15:12
Barca need the money - we dont.
I don't think it is about Barca needing money but more like Barca being forced to improve contracts for both Etoo and Dinho and both of those contracts, if renewed, would be subject to 50% tax, which Barca would have to pay the state ... they could afford one such extension but I doubt they would do it for both etoo and Dinho.

Also, there is the Messi factor - Milan cannot afford to lose Kaka as we have no one to take over his place, while Barca, apart from Dinho, have Messi, Etoo, and have now added Henry to the star sellection at Camp Nou ... now, keeping both Etoo and Dinho is no longer a must for them but more of a luxury and with the contract renewals approaching, it will become a liability too.

Tony29.
12-07-2007, 15:12
http://www.tgcom.mediaset.it/controcampo/articoli/articolo370490.shtml

according to tgcom, Veloz, Pato's agent (apparantly also Emerson's and Mancini's) is in Italy and has an appointment with Galliani and Braida for talks about Pato.
Milan is reportedly very, very keen on the kid and are studying the legal possibilities of bringing him in Italy before he becomes 18 yo on Sept 2nd (mercato closes on August 31st).
Man .... 31 August - 2 September !
They are making a drama for 2 days difference. They should let the kid leave Brasil this summer.

Cane1972
12-07-2007, 15:25
True, but that goes for Kaka too. So, we have to politely hope that an amicable solution can be reached if Barca are to sell Dinho.

You are both wrong in that Ronaldinho has a buyout clause. If we are willing to pay this then he can leave and their is nothing Barca can do about it. That is the whole reason for a buyout clause.

Hasan Rossonero
12-07-2007, 15:30
You are both wrong in that Ronaldinho has a buyout clause. If we are willing to pay this then he can leave and their is nothing Barca can do about it. That is the whole reason for a buyout clause.
I know full well Dinho has a buyout clause.

I was talking more about the fact when a "player says he wants to leave" bit...

Also, reports suggest that we will not pay the exorbitant 125 million euros buyout clause...

Giorgos
12-07-2007, 15:41
Man .... 31 August - 2 September !
They are making a drama for 2 days difference. They should let the kid leave Brasil this summer.

Willing or not they will do it. If a player wants to go to another team you cannot hold him. He may be in Brazil but his mind will tranfer at Milano.

I believe that we will finally be the club which will buy Pato because of Leonardo and the fact that we have so many Brazilians.

I want to tell who are the non-eu players we have and how many places we have free, one? :5ok:

Rayno_acm
12-07-2007, 15:50
...I want to tell who are the non-eu players we have and how many places we have free, one? :5ok:
That's right, only one place :5ok:
It doesn't matter how much non-EU players we have, we can get only one new (I mean out from Italy) per season :bri:

Giorgos
12-07-2007, 15:54
And who are the non-eu players in our team since now?

Hasan Rossonero
12-07-2007, 16:14
Roma have loaned Stefano Okaka Chuka to Modena. :mad:

Bye Bye Okaka. :kap:














:ilol:

Kaka--7thUCL
12-07-2007, 16:16
He's not bad. Milan isn't looking at Motta as someone who'll take over Pirlo's place but he's certanly a good player to replace Pirlo or Gattuso when Milan will play against Siena, Catania and the likes.
If he was bad he wouldn't have had this role in Barcelona for 6 years. In Barcelona he was doing exactly that lately.....when the stars needed a rest, he replaced them.

Just type his name in Google (Thiago Motta) and you'll find everything you need to know about him.
In short :
Brazilian, capped 8 times and scored 1 goal for Brazil. Played 95 La Liga matches and scored 6 goals. In CL he played 33 matches and scored 2 goals. He played 10 more matches for Barcelona ( in uefa cup, uefa super cup, coppa del rey, intercontinental cup) and scored 1 goal.
Total : 138 matches played and 9 goals scored for Barcelona in 6 years.
Plays as a defensive midfielder, has an EU passport (Italian) , his best friend in Barcelona is Ronaldinho (;) ) , he's very strong physically but is injury prone.

From wiki : "Motta is a favorite with Barça fans who admire his ability to fight for the team in ways that other holding midfielders have been unable to do. However, injuries have prevented a good run for him in the blaugrana starting line-up."


To replace pirlo? I wouldnt want this guy to replace pirlo dead, if we have to get a replacement for pirlo get a GREAT one just like him when the time comes to have to replace him.. I agree though to keep him sub for small games.

Kaka--7thUCL
12-07-2007, 16:18
Barca need the money - we dont.

True.. :) By the looks of it we're going to actually sign more then one player as I hoped.. :) Already Pato and R10 are very close to being signed..

Giorgos
12-07-2007, 16:21
To replace pirlo? I wouldnt want this guy to replace pirlo dead, if we have to get a replacement for pirlo get a GREAT one just like him when the time comes to have to replace him.. I agree though if you meant as like a sub.

If Kaka will be too good, he will have a problem to stay at bench so i believe Motta will be a very good solution.... :5ok:

Hasan Rossonero
12-07-2007, 16:30
True.. :) By the looks of it we're going to actually sign more then one player as I hoped.. :) Already Pato and R10 are very close to being signed..

Except that we can only sign one of them due to the non-EU rules...

Stitch
12-07-2007, 16:32
Willing or not they will do it. If a player wants to go to another team you cannot hold him. He may be in Brazil but his mind will tranfer at Milano.

:

He may be with his mind on moon as far as his club is concerned... it's not about Internazional's willingness to let him go, it's about FIFA's (or is it Brazillian FA's?? ) rule that doesn't allow under 18 players to move to Europe.

Tony29.
12-07-2007, 16:33
To replace pirlo? I wouldnt want this guy to replace pirlo dead, if we have to get a replacement for pirlo get a GREAT one just like him when the time comes to have to replace him.. I agree though to keep him sub for small games.
You know a GREAT one just like him who is willing to wait 4 or 5 years to stay on the bench so he could replace Pirlo when he'll retire ?

You don't put a star on the bench to stay there and wait for the other star to get tired or injured so he can come in on his place.
You need players like Motta in this case. Pirlo is not a veteran. He has many years ahead of him. During these years all Milan needs is a good player to come handy when there will be problems with Pirlo.

I'm losing my time for nothing it seems. You guys don't like Motta obviously.
But let me tell you smthg....you'll get Motta ;)

P.S : And he'll do just fine in Milan....maybe he'' even do great if he has no problems with injuries

Warro Bantan
12-07-2007, 16:44
Re Motta:

Any player that has more than 3 caps for the Brazilian national team cannot be written off as "useless" and not worthy of a Milan shirt.

Motta will be purchased as a utility midfielder, and nothing more...he is practially trading one bench for another, though with the hope he will play more often, and win trophies...

Kaka--7thUCL
12-07-2007, 16:48
I guess so. I'd be willing to give Motta a chance but another concern. If we get Pato we can't get R10 cus of non-eu rules?

Warro Bantan
12-07-2007, 16:52
:nervous: Except that we can only sign one of them due to the non-EU rules...
And this for me, is why there is this unseeming delay in finalising our purchases this silly season.

We have to be very careful with whom we purchase, and since Sheva is non-EU, as is Ronaldinho (?) and Pato...its not so easy and straight forward now is it? :nervous:

Stupid Italian FA rules!! :d55:

Hasan Rossonero
12-07-2007, 16:53
I guess so. I'd be willing to give Motta a chance but another concern. If we get Pato we can't get R10 cus of non-eu rules?

That's what I think. Even some Barca fans aren't sure of Dinho's citizenship. I am trying to confirm, but I think he is still a non-EU player.

ThrusT
12-07-2007, 16:54
:nervous:
And this for me, is why there is this unseeming delay in finalising our purchases this silly season.

We have to be very careful with whom we purchase, and since Sheva is non-EU, as is Ronaldinho (?) and Pato...its not so easy and straight forward now is it? :nervous:

Stupid Italian FA rules!! :d55:
Does Ronaldinho now have Spanish citizenship or not?If so, does that make him a EU player?(sorry if this is already posted)


We could always get Pato in January and buy a EU striker such as Rossi?

Stezagud
12-07-2007, 16:57
Any player that has more than 3 caps for the Brazilian national team cannot be written off as "useless" and not worthy of a Milan shirt.

Kleberson got 27 :D

Even Ricardinho who couldnt even get a game at Boro has 21 caps! Being a Brazilian international doesnt necesarily make anybody worthy, Brazil send B and C teams to around the world and all sorts have managed to pick up a few caps as part of the travelling circus...

Tony29.
12-07-2007, 16:58
Spanish citizenship would make him an EU player but that's the problem exactly....we have no idea if he has the Spanish citizenship or he still didn't get it

mrki
12-07-2007, 16:59
On Motta topic: Before his injuri Motta was a great player that was invited and played 8 matches for Brazil national team that had players like emerson, Edmilson, Ronaldinho, Kaka' and more in their full strenght. Motta is hard tackling man with some technique, can pass well and can head well, also has a good shot. His injury send him back to bench in Barca and now when people in Barca dont see him as a big star that can lift their teams raiting we could use that to bring this player to us. He will not be a non EU player as he had also an italian passport. For sure he could be the replacement for Pirlo we were looking for for a few seasons now as Brocchi simply isnt good enough as much he fights with his full heart. Motta>>>Brochi !

If we can buy him at relatively ok price, I would go hir him. Gourcuff is more of an attacking midfielder, nad a creator, I doubt Motta can hold his development back...

Hasan Rossonero
12-07-2007, 17:00
Gazzetta said he is not a Spanish citizen and hence not an EU citizen.

Warro Bantan
12-07-2007, 17:03
Kleberson got 27 :D

Even Ricardinho who couldnt even get a game at Boro has 21 caps! Being a Brazilian international doesnt necesarily make anybody worthy, Brazil send B and C teams to around the world and all sorts have managed to pick up a few caps as part of the travelling circus... I quite agree, but one has to admit, that if you do make the Brazilian NT, you have to be somewhat talented...maybe not always at the highest level, or as a starter therein, but certainly, you can kick a ball better than say...most English NT players? :str:

Plus, not getting a game for Middlesbore isnt saying anything, especially when Second Choice Steve was their coach...and we all know what shrewd eye for talent he has!! :rollani:

Further, being able to start for an EPL team (or not)is no clear valuation of a players worth...how many times did Mascherano play for West Ham? Yet, who closed down Kaka for large periods of the UCL final...?

Hey Stez...its a slow office day...so ignore me...I :grinser: just decided to take exception to ur post for no other reason than that I have very little on my desk to do right now :D :uhm:

Tony29.
12-07-2007, 17:09
On Motta topic: Before his injuri Motta was a great player that was invited and played 8 matches for Brazil national team that had players like emerson, Edmilson, Ronaldinho, Kaka' and more in their full strenght. Motta is hard tackling man with some technique, can pass well and can head well, also has a good shot. His injury send him back to bench in Barca and now when people in Barca dont see him as a big star that can lift their teams raiting we could use that to bring this player to us. He will not be a non EU player as he had also an italian passport. For sure he could be the replacement for Pirlo we were looking for for a few seasons now as Brocchi simply isnt good enough as much he fights with his full heart. Motta>>>Brochi !

If we can buy him at relatively ok price, I would go hir him. Gourcuff is more of an attacking midfielder, nad a creator, I doubt Motta can hold his development back...
It's incredibille how the posts i disagree with the most and the posts i agree with the most are always written by Mrki
:devf:

Warro Bantan
12-07-2007, 17:11
It's incredibille how the posts i disagree with the most and the posts i agree with the most are always written by Mrki
:devf:Twins separated at birth? :grinser: :diablo:

zlatanov
12-07-2007, 17:20
Roma have loaned Stefano Okaka Chuka to Modena. :mad:

Bye Bye Okaka. :kap:


:ilol:
I am not sure even a sharp knife would go thru something so thick and dense :grinser:

Stezagud
12-07-2007, 17:23
I quite agree, but one has to admit, that if you do make the Brazilian NT, you have to be somewhat talented...maybe not always at the highest level, or as a starter therein, but certainly, you can kick a ball better than say...most English NT players?

Actually most English players are experts at kicking a ball, its controlling it that lets us down :D

Plus, not getting a game for Middlesbore isnt saying anything, especially when Second Choice Steve was their coach...and we all know what shrewd eye for talent he has!!

You say that like you think spending £9m on Maccaroni was a bad move!? :eek:

Hey Stez...its a slow office day...so ignore me...I just decided to take exception to ur post for no other reason than that I have very little on my desk to do right now

:cool: look on the bright side, when you leave work you'll get to see the sun, it may seem like small reward but if you lived in Britain you'd cherish every minute of it :D

Warro Bantan
12-07-2007, 17:26
Ah ha Stez!! Thats why I live in sunny JA!! :D :D :D

Dont u just wish u could?

cheers mate!! Gone home for the day...back with u lot tomorrow!!

Mystik
12-07-2007, 17:37
LOL the sun is overrated...over here we die for shade.

Stitch
12-07-2007, 17:44
LOL the sun is overrated...over here we die for shade.

No, Rossi is overrated, sun is good :D

Tony29.
12-07-2007, 18:32
Moralez. I little "pet love" of mine. I seen him in the U-20 world cup and I think he would be a great option/backup for Kaka. He have a great movement on the pitch, great ballcontrol, good crosses, passes and shots. While it seems he could improve on his dribbles and decision making I see a pearl in making. A pity he is Argentinian, we seem to ignore them.

Make it a "pet love" for both of us.
I didn't want to comment on your post this morning, at least until i watch him again against Poland.
What can i say more than you already did. Not hyped at all but simply brilliant player. He is the creative force of this beautiful Argentinian young team while Aguero is the star of the team


@Dru : Yeah, you were right all the time....Aguero is really special :5ok:

nefremo
12-07-2007, 18:33
This website, which untill now has been pretty reliable for me says that Ronaldinho has Spanish citizenship.

http://footballdatabase.com/index.php?page=player&Id=1054&b=true&pn=Ronaldo_Assis_de_Moreira

Blacktop
12-07-2007, 18:39
Dinho became a Spanish citizen back in January.

Finally, Sheva will supposedly meet Abramovich on Saturday and ask to be released back to Milan.
Coward. Sorry, no free passes.

mrki
12-07-2007, 18:40
@Dru : Yeah, you were right all the time....Aguero is really special :5ok:

I know this will sound a bit ugly and stupid, but Milan will never sign such a short forward. Players like Saviola, Aguero, Messi were never on Milan's list for some reason. I think we are looking always for some phisical presence upfront. This is the post you will probablynot agree with :grinser:

Tony29.
12-07-2007, 18:49
I know this will sound a bit ugly and stupid, but Milan will never sign such a short forward. Players like Saviola, Aguero, Messi were never on Milan's list for some reason. I think we are looking always for some phisical presence upfront. This is the post you will probablynot agree with :grinser:
Why shouldn't i agree when it's the truth :)
You know, these short SA forwards aren't on any list when we talk about Italian teams.
Just try to imagine Messi, Aguero, Tevez, Robinho and Saviola in Milan, Juve or Inter and then imagine them in Real, Valencia, Sevilla......we got so used to see such players in Spain that by default we say they'll never play for Milan or Juve.
It's a pitty though. I watched Argentina tonight and i felt sorry we'll probably never see the beautiful football of Moralez or Aguero in Italy (especially not in Juventus)
Inter does have many Argies but if you think about it, they are getting the more psychical Argentine players, never the dribbling masters.

Ahhh, those Maradona times :mad:

Hasan Rossonero
12-07-2007, 18:56
Dinho became a Spanish citizen back in January.


Coward. Sorry, no free passes.

That's what I posted a few posts back as well. However, I am getting conflicting stories. Gazzetta says he isn't while some other websites say he is.

mrki
12-07-2007, 18:59
Why shouldn't i agree when it's the truth :)
You know, these short SA forwards aren't on any list when we talk about Italian teams.
Just try to imagine Messi, Aguero, Tevez, Robinho and Saviola in Milan, Juve or Inter and then imagine them in Real, Valencia, Sevilla......we got so used to see such players in Spain that by default we say they'll never play for Milan or Juve.
It's a pitty though. I watched Argentina tonight and i felt sorry we'll probably never see the beautiful football of Moralez or Aguero in Italy (especially not in Juventus)
Inter does have many Argies but if you think about it, they are getting the more psychical Argentine players, never the dribbling masters.

Ahhh, those Maradona times :mad:

Honestly, as a serie a and catenaccio fan, I would also take Crespo over Aguero, Messi, Saviola and so on... goals are goals, everything else is simply a question of estetics... :grinser:

zlatanov
12-07-2007, 19:04
regarding Dinho's citizenship, gcom said that he still hasn't received his passport due to some complications but is already considered a Euplayer in Spain ... that might not be the case, however, if he transfers to Italy at least right at this moment ... things could change till then end of the transfer period though.

maybe this could be the reason for the conflicting reports.

Siregar
12-07-2007, 20:22
I dont know if anyone has asked about this already. If we had signed 1 non-EU player from outside Italy this summer, could we sign Pato in January (but first loan him to other serie A club in this summer) or if Pato came back to Milan one season after his loan (next year), would he be counted as a non-EU player from outside Italy? If I am not mistaken, Inter did such thing (loaning non-EU player to other Serie A clubs before joining Inter).

Tony29.
12-07-2007, 20:59
I dont know if anyone has asked about this already. If we had signed 1 non-EU player from outside Italy this summer, could we sign Pato in January (but first loan him to other serie A club in this summer) or if Pato came back to Milan one season after his loan (next year), would he be counted as a non-EU player from outside Italy? If I am not mistaken, Inter did such thing (loaning non-EU player to other Serie A clubs before joining Inter).
If you sign another non-EU then you can't sign Pato in January unless you take him from an Italian team

You can loan him to Siena and then get him but the problem is Milan will be his 3rd team in the season that way and you'll have another problem there. But Liverpool had the same problem with Mascherano and they got the license to sign him. I guess Berlu can work this out and Pato will be alowed to join you.

If you get him next year from an Italian team (season 2008/09) then he won't take the non EU place.

SkyEdge
12-07-2007, 21:30
Honestly, as a serie a and catenaccio fan, I would also take Crespo over Aguero, Messi, Saviola and so on... goals are goals, everything else is simply a question of estetics... :grinser:

Estetics ! Mestatics.. a goal is a goal.. score with ur bum , ur head ,
ur chest or ur chest hairs.. doesn't really matter.. its still a goal.. Hence
we have the greatest one of em all.. Super Pippo :u31:

SkyEdge
12-07-2007, 21:33
LOL the sun is overrated...over here we die for shade.

Hahaha.. where i'm from ( sunny Singapore ) people just drop dead while
looking for a shade ( temperature hits 37 degrees CELCIUS, tops of at 39 )

Hasan Rossonero
12-07-2007, 21:56
Today's Gazzetta update.

- Yesterday there was a meeting between Pato's agent and Milan
- Milan want to speed things up with Pato, but they would have to move his entire family to Italy if they want to sign him before Aug 31
- Milan, instead, are willing to wait until January 2008 for Pato.
- If that is the case, and given the fact that Dinho and Eto'o are not for sale, Milan will opt for Pato instead of the two (note choosing Pato would mean relinquishing the other because of EU rules. We have touched on this in this thread.
- The picture could change if Dinho and Eto'o obtain their passports before 31st August
- In the meantime, the best option, according to Gazzetta, is Cassano. Though Ancelotti would not be thrilled with the choice, Gazzetta believes the player would be a sound purchase economically, while the club waits for Pato.
- Berlu again said that he can only buy what is for sale. Laporta has told him, Dinho is not for sale.

GilAttack [11]
12-07-2007, 22:10
Its not true that you can only buy what is for sale.

BTW: What happened with all those Pato signed with Chelsea rumours? And what other teams interest?

Hasan Rossonero
12-07-2007, 22:42
']Its not true that you can only buy what is for sale.

BTW: What happened with all those Pato signed with Chelsea rumours? And what other teams interest?

Milan are speeding things up to beat competition from Chelsea and Real (this was the sub-headline, roughly).

hitmannq8
12-07-2007, 23:31
Milan love making their fans suffer before bringing back the ultimate prize so dont worry guys. Remember the CL win last season, the loss at OT, the draw at San Siro with Bayern.. remember last years summer transfer campaign we waited all summer to sign oliveira.. dont worry guys things will be fine :D

Kaka--7thUCL
12-07-2007, 23:49
That's what I think. Even some Barca fans aren't sure of Dinho's citizenship. I am trying to confirm, but I think he is still a non-EU player.

I'm not going to disagree because I know nothing of it either, but I don't get why Berlu said they'd leave Pato alone until under 21 stuff finished so he can concentrate in the same article when it said they'd be giving a new mega-bid for R10.. So I do in fact think he has his spanish citizen ship.. Lets hope. Just saying though, that basicly hinted they'd be going for Pato after R10 and this u21 wc is done.. :bri:

Kaka--7thUCL
12-07-2007, 23:57
This website, which untill now has been pretty reliable for me says that Ronaldinho has Spanish citizenship.

http://footballdatabase.com/index.php?page=player&Id=1054&b=true&pn=Ronaldo_Assis_de_Moreira

Wonderful. I hope it doesn't let you and all of us down now :P if he does that's just great. We get him and Pato and we're set.. I still want Rossi though :D:D and possibly Barzagli.. I'm good with Dida for another year MAX.

ARIO
13-07-2007, 00:32
If we get Cassano now,his price is only 4 mil pound, the same as Ronaldo's back in January....he could be a good option. Can we give him a one year contract and an option to extend? same as Robbie Fowler's Liverpool

Kaka--7thUCL
13-07-2007, 01:01
Cassano would be good, how old is he? I doubt hes over 30?.. If he is you can keep him because hes awful and not only thatt he has attitude and if he doesn't play because we have ronaldo and gila he'll probably settle it in the changing rooms as usual. Keep him at Madrid, it's nothing new to them.

Kaka--7thUCL
13-07-2007, 01:04
Lol eu passport or not he's probably putting pen to the paper as we speak :O

hitmannq8
13-07-2007, 01:13
Cassano's like 25. And the U-20 WC is not over yet. Your info is very inaccurate Kaka--7thCL! You are also very optimistic about us signing players! Dont hope we sign anyone because you will definitely end up disappointed when you find out at the end who we might end up with!

neav
13-07-2007, 02:49
well, just be proud of what we have now and think what we might get in this summer as a bonus for us, that way we won't be too dissappointed.

Stitch
13-07-2007, 02:51
@Dru : Yeah, you were right all the time....Aguero is really special :5ok:


But Atletico already signed him :mad:

Bye bye Aguero :kap:




:grinser:

mrki
13-07-2007, 04:29
Those contaracictory reposts are so funny that Its impossible not to laugh. Today Berlusconi "says" Ronaldinho is not for sale, yesterday he was "ready" to pay off the release clause and so on... And what are those plans - If we cant sign Dinho we'll sign Cassano?? WTH?? One of them costa 80mln another 5!

kris
13-07-2007, 04:32
I know this will sound a bit ugly and stupid, but Milan will never sign such a short forward. Players like Saviola, Aguero, Messi were never on Milan's list for some reason. I think we are looking always for some phisical presence upfront. This is the post you will probablynot agree with :grinser:

We haven't signed many tall ones either.
short ones: Simone, Ganz, Papin, Commandini

I don't see your point. We go for class players who fit our needs. Aguero is a Argentinian though and seemingly we aim at Brazilians.

ps. I was in time with my Pato prediction, one day before Gazetta ;)

As we talked about the Argentinians, apart from Moralez and Aguero Argentina had one more stand out player. Banega. He is very quick feet and can come out of situations against THREE opponents. He could be a good alternative to Pirlo. Although he seemingly is a bit of a ballhog.

Siregar
13-07-2007, 05:00
If you sign another non-EU then you can't sign Pato in January unless you take him from an Italian team

You can loan him to Siena and then get him but the problem is Milan will be his 3rd team in the season that way and you'll have another problem there. But Liverpool had the same problem with Mascherano and they got the license to sign him. I guess Berlu can work this out and Pato will be alowed to join you.

If you get him next year from an Italian team (season 2008/09) then he won't take the non EU place.
Thanks, Tony29.

Ghost
13-07-2007, 06:24
We should be happy with what we have - the best player in the world in Kaka!!

So hope could be a terrible thing.

Hasan Rossonero
13-07-2007, 07:06
Well, I hope Cassano won't be the high-profile signing of the summer. If our management do decide to go down the Cassano route, then I hope they get someone like Zambrotta for the defence. I wouldn't mind if our transfer season ended with Zambrotta, Cassano, and Motta and Pato in January.

hwmook
13-07-2007, 09:00
Well, I hope Cassano won't be the high-profile signing of the summer. If our management do decide to go down the Cassano route, then I hope they get someone like Zambrotta for the defence. I wouldn't mind if our transfer season ended with Zambrotta, Cassano, and Motta and Pato in January.

I will be happy if we can get Zambrotta and Cassano. Cassano has undeniable talent and i hope we can bring out the best in him. I still remember how he rise to top of Serie A at the age of 18. He is still only 25 and we can still get something out of him.

Hasan Rossonero
13-07-2007, 09:16
I know we're covered on the right-back position, but Mancini is reportedly having problems with his contract renewal with Roma (channel4).

Cafu's getting older, and Mancini would be an excellent purchase.

On another note, I am still trying to figure out who this "unsuspected player" is that Ancelotti was talking about.

rosoneri_11
13-07-2007, 09:28
I know we're covered on the right-back position, but Mancini is reportedly having problems with his contract renewal with Roma (channel4).

Cafu's getting older, and Mancini would be an excellent purchase.

On another note, I am still trying to figure out who this "unsuspected player" is that Ancelotti was talking about.



Amantino Mancini is a great winger!I would love to see him in milan's shirt, but can he play as a RB?.

mrki
13-07-2007, 09:31
Lucarelli left Livorno for Ukraine and Grosso left Inter for Lyon. Its a shame that suich good palyers leave Serie a. After CAssano, Emerson, Zambrotta, Cannavaro, Toni, Shevchenko serie a needs to stop their top quality players to leave just like that.

Anyway, dear people of Milanmania city, this will be my last post in the next 4 or 5 weeks as Im leaving on Adriatic sea to visit my grandparents. :diablo: I dont have internet in there so it will be tough to follow our mercato in details, but that is why I'll be back to this topic to see what was happening and to laugh at all the false rumors that will circulate in the next month or so.

Since I dont feel like today Milan will make any purchases on mercato, I will not post anymore. If you want to find me I'll be in here somewhere drinking something and looking at some tourist girls from Italy preferably :grinser:
http://www.iviganj.com/temp/kanal.jpeg

Cheers people and I hope I'll write long post about how to play Ronaldinho and ZAMBROTTA in our team when I come back ! :zany: :p017:

P.S.

Look at this clip. This is a clip about Tony29 and me in few weeks after serie a season starts and Milan and Juve start fighting for the Scudetto!! :grinser: :grinser: :grinser:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvT_vlF2HJk

Good bye!

zlatanov
13-07-2007, 09:51
Lucarelli left Livorno for Ukraine and Grosso left Inter for Lyon. Its a shame that suich good palyers leave Serie a. After CAssano, Emerson, Zambrotta, Cannavaro, Toni, Shevchenko serie a needs to stop their top quality players to leave just like that.

Anyway, dear people of Milanmania city, this will be my last post in the next 4 or 5 weeks as Im leaving on Adriatic sea to visit my grandparents. :diablo: I dont have internet in there so it will be tough to follow our mercato in details, but that is why I'll be back to this topic to see what was happening and to laugh at all the false rumors that will circulate in the next month or so.

Since I dont feel like today Milan will make any purchases on mercato, I will not post anymore. If you want to find me I'll be in here somewhere drinking something and looking at some tourist girls from Italy preferably :grinser:
http://www.iviganj.com/temp/kanal.jpeg

Cheers people and I hope I'll write long post about how to play Ronaldinho and ZAMBROTTA in our team when I come back

P.S.

Look at this clip. This is a clip about Tony29 and me in few weeks after serie a season starts and Milan and Juve start fighting for the Scudetto!! :grinser: :grinser: :grinser:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvT_vlF2HJk

Good bye!
take care mrki ... we'd sure want to read that long post about how Dinho and Zambro would be playing at Milan :D

have fun on the Adriatic and take it easy on the Italian girls there :diablo:
btw, I am sure there is an internet club or something over there - these are quite popular in the Balkans - so you could still be in touch with the lates of rumourville for about 50 cents/hour ... good things come at a price, you know :grinser:

I know we're covered on the right-back position, but Mancini is reportedly having problems with his contract renewal with Roma (channel4).

Cafu's getting older, and Mancini would be an excellent purchase.

On another note, I am still trying to figure out who this "unsuspected player" is that Ancelotti was talking about.
I also thought about Mancini when I read about his contractual problems with Roma but doubt we'd use him at RB - his taletn is wasted there IMO.
I was actually thinking we could use him as a striker/supports striker/right winger type of role and secure Pato but leave him to mature in Brazil for another year or two.

A player as versatile as Mancini could be very useful to Milan in a season like the one ahead of us and he has the right age and experience to bring the desired goods immediately ... and we could add Cassano too as the athmosphere at Milanello might be a bit too ideal without someone there to wreck havoc and cause unrest among the coaching staff and management :diablo:

rosoneri_11
13-07-2007, 09:55
Lucarelli left Livorno for Ukraine and Grosso left Inter for Lyon. Its a shame that suich good palyers leave Serie a. After CAssano, Emerson, Zambrotta, Cannavaro, Toni, Shevchenko serie a needs to stop their top quality players to leave just like that.

Anyway, dear people of Milanmania city, this will be my last post in the next 4 or 5 weeks as Im leaving on Adriatic sea to visit my grandparents. :diablo: I dont have internet in there so it will be tough to follow our mercato in details, but that is why I'll be back to this topic to see what was happening and to laugh at all the false rumors that will circulate in the next month or so.

Since I dont feel like today Milan will make any purchases on mercato, I will not post anymore. If you want to find me I'll be in here somewhere drinking something and looking at some tourist girls from Italy preferably :grinser:
http://www.iviganj.com/temp/kanal.jpeg

Cheers people and I hope I'll write long post about how to play Ronaldinho and ZAMBROTTA in our team when I come back ! :zany: :p017:

P.S.

Look at this clip. This is a clip about Tony29 and me in few weeks after serie a season starts and Milan and Juve start fighting for the Scudetto!! :grinser: :grinser: :grinser:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvT_vlF2HJk

Good bye!




Have a good time Mrki. :beach:

As for Lucarelli, i have to continue my.................


Bye, Bye Lucarelli! :kap:

Russo-Neri
13-07-2007, 10:03
I know we're covered on the right-back position, but Mancini is reportedly having problems with his contract renewal with Roma (channel4).

Cafu's getting older, and Mancini would be an excellent purchase.

On another note, I am still trying to figure out who this "unsuspected player" is that Ancelotti was talking about.


Manicini is incredible, BUT the guy seems like a real arrogant jerk. He just stinks of "head-case" syndrome. I think the only player that can tolerate his attitude is a fellow headcase like Totti. Milan always preach about the good rapport between players, but a guy like Mancini would destroy it all.

We're not connected with him anyway, but this is one potential transfer that I don't want to daydream about....

Hasan Rossonero
13-07-2007, 11:42
Yeah I forgot that it is Pannucci who plays RB for Roma.

If we're purely speculating, does anyone think Villa is still a realistic option (notwithstanding his price-tag)?

zlatanov
13-07-2007, 11:52
Yeah I forgot that it is Pannucci who plays RB for Roma.

If we're purely speculating, does anyone think Villa is still a realistic option (notwithstanding his price-tag)?
I doubt that he is still on the list ... I guess we'd have tried to use RO for a make-weight if Villa was still an option.

I believe that if it's not one of Etoo, Dinho, Sheva, then Pato would be the one we'd go for, while Cassano is still in the run even if we do get one of those 4 mentioned ...
Cassano would be like an exotic experiment for Carlo and Milan and they would need some time before they sirt him out, if ever, so going for cassano only would not be a risk Milan would take unless they have backed themselves up with another striker.

Kaka--7thUCL
13-07-2007, 12:23
Any new news on r10..

drucurl
13-07-2007, 12:29
Goal.com says that barca is having problems with gio dos santos instead of paying an arm and a leg for ronaldinho let's do the smart thing and get ourselves a crazy mexican :D

hany.Egypt
13-07-2007, 12:42
I wouldn't mind if our transfer season ended with Zambrotta, Cassano, and Motta and Pato in January.
are you kidding me , this would be much more than excellent

Graeme C
13-07-2007, 13:15
Those contaracictory reposts are so funny that Its impossible not to laugh. Today Berlusconi "says" Ronaldinho is not for sale, yesterday he was "ready" to pay off the release clause and so on... And what are those plans - If we cant sign Dinho we'll sign Cassano?? WTH?? One of them costa 80mln another 5!

i agree, but the money for Dinho is stupid.. i rather see that amount of cash being pushed into our new stadium... :grinser:

ACMILAN1983
13-07-2007, 13:21
Have a good trip mrki, I'll hope for both of us for Zambro in the meantime. ;)

Not much to say about today's rumours other than it looks like things could be progressing as hoped with Pato.

I get the impression this mercato will require us to be quite a bit more patient before our new star signing is revealed.

Hasan Rossonero
13-07-2007, 13:25
Apparently Nicolas Anelka was offered to us, but we refused (rightly so):

http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/index.php?action=read&id=67372

Ghost
13-07-2007, 13:39
Le Sulk reminds me of the forward version of Gallas - Non stop moaning.

He did score some good goals this season tho, pity tho - waste of a talent.

Warro Bantan
13-07-2007, 14:14
Enjoy the vacation mrki!!

What no new doom and gloom posts about how Berlu sucks, Galliani lies, and Milan are going to get relegated because Liverpool bought Torres?

Man, and just when I was starting to look forward to them! :D

otoniel
13-07-2007, 14:39
Goal.com says that barca is having problems with gio dos santos instead of paying an arm and a leg for ronaldinho let's do the smart thing and get ourselves a crazy mexican :D

i totally agree this guy is something different hes only 18 and hes already a world champion for mexico, and he's going to try to win another world cup this year. you should watch the game this sunday against argentina

Stitch
13-07-2007, 14:54
Uh

Bye, Bye Anelka :kap:


:ilol:

Giorgos
13-07-2007, 14:56
i totally agree this guy is something different hes only 18 and hes already a world champion for mexico, and he's going to try to win another world cup this year. you should watch the game this sunday against argentina

I know the player because Greek club wanted to take him on loan, i doubt that Barcelona will consider to sell him.

CL winner, Milan, the only team which didn't make any tranfer, PAOK Thessaloniki did 10 already. I know we don't need a lot of player but the time runs out.

For Mrki i hope to have the vacations i don't have because of my serious injury.

Warro Bantan
13-07-2007, 15:25
Hope you recover from ur injury Giorgos!!

I still maintain that you have nothing to worry about...we have all of July and August to sign players...and because we arnet after Freddy Adu and players like that, the transfers wont happen overnight.

It took all of one silly season, down to deadline day, for eg, for us to sign Gilardino...so remember that please, before u start to fret over the transfer season to date.

drucurl
13-07-2007, 16:22
Two of the best young talents in the world IMHO still remain unheralded on this board (although I see Tony29 seeing a bit of what I was talking about)
Sergio Aguero (Arg)
Giovanni Dos Santos (says he's Mexican :D )

In them we have our very own Messi and Ronaldinho respectively and at such a minute fraction of the price......if Berlu wants to spend, he should spend it on these kids who at most would cost $20 M each . The non EU thing is a bit of a pain but we could easliy loan them both and monitor their progress.

prifess
13-07-2007, 16:29
Two of the best young talents in the world IMHO still remain unheralded on this board (although I see Tony29 seeing a bit of what I was talking about)
Sergio Aguero (Arg)
Giovanni Dos Santos (says he's Mexican :D )

In them we have our very own Messi and Ronaldinho respectively and at such a minute fraction of the price......if Berlu wants to spend, he should spend it on these kids who at most would cost $20 M each . The non EU thing is a bit of a pain but we could easliy loan them both and monitor their progress.

well i agree: aguero and gio dos santos are superb talents together with anderson(now man u)
BOJAN is another 1 of barcas youth...


but yea their to young for our squad ^^

Warro Bantan
13-07-2007, 16:34
dru, et al....I see here a tendancy to treat these players like pieces on a chess-board...yeah, lets buy them, but send them on loan to Perugia or Livorno....does it ever cross your mind that these "pawns" might not want that?

How do u tell Pato, who starts for his club team in Brazil, or Sergio Aguero, who should feature more for Atletico now that Torres is gone, that:

Milan wants to sign you, but we will loan you to Siena for a year to see how u adapt to the Serie A...when their agent is telling them that: Chelsea will include you in the 25 man squad right away, or Werder Bremen will make you a starter.

I mean, the oversimplification of some of the thought processes makes me think that some of us have played waaaay too much Fifa 2006, or FM. :dontkn:

So there is no "easily loan them both and monitor their progress"....players of this quality wont take kindly to the bench, or being loaned out, and over whom would they start at Milan for example?

Ok, the retort could be: Well, they should be ambitious enough to sacrifice a year to prove to Milan that they are Milan quality...crap...very very few players would be willing to come to a club, only to be benched, or loaned out, when they are unquestionably talented, and in demand as starters.

Pato, though may put up with a "loan" arrangement, I dont see Kun Aguero doing that however...and neither dos Santos IMO.

Hasan Rossonero
13-07-2007, 16:45
Hope you recover from ur injury Giorgos!!

I still maintain that you have nothing to worry about...we have all of July and August to sign players...and because we arnet after Freddy Adu and players like that, the transfers wont happen overnight.

It took all of one silly season, down to deadline day, for eg, for us to sign Gilardino...so remember that please, before u start to fret over the transfer season to date.
Actually we signed Gilardino in July (19th I believe), but it felt like it took forever.

Warro Bantan
13-07-2007, 16:51
I stand corrected Hasan....I think Parma was the one with the deadline I think...:dontkn:

rosoneri_11
13-07-2007, 16:54
Uh

Bye, Bye Anelka :kap:


:ilol:


Hey! I was supposed to say that! :grinser:

Hasan Rossonero
13-07-2007, 16:56
I stand corrected Hasan....I think Parma was the one with the deadline I think...:dontkn:
That's right. Galliani, I think, gave them a take it or leave it offer, and a deadline.

I really hope we sign someone before the 23rd.

rosoneri_11
13-07-2007, 16:59
That's right. Galliani, I think, gave them a take it or leave it offer, and a deadline.

I really hope we sign someone before the 23rd.


We lost his favorite Bianchi. With Galiani's mind now from italy, i can only think Quagliarela!

kris
13-07-2007, 17:04
I stand corrected Hasan....I think Parma was the one with the deadline I think...:dontkn:

just dreading the football forums I can confirm that 19th of July is really really late and the managment that have not signed anyone before that date have already been beset with ridicule and had their family cursed. by the 19th of july a lot of players is "lost". :sob:

Hasan Rossonero
13-07-2007, 17:07
My main reason for wanting a signing before the 23rd is simply because I want the new arrival to start training with the team as early as possible (especially if it's someone like Cassano, who may need some time to recover his earlier shape).

@rossoneri_11

I don't understand?? Did Galliani ever say anything about Bianchi? What do you mean? Could you elaborate on what you're saying in your post?

rosoneri_11
13-07-2007, 17:15
My main reason for wanting a signing before the 23rd is simply because I want the new arrival to start training with the team as early as possible (especially if it's someone like Cassano, who may need some time to recover his earlier shape).

@rossoneri_11

I don't understand?? Did Galliani ever say anything about Bianchi? What do you mean? Could you elaborate on what you're saying in your post?



I had read on past news that Galiani liked a lot Bianchi and he had also proposed him to carlo.Thats why i said, that he lost his favorite.

Hasan Rossonero
13-07-2007, 17:19
I had read on past news that Galiani liked a lot Bianchi and he had also proposed him to carlo.Thats why i said, that he lost his favorite.
Ah I see. I don't remember reading that, but I'll take your word for it.

Warro Bantan
13-07-2007, 17:25
just dreading the football forums I can confirm that 19th of July is really really late and the managment that have not signed anyone before that date have already been beset with ridicule and had their family cursed. by the 19th of july a lot of players is "lost". :sob:
Can I change Shaggy´s hit Mr Boombastic, to a new moniker for Kris: Mr Sarcastic? :D :grinser:

Ghost
13-07-2007, 17:28
So there is no "easily loan them both and monitor their progress"....players of this quality wont take kindly to the bench, or being loaned out, and over whom would they start at Milan for example?.

Warro the same could be said about Kaka tho, when he signed would he of been happy on the bench? He came and kicked Rui out of the starting line up, I feel if we do get a young player it will be his goal to earn a place in the starting line up just like Kaka did.

Jim_UK
13-07-2007, 17:33
can someone give me a nice bullet-point style list of all that happened while i was away in London ... danke :D

Warro Bantan
13-07-2007, 17:41
Yes, Bandito, but my point was more on those posters who think: "Oh we can sign him, and loan him out", without stopping to consider if the player would be willing so to do.

And yes, Kaka is undoubtedly an exception, in that he came into the team, and made an immediate impact...I will never forget his goal for us vs some minnow, minutes after replacing Rui Costa late in the second half....it was a rocket of a shot, into the upper corner of the goal...fantastic.

But this is more the exception that proves the rule...Kaka is a humble footballer who realised that there were some "greats" ahead of him in the starting line up, knew he would be coming to fight for a place, and actually ended up doing so, and benching Rivaldo and Rui.

Most of the players talented enough to be targets for Milan, are starters, and stars for their current team, so how do u persuade them (obviously money isnt enough) to give up a starting position for bad enough the bench, but for a loan?

Puhleeease! I can imagine this dialogue with for arguments sake, Kun Aguero:

Agent: Milan wants u Kun!
Aguero: Great! How much is the salary?
Agent: Too good to refuse.....but..
Aguero: Ah ha! Knew there would be a "but", and we are not talking about Jennifer Lopez either right?
Agent: Right u r Kun! Milan will double your wages, but want to loan you out to Empoli to see how you adapt to Italy.
Aguero: Who else did u say was interested in signing me?

Need I go further with this? I hope not.

:D

this is the 6000 post on this thread! I am going to Debs today for my prize...what did u get for the 5000th Jim? :D