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Warro Bantan
13-07-2007, 17:43
can someone give me a nice bullet-point style list of all that happened while i was away in London ... danke :D



Nothing
Nothing, and
more nothing
:D

Stitch
13-07-2007, 18:18
Hey! I was supposed to say that! :grinser:

:grinser: well, why do you keep forgetting to say that then?


Bye, Bye Bianchi :kap:


:zany: :grinser:

SANT
13-07-2007, 18:25
this is the 6000 post on this thread! I am going to Debs today for my prize...what did u get for the 5000th Jim? :D

Not only that, Warro, but you did it to close the 400th page...

add them up and you have a NICE - ROUND 1,000 (you started thinking of JLo, didn't you?)

so your prize will be to search for Jim's photo in the MM Members Pictures thread... :devf:

Warro Bantan
13-07-2007, 19:00
add them up and you have a NICE - ROUND 1,000 (you started thinking of JLo, didn't you?)

so your prize will be to search for Jim's photo in the MM Members Pictures thread... :devf:

Even if 6000+400 doesnt add up to 1000, JLo is such a 1000...she blows the old rating system out of "10" not only out of the water, but out of the known universe as well :D

Couldnt think of a better prize than to look for Sir Jim of Liverpool´s mug shot! :notlist: :bri:

Ghost
13-07-2007, 19:23
Yes, Bandito, but my point was more on those posters who think: "Oh we can sign him, and loan him out", without stopping to consider if the player would be willing so to do.

Warro I know you have a point about Kaka being humble and a player like him is hard to get, he did have an immediate impact and to be honest I think there are only a few players if any like him in the world. The younger generation should use him as an idol, they should look at the way he broke in to the team and use that as motivation. I personally think that is the main difference between Seria A and the EPL, in the PL the younger player go on loan or they stick with the clubs playing in a mickey mouse cup (Carling cup) or maybe a few starts in the FA Cup and if they look like they can handle the game well then they are thrown into the starting 11.

I think we need to try for the young players as im sure only a very few would want a place with the starting line up automatically as its logic for them to prove them selves first. You mentioned a point earlier on about Pato automatically being in the squad for Chelsea - but you should look at the competition he faces up front, for starters hes against Drogba & Sheva (Will Jomo drop any of these, I doubt it and you also have Kalou who is Jomo's favourite) and im sure it would of crossed Patos mind he has a better chance at breaking into the Milan team with an injury prone Ronaldo, misfiring Gillardino and ermmm an old (but a legend) Pippo.

Warro Bantan
13-07-2007, 19:58
I think we need to try for the young players as im sure only a very few would want a place with the starting line up automatically as its logic for them to prove them selves first. You mentioned a point earlier on about Pato automatically being in the squad for Chelsea - but you should look at the competition he faces up front, for starters hes against Drogba & Sheva (Will Jomo drop any of these, I doubt it and you also have Kalou who is Jomo's favourite) and im sure it would of crossed Patos mind he has a better chance at breaking into the Milan team with an injury prone Ronaldo, misfiring Gillardino and ermmm an old (but a legend) Pippo.

I think you misunderstand me Bandito...I was using Chelski as a hypothetical example, nothing more. Indeed, Pato would face the same/similar challenges, but I do think the bottom line remains the same: He would opt for a club where he would be given a starting role, or at least a spot on the bench, as opposed to joining a giant, but getting loaned out for a year or so.

I am sure Kaka was given assurances he wouldnt be loaned out...are you closer/getting my point now? :dontkn:

hitmannq8
13-07-2007, 20:04
warro bantan wuh yah do me mun?

Warro Bantan
13-07-2007, 20:08
hitmann...mi nuh kno star...tell mi nuh?

Warro Bantan
13-07-2007, 20:09
later dudes...going home now..."chat" with yall tomorrow, or Monday!! :D

hitmannq8
13-07-2007, 20:11
i planning on comin to jamaica soon.. if i do i'll PM you

Hasan Rossonero
13-07-2007, 21:39
Today's Gazzetta:

- Cassano still represents the best solution for Milan, and they will probably go for him. They wait for Pato, and Milan have not fully given up on Ronaldinho, though it may be difficult given that Laporta doesn't seem to want to sell him. Dinho may get his Spanish citizenship before August 31st.
- Also Oliveira may stay :nervous: ...apparently there is about 250,000 euros difference between what the Brazilian wants and what Zaragoza are willing to offer.
- Sheva return seems difficult


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So our strikeforce could very well be Ronaldo, Cassano, Gilardino, Oliveira and Inzaghi. I like it.

Hopefully our high-profile signing will be a defender or a midfielder.

Thoughts??

Kaka--7thUCL
13-07-2007, 21:56
Yeah I agree. I like cassano and I like Ronaldo, it's great. even without oliveira we can do without him and we can do with the money to buy a young defender and for our big signing its looking likely to be dinho.. :D

Graeme C
14-07-2007, 04:34
Today's Gazzetta:

- Cassano still represents the best solution for Milan, and they will probably go for him. They wait for Pato, and Milan have not fully given up on Ronaldinho, though it may be difficult given that Laporta doesn't seem to want to sell him. Dinho may get his Spanish citizenship before August 31st.
- Also Oliveira may stay :nervous: ...apparently there is about 250,000 euros difference between what the Brazilian wants and what Zaragoza are willing to offer.
- Sheva return seems difficult


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So our strikeforce could very well be Ronaldo, Cassano, Gilardino, Oliveira and Inzaghi. I like it.

Hopefully our high-profile signing will be a defender or a midfielder.

Thoughts??

gota get rid of Oliviera though, with cassano and Ronaldo both ahead of him hes just going to get paid to sit on the bench.

rosoneri_11
14-07-2007, 04:35
:grinser: well, why do you keep forgetting to say that then?


Bye, Bye Bianchi :kap:


:zany: :grinser:



I didn't forget to say that!I was off line.And when i come on line you had already anticipated me, when i was ready to post it first! :d55: ......................... :devf: :devf: :devf: :devf: !

Graeme C
14-07-2007, 04:35
If shevas arrival is doubtful, if Chelsea are willing to let Robben go that could be an option..

Hasan Rossonero
14-07-2007, 05:20
Well, scratch keeping Oliveira. He has been loaned to Real Zaragoza.

COMUNICATO UFFICIALE
14/07/2007
MILANO - L'A.C.Milan comunica di aver ceduto in prestito con diritto di riscatto il calciatore Ricardo Oliveira al Real Zaragoza.


www.acmilan.com

hitmannq8
14-07-2007, 05:31
I noticed that the Gazzetta article Hasan posts here every morning is just a pure load of BS. None of what it said is true or has happened, and no it has not proven to be more accurate than the others this summer. I cannot remember one accurate article from them that they have predicted.

They even said Milan may keep Oliveira! They said that because they noticed rumours about Oliveira were so hot 3 days ago but they recently died out, so they are just using their logic in their rumours. Same thing goes with all the stuff they say about Cassano and Pato. Just pure logic and common sense, Gazzetta isn't that much better than the rest of the papers.

Anyway, Oliveira has been officially loaned to Zaragoza hence the #7 jersey is officially vacant ;) who's worthy enough to take Sheva's shirt? I say bring back Sheva, but I doubt it'll happen. I'll cross my fingers n hope for Cassano instead of Dinho and possibly a few more players.

Ghost
14-07-2007, 05:32
I think you misunderstand me Bandito...I was using Chelski as a hypothetical example, nothing more. Indeed, Pato would face the same/similar challenges, but I do think the bottom line remains the same: He would opt for a club where he would be given a starting role, or at least a spot on the bench, as opposed to joining a giant, but getting loaned out for a year or so.

I am sure Kaka was given assurances he wouldnt be loaned out...are you closer/getting my point now? :dontkn:

Yep Warro I get your drift now, lol I thought you was serious about that Chelsea point - My bad.

Reports in Britain suggest Milan are ready to take back Sheva for 15 Million and Sheva will hold talks with Roman on his future.

Hasan Rossonero
14-07-2007, 05:46
I noticed that the Gazzetta article Hasan posts here every morning is just a pure load of BS. None of what it said is true or has happened, and no it has not proven to be more accurate than the others this summer. I cannot remember one accurate article from them that they have predicted.

They even said Milan may keep Oliveira! They said that because they noticed rumours about Oliveira were so hot 3 days ago but they recently died out, so they are just using their logic in their rumours. Same thing goes with all the stuff they say about Cassano and Pato. Just pure logic and common sense, Gazzetta isn't that much better than the rest of the papers.

Anyway, Oliveira has been officially loaned to Zaragoza hence the #7 jersey is officially vacant ;) who's worthy enough to take Sheva's shirt? I say bring back Sheva, but I doubt it'll happen. I'll cross my fingers n hope for Cassano instead of Dinho and possibly a few more players.

Yeah, it's hit and miss with them.

But I must say, Gazzetta has a sterling reputation in Italy. For example, last summer they speculated a lot about how Ibra and Zambrotta were close to Milan, but they went elsewhere. I was kind of unimpressed, but it turns out now that the players were indeed close to Milan.

All papers speculate, but Gazzetta is supposed to be very close to the two Milanese clubs.

Corriere and Tuttosport often speculate without anything concrete. However, I urge people to read Gazzetta because I only post transfer news here, but the paper itself is very very informative. It is also improving my Italian.

They also have in-depth interviews with a lot of people. All in all a good paper.

I post it here just so people who don't have access to it can quickly see the Milan related news (in a little more depth than channel4's Italian papers' headlines section).

kris
14-07-2007, 05:57
Gazzetta doesn't take things out of thin air and write about them. they print things that are plausible and likely is being worked on. I am still certain Pato will come to us, although not likely this transfer window.

Hasan Rossonero
14-07-2007, 06:25
Sheva begs for San Siro return
Saturday 14 July, 2007
Andriy Shevchenko is set for crunch talks with Chelsea next week begging to be released for a £15m move to Milan.

Reports in several newspapers, including the ‘Daily Mirror’, ‘Daily Star’ and ‘Sky Italia’ television, suggest Roman Abramovich will meet with the Ukrainian over the next few days.

The Rossoneri have never disguised their desire to bring Sheva back to San Siro just a year after his £30m switch.

President Silvio Berlusconi and Vice-President Adriano Galliani have also repeatedly stated that the player is eager to return to the club where he played for seven years, winning the Scudetto, Champions League, Coppa Italia, European Super Cup and the Ballon d'Or.

Recently Galliani gave a clue as to what was needed to complete the deal. “I spoke to Shevchenko and he knows what he has to do.”

Next week the hitman will hold showdown talks with Chelsea owner Abramovich and beg to be released from his contract for £15m so that he can join Milan.

This would after all be a repeat of what happened last summer, when he was only sold because he personally asked the Rossoneri to be set free, supposedly so that he could learn English to communicate better with his American wife Kristen Pazik and their children.

Napoli transfer guru Pierpaolo Marino was also asked about the Shevchenko situation and commented on Pazik’s role.

“Shevchenko to Milan? There’s no point asking transfer experts, you’d be better off asking his wife.”

Another problem may lie with his former teammates, as it's rumoured many of them would not welcome Sheva with open arms after he abandoned them 12 months ago.


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channel4

Ghost
14-07-2007, 06:46
There are too many things which would just not be right with us taking back Sheva:

- How will the fans take this? (He did abandon us)
- How will the team take it? (I know some dont want him back)
- The money issue (15Mill is too expensive IMO)
- The age factor (Hes 31, got another few good years in him)

When thinking about it I just dont want him back, but then again he will always remain a Milan legend. Im sure there are other supporters like me who first got interested in Milan because of Shevchenko and for the main reasons of what he gave to us and just thinking about the K22-R99-S7 partnership makes me want him to return.

ACMILAN1983
14-07-2007, 07:31
I retract the statement I made yesterday about having to be patient now. After seeing Oliveira's left on loan, I'm certain some sort of deal has been worked out. After all, having 3 forwards without being certain we've got someone in place is incredibly risky. Added to that, I can imagine the management wants our big signings as a part of the squad for 23 July when pre-season starts.

I also believe should Pato join, he'll play a part in the squad rather than leaving on loan to gain experience. Rather, I imagine he'll play a similar role to what Gourcuff played last season, playing some matches here or there and being trained up by more senior players (and who better to train him up than Kaka and Ronaldo)

Arildonardo
14-07-2007, 08:57
There are too many things which would just not be right with us taking back Sheva:

- How will the fans take this? (He did abandon us)
- How will the team take it? (I know some dont want him back)
- The money issue (15Mill is too expensive IMO)
- The age factor (Hes 31, got another few good years in him)

When thinking about it I just dont want him back, but then again he will always remain a Milan legend. Im sure there are other supporters like me who first got interested in Milan because of Shevchenko and for the main reasons of what he gave to us and just thinking about the K22-R99-S7 partnership makes me want him to return.
I agree, I would also find it hard to want Shevchenko back. There are other strikers I wanted more, because he abandoned us. But the strikers I want seem really hard to get so maybe, just maybe, Shevchenko can be an ok solution after all... I'm a bit torn though...

NAMMY
14-07-2007, 09:37
So we've finally gotten rid of Oliveira - hopefully we'll get a better striker in his place. Though if he does well over there will it be worth having him again (though he usually does well in the Primera), but Zaragoza may want to keep him?

Giorgos
14-07-2007, 09:41
MILAN IN £15M BID FOR SHEVA

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/13428/Milan-in-£15m-bid-for-Sheva

AC MILAN are waiting for the green light from Roman Abramovich in order to buy back Andriy Shevchenko for £15million.

They want to take the unsettled striker back to the San Siro, but Abramovich himself must decide if he will be sold.

Sporting director Adriano Galliani contacted the Blues at the end of last week to lodge his club’s official interest.

But he was told billionaire owner Abramovich would be the only person to decide whether the Ukrainian would be allowed to leave.

Shevchenko eventually arrived at Stamford Bridge last year for £30m because he is a personal friend of Abramovich.

But he struggled to settle and clashed with manager Jose Mourinho, who was disappointed with his commitment, fitness and attitude.

Shevchenko was at the core of the tense bust-up between Mourinho and Abramovich.


Abramovich will be the only person to decide whether the Ukrainian can leave.



Mourinho would be more than happy to wave goodbye to Shevchenko, but his future is in the hands of Abramovich.

Shevchenko is also desperate to return to Italy, but part of the problem is that Milan have not yet offered enough.

They want Chelsea to take a £15m loss, which Abramovich is reluctant to do.

Sleep
14-07-2007, 10:01
Why will Shevchenko return?

_ He would receive anger and disappointment from Milan fans, coach, players...
_ His wage will be reduced
_ He can't learn English
_ And the main problem is he can't show his faith to Chelsea :grinser:

Hasan Rossonero
14-07-2007, 10:15
Laporta has reiterated that Ronaldinho will not leave:

http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/index.php?action=read&id=67469

Graeme C
14-07-2007, 10:49
I can see the logic in getting Sheva back, a player who can fit back into the team quickly, a player who is a natural goalscorer, and has brilliant seria A history. But again questions could arrise over his loyality. The english was thing just a excuse for greed and his wife, Kakas english is really good...

There is no logic in spending £60+ million for Ronaldinho who could flop playing against good defenders in Seria A, like Oliviera has. Whereas £15 mill on Sheva isnt as much of a risk.

Whats better? to satisfy a few fans with a big name signing like Ronaldinho. Or buy a effective goal scorer who can gurantee 16+ goals a season and who wouldnt break our bank, and the stability of the club.

If Milan are going all out, like Pirlo said.. we could do with 5 strikers. If we signed cassano and sheva now. Cassano would need a couple of months to get back into shape, sheva would need some time aswell. With Ronnie and Inzaghi having injury problems there would be enough games for all. Plus in january we would have enough space for Pato.

Sheva + cassano+ pato £34 mill if were lucky?

Next summer we might not need to redo attack unless Gilardino or inzaghi or both leave. Then we could aim for Rossi or Quagliarella

Sleep
14-07-2007, 11:01
I can see the logic in getting Sheva back, a player who can fit back into the team quickly, a player who is a natural goalscorer, and has brilliant seria A history. But again questions could arrise over his loyality. The english was thing just a excuse for greed and his wife, Kakas english is really good...

There is no logic in spending £60+ million for Ronaldinho who could flop playing against good defenders in Seria A, like Oliviera has. Whereas £15 mill on Sheva isnt as much of a risk.

Whats better? to satisfy a few fans with a big name signing like Ronaldinho. Or buy a effective goal scorer who can gurantee 16+ goals a season and who wouldnt break our bank, and the stability of the club.

If Milan are going all out, like Pirlo said.. we could do with 5 strikers. If we signed cassano and sheva now. Cassano would need a couple of months to get back into shape, sheva would need some time aswell. With Ronnie and Inzaghi having injury problems there would be enough games for all. Plus in january we would have enough space for Pato.

Sheva + cassano+ pato £34 mill if were lucky?

Next summer we might not need to redo attack unless Gilardino or inzaghi or both leave. Then we could aim for Rossi or Quagliarella

How can you guarantee Shevchenko will score 16+goals? P15M is a too high price comparing to Henry's P16M <Henry is 1 year younger>. No Shevchenko for me.

And about the part "Sheva + cassano+ pato £34 mill if were lucky?", I can do much better with P34M. Even P15M for Shevchenko <too high>, P19M is more than enough for both Pato and Cassano. I think with about P12M we can surely get both Cassano and Pato <once again, P15M for Shevchenko is too expensive>

zlatanov
14-07-2007, 11:03
If Milan are going all out, like Pirlo said.. we could do with 5 strikers. If we signed cassano and sheva now. Cassano would need a couple of months to get back into shape, sheva would need some time aswell. With Ronnie and Inzaghi having injury problems there would be enough games for all. Plus in january we would have enough space for Pato.

I agree with your reasoning and also with Milan probably needing 5 strikers too but I don't see how we in January we could have space for Pato unless the Cassano experiment doesn't work and Milan are eager to get rid of him come Christmas ... even then, however, we would have used our non-Eu spot on Sheva, which leaves Pato out for sure until next summer.

The only way for us to get Pato in January is if we do not buy any non-EU player this summer, which means no Sheva, and maybe even no etoo, drogba, etc should they become available later on for whatever reason.

Ghost
14-07-2007, 11:09
Kaka has put a stop to those Real Madrid reports that come out of Spain every day. “Milan are my priority.”

The Brazilian has been named as a transfer target for the past two years and newspapers ‘Marca’ and ‘As’ have repeatedly claimed he asked the Rossoneri to be released.

“Milan are my priority,” he declared in ‘Diario de Hoje’ in his homeland.

“I have not planned a move to Real Madrid, nor have I been contacted by any directors. My only plan is to finish my holiday so I can get back to representing Milan.”

Kaka could not have been clearer, but this is still unlikely to end the reports emanating from the Spanish Press every day.

During the interview he also praised Internacional’s Alexandre Pato as the top young Brazilian player of the moment.

Under-20 World Cup starlet Pato is a known target for the Rossoneri and his agent has flown into Italy for negotiations this week.

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Channel4

ACMILAN1983
14-07-2007, 11:12
I can see the logic in getting Sheva back, a player who can fit back into the team quickly, a player who is a natural goalscorer, and has brilliant seria A history. But again questions could arrise over his loyality. The english was thing just a excuse for greed and his wife, Kakas english is really good...

There is no logic in spending £60+ million for Ronaldinho who could flop playing against good defenders in Seria A, like Oliviera has. Whereas £15 mill on Sheva isnt as much of a risk.

Whats better? to satisfy a few fans with a big name signing like Ronaldinho. Or buy a effective goal scorer who can gurantee 16+ goals a season and who wouldnt break our bank, and the stability of the club.

If Milan are going all out, like Pirlo said.. we could do with 5 strikers. If we signed cassano and sheva now. Cassano would need a couple of months to get back into shape, sheva would need some time aswell. With Ronnie and Inzaghi having injury problems there would be enough games for all. Plus in january we would have enough space for Pato.

Sheva + cassano+ pato £34 mill if were lucky?

Next summer we might not need to redo attack unless Gilardino or inzaghi or both leave. Then we could aim for Rossi or Quagliarella

I must disagree. Sheva may not fit into the side easily if there are players in the squad still annoyed at him.

Though not as much a risk as Ronaldinho, Sheva also won't guarantee success. He has a proven history in Serie A, but by his standards his form has been terrible for a year, it's not easy to turn that round when moving around a lot. Right now, 16+ goals from him is asking a lot.

Additionally, he's now coming up to 31, where we'll be lucky to get a couple of good seasons from him. Getting someone like Ronaldinho at 27 would cost a lot, but at least 3-4 seasons can be gotten out from him.

And from a non-footballing perspective, Ronaldinho will be far more marketable than Sheva now. With Ronaldinho, his market value could return the costs of his pricetag in his time at Milan, much like Beckham in Real. However, that is partly dependant on how well he does in Milan, which is still a big risk. Point is, Sheva isn't that much less of a risk when all things are considered.

I've mentioned in the past that I'm very, very hesitant on how well Ronaldinho could do in Milan, but like I've also said, if he can adapt his game and if we can get him at a reasonable price then he'd definately be the best option for us around. His game would need greater urgency, with him not wasting so much time on the ball and playing less of a fantatista role and more of a supporting forward/attacking midfielder (similar to Seedorf last season) role. As far as money goes, when the rumours surrounding Sheva were flying about, prices of up to 100 million euros were being mentioned in the press. Ronaldinho has apparently been priced at 120 million euros, but don't be surprised if we get him for roughly half that (ala Sheva to Chelsea). Laporta is insistent he's not for sale, but it's worth a shot considering the situation at Barca and the amount of competition, plus Ronaldinho not necessarily pleased with things there.

Nordahl
14-07-2007, 11:15
I sincerely hope that $hevchenko will not return, as I can't imagine a silliest move... unless we're planning to sign Bierhoff, for instance...

We must sign Alexandre Pato, 'cause he's almost ready for a starting spot, and also someone like Huntelaar, that's the right thing to do.

Hasan Rossonero
14-07-2007, 11:31
Kaka has put a stop to those Real Madrid reports that come out of Spain every day. “Milan are my priority.”

The Brazilian has been named as a transfer target for the past two years and newspapers ‘Marca’ and ‘As’ have repeatedly claimed he asked the Rossoneri to be released.

“Milan are my priority,” he declared in ‘Diario de Hoje’ in his homeland.

“I have not planned a move to Real Madrid, nor have I been contacted by any directors. My only plan is to finish my holiday so I can get back to representing Milan.”

Kaka could not have been clearer, but this is still unlikely to end the reports emanating from the Spanish Press every day.

During the interview he also praised Internacional’s Alexandre Pato as the top young Brazilian player of the moment.

Under-20 World Cup starlet Pato is a known target for the Rossoneri and his agent has flown into Italy for negotiations this week.

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Channel4
Thanks for posting that. :5ok:

Arildonardo
14-07-2007, 11:34
I sincerely hope that $hevchenko will not return, as I can't imagine a silliest move... unless we're planning to sign Bierhoff, for instance...

We must sign Alexandre Pato, 'cause he's almost ready for a starting spot, and also someone like Huntelaar, that's the right thing to do.
I think Pato is an extremely talented player of course, but he's still only 17 years old and I really doubt he's ready for a starting spot at the greatest club in the world yet... Anyway, I still hope we sign him right away.

Kaka--7thUCL
14-07-2007, 11:45
Is ronaldinhos spanish citizenship confirmed? if is, what are milan waiting for? And does shevchenko have an eu passport??

Graeme C
14-07-2007, 11:46
I think Pato is an extremely talented player of course, but he's still only 17 years old and I really doubt he's ready for a starting spot at the greatest club in the world yet... Anyway, I still hope we sign him right away.

yeah i agree, hense the Sheva and cassano rumours.

Ghost
14-07-2007, 11:47
No problems Hasan:

Silvio Berlusconi yesterday confirmed what most had already guessed. Despite the sound and the fury linking Ronnie with a switch to Milan, the president will not be getting his chequebook out to effect the move...
Berlusconi: "Ronaldinho Won't Be Joining Milan"
zoom - galleria
Rumours continued to abound in Italy over Silvio Berlusconi's scheme to single-handedly bring Ronaldinho to the San Siro, long after the rest of the Milan establishment had declared the chase over.

However, yesterday Berlusconi insisted that he was completely unable to land the Brazilian superstar, despite being a self-confessed admirer of the player.

The controversial Italian puffed, "Everyone wants me to sign him, but how can I? The President of Barcelona says that he cannot sell him; if he did, he'd have to emigrate."

In what seemed to be the final, definitive statement, he said, "Ronaldinho will not play in Milan next year."

Next year? This could potentially leave the door open for a future approach but, for now, Berlusconi's answer seems final.

Ronaldinho had been heavily linked to Milan since Berlusconi's declaration of admiration for the player last July. Since then, all manner of potential bids have been reported, and there were even rumours of a secret meeting between Ronaldinho and a Milanese delegation back in April.

For now, however, Ronaldinho remains with the all-star Barcelona attack.

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Goal.com

Our options are getting smaller or smaller - Sometimes I wish I could go to the first day of the season just to look at the new players we will sign.

zlatanov
14-07-2007, 12:06
Is ronaldinhos spanish citizenship confirmed? if is, what are milan waiting for? And does shevchenko have an eu passport??
i am guessing that Milan just like to prolong sure things ... other than that can't think of a single reason why Dinho isn't already a Milan player

Hasan Rossonero
14-07-2007, 12:14
i am guessing that Milan just like to prolong sure things ... other than that can't think of a single reason why Dinho isn't already a Milan player

:ilol: :ilol:

Dr Milano
14-07-2007, 14:12
Why dont We just try and sign .. Mario gomez , hes young an talented

and he wouldnt cost all that much :irritate: the milan board are lazy ....

Jim_UK
14-07-2007, 16:13
Nothing
Nothing, and
more nothing
:D


that exciting huh? :D

For the 5000th post all i got was a pat on the back ... from myself :grinser:

I have a feeling that soon there will be terrible photos of me from my trip to London, so no need to search the depths of the photo thread for my mug shot :sagrin:

Giorgos
14-07-2007, 16:14
Why dont We just try and sign .. Mario gomez , hes young an talented

and he wouldnt cost all that much :irritate: the milan board are lazy ....

To say the truth i also like Gomez a lot.

zlatanov
14-07-2007, 16:20
To say the truth i also like Gomez a lot.
then I guess you guys have something in common - you both like unproven youngsters, who are valued at 20-25 mil euros :D

drucurl
14-07-2007, 16:27
dru, et al....I see here a tendancy to treat these players like pieces on a chess-board...yeah, lets buy them, but send them on loan to Perugia or Livorno....does it ever cross your mind that these "pawns" might not want that?

How do u tell Pato, who starts for his club team in Brazil, or Sergio Aguero, who should feature more for Atletico now that Torres is gone, that:

Milan wants to sign you, but we will loan you to Siena for a year to see how u adapt to the Serie A...when their agent is telling them that: Chelsea will include you in the 25 man squad right away, or Werder Bremen will make you a starter.

I mean, the oversimplification of some of the thought processes makes me think that some of us have played waaaay too much Fifa 2006, or FM. :dontkn:

So there is no "easily loan them both and monitor their progress"....players of this quality wont take kindly to the bench, or being loaned out, and over whom would they start at Milan for example?

Ok, the retort could be: Well, they should be ambitious enough to sacrifice a year to prove to Milan that they are Milan quality...crap...very very few players would be willing to come to a club, only to be benched, or loaned out, when they are unquestionably talented, and in demand as starters.

Pato, though may put up with a "loan" arrangement, I dont see Kun Aguero doing that however...and neither dos Santos IMO.

The thing is Warro ....if I was a great promising player and a massive club like Milan wanted to buy me and loan me out for the first year I think I'd jump at the offer.......there are many reasons why:
>I'd be able to showcase ALL of my talents at my "small club"
>Milan's best strikers are Ronaldo and Pippo...both made out of paper so my chances of being re-called are quite high
>The fact that I have already been bought by milan maens that I'm already a step closer to playing for my dream club...it's certainly a long term "investment" if you will. It's just like arriving at club where you know that you aren't guaranteed first team place. The examples you used are quite poor because the vast majority of big clubs already have good to great strikers and a 17' year old is going to have to spend a lot of time to prove that he is worthy of a first team place anyway. (wayne Rooney is a notable exception but even he had to prove himself before getting the first team spot)

the naked truth is that we can sugarcoat it any way we want but players ARE pawns of the club and the more effectively we use them (as long it's not in keeping with Juve's insensitive approach) the better for the club

drucurl
14-07-2007, 16:37
Bye Bye Ronaldinho :kap:




:( goal.com (http://www.goal.com)

King tiger
14-07-2007, 16:41
thats just Berlusconis tactic, well sing Ronaldinho for sure ! XD :D

hitmannq8
14-07-2007, 16:47
I actually dont think so, especially because Berlusconi reminded the fans that Laporta would have to emigrate in the case we got Dinho from them.

Giorgos
14-07-2007, 16:48
then I guess you guys have something in common - you both like unproven youngsters, who are valued at 20-25 mil euros :D

Where are you? i try to find you in the forum the last 9 days. Whenever i am in you are out, you started being the dissapearing man :uhm: :grinser:

e-Milan
14-07-2007, 16:55
The thing is Warro ....if I was a great promising player and a massive club like Milan wanted to buy me and loan me out for the first year I think I'd jump at the offer.......there are many reasons why:
>I'd be able to showcase ALL of my talents at my "small club"
>Milan's best strikers are Ronaldo and Pippo...both made out of paper so my chances of being re-called are quite high
>The fact that I have already been bought by milan maens that I'm already a step closer to playing for my dream club...it's certainly a long term "investment" if you will. It's just like arriving at club where you know that you aren't guaranteed first team place. The examples you used are quite poor because the vast majority of big clubs already have good to great strikers and a 17' year old is going to have to spend a lot of time to prove that he is worthy of a first team place anyway. (wayne Rooney is a notable exception but even he had to prove himself before getting the first team spot)

the naked truth is that we can sugarcoat it any way we want but players ARE pawns of the club and the more effectively we use them (as long it's not in keeping with Juve's insensitive approach) the better for the club

imo, if i'm a promising YOUNG player,... i might feel afraid that i will not shine in the new small club i will be loaned at, so it may even ruined my career even more. if i'm able to choose, then i'll choose the greater team with great midfielder, and become 1st eleven/1st sub, so if then i wont shine, well that will be becoz of me, and I only blame myself for that.
well there is a possibility in every aspect right ?

Kaka--7thUCL
14-07-2007, 19:51
I want sheva back I don't care who else milan buys. I'm over r10. If he comes great, if not , w.e. he probably will come though.. Who knows

GilAttack [11]
14-07-2007, 20:52
I want sheva back I don't care who else milan buys. I'm over r10. If he comes great, if not , w.e. he probably will come though.. Who knows

I want the same thing, especially since the other options are rather unimpressive.

Hasan Rossonero
14-07-2007, 22:58
Gazzetta says Milan were/are observing 5 players:

1) David Villa (35m euros)
2) Robben
3) Huntlaar
4) Anelka
5) Cassano

4 and 5 seem a remote possibility, and have pretty much been ruled out.

Also Kaka's brother says that Kaka hasn't released any statements to the media because he is on vacation with his family.

ARIO
14-07-2007, 23:04
david villa?? is he as good as his price tag??

Nordahl
14-07-2007, 23:06
']especially since the other options are rather unimpressive.

:rolleyes: :p146: :p146: :p146: :rolleyes:

So our best option is a fading star that already left us in the near past, exactly by the time of our darkest hour in recent times? Great...

ARIO
14-07-2007, 23:15
Just seen his actions on youtube....he got skills really....

but he's spanish.....35 mil euro is a gamble

Kaka--7thUCL
14-07-2007, 23:16
http://tribalfootball.com/article.php?id=47780

YES!! WB TO MILAN SHEVA!! ILU

GilAttack [11]
15-07-2007, 00:26
:rolleyes: :p146: :p146: :p146: :rolleyes:

So our best option is a fading star that already left us in the near past, exactly by the time of our darkest hour in recent times? Great...

Im talking soccer-wise, not thinking with my heart. I dont like Cassano, Anelka, Pato is too young, and so on. And Sheva IMO is still a very good foward, from a soccer standpoint I would love to have him back.

BTW: Villa would be a nice option as well.

Maurizio
15-07-2007, 01:10
David Villa would be good in attack.

Maltese Charlie
15-07-2007, 01:10
Gazzetta says Milan were/are observing 5 players:

1) David Villa (35m euros)
2) Robben
3) Huntlaar
4) Anelka
5) Cassano

4 and 5 seem a remote possibility, and have pretty much been ruled out.

Also Kaka's brother says that Kaka hasn't released any statements to the media because he is on vacation with his family.

I don't see too much truth in this article.
The articolist was assuming that since Milan now are with only 3 forwards,
and most probably will go for Pato in January, its a must to go for another forward, and this has to be a european.
So he shooted those 5 names.

remote2book
15-07-2007, 01:13
yessssss i know alot of you guys dont want sheva back but every1 deserves a 2nd chance.....so iam glad hes coming back ......he will fit with us and i htought maldini said he would have him back.....but the feeling of re uniting with your old teammates and bringing back the memories

Kaka--7thUCL
15-07-2007, 01:54
http://tribalfootball.com/article.php?id=47780

Guys I know I've posted it in the previous page but read it! I highly doubt Sheva would reject milan if the owner of his current club is offering him a move back there and milan would accept him with open arms not only that but I know he'd love a Milan move! He simply will not reject it. WB to milano Sheva. Dnt know what you were thinking going to chelsea but thanks for making us 15m profit :D lol anyways does this mean were not signing dinho ?:(:(

Kaka--7thUCL
15-07-2007, 02:01
Hassan you can scrap all 5, we've taken back Sheva, that's better then the rest.. I love sheva. He deserves a second chance and I'm glad we gave it to him, and I'm also glad Abrahimovich or w.e his name is actually thought for once to go to SHEVA himself and ask if he wanted a move, not defend him useleslly. WB to milano again and again ill say this: IT BETTER NOT INTERFERE WITH OUR CHASE FOR DINHO OR SHEVCHENKO BETTER HIDE :P but I really want R10. I hope this doesn't interfere with the Non-EU business #1. And #2. we got a forward instead of a mid but we can still sub Ronaldo for Sheva, Sheva for ronaldo between halves etc especially since Ronaldo is injured quite likely half the season, we can play with 2 mids behind Sheva/Ronaldo. soo.

---Sheva---
-R10---K22- then second half change Sheva for Ronaldo, or the other way around, w.e but we must get ronaldinho at any cost! Our team would be unstoppable, especially since the capture of Shevchenko was not a matter of money, and we actually got what we could VERY MUCH afford, so we better still be buying R10 or I'll be upset with both Shevchenko and Berlusconi for being a quitter. First of all, what Berlusconi said about Ronaldinho not coming was probably either part of a twisted plot, or just a pure BS article. I doubt he would say that. He would probably either phrase that INTELLIGENTLY or give it a maybe, he wouldn't just say Ronaldinho is not coming, if they interviewed him and that's all he said he was either half asleep or half drunk. Anyhoo. R10,Sheva,Rossi,Barzagli to Milan, Kaladze and Seedorf out :) Dream transfer market.

Kaka--7thUCL
15-07-2007, 02:04
Also what have you guys to say about loaning out Oliveira to Zaragoza? I think it a great idea, we can monitor his progress and when we get him back he'd probably be much more experienced and ready to play for the best team in Europe.

Kaka--7thUCL
15-07-2007, 02:13
:rolleyes: :p146: :p146: :p146: :rolleyes:

So our best option is a fading star that already left us in the near past, exactly by the time of our darkest hour in recent times? Great...

Nordahl what was he to do? And don't forget what he has done for us. If I were him, the position Milan were in at that time, being a player like Shevchenko, hitting 30, great player, I would leave to Chelsea too, many players when they hit 30 or over go to EPL too have a "better" image. Anyways, not in Sheva's case, besides, he's 99% signed .. Psht. He's wanted to move back to milan probably the second he got to Chelsea. And he won't reject an open arm offer from milan when the president OBVIOUSLYY couldnt care less, and if his wife is a problem just throw her off the 7th story of your house

Kaka--7thUCL
15-07-2007, 02:17
And no. Villa is not worth his price tag, if you ask me he's another useless player like Klose just to come to a top European team and to end up like Oliveira.

Tony75
15-07-2007, 02:27
So the best they can do is sign a traitor (ES), and a mentally retard loonie (Cassano). Woo hoo

Kaka--7thUCL
15-07-2007, 02:31
Lmao.. They aren't going to be signing Cassano are they? I hope not. Another thing on David Villa -- He's 25, he's not going to get any better .Leave him at Valencia pleASEE. Anyways now to Sheva, he's no traitor and he'll do great as a lone striker next year backed up by R10 and K22, and may I add Tony, since we are actually getting our WANTED deal for sheva, and he is coming at half of what we paid, it's basicly getting him for free, and that not only means we get sheva-- but we can still go for r10 :) R10 and Sheva would be great together, I wont even mention Kaka, the 2 or 3 years Kaka had with sheva, they played extraordinary together.

Tony75
15-07-2007, 02:49
They will NOT sign ES, and R10 together. It's either ES or someone we've never considered IMO. R10 is out of the deal, Cassano is another sulker ala Gilardino, and anyone else we've been linked with are either happy to stay in current club, or being linked with someone else first. Doesn't sound like being Euro Champs has any appeal for most players, except the rejects - emerson, cassano, or failures - ES.

martin
15-07-2007, 02:54
Lmao.. They aren't going to be signing Cassano are they? I hope not. Another thing on David Villa -- He's 25, he's not going to get any better .Leave him at Valencia pleASEE. Anyways now to Sheva, he's no traitor and he'll do great as a lone striker next year backed up by R10 and K22, and may I add Tony, since we are actually getting our WANTED deal for sheva, and he is coming at half of what we paid, it's basicly getting him for free, and that not only means we get sheva-- but we can still go for r10 :) R10 and Sheva would be great together, I wont even mention Kaka, the 2 or 3 years Kaka had with sheva, they played extraordinary together.
okay, ease up there buddy. if we sign sheva, there is no way berlu will spend all that money on R10. secondly, i can guarantee that unless ronaldo is injured or fills his fridge with prosciuto, he is a starter. if somehow, some way, we do get R10. it would look like this:ronaldo--sheva, kaka, R10--pirlo--gattuso. another thing, cassano would be an amazing signing. him and gila complement each other perfectly, i cannot think of a better 4th striker. for cl we cud use sheva-ronaldo, for serie a we have gila--cassano, and for super sub time we have inzaghi. lets say cassano fails, you can exchange him for any decent serie striker in january easily. lastly, if sheva is not a traitor, then who is?? as much as we love the guy, he screwed us over. didnt we have bad seasons with paolo in the squad, but he never left. it was easy to jump ship to chelsea considering our past situation, but that doesnt justify it being right. i do not think that he will ever be seen in the same light by milan fans. and i think he is an even bigger gamble than cassano because he had an awful season, and will cost us 15 mill at 30 years old.

remote2book
15-07-2007, 04:15
well sheva is a gurentee signing and i hope we get him ASAP ...R10 seems like wont be coming and cassano still hangs in the balance ....after siging sheva sign cassano who has serie A expierence and could work well with gila...sheva aslo provides leadership in CL and serie A expiernce

sylrus
15-07-2007, 05:00
i think we wil only get 1 striker
either its cassano or sheva
the fifth one will be aubameyang i think
on the defence it will be marzoratti or someone from the youth
milan will not buy a defender this year imo

hitmannq8
15-07-2007, 05:07
Kaka, you do know that we haven't signed Sheva yet? Whats up with the posts that Sheva is already a Milan player and already discussing maneuveres for Ronaldo, Kaka, and Sheva?

He still has a long way to go before becoming a Milan player. Abramovic and Mourinho won't let him go easily, especially after paying so much for him. Their pride and reputation is at stake here, they will need to squeeze every penny out of us, and seeing as Milan's management are also all about pride and keeping their word I honestly cannot see Sheva coming back even though it is my only wish for the summer.

Ghost
15-07-2007, 05:53
Kaka, you do know that we haven't signed Sheva yet? Whats up with the posts that Sheva is already a Milan player and already discussing maneuveres for Ronaldo, Kaka, and Sheva?

He still has a long way to go before becoming a Milan player. Abramovic and Mourinho won't let him go easily, especially after paying so much for him. Their pride and reputation is at stake here, they will need to squeeze every penny out of us, and seeing as Milan's management are also all about pride and keeping their word I honestly cannot see Sheva coming back even though it is my only wish for the summer.

Well said.

Im one of the few who actually doesnt want Cassano or any other new striker apart from Villa. This guy is crazy - he has so much potential.

Hasan Rossonero
15-07-2007, 06:48
I don't understand why people after reading Tribalfootball or even any article on the web assume it's a done deal. As for Cassano, he could be a great acquisition because the player is very talented and may need change of scenery, especially when you consider the toxic environment of Real Madrid.

Sheva's arrival, btw, would block Pato's arrival in January since they are both non-EU.

Also, David Villa (if an option) may be a gamble. Spanish players don't have the greatest time in Italy.

@Maltese Charlie

I agree with you. I just posted a summary of the article, so that people can see what the paper is saying.

Gazzetta actually rules out a lot of those names as it tries to understand who Milan will go for. Since Oli is on loan, I think they have a plan.

Stitch
15-07-2007, 08:15
well, i'd prever NO SIGNING than that mfer $hevchenko. you just can't leave when a team is having a very hard time, and then come back when they are european champions.

Shevchelski got what he deserved. I hope he never scores again.

Stitch
15-07-2007, 08:22
it looks like we have some competition for ronaldinho :grinser:

http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=353549

Ronaldhino To Newcastle?! The News of The World has claimed that Newcastle United have made a bewildering enquiry for superstar Ronaldinho.


Transfer season is renowned for throwing up incredulous stories about unlikely moves, but this is surely one step too far.

Ronaldinho has been in the centre of speculation over a move to Italy, but the UK-based paper The News of The World have reported that Newcastle United have made enquiries about how much it would cost for the Barcelona man to move to St James’ Park. The response? £58million.

New Magpies owner, billionaire Mike Ashley, would love to signal his intent with a big name signing, however it whether Ronaldinho would move to Newcastle is anybody’s guess.

:rolleyes:

lked
15-07-2007, 08:26
LOL .. funiest roumor iv'e heard this summer

zlatanov
15-07-2007, 08:28
This only shows how pathetic Milan is to allow Newcastle snatch Dinho under their noses ... fcs, we can't close a deal to save our lives.
I repeat - PATHETIC.

Doubt that move would materialize though - I bet Fulham or Man City will hijack the deal in the last moment.

Stitch
15-07-2007, 08:33
someone is trying to post pathetic forms of irony :grinser: :zany:

e-Milan
15-07-2007, 08:36
Doubt that move would materialize though - I bet Fulham or Man City will hijack the deal in the last moment.

Remember y'all.. you hear it here first
:grinser::grinser::grinser:

Stitch
15-07-2007, 08:37
Remember y'all.. you hear it here first
:grinser::grinser::grinser:


this is serious - after all, he IS Ronaldinho, so he knows best :grinser:

Dr Milano
15-07-2007, 09:23
then I guess you guys have something in common - you both like unproven youngsters, who are valued at 20-25 mil euros :D

You and your snide comments-remarks :rolleyes:

Gomez has done really well for the german nt and his club and Vfb stuttgart the champions of germany ... 20 mill euros its not exactly breaking the bank i mean milan do have berlu - one of the most richest man in the world ...

mario is young and energetic ... and scores regulary ... :devf:

Sign HIM MILAN SIGN HIM !!!

King tiger
15-07-2007, 09:50
For god s sake Berlusconi , siiiiiiign the man he is our saviour ! 1 1 1 1 !

sheva-gila
15-07-2007, 11:14
and now bojinov is on sale it would not be a surprise if we get him !!!!!

Jim_UK
15-07-2007, 12:10
There are plenty of good players around such as;

Taiwo, Pasqual, Zambrotta, Alves, Cannavaro, Lucho Gonzalez, Elano, Pato, Villa, Quaresma and to a lesser extent people like Diarra, Robinho, Rosicky, Toure, Gallas & Van Persie.

A combination of some of these players, particularly from the first group, should stand us in good stead for the up comming season.

Graeme C
15-07-2007, 12:19
Inter are now rumoured to be after Pato, if they do infact beat us to him.. it would be time for us to replace our transfer gurus...

Tony29.
15-07-2007, 12:19
Nothing happened in last 3 days ?

Hasan Rossonero
15-07-2007, 12:22
Inter are now rumoured to be after Pato, if they do infact beat us to him.. it would be time for us to replace our transfer gurus...
Inter have been after Pato for a while.

Stitch
15-07-2007, 12:24
This Mancini guy can sometimes be really funny :grinser:
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jul15m.html

Inter appeal to Pato
Sunday 15 July, 2007
Inter boss Roberto Mancini wants to win everything this season and believes Alexandre Pato is the man who can help them get there.

“This squad is certainly stronger than last year. We have come off an extraordinary campaign and begin with the same objectives – Scudetto and Champions League,” said the Coach.

Many believe it will be tougher this year without the Calciopoli penalties holding some clubs back and of course the return of Juventus.

“We have already won the Serie A title and hope to do so again this year, but not because Juventus are back in the fray. It would be important to repeat ourselves, there is no other reason.”

Inter’s transfer activity is not yet complete and Mancini sent out an open invitation to Brazilian Under-20 sensation Pato – also in negotiations with Milan and Chelsea.

“I don’t know much about the talks with Milan, but we have been tracking Pato for two years. He was very young the first time we saw him and not many people knew him. He’s a smart boy and knows leaving home could cause problems.

“We will see what he decides, but he is aware that at Inter he could find a family-oriented environment where he could become a real star.”

The Nerazzurri’s other major target is Cristian Chivu, although today President Massimo Moratti announced they were pulling out of the race for the Roma defender.

“Chivu is a player we tracked and wanted. The negotiations were a little tricky, we’ll see how they end up,” explained Mancini.

“I understand that at a certain stage the President got tired of it, but this doesn’t change the fact Chivu is an excellent player.”

Roma accused Inter of unfair tactics in trying to tempt Chivu away with a £3.7m per season contract, but the tactician denies anything untoward.

“I did not call Chivu personally, I only rang Pavel Nedved. That’s the truth!” he smiled at this revelation about the Juventus midfielder.

“I called him because we were teammates for three years at Lazio and are friends. Perhaps a few people forgot that. I called to get information on a Czech player, Radoslav Kovac, that we were interested in. I also asked if the rumours were true that he was thinking of retiring. That’s all we discussed.”

The phone call prompted front page headlines claiming that Inter had asked Nedved to come to San Siro if he failed to agree new contract terms with Juventus.

This obviously increased the already existing tension between the two clubs in the wake of Calciopoli.

“There will certainly be rivalry on the field and that will be cranked up in the days before our games. I don’t think it was normal, what happened a year ago. Now we’re all back to square one and must have the same sporting rivalry we always did between two big clubs.”



:ilol: :ilol:

Gabriel489
15-07-2007, 12:30
To be honest, I have not seen Pato plays.
Quite honestly, I never even seen so many people are praising someone this young.

Is he really the next big thing or just someone people see with loads of potential.

As for Ronaldinho, I do believe we are very close to him and I won't be surprise if he ends up in Milan.

As for Sheva, I don't he is coming back and to be honest, I don't think players in Milan will welcome him back.

Since Cannavaro is available, I guess Emerson and Cassano are too. I think Milan might just sign the three of them and close the transfer season

Hasan Rossonero
15-07-2007, 12:38
To be honest, I have not seen Pato plays.
Quite honestly, I never even seen so many people are praising someone this young.

Is he really the next big thing or just someone people see with loads of potential.

As for Ronaldinho, I do believe we are very close to him and I won't be surprise if he ends up in Milan.

As for Sheva, I don't he is coming back and to be honest, I don't think players in Milan will welcome him back.

Since Cannavaro is available, I guess Emerson and Cassano are too. I think Milan might just sign the three of them and close the transfer season

I'm just curious why YOU think we're close to Dinho. I think we're MAYBE close to him because everything is hush hush regarding the player. But Berlusconi's recent comments seem very categorical. Maybe it's just a tactic...

Nordahl
15-07-2007, 12:43
Inter are now rumoured to be after Pato, if they do infact beat us to him.. it would be time for us to replace our transfer gurus...

I cannot even think about it, it will be atrocious, man.

Hasan Rossonero
15-07-2007, 12:45
I think the 4 most realistic targets for Milan are Cannavaro, Motta, G. Rossi and Cassano.

The 2 "reach" targets are Zambrotta and Chivu.

And the 2 dream signings (one of whom can still come) are Eto'o and Dinho.

Let's see what Milan do.

Hasan Rossonero
15-07-2007, 12:46
You and your snide comments-remarks :rolleyes:

Gomez has done really well for the german nt and his club and Vfb stuttgart the champions of germany ... 20 mill euros its not exactly breaking the bank i mean milan do have berlu - one of the most richest man in the world ...

mario is young and energetic ... and scores regulary ... :devf:

Sign HIM MILAN SIGN HIM !!!
The thing is Doc, you may think he is a promising player and so may many, but if he isn't in Milan's plans then they can't be lazy. Maybe you can say they are making a mistake, but not every talented kid is on Milan's radar.

Kaka--7thUCL
15-07-2007, 12:47
Kaka, you do know that we haven't signed Sheva yet? Whats up with the posts that Sheva is already a Milan player and already discussing maneuveres for Ronaldo, Kaka, and Sheva?

He still has a long way to go before becoming a Milan player. Abramovic and Mourinho won't let him go easily, especially after paying so much for him. Their pride and reputation is at stake here, they will need to squeeze every penny out of us, and seeing as Milan's management are also all about pride and keeping their word I honestly cannot see Sheva coming back even though it is my only wish for the summer.

Uhm. Do you know how to read? The article CLEARLY said Abramovic was going to ASK sheva himself if he wanted a move to Milan how are Mourinho and Abramovic not going to let him go?

Kaka--7thUCL
15-07-2007, 12:48
Well said.

Im one of the few who actually doesnt want Cassano or any other new striker apart from Villa. This guy is crazy - he has so much potential.

Villa is 25 he has no more potential. If he were 20-22 sure, and btw, after next year Kaka' wont be getting any better apart from getting more experienced..

Nordahl
15-07-2007, 12:51
I guess we will sign Pato for the winter, we cannot let him go to one of our rivals... and by now, let's get Cassano.

Hasan Rossonero
15-07-2007, 12:51
Uhm. Do you know how to read? The article CLEARLY said Abramovic was going to ASK sheva himself if he wanted a move to Milan how are Mourinho and Abramovic not going to let him go?


:ilol: :ilol:

So, the article says it and you believe it?

Hasan Rossonero
15-07-2007, 12:55
Villa is 25 he has no more potential. If he were 20-22 sure, and btw, after next year Kaka' wont be getting any better apart from getting more experienced..

A footballer peaks in the 27-29 bracket. Villa can get better or maybe he can't. But his age is not the reason for that uncertainty. There are other factors too.

Jim_UK
15-07-2007, 12:57
I think the 4 most realistic targets for Milan are Cannavaro, Motta, G. Rossi and Cassano.



considering we're the European champs and have been making noises about having money to spend, you'd have to say those 4 names are nothing to get excited about. A defender nearing the end of his career, an average midfielder, a young italian player who might need regular games over bit parts and a troubled striker who has lost his head and his game.

It just feels we're always associated with 'comfortable' players, ones who are happy being second best in the squad and not offering anything new.

Graeme C
15-07-2007, 12:57
I'm just curious why YOU think we're close to Dinho. I think we're MAYBE close to him because everything is hush hush regarding the player. But Berlusconi's recent comments seem very categorical. Maybe it's just a tactic...


yeah i dont think were close to him, i think what Berlusconi said was pretty congrete that laporta would have to emigrate if he sold Ronaldinho to Milan. Its just hype, corriere dello sport bring up Ronaldinho every other week as they well know belusconi is a fan of the player.

I have a feeling were more closer to sheva than Ronaldinho.

GilAttack [11]
15-07-2007, 13:00
If Inter signs Pato we are doomed

:grinser:

Ghost
15-07-2007, 13:01
Villa is 25 he has no more potential. If he were 20-22 sure, and btw, after next year Kaka' wont be getting any better apart from getting more experienced..

As Hasan has mentioned above footballers normally peak around the 27 age range, well to post an article from Tribal and to believe it doesn't make sense because that site is full of crap.

Id rather have a Villa and take a risk with him compared to Sheva where it will be a bigger risk as this season has affected him mentally and even if he does recover what do we have? Another 2 may 3 years stretching it? Then think about the way he left us last year. If Villa is a success I can assure we will have many years with him, but then again whens the last time a Spanish player was a success in Italy?

Jim_UK
15-07-2007, 13:09
Id rather have Villa and take a risk with him compared to Sheva

I agree completely. Villa offers us much more than Shevchenko does, has more pace and is (right now at least) the more dangerous player for defenders to mark.

I'd like to know how long ago the last big Spanish import was, i'm guessing it was Mendieta about 5/6 years ago. Both the Italian & Spanish leagues have changed alot since then, so there's no reason why a Spanish player cannot now succeed in Italy.

Even if he didn't adapt, he'd still be young enough and have enough talent about him to recoup a good percentage of the money we would spend to get him in the first place.

Tony29.
15-07-2007, 13:38
I agree completely. Villa offers us much more than Shevchenko does, has more pace and is (right now at least) the more dangerous player for defenders to mark.

I'd like to know how long ago the last big Spanish import was, i'm guessing it was Mendieta about 5/6 years ago. Both the Italian & Spanish leagues have changed alot since then, so there's no reason why a Spanish player cannot now succeed in Italy.

Even if he didn't adapt, he'd still be young enough and have enough talent about him to recoup a good percentage of the money we would spend to get him in the first place.
Nothing of this is writen in stone and it's no guarantee that a Spanish player won't be a success in Italy but lately it has really been the case.
In the past Spaniards did leave a mark in serie A....Luis Suarez, Luis del Sol and Joaquin Piero come to mind. All of them had brilliant careers and had unforgetable years in Juve, Inter and Roma.
But they played in the 60's and 70's.

The last Spanish players in Italy were huge dissapointment.
Jose Mari came to Milan as the most exciting Spanish talent and left as an average striker. Half of Europe was after Javi Moreno who scored 24 goals in his last season in Alaves before Milan finally took him to Italy. In Milan he scored a total of 2 goals.
Gaizka Mendieta was a superstar who took Valencia twice in the CL final. Lazio payed 48m Euro for him..... actually, they payed 48m euro for a player who played only 28 matches for Lazio, scored 0 goals and became a bencher after only half a year. Another super talent from Spain who failled in Italy was De la Pena. He spent only 1 year in Lazio and then he was loaned to Marselle and Barcelona...he played only 16 matches and scored 0 goals in Italy
The other Spanish players in Italy include Farinos (Inter). Inter's bench isn't so warm anymore after he left Inter for Mallorca.

Josep Guardiola is the last one. He did play some good matches in Brescia, but he was 30 when he came to Italy and he was playing for a relegation candidate. Still, he wasn't a star even in Brescia. Played only 24 matches in 2 years and was banned for using Nandrolone.

Jim_UK
15-07-2007, 13:48
Nothing of this is writen in stone and it's no guarantee that a Spanish player won't be a success in Italy but lately it has really been the case.

The last Spanish players in Italy were huge dissapointment.
Jose Mari came to Milan as the most exciting Spanish talent and left as an average striker. Half of Europe was after Javi Moreno who scored 24 goals in his last season in Alaves before Milan finally took him to Italy. In Milan he scored a total of 2 goals.
Gaizka Mendieta was a superstar who took Valencia twice in the CL final. Lazio payed 48m Euro for him..... actually, they payed 48m euro for a player who played only 28 matches for Lazio, scored 0 goals and became a bencher after only half a year. Another super talent from Spain who failled in Italy was De la Pena. He spent only 1 year in Lazio and then he was loaned to Marselle and Barcelona...he played only 16 matches and scored 0 goals in Italy
The other Spanish players in Italy include Farinos (Inter). Inter's bench isn't so warm anymore after he left Inter for Mallorca.

Josep Guardiola is the last one. He did play some good matches in Brescia, but he was 30 when he came to Italy and he was playing for a relegation candidate. Still, he wasn't a star even in Brescia. Played only 24 matches in 2 years and was banned for using Nandrolone.

I'm aware of all of these facts about these players as i alluded to when i mentioned Mendieta's name, so what are you trying to tell me Tony?

Tony29.
15-07-2007, 13:59
I'm aware of all of these facts about these players as i alluded to when i mentioned Mendieta's name, so what are you trying to tell me Tony?
Nothing to tell you. I'm just saying that the last 6 Spaniards were flops so it can't be a coincidence.
If it was one or two then we can't generalize but it was 6 of them. I must conclude that the difference between La Liga (Spanish football school) and Serie A (Italian football school) must have been huge in early 2000's so all those players were lost in serie A and great in La Liga.

Still, like i said it's not a rule that Spanish players won't be a success in Italy and you're right when you're saying that with a super striker like Villa a risk deserves to be taken !

hwmook
15-07-2007, 14:18
Uhm. Do you know how to read? The article CLEARLY said Abramovic was going to ASK sheva himself if he wanted a move to Milan how are Mourinho and Abramovic not going to let him go?

you believed that article? Are you new to the term "rumours"? Tribalfootball is the worst site ever on the whole of the cyberworld and their news is the least reliable ever and i do mean EVER, check out their poor history. You actually think there is any truth in that news? :grinser:

Hasan Rossonero
15-07-2007, 14:42
considering we're the European champs and have been making noises about having money to spend, you'd have to say those 4 names are nothing to get excited about. A defender nearing the end of his career, an average midfielder, a young italian player who might need regular games over bit parts and a troubled striker who has lost his head and his game.

It just feels we're always associated with 'comfortable' players, ones who are happy being second best in the squad and not offering anything new.

Your lukewarm response to the list is understandable. However, we have to realize that we've quite a few star players. We, as a club, are striving to add players that will help the cause more than star names.

Let's take Man U. Their strikeforce looked very weak after Rooney. Saha was always injured, and Alan Smith hardly inspired confidence (Fergie even used him as a mid). Solsjskaer was getting up there etc. For them to buy Tevez was almost necessary. I still think they needed a pure finisher, but Ferguson has other ideas.

The same can be said for Liverpool who did well this season, but Benitez bemoaned the "lack of quality" in the team.

We as a team need reinforcements in the goalkeeping, defensive, midfield and forward departments. Therefore, in the striker department, apart from Ronaldinho, our management should most probably go for strikers who can offer more than Oli and not break the bank in the process.

Despite this, Milan have all but promised a big signing for the front-line. So let's see what happens.

Jim_UK
15-07-2007, 15:45
I must conclude that the difference between La Liga (Spanish football school) and Serie A (Italian football school) must have been huge in early 2000's so all those players were lost in serie A and great in La Liga.



Exactly, it was the early part of this decade. Since then both the leagues in question have changed and i for one think that Serie A will now be easier for a Spaniard to handle than it used to be.

Besides, Villa seemed to do ok against Inter in the CL last season :devf:


Your lukewarm response to the list is understandable. However, we have to realize that we've quite a few star players. We, as a club, are striving to add players that will help the cause more than star names.


Don't you think we should be aiming higher than this? I'm not asking or indeed expecting us to buy megastar after megastar, but there is definately room for improvement over those names.

There's buying players who won't rock the boat and are the easy option, like Emerson, Motta & Cannavaro. None of which will improve the squad a great deal. Then there's the alternative of buying younger & hungrier players who will offer us more in the long term, like Taiwo, Lucho Gonzalez, Pasqual, Huntelaar, etc. Players who will generally make a difference and won't just be stop gap solutions like the gradually increasing list of desperate transfers we've undertaken in the last few years. You also wouldn't call any of those players star names either, so there's definately a middle ground we should aim for in terms of calibre of player.

acdc81
15-07-2007, 15:53
i don't think we need big stars to improve the first 11, what i'm missing is a good bench. like Jim_UK said in another thread, the problem is that our best players have to play much too many games and we as a club are too reliant on them.

we need a quality bench to rotate the most important positions so that the players don't get too tired. specially the fullback positions are essential to our game still all our fullbacks are over 30.

i think we need
a striker
a dm
at least one fullback (no matter what side, one for each would be better)

but that will not happen unfortunately.

Hasan Rossonero
15-07-2007, 16:28
Exactly, it was the early part of this decade. Since then both the leagues in question have changed and i for one think that Serie A will now be easier for a Spaniard to handle than it used to be.

Besides, Villa seemed to do ok against Inter in the CL last season :devf:



Don't you think we should be aiming higher than this? I'm not asking or indeed expecting us to buy megastar after megastar, but there is definately room for improvement over those names.

There's buying players who won't rock the boat and are the easy option, like Emerson, Motta & Cannavaro. None of which will improve the squad a great deal. Then there's the alternative of buying younger & hungrier players who will offer us more in the long term, like Taiwo, Lucho Gonzalez, Pasqual, Huntelaar, etc. Players who will generally make a difference and won't just be stop gap solutions like the gradually increasing list of desperate transfers we've undertaken in the last few years. You also wouldn't call any of those players star names either, so there's definately a middle ground we should aim for in terms of calibre of player.

Fair point Jim.

With the amount of competitions we'll be vying for, sometimes I think we should have 5 strikers.

If I were in charge of transfers the first thing I would do this summer is renew Kaka's contract.

Then I would try to sign two of Zambrotta, Cannavaro, Barzagli, and Alex. In midfield I would go for someone who could come in for Ambrosini and who gives us more than Brocchi. Motta or Emerson fit the bill here.

Up front, if I would go for Eto'o, but would also be happy with Cassano/G.Rossi.

I hope that Milan sign at least 2 players this window in the positions mentioned. Otherwise, I think we'll be short when trying to achieve the "grand slam" Pirlo is talking about. Injuries, player form etc. can all play a part.

As for the Villa thing, I too, like Tony29, have reservations about Spanish players making it in Italy. However, Villa is a slightly different kind of player. You know personally I don't rate Spanish players. I think they're overrated, but Villa is a striker who makes very intelligent runs off the ball and is very alert in front of net. I would love that kind of player, and I would be anxious to see how it would work out.

GilAttack [11]
15-07-2007, 16:37
i don't think we need big stars to improve the first 11, what i'm missing is a good bench. like Jim_UK said in another thread, the problem is that our best players have to play much too many games and we as a club are too reliant on them.

we need a quality bench to rotate the most important positions so that the players don't get too tired. specially the fullback positions are essential to our game still all our fullbacks are over 30.

i think we need
a striker
a dm
at least one fullback (no matter what side, one for each would be better)

but that will not happen unfortunately.

But among the top european sides, I think theres no team that depends more upon one player than Milan. If Kaka goes down for an extended period of time, we are a slightly above average team. You look around, and teams like Real Madrid, Barcelona, Inter, Manchester Utd, Liverpool, etc cant suffer one injuty blow without suffering that much.

Stitch
15-07-2007, 16:51
good point GilAttack!

Hasan, you should not forget GK position. Ever since Buffon renewed his contract, we stopped talking about a new GK. Dida is VERY shaky IMO, and a few good interventions in CL finals made us all forget how unrelialable he can be (ManU 1st game, Bayern both goals)...

Arildonardo
15-07-2007, 17:06
']But among the top european sides, I think theres no team that depends more upon one player than Milan. If Kaka goes down for an extended period of time, we are a slightly above average team. You look around, and teams like Real Madrid, Barcelona, Inter, Manchester Utd, Liverpool, etc cant suffer one injuty blow without suffering that much.
That's because no other team has a player that is as good as Kaka, and the teams you mentioned are "slightly above average" compared to Milan... :p017:

zlatanov
15-07-2007, 17:07
']But among the top european sides, I think theres no team that depends more upon one player than Milan. If Kaka goes down for an extended period of time, we are a slightly above average team. You look around, and teams like Real Madrid, Barcelona, Inter, Manchester Utd, Liverpool, etc cant suffer one injuty blow without suffering that much.
I see your point and although I disgree about ManU and CR, Pool and Gerrard, Barca and Dinho/Messi, I think what he was saying was that we don't need big stars like Dinho, Etoo ... not that we shouldn't have a wide squad with good, quality players.

After all, we can't aford to have a player who is good enough to FULLY replace Kaka to be happy to sit on our bench and be second fiddle to the Brazilian and get to start only if Kaka is injured ... we can't have a Kaka #2 on the bench but a good, quality player (although not one of the superstardom status and price of Dinho, Etoo, etc) is what we can have to cover for Kaka ... and maybe we already have that player - Gourcuff (and Seedorf could cover in emergencies too).

That's because no other team has a player that is as good as Kaka, and the teams you mentioned are "slightly above average" compared to Milan... :p017:

also a fair point - Kaka is one of a kind and he is not a player whom one can replace by just going out on the market ... right now he is in a league of his own, so to speak, and offers characteristics that no other player has right now ... so, any team that has him would heavily feel his loss no matter how good the rest of the team is.

Nordahl
15-07-2007, 17:16
']If Inter signs Pato we are doomed

:grinser:

No one here is saying that kind of thing, that's not the point... nevertheless, do you really wanna see the guy joining Inter, and not us? Why Milan cannot sign a VERY promissing young footballer?

Nordahl
15-07-2007, 17:18
BTW: what's the problem in signing one or two big stars? Why not someone like Gaucho cannot play along Kaká?

Arildonardo
15-07-2007, 17:26
With all the mess going on with Chivu's transfer, I think Milan should hi-jack him from under Inter's nose. He would be a perfect addition to our squad.

zlatanov
15-07-2007, 17:31
BTW: what's the problem in signing one or two big stars? Why not someone like Gaucho cannot play along Kaká?
availability :bri:

Arildonardo
15-07-2007, 17:37
availability :bri:
Good point! :)

Giorgos
15-07-2007, 17:38
I am watching Brazil-Argentina 1-0 25' from 5' Zulio Baptista, Baptista is a player that i like very much from the time being in Sevilla but i don't understand why he can't play well in big clubs. Otherwise he would be a very good back up for Pirlo. Today he controls the whole midfield of Brazil.

Stitch
15-07-2007, 17:54
availability :bri:


many of the players that changed clubs so far this summer were obviously avaliable...


:devf:

Arildonardo
15-07-2007, 18:00
many of the players that changed clubs so far this summer were obviously avaliable...


:devf:
Almost everyone is available at "the right price"... Have there been any major really surprising moves until now this summer? If you ask me the big players that have changed clubs this summer was nothing else than expected.

GilAttack [11]
15-07-2007, 18:07
No one here is saying that kind of thing, that's not the point... nevertheless, do you really wanna see the guy joining Inter, and not us? Why Milan cannot sign a VERY promissing young footballer?

Obviously if given the chance, Id rather see him joining us. But its not like Im going to bash Milan's management if he joins Inter.

Regarding my previous point of us depending on Kaka's game, I think the only viable solution is upgrading Seedorf's position. But if you take Barcelona, Puyol goes down and they have Thurram and Milito. Eto'o goes down, they have Henry. Messi and Ronaldinho can rotate or replace each other.
I would like to have some more depth at Milan, I think we have been very lucky so far with injuries and getting the most from our starting eleven.

Tony29.
15-07-2007, 18:08
many of the players that changed clubs so far this summer were obviously avaliable...


:devf:
With the risk of being called the "evil jelaous Juventino" i'll say again how i think that Milan trio (Berlu-Carlo-Galliani) don't know what they want or better...they know what they want but all of them want different players and it looks to me that if Carlo+Galliani want a certain player but Berlu doesn't then Milan won't buy.
As much as it's a good thing all of them to give permission for a player to be bought, the veto Berlu can give is hurting more than it's helping. Carlo Ancelotti is a smart man with huge experience in football. If he wants someone and if that player is available for a reasonable price then Berlu mustn't interfere.

If i'm not wrong you "lost" Luca Toni because of Berlu. If the reports about a done deal with Toni are true, then obviously Carlo gave the green light for him.
Similar things happened with Ribery, i think

As for the others, Milan didn't really know if the want them or don't want them. They did make offers for Abidal and Tiago (i think there was another player, i don't remember who) but these players rejected Milan. It's really hard to reject Milan so i can only asume that Milan's offer wasn't serious enough and Milan didn't really, i mean really, 100%, want these players.

And eventhough we can't trust every report, they give a picture that Milan doesn't really know who do they want....We'll go for Eto'o or Dinho. If we can't get them we'll go for Sheva and if not we'll go for Cassano.
Or we want Emerson, but we don't want him because we'd like to give more chances to Gourcuff, but still we want Emerson. It's always good to have plan B and C but apart from Dinho i don't have a feeling that Milan is strongly after player X and they'll do everything to get player X.

Ghost
15-07-2007, 18:09
I am watching Brazil-Argentina 1-0 25' from 5' Zulio Baptista, Baptista is a player that i like very much from the time being in Sevilla but i don't understand why he can't play well in big clubs. Otherwise he would be a very good back up for Pirlo. Today he controls the whole midfield of Brazil.

He is the worst Brazillion I have ever seen when it comes to football.

Im not expecting much from this transfer market - I would be more happy if Kaka stayed with us and we didnt bring in another player rather than to loose Kaka because as Zlat explained Kaka is irreplaceable.

Stitch
15-07-2007, 18:26
Tony, with the risk of being called the "evil whiner rossonero" :ilol: I'll agree with most of your points.

Many of fellows MM members say that Bayern payed too much for Ribery, or Liverpool for Torres, or Madrid for Pepe, or ManU for Nani & Anderson blah blah blah...

Well, if everyone is overpaying, then we'll at some point have to do the same, since obviously there's no other way to bring a good player to Milan. Yes, we are the european champions, but it doesn't mean that players will play for free.

Our management is way too cautious. At some point, bringing proven but old 30+ veterans will obiti o glavu (help, I can't say that in english :D ). They'll have to start taking some risks. Somehow I think it won't be this summer.

Stitch
15-07-2007, 18:33
and WOW Alves is good...

Tony29.
15-07-2007, 18:43
will obiti o glavu (help, I can't say that in english :D ).
Loooooool....my brain stopped working and i also don't know how to translate this expression in English.....something like "it will return to us to hunt us" or " return as a boomerang"

Literally it means " it will brake in our heads" :grinser:

GilAttack [11]
15-07-2007, 20:45
Tony, with the risk of being called the "evil whiner rossonero" :ilol: I'll agree with most of your points.

Many of fellows MM members say that Bayern payed too much for Ribery, or Liverpool for Torres, or Madrid for Pepe, or ManU for Nani & Anderson blah blah blah...

Well, if everyone is overpaying, then we'll at some point have to do the same, since obviously there's no other way to bring a good player to Milan. Yes, we are the european champions, but it doesn't mean that players will play for free.

Our management is way too cautious. At some point, bringing proven but old 30+ veterans will obiti o glavu (help, I can't say that in english :D ). They'll have to start taking some risks. Somehow I think it won't be this summer.

You can reduce your post to one word: market :5ok:

Blacktop
15-07-2007, 21:02
Why not someone like Gaucho cannot play along Kaká?
Because only one ball's used in a match.

Sooner or later someone will start griping about not getting it enough.

zlatanov
15-07-2007, 21:04
']You can reduce your post to one word: market :5ok:
nice suggestion but I think I have a better one - "milking" :grinser:

Piscinin
15-07-2007, 21:26
First, I like to ask why is a Juventino doing in a Milan forum? Secondly, why is that Juventino easily the best poster of the forum?

I have been following this forum for awhile now and at the beginning, mistook the Juventino as a Milanista. But it has been while since and I just found out he/she (?) is a Juventino, and a very well-informed and knowledgeable person.

And I still find it hard to comprehend why a Milanista like mzk57 is nothing short of ludicrousness. It is simply an embarrassment, notwithstanding if it was just an epilogue performance for attention.

But of course I am not saying all Milanisti are like that nincompoop mzk57. There are good posters like Jim_UK and a few others around.

Tony29.
15-07-2007, 21:37
First, I like to ask why is a Juventino doing in a Milan forum? Secondly, why is that Juventino easily the best poster of the forum?

I have been following this forum for awhile now and at the beginning, mistook the Juventino as a Milanista. But it has been while since and I just found out he/she (?) is a Juventino, and a very well-informed and knowledgeable person.

And I still find it hard to comprehend why a Milanista like mzk57 is nothing short of ludicrousness. It is simply an embarrassment, notwithstanding if it was just an epilogue performance for attention.

But of course I am not saying all Milanisti are like that nincompoop mzk57. There are good posters like Jim_UK and a few others around.
Can a mod confirm that it's not me , under another username, who wrote this post. Even to me it looks like it was me who wrote the above post, praising myself :grinser:

Thanx for the kind words Piscinin.

On your first question..... a Milan or Inter forum without a Juventino is like serie A without Juve .....Boring :devf:
Lol, seriously, i came here to defend Juve during Calciopoli and i got stuck here ever since

Edit : btw, Piscinin, are you a blogger under this nickname and do you use this nickname in other (Italian) forums or you took this nick here only because of Baresi ?

zlatanov
15-07-2007, 22:46
First, I like to ask why is a Juventino doing in a Milan forum? Secondly, why is that Juventino easily the best poster of the forum?

I have been following this forum for awhile now and at the beginning, mistook the Juventino as a Milanista. But it has been while since and I just found out he/she (?) is a Juventino, and a very well-informed and knowledgeable person.

And I still find it hard to comprehend why a Milanista like mzk57 is nothing short of ludicrousness. It is simply an embarrassment, notwithstanding if it was just an epilogue performance for attention.

But of course I am not saying all Milanisti are like that nincompoop mzk57. There are good posters like Jim_UK and a few others around.
well, Tony is indeed one of the best posters around, IMO, and if a smart guy like him gets "stuck" at MM, then the forum (i.e. the posters) can't be that bad, right? ;)

regarding your post though - this is your first post and all you do is bash Milan fans and attack one of them in particular, yet you ask yourself how come a Juventino is one of the best posters around!!!!
Is it just me or the irony here is a bit too obvious than it probably should be.

Hasan Rossonero
15-07-2007, 23:53
Today's Gazzetta has a long interview with Galliani and the first 3 pages are pretty much dedicated to Milan.

Galliani confirms that Milan is working with 5 names:

Drogba, Eto'o, Pato, Ronaldinho, and Sheva. There is also a sixth, who Galliani will not name.

He ruled out a midfielder and said that the club will keep faith with Gourcuff.

Gazzetta seems to think that Drogba and Sheva are not likely arrivals. The former because Chelsea consider him an important player, the latter because Sheva is not really the first choice.

The player who will arrive will be non-EU, or become EU before August 31 (so Eto'o or Dinho in this case).

Gabriel489
16-07-2007, 00:15
Interesting news

zlatanov
16-07-2007, 00:17
thanks for the info Hasan :5ok:

btw, did Galliani himself mention those names or did he just say that the player would be non-Eu and then the journalists basically "guessed" the list of names based on that "clue"?
I would think it's the latter ;)

Fanous
16-07-2007, 00:25
Hello MilanMania. I've been following this forum almost daily for years now and I'm not sure why it has taken me this long to actually register. Since this is my first post and because I've sort of gotten to know a bit about all of you through your posts, I think I should introduce myself (please excuse the momentary drift off topic, I'm not exactly sure where to post this).

My name is Karim Fanous. I'm a filmmaker from Cairo, Egypt and I've been an avid Milan fan since I can remember (late 80s). One day, I hope to be able to capture the passion and elegance of this great sport on film - I don't think I've seen any films that have really managed to do that yet.

Anyway, I want to thank each and every one of the moderators and posters here for keeping it insightful and helpful, and hope to be able to contribute to the cause. There aren't a great deal of Milan fans here in Cairo (silly, really) so this forum has been a blessing.

Now, back on topic. This year has definitely been emotional. Despite the fair share of problems we faced at the beginning of the season, nobody can deny that we managed well and finished in style - proving once again that this squad is pure class! (My favorite moment was during the Milan v Man U CL 2nd Leg when Kaka was hyping Gattuso up as he was being subbed.. tears of joy, I tell you).

So, I'm not sure we necessarily need to make major changes and disrupt the unity that has been achieved through years of these players working together as a team. It is a bit unusual however that we haven't made any real moves yet - it leads me to believe that the management is up to something big.

Thanks again, people.

Gabriel489
16-07-2007, 00:55
Just been reading the HK news, since I am in HK and all.
Well, Barcelona is coming to town next month and the contract between Barcelona and HKFA or something like that states that Dinho and Eto will be coming to HK. So I guess if one of them are going to be Milan player, it will be one of those last day transfer deal that Milan is so good at.

Welcome Fanous.

Hasan Rossonero
16-07-2007, 01:17
thanks for the info Hasan :5ok:

btw, did Galliani himself mention those names or did he just say that the player would be non-Eu and then the journalists basically "guessed" the list of names based on that "clue"?
I would think it's the latter ;)
No problem.

The journalist listed the names (Shevchenko, Drogba, Pato, Ronaldinho, Eto'o), and Galliani said, yes, these are the names we're working on.

The five names appear in quotes in the article heading:
"Shevchenko, Drogba, Pato, Ronaldinho, Eto'o. Da noi una di questi. C'e anche un sesto ma non lo dico".

The interview was promoted as a response to Gazzetta's question from yesterday's paper: "Milan, is anybody there".

martin
16-07-2007, 01:41
Hello MilanMania. I've been following this forum almost daily for years now and I'm not sure why it has taken me this long to actually register. Since this is my first post and because I've sort of gotten to know a bit about all of you through your posts, I think I should introduce myself (please excuse the momentary drift off topic, I'm not exactly sure where to post this).

My name is Karim Fanous. I'm a filmmaker from Cairo, Egypt and I've been an avid Milan fan since I can remember (late 80s). One day, I hope to be able to capture the passion and elegance of this great sport on film - I don't think I've seen any films that have really managed to do that yet.

Anyway, I want to thank each and every one of the moderators and posters here for keeping it insightful and helpful, and hope to be able to contribute to the cause. There aren't a great deal of Milan fans here in Cairo (silly, really) so this forum has been a blessing.

Now, back on topic. This year has definitely been emotional. Despite the fair share of problems we faced at the beginning of the season, nobody can deny that we managed well and finished in style - proving once again that this squad is pure class! (My favorite moment was during the Milan v Man U CL 2nd Leg when Kaka was hyping Gattuso up as he was being subbed.. tears of joy, I tell you).

So, I'm not sure we necessarily need to make major changes and disrupt the unity that has been achieved through years of these players working together as a team. It is a bit unusual however that we haven't made any real moves yet - it leads me to believe that the management is up to something big.

Thanks again, people.

Welcome to MM. well said, deffinetely agree with your comments. We seem to have this amazing chemistry and magic between the players, but one wonders how long it will last. Frankly, i think that if we keep this squad next yr we will have a tough time. milan needs 2 new strikers, 2 middlefielders and 2 defenders to renew its squad, but we all know that is not happening. i am hoping we see a new face in each position, and i certainly am not counting the mystical ibrahim ba.

hitmannq8
16-07-2007, 03:23
Sigh, why is there no Cassano on that list?

Eto'o wouldn't come. Dinho I doubt after Berlusconi's recent comments. Drogba? Nah, he's happy where he is..even though he wants Milan I dont think Milan are that crazy about him. Pato? Maybe but he wouldn't do anything only until a few seasons IMO. Sheva? possibly..

Cassano would be the most ideal purchase. In terms of financial, talent and his playing abilities, no one comes close. His head is where the prob is, but is it really that big of a problem that we cannot handle at Milan with our experienced players?

Adriano is a tricky one. I think he is the player that Ancelotti was talking about when he said it would cause chaos if we knew who wants a move to Milan. But he seems to be settle at Inter, for now at least. Ibrahimovic came out dissing Inter at the beginning of the summer and things cooled up since then. Couple of days ago he was talkin bout Milan, I wouldn't rule him out just yet.

and oh yeah, i read a report sayin Real have putten Cannavaro on the transfer list.. Cannavaro-Nesta would indeed give me an orgasm.. i hope the management consider this!

Who else is out there?

Graeme C
16-07-2007, 05:16
cannavaro is a very short term solution, if we did sign him we would still need another option to LB/RB unless they think serghino and jank are fine..

NAMMY
16-07-2007, 05:17
Welcome Fanous, good points.

Ghost
16-07-2007, 06:09
Why does Seria A have to be soo different compared to the other leagues when it comes to non-eu players?

Giovanni
16-07-2007, 06:14
Hello MilanMania. I've been following this forum almost daily for years now and I'm not sure why it has taken me this long to actually register. Since this is my first post and because I've sort of gotten to know a bit about all of you through your posts, I think I should introduce myself (please excuse the momentary drift off topic, I'm not exactly sure where to post this).

My name is Karim Fanous. I'm a filmmaker from Cairo, Egypt and I've been an avid Milan fan since I can remember (late 80s). One day, I hope to be able to capture the passion and elegance of this great sport on film - I don't think I've seen any films that have really managed to do that yet.



Hi mate. Why don't you start a discussion on movies in general and especially why football movies have often been a flop, and never managed to capture the sport spirit?

I would suggest you to have a look on some '80 italian comedy movies about football: they are parodies of the world of football, and among the italian crowd they are already cult movies. I think they catch, in a funny way, the hilarious face of old italian football: a player having sex with the president's wife, president going for a journey in Brazil hoping to find the new Zico but signing a donkey, coaches that have no clue how to make a team field decently, players that try to skip in every way the trainings, a team called Longobarda that tries in every way to avoid relegation.

The best of them is "L'allenatore nel pallone".
I don't want to spoil all the fun, if you manage to take a look to this material. You can enjoy them even if you don't get the dialogues: the plot is pretty simple to be followed.

Rico
16-07-2007, 06:19
Oliveira has been loaned out to Zaragoza.

Question is who will replace him? My intuition tells me Galliani has presigned someone big who will arrive but simply hasn't been introduced yet.

Giovanni
16-07-2007, 06:39
Oliveira has been loaned out to Zaragoza.

Question is who will replace him? My intuition tells me Galliani has presigned someone big who will arrive but simply hasn't been introduced yet.

I agree. Big teams never sell a player if they are almost centain to have an as good replacement.

Stezagud
16-07-2007, 06:56
I agree. Big teams never sell a player if they are almost centain to have an as good replacement.

An 'as good' replacement for Oliviera? I hope we aim a little higher than that :D

I do agree though, they must be pretty confident of securing a player now. There may be plenty of time before the transfer window closes but there is more to consider than that when bringing players in. If as Hasan's article was suggesting the incoming player is non-EU then its a safe assumption he'd need time to get used to Italy both on the field and off it.

Hasan Rossonero
16-07-2007, 08:08
WE'RE LOOKING FOR A GREAT NAME
7/16/2007 12:38:00 PM
Milan administrator Adriano Galliani revealed the players which are being targeted by the club in this transfer campaign. Five big names and a possible surprise, Milan are working in the shadows.

Some people may be asking themselves: "Are Milan a part of this transfer campaign?" The answer of vice-president Adriano Galliani came on the columns of today's edition of daily sports paper "La Gazzetta dello Sport": "The excellent subscription campaign shows the fans have trust in us. We want to win during the spring and not in the summer. The team is already very strong, but it's true we want to buy another great player.

Eto’o, Ronaldinho, Drogba, Shevchenko, and Pato: "I cannot mention the names of the candidates for respect to their clubs, but let's proceed in order. As far as Shevchenko is concerned, I don't feel like making a lower offer to Chelsea. If they want to sell him they will tell us and the same goes for Drogba, who at the moment is not on sale. Ronaldinho and Eto'o are still waiting to become European citizens, while Pato is a champion in the making, but to us is worth as much as the other four."

The sixth option: "Yes, there is a sixth player we are interested in. He does not have European citizenship, but I will not say who it is even under torture. But he's a remote option. If someone comes, it will be a non-EU citizen. Or anyway someone who has this status at the moment and will perhaps be a EU citizen by 31 August."

In attack we are well covered: "We have four strikers: in alphabetical order Gilardino, Inzaghi, Kaká, and Ronaldo. On Pippo I would like to say this: I'm happy for him because he lives for football. He does not go out at night after a certain day, he cares about eating well. He's a baby, not 33 years old: he will keep playing a long time."

Oliveira? Disappointment, failure, or a lost bet?: "I would not be so negative. Four Spanish teams have requested him: that means his qualities are not in discussion. We loaned him to Zaragoza because he will be able to show what he's worth there. In a year we will see."

Gourcuff's renewal: "It was a strategic choice, a demonstration of faith. I understand the psychology of certain players and I've had the impression that Gourcuff thinks he's not part of the French national team yet because he doesn't play enough with Milan. With Ancelotti we have decided not to buy any midfielders and count on him. In our plans Gourcuff could also play in the role of Gattuso and Ambrosini."

The Kaká saga: "We are not buying him again: we are adjusting his contract to the new reality. In 2003 Kaká was the third number 10 of Milan after Rivaldo and Rui Costa. After that his growth was exponential. I have not talked to him, but I am completely calm and I have fixed an appointment with his father for the days following the reunion of the team: the contract will be prolonged and improved. Kaká is happy, he's playing in the most title-winning club in the world. He and all the Milan players know that their annual salary is based on their performances and their role within the squad."

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acmilan.com (note: this version of the interview is slightly different than the one in gazzetta. This is more of a summary. In the Italian version below, Galliani is actually asked the five names, and he responds with something like "yes, we're working on these").



This is the full version that I read in the Gazzetta newspaper: http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/SerieA/Squadre/Milan/Primo_Piano/2007/07_Luglio/16/galliani.shtml

ThrusT
16-07-2007, 08:25
WE'RE LOOKING FOR A GREAT NAME
7/16/2007 12:38:00 PM
Milan are working in the shadows.

we want to buy another great player.

Eto’o, Ronaldinho, Drogba, Shevchenko, and Pato

The sixth option: Yes, there is a sixth player we are interested in. He does not have European citizenship.

If someone comes, it will be a non-EU citizen. Or anyway someone who has this status at the moment and will perhaps be a EU citizen by 31 August.

In our plans Gourcuff could also play in the role of Gattuso and Ambrosini.



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acmilan.com



This is the full version that I read in the Gazzetta newspaper: http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/SerieA/Squadre/Milan/Primo_Piano/2007/07_Luglio/16/galliani.shtml

Now this I like. :grinser:

Giorgos
16-07-2007, 08:27
well, Tony is indeed one of the best posters around, IMO, and if a smart guy like him gets "stuck" at MM, then the forum (i.e. the posters) can't be that bad, right? ;)

regarding your post though - this is your first post and all you do is bash Milan fans and attack one of them in particular, yet you ask yourself how come a Juventino is one of the best posters around!!!!
Is it just me or the irony here is a bit too obvious than it probably should be.

I don't think that the most of people here doubt that Tony, if he isn't the best member here, he is one of the best.....

Jim_UK
16-07-2007, 08:29
while Pato is a champion in the making, but to us is worth as much as the other four."


That is surely the strongest indication that we will do all we can to sign Pato. You don't say things like that and then give up on his transfer.


In attack we are well covered: "We have four strikers: in alphabetical order Gilardino, Inzaghi, Kaká, and Ronaldo.


4 strikers makes us well covered? Does he forget that 3 of these will all play at once leaving us with just 1 striker (probably Inzaghi) as a sub? But i guess Seedorf, Serginho & Ba will be fine replacements :wallbang:


In our plans Gourcuff could also play in the role of Gattuso and Ambrosini."


hahahahaha :delol: He's kidding right? Gourcuff is tough, but there's no way he can do the defensive job Ambrosini does and if he can't do that ... there's no hope he can cover as much ground as Gattuso. If he genuinely thinks this then it's time for a new head of transfers.

Hasan Rossonero
16-07-2007, 08:30
This version in English is a slightly more accurate translation (channel 4):

Galliani on the offensive
Monday 16 July, 2007
Milan Vice-President Adriano Galliani has declared that there will be a big-name striker arriving at the San Siro this summer.

The Rossoneri have yet to make a splash in the market, while rivals Inter and Juventus have already struck important deals, but Galliani has confirmed that his club is chasing several big names.

“I would say that our attacking department is fine just as it is, with Alberto Gilardino, Kaka, Ronaldo and Filippo Inzaghi,” said the official.

“It is true, however, that we are chasing another great champion, but I prefer not to reveal any names out of respect for the players’ clubs.”

Strangely, Galliani then confirmed that Didier Drogba, Samuel Eto’o, Alexander Pato, Ronaldinho and Andriy Shevchenko are all on Milan’s wish list.

“Yes, those five names are correct, although there is a sixth one, which I will not tell you even under torture,” he joked. “In any case, the new signing will be a non-EU player.”

Galliani was then asked to comment on Ricardo Oliveira, one of the biggest flops last season, who will join Real Zaragoza on loan.

“I wouldn’t be that negative about the player, he was requested by four different Spanish clubs and that means that his true value is not under discussion.

“We loaned him out in order for him to prove what he can really do – next year we will see,” concluded Galliani.

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:ilol:

Is it me or does it seem like the interviewer got Galliani drunk as the interview went on? He becomes more and more revealing.

Hasan Rossonero
16-07-2007, 08:32
That is surely the strongest indication that we will do all we can to sign Pato. You don't say things like that and then give up on his transfer.



4 strikers makes us well covered? Does he forget that 3 of these will all play at once leaving us with just 1 striker (probably Inzaghi) as a sub? But i guess Seedorf, Serginho & Ba will be fine replacements :wallbang:



hahahahaha :delol: He's kidding right? Gourcuff is tough, but there's no way he can do the defensive job Ambrosini does and if he can't do that ... there's no hope he can cover as much ground as Gattuso. If he genuinely thinks this then it's time for a new head of transfers.
I think Galliani says that stuff out of respect for the players still at Milan. There is not much more to that.

zlatanov
16-07-2007, 08:51
........

:ilol:

Is it me or does it seem like the interviewer got Galliani drunk as the interview went on? He becomes more and more revealing.
I don't think it's just you ... this was in the gazzetta article you posted above:
... E’ quasi ora di pranzo, ma Galliani dribbla l’aperitivo alcolico ...

Me thinks Galliani got out-dribbled by that aperative :grinser:

Tony29.
16-07-2007, 09:49
Me thinks Galliani got out-dribbled by that aperative :grinser:
Loooool.... he was drunk alright :)

P.S : Is there a spell-checking option now ? I have some words underlined with red.

Fanous
16-07-2007, 09:50
Thanks for the info Giovanni. I'll def check them out.

Jim_UK
16-07-2007, 10:28
Giuly might be worth looking at, he's a quality player and would only be 5 million (euros i believe).

Jim's Milan Budget bargain list:

Amelia - 5 million
Taiwo/Pasqual - 5-8
Cannavaro - 5-8
Zambrotta - 5-10
Giuly - 5
Cassano - 5
Pato - *cough* 20 *cough* :D

Tony29.
16-07-2007, 10:29
I'm reading an article in Corriere dello sport about Milan-Pato-Drogba.
Here's the article in Italian (for those who read Italian)
l Milan accelera su Pato
MILANO - Derby Milan-Inter per Pato. Ieri Roberto Man*cini è uscito allo scoperto, manifestando grande interesse per il giovane fuoriclasse brasiliano. Ma il club di Via Tu*rati si sente in vantaggio su questo fronte perché ha inten*sificato la sua azione sul suo importante obiettivo di mer*cato. Ma di ufficiale non c’è ancora nulla.
E il prepotente inserimento dell’Inter, che si affianca a quelli già acclarati di Chelsea e Real Madrid, viene interpreta*to come un segnale da non sottovalutare.
Per questo motivo il Milan potrebbe im*primere una brusca e decisiva accelera*ta sulla strada che conduce a Pato, che verrebbe precettato già per il prossimo gennaio, alla prima scadenza utile per fargli vestire la maglia rossonera.
ASTA - Questa mossa metterebbe al si*curo il Milan da qualsiasi altra insidia. Ri*spetto a Inter, Chelsea e Real Madrid, la società di via Turati è l’unica che ha real*mente intenzione di ingaggiare Pato già il prossimo gennaio, considerato il fatto che per motivi di età non sembra possibile farlo già entro il prossimo agosto. Il neo*dirigente milanista Leonardo ha lavorato molto bene, as*sicurandosi la fiducia del giovane Alexandre e della sua fa*miglia. Il procuratore Gilmar Veloz ha concluso proprio a Londra il suo lungo tour europeo (prima si era fermato a Madrid e Milano) per completare il suo giro d’orizzonte.
Sicuramente per assicurarsi Pato non sarà sufficiente onorare la clausola (circa 15 milioni di euro) perchè gli equilibri sono stati rotti dalla bagarre scatenatasi fra le quattro superpotenze che vogliono Pato a tutti i costi. Il Mi*lan, come detto, si sente in vantaggio perché nell’ultimo periodo ha stretto d’assedio l’Internacional di Porto Alegre (la squadra dove gioca Pato), la famiglia del giovane cam*pione e il procuratore. Che ha fissato il prossimo appunta*mento per discutere ancora più nei dettagli la situazione nei prossimi giorni quando si riunirà con Pato e i suoi ge*nitori.
PROMESSA - Intanto l’a.d. Galliani ha ribadito ancora una volta l’unica precisa volontà del Milan. «Sicuramente fa*remo un grande acquisto, compreremo un grande attac*cante » ha detto confidandosi ai microfo*ni di 7GoldTv che l’ha intercettato a For*te dei Marmi. In realtà Pato è ancora una promessa. Importante, sicuramente con*creta, ma ancora tutta da verificare. Il problema del Milan, che vuole sbaraglia*re la concorrenza, è quello di lasciare li*bero il posto di extra-comunitario per in*serire Pato già a gennaio.
Ronaldinho, Eto’ e Shevchenko hanno, fra i tanti, un problema impossibile da ri*solvere: sono tutti extra-comunitari. Di*dier Drogba, invece, attaccante del Chel*sea ha doppio passaporto, ivoriano e fran*cese. Potrebbe essere lui il grande attac*cante che il Milan cerca. Non intralcereb*be l’ingaggio di Pato e potrebbe essere di grande conforto alla squadra di Ancelot*ti nella prima parte della stagione.
Drogba si libererebbe (molto volentieri da quanto si co*nosce per i continui segnali che l’attaccante manda al club di via Turati) se il Chelsea ingaggiasse, come potrebbe tranquillamente accadere, il camerunese Eto’o che inizia a sentirsi di troppo al Barcellona. Gli eventuali dubbi sul*l’ingaggio immediato o comunque sicuro di Pato potrebbe*ro essere attenuati dall’arrivo di Drogba. Il Milan non vuo*le mollare la presa sul giovane brasiliano. Ma un eventua*le posticipo alla prossima stagione dell’ingaggio del cam*pioncino dell’Internacional di Porto Alegre non dovrà tro*vare il Milan impreparato.
Gennaio è considerato la prima scadenza utile per mettere sotto contratto il gioiellino, che compirà i 18 anni il 2 settembre Intanto si fa più concreta l’ipotesi Drogba (che è comunitario) sempre più restio a restare al Chelsea (che è interessato ad Eto’o)

In short, Inter through Mancini has shown their interest in Pato, but with all due respect to Inter, Real or Chelsea, it's Milan who have the strongest chance by far to get Pato. Leonardo has done a brilliant job convincing both Pato and his family that Milan is the only good choice for him.
Pato's agent was in Milano and London to discuss an eventual transfer and Milan is still leading the race for the young Brazilian, mostly because of what's writen above and also because of the great relationship Milan has with his club (Internazional).
The problem with Pato ( who according to the author of the article is already blocked and will surely join Milan) is his age (smthg that can be solved if his family come with him to Milano) but also his NON-EU status.
If Pato comes to Milan in January then no other non-EU player can be bought (which puts Sheva,Eto'o and Dinho out of the picture).
But that's why Drogba becomes interesting. Drogba has an Ivorian passport but he also has a French passport. Drogba would gladly leave London for Milan if Chelsea alows him to do so, especially if Barcelona lets Eto'o leave (Chelsea is very much interested in Eto'o).

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But Galliani said the new attacker will be non-EU so i don't know how these hypothesis of the Corriere dello sport author are realistic !

kris
16-07-2007, 10:40
We seems to be waiting for Ronaldinho to get his european passport.

Mystik
16-07-2007, 10:50
hahahahaha He's kidding right? Gourcuff is tough, but there's no way he can do the defensive job Ambrosini does and if he can't do that ... there's no hope he can cover as much ground as Gattuso. If he genuinely thinks this then it's time for a new head of transfers.

I think he means that when we played Pirlo-Gattuso-Ambro(in the CL) that Gourcuff could play in either Gattuso's or Ambro's position if needs be. Think of it like how we played our 4-3-1-2 with 1 actual DM(Gattuso) instead of 2(Gattuso + Ambro).

drucurl
16-07-2007, 11:01
:wth: WTF!!!!!! :mad: Kaka is not a striker.....Ancelotti played him in that role because we had NO GOOD STRIKERS WITH INZAGHI injured....now he is content to call one of the best CAM's in the world a striker??? This means that Ancelotti would now have to convert someone who isn't a CAM into one...... Favagol perhaps? :zany:
I can't believe that's what he said :v46:

prifess
16-07-2007, 11:07
hasnt dinhio got already his EU pasport? last season 2006-20007

Tony29.
16-07-2007, 11:12
I don't know how to explain Dinho's situation. I remember reading somewhere around New Year, and most of you do, how he's not a foreigner anymore in Barcelona but now we read he doesn't have an EU passport.
I guess he only got the right not to be counted as a Non-Eu in Spain ( i know South Americans get such right in Spain after some period of time, 2-3 years or so) but he didn't get an EU passport.
Zlat and Hasan can explain this to you prifess.

zlatanov
16-07-2007, 11:17
Thanks for the info Giovanni. I'll def check them out.
welcome to MM, Fanous. Hope you enjoy it here :)

Loooool.... he was drunk alright :)

P.S : Is there a spell-checking option now ? I have some words underlined with red.
I guess you just got yourself Firefox 2.0+ - yeah, it comes with a spell-checker ... a handy feature, obviously :D

Giuly might be worth looking at, he's a quality player and would only be 5 million (euros i believe).

Jim's Milan Budget bargain list:

Amelia - 5 million
Taiwo/Pasqual - 5-8
Cannavaro - 5-8
Zambrotta - 5-10
Giuly - 5
Cassano - 5
Pato - *cough* 20 *cough* :D
and Galliani, while dribbling his alcohol aperative, says:
"Thanks for the heads up Jim ... *cough*as if I care*cough*"
:D


But Galliani said the new attacker will be non-EU so i don't know how these hypothesis of the Corriere dello sport author are realistic !
Galliani also said that the player Milan would be getting could be a non-EU player RIGHT now but that situation could change by August 31st, which is the case with Dinho and Etoo.

And Galliani was adamant about the new player being extracommunitario, which Drogba obviously isn't because he does have a Franch passport indeed.

zlatanov
16-07-2007, 11:22
I guess he only got the right not to be counted as a Non-Eu in Spain ( i know South Americans get such right in Spain after some period of time, 2-3 years or so) but he didn't get an EU passport.
Zlat and Hasan can explain this to you prifess.
I think that's what it is - Dinho is not counted as a foreigner in Spain anymore as he is now a "legal permanent resident" (I think) but he still hasn't received his Spanish passport so if he moves to Italy RIGH NOW, he would be considered a non-EU player.
by 31st of August things could change though, as Galliani suggested.

Hasan Rossonero
16-07-2007, 11:35
I think that's what it is - Dinho is not counted as a foreigner in Spain anymore as he is now a "legal permanent resident" (I think) but he still hasn't received his Spanish passport so if he moves to Italy RIGH NOW, he would be considered a non-EU player.
by 31st of August things could change though, as Galliani suggested.

This is my understanding too.

Ghost
16-07-2007, 11:37
Its interesting reading what Galliani had to say on the transfer matter - A non EU player which pretty much cancels out alot of players we have mentioned before.

GilAttack [11]
16-07-2007, 11:38
Im reading Diario Marca, from Spain, and one recent article says that Barcelona wants Gio Dos Santos (mexican, probably you watched him playing in the U-20 World Cup) to get his EU passport or else play for some other team (loan). And the article says that Barcelona is also waiting for Ronaldinho and Eto'o to get theirs, so they are still considered non EU players.
Dont know why, but says that Eto'o and Ronaldinho situation is more complicated towards getting their EU passports compared to Gio.

Graeme C
16-07-2007, 11:47
Chiellini might be available, pool are apparently offering £5mill where Juve want £7. He is the youthful leftback that i was kinda hoping for, well either him or Pasqual

Tony75
16-07-2007, 12:04
Chiellini would be a good signing. Can cover CD & LD, but would juve sell to us, and why are they sellling??

Mystik
16-07-2007, 12:09
I don't see why Juve would sell Chiellini..he's one of the best upcoming LB's from Italy.

Gabriel489
16-07-2007, 12:14
Tony, how do u read the situation with Chellini, I thought he is the next big thing. IS there any truth in Juve wanting to sell him.

Also, what do you think of the relationship between Juve and Milan?

As for Gourcuff, I think he is the perfect example of what role Pato will play if he leaves Brazil in the next two years.

Jim_UK
16-07-2007, 12:16
Who is better, Pasqual or Chiellini?

Warro Bantan
16-07-2007, 12:20
i planning on comin to jamaica soon.. if i do i'll PM you Yes mi boss!! Link me via PM if you do indeed come.

Welcome Fanos and Piscinin :5ok:

Dru...why is it that you get your cough*draws*cough in bunch so easily?

Kaka has played as a second striker, and is considered as such, depending on the formation (actually its really all in the name, because Berlu insists that we play with two, so Carlo "made" Kaka play behind a lone striker, with Seedorf supporting both as a traditional "10"...or CAM....alternatively, you could consider him a second #10, in tandem with Seedorf, in support of a lone striker...whatever floats your boat. :p155:

The fact is, we are making moves to reinforce the team, and a "striker" or "support striker/#10" will be bought....of all those on the list, the only player on the "list" that could apply for the latter definition, is Ronaldinho, who, coincidentally, also gets his EU passport on Aug 31.

If we wait until then to sign him, then we can sign Pato, which I think is also on the cards.

I think Management have learned from the Kaka example, and are going after youth (in Pato´s case) rather than paying huge sums for established players/stars.

So for me, in the attacking department, it looks strongly like Ronaldinho and Pato.

We may go for a DM, and a R or L Back...but I am not so worried about the choices or lack thereof that are available....I trust our management to shop wisely.

Piscinin
16-07-2007, 12:34
Can a mod confirm that it's not me , under another username, who wrote this post. Even to me it looks like it was me who wrote the above post, praising myself :grinser:

Thanx for the kind words Piscinin.

On your first question..... a Milan or Inter forum without a Juventino is like serie A without Juve .....Boring :devf:
Lol, seriously, i came here to defend Juve during Calciopoli and i got stuck here ever since

Edit : btw, Piscinin, are you a blogger under this nickname and do you use this nickname in other (Italian) forums or you took this nick here only because of Baresi ?
You are welcome Juventino. I am never against rival fans registering in a Milan-oriented forum, don't take me wrong. Just that I was curious why a rival fan seems more in-tuned with the ongoings of this club than many of the Milanisti here. At some stage, I assumed you were a Milanista simply because of that.

Take for instance the discussion on Capello vs Sacchi. You made many pointers that even some Milanisti do not know.

I appreciate your approach to the forum, as many rival fans join just to insult and later after getting their asses smacked by our old crippled veterans, they still continue their nonsense, not realizing that with each insult on us, they indirectly are mocking their very own team.

As to your question, I do use this nickname in other forums, but I am not naming names. Is it because of Baresi? Definitely.

So now my question to you. Have you come across someone with the same nickname?

well, Tony is indeed one of the best posters around, IMO, and if a smart guy like him gets "stuck" at MM, then the forum (i.e. the posters) can't be that bad, right? ;)

regarding your post though - this is your first post and all you do is bash Milan fans and attack one of them in particular, yet you ask yourself how come a Juventino is one of the best posters around!!!!
Is it just me or the irony here is a bit too obvious than it probably should be.
Well, if you analyze my post, I never bash Milan fans bar one. So your conclusion of me doing so is a touch off-key.

As for my attack on mzk57, it is open towards that of differing opinions. Is it an attack? Yes, no doubt about it, as I clearly stated him. Is it an unfounded aggression on my part? Definitely not. His effort to post in a different font and colour from the default clearly indicates his desire for attention. Are his comments a tad on the mentally incompetent side of things? I would say so, but it doesn't naturally means it is a definite conjecture.

Finally, I think we should end this off-topic discussion. Clearly, this is not the right place for it. Until the time comes as such, perhaps it would be wise to draw the curtains down.

Tony29.
16-07-2007, 12:45
Tony, how do u read the situation with Chellini, I thought he is the next big thing. IS there any truth in Juve wanting to sell him.

Also, what do you think of the relationship between Juve and Milan?

As for Gourcuff, I think he is the perfect example of what role Pato will play if he leaves Brazil in the next two years.
It's the first time i hear about Chiellini, i'll have to check. Chiellini , together with some youngster taken from Siena, Molinaro, are the only left backs Juve has. Chiellini is pure class eventhough he's not even 23 yet. Captain and best player of the u-21 team in the last Euro. As good in LB as in CD.
And it has been said many times that Juve doesn't want to sell anyone anymore this summer, least of all Chiellini.

I will check and inform you !

Edit : The latest thing about Chiellini is this on calciomercato, from 15 minutes ago. He says he wants to be treated like one of the stars.
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=23&a=48818

Where did you hear about Juve asking 7m pounds for him ? I guess he wants better contract and it's a game going on between his agent and Juve

drucurl
16-07-2007, 13:04
Yes mi boss!! Link me via PM if you do indeed come.

Welcome Fanos and Piscinin :5ok:

Dru...why is it that you get your cough*draws*cough in bunch so easily?

Kaka has played as a second striker, and is considered as such, depending on the formation (actually its really all in the name, because Berlu insists that we play with two, so Carlo "made" Kaka play behind a lone striker, with Seedorf supporting both as a traditional "10"...or CAM....alternatively, you could consider him a second #10, in tandem with Seedorf, in support of a lone striker...whatever floats your boat. :p155:

The fact is, we are making moves to reinforce the team, and a "striker" or "support striker/#10" will be bought....of all those on the list, the only player on the "list" that could apply for the latter definition, is Ronaldinho, who, coincidentally, also gets his EU passport on Aug 31.

If we wait until then to sign him, then we can sign Pato, which I think is also on the cards.

I think Management have learned from the Kaka example, and are going after youth (in Pato´s case) rather than paying huge sums for established players/stars.
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I dunno Warro I guess they must be too tight :D
Seriously I got mad because I thought he was trying to fool the lesser football-educated fans.....Kaka scores lots of goals so it's natural to think of him as striker he certainly is a good striker of the ball...but not a striker per se. I KNOW Ancelotti converted him to a support striker...Kaka himself even alluded to that fact in an interview....but his natural position is CAM and a jack of all trades is rarely a master of any one :5ok:

Graeme C
16-07-2007, 13:11
It's the first time i hear about Chiellini, i'll have to check. Chiellini , together with some youngster taken from Siena, Molinaro, are the only left backs Juve has. Chiellini is pure class eventhough he's not even 23 yet. Captain and best player of the u-21 team in the last Euro. As good in LB as in CD.
And it has been said many times that Juve doesn't want to sell anyone anymore this summer, least of all Chiellini.

I will check and inform you !

Edit : The latest thing about Chiellini is this on calciomercato, from 15 minutes ago. He says he wants to be treated like one of the stars.
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=23&a=48818

Where did you hear about Juve asking 7m pounds for him ? I guess he wants better contract and it's a game going on between his agent and Juve

Here mate! :)


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Pool eye Chiellini swoop Monday 16 July, 2007 Channel 4 source

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Juventus defender Giorgio Chiellini could be on his way to Liverpool after stating that the Bianconeri have neglected him.

The former Italy Under-21 captain claims that he is worried about his future in Serie A and is waiting for club officials to clarify their plans.

“No one has called me or tried to contact me,” he revealed. “They have focused on renewing the contracts of the important players and this is logical.

“However, they haven’t considered the players who gave their all to bring the team back to the First Division. I believe I might risk playing only 30 per cent of next year’s matches and I cannot agree to this.

“I have plenty of opportunities, but I only hope someone will call me to explain what the plan is. Unfortunately no one has done this so far.”

Reports in Italy suggest that Liverpool have offered £5m for the defender, although it is understood that the Old Lady value him at £7m.

The Premiership club are focusing on Chiellini after the deal to bring Manchester United left-back Gabriel Heinze – a former Juventus target – to Anfield stalled.

Tony29.
16-07-2007, 13:20
Who is better, Pasqual or Chiellini?
Eventhough they both play LB's they are very different.
Pasqual is a LB but looks the same, maybe even better as a ML. Something like Jankulovski. He looks very good when going forward and his passes are almost perfect. ( he was top assist man in 2005/06). Defensively he's ok, but not class.
Reminds me of Zambrotta when he played RM , only that Pasqual is better than Zambro was in that position but is not as good as Zambro in defending.
Actually, Dany Alves is the one who is perfect for comparisson in this case.

Chiellini is very much different. He's very young, can run a lot and he has a lot of strenght now. That's why he can play LB. But his physical constitution is more suited for a central defender. He's very tall and he can't be as dangerous when going forward like Cafu, Pasqual or Alves.
Chiellini is something like Thuram or Maldini. Can play as a LB and can be really good at it, but as time's passing and he's losing the speed, he will certanly be transfered in center of defence, where he will be a rock.

So now my question to you. Have you come across someone with the same nickname?
Yes i did and i think i saw this nickname when i was reading comments in different blogs. But i don't visit the sites very often. I used to write "AC Milan forum/blog" on google and then i was reading comments of Milan fans (that's how i found MM :) )
I think i saw this nickname mostly in some Italian Milan fan forums/blogs.

Warro Bantan
16-07-2007, 13:27
I dunno Warro I guess they must be too tight :D
:5ok: I recommend boxer briefs, or boxers, depending on what activities you plan to participate in...oh, and buying the correct size is essential :D

Gald we both see eye to eye on the whole Kaka thing...even if I understand why Galliani made that statement, including him as a "striker" when in truth, he really isnt a striker at all.

Though, with 10 goals in the UCL, its hard not to think of him in that way sometimes.... :respect:

Jim_UK
16-07-2007, 14:16
Eventhough they both play LB's they are very different.
Pasqual is a LB but looks the same, maybe even better as a ML. Something like Jankulovski. He looks very good when going forward and his passes are almost perfect. ( he was top assist man in 2005/06). Defensively he's ok, but not class.
Reminds me of Zambrotta when he played RM , only that Pasqual is better than Zambro was in that position but is not as good as Zambro in defending.
Actually, Dany Alves is the one who is perfect for comparisson in this case.

Chiellini is very much different. He's very young, can run a lot and he has a lot of strenght now. That's why he can play LB. But his physical constitution is more suited for a central defender. He's very tall and he can't be as dangerous when going forward like Cafu, Pasqual or Alves.
Chiellini is something like Thuram or Maldini. Can play as a LB and can be really good at it, but as time's passing and he's losing the speed, he will certanly be transfered in center of defence, where he will be a rock.



Taiwo is better than both of them :D

Giorgos
16-07-2007, 14:25
Taiwo is better than both of them :D

You mean the one who plays in Premiership? :5ok:

Jim_UK
16-07-2007, 14:38
You mean the one who plays in Premiership? :5ok:


eh? He's the left-back for Marseille :confused:

Giorgos
16-07-2007, 14:48
eh? He's the left-back for Marseille :confused:

He didn't play in the past for Tottehnam :5ok: .

Hasan Rossonero
16-07-2007, 15:03
Calcio: Milan, Galliani 'stoppa' Cassano
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MILANO - Il Milan non ingaggera' Antonio Cassano. Lo ha annunciato l'amminstratore delegato rossonero Adriano Galliani: "Abbiamo fatto tutta una serie di valutazioni e abbiamo deciso di soprassedere" ha detto il dirigente al microfono di Sky. (Agr)

gazzetta.it

Warro Bantan
16-07-2007, 15:15
So Hasan, can I deduce from this (alta vista babel fish isnt helping much) that we are not going for Cassano?

Hasan Rossonero
16-07-2007, 15:16
So Hasan, can I deduce from this (alta vista babel fish isnt helping much) that we are not going for Cassano?
Yes. Si. Oui.

hitmannq8
16-07-2007, 15:16
Damn it! If my Italian serves me correctly, what Galliani said is that he will pass on Cassano this time.. is that right? or does he simply mean he is delaying his decision until the end of the market?

Tony29.
16-07-2007, 15:18
So Hasan, can I deduce from this (alta vista babel fish isnt helping much) that we are not going for Cassano?
Yup. For now Milan won't go for Cassano. They've thought about it a lot, did all sorts of evaluations and decided to postpone an eventual purchase of Cassano for some other time.

Warro Bantan
16-07-2007, 15:19
I quite understand Galliani´s reluctance to sign Cassano...he has never managed to behave himself, regardless of which club he is at....too risky for me, though as mentioned before, I am sure Maldini and Costacurta would beat the **** out of him were he even to consider throwing his rattle out of the pram.

Kaka--7thUCL
16-07-2007, 15:49
I'll post a real article.
http://www.acmilan.com/NewsDetail.aspx?idNews=49509
It's R10 and Villa no surprises. Super milan.

_MaJi_tz
16-07-2007, 15:54
Etto will be Eu player until 31 aug. he is in spain since 1997...
I hope so.......
And than milan sign him and in january comes pato and play when etto go on africa cup.
Great deal
:) :) :) :)

Giorgos
16-07-2007, 16:07
Etto will be Eu player until 31 aug. he is in spain since 1997...
I hope so.......
And than milan sign him and in january comes pato and play when etto go on africa cup.
Great deal
:) :) :) :)

If that so it would be excellent.... :5ok:

Jim_UK
16-07-2007, 16:13
He didn't play in the past for Tottehnam


I think you're thinking of Taino, a completely different player :D



I'll post a real article.
http://www.acmilan.com/NewsDetail.aspx?idNews=49509
It's R10 and Villa no surprises. Super milan.


Where does that article mention anything about Villa?

Ronaldinho & Villa, we can only wish!!!!!!!!!!

Warro Bantan
16-07-2007, 16:14
The sixth option:"Yes, there is a sixth player we are interested in. He does not have European citizenship, but I will not say who it is even under torture. But he's a remote option. If someone comes, it will be a non-EU citizen. Or anyway someone who has this status at the moment and will perhaps be a EU citizen by 31 August." Ahh, so now the speculation mounts.....who could the "sixth option" be...and why does that sound like a Robert Ludlum novel "The Sixth Option"..a continuation of his Jason Bourne series? A spin off? Or a speil to keep the supporters buying season tickets, or one simply to take some pressure off management. :dontkn:

:D

Now as to the sixth? From Adriano to Villa, we have got almost the entire alphabet to work with!

_MaJi_tz
16-07-2007, 16:21
Ahh, so now the speculation mounts.....who could the "sixth option" be...and why does that sound like a Robert Ludlum novel "The Sixth Option"..a continuation of his Jason Bourne series? A spin off? Or a speil to keep the supporters buying season tickets, or one simply to take some pressure off management. :dontkn:

:D

Now as to the sixth? From Adriano to Villa, we have got almost the entire alphabet to work with!

Six option and that mistery person probably isnt eu-citizen...

Tevez is stil non man utd player I think....

I think that big name will come before 23 july too :ende:

Jim_UK
16-07-2007, 16:22
Now as to the sixth? From Adriano to Villa, we have got almost the entire alphabet to work with!


I don't think it will be Villa as he's Spanish :D

The cynic in me agrees with your idea about how the '6th option' is just a media stunt to keep fans excited.

Giorgos
16-07-2007, 16:27
I don't think it will be Villa as he's Spanish :D

The cynic in me agrees with your idea about how the '6th option' is just a media stunt to keep fans excited.

I wish to be Villa, if we could take him with less than 35 e it would be great. As i told in the past Spanish players don't play well in Milan but Villa is addicted to scoring while he can create at same time, he was doing that helping Morientes scoring also. But i don't give a chance going for him.

Jim_UK
16-07-2007, 16:33
Ronaldo-Villa-Kaka ... :eek:

With Pato on the way in January ... :eek::eek::eek:

:sagrin:

Warro Bantan
16-07-2007, 16:41
I hear that Panthro could be coming out of retirement, and could be the surprise signing this mercato!!

Ghost
16-07-2007, 16:42
Ronaldo-Villa-Kaka ... :eek:

With Pato on the way in January ... :eek::eek::eek:

:sagrin:

Ive said this before and I will repeat this - I will only be happy with villa then again its not what I want rather than what Carlo, Galliani & Berlu want.

Ive got this feeling that Eto & R10 wont come and the only real player I think we have left is Villa, however Pato wont be that bad for the future.

Jim_UK
16-07-2007, 16:57
I hear that Panthro could be coming out of retirement, and could be the surprise signing this mercato!!

Well i currently don't have a passport as it's run out ... so maybe it is me :delol:

Remember, you heard it here first ;)

GilAttack [11]
16-07-2007, 17:01
Really, I have never seen a player more convinced to stay put than Eto'o. Dont know how you can convince him to leave Barcelona to sign for us. He is too comfortable there.

I give thumbs up to Villa.

ACMILAN1983
16-07-2007, 17:03
I'm speculating, but I wouldn't be shocked if the 6th option is Robinho. We know it's probably a non-EU player (I don't think Robinho is the looking for EU status anytime soon), and then there's been a lot of talk of the player being Brazilian. Also, Robinho is a pretty big name and has been important to both Real and Brazil over the past season and can play as a forward. Finally, Real are looking to get some players who can play a similar role to Robinho in Real, most specifically Robben.

There's no doubt it's pretty far fetched, but it's always a possibility. However, I think our star signing will be Ronaldinho.

Jim_UK
16-07-2007, 17:03
in other news man city are apparently going to sign Nery Alberto Castillo, i know there are some fans of him here.

the two manchester clubs are also linked with Carrizo .... :yuck:

I think i'd rather see him go to Lazio.

drucurl
16-07-2007, 17:05
I have a feeling this (http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/8734/ronaldoooooooooosq8.jpg) is why we didn't make that earth shattering move for Christiano Ronaldo :D

Ghost
16-07-2007, 17:15
in other news man city are apparently going to sign Nery Alberto Castillo, i know there are some fans of him here.

the two manchester clubs are also linked with Carrizo .... :yuck:

I think i'd rather see him go to Lazio.

I bet the city fans must be over the moon with Sven as their manager.

Warro Bantan
16-07-2007, 17:16
I think the only player we will get this mercato is Panthro. (But I hear he has some pretty good, cat-like moves)

:D

Warro Bantan
16-07-2007, 17:21
I have a feeling this (http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/8734/ronaldoooooooooosq8.jpg) is why we didn't make that earth shattering move for Christiano Ronaldo :D dru, dru, dru....what ever am I to do with you! U r hopeless!! (Good photo shop by the way!) :grinser:

If its real (which I doubt), then I am also glad we didnt sign him...at least Beckham had the decency to wear his wife´s undies under his shorts! :haha:

Jim_UK
16-07-2007, 17:25
I think the only player we will get this mercato is Panthro. (But I hear he has some pretty good, cat-like moves)

:D


i do have some quality moves and when i'm fouled i always land on my feet :D

that photoshop should not have fooled you warro ... when will you learn? :rolleyes: :rotfl:

Warro Bantan
16-07-2007, 17:28
I guess in your indecent haste to respond to my post, you forgot the little brackets, and the words "good photoshop by the way"...but such is life...with the hectic nature of this silly season, I perfectly understand.

:)

Jim_UK
16-07-2007, 17:30
then why do you go on to say

"if it's real (which i doubt)"?

Are you doubting your own joke/judgement? :guw:

Warro Bantan
16-07-2007, 17:32
No, but because I am sensitive to Dru´s prefrences, I try not to be to harsh when replying to his posts.

:haha:

Jim_UK
16-07-2007, 17:34
No, but because I am sensitive to Dru´s prefrences, I try not to be to harsh when replying to his posts.

:haha:


you mollycoddle him far too much :delol:

Warro Bantan
16-07-2007, 17:35
Well, he is extremely "sensitive"...

Jim_UK
16-07-2007, 17:37
can't be soft on him all the time, he has to learn to grow up on his own ;)

drucurl
16-07-2007, 17:41
OK I'm lost now :confused: what did I do :dontkn: and how am I sensitive? :yuck: (In Trinidad...in the 'hood that is, Sensitive = Gay :D )

Oh and I didn't ps it.....I found it when I googled Ronaldo's gf :googly:

Stitch
16-07-2007, 17:47
I have a feeling this (http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/8734/ronaldoooooooooosq8.jpg) is why we didn't make that earth shattering move for Christiano Ronaldo :D


pls remove this post, or mzk will soon announce cristiano is the best player ever to play football :D :grinser:

drucurl
16-07-2007, 17:47
can't be soft on him all the time, he has to learn to grow up on his own ;)

aaaaah shaddup Panthro :str: you're always the first to get tricked by Mumrah :D :D then I have to step in (as usual) and rescue your ungrateful ass :zany:

drucurl
16-07-2007, 17:48
pls remove this post, or mzk will soon announce cristiano is the best player ever to play football :D :grinser:
Maybe it was him that photoshopped (although I think it's authentic :eekani:) in the first place :guw:

kris
16-07-2007, 18:16
Etto will be Eu player until 31 aug. he is in spain since 1997...
I hope so.......
And than milan sign him and in january comes pato and play when etto go on africa cup.
Great deal
:) :) :) :)

Ronaldinho is first options, ask Berlusconi. then Barcelona have Henry-Eto'o-Messi with Bojan and Santos knocking on the door. They can "afford losing" Ronaldinho and would make a lot of money on it. Even if Eto'o could be a better fit.

GilAttack [11]
16-07-2007, 18:19
I'm speculating, but I wouldn't be shocked if the 6th option is Robinho. We know it's probably a non-EU player (I don't think Robinho is the looking for EU status anytime soon), and then there's been a lot of talk of the player being Brazilian. Also, Robinho is a pretty big name and has been important to both Real and Brazil over the past season and can play as a forward. Finally, Real are looking to get some players who can play a similar role to Robinho in Real, most specifically Robben.

There's no doubt it's pretty far fetched, but it's always a possibility. However, I think our star signing will be Ronaldinho.

No way Calderon gives Galliani what he wants, especially being a highly regarded player for them coming off a strong Copa America. That wouldnt be exactly a Real Madrid kind of move.
Maybe if its brazilian, not named Adriano, Ronaldinho or Pato, its Fred.

Paolo3
16-07-2007, 18:32
First thing first, I want to introduce myself to the forum, I've been following it for quite a while, and I have to say that I find it very very interesting, specially with the posts of people such as Zlatanov, Tony (the juventino) and Drucul. I was born in Mexico but I moved to California just a few weeks ago, and even that most of the Mexicans have Real Madrid or Barcelona as their favorite European team (since Hugo Sanchez crushed all GK in La Liga and most recently Rafa Marquez is doing well at Barza), I’ve been a Milan fan since the glorious days of the Dutch trio and ‘til this day my passion for the red and black jersey is growing every day.

Now on the topic, I honestly think that our management must to make their moves quickly, the mercato is getting more expensive every day and is going to get worse as the time goes on regarding price and availability. I know last year was a strange market for us because of the calciopoli, but CL or not (correct me if I’m wrong but I think the serie A place was granted much before the end of the market) they should had get an adequate replacement for at least the traitor and the ageing Cafu on the summer, they wait more than they should had and we ended up with RO and Oddo on the winter for pretty much the same price than he had in the summer.....we all know the squad needs to be strengthened in almost every line and even when we are European Champions that doesn’t mean that with the team as it is we’ll be able to challenge Serie A, CL, Clubs world cup and coppa Italia....

nefremo
16-07-2007, 18:40
Well we know one thing for sure...we are interested in those 5 players and are working on it. The sixth player.........I think there is no sixth player as of right now but if we don't end up with one of the five mentioned then we will sign someone that Galliani will say that he was the much talked about sixth option. :grinser:

Out of the 5 mentioned, for some reason I give the biggest chances to Eto'o and Ronaldinho. I think that a deal is made for one of them but we are waiting for that player to get the EU citizenship.

Paolo3
16-07-2007, 18:45
I really hope that's the case, but if they indeed a have a deal in place for either Ronaldinho or Eto'o I don't think they should wait for them to get their EU passport, I mean they still can get it while in Milan right? and those are players who can make a great impact on the 1st team, it's not like we don't want to sign them until they have their passport so they don't block the potential arrival of a bigger star.

nefremo
16-07-2007, 18:48
Welcome to the forum Paolo, hope you enjoy it here.

It is true that we seem to be taking too much time to make our moves official. I said official because I believe that moves and agreements are probably being done or have been done but they haven't been made official. The question of why we are yet to sign anyone was answered I think clearly by Galliani, and we are obviously waiting for something to happen in order to put pen to paper with a cerain player and make him official. That's why in my previous post I said that I think it will be either Ronaldinho or Eto'o, simply because of the fact that we are probably waiting for the non-EU thing to be resolved. As soon the player we have and agreement with gets their EU citizenship we will make it official and sign him.
A few months ago I thought 'Dinho and Eto'o were untouchable at Barca but not anymore. In any case.......the reason we are waiting for one of them to get a EU citizenship is because we are probably looking at another non-EU player. If Ronaldinho/Eto'o get EU passports then that another non-EU will arive alongside with one of the two. If they don't get the EU passports then it will be only one of the two without that 3rd non_EU I just mentione.

It is all speculation of course.......but what else have we got to do then hope. :grinser:

GilAttack [11]
16-07-2007, 19:05
People were talking about Giuly. In Spain reports say that he may sign with Roma.

Kaka--7thUCL
16-07-2007, 19:06
I don't think it will be Villa as he's Spanish :D

The cynic in me agrees with your idea about how the '6th option' is just a media stunt to keep fans excited.

Lol, I was just saying :P He's also my hopeful though, but he said there's going to be a surprise signing and that huge signing they were talking about so i guessed r10 and villa :P

zlatanov
16-07-2007, 19:07
http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/index.php?action=read&id=67751

the rumour speculates - I think that's the best way to describe it - that the 6th mystery man from Galliani's words is Tevez and Milan is working towards stealing him from ManU for around 30 mil euros.

It looks to me that, due to lack of other options, the journalist is throwing Tevez's name in the pile as he is probbaly the only big-name player left out there who hasn't been heavily linked with Milan.

']People were talking about Giuly. In Spain reports say that he may sign with Roma.
actually, it looks like it's a done deal for around 4 mil. which would be a good signing by Roma and would give them some of the depth they lacked last season in that area of the field.

Kaka--7thUCL
16-07-2007, 19:09
Well we know one thing for sure...we are interested in those 5 players and are working on it. The sixth player.........I think there is no sixth player as of right now but if we don't end up with one of the five mentioned then we will sign someone that Galliani will say that he was the much talked about sixth option. :grinser:

Out of the 5 mentioned, for some reason I give the biggest chances to Eto'o and Ronaldinho. I think that a deal is made for one of them but we are waiting for that player to get the EU citizenship.

Yes, and there was many articles that a deal has been reached between R10 and milan!! It's r10 i know it! Or I hope.. :P

Paolo3
16-07-2007, 19:13
Welcome to the forum Paolo, hope you enjoy it here.

It is true that we seem to be taking too much time to make our moves official. I said official because I believe that moves and agreements are probably being done or have been done but they haven't been made official. The question of why we are yet to sign anyone was answered I think clearly by Galliani, and we are obviously waiting for something to happen in order to put pen to paper with a cerain player and make him official. That's why in my previous post I said that I think it will be either Ronaldinho or Eto'o, simply because of the fact that we are probably waiting for the non-EU thing to be resolved. As soon the player we have and agreement with gets their EU citizenship we will make it official and sign him.
A few months ago I thought 'Dinho and Eto'o were untouchable at Barca but not anymore. In any case.......the reason we are waiting for one of them to get a EU citizenship is because we are probably looking at another non-EU player. If Ronaldinho/Eto'o get EU passports then that another non-EU will arive alongside with one of the two. If they don't get the EU passports then it will be only one of the two without that 3rd non_EU I just mentione.

It is all speculation of course.......but what else have we got to do then hope. :grinser:


Thanks for the warm welcome nefremo!....if Milan does sign either R10 or Eto'o I'll be more than happy! but I would like them to get a LB and a Midfielder too, even when Janku did it OK as LB he's more a LM and with good but injury prone Ambro and ageing Seedord I think we need 1 more MID, we have Gourcuff but is going to be a long season with many fronts to face.

sveto
16-07-2007, 20:11
watching the copa america final last night, I think Julio Baptista should fit in our offense, I dont think he is that expensive

Russo-Neri
16-07-2007, 20:17
Yes, and there was many articles that a deal has been reached between R10 and milan!! It's r10 i know it! Or I hope.. :P

Totally agree, it's R10. Almost no doubt in my mind

GilAttack [11]
16-07-2007, 20:18
http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/index.php?action=read&id=67751

the rumour speculates - I think that's the best way to describe it - that the 6th mystery man from Galliani's words is Tevez and Milan is working towards stealing him from ManU for around 30 mil euros.

It looks to me that, due to lack of other options, the journalist is throwing Tevez's name in the pile as he is probbaly the only big-name player left out there who hasn't been heavily linked with Milan.


actually, it looks like it's a done deal for around 4 mil. which would be a good signing by Roma and would give them some of the depth they lacked last season in that area of the field.

Im sure having Tevez out from the Premier League is in their best interest (the league as a whole). Obviously Manchester would like to add him, and it looks like it will happen. I dont know why he isnt transfered once and for all to a club 100%. This Kia Joorabchian does no good to soccer.
Who knows, maybe if Tevez and Mascherano werent represented by this guy back then, they could have signed for us. One or the other. Mascherano was one of the best players in Copa America, and he also managed to keep Kaka in check during the last UCL final...and once Rafa Benitez took him out from the field, Kaka appeared and handed a sweet assist to Pippo for the second score.

Tony29.
16-07-2007, 20:39
I don't want to spoil the party but don't you think that after selling Guily to Roma and previously letting Saviola go, Barcelona really plan to keep all 4 stars ?

GilAttack [11]
16-07-2007, 21:06
I don't want to spoil the party but don't you think that after selling Guily to Roma and previously letting Saviola go, Barcelona really plan to keep all 4 stars ?

They also plan to make a bid for Lampard.

Kaka--7thUCL
16-07-2007, 22:03
Roma plan a bid for Lampard or Barca? Well WOW if Barca are planning a bid for Lampard does this not click into any of your heads that the surprise signing MUST be r10? Too many things show it's r10, 5 words that came out of Berlusconis mouth dont match up

Kaka--7thUCL
16-07-2007, 22:05
I really hope that's the case, but if they indeed a have a deal in place for either Ronaldinho or Eto'o I don't think they should wait for them to get their EU passport, I mean they still can get it while in Milan right? and those are players who can make a great impact on the 1st team, it's not like we don't want to sign them until they have their passport so they don't block the potential arrival of a bigger star.

Hmm that leads me to another question, why can't they just buy R10 and wait for him to get an ITALIAN citizenship in MILANO..?

nefremo
16-07-2007, 22:14
Because doing that won't do us any good. If we buy him as a non-EU that means we can't buy another non-EU player for outside of Italy untill next June. Anyhow it is only speculation.
Tony has a point, however I don't know how much the departures of Saviola and Giuly will influence Eto'o or Ronaldinho. Saviola and Giuly were subs while Eto'o and Ronaldinho are starters and none of Henry, Messi, Eto'o or 'Dinho will settle for the bench. In any case, I think they have been wanting to promote their young star Dos Santos to get more minutes and they still have Gudjohnsen(?). They are backed up good so I really don't see how they can keep all four superstars in the squad. However if they do keep all 4 and they put them on the same pitch.....I would gladly play Barcelona any day with our current squad. :devf:

Hasan Rossonero
16-07-2007, 22:15
Today's Gazzetta seems to be certain that the 6th name was Tevez. It is, however, a very small possibility as United have pretty much wrapped up the transfer. Gazzetta seems to believe that the transfer which is closest to Milan current is that of Quagliarella. The player is an option that would not rule out any of the non-EU options.

So the door would still be open for Pato to come in 2008.

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It does seem that Gazzetta is jumping around with names, but Quagliarella is apparently very well liked by Ancelotti. I would be very happy if he came.

GilAttack [11]
16-07-2007, 22:34
Because doing that won't do us any good. If we buy him as a non-EU that means we can't buy another non-EU player for outside of Italy untill next June. Anyhow it is only speculation.
Tony has a point, however I don't know how much the departures of Saviola and Giuly will influence Eto'o or Ronaldinho. Saviola and Giuly were subs while Eto'o and Ronaldinho are starters and none of Henry, Messi, Eto'o or 'Dinho will settle for the bench. In any case, I think they have been wanting to promote their young star Dos Santos to get more minutes and they still have Gudjohnsen(?). They are backed up good so I really don't see how they can keep all four superstars in the squad. However if they do keep all 4 and they put them on the same pitch.....I would gladly play Barcelona any day with our current squad. :devf:

FR would obviously bench Messi, since he is the youngest and wouldnt complain that much. Maybe if they let Eto'o know that he would be Henry' sub, he would change his mind and come here :diablo: But of course, he would first punch Rijkaard on the face. Too volatile.
I dont think playing the 4 of them at the same time is an option. If they all keep a team spirit, actually it would be nice to have some kind of rotation. There are tons of games to be played, but who is sitting the important games?

Gabriel489
16-07-2007, 22:53
Thanks Tony for the Info earlier

Tony29.
16-07-2007, 23:07
You do have a point when you say none of the Barcelona stars will accept the bench but you're missing another thing here.... who says one of them will have to stay on the bench regularly ?
Every one of them can play 3 out of 4 matches and enter as a sub in the 4th match.
Just think about it....there are ~55 matches per season for a team like Barcelona. If every one of them plays 3 matches in a row and gets a rest in the 4th match then they'll play ~40 matches per season. All of them will be well rested this way and they won't be tired in April-May, plus they'll still get to start 75% of the matches, which is even normally a maximum, or close to the maximum matches they play every year .
In one match you'll have Messi-Dinho-Eto'o in the second match Messi-Dinho-Henry, in the third Messi-Eto'o-Henry and in the 4th match Dinho-Eto'o-Henry...perfect example for a squad rotation. Just imagine Kaka, Gattuso, Pirlo, Ronaldo, Nesta being rested in every 4th match and still a great replacement to take over their place while they are resting. It would be perfect for Milan.
Not to mention some eventual injury of one of them. Barcelona won't even feel it because they'll have a megastar to replace the injured one.
Financially it's also good for Barcelona. They got rid of the wages Giuly and Saviola were getting and they'll use these money to cover Henry's wages. It's no sacrifice at all.

If you think about it it's perfect. You have 4 stars to fill 3 positions and still you keep all of them happy and well rested. Perfect scenario !

Of course, it's not as perfect as i made it to look :)
It's not a problem for Messi-Dinho and Eto'o, but this could be a huge problem for Henry. He's changing the country, the league and this way he'll have to change his partners in attack in every match. He'll never have the same 2 partners in attack match after match !
And as GilAttack says, the important matches could be a problem...who'll sit on the bench then ? Or maybe they'll rotate them in the important matches also. There'll be plenty of those in La Liga and CL.

I don't know what could happen. Getting rid of Giuly and Saviola could really mean that Barcelona really wants to keep all the stars in attack and maybe they think the same way i do about making all 4 of them function in the same team.

GilAttack [11]
16-07-2007, 23:38
Rijkaard won the UCL with that scheme, I doubt he will change it just to accomodate his players' wishes. Ideally, you would rotate Eto'o and Henry, with Messi and Ronaldinho being the two untouchable from the starting 11.
I think signing Henry and possibly Lampard (in case Ronaldinho leaves) gives Laporta the chance to save face. Especially if Dinho wants to leave and he isnt pushed out from the club. And of course, it wouldnt hurt him if Berlusconi does something crazy, like paying 70+M euros for R10.