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Actually not. I would LOVE a match between AC Milan and FK Sarajevo. It would be once in a lifetime opportunity to see my idols in person :) FKS won't get to the group stage anyway... :)
Actually not. I would LOVE a match between AC Milan and FK Sarajevo. It would be once in a lifetime opportunity to see my idols in person :) FKS won't get to the group stage anyway... :)
I know what you mean, I think your team has a better chance than Dynamo Zagreb. Hopefully you reach the final in Moscow then of course loose to Milan.
I know what you mean, I think your team has a better chance than Dynamo Zagreb. Hopefully you reach the final in Moscow then of course loose to Milan.
:grinser: :grinser: that would be awesome, and I wouldn't mind losing at all !! :ilol:
Pato scored twice last night as Internacional beat Corinthians...pretty quick return after U-20He didn't play too well. the first goal was a penalty kick and the second one was a defense flaw. anyway, Pato is quality, i want him at Milan.
ACMILAN1983
19-07-2007, 07:59
Pato scored twice last night as Internacional beat Corinthians...pretty quick return after U-20
Yeah, he took the goals well, the second was a superb finish
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH-uMyoD8RA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmb9oICJluw
Arildonardo
19-07-2007, 08:03
It's about time we sign someone or they will lose some of the pre-season training with the club. Then we risk that the new player(s) will use some of the regular season to get acquainted with Milan and the italian style of football and living. Even great players, like Eto'o for instance, sometimes need time to blend in a new environment...
Yeah, he took the goals well, the second was a superb finish
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH-uMyoD8RA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmb9oICJluwYep, perfect finish.
Mr.Rossoneri
19-07-2007, 08:24
Samuel Eto'o has admitted his admiration for Milan, amid speculation the Serie A club are ready to firm up their interest.
Eto'o has continually maintained that he wants to remain at Barcelona, but the signing of Thierry Henry this summer has led to further speculation that he would be sold.
Reports in Italy suggest Milan could make an offer of up to €50million (£33.7million) for the Cameroonian star.
"Milan is a great team, a club that is known around the world, who have just won the Champions League," he is quoted in Gazzetta dello Sport.
"I am proud to be considered a target by them but, for now, I am happy where I am.
"The amount of money is something for the club to think about. For me, the figures will never change my plans. As for Barcelona, I do not know."
It is claimed that Milan vice-president Adriano Galliani is set to travel to Catalunya to try and secure a deal for Eto'o in the coming days.
Milan are also maintaining an interest in former star Andrei Shevchenko, who could be available from Chelsea.
Source: www.skysports.com
I'd say the interest is in Ronaldinho. It is berlusconis money.
Gabriel489
19-07-2007, 08:41
Now Eto is being link with Milan today, source from Channel4.
THe other one is Cavani, source from Goal.com.
Gees pls sign someone this is giving me a hard time making Milan team for next season on my Winning Eleven.
Just kidding.
Imagine that Eto wearing the Red and Black
Gabriel489
19-07-2007, 08:46
Now it is Eto.
A while ago I posted that the promotion poster in HK for Barcelona Tour does not have Eto. And I quoted that it could very well mean Eto will be a Milan player this off season.
However, I think that people at Barcelona must be monitering my post, as the day after I posted that news. All the Barcelona tour poster changed as they added Eto on it and right away the newspaper published the contract between HKFA and Barcelona stating that Eto will be part of the tour on Aug 10, 2007. So I am sorry I rued the surprise, I guess I bursted the bubble for everyone. But now, Milan is linking with Eto again and Eto admitted it. SO it might just be that Eto or Dinho will sign with us after Barcelona's Asian Tour.
One final thought, Eto is the only one who had gone publicly denying any moves to Milan and that he loves Barcelona. Could he be doing that b/c he knows he is leaving but wants the fans to think that he is only leaving b/c the club decided to and not him? Kind of like what Sheva said about leaving for his wife and kids and not b/c of the money.
On the otherhand, how come Dinho is that quiet to the point where he has not said much, is he leaving or he knows he is staying for sure.
Makedonac
19-07-2007, 08:47
Imagine that Eto wearing the Red and Black
And Pato also
Hasan Rossonero
19-07-2007, 08:49
ROME - There was also Adriano Galliani to salute the new era of Pierluigi Collina as referee designator at the Roman hotel where Aia made the announcement. The Milan vice-president excluded any new developments in the negotiations with Barcelona for Cameroon striker Eto'o. But he did so in a way that leaves room for hypothesis: 'What I do at night' - Galliani answered to the journalists who asked him about a stop in Barcelona - I don't tell in the morning'. This afternoon Galliani will be participating to the reunion of the federal council of FIGC. (ANSA).
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www.acmilan.com
Gabriel489
19-07-2007, 08:55
I read somewhere that ManU will be selling Smith and Rossi, think Milan will sign Rossi?
But forgot where
i would love to see eto in a milan jersey!!
he makes wonderful, slashing runs...creates tons of space, and will pass if warrented...great pace and he's young.
DO IT...JUST SIGN HIM!!
question though... can ronaldo play an am? or would this be the end of ancelotti's xmas tree:
dida
oddo-nesta-kala-janku
rino-pirlo-ambro
ronaldo-kaka
eto
or would
seedorf-kaka
eto (ronaldo)
be more effective?
Hasan Rossonero
19-07-2007, 08:56
Eto'o Flattered By Milan Talk, But Not Interested
Eto'o confirms Milan liking
Classic case of different spins.
Hasan Rossonero
19-07-2007, 09:08
I think this "negotiation" with Barca is over Dinho not Eto'o. God willing, we shall see shortly.
Gabriel489
19-07-2007, 09:11
OR it might be for Motta
SO don;t lose any sleep over it
Gabriel489
19-07-2007, 09:15
I remember where I read about ManU will let go Smith and Rossi, it is on yahoo sports
Hasan Rossonero
19-07-2007, 09:18
The Smith and Rossi news has been around for a few weeks now...
Classic case of different spins.
And this :
Milan Vice-President Adriano Galliano has flown to Barcelona, prompting rumours that he is planning to make a final bid for Samuel Eto’o
There was also Adriano Galliani to salute the new era of Pierluigi Collina as referee designator at the Roman hotel where Aia made the announcement
.........This afternoon Galliani will be participating to the reunion of the federal council of FIGC
Ether something's wrong with the info or this man never stops :)
Hasan Rossonero
19-07-2007, 09:30
channel 4 is very incompetent, and they report (after translating into English) after almost a day sometimes.
Chances are Galliani went to Barca last night.
Hasan Rossonero
19-07-2007, 09:51
Galliani has just told gazzetta that "we're good as we are". He also added that we will for sure make a "grand acquisition in August".
Typical moron. No great signings we'll be made. Lies and more lies again and again. We'll end up with another galliani turkey like Brncic or Oliveira.
Hasan Rossonero
19-07-2007, 09:59
I must say we cannot compete for the Scudetto and the CL with this squad. It’s way too thin.
I really hope we make some signings and this is just posturing from Galliani. If he’s really content, then that is a huge disservice to Ancelotti and fans.
Typical moron. No great signings we'll be made. Lies and more lies again and again. We'll end up with another galliani turkey like Brncic or Oliveira.
Inferentially, what you say implies Kaka` is a moron.
I must say we cannot compete for the Scudetto and the CL with this squad. It’s way too thin.
And you can almost always find someone saying what you just wrote every year during the summer mercato.
Hasan Rossonero
19-07-2007, 10:05
GALLIANI, ETO'O AND RONALDINHO NOT LEAVING BARCELONA
7/19/2007
ROME – At the exit of the Federal Council, Adriano Galliani expressed himself this way: “For me Kaka is a forward. He’s the top goalscorer of the Champions League. I don’t see how he cannot be considered an attacker. We have Ronaldo, Inzaghi, Gilardino and we have Kaka. Sometimes we can also not keep our word,” he added. “We have not made an offer of 50 million for Eto’o,” continued Adriano Galliani. “Him and Ronaldinho are not for sale. Drogba? I don’t think so. With regards to Kaka, the Brazilian will remain at Milan at 200%.”
www.acmilan.com
Russo-Neri
19-07-2007, 10:06
Inferentially, what you say implies Kaka` is a moron.
No, inferentially, he would be implying Kaka is a turkey :5ok:
Ancelotti has had scraps served to him in the last few years thanks to the incompetant dealings of Crapiani. Oliveira, Favalli all bear his hallmark of signing cheap bad players to replace great players, or overspending on below average. Our squad has gone down 2 levels with him messing, only thanks to the quality of Ancelotti's coaching can we compete.
Hasan Rossonero
19-07-2007, 10:09
And you can almost always find someone saying what you just wrote every year during the summer mercato.
Oh I'm sorry, you must think that I am part of the rabble...
I said Scudetto AND the Champions League. I think with injuries etc. we have to have a large(r) squad to compete. This year Milan picked one over the other. Inter may have not have the stomach for the fight like we do, but they do have a big enough squad to compete on two fronts.
We'll be striving for more than two trophies next season. We have the quality in the first XI, but to compete for both seems difficult. And a club like Milan has the ambition to compete in both.
The saddest piece of news today is Galliani saying that "sometimes we can also not keep our word". I am a reasonably optimistic person, but this seems like a massive betrayal to the season ticket holders. Admittedly, season ticket holders should buy tickets for Milan, but undoubtedly the expected arrival of a striker must have gotten them excited.
I don't even want a HUGE transfer. I just want someone in defence (Canna, Barzagli or Zambo) and someone in attack (Quag or G. Rossi).
EDIT: I am reading conflicting reports. Calciomercato and other sources say that Galliani said that they will land a great transfer in August, while Gazzetta
and acmilan.com (above) don't mention that. Also I haven't read "sometimes we also can't keep our word" in any other source.
Kaka was signed due to the legwork that Leonardo done in Brzail, and to lesser extent Braida who dealt with the SA market, not galliani sitting in Milan taking credit for other people's work.
Arildonardo
19-07-2007, 10:20
Kaka was signed due to the legwork that Leonardo done in Brzail, and to lesser extent Braida who dealt with the SA market, not galliani sitting in Milan taking credit for other people's work.
You really know a lot of how this works within Milan, don't you? I'm surprised your location is Ireland... :grinser:
Russo-Neri
19-07-2007, 10:21
GALLIANI, ETO'O AND RONALDINHO NOT LEAVING BARCELONA
7/19/2007
ROME – At the exit of the Federal Council, Adriano Galliani expressed himself this way: “For me Kaka is a forward. He’s the top goalscorer of the Champions League. I don’t see how he cannot be considered an attacker. We have Ronaldo, Inzaghi, Gilardino and we have Kaka. Sometimes we can also not keep our word,” he added. “We have not made an offer of 50 million for Eto’o,” continued Adriano Galliani. “Him and Ronaldinho are not for sale. Drogba? I don’t think so. With regards to Kaka, the Brazilian will remain at Milan at 200%.”
www.acmilan.com
I hate our management! I mean just SHUT UP! Do what you got to do and run AC Milan business - but SHUT UP with all these stupid quotes to the public. "We're going to sign a big name player." "That player will be non-EU" "We're looking at these five, but there is also a 6th." "We are happy with the team we have."
I swear Galliani et al are retarded. Just handle your business quietly, discreetly. There is NO advantage to contributing to the transfer rumors with these retarded statements. Instead you just surrender your position and make things even harder. If I needed to buy a car, I'd go to a dealer and keep my mouth shut until I had a completely thought out gameplan. I wouldn't be speaking to a friend loudly saying - I'm definitely getting a red car because that's my favorite f''king color and I won't buy anything BUT a red car!" :mad:
I want to play Galliani in a poker match. His blabbering would give him away and I could make enough money from him to sign R10 AND Eto'o myself!
The saddest piece of news today is Galliani saying that "sometimes we can also not keep our word". I am a reasonably optimistic person, but this seems like a massive betrayal to the season ticket holders. Admittedly, season ticket holders should buy tickets for Milan, but undoubtedly the expected arrival of a striker must have gotten them excited.
I don't even want a HUGE transfer. I just want someone in defence (Canna, Barzagli or Zambo) and someone in attack (Quag or G. Rossi).
EDIT: I am reading conflicting reports. Calciomercato and other sources say that Galliani said that they will land a great transfer in August, while Gazzetta
and acmilan.com (above) don't mention that. Also I haven't read "sometimes we also can't keep our word" in any other source.
1) I have learnt to never listen to Galliani but to refer to acmilan.com official announcement.
2) But we WANT huge transfers, don't we? We don't want scrap players like (hmm...) Favalli?
3)acmilan.com is the only most trusted source.
I hate our management! I mean just SHUT UP! Do what you got to do and run AC Milan business - but SHUT UP with all these stupid quotes to the public. "We're going to sign a big name player." "That player will be non-EU" "We're looking at these five, but there is also a 6th." "We are happy with the team we have."
I swear Galliani et al are retarded. Just handle your business quietly, discreetly. There is NO advantage to contributing to the transfer rumors with these retarded statements.
There is; saying that Milan is gonna sign a new management may have a positive effect on the number of seasonal sale by raising people's expectation about next year's squad.
Hasan Rossonero
19-07-2007, 10:25
1) I have learnt to never listen to Galliani but to refer to acmilan.com official announcement.
2) But we WANT huge transfers, don't we? We don't want scrap players like (hmm...) Favalli?
3)acmilan.com is the only most trusted source.
That quotation is from acmilan.com
Check it out yourself.
I just want reasonably good transfers. I don't want huge names because I don't think we need them.
Kaka was signed due to the legwork that Leonardo done in Brzail, and to lesser extent Braida who dealt with the SA market, not galliani sitting in Milan taking credit for other people's work.
ic............
_MaJi_tz
19-07-2007, 10:25
GALLIANI, ETO'O AND RONALDINHO NOT LEAVING BARCELONA
7/19/2007
ROME – At the exit of the Federal Council, Adriano Galliani expressed himself this way: “For me Kaka is a forward. He’s the top goalscorer of the Champions League. I don’t see how he cannot be considered an attacker. We have Ronaldo, Inzaghi, Gilardino and we have Kaka. Sometimes we can also not keep our word,” he added. “We have not made an offer of 50 million for Eto’o,” continued Adriano Galliani. “Him and Ronaldinho are not for sale. Drogba? I don’t think so. With regards to Kaka, the Brazilian will remain at Milan at 200%.”
www.acmilan.com
Bad news for sure :tired:
Check it out yourself.
Official announcement as in "official communication", not what is quoted saying on the acmilan.com website.
And don't we want a second kaka` :)?
Hasan Rossonero
19-07-2007, 10:26
There is; saying that Milan is gonna sign a new management may have a positive effect on the number of seasonal sale by raising people's expectation about next year's squad.
Freudian slip? :D
You really know a lot of how this works within Milan, don't you? I'm surprised your location is Ireland... :grinser:
Leonardo played for Sau Paulo at the time, and even admitted he spoke to Kaka about Milan so much, and Braida was looking after the SA market at the time too. It's been on the official website a few times.
Whether i'm in Ireland or Timbuctoo makes no difference, when it comes out of the horses mouth.
With Leo, Kaka would be playing for another team. Without galliani so wud favalli, oliveira, maybe zambrotta & ibrahamovic.
He's not a positive for Milan, and hasn't been for some time.
Freudian slip?
YAYA! :D:D:D:D
You guys are responding too fast lol, I am working on my research and just watn to get a break so come here to reply in this thread. Now I can't get out!!
Russo-Neri
19-07-2007, 10:30
There is; saying that Milan is gonna sign a new management may have a positive effect on the number of seasonal sale by raising people's expectation about next year's squad.
Yeah I thought about that after I submitted. But this "can't keep our word talk" could hurt additional ticket sales this summer. I mean, trying to lift spirits by saying Milan will sign someone and then coming back with "maybe we can't" talk sends a bad message and is counterproductive. If higher ticket sales were indeed a facet of their strategy, then they undid a lot of that by rescinding the promise somewhat. Personally, I think this back and forth points more to a clueless Galliani rather than some master god-like plan that many on this site assume this management to have.
Russo-Neri
19-07-2007, 10:30
Freudian slip? :D
HAHAHAHAHA I didn't catch that :zany:
Yeah I thought about that after I submitted. But this "can't keep our word talk" could hurt additional ticket sales this summer. I mean, trying to lift spirits by saying Milan will sign someone and then coming back with "maybe we can't" talk sends a bad message and is counterproductive. If higher ticket sales were indeed a facet of their strategy, then they undid a lot of that by rescinding the promise somewhat. Personally, I think this back and forth points more to a clueless Galliani rather than some master god-like plan that many on this site assume this management to have.
Perhaps; but then this is also quite a typical Galliani (e.g., Nesta).
How about the almost-done-deal Suazo? No body on this site, perhaps, even thought about him until the last moment when it was announced that he was robbed by the Milan management (which, btw, is a counter-example of saying the management is moron). The almost-classic transfer is ruined only by some illegal agreement between the player and the Inter management.
He may not be god-like, but he certainly knows what he is doing (if not talking).
The reason I mentioned that "every year people complained" has a valid reason, because again and again Milan has been doing so well in either CL or Serie A. Some attributes it to the coach (that's nice), but you must also understand that management is just more than generating economic performance. The question is how, and buying new, expensive player is not the answer...
our board is just talking talking blablablabla that's all...
LESS TALKING MORE ACTING
if carlo and galliani truely believe they can win supercup, serie A, champions league without any reinforcements? then they are really blinded by kaka!
kaka is world bes player. but kaka cant do everything thats their problem :|
why does it takes so long?
1)talk with club for starting ngotiations with player
2)come to agree with player
3)do offer to club
4)we got em
follow these steps, they always do their own way and what did it for milan? 2 seasons without any reinforcements
real asks 15mil€ for baptista... why wait?
has ge hot eu pasport btw?
Hasan Rossonero
19-07-2007, 11:05
Perhaps; but then this is also quite a typical Galliani (e.g., Nesta).
How about the almost-done-deal Suazo? No body on this site, perhaps, even thought about him until the last moment when it was announced that he was robbed by the Milan management (which, btw, is a counter-example of saying the management is moron). The almost-classic transfer is ruined only by some illegal agreement between the player and the Inter management.
He may not be god-like, but he certainly knows what he is doing (if not talking).
The reason I mentioned that "every year people complained" has a valid reason, because again and again Milan has been doing so well in either CL or Serie A. Some attributes it to the coach (that's nice), but you must also understand that management is just more than generating economic performance. The question is how, and buying new, expensive player is not the answer...
Precisely Jeff. We need 3 good signings in three areas rather than one big signing.
I think we can compete for the Scudetto OR the CL with this squad.
I just think we need to reinforce our squad, and I hope we do so. Just the "not keeping our word thing" was unsettling, even if a tactic.
Russo-Neri
19-07-2007, 11:24
Galliani: No big swoop Thursday 19 July, 2007
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Milan Vice-President Adriano Galliani has told journalists that the Rossoneri will not be signing a big-name striker this summer.
The Diavoli had been tipped to bring in a variety of world-class strikers this summer, but after weeks of speculation it seems they will start the season without a new face in attack.
There were rumours in recent days that Milan were preparing a mammoth bid for Barcelona’s Cameroon international star Samuel Eto’o, but Galliani has denied this
“No-one is coming – not Samuel Eto’o or Ronaldinho,” the Milan official told Press at the end of an Italian Football Federation meeting.
“We never made a £30m offer for Eto’o as he is not for sale. We have a strong squad without any new signings.
“I see Kaka as a striker and he’s 200 per cent certain to stay. He was the top scorer in the Champions League and we have Ronaldo, Pippo Inzaghi and Alberto Gilardino as well.”
I guess something changed drastically at Milan. I mean not even three days ago, Galliani is talking about how we will land one of 5 big name strikers - now apparently we don't need any. Idiot is either trying to save face after going out on a limb by boasting a big name signing, or he's planting even more smoke up all of our asses. The guy should just SHUT UP NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's obvious that we need another dependable striker, a LB and probably a decent CB....hence I propose...get ready for this
.........Ronaldinho :eekani:
I know it's such a shocking and fresh idea but it just might work :
1) LB : who needs a LB when Ronaldinho is roaming the left wing......the opposition :D
2)CB : it is said that the best defence is an attack :guw:
3)Striker: Ronaldinho is officially listed as a striker ....so there :stuckup:
I'm sure none of you good people at MM thought of that.....that's why I'm the greatest soccer pundit of all time and it's as simpleas that :bri:
Hasan Rossonero
19-07-2007, 11:30
I think the latest is all posturing by Galliani. Let's see what happens.
Almost predictable, however, isn't that what was said just before Nesta joined??
I think Pato in January. Or Robinho later this summer. I'm surprised Ancelotti hasn't mentioned this guy's name more often (or any at all). Can drift out to the wing, play in the hole, or as a support striker. Can you imagine Kaka and Robinho running at a defense???? Drooooooool... :p017:
Certainly hope we get Barzagli. He would be ideal as a long term replacement for Nesta.
Just two guys and Milan should be good.
Hasan Rossonero
19-07-2007, 11:33
This is being discussed in the Summer mercato thread, and yes, I agree with you that this seems like posturing.
Trequartista
19-07-2007, 11:34
bad news boys!
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jul19j.html
Almost predictable, however, isn't that what was said just before Nesta joined??
I think Pato in January. Or Robinho later this summer. I'm surprised Ancelotti hasn't mentioned this guy's name more often (or any at all). Can drift out to the wing, play in the hole, or as a support striker. Can you imagine Kaka and Robinho running at a defense???? Drooooooool... :p017:
Certainly hope we get Barzagli. He would be ideal as a long term replacement for Nesta.
Just two guys and Milan should be good.
Trequartista
19-07-2007, 11:35
BAD NEWS BOYS
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jul19j.html
ALSO OFFICIAL ON AC MILAN WEBSITE
WE GETTING NOTHING :stupid:
I think the latest is all posturing by Galliani. Let's see what happens.
Warro Bantan
19-07-2007, 11:35
Ancelotti has had scraps served to him in the last few years thanks to the incompetant dealings of Crapiani. Oliveira, Favalli all bear his hallmark of signing cheap bad players to replace great players, or overspending on below average. Our squad has gone down 2 levels with him messing, only thanks to the quality of Ancelotti's coaching can we compete. This is patently ridiculous...unless of course, you are secretly Braida or some one else in Milan management.
It is completely preposterous for you to make these statements, when you have no empirical evidence, and even if I am just as frustrated as you are over our transfers, or rather the lack thereof this mercato, I am not prepared to make such banal statements as the one quoted above.
Berlusconi has the purse strings, yes, but Galliani sees to the day to day running of the club, including transfers...and while Leonardo does a lot of the "grunt" work, Galliani is the one who takes the player stats to Berlu for approval, or takes the decision himself...ultimately, none of us really know, so to lay the blame for anything regarding Milans transfers squarely at Galliani´s feet is disingenius to the extreme.
I grow increasingly weary when otherwise intelligent posters allow their frustration, lack of patience, and anxiety to take control of their minds and fingers to the point where they post inanity, like its a poem.
If you want to blame anybody, blame Berlusconi, whose final decision (as far as I know, or dont kno actually) is required before any player signs for the club....and that would be completely ridiculous, since we have won so much under his ownership.
The same squad that has "gone down 2 levels" just won the UCL...after a horrendous summer filled with uncertainty, and an injury plagued season...wow. I guess we would have won successive trebles had Galliani, or Crapiani (as u choose to call him) not meddled.
The same Favalli that scored some important goals that allowed us to qualify for the UCL this term....this is a cheap and bad player? What team are you watching? Or are you just playing Winning 11?
I dont know, I am sorry if I have been harsh, or offended you, but as with most of us here, my patience is wearing thin, and your comments dont help.
hitmannq8
19-07-2007, 11:36
Don't get too caught up with what Galliani's been saying, he has said that at least every transfer market a few times. If Galliani does not sign a world-class striker by the end of the transfer window I can see a major strike happening at Via Turati asking for his chop. 2 poor summer transfer windows in a row can not be tolerated for a team with high ambitions as Milan.
Let's just give him time and space to do what he does best. We know for sure that he is in Barca for one purpose only: to get a player. It could even be Zambrotta (which I would take over Dinho/Eto'o any time any day) so just hang in there for now
Hasan Rossonero
19-07-2007, 11:38
our board is just talking talking blablablabla that's all...
LESS TALKING MORE ACTING
if carlo and galliani truely believe they can win supercup, serie A, champions league without any reinforcements? then they are really blinded by kaka!
kaka is world bes player. but kaka cant do everything thats their problem :|
why does it takes so long?
1)talk with club for starting ngotiations with player
2)come to agree with player
3)do offer to club
4)we got em
follow these steps, they always do their own way and what did it for milan? 2 seasons without any reinforcements
real asks 15mil€ for baptista... why wait?
has ge hot eu pasport btw?
Because he sucks.
Warro Bantan
19-07-2007, 11:40
Might I refer you all to the Silly Season rules yet again?
Click here (http://www.milanmania.com/forums/showthread.php?p=440269&highlight=Silly+Season+Rules#post440269) or check a few hundred posts back...its there somewhere....
Please, believe nothing, and I mean nothing, until we see the player hold up the shirt in an official news conference, or, at midnight of the last day of the transfer season.
Calm down everyone...its pure postering, as Hasan has said.
Warro Bantan
19-07-2007, 11:51
And if it isnt pure postering, and we are indeed not getting either Barca player...thats ok with me as well...regardless of who we buy, or dont, I am a Milan fan for life....
I wont hit out at management, who I am sure are doing their best...but for me, they have done one important, fundamental thing for our future...
They have secured Kaka...and that is more important than getting Etoo, Ronaldinho, Messi, Lampard, $heva, Villa, Torres...et al.
Maybe now they will turn some attention to Barzagli, or Quagliarela....on every cloud, there is a silver lining...
ForeverMilan
19-07-2007, 11:51
Milan, Galliani: "Eto'o e Ronaldinho sono incedibili, ma faremo un colpo"
19.07.2007 16.37 di Christian Seu articolo letto 5409 volte
L'amministratore delegato del Milan Adriano Galliani chiude la porta a Eto'o e Ronaldinho: "Restano al Barcellona, non sono in vendita - ha spiegato -. Non abbiamo fatto nessuna offerta di 50 milioni di euro, siamo in corsa per un grande attaccante, un colpo lo faremo, lasciateci lavorare. Anche Drogba non e' in vendita, non fatemi dire nulla. Ad agosto il Milan un grande colpo lo fara' di sicuro". Il Milan ha una squadra forte e completa, cosi come è. Abbiamo Kaka, Ronaldo e Gilardino, l'attacco va bene così", ha detto Gallini al termine del consiglio federale nella sede di via Allegri.
Graeme C
19-07-2007, 11:52
Last season i was calling for Galliani to go, and so far im sticking to that. We have the protential to go so far, and the transfer dealings from the last couple of years is holding us back. I dont want to turn to Inter style spending, just a stitch in time saves nine.
Leonardo and Cesare Maldini would be sooo much better at the job.
The team is constantly ageing, and its a joke that we have Serghino, Favalli and Fiori still in the side.
i dont ask for big names, all i ask for par exemple - Cassano/ Rossi - Chiellini/zambrotta and maresca.
i think i might start to take bets at how quickly ambrosini can get injured again, any takers? :P
Russo-Neri
19-07-2007, 11:55
Might I refer you all to the Silly Season rules yet again?
Click here (http://www.milanmania.com/forums/showthread.php?p=440269&highlight=Silly+Season+Rules#post440269) or check a few hundred posts back...its there somewhere....
Please, believe nothing, and I mean nothing, until we see the player hold up the shirt in an official news conference, or, at midnight of the last day of the transfer season.
Calm down everyone...its pure postering, as Hasan has said.
I hear ya, and to be honest it would be quite conceited of me to say this team needs R10 or Eto'o or Pele clone - I don't know anything and could never analyze our team needs the way someone who has spent their years doing it, like Galliani. And we may not sign anyone and (while disappointed) I could live with it.
BUT what angers me is the silly way Galliani handles himself publicly. I don't care if he is a futbol genius, he talks too much and it's embarrassing. And maybe I'm just biased because I pay more attention to Milan news than other clubs, but I get the sense not many other team managers shoot their mouth like Galliani does. Personally I think it's immature and more aptly - FOOLISH! :rolleyes:
Merged a thread regarding "no big signing".
Warro Bantan
19-07-2007, 12:07
Russo-Neri...I agree, to a point...regardless of what he says, if we land Ronaldinho, all that he said previous will be forgotten instantly. Believe me.
I agree that he talks a bit much, but if you are faced with 10 microphones every time you step into public, and you need to keep "cordial" relations with the media, you have to give them a paragraph/sound bite...and if its blue one day, and green the other, ultimately, no one cares, especially if a "big" name is signed.
Graeme C
19-07-2007, 12:12
thats the other thing, we have no accuses not to sign someone this window. We are already qualified for champ league, not waiting on any trial....
Please, believe nothing, and I mean nothing, until we see the player hold up the shirt in an official news conference, or, at midnight of the last day of the transfer season.
SS rules might need some addition, if i remember right i was reading something about som guy Suazo joining us on acmilan.com...
Btw, you are loosing our bet, right? :p017:
If we dont make some signings (or if we do it oliveira style) i cant wait to see what will be the excuse for it, when we start failing in our scudetto campaign again. And then we'll sign pato in january, climb to second spot in serieA (which will be our priority by then) and loose out on semi-finals or finals in CL - season will be saved (we will get to play in CL and juve wont, huh!), milan wont need any signings next year :D
ForeverMilan
19-07-2007, 12:26
Before Nesta saga,He also said We had Roque Junior,he was a world champion e.t.c.in the end ,he got Nesta.
i think we will just sign PATO.
Warro Bantan
19-07-2007, 12:29
I might indeed end up losing the bet peters...but you cant win em all can you? :D
Hasan Rossonero
19-07-2007, 12:43
In other news my index finger is gigantic now from all the page refreshing. :stupid: :D
Being either a liar or a strategic genious, the point is that the guy really talks too much, and that's a very annoying stuff.
Warro Bantan
19-07-2007, 12:50
Are you sure you are using that finger correctly Hasan? :grinser:
Hasan Rossonero
19-07-2007, 12:52
Are you sure you are using that finger correctly Hasan? :grinser:
:D
Well I could use the middle finger a lot more after the transfer campaign, but my New Year's resolution was to swear less.
Warro Bantan
19-07-2007, 12:53
Don't get too caught up with what Galliani's been saying, he has said that at least every transfer market a few times. If Galliani does not sign a world-class striker by the end of the transfer window I can see a major strike happening at Via Turati asking for his chop. 2 poor summer transfer windows in a row can not be tolerated for a team with high ambitions as Milan.
Let's just give him time and space to do what he does best. We know for sure that he is in Barca for one purpose only: to get a player. It could even be Zambrotta (which I would take over Dinho/Eto'o any time any day) so just hang in there for now Glad you ended your post like that hitmann...but the first part...hmmmm...how can he be blamed, when as far as we know, he is just the messenger? Its Berlu´s money, and final say, as far as we know.
Galliani should simply ignore all the press questions, that would be the right thing to do. After all, the man is payed to make business, not to the entertain the press with his silly jokes.
When he is quiet, the same people complain saying he doesn't 'flex his muscle' in the market. It's just a case of people not knowing what they want...as usual.
Warro Bantan
19-07-2007, 13:07
So lets make a summary here:
(1) R10 and Etoo are not coming, we are fine, we need no one, least of all, attackers.
(2) A big name will arrive in August
(3) Galliani should keep us updated as to whats going on
(4) Galliani talks too much, and should just act, and shut up
(5) We need R10
(6) We need defenders, not a huge spend for R10
Wow. Talk about diversity...still, thats what makes the world go round.
My two cents: Galliani is purposely giving misleading information to the press, as he works feverishly to secure Oliveira´s replacement.
Bosniaco
19-07-2007, 13:16
He better be kidding....
ACMILAN1983
19-07-2007, 13:25
I got to give credit to Galliani, the way he's been playing absoloutely everyone (including me) this summer is genius in itself.
Truth is right now I don't know who or what to expect, so many contradictions, not just between the management but individuals themselves, it's impossible to know what will happen.
I still think someone is already lined up. Bear in mind that despite Galliani saying we won't be able to get R10 or Eto'o, he has also said that he doesn't talk about the "previous night" the "next morning", so who's to say that he's telling the truth. After all, who was the one that also said that they can't always keep their word?
Best bet is to wait until August 31.
Warro Bantan
19-07-2007, 13:30
Best bet is to wait until August 31.
Amen to that...and a couple of allelujahs as well!! :p017:
I can understand the anger here, although not completely, but i feel that some of you are really pushing it with your statements.
Forgive my ignorance if something of what i'm about to say is wrong, and please forgive the arrogance, if you think i'll be arrogant.
Although, it won't be Tony29 who'll be arrogant but an Italian Milan fan.
I was reading some posts of Italian AC Milan fans regarding the latest Galliani statement and i really like what they said :
First of all, you're attacking the guy (Galliani) for not doing a good enough job. Ok, attacks about saying one thing today and another tomorrow are deserved, but you can't attack him for not bringing you R10.
Who are the attack stars you hope will arrive ? Sheva, R10, Eto'o and Drogba !
Where do this men play, guys ?
Yes, Barcelona and Chelsea.
If Barcelona and Chelsea don't want to sell, how the hell do you expect Galliani to buy them ? Abramovich is as rich as Berlu, Barcelona is super reach team. You ask for their players they say NO. You offer more money they say no, you offer even more they say F--- off !
You can say Berlu can buy anything with his money. Well, so can Calderon. Would you sell Kaka to Real for amazing 130m euro ? Money buy everything, it's 130m euro we're talking about. Why isn't Calderon buying Kaka then ?
These are all very rich clubs, the most reach and the best clubs in Europe. You can't buy Sheva from Roman if he doesn't want to sell, you can't buy r10 from Laporta and you can't buy Kaka from Berlu if they have no intention to sell.
On the other side, you have youngsters like Pato and Cavani who play for teams that aren't at the same level as Milan.
To remind you, together with Aguero and Dos Santos, Pato and Cavani are by far the best u-20 attackers in the world. If you buy both of them then you'll have 2 of the best 4 world's young attackers. They are a risk, i know, but if everyone tips them to become great and if they do become great (which, eventhough far from certain, is a big possibility) you'd be getting a top attack for the next 10 years. Add Ronnie, Gila, Pippo and you're more than ok for the next season. Also, you have the best young european midfielder, Gourcuff....... if i'm not wrong you wanted rejuvenating, now you're getting it and you're not satisfied.
Squad depth is needed in Milan, not stars, because you have enough of them (Ronaldo, Kaka, Nesta, Pirlo, Gattuso)
Pato, Cavani, Emerson, another midfielder and 2 more defenders FOR THE BENCH and Milan is again a favorite to win the treble, or in your case the pentable.
Hasan Rossonero
19-07-2007, 13:36
This is exactly what I was saying Tony 29...we need 3 signings in key areas, and we are complete.
I will be more than happy then. I do think, however, that our squad currently is way too thin to compete for the pentable.
This is exactly what I was saying Tony 29...we need 3 signings in key areas, and we are complete.
I will be more than happy then. I do think, however, that our squad currently is way too thin to compete for the pentable.
Currently it's too thin to compete in serie A and CL, not to mention Coppa, Coppa intercontinentale and supercoppa.
But with 5-6 players for the bench, you'll be in top seed again.
Dida
Oddo-Nesta-Kaladze-Janku
Gattuso-Pirlo-Kaka-Seedorf
Ronaldo-Gila
This is the first team and it's a classy team, easily the best in the world. But on the bench you're really thin.
If you have these 11 on the bench, then it's another story :
Any Gk
Cafu / new RB as a replacement for Oddo-Bonera-Maldini- New LB or Serginho
Gourcuff-Emerson (New) - Ambrosini - Another New mid
Pato (New)-Inzaghi/ Cavani (New)
And plus Simic, Brocchi and few more players for some really unimportant matches.
Actually, for the first team you may only need to add Zambrotta while Janku will be on the bench and if you add Emerson, Pato, Cavani, another midfielder bencher and another defender for the bench then it will be a scarry team.
You're right Hasan, you need no stars at all. What you need are players like Emerson, Pato etc for the bench.
A few years ago (and i'm sure some people here will remember) Galliani said that we'd definately sign one of Figo, Ronaldo and a third big name player (might have been Rivaldo/Roberto Carlos).
He fed us lie after lie about we'd secure one of them and we got none of them.
It's all very well saying a soundbyte here and a soundbyte there, but in the end he's only making himself and the club look like they don't know what they're doing. This has a knock-on effect on the fans who lose confidence in the club. I wouldn't mind if everything he said was consistent, but it's not. It's all contridictary and makes him look a little bit silly. Which is a shame as it tarnishes the other work he does for the club.
My hope for seeing a star striker has disappeared and my hope for seeing either a good striker or a young talent is fading fast. As for my hopes of seeing another midfielder to go into the starting 11 and some new defenders, well they vanished months ago :delol:
Currently it's too thin to compete in serie A and CL, not to mention Coppa, Coppa intercontinentale and supercoppa.
But with 5-6 players for the bench, you'll be in top seed again.
Dida
Oddo-Nesta-Kaladze-Janku
Gattuso-Pirlo-Kaka-Seedorf
Ronaldo-Gila
This is the first team and it's a classy team, easily the best in the world. But on the bench you're really thin.
If you have these 11 on the bench, then it's another story :
Any Gk
Cafu / new RB as a replacement for Oddo-Bonera-Maldini- New LB or Serginho
Gourcuff-Emerson (New) - Ambrosini - Another New mid
Pato (New)-Inzaghi/ Cavani (New)
And plus Simic, Brocchi and few more players for some really unimportant matches.
Actually, for the first team you may only need to add Zambrotta while Janku will be on the bench and if you add Emerson, Pato, Cavani, another midfielder bencher and another defender for the bench then it will be a scarry team.
You're right Hasan, you need no stars at all. What you need are players like Emerson, Pato etc for the bench.
I disagree with idea of signing both Cavani and Pato then use them both directly in this season. They need many matches to develop. Ronaldo Gila would play regularly. If Gila can't play or needs rest, Inzaghi will play. If we sign only one young player, Pato, he can compete with Inzaghi to fulfill Gila's spot (even the chance is not so big) but if there is time to change Ronaldo, Pato has bigger chance then Inzaghi to play in Ronaldo's position (as he could play wide just like Ronaldo did last season when partnering with Gila) which means, Pato would still has big chance to play many matches. But not with Cavani, especially if Pato also comes to Milan. What I've read in our forum, Cavani seems like a Gila or Inzaghi type.
Hasan Rossonero
19-07-2007, 14:18
Parma leave Rossi in limbo
Thursday 19 July, 2007
Just as Manchester United release Giuseppe Rossi, Parma state they no longer want the starlet, while Milan are keeping track of the Carlos Tevez saga.
Under-21 international Rossi spent the last six months of the season on loan at the Stadio Tardini, where his nine goals in 16 games proved decisive in avoiding relegation.
Now Sir Alex Ferguson has hinted that the forward will be sent away from Old Trafford yet again, most likely back to Italy.
“We have had offers for Giuseppe, which puts us in a bit of a situation,” said Ferguson.
“I have to look at Manchester United in terms of how do we improve to get better. And when someone like Tevez comes along, it makes it difficult for people like Alan Smith and Giuseppe in particular.”
However, on the same day Parma slammed the door on a bid to extend Rossi’s stay.
“Parma’s attack does not need reinforcements for the moment,” announced director of sport Zamagna.
“There are many strikers in pre-season training and we will in time evaluate whether we need something extra later on.”
Rossi has other contenders for his signature, though, such as Claudio Ranieri’s Juventus and newly promoted Napoli.
Manchester United are also caught up in another Serie A connection, as Milan are said to be keeping a close eye on the unfolding Tevez saga.
The Argentine has agreed a move to United, but West Ham are blocking his medical and FIFA have been called in to arbitrate.
It has not been entirely clarified who owns Tevez’s contract – West Ham or adviser Kia Joorabchian’s company MSI.
If the tale drags on and Manchester United back out or lose their case, then Milan are reportedly prepared to dive in with a firm offer to tempt him to San Siro.
Tevez had also been in advanced negotiations with Inter earlier this summer, but they dropped the talks when he refused to meet their deadline for making a decision.
It’s believed that Italian rules would have less of an issue with Tevez’s unusual ownership status than the Premier League.
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I disagree with idea of signing both Cavani and Pato then use them both directly in this season. They need many matches to develop. Ronaldo Gila would play regularly. If Gila can't play or needs rest, Inzaghi will play. If we sign only one young player, Pato, he can compete with Inzaghi to fulfill Gila's spot (even the chance is not so big) but if there is time to change Ronaldo, Pato has bigger chance then Inzaghi to play in Ronaldo's position (as he could play wide just like Ronaldo did last season when partnering with Gila) which means, Pato would still has big chance to play many matches. But not with Cavani, especially if Pato also comes to Milan. What I've read in our forum, Cavani seems like a Gila or Inzaghi type.Pato, if he signs, will come in January, or if the non-EU spot is taken by then, he'll only be secured and he'll join you in summer 2008. That's why you need another attacker. For now you only have Ronaldo, Gila and Inzaghi. If you're not signing a star, then i see no logic in signing some support striker just for the sake of it (like it was with RO).
Cavani really is a Gila type event though in Palermo he did play in SS role.
I think it'll be smart to sign both of them this year. One of them this summer while the other, Pato, in January. Maybe you won't have much use of both of them for this year and only one of them will be enough but next year (season 2008/09) Pipo will be 35 and we can not predict how much Pato and Cavani will cost, especially if they have a brilliant season.
Currently it's too thin to compete in serie A and CL, not to mention Coppa, Coppa intercontinentale and supercoppa.
But with 5-6 players for the bench, you'll be in top seed again.
Dida
Oddo-Nesta-Kaladze-Janku
Gattuso-Pirlo-Kaka-Seedorf
Ronaldo-Gila
This is the first team and it's a classy team, easily the best in the world. But on the bench you're really thin.
If you have these 11 on the bench, then it's another story :
Any Gk
Cafu / new RB as a replacement for Oddo-Bonera-Maldini- New LB or Serginho
Gourcuff-Emerson (New) - Ambrosini - Another New mid
Pato (New)-Inzaghi/ Cavani (New)
And plus Simic, Brocchi and few more players for some really unimportant matches.
Actually, for the first team you may only need to add Zambrotta while Janku will be on the bench and if you add Emerson, Pato, Cavani, another midfielder bencher and another defender for the bench then it will be a scarry team.
You're right Hasan, you need no stars at all. What you need are players like Emerson, Pato etc for the bench.
So you conclude that we don't need star players, Tony which is your opinion about taking Sheva?...
Hasan Rossonero
19-07-2007, 14:25
Pato, if he signs, will come in January, or if the non-EU spot is taken by then, he'll only be secured and he'll join you in summer 2008. That's why you need another attacker. For now you only have Ronaldo, Gila and Inzaghi. If you're not signing a star, then i see no logic in signing some support striker just for the sake of it (like it was with RO).
Cavani really is a Gila type event though in Palermo he did play in SS role.
I think it'll be smart to sign both of them this year. One of them this summer while the other, Pato, in January. Maybe you won't have much use of both of them for this year and only one of them will be enough but next year (season 2008/09) Pipo will be 35 and we can not predict how much Pato and Cavani will cost, especially if they have a brilliant season.
Tony, how many players and which players do you think Milan will sign this summer?
GilAttack [11]
19-07-2007, 14:29
Tevez now and Pato in january would be as good as it gets, always talking about possible and realistic scenarios. Wait....would that be realistic given their non-EU status? I doubt it.
Pato, if he signs, will come in January, or if the non-EU spot is taken by then, he'll only be secured and he'll join you in summer 2008. That's why you need another attacker. For now you only have Ronaldo, Gila and Inzaghi. If you're not signing a star, then i see no logic in signing some support striker just for the sake of it (like it was with RO).
Cavani really is a Gila type event though in Palermo he did play in SS role.
I think it'll be smart to sign both of them this year. One of them this summer while the other, Pato, in January. Maybe you won't have much use of both of them for this year and only one of them will be enough but next year (season 2008/09) Pipo will be 35 and we can not predict how much Pato and Cavani will cost, especially if they have a brilliant season.
Ah yeah, sorry, I forgot Pato almost cant come before he's 18. I understand your idea now.
Anyone has fact about Cavani (age, weight/height, videos etc)?
Edison Cavani
http://www.gazzetta.it/gazzetta/scalcio/ricerca_index.jhtml?PageToLoad=SchedaGiocatore&idAnagrafica=92412
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xlG8VjD02gI
Parma leave Rossi in limbo
Thursday 19 July, 2007
Just as Manchester United release Giuseppe Rossi, Parma state they no longer want the starlet, while Milan are keeping track of the Carlos Tevez saga.
Under-21 international Rossi spent the last six months of the season on loan at the Stadio Tardini, where his nine goals in 16 games proved decisive in avoiding relegation.
Now Sir Alex Ferguson has hinted that the forward will be sent away from Old Trafford yet again, most likely back to Italy.
“We have had offers for Giuseppe, which puts us in a bit of a situation,” said Ferguson.
“I have to look at Manchester United in terms of how do we improve to get better. And when someone like Tevez comes along, it makes it difficult for people like Alan Smith and Giuseppe in particular.”
However, on the same day Parma slammed the door on a bid to extend Rossi’s stay.
“Parma’s attack does not need reinforcements for the moment,” announced director of sport Zamagna.
“There are many strikers in pre-season training and we will in time evaluate whether we need something extra later on.”
Rossi has other contenders for his signature, though, such as Claudio Ranieri’s Juventus and newly promoted Napoli.
Manchester United are also caught up in another Serie A connection, as Milan are said to be keeping a close eye on the unfolding Tevez saga.
The Argentine has agreed a move to United, but West Ham are blocking his medical and FIFA have been called in to arbitrate.
It has not been entirely clarified who owns Tevez’s contract – West Ham or adviser Kia Joorabchian’s company MSI.
If the tale drags on and Manchester United back out or lose their case, then Milan are reportedly prepared to dive in with a firm offer to tempt him to San Siro.
Tevez had also been in advanced negotiations with Inter earlier this summer, but they dropped the talks when he refused to meet their deadline for making a decision.
It’s believed that Italian rules would have less of an issue with Tevez’s unusual ownership status than the Premier League.
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Yeah, new hopeles hope with Tevez. :grinser:
I actually dont care about the idea of signing big-name striker as we have already Ronaldo and Gilardino as our main strikers IF Galliani didnt promised to every single fan (which was also quoted on acmilan's official website) to bring a big-name striker to San Siro.
zlatanov
19-07-2007, 14:39
Edison Cavani
http://www.gazzetta.it/gazzetta/scalcio/ricerca_index.jhtml?PageToLoad=SchedaGiocatore&idAnagrafica=92412
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xlG8VjD02gI
gotta love the music on the youtube clip :grinser:
Edison Cavani
http://www.gazzetta.it/gazzetta/scalcio/ricerca_index.jhtml?PageToLoad=SchedaGiocatore&idAnagrafica=92412
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xlG8VjD02gI
Thanks, rezag for the sources. His body looks like Diego Forlan. But his height is ideal for a striker.
So you conclude that we don't need star players, Tony which is your opinion about taking Sheva?...
Having one of Dinho, Sheva, Drogba etc would be wonderful for Milan but it's far from "shameful mercato" if you don't get one of them. Like i said, it's really really hard to buy a superstar from Chelsea and Barcelona, and it's impossible to buy from there if they don't want to sell.
I still think Zambrotta, Pato and 3,4,5 more bench players could be more useful to Milan then buying Eto'o only (or any other star, even Ronaldinho)
As for Shevchenko, i don't want to mess there. He was special for Milan fans and you know better if he should come or not. If you're asking me about the possibility of taking him back then i must tell you i have no idea how possible it is. If Abramovich wants him to stay then it's impossible to get him but we don't know how does Roman feel about this.
Tony, how many players and which players do you think Milan will sign this summer?
You couldn't have asked a tougher question, could you ? :)
I think even Berlusconi and Galliani have no idea about this. Everything depends on how willing Barca and Chelsea are to sell. If a star is bought then i think not more than 3 players will be bought (not counting some cheap youngsters), if you don't buy a mega star then i expect at least 2 new attackers, 2 new midfielders and 2 new defenders... so 6 players, but not more than 1 for the starting XI.
i bet i know a current milan player that likes are new transfer senerio....
gila
Cavani's goals in serie A for Palermo :
http://youtube.com/watch?v=AqpJysJsOn0&mode=related&search= vs Fiorentina
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DWAXaOz5qRg&mode=related&search= vs Sampdoria
2 brilliant goals !
i bet i know a current milan player that likes are new transfer senerio....
gila
I really doubt that.Do you know Gila personal then?
I'm pretty sure Alberto prefers a few good players behind him than a bunch of amateurs.And I also think a strong competiton for a starting place up front would do all our strikers well.
So no Eto'o and Dinho for sure?Galliani can be such a lady dog. :grinser:
This Cavani guy, I haven't really heard or seen much of him.
So he's worth to give a go?
Too bad he's a Palermo player, always hard to negotiate with them.
So what are the leftovers :
-Quagliarella
-Rossi
-Tevez
-Sheva
-Cavani
Anyone else?
[QUOTE=Tony29.]Currently it's too thin to compete in serie A and CL, not to mention Coppa, Coppa intercontinentale and supercoppa.
But with 5-6 players for the bench, you'll be in top seed again.
Dida
Oddo-Nesta-Kaladze-Janku
Gattuso-Pirlo-Kaka-Seedorf
Ronaldo-Gila
Any Gk
Amelia
Cafu / new RB as a replacement for Oddo-Bonera-Maldini-
I would love to see Dani but someone else
New LB or Serginho
One of the most important needs, Zabrotta but even better a youngest one
Gourcuff-Emerson (New) - Ambrosini - Another New mid
Snejder, if we had grabbed Tiago would be perfect....
Pato (New)-Inzaghi/ Cavani (New)
Sheva, Quartelia or someone young
I really doubt that.Do you know Gila personal then?
I'm pretty sure Alberto prefers a few good players behind him than a bunch of amateurs.And I also think a strong competiton for a starting place up front would do all our strikers well.
youre correct competition for a starting place would be nice, however, i think, or yet, hopefull, that gila wants to be on the field.
its easy to deduce that he has an ego, and many people have commented on his "fragile" psyche... how would his "mental" state hold up to being the 3rd, possible fourth striker option?
i agree with tony and others that we don't need starters, just players for squad depth.
i think we need 3 players to be competitive. the names given are just my favourites and i'm sure there are many others who could offer the same.
striker (pato)
dm (emerson)
fb (pasqual)
i wish milan would do the necessary business a bit earlier, i think having all players ready when pre season starts should be something we should not have to talk about.
i don't think galliani is the best man for the job anymore. starting last season with only cafu as available rb (simic and brocchi are no more than emergeny substitutes as they don't have the same qualities as cafu or oddo) clearly showed to me that he lost it. if he says kaka is a striker that is fine with me but then he has to buy 2 midfilders instead of one. that fact he just forgets.
sometimes i get the impression galliani would like it best when has to buy none. sure he was great in the past but i think we need some fresh inputs in this department. i don't say we should get rid of galliani sompletely but maybe he should hand over the transfer duties to someone more enthusiastic about it like leonardo (with braida as the one who hammers out the contract details after a basic agreement has been reached)
I can understand the anger here, although not completely, but i feel that some of you are really pushing it with your statements.
Forgive my ignorance if something of what i'm about to say is wrong, and please forgive the arrogance, if you think i'll be arrogant.
Although, it won't be Tony29 who'll be arrogant but an Italian Milan fan.
I was reading some posts of Italian AC Milan fans regarding the latest Galliani statement and i really like what they said :
First of all, you're attacking the guy (Galliani) for not doing a good enough job. Ok, attacks about saying one thing today and another tomorrow are deserved, but you can't attack him for not bringing you R10.
Who are the attack stars you hope will arrive ? Sheva, R10, Eto'o and Drogba !
Where do this men play, guys ?
Yes, Barcelona and Chelsea.
If Barcelona and Chelsea don't want to sell, how the hell do you expect Galliani to buy them ? Abramovich is as rich as Berlu, Barcelona is super reach team. You ask for their players they say NO. You offer more money they say no, you offer even more they say F--- off !
You can say Berlu can buy anything with his money. Well, so can Calderon. Would you sell Kaka to Real for amazing 130m euro ? Money buy everything, it's 130m euro we're talking about. Why isn't Calderon buying Kaka then ?
These are all very rich clubs, the most reach and the best clubs in Europe. You can't buy Sheva from Roman if he doesn't want to sell, you can't buy r10 from Laporta and you can't buy Kaka from Berlu if they have no intention to sell.
On the other side, you have youngsters like Pato and Cavani who play for teams that aren't at the same level as Milan.
To remind you, together with Aguero and Dos Santos, Pato and Cavani are by far the best u-20 attackers in the world. If you buy both of them then you'll have 2 of the best 4 world's young attackers. They are a risk, i know, but if everyone tips them to become great and if they do become great (which, eventhough far from certain, is a big possibility) you'd be getting a top attack for the next 10 years. Add Ronnie, Gila, Pippo and you're more than ok for the next season. Also, you have the best young european midfielder, Gourcuff....... if i'm not wrong you wanted rejuvenating, now you're getting it and you're not satisfied.
Squad depth is needed in Milan, not stars, because you have enough of them (Ronaldo, Kaka, Nesta, Pirlo, Gattuso)
Pato, Cavani, Emerson, another midfielder and 2 more defenders FOR THE BENCH and Milan is again a favorite to win the treble, or in your case the pentable.
You're missing the point....regardless of the condition of the present squad or our ability to compete ....we were promised /told (however you evil juventinos choose to swing it :D ) A BIG NAME PLAYER. that's all it's the principle.....it we were going to buy the player that fits into our squad then I doubt any would have minded if he said that instead :d55:
hitmannq8
19-07-2007, 16:20
A few years ago (and i'm sure some people here will remember) Galliani said that we'd definately sign one of Figo, Ronaldo and a third big name player (might have been Rivaldo/Roberto Carlos).
He fed us lie after lie about we'd secure one of them and we got none of them.
It's all very well saying a soundbyte here and a soundbyte there, but in the end he's only making himself and the club look like they don't know what they're doing. This has a knock-on effect on the fans who lose confidence in the club. I wouldn't mind if everything he said was consistent, but it's not. It's all contridictary and makes him look a little bit silly. Which is a shame as it tarnishes the other work he does for the club.
My hope for seeing a star striker has disappeared and my hope for seeing either a good striker or a young talent is fading fast. As for my hopes of seeing another midfielder to go into the starting 11 and some new defenders, well they vanished months ago :delol:
So sad yet so true. I for one dont like how our management deals for players but I have no right to take, they have been successful in recent years (even tho I still think with better transfers we could have been even better). Does anyone know the buy-out clause for Lio Messi? If they're willing to spend 100+ million on a 28 year old Dinho, it might just be wiser to spend the same amount on a 20 yr-old that is soon to dominate the world of football. Besides, does anyone know how this buy-out clause works? Say if we paid the full amount for Messi (125m i believe), Barca could not say no right?
Besides, does anyone know how this buy-out clause works? Say if we paid the full amount for Messi (125m i believe), Barca could not say no right?
I think your right, but the player also has to agree. :)
Graeme C
19-07-2007, 16:41
i agree that milan shouldnt pay stupid amounts of money to barca and chelsea to get players. In recent years chelsea and real are the reasons for the stupid transfer costs that have got out of control. Dealing with Real is like dealing with the devil (if there is one), wonders if there is a clause in which im going to loose a kidney or something.
However i do think Milan has to buy and spend some cash, atm i think Rossi is a pretty good option.. But i can see parma beating us to him. Reason is if Inzaghi has one good season left in him we could try and get Huntelaar for next season without having 3 same type players at the same time. Wonders what the stam deal did for Milan, if anything...
Amelia would be nice, and not tooo expesive. Seems they have too much faith in Fiori and kalac tho. And rumours are he could be leaving seria a for russia :S
Chiellini/ Zambrotta, Maresca. Not tooo greedy. Think you could get all thos for under £20 mill (chiellini £9 mill, zambrotta 7, Maresca 4) i duno. Then im happy.
A few years ago (and i'm sure some people here will remember) Galliani said that we'd definately sign one of Figo, Ronaldo and a third big name player (might have been Rivaldo/Roberto Carlos).
He fed us lie after lie about we'd secure one of them and we got none of them.
It's all very well saying a soundbyte here and a soundbyte there, but in the end he's only making himself and the club look like they don't know what they're doing. This has a knock-on effect on the fans who lose confidence in the club. I wouldn't mind if everything he said was consistent, but it's not. It's all contridictary and makes him look a little bit silly. Which is a shame as it tarnishes the other work he does for the club.
My hope for seeing a star striker has disappeared and my hope for seeing either a good striker or a young talent is fading fast. As for my hopes of seeing another midfielder to go into the starting 11 and some new defenders, well they vanished months ago
Great post (as usual Jim) :respect:
Warro Bantan
19-07-2007, 16:59
Hello class!! Thanks for choosing "Silly Season 101"...my name is Warro Bantan, Mr Bantan to the gents, "Daddy Warro" to the ladies.
For those new to the business of "il mercato" let me try to break it down...real simple like:
1.) Milan always try to sign top talent...sometimes they get good players, Rui, $heva, Kaka etc....sometimes they dont...Rivaldo, Vieri
2.) Once Milan declares an interest in a player, his price automatically increases proportionally to what the selling club perceives as our level of need, ie huge money for Oliviera vs little or nothing for Kaka (bad example, but work with it):D
3.) Milan tends to give a lot of misinformation with regard to who we will purchase, who we wont, and who we are "interested in", and who we could care less about.
4.) Berlusconi makes the decisions as to whom to buy, once its above a certain amount, money wise...and if he thinks the player wants Milan..and if Berlu wants him enuf, then money is no objet...Milan will get the player...may I use MVB as an example?
5.) The market has changed a lot since the 90s...Milan are no longer one of a few clubs worldwide with almost unlimited resources...Chelski, Real Madrid are only two example of clubs who in the 90s, couldnt compete with Milan in the transfer market, but now, are even, if not greater in terms of spending power.
6.) Player power has increased to the point where a club can no longer sell a player against his wishes...eg. Saviola at Barca...he had a nice salary, and despite being loaned out, spent last season on the bench, even after having been told he was surplus to requirements...I hope he scores a hattrick vs Barc every time they play Madrid for as long as he plays for Madrid...but I digress... :diablo:
7.) The economic regulations in Italy do not make it easier to compete with Spain and England, due to higher taxation of salaries, so its more difficult (but not impossible) to get players on high wages to come to Italy.
8.) We are in the first month of a two month window for transfers...there is still time
9.) R10 has not renewed his contract with Barca, so, despite all that has been said, impossible is nothing...or should that be its therefore not impossible for us to buy him..as long as he desires the move (And Berlu wants to pay the buy out clause)
10.) We only have one non-EU spot, depending on who we purchse..and this is impacting the decision making process big time
11.) Milan has targets, that only Braida, Berlu, Leonardo, and Galliani know for sure (of course those close to them will also know, but none of the aforementioned post on MM to my knowledge)
12.) All the "available" talent hasnt been "removed" from the range of transfer possibilities, either thru recent transfer, or by renewing contracts.
13.) This time of year is called "silly season" for several reasons, of which I will include only a few here:
a) It drives the media into "speculation frenzy"
b) It drives fans to distractions, internet addictions, frequent refreshing, and sleepless nites.
c) Rumors fly more densely than flies over Drucurls curls
Ok, phew...lets hope some of the more inexperienced posters read this, and for fellow veterans, please feel free to add to "Silly Season 101".
Any questions? No? Class dismissed. :uhm:
our board is just talking talking blablablabla that's all...
LESS TALKING MORE ACTING
if carlo and galliani truely believe they can win supercup, serie A, champions league without any reinforcements? then they are really blinded by kaka!
kaka is world bes player. but kaka cant do everything thats their problem :|
why does it takes so long?
1)talk with club for starting ngotiations with player
2)come to agree with player
3)do offer to club
4)we got em
follow these steps, they always do their own way and what did it for milan? 2 seasons without any reinforcements
real asks 15mil€ for baptista... why wait?
has ge hot eu pasport btw?
Thank you for this wonderful, enlightening breakdown on the inner workings of the transfer market. I'm sure our management just had an Issac Newton-like getting-hit-on-the-head-with-an-apple moment.
PS: Maybe our definitions of the word 'reinforcements' differ, but to my knowledge Oddo, Ronaldo, Bonera, Gourcuff, and Favalli have all been reinforcements.
i agree that milan shouldnt pay stupid amounts of money to barca and chelsea to get players. In recent years chelsea and real are the reasons for the stupid transfer costs that have got out of control. Dealing with Real is like dealing with the devil (if there is one), wonders if there is a clause in which im going to loose a kidney or something.
However i do think Milan has to buy and spend some cash, atm i think Rossi is a pretty good option.. But i can see parma beating us to him. Reason is if Inzaghi has one good season left in him we could try and get Huntelaar for next season without having 3 same type players at the same time. Wonders what the stam deal did for Milan, if anything...
Amelia would be nice, and not tooo expesive. Seems they have too much faith in Fiori and kalac tho. And rumours are he could be leaving seria a for russia :S
Chiellini/ Zambrotta, Maresca. Not tooo greedy. Think you could get all thos for under £20 mill (chiellini £9 mill, zambrotta 7, Maresca 4) i duno. Then im happy.
You are absolutely right!
Are you saying Kalac might go to Russia? :p017:
Since we are not able to get a superstar, let's hurry up before all the good players are gone. :grinser:
Zambrotta can cover us at LB and RB, he is not needed at Barca and would probably cost us not much more than 10mil Euros.
If we use another 40mil we can go shopping in Italia and buy ourselves another defender, a couple of midfielders and an attacker.
Another one on Cavani.
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=357122
GilAttack [11]
19-07-2007, 17:02
In spite of Galliani getting annoying with his comments, especially regarding a big present for Milan's fans, let me tell you he & the team hardly look like they dont know what they are doing. Moreover, how can you make that comment when the team just won the UCL? And for next season, we have the same squad plus Ronaldo, who rediscovered himself here or sort of. They hardly look stupid.
Are the fans losing confidence regarding Milan Management? As long as we keep winning something here and there, and making it to the last stages of UCL we shouldnt feel dissapointed.
What is true is that you have to take Galliani's words with a grain of salt or, better yet, dont listen to them.
Some players will arrive, probably not those we expected (like Ronaldinho, or Eto'o or Drogba) but we will remain a powerful side and thats in part (big part) thanks to our management.
Graeme C
19-07-2007, 17:02
amelia to russia unfortunately which sucks. 40 mill in italy is plenty for what we need.
Hasnt Palermo said Cavani is not moving?
amelia to russia unfortunately which sucks. 40 mill in italy is plenty for what we need.
Hasnt Palermo said Cavani is not moving?
Amelia to Russia? :mad:
What a dissapointment, I thought you meant Kalac. :zany:
In Palermo they always say their players are not for sale.
Graeme C
19-07-2007, 17:08
']In spite of Galliani getting annoying with his comments, especially regarding a big present for Milan's fans, let me tell you he & the team hardly look like they dont know what they are doing. Moreover, how can you make that comment when the team just won the UCL? And for next season, we have the same squad plus Ronaldo, who rediscovered himself here or sort of. They hardly look stupid.
Are the fans losing confidence regarding Milan Management? As long as we keep winning something here and there, and making it to the last stages of UCL we shouldnt feel dissapointed.
What is true is that you have to take Galliani's words with a grain of salt or, better yet, dont listen to them.
Some players will arrive, probably not those we expected (like Ronaldinho, or Eto'o or Drogba) but we will remain a powerful side and thats in part (big part) thanks to our management.
i wouldnt say losing faith, just like a parent of a under achieving kid, you know they could do better, and you want them to do the best as they can. Buy them a new computer, pens and paper and stuff to help them learn and stuff.
We were lucky winning champ league and getting 4th spot ( i am actually happy about it). Ronaldo is good, but i wouldnt put all our hopes on him (like ben kenobi). What if he has another bad injury and all we have is pippo and gila?
GilAttack [11]
19-07-2007, 17:20
i wouldnt say losing faith, just like a parent of a under achieving kid, you know they could do better, and you want them to do the best as they can. Buy them a new computer, pens and paper and stuff to help them learn and stuff.
We were lucky winning champ league and getting 4th spot ( i am actually happy about it). Ronaldo is good, but i wouldnt put all our hopes on him (like ben kenobi). What if he has another bad injury and all we have is pippo and gila?
I said we need reinforcements, but track record is on management' side so its kinda hard to argue with them.
Doing better is related to winning important games, cups, not buying players. You can hardly do better than Chelsea when it comes to signing players, but you sure as hell you can do much better than them achieving goals.
And also I said signing Tevez now and Pato in january would be almost ideal, so its not like Im taking things for granted either. There is room for improvement, and someone will arrive because we need to fill some holes (We are one or two fowards short, for example).
Dont forget Oddo was important to our UCL success and he arrived because we had some hole on that right flank. So if they can improve our squad, they will do so.
Warro Bantan
19-07-2007, 17:29
from theGuardian....
QUOTE OF THE DAY
"What I do at night, I don't talk about in the morning" - did Milan vice-president Adriano Galliani just misunderstand a hack's innocent question about whether he planned to buy Samuel Eto'o, or has his courting taken a more fruity turn?
:haha: these guys KILL me!! :lol:
Zambrotta can cover us at LB and RB, he is not needed at Barca and would probably cost us not much more than 10mil Euros.
It's not that Zambrotta is not needed in Barcelona, but i think Barcelona would be willing to do bussiness in this case and he'll be easier to get than Dinho or Eto'o. But i still think Barcelona will hardly sell him cheap. People say that he had a bad season in Barcelona and i don't agree with that. He was good and he was very good in the second part of the season. Barcelona bought him for 14m, from a serie B team in desperate need of cash and if they sell him they'll ask for smthg similar (*)
Zambrotta is still the best full back Barcelona has and i disagree that they don't need him.
Abidal and Sylvinho are the left backs
Oleguer and Belletti will be the right backs if Zambrotta leaves (Thuram and Puyol no longer play as right backs, they are CD's)
You see, they do need him. But like i said, i believe a good offer could make them sell Zambro. Less than 10m isn't a good offer and Barca won't accept it, imo.
* the official price was 14m euro but unofficially it was 19m. Barcelona bought both Thuram and Zambrotta for 19m but since noone wanted Thuram and his huge wages and Juve wanted to get rid of him, Barcelona decided to take him in package with Zambrotta but to pay only for Zambrotta. So there were rumours that all these 19m were actually for Zambrotta while they got Thuram for free.
Warro Bantan
19-07-2007, 17:51
Let me thank you Tony29, for your frequent injections of reality from an "outside" perspective.
Some of us here have been acting like my 2 year old...
Warro Bantan
19-07-2007, 17:56
Nice pic of Etoo....looks good in red and black doesnt he?
Click here (http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=477619&CPID=21&clid=120&lid=8&title=Eto'o+confirms+Milan+liking )
Some of us here have been acting like my 2 year old...
Maybe they think the same thing of you, Warro. :)
Warro Bantan
19-07-2007, 18:13
Thats fine with me Siregar! ;)
RE your points captain Warro it's clear that you ARE the oil that keeps the wheels of Berlu's propaganda machine running smoothly :zany:
1.) Agreed
2.) Agreed but that happens to every big club so it's a non-issue...
3.) I have issues with this. It's dishonest and upsetting.
4.) agreed
5.) Again a none issue unless you're implying that Milan is no longer capable of swimming with the big fish
6.) Again this affects all clubs again not an excuse...(and I hope Saviola scores hat tricks too :1five: )
7.) Tell that to Inter
8.) We are in the first month of a two month window for transfers...there is still time and:
Tevez
Nani
Anderson
Klose
Torres :(
Makaay :yuck:
Hargreaves
Pizzaro
Suazo
Henry
Aliadre
are all gone
Eto'o and Ronaldinho aside the only big star on available is Quaresma and guess who have been linked to him.....that's right Liverpool :wallbang:
Cavani, Rossi, Quagliarella and Pato are promising players but have proven nothing yet. cASSano and Adriano are players that have showed some promise but are mentally unstable.
9.) R10 has not renewed his contract with Barca, so, despite all that has been said, impossible is nothing...or should that be its therefore not impossible for us to buy him..as long as he desires the move (And Berlu wants to pay the buy out clause)
10.) agreed
11.) no proof of this ...however logical it might be
12.) Kindly list the available "big names"
13.) This time of year is called "silly season" for several reasons, of which I will include only a few here:
a) agreed
b) agreed
c) my curls are all natural (offers a curl to a horrified Warro to touch :grinser: )
I think your course is taught at the South Harmony Institute of Technology :rotfl:
Hasan Rossonero
19-07-2007, 18:54
@Warro
nice list. One thing...England AND Italy are at a disadvantage fiscally when compared to Spain. The difference between the two countries isn't that much. I read an article on it in Gazzetta.
remote2book
19-07-2007, 19:29
hey hassan .....where you from buddy?
Hasan Rossonero
19-07-2007, 21:52
Today's Gazzetta insists that what Galliani said yesterday was obviously not the language of surrender.
They insist that Milan's #1 objective is Eto'o, and Berlu has given the ok for 50 million euros. Berlu wanted Sheva or Dinho, but has been/is convinced that Eto'o would fit better in the Milan system. Gazzetta maintains that Galliani did meet with Barca officials, and that Milan will wait before further negotiating this difficult project.
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Gazzetta is considered pro-Milan, but is very reliable. Even fans of other teams have grudging respect for it according to many of my Italian friends.
GilAttack [11]
19-07-2007, 22:11
Whats the point of going after a player that is reluctant to join your team/leave his current environment?
Gazzetta is considered pro-Milan, but is very reliable. Even fans of other teams have grudging respect for it according to many of my Italian friends.
Gazzetta is certainly much more reliable than Tuttosport and the likes and plus there are couple of great journalists writing there and it's a great everyday reading.....but this goes for everything not connected to Milan.
When they write about Milan i always take them with a reserve, especially pre-Calciopoli and even more during Calciopoli and the way they threated Milan back then. Post Calciopoli i think smthg happened and somehow Inter became another Gazzetta pet but Milan is still #1 for them.
About the transfers no doubt they are better informed what will Milan do, compared to the other papers, but they are keen on exaggerating and they always write what Milan fans want to hear, but most of the times it turns out to be far from the truth.
In this case though, i think they aren't far from the truth. I believe Milan won't easily give up and your team will really do everything to buy a star attacker.
Hasan Rossonero
19-07-2007, 22:41
Oh and one more thing...Leonardo is said to have met with Eto'o in South Africa yesterday. (Gazzetta newspaper)
hitmannq8
20-07-2007, 04:09
Didn't Eto'o say things like "Milan can only have a picture of me because me and Ronaldinho are staying for sure"? Im pretty sure he did say some crap that was deemed too offensive for us Milanistas. That alone made me put an X on Eto'o.
I honestly have no clue what our management have under their sleeve. Here's whats happened so far:
DINHO:
1- He has been discussing a contract renewal for a couple of years and hasn't signed yet and his current contract expires in 2010. Nobody knows why is it taking so long.
2- Since January, Berlu has been talking about signing Ronaldinho next summer. Galliani has hinted at it too. They said they will try everything in their power to get him.
3- He is happy with Henry's arrival and does not mind competition with Messi, Eto, and Thierry.
4- He has been in Milan for "shopping" with his agent 2 weeks ago.
5- Ronaldinho has not commented on Milan's interest since 2 match days before La Liga ended. Since then he said he was happy where he was and doesn't want to leave.
ETO'O:
1- Rumours on him started gathering as soon as Dinho kept rejecting us and he was our second choice.
2- He is very fast to shoot down any rumours of him being linked to Milan.
3- Our management have iterated over and over for the past month that the primary objective is Eto'o.
4- Yesterday Galliani says Dinho and Eto'o aren't leaving Barca.
5- Eto'o commented about Milan's interest saying he's proud of it but does not want to change Barca. Even if Barca accepts the offer he wants to stay there.
IMO it is very clear from Eto'os comments that he does NOT want to come to us, I really don't want to have a player like that here. I hope he ends up only being a smokescreen for someone else (mind you, everyone else we linked to is a couple of levels lower than him in "world-class"ness). We also know Galliani is in Barcelona now. I wish we could invest in Zambrotta, I dont care how old he is but he is going to be so important given his versatility.
we need only one signing - a replacement for galliani :)
I bet we would win a few trophies next season if we could sign someone on that position :D
Gabriel489
20-07-2007, 04:23
Wow, one day Galliani said we are signing someone big and everyone is happy and the next day he said no big signing and everyone is screaming at him and wanting him to resign. Gees people calm down. I think we all should know by now that Galliani is the best liar in the world and he loves pouring posion in our ears.
Another pt is that, as Hasan and Tony29 already stated, Milan probably does not need superstars at the moment, as the team are already full of superstars.
To all those disagree, think about it, the starting 11 for Milan at the CL finals match. Try to list 3 players that are better at that positions and then think about are those three players available or not? Quite frankly, most of them are not, so what can Milan do.
I find that a lot of us here are someone who say one thing and do the other. When Real is giving us offer for Kaka, we curse at Real and Calderon, but thats the same thing we are doing to teams like Chelsea, Barcelona, Palermo and others whenever Galliani mentions or hints at someone Milan is interest in, so by denying or lying about not signing a big stars, in a way, Galliani is showing his class. Which is something we all should respect, as we have a VP that is not a lowball player likes the othe clubs.
I can see that some of you might be mad at Galli and others lying but this is the transfer season, and most if not all of the infos cannot be taken seriously. Lets wait till the last day of the transfer season and see how Milan is at that time. If nothing happens and Galli and others come out and say that the squad is as good as it gets... then we can all call for Galli's head, but not now.
Lastly, I think Milan need squad players at the moment as their bench is really not as strong as it could. Thats why I think Galli did went to Barcelona and probably was discussing Motta and Zambrotta instead of Dinho and Eto. Hopefully Milan can sign 2 strikers, 1 Attk Mid, 1 def. Mid and 2 SB. Then the team will be more complete.
SO if Milan is to sign someone like Pato and Cavani upfront, with Emerson/Motta at midfield, all they need is an attk mid and 2 SB(Chellini and Zambrotta) and I would be happy.
I still don't understand why we've been so insistent on two players that don't seem too enthusiastic about joining us. I hope at some point we would have at least enquired about David Villa. Valencia would be easier to deal with than either Madrid or Barcelona. It's surely worth a little time spent over it.
GilAttack, if Galliani was your boss at work and you heard him say all these things, things that nearly everyday contradicted himself, wouldn't you start to lose a bit of confidence in him? Especially if you were promised something (in this analogy lets say it's a payrise) and then he goes back on his word, then he promises it again, then goes back on it, etc etc. It's not the best way to conduct yourself is it.
Ever since Dinho to Milan rumours started, I was against the transfer. The money spent on one superstar like that could be used much better to enhance squad depth. There are more pressing needs than a superstar attacker in Milan.
The problem with Galliani is not that he fails to bring Eto'o or Drogba or someone like that - he did not bring ANYONE to reinforce the squad (I am nout counting Ba as a reinforcement). I'd be more than happy with Chivu, Emerson and Pato. No need for superstars. But he's not capable to do that, obviously.
Thats why I think Galli did went to Barcelona and probably was discussing Motta and Zambrotta instead of Dinho and Eto
This is what really infuriates me. We seem happy enough to pay a huge amount for Ronaldino or Etoo but if we don't get them we settle for 3rd rate players like Motta! Where's the balance?
No one has made any bids for Motta because he's not very good and Barcelona are desperate to get rid of him. Yet we seem more than happy to take him and you have to ask why. He's not going to improve our squad at all and neither would Emerson.
I for one would rather see good quality players throughout the side than 1 megastar player up front, although i wouldn't complain if we did get a Barcelona star :D If they can see we need new midfielders and we don't get Ronaldinho or Etoo then why suddenly go all cheap and buy rubbish midfielders that no one wants?
Gonzalez, Elano, Miniero, Kallstrom, Rosicky, Gilberto Silva, Montilivo, Maresca, Deco (possibly), etc, etc ... All players who are a class above Motta & Emerson and could do more for our team. Like i said, there just doesn't seem to be a balance in our transfer targets, it's either the very best or the mediocre.
Why are we tied to Non-EU players when there are hundreds of EU players available capable of upgrading on Kalac, Fiori, Favalli, Janku, Brocchi, Gila??
It's because they have no intentions of trulying strengthening an ageing squad, which limits the competiveness of the first team. Remove Kaka, Nesta, Pirlo, Gattuso for 4 months or so next season, and we be struggling in all competitions, and out of the running for anything. We need another DM, a proper leftback, another AM, and a CL striker, not to forget a decent sub keeper. Amelia, Zambro, Sneijder wouldn't be impossible to sign it they had any direction in the transfer market. We'd improve the squad immensely, and actually show our big targets that we want to evolve the team, instead of keeping bosman players who shouldn't be playing for our colours.
The thing that worries me most is if we don't get that big target since we apparently didn't bring in Ribery that Ancelotti wanted. We are on a point where no Ronaldinho would mean a failed market since all our focues seems to be directed there. I don't care that Galliani talks about other names, I am sure that Ronaldinho is the one aimed for.
Amelia, Zambro, Sneijder wouldn't be impossible to sign it they had any direction in the transfer market. We'd improve the squad immensely
Only Zambrotta would be a big improvement. Sneijder wouldn't be much of a improvment on Seedorf, just a good option. Amelia is overrated IMO and wouldn't feature much, i'd hardly call them "immense improvments". Well, I said thos things enough times already.
This is what really infuriates me. We seem happy enough to pay a huge amount for Ronaldino or Etoo but if we don't get them we settle for 3rd rate players like Motta! Where's the balance?
Gonzalez, Elano, Miniero, Kallstrom, Rosicky, Gilberto Silva, Montilivo, Maresca, Deco (possibly), etc, etc ... All players who are a class above Motta & Emerson and could do more for our team. Like i said, there just doesn't seem to be a balance in our transfer targets, it's either the very best or the mediocre.
You don't spend €15M+ for a reserve player that will hardly feature. also the players you mentioned play many differeing roles and only half of them would be a alternative to Motto/Emerson. Not to forget that Emerson is better than most of them.
The balance is that a player like Ronaldinho/Eto'o vastly improve the team will buying a reserve/alternative midfielder is not making much of a change.
Ambrosini, Brocchi, Gattuso, Seedorf, Gourcuff
Pirlo
Kaka
Indeed we need one more midfielder. €20M for a starter (instead of whom?) or €5M for a reserve? €12.5M for something inbetween? what you reckon?
My hope for seeing a star striker has disappeared and my hope for seeing either a good striker or a young talent is fading fast. As for my hopes of seeing another midfielder to go into the starting 11 and some new defenders, well they vanished months ago :delol:
... so is my hope to win a scudetto and beat inter twice with ease next year. And to see interesting/promising new players instead of some oldies-goldies (who should quit last year already). Atm i might be even happy i didnt buy annual ticket...? (that is one of the reason people bought it)
Dont forget Oddo was important to our UCL success and he arrived because we had some hole on that right flank. So if they can improve our squad, they will do so.
Yup, he was. But he should be bought in the summer and we might actually be in the top 3 at that time and fighting for it. Oddo arrived when our goal was 4th spot :rolleyes: Last year we got all sorts of excuses that this year we dont (we won CL! we got cash and we got back the name - i hope) but still the transfer acting is looking alike.
Etoo number one and then dinho... :web: I really understand madrid fans, club talking about kaka is such a nonsense, but they do it every day.
The thing that worries me most is if we don't get that big target since we apparently didn't bring in Ribery that Ancelotti wanted. We are on a point where no Ronaldinho would mean a failed market since all our focues seems to be directed there. I don't care that Galliani talks about other names, I am sure that Ronaldinho is the one aimed for.
Only Zambrotta would be a big improvement. Sneijder wouldn't be much of a improvment on Seedorf, just a good option. Amelia is overrated IMO and wouldn't feature much, i'd hardly call them "immense improvments". Well, I said thos things enough times already.
Both Sneijder & Amelia are better options than Gourcuff & Kalac, and that's what we need. What are our good options for Seedorf, Kaka, Dida, Nesta?
We don't have them due to incompetent management.
You don't spend €15M+ for a reserve player that will hardly feature. also the players you mentioned play many differeing roles and only half of them would be a alternative to Motto/Emerson. Not to forget that Emerson is better than most of them.
The balance is that a player like Ronaldinho/Eto'o vastly improve the team will buying a reserve/alternative midfielder is not making much of a change.
Ambrosini, Brocchi, Gattuso, Seedorf, Gourcuff
Pirlo
Kaka
Indeed we need one more midfielder. €20M for a starter (instead of whom?) or €5M for a reserve? €12.5M for something inbetween? what you reckon?
The players i mentioned were all in view of taking Seedorf's starting position and Emerson is not better than most of those guys either.
Also who says they have to be reserve players who don't feature? The point is to get quality into the squad so you can rotate Pirlo, Gattuso & Kaka and let our 3 most important players rest alot more than they do now. Ambrosini is fine for the defensive role, Gourcuff is fine for a more attacking role, but we still need new faces.
In your own words would a 5 million rated player be of any use to us if one of the 3 i mentioned got injured? No, not really. You pay for medicority, you get mediocrity. We have enough of that already in the squad, we don't need more.
Rojo y Negro
20-07-2007, 05:51
Everyone keeps saying that spending 90 million on R10 would be crazy and then spend 50 million on Eto'o is crazy too. Firstly I have never heard Galliani nor Berlusconi say we are offering X amount for R10 or Eto'o. These figures are derived from the media.
I am a believer that R10 will arrive cause not once has R10 come out and said that he wants to stay at Barca since his holiday. I feel that something is up.
I also agree that Milan should look to strengthen the squad with some back ups.
Hasan Rossonero
20-07-2007, 06:11
Wow...people have been VERY expressive :).
A couple of points:
1) Players, managers, and football's suit-and-tie men, are groomed for public speaking. Very rarely do you see unusually frank statements a la Mourinho or that imbecile Blatter. So, when Galliani says things like he did yesterday, take it with a grain of salt.
2) Also, to say "we seem interested in Motta" is bit of a stretch. Papers have said we're interested in Motta, and those papers, as far as I can remember, never quoted a Milan official.
3) Berlusconi told Gazzetta that he has "100 million set aside for Dinho".
4) As far as Eto'o not wanting to come here...I wouldn't put too much stock in that. IF (IF) his club wants to sell him, I think he would suddenly have the desire. That's football unfortunately.
With all that said, I hope we get some reinforcements. If our management do get a big name then I really hope we also get some more modets ones, ones that can support our first XI.
Both Sneijder & Amelia are better options than Gourcuff & Kalac, and that's what we need. What are our good options for Seedorf, Kaka, Dida, Nesta?
We don't have them due to incompetent management.
They are slight improvments on our reserves and would together cost near €30M or at very least €20M. If we can spend that + wages for reserves, fine, but = luxury. I have nothing against luxury, but think prime needs should be adressed first.
Also, since you complained so much abuot no youth players, why throw away Gourcuff so fast?
Kaka and Pirlo are the only ones we don't have a option for, mostly due to the problem of actually finding someone that is a good option that would be content with the bench. Rui costa was a great option at a luxury wage for a reserve. Who is there now for Kaka? I'd suggest Moralez, but since he is non-eu that is not much. Other great option would have been Ribery, but seemingly we didn't take him for Ronaldinho. That would be me saying Ronaldinho would be huge, well he is HUGE.
The players i mentioned were all in view of taking Seedorf's starting position and Emerson is not better than most of those guys either.
Emerson have been top 5 midfielder in Italy for years. Only Gonzalez, Deco and Gilberto have solid claims of being better. Most importantly, Ancelotti wanted Emerson.
Also who says they have to be reserve players who don't feature? The point is to get quality into the squad so you can rotate Pirlo, Gattuso & Kaka and let our 3 most important players rest alot more than they do now. Ambrosini is fine for the defensive role, Gourcuff is fine for a more attacking role, but we still need new faces.
I did say we need one more midfielder, in fact I said that dozen of times mentioning names. Sneijder or Ribery either alternative to Kaka or Seedorf, but easily used with them too. Both are a considerate investment and not needed if we sign Ronaldinho.
In your own words would a 5 million rated player be of any use to us if one of the 3 i mentioned got injured? No, not really. You pay for medicority, you get mediocrity. We have enough of that already in the squad, we don't need more.
We got Pirlo for 10M, Vogel for free and Dhorasoo for free. One ended up being awesome, the other two very good reserves (I was hoping we would have kept Dhorasoo, but we even got good money for him).
Pretty much all teams in the world have "mediocre" players as reserves, some are just counted as mediocre because they don't play much. Brocchi was great in Fiorentina, Simic is still a Croatian international, Ambrosini is great, Inzaghi scored twice in the UCL final. etc.
we need only one signing - a replacement for galliani :)
I bet we would win a few trophies next season if we could sign someone on that position :D
What???????
Galiani is the best VP in europe,
I have not seen VP like him to express such a joy after Milan score a goal!!!!
He is a smart and clever guy, we still have like 40 days until the transfer season ends,right, so relax I should say!!!!!
MiamiMilanista
20-07-2007, 06:54
This guy Schuster of Real Madrid has a lot of ballz publicly stating that Kaka WILL come to Real eventually. Little does he know that he is on the clock already and probably wont make it past this season....
Hey kris I've never said anything bout getting rid of Gourcuff. Our midfield is unbelievably thin, and we another 2/3 players to cover it. We need another 2 strikers, and some of defenders need to be offloaded for proper cover, and for the future of team. At this rate - next season we'll need to sign about 10 players to replace maldini, inzaghi, cafu, serginho, dida, kalac, fiori, favalli, as well as proper cover for seedorf, ambro (continous injuries), maybe r99, nesta, pirlo, gattuso, kaka.
They are not in the squad as it stands. Carlo should make an ultimatum. Give me the players I ask for, or I go. I'd make that stand.
Bye bye Simao (http://www.goal.com/en/articolo.aspx?contenutoid=358388) :kap:
At this rate - next season we'll need to sign about 10 players to replace maldini, inzaghi, cafu, serginho, dida, kalac, fiori, favalli, as well as proper cover for seedorf, ambro (continous injuries), maybe r99, nesta, pirlo, gattuso, kaka.
They are not in the squad as it stands. Carlo should make an ultimatum. Give me the players I ask for, or I go. I'd make that stand.
The first one i hear every year (and i agree). But, cmon, cafu is great replacement, he has 2 sesaons minimum, same goes for maldini, he cant make it 2 in one week, but still he is a legend and full of experience so lets use him until he can walk. Kalac and fiori are mainly standing 90 minutes and if they get a goal its prolly defensive error - no need to change them for couple of years. Inzaghi is CL saver - 3 years guaranteed. Hm... serginho could be replaced yes :respect:
about carlo i agree full time. It will be him i will blame in december if milan fails and even if its the result of bad summer campaign - he should get what he needs and he should work on it! He is a trainer and he should know our team best and what he needs in the season to come.
Today's news :
1. Edison Cavani agent denies Milan made an offer for the young Uruguay player. He says he didn't meet anyone from Milan and for now Cavani stays where he is (Channel 4)
2. Milan started "Operation Eto'o", or as Gazzetta names it "One of the most difficult negotiations of the season". Like Hasan said, Gazzetta claims there was a meeting between Galliani, Laporta and Soriano (Barcelona vice-president) and Galliani offered 50m euro for Eto'o.
3. Juventus is still after Quagliarella. "There is a plan to immediately bring him to the Bianconeri, although they might wait until 2008" (Corriere Dello Sport)
4. Totti announced his retirement from the National Team
5. Schuster " We'll continue chasing Kaka but it will be very hard. In the future it will be easier but for now it's very complicated and very hard to bring him to Madrid" ( Marca and AS)
6. Schuster again " I count on 4 DMC's and Emerson isn't one of them. He was brought in Madrid by Capello because Emerson suits his tactics perfectly, but i have other plans" ....... " We'll get 3 or 4 new players. Drenthe is very close to Madrid and so are Robben and Reyes. Sneijder and Quaresma are also options" ( AS and Marca)
7. Ajax bought 35 years old Urzaiz from Athletic Bilbao :rolleyes:
8. Juve target Fernando Meira said for Stuttgarter Zeitung "I'm happy here in Stuttgart and i want to stay"
9. Valencia is after Lucho Gonzalez from Porto and they are ready to pay the asking price of 18m euro. The problem is MSI have his rights.
10. The greatest problem in bringing Dinho to Milan is his sponsor, NIKE.
If Milan fail to bring one of Eto'o or Dinho, then it's Julio Baptista who'll join Milan. The deal with Pato to join Milan in January is almost done (Corriere dello sport)
The first one i hear every year (and i agree). But, cmon, cafu is great replacement, he has 2 sesaons minimum, same goes for maldini, he cant make it 2 in one week, but still he is a legend and full of experience so lets use him until he can walk. Kalac and fiori are mainly standing 90 minutes and if they get a goal its prolly defensive error - no need to change them for couple of years. Inzaghi is CL saver - 3 years guaranteed. Hm... serginho could be replaced yes :respect:
about carlo i agree full time. It will be him i will blame in december if milan fails and even if its the result of bad summer campaign - he should get what he needs and he should work on it! He is a trainer and he should know our team best and what he needs in the season to come.
next season is the last season for Paolo & Cafu. I'd also include Serginho in that, and I don't think Pippo shud be considered as a 1st choice player next season, despite Athens. Kalac has made more than his fair share of errors when played, and if it's defensive errors then they need to be assessed also.
I'll stand by what I said. No signings this season will need a revolution next summer.
I get the feeling that Berlu wants out, as he doesn't think he'll be around to witness another Milan cycle, hence the lack of quality signings.
Also Ba will need replacement next season. :rolleyes: I'm over 30, and will sit on my ass for 70,000 K a year. galliani do u hear me???
next season is the last season for Paolo & Cafu. I'd also include Serginho in that, and I don't think Pippo shud be considered as a 1st choice player next season, despite Athens.
I get the feeling that Berlu wants out, as he doesn't think he'll be around to witness another Milan cycle, hence the lack of quality signings.
I'd agree on those players retiring, although we do actually have contract until 2009 with Inzaghi and I think Serginho. They will probably stay one more year. Of the players we talk about here I see Serginho as the biggest problem, he have had a very important role for us long and we have none else to take that running down the side in that way. Maldini have already been partly phased away and now we only need to buy a great one.. yeah I know, "only"... Pato will be taking over on the forward front. but who will be our joker (serginho).
I don't think Berlusconi wants out, the theory that he is not happy with Galliani that I heard last year may be more possible. Berlusconi before the UCL final paraded in front of the Milan fans and they chanted "Uno grand presidente!", he was all smiles, although his smile is probably surgically placed there.
i was sarcastic in the first part of post, thought it was too obvious... ;)
Graeme C
20-07-2007, 08:38
lol at this rate i wouldnt care if we got cassano on a free, Maresca for £5 mill and Zambrotta/ chiellini.
we really need to address a sub for pirlo, even Tacchinardi could be an option.. someone to play coppa and not important cup games. Vogels i thought was pretty good, Milan were stupid using him in the Oliviera deal, and they were stupid getting Oliviera aswell.
lol at this rate i wouldnt care if we got cassano on a free, Maresca for £5 mill and Zambrotta/ chiellini.
we really need to address a sub for pirlo, even Tacchinardi could be an option.. someone to play coppa and not important cup games. Vogels i thought was pretty good, Milan were stupid using him in the Oliviera deal, and they were stupid getting Oliviera aswell.
Isn't it too much usage of the word stupid, just 60 days after we won the CL!!!!!!
Isn't it too much usage of the word stupid, just 60 days after we won the CL!!!!!!
What does the transfer of Oli have to do with us winning CL?
That was, imo, the dumbest move of the summer last year.
At first I wasn't too negative on Oli but looking at that transfer now, a huge amount of money (I thought 15mil , not sure though) + VOGEL?
One of the better players in the PSV squad that nearly beat us in the semis of the CL.
I wish we still had him, he was more than average tbh.
Thank you for this wonderful, enlightening breakdown on the inner workings of the transfer market. I'm sure our management just had an Issac Newton-like getting-hit-on-the-head-with-an-apple moment.
PS: Maybe our definitions of the word 'reinforcements' differ, but to my knowledge Oddo, Ronaldo, Bonera, Gourcuff, and Favalli have all been reinforcements.
i dont see favalli as a reinforecement but as some1 on the payrole thats all :s
all rest were good signings.
but still... we should get at each row a new young player (defender-midfielder(att or def) and striker)
All that calciomercato dealings, babblings and arguings are becoming an unbearable pain in the ass, a braindead affair where dozens and dozens of speculations are dropped every single day by the press, letting the fans all around almost crazy!
That said, I guess that all the worries an letdowns regarding our transfer market can be summarized in a single problem: the brazilian obsession of the board. That's why we didn't sign a very good attacking midfielder like Ribery; that's why we seem to be keen in signing subpar players like Emerson, Motta or Julio Batista (if they were of other nationality, I'm sure that we wouldn't be thinking on them), etc.
In my opinion, for the moment we should be interested in 2 brazilian players only: Pato and Dinho. I think that Pato will be ours (fingers crossed!) in january, and regarding Dinho, if we really cannot sign him, we should head for Quagliarella, and that's it.
Regarding other eventual needings of the side, we have plenty of better options out of our 'brazilian monomania': Sneijder, Barzagli, Zambrotta, Amelia, Diarra, etc.
i just don't get berlusconi...
1. he doenst care about because he only wants to dig deep in his pockets when it comes to dinhio...
why not take that money and invest it in other players! there are plenty...
oh no because he is blinded by eto'o, sheva and dinhio!
that's really stupid, milan will suffer from his behaviour!
he should reaaly think about the team and thinking how to win champ league, serie a , super cup.
if he really thinks he can do this without any new young, frech, proven talents he is wrong.
i understand he has confident in gourcuff, i to believe in him and i cant wait to see him 2/4 or 3/4 of the season playing...
but still there is our defence thats getting older and older. we always had the best defence all over the world. but nowadays we can't say that anymore.
our defence was our "basis" so we can fall back on it...
buy some new defender who are promissing( barzagli, ramos, ... any1 but some1)
and pato he is amazing.
think about the supporters berlu, it's been a while u dug deep in your pockets...
BRAZILIAN OBSESSION, Prifess, that's our only problem, believe me.
heheh true... i completely agree with u. although i cant deny he shouldn't buy pato this 1 is amazing. and the only brazilian i want this season and perhaps baptista if he isn't that expensive
Hasan Rossonero
20-07-2007, 10:35
heheh true... i completely agree with u. although i cant deny he shouldn't buy pato this 1 is amazing. and the only brazilian i want this season and perhaps baptista if he isn't that expensive
:wth: :wth:
No no, not Batista, buddy! :zany:
Pato, Dinho and that's enough, no more other brazilian players for at least 2 or 3 years, for Chrissake.
Graeme C
20-07-2007, 10:40
rossi is apparently available for 10 E mill (£6.7 mill), well thats what his agent said on tuttomercato or was it calciomercato..
anyway 10 mill euros is a bargain really, considering we spent that on Oddo who is 30.. And we useto spend £9 mill on donati, £7 mill on c zenoni, and £12 mill+ on Jose Mari.
Fully agree, let's sign Rossi, Quagliarella and Zambrotta for now, Pato on january and that's it, we're done. Let's forget Emerson, Batista, Motta, PLEASE...!
Graeme C
20-07-2007, 10:43
No no, not Batista, buddy! :zany:
Pato, Dinho and that's enough, no more other brazilian players for at least 2 or 3 years, for Chrissake.
i agree, we should only get pato. and he should be the last brazilian we get for a while... im surprised tho favalli is still in the squad for next season, hes 36 isnt he?
yes indeed still on milan's payroll :| have we got that much money we still pay em...:|
-if not: let em go pay em out to leave(much cheaper)
-if true: buy players!
and yes Quagliarella and Zambrotta for now, Pato on january
and perhapts baptista(he is good and at milanello he will be 10x better)
milan lab has amazing powers :d
Graeme C
20-07-2007, 11:00
less depressing news channel4 think Bologna are favourites for Seria B title. im looking forward to seing how Di Gennaro does, and hoping he has a great start we might be able to nap him back for the second half of the season! :grinser:
less depressing news channel4 think Bologna are favourites for Seria B title. im looking forward to seing how Di Gennaro does, and hoping he has a great start we might be able to nap him back for the second half of the season! :grinser:
no let him play his season. depressing for him that pato might come to milan... but pato is amazing.
di genaro; i hope he plays every match at bologna
What Kris said
Whatever you say, i'm not going to waste time arguing with you. I think you're completely wrong about some things and confused about others. But still, you have my permission to think that way.
Please carry on :sagrin:
i agree, we should only get pato. and he should be the last brazilian we get for a while... im surprised tho favalli is still in the squad for next season, hes 36 isnt he?
I don't really mind Favalli.
A solid backup for when we play an unimportant match. :grinser:
He even scored a few times last season. :zany:
Another thing : a while ago we were being linked with Lazio's Mudingayi, any news on him?
I think he would do great as a Pirlo/Ambro sub.
Lazio usually sell for overprice and would rather let their player leave on a free later than budge on their valuation.
i agree, we should only get pato. and he should be the last brazilian we get for a while... im surprised tho favalli is still in the squad for next season, hes 36 isnt he?
What is up with people constantly blasting Favalli? Every time people want to complain about the management, they mention Favalli and how he was a bad signing and how he is too old, etc. (Not specifically you Graeme, just many people I've noticed.) He was brought in as a backup left back, not as a savior or anything. And he has performed very well in that role. He was very solid defensively, I would even say he's better than Janku defending, and going forward he's not bad, either. How many backup left defenders score two goals?
Once again Graeme, this post was not directed at you but at people who blast Favalli as a bad purchase.
Anyways, my point is, Forza Favadinho! And I'm officially starting the Giuseppe Favalli Fan Club! Who's in?
Anyways, my point is, Forza Favadinho! And I'm officially starting the Giuseppe Favalli Fan Club! Who's in?
Count me in ! :w154: :grinser:
Gabriel489
20-07-2007, 11:47
Count me for the Favalli Fan Club.
You are so right bro, I mean why does everyhere want 25 all-stars playing for Milan at once. That is not going to happen. Since a team can only field 11 players at a time, therefore some players will be on the bench.
I think everyone here understands that if someone is a so call superstar or star, they do not like to sit on the bench, period.
Thats probably why Tiago chosed Juve over Milan.
While there are still stars or great/useful players out there that does no mind sitting on the bench, such as Emerson. Wouldn't you rather have Emerson on the bench than Brocchi?
I am sad that Donati left b/c I think he will be a solid player off the bench, but I guess he would rather have 1st team football instead of only playing in Cups games and such.
Do you even know how hard it is to sign a great player to sit on Milan Bench and can still come in and contribute whenever he is called upon, while at the same time does not complain about not being field.
B/c I could not, look at Chiellini, even though he is talented, I really do not want him to play for Milan as the reason(from Channel4 and other sites) for him wanting to leave is b/c he felt he is not being treated like a star. I am sorry, would Simic or Cafu state that? TO be, Chiellini might have potential, blah, blah, blah, but right now, both Cafu and Simic are better players than he is and on top of that Cafu won like 2 WCs and Simic won 2 CL, in which he played a huge role in one of them. Even though Kaladaze complained a little, but I think he was joking at that time. The point is that it is not easy having great/useful players be ready when call upon on the bench. We should be thankful that guys like Favalli, Simic, Cafu, Bonera, Kaladaze, Pippo, Gilardino, Serginho, Gourcuff and Brocchi, all useful players accepting the roles of second stringer in Milan, b/c I am sure they could be starters for at least 15 other Series A teams.
Don't get me wrong, I wish Milan can have Buffon and Dida rotating in net.
While have Oddo/Zambrotta-Nesta/Alex-Cannavaro/Maldini-Chivu/Janku
with Gattuso/Diarra-Pirlo/Essien-Ambrosini/Veira-Dinho/Seedorf
along Kaka/Totti-Ronaldo/Sheva/Eto
with Terry, Gerrard, Henry, Pippo, Gilardino, Gallas and Samuel.
But in reality even if all the teams are willing to sell them to Milan and Berlu is willing to buy them all to Milan. That still will not happen b/c their Egoes will ruin Milan.
I will be happy with Dinho and Eto, but I will be more happier if Milan can just reinforce their squad with players that give them more depth, thus enable them to win it all in all competitions.
I bet that you would rather have Milan winning all trophies than signing Dinho, Eto and Zambrotta and winning nothing.
Your going off the deep end there guys. Favalli is the sign that the club will accept not to be first, even if a better player is available. We could've have signed someone like Mesto to cover Janku, and provide cover on other roles, as well as decrease the age of the squad. Players like Favalli, Ba, Oliveira, Borreillo, Kalac have no place in our squad. They belong with the subs of Lazio's or starters of Reggina, not as options in Milan.
No no, not Batista, buddy! :zany:
Pato, Dinho and that's enough, no more other brazilian players for at least 2 or 3 years, for Chrissake.
Wouldn't you like Alex, Maicon, Robinho ? :zany:
Gabriel489
20-07-2007, 11:56
Wouldn't you like Alex, Maicon, Robinho ? :zany:
How about Diego, Alves and Anderson?
zlatanov
20-07-2007, 11:57
Your going off the deep end there guys. Favalli is the sign that the club will accept not to be first, even if a better player is available. We could've have signed someone like Mesto to cover Janku, and provide cover on other roles, as well as decrease the age of the squad. Players like Favalli, Ba, Oliveira, Borreillo, Kalac have no place in our squad. They belong with the subs of Lazio's or starters of Reggina, not as options in Milan.
and isn't/wasn't Mesto namely that ... not to mention he opperates on the right.
zlatanov
20-07-2007, 11:59
Wouldn't you like Alex, Maicon, Robinho ? :zany:
again Tony with his difficult questions - Tony, answering that question requires that one actually knows what one wants :bri:
and isn't/wasn't Mesto namely that ... not to mention he opperates on the right.
Yeah, but he's a better player than Favalli is, wouldn't cost as much as Oliviera, and wouldn't have the rest of Europe laughing like they at our only signing so far - Ba.
At least he'd be a step in the right direction unlike at the moment where it seems the management are playing twister to decide our signings.
zlatanov
20-07-2007, 12:07
Yeah, but he's a better player than Favalli is, wouldn't cost as much as Oliviera, and wouldn't have the rest of Europe laughing like they at our only signing so far - Ba.
At least he'd be a step in the right direction unlike at the moment where it seems the management are playing twister to decide our signings.
nice try to get out of that hole :) ... Mesto is a RB/wing-back, not a LB, plus, could you provide us with some evidence that he is a better player than Favalli other than the ubiquitous "I think I have a gut feeling" that's been rulling minds on the forum since the transfer market started?
Laughing at us ... fcs, wake up my friend, they are not laughing at us, they want to be us :bri:
u are missing the point. favalli is just a good example of buying cheap players!
i can offer 10million players that are better then favalli and 10x younger!
he sux waste of money IMHO.
and we don't all want all star team. i dont want a team like real or inter.
i want 1 or 2 good young players in for this summer! and pato in january thats all. we don't need DINHIO we need normal good players!
requilme, pato, baptista, iniesta, kerlon, lucas, akinfeev, ... enough talents to buy!
Count me for the Favalli Fan Club.
You are so right bro, I mean why does everyhere want 25 all-stars playing for Milan at once.
Who here has stated they want 25 super stars in our team? No one.
B/c I could not, look at Chiellini, even though he is talented, I really do not want him to play for Milan as the reason(from Channel4 and other sites) for him wanting to leave is b/c he felt he is not being treated like a star. I am sorry, would Simic or Cafu state that? TO be, Chiellini might have potential, blah, blah, blah, but right now, both Cafu and Simic are better players than he is and on top of that Cafu won like 2 WCs and Simic won 2 CL, in which he played a huge role in one of them.
You seem to forget the constant harping and moaning Simic makes every summer about not playing enough. If he's that unhappy why doesn't he move on so we can get someone who's motivated enough and better than the Croatian to try and break into the team?
You're right Simic was hugely important to us winning the CL in 2002/2003, but that was 4 years ago and he's declined ever since. You can't say he's anywhere near that level now and neither is Cafu. People seem to live in the past and think some players are playing as well now as they did 4 or 5 years ago. Take the rose-tinted glasses off for goodness sake and be objective about things!
Gabriel489
20-07-2007, 12:10
Yeah, but he's a better player than Favalli is, wouldn't cost as much as Oliviera, and wouldn't have the rest of Europe laughing like they at our only signing so far - Ba.
Who is laughing at us?
Beside, people laughed at us about our aging defense and that they are too old..... but who got the last laugh when Milan won the CL.
I still remembered that night, when the players were jumping up and down waiting to get their medals with joy. The commenator said, "Who said they are too old?" in mocking sense. Bascially, the commenator just told everyone who said Milan players are too old to fxxx off and that they are all wrong about Milan.
What if Ba is the only signing, and yet Milan still win all competitions, would anyone be laughing then?
The last time I check, team's success is measure by how many trophies they win in a year and not how many superstars they sign.
zlatanov
20-07-2007, 12:15
Who is laughing at us?
well, Andy Gray was laughing at us ... was ... before the manager of a team that just spent 70+ mil euros, and is looking to spend another 30-40 mil, said that Milan is an example for the level his team needs to be at ... one sunny day
Gabriel489
20-07-2007, 12:17
You seem to forget the constant harping and moaning Simic makes every summer about not playing enough. If he's that unhappy why doesn't he move on so we can get someone who's motivated enough and better than the Croatian to try and break into the team?
You're right Simic was hugely important to us winning the CL in 2002/2003, but that was 4 years ago and he's declined ever since. You can't say he's anywhere near that level now and neither is Cafu. People seem to live in the past and think some players are playing as well now as they did 4 or 5 years ago. Take the rose-tinted glasses off for goodness sake and be objective about things!
Well, I see your point about Simic or Cafu are declining, but even if they are declining, whats make you think they are not as good or better than someone younger? For all I see, the only adventage younger players have over older players are the fact that they have the so call potential. But be real, playing in Milan needs much more than potential, they need quality. I just don't believe that there are players better than Cafu and Simic out there that would accept the bench role in Milan. As I doubt there are any players out there that could knock off Oddo and Nesta in the starting 11 of Milan at this point in time.
Wasn't Favalli a free transfer ?
If he was in what way is he a waste of money ? His wages ?
I doubt he earns more than 200-300 000 per year and imho he deserved every single penny in last season. He was a third or 4th option LB and played as such. Only 11 matches ( i believe more than half of them as a sub) and 2 scored goals.
And remember when was Favalli "bought" ;)
Gabriel489
20-07-2007, 12:18
well, Andy Gray was laughing at us ... was ... before the manager of a team that just spent 70+ mil euros, and is looking to spend another 30-40 mil, said that Milan is an example for the level his team needs to be at ... one sunny day
Excellence stuff bro, always can count on you for that.
well, Andy Gray was laughing at us ... was ... before the manager of a team that just spent 70+ mil euros, and is looking to spend another 30-40 mil, said that Milan is an example for the level his team needs to be at ... one sunny day
You can look at things that way, but you could also say that Milan were out of the title race, out of the domestic cup and only had the CL and 4th spot to aim for. Man Utd on the other hand reached the F.A. Cup Final, won the league and got to the latter rounds of the CL, which could indicate that their squad is more capable of pushing for several trophies in a season when compared to ours.
As with everything it's all subjective claptrap.
Well, I see your point about Simic or Cafu are declining, but even if they are declining, whats make you think they are not as good or better than someone younger? For all I see, the only adventage younger players have over older players are the fact that they have the so call potential. But be real, playing in Milan needs much more than potential, they need quality. I just don't believe that there are players better than Cafu and Simic out there that would accept the bench role in Milan. As I doubt there are any players out there that could knock off Oddo and Nesta in the starting 11 of Milan at this point in time.
Stamina and energy is one clear advantage younger players have. Can Simic & Cafu honestly compare to the boundless energy shown by Alves, Lucio, Taiwo, Eboue, Chiellini? I'd rather have someone hungry to learn and hungry to win with speed on their side to make up for mistakes should they make them. Compared to Cafu who might just stand still and give up (which i've seen him do several times in the past 2 seasons) after a player is beyond him.
Alves or Zambrotta (maybe Eboue) are the only ones who i would probably pick over Oddo at right-back. I would always choose Nesta as a starting cb, but the other cb position and left-back position are areas we could find better players for. If we made strong bids for them of course.
Alessio Tacchinardi is a free agent after terminating his contract with juve. i think he would be a good option if we can't get emerson.
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jul20m.html
Graeme C
20-07-2007, 12:48
Alessio Tacchinardi is a free agent after terminating his contract with juve. i think he would be a good option if we can't get emerson.
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jul20m.html
i was about to post that, yeah hes ok if we offer him a year deal. And look again for another player next summer.. Plus hes free which our club loves.
But if he comes he wont be a starter, nor play that much. This might make he want to move to Atlanta or samp where he will be a constant starter.
i was about to post that, yeah hes ok if we offer him a year deal. And look again for another player next summer.. Plus hes free which our club loves.
But if he comes he wont be a starter, nor play that much. This might make he want to move to Atlanta or samp where he will be a constant starter.
sure but the same applies to players like simic, bonera, ambrosini, ...
i think if we offer him a good financial deal he would consider it. at 32 sitting on the bench of milan is ok.
Although a fan favorite, Tacchinardi was never my favorite. Don't like his way of play, but even though i don't like the way Gattuso, Vieira, Emerson, Diarra play the football, at least i can say they are the best in this job. Tacchi was never a good player. He did have the fighting spirit and was highly rated by Lippi, but that was a long time ago.
Capello did good when he replaced him with a younger and better player - Emerson.
Tacchinardi is 32 , he's 1 year older than Emerson and a lot worse player than the Brazilian. If Juve don't want him and don't need him when their DMC's are not as good as Milan's ( for now Juve has Nocerino, C.Zanetti and Marchisio as DMC's and we can maybe count Tiago) , then why would Milan want Tacchinardi ?
You need a better player than Brocchi, not worse !
Graeme C
20-07-2007, 13:31
sure but the same applies to players like simic, bonera, ambrosini, ...
i think if we offer him a good financial deal he would consider it. at 32 sitting on the bench of milan is ok.
although i like ambrosini he spends most of the season injured. Bonera is young (25) and i think eventually he will find space in the first team.
Isnt simic rumoured to go to everton?
I think there are better players out there than Emerson, but even i think the Boar is a better option than Tacchinardi
Hasan Rossonero
20-07-2007, 13:47
You can look at things that way, but you could also say that Milan were out of the title race, out of the domestic cup and only had the CL and 4th spot to aim for. Man Utd on the other hand reached the F.A. Cup Final, won the league and got to the latter rounds of the CL, which could indicate that their squad is more capable of pushing for several trophies in a season when compared to ours.
As with everything it's all subjective claptrap.
Not quite. I think there is only one way to look at that drubbing, and that is with extreme pity towards Man U.
United were dismantled 3-0. It wasn't as if they were sort of beaten etc. Sure they had some key players out, but that was a comprehensive thrashing. Your point in general is well taken though, but in particular that example doesn't hold up.
zlatanov
20-07-2007, 13:49
You can look at things that way, but you could also say that Milan were out of the title race, out of the domestic cup and only had the CL and 4th spot to aim for. Man Utd on the other hand reached the F.A. Cup Final, won the league and got to the latter rounds of the CL, which could indicate that their squad is more capable of pushing for several trophies in a season when compared to ours.
As with everything it's all subjective claptrap.
there is nothing subjective in that - last season I got tired of my own posts to try to explain to people why was that Milan was so bad in the first half of the season and I am sure most people took my words with a smile seeing them as just another excuse ... curiously enough, it took Tassoti and Tognacini to come out and say the exact same stuff so that those words gained some credibility among people.
so, by now, I would have at least expected that people would stop giving last season, with all its numerous anomalies, as an example of how bad Milan and their management is.
And I am pretty sure ManU didn't have to start the season with negative account, a squad with virtually no reinforcements, and a team that was in no physical condition to do well over the first half of the season when Milan constantly had 12-13 out of 24 players injured namely because they lacked a decent prep during the summer thanks to calciopoli.
Last season, the -8 pts penalty was only one, and probably the least important, of 3-4 factors that cost the team the title race (and being out of it by the winter break) ... there were many other things that influenced the performance of the team on ALL fronts, not just one, "things" that needed time and a special training program to be take care of and we all know how that one ended.
Once that happened, Milan started playing much better on all fronts, not just CL ... unfortunately, it was too late to try to do something more in serie A as the first 2/3rds of the season had renedered such an effort literary pointless.
As for the "depth" of ManU's squad, we all saw what happened to their great team when Ferdinand and Vidic got injured ... worthy of a front page in the funny papers.
hitmannq8
20-07-2007, 14:22
Ernesto Bronzetti is apparently off to Barca in aid of helping Milan to negotiate with Barca for Eto'o or Ronaldinho.
Although a fan favorite, Tacchinardi was never my favorite. Don't like his way of play, but even though i don't like the way Gattuso, Vieira, Emerson, Diarra play the football, at least i can say they are the best in this job. Tacchi was never a good player. He did have the fighting spirit and was highly rated by Lippi, but that was a long time ago.
Capello did good when he replaced him with a younger and better player - Emerson.
Tacchinardi is 32 , he's 1 year older than Emerson and a lot worse player than the Brazilian. If Juve don't want him and don't need him when their DMC's are not as good as Milan's ( for now Juve has Nocerino, C.Zanetti and Marchisio as DMC's and we can maybe count Tiago) , then why would Milan want Tacchinardi ?
You need a better player than Brocchi, not worse !
I didn't like Rino at the time where he was playing with giunti. I was saying: "He can't this player play for Milan, a footballer with no talent. My opinion since yet started to be better coming to CL final in Old Trafford against Juve, in this game our big stars were at low performance, Rino was amazing. Besides the last 1,5 started to play in a cleanier way. His importace appeared when he got injured at Old Trafford, we lost il capitano and Rino so the game went upside down.
For Tacchinardi, i never liked him except in the Fifa 06 in Virrareal who is excellent in cutting, passing and crossing playing as a MR.
I am in 2010 with Milan in the Fifa 06 (i got PSV for 2 years, 1 Virrareal and 1 with Lyon) I am now finishing my first year in Milan (having won all the titles in all teams), but i have a lot of players retiring Nesta, Seedorf, Ambrosini, Shevchenko, Kalaz and 1 African RB.... So i want your proposals for players taking place of the retired one, I wil have 2 GK, a Danish RB, Kaladze, 2 young CB, Tiago, Keita, a 20 yeared player like Pirlo, Pirlo, a young DM, A 20 y LM great Brazilian winger, Kaka and Giggs an 2.02, 20 y Bosnian striker plus Gila (with him with about 5 games left i scored 115 goal :zany: and with Shava 75 .
I am thinking of Villa, Drogba, Mascerano (still in Brazil), Matos, Fabregas, Tony, a excellent young RM behing Kaka, a LB, a great CB for Nesta, Dani Alves or Maicon.... Your proposals....
Galliani this is the way that Milan should be playing :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Kaka--7thUCL
20-07-2007, 14:24
Hey guys, back from NY, have we signed anyone!? :D Or close too? And who.?
Although a fan favorite, Tacchinardi was never my favorite. Don't like his way of play, but even though i don't like the way Gattuso, Vieira, Emerson, Diarra play the football, at least i can say they are the best in this job. Tacchi was never a good player. He did have the fighting spirit and was highly rated by Lippi, but that was a long time ago.
Capello did good when he replaced him with a younger and better player - Emerson.
Tacchinardi is 32 , he's 1 year older than Emerson and a lot worse player than the Brazilian. If Juve don't want him and don't need him when their DMC's are not as good as Milan's ( for now Juve has Nocerino, C.Zanetti and Marchisio as DMC's and we can maybe count Tiago) , then why would Milan want Tacchinardi ?
You need a better player than Brocchi, not worse !
:5ok: Excellent post! Why the heck are we linked with such a useless player, i always felt that he is crap when he was playing for Juve. Can't even tackle cleanly, he is just trying to foul every player who got into his path, extremely low technically. I have no problem taking Brocchi over him. Can't believe somebody actually want him here. :sweeteye:
Bosniaco
20-07-2007, 14:59
I didn't like Rino at the time where he was playing with giunti. I was saying: "He can't this player play for Milan, a footballer with no talent. My opinion since yet started to be better coming to CL final in Old Trafford against Juve, in this game our big stars were at low performance, Rino was amazing. Besides the last 1,5 started to play in a cleanier way. His importace appeared when he got injured at Old Trafford, we lost il capitano and Rino so the game went upside down.
For Tacchinardi, i never liked him except in the Fifa 06 in Virrareal who is excellent in cutting, passing and crossing playing as a MR.
I am in 2010 with Milan in the Fifa 06 (i got PSV for 2 years, 1 Virrareal and 1 with Lyon) I am now finishing my first year in Milan (having won all the titles in all teams), but i have a lot of players retiring Nesta, Seedorf, Ambrosini, Shevchenko, Kalaz and 1 African RB.... So i want your proposals for players taking place of the retired one, I wil have 2 GK, a Danish RB, Kaladze, 2 young CB, Tiago, Keita, a 20 yeared player like Pirlo, Pirlo, a young DM, A 20 y LM great Brazilian winger, Kaka and Giggs an 2.02, 20 y Bosnian striker plus Gila (with him with about 5 games left i scored 115 goal :zany: and with Shava 75 .
I am thinking of Villa, Drogba, Mascerano (still in Brazil), Matos, Fabregas, Tony, a excellent young RM behing Kaka, a LB, a great CB for Nesta, Dani Alves or Maicon.... Your proposals....
Galliani this is the way that Milan should be playing :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
Bosnian striker? Well Barbarez is a good striker but he is probably retired in your game. Ibisevic from Alemania Achen, Kucukovic from Gurthen Furt,Muslimovic from Parma, Custovic from Moscrow (Belgium), Jelic (very young) from German second division. There some others in FIFA 06.
^ go buy Rafael Sobis....his skill level will soon reach 93 :eekani:
Wouldn't you like Alex, Maicon, Robinho ? :zany:
Not at all, my friend: I'm really sick with that overwhelming 'brazilian monomania' on our club. First and foremost AC Milan is an ITALIAN side, one must not forget that. So I guess the more and more that we should priorize italian players in order to form the squad's core, signing foreigners only if they were really great players. Regarding the present situation, I think we should sign Dinho, Giuseppe Rossi and one of Chielinni / Barzagli for the moment, and Pato in january. And if the purchasing of Dinho was not all possible all, we should go for Quagliarella or Pazzini, and that's all.
OCmilano
20-07-2007, 17:46
I really think this HUGE signing is going to be Sheva's return to Milan.. And i agree with others on this thread about signing 3-4 decent players instead of Huge money for one.....
Kaka--7thUCL
20-07-2007, 18:14
I personally think Shevchenko's return to milan is the furthest thing from huge money...
Kaka--7thUCL
20-07-2007, 18:16
You could disagree though, because for a 30 soon to be 31 year old striker, who had a terrible season this year, (if I had to choose between Gila and Sheva, GILA.) it could be a lot of money, then you could also say he'll be back to his old self when he comes back, anyways, I still think our most useful signing out of all of them is Drogba or r10..
Looks like Emerson is offering himself to Milan :
" This year's championship wasn't won by us (Real Madrid) but it was lost by Barcelona. In Real Madrid everything is much more difficult compared to Italy and here (in Real) it's impossible to work in peace. They ( Real) are the most rich and prestigious club in the world but in Milan everything is much better organized than it is in Real. In Milan everything is functioning great, in and out of the field . There are no doubts about it, everybody wants to play for Milan. I still have to evaluate the offers i got and money won't be the decisive factor"
Again about Real...
Schuster said that only Capello is to be blamed for Cannavaro's bad form . According to Schuster Capello's Real wasn't working well , the midfielders weren't defending at all and that's why the defenders suffered, among them Cannavaro. But Schuster is convinced that with better work of the team, the defense will start functioning again and Canna will again be the good old one and leader of Real's defense.
I guess this means Cannavaro won't be leaving Real, which can't be said about Emerson who is certain to leave and Schuster said it himself.
Then Schuster continued about Kaka and how it's practically impossible to bring him to Real now but everything will be different from next year and he expects Kaka to be Real Madrid player in the future.
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=23&a=49168
Hasan Rossonero
20-07-2007, 19:31
Looks like Emerson is offering himself to Milan :
" This year's championship wasn't won by us (Real Madrid) but it was lost by Barcelona. In Real Madrid everything is much more difficult compared to Italy and here (in Real) it's impossible to work in peace. They ( Real) are the most rich and prestigious club in the world but in Milan everything is much better organized than it is in Real. In Milan everything is functioning great, in and out of the field . There are no doubts about it, everybody wants to play for Milan. I still have to evaluate the offers i got and money won't be the decisive factor"
Again about Real...
Schuster said that only Capello is to be blamed for Cannavaro's bad form . According to Schuster Capello's Real wasn't working well , the midfielders weren't defending at all and that's why the defenders suffered, among them Cannavaro. But Schuster is convinced that with better work of the team, the defense will start functioning again and Canna will again be the good old one and leader of Real's defense.
I guess this means Cannavaro won't be leaving Real, which can't be said about Emerson who is certain to leave and Schuster said it himself.
Then Schuster continued about Kaka and how it's practically impossible to bring him to Real now but everything will be different from next year and he expects Kaka to be Real Madrid player in the future.
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=23&a=49168
They said that last year as well. You also already posted this news once, didn't you?
They also said that C. Ronaldo renewing his contract didn't mean anything, only that the price would be higher.
I don't take Real that seriously, and neither, from what it seems like on forums, do their fans.
As for Emerson...I don't know. A few days ago he wanted to stay in Real. Now that Schuster comes out and says all that, Emerson starts to change his tune. But such is football.
Hasan Rossonero
20-07-2007, 19:48
Also:
I don't think Berlusconi will let Kaka go. It just doesn't seem in his nature. Even if Kaka wants a move, I think Berlu will find a way to keep him. If someone really wants Kaka when the Brazilian is 29-30, then Milan may consider it (like with Sheva). But to keep him at the San Siro for the next 3-4 years doesn't seem impossible. After all, if it is a money thing, Milan can invest say 10-12 million (increase in salary over two-three years let's say) to keep him rather than look for another player.
Blacktop
20-07-2007, 20:08
Not at all, my friend: I'm really sick with that overwhelming 'brazilian monomania' on our club. First and foremost AC Milan is an ITALIAN side, one must not forget that.
Hear, hear!
Hasan Rossonero
20-07-2007, 20:19
Gazzetta:
Milan await Eto'o developments. The Cameroonian is trying to understand his playing situation with Rijkaard. Milan wait.
Kaka and Gila return to Italy today.
Well I sure hope we land up signing SOMEBODY during this mercato. As for the "big name" attacker, I sure hope it's Dinho, but let's wait and see.
Regarding the rest of the squad, I too am a little surprised why we are not investing in some young talents with a view towards the future. It would be prudent to snap up a promising wing back, central defender, or even goalkeeper---then loan him out for a couple of years, if good enough, then we've got ready made replacements. I'm just afraid that we will have a major overhaul once Dida, Maldini, Nesta, Oddo, Seedorf, Pippo, Ronaldo retire.
Please, Berlusconi, DO NOT SIGN Emerson... :w221: :w221: :w221:
And i agree with others on this thread about signing 3-4 decent players instead of Huge money for one.....
I think the successful teams like Milan are what they are because they focus on great players to achieve great sucess... others have a bunch of good squad players, and what they get is consistent effort, some good moments, but no big results and titles.
the players worth the money (I remark WORTH) are the ones that get you titles... sometimes you have to pay for them, and other times you find them and develop them...
this is a global world... few things are as globalized as football is... few regions are more COMUNITARY than Europe... why are we so affraid of big money for a big player? why do we care so much if he's italian or not?
Would I prefer an Italian over a foreigner for Milan? Sure...but I have not made Milan what it is today...
Berlusconi, Galliani, Braida, Ramaccioni, Ancelotti... Yes, those guys have... they know the business... they don't buy or sell players based on how they perform in videogames or Youtube highlights... they know what players will do good to the squad they already have... not the other way around... what players will show their class in big games, not just do flashy moves when it doesn't matter... who will reach his peak in May, and not in November...
Milan is different from other clubs... some guys here need to finally realize this... Milan doesn't follow the same standard procedures that teams like Chelsea, Real Madrid, Inter and others follow...
There's a reason why some of our players can keep playing UCL finals being way over 30 years old... and why other big names some guys desperately asked for last summer are nowhere to be found...
I remember:
We need Diego Lugano now!!!! how many can say where he plays now without googling?
We must sign Fernando Torres, he's young, fast, and handsome :5nana:
Did he make any difference at Atletico de Madrid? He scored some goals but that team has not had a captain or true leader since Simeone...
Kerlon??? Cassano??? should I keep going?
We did get Oddo, at 30 years old... we kept Favalli, Cafu', Serginho... ALTA TENSIONE Pippo...
what where they doing the night of May 23rd, 2007?
Please, Berlusconi, DO NOT SIGN Emerson... :w221: :w221: :w221:
Dude, do you think Berlusconi reads your requests?
We do, actually I do, and I'm not even sure why... guess because I feel responsible of monitoring you... YES, I KNOW WHAT YOU DID LAST SUMMER...
Don't be so bitter, would you? You depress me.
Of course Berlusconi doesn't read my reads my requests... I'm not the lunatic you think I'am, buddy. So my previous post was only a rethorical statement, as it's plainly obvious.
Besides that, I'm dead sure that I'm behaving very well by now, I sincerely don't believe that someone eventually can have any complain against my present behaviour.
Finally, you have your convictions about Milan, and I have mine... in fact, we disagree about almost everything regarding Milan affairs. I guess that's a very natural thing on a public forum, don't you think?
Trequartista
20-07-2007, 22:33
well put but brazil attack and italian defense and i think thats perfect for a champion team hahahah
world cup wins : brazil 5 , italy 4 ;) btw i was there in berlin at the game hehe forza italia !
Hear, hear!
well put but brazil attack and italian defense and i think thats perfect for a champion team hahahah
Hmmm... let's see:
Amelia
Oddo
Nesta
Bonera
Zambrotta
Gattuso
Ambrosini
Pirlo
Kaká
Dinho
Pato
Waaaal, what a line-up!!! :p017: :5ok: :p017:
Rayno_acm
20-07-2007, 23:18
Put Ronaldo on the place of Dinho, and I think it would look better :bri:
No way, man, in my opinion Dinho is infinitely better than Ronaldo.
BTW: Aquilani instead of Ambrosini would certainly not hurt... :devf:
Finally, you have your convictions about Milan, and I have mine... in fact, we disagree about almost everything regarding Milan affairs. I guess that's a very natural thing on a public forum, don't you think?
I don't have a problem with your convictions about Milan... I do have a problem with your obnoxious sentences...
You don't see me posting one liners saying: - "Way to go Mr. Berlusconi and Mr. Galliani, you're the man, these policies of yours are magnificent"
(even if I thought that) in almost every single thread there is, do you?
And I say this to you strictly as a fellow member, not as Mod.
Kaka--7thUCL
21-07-2007, 01:16
I love pato, he has a certain Kaka' elegance, hes a definite GREAT in the future. I think we should buy Ronaldinho though, so then we can play 2 mids supporting one striker, and wait for Pato so when he comes we'll c how our attack is doing, to make sure he's needed, but not only that, we could see how hes doing aswell as he goes along. IMO that's our best option right now, and we should buy 2 defenders. YES, Cannavaro, and also I think we should buy Chiellini, or another cd, Barzagli?, still, my biggest concern is of goalkeepers, we have 2 crud backup goalies, and a crud main goalie, Storari would probably do better then dida tbh, we need a goalkeeper!!
Kaka--7thUCL
21-07-2007, 01:21
We're best off just taking Abbiati back.. He's not too old, actually pretty young for a GK and he could POSSIBLY be better then Dida, if Dida plays like he did for 3/4 of the year then I'd take any goalie over him. I'm against keeping Dida fully, the guy wanted a pay raise, for what? Being blind and slipping up to much? Enough bashing him though, he was probably my fave goalie for a few years, but now i'm just saying, he's slowed down, and its definitely time to replace him, just say thank you for all hes done including winning us all our CL's and replace him!! asap.. He played amazing in the semis,and final, and tbh even the quarter final, but in begining.. He did absolutely.. GARBAGE. Could just be the fact that he though Milan were hopeless at winning anything, so he just gave up then, then when he saw they had a big chance at UCL.. Lol just saying, we need to replace him, definite 100%. I say buy Landreau,Amelia,Casillas.
Kaka--7thUCL
21-07-2007, 01:22
1 of the 3 of course, not all , lol. :5ok:
Kaka--7thUCL
21-07-2007, 01:25
Ooo. Guys, any new stuff on Robben? I really want him.. If only Milan could buy..
Barzagli,Robben,Ronaldinho,Shevchenko,Amelia.. I would probably be the happiest person on Earth, but oh well, 2 problems there, half those players wouldn't leave, and I don't think milan is ready to spend the money, although I really think they should.
Kaka--7thUCL
21-07-2007, 01:31
Please, Berlusconi, DO NOT SIGN Emerson... :w221: :w221: :w221:
Why not..He was good at Juve.. I'd welcome him here, I think we're DEFINITELY going to sign R10. By beggining of august I predict we will for sure, buy our big name attacker, although Im definitely not going to be suprised if its r10. I can see Emerson in our starting squad tbh, we need to replace seedorf though.. Ugh. We need like 4-5 new players.
WE need to replace a goalkeeper, a defender,an attacker, a midfielder, and another midfielder, which is why I keep repeating, get r10,rossi,barzagli/chiellini,landreau, and pato, we're set for like 5-6 years ^^
Kaka--7thUCL
21-07-2007, 01:34
K and last thing before I go, do you think we'll sign more then just an attacker, and we'll actually replace those 4-5 highly needed to be replaced?
Come on, Kaka--7thUCL, Emerson is definitely not the man to replace Seedorf!!! First and foremost, both are about the same age, have different functions on the midfield and Seedorf is an overwhelmingly superior footballer, one can't evem compare him to Emerson in terms of creativity, inteligence, firepower, positioning, etc., etc., etc. Furthermore, we already have a replacement for the dutchman: Yoann Gourcuff, who's perfectly suitable for the job. What we need is to 1) reshufle the retaguard 2) sign a great forward and 3) add another creative force to help Kaka.
That said, I would go for: Barzagli, Zambrotta, Dinhor OR Quagliarella OR Giuseppe Rossi, Pato. I guess, indeed, that we could field something the following lineup next season:
Dida
Oddo
Nesta
One of Barzagli / Bonera / Kaladze
Zambrotta
Gattuso
Pirlo
Gourcuff OR Seedorf
Kaká
Dinho OR Quagliarella OR Giuseppe Rossi
Pato
A VERY VERY good lineup, if you ask me.
Given the players mentioned on my last post, my first lineup would be the following:
Dida
Oddo
Barzagli
Nesta
Zambrotta
Gattuso
Pirlo
Gourcuff
Kaká
Dinho
Pato
Pretty POWERFUL stuff, waal!
hitmannq8
21-07-2007, 03:09
Aight enough with them dreams and lets return to the actual rumours going on this summer.
I believe there is no news yesterday or today morning in Italy regarding Dinho, Eto'o, Pato, Sheva and Milan. There also is two days remaining until the squad meets up for training..Most of us here, infact i'd say that before we entered the transfer market 99% predicted we will sign at least a player by July 23. Im curious as to know how many people still think we are going to sign someone in the next two days? I sure hope so.
Last season, the -8 pts penalty was only one, and probably the least important, of 3-4 factors that cost the team the title race (and being out of it by the winter break) ... there were many other things that influenced the performance of the team on ALL fronts, not just one, "things" that needed time and a special training program to be take care of and we all know how that one ended.
Once that happened, Milan started playing much better on all fronts, not just CL ... unfortunately, it was too late to try to do something more in serie A as the first 2/3rds of the season had renedered such an effort literary pointless.you got the point here. Still, without proper reinfocments we will suffer playing on 2 fronts even if we throw coppa away from the beginning. Last season was saved by 5 matches, if one of them would go slightly worse we wouldnt be CL champs and we wouldnt listen to all these crap about how good team we are and as such we dont need new players. Milan is a class above all but even our fist 11 cant play good through the season. OK, you say this year should be different but i think it may as well be the same as last 3.
Next thing that worries me is Kaka, withouth proper interest from our administration to strenghten the squad he will leave to real next summer. I really dont believe he is prepared to drag the whole team on like he did last season in CL (celtic remember?) and i think i would not blame him for such acion.
Aight enough with them dreams and lets return to the actual rumours going on this summer.
I believe there is no news yesterday or today morning in Italy regarding Dinho, Eto'o, Pato, Sheva and Milan. There also is two days remaining until the squad meets up for training..Most of us here, infact i'd say that before we entered the transfer market 99% predicted we will sign at least a player by July 23. Im curious as to know how many people still think we are going to sign someone in the next two days? I sure hope so.
I have a feeling we are going to sign someone like Emerson in the next few days.
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=359135
Next thing that worries me is Kaka, withouth proper interest from our administration to strenghten the squad he will leave to real next summer. I really dont believe he is prepared to drag the whole team on like he did last season in CL (celtic remember?) and i think i would not blame him for such acion.
Ive been saying this since day one and to be honest I dont blame him either.
Seeing as how my point was seemingly dismantled by your annoyance of having to 'dig' up old facts again Zlatanov. Lets see how well our squad copes if Kaka has a major injury. After all, he was the one main reason, if not THE reason, we got to the CL final. So Sant can sit there saying where was Lugano, Torres, etc, on the date of the final, but where would our players be if it wasn't for Kaka?
I still stand by my point that when compared to ours, Man Utd's squad is more capable of coping with losses to big name players. Which will be strengthened further if they secure Tevez.
What have we done to strengthen our squad? We signed Ba. A player who was hopeless at our club the first time around, so goodness knows what we can expect from him now. However, maybe he will surprise me and i will say good for him if he does.
The point though is while many here expressed their doubts over the form of Serginho & Cafu as they get older and come back from injury, as Inzaghi & Ambrosini carry on spending more time injured than playing football and with Ronaldo still being a bit of an unknown quantity, where the reinforcements that we need? This goes without mentioning the poor performances players offered last season, most notably Gilardino & Seedorf (and where the Dutchman's concerned, i'm sorry but a handful of decent games in an entire season should not justify his place in the starting 11).
I find it difficult to believe our squad is strong enough to compete successfully on multiple fronts. Not strengthening only wastes the peak years of the star players we do have.
i expect milan to sign 2 players this summer. a striker and a dm, i just hope they are quality players and come in time do take part in pre season training.
Stop using the name of "Ba", he is a non-factor, he is not a signing and he won't play.
This has to be the slowest day for transfer rumors this summer
Transfers and Rumors regarding Italian teams:
1. Spalletti : There is a 50% chance that Chivu will stay in Roma
2. Fiorentina will offer new contract to Ujfalusi even though he made it clear that he wants to leave Italy and go to Sevilla
3. According to Marca, Livorno are very close to Diego Tristan from Deportivo La Coruna
Transfers and Rumors regarding foreign teams:
1. Lyon will try to get Reyes but it's still Real Madrid the favorite to buy the young Spaniard from Arsenal.
2. After Abramovich refused to let Robben go , things got complicated for Real. The Spanish champions will make another offer but it's hard to believe that Roman will change his mind. After the unsuccessful attempts to buy Kaka and Fabregas, not getting Robben will be disastrous for Calderon's image.
3. Cannavaro " I'm staying in Real. I wanna win CL. I signed 3 years contract with Real, not with Capello. In Italy they say that i want to come back but it's not true"
4. Greek u-19 team is one of the hot favorites to become european u-19 champions and their greatest star, 17 years old Ninis, is one of the main reasons for the good results. If you remember , i talked a lot about this wonderkid some 6 months ago, when he, as a 16 years old, was playing fantastic for Panathinaicos.
There are many scouts following him but the greatest interest comes from Rafael Monfort, the scout of Real Madrid.
I really like this kid, i'll kill myself if he becomes just another one whose career was ruined in Real.
That's it for today :rolleyes:
I feel Galliani gets pushed into saying what ever he does from higher power.
Baptista, Emerson & Alves. Would they all take up non-eu spots, or does Emerson have a Euro passport for his time in Italy?
Ronaldinho Gaúcho, ha rilasciato le sue prime dicharazioni all'interno dell'aeroporto El Prat, rientrato dal Brasile, il campione brasiliano è sembrato rilassato: "Tutti gli acquisti che abbiamo fatto sono importantissimi. Sono molto contento e pronto a iniziare questa nuova stagione"
Ronaldinho came back from Brasil and his first words , at El Prat airport in Barcelona, were :
"All the players we bought are really important. I'm very satisfied and ready to start the new season"
How do you think Ronaldinho finished the sentence in his head :
a) I'm very satisfied and ready to start the new season ...... playing alongside Henry and Messi
b) I'm very satisfied and ready to start the new season ....... playing alongside Kaka and Ronaldo
:)
Baptista, Emerson & Alves. Would they all take up non-eu spots, or does Emerson have a Euro passport for his time in Italy?
Emerson had a German passport when he came to Roma and then he even got an Italian passport.
He's an EU player and he won't be taking the non-EU spot.
Alves got Spanish nationality this year and he also wouldn't be taking the non-EU spot.
Baptista is a non-EU and if Milan buy him then no more non-EU players could join you this year !
Tony, i think the answer is option (a)
either that or option (c)
I'm very satisfied and ready to start the new season ...... sitting on the bench behind Henry, Etoo & Messi
I know he'd be expensive ... incredibly expensive ... but i still retain the smallest hope that we may sign Alves.
Tony, i think the answer is option (a)
either that or option (c)
I'm very satisfied and ready to start the new season ...... sitting on the bench behind Henry, Etoo & Messi
They're calling the Barcelona team now the 'Fantastic Four' at least they've made Rijkaard's job much easier now. Im saying this now and will be saying this till the last day of the transfer market - forget Eto, R10 we need to concentrate on other players such as Villa. At this rate I would of preferred if we kept RO, no matter how bad he was.
forget Eto, R10 we need to concentrate on other players such as Villa.
I agree with you on this bit, time to move on from those two players.
At this rate I would of preferred if we kept RO, no matter how bad he was.
But not on this bit :D
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