View Full Version : Winter Mercato
No other solution but we'll have to agree to disagree here Zlat :)
On second thought, i must admit that you are right about Ribery-Kaka and 2 attackers in the same line-up. That is too much attacking and it will hurt you defensively. But exactly this may be the reason why Carlo wanted Ribery.
Against the bigger teams in the more important matches 4-3-2-1 did miracles for Milan. Now, why not change only Seedorf with Ribery ?
Seedorf had 3 great matches against Bayern and ManUtd, but we all remember how "good" and "useful" he was during the season. Check Dev's reviews, Mrki's moaning, Jim's begging to get rid of him. He payed out for his sins with the matches in Munich and against ManU but if he had 2 bad/very bad seasons in a row, what makes you think he'll do better this time when he's getting close to his 32nd birthday ?
Against the weaker opponents, even 4-3-1-2 won't hurt and in these matches Seedorf and Ribery can be rotated, or Seedorf can replace Kaka and give him the rest when you play Reggina and Catania. I know he's kind of Carlo's pet, but i can't help thinking that if Carlo really wanted Ribery it was because he needed him to replace Seedorf.
I think exactly this is the catch. Carlo had plans to replace Seedorf with Ribery which was leaving no room for a top star attacker signing. This is what Berlu didn't want considering he was so fired up to get Dinho.
And if you think about it, if you buy Dinho you get exactly the same situation. This way or the other, Seedorf or the 2nd striker will be sacrificed.
If Milan buy Dinho then it will turn out great for Milan and you can thank God Berlu didn't listen to Carlo.
A risk had to be taken i guess so i'll say i was wrong in my first post when i said not buying Ribery was a mistake. It would have been a mistake only in case Berlusconi didn't have a bigger fish to catch. This way we can discribe it only as a risk taken by not buying him and waiting for Dinho.
I myself am not sure why carlo phoned him, provided that he did, ... maybe Carlo was a bit too "dreamy" from being a fresh CL winner and the enthusiasm was getting the better of him but I am sure that with time he himself realized that Ribery was more of a luxury for Milan and not a necessity.
Maybe Carlo wanted Ribery before he and Milan realized how much it would cost them to land Ribery - it's one thing to want Ribery at 10-15 mil, it's another to go for him at 25 mil, given the options in midfield Milan already has.
after all, he is the reason why Etoo is so heavily linked with Milan given that Silvio's dream is Dinho not Etoo ... so, maybe if Carlo really needs/wants a player, he would know how to push for him.
If we don't get a huge name the not getting Ribery was the mistake of the year, but far since Carlo wanted him. forget the price, see instead of the use he have to the team. When the manager likes him then that is the first stamp of approval and the most important. Him and Kaka behind one striker would have been fearsome. Now I can only wainly hope we go for Moralez instead ;)
Warro Bantan
26-07-2007, 13:01
Dru: I give as good as I get, and since I was winning the debate, I decided to quit while I was ahead.
Ok, so who is Mr. X? Hmmm...good question. Speculation here ranges from:
He is no one...its all lies, to Mr. X= Ronaldinho/Etoo.
My bet is on neither. IMO, it has to be......wait for it.................................................................................................. .................................................................................................... ..........................................................................................George Weah! Yes! The African and European player of the year will make a shocking comeback to the red and black side of Milan, where he will form an incomparable partership with Ronaldo.
Ok, ok ok...I have no idea...and, as much as it galls, and irritates me so to do, I will just have to sit and wait to see who is unveiled on the 31st of August.
Ah well.
Gabriel489
26-07-2007, 13:02
So today, it seems that Motta or Deco is Mr. X.
Can't wait till tomorrow.
Anyhow, I always thought that MOtta or Emerson is the second choice to Tiago. So I guess since we missed out on Tiago(why did he choose Juve, that team is going nowhere!) Just kidding Tony. So having someone like Motta or Emerson or Baptista will really add more depth to our team, which is great, since we are fighting on all fonts and they are as of today far better replacement than Brochhi and to some extend Gourcuff.
As for Deco, I would not say it is a dream come true having him here, but it does make sense to have someone like Deco. As he can fill in the role of Pirlo very well, since he sort of plays that role in Barcelona. Also he can play the role of Seedorf and fill in for Kaka.
Money asides, with the four players mentioned, I actually like Deco and Baptista the most as both of them are pretty solid in more than 2 positions.
As for the so call big name, I just wish they are getting a big name and not someone like the 4 I mentioned, or I will be quite upset since they lied to us again.
I would have no problem with them signing squad players this year, afterall, we just won the CL with this squad. But to come out openly and stated that they will sign a superstar and then covered themselves with second tier stars just does not justifly their actions.
Then again, if Canna is coming to Milan, I will be singing GALLI and Berlu name.
Come to think about it, it is pretty sad that nomatter what Galli or Berlu say now... all they need to do is get one superstar and they are on everyone's good side again.
zlatanov
26-07-2007, 13:02
It is not a assumption, it is a theory. As is things you said since neither of us have backed anything up with facts. anyway, apparently you didn't notice that we agree on that the registring of a new player can be delayed, we said the same thing in the last two posts. What I said I didn't believe in was that a squad is registred for Serie A in august, since nothing like that have ever been recorded on the official site or something like that. I claimed and still claim that only new players are registred with the federation and that is for all competitions.
from what I know, for a player to be registered with the federeation, the FIGC has to receive that players papers ... and those papers stay there until that player doesn't move to another club, should that new club be in another country, it's the FIGC that has to send the papers to that other federation (the club selling the player has to offically ask for it though, as a confirmation to the transfer).
I am not sure, however, if Milan can have the papers sent to the FIGC and then, should Etoo get a EU pass by the deadline, change his status from non-Eu to Eu player in the FIGC registers ... maybe that's a possibility too.
So, basically the papers of players that do not change clubs do not leave the federation but I am still sure that a club has to send the whole list of the players it wants registered to its name for the new campaign (for the old names it would be like a confirmation) ... obviously, for the players not changing clubs, no papers would have to be submitted since their papers are already at the FIGC.
That's what I meant in that first post of mine.
Whether it is true or not, doesn't change anything for the case of Etoo/Dinho as that technicallity is totally irrelevant.
As for the assumption/theory argument, I have a fact to back mine theory with - Milan has not announced Etoo, and if we agree on the late registration thing, then they have no reason not to do it if his transfer had already been arranged, as you claim, and the only thing to wait on is a Eu pass ... after all, if Milan has bagged such an important player like Etoo/Dinho, they would, and can, take him with or without an EU pass.
Another fact is that, as of now, Etoo and Dinho are training and playing friendlies for Barca, and I doubt you would disagree that that wouldn't have been the case if such a multi-million euro deal has been worked out already.
Gabriel489
26-07-2007, 13:09
Zlat although you have a very valid point about the Dinho and Eto situation.
I would just like to add that, even if Milan have agreed with Barcelona about these two players or even Deco. Barcelona will not allow Milan to annouce the signing as Barcelona is having an Asian tour and in that contract, Barcelona stated Dinho, Eto, Henry, Deco, Pugol and Inesta must come on the tour as Barcelona's players, even if they are injured, or Barcelona will be breaching its contract.(Sources from HK newspaper) The reason why Messi was not included was b/c Barcelona knows Messi will be resting after SA CUP.
For the above reason, thats why I believe if Milan have signed Dinho, Eto, or Deco, Milan will not be annoucing it till after Barcelona's Asian Tour.
Motta and Deco can not be Mr.X for a simple reason - they have EU passports (Motta has Italian , Deco has Portuguese) and Galliani said Mr.X is a non-EU who doesn't play in Italy ( what was the word Zlat...ex-comunitario or something :) )
Gabriel489
26-07-2007, 13:10
Motta and Deco can not be Mr.X with a simple reason - they have EU passports (Motta has Italian , Deco has Portuguese) and Galliani said Mr.X is a non-EU who doesn't play in Italy ( what was the word Zlat...ex-comunitario or something :) )
Well, Galli could be lying as always
Warro Bantan
26-07-2007, 13:15
Ok, just thought of something, that I am sure has been mentioned in these 7K, and 484 worth of posts and pages respectively.
Barca seem to want Lampard (who has still not extended his contract with Chelski)...Chelski wont let him go for peanuts, and Barca, will therefore need some loot to bring in the Englishman.
Where will those funds come from? The sale of either Deco, Ronaldinho, or Etoo...to whom you ask? Why FC Thun...(psyche)...Milan of course. :diablo:
zlatanov
26-07-2007, 13:17
Zlat although you have a very valid point about the Dinho and Eto situation.
I would just like to add that, even if Milan have agreed with Barcelona about these two players or even Deco. Barcelona will not allow Milan to annouce the signing as Barcelona is having an Asian tour and in that contract, Barcelona stated Dinho, Eto, Henry, Deco, Pugol and Inesta must come on the tour as Barcelona's players, even if they are injured, or Barcelona will be breaching its contract.(Sources from HK newspaper) The reason why Messi was not included was b/c Barcelona knows Messi will be resting after SA CUP.
For the above reason, thats why I believe if Milan have signed Dinho, Eto, or Deco, Milan will not be annoucing it till after Barcelona's Asian Tour.
valid point, but it really depends on what the contract terms are and what Barca would/could be missing on if they "breach" that contract - after all, an injury to any of those players would mean a 50+ mil deal gone for good ... I doubt selling one of Etoo/Henry or having Puyol injured would bring big losses to Barca, if any, should one of their many stars are missing.
what I mean is that I doubt Barca's contract guarantees them say 15 mil from the tour but if they don;t bring Dinho or Etoo, then they get nothing.
Such clauses I believe are included mostly from fear that teams would keep their stars at home and show up with their reserve teams and thus effectively "kill" the enthusiasm of the tour ... hard to believe that Barca would get "fined" for having one of their stars "missing" because he was sold to another team.
Also, both Etoo and Dinho have been playing firendlies with Barca that are not part of the tour in Asia - if one of them had indeed been sold already to Milan, Barca would have at least avoided the risk of an injury to that player at least in those games (today they play Dundee Utd) even if they couldn't do that for the games in the Asian tour - bascially, the fewer friendlies Etoo/Dinho play with barca, the better it is for the club.
Yeah, and even if that's really the case, Rijkaard would have at least kept them on the bench on the friendlies prior the Asian tour, which isn't the case with Dinho or Eto'o, but IS the case with Deco.
@Warro , I doubt Chelsea will let Lampard go but if they do then Barcelona may easily decide to sell Eto'o or Dinho. After all, with Lampard they'll still have a "Fantastic Four".
Gabriel489
26-07-2007, 13:22
I think I just mislead you Zlat.
My point is that Barcelona would look pretty bad if one of their poster boys for the tour is no longer with them.
More like a respect and face issue.
Anyhow, I mentioned that earlier the original poster does not have Eto. Thats actually made me think that Milan has signed Eto....but now Eto is one of their poster boy, so I guess we did not.
What I am trying to say is that, I would wait till the end of the Barcelona Asian Tour and hopes that Milan would get Dinho or Eto, even though I doubt they could
Gabriel489
26-07-2007, 13:27
But you cannot not play them at all, do you know what sort of reactions the fan will show.
I was at the HK EPL Cup thing on Tuesday and Liverpool did not field Gerrard(injured) Torres, Babel and Lucas(int'l clearance issue). People were upset and felt being cheated. Actually some even wanted to take legal actions, but I think they were just caught by a reporter after the game in the heat of the moment. Anyhow, my point is that, people go to those friendlies or tour b/c they want to see stars, like Dinho, Eto and not players like Maxi Lopez...
But I do agree with Tony that, if Milan is to sign Eto or Dinho, both of them would not have play much, as Milan won't allow them to get hurt.
zlatanov
26-07-2007, 13:28
I think I just mislead you Zlat.
My point is that Barcelona would look pretty bad if one of their poster boys for the tour is no longer with them.
More like a respect and face issue.
Anyhow, I mentioned that earlier the original poster does not have Eto. Thats actually made me think that Milan has signed Eto....but now Eto is one of their poster boy, so I guess we did not.
What I am trying to say is that, I would wait till the end of the Barcelona Asian Tour and hopes that Milan would get Dinho or Eto, even though I doubt they could
that makes my case even easier to prove :D ...
anyway, as Tony said and I added to my previous post, Barca would have at least avoided playing Etoo/Dinho in the other games, not part of the Asia tour.
Just to make my point clearer though - I do believe that Milan has NOT given up on bringing one of these two to Milan this year ... what I have been trying to say however is that the transfer is not DONE yet and if it will happen at all, it is yet to be worked out ... and saving face on the asian tour, considering all the other stars Barca is bringing, would hardly be the main issue in this whole affair.
But you cannot not play them at all, do you know what sort of reactions the fan will show.
I was at the HK EPL Cup thing on Tuesday and Liverpool did not field Gerrard(injured) Torres, Babel and Lucas(int'l clearance issue). People were upset and felt being cheated. Actually some even wanted to take legal actions, but I think they were just caught by a reporter after the game in the heat of the moment. Anyhow, my point is that, people go to those friendlies or tour b/c they want to see stars, like Dinho, Eto and not players like Maxi Lopez...
But I do agree with Tony that, if Milan is to sign Eto or Dinho, both of them would not have play much, as Milan won't allow them to get hurt.
what Pool did was indeed harsh on the fans, but here we are not talking about Barca not playing ALL of their superstars but just one - again, if they could play that player, they would probably do it but this is hardly a reason to risk ruining a DONE deal for an enormous amount of money.
Gabriel489
26-07-2007, 13:33
Well, I have not watch any Barca friendlies, but taking the words aroudn here is that Frank is playing Dinho Eto and Henry... So I guess if Milan has already signed them, I highly doubt Milan will allow them to play heavy minutes.
I never said that Milan has signed any of them, just that if Milan did, they will annouce it after the Asian Tour.
zlatanov
26-07-2007, 13:38
Well, I have not watch any Barca friendlies, but taking the words aroudn here is that Frank is playing Dinho Eto and Henry... So I guess if Milan has already signed them, I highly doubt Milan will allow them to play heavy minutes.
I never said that Milan has signed any of them, just that if Milan did, they will annouce it after the Asian Tour.
there is no difference between these two - in both cases you are assuming that there is a deal (officially announced or not doesn't make a tad of difference).
And an injury to Dinho/Etoo would mean the deal going south ... either way, Milan would not agree for that player to play for Barca in friendly games, whether the announcement is made before or after the Asia tour.
what I am trying to say is this - the Asia tour might influence when the deal is announced but it will not change the fact that Milan would not want it's player - Dinho or Etoo - used in those friendly games, provided that a deal has been made.
thanks for that, care to explain why?
why? why do we need deco for??? we need a striker not a midfielder. We have better midfielders than deco.
Gabriel489
26-07-2007, 13:46
I see I see Zlat.
Anyhow, I am heading to bed,as it is like 2am my time.
Can't wait to see Pool again tomorrow, as it will be fun being the only one screaming SUCKS after everyone in the stadium chanted LIVERPOOL.
And saying stuff like 'THIS IS YOUR LAST GAME KEWELL.... or CROUCH, START EATING...
Maltese Charlie
26-07-2007, 13:46
This is just for you Tony!!!
Now I just realised why you tried to learn Chinese
hmmm......scouting for Juve :grinser: :grinser: :grinser:
Inter, Juve e Udinese seguono 23enne cinese Chen Tao
16:01 del 26 luglio
L'Inter poterbbe portare ad Appiano Gentile in prova l'attaccante cinese Chen Tao che lo scorso hanno non ha potuto accettare l'invito della società nerazzurra a causa di un infortunio. A riferirlo è stata la radio cinese Radio Internazionale. Il periodico di Pechino 'The First' informa invece che anche Juventus e Udinese starebbero seguendo questo 23enne, capitano della nazionale cinese. Chen Tao aveva anche provato in Olanda, al Psv e in Belgio all'Anderlecht, senza tuttavia convincere del tutto.
Kaka1899
26-07-2007, 13:47
why? why do we need deco for??? we need a striker not a midfielder. We have better midfielders than deco.
Yes but if we got deco we could play a formation such as
-------------Ronaldo-----------------
----------Deco------Kaka------------
----Seedorf----Pirlo--Gattuso--------
--Janku-----Nesta---Bonera--Oddo--
--------------Dida------------------
Then Caletto has his beloved Xmas tree formation.
The attacking potential would be much higher and we would have to commit too many players forward maijng the defense a bit stronger and more protected against counter attacks.
Hasan Rossonero
26-07-2007, 13:51
Mr. X is Ronaldinho. Remember, you heard it here for the 8th time. :D
Yes but if we got deco we could play a formation such as
-------------Ronaldo-----------------
----------Deco------Kaka------------
----Seedorf----Pirlo--Gattuso--------
--Janku-----Nesta---Bonera--Oddo--
--------------Dida------------------
Then Caletto has his beloved Xmas tree formation.
The attacking potential would be much higher and we would have to commit too many players forward maijng the defense a bit stronger and more protected against counter attacks.
I'm sorry but i cannot agree with you. In that case we can still play Ambro instead of Deco. And we can use the xmas formation too. But we still need a striker. Certainly not Baptista. He s not a Milan player.
Dru: I give as good as I get, and since I was winning the debate, I decided to quit while I was ahead.
Whatever you say meh brethren (if you asked me ther was nothing logical you could say to retort :uhm: ) but I consider you my friend and don't want to mess up that so let's drop this OT nonesense :p155:
Anyway back to topic I hope the Ribery fiasco further proves my fustration that we are letting great players slip though the cracks
I really hope Mr X is Ronaldinho ;)
But I'd settle for Aguero :stuckup:
Russo-Neri
26-07-2007, 13:55
Can we all just stop the Eto'o-Dinho speculation??? It's time to accept that it's not going to happen. I read this forum everyday and everytime I read it, I get this renewed hope from all the comments here. But enough already, let's talk about more realistic signings. Talk of the Eto Dinho should be discussed in the Fantasy Signings thread.
I hate to be so negative, but everyone here is reaching at straws and I think it's getting silly. If we sign Eto/Dinho that's great (!) and I'll be the happiest person in the world. But there has only been news or events pointing that we won't - so why are we still talking about it?
Warro Bantan
26-07-2007, 13:58
Can we all just stop the Eto'o-Dinho speculation??? It's time to accept that it's not going to happen. I read this forum everyday and everytime I read it, I get this renewed hope from all the comments here. But enough already, let's talk about more realistic signings. Talk of the Eto Dinho should be discussed in the Fantasy Signings thread.
Kindly provide us with a list of such players, and we will gladly discuss, until then: Mr X = Weah! :diablo:
why? why do we need deco for??? we need a striker not a midfielder. We have better midfielders than deco.
Yes we do need another midfielder (amongst others) and to say we don't need him is being ignorant of how influential he has been in the success of the Barcelona team.
I will stay true to my ways Tony :D As
Deco - Pirlo - Gattuso
would be better than
Seedorf - Pirlo - Gattuso
zlatanov
26-07-2007, 14:01
Can we all just stop the Eto'o-Dinho speculation??? It's time to accept that it's not going to happen. I read this forum everyday and everytime I read it, I get this renewed hope from all the comments here. But enough already, let's talk about more realistic signings. Talk of the Eto Dinho should be discussed in the Fantasy Signings thread.
I hate to be so negative, but everyone here is reaching at straws and I think it's getting silly. If we sign Eto/Dinho that's great (!) and I'll be the happiest person in the world. But there has only been news or events pointing that we won't - so why are we still talking about it?
well, given how dynamic Milan's transfer market is, I guess speculating about Dinho/Etoo is all people here have left :grinser:
well, given how dynamic Milan's transfer market is, I guess speculating about Dinho/Etoo is all people here have left :grinser:
It's not like we can talk about Galliani's latest hair style is it? :sagrin:
Maltese Charlie
26-07-2007, 14:05
Can we all just stop the Eto'o-Dinho speculation??? It's time to accept that it's not going to happen. I read this forum everyday and everytime I read it, I get this renewed hope from all the comments here. But enough already, let's talk about more realistic signings. Talk of the Eto Dinho should be discussed in the Fantasy Signings thread.
I hate to be so negative, but everyone here is reaching at straws and I think it's getting silly. If we sign Eto/Dinho that's great (!) and I'll be the happiest person in the world. But there has only been news or events pointing that we won't - so why are we still talking about it?
My friend, its time to invest in a cristal ball.
There are several types in the market, but the cheaper ones are enough.
You will be able to see things 1 month in front, so then you can join the club. :devf: :zany:
Russo-Neri
26-07-2007, 14:14
You guys are all hillarious! :dielaugh:
http://www.milanmania.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23015
Here !
I opened an interesting thread to see how good you know Milan.
The winner gets 8 days in Mallorca.
P.S : Warro and Charlie are not allowed to answer question #3 !
:D
Yes we do need another midfielder (amongst others) and to say we don't need him is being ignorant of how influential he has been in the success of the Barcelona team.
I will stay true to my ways Tony :D As
Deco - Pirlo - Gattuso
would be better than
Seedorf - Pirlo - Gattuso
our priority is definetely an attacker. we have enough midfielders. and they are good. and that is the most intelligent move we can do.
you can never have too many good players and Deco is a good player, one that will improve our squad.
Anything that will always improve the squad should be welcomed.
No need to hide my feelings .... i'd kill to have Deco in Juve and i'd hate it to see him in Milan. That's why i don't understand how come some of you are totally against Deco coming to Milan.
The reason is simple, He dived like nobody's business. If i have to rank the players who dived the most:
1. Deco
2-10. Blank because nobody come close to matching his diving antics.
Do i need youtube to prove my point about his diving? That is the same reason i don't welcome inzaghi to Milan. I only give him the thumbs up when he cut down most of his diving.
you can never have too many good players and Deco is a good player, one that will improve our squad.
Anything that will always improve the squad should be welcomed.
Jim I never said Deco is not a good player. In fact I think he s an excellent midfielder. But, definitely, our main priority is an attacker. Then we can welcome Deco too.
well, given how dynamic Milan's transfer market is, I guess speculating about Dinho/Etoo is all people here have left :grinser:
100% well said :5ok:
Tiago and Ribery are completely dif midfielders, Tony ... saying that if Milan doesn't go for one should mean not going for the other is like saying that if Milan doesn't need a Gattuso, then they shouldn't go for a Kaka.
I agree that Ribery was one of the best attacking mids out there although I do bleieve that 25 mil for him was a bit too much.
Still, I can't say that Milan missed on him simply because Milan, with kaka and Gourcuff already here, doesn't need a player like Ribery meaning Milan doesn't need an attacking mid as expensive, as high profile and as young as Ribery.
Ribery is the type of player Milan would have needed if they didn;t have Kaka as the Frenchman is a player who needs to be a starter in his team, he needs to be at the heart of the attack and if Milan switches back to playing with 2 tsrikers, which is obviously the case given out transfer targets, then one of Kaka and Ribery would have been surplus ... that would NOT have been the case if Milan's primary system was with two attacking mids like last year (Kaka and Seedorf) but last year was more of an exception, trying to fit the system to the players Carlo had available and wasn't an example of how Milan intends to play from now on.
So, all in all, Milan should be looking for an older player who wouldn't mind sitting on the bench now and then - like Deco/Rui/JP (Lyon)/Ze Roberto - but getting a 24 yo player who is brimming with energy and with his whole career before him, would have been a bit too much, not at 25 mil, not with a Gourcuff and a Kaka (only a year older than Ribery) already on the team.
Ribery was perfect for someone like Bayern - a team that was starting a new cycle and they needed a player like Ribery to build their midfield around him and basically make him the heart of their new team, not an occasional starter, which is what he would have been at Milan.
In Italy, a team I can say that missed on Ribery is namely Juve as they need someone to replace Nedved and Del Piero BIG TIME given their age, and the Frenchman would have been perfect for that ... a bit like a second coming of Zidane ... a much better alternative IMO than say van der Vaart, who Juve seem to be very keen on.
I fully agree with your post. We don't need ribery because we have Gourcuff. If we don't have Gourcuff, Ribery would be a great choice for our team.
Graeme C
26-07-2007, 14:45
tuttomercatoweb say something about Milan trying to hijack Chivus move to inter?
Chivu: il Milan chiese al Barca di soffiarlo all'Inter
26.07.2007 20.21 di Gianluigi Longari articolo letto 1340 volte
Curioso retroscena sulla telenovela dell'estate.
Il quotidiano spagnolo Sport, sostiene infatti che nell'unico contatto intercorso tra Galliani e la dirigenza blaugrana, il motivo di dibattito non fosse Ronaldinho, nè tantomeno Eto'o, ma Chivu.
L'ad rossonero avrebbe infatti chiesto a Soriano di acquistare il rumeno per soffiarlo ai cugini nerazzurri.
Jim I never said Deco is not a good player. In fact I think he s an excellent midfielder. But, definitely, our main priority is an attacker. Then we can welcome Deco too.
haha .. when has our management ever done things in a sensible order? :grinser:
The reason is simple, He dived like nobody's business. If i have to rank the players who dived the most:
1. Deco
2-10. Blank because nobody come close to matching his diving antics.
Do i need youtube to prove my point about his diving? That is the same reason i don't welcome inzaghi to Milan. I only give him the thumbs up when he cut down most of his diving.
Drogba, Robben & C.Ronaldo are some of the worst culprits, though Deco is bad at times. However, when i saw him against Chelsea in the CL last season, he really impressed me with the way he ran about and held his own against a physically superior midfield.
Hasan Rossonero
26-07-2007, 14:54
tuttomercatoweb say something about Milan trying to hijack Chivus move to inter?
Chivu: il Milan chiese al Barca di soffiarlo all'Inter
26.07.2007 20.21 di Gianluigi Longari articolo letto 1340 volte
Curioso retroscena sulla telenovela dell'estate.
Il quotidiano spagnolo Sport, sostiene infatti che nell'unico contatto intercorso tra Galliani e la dirigenza blaugrana, il motivo di dibattito non fosse Ronaldinho, nè tantomeno Eto'o, ma Chivu.
L'ad rossonero avrebbe infatti chiesto a Soriano di acquistare il rumeno per soffiarlo ai cugini nerazzurri.
Not quite.
It says the meeting with Barcelona was not over Eto'o or Dinho, but to push the Catalan club into buying Chivu. Why? Because it would be a blow to our blue-and-black cousins.
This story does not seem believable.
zlatanov
26-07-2007, 14:56
Not quite.
It says the meeting with Barcelona was not over Eto'o or Dinho, but to push the Catalan club into buying Chivu. Why? Because it would be a blow to our blue-and-black cousins.
This story does not seem believable.
sound like some journalists are having a slow day too and are trying to keep themselves awake.
Russo-Neri
26-07-2007, 15:07
sound like some journalists are having a slow day too and are trying to keep themselves awake.
Channel 4 is quoting Chivu's agent that Chivu is indeed Inter-bound
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jul26l.html
Why bother with an agent to tell these things when your girlfriend can do it on local tv for free? :D
Stezagud
26-07-2007, 15:14
Hmm...not according to uefa.com, bbc, soccernet, and the guardian. Could be but I seriously doubt it, as English managers have also moaned about this in the past.
But who knows...
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/article2116217.ece
This isnt the actual article i read but it does cover the same ground. There arent any direct quotes as such but it is certainly grounded in fact and the issue of private equity managers earning billions and paying less tax than their cleaning staff proportionally has been big news.
Russo-Neri
26-07-2007, 15:14
Why bother with an agent to tell these things when your girlfriend can do it on local tv for free? :D
Girlfriends are unreliable sources
:zany:
zlatanov
26-07-2007, 15:15
Girlfriends are unreliable sources
:zany:
they are when it comes to leaking "secrets" :D
They just HAVE to tell someone ... they do like to gossip after all :sagrin:
I'm expecting us all to have some backlash from our female members :guw:
zlatanov
26-07-2007, 15:40
for the Etoo/Dinho "gossip-tellers", here is an interesting link:
Dundee Utd. - Barca (http://www.tv3.cat/su/tvc/tvcConditionalAccess.jsp?ALTERNATE=YES&ID_BACKUP=111111255&ID=111111155&QUALITY=A&FORMAT=WM)
P.S. both Etoo and Dinho are playing, the Brazilian is with the captain's armband
Russo-Neri
26-07-2007, 15:55
I'm expecting us all to have some backlash from our female members :guw:
All three of them
We have more than 3 female members, it's just that not many of them post now.
Zlatanov. Let me explain why I say that a deal for Ronaldinho is either done already or will not happen at all.
If there is a deal: Then Barcelona and Milan have agreed on the terms so Barcelona will have a replacement and so that they can reassure the fans that the deal was good. Milan also want the deal done so they won't have to panic buy someone else. in this case they are just waiting for the right time, which could have do with "Rs" eu status and/or some last game with the club.
Personally I feel it is more likely Ronaldinho comes next season, even if the things said by our management implies we are in for him now.
Bosniaco
26-07-2007, 16:22
Off topic I dono if anyone posted this, very nice link for Serie A
http://seriea.tv/
I enjoye this link very much, everything about Serie A. It is also on milan.com
Russo-Neri
26-07-2007, 16:40
Off topic I dono if anyone posted this, very nice link for Serie A
http://seriea.tv/
I enjoye this link very much, everything about Serie A. It is also on milan.com
Cool site, thanks!
am I the only person in the world who thinks that Maxi Lopez could be a great striker? :uhm:
Arildonardo
26-07-2007, 16:45
am I the only person in the world who thinks that Maxi Lopez could be a great striker? :uhm:
Probably... :rolleyes:
am I the only person in the world who thinks that Maxi Lopez could be a great striker? :uhm:
probably yes :grinser: :zany:
Arildonardo
26-07-2007, 16:46
probably yes :grinser: :zany:
Nice post! :grinser:
Warro Bantan
26-07-2007, 16:52
am I the only person in the world who thinks that Maxi Lopez could be a great striker? :uhm:
He could have been, but left River too early IMO...went to Barca, and basically wasnt ready, again IMO, for such a challenge...didnt get enuf minutes, and now (I believe) is on loan again?
GilAttack [11]
26-07-2007, 17:04
He is back with Barcelona, but he wont stick there. Obviously he isnt Milan material.
Warro Bantan
26-07-2007, 17:11
']He is back with Barcelona, but he wont stick there. Obviously he isnt Milan material. I agree with you there!! :5ok:
Kaka1899
26-07-2007, 17:36
']He is back with Barcelona, but he wont stick there. Obviously he isnt Milan material.
and Ricardo Oleveira was?
GilAttack [11]
26-07-2007, 17:41
and Ricardo Oleveira was?
You do the math :grinser:
Kaka1899
26-07-2007, 17:47
']You do the math :grinser:
i failed math :D
Warro Bantan
26-07-2007, 17:51
']He is back with Barcelona, but he wont stick there. Obviously he isnt Milan material.Strange that Rijkaard thinks Lopez is better than Saviola...crazy guy :stupid:
Kaka1899
26-07-2007, 17:58
Strange that Rijkaard thinks Lopez is better than Saviola...crazy guy :stupid:
maybe its his sixth sense? :D
Hasan Rossonero
26-07-2007, 18:18
tgcom says we may be interested in Di Natale.
http://www.tgcom.mediaset.it/controcampo/articoli/articolo372617.shtml
Dr Milano
26-07-2007, 18:29
tgcom says we may be interested in Di Natale.
http://www.tgcom.mediaset.it/controcampo/articoli/articolo372617.shtml
Di natale isnt bad.. hes good but not really what milan should be looking for to say the least :5ok: :respect:
So even if we did sign him it would be a good signing
cause it would mean and extra striker incase of injuries etc ... but other than that ... we should stiill expect more strikers
tgcom says we may be interested in Di Natale.
http://www.tgcom.mediaset.it/controcampo/articoli/articolo372617.shtml
If i got it right, in the same article they say how Julio Baptista should get his Spanish passport immediately after he returns to Spain from his vacation ?
Maybe he really is Mr. X :rolleyes:
Hasan Rossonero
26-07-2007, 18:55
If i got it right, in the same article they say how Julio Baptista should get his Spanish passport immediately after he returns to Spain from his vacation ?
Maybe he really is Mr. X :rolleyes:
Until tonight at least. Tomorrow Mr. X will change.
If Baptista is "mr X" then it is going to be hilarious. After all the crap about a big name, and all these clues that have been giving (basically we are the center of the summer market but havent signed anyone yet :grinser: ), Baptista would be dissapointing. I read a post from Peters a few pages back and I have to agree with him. Why would we get Baptista after letting Oliveira go. I just don't see how that is an improvement. I know Galliani said that it is not Baptista....but then again Galliani says many things.
I believe we had some interest in Di Natale last year...which would have been a good buy for us rather than RO. For this year though, I'd have to say only in a pinch.
I always enjoyed SEEING maxi lopez on the pitch with his hair going wild, but that's about it. Saviola I think would do alot of running for us but in the end would be squeezed out by italian defenses.
I still always am hoping we sign some sort of turbo-charged winger. Why do we always need to rely on Serginho, Cafu, or Janku to do our running down the wings? Last year (especially early) we were so stagnant when we got to the last third of the field-everyone knew it was going to be the Pirlo/Kaka show, and we had no options. Obviously things worked out fine, but why not at least give us a midfield winger option to play out wide, attack from the corner, and swing some good, consistent crosses in for Gila and Big-time Ronnie (remember that chested goal he made?!) to punch in. Plus, it takes the pressure off of Pirlo/Kaka to always be the engine. Nothing wrong with that, imo. Also, Shevchenko used to come out of the box and then run at defenses and it was very effective.
Any thoughts? I'm just trying to throw different options out, because i've been drinking and i'm sick of Ronaldingo/Etoe/John the Baptista just being recycled!
Hasan Rossonero
26-07-2007, 21:47
Today's Gazzetta...a very slow day indeed!
- Milan are after Deco and are not willing to offer more than 15 million euros.
- Since Milan consider Kaka a fourth striker, the Mr. X, according to Gazzetta, is pretty much a midfielder.
- Also, Gazzetta talks about how Marca says Real are going to offer 90 million (so if you read it tomorrow, don't be shocked) for Kaka. Milan, however, according to Gazzetta (and common sense) will reject it as they work towards Kaka's contract renewal to shut those voices from Madrid up. Finally, a telling sentence in Gazzetta was that if Galliani can resist the request of a friend like Florentino Perez for Sheva (in 2001), then it is much easier for him to resist Calderon.
Kaka--7thUCL
26-07-2007, 23:58
I agree with everything you say Hasan, you should honestly consider being milans spokes person or something. Especially on the second point! I was thinking that aswell, I hope its dinho :(
Kaka--7thUCL
27-07-2007, 00:00
But wait, if kaka is considered a 4th striker wouldnt dinho be considered a 6th..damn
Maltese Charlie
27-07-2007, 01:34
The hottest issue of the day on all Italian newspapers is the "Spy Case"
in Formula 1.
It is considered as a big Scandal.
Reports in the Italian Press suggest that Barcelona defensive midfielder Thiago Motta is Milan’s secret transfer target.
Rossoneri Vice-President Adriano Galliani [pictured] has revealed that he is lining up a swoop for a non-EU player and has named him ‘Mister X’.
After a barrage of potential names, sources in the peninsula believe they have identified the mystery man as 24-year-old Brazilian star Motta.
“Mister X is not Julio Baptista or Carlos Tevez,” Galliani hinted. “If possible we will sign Alexandre Pato plus another player.
“We were tempted to try and sign Emerson, but we didn’t want to take the shirt away from Yoann Gourcuff.”
Motta is ready to leave Barcelona after the arrival of Ivorian ace Yaya Toure this summer and technical director Txiki Beguiristain has confirmed the Sao Paulo native is heading for the exit.
“Motta’s time at the club is over,” he confirmed. “We have had numerous offers if he wants to leave.”
Importantly, Motta has Italian citizenship which will leave the Diavoli free to sign Pato in January. It is suggested that the fee demanded by the Catalan club will be just over £5m.
source " http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jul26e.html
LOL, we offered 17m€ (!!!!!) for Baptista and Real Merda wants more :grinser:
Who is nuttier, Galliani or Mijatovic??? :grinser:
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=364680
od course, since goal.com quoted ASs, it may be just another lie :rolleyes:
Reports in the Italian Press suggest that Barcelona defensive midfielder Thiago Motta is Milan’s secret transfer target.
Rossoneri Vice-President Adriano Galliani [pictured] has revealed that he is lining up a swoop for a non-EU player and has named him ‘Mister X’.
After a barrage of potential names, sources in the peninsula believe they have identified the mystery man as 24-year-old Brazilian star Motta.
“Mister X is not Julio Baptista or Carlos Tevez,” Galliani hinted. “If possible we will sign Alexandre Pato plus another player.
“We were tempted to try and sign Emerson, but we didn’t want to take the shirt away from Yoann Gourcuff.”
Motta is ready to leave Barcelona after the arrival of Ivorian ace Yaya Toure this summer and technical director Txiki Beguiristain has confirmed the Sao Paulo native is heading for the exit.
“Motta’s time at the club is over,” he confirmed. “We have had numerous offers if he wants to leave.”
Importantly, Motta has Italian citizenship which will leave the Diavoli free to sign Pato in January. It is suggested that the fee demanded by the Catalan club will be just over £5m.
source " http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jul26e.html
Not a bad signing, but if there's a mr. X and his name is Motta, that would be very dissappointing.
17M€ for Baptista?Is Galliani retarded now? :grinser:
Thank god its an AS report, if that would have been true...
a deal for Ronaldinho is either done already or will not happen at all.
Wow, how long did it take you to come up with that piece of gold? :delol:
It would be nice if we could somehow get Baptista on loan, at least then we aren't making much of an economic committment to him.
As for Motta, i just can't believe we're going for him when for possibly a little bit more money Appiah is available and is a superior player.
Rather than buy Baptista, i'd quite like to see us go for Rosina. It would surely be a better investment.
Milan are ready to launch their final assault on teenage sensation Alexandre Pato, according to the latest reports in Italy.
The 17-year-old, who won the Copa Libertadores and the FIFA World Club Championship last year, is a fast and technically gifted striker who is highly rated by Rossoneri Coach Carlo Ancelotti.
Former player and current official Leonardo is expected to travel to South America shortly to speak with the youngster, who is a reported target for Real Madrid and some English clubs as well.
The Internacional player, who scored three goals for Brazil in the Under-20 World Cup in Canada this month, could arrive in August if a deal can be thrashed out.
However, Pato’s representative Gilmar Veloz recently stated that Madrid was his client’s preferred destination.
Paulo Roberto Falcao, who was in Italy for Roma’s 80th birthday party celebrations, believes that the player has a bright future – but he cannot be rushed.
“In Brazil we are aware of the fact that Pato has attracted the interest of Milan, Real Madrid and Premiership outfits,” he said. “He is a good player, but he is still only 17 – at that age you are only a child.
“He needs time and still has much to learn, but he is definitely talented and very strong from a technical point of view.”
------------------------
Channel 4
Hasan Rossonero
27-07-2007, 06:45
I agree with everything you say Hasan, you should honestly consider being milans spokes person or something. Especially on the second point! I was thinking that aswell, I hope its dinho :(
Actually my post was just quoting Gazzetta, but if I consider a change of profession then I will apply for spokesperson :).
MiamiMilanista
27-07-2007, 08:10
Newsflash, Newsflash....the media throws another name against the wall....Newsflash
This time it's Riquelme. This is getting ridiculous. At first it was me being impatient, but now that we are kicking off the preseason, these new players need time to adapt to the environment and work together prior to the kickoff of the season. In some instances, the last day steal is great, but we need someone to come in and start working. A month from yesterday we kick off the season, i'm thinking we should move sooner than later
Wow, how long did it take you to come up with that piece of gold? :delol:
I also lolled when i read this from Kris but then i saw that i'm laughing for nothing and there's indeed another option
3rd option - A deal isn't done yet but can be done until August 31st
This is the option Kris ruled out and according to him the deal is either done by now (late July) or if it's not done there won't be a deal this summer.
Graeme C
27-07-2007, 09:32
Newsflash, Newsflash....the media throws another name against the wall....Newsflash
This time it's Riquelme. This is getting ridiculous. At first it was me being impatient, but now that we are kicking off the preseason, these new players need time to adapt to the environment and work together prior to the kickoff of the season. In some instances, the last day steal is great, but we need someone to come in and start working. A month from yesterday we kick off the season, i'm thinking we should move sooner than later
i have had the feeling mr X is riquelme... Lets just see :5ok:
Graeme C
27-07-2007, 09:38
Wow, how long did it take you to come up with that piece of gold? :delol:
It would be nice if we could somehow get Baptista on loan, at least then we aren't making much of an economic committment to him.
As for Motta, i just can't believe we're going for him when for possibly a little bit more money Appiah is available and is a superior player.
Rather than buy Baptista, i'd quite like to see us go for Rosina. It would surely be a better investment.
yeah i agree, Rosina is definately a better option! I would like us to try and get a option for him in Jan at least for next season.
With all these rumours of US for Ronaldo i wonder if this season will be his make or break. Well in the sense that if doesnt have a great season he will be off to US before retiring?
Milan_Kaka
27-07-2007, 09:47
So is Mr. X Julio Baptista?
Graeme C
27-07-2007, 09:50
So is Mr. X Julio Baptista?
or riquelme, or me :grinser:
Russo-Neri
27-07-2007, 09:57
So is Mr. X Julio Baptista?
It could be, but the current talk about Baptista is coming from AS - and we all know what a great source of info they are. :devf:
"Journalists" who cover the transfer markets tend to have good imaginations and usually infer a story based completely on circumstancial evidence. We need a striker; Baptista is a striker; Real wants to get rid of Baptista; We mentioned targeting a player on the verge of becoming EU; Baptista is about to become EU (although I haven't seen any tangible proof of that, so this tidbit might be fabricated just to add to the "evidence"). Therego, Milan are going after Baptista. Case closed! :grinser:
Actually, the Baptista story was started by Italian papers, Gazzetta being the ones who stick with this story since the beginning and give the "proves". The other Italian papers followed and this latest 17m euro for Baptista story, AS came up with, is just the icing on the cake.
But they all forget a minor detail : Galliani said Baptista isn't Mr. X
We know papers are always speculating and telling lies and we know Galliani is also telling lies more often than telling the truth.
If the papers are lying that Milan will sign Baptista and Galliani is lying that Milan won't sign Baptista then who's crazy here ? Is it me or is it the world ? Because i'm really confused !
Hasan Rossonero
27-07-2007, 10:31
Riquelme seems to fit the Mr. X description (non-EU, could become EU etc.). He could be a vice-Pirlo, or give us another way of playing. I personally think he is a bit slow, but let's see if it's him, and it if it is, then let's see if he will succeed at Milan.
zlatanov
27-07-2007, 10:33
Actually, the Baptista story was started by Italian papers, Gazzetta being the ones who stick with this story since the beginning and give the "proves". The other Italian papers followed and this latest 17m euro for Baptista story, AS came up with, is just the icing on the cake.
But they all forget a minor detail : Galliani said Baptista isn't Mr. X
We know papers are always speculating and telling lies and we know Galliani is also telling lies more often than telling the truth.
If the papers are lying that Milan will sign Baptista and Galliani is lying that Milan won't sign Baptista then who's crazy here ? Is it me or is it the world ? Because i'm really confused !
you aint crazy, Tony ... you are just falling for the paper-made frenzy created around this "Mister X" guessing competition.
Mister X is the most obvious name out there, a name that's been linked with Milan all summer long but various pre-rehearsed statements - "I want to stay here ... I see my future at club 'Y'" - have fooled the media and they, assuming Mister X is NOT Mister X, started throwing in names from left and right, whether they fit the supposed "profile" or not.
The funny thing is that the media's own naiveness have thrown them scriblers off target and Galliani has them how he likes them - scratching their heads.
P.S. If someone is crazy, I'd say that's the tens of thousands of brain-washed Chinese fans who are still falling for the "EPL best and most entertaining league in the world" hoax and paid a month's wage to watch Portsmouth and Pool walk them to sleep with their reserve teams :D
btw, F. Torres is being F. Torres and Pool are getting exactly what I thought they paid for :diablo:
Wow, how long did it take you to come up with that piece of gold? :delol:
Seriously, think before you post.
P.S. If someone is crazy, I'd say that's the tens of thousands of brain-washed Chinese fans who are still falling for the "EPL best and most entertaining league in the world" hoax and paid a month's wage to watch Portsmouth and Pool walk them to sleep with their reserve teams :D
btw, F. Torres is being F. Torres and Pool are getting exactly what I thought they paid for :diablo:
ya rly!
once again i was surprised how a lot of people have low standards about football. Best my ass, could be most entertaining since theres a little more than just kicking the ball in the air ahead and running to catch it or running into counters. And i was almost sorry for babel and torres... babel was LOST today, he came from ajax to play football but now can only follow what his teammates do (or dont do if u like). Same with torres, first he stays in his atletico for too long, and then goes to england - to liverpool! They buy him, babel, voronin and still have kuyt where crouch should be a starter for their style of play if u ask me. Oh my, transfer period may be shining but i predict a tough season for them with CL being their only hope.
just kicking the ball in the air ahead and running to catch
If God wanted us to play football in the air, then he would have built a pitch in the clouds
Brian Clough (English Soccer Manager, 1935-2004)
Kinda strange coming from an Englishman, but a great quote nevertheless.
zlatanov
27-07-2007, 11:14
If God wanted us to play football in the air, then he would have built a pitch in the clouds
Brian Clough (English Soccer Manager, 1935-2004)
Kinda strange coming from an Englishman, but a great quote nevertheless.
curiously enough, that quote comes from one of the best, if not the best, managers in the history of UK football.
anyways, back on topic - Etoo/Dinho is already a Milan player, it's just that we don't know it yet :grinser:
Seriously, think before you post.
seriously, :devf:
Warro Bantan
27-07-2007, 11:25
anyways, back on topic - Etoo/Dinho is already a Milan player, it's just that we don't know it yet :grinser: Well, I think that neither we, nor they know it yet, but thats fine with me, as long as I see a buck toothed Brazilian or a slim African on the intro page of acmilan.com on 31st August!! :D
I can't believe how in pre-season friendlies people are majorly critical of (a) individual players and (b) a team's performance, especially as that team has new players and is at the start of their preperations!
Give me a break :rollani:
zlatanov
27-07-2007, 11:32
I can't believe how in pre-season friendlies people are majorly critical of (a) individual players and (b) a team's performance, especially as that team has new players and is at the start of their preperations!
Give me a break :rollani:
with the start of the EPL only 2 weeks away, they better not be at the start of the preparations :)
Well, I think that neither we, nor they know it yet, but thats fine with me, as long as I see a buck toothed Brazilian or a slim African on the intro page of acmilan.com on 31st August!! :D
personally, I'd settle for the 30th too :grinser:
alright then ... mid-way through their preperations. Happy?
Well, I think that neither we, nor they know it yet, but thats fine with me, as long as I see a buck toothed Brazilian or a slim African on the intro page of acmilan.com on 31st August!! :D
Ronaldo is bucktoothed, and Aubameyang is from Africa.
I can't believe how in pre-season friendlies people are majorly critical of (a) individual players and (b) a team's performance, especially as that team has new players and is at the start of their preperations!
Give me a break :rollani:
I agree
Just like i disagree when people think that someone will be the next Pele if he plays good in the pre-season matches ( i'm not talking about Ribery, i'm talking about Miccolli. Some co-fans of mine seem to think Juve made an awful mistake by selling Miccolli and all this is because Miccolli had 3 great matches against 4th league teams :rolleyes: )
zlatanov
27-07-2007, 11:38
alright then ... mid-way through their preperations. Happy?
I have to say I am ... with what I saw today, and in the previous couple of games too :diablo:
don't take it too seriously Jim, it's just a joke ... although I stand behind my Torres predictions ... time will tell, I guess. :)
Ronaldo is bucktoothed, and Aubameyang is from Africa.
the first is not bucktoothed enough, as for the tall African player, Warro's had a Spanish passport in his back pocket ... so these don't count :grinser:
i agree too
...just ignore my post and read it again someday in october when 0-0 results with liverpool are starting to fly in again weekly.
Gabriel489
27-07-2007, 12:09
Just came back from the Pool and Portsmouth game.
Babel is fast and quick and smart, how come we did not sign him.
Torres is Torres, I had been telling my Diehard POOL friends that Torres is a very overrated player.... they did not believe me till now. And all they are saying is that Torres just need time, then I told them, get used to it b/c u are going to see more flops from Torres.
Back to the game, I am quite impress with Agger.
Beside Babel and Agger, thats about it, Yossi is pretty quick and Lucas only came in for 15mins, so nothing much from him.
Anyhow, the atmosphere was awesome, actually that was due to I sat with the Portsmouth fan. It was fun and Zlat, the tickets only cost HKD 200 and HKD 350, so thats about 20 pounds and 25 pounds for two games.
Warro Bantan
27-07-2007, 12:43
Babel is fast and quick and smart, how come we did not sign him. Maybe because he isnt Brazilian? :grinser:
Glad u enjoyed the game! :5ok:
GilAttack [11]
27-07-2007, 12:45
Milan: conferme su Riquelme?
27.07.2007 18.33 di Francesco Letizia articolo letto 861 volte
Arrivano indirette conferme dell'ipotesi lanciata quest'oggi dalla trasmissione SILive24 di SportItalia che Juan Roman Riquelme sia il "Mister X" rossonero: la notizia è stata rilanciata in ambienti spagnoli, da cui giungono ancora in queste ore l'eco delle parole dei dirigenti del Villareal che hanno già definito senza mezzi termini "Romy" come inutile al loro progetto. L'assordante silenzio di JR e del suo procuratore Juan Marcos Franchi fa pensare che qualcosa stia bollendo in pentola: l'operazione sarebbe economicamente vantaggiosa per i rossoneri, che con meno di 10 milioni di euro garantirebbero il grande colpo sognato ai tifosi e il tassello di classe e qualità promesso ad Ancelotti.
Off topic but priceless :haha:
He always had great hair stylists
']Milan: conferme su Riquelme?
27.07.2007 18.33 di Francesco Letizia articolo letto 861 volte
Arrivano indirette conferme dell'ipotesi lanciata quest'oggi dalla trasmissione SILive24 di SportItalia che Juan Roman Riquelme sia il "Mister X" rossonero: la notizia è stata rilanciata in ambienti spagnoli, da cui giungono ancora in queste ore l'eco delle parole dei dirigenti del Villareal che hanno già definito senza mezzi termini "Romy" come inutile al loro progetto. L'assordante silenzio di JR e del suo procuratore Juan Marcos Franchi fa pensare che qualcosa stia bollendo in pentola: l'operazione sarebbe economicamente vantaggiosa per i rossoneri, che con meno di 10 milioni di euro garantirebbero il grande colpo sognato ai tifosi e il tassello di classe e qualità promesso ad Ancelotti.
If I get it right, Riquelme = Mr.X for 10mil €?
Great pic Tony. :faint: :haha:
http://www.uefa.com/trainingground/index.html#34004/4096/548691
Pirlo crossbar challenge
What do you all think about signing Baptista, AND mr.x., if he exists? I personally wouldn't mind having him in the team at all, as long as we get someone like Eto'o or Dinho also.
Gabriel489
27-07-2007, 13:27
I had been saying it, Baptista is not a bad signing, since he can play and performs in any midfield roles as well as being a striker. Therefore, he is very useful, alot like Cocu.
The thing is that if he is the so call big signing promise by Galli and Berlu, then I will be upset as I am sure they had no intention of signing Baptista till he scored that goal in the CA final.
Hasan Rossonero
27-07-2007, 13:48
Latest news:
tuttomercatoweb has a quotation from one of Kaka's agents that with 90 million euros (the offer that I wrote about last night), Real think they can change Milan's mind. He also says Kaka should think very well about this offer (as if he hasn't already).
I guess being immoral is part of an agent's job.
The Riquelme rumours are gathering pace, and apparently, according to tgcom, Milan have inserted Kaka as a forward in their team list for next season.
This means that Mr. X, from what I can see, must be an attacking midfielder.
One of these three methinks:
Deco, Riquelme, and Ronaldinho.
We all know who Zlat thinks it is.
Btw, this is a very slow news day...again.
A good back up defender would be Alexis who went to Valencia such as someone said in the past.
Warro Bantan
27-07-2007, 14:11
The thing is that if he is the so call big signing promise by Galli and Berlu, then I will be upset as I am surethey had no intention of signing Baptista till he scored that goal in the CA final. How can you be, unless you are secretly Galliani and not telling us? :grinser:
hitmannq8
27-07-2007, 14:14
It always was a slow day this summer, when was it a fast news day for Milan? If indeed Galliani ends up with 3 quality signings including an impressive Mr X, I will hand it to him as truly being the best in his job and never doubt him. He had all the time in the world this summer and enough finances to get everyone out there, but he hasnt moved at all in the past 8 weeks. He did move for Suazo and failed though. Lets wait and see what happens..
PS: i hope it is not Riquelme..he is a big-game choker, he does not have the winning mentality we need at Milan..he also can not fit into our lineup (unless we play 3 man at the back but if we didnt do that with Nesta, Stam, Maldini then we will never do it)
Riquelme has more football knowledge in the nail of his small finger than 99% of the players have in their head and legs. If he comes to Milan he'll be the most talented player in the team ( yes, i count even Ronaldo and Kaka)
But like i once already said, i think Milan is the last team on earth where he'll be a success.
He may start in the starting XI but as time will pass he'll slowly but surely find himself on the bench.
If Riquelme comes to Milan he'll give his best matches when Kaka won't play and he'll be the alpha&omega then . When both he and Kaka will play at the same time....i have no idea how will that work. Riquelme had 50% of the ball possession everywhere he played and with Pirlo and Kaka it will have to change because he won't be THE playmaker of the team, the only position that suited him, in Boca, Villareal and Argentina.
If Riquelme is only a sub to Kaka and will play only when the Brazilian won't .... then it looks perfect in theory. But i'm not sure how well Riquelme will accept this position in the team.
Warro Bantan
27-07-2007, 14:44
Riquelme´s ego wont allow him to be a bench player, and, in terms of pace, he is even slower than Clarence (if that is physically possible :D )...so I tend to agree with you Tony...while I admire him as one of the best players in the world on his day, he is a choker, and I doubt he will suit our style of play...plus, last but not least, he is Argentine..and we rarely buy players of that nationality....though I think we should.
I don't think Riquelme is appropriate for Milan. The time runs out and i don't know what is happening. I hope like a lot of you to make a great ending at tranfer marcet.
Post any sight of good games
Finally it's official :
Inter signed Chivu for 13m euro + co-ownership of Andreolli (valued 6m euro)
']Milan: conferme su Riquelme?
27.07.2007 18.33 di Francesco Letizia articolo letto 861 volte
Arrivano indirette conferme dell'ipotesi lanciata quest'oggi dalla trasmissione SILive24 di SportItalia che Juan Roman Riquelme sia il "Mister X" rossonero: la notizia è stata rilanciata in ambienti spagnoli, da cui giungono ancora in queste ore l'eco delle parole dei dirigenti del Villareal che hanno già definito senza mezzi termini "Romy" come inutile al loro progetto. L'assordante silenzio di JR e del suo procuratore Juan Marcos Franchi fa pensare che qualcosa stia bollendo in pentola: l'operazione sarebbe economicamente vantaggiosa per i rossoneri, che con meno di 10 milioni di euro garantirebbero il grande colpo sognato ai tifosi e il tassello di classe e qualità promesso ad Ancelotti.
TRANSLATE PLEASE :bri:
Kaka1899
27-07-2007, 15:25
Milan and Real line up there final bids for Pato. Milan hope to unveil him between august 10-15. we have sent Leonardo out to wrap it up, he is to you Ronaldo and Kaka as lures as well as the family atmosphere.
13 million euros? I find that an incredibly cheap deal :googly:
OFERTA DEL MILÁN DE 17 MILLONES POR BAPTISTA
http://www.as.com/articulo/futbol/Oferta/Milan/millones/Baptista/dasftb/20070727dasdaiftb_23/Tes/
El Milán quiere fichar a Julio Baptista. La entidad rossonera ha realizado una oferta de 17 millones de euros al Real Madrid para hacerse con los servicios del brasileño. Ancelotti ha pedido a Berlusconi un jugador polivalente que pueda actuar tanto en la delantera como en el centro del campo y se ha fijado en el madridista. Pero por ahora tendrán que pagar mucho más para conseguir el traspaso de La Bestia, ya que el club blanco considera insuficiente la proposición. Mijatovic ha tasado a Baptista en 20 millones de euros y no dejará irse al brasileño por menos de esa cantidad.
El Madrid se frotó las manos al ver las buenas actuaciones que cuajó Baptista en la Copa América (marcó un gol antológico a Argentina en la mismísima final) por la revalorización que suponía después de cuajar una campaña discreta en el Arsenal. Además, la directiva blanca cuenta con otro factor para insistir en reclamar 20 millones por el futbolista: Baptista obtendrá el pasaporte comunitario antes de que comience la temporada.
Ya se sabe quién es "Míster X". Así ha nombrado la prensa italiana al fichaje secreto que tiene pensado hacer el Milán. Adriano Galliani, vicepresidente rossonero, dio la pista hace una semana: "No es italiano y es extracomunitario, pero es posible que pase a ser comunitario antes de que acabe agosto". En el Bernabéu saben del elevado interés milanista por Baptista y jugarán con ello para tratar de convencer al Milán de que acceda a desprenderse de Kaká.
Baptista ve con buenos ojos la posibilidad de jugar en San Siro. El Milán le ofrece la posibilidad de jugar la Champions y, además, no tendría problemas de aclimatación ya que jugaría al lado de muchos compatriotas: Kaká, Ronaldo, Serginho y Cafú. La posibilidad de jugar al más alto nivel europeo es la que ha llevado al brasileño ha desestimar la oferta que el Villarreal le ha puesto encima de la mesa, ya que económicamente era satisfactoria.
Translation
Milan wants to file to Julio Baptist. The rossonera organization has made a supply of 17 million euros to Real Madrid to take control of the services of the Brazilian. Ancelotti has asked Berlusconi a multipurpose player who can act as much in the advantage as in the center of the field and has paid attention to the madridista. But so far they will have to pay much more to obtain the crossing of the Beast, since the white club considers the proposal insufficient. Mijatovic has appraised to Baptist in 20 million euros and it will not let go away to the Brazilian by less of that amount. Madrid rubbed the hands when seeing the good performances that Baptist in the America Glass materialized (she marked an anthological goal Argentina in the very same end) by the revaluation that supposed after materializing a discreet campaign in the Arsenal. In addition, the white director account with another factor to insist on demanding 20 million by the soccer player: Baptist will obtain the communitarian passport before the season begins. He already knows himself who is "Míster X". Thus he has named the Italian press to the secret draftee whom he has thought to make Milan. Adriano Galliani, rossonero vice-president, gave the track one week ago: "he is not Italian and he is extracommunitarian, but it is possible that it happens to be communitarian before finishes August". In the Bernabéu they know of the high milanista interest by Baptist and will play with it to try to convince to Milan that it accedes to come off itself Kaká. Baptist sees with good eyes the possibility of playing in San Siro. Milan offers the possibility to him of playing the Champions and, in addition, it would not have acclimatization problems since it would play next to many compatriots: Kaká, Ronaldo, Serginho and Cafú. The possibility of playing the highest European level is the one that has taken to the Brazilian has to misestimate the supply that the Villarreal has put to him upon the table, since economically she was satisfactory.
13 million euros? I find that an incredibly cheap deal :googly:
Officially it is 16m euro because half of Marco Andreolli is 3m euro and if you add the 13m you get 16m euro.
Compared to the transfers Real, Barcelona and the English giants make, i agree it looks cheap, but in Italy, Chivu's transfer fee (16m euro) is the highest so far this summer an Italian team payed for a player. Like we concluded with Hasan few pages back.... things are not the same in Italy any more and teams rarely pay +15m euro for a player.
Real offered 18m euro and Roma would have gladly sold him there or in Barcelona, but Chivu himself didn't even want to think about any other team but Inter.
What's with the footballers these days :rolleyes:
Edit : All the sites reported it's 13m+ co-ownership of Andreolli but on Roma's official site it was reported 16m+half of Andreolli. We'll have to wait and see what's the official number. If it's 16m + half of the most talented young Italian defender (as our Interisti friends want to call Andreolli) then it's not a bad deal after all !
This is where Chivu's succesful career ends. :mad:
Terry staying at Chelsea for sure. :mad:
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=365182
Damnit, Milan sits on the transfermoney like a chicken on her eggs, and when we decide to spend some we spend it on a player like Baptista.
Merde. :p155:
But at least we'll have signed someone. :haha:
One positive issue I found in the news today,Kaladze and Simic seem very optimistic about next season, good for the competition in the defence.
Oh, and didn't Berlu promise a young defender?
Any news on that?
Warro Bantan
27-07-2007, 16:18
Damnit, Milan sits on the transfermoney like a chicken on her eggs, and when we decide to spend some we spend it on a player like Baptista. So, Braida, or Galliani, or Berlu have called you to tell you that we are definitively buying Baptista? Or are you starting to believe what you read in the media?
:dontkn:
Its silly season bro...believe nothing, (or everything..thats ur choice) that you see and hear....because I chose to believe nothing, I can go to bed at night without wondering how we will squeeze Baptista into a Milan shirt. :str: :grinser:
Officially it is 16m euro because half of Marco Andreolli is 3m euro and if you add the 13m you get 16m euro.
Compared to the transfers Real, Barcelona and the English giants make, i agree it looks cheap, but in Italy, Chivu's transfer fee (16m euro) is the highest so far this summer an Italian team payed for a player. Like we concluded with Hasan few pages back.... things are not the same in Italy any more and teams rarely pay +15m euro for a player.
Real offered 18m euro and Roma would have gladly sold him there or in Barcelona, but Chivu himself didn't even want to think about any other team but Inter.
What's with the footballers these days :rolleyes:
Edit : All the sites reported it's 13m+ co-ownership of Andreolli but on Roma's official site it was reported 16m+half of Andreolli. We'll have to wait and see what's the official number. If it's 16m + half of the most talented young Italian defender (as our Interisti friends want to call Andreolli) then it's not a bad deal after all !
So you reckon if Milan tried to sign Mancini we'd get an equally cheap deal? I think not :sagrin:
Warro, if we got Ronaldo into a shirt, we can get anyone into a shirt. Shame we can't sign Baptista for a more reasonable 13 million euros.
So, Braida, or Galliani, or Berlu have called you to tell you that we are definitively buying Baptista? Or are you starting to believe what you read in the media?
:dontkn:
Its silly season bro...believe nothing, (or everything..thats ur choice) that you see and hear....because I chose to believe nothing, I can go to bed at night without wondering how we will squeeze Baptista into a Milan shirt. :str: :grinser:
Well no I don't believe what the media says but he seems to be our most likely option, which I find very disappointing.But there ain't much you can do about that huh?
I guess Galliani has fetish for Brazilians with overweight in a Milan shirt. :grinser:
I guess Galliani has fetish for Brazilians with overweight in a Milan shirt. :grinser:
If that's the case we can expect a bid for Romario :grinser:
"Those who have the great players will keep them even though I think that before the end someone will come..."
Clever words by Gattuso
Hmm :nunu:
Riquelme has more football knowledge in the nail of his small finger than 99% of the players have in their head and legs. If he comes to Milan he'll be the most talented player in the team ( yes, i count even Ronaldo :eekani: and Kaka :wth: )
But like i once already said, i think Milan is the last team on earth where he'll be a success.
Warro, if we got Ronaldo into a shirt, we can get anyone into a shirt. Shame we can't sign Baptista for a more reasonable 13 million euros.
I guess Galliani has fetish for Brazilians with overweight in a Milan shirt. :grinser:
......er....er....guys....I think I'd like to have a word with you.... ( drucurl leads ThrusT, Jim and Tony into a dark alley to discuss these statements when suddenly shots are fired from a black unmarked sedan, driving by the alley......the shooter kills all except drucurl who 'mysteriously' survives the ordeal)
:D
So, does Riquelme have EU status? Or will he have it by Aug 31?
And Warro, I must agree with you---if there is anyone slower than Seedorf, then it's got to be Riquelme :)
remote2book
28-07-2007, 00:44
So, does Riquelme have EU status? Or will he have it by Aug 31?
And Warro, I must agree with you---if there is anyone slower than Seedorf, then it's got to be Riquelme :)
if anybody is slower than riquelme than it is this years transfers market... :grinser:
Exactly, which is why Riquelme might be the PERFECT buy for this season's mercato---slow transfer season, even slower "Mr. X" :)
OK guys it's $:44 in trinidad I'm totally :drunk: and all I wanna say is that I love you all and please no riquelmafsuoigasbvgssbi :D
the shooter kills all except drucurl who 'mysteriously' survives the ordeal
right, so now i'm a ghost, i can say what i like! :zany:
if anybody is slower than riquelme than it is this years transfers market...
hahaha ... that's the funniest thing i've read in a long time :ilol:
Hello people!! Greetings from the Adriatic sea where the weather is perfect and I finnaly found internet caffe to say hello to you guys!
Anyway, I saw on Sky that Leonardo is in Brazil to close the Pato deal, and they also say Milan want The Beast - Baptista. We'll see what will happen untill the 31 august but Baptista could be a usefull solution as I've read in Gazzetta taht Kaka' wants another AM and not another forward.
If we cant sign Eto'o, Ronaldinho and so on... maybe we can strenghtern our team with players like Baptista, Motta, Pato so we can rotate more and still have our 1str team squad that is super strong.
Take care guys, I'll be in touch now and then... :devf:
rosoneri_11
28-07-2007, 08:19
Hello people!! Greetings from the Adriatic sea where the weather is perfect and I finnaly found internet caffe to say hello to you guys!
Anyway, I saw on Sky that Leonardo is in Brazil to close the Pato deal, and they also say Milan want The Beast - Baptista. We'll see what will happen untill the 31 august but Baptista could be a usefull solution as I've read in Gazzetta taht Kaka' wants another AM and not another forward.
If we cant sign Eto'o, Ronaldinho and so on... maybe we can strenghtern our team with players like Baptista, Motta, Pato so we can rotate more and still have our 1str team squad that is super strong.
Take care guys, I'll be in touch now and then... :devf:
Hey Mrki! Good to see you again mate. Have nice holidays! :beach:
Hasan Rossonero
28-07-2007, 08:59
Apparently our interest in Juan Roman Riquelme, an anachronistic number 10 in my books but nonetheless infinitely elegant, is more concrete than we think:
Riquelme al Milan: interviene il Boca
28.07.2007 11.18 di Francesco Letizia articolo letto 7009 volte
C'è fermento in Argentina per il possibile passaggio di Juan Roman Riquelme al Milan, come anticipato ieri da Tuttomercatoweb e dalla trasmissione SILive24 condotta dall'esperto di mercato Michele Criscitiello: le ultime novità arrivano direttamente dalla dirigenza del Boca Juniors, club che considera "JR" una bandiera e soprattutto prossimo avversario del Milan nel Mondiale per Club giapponese a dicembre. Il vice-presidente degli Xeneizes, Pedro Pompilio, ha rilasciato una dichiarazione alla stampa argentina confermando l'interesse rossonero per il centrocampista di San Fernando: "E' vero, ci risulta che il Milan sia vicino a formulare un'offerta a Riquelme: pensiamo però, che il giocatore la rifiuterà . Per quanto riguarda noi, continuiamo a monitorare la situazione" ha dichiarato il dirigente auriblu.
---
tuttomercato
The VP of Boca (I think) thinks that we will make an offer that Riquelme will probably reject.
Hasan Rossonero
28-07-2007, 09:15
Santa Cruz has moved to Blackburn.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/b/blackburn_rovers/6918910.stm
Hasan Rossonero
28-07-2007, 09:28
Sorry for the 3rd spam...but
:kap: Bye Bye Santa Cruz...
but in reality I'm like
:djn: bye bye Santa Cruz...
What a free kick by Villa against the merda scum, why didnt we try to sign this player (apart from the obvious fact that hes spanish), he has everything.
Hasan Rossonero
28-07-2007, 10:01
Milan and Real meet in Moscow
Saturday 28 July, 2007
Milan take on Real Madrid in Moscow next week, the chance to discuss Julio Baptista and a new £60m offer for Kaka.
The two clubs will be at the tournament with Lokomotiv and PSV Eindhoven from August 3-5 and it could be a decisive moment in their transfer campaigns.
The Rossoneri will take this opportunity to make their firm £12m bid for striker Julio Baptista, who has returned to Madrid after a spell on loan at Arsenal.
On the other hand, newspaper ‘Globoesporte’ claims that Real have not given up their chase for Kaka and are preparing a record-breaking new offer of £60m.
The Brazilian has made it clear on numerous occasions, including earlier this week, that he has no intention of leaving Milan and that the door to Real “was never open.”
Yet the newspaper quotes Diogo Kotscho, a member of Kaka’s entourage, referring to the latest increased proposal.
“It is an offer that could make Milan change their minds,” he reportedly said. “I think this is an opportunity Kaka should think about carefully.
“The Real Madrid directors are in direct contact with us and are only waiting for Milan to call the meeting to come to Italy and complete the negotiations.”
Kaka’s agent is in Italy at the moment to discuss a contract renewal with the Rossoneri.
----
channel4
Btw I mentioned this 90 million offer to you guys 2 days ago.
I don't think we're after Baptista personally.
The £100 million price on Villa's head by Valencia makes it hard to sign him now ...
The £100 million price on Villa's head by Valencia makes it hard to sign him now ...
Thats obvious when trying to get players from Spain, what have Barca said about their players? The buy out clauses are set so no team can meet them however realistically when they want to sell the players the price is much less, I think Valencia would sell him for £25 - £30 Mill.
Hasan nice one, to be honest Id rather avoid dealing with Madrid at all cost.
zlatanov
28-07-2007, 10:16
The £100 million price on Villa's head by Valencia makes it hard to sign him now ...
if Milan considers itself a great club, they should be ambitious enough and pay all the arms, legs, and tails Valencia is asking for to let Villa go
:grinser:
btw, Inter are looking good ... from a Milan fan's perspective :diablo:
P.S. Here are links to some of today's friendlies:
http://myp2p.eu/Saturday.htm
Riquelme may be slower than an old slug, but otherwise he's sheer CLASS... you see, the guy is a classic number 10, gifted with great creativity, technique and pass skill. I'll be glad if we sign him, definitely.
ForeverMilan
28-07-2007, 10:57
i hope we dont sign Riquelme,Old and slow player.
ACTRADER
28-07-2007, 11:28
Hi everyone, firstly I want to say congrats to the great number of posts and insights on the current state of our beloved football team. I have actually been reading and reflecting on your posts for the last year or so and thought it’s about time I stop being lazy and start participating in your great forums.
Just to let you know I have been a Milan fan all my life and have this complete obsession with team, probably like most members.
Anyway, when it comes to the whole Milan transfer busy, well what is there to say. I am in two minds, no matter how we much we are all disappointed and are critical of the management for what seems their lack of ambition or stinginesss; we are always in the front line in all competitions. We are never discounted from winning anything even if we do have the oldest collection of superstars.
Our team policy is conservative in relation to the fact that we always buy players in their 30's but the importance is that these players do their jobs. When it comes to a player like Riquelme, he was the Argentina’s most important player in this years Copa (even if people say its Messi, everything goes through him), when brazil stopped him they stopped Argentina. Imagine Milan with his passing ability, the through passes for Ronaldo and kaka, the weight off the shoulders of Pirlo to run the game by himself. Milan's options would open up so much more on the field of play. People can’t say that if you stop Pirlo you stop Milan anymore or Kaka, we have another play maker. Plus he scores goals, great goals. I personally think he would add something to the team and would help Milan in many different aspects. We should buy him, and it shouldn’t stop us from getting any other players, including a great striker etc.
BUT
I only dream of us getting Ronaldinho, pls GOD LET IT HAPPEN.
if Milan considers itself a great club, they should be ambitious enough and pay all the arms, legs, and tails Valencia is asking for to let Villa go
:grinser:
btw, Inter are looking good ... from a Milan fan's perspective :diablo:
Honestly, what harm would it do to put an offer of £25-30 million on Valencia's table for Villa? He's just as good, if not better than Etoo and the worst Valencia can say is no. However, i appreciate it's far too late for the Spanish team to accept an offer seeing how they start their season shortly. I just think it was a missed opportunity to 'test the water', though maybe we can come back next january/summer.
I'm sure Milan will look good from an Inter fan's perspective when we play some friendlies Zlat :zany: Suazo played well again, a real livewire. Suazo & Ronaldo could have been sweet, still nevermind ... onwards & upwards :p017:
Does Riquelme have Eu-passport? If he has I will be extremely happy with Riquelme wearing Milan shirt. I'm always obsessed with 10 number like Riquelme, Aimar... But if he doesn't have, I'm not sure who I want between Pato and Riquelme. If Riquelme is 5 years younger, definitely Riquelme.
zlatanov
28-07-2007, 11:40
Honestly, what harm would it do to put an offer of £25-30 million on Valencia's table for Villa? He's just as good, if not better than Etoo and the worst Valencia can say is no. However, i appreciate it's far too late for the Spanish team to accept an offer seeing how they start their season shortly. I just think it was a missed opportunity to 'test the water', though maybe we can come back next january/summer.
and what makes you think, Jim, Milan didn't try to do that ... the lack of rumours in the papers or Galliani not coming out on national TV and declairing "Milan wants Villa"?
In fact, if rumours are to be believed, we did show interest in Villa but maybe his pricetag turned us off - Chelski for one were rumoured not long ago to have offered something like 70 mil for him or whatever but the Valencia president was insisting that if someone wants Villa, that club will have to pay the 120 or 150 mil in his buy-out clause.
I for one doubt that Chelski were ready to offer 70 mil for Villa but if there were such an offer, I am sure it was for A LOT of money - it's Chelski, after all.
I'm sure Milan will look good from an Inter fan's perspective when we play some friendlies Zlat :zany: Suazo played well again, a real livewire. Suazo & Ronaldo could have been sweet, still nevermind ... onwards & upwards :p017:
Suazo was indeed very impresive, at least the spead of the runs he put up there, but chances are all of this enthusiasm to impress his new club and fans will be gone and forgotten once he realises that he is a bench candidate #1 at Inter.
Ancelotti says Riquelme won't be joining Milan and Milan isn't interested in buying the Argie.
Carlo also said that if Pato arrives it will only be in January. He had some nice words about Baptista and says how he thinks the best role for Baptista would be in midfield.
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=all&a=49853
and what makes you think, Jim, Milan didn't try to do that ... the lack of rumours in the papers or Galliani not coming out on national TV and declairing "Milan wants Villa"?
What makes you think they did? Some half-baked rumours that no one really believes? You know as well as i do that all these 'buyout clauses' are just to scare people away. Everyone knows people won't pay these insane amounts of money for a player. If Valencia were offered a good deal and the player wanted to go, they may just take it.
Suazo was indeed very impresive, at least the spead of the runs he put up there, but chances are all of this enthusiasm to impress his new club and fans will be gone and forgotten once he realises that he is a bench candidate #1 at Inter.
But that wouldn't happen here. Here he'd be at the very least 3rd choice striker, if not a starter alongside Ronaldo or Gilardino (depending on who's injured, needs a rest, etc). So his good form and positive spirit wouldn't dissipate with us in the way you think it will at Inter.
Jim, in this case you can't blame the board for not buying Suazo.
You know very well they tried to buy him, they offered more money than Inter did and they even signed the contract with Cagliari.
Suazo chose Inter and there was nothing they could do.
Jim, in this case you can't blame the board for not buying Suazo.
You know very well they tried to buy him, they offered more money than Inter did and they even signed the contract with Cagliari.
Suazo chose Inter and there was nothing they could do.
I'm not blaming the board for not signing Suazo this summer. You're right, they tried to get him but he had chosen Inter. I'm happy that at least we tried.
However, we were strongly linked with him last season and he was a realistic option just like Oliveira. But we chose to ignore him and when you weigh things up, he was the better choice. Not because 1 year on we can see Oliveira's time here didn't go well, but because looking at how each player was situated at the time, Suazo had everything going for him whilst Oliveira was the bigger risk.
So it's more regret than blame i guess.
zlatanov
28-07-2007, 12:35
What makes you think they did? Some half-baked rumours that no one really believes? You know as well as i do that all these 'buyout clauses' are just to scare people away. Everyone knows people won't pay these insane amounts of money for a player. If Valencia were offered a good deal and the player wanted to go, they may just take it.
I am not saying Milan did make an offer, I am saying that we don't know if they did or didn't make an approach ... it's you who is assuming that we didn't go after Villa, and why is that - because there weren't any rumours about it in the papers (actually there were such rumours sometime in June) ... hence, my mentioning of rumours suggesting the opposite since your assesment of Milan's policies is obviously guided by what you read or rather don't read (in this case) in the papers.
My point is that, in reality we have no clue what Milan has done or hasn't done for a fact.
But that wouldn't happen here. Here he'd be at the very least 3rd choice striker, if not a starter alongside Ronaldo or Gilardino (depending on who's injured, needs a rest, etc). So his good form and positive spirit wouldn't dissipate with us in the way you think it will at Inter.
you are probably right but it wasn't me or Milan who made that decision, it was the player and that would mean he'd be the one to bare the consequences.
I am not saying Milan did make an offer, I am saying that we don't know if they did or didn't make an approach ... it's you who is assuming that we didn't go after Villa, and why is that - because there weren't any rumours about it in the papers (actually there were such rumours) ... hence, my mentioning of rumours suggesting the opposite since your assesment of Milan's policies is obviously guided by what you read or rather don't read (in this case) in the papers.
Why would they feel the need to keep it top secret like a piece of military information? There's no reason to. Where's the harm in saying 'We've approached Valencia over an official £25 million deal for Villa and they've said no'?
Saying that no bid has been made because there is no official statement is just as easy as saying a bid might have been made but we just weren't told about it. You prefer to think you're right by not ruling out a bid due to the theory 'we the plebs don't need to be told, don't need to know everything' and i prefer to think i'm right because no official notice was made, no approach was reported.
Stalemate :devf:
Graeme C
28-07-2007, 12:47
I'm not blaming the board for not signing Suazo this summer. You're right, they tried to get him but he had chosen Inter. I'm happy that at least we tried.
However, we were strongly linked with him last season and he was a realistic option just like Oliveira. But we chose to ignore him and when you weigh things up, he was the better choice. Not because 1 year on we can see Oliveira's time here didn't go well, but because looking at how each player was situated at the time, Suazo had everything going for him whilst Oliveira was the bigger risk.
So it's more regret than blame i guess.
and i dont want Baptista for the same reason i didnt want Oliviera. Im getting sooo frustrated with our transfers situation. Next year we are really going to struggle, well unless they expect most of the defenders to play well into there 40s...
zlatanov
28-07-2007, 12:55
Why would they feel the need to keep it top secret like a piece of military information? There's no reason to. Where's the harm in saying 'We've approached Valencia over an official £25 million deal for Villa and they've said no'?
................
Stalemate :devf:
I, as a fan would love that to be the case but obviously it isn't as clubs rarely, if ever, do such things ... and I am sure they have their reasons - things that we have or at least tried to discuss here - for doing it as it is more or less a customary thing in this business.
1 up for me :grinser:
I, as a fan would love that to be the case but obviously it isn't as clubs rarely, if ever, do such things ... and I am sure they have their reasons - things that we have or at least tried to discuss here - for doing it as it is more or less a customary thing in this business.
1 up for me :grinser:
But if neither of us know for certain what has happened regarding Villa, how can you be 1 up?
Point deducted for code violation. New score 0-0 :grinser:
Two badly translated snippets from Calciomercato:
Pato-Milan: ' Leonardo in Brasi them? I to incontrarlo' will not be
14:44 of the 28 July
Alexander Pato is stews to feel to speak about market. Interviewed from the situated Globoesporte.com on the travel of Leonardo in Brasi they, the jewel of the Internacional cut short. "Leonardo comes in Brasi them on purpose for me? Agent Gilmar Veloz will be based to the table with mine and with the president of my club Vitorio Pifero, not with me ", she has declared. Pato is followed also from Inter, Chelsea and Real, but the Milan is in clearly advantage in the negotiation.
Baptista removes the Milan: ' I want to remain to the Real'
18:48 of the 28 July
The Milan could embed an other heavy one not, the Brazilian Julio Baptista, confirmation to the sport daily paper Spanish As, the will to remain to Madrid: "I return here with an only idea in head, that one to remain to the Real. when I will go in withdrawal I want to convicnere Schuster that I can it are useful to this square. Two years have arrived ago and I have not had fortune ". Baptista, than to short would have to become communitarian, complicates the plans of the Milan, that it will have to address elsewhere, to this point, the only feasible transaction is that relative one to engages of the Pato young
I think the first is basically saying that Pato knows nothing about Leonardo visiting Brazil and if he does visit, it'll be to talk to his agent and club and not Pato himself.
The second sees Baptista reiterating his stance that he wants to impress Schuster and be given a chance at Real. That he's not looking for a move away from Spain.
And so the dramas continue ...
Hasan Rossonero
28-07-2007, 14:14
acmilan.com:
MILAN SOUL ABOVE EVERYTHING
7/28/2007 7:07:00 PM
Ahead of the first friendly of the season, the coach anticipated the formation and said that what makes Milan strong most of all is its soul.
MILANELLO - Here are the themes discussed by Carlo Ancelotti in today's press conference held at the Rossoneri's sporting center:
Tomorrow at Lecco against the local team, Milan will be playing their first friendly of the season. What kind of Milan will it be? "We have to expect normal things, we are at the end of the first week of training, we now have a friendly that closes off this week, which has been positive. We're not expecting anything particular, the team knows its mechanisms, we are only aiming to improve our condition. From this point of view, it's been a good week, there haven't been any mishaps, all the players have worked and prepared well."
Concerning to possible formation for tomorrow: "We will put out two mixed teams. In the first half we should have: Dida, Cafù, Bonera, Kaladze, Serginho, Gattuso, Brocchi, Gourcuff, Kakà, Seedorf and Ronaldo".
Is Pippo Inzaghi unavailable? "I don't know but he has had some problems: I'm not yet sure whether he will play."
What are Milan looking for compared to last year? "We are looking to be more consistent. Last year we had an inconsistent start due to several factors. This year however we have the possibility and also the opportunity to start off better".
Then on the transfer campaign: "The team is already strong as it is now. Either a new player comes who can make a difference or we will keep with the current group of players who have given us ample guarantees regarding their reliability. We are talking about top-level players and those who have them, keep them: that's normal. As far as we're concerned, again, at the risk of becoming boring I say: if there is a good opportunity then we will buy someone otherwise we will keep this team which has won the Champions League."
On Pato: "He's a player with a great future, but not someone we interested right now."
How did he see Ronaldo: "Just like the others, he worked consistently, he was very available, and spent a lot of energy. This week has been very good for him, especially for the future."
As far as Gilardino is concerned, who will not be there against Lecco tomorrow: "Gilardino is working on his own, he is recovering from his meniscus operation, I think that within three to four days he could join the rest of the team."
On the team's general conditions: "The players all arrived well prepared, one more than the other, they worked during the vacations and generally they are in good shape. We have been able to do some intense work."
Will Kaká be playing often as a striker? "We'll have the opportunity to play in both ways. The system we use now gives us security, which gives us guarantees for the top-level matches."
For Ancelotti, is Baptista a striker or a midfielder? "He's a good player, he can play in both roles. His origins are as midfielder."
On Maldini: "On 30 July he will unite with the team. Halfway through September he should be ready to play".
How much have Inter reinforced? "Only the pitch will say that, Inter have got great players, they had them last year even without Chivu and Suazo. They can't play with more than eleven men: only results on the pitch will say how much they have improved with these signings."
Again on the transfer campaign: "It always remains to be seen whether the players you buy are useful to the team. Every team has made some moves because it seemed necessary and useful to them, but it's always a question how useful a transfer campaign is."
Regarding Milan's interest for Riquelme: "No, it doesn't exist, it came out like this, I don't know how come."
Then again on the market: "There is time until 31 August and then there is also the January transfer window. A great player could come in January, it isn't certain he has to come now. The Milan fan should believe in the strength of this team which is not bound to the players we buy but to the team's soul, this should give them serenity."
Again on Pato: "Eventually he would come only in January."
On Kaká and what has been a recurring story this summer, the coach was ironic: "He's very tired, he's completely confused about all these rumours: he doesn't sleep, he doesn't eat... he's a destroyed man!"
hitmannq8
28-07-2007, 14:27
Then again on the market: "There is time until 31 August and then there is also the January transfer window. A great player could come in January, it isn't certain he has to come now. The Milan fan should believe in the strength of this team which is not bound to the players we buy but to the team's soul, this should give them serenity."
BOOOOOOOOOOOO
ginoformaggino
28-07-2007, 14:46
acmilan.com:
MILAN SOUL ABOVE EVERYTHING
MILANELLO
On Kaká , Carlo was ironic: "He's very tired, he's completely confused about all these rumours: he doesn't sleep, he doesn't eat...
he's a destroyed man!"
:5ok: yeah :diablo: destroyed just like Don Biberon :devf:
Graeme C
28-07-2007, 14:59
BOOOOOOOOOOOO
yeah exactly, the everything is fine stuff.im not holding my hopes up for the season...
I understund that we will sign some players, but at the moment he tries to keep his cards closed and to show that he believes in the current squad. Believe me i had been to unlimited press conference and the 90% percent of times, i catch what he means. I hope to succeed another one time :5ok: .
anyone knows who's showing the game tomorrow?
Arildonardo
28-07-2007, 18:10
What happened to the new golden boy of ukrainian football, Artem Milevskiy? Is he going anywhere? I remember him as a great talent, and he's still only 22 if I'm not wrong. Anyone?
zlatanov
28-07-2007, 19:09
anyone knows who's showing the game tomorrow?
Milan Channel should be showing it:
http://e-televizor.com/channel.php?cid=991
the game starts at 18.00pm CET, 12.00pm EST
Milan Channel should be showing it:
http://e-televizor.com/channel.php?cid=991
the game starts at 18.00pm CET, 12.00pm EST
wow, is that really milan channel? I thought milan channel like a tv programm (not online tv). GReat web, Zlat!! Thanks!
if pato comes it will be in january, he is only 17. if we dont sign a big player this summer, i am still satisfied, they are all european champions anyway and they will have a far better preparation than last season!
off topic, if baresi's jersey retired, why has gianni rivera's not?
zlatanov
28-07-2007, 20:18
wow, is that really milan channel? I thought milan channel like a tv programm (not online tv). GReat web, Zlat!! Thanks!
it is Milan Channel, an online stream of the real thing ... actually all these online streams are TV channels in their own right (satTV or cable).
btw, we should thank Rayno for the link :):
http://www.milanmania.com/forums/showpost.php?p=444452&postcount=95
it is Milan Channel, an online stream of the real thing ... actually all these online streams are TV channels in their own right (satTV or cable).
btw, we should thank Rayno for the link :):
http://www.milanmania.com/forums/showpost.php?p=444452&postcount=95
Aha! Thanks, Rayno! Great stuff! It's nice to watch the players train. [I have to llearn italian as soon as possible so I can understand a little bit about the news on that channel :)]
remote2book
28-07-2007, 20:52
hey guys when i click on the link it comes up and shows windows media player but it says 'READY" and does show anything would any1 know how to fix that thnx?
zlatanov
28-07-2007, 20:58
hey guys when i click on the link it comes up and shows windows media player but it says 'READY" and does show anything would any1 know how to fix that thnx?
my guess is you are using firefox but don't have a windows Media player plugin for the browser (you can still run the stream in IE though).
Here you can get the firefox plug-in; download and install it (you must have XP Sp2 though):
http://port25.technet.com/pages/windows-media-player-firefox-plugin-download.aspx
EDIT:
another way to do this is add this IE tab to your firefox browser, once it's added, just click it and it will reload the page in IE but still within firefox window:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1419
the good thing about doing it with the IE tab is that it's Windows Version independent (meaning you don't have to have SP2 necessarily)
Blacktop
28-07-2007, 23:52
he's completely confused about all these rumours[/B]
I don't doubt it.
remote2book
29-07-2007, 03:41
got it zlat thnx for the help but i was on another computer now iam homw works fine
hishamilan
29-07-2007, 06:10
mods ! i am sorry but please i am lost now where is my last post ?
hishamilan
29-07-2007, 06:26
ok i got them thanks for the clarification zlat but here are some questions :
1) if we have been tracking banega for a while why not get him any way ? i realise he is a starter now after gago left but if we don't get him now he will end up at inter...!
2) why not get cheillini if he is now linked with a move out " to man city probably " as he is an italian with exp. stamina and he is young
3) if we would risk paying 100-110 mil. to get such an in-consistent player like R10 why don't we put those money to bring in a much better goal scorer" VILLA" ?
4) WHAT ARE OUR HOPES OF SIGHNING ANY PLAYER OTHER THAN BA ?
5) is it bothering any one that i disappear for 4-5 days and then come up asking for answers to my posts?
I'd settle with Chiellini in defence...don't know why we aren't trying to get him...
Zlat...i already download the plugin and installed it successfully...but still nothing happened on the bulgarian languaged website???.....please enlighten me....tq
Bye Bye Riquelme :kap:
(actually I'm pretty glad...he is the person that would screw u our team spirit...which is really the best thing we have)
ok i got them thanks for the clarification zlat but here are some questions :
1) if we have been tracking banega for a while why not get him any way ? i realise he is a starter now after gago left but if we don't get him now he will end up at inter...!
2) why not get cheillini if he is now linked with a move out " to man city probably " as he is an italian with exp. stamina and he is young
3) if we would risk paying 100-110 mil. to get such an in-consistent player like R10 why don't we put those money to bring in a much better goal scorer" VILLA" ?
4) WHAT ARE OUR HOPES OF SIGHNING ANY PLAYER OTHER THAN BA ?
5) is it bothering any one that i disappear for 4-5 days and then come up asking for answers to my posts?
1. GilaAttack explained the situation with Banega earlier. Real has an option on him but even if they buy him they'll get him after 2 years because Boca will not sell now.
2. I'm not so sure anymore if Chiellini will leave Juve. After Coboli Gigli today even Blanc came out and said that Chiellini is indispensable and how he'll do everything to keep him. Yesterday Ranieri said that if it's up to Juve Chiellini will stay with the team. It's up to Chiellini i guess.
There is absolutely no reason to blame Galliani if Chiellini stays in Juve or goes to City. There was/is no chance Juve directors to sell the young man even to Manchester City without protests from the fans. If they sell him to Milan they'll better move from the country :)
It will be stupid to blame Galliani for not getting a Juve player. It's similar to Inter fans blaming Moratti if he won't buy them Nesta.
3. Ronaldinho is still the best player in the world (imo). 110m is crazy but Berlu is willing to give these money. And if the choice is Dinho or Villa (even if there's a difference of 60m) i will always chose Ronaldinho.
And i don't see how is Ronaldinho inconsistent ?
4. Signing any player...chances are 100% you'll sign a player. As for the star signing(s) many hope to see in Milan, chances are lower than 50%.
5. Your questions are ok but your disappearance is what's worrying me... or is it the other way around :D
Lol, it is not a problem at all man :5ok:
ACMILAN1983
29-07-2007, 08:36
ok i got them thanks for the clarification zlat but here are some questions :
1) if we have been tracking banega for a while why not get him any way ? i realise he is a starter now after gago left but if we don't get him now he will end up at inter...!
2) why not get cheillini if he is now linked with a move out " to man city probably " as he is an italian with exp. stamina and he is young
3) if we would risk paying 100-110 mil. to get such an in-consistent player like R10 why don't we put those money to bring in a much better goal scorer" VILLA" ?
4) WHAT ARE OUR HOPES OF SIGHNING ANY PLAYER OTHER THAN BA ?
5) is it bothering any one that i disappear for 4-5 days and then come up asking for answers to my posts?
Tony has mostly answered, but to quickly give my thoughts..
1) Real have a better chance of getting him and have a superb relationship with Boca. Also being Argentine, it's more complex as he may find it difficult to fit in at Milan.
2) Juve aren't likely to sell to Milan. It also depends on who else management have an eye on for that spot.
3) We don't need a goalscorer, as we have 3 top level goalscorers in the squad already (R99, Gila, Pippo). We're better off getting someone who can compliment these players with Kaka.
4) Almost certain we'll buy at least 1 top level player, who it is or others we'll get are tough to predict.
5) Not really.
Some Sunday news
1. Another shock for Real - Jose Antonio Reyes will play for Atletico Madrid. Arsenal accepted the 12m euro offer. In Real they were sure they'll get Reyes. After Kaka and Robben this is another blow for Calderon (Marca)
2. Even though they took Juan and Andreolli to replace Chivu, Spalletti thinks Roma needs another defender and the Reggina defender Modesto is the one Spalletti wants.
3. The most talented USA player, Freddy Adu will probably play for Benfica next year. His price is 1.5m euro.
When we got Kaka we were fresh after winning a CL, lets hope we can get another player like him.
zlatanov
29-07-2007, 12:06
Zlat...i already download the plugin and installed it successfully...but still nothing happened on the bulgarian languaged website???.....please enlighten me....tq
not sure what the problem might be - ususally, with mozilla, it's the missing WMP plug in that creates the problems mentioned above - shows the window of the player but never connects/buffers and just stays in "Ready" state.
the WMP plug in works with XP Sp2 only and works great really, never encountered any problems on several dif PCs ... maybe you could try with the IE plug in for mozilla, and open the page in IE (still within firefox that is).
I have the same problem with Mozilla, but i never have problems opening it in Internet Explorer and i guess that will have to be the solution in your case also Ario.
A great player could come in January, it isn't certain he has to come now.
hahaha that one was funny. It was winter not so long ago that i remember galliani said something like - its hard to buy a great player in january since all of them are taken and CL tied. We will buy a great player in summer!
Ah well :5ok:
Ps - opa, r99 was bought! So... if ronaldinho starts gaining weight and barca decides its best to dich him, then we might have a chance.
remote2book
29-07-2007, 12:12
wat do you guys think of think of freddy adu..i live in the USA so he is kind of a big deal over here....he does have a lot of talent and played very well against brazil and capatined the side in fifa u-20 wc..
pato likes milan he hopes milan will sign hime
Gabriel489
29-07-2007, 12:41
can someone pls fill me in why Milan is meeting Real.
And just for the sake of arguments, if Real offers 30M+Baptista+Cannavaro+Robino+Ramos+Casillias, would you take it.
I would not trade Kaka unless the other team is offering Eto + Dinho.
Hasan Rossonero
29-07-2007, 12:43
can someone pls fill me in why Milan is meeting Real.
And just for the sake of arguments, if Real offers 30M+Baptista+Cannavaro+Robino+Ramos+Casillias, would you take it.
I would not trade Kaka unless the other team is offering Eto + Dinho.
The media says they're meeting for Baptista when the two team play their friendly. And no, I wouldn't.
pato likes milan he hopes milan will sign hime
some badly needed good news
Only "Fantastic" Milan For Pato Alexandre Pato has once again snubbed interest from Chelsea, Real Madrid And Inter Milan, reiterating his desire to join AC Milan.
Only "Fantastic" Milan For Pato
Top clubs from England, Italy and Spain have all been chasing Pato, but the promising Brazilian has eyes only for Milan.
"Milan are flying over to Brazil to sign me? That is fantastic," he told the media in Brazil.
"But I won’t be meeting with their emissaries unless Internacional and my agent Gilmar Veloz give me the go ahead.
"All I can do is wait and hope."
Leonardo, Milan's man in Brazil, will fly to Porto Alegre tomorrow to discuss the move, though Ancelotti insisted yet again on Saturday that the player is unlikely to arrive this summer.
"He is a fantastic player, but not one we are interested in at the moment," the Milan coach declared yesterday.
However, the bosses know they need to hurry in the face of competition, and want to arrive at an agreement which would see the player stay in Brazil for 6-12 months before completing a move to Milan.
Real Madrid, Inter and Chelsea are all ready to match or even better the Rossoneri offer, and continue to hover despite the player having publicly indicated his desire to join Milan.
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=366677
Why you post so often? ..... :grinser:
wow this tread is so active today.... :zany:
Hasan Rossonero
29-07-2007, 20:19
So the question now is Mr. X the same "unsuspected player" Ancelotti was talking about?
Could it be Zambrotta? Could it be Cannavaro? Who are these players?
I believe the surprise signing will be the unsuspected player Ancelotti was talking about.
Russo-Neri
29-07-2007, 20:20
wat do you guys think of think of freddy adu..i live in the USA so he is kind of a big deal over here....he does have a lot of talent and played very well against brazil and capatined the side in fifa u-20 wc..
Where are you in the US? As far as Adu, I think Altidore is much more promising.
Maldini+Nesta
29-07-2007, 21:12
Pato would be great, but I don't want Milan breaking the bank
on him. I have a sneaky suspicion that in the next 5 yrs tons of legends
are going to retire and the needs will be many throughout the side.
:respect:
Hasan Rossonero
29-07-2007, 22:29
Today's Gazzetta:
Galliani and Mijatovic have met over Baptista and Cassano. This meeting definitely took place as Gazzetta has pictures of it (unless they're fake, but I doubt it).
- Milan want to offer 12 for Baptista, but Real want 20 million euros. Gazzetta pegs this transfer at 40% for us. Inter are also interested in Cassano. Gazzetta says the chances of Cassano to Inter are 40% and Cassano-Milan 30%.
- Monday, Leonardo will try and finish the Pato deal. Chances for us 50%, while for Chelsea and Inter 25% each.
- Our main objective, however, remains Eto'o, and Gazzetta thinks it's a 50-50 chance that he'll end up with us.
- Finally, Ancelotti responds to Schuster who said that Real have a suitcase of money for transfers with "well we have trophies that weigh more", and Kaka said yesterday that he is happy to play his fifth consecutive season with Milan.
There's no way we'll get 3 strikers(Cassano,Pato + Eto'o) this summer. That's something way more than surplus. Considering Pato is pretty much an available target it'll probably be Pato + another striker. If Eto'o becomes available then we'll move for him 100%. If not I assume Cassano is the backup plan.
hitmannq8
30-07-2007, 00:55
hasan, so honestly do you believe what gazzetta has to say? in all honesty I think its all a load of crap just as the other news papers.. no one has no idea what milan are up to IMO and i dont think any one has something more than a guess.. but yeh if anyone knows even 1% of the story i would agree that it would be gazzetta.. but right now i dont think they know anything..
i believe the mijatovic-galliani meeting took place, afterall galliani was in Barca last week so it isn't so hard to believe..i hope for a Cassano move but also am starting to feel a move for Sheva in the case that we have no other options..
milanistas in the arab world for some reason believe that Pato will be signed on Monday too,they have been saying that for a few days now..Gazzetta has reported that Leonardo will try to finalize the deal tomorrow..
Wow, I didnt realize, or probably forgot---but Cassano would certainly be a good option for us. If we're looking for either a second striker or an attacking midfielder, he certainly fits the bill. And above all, he'll come absolutely FREE--which is how our management likes it these days..
About his attitude, well if he's going to be free then he might be worth the risk. Now matter how big the ego, I cant see anyone talking down to Maldini, Costacurta, Cafu, Carlo and all our veterans. Who knows, that special "Milan" atmosphere might resurrect his career..
As for Baptista, I dont know. If we need a striker, let's get a striker. If we need a midfielder, then let's get one. Why get someone who can play in both positions, but is not awesome in either one?
But then again, this "Mr. X" is supposedly non-EU and our squad supposedly voted "No" for Cassano---which again brings us to square 1: Who is this "Mr.X" and will we buy anybody during this transfer window, or is Ibrahim Ba the world class talent we were promised? :)
Pato + Cassano + LB/CD and I'll be more than happy.
Maltese Charlie
30-07-2007, 03:42
hasan, so honestly do you believe what gazzetta has to say? in all honesty I think its all a load of crap just as the other news papers.. no one has no idea what milan are up to IMO and i dont think any one has something more than a guess.. but yeh if anyone knows even 1% of the story i would agree that it would be gazzetta.. but right now i dont think they know anything..
i believe the mijatovic-galliani meeting took place, afterall galliani was in Barca last week so it isn't so hard to believe..i hope for a Cassano move but also am starting to feel a move for Sheva in the case that we have no other options..
milanistas in the arab world for some reason believe that Pato will be signed on Monday too,they have been saying that for a few days now..Gazzetta has reported that Leonardo will try to finalize the deal tomorrow..
I think there is much more truth iin this story than you think, for these reasons.
1. Ancellotti looks very interested in this player.
2. This is not just a story from la gazzetta, but it is news on all the Italian Sport Papers.
Arildonardo
30-07-2007, 04:41
According to rumours in England Valencia want to pay £13 million for Bolton's Nicolas Anelka. Will he be David Villa's replacement or strike-partner? :bri:
According to rumours in England Valencia want to pay £13 million for Bolton's Nicolas Anelka. Will he be David Villa's replacement or strike-partner? :bri:
Ihope its a replacement
:stupid:
- Our main objective, however, remains Eto'o, and Gazzetta thinks it's a 50-50 chance that he'll end up with us.
no one has no idea what milan are up to IMO and i dont think any one has something more than a guess.
even milan doesnt. Our goal was signing etoo or dinho. Everything else now is just a big, long and shaky backup plan, which is changed frequently. But they need mystery like 6th non-mentioned player, Mr. X - cos when they finally sign someone (even if someone pays to come like bobo) that will be his Mr X and all others was just bluffing :web:
zlatanov
30-07-2007, 05:50
it's a good thing that, if not the management, at least the fans know what they are talking about ... as always :web:
:grinser:
totti_jonaid
30-07-2007, 06:18
According to the latest speculation Riquelme is set to join Milan though Ancellotti has snubbed this speculation but you never know where it may end up. Plus there is a good chance that we may not even sign a single player this summer as Pato is expected to arrive in January and Ancelloti has called for patience to his fans. Read these articles for detail:
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=366677 (http://http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=366677)
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=366106 (http://http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=366106)
I think we'll end up with Baptista & Cassano. If we could somehow add Zambrotta to that list aswell then i think that would be pretty much as good as it gets.
Personally, i would still like to see us move for Appiah & Alves, but i know this won't happen and they'll both end up in other clubs.
What you think about Zigic?, i think Gila and Pippo are of the same style with him but he is a well promissed player....
hany.Egypt
30-07-2007, 07:28
As for Baptista, I dont know. If we need a striker, let's get a striker. If we need a midfielder, then let's get one. Why get someone who can play in both positions, but is not awesome in either one?
Yes exactly especially for 20 M this is way too much, probably 10 is more than enough
Why is this Kaka to Madrid not going away. It seems Kaka's mind is not 100% on Milan or Galliani is willing to take another look at Madrid's offer. I do hope Ricardo stays, if he doesn't Milan will go on as usual.
On a venting note, why would he want to go a mess of a front office that is Madrid. I predict Schuster will not finish this season with Madrid.
If Kaka is sold after Gallliani assured fans of his stay, he might as well relocate to Turin
Hasan Rossonero
30-07-2007, 07:46
Why is this Kaka to Madrid not going away. It seems Kaka's mind is not 100% on Milan or Galliani is willing to take another look at Madrid's offer. I do hope Ricardo stays, if he doesn't Milan will go on as usual.
On a venting note, why would he want to go a mess of a front office that is Madrid. I predict Schuster will not finish this season with Madrid.
Management and the player have both expressed their commitment. It's just the press and Real doing the talking. Calderon has to keep Real fans happy because he made lofty promises when getting elected.
You'll even hear about these rumours if, God willing, Kaka renews his contract. That's how Real play--dirty.
The Brazilian striker has only enjoyed five training sessions with his new team-mates since joining the club on loan for a year from AC Milan.
After a difficult year in Italy, however, he recovered his smile with two clinical strikes in the pre-season encounter against the Segunda B team on Sunday.
Sergio García staked his claim for a place in the team next term with two goals of his own during hte opening 45 minutes, but it was Oliveira's appearance that lifted Zaragoza.
Having come on at the start of the second half, Oliveira had to wait only 14 minutes before guiding in his first of the evening and then capped a strong display by netting a second in the 89th minute.
The 27-year-old arrived from Milan to replace Ewerthon, who opted to return to the Bundesliga to join champions VfB Stuttgart this summer.
Coach Víctor Fernández also gave Francisco Pavón a run out as he continues to build for the new season, that will see Zaragoza participate in the UEFA Cup.
Following their stay in Huesca, Zaragoza will remain in Andalucia for their next three friendlies as they compete in the Trofeo Colombino against Parma and Recre, before taking part in the Trofeo Ramón de Carranza against Cádiz next month.
------------------------------------------
Taken from Goal, personally if you think about it that could of been R10. Both leagues are different and its hard for a player to impress in both leagues.
Hasan Rossonero
30-07-2007, 08:29
Schuster must live up to Real ideal of tiki-taka
Madrid's new coach has to strike a difficult balance between practicality and fantasy.
Sid Lowe
July 30, 2007 12:53 AM
There was a new star taking centre stage as Real Madrid began pre-season training in Austria: the ball. Gone were the long runs and the blood, sweat and tears of frustrated footballers worked into the ground. Soon gone, too, will be the yawns of bored fans reaching for their hankies in protest.
That, at least, is the theory, with Spain's best-selling newspaper, Marca, gleefully heralding "less hoofing, more playing" as the new Real Madrid is born under Bernd Schuster. A 2-0 victory over Stoke City prompted excited talk of "tiki-taka"; "pass and move" would be the Real Madrid groove.
The bar could hardly have been set higher for the former Barcelona, Atlético and Real midfielder. Fabio Capello clinched Madrid's first league title in four years, going on a heart-stopping 11-match unbeaten run, but was sacked for being "too boring". Madrid have touted Schuster as the antithesis of his predecessor - his task not only to maintain success at the Bernabéu but to do so in style. Madrid, their president Ramón Calderón, said, "cannot have a manager who is happy to win every game 1-0".
As proof of Capello's unsuitability for the job, the president revealed: "All season long, people said we were too defensive, and Capello goes and asks me to buy a defender!" A defender? How dare he? The new, exciting Real Madrid cannot go round buying defenders. Schuster would never do such a thing.
Only they can and he would. Schuster may have returned the ball to training, he may have been a player of extraordinary class and vision, his successful Getafe side may have used the ball well for a side of modest resources, and there may have been positive signs against Stoke, but his carefully constructed image as the great entertainer is a myth, happily lapped up by the cheerleaders in the Madrid press.
Getafe's matches had fewer goals than anyone else's last season; their success was founded on La Liga's best defensive record but only five teams scored fewer. Boring Madrid got nearly twice the number and relegated Celta Vigo scored as many. Madrid's first signing this summer was Christoph Metzelder and he has been followed by Pepe. Both are defenders - Pepe costing €30m (£19m) from Porto. Another was Jerzy Dudek, the goalkeeper.
They have been joined by Javier Saviola from Barcelona and Roberto Soldado, returning to the club from Osasuna. Both are strikers and both of them, like Dudek and Metzelder, were free. All four appear to be sensible signings and the early signs are that Pepe may be worth the money. But Madrid fans would be entitled to ask, what was the point? Where do they fit the new Madrid? Where is the planning?
As one Spain-based agent insists privately: "Madrid have no technical philosophy. They seem to just get a whole load of pieces, throw them on the floor and expect the puzzle to come together, instead of checking the box and looking for the specific pieces they actually need."
Perhaps that is inevitable at a club where the coach does not choose the signings and where the sporting director resents the arrival of the new director of football and has had a very public spat with the general director over who decides which players to buy, but it undermines the whole philosophy of building a squad.
Madrid have signed Pepe and Metzelder but they already had Fabio Cannavaro and Sergio Ramos at centre-back, plus Iván Helguera, Alvaro Mejía and Paco Pavón, all three of whom have hurriedly made for the exit in the past 10 days. That leaves a squad with four right-backs, as well as Raúl, Ruud van Nistelrooy, Soldado, Saviola, Gonzalo Higuaín, Julio Baptista, Antonio Cassano, and even Guti and Robinho for the two forward positions, but only one left-back and no right-winger to replace David Beckham.
As for the central midfielder, the ball-player who will impose Schuster's style, forget it. Madrid spent €20m (£13.4m) on Fernando Gago during the winter transfer window; now they are looking again. The search is not going well, with attention turning to Michael Ballack after Cesc Fábregas and Kaka said no, though Schuster has not given up hope of signing the Brazilian. Besides, the feeling lingers that Calderón chased them, as he is chasing Arjen Robben, to fulfil an election pledge as much as to fill a gap in the team. "We've got a big fat suitcase full of cash and there will definitely be a player or two to come. But it's difficult to lure top players away from their clubs," Schuster admitted.
Nor are Kaka and Fábregas alone. Cristiano Ronaldo chose to stay away, just as Xabi Alonso did. "Madrid are supposedly the biggest club in the world," reveals one player, "but on the inside it's not like that at all. The way it's run is a shambles, really." That message gets out and players think twice about signing. Madrid are rebuilding but for that to be a success they must change. They must also convince their targets that they have changed.
If they can do that they will again attract the world's finest talents and the new Real Madrid can become a reality. Madrid have, after all, got the money and the history. Unfortunately, they also have something of a reputation.
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/07/30/schuster_must_live_up_to_real.html
it's a good thing that, if not the management, at least the fans know what they are talking about ... as always :web:
And what do u think?
Etoo/dinho werent our primary targets - the targets?
Mr X is top secret player observated for a long time?
Last day buy (like RO, even if it turns out great) wont be desperate backup bid?
Or will there be no bid at all and Mr X will vanish in smoke, milan buying pato in january or now?
Corriere started again the rumors about Cassano to Milan, but yesterday i read that Red Bull Salzburg are the team closest to getting Cassano.
Their coach is Trapattoni who'd like to get the Italian and who's ready to pay 4.2m euro for him.
Yesterday there was an interview with Calderon and it was a very interesting one. He talked a lot about Capello and how the "bad football" Real played was the greatest reason for releasing him. But Calderon also talked about the new atmosphere in Real during Capello time and the unusual (for Real) discipline in the locker room. Now with Schuster Calderon expects "pretty football" again but i expect the good old discipline problems to come out on surface again.... Real made a mistake by letting Capello go !
Also, Calderon talked about the promises he made and he said : I promised and i will certainly keep my promises. Fabregas, Robben and Kaka will be Real players in the next 3 years during my presidency. Robben may join us this year, Fabregas will be bought next year and Kaka will be bought maximum after 2 seasons.
Corriere started again the rumors about Cassano to Milan, but yesterday i read that Red Bull Salzburg are the team closest to getting Cassano.
Their coach is Trapattoni who'd like to get the Italian and who's ready to pay 4.2m euro for him.
austrian media contacted trap and he denied their interest in cassano.
Doch sein Landsmann Giovanni Trapattoni winkte am Montag in Salzburg ab. "Wir können ihn nicht kaufen, er ist zu teuer", erklärte der Salzburg-Trainer und fügte hinzu: "Wir geben nicht viel Geld für einen Spieler aus, bei dem man nicht weiß, ob er überhaupt die Leistung bringt."
http://sport.orf.at/?href=http%3A%2F%2Fsport.orf.at%2Fticker%2F260713.html
trap is quoted and says that cassano is too expensive for red bull salzburg and has also declared that they are not willing to spend big money on a player where they can't be sure that he will offer them good performances in return.
Heeeey, today's news...i almost forgot :)
1. Chelsea bought Fabio Borini, 16 years old attacker from Bologna
2. According to Bild, Real is ready to offer 40m euro for Ballack who is Schuster's favorite.
3. Dortmund rejected Roma's offer ( 6m euro) for Dede. They don't want to sell the Brazilian for less than 10m euro.
4. West Ham is asking 10m euro from Kia Joorabchian to let Tevez go to ManUtd without any problems. The Iranian won't give them more than 150 000.
5. Barzagli is Palermo's new captain and he definitely closed the door for an eventual transfer. ( :) )
6. 31m euro for Robben and 15m euro for Drenthe is what Real will pay to Chelsea and Feyenoord respectively to get the 2 players (As)
7. Man City made the final offer for Chiellini. Juventus will give the answer today.
8. Another one who may be joining Man City is the Brasilian NT player Elano from Shakhtar Donieck. His price is circa 10m euro
Hasan Rossonero
30-07-2007, 09:32
Corriere started again the rumors about Cassano to Milan, but yesterday i read that Red Bull Salzburg are the team closest to getting Cassano.
Their coach is Trapattoni who'd like to get the Italian and who's ready to pay 4.2m euro for him.
Yesterday there was an interview with Calderon and it was a very interesting one. He talked a lot about Capello and how the "bad football" Real played was the greatest reason for releasing him. But Calderon also talked about the new atmosphere in Real during Capello time and the unusual (for Real) discipline in the locker room. Now with Schuster Calderon expects "pretty football" again but i expect the good old discipline problems to come out on surface again.... Real made a mistake by letting Capello go !
Also, Calderon talked about the promises he made and he said : I promised and i will certainly keep my promises. Fabregas, Robben and Kaka will be Real players in the next 3 years during my presidency. Robben may join us this year, Fabregas will be bought next year and Kaka will be bought maximum after 2 seasons.
Actually the interview was in La Razon...Calderon was asked by the reporter that Robben this season, Cesc next season and Kaka the one after that, and Calderon responded with "I don't want to create any false hope, but yes I think so."
Also, Calderon said last summer that he was sure that Kaka would come play with Real this summer (2007).
Furthermore, Real also made a bid for C. Ronaldo a few months ago, and Mijatovic was quoted as saying "we will not surrender for C. Ronaldo".
Up to their dirty tricks and all to fulfill election promises like the article states above (the one I posted, and even though C. Ronaldo was not part of those promises).
austrian media contacted trap and he denied their interest in cassano.
Doch sein Landsmann Giovanni Trapattoni winkte am Montag in Salzburg ab. "Wir können ihn nicht kaufen, er ist zu teuer", erklärte der Salzburg-Trainer und fügte hinzu: "Wir geben nicht viel Geld für einen Spieler aus, bei dem man nicht weiß, ob er überhaupt die Leistung bringt."
http://sport.orf.at/?href=http%3A%2F%2Fsport.orf.at%2Fticker%2F260713.html
trap is quoted and says that cassano is too expensive for red bull salzburg and has also declared that they are not willing to spend big money on a player where they can't be sure that he will offer them good performances in return.
Good for them. Zickler is doing great as it is, they don't need Cassano :)
zlatanov
30-07-2007, 09:39
And what do u think?
Etoo/dinho werent our primary targets - the targets?
Mr X is top secret player observated for a long time?
Last day buy (like RO, even if it turns out great) wont be desperate backup bid?
Or will there be no bid at all and Mr X will vanish in smoke, milan buying pato in january or now?
what I think doesn't matter, what matters is that I don't assume to know better than people who've been doing this for decades now and have been very successful at it ;)
Plus, there is slight difference between a player like Etto/Dinho to be our target and that player being available for a transfer or transferable in the first place ... after all, there is only so much Milan can do to lure a player of such magnitude away from a club of the improtance of Barca.
Honsetly, how hard is that to understand?
Furthermore, signing any other player apart from Etoo/Dinho would be a bunch of steps down from our primary targets, so to argue that the management is making excuses by going for someone else once they tried everything to get Dinho/Etoo and didn't succeeed, would mean to virtually not want any new faces on the team just because that new face isn't one of the two Barca players.
Who else was out there with a proven record in europe and more improtantly CL that Milan could have gotten in place of Dinho or Etoo and that not be seen as an excuse?
So, is that what you want - either Dinho/Etoo or no one else? ... I kind of doubt that given all the noise that was made for Milan not signing anyone.
As for Mister X, his existence in the first place is an assumption in itself, what is left for actually figuring out his real identity ... maybe he is Baptista, but maybe he is Etoo/Dinho.
And if we do end up getting Baptista, it wouldn't necessarily mean that he was Mister X as he may well be just an "insurance" by the management making sure that we don't have to make a last-minute buy, while we are still waiting on developements on the Dinho/Etoo front.
Hasan Rossonero
30-07-2007, 09:40
Also Baptista would be a very versatile buy. If we do get another forward by the end of the transfer season, we could use him as an AM.
Good for them. Zickler is doing great as it is, they don't need Cassano :)
yeah they have vonlanthen to cover that position. unfortunately for him trap started this season fielding only one striker (zickler) and a lot of dm's.
:grinser: he'll never change
Russo-Neri
30-07-2007, 09:49
Also Baptista would be a very versatile buy. If we do get another forward by the end of the transfer season, we could use him as an AM.
Yeah, I'm finally starting to warm up to signing the beast too. I just hope this isn't going to be another RO situation...
Villareal is out of Baptista race
Their president said Baptista is no longer in their plans.
When asked about Riquelme ( still owned by Villareal, lets not forget) he only said " Riquelme still has 2 more years of his contract with Villareal"
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=all&a=49999
Hasan Rossonero
30-07-2007, 09:55
Villareal is out of Baptista race
Their president said Baptista is no longer in their plans.
When asked about Riquelme ( still owned by Villareal, lets not forget) he only said " Riquelme still has 2 more years of his contract with Villareal"
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=all&a=49999
So Tony29...is it going to be Baptista to Milan :D?
So Tony29...is it going to be Baptista to Milan :D?
As long as it's not a Juve player, former Juve players (Zambro, Ibra, Vieira or Canna) or Ronaldinho, you can buy whoever you want ( including Eto'o, Pato, Riquelme, Villa) :notlist: :grinser:
Dunno, Hasan. This situation with Milan reminds me of the good old summers with Moggi. You never knew till the very end of mercato who was he going to buy but you knew he was going to get you a good player. I know everyone in Milan said how no one will be bought if you won't be able to buy someone who'll add more quality where it lacks, but i still think things won't stay as they are and it won't be only Baptista who'll join Milan. You never know what option may be opened in August.
As for Baptista to Milan..... even though it looks very possible atm, i'm still 50-50 about this. He was connected too much with Milan ( by the media only, not by Galliani or Berlu like it was the case with Gilardino or Nesta) and like i said, Galliani reminds me of Moggi so i expect the new signing to be someone unexpected not someone who everyone expects to become Milan player.
And personally i wouldn't buy him. He had 2 chances with big clubs and he failed both times, while his best year was with an average, at the time, team.
Russo-Neri
30-07-2007, 10:11
500 pages of this thread and all we have to show for it is Ba?
I think the beast will be ours shortly, i also think to get him we'll need to sign cassano as well.
I think the beast will be ours shortly, i also think to get him we'll need to sign cassano as well.
I dont know why but I have this feeling that if we get the Beast he wont have the same season he had in the PL, he will have more time with the ball and he cant complain about the weather.
On another note after thinking about the whole Kaka situation I think Milan do need to think this through, the money Real are offering is alot and im sure they wont go higher than this amount. Everyone remembers how much Chelski offered for Sheva after the 05 CL final, we turned it down and a year later he left for half the amount. The same could be said about Henry and he left for less than the third the amount a year later, when players decide to leave the amount drops a lot. I know I might get slaughtered for even saying this but id rather let Kaka go for this amount than get half the amount next year (I know the situation is different between Sheva & Kaka, but isn't that what we all thought after the 05 final with Sheva?)
Hasan Rossonero
30-07-2007, 10:40
I dont know why but I have this feeling that if we get the Beast he wont have the same season he had in the PL, he will have more time with the ball and he cant complain about the weather.
On another note after thinking about the whole Kaka situation I think Milan do need to think this through, the money Real are offering is alot and im sure they wont go higher than this amount. Everyone remembers how much Chelski offered for Sheva after the 05 CL final, we turned it down and a year later he left for half the amount. The same could be said about Henry and he left for less than the third the amount a year later, when players decide to leave the amount drops a lot. I know I might get slaughtered for even saying this but id rather let Kaka go for this amount than get half the amount next year (I know the situation is different between Sheva & Kaka, but isn't that what we all thought after the 05 final with Sheva?)
Milan has grand plans for Kaka. I don't think he will go to Real, and no, I didn't think that about Sheva. I always thought that he would go to Chelsea one day.
With Kaka, it's quite different. Milan want to make him captain of our team (reportedly) and invest in his image. The thing is if Berlusconi wasn't our president, then yes I think Milan would have sold him. But Kaka is Berlu's player, it seems, and he believes that Kaka will be the new face of Milan (as Capello said a few months ago).
I think Kaka-Real rumours will surface every summer, but Milan hold all the cards, and if they want to keep him until retirement (or at least 30-31 years of age), then they will.
So again, the issue is not Milan wanting to sell him. I think if we were a club who didn't have an owner like Berlusconi, we would have sold Kaka. The issue is that Berlusconi doesn't want to sell him, a point that he made abundantly clear last week: "No man can come to Berlusconi and beat him on economic terms. No man can come to me, the president of Milan, and say we're taking your player because we're offering more."
My view is that if Berlu has 100 million set aside for Dinho, then he will also have money set aside for Kaka.
Also, I think if Milan wanted to sell Kaka they would, and if Kaka wanted to leave by now he would. The offer that Madrid have put on the table is very tempting, but Kaka has decided, so far, not to be lured by it.
Kaka does not have a price. I wouldn't rise my eyebrow for anything under €200M.
Hasan Rossonero
30-07-2007, 10:46
Kaka does not have a price. I wouldn't rise my eyebrow for anything under €200M.
That's precisely the attitude Milan have, and I like it. Galliani said that 100 million won't be enough to even enter into negotiations.
Fair point you have there Hasan, I forgot about the whole Kaka and the image of Milan thing. Personally why I wrote the above was because Id rather loose Kaka and gain the full 60 Million rather than half the amount.
What annoys me the most are Kakas agents/representatives the way they make the deal sound so assuring and say how the deal is tempting, I know that is probably their jobs trying for their player to earn more money but for the team that owns the player, it could be really annoying. Majority of players once they won all the trophies they can with a team, they try a different challenge/look for more money, Kaka has clearly stated that money is no motive for him which could only mean he wants to remain and hopefully for a long time to come.
Hasan Rossonero
30-07-2007, 10:50
Fair point you have there Hasan, I forgot about the whole Kaka and the image of Milan thing. Personally why I wrote the above was because Id rather loose Kaka and gain the full 60 Million rather than half the amount.
What annoys me the most are Kakas agents/representatives the way they make the deal sound so assuring and say how the deal is tempting, I know that is probably their jobs trying for their player to earn more money but for the team that owns the player, it could be really annoying. Majority of players once they won all the trophies they can with a team, they try a different challenge/look for more money, Kaka has clearly stated that money is no motive for him which could only mean he wants to remain and hopefully for a long time to come.
The agents also do that (everywhere) because they know that they'll get a major cut of the transfer money.
I hope Kaka stays until 2012 and beyond. I hope he retires with us, and I think that is a greater possibility (God willing, of course) than him going to Real. IMO.
It's only one agent, and to be honest I'ev only heard from him when big money is mentioned which he means he doesn't care about Kaka, just the money he could earn for himself.
At the end what matters is how the player feels. If Kaka wants Milan the agents can talk as much as they want.
I was really annoyed with Nedved's retirement situation and the role his agent had. There were 2 meetings between Juve and Nedved's agent and both times a deal couldn't have been done. After the meetings the agent was going directly to the press saying how Nedved will retire if Juve won't improve the contract etc etc etc.
The third time it was Nedved without his agent who had a meeting with Secco over dinner and the deal was done after less than an hour.
The thing is, Nedved feels at home at Juve and he has feelings and great memories with the team. To him 500 000 more or less don't matter . But the agents are like machines with no feelings and they see everything through numbers.
I'm saying all this because i think it will be the same with Kaka. His agent may talk and talk and try convincing him how Real will be better. Kaka may be tempted by the promises and lies his agent will tell and since he's still very young he may be fooled for a while ( although it certainly doesn't seems so for now). But one meeting in four eyes with Berlusconi and he'll be Milan's only.
The agents also do that (everywhere) because they know that they'll get a major cut of the transfer money.
I hope Kaka stays until 2012 and beyond. I hope he retires with us, and I think that is a greater possibility (God willing, of course) than him going to Real. IMO.
But aint the main agent his dad? Im sure his dad knows moving to Madrid is not a good idea.
That makes both of us.
Off topic :
I was checking something about Alvaro Recoba and i accidently found Inter's current squad. Check this :
Inter has 17 (seventeen) South/Central American players in the team and only 4 Italians
:haha:
Even teams in Brasil and Argentina don't have 17 south Americans in the team :)
Then i checked Milan to count the Brasilians. Now you have 6 Brasilians in the team, with a possibility the number to go as high as 8 (if you get Baptista and Pato this year), plus you have 2 loaned Brasilian players ( RO to Zaragoza and another Brasilian loaned to Monza) .
But Milan has 14 Italians among the 28 Milan players listed in Wikipedia, so the base is still Italian.
Juventus has 17 Italians and 12 foreigners (8 europeans and 4 non-Europeans). The 12 foreigners come from 7 different countries, with France being represented by 3 Juve players.
P.S : Do you think there is/was another European team with 17 south americans in the squad ?
Real Madrid is just becoming an embarassment. Calderon is such a useless blowhard i can't believe it. Schuster can't keep his piehole closed either, and for me, as well as lots of other fans of football (read the mailbox on F365), they've both gone over the top. I guess I don't really understand the whole 'tapping up' thing, since Chelsea is the only club that've been punished (Cashley Hole) but yet ManU, FalseMadrid, and every other person talks about contracted players. It is really getting disgusting.
I know as fans we want to hear our board talking about who we want to buy, how we will improve our squad, etc. and we want to hear the biggest names. Do fans of RMadrid actually get a kick out of Calderon? I know they've got their newspaper mouthpiece also to spout lies and photoshopped pictures, but do they really deep down enjoy that their team is run like this? For supposedly the Uefa team of the century (or whatever that patch on their shirt was for), it's gotta be shameful to operate your team like this. Calderon hasn't delivered on any of his election promises, yet he still spouts bullcrap. I hope Madrid plays Milan in the CL final, we win, Kaka' scores 18 goals, Calderon has a heart attack but recovers, and the whole team of Madrid openly declares they want to join Milan, only for us to elegantly explain to them that our team is strong and we don't need anyone!
Ugh, sorry for the rant, but Madrid finally has gotten my goat.
Hasan Rossonero
30-07-2007, 11:46
But aint the main agent his dad? Im sure his dad knows moving to Madrid is not a good idea.
That makes both of us.
Yeah. I think he has 3 agents.
His dad is the main one.
Paolillo and this guy are the other two.
And yes Tony 29 is right...it is what the player wants. But I think in this case, it is also what Berlu wants...like Tony29 said about the meeting... :dielaugh:
Hasan Rossonero
30-07-2007, 11:48
Real Madrid is just becoming an embarassment. Calderon is such a useless blowhard i can't believe it. Schuster can't keep his piehole closed either, and for me, as well as lots of other fans of football (read the mailbox on F365), they've both gone over the top. I guess I don't really understand the whole 'tapping up' thing, since Chelsea is the only club that've been punished (Cashley Hole) but yet ManU, FalseMadrid, and every other person talks about contracted players. It is really getting disgusting.
I know as fans we want to hear our board talking about who we want to buy, how we will improve our squad, etc. and we want to hear the biggest names. Do fans of RMadrid actually get a kick out of Calderon? I know they've got their newspaper mouthpiece also to spout lies and photoshopped pictures, but do they really deep down enjoy that their team is run like this? For supposedly the Uefa team of the century (or whatever that patch on their shirt was for), it's gotta be shameful to operate your team like this. Calderon hasn't delivered on any of his election promises, yet he still spouts bullcrap. I hope Madrid plays Milan in the CL final, we win, Kaka' scores 18 goals, Calderon has a heart attack but recovers, and the whole team of Madrid openly declares they want to join Milan, only for us to elegantly explain to them that our team is strong and we don't need anyone!
Ugh, sorry for the rant, but Madrid finally has gotten my goat.
You must be Christian because even your wrath is measured. :D
vBulletin® v3.7.1, Copyright ©2000-2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.