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Kaka's not the only one, haha.
But seriously, how much more ridiculous can this all get?!
Hasan Rossonero
30-07-2007, 11:57
Kaka's not the only one, haha.
But seriously, how much more ridiculous can this all get?!
Count on Madrid to set new lows.
Warro Bantan
30-07-2007, 12:15
Welcome ACTRADER!!
Ok, so, a weekends absence, and you rumormongers cant come up with anything better than:
Baptista to Milan
Baptista + Cassano to Milan
Pato to Milan
Riquelme to Milan/Not to Milan?
Come on guys!! What am I paying you for? Unearth the truth, or dont come to me at months end for your paycheque! :mad:
Warro Bantan
30-07-2007, 12:41
Since this is such a slow news day, lets take a look at liverpool´s adoption of: "if u cant beat them, join them"
Click here (http://www.subsidesports.com/uk/store/product_details.jsp?pid=72057594037947925&cid=402&brc=&red=product_list.jsp?id=402,mid=-1,oby=,hos=0,srs=-1,txtSearch=,cmbPriceStart=-1,cmbPriceEnd=-1,page=0,brc=,) to see how. :5ok:
Graeme C
30-07-2007, 12:51
for free i think cassano could be a bargain for us, theres nothing to lose. We can offer him a year contract. He can either grow up or move on. Let the Milan lab get to work on him, and we might have a different player like how ronaldo is a different player now at Milan.
Like i have said before, i think we could do with signing 3 strikers. Pato for january. Eto for now, and Cassano for a couple of months time. Then next season if Pippo decides to retire, and ronnie goes to america we will be in a better situation.
I think there is more likelihood of Beckham coming to Milan than Ronnie going to the states...speaking of america, milan should give me a mercy-signing and get a yank so i can get all my non-footie friends here to be interested (at least for a year). someone mentioned altidore, and there are a few youngsters that, under the right circumstances, might become useful. if we can buy georgian, liberian, and others and turn them into great players, why not a hardworking american kid?
GilAttack [11]
30-07-2007, 13:06
What would be Milan's motivation to land Baptista? I mean, Inter went out and signed Suazo because he had very good season for Cagliari. They also secured Chivu because he proved in Roma he is a very capable defender. But we (Milan Management) are basing our decision on what?
Graeme C
30-07-2007, 13:08
hes brazilian
+ scored a goal in Coppa America final :5ok:
Warro Bantan
30-07-2007, 13:14
I think there is more likelihood of Beckham coming to Milan than Ronnie going to the states...speaking of america, milan should give me a mercy-signing and get a yank so i can get all my non-footie friends here to be interested (at least for a year). someone mentioned altidore, and there are a few youngsters that, under the right circumstances, might become useful. if we can buy georgian, liberian, and others and turn them into great players, why not a hardworking american kid? Good point jtelly, but in our "defense" while we did sign a Liberian, he was already a very talented player, and so was Kaladze, having played in "reputable" leagues.
I do not say this to disparage the MLS, but it is certain that the French league, (I forget where we got Kaladze from) is much more reputable than the MLS is, and I stress, at present.
That being said, I think it would be a great idea to buy an MLS product, but the same rationale could be used to justify a player from China for arguments sake...and there does seem to be some level of backlash when the player is purchased, but never plays...like was the case with Man U and a Chinese player they bought, but never used I believe.
What we should await, is the rise of a player so talented, that we would be forced to look at him, and make an offer...rather than make a "mercy" signing, or one based soley on "attracting" the US TV audience...who, as previously mentioned, could become disenchanted by seeing the object of their adoration "polishing the pine" with his butt (ie benched).
I quite like the MLS, insofar as it represents an excellent opportunity for countries such as Jamaica, who dont really have a professional league, but have a plethora of talent (Silver medal in the Pan American games just last week) that tends not be get exploited.
Altidore is certainly a prospect, but I think the route for him would be for us to buy him, then loan him out...he wouldnt walk into the Milan team, the reserves, but maybe the primavera...if he was of the right age...
Warro Bantan
30-07-2007, 13:20
']What would be Milan's motivation to land Baptista? I mean, Inter went out and signed Suazo because he had very good season for Cagliari. They also secured Chivu because he proved in Roma he is a very capable defender. But we (Milan Management) are basing our decision on what? Could it be that Carlo likes him because he is so versatile? He can play as a Midfielder, Striker, or support striker...maybe even as a DM....:dontkn:
Now, let me hasten to add that I am not "for" or "against" this purchase, simply because I havent given it much thought, though I do think that if Carlo likes the player, then, where there is no clearly better alternative, we should buy him...alternatively, if Carlo has a preference, then we should look at that player first, and have Baptista as a back up.
If one were to pose the question of: Riquelme vs Baptista, then I think hands down, I would take the Argentine...but for me, both "options" are purely speculative, so I wont waste my minute quantities of mental power on that debate.
hitmannq8
30-07-2007, 13:33
Bronzetti has been quoted saying that Cicinho "wants a move only to Roma" and had more to say on the situation. Its on calciomercato. I'd like to have Cicinho in our side if he were available, and he does have the Italian passport I think.
ACMILAN1983
30-07-2007, 13:43
- Finally, Ancelotti responds to Schuster who said that Real have a suitcase of money for transfers with "well we have trophies that weigh more", and Kaka said yesterday that he is happy to play his fifth consecutive season with Milan.
Legenary response!!!!
Why is this Kaka to Madrid not going away. It seems Kaka's mind is not 100% on Milan or Galliani is willing to take another look at Madrid's offer. I do hope Ricardo stays, if he doesn't Milan will go on as usual.
On a venting note, why would he want to go a mess of a front office that is Madrid. I predict Schuster will not finish this season with Madrid.
If Kaka is sold after Gallliani assured fans of his stay, he might as well relocate to Turin
Marca and AS come out with the rubbish we keep seeing on this. Don't forget one of these two even photoshopped an image of Kaka for Real. Milan have officially said that they want Kaka as their symbol (both Berlu and Galliani made it clear he can't leave) and Kaka has said he wishes to stay and remain Milan's symbol. He's even said how he talked to a friend (probably sheva) who told him money isn't everything. I wouldn't bother giving these stories a second look now.
Make a break at the conversation, does anyone of you interested in basketball, if so to open a tread, you know eurobasket and othe things. Just each of you say yes or no to decide what to do.....
though I do think that if Carlo likes the player, then, where there is no clearly better alternative, we should buy him..
thats right! :5ok:
Warro Bantan
30-07-2007, 13:49
Make a break at the conversation, does anyone of you interested in basketball, if so to open a tread, you know eurobasket and othe things. Just each of you say yes or no to decide what to do.....While I am not, I am sure many here are....but this wouldnt be the section in which to start it...Members Forum maybe? :dontkn:
Russo-Neri
30-07-2007, 13:53
I think there is more likelihood of Beckham coming to Milan than Ronnie going to the states...speaking of america, milan should give me a mercy-signing and get a yank so i can get all my non-footie friends here to be interested (at least for a year). someone mentioned altidore, and there are a few youngsters that, under the right circumstances, might become useful. if we can buy georgian, liberian, and others and turn them into great players, why not a hardworking american kid?
Altidore looks like a REALLY good prospect (I live in NYC and watch all the Red Bull games). He has a lot of potential and is only 17. Plus he looked really good in the U-20s as well. But signing him to tap into a US market wouldn't work. 95% of americans don't know who he is. If he were more popular, then yeah, I could see Milan signing him as a good tactic to increase Serie A appeal in the states.
Americans only watch soccer during the world cup. The only way a US soccer player can make a name for himself is if the US goes far in the WC and one player like Altidore scores a lot of high profile goals. The US media would do the rest and hype him up. Now you've got yourself a player that could atttract attention in the states.
But then Milan or (more likely) English teams would find themselves in a bidding war with MLS teams. The MLS would realize that having their top player poached out from under them would be a HUGE slap in the face for MLS expansion and money would come from somewhere in excess of what the player is really worth.
Someday American players will be superstars. Unfortunately, they probably will end up playing for the Premiership before Serie A
Welcome ACTRADER!!
Ok, so, a weekends absence, and you rumormongers cant come up with anything better than:
Baptista to Milan
Baptista + Cassano to Milan
Pato to Milan
Riquelme to Milan/Not to Milan?
Come on guys!! What am I paying you for? Unearth the truth, or dont come to me at months end for your paycheque! :mad:
er...er.....bye bye Quaresma (http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=367125)??
:kap:
Warro Bantan
30-07-2007, 14:05
In reading of the antics of other clubs in the transfer market, I find that we have conducted ourselves quite well, especially when compared to other clubs...so why we are constantly berating Galliani is beyond me...:dontkn:
Schusters comments about "having a suitcase full of cash" is a prime example of what I would never want to hear coming from Milan.
NB: I never said our conduct was exemplary, just not as bad as some would want you to believe.
Hasan Rossonero
30-07-2007, 14:11
In reading of the antics of other clubs in the transfer market, I find that we have conducted ourselves quite well, especially when compared to other clubs...so why we are constantly berating Galliani is beyond me...:dontkn:
Schusters comments about "having a suitcase full of cash" is a prime example of what I would never want to hear coming from Milan.
NB: I never said our conduct was exemplary, just not as bad as some would want you to believe.
Yeah the time when Berlusconi used that lexicon was in the 70s and 80s. Now he has moved on from suitcases full of money to owning an empire, and, fittingly, his rhetoric is more fit for an emperor than small time crooks like Schuster and his paymaster Calderon.
well suitcase full of cash or 100 mio from my pocket for dinho is kind of... same?
Hasan Rossonero
30-07-2007, 14:18
well suitcase full of cash or 100 mio from my pocket for dinho is kind of... same?
Yes, that was my point. But at the core all suit-and-tie men mean the same thing. The difference is how they say it.
Before Real signed Baptista and following his largely successful season at Sevilla, i think we'd all be for his signature. However, his move to Madrid forced him to become less of a regular in the side and he suffered. Then came his average season at Arsenal.
He's played everywhere in midfield it seems and if he could recapture some of his early form and work on his shooting, then i think we'd have a good signing.
But it all boils down to price. Real want 20 million euros just for Baptista and now it seems (though this may have been lost in translation) that to get him we need to buy Cassano as well which will bump the price up further.
Lets be honest, neither of their prices have gone up since they've been at Madrid, so we shouldn't feel pressured to pay through the nose for them.
yeah, its funny how a coach who is there for few weeks (and will probably be fired before the end of the season :D ) has such a mouth.
Baptista, cassano or both... ok with me if they want it and think they can use it. But surely not for 20 mio, i rather see willy playing and money in the bank for next season.
er...er.....bye bye Quaresma (http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=367125)??
:kap:
I don't see him moving to Fiorentina for that price. Pepe left for around 30 million euros, Anderson for a similar figure. Quaresma won't be sold for less than 30 million and i'd be very surprised if he opted for a move to Fiorentina.
Madrid may buy him IF they lose out on Robben and feel a need for a new wide man. Barcelona won't buy him, nor will Valencia and now neither will A.Madrid after they've just bought Simao. Man Utd won't buy him, i don't see Arsenal buying him, we won't buy him so i guess that really leaves Liverpool (who have been very strongly linked with him), Inter (who'll buy anyone and maybe Figo could persuade him) and possibly Roma.
My guess would be Liverpool.
yeah, its funny how a coach who is there for few weeks (and will probably be fired before the end of the season :D ) has such a mouth.
He probably realises there is a good chance of getting fired really quickly, so he's just saying and doing all the things he wouldn't normally. Just making the most of his time there :D
Baptista, cassano or both... ok with me if they want it and think they can use it. But surely not for 20 mio, i rather see willy playing and money in the bank for next season.
I can't see Madrid letting us get both players for less than 20 million. Not unless we can work out a loan deal for either of them. We all know they should be cheap as they're currently a pair of misfits who don't fit into the team. But Real have a warped way of looking at things, because they play for Real they must be expensive.
- Finally, Ancelotti responds to Schuster who said that Real have a suitcase of money for transfers with "well we have trophies that weigh more"
Legenary response!!!!
I may be missing something, but wasn't this a wrong rather than legendary response ?
Why should Milan trophies weigh more than Real's ?
Real has more of them :)
Hasan Rossonero
30-07-2007, 15:18
I may be missing something, but wasn't this a wrong rather than legendary response ?
Why should Milan trophies weigh more than Real's ?
Real has more of them :)
Actually he was talking about the offer.
Also, Milan have more international trophies than Real do.
zlatanov
30-07-2007, 15:18
I may be missing something, but wasn't this a wrong rather than legendary response ?
Why should Milan trophies weigh more than Real's ?
Real has more of them :)
... thanks to a lack of opponents when they got onto that streak half a century ago when to win the CL they had to just show up.
The thing is that for people to find the reasons for the BIG Real, they need to look into the stats of history books, while the BIG Milan is a reality and a memory search away :D
It doesn't matter when were the trophies won, they were won and many of them were won recently. The thing is, this would have been a hell of a reply to any other team in the world, but not to Real Madrid.
And it's not like their trophies are all in history books. They have 3 Cl's in last 10 years ( more than Milan) , 4 league trophies in last 10 years (more than Milan) and 2 Intercontinental cups in last 10 years (more than Milan)
Game, set, match
:D
Edit : 10 years is the only period of time that you can use in this argument. No more and no less than 10 years
:bri:
Kaka1899
30-07-2007, 15:23
So sorry guys i feel sick saying it but my dad has phoned saying its on english tv we have sold Kaka to Real for 60 million. is it true? please no!
It's not true
He's messing with you :)
Kaka1899
30-07-2007, 15:28
It's not true
He's messing with you :)
in a way i dont think he is he said this when Sheva went and i laughed and look what happned.
More proof that this is the most boring transfer campaign ever: the main article on Gazzetta's website is that Brazil now exports more footballers than bananas :grinser:
rosoneri_11
30-07-2007, 15:45
in a way i dont think he is he said this when Sheva went and i laughed and look what happned.
I hope your dad you be wrong that time. :diablo:
Hasan Rossonero
30-07-2007, 15:46
Er...Ancelotti was talking about the offer.
In the last 20 years or so, Milan have eclipsed Real's success.
In the last 10 years, yes, Real have done one better in Europe.
But even they can't match this:
2003- Winners
2004- QF
2005- Final
2006- SF
2007- Winners
His dad probably heard ( actually didn't hear) that Real is offering 90m euro ( 60m BP) for Kaka, but he didn't understand and thought Real bought Kaka.
Kaka isn't sold to Real and he won't be sold this year.
Er...Ancelotti was talking about the offer.
I know what was he talking about. "Real's money weigh less than our trophies". That's what he said and he meant that winning trophies with Milan is worth it much more than only getting huge money in Real.
But the thing is Real also has a lot of trophies, more than any other team in Europe and it's not a guarantee that with Milan he'll win trophies while with Real he won't.
Lets be honest. The last trophy was all-Kaka. If he brought a CL trophy to Milan ( and a bad Milan may i remind you) then i see no reason why he shouldn't bring a CL trophy to Real.
And it's not like Real is an underdog and underachiever in champions league. They were bad in last 4 years but it doesn't mean they'll continue being bad in CL while Milan will still be the best in CL in next 5 years (actually, i expect the opposite. I expect really strong Real again)
I'm confident Kaka will be the heart and 'image' of milan for many years to come.
In response to my earlier post re: signing an american, I wasn't thinking of it as a way to 'break' the US market-i don't think Milan really care about that the way that a ManU or Chelsea do. Especially with ManU, we don't have the debt, plus I don't think it's the way we are. After 2005 when Milan went to Chicago and New York, i think they're happy to not be jetting all over in august, but to prepare in the best manner possible. I do have some old forza milan magazines with photos of milan in israel, i believe!
Even though this is in another thread, the new training gear on acmilan.com is pretty sharp (albeit the same templates as the other adidas teams) especially the tracksuits.
Back to signing americans, agreed with the earlier response about loaning out and then seeing what happens-i never thought or intended that an american would walk into the squad. but i do think we've got the hard work and given the right football environment, an american could succeed. i'd just like to walk into work one day and say to all my b-ball and nfl-loving pals about an american in milan.
again off-topic, anyone venture a guess as to the worth of a full autographed page of the 89-90 team?
Hasan Rossonero
30-07-2007, 15:58
I know what was he talking about. "Real's money weigh less than our trophies". That's what he said and he meant that winning trophies with Milan is worth it much more than only getting huge money in Real.
But the thing is Real also has a lot of trophies, more than any other team in Europe and it's not a guarantee that with Milan he'll win trophies while with Real he won't.
Lets be honest. The last trophy was all-Kaka. If he brought a CL trophy to Milan ( and a bad Milan may i remind you) then i see no reason why he shouldn't bring a CL trophy to Real.
And it's not like Real is an underdog and underachiever in champions league. They were bad in last 4 years but it doesn't mean they'll continue being bad in CL while Milan will still be the best in CL in next 5 years (actually, i expect the opposite. I expect really strong Real again)
Admit you really hate the fact that we have a player like Kaka :D :p155: .
It's natural for a Juventino. But recently Real have been a circus and Milan have been a club who have done very well in Europe. Who can deny that Real's history is better? But I think Ancelotti was also referring to recent history, and, of course, the fact that Milan have more international trophies than Real (than anyone I think).
And Kaka was not THE only reason Milan won. Nesta was imperious, and Seedorf played his part too. Inzaghi scored a brace in the Final. Kaka was definitely our star man, but to say he won the CL single-handedly is a bit unfair.
rosoneri_11
30-07-2007, 16:00
Yes i agree with you Tony. Something like that should have been and Kaka1899's dad maybe doesn't heared it very well or the news was just a fantasy news like tribals.
Warro Bantan
30-07-2007, 16:03
Indeed Hasan, when Berlu was talking that way, he was really the only one doing that, as he was the "Abramovitch" of that era.
@ Dru: Where would Quaresma play bro? Would you bench/loan Gourcuff? Just asking....:respect:
in a way i dont think he is he said this when Sheva went and i laughed and look what happned.
Your dad is always calling you to tell you about which players we sold?.... :grinser: .
Warro Bantan
30-07-2007, 16:12
Bye bye Riquelme!
:kap:
Click here (http://football.guardian.co.uk/breakingnews/feedstory/0,,-6815879,00.html) for details
Even if I would want him here, I dont think he would fit in...unless he would be a willing sub for Kaka...and he couldnt play Pirlo´s role, becaue he doesnt tackle.
Still rate him as one of the best players in the world though... :uhm:
zlatanov
30-07-2007, 16:13
I know what was he talking about. "Real's money weigh less than our trophies". That's what he said and he meant that winning trophies with Milan is worth it much more than only getting huge money in Real.
But the thing is Real also has a lot of trophies, more than any other team in Europe and it's not a guarantee that with Milan he'll win trophies while with Real he won't.
Lets be honest. The last trophy was all-Kaka. If he brought a CL trophy to Milan ( and a bad Milan may i remind you) then i see no reason why he shouldn't bring a CL trophy to Real.
And it's not like Real is an underdog and underachiever in champions league. They were bad in last 4 years but it doesn't mean they'll continue being bad in CL while Milan will still be the best in CL in next 5 years (actually, i expect the opposite. I expect really strong Real again)
the way to guarantee this is take a recent enough and long enough period, like the last 20 years ;) ... a "sample" like this gurantees that not only the past and present are successful but the near future too (and that's what Kaka cares about as his career will be nearing it's end in the next 7 years or so, which is pretty much the time since Real's last Cl trophy or memorable CL season for that matter).
And the antics and perfomances, or lack ther of, of Real's current management is a safe bet that Real's domestic and CL fortunes will hardly change for the better unless some drastic chenge in approach takes place ... of course there is always the possibility that things will change, but there is also the possibility that I would one day win the lottery and I am yet to see that day :D
More likely, however, we'll witness the curent management be kicked out at the next ellections and then god knows what lies infront of Real ... one thing's for sure, there will be a lot of uncertainty in their future and the chance that unless they hit the bullseye with their next management, they'd be looking at the possibility of another 38-year-long drought in the CL like the one between the galactico period and that streak in the late 50s ... whateevr it is, the only cetain thing is the uncertainty.
As for Milan, they have and plan on keeping the same management that has made them the most successful club over the past 20 years ... so, not much guessing involved there.
Regarding domestic perfomances, let's not go there 'cause unlike Milan, Real didn't have to play in a doctored league where the real winners are only an assumption in the eye of the beholder ... so, we can't really say what Milan could/would/should have won or not :)
P.S. a bit too early for that game, set, and match ... after all, it's EZ you are dealing with :diablo:
@ Dru: Where would Quaresma play bro? Would you bench/loan Gourcuff? Just asking....:respect:
We would play:
--------Dida------------
-----Defence-----------
Gattuso--Pirlo--Ambrosini
---Kaka----Quaresma---
-------Ronaldo---------
Bench: GK, def, def, Brocchi, Gourcuff, Seedorf, Gilardino
With Quaresma either operating a free role or maybe even playing just off of Ronaldo, whatever Kaka wasn't doing basically
Next question :D
Just read that Alex is/was in England to get ready to complete his chelsea move for 1 dollar. do you think they're going to get rid of anyone to make room, or just keep them all?
Bolaruz ... Bholerooz ... That Dutch guy whose name i can't spell will almost certainly go :D
They got Ben Haim and, unfortunately, i think they'll get Alves as well :yuck: If they do get him i expect Ferierra may also go.
Warro Bantan
30-07-2007, 16:24
I hear you Jim, but beg to point out that Quaresma doesnt tend to do half the work Clarence does, and I wouldnt pick him over Clarence, and neither would Carlo methinks...
He is a good player, dont get me wrong, but if I had to chose between an in-form Seedorf, and an in-form Quaresma for big games, the Dutchman has the starting place hands down....as a sub for Clarence though, then maybe, but certainly not over Gourcuff...
So, the next question (slightly rhetorical) is: Is he better than Clarence in your estimation?
bruise-a-loos already is on-loan to sevilla i believe...
Admit you really hate the fact that we have a player like Kaka :D :p155: .
It's natural for a Juventino. But recently Real have been a circus and Milan have been a club who have done very well in Europe. Who can deny that Real's history is better? But I think Ancelotti was also referring to recent history, and, of course, the fact that Milan have more international trophies than Real (than anyone I think).
And Kaka was not THE only reason Milan won. Nesta was imperious, and Seedorf played his part too. Inzaghi scored a brace in the Final. Kaka was definitely our star man, but to say he won the CL single-handedly is a bit unfair.
That is all true, but look it it this way.
Milan was awful and a circus at the time when Real was winning trophies.
Real :
1998 - CL winners
1999 - QF
2000 - CL winners
2001 - SF
2002 - CL winners
2003 - SF
Now Hasan, this beats even Milan's record in last 5 years. After 2003 the results were awful because, as you say, they became a circus. But why were they a circus ? Too much ego maybe ? Zidane, Figo, Ronaldo, Beckham, Roberto Carlos !
But now a new president took over, all the olidies, great stars with huge ego, are not in Real anymore, and the result came immediately. The league was won.
What's with Milan then ? 5 great years ( still worse than Real's golden age from 1998-2002,03)
No one can say that Milan's great cycle is over but history teaches us that when you reach the top you can only go down from there.
That's what i'm saying. We judge Real for the time of their previous president and we expect them to do bad again while we (actually, You) count only Milan's recent history to prove a point.
What i want to happen with Kaka has nothing to do with my opinion. I don't want him in Milan but it never stopped me from saying that i believe he'll stay in Milan at least for 2 more years and that he'll feel in Milan better than in Real.
But i can't agree with anyone who'll say that he'll win in Milan more than what he'll win in Real. That is my initial reason why i "attacked" Ancelotti for the weigh of the trophies argument.
P.S : As for the international trophies won. I think you got fooled by the info that Milan is the team with most international trophies won in the world.
It is true, i know, but there is a difference from trophy and trophy.
CL :
Real 9 - Milan 7
UEFA Cup :
Real 2 - Milan 0
Cup winner's Cup :
Real 0 - Milan 2
Intercontinental Cup :
Milan 3 - Real 3
European Super Cup
Milan 4 - Real 1
Milan has 1 trophy more than Real and it's only due to the European Super Cup ( 1 match played to win the Cup, against a team that won much weaker tournament than the CL)
Comparing overall trophies, Real is much better, though.
Domestic tittles ( leagues, coppas, super coppas)
Real 57 - Milan 27
International tittles :
Real 15 - Milan 16
Overall :
Real 72 - Milan 43
Having this in mind, i'd say Real's trophies weigh much more than Milan's.
Hasan Rossonero
30-07-2007, 16:42
Fair points Tony29.
I will say that our management does have a system in place that allowed us to enjoy great success in Europe in the last 20 years.
Not many clubs can claim success like that for that long a period of time.
Regarding domestic perfomances, let's not go there 'cause unlike Milan, Real didn't have to play in a doctored league where the real winners are only an assumption in the eye of the beholder ... so, we can't really say what Milan could/would/should have won or not :)
You guys really like to mention this when , in fact, you should avoid talking about this.
In this doctored league Milan won 5 scudetti in last 15 years. The same as Juve and much more than anyone else so , as Kui used to say when he was around, it makes you wonder who were the ones who doctored the league and if Juve were the only ones who were doing it, then how come they allowed Milan to win so much ?
We have proves that one single season was doctored and that's it. If there were more irregularities than i'm sure we would have heard about it, don't you think ? That's why you don't have an argument about the domestic trophies. They are as they are and period.
Warro Bantan
30-07-2007, 16:52
Hmmm...seems like our Juventino friend is having a little Milan-hate-athon...
Dont be so sad Tony, one day, Juve will win the UCL again, so you can maybe join in on discussions about trophies, and who has won more of what, especially when we are talking about "all-competitions"...even if you may have to actually win it more than the once or twice you guys actually did win it....:rollani:
Oh and Zlat, Milan did win a lot but it was also in two periods. The Sacchi/Capello and the Ancelotti period.
Between them were 7 awful/very bad/ bad years.
We can't be sure at all that a similar dry period will follow immediately but as it happened always, with every single great team in the world, this period will come for Milan. Maybe and probably not this year, but after 2 or 3 years it will happen.
And then ........... i don't know, the guys who run Milan are pretty old, don't you think ? You think their successors will be as successful and Kaka has a guaranteed success at Milan in the rest 7 years of his career ?
omg its so boring u write 2 pages about one carlo's sentence? He just meant its nice to be a part of milan since u can pick up soap under shower anytime without fear... and since kaka is a kind of a holy virgin boy lets spare him for a couple of seasons, shall we?
i would bet real will s-ck this season too in CL
Hmmm...seems like our Juventino friend is having a little Milan-hate-athon...
I am not, but some of you simply can't accept a critic. In my time here i provided so much info about Milan's history and present and i was always praising Milan when there was a reason. If you accept the praise you will have to accept the critic, even if the critic is not actually a critic but stats from the history books ( with history , in this case, being everything that happened before today)
If you didn't see it , i wasn't comparing Milan to Juve but to Real. And there is absolutely no need for me to prove that Real is more successful than Milan if i don't mean it. I thought what Ancelotti said was not correct and i said it.
You know, in the last year i always (ALWAYS) defended Galliani, Gilardino, Ancelotti when i thought they were attacked for no reason. And there are times when i criticize them. (eventhough, never as much as 99% of the members here)
But there are 3 or 4 old members (very good man and great contributers here, tbh) who have problems seeing the bad things in Milan.
I refuse to keep quiet and not mention these things only because these members won't like to hear it !
Hasan Rossonero
30-07-2007, 17:04
Hmmm...seems like our Juventino friend is having a little Milan-hate-athon...
Dont be so sad Tony, one day, Juve will win the UCL again, so you can maybe join in on discussions about trophies, and who has won more of what, especially when we are talking about "all-competitions"...even if you may have to actually win it more than the once or twice you guys actually did win it....:rollani:
Now now...what was that about pride coming before a fall?
He brings up good points, even though Milan should hold a workshop on winning the CL for Juventus. :grinser:
sheva-gila
30-07-2007, 17:09
He brings up good points, even though Milan should hold a workshop on winning the CL for Juventus. :grinser:
nice one mate!!!!! :5ok: :5ok:
Warro Bantan
30-07-2007, 17:10
Lighten-up Tony, I was just kidding...facts are facts, and trophies represent a "factual" accomplishment, even if (as in the case with Inter´s UCL trophy) they were bought and paid for....
That being said, we continue to look forward to your contributions, as they are (almost) always insightful, and spark good, strong debate.
Carlo´s response was a witty one, even if based on nothing really except that the La Liga title isnt (as far as he seems to be concerned) as prestegious as the UCL title...which is what I think he was referring to...(even if the La Liga trophy itself weighs more than the UCL trophy :dontkn: ) :D
No one is asking you to be quiet...that contravenes the purpose of a forum now doesnt it?
Relax bro...its not that serious...dont be so sensitive.
zlatanov
30-07-2007, 17:25
You guys really like to mention this when , in fact, you should avoid talking about this.
In this doctored league Milan won 5 scudetti in last 15 years. The same as Juve and much more than anyone else so , as Kui used to say when he was around, it makes you wonder who were the ones who doctored the league and if Juve were the only ones who were doing it, then how come they allowed Milan to win so much ?
We have proves that one single season was doctored and that's it. If there were more irregularities than i'm sure we would have heard about it, don't you think ? That's why you don't have an argument about the domestic trophies. They are as they are and period.
Accoding to the evidence when Milan was winning the league it was not doctored ... the questions and concerns started several years ago with "crazy" Zeman and the "doctored" period seems to concern the period when another team, and not Milan, was having a feast from the scudetto :)
Whether the league was doctored back in the beginning and mid 1990s, I am yet to see someone show any evidence on that or raise concerns serious enough to take Milan to court ... unlike it was the case with that "other" team.
But if you read my statement above carefully, you will see that I am actually putting all teams under the same umbrella - my point is that in a league like that no one can say for sure which team would have been the deserved winners ... if you see in it a suggestion that Milan should have been the wiiners, then that's probbaly like an after-effect from the fact that Milan were the best Italian team, yet they didn't win and you are feeling a little guilty about that ... that, however, was not my suggestion :)
Oh and Zlat, Milan did win a lot but it was also in two periods. The Sacchi/Capello and the Ancelotti period.
Between them were 7 awful/very bad/ bad years.
We can't be sure at all that a similar dry period will follow immediately but as it happened always, with every single great team in the world, this period will come for Milan. Maybe and probably not this year, but after 2 or 3 years it will happen.
And then ........... i don't know, the guys who run Milan are pretty old, don't you think ? You think their successors will be as successful and Kaka has a guaranteed success at Milan in the rest 7 years of his career ?
hence my suggestion to take a "broader" sample of time - 20 years - so that we don't zero in our bias on a narrow period of time, which may have been affected by external influences/circumstances that are no longer around (like Silvio neglecting Milan because of his political career and Milan's cnange in policy approach, which have brought them nothing but success over the past 5 years).
If we are looking at bad periods, how about zeroing in on Real's 38 year drought in the CL ... that's about as wide a sample period as one could ask for from a statistical point of view?
As for Milan's management being old - hence my reference to the fact that Kaka will be thinking of retirement within the next 6-7 years, which is short enough of a period to ensure that unless some unforseeable circumsatnce happen - and they can happen to anyone, including Real's management - the current Milan will be under the same guidance for virtually the rest of Kaka's career.
So, Kaka would hardly be affected by the performance of the managers who would succeed Galliani, Braida, and Co., whoever they are (although it looks like Leonardo is being groomed into becoming their successor)
P.S. see, EZ thinks several steps ahead when he says something :D
i think you can't compare domestic titles between Milan and Real because it's 2 differents leagues and neither play in both of them. Therefore they should be only compare in International competitions, such as champions league, uefa cup etc... thats what this international tournaments are for to compare teams from diferent leagues! this is off topic though :D
Warro Bantan
30-07-2007, 17:34
Based on some rumors from theGuardian, I now know another potential candidate for Mr X: Raul!!
Yes, apparently, Schuster doesnt like Raul...which could mean:
a) Schuster is about to get sacked
b) Raul will be sold
c) None of the above...
But it was worth a post nevertheless....I mean really, wouldnt all the faeces hit the fan if he were to "want away to Milan"?
While many here think Raul is washed up, I think he still has a few years left in him, and would welcome him to Milan...certainly not as versatile a player as say..Baptista, but given a choice, it would be definately Raul for me.
It was fun reading all the post like Tony vs Hasan, Zlat & Warro nice one.
When I read what Ancelotti said this morning my first reaction was a smirk, we all understand what type of coach we have we all remember what he said about Liverpool before the final and to Mancini after we lost the derby. To be honest id rather have a coach like this than some boring old coach who doesnt say anything he shouldnt. Tony you had some good points and looking at them statistics you can tell Madrid have only done better than us domestically, they won the first 5 CL when you couldnt even call it a competition, you talk about them winning the league this season and imho rather than them playing good I think Barca lost it towards the end of the season. If it wasnt for the Liga title when was the last time they won a title? Also one more thing to say Kaka got us the CL is kind of stupid because everybody chipped in, yes he did play a vital role in us winning the cup but it wasnt only him but others like Seedorf & Pippo.
Edit: One more thing I also think when Berlu said that Kaka would be the image of Milan he would be integrated into the club, a bit like Maldini as im sure when Maldini does decide to hang up his boots he will have a role in the boards. When they tell Kaka that he has a position after he decides to retire im sure he would want to remain throughout his career.
Indeed Hasan, when Berlu was talking that way, he was really the only one doing that, as he was the "Abramovitch" of that era.
@ Dru: Where would Quaresma play bro? Would you bench/loan Gourcuff? Just asking....:respect:
I hope to play him in left midfield. I don't see his arrival as a hindrance to gorcuff because if plays in the middle of the park. The way i see it if we can't get a world class lb we might as well keep our opponent's left busy with attacking moves from Q.
Accoding to the ecidence when Milan was winning the league it was not doctored ... the questions and concerns started several years ago with "crazy" Zeman and and the "dcotored" period seems to concern the period when another team, and Milan, was having a feast from the scudetto :)
Whether the league was doctored back in the beginning and mid 1990s, I am yet to see someone show any evidence on that or raise concerns serious enough to take Milan to court.
Still, in the "doctored" period Milan won 2 scudetti with one of them being won when they were far from superior (1999). What happened next year (Juve losing the scudetto in the last match) kinda rules out the "evidence" about a doctored league you're talking about. (you did put all the teams under the same umbrella but you obviously mean "only Juve" so that's why i'm answering you this way)
Concerns in Italy were always there. The money going in Milan were always a source for everyday debates among the normal people in Italy. If concerns are the evidence for something then Berlusconi would have had multiple jail sentences till now. What matters is evidence. Evidence was found for 1 single year only and that is what we'll have to accept as the reality. If they had proves for 2005 they would have had them for 2006. Since they don't have them then we can only speculate and use this "doctored league" argument only when it suits us
if you see in it a suggestion that Milan should have been the wiiners, then that's probbaly like an after-effect from the fact that Milan were the best Italian team, yet they didn't win and you are feeling a little guilty about that ... that, however, was not my suggestion :)
It sounded like it's your suggestion though.
But even if it isn't your suggestion i'll say that Milan did deserve to win the 2005 scudetto. But that's the only scudetto you deserved during the time when the league was "doctored". In the other years you were finishing 3rd, 4th, 8th and you were clearly inferior to the winners, be it Juve, Roma or Lazio.
And if you think about it, the only time Italians had an undeserved champion (from the way how the teams actually played in the particular season) was 2004/05 exactly.... the only season where evidence was found it was "doctored"
That's why i'm saying that , 2004/05 season aside, the rest was clear and i'll dare say clean. No doctoring involved and results must count as they are.
As for the rest of your post.... we, actually i, started a useless conversation about where will Kaka win more. I apologize for starting it. We can't know this atm and even if we use data and logic to predict it, we'll still probably fail to give a good answer.
38 dry years, 6 great years and 4 more dry years by no means are a guarantee that it will be like that again.
In the 38 years Real never had the best team in Europe and they never even had the biggest names of European football. Platini, Maradona, Cruyff, Van Basten, Rivera, Rossi, Zico, Beckenbauer...they never played for Real.
In the last 4 years they had only names. Old players who had nothing else but their names left.
We may think Calderon is a clown and Schuster is not capable (the man is still very young we can't judge him yet. People thought Lippi is noone when he came to Juve and Ancelotti was incapable when he came to Milan) but we can see they are trying to make a champion team out of Real.
If they succeed and if they bring the young great players they promised then i don't see why we should use history, be it the last 10, 20 or 30 years, to prove how Kaka won't win as much in Real as much as he can win in Milan.
I must say this Zebra has turned all white
You guys are funny. :haha: :)
Based on some rumors from theGuardian, I now know another potential candidate for Mr X: Raul!!
Yes, apparently, Schuster doesnt like Raul...which could mean:
a) Schuster is about to get sacked
b) Raul will be sold
c) None of the above...
But it was worth a post nevertheless....I mean really, wouldnt all the faeces hit the fan if he were to "want away to Milan"?
While many here think Raul is washed up, I think he still has a few years left in him, and would welcome him to Milan...certainly not as versatile a player as say..Baptista, but given a choice, it would be definately Raul for me.
Raul for Real is like Maldini for Milan.
He will never ever ever leave Real.
I am pretty sure of that, if Schuster doesn't like him he will just get fired. :grinser:
Lets be honest. The last trophy was all-Kaka.
Totally disagree. To be honest, the spirit of Milan players did it! Let's say we didnt have Kaka. Against Celtic, if there was no Kaka's goal, it would be 0-0 in San Siro and went to penalties. You cant say, Milan couldn't win penalties. Against Bayern in München, couldn't Milan without Kaka make it 0-0 or even 1-1? You could see the whole second half against Bayern. Milan 'only' could defend. Yes, I know Kaka scored in San Siro. But it could go 0-0 if Kaka didnt score! Then against ManU. If the score was still 1-0 for ManU after Ronaldo scored, I dont think Milan would concede 1 more goal! Milan could make it 0-1 and what Milan need was to win 1-0 or 2-0. And you could watch the game in San Siro. The best game Ancelotti ever has. That's because of Kaka? NO! The spirit of the players. In Final, well Milan still could fight against Liverpool without Kaka.
So, the last trophy was NOT all-Kaka!!
I must say this Zebra has turned all white
The only teams i like are Hajduk and Juve.
I am not a fan of Real and they aren't rivals of my team so you can be sure i have no bias and i'm 100% neutral and realistic when i talk about Real ,Barca, Arsenal, Bayern or Lyon.
If i am wrong with what i've said about Real, you can't say i was wrong because i was biased, you can only say i was wrong because i suck with my predictions :)
zlatanov
30-07-2007, 18:34
As for the rest of your post.... we, actually i, started a useless conversation about where will Kaka win more. I apologize for starting it. We can't know this atm and even if we use data and logic to predict it, we'll still probably fail to give a good answer.
you don't have to appologize for that - it was a good point, although clearly wrong :D
however, you do have to apologize for comparing Real to Milan in the first place ... what a blesphemy :mad:
:grinser:
hitmannq8
30-07-2007, 18:39
now that we've compared Milan with Real, let's compare Juve with other teams of its International calibre like Nottingham Forrest, Red Star Belgrade etc etc. So Tony when do you think Juve will next reach the final?
Domestic tittles ( leagues, coppas, super coppas)
Real 57 - Milan 27
No Tony29, you can't compare Milan and Real Madrid in diffrent competition that they dont play! You cant compare who is better Tiger Wood or Ronaldo! They play diffrent stuff just like Milan and Madrid considering local league/copa/cup.
The only teams i like are Hajduk and Juve.
I am not a fan of Real and they aren't rivals of my team so you can be sure i have no bias and i'm 100% neutral and realistic when i talk about Real ,Barca, Arsenal, Bayern or Lyon.
If i am wrong with what i've said about Real, you can't say i was wrong because i was biased, you can only say i was wrong because i suck with my predictions :)
You are antiMilan Tony and you haven't got any place here :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
:grinser: :grinser: :grinser: :grinser:
Bla, Bla, Bla say something different, i hate Juve, Inter, Barca, Liverpool, Olympiakos, Panathinaikos, AEK f...ng Athens, Aris.... Bayern.
PAOK PAOK> Milan > Manchester United > Real Madrid
As the CL is becoming more competitive in 10 years time we will have more CL than Real Madrid, so don't bother. The dif between the teams (i am Madrid in Spain) is that Milan is an illustrious club, more credible, it doesn't change it's coaches every year, it doesn't buy players only to sell shirts, it doesn't change at least the 50% of its players every year, it's not a mess.
For Juve (sorry Tony), they won 2 CL, the 1st with a penalty of Platini about it all the world is laughing and the 2nd against Silloy at the end of a good period for Ajax. So at 20-25 years they may got another one.
As far as Serie A i don't think that Milan is innocent but Juve makes extravagant things to win the trophies. Except of the doctors et.c they take the majority of their players by other Italian clubs and they have a lot of mysterious results in some games. Even this year at Serie B.
now that we've compared Milan with Real, let's compare Juve with other teams of its International calibre like Nottingham Forrest, Red Star Belgrade etc etc. So Tony when do you think Juve will next reach the final?
We're better than them :diablo:
With 2 CL's , 3 uefa cups, 1 cup winners cup, 2 intercontinental cups and 2 european supercups ( even 1 intertoto cup, but i won't count it :)) we have 10 international tittles, which is still a respectful number. It's a bigger number than what Barcelona, Manchester United, Arsenal, Bayern or Inter have, not to mention Zvezda or Nothingham.
Actually, in Europe, only Real, Milan and Liverpool have more international trophies than Juve, while Ajax has the same numbers of trophies as we do.
See, we're not as bad as you think :)
As for the question about the next final...... nice timing for asking it.
If some day Moratti decides to relegate Milan to serie B, i'll ask you the same question about Milan and i'll answer you the question you asked me ;)
ForeverMilan
30-07-2007, 19:51
2 CL is too much for you,why dont you give one of them to inter who didnt win it since 42 years? :p017: :diablo: :dielaugh:
Totally disagree. To be honest, the spirit of Milan players did it! Let's say we didnt have Kaka. Against Celtic, if there was no Kaka's goal, it would be 0-0 in San Siro and went to penalties. You cant say, Milan couldn't win penalties. Against Bayern in München, couldn't Milan without Kaka make it 0-0 or even 1-1? You could see the whole second half against Bayern. Milan 'only' could defend. Yes, I know Kaka scored in San Siro. But it could go 0-0 if Kaka didnt score! Then against ManU. If the score was still 1-0 for ManU after Ronaldo scored, I dont think Milan would concede 1 more goal! Milan could make it 0-1 and what Milan need was to win 1-0 or 2-0. And you could watch the game in San Siro. The best game Ancelotti ever has. That's because of Kaka? NO! The spirit of the players. In Final, well Milan still could fight against Liverpool without Kaka.
So, the last trophy was NOT all-Kaka!!
It was all-Kaka !
Don't take this literally because Milan wouldn't have won it with Kaka and 10 primavera players. You have to have 11 good players to win CL, but when a player brakes up defenses like Kaka, when he creates chances, scores 50% of the goals, makes most of the assists and makes the opponents nervous and crazy, then you can use "ALL-Kaka"
Don't listen to me...listen to numerous MM members who during the season have said many times how Milan is " one man team" .
If you took out one player from Milan's team ( be it Nesta, Seedorf, Pirlo, Dida or even Gattuso) Milan could have , probably, still won the CL. But if you take Kaka out of the team Milan not only that wouldn't have won CL and would have been eliminated in March or early April already , but would have also missed out on CL next year because you'd have hardly gotten the 4th place ( my opinion, of course. We can't know this for sure)
You can't look at the things the way you do in your post. If Kaka wasn't there, matches wouldn't have gone the way they did. For example, in Manchester, if he didn't use his magic and scored a brace, then that match could have easily finished 3:0 and everything would have been different
It was all-Kaka !
No, even if he was by far the best performer.
Don't listen to me...listen to numerous MM members who during the season have said many times how Milan is " one man team".
Probably the same people I showed that we didn't lose a single game that Kaka didn't play in.
If you took out one player from Milan's team ( be it Nesta, Seedorf, Pirlo, Dida or even Gattuso) Milan could have , probably, still won the CL. But if you take Kaka out of the team Milan not only that wouldn't have won CL and would have been eliminated in March or early April already, but would have also missed out on CL next year because you'd have hardly gotten the 4th place ( my opinion, of course. We can't know this for sure)
Incredible speculative and not something anyone can prove anyway. Without Kaka we would have used another player and clearly we still have and had the quality to win. besides all the players you mentioned did miss some games each.
You can't look at the things the way you do in your post. If Kaka wasn't there, matches wouldn't have gone the way they did. For example, in Manchester, if he didn't use his magic and scored a brace, then that match could have easily finished 3:0 and everything would have been different
first you say a good advice, then you destroy that utterly later with doing the same error you just talked down. Game could have finished 3-0 for ManU? How? Especially since we scored the first goal, in fact ManU scored all those goals with Kaka on the field. Nothings to say the game couldn't have ended 1-0 for us with a Inzaghi goal.
first you say a good advice, then you destroy that utterly later with doing the same error you just talked down. Game could have finished 3-0 for ManU? How? Especially since we scored the first goal, in fact ManU scored all those goals with Kaka on the field. Nothings to say the game couldn't have ended 1-0 for us with a Inzaghi goal.
The first goal was scored by Cristiano Ronaldo. Milan didn't score first !
Siregar was talking like the matches would have gone the same way with or without Kaka. He said that if he didn't play and score against Celtic the match would have gone to penalties, when, even though it could have happened, we don't know if without Kaka Milan wouldn't have lost 1:0 in regular time or won 3:0.
He said that if Kaka wasn't there and didn't score a brace after Ronaldo opened the score, the match would have finished 1:0 for ManU.
I just said there's no way we could know it and that it could have easily finished 3:0 for ManU ( just like it could have finished 1:1, 2:1, 1:2)
According to his logic, the matches would have went the same way, only that Kaka's goals wouldn't have been scored.
As much as I don't want to admit it, without Kaka we most likely would NOT have won the CL this year. Kaka pretty much saved our arse with his numerous goals + assists this campaign. Had an injury or suspension occurred to Kaka we pretty much would have been done. That's the truth...no buts/ifs about it. Hopefully next year with Ronaldo available plus the new signing when he comes Kaka won't have as much of a burden to bare.
we didn't lose a single game that Kaka didn't play in.
This is not true !
Hasan Rossonero
30-07-2007, 22:17
Today's Gazzetta:
Baptista will become an EU citizen today. Milan want him on loan and so clearly don't want to take a risk on him.
Milan-Pato continues with the Rossoneri in pole position.
Today's Gazzetta:
Baptista will become an EU citizen today. Milan want him on loan and so clearly don't want to take a risk on him.
Very smart.
This way Milan risks nothing if you get him and , imo, you lose nothing if Real won't accept the loan deal and the deal is off.
win-win situation
Sorry guys but I have to agree with the evil juventino :zany: It's this sort of arrogance among us Milan fans and possibly even the players and management that often operates to our embarrassment like losing to the Empoli's (or even worse a small club like Inter :grinser: ) .... As it stands Real Madrid is the most successful club in the world.....I know everybody is going to shoot me down with the fact that the first five don't count...and trust me as a Milanista I too have used this argument...but it's kind of presumptuous for us to magically subtract these.....I'm sure if the shoe were on the other foot we'd be defending our nine trophies as well
And another thing.....this season's success was generally due to Kaka.....other players surely had their moments of brilliance...but it is even more arogant for us to contemplate facing the likes of ManU Liverpool and Barcelona without him....he's our CL top scorer for god's sake :wallbang: Pippo's second goal was Kaka's brilliance.....which we wouldn't even have reached the finals in the first place without him anyway.....Consider this most milan fans are firmly convinced that Kaka is the best player in the world (including my illustrious self)....why is that?? It's because he singlehandedly gave us the CL we had huuuge problems scoring goals until Superman (ronaldo) came. Gila is was and I hope he won't continue to be in the future- rubbish....MANY of Kaka's goals were individualistic brilliance and not the working of the midfield which we to this day continue to overrate.
I think we should be humble about our successes....we aren't a bunch of classless bastards like those Real fans......our unwarranted boasting reminds me of the interfags who seem to think that because they had a huge win this year they are somehow better than us
I hear you Jim, but beg to point out that Quaresma doesnt tend to do half the work Clarence does, and I wouldnt pick him over Clarence, and neither would Carlo methinks...
He is a good player, dont get me wrong, but if I had to chose between an in-form Seedorf, and an in-form Quaresma for big games, the Dutchman has the starting place hands down....as a sub for Clarence though, then maybe, but certainly not over Gourcuff...
So, the next question (slightly rhetorical) is: Is he better than Clarence in your estimation?
I'd say (since the question was originally addressed to me ;) ) that they are pretty much equal...for sure Seedorf is more skilled, intelligent and classy...but Seedorf was second to other midfielders too.........Quaresma is a very skillful and FAST player with the potential for Ancelotti to mold into whatever position he sees fit for him...it's like what happened when Kaka arrived....he wasn't as good as Rui...but he was fast hungry and very skilled.....in time Kaka surpassed all of Rui's talents and accomplishments
Lets be honest. The last trophy was all-Kaka. If he brought a CL trophy to Milan ( and a bad Milan may i remind you) then i see no reason why he shouldn't bring a CL trophy to Real.
Even a super kaka can't single-handed destroy Man U. The whole team did an amazing job in San Siro to send Man U packing so think twice when you say its all-kaka. Seedorf was the one who win the game in Bayern for Milan.
Kaka--7thUCL
31-07-2007, 00:00
The only player I'm interested in right now is Quaglierella hes absolute magic... I could be very content with our transfer market if we leave it at Quaglierella and a couple defs.. And tony we brought him into the player he is,with milan style of play, that's like saying if Shevchenko won a golden ball with milan he can win it at Chelsea, did he? Not even close
Even a super kaka can't single-handed destroy Man U. The whole team did an amazing job in San Siro to send Man U packing so think twice when you say its all-kaka. Seedorf was the one who win the game in Bayern for Milan.
Tony explained what he meant by Kaka 'single-handedly' winning the CL and I have to agree with him. 100% even.
2 CL is too much for you,why dont you give one of them to inter who didnt win it since 42 years? :p017: :diablo: :dielaugh:
they would have to make a one foot adition to their trophy storage cabinet.
Gabriel489
31-07-2007, 02:11
To be honest, if Milan take away Kaka, Milan would be playing in the UEFA Cup this season and would not have advance pass the semi of CL.
As good a team as Milan is, Kaka was amazing and played like a champhion. Now I am not taking anything away from the other players b/c they all played great, except Kaka was better.
Anyhow, back to transfer.
Now Pato, Cassano and Baptista, sounds pretty good to me, just another midfielder and a defender or two and Milan is all ready to fight on all front.
Of all the transfer so far this season. I must tip my hat to ManU, Roma and Barcelona. As all three of them had filled their team with needed players. Yes, Roma sold Chivu...but I don't think it will hurt them too much as Mexes are still there.
As for Inter, well, they are Inter, what more can I say.
To be honest, if Milan take away Kaka, Milan would be playing in the UEFA Cup this season and would not have advance pass the semi of CL.
Any team playing with 10 players would find it difficult to win the UCL, guys don't make me laugh k. :grinser:
It doesn't matter when were the trophies won, they were won and many of them were won recently. The thing is, this would have been a hell of a reply to any other team in the world, but not to Real Madrid.
And it's not like their trophies are all in history books. They have 3 Cl's in last 10 years ( more than Milan) , 4 league trophies in last 10 years (more than Milan) and 2 Intercontinental cups in last 10 years (more than Milan)
Game, set, match
:D
Edit : 10 years is the only period of time that you can use in this argument. No more and no less than 10 years
:bri:
Don't you guys realised all this arguement about real and milan is really crazy?
Firstly, who make that statement about trophies? Ancelotti. He won 2 UCL in 5 years and bring milan to another final, semi and Q. Obviously the period he was talking about is the past 5 years when he has been the coach and what he has won while madrid hasn't done a jack for the past 5 years. So bringing in any period of time other than the past 5 years is really a poor arguement and trying to make a case out of it is really.... :devf:
I said taking Baptista on loan was a better idea :D
There's a headline "Baptista to the Milan: l`offerta e` ready", is that basically saying Baptista is offering himself to us and is ready to join us?
There's also a huge long article on calciomercato talking about Pato & Ronaldinho. See if you can make sense of it in its garbled English.
Samba Milan, Pato in before row. Galliani ' easy Piu' arrives he that Ronaldinho'
09:54 of the 31 July
Afternoon in beach and evening to the restaurant. Milan and Real Madrid Strongly choose the mondana of Marbles for the riappacificazione and to return to make transactions together. The rossonero vice president Adrian Galliani and the general manager of the Real Pedrag Mijatovic, in fact, Sunday have passed with the entire day. Before they have been sights to you to the baths Rome Ponente and Twiga and in late evening, after to have seen the friendly Lecco-Milan, they are appeared to the Maitò restaurant, where Galliani in company of Gigi Marzullo and other friends has celebrated 63° the birthday. The encounter with Mijatovic is served in order to speak mainly about Julio Baptista but also in order ribadire the incedibilità of Kakà. Galliani yesterday is returned to Milan without the agreement, Mijatovic instead has taken an airplane for Madrid with an offer that will have to subject to Calderon. The rossonero club has asked for being able to have the player with the formula of the loan with right of redeems. On the plate two million euro and others have been puttinges endured twelve to deliver between a year. Mijatovic has listened to Galliani carefully, but he is not appeared enthusiastic of the first offer. The speech still is not closed, only sent back of some day. A lot probably the negotiation will leave again to Moscow, in occasion of the torneo in order to celebrate the 70 years of the Russian railroads where the intermediary Ernesto Bronzetti will be present, for the Real the same Mijatovic and probably also the Calderon president. Galliani has not still confirmed its presence. The visit of Mijatovic has given however good fruits. To rossonero to the escape of the restaurant where it has had supper the madridista does not have intentional to say very. Intercepted from a troupe of Sky it has smile of forehead to the name of Baptista is has let to scappare only the following consideration: "It is important to have resumed the dialogue with the Real". Also the leader of the merengues is not appeared much loquacious one even if she has hurried to emphasize how much follows: "we have not spoken about Kakà". Like if it wanted to emphasize that at least orally the speech definitively is closed. Now the Milan will have to directly resolve the issue with the champion. Galliani of the rest is the first one to wanting to withhold its more important player, here because they are in many to consigliargli the more soon meeting to father Forest for proporgli a contract lengthening with an just economic adaptation. Kakà would be happiest for clearing in order always its situation and to find again in square the Baptista friend. The centrocampista of the Real beyond some rilasciate declarations of circumstance to its arrival in Spain has already given the availability in order to move itself to the Milan. And in fact today it will become communitarian, introducing themselves from the mayor of Madrid and making the oath on the constitution. Agent would not have to be difficult neanche to find an agreement with its for engages it. Baptista in fact earns less than three million than euro and in the Real it has found least space. The Villarreal, while, seems is made from part. The president Fernando Roig in fact has declared: "We have need of a defender centers them after the departure of Gonzalo Rodriguez and the lacked purchase Ayala. We are estimating many possibilities and Baptista is not between these ". While Leonardo has arrived in Brasi them with the objective to close the negotiation for Pato. The skillful arm of Galliani does not have intentional to anticipate nothing on the strategies to rossonere, but it has admitted the interest for the young forward of the Internacional di Porto Alegre. "Pato is a great player and we are interested to players like he" in fact we have confessed. The agent of diciassettenne the Brazilian Gilmar Veloz has confirmed: "Between a pair of weeks we will decide which it will be the club more adapted to its tender age, the boy is followed from Milan, Inter and Real Madrid". The Milan has decided to accelerate the negotiation just for sbaragliare the competition. The president nerazzurro Moratti yesterday from London has faced the argument with a pizzico of irony: "Pato? The Milan has the advantage of having Leonardo that is intelligent Bravo and, an indeed exceptional leader ". Then it has added: "we do not know who has more possibility than to take it. In that it spins we are you must ask its father, Pato and its agent, however is a player in perspective not for the immediate one ". The derby it is preannounced intense and rich of dramatic turn of events. The Inter for a long time has entered in great tuning with the father of the player, the rossoneri can count on the experience of Leonardo and the fact that to Milanello would find many connazionali. Galliani yesterday answering to some tifosi that asked it news on Pato and Ronaldinho has revealed: "It is easier that the second comes first rather than". Leonardo today will meet Pato and the Internacional, but the negotiation is not simplest. The child dreams to go to the Chelsea. Preferred its nickname when chatta on Internet in fact is "Stamford Bridge". To Leo the task to make it to innamorare of... Milanello. (The Press)
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What's this "Galliani ' easy Piu' arrives he that Ronaldinho'" mean? That Pato is the easier transfer or the next Ronaldinho?? I can't believe it means we are getting Pato, Baptista AND Ronaldinho ... surely not :googly:
We're better than them :diablo:
With 2 CL's , 3 uefa cups, 1 cup winners cup, 2 intercontinental cups and 2 european supercups ( even 1 intertoto cup, but i won't count it :)) we have 10 international tittles, which is still a respectful number. It's a bigger number than what Barcelona, Manchester United, Arsenal, Bayern or Inter have, not to mention Zvezda or Nothingham.
Actually, in Europe, only Real, Milan and Liverpool have more international trophies than Juve, while Ajax has the same numbers of trophies as we do.
See, we're not as bad as you think :)
Well, that was a period of time when juve was doing really good in UCL but since they start "messing" around with refs in Serie A, their performances in UCL also drop. If the club put more efforts in playing the ball than messing around with the refs, they can be great again.
Inter.......did they ever play well in UCL? Not when they can't bribe the refs of course.
What's this "Galliani ' easy Piu' arrives he that Ronaldinho'" mean? That Pato is the easier transfer or the next Ronaldinho?? I can't believe it means we are getting Pato, Baptista AND Ronaldinho ... surely not :googly:
If it happen then our attack would be packed like sardines. :grinser: I do not believe that will happen. maybe 2 out of the 3 at the most.
Internacional set Pato price Tuesday 31 July, 2007 : Channel 4
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Internacional of Porto Alegre have paved the way for Alexandre Pato’s departure by placing a £15m price tag on the Milan targets head.
The 17-year-old is one of the hottest properties on the transfer market and has attracted the interest of Chelsea, Real Madrid and Inter along with the Rossoneri.
“Pato’s rescission clause is set at £9.8m and whoever wants to sign him will have to pay that amount of money, which will go entirely to the club,” announced Internacional President Vitorio Pifero.
The remaining £5m would most probably be for the player’s agent Gilmar Veloz, who is expected to meet with Milan official Leonardo shortly.
The former midfielder reportedly travelled to Brazil on Monday, where it is understood he will offer Pato a five-year contract starting out at £800,000 per season, rising to £1.3m by 2011.
“Milan are flying over to Brazil to sign me? That is fantastic,” the youngster told Spanish newspaper AS over the weekend.
“However, I won’t be meeting with their emissaries unless Internacional and my agent give me the go ahead. All I can do is wait and hope.”
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That is absolutely disgusting. £5 million for the agent?!!!!!!! That's a joke, if we pay the clause that should be it, no more. Does his agent own the player? I very much doubt it so what right does he have to demand an additional 50% of his buyout clause for himself? What a parasite!!!!!!!! :mad:
In other news, Kevin Garnett goes to the Boston Celtics :grinser:
now that we've compared Milan with Real, let's compare Juve with other teams of its International calibre like Nottingham Forrest, Red Star Belgrade etc etc. So Tony when do you think Juve will next reach the final?
When Zebras go extinct lol
The first goal was scored by Cristiano Ronaldo. Milan didn't score first !
i stand corrected, still you know what I mean about it all. Maybe Kakas replacement would have stopped Ronaldo in that moment, who knows?
Siregar was talking like the matches would have gone the same way with or without Kaka.
He is clearly incorrect here, just as is anyone claiming we couldn't have won the games without him.
He said that if he didn't play and score against Celtic the match would have gone to penalties, when, even though it could have happened, we don't know if without Kaka Milan wouldn't have lost 1:0 in regular time or won 3:0.
Exactly. But clearly Celtic didn't really stand up to us, they where very fortunate to take that into extra time.
He said that if Kaka wasn't there and didn't score a brace after Ronaldo opened the score, the match would have finished 1:0 for ManU.
I just said there's no way we could know it and that it could have easily finished 3:0 for ManU ( just like it could have finished 1:1, 2:1, 1:2)
According to his logic, the matches would have went the same way, only that Kaka's goals wouldn't have been scored.
This last snippet sounded more like what you said when you said the game would have ended 3-0. His view seemed more that someone else would have stepped in.
This is not true !
The games that counted, yes. although I did this check up in february, I reckon you think about the last games of the season, like the Reggina one? that was not a competitive game for us and we seriously suck at those.
And another thing.....this season's success was generally due to Kaka.....other players surely had their moments of brilliance...but it is even more arrogant for us to contemplate facing the likes of ManU Liverpool and Barcelona without him....he's our CL top scorer for god's sake :wallbang:
There is nothing arrogant in thinking we can face teams like ManU and Liverpool without Kaka. We still have several fresh world champions, we have one of the best scorers ever in europe and in general a team full of quality. Obviously if we take him away we won't be as strong, as would any team if you took away their best player.
It was all-Kaka !
Don't take this literally because Milan wouldn't have won it with Kaka and 10 primavera players. You have to have 11 good players to win CL, but when a player brakes up defenses like Kaka, when he creates chances, scores 50% of the goals, makes most of the assists and makes the opponents nervous and crazy, then you can use "ALL-Kaka"
Don't listen to me...listen to numerous MM members who during the season have said many times how Milan is " one man team" .
If you took out one player from Milan's team ( be it Nesta, Seedorf, Pirlo, Dida or even Gattuso) Milan could have , probably, still won the CL. But if you take Kaka out of the team Milan not only that wouldn't have won CL and would have been eliminated in March or early April already , but would have also missed out on CL next year because you'd have hardly gotten the 4th place ( my opinion, of course. We can't know this for sure)
You can't look at the things the way you do in your post. If Kaka wasn't there, matches wouldn't have gone the way they did. For example, in Manchester, if he didn't use his magic and scored a brace, then that match could have easily finished 3:0 and everything would have been differentHow can you be so sure if Kaka was taken from the team Milan would not win the CL? Yes, Kaka indeed Milan top scorer but what you dont count is players' spirit. If Kaka wouldn't play, you think Milan could not make a goal? From the beginning of knock out, Milan used 4-3-2-1 formation. If Kaka was not in there, would you say milan couldnt score? No, Milan still could score. The team who won CL 2007 is not the Milan team before. The spirit is the diffrent point. Milan had many problems from the beginning. But those problems are only a advantage thing for Milan because they made Milan stronger from mentality point of view. They make players more enthusism.
Milan vs MU was the best macth to watch Milan spirit.
The games that counted, yes. although I did this check up in february, I reckon you think about the last games of the season, like the Reggina one? that was not a competitive game for us and we seriously suck at those.
Not that it's important....... but even this isn't completely true because Kaka hardly ever missed a game that counted.
Kaka didn't play on only 10 matches this season. 4 of these matches were won, 2 were draws and 4 were lost. 3 were coppa matches ( not important. twice Milan won without him against Brescia and once you lost against Arezzo)
1 was CL absolutely not important match ( you lost it against Lille) and 6 were serie A matches ( 3 were not important at all because you already had the 4th place secured...you lost 2 of these and won one , and the other 3 were important... in these three you were plain awful eventhough you didn't lose a single match. Draw 2:2 against Cagliari, draw 0:0 at home against Torino with missed penalty by Gila and only 1 win against Reggina where, i stand 100% behind this, Reggina was really the better team...check the game thread to confirm this)
But there is one more thing that i can't totally prove but i do remember very well. Whenever Kaka was playing bad Milan was eather losing eather getting hard fought draws. When he was good, even if all the others played bad, Milan was winning.
What i am trying to say, and i'm glad to see that 3 more people agree with me, is that if Kaka played in any other quarterfinalist (apart from PSV maybe) that team would have probably won the CL ( speculative, i know :) ). That's how superior Kaka was
The first goal was scored by Cristiano Ronaldo. Milan didn't score first !
Siregar was talking like the matches would have gone the same way with or without Kaka. He said that if he didn't play and score against Celtic the match would have gone to penalties, when, even though it could have happened, we don't know if without Kaka Milan wouldn't have lost 1:0 in regular time or won 3:0.
He said that if Kaka wasn't there and didn't score a brace after Ronaldo opened the score, the match would have finished 1:0 for ManU.
I just said there's no way we could know it and that it could have easily finished 3:0 for ManU ( just like it could have finished 1:1, 2:1, 1:2)
According to his logic, the matches would have went the same way, only that Kaka's goals wouldn't have been scored.
I just only wanted to say that if we took Kaka away from Milan, Milan COULD still win the CL. Against ManU in Old Trafford, the game could go for 1-0 1-1 2-0 2-1 etc. but I am quite sure that Milan would be more enthusiasm just like they faced Bayern in quarter final. Who counted Milan against Bayern in Muenchen even we have Kaka? You could see in that game, Kaka's contribution is much less then against Bayern in San Siro.
The game in San Siro against MU, it could go diffrent but no body knows. With or without Kaka, Milan still had chance to go to Final, that's for sure. So, we cant say, the last thropy was all-Kaka because this is not a sure thing!
Who cares? We are the champions of Europe.
When trying to take Kaka away from Milan, why not take Gerrard away from Liverpool as he won them the 05 final, R10 from Barca last year as he got them into the final, the list goes on and on.
To be honest, if Milan take away Kaka, Milan would be playing in the UEFA Cup this season and would not have advance pass the semi of CL.
No, mate! You cant say that. We CANT know what would happen if Kaka was not in Milan. Milan COULD be playing UEFA cup this season but not WOULD be playing UEFA this season etc etc. You talked about uncertainty.
What's this "Galliani ' easy Piu' arrives he that Ronaldinho'" mean? That Pato is the easier transfer or the next Ronaldinho?? I can't believe it means we are getting Pato, Baptista AND Ronaldinho ... surely not :googly:
Jim, you're a very smart guy even though you keep saying you're not smart :devf:
And because you're smart the next thing i want you to do is to take Italian lessons and learn Italian by this time next year :mad:
Lol, this ''Piu' facile arrivi lui che Ronaldinho'" means that it's easier to get Pato ( Pato to arrive in Milan) than Ronaldinho.
zeshkani
31-07-2007, 06:42
Kaka is the key player for Milan everyone nows that :respect: :respect:
No, mate! You cant say that. We CANT know what would happen if Kaka was not in Milan. Milan COULD be playing UEFA cup this season but not WOULD be playing UEFA this season etc etc. You talked about uncertainty.
Actually, people said that Milan would go down because Shevchenko left the team. Then, we won the 7th CL cup without the no. 7.
Maldini+Nesta
31-07-2007, 07:04
And because you're smart the next thing i want you to do is to take Italian lessons and learn Italian by this time next year :mad:
I'm with you. I want to start learning Italiano.
Plus I wouldn't mind learning French too. I already hablo espanol.
P.S. I agree that it is easiery and wiser to go for Pato than Ronaldinho. Why not take some of the gobs of money and invest in youth a la Arsene Wenger? Milan could pursue many needs and still have cash left over for a rainy day.
Nuovo assalto del Real Madrid per Kakà. L'ultima offerta del club merengue è di 55 milioni di euro più Baptista e Cassano. Lo riferisce l'edizione di oggi del quotidiano spagnolo 'Marca' che legge così il summit tenutosi due giorni fa in Versilia. Secondo 'Marca' Mijatovic e Galliani a forte dei Marmi non avrebbero parlato quindi solo di Baptista.
Real made a fresh offer for Kaka :
55m euro + Baptista + Cassano
source : Calciomercato ( taken from Marca)
Edit : oh, and i found you another player for yours "I hate him" list :)
Cicinho said ""So che lui vuole il Real Madrid, l'unico ostacolo e' che il Milan non lo libera. Ma sono sicuro che se non sara' quest'anno, arrivera' la stagione prossima. Vale 100 milioni? Si', come Ronaldinho e Cristiano Ronaldo".
Translation : I know that he (Kaka) wants Real, the only thing that stops him from joining us is that Milan are not willing to let him go. But i'm sure that if we don't get him this year, he'll certainly arrive next year.
Is he worthy of 100m euro ? Yes he is, just like Ronaldinho and CR7
Hasan Rossonero
31-07-2007, 07:24
Apparently Galliani has rejected it the offer (obviously we didn't need the news to tell us that):
http://www.tgcom.mediaset.it/controcampo/articoli/articolo373214.shtml
Also, guys, I forgot to say yesterday that Baptista and Kaka are very good friends, and that is also one of the motivations for bringing the Beast over. There is a small article about it in Gazzetta.
And don't let Tony29's post get you down; he loves posting negative news about Kaka because he hates the fact that we have the player. :grinser:
Cicinho also said (two month ago or something) that Kaka "was going to ask for a transfer as soon as he got back from vacation". It's in this thread somewhere I think.
Apparently Galliani has rejected it.
http://www.tgcom.mediaset.it/controcampo/articoli/articolo373214.shtml
Also, guys, I forgot to say yesterday that Baptista and Kaka are very good friends, and that is also one of the motivations for bringing the Beast over. There is a small article about it in Gazzetta.
And don't let Tony29's post get you down; he loves posting negative news about Kaka because he hates the fact that we have the player. :grinser:
Cicinho also said (two month ago or something) that Kaka "was going to ask for a transfer as soon as he got back from vacation". It's in this thread somewhere I think.
I'm reading only Calciomercato from Italian sites. I don't like the bias Tuttosport is filled with and i don't like the bias in Gazzetta also. Since you cover Gazzetta perfectly i'm only translating the news calciomercato gives, taken from all the other sources apart from Gazzetta.
The first time i see a positive news about Kaka i swear i'll post it here. But all i see there are these kind of speculations and i'm simply translating everything i found there and is connected to Milan and Serie A.
I know i look negative here but that's only because you post only the positive news taken from a paper close to Milan ;)
Maldini+Nesta
31-07-2007, 07:32
I just don't see Milan giving away their best young player for
any price. What does that give Milan? They already have about 80million
in the transfer kitty 40 roughly from winning the 7th CL.
So they are sitting around with over 100 million and no Kaka..what then??? :mad:
Cicinho always runs his mouth off. He said this kind of thing last summer, saying 'Kaka phoned me, he wants Madrid, he'll join after his holidays' ... blah blah blah.
Hey Cicinho, shut your pie hole and take Calderon's hand out your backside. No one likes a puppet!
You're right Hasan, Baptista & Kaka are good mates being at Sau Paulo and all that.
Tony, i'd love to learn Italian but i'm not smart enough :nana:
Hasan Rossonero
31-07-2007, 07:34
I'm reading only Calciomercato from Italian sites. I don't like the bias Tuttosport is filled with and i don't like the bias in Gazzetta also. Since you cover Gazzetta perfectly i'm only translating the news calciomercato gives, taken from all the other sources apart from Gazzetta.
The first time i see a positive news about Kaka i swear i'll post it here. But all i see there are these kind of speculations and i'm simply translating everything i found there and is connected to Milan and Serie A.
I know i look negative here but that's only because you post only the positive news taken from a paper close to Milan ;)
I was just joking buddy.
Actually, the only reason I post news from the Gazzetta is that although it's pro-Milan, I have found it to be reliable also in the past. Plus I have access to the whole paper, so I try to pass on some info to my fellow Milanisti (and a Juventino :D).
I wouldn't mind posting AS and Marca even (from calciomercato), but my Spanish Real-supporting friends say that those papers are considered almost like tabloids in Spain.
And you know some people get scared here even after reading tribal. I don't want to be responsible for any heart attacks :D.
Hasan Rossonero
31-07-2007, 07:36
Cicinho always runs his mouth off. He said this kind of thing last summer, saying 'Kaka phoned me, he wants Madrid, he'll join after his holidays' ... blah blah blah.
Hey Cicinho, shut your pie hole and take Calderon's hand out your backside. No one likes a puppet!
You're right Hasan, Baptista & Kaka are good mates being at Sau Paulo and all that.
Tony, i'd love to learn Italian but i'm not smart enough :nana:
Well it seems you have Spanish down: Sign Villa rapido por favor. :grinser:
Arildonardo
31-07-2007, 07:38
Here is Football Italia's article on Real Madrid's last offer for Kaka:
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jul31f.html
Real, you can have him! In your dreams... :devf:
Hasan Rossonero
31-07-2007, 07:44
Here is Football Italia's article on Real Madrid's last offer for Kaka:
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jul31f.html
Real, you can have him! In your dreams... :devf:
Hmm if they threw Calderon in also, I'd do business.
My point of you is that even a small team wouldn't sell it's best player while they didn't do any transfers. So obviously it will not happen in Milan also. Finally i think we will make 1 to 3 moves, who will be i don't know. But we must harry up because in a few days the 3rd Qual for CL starts and the options will be even more limited.
I was just joking buddy.
Actually, the only reason I post news from the Gazzetta is that although it's pro-Milan, I have found it to be reliable also in the past. Plus I have access to the whole paper, so I try to pass on some info to my fellow Milanisti (and a Juventino :D).
I wouldn't mind posting AS and Marca even (from calciomercato), but my Spanish Real-supporting friends say that those papers are considered almost like tabloids in Spain.
And you know some people get scared here even after reading tribal. I don't want to be responsible for any heart attacks :D.
Every paper has true and false stories. Usually i don't believe papers that are pro-team x or team y.
Even if Gazzetta wasn't as reliable, i would have totally understood why are you reading this paper and why do you visit tgcom ( it's mediaset's). As fans we always want to read things that will make us smile not things that will make us lose our sleep.
I would have done exactly the same with Tuttosport if they were as serious as Gazzetta and if they didn't have the biggest clowns in journalism writing there ( the last time i read Tuttosport i wanted to puke. Inter won against China 3:0 and Juve won 4:0. Tuttosport came out with a front page headline " Inter won 3:0 Juve won 4:0. Juve will beat Inter 4:3" )
:mad:
I swear ( there is no need, i know, but i must convince you :) ) that i wanted to post good news about Kaka whenever i saw one. But when i would come here i would have seen that you were faster and you shared and translated the news already)
When i see negative news about Kaka i do the same thing like with the positive news, but then i see you didn't put the news here so i translate it. That's why it looks to you like i post only the negative news. :devf:
And i always give the sources. People here know how "reliable" AS and Marca are when they write about Real. It's better for the members to read it here and see the source than to read it on channel4 or some other English site, after they make a bad translation, put a little make-up and make it sound like Kaka to Real is a done deal.
About your discussion with Tony, it started being irritating. We don't have anything to do and just try to have disagreements with Tony. As a result... he is a little bit negative about our team so .... say sthng dif.
Things got complicated for Chelsea with Alex.
He didn't get his work permit and now Chelsea have 28 days to appeal. If they lose the appeal then they'll have no other option but to loan or sell Alex out of England
Also, this :
I don't remember it posted here that Ilsinho, the RB Milan was interested in, signed 4 years contract with Shakhtar Donieck. The Ukrainians payed 10m euro.
Hasan Rossonero
31-07-2007, 07:58
I believe you...of course whenever there is transfer speculation there is no good news for one side.
By the way what did you think about the English media pouncing on the legend that is Gigi...presumptuous to say the least.
Hasan Rossonero
31-07-2007, 07:59
Things got complicated for Chelsea with Alex.
He didn't get his work permit and now Chelsea have 28 days to appeal. If they lose the appeal then they'll have no other option but to loan or sell Alex out of England
Also, this :
I don't remember it posted here that Ilsinho, the RB Milan was interested in, signed 4 years contract with Shakhtar Donieck. The Ukrainians payed 10m euro.
Folks the positive news has started. :p017:
BLUES CLOSE IN ON ALEX
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/15083/Blues-close-in-on-Alex
Chelsea have taken a major step forward in their bid to sign PSV Eindhoven defender Alex by applying for a work permit.
The Brazilian arrived at Heathrow Airport on Sunday to discuss personal terms and was cleared to enter the country. However, after a small delay, he opted to return home voluntarily - scotching suggestions that he had been barred from the UK.
A statement issued by Chelsea said: "Alex was due to arrive into England on Sunday to discuss personal terms. Chelsea Football Club are in the process of applying for a work permit for the player in line with normal football and employment procedure."
The statement continued: "At airport immigration there was a request to clarify Alex's current status. All of the paperwork for his entry was in order.
"After an initial delay, he was cleared to enter the country. He chose voluntarily to fly back but will return when necessary."
However, a Home Office spokesman, while not prepared to discuss individual cases, said: "We have a duty to ensure that the public are aware of, and have confidence in, the security in place at the border, which is for their protection.
"Visitors to the UK also need to be aware of the presence of immigration officers and that they will be subject to checks before being granted entry to this country."
Alex is now likely to undergo a hearing in the near future to assess whether or not he meets the criteria for a work permit.
Guidelines require that a player must have played for his country in at least 75% of their competitive 'A' games in which he was available for selection, during the two years preceding the date of the application.
Alex is understood to have only played in eight of the 14 Brazilian games he was available for in the last two years and was not selected for the others
By the way what did you think about the English media pouncing on the legend that is Gigi...presumptuous to say the least.
I think he deserved it. It was an awful tackle.
Gigi had to make the tackle in order to save himself from an injury but he acted selfish and unprofessional. In order not to injure himself he decided to go for a tackle.
I know he did it by reflex but it looked really scary when he went directly to striker's legs ( i don't remember the name of the NC player).
Argh. Alex is so overrated it's not healthy :D
Go to Marca, http://www.marca.com/ down at the right part you will the front page of today's edition, the state that Madrid offer us 55m plus Baptista and Cassano for Kaka. If that so , i say No,[U] from the first glance.
btw who is the mister x galliani mentionned?
-non EU
-will get EU pasport before 1september
perhaps requeilme?
wel rumours are just for now:
pato and baptista. IMO 2 good signings?
but if we buy baptista we won't get pato i think? has baptista got an EU pasport yet?
ooh already mentionned in this post he got his eu pasport... so that will probably be are 2 singnings
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=21&a=50085
At today's press conference Galliani finally confirmed it " Our objectives are Baptista and Pato"
Then he continued , saying what Hasan already posted, how Milan will consider buying Baptista only after one year's loan in case he satisfies
About Pato " Tonight Braida will go to Brasil and we'll know more. If we buy him we'll do that in January, though"
"There are no other names apart from these two. We can as well stay as we are now"
Today Julio Baptista got his EU-passport and if he comes to Milan he won't be taking the non-EU spot
Hasan Rossonero
31-07-2007, 09:22
To add to Tony's input (acmilan.com):
A margine della conferenza stampa di presentazione della nuova maglia rossonera ufficiale Adidas per la stagione 2007/08 l'amministratore delegato Adriano Galliani ha fatto chiarezza sui temi del mercato:
Pato: "Ho letto che Leonardo sarebbe in Brasile per portare avanti la trattativa con Pato. Questo non è vero, Leo infatti è solo in vacanza. Per parlare del giocatore partirà questa sera Ariedo Braida e vedremo quali saranno gli sviluppi della trattativa. In ogni caso io sono tranquillo, il tempo delle fregole infatti è finito. In questi anni di lunga esperienza ho imparato che spesso con campagne acquisti faraoniche non si è vinto nulla e al contrario si è vinto con l'arrivo di pochissimi giocatori. Dunque se ci saranno le possibilità prenderemo Pato, altrimenti il giocatore potrà accasarsi negli altri club che lo seguono. Indubbiamente il ragazzo ci interessa, ma ripeto, non c'è alcun tipo di ansia. Ricordo a tutti che Pato è extracomunitario e non ha ancora compiuto la maggiore età, dunque ci interessa per il mese di gennaio".
Juilio Baptista: "Per quanto riguarda la situazione del giocatore del Real anche in questo caso non ci sono problemi a fare chiarezza. Se il Real Madrid è disposto a cederlo in prestito con diritto di riscatto la trattativa si chiude altrimenti guarderemo altrove. Con i dirigenti del Real sono stato molto chiaro, perchè si chiuda la trattativa le condizioni sono queste. Kakà? Nessun dirigente del Real Madrid mi ha chiesto ancora Kakà, sanno che è irraggiungibile. Mi chiedete in quale posizione giocherebbe Baptista? Io non amo i discorsi relativi alla prima, seconda o presunta mezza punta. Dico solo che verrebbe acquistato per farlo giocare in uno dei tre ruoli offensivi. Io infatti ritengo che il Milan giochi con il 4-3-3.".
Russo-Neri
31-07-2007, 09:55
Who cares? We are the champions of Europe.
When trying to take Kaka away from Milan, why not take Gerrard away from Liverpool as he won them the 05 final, R10 from Barca last year as he got them into the final, the list goes on and on.
Bingo - You got it. Obviously Milan couldn't have won without their best player. The Bulls wouldn't have won so many champs without Michael Jordin. But Kaka didn't do it alone. If you had a team with Kaka and 10 clones of me, I can guarantee our success in the cl would never have happened...
Hasan Rossonero
31-07-2007, 10:04
Juve block Chiellini exit
Tuesday 31 July, 2007
Juventus President Giovanni Cobolli Gigli has stated that he won’t to accept Manchester City’s offer for Giorgio Chiellini.
The defender has been paired with Sven-Goran Eriksson’s new club and reports in England suggest that he was close to signing a £7m deal with the English club.
“Juve’s position is to refuse Manchester City’s offer for Chiellini,” announced Old Lady chief Cobolli Gigli in a statement to the Press.
The full-back recently complained that he felt neglected by the Bianconeri, who had only focused on renewing the contracts of their star names.
His agent confirmed on Monday that his client would favour a move to Manchester City, where he would increase the Italian contingent already formed by Rolando Bianchi and Bernardo Corradi.
“Chiellini would be thrilled to play in the Premier League with City, but everything depends on Juventus, on the final price and on their will to let him leave or not,” explained Davide Lippi.
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Hasan Rossonero
31-07-2007, 10:44
http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Calciomercato/Primo_Piano/2007/07_Luglio/31/galliani.shtml
If Pato comes, great, if not life goes on- Galliani
Kaka will not be sold for at least the next 4 years: the President has said so- Galliani.
Maldini+Nesta
31-07-2007, 10:51
http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Calciomercato/Primo_Piano/2007/07_Luglio/31/galliani.shtml
If Pato comes, great, if not life goes on- Galliani
Kaka will not be sold for at least the next 4 years: the President has said so.
I pray that this is the case. :nervous:
Hasan Rossonero
31-07-2007, 11:01
I pray that this is the case. :nervous:
Indeed, God willing.
What's important is that we make sure Kaka is happy every year, and that management wants to keep him.
We should be thankful, however, that we have a President who can afford to turn down obscene offers from Real. Not many teams would.
We should be thankful, however, that we have a President who can afford to turn down obscene offers from Real. Not many teams would.
The only other teams I think would do the same are Chelsea & Madrid as they have endless stacks of money.
Gabriel489
31-07-2007, 11:27
Count down to August 31st starting today.
NOw 31st day till the end of transfer Window,
WHO WILL MILAN SIGN?
The Nominees are:
1. Representing U20 Brazil Nat'l team, Nick Name THE DUCK, he could be the NEXT CHOSEN ONE OR THE NEXT CHOSEN FLOP, he is
Alex Pato...
2. Nick Name the Beast, who can play any position in midfield as well as a striker,
from CHEAT MADrid, Julio Baptista aka the man who scored and now he is worth 20M.
3. He was once the future of Roma and Italy, someone who can dribble and score with an attitude. The UGLY DUCKLING, Antonio Cassano.
4. He was a 3times, 3 times FIFA player of the year, the heart and soul of Barcelona and NIKE. He also has not cut his hair for the past 4 years, he is RONALDINHO.
5. He is a Lion in disguise, the man that is 3 times African player of the year. He is fast, strong and can pass, he is Sameul Eto.
6. He plays for Barcelona since 15, he is a Brazilian who looks like an English man, he is Tiago Motta.
So who will Milan Sign, lets the countdown begins
4/6 brazilians, 3/6 from barcelona and 2 from real. let the countdown begin!
7. Jon Stead, the scourage of the English league.
:zany:
Warro Bantan
31-07-2007, 11:52
My my my....the rumor mills are certainly grinding them out re Milan today!
My money is on Pato and the Beast....and would that be all? Would our market activities cease? Or will we go for Mr X..aka Raul? :grinser:
Just kidding, but for me, of all the players that Carlo could refer to, that would create such a fuss were he to come to Milan, Raul seems the most likely (either that or Ibra, who we all know worships Ronaldo) :D
Hasan Rossonero
31-07-2007, 12:14
I think the surprise will hopefully be Canna or Zambrotta.
Please let it be so.
Count down to August 31st starting today.
NOw 31st day till the end of transfer Window,
WHO WILL MILAN SIGN?
The Nominees are:
4. He was a 3times, 3 times FIFA player of the year, the heart and soul of Barcelona and NIKE. He also has not cut his hair for the past 4 years, he is RONALDINHO.
:wth:
actually only ronaldo (aka superman) and zidane were fifa WOPY three times R10 won it twice
i wish we could sign zidane :zany: he would fit perfectly MR X 's role :devf:
:stupid: too bad hes retired
Warro Bantan
31-07-2007, 12:41
Hey did anyone notice, but all of a sudden, Alex could be available!!
here (http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2138173,00.html)
Wonder if we will move for him?
7/31/2007 5:16 PM
Baptista And Cassano To Be Included In Kaká Bid
Real Madrid are ready to throw Julio Baptista and Antonio Cassano into their record-braking bid to finally prise Kaká away from AC Milan after Bernd Schuster revealed his desire to sign the Brazilian.
zoom - galleria The long-running saga shows no sign of letting up in the Spanish media as both Marca and AS predict that los Merengues will make one final offer to tempt the Italian club's hand.
Schuster revealed that Madrid have money to spend and would be prepared to throw all their eggs into one basket if meant signing Kaká.
"A few months ago the club were after Cristiano Ronaldo, then after Kaká and offered €80m for him. This option is still there," Schuster told German television.
"We have a big suitcase full of cash, and there will definitely be a player or two to come. But it's difficult to lure top players away from their clubs,"
Milan have repeatedly rebuffed Madrid's advances and have become infuriated with the Spanish press' coverage of the story, with AS in particular coming in for some stern words.
Now the rumours have resurfaced with the Spanish giants said to be preparing a €90m offer for the Brazilian superstar, along with two players.
Baptista has been linked to Milan without the prospect of being part of a swap deal, but he could now be thrown in as an added incentive.
Cassano may not be Milan's first choice striker, but Madrid are desperate to off-load the troublesome forward and hope that his added value will bolster their bid.
The Spanish giants' supremo, Ramón Calderón, promised to sign Kaká during the presidential elections last summer and has so far failed in his attempts.
Hasan Rossonero
31-07-2007, 12:44
Milan eye Baptista loan
Tuesday 31 July, 2007
Milan Vice-President Adriano Galliani has confirmed that Julio Baptista is a loan target for the San Siro outfit.
The Real Madrid forward, who is valued at £12m, has been included on Carlo Ancelotti’s wish-list after the Rossoneri were paired with several strikers, including Andriy Shevchenko and Ronaldinho.
“The situation is very clear, if Real are willing to let him leave on a loan deal with a buy-out option we can strike a deal,” explained Galliani.
“Otherwise we will make no changes and play with Clarence Seedorf, Kaka, Ronaldo, Pippo Inzaghi and Alberto Gilardino, which isn’t bad at all,” he said at the unveiling of the Rossoneri’s new strip.
“Kaka? No Real official asked for him or included Baptista in an offer for him, they know that he cannot be bought and that we will keep him for at least four more years,” added the official.
“Where would Baptista play? I don’t like to discuss these issues, in any case he could be fielded in any one of the three forward roles.”
Galliani also commented on young Internacional striker Alexandre Pato, who could soon join the Rossoneri outfit.
“I have read that Leonardo is in Brazil to discuss this operation, but it isn’t true. Ariedo Braida will travel to Porto Alegre this evening, we will see what happens,” he added.
“In any case after so many years in the world of football I have learned that there is no reason to fret over the summer market.
“If he joins us it will only be in January, otherwise there won’t be any dramas and he will play for another club,” concluded the former Lega Calcio chief.
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i don't think there is real competition for pato. i would be surprised if we don't manage to sign him. from the teams mentioned (milan, inter, chelsea and real) only milan really needs him. all the other teams have no place for him anyway and i doubt he is stupid enough to go there.
inter: ibra, crespo, adriano, suazo, recoba, cruz
real: rvn, raul, saviola, soldado, higuain, robinho
chelsea: drogba, english student; but they will return to a 433 so they only need one real striker which means that the bench is already occupied by the english student.
why would pato go to any of these 3? i can't see this happening. of course other clubs could join the race but i assume milan should be more attractive than any mid table team, at least i hope we still are.
Hasan Rossonero
31-07-2007, 13:22
GALLIANI DESCRIBES TRANSFER MARKET
7/31/2007 4:49:00 PM
Today, Adriano Galliani in a press conference following the presentation of the new official shirt, described the transfer market situation of the Rossoneri with clarity and in detail.
Following the press conference of presentation of the new Rossoneri’s official Adidas shirt for the 2007/08 season, the Managing Director Adriano Galliani spoke about the main issues of the transfer market:
Alexandre Pato: “I read that Leonardo is in Brazil to bring the negotiations forward for Pato. This is not true, Leo in fact is just on holiday. If there will be the necessity, he will move. But now he’s there on holiday. Tonight Ariedo Braida will leave to talk to the player and we shall see what developments there will be in the negotiations. We shall see if we shall be able to do an important transfer operation. In any case I’m calm, after twenty one years of football, the time of the summer impulses is over. In these long years of experience, I learnt that often with pharaonic transfer purchases nothing was won, and instead a lot was won with the arrival of few players. Summer is a season in which the market tells you that MAYBE you can obtain results, but the real final balance of results and the reached objectives is done only in May of the following year. With all respect for Oliveira, he arrived and Shevchenko left and we won the Champions League. Why? Because this is football…Therefore if there will be the possibility, we will sign Pato, otherwise the player will be able to join other clubs who are following him. The player interests us for sure, but I repeat, there is no type of anxiety. I remind everyone that Pato is a non-EU and is not yet 18 years-old. He interests us; if he arrives it will be for the month of January."
Julio Baptista: “With regards to the situation of the Real Madrid player, in this case there is no problem to clear things out. If Real Madrid is ready to let him go on loan with an option to buy him, the negotiation will be sealed, otherwise we shall remain like we are and we shall play upfront with Seedorf, Kaka, Ronaldo, Inzaghi and Gilardino. With the directors of Real I was very clear, for the deal to go through, these are our conditions. If Real Madrid accepts this proposal, that's good, otherwise we won't do anything. We would like to make the same incoming operation which we did with the outgoing Oliveira. Kaka? No Real Madrid director has asked me anything about Kaka yet, they know that he’s unreachable and that Milan will not sell him for the next four years: President Berlusconi said so. I deny that Real asked us to also take Cassano. You ask me in what position Baptista would play? I don’t like the discussions with regards to the first, second or half forward. I only say that he would be purchased to be played in one of the three offensive roles. In fact I believe that Milan plays with the 4-3-3. You tell me that Baptista has an EU citizenship…I know about that, but it must be clear that if he should arrive, someone different from Pato should have the EU citizenship since he is our first target, and Pato in fact is a non-EU.
acmilan.com
zlatanov
31-07-2007, 13:23
why would Milan be more attractive than any midtable team ... it's not like we've won anything recently?
true, of the regular contenders for Pato's sigi, Milan is the best choice for him - for the reasons mentioned above, and not only - but that would give us advantage only if Pato and his dad are smart enough to not let an agent's greed guide his career choices.
Quite frankly, I doubt Milan would be the highest bidders in this one - we are not a club that would let some sorry ass agent blackmail us over a transfer (I am referring to those 7 mil euros, apart from the buy-out clause that are supposed to go to Veloz and Pato) - so our best bet would be to win the kid and his family over and thus beat the competition rather than outbidding them or falling for sleazy under-the-table agreements between Internacional and Veloz with the sole purpose to milk the rich European clubs for as much dough as possible above that buy-out clause of his.
That buy-out clause of ~14.5 mil euros was set before Pato cteated such noise on the market and is now probably seen as "inadequate" by Internacional and they are trying to pair up with Veloz so that more money is gotten out of this Golden Duck they've got in their hands.
My guess is that's why Leonardo went to Brazil earlier than Braida - to prep the ground, gain the favor of Pato and the family so that Milan has a strong ground for what would probably turn out to be tough negotiations with Internacional-Veloz ... while Braida would join him to officially close the deal, should one be reached.
Kaka--7thUCL
31-07-2007, 13:34
I'm fully positive about signing Pato, he's another brazilian wonder, but Quaglierella!! I want this man so badly at milan. Haven't milan shown interest in him b4? Hopefully we can get him.. I've completely given up on Ronaldinho, any new news on him? And Mr.X :S?
Warro Bantan
31-07-2007, 13:47
Bye bye Deco?
:kap:
Click here (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=448964&cc=5739)
Warro Tony, me and other people posted a lot of things about Alex, you can find it at page 509...
So if we will sign Baptista, we need one attacker because Bapt can play im midfield also and we will have a place of non-eu empty.
The long-running saga shows no sign of letting up in the Spanish media as both Marca and AS predict that Los Merengues will make one final offer to force the Italian club's hand.
Schuster revealed that Madrid have money to spend and would be prepared to throw all their eggs into one basket if meant signing Kaká.
"A few months ago the club were after Cristiano Ronaldo, then after Kaká and offered €80m for him. This option is still there," Schuster told German television.
"We have a big suitcase full of cash, and there will definitely be a player or two to come. But it's difficult to lure top players away from their clubs."
Milan have repeatedly rebuffed Madrid's advances and have become infuriated with the Spanish press' coverage of the story, with AS in particular coming in for some stern words.
Now the rumours have resurfaced with the Spanish giants said to be preparing a €55m offer for the Brazilian superstar, along with two players, according to Marca.
Baptista has been linked to Milan without the prospect of being part of a swap deal, but he could now be thrown in as an added incentive.
Cassano may not be Milan's first choice striker, but Madrid are desperate to off-load the troublesome forward and hope that his added value will bolster their bid.
The Spanish giants' supremo, Ramón Calderón, promised to sign Kaká during the presidential elections last summer and has so far failed in his attempts.
Either way, Bernd Schuster is confident Real Madrid will land him sooner or later.
"The interest is nothing new. Right from last year, Madrid have been ready to sign him. Of course, it is difficult, and we are not sure if Kaka will sign for us this year or not.
"The president and sporting director will continue to push for him, but if it is not this year then perhaps the next. But I am sure that he will play for Real Madrid."
Confident words, as Madrid launch a fresh offensive.
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Its beyond a joke them clowns are getting me angry - roll on the season so he can play in the CL which will shut them up for another year.
Julio Baptista: “With regards to the situation of the Real Madrid player, in this case there is no problem to clear things out. If Real Madrid is ready to let him go on loan with an option to buy him, the negotiation will be sealed, otherwise we shall remain like we are and we shall play upfront with Seedorf :wth: :wth: :wth: , Kaka, Ronaldo, Inzaghi and Gilardino. With the directors of Real I was very clear, for the deal to go through, these are our conditions. If Real Madrid accepts this proposal, that's good, otherwise we won't do anything. We would like to make the same incoming operation which we did with the outgoing Oliveira. Kaka? No Real Madrid director has asked me anything about Kaka yet, they know that he’s unreachable and that Milan will not sell him for the next four years: President Berlusconi said so. I deny that Real asked us to also take Cassano. You ask me in what position Baptista would play? I don’t like the discussions with regards to the first, second or half forward. I only say that he would be purchased to be played in one of the three offensive roles. In fact I believe that Milan plays with the 4-3-3. You tell me that Baptista has an EU citizenship…I know about that, but it must be clear that if he should arrive, someone different from Pato should have the EU citizenship since he is our first target, and Pato in fact is a non-EU.
acmilan.com
Seedorf in attack??? :wallbang: what next Gattuso an attacking mid :zany: This is a bit upsetting....GET ME QUARESMA NOW!! :nunu:
Dru Quaresma is a good player but it doesn't fit at Milan squad, he cant do the work of Seedorf.... so he would be a replacement of Kaka?
I also want Alves and Sheva but we have Oddo.. and the Ukrainian is not returning.
The funny thing is that 3 years ago i ordered a Milan shirt with the number of Sheva. Fortunately they forgot to put Sheva's name (they compensate me in other way) and i still can wear it.
yeah, i just noticed seedork is the next one lined up as playing upfront :) Anyway, now i agree with the game galliani plays - we need noone. And real really wanna offload some of the moneytakers. Last year we were desperate for a forward and thats why real was keeping price on ronaldo up, and milan had to settle for a high bid on oliveira. So this acting is just passing the pressure on real, they more desperate to buy than milan and they will get desperate to sell too... so, lets see.
I just hope milan knows where to draw the line, in other case we'll end up with nothing again.
Villarreal reach Rossi agreement
http://www.uefa.com/news/newsid=566245,printer.htmx
Tuesday 31 July 2007
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Villarreal CF have agreed a fee to sign Italian Under-21 international striker Giuseppe Rossi from Manchester United FC.
Fee agreed
The American-born 20-year-old spent last season on loan at Newcastle United FC and former club Parma FC, where he scored nine goals in 19 matches. Rossi failed to earn a regular place in the United starting lineup in his three campaigns at Old Trafford, making 14 first-team appearances. According to a spokesman for the English champions: "United has reached agreement with Villareal for the permanent transfer of Giuseppe Rossi for an undisclosed fee. The transfer is subject to a medical which is expected to take place in Spain tomorrow." Villarreal enter the 2007/08 UEFA Cup in the first round.
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Hasan Rossonero
31-07-2007, 14:42
The long-running saga shows no sign of letting up in the Spanish media as both Marca and AS predict that Los Merengues will make one final offer to force the Italian club's hand.
Schuster revealed that Madrid have money to spend and would be prepared to throw all their eggs into one basket if meant signing Kaká.
"A few months ago the club were after Cristiano Ronaldo, then after Kaká and offered €80m for him. This option is still there," Schuster told German television.
"We have a big suitcase full of cash, and there will definitely be a player or two to come. But it's difficult to lure top players away from their clubs."
Milan have repeatedly rebuffed Madrid's advances and have become infuriated with the Spanish press' coverage of the story, with AS in particular coming in for some stern words.
Now the rumours have resurfaced with the Spanish giants said to be preparing a €55m offer for the Brazilian superstar, along with two players, according to Marca.
Baptista has been linked to Milan without the prospect of being part of a swap deal, but he could now be thrown in as an added incentive.
Cassano may not be Milan's first choice striker, but Madrid are desperate to off-load the troublesome forward and hope that his added value will bolster their bid.
The Spanish giants' supremo, Ramón Calderón, promised to sign Kaká during the presidential elections last summer and has so far failed in his attempts.
Either way, Bernd Schuster is confident Real Madrid will land him sooner or later.
"The interest is nothing new. Right from last year, Madrid have been ready to sign him. Of course, it is difficult, and we are not sure if Kaka will sign for us this year or not.
"The president and sporting director will continue to push for him, but if it is not this year then perhaps the next. But I am sure that he will play for Real Madrid."
Confident words, as Madrid launch a fresh offensive.
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Its beyond a joke them clowns are getting me angry - roll on the season so he can play in the CL which will shut them up for another year.
Presumably this is from goal.com (the english version). They get their news 3 days late it seems (at least the english version).
The long-running saga shows no sign of letting up in the Spanish media as both Marca and AS predict that Los Merengues will make one final offer to force the Italian club's hand.
Schuster revealed that Madrid have money to spend and would be prepared to throw all their eggs into one basket if meant signing Kaká.
"A few months ago the club were after Cristiano Ronaldo, then after Kaká and offered €80m for him. This option is still there," Schuster told German television.
"We have a big suitcase full of cash, and there will definitely be a player or two to come. But it's difficult to lure top players away from their clubs."
Milan have repeatedly rebuffed Madrid's advances and have become infuriated with the Spanish press' coverage of the story, with AS in particular coming in for some stern words.
Now the rumours have resurfaced with the Spanish giants said to be preparing a €55m offer for the Brazilian superstar, along with two players, according to Marca.
Baptista has been linked to Milan without the prospect of being part of a swap deal, but he could now be thrown in as an added incentive.
Cassano may not be Milan's first choice striker, but Madrid are desperate to off-load the troublesome forward and hope that his added value will bolster their bid.
The Spanish giants' supremo, Ramón Calderón, promised to sign Kaká during the presidential elections last summer and has so far failed in his attempts.
Either way, Bernd Schuster is confident Real Madrid will land him sooner or later.
"The interest is nothing new. Right from last year, Madrid have been ready to sign him. Of course, it is difficult, and we are not sure if Kaka will sign for us this year or not.
"The president and sporting director will continue to push for him, but if it is not this year then perhaps the next. But I am sure that he will play for Real Madrid."
Confident words, as Madrid launch a fresh offensive.
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Its beyond a joke them clowns are getting me angry - roll on the season so he can play in the CL which will shut them up for another year.
Schuster is an arrogant swine.
55m€ + Cassano and Bappi => dream on. :grinser:
They can have Simic for that offer.
Damnit, Rossi. :'(
A player who would have done really well in Milan.. :mad: :mad: :mad:
remote2book
31-07-2007, 14:44
i thought rossi would have been good fit with us.....maybe gila ...kaka...bonera...would have had sum company iam pretty sure they are tired of listening to grandpa seedorf and cafus 1950's stories
You forgot to say: 'bye bye rossi :kap: ' :D
remote2book
31-07-2007, 14:58
oo dats right...well iguess u already did the honor
Warro Bantan
31-07-2007, 14:59
Seedorf in attack??? :wallbang:
Ok dru...lets see:
1. Seedorf wears the #10 shirt, which traditionally indicates an attacking midfielder, or deep lying forward, depending on the interpretation.
2. Seedorf played behind Kaka and a striker for the most part of last season, in a role he prefers, and I think we saw the positive results of that, especially vs Bayern in the UCL qtr finals....an obstacle to overcome if we were to win the UCL title..so hardly an unimportant contribution to our 7th UCL title..to only give one instance
3. Did u see the assists by Clarence all season gone...can anyone dig up how many assists he did overall last term?
4. Did u see the assists by Clarence vs Lecco? Admittedly not first rate opposition, but clearly an example of what he likes to do...and does well IMO.
So, having said all that, why can you not get around him being an attacking player? Certainly he isnt a striker, but for all intents and purposes, one of the better #10s still playing at the moment.
I find the constant critique here of Clarence, one of the few players in history to win the UCL 4 times, to be a bit disingenius, and "scapegoat-seeking" in the extreme. :bri:
He was invaluable to us for all our accomplishments last term, scoring clutch goals in both UCL and Serie A.
He deserves more respect.
zlatanov
31-07-2007, 15:07
Ok dru...lets see:
1. Seedorf wears the #10 shirt, which traditionally indicates an attacking midfielder, or deep lying forward, depending on the interpretation.
2. Seedorf played behind Kaka and a striker for the most part of last season, in a role he prefers, and I think we saw the positive results of that, especially vs Bayern in the UCL qtr finals....an obstacle to overcome if we were to win the UCL title..so hardly an unimportant contribution to our 7th UCL title..to only give one instance
3. Did u see the assists by Clarence all season gone...can anyone dig up how many assists he did overall last term?
4. Did u see the assists by Clarence vs Lecco? Admittedly not first rate opposition, but clearly an example of what he likes to do...and does well IMO.
So, having said all that, why can you not get around him being an attacking player? Certainly he isnt a striker, but for all intents and purposes, one of the better #10s still playing at the moment.
I find the constant critique here of Clarence, one of the few players in history to win the UCL 4 times, to be a bit disingenius, and "scapegoat-seeking" in the extreme. :bri:
He was invaluable to us for all our accomplishments last term, scoring clutch goals in both UCL and Serie A.
He deserves more respect.
on dru's behalf, I think it's time I dropped the 'Ba' wildcard, which always does the trick in such situations:
"Instead of counting Seedorf as a forward, Galliani should have signed someone other than Ba."
:grinser:
Graeme C
31-07-2007, 15:09
i didnt see the rossi to villareal move comming. £6.5 mill? that it? shocking really milan didnt make a move. Oliviera trade next season maybe?
Warro Bantan
31-07-2007, 15:12
Graeme, in our (ie managements) defense, why buy Rossi when we are going so hard after Pato?
Dru Quaresma is a good player but it doesn't fit at Milan squad, he cant do the work of Seedorf.... so he would be a replacement of Kaka?
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i see you have eaten warro and zlat's propaganda wholesale. Excuse me for thinking that we can actually improve
on dru's behalf, I think it's time I dropped the 'Ba' wildcard, which always does the trick in such situations:
"Instead of counting Seedorf as a forward, Galliani should have signed someone other than Ba."
it would be more like...
"Ba can play in any position as long as he's not playing. So to increase our attacking force, we could use Ba as an attacker."
Warro i'm one of clarence's biggest fans here. You're missing the point (intentionally i suspect) the context of the discussion is a new striker. Those words imply that Seedorf IS a forward of some sort. Last time he spoke of a striker he mentioned kaka. Now that is augmented by his most recent inclusion
letting giuseppe rossi move to villareal was a big mistake by the milan administration. milan should have invested on this youngster. definitely he will be the best italian player in three years time. what a shame!!!
Pato at 17 is a better player than Rossi at 20. I've seen them both play on at least 5 matches and Pato is better in every single aspect, except for the more powerful shot Rossi has.
And i expect Pato to develop a lot in next 5 years, especially if he goes to Milan. As for Rossi ( i know a Milanista who really loves him and will kill me when he'll see what i'm saying) , i don't expect him to become a big player and my prediction is that he won't become much better than he is now.
If the choice was Pato or Rossi then Milan did fantastic job when they chose to give it all to get the young Brasilian
Pato at 17 is a better player than Rossi at 20. I've seen them both play on at least 5 matches and Pato is better in every single aspect, except for the more powerful shot Rossi has.
And i expect Pato to develop a lot in next 5 years, especially if he goes to Milan. As for Rossi ( i know a Milanista who really loves him and will kill me when he'll see what i'm saying) , i don't expect him to become a big player and my prediction is that he won't become much better than he is now.
If the choice was Pato or Rossi then Milan did fantastic job when they chose to give it all to get the young Brasilian
we arent sure that we are going to sign Pato. anyhow i would have signed them both. definitely not Baptista, not even for one penny!
Pato at 17 is a better player than Rossi at 20. I've seen them both play on at least 5 matches and Pato is better in every single aspect, except for the more powerful shot Rossi has.
And i expect Pato to develop a lot in next 5 years, especially if he goes to Milan. As for Rossi ( i know a Milanista who really loves him and will kill me when he'll see what i'm saying) , i don't expect him to become a big player and my prediction is that he won't become much better than he is now.
If the choice was Pato or Rossi then Milan did fantastic job when they chose to give it all to get the young Brasilian
me thinks the same.
Forza Milan, Forza FC Sarajevo :pp20:
Warro Bantan
31-07-2007, 16:13
Warro i'm one of clarence's biggest fans here. You're missing the point (intentionally i suspect) the context of the discussion is a new striker. Those words imply that Seedorf IS a forward of some sort. Last time he spoke of a striker he mentioned kaka. Now that is augmented by his most recent inclusion
I stand corrected, if this was indeed the case...but my argumentative side seeks to pose this in response:
Its a bit of semantics if u ask me...we tend to play with one striker against stronger teams, and in this set up, Clarence is certainly an attacking player...aka a forward.
Now, when we revert to a two striker system, Clarence adopts a midfield role, with Kaka in the hole behind the strikers...or I believe we tend to play a more flexible formation, which sees both of them alternating in the "hole".
If we are to believe the transfer mkt speculation, we are signing another striker in Pato, an all purpose player in Baptista, and a possible Mr X, who is apparently yet another attacker...or not.
Bottom line: We are getting a striker, maybe in January, and his name is Pato...Galliani´s comments shouldnt be examined in minute detail, and then taken out of context....thats all I really wanted to say, but its a slow news/work day :D
zlatanov
31-07-2007, 16:15
Pato at 17 is a better player than Rossi at 20. I've seen them both play on at least 5 matches and Pato is better in every single aspect, except for the more powerful shot Rossi has.
And i expect Pato to develop a lot in next 5 years, especially if he goes to Milan. As for Rossi ( i know a Milanista who really loves him and will kill me when he'll see what i'm saying) , i don't expect him to become a big player and my prediction is that he won't become much better than he is now.
If the choice was Pato or Rossi then Milan did fantastic job when they chose to give it all to get the young Brasilian
you should tell that Milanista to watch some more football and not go with the flow and you will be safe :)
some friendly games updates:
with Real's super display of one-touch football in their game vs Hannover 96 (3-0 for the Germans around the 82nd min of the game but could have been 4,5 and more), it's expected that two things will happen by the start of La Liga season:
1) Real will have a new coach ... and his name name will not be Schuster (unless of course he doesn't repeat "Kaka will play for Real" another 10 times at least.
and/or
2) Real will spend another 100 mil euros on new players - 35 mil for the permanently injured Robben, 35 mil for the 31 yo Ballack, and 30 for one of Makelele or Giannicheda - and the fans will be reasured once again of Calderon's sanity.
With Chelski about to win their game vs Brondby (2-0 by the 85th min), it is obvious that Mourinho has kept his word of playing a 4-3-3 formation in a bid to bring beautiful football back to the Bridge.
And the results were there to see - this time around, unlike in other games of the Blues, not all fans on the stadium were napping come the 50th minute of the game.
In fact, Chelsea TV showed footage of two Brondby fans caught on camera in the middle of a heated argument over a poker game.
+i'm bragging again :D
RC GENK - FC SARAJEVO 1-2
This is an INCREDIBLE result for my team, as Genk's players salaries are AT LEAST 15 times high as Sarajevo's players !!!! I'M SOOOOOOOOO HAPPYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Lol Zlat, don't put so much attention to the friendlies. They never give the true picture. Actually, most of the times they give completely wrong picture.
Last year Liverpool was crushed by Mainz ( i don't remember the correct score but it was smthg like 5:0 for the Germans) and at the end Liverpool played in CL final while Mainz was relegated.
Inter were always pre-season best team in the world when they were winning all the friendlies for fun. During the season, when it counted, they choked. Last year it was the opposite for them - lost the pre-season friendlies, dominated in Italy.
+i'm bragging again :D
RC GENK - FC SARAJEVO 1-2
This is an INCREDIBLE result for my team, as Genk's players salaries are AT LEAST 15 times high as Sarajevo's players !!!! I'M SOOOOOOOOO HAPPYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
I am also very happy for Sarajevo :)
In the other thread i said how i really like this team and i like what i've seen from them in the first round.
But i'm even more happy that i didn't put a single penny on Genk to win....unlike all of my fellow bettors who were sure that a poor Balkan team has no chances against a much reacher Western European team.
Forza Sarajevoooooo (and forza BiH in the ECQ) :devf:
European Cups - Champions League (qual.)
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Kaka--7thUCL
31-07-2007, 16:52
With seedorfs current form it will be hard indeed to find a replacement for him...
I stand corrected, if this was indeed the case...but my argumentative side seeks to pose this in response:
Its a bit of semantics if u ask me...we tend to play with one striker against stronger teams, and in this set up, Clarence is certainly an attacking player...aka a forward.
Now, when we revert to a two striker system, Clarence adopts a midfield role, with Kaka in the hole behind the strikers...or I believe we tend to play a more flexible formation, which sees both of them alternating in the "hole".
If we are to believe the transfer mkt speculation, we are signing another striker in Pato, an all purpose player in Baptista, and a possible Mr X, who is apparently yet another attacker...or not.
Bottom line: We are getting a striker, maybe in January, and his name is Pato...Galliani´s comments shouldnt be examined in minute detail, and then taken out of context....thats all I really wanted to say, but its a slow news/work day :D
No offense bro but that is a ludicrous rationalization....in that case Pirlo is a forward too?? I guess with Pirlo Seedorf Kaka R99 Gila AND Pippo we have SIX forwards :eekani: ...hmm I guess we should think about selling some instead :d55: ..... it's not semantics it's deception :wallbang: .... what about if I said that Zidane/ Riqelme is a forward.....I'm sure many would look at me scornfully and rightly so.
Bottom line: YOU say that we're getting a striker but tbh management doesn't look that keen/ convincing...
I'm with you. I want to start learning Italiano.
Done! Jim, You and I will learn italian. Other who speak now italian can evaluate our italian next year in summer. deal? So we dont need those 'language tools' or wait the news in channelate4.com/sport/football_italia :grinser:
I am serious. It's like 'embarassing' to read channel4 after reading summer mercato's topic! :bri:
By end of the week we will have signed Villa
I am also very happy for Sarajevo :)
In the other thread i said how i really like this team and i like what i've seen from them in the first round.
But i'm even more happy that i didn't put a single penny on Genk to win....unlike all of my fellow bettors who were sure that a poor Balkan team has no chances against a much reacher Western European team.
Forza Sarajevoooooo (and forza BiH in the ECQ) :devf:
thank you tony :p017: Betting stores/bet shops (jel se tako nekako kaze kladionice?) had 1,40:1 on Genk and 5,70:1 on Sarajevo ! Boy someone won good money tonight :grinser:
could you post a link to that thread? This one is the only one i follow regulary on MM :)
EDIT: Found it :)
Warro Bantan
31-07-2007, 17:29
what about if I said that Zidane/ Riqelme is a forward.....I'm sure many would look at me scornfully and rightly so.
Bottom line: YOU say that we're getting a striker but tbh management doesn't look that keen/ convincing... Both play as AMs...which, based on the formation the team is playing overall, they can be considered a forward...
Now, maybe we need to define some of the terminology so as to set things straight:
What do u call a player whose positioning sees him playing in the space between the centre circle of the opposition half, and the baby (ie 6 yd)box? Could this player be considered a forward, especially when he is not asked to drop back and defend?
Kaka played as a "second striker" or a forward, yet he is acknowledged as an AM for the most part...so could Zidane or Riquelme, if there is a single striker whom they play behind, and in support of...If there is to be anyscorn, u wont get it from me, if u consider them a forward, all things being equal...
Pirlo however, cannot be considered a forward...he plays in front of the back four!...is rarely in the opposition half, and if he is, he is either taking a set piece, or is just above the centre circle...no where near the box usually.
A "striker" on the other hand, is for me, a player who plays in the box, or on the periphery (depending again on formation) whose main purpose is to either:
a) score, and/or
b) hold up the ball for other attacking "forwards or midfielders) to continue the attack.
Is this all as clear as mud now?
Oh and finally Braida going to Brazil to sign the player (Pato) for January isnt convincing? U r certainly hard to please dru! :str:
Quaresma? Milan dont need such player like that. If Milan really need a winger, why Milan chase a overrated (IMO) player like him? He and Simao is just overrated, IMO. If I am not mistaken, Quaresma is a pure winger which means he could not fit the position of midfielders' or attacking miedfielders' in our normal formation (4-3-1-2 or 4-3-2-1). Yes, Milan used in some occasions 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1 formation but how many times? His price is not far from Simao, which for me, is too much. I read in newspaper that Atletico paid the buy-out clause around 25 mil euro (an exchange of 2 players from Atletico plus amount of money to match the buy-out clause).
So, I won't loose so much money for an almost-unuseful player like Quaresma.
Kaka1899
31-07-2007, 17:58
By end of the week we will have signed Villa
fact or opinion?
Graeme C
31-07-2007, 18:02
By end of the week we will have signed Villa
bit optimistic my friend :grinser:
I get your points warro. However i tend to stick to whatever the little graphic says about the player :D Were you not speaking about seedorf 'doing more' than Quaresma? I assumed you were talking about defending. If that is the case, you have effectively shot your own theory. I hope you don't report to trying to convince me otherwise...because if does a lot of defence.
Kaka--7thUCL
31-07-2007, 18:31
By end of the week we will have signed Villa
Are you serious ? :zany:
hey, where's the problem?
attack - r99, gila, pippo, willy, seedorf, kaka
midfield - seedorf, gattuso, kaka, ambro, brocchi, gourcuff, pirlo
defence - serginho, ambro, pirlo, nesta, maldini, gattuso, oddo, bonera, kaladze, ba...
we have a top class player for every position and his backup! It really is hard to find a player that would improve this squad, now that etoo and dinho are not available :D
(its so slooow i have nothing better to do)
Milanfan_101
31-07-2007, 19:36
hey, where's the problem?
attack - r99, gila, pippo, willy, seedorf, kaka
midfield - seedorf, gattuso, kaka, ambro, brocchi, gourcuff, pirlo
defence - serginho, ambro, pirlo, nesta, maldini, gattuso, oddo, bonera, kaladze, ba...
we have a top class player for every position and his backup! It really is hard to find a player that would improve this squad, now that etoo and dinho are not available :D
(its so slooow i have nothing better to do)
I got a couple of problems about this and I'll tell you why. Why are you putting Kaka and Seedorf in attack. does this mean they are forwards as well as midfielders?? Pirlo in defemce?? I think the overall concept of your idea is great but it just needs some tweeking :)
Kaka--7thUCL
31-07-2007, 21:22
Meh. TBH all this stuff about dinho and etoo not being available don't really concern me, I know in the end either one of the two or Deco will be landed at milan.
Russo-Neri
31-07-2007, 22:18
hey, where's the problem?
attack - r99, gila, pippo, willy, seedorf, kaka
midfield - seedorf, gattuso, kaka, ambro, brocchi, gourcuff, pirlo
defence - serginho, ambro, pirlo, nesta, maldini, gattuso, oddo, bonera, kaladze, ba...
we have a top class player for every position and his backup! It really is hard to find a player that would improve this squad, now that etoo and dinho are not available :D
(its so slooow i have nothing better to do)
You're right we should start selling players - we have too many. :grinser:
Ok, according to your depth chart if Seedorf were to godforbid get injured, we would be losing a forward AND a midfielder at the same time. If we lost Gattuso and Pirlo to injury at the same time, we'd be out a total of 4 positions. See my point???
hey, where's the problem?
attack - r99, gila, pippo, willy, seedorf :wth: , kaka
midfield - seedorf :eekani: , gattuso, kaka, ambro, brocchi, gourcuff, pirlo
defence - serginho, ambro, pirlo, nesta, maldini, gattuso, oddo, bonera, kaladze, ba...
we have a top class player for every position and his backup! It really is hard to find a player that would improve this squad, now that etoo and dinho are not available :D
(its so slooow i have nothing better to do)
Great!! all we have to do to improve our squad is give players a different job description.....sort of like when your boss gives you an additional role without the pay :wallbang:
Sorry about my vague posts this evening.....I was posting from my cellphone :irritate:
Let me state what I have understood the roles of the players in question :
Kaka an attacking midfielder...his job is to operate from the latter quarter of the field.....he can take a couple (thousand :zany: ) shots if he likes from a reasonable distance and is heavily involved in play at the top of the box....he was used as a striker this year because Gila played a lot of something that rhymes with 'spit' :grinser:
Seedorf is a right midfielder whose role is to keep the ball moving towards the opponents from the centre of the park....his shoting allowance should be even less than Kaka but also plays a significant role up to the 18 yard box
Pirlo is supposed to be a "deep lying playmaker" meaning that he is not a typical defensive midfielder like Gattuso or makalele...he has a fair deal of tackling and interception (which he is far better at) to do and looks for opportunities to send pinpoint passes (at varied distances) straight to Kaka or the strikers
atreides602
01-08-2007, 01:47
Back from hollyday, no big name siggned yet, hmm,i just have one question: what about the new contract offer for Kaka, with 1 year longer term than before, i mean that Berlu says he will stay in Milan next 4 years, that means no new contract ???
Kaka--7thUCL
01-08-2007, 02:42
I wonder who milan is going to sign. It's killing me. Btw, Ronaldo is looking in good shape, great goal scored here, check this match out, great game played by seedorf, hence why i said he'd be hard to replace, we need some1 attack minded to replace him though, thats for sure..
Lecco 0 vs 4 Milan-- http://youtube.com/watch?v=zWuECS4333E
It was really a splendid match, even against a team like Lecco, we look in an unbeatable form, I think exactly what were missing in attack is someone with Ronaldo to get balls in the back of the net, hence, lets get pato, we should forget about ronaldinho, and buy a LF to play alongside ronaldo with kaka being the support striker behind them, unstoppable , but we need a dm and a few defenders , maybe even a goalie if its possible.. Another thing I'd like to add is, we must keep Kaka' at all cost! he's going to be AMAZIIIINGGG next year if you actually saw the entire match of lecco-milan his skill with the ball has improved, unless it was just the inexperience of lecco defense.. :w221:
rosoneri_11
01-08-2007, 03:30
From: http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/jul31m.html
Manchester United have sold Italian Under-21 international starlet Giuseppe Rossi to Villarreal for a reported £6.7m.
Bye, bye Rossi! :kap:
rossoner03
01-08-2007, 05:01
After 11 august , when barcelona get home from Asia tour , i have the feeling that someone will join Milan....but it's just a feeling
Dammit, i can't believe i missed a whole conversation about Seedorf :groan:
I also don't see why people think Quaresma couldn't be used in a 'free role' in a christmas tree formation. It would be no different from using Serginho in the same attacking role (off of a forward/behind a forward).
Gabriel489
01-08-2007, 06:25
Another slow day.
I am really looking forward for the end of Barcelona's tour.
WIll Motta and one of Dinho/Eto join Milan, or will Zambrotta declares he wants to play for Milan
Kaka1899
01-08-2007, 07:11
Danny Alves is wanting away from Spain maybe we should go now for him.
rosoneri_11
01-08-2007, 07:14
Danny Alves is wanting away from Spain maybe we should go now for him.
Yes he wants to go, thats truth. But his president said that he can leave him go if a team make an offer or 30m. euros.
Kaka1899
01-08-2007, 07:17
Yes he wants to go, thats truth. But his president said that he can leave him go if a team make an offer or 30m. euros.
yeah thats not much am sure we could bring the price down a bit.
Think Alves has a Non-EU passport, so that wud rule out Pato for this season.
If he got a passport, Milan could sign him, allow Cafu to return to Brazil as he wanted the other season.
MiamiMilanista
01-08-2007, 07:56
*********Need Help!!**********
I know this doesnt belong in this forum, but this one has the most posts so I will try. I will be in Italy from December 22nd thru January 3rd this year. With the new fixtures out, this will include Milan's game against Inter on the 23rd of '07. Is there a way to get tickets for this at the game or do I need to get them before? Someone let me know, much appreciated!
Bosniaco
01-08-2007, 08:02
Well Bojinov is going to sing with Man city, I always wanted to see this player at Milan.
IMO Alves could be an extra addition to us! I think Milan can get him with a price tag nearly 22-26 mil euros!
Hasan Rossonero
01-08-2007, 08:06
*********Need Help!!**********
I know this doesnt belong in this forum, but this one has the most posts so I will try. I will be in Italy from December 22nd thru January 3rd this year. With the new fixtures out, this will include Milan's game against Inter on the 23rd of '07. Is there a way to get tickets for this at the game or do I need to get them before? Someone let me know, much appreciated!
http://www.acmilan.com/InfoPage.aspx?id=41935
MiamiMilanista
01-08-2007, 08:13
http://www.acmilan.com/InfoPage.aspx?id=41935
Thank you sir!
MiamiMilanista
01-08-2007, 08:19
http://www.acmilan.com/InfoPage.aspx?id=41935
I just realized this is an Inter home game, would i have to go through their site?
*********Need Help!!**********
I know this doesnt belong in this forum, but this one has the most posts so I will try. I will be in Italy from December 22nd thru January 3rd this year. With the new fixtures out, this will include Milan's game against Inter on the 23rd of '07. Is there a way to get tickets for this at the game or do I need to get them before? Someone let me know, much appreciated!
Try but tickets the minute you get there. may be sold out, but you might get lucky.
Stupid question from someone who's not really familiar with Danny Alves' genous :ashamed:
What do people see in Alves that is so special ?
He is a typical midfielder, right winger, who was given the RB position. Attacking wise he's so much superior when you compare him to the right backs, because he can cross, shot, dribble....but then, many right wingers/midfielders can do the same thing.
Now look at him as a RB only who needs to do defense. Is he really good here ? Is he any good here ?
Dunno, but if i put Camoranesi to be RB i think i'll be gettin' the same thing.
If i play against an opponent that has a fast left winger, like CR7 or Robben, i really wouldn't like to have Danny Alves as my right back.
That's why i see his price tag ( 30m, even 20m) as unrealistic.
If i need a midfielder i think i could find a better one than Alves. If i need a RB i can find many better defenders than Danny Alves.
It's only me but i'd rather have Zambrotta as my RB and Camoranesi as my RM than Alves to do both jobs.
Now, tear me to pieces with your replies :)
Hasan Rossonero
01-08-2007, 08:26
Pato sets decision day
Wednesday 1 August, 2007
Highly-rated Brazilian striking starlet Alexandre Pato has set an August 15 deadline to decide whether he will join Milan or Real Madrid.
The 17-year-old, nicknamed ‘The Duck’, has been tracked by a host of top European sides including Chelsea, Liverpool and Inter, but is now ready to join either the Rossoneri or the Merengues.
Internacional of Porto Alegre have reportedly demanded £15m for the youngster’s signature, but his rescission clause is set at just £9m.
“My dad is on his way back from a tour of Italy and Spain where he got to know the set-up at Milan and Real,” Pato told website globoesporte.com.
“Pato will decide in the next few days,” his father confirmed. “Things surely can’t continue in this unsure manner so we have to decide one way and end this saga.
“We will resolve this before August 15 once and for all as there is no point in renewing his contract at Internacional.”
Pato will only leave the newly-promoted Colorado when the Brazilian Serie A season ends in December.
--
channel4
zlatanov
01-08-2007, 08:26
*********Need Help!!**********
I know this doesnt belong in this forum, but this one has the most posts so I will try. I will be in Italy from December 22nd thru January 3rd this year. With the new fixtures out, this will include Milan's game against Inter on the 23rd of '07. Is there a way to get tickets for this at the game or do I need to get them before? Someone let me know, much appreciated!
you might also wanna take a look at this thread, at least the more recent posts in it.
but keep in mind that tickets will most likley be sold out days before the day of the game.
I just realized this is an Inter home game, would i have to go through their site?
no, but that means that the tickets available to Milan fans thru the website would be few and that would make it even more difficult to get one.
I am not sure when tickets for that game would go on sale on the website but I think that would happen several weeks before the game itself and they would go quickly.
Stupid question from someone who's not really familiar with Danny Alves' genous :ashamed:
What do people see in Alves that is so special ?
He is a typical midfielder, right winger, who was given the RB position. Attacking wise he's so much superior when you compare him to the right backs, because he can cross, shot, dribble....but then, many right wingers/midfielders can do the same thing.
Now look at him as a RB only who needs to do defense. Is he really good here ? Is he any good here ?
Dunno, but if i put Camoranesi to be RB i think i'll be gettin' the same thing.
If i play against an opponent that has a fast left winger, like CR7 or Robben, i really wouldn't like to have Danny Alves as my right back.
That's why i see his price tag ( 30m, even 20m) as unrealistic.
If i need a midfielder i think i could find a better one than Alves. If i need a RB i can find many better defenders than Danny Alves.
It's only me but i'd rather have Zambrotta as my RB and Camoranesi as my RM than Alves to do both jobs.
Now, tear me to pieces with your replies :)
Stamina wise he's fantastic. He dominated a player who basically stays in his position all game, and was astounding. That player was R10, in last season's Super Cup. Don't think Robben or CR7 would give him same problems, especialy if G8 is around. That's Gattuso by the way.
Kaka1899
01-08-2007, 09:11
about Pato i get feeling he will choose us over Real Madrid due to the amount of Brazilians we have at Milan as well as the family atmosphere. anybody else agree?
about Pato i get feeling he will choose us over Real Madrid due to the amount of Brazilians we have at Milan as well as the family atmosphere. anybody else agree?
Yes and also due to the fact that he prefers Milan personally.
Lets just hope Real haven't offered him extraordinary high wages.
Stamina wise he's fantastic. He dominated a player who basically stays in his position all game, and was astounding. That player was R10, in last season's Super Cup. Don't think Robben or CR7 would give him same problems, especially if G8 is around. That's Gattuso by the way.
I didn't watch him a lot Tony and that's why i may be wrong. All i've seen from him were the Coppa America games where he wasn't playing as a RB and maximum 3 Sevilla matches where, although Alves did very good in attack, Sevilla's part of the field, the right part, was always empty because Alves was always going forward.
I've never even seen him defend, that's why i may have wrong opinion about him as a defender.
He's like Gattuso, with great technique, playing at rb.
Kaka1899
01-08-2007, 09:23
Yes and also due to the fact that he prefers Milan personally.
Lets just hope Real haven't offered him extraordinary high wages.
i dont know if works now in this case but could the tax affect the amount of money for his wages or does madrid have any advantage
Gabriel489
01-08-2007, 09:24
I used to like ALves, b/c he used to belive it or not, actually defend. But as he gets more hype, he tends to attack more, mainly b/c u get a more money that way(IMO).
So here he is now, someone who just attk, attk and attk. To be honest, I said it here before or in another thread, he is another Contra, period. All this Cinciho, Mancini and Alves as the next Cafu, well, first learn how to defend then u can say u are the heir of Cafu.
As for Pato. I think he's just got to look at how Marcelo is doing in false, how Gago, Higuain.... all falied, and how many strikers he has to compete with. Then in Milan, there is Kaka, R9, Cafu, Serginho, Diago, Dida, Leo all to converse with, and learn the lingue bella di Milan, (and maybe Baptista too), and Alves,.....
zlatanov
01-08-2007, 09:38
I didn't watch him a lot Tony and that's why i may be wrong. All i've seen from him were the Coppa America games where he wasn't playing as a RB and maximum 3 Sevilla matches where, although Alves did very good in attack, Sevilla's part of the field, the right part, was always empty because Alves was always going forward.
I've never even seen him defend, that's why i may have wrong opinion about him as a defender.
others have raised the same concerns about his defending but I think this is more of an issue, if you call it that, with Ramos' tactics (Sevilla's coach) rather than lack of tactical awareness by ALves as he is used as an extra attacking weapon over there and his official RB position is a little deceiving ... this has been the case especially since they got Gattuso's best buddy - Christian Poulsen - who plays a holding mid for them but his stamina allows him to cover CD (in case the CD is drawn to the right to cover for Alves) and even RB when Alves has gone forward.
Before Poulsen's arrival, I believe Alves was much more of a RB although he was still going forward but not as much.
Of course, to reach Milan and Italian standrads in defending, he has a lot left to learn but he is 23 yo or so and this is pretty much true for any young RB who hasn't played in Italy (including Cafu when he was making his debut for Roma).
As a defender, however, I think he is very, very good with the only real shortcoming that I see in him is his height. Other than that, he is a very tenacious player - a lot like Gattuso - and if the coach asks him to eliminate someone off the field, I wouldn't waste time trying to find out if R10, CR7 or whoever, is even playing :D
Also, ALves has that "dirty" side in his tackling and is surprisingly tough to deal with for a player that short and not very strong physically, at least that's how he looks.
I think ALves would be perfect for a defense comprised of two strong CDs and a defense-minded LB (like Maldini and Kaladze have been for us) which would allow Alves more freedom in going forward - very much like Cafu was for Milan in 2005 when Milan'sdefense was Cafu, Nesta, Stam/Kakha, Maldini.
If serginho or Janku are played at LB, however, a more defensive RB would be needed, like Oddo, for instance (or Stam as he played in a number of games for Milan).
I used to like ALves, b/c he used to belive it or not, actually defend. But as he gets more hype, he tends to attack more, mainly b/c u get a more money that way(IMO).
So here he is now, someone who just attk, attk and attk. To be honest, I said it here before or in another thread, he is another Contra, period. All this Cinciho, Mancini and Alves as the next Cafu, well, first learn how to defend then u can say u are the heir of Cafu.
I think he attacks more because Sevilla's tactics have changed and he is asked to attack more.
In Cicinho's case, the guy attacks becuase he lacks even elementary tactical awareness, Alves is a much more disciplined player and he has shown that many times before Poulsen's arrival at Sevilla, which I think is the reason for Alves' more adventurous role on the field and not Alves growing stature of a star.
Pato will choose Milan, his father will choose Madrid
Pato will choose Milan, his father will choose Madrid
Better pray his father is nothing close to my father
It was impossible to say no to that man !
:)
Pato will choose Milan, his father will choose Madrid
Fine by me. False can have his father. We'll take Pato. :grinser:
Hasan Rossonero
01-08-2007, 11:17
Nesta said that Barzagli is a player he likes and considers very strong.
acmilan.com
Does anyone else think our "unsuspected" player can be a defender. I still believe in Zambrotta or Cannavaro. :nervous:
Nesta said that Barzagli is a player he likes and considers very strong.
acmilan.com
Does anyone else think our "unsuspected" player can be a defender. I still believe in Zambrotta or Cannavaro. :nervous:
There was never a talk about a defender this summer because most of the time your board was concentrated on a forward.
But it doesn't mean that they don't intend to bring one defender.
You have far too many defenders though and you'll have to get rid of few in order to bring another one.
If you bring a very good DC that means that one of Kaladze-Bonera will have to spend a lot of time on the bench, because 4 other DC's will have an advantage over him.
Bringing a new DC depends mostly on the plans Milan has with Bonera, imo. Bonera is not a kid anymore and if Milan has big plans with him the time to put him in starting XI is now, when he is 26.
Cannavaro is such a short-term solution for such a sensitive spot in the team. If Milan buy Canna now you'll easily find yourselves in a very tough position after 2 years when both Maldini and Cannavaro will be retired and Nesta will be 33, with a big fitness question mark because of this last injury prone season.
If Milan buys a CD it will be a long-term classy solution like Alex.
Imo, i think you'll give the chance to Bonera and you won't buy a CD
As for Zambro. I still believe he is very much needed in Barcelona but i'm also still sure that if Milan wants him Barcelona will gladly sell.
So, it all depends if Milan are interested or not. And are you interested, i have absolutely no idea :)
Hasan Rossonero
01-08-2007, 11:42
There was never a talk about a defender this summer because most of the time your board was concentrated on a forward.
But it doesn't mean that they don't intend to bring one defender.
You have far too many defenders though and you'll have to get rid of few in order to bring another one.
If you bring a very good DC that means that one of Kaladze-Bonera will have to spend a lot of time on the bench, because 4 other DC's will have an advantage over him.
Bringing a new DC depends mostly on the plans Milan has with Bonera, imo. Bonera is not a kid anymore and if Milan has big plans with him the time to put him in starting XI is now, when he is 26.
Cannavaro is such a short-term solution for such a sensitive spot in the team. If Milan buy Canna now you'll easily find yourselves in a very tough position after 2 years when both Maldini and Cannavaro will be retired and Nesta will be 33, with a big fitness question mark because of this last injury prone season.
If Milan buys a CD it will be a long-term classy solution like Alex.
Imo, i think you'll give the chance to Bonera and you won't buy a CD
As for Zambro. I still believe he is very much needed in Barcelona but i'm also still sure that if Milan wants him Barcelona will gladly sell.
So, it all depends if Milan are interested or not. And are you interested, i have absolutely no idea :)
Galliani confirmed his interest last year in Zambo but because of the scandal couldn't commit. I still hope...
And Zambro today criticized Barcelona for the Asian tour. He thinks it would have been much better if they stayed in Spain and prepared for the upcoming season instead of losing a week in Asia.
You know how these big-heads in Spanish top clubs don't want when their players go public and criticize their decisions.
Maybe it means nothing...but it may very well mean something and maybe now it's the time if someone wants to buy Zambrotta from Barca ;)
Better pray his father is nothing close to my father
It was impossible to say no to that man !
:)
Then again if you think about the whole religous situation im sure Milan is a good place for that with players like Kaka who dont do stupid things.
On another note Barca are tracking Makelele - Maybe free up a space in their squad?
On another note Barca are tracking Makelele - Maybe free up a space in their squad?
Yes, Motta or Edmilson :)
Barcelona, Juve and PSG are after Makelele and he's sooo gonna end up in PSG.
hitmannq8
01-08-2007, 12:16
Nesta said that Barzagli is a player he likes and considers very strong.
acmilan.com
Does anyone else think our "unsuspected" player can be a defender. I still believe in Zambrotta or Cannavaro. :nervous:
He was probably talking about his replacement in the Italian NT..
Hasan Rossonero
01-08-2007, 12:19
He was probably talking about his replacement in the Italian NT..
No, he wasn't. I read it in Italian, and he was talking about the market in particular (for those who can understand Italian):
"Il mercato dei difensori? Per me Barzagli è un grande giocatore, non dico che deve venire al Milan sia chiaro, ma per me è molto forte."
Hasan Rossonero
01-08-2007, 12:29
And Zambro today criticized Barcelona for the Asian tour. He thinks it would have been much better if they stayed in Spain and prepared for the upcoming season instead of losing a week in Asia.
You know how these big-heads in Spanish top clubs don't want when their players go public and criticize their decisions.
Maybe it means nothing...but it may very well mean something and maybe now it's the time if someone wants to buy Zambrotta from Barca ;)
Where did you read the criticism of the Asian tour?
Where did you read the criticism of the Asian tour?
Kakà Zambrotta '90 mln una cosa da pazzi'
16:30 del 01 agosto
''L'offerta di 90 milioni di euro fatta dal Real Madrid per Kakà? Penso sia una cosa da pazzi. Il calcio non è più lo stesso con tutti questi milioni di euro''. Gianluca Zambrotta commenta così la notizia della megaofferta dei 'Blancos' per il brasiliano del Milan. L'ex juventino critica anche il suo club per aver organizzato una tournee asiatica che impegnerà la squadra per una settimana. "Penso che sarebbe stato meglio rimanere a Barcellona e preparare bene la stagione. In più, avremo problemi a causa degli spostamenti e del jet-lag". Tuttavia le esibizioni in Asia consentiranno ai blaugrana di incassare diversi milioni di euro.
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=all&a=50217
Hasan Rossonero
01-08-2007, 12:44
Kakà Zambrotta '90 mln una cosa da pazzi'
16:30 del 01 agosto
''L'offerta di 90 milioni di euro fatta dal Real Madrid per Kakà? Penso sia una cosa da pazzi. Il calcio non è più lo stesso con tutti questi milioni di euro''. Gianluca Zambrotta commenta così la notizia della megaofferta dei 'Blancos' per il brasiliano del Milan. L'ex juventino critica anche il suo club per aver organizzato una tournee asiatica che impegnerà la squadra per una settimana. "Penso che sarebbe stato meglio rimanere a Barcellona e preparare bene la stagione. In più, avremo problemi a causa degli spostamenti e del jet-lag". Tuttavia le esibizioni in Asia consentiranno ai blaugrana di incassare diversi milioni di euro.
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=all&a=50217
Grazie amico mio!
Kaka1899
01-08-2007, 13:02
Translate?
zlatanov
01-08-2007, 13:03
Translate?
it said "Thank you, my friend"
:D
P.S. here is an english version of it:
http://www.goal.com/en-US/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=369700
Kaka1899
01-08-2007, 13:08
it said "Thank you, my friend"
:D
P.S. here is an english version of it:
http://www.goal.com/en-US/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=369700
thanks for the link zlat and i can read basic italian i speak better than i read tho :)
On the whole Pato/Milan/Madrid situation:
Real have been made to look stupid over the last week or so as,
1 - Their main target Kaka has stated he will remain with Milan,
2 - The next target Fabregas stated he will stay with Arsenal,
3 - Athletico bidded on Reyes in the final minute to take him away from them,
4 - The whole Robben saga (When they claimed to have nearly signed him) & RA said they wont sell him and
5 - On goal it says that the Madird & Drenthe deal has collapsed.
This looks like its been a pretty bad week/2weeks for R.Madrid, maybe now it can get worse with number 6 - Pato declining their offer.
I didn't watch him a lot Tony and that's why i may be wrong. All i've seen from him were the Coppa America games where he wasn't playing as a RB and maximum 3 Sevilla matches where, although Alves did very good in attack, Sevilla's part of the field, the right part, was always empty because Alves was always going forward.
I've never even seen him defend, that's why i may have wrong opinion about him as a defender.
Tony i agree with you at the most of the cases but D. Alves is just excellent. I keep watching him the last 2 years. He is a player that can change the routre of the game. He will defend, has stamina, hits free kicks, shoots, make crossovers.... even as a secret striker, i am obsessed with him. if you put 3 players into one you talk about Dani Alves.
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Hasan Rossonero
01-08-2007, 16:22
REAL DEALS?
01/08/07
The latest comments from Bernd Schuster suggest that Real Madrid’s new coach is learning quickly about the club’s ferocious internal politics.
In his latest news conference, the German made all the right noises about signing Kaka and Arjen Robben. But he had let the cat out of the bag a few days earlier when he was quoted by German TV station ARD as saying that Michael Ballack would be a perfect signing. Now Schuster has denied making the comments about Ballack.
The problem Schuster faces is that he has more central defenders than he knows what to do with, thanks to the summer arrivals of Pepe and Christoph Metzelder. But what he really needs is a ball-playing central midfielder, like Ballack, and a right-sided midfielder to replace David Beckham.
Yet Real president Ramon Calderon is still persisting with seeing through his election pledges to sign Kaka, Robben and Arsenal midfielder Cesc, irrespective of whether they would benefit the team. Calderon was elected with a pledge to sign the trio, and is desperate to save face with the club’s socios who voted him in last year and who will be called upon to re-elect him in three years time.
The ownership structure of Real Madrid and Barcelona, where the club members own the club and elect the president every four years, is often held up as a preferable alternative to the market free-for-all that is currently engulfing English football. But, as Bernd Schuster is only just discovering, Calderon’s increasingly desperate attempts to make a ‘trophy’ signing in the summer transfer market have also shown the down side of the Spanish model.
--Gavin Hamilton (World Soccer)
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This is what I meant when I said Schuster has to march in lockstep with his paymaster. Calderon isn't the only one who has to pander to his constituency; Schuster has to oblige as well.
Pathetic.
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Graeme C
01-08-2007, 16:39
there is a report on channel4 saying baptista has shunned us apparently. And that if we fail to sign him we will not make any other signings this summer.
Is anyone else slightly worried by this? seing how Juve and even fiorentina have improved there squad depth pretty well?? with the season being long i cant really see how we can compete on all fonts..
I'll take the risk ......
Isn't it similar (far from same, but similar) in Milan ?
Berlusconi promised Ronaldinho and he rejected the players that Carlo wanted and thought that are needed in the team. Namely , Ribery or Toni.
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