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ThrusT
01-08-2007, 16:43
I'll take the risk ......


Isn't it similar (far from same, but similar) in Milan ?
Berlusconi promised Ronaldinho and he rejected the players that Carlo wanted and thought that are needed in the team. Namely , Ribery or Toni.
Sadly enough, it's very similar Tony.

Graeme C
01-08-2007, 16:47
yeah its pretty much the same. Belusconi and Galliani promising the fans, telling the fans after sheva left that they would sign a champion. Not a huge difference from what Real are doing.

To me if we dont sign Pato, then we have wasted the whole summer window.

And Galliani should at least step down from dealing with transfers .

Kaka1899
01-08-2007, 16:50
yeah but at least we didnt elect berlu on the basis of him promising big names and then cant deliver btw i know we dont elect our club presidents like Madrid do :)

Hasan Rossonero
01-08-2007, 16:51
I'll take the risk ......


Isn't it similar (far from same, but similar) in Milan ?
Berlusconi promised Ronaldinho and he rejected the players that Carlo wanted and thought that are needed in the team. Namely , Ribery or Toni.

That's not what I was trying to highlight in the article. I am well aware of our own foibles.

What I was trying to highlight was how remarkably quickly Schuster internalized Calderon's rhetoric, and his tactics. For example, Ancelotti doesn't say things like "Ronaldinho will sooner or later come play with us. We have a suitcase full of money."

I am trying to emphasize that Calderon has to appease people who vote for him. Fair enough. But look how effectively that trickles down to the coach, and the players (Cicinho). Even Capello did it.

I haven't heard, for example, Gattuso say that Eto'o will probably return from vacation and ask for a transfer.

Kaka--7thUCL
01-08-2007, 16:52
Does anyone know when milans next pre-season game kicks off? and against who?

Tony29.
01-08-2007, 16:59
That's not what I was trying to highlight in the article. I am well aware of our own foibles.

What I was trying to highlight was how remarkably quickly Schuster internalized Calderon's rhetoric, and his tactics. For example, Ancelotti doesn't say things like "Ronaldinho will sooner or later come play with us. We have a suitcase full of money."

I am trying to emphasize that Calderon has to appease people who vote for him. Fair enough. But look how effectively that trickles down to the coach, and the players (Cicinho). Even Capello did it.

I haven't heard, for example, Gattuso say that Eto'o will probably return from vacation and ask for a transfer.
Ouch...sorry, i didn't get you the first time :ashamed:

You know, Bernd Schuster was always like this. In the past he was very famous in Germany, something like Beckham in England, and he was always accused that he does and says everything the way his wife tells him to (here you can find similarities with what's happening now between him and Calderon).
He was also a very crazy guy with bad temper who was always fighting with his managers.

Graeme C
01-08-2007, 17:00
i think im more bothered by galliani than Belusconi tho. We wouldnt have signed Oddo if it wasnt for him, well we wouldnt be anywhere if it wasnt for him. i have my doubts that galliani can now get a deal sealed...whereas belusconi has the power and respect to get deals done. since galliani left the figc i think he has lost alot of respect from other seria A clubs and has made it harder for us to buy from Seria A.

my dislike of galliani has grown in the last few years, after last season with the trial, the Oli transfer and putting some players good before the good of the team (hense not getting new players, and keeping some of the slackers in the team)

Hasan Rossonero
01-08-2007, 17:05
Ouch...sorry, i didn't get you the first time :ashamed:

You know, Bernd Schuster was always like this. In the past he was very famous in Germany, something like Beckham in England, and he was always accused that he does and says everything the way his wife tells him to (here you can find similarities with what's happening now between him and Calderon).
He was also a very crazy guy with bad temper who was always fighting with his managers.
Why are you apologizing? :dielaugh:

Even if you didn't get me, I can see why you would draw those conclusions as I wasn't extremely clear.

The only thing you should be ashamed of is the team you support. :grinser:

ThrusT
01-08-2007, 17:08
i think im more bothered by galliani than Belusconi tho. We wouldnt have signed Oddo if it wasnt for him, well we wouldnt be anywhere if it wasnt for him. i have my doubts that galliani can now get a deal sealed...whereas belusconi has the power and respect to get deals done. since galliani left the figc i think he has lost alot of respect from other seria A clubs and has made it harder for us to buy from Seria A.

my dislike of galliani has grown in the last few years, after last season with the trial, the Oli transfer and putting some players good before the good of the team (hense not getting new players, and keeping some of the slackers in the team)
I agree but Berlu is not always objective either, so it seems.
With his Brazilian obsession. :grinser:
Galliani should step off,he should remain with us but let someone else do the transfer job.
Give it to someone who is able to seal a deal and who is motivated like Leo.
And perhaps they should also listen to Ancelotti a bit more, Berlu and Galli say they have so much faith in him but can't even give him one player that he has requested? :(

Nordahl
01-08-2007, 17:18
We'll miss Ribery and Torres, mark my words.

sveto
01-08-2007, 17:20
i think im more bothered by galliani than Belusconi tho. We wouldnt have signed Oddo if it wasnt for him, well we wouldnt be anywhere if it wasnt for him. i have my doubts that galliani can now get a deal sealed...whereas belusconi has the power and respect to get deals done. since galliani left the figc i think he has lost alot of respect from other seria A clubs and has made it harder for us to buy from Seria A.

my dislike of galliani has grown in the last few years, after last season with the trial, the Oli transfer and putting some players good before the good of the team (hense not getting new players, and keeping some of the slackers in the team)
Guys Guys, slow down a bit with the harsh words
Galiani is a superb VP bottom line!!!!!
What else do you want from him, we just won CL for crying out loud!!!!!
well mistakes are being made through the last two decades, but overall he is alright,
Plus Doctor Galiani has a lot to do for bring Ronaldo to Milanelo as well,
So hands of the most passionate VP :tired:

_MaJi_tz
01-08-2007, 17:52
there is still time for get Huntellar

drucurl
01-08-2007, 18:45
Guys Guys, slow down a bit with the harsh words
Galiani is a superb VP bottom line!!!!!
What else do you want from him, we just won CL for crying out loud!!!!!
well mistakes are being made through the last two decades, but overall he is alright,
Plus Doctor Galiani has a lot to do for bring Ronaldo to Milanelo as well,
So hands of the most passionate VP :tired:
As much as i would have liked to join the voices of protest this post effectively takes me out of the discussion :grinser:

Rayno_acm
02-08-2007, 01:19
I'm starting to loose my patience seeing everyday some people whining... :rolleyes: I mean those people who says "Galiani this, Galiani that"...
Are you nuts? :stupid: It seem you don't know anything about the club, the people that rule Milan. How could you even imagine Berlusconi to fire Galiani just for failing to sign some big players in one summer? :rolleyes: They are friends for more that 20 years atleast!!! It seems you don't know how Berlusconi thinks, he is very loyal to the people he trusts. And Berlusconi trust Galiani like nobody else.
And some people suggest Leonardo to take care about the transfers. It's clear you don't know Leonardo's temper too. He is modest just like Kaka', not insolent like Mijatovic. Do you really think Leo would do better than Galiani? :grinser: Leo was important for signing Kaka', but that was becouse he is Brazilian, played along with Ricardo and convinced him to sign with us. Not becouse Leo is that great master about signing players. He can convince only Brazilians to be signed.

And Tony, it's similar to Real's situation, but not the same. We are that desperate like them, we have players for each position :devf: , only about the bench some people have doubts... :rolleyes:

atreides602
02-08-2007, 02:08
Looks like keeping Kaka is the only gift milanisti will get this summer,though nobody give me an answer: no news about the new contract with Kaka?

Maltese Charlie
02-08-2007, 02:49
I'll take the risk ......


Isn't it similar (far from same, but similar) in Milan ?
Berlusconi promised Ronaldinho and he rejected the players that Carlo wanted and thought that are needed in the team. Namely , Ribery or Toni.

Sorry, But I don't see it similar!!!
First of all, Berlusconi never promised that Ronaldinho's transfer is 100% sure, but only promised that IF he leaves Barcellona Milan will sign him for sure.
And after his conversation with Laporta, Berlusconi was the first one to tell the supporters that this transfer is nearly to impossible to be done, simply because Ronaldinho is not for sale.
(Note the difference: Calderon after he recieved the negative answer for Kaka, he continued to say that Kaka at the end will join Real, and if it is not this year it will be next. And bla bla bla suitcase full of money....... bla ... bla .. bla ... HOPEFULLY HE WILL NOT GET ELECTED AGAIN :grinser: )

I also don't believe that the decision to wait for Ronaldinho was only taken by Berlusconi. I believe it was a collective decision.
A club with such a success for sure cannot be run in that matter.
I know that there were some rumors about Tony and Ribery in the papers, but again I don't believe that the reason for not signing Milan was just only Berlusconi's refusal. Must be other reasons.
After all it was officially announced by the club that especially for big signings, Milan try to have a consensus between all the important people of the club.

Sorry and feel free to disagree. :grinser:
Here in Milan we are very DEMOCRATIC. :devf: :devf:

Jim_UK
02-08-2007, 03:40
Does anyone know when milans next pre-season game kicks off? and against who?

I believe it's against PSV this Friday. All the information is in the summer 2007 friendlies thread. Try looking in there next time.


though nobody give me an answer: no news about the new contract with Kaka?


If no one gave you an answer, maybe it's because nobody knows!

rosoneri_11
02-08-2007, 04:00
We'll miss Ribery and Torres, mark my words.


Please dont remind me that because it hurt's me very much.

Rayno_acm
02-08-2007, 05:10
Please dont remind me that because it hurt's me very much.
Cry me a river :devf: :devf: :devf:

Arildonardo
02-08-2007, 05:46
We'll miss Ribery and Torres, mark my words.
I think we'll miss this guy even more. He has signed for Manchester United... Amazing player. :respect:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG47FDenyXw

rosoneri_11
02-08-2007, 05:53
I think we'll miss this guy even more. He has signed for Manchester United... Amazing player. :respect:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG47FDenyXw





He is an alien!!!!!!! :grinser:

prifess
02-08-2007, 05:55
btw leonardo can't just convince players to sign for milan. he has got an exelent eye for talents as well

prifess
02-08-2007, 05:56
He is an alien!!!!!!! :grinser:
yes idd, but he already thinks he is the man...

rosoneri_11
02-08-2007, 05:59
Sorry off topic:When i go to the website http://www.tribalfootball.com/ to read the news, they show me the news of 21-7-07.
Tribalfootball had already all these days updated their site with new news, but when i go in their site they always show me the 21-7-07 news.My broswer works fine without any problem in all the websites instead of tribalfootball.
Does anyone else has the same problem with me?
If yes have anyone solve that problem? If yes please tell me what to do.

rosoneri_11
02-08-2007, 06:02
yes idd, but he already thinks he is the man...


Yes he does. :diablo: Great talent.

Siregar
02-08-2007, 06:03
I think we'll miss this guy even more. He has signed for Manchester United... Amazing player. :respect:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG47FDenyXw
Wow, it's like Ronaldinho for 10-year-old matches. :5ok:
But there is long long way to be a great player.

Hasan Rossonero
02-08-2007, 06:47
Sorry off topic:When i go to the website http://www.tribalfootball.com/ to read the news, they show me the news of 21-7-07.
Tribalfootball had already all these days updated their site with new news, but when i go in their site they always show me the 21-7-07 news.My broswer works fine without any problem in all the websites instead of tribalfootball.
Does anyone else has the same problem with me?
If yes have anyone solve that problem? If yes please tell me what to do.

Don't go to tribal football.

Tony75
02-08-2007, 07:02
Don't go to tribal football.
excellent response.

schenko
02-08-2007, 07:06
MILANELLO: 20 CONVOCATI PER IL QUADRANGOLARE DI MOSCA
02/08/2007
Ecco l'elenco. PORTIERI: Dida, Kalac, Fiori. DIFENSORI: Jankulovski, Serginho, Favalli, Oddo, Kaladze, Bonera, Cafu, Nesta, Simic. CENTROCAMPISTI: Ambrosini, Brocchi, Gattuso, Pirlo, Seedorf, Gourcuff. ATTACCANTI: Kakŕ, Aubameyang.



And Signor Galliani says that it doesnt matter if we dont buy an attacker. Our three attackers are already all missing.

Tony75
02-08-2007, 07:12
yes, but we still have our 3rd choice lawyer, i mean keeper.

schenko
02-08-2007, 07:14
yes, of course. if he's good as he did in goalkeeping :devf:

Ghost
02-08-2007, 07:15
I know before I get slaughtered for posting the following article as rule number one on MM is 'Dont go on Tribal', but I want to know what do you think about the following article? Is it convincing? It does say the information is taken from a Brazil paper so it could be concrete.

Superkid Pato: AC Milan best solution for me

Internacional ace Alexandre Pato is set to reject Real Madrid to join AC Milan next week.

Pato admitted to Brazilian daily Zero Hora today: "Milan is the better solution for me."

The 17 year-old's Mum and Dad travelled from their home in Parana to Porto Alegre this week to discuss their son's future with Internacional directors. It was agreed that Pato would remain with Inter until the end of the season in December ahead of moving to Europe during the winter market in January.

While Real remain in the mix, it appears that the Brazilian contingent at Milan has convinced the Pato family that they are the "best solution" for Alexandre.

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http://tribalfootball.com/article.php?id=50191

Tony75
02-08-2007, 07:20
Tribal get their all info from other sites, but then put their own spin on it, which is usually the total opposite of what's being said, especially regarding Kaka in the last few months, but this info on Pato is on the globo website, and gazzetta which are good sources.

Ghost
02-08-2007, 07:31
Tribal get their all info from other sites, but then put their own spin on it, which is usually the total opposite of what's being said, especially regarding Kaka in the last few months, but this info on Pato is on the globo website, and gazzetta which are good sources.

Oh thanks Tony, thats what I wanted to know - where they got this information from.

Giorgos
02-08-2007, 09:02
MILANELLO: 20 CONVOCATI PER IL QUADRANGOLARE DI MOSCA
02/08/2007
Ecco l'elenco. PORTIERI: Dida, Kalac, Fiori. DIFENSORI: Jankulovski, Serginho, Favalli, Oddo, Kaladze, Bonera, Cafu, Nesta, Simic. CENTROCAMPISTI: Ambrosini, Brocchi, Gattuso, Pirlo, Seedorf, Gourcuff. ATTACCANTI: Kakŕ, Aubameyang.



And Signor Galliani says that it doesnt matter if we dont buy an attacker. Our three attackers are already all missing.

That's why a lot of us wanted transfers but others stated we were ok and Milan is a team, it is not playing Football manager......

Tony29.
02-08-2007, 09:07
Other news and rumors, not related to Milan :


1. Manchester City signed two more players : Croatian national team regular, 21 years old Corluka and young Basque player Garrido. Both of them are left backs which probably means that ManCity gave up on Giorgio Chiellini after Juve rejected their last offer.
Still, the rumors about Chiellini didn't stop and some papers think Giorgio will still finish in Manchester, but in United, where he will be swaped with Gabriel Heinze.

2. Real Madrid's mercato seems to be the most interesting one for the papers. Now Nasri and Van der vaart are the next two in line, rumored to be close to Real.
Also, Robben's agent left the door still open after he said " Robben may go to Madrid or he may renew his contract with Chelsea"
Lucho Gonzalez is another one who is in Real plans for a long time. He rejected Valencia and Lyon and reports suggest he did it only so he can go to Real.

3. Fiorentina is after Thiago Motta. According to Barcelona based newspaper "El Mundo Deportivo", Fiorentina is offering 5m euro for Motta.

4. Newcastle and ManUtd are negotiating over Alan Smith.



About Milan........according to Bronzetti, tomorrow everything will be known about Julio Baptista and if he'll stay in Madrid or he'll be loaned to Milan.

rosoneri_11
02-08-2007, 09:24
I know before I get slaughtered for posting the following article as rule number one on MM is 'Dont go on Tribal', but I want to know what do you think about the following article? Is it convincing? It does say the information is taken from a Brazil paper so it could be concrete.

Superkid Pato: AC Milan best solution for me

Internacional ace Alexandre Pato is set to reject Real Madrid to join AC Milan next week.

Pato admitted to Brazilian daily Zero Hora today: "Milan is the better solution for me."

The 17 year-old's Mum and Dad travelled from their home in Parana to Porto Alegre this week to discuss their son's future with Internacional directors. It was agreed that Pato would remain with Inter until the end of the season in December ahead of moving to Europe during the winter market in January.

While Real remain in the mix, it appears that the Brazilian contingent at Milan has convinced the Pato family that they are the "best solution" for Alexandre.

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http://tribalfootball.com/article.php?id=50191


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I kliked that link of triball football and when a new window opened it says that "You have come to a non-existant article. Please contact tribalfootball.com if you believe that this is a mistake. Thank you".
Can someone say me what can i do to read the current news of tribalfootball?
Can someone help me?

Piscinin
02-08-2007, 09:25
Isn't Corluka primarily a center or right sided defender?

Hasan Rossonero
02-08-2007, 09:28
Looks like keeping Kaka is the only gift milanisti will get this summer,though nobody give me an answer: no news about the new contract with Kaka?
There was initial contact, and the rumour is that Milan are working on it.

However, management knows that the best time for this is not when Real's interest is always lurking, but rather when they can also dictate some of the terms. Rumour is, however, that Milan are making an offer that is in the 10-11 million range when all is said and done (image rights etc.).

I think the contract renewal will happen, God willing, sometime in September or October.

Hasan Rossonero
02-08-2007, 09:29
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I kliked that link of triball football and when a new window opened it says that "You have come to a non-existant article. Please contact tribalfootball.com if you believe that this is a mistake. Thank you".
Can someone say me what can i do to read the current news of tribalfootball?
Can someone help me?
Your browser is trying to tell you something. :D

Did you try firefox? Did you have the same problem? Did you try and delete your temp internet files and your cookies?

zlatanov
02-08-2007, 09:33
That's why a lot of us wanted transfers but others stated we were ok and Milan is a team, it is not playing Football manager......
Gila is recovering from a surgery he had in the summer while both Pippo and Ronaldo are not with the team due to muscle tiredness caused by the intense training - this is something normal for this period and can happen to just about anyone, depending on the routine they are following ... this is not an injury.

gazzetta has an article where they quote Bronzetti saying that he would be travelling to Moscow to take part in the negotiations for Baptista.

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I kliked that link of triball football and when a new window opened it says that "You have come to a non-existant article. Please contact tribalfootball.com if you believe that this is a mistake. Thank you".
Can someone say me what can i do to read the current news of tribalfootball?
Can someone help me?
Joannis, my man, do yourself a favour and stop wasting your time with tribal, life's short enough ...
there are so many other sites mentioned here from where you can get far more interesting rumours, if that's what does it for you ... tribal doesn't have 1/5th of what you can find there.

other than that, try clicking the reload button and clearing the cache of the browser ...

rosoneri_11
02-08-2007, 09:39
Ok Hasan and Zlat i will take your advise and follow it.
From now no more tribal-lies-stories. :devf:

rosoneri_11
02-08-2007, 09:45
Your browser is trying to tell you something. :D

Did you try firefox? Did you have the same problem? Did you try and delete your temp internet files and your cookies?


I don't know mate what happenened.My broswer is working fine.Only when i go at tribalfootball the problem start.It shows me the news of 21-7-07.
I don't know what is going wrong.
I don't have the firefox, i use the internet explorer.
As for the temp internet files or the cookies, no i had not delete anything of that.

Hasan Rossonero
02-08-2007, 09:54
I don't know mate what happenened.My broswer is working fine.Only when i go at tribalfootball the problem start.It shows me the news of 21-7-07.
I don't know what is going wrong.
I don't have the firefox, i use the internet explorer.
As for the temp internet files or the cookies, no i had not delete anything of that.
I had a problem like that and I deleted some files and cleared my cache, and it worked.

Try firefox, it's very good.

K77SH C
02-08-2007, 10:16
I don't know mate what happenened.My broswer is working fine.Only when i go at tribalfootball the problem start.It shows me the news of 21-7-07.
I don't know what is going wrong.
I don't have the firefox, i use the internet explorer.
As for the temp internet files or the cookies, no i had not delete anything of that.

What browser are you using? What a great feature, not being able to access tribal football :respect:

rosoneri_11
02-08-2007, 10:19
I had a problem like that and I deleted some files and cleared my cache, and it worked.

Try firefox, it's very good.


Thanks Hasan, i will try it when i will get back from training.Ciao! :5ok:

rosoneri_11
02-08-2007, 10:19
What browser are you using? What a great feature, not being able to access tribal football :respect:



:grinser: :grinser: :grinser: NO COMMENT :grinser: :grinser: :grinser:

Siregar
02-08-2007, 10:37
Gila is recovering from a surgery he had in the summer while both Pippo and Ronaldo are not with the team due to muscle tiredness caused by the intense training - this is something normal for this period and can happen to just about anyone, depending on the routine they are following ... this is not an injury.
What about Gourcuf. I cant find anything about Gourcuf's current situation. Is he really injured? And for how long?

Tony29.
02-08-2007, 10:40
Isn't Corluka primarily a center or right sided defender?
He plays on the right side alright. I just copied it from juventuz where they made a mistake.
I've never seen him play as a central defender. In Croatia he's always covering the right side. Very elegant lad. Tall but very smart and you always feel secure when he has the ball. Even though he's only 21 you can always be sure he won't do something stupid and he'll make the best decission.

Reports say City bought him for 12m euro, which is very high and not the correct price, imo. But even if they did pay as much i think they made a good deal.

Plus, Dinamo is losing it's best players one after another. Now let Arsenal buy Luka Modric and Split will again give the Croatian champion :)

Hasan Rossonero
02-08-2007, 10:43
He plays on the right side alright. I just copied it from juventuz where they made a mistake.
I've never seen him play as a central defender. In Croatia he's always covering the right side. Very elegant lad. Tall but very smart and you always feel secure when he has the ball. Even though he's only 21 you can always be sure he won't do something stupid and he'll make the best decission.

Reports say City bought him for 12m euro, which is very high and not the correct price, imo. But even if they did pay as much i think they made a good deal.

Plus, Dinamo is losing it's best players one after another. Now let Arsenal buy Luka Modric and Split will again give the Croatian champion :)

Looks like Chiellini is staying. Good.

Hasan Rossonero
02-08-2007, 10:46
Baptista says he doesn't want to go on loan, and he wants to stay (gazzetta.it). But what if Real and Milan reach an agreement tomorrow?

Tony29.
02-08-2007, 10:59
Baptista says he doesn't want to go on loan, and he wants to stay (gazzetta.it). But what if Real and Milan reach an agreement tomorrow?
Berlusconi will not buy Baptista if he doesn't wants to change clubs. Berlu let Suazo go to Inter without a fight the moment he found out that the attacker wants Inter.
The most influental man in Italy will not beg some average football player.

It all depends if Baptista really means what he says.

Oh, and Hasan, i found a nice article for you. Looks like these guys were reading our conversation from few days ago. Lets sue them for plagiarism :)
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=all&a=50273

Hasan Rossonero
02-08-2007, 11:01
Berlusconi will not buy Baptista if he doesn't wants to change clubs. Berlu let Suazo go to Inter without a fight the moment he found out that the attacker wants Inter.
The most influental man in Italy will not beg some average football player.

It all depends if Baptista really means what he says.

Oh, and Hasan, i found a nice article for you. Looks like these guys were reading our conversation from few days ago. Lets sue them for plagiarism :)
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=all&a=50273
Yeah, I read that last night, and I was going to post it for you.

What a sad state of affairs. Money is one thing, but it doesn't seem like Napoli, Juve, Inter, Milan, and Roma want to spend money on Italian talent. Sad.

If the Baptista thing doesn't work out I hope we go for a made-in-Italy option like Quagliarella (not going to be easy) or even Cassano.

Ghost
02-08-2007, 11:04
Plus, Dinamo is losing it's best players one after another. Now let Arsenal buy Luka Modric and Split will again give the Croatian champion :)

Doubt it will be this summer, maybe in January or next summer - I heard they have first refusal on him (talked about that when the Eduardo deal was going through) but im not 100% sure.

I dont mind having some sort of loan deal with the beast, but one thing bugs me that if he does prove to be a big hit then Madrid will ask for silly money for him.

zlatanov
02-08-2007, 11:10
I dont mind having some sort of loan deal with the beast, but one thing bugs me that if he does prove to be a big hit then Madrid will ask for silly money for him.
if there is a loan at all, it would have a buy-out clause, ahich Milan can excercise at the end of the loan period and buy Baptista for a pre-set amount of money ... so, Real cannot ask for more than that.

What about Gourcuf. I cant find anything about Gourcuf's current situation. Is he really injured? And for how long?
Gourcuff is part of the squad going to Moscow so I guess he is OK.

Deadline
02-08-2007, 11:12
Doubt it will be this summer, maybe in January or next summer - I heard they have first refusal on him (talked about that when the Eduardo deal was going through) but im not 100% sure.

I dont mind having some sort of loan deal with the beast, but one thing bugs me that if he does prove to be a big hit then Madrid will ask for silly money for him.

It is very common that a loan deal WITH an option to buy the player includes an agreed price.

Siregar
02-08-2007, 11:27
if there is a loan at all, it would have a buy-out clause, ahich Milan can excercise at the end of the loan period and buy Baptista for a pre-set amount of money ... so, Real cannot ask for more than that.

Gourcuff is part of the squad going to Moscow so I guess he is OK.
But if Madrid dont want to sell Baptista at the of the season, Milan cant do anything, right?

Gourcuf :
Why didnt Goucuf play against Lecco? Was he really injured?

zlatanov
02-08-2007, 11:31
But if Madrid dont want to sell Baptista at the of the season, Milan cant do anything, right?

Gourcuf :
Why didnt Goucuf play against Lecco? Was he really injured?
if Madrid agree to a loan deal with a buy-out clause, they can't do anything more as Milan and the player would have the say in what happens from there on - if Milan decides that buying Baptista for the pre-set amount is really worth it, then can do it and Real cannot ask for more than that amount.
If Milan, however, decides that Baptista isn't worth a permanent move, they can just let him go back to Real (very much like Arsenal did last season)

I think Gorky had a slight injury for the Lecco game and his exclusion from the team was a precautionary measure.

conge05
02-08-2007, 11:37
pato is the realistic player to the milan team.

Graeme C
02-08-2007, 11:39
I'm starting to loose my patience seeing everyday some people whining... :rolleyes: I mean those people who says "Galiani this, Galiani that"...
Are you nuts? :stupid: It seem you don't know anything about the club, the people that rule Milan. How could you even imagine Berlusconi to fire Galiani just for failing to sign some big players in one summer? :rolleyes: They are friends for more that 20 years atleast!!! It seems you don't know how Berlusconi thinks, he is very loyal to the people he trusts. And Berlusconi trust Galiani like nobody else.
And some people suggest Leonardo to take care about the transfers. It's clear you don't know Leonardo's temper too. He is modest just like Kaka', not insolent like Mijatovic. Do you really think Leo would do better than Galiani? :grinser: Leo was important for signing Kaka', but that was becouse he is Brazilian, played along with Ricardo and convinced him to sign with us. Not becouse Leo is that great master about signing players. He can convince only Brazilians to be signed.

And Tony, it's similar to Real's situation, but not the same. We are that desperate like them, we have players for each position :devf: , only about the bench some people have doubts... :rolleyes:

you not renember the leonardo elbow? im laid back to, but if i want to get something done...

conge05
02-08-2007, 11:40
galiani....milan must regeneration!!!!!!!!!

mrki
02-08-2007, 11:41
Hello. hellooo!!!!

I've bought Gazzetta today and they say Braida will soon conclude PAto deal with 5 year deal ! That is a great news for Milan, evendough Pato can only join us in january. Still, Im really dissapointed that with all that money Milan hasnt got a single player this summer. Baptista is a good solution as he can play as a midfielder and as a forward also. We'čč see what happens but... the Deco idea was nice! :)

conge05
02-08-2007, 12:18
pato the new sheva....i agree

zlatanov
02-08-2007, 12:26
Hello. hellooo!!!!

I've bought Gazzetta today and they say Braida will soon conclude PAto deal with 5 year deal ! That is a great news for Milan, evendough Pato can only join us in january. Still, Im really dissapointed that with all that money Milan hasnt got a single player this summer. Baptista is a good solution as he can play as a midfielder and as a forward also. We'čč see what happens but... the Deco idea was nice! :)
what's up mrki ... spamming internet cafes in the Adriatic? :D

good to see you are warming up to the idea of us getting Baptista :diablo:

Hasan Rossonero
02-08-2007, 12:34
what's up mrki ... spamming internet cafes in the Adriatic? :D

good to see you are warming up to the idea of us getting Baptista :diablo:
What about you man? Will this Baptista talk of "wanting to stay at Real" appear irrelevant if the club decides to let him go?

I wouldn't personally mind if he came, but I wouldn't be devastated if he didn't.

zlatanov
02-08-2007, 12:47
What about you man? Will this Baptista talk of "wanting to stay at Real" appear irrelevant if the club decides to let him go?

I wouldn't personally mind if he came, but I wouldn't be devastated if he didn't.
I think the guy is just keeping his options open should Milan and Real fail to reach a deal.
My guess is Schuster is still in the dark as far as his team goes - who will stay, who will go and most importantly, who will arrive - and that's the only reason he hasn't punched JP's one-way ticket out of Madrid.

I personally wouldn't mind JP at Milan, actually, I would like to have him here especially on a loan deal.
Think he can be a very useful signing for us with the right mix of experience and versatility.

Giorgos
02-08-2007, 13:04
This thread should be renamed summer harassment

Gabriel489
02-08-2007, 13:07
Another day without any signings.

Count down to August 31, 2007 is now only 28 days away.

Pato, Dinho, Eto, Baptista, Motta, Cassano, who else want to join Milan.

TO be honest, I think this missing strikers issue to Moscow will really make Milan to sign one or two strikers.

drucurl
02-08-2007, 13:07
Gila is recovering from a surgery he had in the summer while both Pippo and Ronaldo are not with the team due to muscle tiredness caused by the intense training - this is something normal for this period and can happen to just about anyone, depending on the routine they are following ... this is not an injury.

:wth: The last thing I read is that Ronaldo (pulled hamstring) and Pippo (thigh) I don't know how you could possibly say that they aren't injured (even if it isn't long term or serious) the fact remains that they are injured. But then again nobody is complaining because we have Seedorf and Kaka in attack :wallbang:
Just great...this is what SEVERAL of us were upset about.....now we are playing with only one Primevera striker.....but all is not lost Aubemyang looks very promising :5ok:

zlatanov
02-08-2007, 13:13
:wth: The last thing I read is that Ronaldo (pulled hamstring) and Pippo (thigh) I don't know how you could possibly say that they aren't injured (even if it isn't long term or serious) the fact remains that they are injured. But then again nobody is complaining because we have Seedorf and Kaka in attack :wallbang:
Just great...this is what SEVERAL of us were upset about.....now we are playing with only one Primevera striker.....but all is not lost Aubemyang looks very promising :5ok:
well, I guess you haven't considered the other possibility - that what you've read about pulled hamstrings and whatnot (most probably on your beloved goal.com) is NOT true to begin with. ;)

carlo himself said that the reason these two are not with the team is muscle tiredness from the harsh training but expects to have them back as soon as the team comes back from Moscow, which would be on Sunday or something like that.
Now, you go ask goal.com how a player who has pulled a hamstring can recover in 3-4 days and report back what their medical expert has said

Warro Bantan
02-08-2007, 13:17
Well, IMO we will have the opportunity to evaluate Aubemyang, against "proper" opposition...he may surprise many here and score a hat-trick per game!! :D

In truth, I agree with Dru that this "injury" crisis will highlight the necessity to buy a new striker/forward....not that managment will agree necessairily, but even the blind can see we need at leat one more striker...and Pato, in realistically, IMO isnt ready..not for UCL or Serie A matches...though necessity may result in him playing..a sort of "baptisim in fire"....:dontkn:

All in all, Berlu and Galliani will have to step on it now.

ACMILAN1983
02-08-2007, 13:36
i think im more bothered by galliani than Belusconi tho. We wouldnt have signed Oddo if it wasnt for him, well we wouldnt be anywhere if it wasnt for him. i have my doubts that galliani can now get a deal sealed...whereas belusconi has the power and respect to get deals done. since galliani left the figc i think he has lost alot of respect from other seria A clubs and has made it harder for us to buy from Seria A.

my dislike of galliani has grown in the last few years, after last season with the trial, the Oli transfer and putting some players good before the good of the team (hense not getting new players, and keeping some of the slackers in the team)

Galliani can't be blamed more than Berlu for all that. The Oli deal would have to go through Berlu to be made, so Berlu would have given the final go ahead to buy. Even with his faith about the team, it's not just up to him. Berlu, Galliani, Braida and Carlo all have to make these decisions. Carlo may not have has big a word as the others, but he suggests what improvements need to be made and the directors will discuss the best solution.

As for respect, Galliani was often hated by others when FIGC president, with the constant pressure he was under and the suspicion he was constantly trying to do Milan favours was ridiculous. He's better off not being FIGC president.

Giorgos
02-08-2007, 14:35
Have you seen Suazzo so far with Inter he can't stop scoring....

hwmook
02-08-2007, 14:44
Have you seen Suazzo so far with Inter he can't stop scoring....

Have the Serie A and UCL matches started? :grinser:

And inter winning their friendlies is a good sign that all will be well this season. :grinser:

Ghost
02-08-2007, 14:50
Looks like Alex has been granted his work permit which means he will be at chelsea - I have this feeling however that JoMo & Alex will fall out before christmas.

Giorgos
02-08-2007, 14:59
Have the Serie A and UCL matches started? :grinser:

And inter winning their friendlies is a good sign that all will be well this season. :grinser:

I agree with the saying whichever wins at friendlies doesn't go well at the officials. But i was refering to Suazo and his performances wanting to say how he could help us.

Tony29.
02-08-2007, 15:04
Looks like Alex has been granted his work permit which means he will be at chelsea - I have this feeling however that JoMo & Alex will fall out before christmas.

How are things now in Chelsea ? (i'm not following them much)

I know that with Alex they have 3 top quality CB's ( Terry+Carvalho+Alex). They have very good LB's in Cole and Bridge but in RB they only have Ferreira and Johnson. I think there were talks about Ferreira being sold so i wonder if it's possible Chelsea to play without a RB with a defensive line of 3 Cb's + Cole ?

I guess it's not very possible or realistic.


If Mourinho doesn't want Alex and Alex is still becoming Chelsea player then it's probably Abramovich the one who insists. If Alex is Roman's pet then wanted or not, Mourinho will have to play him and since it's close to impossible JM to put one of Terry-Carvalho on the bench then he may be forced to use 3 CD's.

:rolleyes:

Ghost
02-08-2007, 15:39
How are things now in Chelsea ? (i'm not following them much)

The whole situation at Chelsea is pretty funny because one on hand you have the fans who are pretty much sick with the amount of C.B's they have at the club. Majority of the fans are complaining and are sure that with all the world class CB's in the team it will unsettle some of them as they would prefer first team action. What you suggested about the whole defensive line is unrealistic because that would not suit the way Chelsea play - especially coming from a manager who recently stated they are going to try and play beautiful football.

Its pretty much how you have described Tony - Jose doesnt want Alex and the way he has been acting over the last months clearly prove that - however Alex on the other hand wants a chance and wants to prove that he can play. Roman does have a say but when it comes to football Jose will do whatever he feels is best for the team - Roman clearly wanted Sheva to play throughout the whole year. After giving him so many chances you could tell Jose was getting frustrated which made the feud between the Owner & Manager worse, Jose will play Alex to keep Roman happy but to me its not right because Terry & Carvalho form one of the best CD partnerships in the PL.

Jeez the above makes me sound like a Blues fans which I can assure you im not, god help me if i was.

Hasan Rossonero
02-08-2007, 15:56
This is from another forum:

Here is the fun moment of the day:

Real Madrid and Milan arrived roughly at the same time in Moscow. Upon exiting the terminal Kaká got on a bus... the wrong bus... the bus that was transporting members of the Real Madrid board.

Of course it wasn't on purpose, but the press loved it (apparently taking a million pictures). Kaká spent about 10 minutes talking to our board members before exiting to get on the right bus.


bua-ha-ha... our plan is coming together nicely; now he will accidentally check in to our hotel and then accidentally go into our locker room bua-ha-ha

---

So if it's true, get prepared for a media frenzy soon.

zlatanov
02-08-2007, 16:01
... or, it could have been just an evil joke by Galliani teasing the Real fans and management :D

Hasan Rossonero
02-08-2007, 16:04
... or, it could have been just an evil joke by Galliani teasing the Real fans and management :D
For some reason I had a feeling something like this would happen. I actually thought before kick-off, Real's Brazilian contingent would say stuff to Kaka ...like come to Real etc.

Well I guess that's life... :D

eltomas2
02-08-2007, 16:11
This is from another forum:

Here is the fun moment of the day:

Real Madrid and Milan arrived roughly at the same time in Moscow. Upon exiting the terminal Kaká got on a bus... the wrong bus... the bus that was transporting members of the Real Madrid board.

Of course it wasn't on purpose, but the press loved it (apparently taking a million pictures). Kaká spent about 10 minutes talking to our board members before exiting to get on the right bus.


bua-ha-ha... our plan is coming together nicely; now he will accidentally check in to our hotel and then accidentally go into our locker room bua-ha-ha

---

So if it's true, get prepared for a media frenzy soon.

haha, hope that wasn't a Freudian slip

Tony29.
02-08-2007, 16:18
Absolutely nothing about this in RM official site, no pictures in AS, no pictures in Marca, no pictures anywhere on the net. I believe it's not true info

P.S : Even AS wrote that Pato will play for Milan. They took it from Gazzetta, but if it wasn't a done deal i doubt they would have written about it.

zlatanov
02-08-2007, 16:18
For some reason I had a feeling something like this would happen. I actually thought before kick-off, Real's Brazilian contingent would say stuff to Kaka ...like come to Real etc.

Well I guess that's life... :D
I wouldn't be surprised if AG asked Kaka to carry the CL trophy and "mistakenly" pointed at the Real M bus with the words "go join your teammates, Ricky" ... that would have been too cruel even for AG. :grinser:

Absolutely nothing about this in RM official site, no pictures in AS, no pictures in Marca, no pictures anywhere on the net. I believe it's not true info

P.S : Even AS wrote that Pato will play for Milan. They took it from Gazzetta, but if it wasn't a done deal i doubt they would have written about it.
true, so far AS have been reporting only stone-cold facts, so if they are writing about it, it must be a done deal. :grinser:

P.S. yes, Tony, I know what you meant, just kidding :zany:

Hasan Rossonero
02-08-2007, 16:22
Well we'll find out tomorrow morning if it's true. God willing it isn't even if it is funny.

I just can't endure more stupidity from tabloids.

remote2book
02-08-2007, 16:38
soo....its wat WE ALLL FEARED!!!!! our strikers are injured!!!!!!! i understand gila its becasue he is coming from an operation but how long can inzaghi and ronaldo endure this through out the season....i kno zlat u said its not a big injury and we will have them back when we return from moscow...but the season is long. and how will they survive? this is telling us to SIGN some1!!!!!!!! our first match is against genoa i bieleve.....and our old friend will have his new teammates high on crack to destroy us (talking abt borrieleo) personally i think Man city has been one of the best in transfer market ok they arent getting really high named players but they have gotten players to IMPROVE their squad.......god willing we do something...

lked
02-08-2007, 16:47
but in RB they only have Ferreira and Johnson. I think there were talks about Ferreira being sold so i wonder if it's possible Chelsea to play without a RB with a defensive line of 3 Cb's + Cole ?
What about Bulahrouz/Geremi they both play as RB's right ?

Hasan Rossonero
02-08-2007, 16:53
soo....its wat WE ALLL FEARED!!!!! our strikers are injured!!!!!!! i understand gila its becasue he is coming from an operation but how long can inzaghi and ronaldo endure this through out the season....i kno zlat u said its not a big injury and we will have them back when we return from moscow...but the season is long. and how will they survive? this is telling us to SIGN some1!!!!!!!! our first match is against genoa i bieleve.....and our old friend will have his new teammates high on crack to destroy us (talking abt borrieleo) personally i think Man city has been one of the best in transfer market ok they arent getting really high named players but they have gotten players to IMPROVE their squad.......god willing we do something...

Have you tried yoga?

remote2book
02-08-2007, 16:54
Have you tried yoga?
no but.....iam going to try and put Gallianis face on a punching bag and punch the crap out of it :d55:

Nordahl
02-08-2007, 17:03
Well, it may be only a rumour, but one never knows: in an interview today for a Porto Alegre's radio station, Pato's agent Gilmar Veloz supposedly said that the boy already decided to join us, and also that he will join the side right now, and not only in january.

Nordahl
02-08-2007, 17:09
A HOT link from Globoesporte:

http://globoesporte.globo.com/ESP/Noticia/0,,MUL82015-4410,00.html

Nordahl
02-08-2007, 17:14
An AWFUL translation with google:

There the Duck goes to beat wing far from Side-River. Optimum player disclosed for the Inter in the last few decades was contracted by the Milan in this thursday. The Italian club banked the US$ 20 million (R$ 38 million) of the rescissory fine for craque of 17 years. The aggressor does not play more for the Colorado. It travels already in this friday for Italy. The business was materialize in long meeting. They had been gifts in the meeting the president of the Inter, Vitório Piffero, the entrepreneur of the player, Quick Gilmar, the director-generality of the Milan, Ariedo Braida, lawyers of the two clubs, the proper Duck and the father of it, Geraldo Rodrigues. The little boy signs with the Milan per five seasons. In Italy, he will carry through the dream to play to the side of Kaká and, mainly, Ronaldo Nazário. Duck changes the Inter for the Milan with less of one year as professional player. In the period, he was champion of the world and the South American Recopa. The boy was seen as a phenomenon for the controllers colorados before exactly of being alçado to the professional group. The Inter alone allowed that it was the field in the main teams after signing the current contract, with a voluminous fine. Former-president Fernando Carvalho feared that some European giant took the rare jewel of Side-River the banana price. The first game of Duck as professional was in November of the year passed, in the Antarctica Park, goleada of 4 the 1 on the Palms. It took more than one minute little to make a goal and to show that he was of another level. After that, gols gave passes for others two. As the game of the prodigy already was in the World-wide one of Clubs, in Japan. Against the Al-Ahly, it it made the first goal Colorado in the history of the main dispute of the planet. In the sequence, it helped to the teams of Abel Braga to beat Barcelona and to become better team of the world. This year, Duck was the prominence of the Brazilian election sub-20 in the heading of the South American of the category. For the Inter, still the South American Recopa earned on the Pachuca. He was optimum player of the Colorado in such a way in the gone game of, Mexico, how much in the confrontation in return, goleada of 4 the 0 in Side-River. In little time, the attacking talentoso left of being only Alexander Pato. It turned the Duck Wonder, as they had started to sing the colorados ones in the arquibancadas ones of the Giant. Now, the creation of cânticos fits to the Italian torcedores.

Hasan Rossonero
02-08-2007, 17:16
A HOT link from Globoesporte:

http://globoesporte.globo.com/ESP/Noticia/0,,MUL82015-4410,00.html

Thanks for the info man.

I don't speak Portuguese, but this article says that Pato doesn't play for Internacional anymore? But what about the Under-17 rule?

Nordahl
02-08-2007, 17:17
Thanks for the info man.

I don't speak Portuguese, but this article says that Pato doesn't play for Internacional anymore? But what about the Under-17 rule?

Here's a very rough but readable translation for the link above:

There the Duck goes to beat wing far from Side-River. Optimum player disclosed for the Inter in the last few decades was contracted by the Milan in this thursday. The Italian club banked the US$ 20 million (R$ 38 million) of the rescissory fine for craque of 17 years. The aggressor does not play more for the Colorado. It travels already in this friday for Italy. The business was materialize in long meeting. They had been gifts in the meeting the president of the Inter, Vitório Piffero, the entrepreneur of the player, Quick Gilmar, the director-generality of the Milan, Ariedo Braida, lawyers of the two clubs, the proper Duck and the father of it, Geraldo Rodrigues. The little boy signs with the Milan per five seasons. In Italy, he will carry through the dream to play to the side of Kaká and, mainly, Ronaldo Nazário. Duck changes the Inter for the Milan with less of one year as professional player. In the period, he was champion of the world and the South American Recopa. The boy was seen as a phenomenon for the controllers colorados before exactly of being alçado to the professional group. The Inter alone allowed that it was the field in the main teams after signing the current contract, with a voluminous fine. Former-president Fernando Carvalho feared that some European giant took the rare jewel of Side-River the banana price. The first game of Duck as professional was in November of the year passed, in the Antarctica Park, goleada of 4 the 1 on the Palms. It took more than one minute little to make a goal and to show that he was of another level. After that, gols gave passes for others two. As the game of the prodigy already was in the World-wide one of Clubs, in Japan. Against the Al-Ahly, it it made the first goal Colorado in the history of the main dispute of the planet. In the sequence, it helped to the teams of Abel Braga to beat Barcelona and to become better team of the world. This year, Duck was the prominence of the Brazilian election sub-20 in the heading of the South American of the category. For the Inter, still the South American Recopa earned on the Pachuca. He was optimum player of the Colorado in such a way in the gone game of, Mexico, how much in the confrontation in return, goleada of 4 the 0 in Side-River. In little time, the attacking talentoso left of being only Alexander Pato. It turned the Duck Wonder, as they had started to sing the colorados ones in the arquibancadas ones of the Giant. Now, the creation of cânticos fits to the Italian torcedores.

Giorgos
02-08-2007, 17:20
Nor is that language Brazilian?

Nordahl
02-08-2007, 17:20
In short: it can be only another rumour, but I guess it's a very concrete and plausible one, so let's cross our fingers and wait.

Hasan Rossonero
02-08-2007, 17:21
What about the under 18 rule?

Nordahl
02-08-2007, 17:23
What about the under 18 rule?

Well, the report doesn't said anything about it.

kumm
02-08-2007, 17:24
Here in Brazil the news is a meeting that took all day long sealed the deal between Milan and Internacional for Pato.
Milan meets the 20 million recisory fee and demand the player to be released immediately. Gilmar Veloz, Pato´s agent, said: We´ll be flying to Milan tomorrow at 14:00 o´clock.
Pato´s first contract with Milan is 5 years long.

Hope this kid has talent and skills like Kaká.

Nordahl
02-08-2007, 17:26
That's right, Kumm, it really seems that Pato will be at Milan already in friday.

Kaka1899
02-08-2007, 17:33
Nor is that language Brazilian?
They speak portugese in Brazil mate :)

lked
02-08-2007, 18:03
Guys i think we have signed Pato .. Im so :p017:
It's on Milan Channel :

Alexandro Pato e' del MILAN

Warro Bantan
02-08-2007, 18:07
So, am I to understand from this that we have "flouted" FIFA´s underage rule, or is it ok for the player under 18 to join an overseas club if his parents go with him?

Does this mean that we are going to sign Pato, and thats it in the attacking department?

Did Kaka really make a mistake and get on the Madrid bus, or was that just an unsubstantiated rumor, or will we be awash with more Kaka to Madrid rumors tomorrow?

Answers anyone? :dontkn:

Ghost
02-08-2007, 18:17
So, am I to understand from this that we have "flouted" FIFA´s underage rule, or is it ok for the player under 18 to join an overseas club if his parents go with him?

Does this mean that we are going to sign Pato, and thats it in the attacking department?

Did Kaka really make a mistake and get on the Madrid bus, or was that just an unsubstantiated rumor, or will we be awash with more Kaka to Madrid rumors tomorrow?

Answers anyone? :dontkn:

So many questions Warro doubt many will have answers for you until the Pato deal is sealed. To be honest I wouldnt believe a player is ours until we actully see him holding up our shirt - remember Rafael Sobis and Sauzo? However I doubt Milan have worked around that rule as Fifa wont allow it.

The part that worries me the most is the whole Kaka/Bus scenario - I hope its not true because if it is then every single paper will print the story with the pictures 100 times over and that is what we could do without right now. I guess we will find out in the coming days if it was true, hopefully not.

Hasan Rossonero
02-08-2007, 18:19
Official: Alexandre Pato to Milan
ALEXANDRE PATO AL MILAN!
02/08/2007

MILANO - Il grande talento Alexandre Pato si allenerŕ con il Milan e potrŕ giocare le partite amichevoli a partire dal 3 settembre 2007. Dal 3 gennaio 2008 in poi potrŕ disputare anche le partite ufficiali.


ALEXANDRE PATO TO MILAN!
8/2/2007

MILANO - The great talent Alexandre Pato will train with Milan and will be able to play the friendly matches starting from the 3rd of September 2007. From teh 3rd of January 2008 onwards he will also be able to play in the official games.


---
acmilan.com

Warro Bantan
02-08-2007, 18:21
Good news!! Even if he cant be "used" until January.

So the remaining non-EU spot is taken.....hmmm, wonder if R10 will get his Spanish passport with enuf time to get him this transfer window?

Ghost
02-08-2007, 18:21
Nice one Hasan bro - I just read that now also but we must remember what the site said about Suazo.

lol what a professional site they've spelt "the" like "teh"

hitmannq8
02-08-2007, 18:32
Now we'll see what Milan plan on doing next. I hope we wont see Galliani tomorrow saying "Now the market is closed", even if he is lieing. We are in need of a striker and our management wouldnt have let go of Oliveira only unless they knew there's someone coming. Let's see what's up their sleeve next.

Warro Bantan
02-08-2007, 18:33
Worst case scenario....we can always recall RO...cant we?

hitmannq8
02-08-2007, 18:36
Milanistas all around are very excited with this signing, I think it is because of the lack of movement in the market so we are so happy to have signed a player just for half a season. I wonder what will happen if we sign Eto'o or Ronaldinho!

Stitch
02-08-2007, 18:50
I think the guy is just keeping his options open should Milan and Real fail to reach a deal.
My guess is Schuster is still in the dark as far as his team goes - who will stay, who will go and most importantly, who will arrive - and that's the only reason he hasn't punched JP's one-way ticket out of Madrid.

I personally wouldn't mind JP at Milan, actually, I would like to have him here especially on a loan deal.
Think he can be a very useful signing for us with the right mix of experience and versatility.


who the hell is JP :rolleyes:
:grinser:

great news, wellcome pato!

Hasan Rossonero
02-08-2007, 18:51
The Kaka in the bus thing is apparently true. It's on AS. No real details about the 10 minute talk etc. But it's there. :D

Medellin, don't let it get to you. This is what tabloids live for. Of course, we could have done without it, but such is life. Tomorrow the headlines will read "Kaka, did he pick the right bus?" on AS... even if it didn't happen, AS would have made up a story of a meeting, just in a hotel room or something.

Stitch
02-08-2007, 18:53
ALEXANDRE PATO TO MILAN!
8/2/2007

MILANO - The great talent Alexandre Pato will train with Milan and will be able to play the friendly matches starting from the 3rd of September 2007. From teh 3rd of January 2008 onwards he will also be able to play in the official games.

acmilan.com

Warro Bantan
02-08-2007, 19:07
Kaka getting on the wrong bus is certainly not good news, for anyone...we will be plagued tomorrow with a host of Kaka to Madrid stories tomorrow, some making the conclusion that Pato is his replacement!

Remember, u heard it here first!! :D

Going to be a long day for us tomorrow, especially those of us with friends/coworkers etc that are Madrid fans...:rollani:

Bosniaco
02-08-2007, 19:23
Man thats bull****, its impossible to go on the worng bus. RM bus is probably white and Milans bus is probably red and black. So imposibble he didnt do it on purpose if he did it at all.

ThrusT
02-08-2007, 19:27
Indeed, I find it hard to believe Kaka got on the wrong bus just like that.
Is he not using his eyes and being guided by a dog or something?
I mean, you follow your teammates to the bus right?You don't wander off towards another bus.

Great news we've been able to seal the Pato deal. :grinser:
Now a defender and mid and we'll be fine.

Warro Bantan
02-08-2007, 19:28
Chill Bosniaco...all the buses more than likely looked the same, I think they would all be identical, with just a small sign on the front indicating which team was to travel on which bus.

The Russian team hosting the tournament, more than likely, just hired some buses from a tour company, and Kaka simply went on the wrong bus...this is my understanding/belief, having seen how tour-bus companies operate...recall that this tournament is in Russia..where would they find a red and black bus for Milan, and why would they go to that expense to move players and officials from the airport to their hotels?

Naah seems to me to be an honest mistake by Kaka, but one that is sure going to cause a meida frenzy in the morning...but I did warn u all this was likely to happen.

Nordahl
02-08-2007, 19:40
Milanistas all around are very excited with this signing, I think it is because of the lack of movement in the market

That's not the point, Hit, at last to me. I'm very glad because I guess we made a great movement in the right direction, signing a very young starlet that can turn into a monster player soon.

peters
02-08-2007, 19:56
Im glad about movement in the right direction too. But...

...we still need backups that can play now. Pato is promising, but so far - just that. He is very young, he was very expensive (20 mil for 17yo that barely knows where europe is. How much was kaka?), he is some sort of a gamble. And a gamble we'll need to wait for until january, when the damage in serieA can already be done.

BUT(2) its at least something! Thank god!

Nordahl
02-08-2007, 20:06
Agree with you, Peters. I hope we'll sign now someone like Cassano, and a new right-back wouldn't hurt too.

Tony29.
02-08-2007, 20:14
Kaka getting on the wrong bus is certainly not good news, for anyone .....
I wouldn't bet on this :grinser:

Btw, congrats for signing Pato. It's never easy to beat Real Madrid in a mercato fight so i hope you'll take it easier on uncle Fester, at least in the next 2 or 3 days :)
We can't say if it was a great deal or a failure because he's way too young. Since so many top clubs were after him than no doubts he is expected to become huge name in football and only something unexpected can stop him from becoming a household name.

Siregar
02-08-2007, 20:26
I wouldn't bet on this :grinser:

Btw, congrats for signing Pato. It's never easy to beat Real Madrid in a mercato fight so i hope you'll take it easier on uncle Fester, at least in the next 2 or 3 days :)
We can't say if it was a great deal or a failure because he's way too young. Since so many top clubs were after him than no doubts he is expected to become huge name in football and only something unexpected can stop him from becoming a household name.
Thanks Tony29 :grinser: . I agree, that's really a tough mission for Braida (and Leonardo). I wonder how much Milan must pay for the club, player and especially for Pato's agent. I just cant accept that the buy-out clause is around 9,5 mil pounds and more than half of that goes to agent(s) (and Pato, I've read).

Anyway, I need to read the more accurate confirmation in our lovely website. I still remember Suazo's case even this is much different. :)

Siregar
02-08-2007, 20:38
I just found it by coincidence in the german version of goal.com. There is a youtube that goal.com provides which shows news in Peru, I think. I dont understand the language in that youtube, so maybe anyone can confirm what that news in youtube tells about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ8vUEROQW8

The story in that goal.com is about how Bayern want to test a 13-year old boy for 1 year. But Bayern Manager, Uli Hoeneß said that the transfer is not yet completed.

Tony29.
02-08-2007, 20:42
That's nothing. Today ManUtd signed (SIGNED !!!!! ) a 9 years old who is already known as "The next Wayne Rooney"

kris
02-08-2007, 20:43
It's never easy to beat Real Madrid in a mercato fight so i hope you'll take it easier on uncle Fester, at least in the next 2 or 3 days :)

This current Real Madrid seem as incompetent as they can get. they talk talk and talk and all the players they say the WILL BUY goes somewhere else or don't move at all. so far though they managed to get another support striker, they now have Robinho, Higuain, Raul, Cassano, Baptista and Saviola for the support striker role.

Siregar
02-08-2007, 20:46
That's nothing. Today ManUtd signed (SIGNED !!!!! ) a 9 years old who is already known as "The next Wayne Rooney"
Yeah, what I've seen in that youtube, they also show (maybe compare with) the wonder kid of MU. But we dont know how they will end in next years.

Hasan Rossonero
02-08-2007, 21:11
Chill Bosniaco...all the buses more than likely looked the same, I think they would all be identical, with just a small sign on the front indicating which team was to travel on which bus.

The Russian team hosting the tournament, more than likely, just hired some buses from a tour company, and Kaka simply went on the wrong bus...this is my understanding/belief, having seen how tour-bus companies operate...recall that this tournament is in Russia..where would they find a red and black bus for Milan, and why would they go to that expense to move players and officials from the airport to their hotels?

Naah seems to me to be an honest mistake by Kaka, but one that is sure going to cause a meida frenzy in the morning...but I did warn u all this was likely to happen.

Guys this is funny, not something to get bent out of shape about. Sure AS is probably going to come up with something, but what does it matter? If Kaka is going to stay, he'll stay. If he's going to leave, he is going to leave. But have faith in the guy above. Going into the wrong bus is a journalist's dream come true, nothing more.

Also, I am pretty sure Milan didn't transport their buses to Moscow :D...so it was probably an honest mistake.

Mystik
02-08-2007, 21:12
Cassano or another striker + Pato would be ideal. Then we're fine in attack. Maybe a midfielder and a wingback and we're good to go :)

Kaka--7thUCL
02-08-2007, 21:43
Yup. I agree, don't agree with Cassano though, we do have Gila still and the always reliable Inzaghi..

hwmook
02-08-2007, 22:07
Cassano or another striker + Pato would be ideal. Then we're fine in attack. Maybe a midfielder and a wingback and we're good to go :)

actually i think we are fine in attack if we get another midfielder, we have the option to play seedorf and kaka behind a single striker in some games and kaka behind 2 strikers in others. so for me, its either a stiker or a midfielder. The next player we should move for is zambrotta, why is he still not here yet. :p017:

Hasan Rossonero
02-08-2007, 22:31
I'm going to desensitize you to the news tomorrow.

AS has a story that says Kaka, Cafu and Gattuso all went into the Madrid bus by mistake. There was laughter etc. and "oh we got the wrong bus"...then Real directors said "goodbye", and Kaka supposedly said "goodbye? see you soon!"

:ilol:

I am starting to find this funny more than anything. AS could have done a lot of things with this but this and the one they made up about Berlusconi and Kaka aren't very creative.

Anyway, just so you aren't alarmed...

:ilol:

zlatanov
02-08-2007, 22:35
I think Zambrotta is off the market for this season at least at this point in time ... unless something unforseen happens, I don't see him leaving.

Personally, I wouldn't mind a universal player like Baptista + Cannavaro, who would free Kakha for the role of a solid LB when one is needed ... and Maldini is expected to be out till October (make that November) so another CD with Serie A experience won't do us much damage.
With these two, I'd consider the team ready for the season.

Hasan Rossonero
02-08-2007, 22:47
I think Zambrotta is off the market for this season at least at this point in time ... unless something unforseen happens, I don't see him leaving.

Personally, I wouldn't mind a universal player like Baptista + Cannavaro, who would free Kakha for the role of a solid LB when one is needed ... and Maldini is expected to be out till October (make that November) so another CD with Serie A experience won't do us much damage.
With these two, I'd consider the team ready for the season.

I agree. Canna or Zambrotta would do nicely for me. Maybe one of them can come. I guess we will know about Baptista soon enough.

A question for you. Do stories like the one about Kaka and the bus ever faze you or make you angry. DO they even irritate you? I am asking because you rarely reply to them. I must say, when I first started reading AS, I thought it was a serious newspaper. When I talked to my Real supporting friends from Spain, they said it was quite simply a tabloid with some stories that were true. Until then it would get to me.

But I must say, tomorrow should be a lot of fun and unpleasant for some people.

hany.Egypt
02-08-2007, 22:48
Zaltanov why are you that enthusiastic for getting Baptista?
I dont see any thing espcial in him, and his overpriced because his Brazilian International and a Real Madrid player, so why?

Mystik
02-08-2007, 23:02
I think Zambrotta is off the market for this season at least at this point in time ... unless something unforseen happens, I don't see him leaving.

Personally, I wouldn't mind a universal player like Baptista + Cannavaro, who would free Kakha for the role of a solid LB when one is needed ... and Maldini is expected to be out till October (make that November) so another CD with Serie A experience won't do us much damage.
With these two, I'd consider the team ready for the season.
Cannavaro..? I don't think we're short on defenders(Kaladze, Simic, Nesta, Bonera) So if anything we should be looking at a younger defender...not Canna. My view on things anyway.

zlatanov
02-08-2007, 23:30
I agree. Canna or Zambrotta would do nicely for me. Maybe one of them can come. I guess we will know about Baptista soon enough.

A question for you. Do stories like the one about Kaka and the bus ever faze you or make you angry. DO they even irritate you? I am asking because you rarely reply to them. I must say, when I first started reading AS, I thought it was a serious newspaper. When I talked to my Real supporting friends from Spain, they said it was quite simply a tabloid with some stories that were true. Until then it would get to me.

But I must say, tomorrow should be a lot of fun and unpleasant for some people.
most of the time I find it amusing and that's why I don't see much point in posting on the matter, although I have to say it bugs me seeing other people get so serious about ridiculous stuff like that.
At times, however, it does get annoying reading all those fabrications and idiotic PSed photos knowing that they are being used to destabilize the relationship between Milan and Kaka in Calderon's poor attempts to resemble F. Perez' ways to attract the biggest names in football like it was a hobby.

Anyways, knowing that Silvio is at the helm of Milan and really serious about not letting Kaka go, I am not bothered a bit with the latest AS antics ... the only discomfort they cause me is that I'd have to see that there are still people out there who take them seriously :D

Zaltanov why are you that enthusiastic for getting Baptista?
I dont see any thing espcial in him, and his overpriced because his Brazilian International and a Real Madrid player, so why?
you are confusing pragmatism with enthusiasm ;)
this being said, I do agree with Milan management that there are few players who are worth going for with the big bucks and they are also the most difficult to get. What I don't really agree with is Milan's supposed understanding of what "big bucks" means as I am against paying 50-70 mil for one single player.

Apart from Etoo, Dinho, and one-two other expensive and non-transferable players, I really don't see many available options out there.

A personal favourite of mine is Mancini but roma would not let him go given that they just lost Chivu and they are doing anything to convince their fans that they have a scudetto-winning sqaud on their hands ... so, I don't see Mancini moving away from rome this summer ... maybe next year, but not now.

Quagliarela maybe but don't see him leaving Udinese this year and he does have a point when he says that what he needs now the most is regular football rather than be a half-part player at Juve or Milan.

These things aside, when you don't have many world-class alternatives on your hands, players like Baptista are the next best thing as he is young, powerful frame and pretty quick too and can play in several roles from defensive mid all the way thru center forward/target man and with the amount of games and injuries that are likely to come our way, players like that are more valuable than people realize at first glance (btw, universality is one of the two main reasons why I like Mancini).

There are a number of reasons why Baptista didn't make it at Real and Arsenal and why that may very well not mean that he will fail to impress at Milan too. He migt not be an amazing player but is better than people give him credit for and could be a very useful, utility player for us, should he arrive, especially when you consider that we have 4 other players (5 with Pato) who could play a forward's role (R9, Kaka, Pippo, Gila) so it's not like Baptista will be carrying our attack on his shoulders alone - hence what I said earlier that you are confusing pragmatism with enthusiasm :).

Furthermore, if Baptista does arrive, he will be anything but expensive beacuse Galliani has said that Milan is interested in Baptista only if he arrives on loan with a buy-out clause meaning that Milan have learned from the RO experiment and are not willing to invest even 13-14 mil in JB without first making sure that he would fit in Milan and Italy ...
so, what's not to like, we get a universal player, who has physical characteristics different than those of any other Milan player, would complete the striker department, and could play as an attacking and/or defensive mid if necessary, and all that for 2 mil now, while the rest 12 mil would be paid to Real M only if Milan is happy with how Baptista adjusts to Milan and believe he is worth keeping for 12 mil euros i.e. we'd be paying the big bucks for a sure thing.

zlatanov
02-08-2007, 23:41
Cannavaro..? I don't think we're short on defenders(Kaladze, Simic, Nesta, Bonera) So if anything we should be looking at a younger defender...not Canna. My view on things anyway.
I would want a younger defender like Zapata too but in place of simic, not Maldini.
The way I see it is that a team like Milan needs an experienced, a master defender if you wish on the squad, and with Maldini going out next summer and being a ? mark for the first half of this season too (at least), I see in canna the perfect replacement for Maldini - a master for a master.

The reason why I want canna now, from this season, is Kaladze's unreliability from a physical point of view (one season he is fine, the other constantly injured), so if he has one of those bad seasons, we are left with a not-so-hot Simic and an unexperienced Bonera at the back, not to mention Nesta's possible injuries and fatigue too ... do we really need another young and inexperienced defender too in this type of scenario? ... I am sure now you see my point. :)

Ideally, once Maldini is gone, I'd like to have Canna in his place, if Kaldze wants away, then Alex comes in, and if Simic goes away, Zapata comes in ... that would be the perfect scenario for me but from next year (and if canna come this year, even better as for the 2008/2009 season he would have already been at Milan for 1 year and thus we wouldn't have to make too many changes at the back, which is the last thing a team wants to do and I have a feeling that a year from now Simic would be let go, while Kaladze would ask to be sold, probably to Chelski)

Gabriel489
03-08-2007, 00:14
Well said about JB Zlat, I cannot agree with you more on the JB part. I had been stressing and saying it all along that JB is a not a bad player and it is a very good squad player that can help us deepen our squad. However, I will only have a problem with JB signing, if he is indeed the Superstar sigining that BErlu and Galli promises, as that is a lie.

As for Canna, well, I really think we have a chance on Canna as Real have five CB and most likely, Schuster will play with Ramos(young, good looking, local fav) and Metzelder. That would leave Canna out and Milan really should push for him as I don't think Canna is not a short term solution, as I don't see any defenders, maybe beside Terry, that is on the same par as Maldini, Nesta and Cannavaro. Rather I view Canna as a solution to Milan defense.
Who cares if Canna is 33 or 34, would age matters at all, if MIlan win every single trophies next season?

remote2book
03-08-2007, 00:39
yessssss finallly signed pato!!!!!!!!! dats great news.......investing in a young talent would help the team alot....

ARIO
03-08-2007, 01:03
Is there any news...real news linking Milan and Cannavaro guys???

schenko
03-08-2007, 01:34
pato is a gr8 deal. but definetely we must sign another striker. pato cannot make the difference now, he s too young. not enough experience.

drucurl
03-08-2007, 02:30
And now it's inter's turn to say: bye bye pato :kap:

atreides602
03-08-2007, 02:55
Finnaly , a good signing , welcome Pato , hope u become our next idol :w221:

hitmannq8
03-08-2007, 03:04
well pato's transfer has made us do alot of bye byes our selves..

the saddest good bye for me is ofcourse:

good bye sheva (white flag that i cant find) now it is for sure that we wont see you again

other byebyes are Tevez and Adriano..

kef
03-08-2007, 03:13
Pato is a great signing. He will be able to play only in january in the official games, but he will allready come to us now and train with us?
Hopefully we can loan him out or maybe he can play with our primavera team.

Maltese Charlie
03-08-2007, 03:46
Pato is a very good signing BUT for the FUTURE, don't expect a lot of great things from him this season.

Don't expect from him to be another Kaka, that after 2 months in Milan he becomes a starter.

Kaka1899
03-08-2007, 03:56
That's nothing. Today ManUtd signed (SIGNED !!!!! ) a 9 years old who is already known as "The next Wayne Rooney"
The poor boy! so hes what a tempramental primadonner of a thug that will scream in your face if you make a decision against him? sounds like a nice kid! :D

atreides602
03-08-2007, 05:56
Pato is a very good signing BUT for the FUTURE, don't expect a lot of great things from him this season.

Don't expect from him to be another Kaka, that after 2 months in Milan he becomes a starter.
Agree, next seson will be his;this seson i have a feeling it will be Ronaldo's and Gourcouf's seson. :w221:

Ghost
03-08-2007, 05:57
The poor boy! so hes what a tempramental primadonner of a thug that will scream in your face if you make a decision against him? sounds like a nice kid! :D

Hide the grannies lol

Giorgos
03-08-2007, 06:56
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rosoneri_11
03-08-2007, 06:59
Welcome Pato to Milan! Well done Milan for buying such a great talent!
Great transfer!
FORZA PATO! FORZA MILAN!




Pato is a great talent, and he can be a legend player with teamates like Ronaldo,Kaka,Seedorf,Pirlo(he will learn a lot from them).And from Milanelo of course.



:5guitar: :3band: :3band: :3band:

rosoneri_11
03-08-2007, 07:02
And now it's inter's turn to say: bye bye pato :kap:


YES, FOR SURE!!!!!! :diablo:

Arildonardo
03-08-2007, 08:01
Agree, next seson will be his;this seson i have a feeling it will be Ronaldo's and Gourcouf's seson. :w221:
The kid is only 18 years old at the start of next season, even that is normally too young to shine in Serie A. Not many players at 18 are real stars in Serie A... All I'm saying is that Pato needs time, he is a player for the future.

rossoner03
03-08-2007, 08:02
Pato is a great deal....now let's wait untill 11-12 august and see the Milan masterpiece of the summer mercato

zlatanov
03-08-2007, 08:08
The kid is only 18 years old at the start of next season, even that is normally too young to shine in Serie A. Not many players at 18 are real stars in Serie A... All I'm saying is that Pato needs time, he is a player for the future.
agree ... he is a great prospect, but if this is a great deal we'll only know in about 3-4 years from now.

Hate to cool down the enthusiasm here but 22 mil is no shabby amount for most very, very good, accomplished players out there ... for Pato to become a great deal for us at this amount, he would have to follow in the footsteps of players like Kaka, Ronaldo, Dinho, Etoo, Messi and nothing short of that.

jpick
03-08-2007, 08:47
you can look at it that way zlatanov, or you can look at it like we had to give 22M euros plus vogel for oliveira, in which case, barring pato being a complete and utter bust, it will be a steal :grinser:

zlatanov
03-08-2007, 08:52
nah, we paid 15-17 mil + Vogel for RO, so Pato is still a luxury purchase :D

Stitch
03-08-2007, 09:20
agree ... he is a great prospect, but if this is a great deal we'll only know in about 3-4 years from now.

Hate to cool down the enthusiasm here but 22 mil is no shabby amount for most very, very good, accomplished players out there ... for Pato to become a great deal for us at this amount, he would have to follow in the footsteps of players like Kaka, Ronaldo, Dinho, Etoo, Messi and nothing short of that.
i wouldn't agree

it was time for management to start taking some risks. buying 30+yo players for a few millions, or getting them on FT will come back and hunt us, at some point in time. We did that with Kaka(although I presume for a lot less money), look what we have now with him.
Today's transfer market is such, if you want to have a great player in your team you have to buy him at very young age. If you don't, some other team will, and you will not be able to buy him. As we could see in past couple of months, none of the players you mentioned are transferable.

Giorgos
03-08-2007, 09:22
St but can we relate only to the transfer of Pato for our offense. i also think that we must buy at least 2 players more....

Hasan Rossonero
03-08-2007, 09:22
Zlatanov's point is Stitch that we should indeed take risks, but even in that sense the fee is very high.

Hasan Rossonero
03-08-2007, 09:29
Starting January 2008, do people think Pato will play most games, or only be used in Coppa Italia games.

I reckon he will come on as a sub a lot his first year.

Stitch
03-08-2007, 09:32
yes, but if we could get him for less I'm sure we would. His price won't go down below what we paid for him until he is 29-30 YO barring injuries.

Perhaps we should've done like ManU does...He wouldn't cost a tenth of this amount in 1999 :grinser:

and I think he'll be a sub during his first two years at least

Mehdi
03-08-2007, 09:41
We're careful in the market. We don't sign half a dozen youngsters like Arsenal or Man United hoping one will make it. Pato's been signed because management believe he's potentially THE best player in the World. His career to date has been off the charts and he's still a child. He will not be sent out on loan. He will play from January and if he continues to develop will be a starter within 2 years.

Maltese Charlie
03-08-2007, 09:46
Zlatanov's point is Stitch that we should indeed take risks, but even in that sense the fee is very high.

In every signing there is always risks.
You can buy the best player of the world for $10 dollars and the next day the player can die with a heart attack. :grinser:

But I don't think that the risks are high regards Pato.
It is true that the sum Milan paid is a record for a 17 years old, but how many players played in a professional league with such a success at his age.
Most probable the player will do it. All the things shows that he will be a star. But he is not yet. The club must invest more on him.

He needs time, he can do some brilliant touches in a game, but don't expect to play great in all matches.

And when he is ready the profit is much higher than the risk of his investment.

jpick
03-08-2007, 09:50
nah, we paid 15-17 mil + Vogel for RO, so Pato is still a luxury purchase :D

oh, i thought it was 15M pounds, not euros +vogel

in that case, oliveira was a good deal :haha:

Ghost
03-08-2007, 09:50
I think the only youth player who I would of spent crazy amounts on would be aguero - Carlo needs to nurture Pato just like he did with Kaka, all we can do is wait.

zlatanov
03-08-2007, 09:57
i wouldn't agree

it was time for management to start taking some risks. buying 30+yo players for a few millions, or getting them on FT will come back and hunt us, at some point in time. We did that with Kaka(although I presume for a lot less money), look what we have now with him.
Today's transfer market is such, if you want to have a great player in your team you have to buy him at very young age. If you don't, some other team will, and you will not be able to buy him. As we could see in past couple of months, none of the players you mentioned are transferable.
we can't use Kaka as a justification for paying loadsof money for any youngster who attracts media attention out there - how many Kakas are there? Just one right ... we can add Messi, Dinho, and a couple of others to that list of "great prospects turned great players" but out of how many great prospects - several hundreds or even thousands over the past 5-6 years alone.

Let me show you what I meant, with figures:
the money we've paid for Pato so far is 22 mil euros ... with a salary of 2 mil for the next 5 years, by the time he is 22/23 yo i.e. more or less a formed player (in the sense that we will know if he will become great or not), that investment will grow to 30+ mil euros.
These however are years when the player will be forming himself both as a player and as a person i.e. by the time we'd have invested 30+ mil in him, we will NOT be able to reap benefits like we'd have from an established player (they, the established players, the old-bags bring you immediate return of the investment like more shirt sales, media coverage, playing a key role in winning trophies like scudetto and CL ... unlike young prospects who may take years to develope).

So, again, by the time Pato is more or less a formed player (although still 23 yo), our investment in him would be 30+ mil.
Now, in order to say that Milan has "just" cleared out their investment, his market price would have to be 30-35 mil at least ... now, tell me how many players out there have this type of price (not counting Real M's ridiculous transfers, of course)? Only a few, the very best, right ... in fact, I can count those players on the fingers of my hands.

My point is, Pato would have to be one hell of a player to have a market value of 30-35 mil and even then, this would be just enough to cover the investment Milan will have already put into his development as a player.
This is not a great deal ... this is merely a decent or so-so deal from a financial point of view.

Fort this to be a great deal, in 5, 6,7 years' time, Pato would have to be as valuable as 4 players out there right at this moment - Kaka, Messi, Dinho, C. Ronaldo (not even Drogba and Etoo cut it here) ... players for whom other clubs would pay in a heartbeat 70-80+ mil euros if they were available for transfers ... this is when an investment of 22mil now (and 30+ in 5 years time) could be called a great deal, only if Pato does turn out to be a player of Kaka's and Dinho's calibre, and what are the chances of that?

Just imagine how big the risk is and how many the IFs are to expect that a player would reach such heights after not even one whole season of professional football ... at that point in Dinho's and Kaka's careers (when they were 17 yo), clubs wouldn't have even made the move to sign them, let alone pay 22 mil for them.

So, in the end of the day, we are many IFs and IFNOTs away from being able to call this a good deal and even more IFs and IfNOTs away from calling it a great deal.

EDIT: As Tony has pointed out, Pato's net wage will be 10 mil but that means that Milan would have to pay the same amount to the state in the form of taxes, so the investment in Pato over the next 5 years will be even bigger - 22mil (transfer)+10 mil (net wage)+10mil (taxes) = 40-45 mil

Ghost
03-08-2007, 10:07
Tevez is on the verge of signing for Manchester United - to be honest they are paying too much and should of learnt their lesson after Veron.

kris
03-08-2007, 10:26
This is not a great deal ... this is merely a decent or so-so deal from a financial point of view.


The question of how good a deal was is always answered in 1-4 seasons from when it was done, in this case I would say we can see how it will pan out two years from this day.

I have a great respect for the men in Milan who authorised this, they usually know what they do. The extravagant price is due to the current market climate and since we ain't a poor club we should be to stingy about someone we want or we will always end up with none.

Maltese Charlie
03-08-2007, 10:34
we can't use Kaka as a justification for paying loadsof money for any youngster who attracts media attention out there - how many Kakas are there? Just one right ... we can add Messi, Dinho, and a couple of others to that list of "great prospects turned great players" but out of how many great prospects - several hundreds or even thousands over the past 5-6 years alone.

Let me show you what I meant, with figures:
the money we've paid for Pato so far is 22 mil euros ... with a salary of 2 mil for the next 5 years, by the time he is 22/23 yo i.e. more or less a formed player (in the sense that we will know if he will become great or not), that investment will grow to 30+ mil euros.
These however are years when the player will be forming himself both as a player and as a person i.e. by the time we'd have invested 30+ mil in him, we will NOT be able to reap benefits like we'd have from an established player (they, the established players, the old-bags bring you immediate return of the investment, unlike young prospects who may take years to develope).

So, again, by the time Pato is more or less a formed player (although still 23 yo), our investment in him would be 30+ mil.
Now, in order to say that Milan has "just" cleared out their investment, his market price would have to be 30-35 mil at least ... now, tell me how many players out there have this type of price (not counting Real M's ridiculous transfers, of course)? Only a few, the very best, right ... in fact, I can count those players on the fingers of my hands.

My point is, Pato would have to be one hell of a player to have a market value of 30-35 mil and even then, this would be just enough to cover the investment Milan will have already put into his development as a player.
This is not a great deal ... this is merely a decent or so-so deal from a financial point of view.

Fort this to be a great deal, in 5, 6,7 years' time, Pato would have to be as valuable as 4 players out there right at this moment - Kaka, Messi, Dinho, C. Ronaldo (not even Drogba and Etoo cut it here) ... players for whom other clubs would pay in a heartbeat 70-80+ mil euros if they were available for transfers ... this is when an investment of 22mil now (and 30+ in 5 years time) could be called a great deal, only if Pato does turn out to be a player of Kaka's and Dinho's calibre, and what are the chances of that?

Just imagine how big the risk is and how many the IFs are to expect that a player would reach such heights after not even one whole season of professional football ... at that point in Dinho's and Kaka's careers (when they were 17 yo), clubs wouldn't have even made the move to sign them, let alone pay 22 mil for them.

Zlat you are right with your quotes, but the chances that Pato succeed in my opinion are much bigger, and by succeed I mean he will be a very great player. I'm sure Milan did their homework well, and when they invested heavily in young talents they rarely were wrong. Examples Scheva, Van Basten and Kaka.
Milan channel started already comparing him with the great Pele, as he also shined at the age of 17.

On kaka there is already a bit of 90mls euro, and this is not the market value of his price. I'm sure if Milan ask for more they will get it, but the problem is that these players are priceless as they are not for sale.

Thi shortness of great players in the market will create a race between the clubs to grap the promising youngsters.

Like in all other markets when the demand is higher than the supply, prices will not be cheap.

zlatanov
03-08-2007, 10:35
The question of how good a deal was is always answered in 1-4 seasons from when it was done, in this case I would say we can see how it will pan out two years from this day.
that was the first point I made - we'll know how great of a deal, or not, it's in 3-4 years time when he will be a much more established player.

I have a great respect for the men in Milan who authorised this, they usually know what they do. The extravagant price is due to the current market climate and since we ain't a poor club we should be to stingy about someone we want or we will always end up with none.
I have that respect too and I have faith in them although I am sure you won't break a sweat in naming awhole bunch of failed transfers among many successful ones too ...

here we are talking about taking a risk too, nothing short of that, considering the age and little experience of a player. There are so many unknown variable involved here until Pato becomes the finished article that even the best scouting can bring us only hope, and not assurances, that Pato would meet the expectations - to become the next great thing like Kaka and Dinho and nothing short of that, hence the investment Milan has made.

There were some other factors involved here that may have forced Milan to make a more hasted decision than they usually do - all the big clubs ready to pounce on the player, all that media hype, and the desire of Milan (Silvio and Galliani) to get the next Dinho before he's moved to a big club and become "untouchable" ... that desire to outsmart the rest may have well steered Milan out of their ususal course of action, if you know what I mean.

Extravagant pricing and market climates, however, will have very little say in what player Pato will grow into ... they only make even a greater risk out of an investment.

Stitch
03-08-2007, 10:44
The question of how good a deal was is always answered in 1-4 seasons from when it was done, in this case I would say we can see how it will pan out two years from this day.

I have a great respect for the men in Milan who authorised this, they usually know what they do. The extravagant price is due to the current market climate and since we ain't a poor club we should be to stingy about someone we want or we will always end up with none.

this is a good post to quote when answering on zlat's.

You are the one who always supports our management, right? I'm one of those who curses on them often :D

I'm sure Berlu, considering how tight he is in the last couple of years, wouldn't approve the transfer if management thought there's even a little chance Pato will be a failure (do not try to use Oliveira here, it was an exception during CPoli). They did their job on him, and invested according to their low risk expectations.

and besides, transfer market inflates all the time, the best players in the world could cost 200 300 mil € by the time Pato reaches 25 :)

zlatanov
03-08-2007, 10:46
Zlat you are right with your quotes, but the chances that Pato succeed in my opinion are much bigger, and by succeed I mean he will be a very great player. I'm sure Milan did their homework well, and when they invested heavily in young talents they rarely were wrong. Examples Scheva, Van Basten and Kaka.
Milan channel started already comparing him with the great Pele, as he also shined at the age of 17.
the hype Milan Channel is throwing on Pato has very little relevence to reality, Charlie ... it's no different the rest of the media hype Pato has received.
Should he fail to meet the expectations, however, I can guarantee you the media will just find themselves another "golden boy" in less than a year and Pato will be forgotten ... very much like Robinho to Real M affair when a year later after the transfer, the only time we heard his name mentioned was when someone was listing Real M bench players.

On kaka there is already a bit of 90mls euro, and this is not the market value of his price. I'm sure if Milan ask for more they will get it, but the problem is that these players are priceless as they are not for sale.
that's the point Charlie - Pato is not one of these players, Milan wants to believe he will be but that's a big difference from him actually becoming like Kaka.
kaka is like an exception to a rule, and giving him as justification for the transfer of any young player is like believeing that just because there was one exception, there will be others to follow ... without any solid justification.

Thi shortness of great players in the market will create a race between the clubs to grap the promising youngsters.

Like in all other markets when the demand is higher than the supply, prices will not be cheap.
yeas, I perfectly understand that but after all if a transfer is a great deal is not decided by how hyped that young player is but if that player grows into a great player after some time i.e. we can only wait to see if Pato was a great move or not.

Tony29.
03-08-2007, 10:51
and besides, transfer market inflates all the time, the best players in the world could cost 200 300 mil € by the time Pato reaches 25 :)
Or they could cost 30m euro. The records from 2000 and 2001 still stand and you can now hardly see any team paying 40m euro for a player, something that happened ~10 times in 2000 and 2001.

Very good 2 posts Zlat. I just want to ask you where did you get the numbers ?
I see Milan payed 15m euro only for Pato but i can't find what are the other 7m for ( because you said it's 22m). Are all 7m for his agent ?

And his wages start at 1.2 million euro and will finish at 2 million in 2011 so in 5 years if my estimations are correct, he'll get 8m euro only from wages + all the bonuses for scored goals, made assists, wins, draws, winning a trophy. (your calculations were ok about the wages but the 7m from his price are confusing me)

Hasan Rossonero
03-08-2007, 10:54
Or they could cost 30m euro. The records from 2000 and 2001 still stand and you can now hardly see any team paying 40m euro for a player, something that happened ~10 times in 2000 and 2001.

Very good 2 posts Zlat. I just want to ask you where did you get the numbers ?
I see Milan payed 15m euro only for Pato but i can't find what are the other 7m for ( because you said it's 22m). Are all 7m for his agent ?

And his wages start at 1.2 million euro and will finish at 2 million in 2011 so in 5 years if my estimations are correct, he'll get 8m euro only from wages + all the bonuses for scored goals, made assists, wins, draws, winning a trophy. (your calculations were ok about the wages but the 7m from his price are confusing me)

22 million was in gazzetta.

Stitch
03-08-2007, 11:00
If Milan did not pay this much for Pato, I'm sure some other team would do it in a heartbeat. From a financial point of view it may not be a reasonable thing to do indeed, but looking at transfer market, it's a must if a club wants to have continued success.

zlatanov
03-08-2007, 11:00
Or they could cost 30m euro. The records from 2000 and 2001 still stand and you can now hardly see any team paying 40m euro for a player, something that happened ~10 times in 2000 and 2001.

Very good 2 posts Zlat. I just want to ask you where did you get the numbers ?
I see Milan payed 15m euro only for Pato but i can't find what are the other 7m for ( because you said it's 22m). Are all 7m for his agent ?

And his wages start at 1.2 million euro and will finish at 2 million in 2011 so in 5 years if my estimations are correct, he'll get 8m euro only from wages + all the bonuses for scored goals, made assists, wins, draws, winning a trophy. (your calculations were ok about the wages but the 7m from his price are confusing me)
basically in all sources, the amount mentioned is 22 mil euros - 14.5 for the buy-out clause goes to Internacional + 7.5 goes to the player and the agent (assuming equally divided).

Also, the latest I read on the salary is that he signed a 5 year deal worth 10 mil (I think euros) for the whole period, so roughly 2 mil/year but even if it was 10 mil US, it won't make much of a dif.

Mehdi
03-08-2007, 11:02
The question of how good a deal was is always answered in 1-4 seasons from when it was done, in this case I would say we can see how it will pan out two years from this day.

I have a great respect for the men in Milan who authorised this, they usually know what they do. The extravagant price is due to the current market climate and since we ain't a poor club we should be to stingy about someone we want or we will always end up with none.

It's not an extravagant price. He's arguably the best young player in the World, you can't expect to pay peanuts.

Tony29.
03-08-2007, 11:02
And also, i don't know for sure, but these 8-10m for the wages, are they neto or it's how much Pato will get ?
Considering the taxes, it may very well mean that Milan will have to pay 16-20m euro for his wages, not 8 or 10.

zlatanov
03-08-2007, 11:04
And also, i don't know for sure, but these 8-10m for the wages, are they neto or it's how much Pato will get ?
Considering the taxes, it may very well mean that Milan will have to pay 16-20m euro for his wages, not 8 or 10.
good point, I'm pretty sure it's the net sum i.e. how much Pato will get

Maltese Charlie
03-08-2007, 11:08
Bronzetti: 'Emerson all'Inter č cosa fatta'

16:31 del 03 agosto

L'istancabile Ernesto Bronzetti dŕ per fatto il trasferimento di Emerson in nerazzurro. "La cosa dovrebbe essere ormai fatta`, ha detto l'agente Fifa nel corso di un intervento telefonico a Radio Radio.

Bronzetti said that Emerson to Inter is a done deal.

Tony29.
03-08-2007, 11:24
Bronzetti: 'Emerson all'Inter č cosa fatta'

16:31 del 03 agosto

L'istancabile Ernesto Bronzetti dŕ per fatto il trasferimento di Emerson in nerazzurro. "La cosa dovrebbe essere ormai fatta`, ha detto l'agente Fifa nel corso di un intervento telefonico a Radio Radio.

Bronzetti said that Emerson to Inter is a done deal.
For Christ sake, what do they need him for ? I'd understand if Milan or Juve get Emerson because they don't have too much quality at DM , but Inter has Vieira and Cambiasso, plus they have another quality DM in Dacourt.

It may turn out to be very good for us if they buy him, though. He was continuously attacking Vieira and Ibra during the last season and Materazzi made it clear that Emo isn't wanted in Inter by the Inter players.

zlatanov
03-08-2007, 11:32
For Christ sake, what do they need him for ? I'd understand if Milan or Juve get Emerson because they don't have too much quality at DM , but Inter has Vieira and Cambiasso, plus they have another quality DM in Dacourt.

It may turn out to be very good for us if they buy him, though. He was continuously attacking Vieira and Ibra during the last season and Materazzi made it clear that Emo isn't wanted in Inter by the Inter players.
from this aspect, I agree that Emerson's arrival could cause quite a boumerang effect on Inter but I can't say I'd happy to see a solid player like him go there.

Still, earlier today Moratti declared inter's mercato closed and he specifically mentioned the CM role not needing any reinforcements with the presence of Vieira, Dacourt, and Cambiasso ... and I don't see a reason why he would keep a move for emerson a secret if Inter really wanted to get him.

Maybe Bronzetti was wrong about it - like in Chivu's case for his move to Barca/Real - plus his exact words were "voices/rumours here in Moscow" (or soemthing of the kind) i.e. probably he doesn't have first hand info.

Maltese Charlie
03-08-2007, 11:45
the hype Milan Channel is throwing on Pato has very little relevence to reality, Charlie ... it's no different the rest of the media hype Pato has received.
Should he fail to meet the expectations, however, I can guarantee you the media will just find themselves another "golden boy" in less than a year and Pato will be forgotten ... very much like Robinho to Real M affair when a year later after the transfer, the only time we heard his name mentioned was when someone was listing Real M bench players.

that's the point Charlie - Pato is not one of these players, Milan wants to believe he will be but that's a big difference from him actually becoming like Kaka.
kaka is like an exception to a rule, and giving him as justification for the transfer of any young player is like believeing that just because there was one exception, there will be others to follow ... without any solid justification.

yeas, I perfectly understand that but after all if a transfer is a great deal is not decided by how hyped that young player is but if that player grows into a great player after some time i.e. we can only wait to see if Pato was a great move or not.

1. No, I do not agree here.
My argument was that Milan studied this move very well by Berlusconi himself and all the other stuff including Ancellotti, who went there in person to watch him live.
My examples of players were to show you that Milan rarely failed in such transfers, and Kaka was not an exeption, even Van Basten and Scheva are considered so.
I also do not consider Milan Channel like the other Media, but the voice of Milan's officials.

2. I agree that Pato is not one of these players, and there is a certain risk.
In all type of businesses there is always risk, but the good business man is to calculate his risks and transform them into great profits.
(Something I am sure that even you agree that our Silvio is a MASTER in this field.) :grinser:

3.Yes I agree, that only time will give us assurance, and not how much hyped a player is.
But to achieve success in your business and make good deals you have to take very good calculated risks.

Maltese Charlie
03-08-2007, 11:53
Sorry mods for the double post.
Please kindly can someone delete the first one.

Nordahl
03-08-2007, 12:11
Yes I agree, that only time will give us assurance, and not how much hyped a player is.
But to achieve success in your business and make good deals you have to take very good calculated risks.

Perfect words: one cannot break big without taking some measure of risk. So the board was dead right on signing Pato, we must always act that way, investing on new talents.

Maltese Charlie
03-08-2007, 12:13
Baby fenomeni, il Bayern risponde al Manchester Utd con un tredicenne

16:01 del 03 agosto

Il Bayern Monaco ha acquistato un ragazzo di 13 anni, peruviano, Pierre Larrauri Corroy, in Sudamerica giŕ considerato un talento calcistico tanto da essere definito il 'nuovo Maradona'. Lo riferisce la Bild: "E' questo il bambino prodigio del Bayern proveniente dal Perů - titola - accanto a varie foto che mostrano il giovanissimo Pierre felice e sorridente con la maglia del Bayern.

Fenomenian Babies! Bayern responds to Man. United with a 13 year old.

Bild reported that Bayern Munich signed a 13 year old Peruvian, named Larrauri Corroy, in southamerica is already considered as a talented footballer and is called as "the new Maradona".

Graeme C
03-08-2007, 12:16
watching the psv game, we definately need another LB and a striker..

Nordahl
03-08-2007, 12:18
Like in all other markets when the demand is higher than the supply, prices will not be cheap.

Exactly, that's how economy works, onne cannot overlook that.

If you want to succeed on the highest level, you also must take the highest risk, there's no other way.

remote2book
03-08-2007, 12:19
BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!BREAKING NEWS!!!!! iam watching the psv vs milan match and just saw julio baptista standing next to the trophy with a "Bwin" sponsered tanktop on.......does dat mean he infact is mr X? and there was no other madrid player or official with him i kno "Bwin" also sponsers madrid rite? unless iam wrong......but nevertheless he is the only one and he was watching us play

Nordahl
03-08-2007, 12:19
watching the psv game, we definately need another LB and a striker..

True, Jankulovski cannot perform on the level needed by a side like ours.

remote2book
03-08-2007, 12:20
watching the psv game, we definately need another LB and a striker..
i agree!!!!!!! 110%

Nordahl
03-08-2007, 12:22
other byebyes are Tevez and Adriano..

THANKFULLY, regarding Adriano... the guy is pure TRASH, specially in terms of attitude.

Graeme C
03-08-2007, 12:22
i was more talking about serginho more than jank. He hasnt been forward hardly at all.

remote2book
03-08-2007, 12:23
its sad to see kaka......ambrosini play in a role in which they r not comftroble in .....ambro is okaying up front so is kaka so is seedorf.....clearly they link behind the striker not as one

Nordahl
03-08-2007, 12:23
Well, Serginho to me is not even a footballer anymore, he's an ex-player.

zlatanov
03-08-2007, 12:26
i was more talking about serginho more than jank. He hasnt been forward hardly at all.
it's too early to judge players - right now they are building stamina for the season ahead and performance during games is expected to suffer ... and in sergio's case, he has some catching-up to do from last season.

I agree we need some reinforcements but more in attack, and CM or CD ... the LBs that would have been an improvement over what we already have are either gone (abidal) or not available (zambrotta) or of questionable utility (heinze) so saying that we need an improvement at LB is easier said than done.

Maltese Charlie
03-08-2007, 12:32
Eto'o poteva essere juventino

Tony!! this is for you.

Go to tgcom and enjoy. :grinser:

remote2book
03-08-2007, 12:36
nerver mind abt the breaking news guys.......i guess madrid is going to play on the same ground dats y baptista was standing there..................................

Maltese Charlie
03-08-2007, 12:41
Exactly, that's how economy works, onne cannot overlook that.

If you want to succeed on the highest level, you also must take the highest risk, there's no other way.

No, with the highest risks you are more moving into a complete failure.
To succeed on the highest level you must take well calculated risks by well qualified people.

_MaJi_tz
03-08-2007, 13:02
http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/index.php?action=read&id=70212

Mercato closed-galliani

Tony29.
03-08-2007, 13:09
Eto'o poteva essere juventino

Tony!! this is for you.

Go to tgcom and enjoy. :grinser:
Not that i had any respect for tgcom, but now i've lost even the little respect i had.
If Milan (CL champs with lots of money) can not get him then how can Juve who came from serie B, won't play CL and don't have more than 15-20m euro left for transfers ( plus these money will be spent on a CD if Juve plan to buy another player) buy Eto'o ?

Chances for Juve to buy Eto'o this year are exactly ................ 0 %

peters
03-08-2007, 13:47
Mercato closed-galliani
Scudetto thrown away - peters

:grinser:

schenko
03-08-2007, 13:48
http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/index.php?action=read&id=70212

Mercato closed-galliani

no doubt about that

zlatanov
03-08-2007, 13:49
Scudetto thrown away - peters

:grinser:
don't believe everything you read - zlat :D

schenko
03-08-2007, 13:50
BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!BREAKING NEWS!!!!! iam watching the psv vs milan match and just saw julio baptista standing next to the trophy with a "Bwin" sponsered tanktop on.......does dat mean he infact is mr X? and there was no other madrid player or official with him i kno "Bwin" also sponsers madrid rite? unless iam wrong......but nevertheless he is the only one and he was watching us play

bwin are madrid's sponsors too :5nana:

Tony29.
03-08-2007, 13:54
don't believe everything you read - zlat :D
Especially if it's coming from Galliani's mouth -Tonči

peters
03-08-2007, 14:00
mine was more like if-quote-than-statement
but i also said only miracle can win us CL last year :) So dont mind me, miracles happen.

Giorgos
03-08-2007, 14:06
Especially if it's coming from Galliani's mouth -Tonči

Tony you believe Milan will make other transfers?....

hany.Egypt
03-08-2007, 14:11
Milan channel started already comparing him with the great Pele, as he also shined at the age of 17
hmmm this may be has negative effect on him IMHO, as comparing him with big names like Pele, Kaka, Ronaldo etc may put too much pressure on him, so as a result he might underperform.
Usually when a player is compered to a legend while he is too young he may feel overconfident as well as arugance,which subsequantly affect his commitment or at least the fans may expect more than what he is cabable of doing like what happened with Robinho, so that why I am not happy with that.

Tony29.
03-08-2007, 14:11
I found one interesting info..... Pato is the most expensive player coming in or out of Italy in this summer mercato (for now)

Players bought by Italian teams :

1. Alexandre Pato 22m euro (bought by Milan)
2. Christian Chivu 16m euro ( Inter)
3. Tiago Mendes 13m euro ( Juve)
4. Vincenzo Iaquinta 11.3m euro (Juve)
5. Jorge Andrade 10m euro (Juve)
6. Sergio Almiron 9m euro (Juve)
7. Mirko Vucinic 7.5m euro (Roma)

Players sold abroad

1. Rolando Bianchi 13.2m euro ( from Reggina to ManCity)
2. Luca Toni 11m euro ( from Fiorentina to Bayern)
3. Cristiano Lucarelli 8m euro ( from Livorno to Shakhtar Donieck)
4. Sulley Muntari 7m euro ( from Udinese to Portsmouth)
5. Fabio Grosso 7m euro ( from Inter to Lyon)

zlatanov
03-08-2007, 14:18
not that it makes a dif, but I think Muntari left for 10.5 mil euros or so (that 7mil is in BP, I think) and also think Grosso left for 5 mil euros.

Kaka--7thUCL
03-08-2007, 14:22
Even if Milan make other transfers who do we need.. All we lackedalst year was someone up there to score, we now have Ronaldo in good form and Pato. Not an ideal market, but I could live with it, if it were up to me I'd buy ronaldinho and canna too.

Maltese Charlie
03-08-2007, 14:27
hmmm this may be has negative effect on him IMHO, as comparing him with big names like Pele, Kaka, Ronaldo etc may put too much pressure on him, so as a result he might underperform.
Usually when a player is compered to a legend while he is too young he may feel overconfident as well as arugance,which subsequantly affect his commitment or at least the fans may expect more than what he is cabable of doing like what happened with Robinho, so that why I am not happy with that.

If these are your problems that makes you feel unhappy, consider yourself as a lucky person. My problems are much bigger. :grinser:
Just joking.

I'm sure Ancellotti is more than capable to handle these tiny things. No need to worry.

Kaka--7thUCL
03-08-2007, 14:29
[QUOTE=remote2book]BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!BREAKING NEWS!!!!! iam watching the psv vs milan match and just saw julio baptista standing next to the trophy with a "Bwin" sponsered tanktop on.......does dat mean he infact is mr X? and there was no other madrid player or official with him i kno "Bwin" also sponsers madrid rite? unless iam wrong......but nevertheless he is the only one and he was watching us play

Lol probably.. I was hoping it was ronaldinho though :mad:

Tony29.
03-08-2007, 14:30
not that it makes a dif, but I think Muntari left for 10.5 mil euros or so (that 7mil is in BP, I think) and also think Grosso left for 5 mil euros.
Probably, because i used this page and we know every fool can put info there :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Italian_football_transfers_2007-08

But you're right about Muntari, as is wikipedia. I didn't see it's pounds, not euro

Maltese Charlie
03-08-2007, 14:33
Tony ,are you sure about Luca Tony?
I had the impression it was around 20mil.

Most probably I'm getting old and my memory system suffered from a short circuit. :grinser:

Tony29.
03-08-2007, 14:37
Tony ,are you sure about Luca Tony?
I had the impression it was around 20mil.

Most probably I'm getting old and my memory system suffered from a short circuit. :grinser:
Yes, it was 11m euro, not 20m.
That's the figure reported in every media when Toni was sold

Maltese Charlie
03-08-2007, 14:55
Thanks tony for your reply!!


Cannavaro Complimenti al Milan, Pato un grande acquisto

20:08 del 03 agosto

Fabio Cannavaro, difensore del Real Madrid, si complimenta con il Milan per l'acquisto di Alexandre Pato. ''Complimenti al Milan perchč ha fatto un grande acquisto - dichiara -. E' un giocatore giovane, con grandi prospettive". Secondo il capitano della nazionale č un colpo che puň rilanciare il mercato italiano: ''Negli ultimi tempi l'Italia stava perdendo un pň di fascino ed il fatto che questi giocatori accettino societŕ come il Milan fa piacere''.

Cannavaro compliments Milan, Pato's signing is a great deal!!!!

This is just a taster for the night. Happy dreams guys. :grinser:

zlatanov
03-08-2007, 15:00
maybe another reason why Canna is speaking well about pato is because they will soon be teammates :D

Maltese Charlie
03-08-2007, 15:05
maybe another reason why Canna is speaking well about pato is because they will soon be teammates :D

That's the reason why I posted, so many members will start dreaming about Canna. :grinser:

Warro Bantan
03-08-2007, 15:14
It will be interesting to see what develops post Pato....which we can abbreviate as pP. :D

Now, pP, the players we are likely to target would be a CD and a R or L Back....I would, as would many here, opt for Zambrotta and Cannavaro...the former has recently hit out at Barca´s preseason, while the latter has just complimented us on a purchase...coincidences, or a plan by the players to indicate some level of interest in leaving their respective clubs?

Very farfetched for me to conclude anything but coincidence...but pP, those players would for me, complete the mercato for us.

schenko
03-08-2007, 15:32
as and marca don't know that we have signed Pato yesterday evening. maybe they r still hoping that Real will sign him!! poor spaniards!!!

Hitman
03-08-2007, 15:51
As I see it, we really need a 4th striker. With Ronaldo and Pippo rather injury prone, we are left with only Gilardino....
I do not expect we will sign further players this summer - besides a striker of course.

Mystik
03-08-2007, 15:53
I found one interesting info..... Pato is the most expensive player coming in or out of Italy in this summer mercato (for now)

Players bought by Italian teams :

1. Alexandre Pato 22m euro (bought by Milan)
2. Christian Chivu 16m euro ( Inter)
3. Tiago Mendes 13m euro ( Juve)
4. Vincenzo Iaquinta 11.3m euro (Juve)
5. Jorge Andrade 10m euro (Juve)
6. Sergio Almiron 9m euro (Juve)
7. Mirko Vucinic 7.5m euro (Roma)

Players sold abroad

1. Rolando Bianchi 13.2m euro ( from Reggina to ManCity)
2. Luca Toni 11m euro ( from Fiorentina to Bayern)
3. Cristiano Lucarelli 8m euro ( from Livorno to Shakhtar Donieck)
4. Sulley Muntari 7m euro ( from Udinese to Portsmouth)
5. Fabio Grosso 7m euro ( from Inter to Lyon)
We paid 22 mil for Pato!!?? Wasn't his released clause somewhere near 15 mil ? Or is that the pounds/Euro mixup affecting me.

zlatanov
03-08-2007, 16:05
We paid 22 mil for Pato!!?? Wasn't his released clause somewhere near 15 mil ? Or is that the pounds/Euro mixup affecting me.
no, the release clause was 14.7 mil euros but Milan has reportedly paid around 7.5 mil to Pato and his agent like a sign-on bonus, I guess and this make the total cost of the transfer so far 22 mil euros ... at least that's what were the figures mentioned a little before the deal was made official and a little after that.
The figure has not been officially confirmed and probably will never be.

Graeme C
03-08-2007, 16:32
i wonder if milan met with real to discuss Cassano + Cannavaro..

I wonder aswell if ronaldos and inzaghis injury are a sign of things to come.

Stitch
03-08-2007, 16:38
I wonder why they call you b.i.t.c.h. :grinser:


:zany:

Tony29.
03-08-2007, 17:42
i wonder if milan met with real to discuss Cassano + Cannavaro..

I don't know how realistic your wishes, as well as the wishes of most of the members in Juventuz.com, are to see Cannavaro in Milan/Juve next year.

One thing is that Schuster already said who are the players he's not counting on and Cannavaro isn't among them. I believe Schuster even said he counts on Canna to lead the defense and Canna himself said he's not coming back to Italy this year.
Real does have too many defenders but Schuster already said he won't count on Salgado and Helguera ( Helguera already left for Valencia, btw).
If Schuster doesn't want Salgado it means only that he already has 2 RB's . One of them is Cicinho and the other one is the one who'll actually play RB for most of the season - Sergio Ramos. This also means that we can't count Ramos as one of the CD's who'll fight for one of two places in center defense.
This way only 3 players are left in CD : Cannavaro, Pepe and Metzelder
Calderon moaned so much about Capello wanting defenders and he said he won't bring anymore defenders.
If they sell Canna they'll be left with Pepe (who's a sure starter) and Metzelder who is injury prone.

I really see no space for selling Cannavaro especially after Calderon said no more defenders will be bought !


Another thing, considering Milan, is that they'll find it even harder to take away from Real a player that is needed.
Milan says NO all the time for Kaka, Milan have beaten Real in the fight for Pato, Milan is rejecting to buy Baptista and want him only on loan. They've given you Ronaldo for almost no money etc etc etc
Maybe they are stupid but they must have some pride left. I don't think Calderon and Mijatovic will like to be the fools and losers again and give you Cannavaro. With Ronaldo it was different and it may be with Cassano , because Real doesn't actually need them.
But with Cannavaro it is another story.

Imo, Canna is staying in Real and all Milan and Juve fans can do this year is dream about signing him.

ThrusT
03-08-2007, 17:57
If Canna returns to Serie A ,I personally, can only imagine him playing for one team and that's Juventus.



Any new rumours?
Now that I have had the taste of an important signing for Milan I want more!! :grinser: :lu:

Sleep
03-08-2007, 20:32
I think Milan won't sign any big name this summer and Pato becomes transfer of the year. We will buy some young talented or sub, but not a big name. We already have 4 striker, it's enough (3 of them are famous striker, 1 is the hottest youngster). In the midfield, I think everyone here likes Gourcuff, right? If a big name (Vaart), or a quite big name come (Sneijder), Gourcuff will defintely on the bench or even out of the bench, apart from he shines as Kaka in 2004. I agree with Galliani about Gourcuff. And about the defender, if it's just for a year, we are fine. Nesta and Kaladze are no doubt 2 of the best defenders. Oddo is not too old as a defender, I believe Bonera has quality. And we have many other old defenders too. So I think this year we can be fine, but next year will be a crazily buying transfer. Maybe Galliani wants to save money (from years before) for a big summer to cheer us up :p017:

*low voice*: in fact I will be more than happy if we have Vaart or Sneijder, or both :respect:

Hasan Rossonero
03-08-2007, 21:38
Today's Gazzetta:

Galliani has declared in an interview to the paper that Pato is the Mr. X, and we have retired from negotiations with Real for Baptista.

Kaka's contract renewal is near, says Galliani, and he adds that he would never sell him, even if someone cut off his arm.

And, of course, that our market is closed.

Hasan Rossonero
03-08-2007, 21:58
This is how Gazzetta thinks we may line up next year:

----- Dida ------

----Oddo----Nesta----Kaladze----Janku-----

---- Gattuso----Pirlo----Seedorf------

---- Kaka ----- Pato------

------- Ronaldo -------

(4-3-2-1)

If we're going to play with one striker, then we don't really need another one. I still think we may need a little more Italian flavour to our team. How I would love for Zambrotta to take over Janku's spot. :D

Trequartista
03-08-2007, 22:25
WHAT??? WE BOUGHT A PLAYER UNDER 30 no UNDER 25 HOLY SH@! UNDER 20! wow!!

thankgod milan making some sense, lets get a younger defender now!

Then buy a big signing next yr when the market is more favourable!

forza milan!

Kaka--7thUCL
03-08-2007, 23:05
If we leave our summer mercato without a big signing will blow bigtime imo, I love pato, he's amazing, he's without doubt going to be a really really great forward, but
I still want a big signing, we should quickly get Quaresma or something. And Zambrotta, and a goalkeeper :)

And our market can't be closed, Galliani better be doing this for affect after we sign r10 and zamb :irritate:

mihan
04-08-2007, 00:02
Talking about risk, you know Pato was diagnosed bone cancer after a fraction at young age, Messi had hormone deficiency and almost grown into a dwarf, while Robinho had suffered malnutrition, and that why he's the faggot?

Gabriel489
04-08-2007, 01:03
I don't know how realistic your wishes, as well as the wishes of most of the members in Juventuz.com, are to see Cannavaro in Milan/Juve next year.

One thing is that Schuster already said who are the players he's not counting on and Cannavaro isn't among them. I believe Schuster even said he counts on Canna to lead the defense and Canna himself said he's not coming back to Italy this year.
Real does have too many defenders but Schuster already said he won't count on Salgado and Helguera ( Helguera already left for Valencia, btw).
If Schuster doesn't want Salgado it means only that he already has 2 RB's . One of them is Cicinho and the other one is the one who'll actually play RB for most of the season - Sergio Ramos. This also means that we can't count Ramos as one of the CD's who'll fight for one of two places in center defense.
This way only 3 players are left in CD : Cannavaro, Pepe and Metzelder
Calderon moaned so much about Capello wanting defenders and he said he won't bring anymore defenders.
If they sell Canna they'll be left with Pepe (who's a sure starter) and Metzelder who is injury prone.

I really see no space for selling Cannavaro especially after Calderon said no more defenders will be bought !


Another thing, considering Milan, is that they'll find it even harder to take away from Real a player that is needed.
Milan says NO all the time for Kaka, Milan have beaten Real in the fight for Pato, Milan is rejecting to buy Baptista and want him only on loan. They've given you Ronaldo for almost no money etc etc etc
Maybe they are stupid but they must have some pride left. I don't think Calderon and Mijatovic will like to be the fools and losers again and give you Cannavaro. With Ronaldo it was different and it may be with Cassano , because Real doesn't actually need them.
But with Cannavaro it is another story.

Imo, Canna is staying in Real and all Milan and Juve fans can do this year is dream about signing him.


Tony, agree with you as long as Calderon will not sign any defenders.
However, I do believe that Real will sign Alves at the end of the August, just a gut feelings as Alves is probably the only one that Real want and can get and will make a noise. Thats just my opinion

Maltese Charlie
04-08-2007, 01:39
La gazzetta dello Sport of today, reported yesterday's Ancellotti press conference, and one of the questions was like this:

Yes, we heard many names such as Ronaldinho, Eto, Drogba, Shevchenko, who might sign for Milan. And now we are commenting about the arrival of Pato. Isn't it enough to make Milan better?

(Ancelloti's reply)
I am satisfied. Don't forget that Eto'o, Ronaldinho, Shevchenko and Drogba, for various reasons are not for sale. Pato is a future investment.
He is not a bet and not even a risk: the talent is there, it depends on us to maximise it and he has to be ready for work and sacrifice.

(cough Zlat cough) :grinser: :grinser: :grinser:

Arjun
04-08-2007, 01:42
WHAT??? WE BOUGHT A PLAYER UNDER 30 no UNDER 25 HOLY SH@! UNDER 20! wow!!

thankgod milan making some sense, lets get a younger defender now!

Then buy a big signing next yr when the market is more favourable!

forza milan!

Thank god someone is talking sense :) I like your last statement. The market is not favourable for us to make a big splash...we tried...we tried really really hard....it didn't work out. So what? Let's move on with the squad we have and a few adjustments. We can make a big signing next summer.

I actually think we don't need any defenders. I am a big Cannavaro fan, but come on guys...we have Nesta-Maldini and I don't think we want to have Paolo playing at left back at the age of 38 in his last season. We have Jankulovski in that position. Canna is not going to accept bench time and he doesn't have more than 2-3 yrs left at the top level (already 33).

I think we need one more midfielder given that Max and Serginho are both injury prone. And the answer is a player already on our wish list - Thiago Motta. The guy is for sale for cheap, is a great player, is pretty young and will accept bench time if need be. Now THAT is being practical :) :)

Arjun
04-08-2007, 01:45
This is how Gazzetta thinks we may line up next year:

----- Dida ------

----Oddo----Nesta----Kaladze----Janku-----

---- Gattuso----Pirlo----Seedorf------

---- Kaka ----- Pato------

------- Ronaldo -------

(4-3-2-1)

If we're going to play with one striker, then we don't really need another one. I still think we may need a little more Italian flavour to our team. How I would love for Zambrotta to take over Janku's spot. :D

That makes the two of us chief....but it's not going to happen :( Zambrotta is one of my favourite players...I was bitterly disappointed when we missed out on him last year. You're right though...how sweet would a Oddo-Nesta-Maldini-Zambrotta defence look :)

peters
04-08-2007, 05:05
If i remember it right Berlu was often furious after we played with single striker previous years? No goals, boring matches... ring a bell to anyone? We can ofcourse win easily 5-0 with this lineup, but we can do it more times with 2 in front.

Ghost
04-08-2007, 05:55
Kaka's contract renewal is near, says Galliani, and he adds that he would never sell him, even if someone cut off his arm.

The best part - but is that before or after we bury him?

NAMMY
04-08-2007, 05:58
I would be very disappointed if we only buy Pato this summer, I feel all teams should take the opportunity to get at least some reinforcement. Unfortunately Milan isn't full of spritely, young supermen who can play all the time to their best ability, so we need good quality cover in all areas. It's letting the fans down to be almost arrogant regarding transfers. Man Utd (if its a fair comparison) have restrengthened, as it was clear they needed replacements for Scholes and Giggs.

Hasan Rossonero
04-08-2007, 06:58
Here is the interview with Galliani that I posted about:

http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/SerieA/Squadre/Milan/Primo_Piano/2007/08_Agosto/04/galliani.shtml

If any of you have trouble understanding feel free to ask.

Kaka1899
04-08-2007, 07:41
how can pato play alongside Kaka? i thought we have gotta wait till jan?

Hasan Rossonero
04-08-2007, 07:43
how can pato play alongside Kaka? i thought we have gotta wait till jan?

We do have to wait until January to see that.

zlatanov
04-08-2007, 08:04
Here is the interview with Galliani that I posted about:

http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/SerieA/Squadre/Milan/Primo_Piano/2007/08_Agosto/04/galliani.shtml

If any of you have trouble understanding feel free to ask.
that's a whole lot of sand in the eyes :D

With all that mud AG is throwing in the water, the only clear thing here is that Mister X will not come this summer and so that Mister X remains Mister X, Galliani is feeding the media BS about him being Pato :diablo:

And Mister X wasn't Baptista either - if you are only willing to get a player on loan, that doesn't say much about havin trust in him as a player because that's the way to treat back-up solutions, not Mister Xs :D.

I am pretty sure Mister X has remained at his old club from a city somewhere on the East coast of Spain and next summer the assault on Mister X will be renewed when the situation would be more favourable ... and who knows, maybe Mister X has asked for some time till the winter transfer period to see how things at his current club go along with the arrival of Mr. Henry ... oops, I guess I just let the secret slip out :nervous: :grinser:

prifess
04-08-2007, 08:07
so no other signings anymore this summer?

Dave
04-08-2007, 08:08
Sorry for offtopic but Mister X is armenian singer!

zlatanov
04-08-2007, 08:14
so no other signings anymore this summer?
we'll know that for sure on Sept. 1st ... until then, I refuse to believe any long legged jokes AG or whoever from Milan says in front of cameras.

Pato is still just a kid and AG and Carlo know that, chances are, he won't have an immediae impact in Milan and from their words it looks like they are getting ready to give him more time to mature by introducing him to the first team gradually, not all at once - a process that could take 1-2 years easily.

So, with Pato or without him, the fact remains - Milan has only 23 players on their squad and I don't see us starting a season with 2 empty seats on the train in a season where loads of options will be needed. Even last year, when we concentrated on CL and less so on serie A, we had 24 players at the start and 25+ at the finish.

I'd pay special attention on several players like Deco, Cannavaro, Baptista, Cassano, Emerson, and Motta ...