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NAMMY
04-08-2007, 07:16
So breaking news, we will sign someone next summer!

prifess
04-08-2007, 07:19
lol, hehhee i still hope for baptista. but still we should buy 1 extra defender and 1 extra midfielder

Graeme C
04-08-2007, 09:43
I wonder why they call you b.i.t.c.h. :grinser:


:zany:

yep

Best
in
talking
calcio
here

:grinser:

Sleep
04-08-2007, 12:08
Off topic, I am learning English, so can good goes with "in"? I thought good + at?

Hasan Rossonero
04-08-2007, 12:15
Off topic, I am learning English, so can good goes with "in"? I thought good + at?

I don't quite understand. Could you try again?

Hasan Rossonero
04-08-2007, 12:20
ALL ACROSS THE BOARD
8/4/2007 6:28:00 PM

MILAN - Ricky Kaká gave an exclusive interview to SKY Sport's microphones while in Moscow.

Also in Moscow you were the most applauded player, what do you think of this almost planetary affection?
"I like it because it's a reflection of what I've done with my team, it's a reflection of what I've done for Milan, so they know me here because I play in a winning team and we have won a lot."

In Moscow next year's Champions League final will be played, is it a sign you are here now already?
"I don't know, let's hope so. Last year we went to Athens in a group stage game and the coach said we came to size up the stadium. I don't know if this is the actual pitch where the final will be played but to come here and be able to come back a year from now would not be bad."

What feelings did that final in Athens leave behind to this day?
"To win the Champions League is a unique sensation. To me winning the Champions League is a historical achievement and that's what I like most, to leave a trace in history."

How has this summer been for you?
"I've had a good rest this summer, I went back to see some of my friends in Brazil, it was a good rest which I needed."

The rumours have been forgotten by now?
"I don't hear the rumours, I think the attitudes can be the best answer. Everyone talks, talks, but now I am here training with my team and I have future projects with this team, personal objectives, what will happen, will happen."

Do you feel like a part of history now?
"Yes let's say I feel a bit more a part of history now. I had won the league with Milan, but winning the Champions League leaves a bigger trace behind."

You mean the history of Milan or of football?
"Both, Milan's history and football history. By winning the Champions League I will remain in football history all my life, more so after being the top scorer. In Milan's history as a player who was part of a winning team and a top scorer in the Champions League."

Do you see teams stronger than Milan in Europe?
"Many teams have reinforced themselves in Europe, Barcelona, Inter who are very strong this year. But Milan always aim to win something important... Milan's shirt is very heavy."

How much baggage does it carry after a Champions League victory?
"A lot, not only for us players but also for other teams, when they see the Milan shirt on the pitch they will have a lot more respect for a team which has won the European Champions Cup 7 times."

Did this victory change your life?
"Yes it helped me a lot. One thing is to be a good player, without winning anything. But now everyone has to acknowledge I am a winner. In five years I have won everything: the World Cup, the Scudetto, the Champions League."

Is the scudetto important for this Milan side or is it a secondary thing?
"No, it's important, you have to be consistent, it's a difficult league, I think it's very important."

I left this one for last: you can choose whether to answer. Will you sign a new contract with Milan?
"Whether I will remain a Milan player for the rest of my career is up to president Berlusconi, if he says I will stay I believe him. There's already been a meeting."

He also said that no one can compete with him on an economic level...
"If he said that, I believe it."

--ac milan.com

:p017:

Sleep
04-08-2007, 12:36
For example:
I'm good AT math.
GraemeC used
"Best
in
talking
calcio
here"
So good can be used with "in" too? or "in" just to fit b.i.t.c.h :grinser:

Stitch
04-08-2007, 12:58
yep

Best
in
talking
calcio
here

:grinser:


:grinser: :5ok: +rep hehehehe :grinser:

Kaka1899
04-08-2007, 13:13
that's a whole lot of sand in the eyes :D

With all that mud AG is throwing in the water, the only clear thing here is that Mister X will not come this summer and so that Mister X remains Mister X, Galliani is feeding the media BS about him being Pato :diablo:

And Mister X wasn't Baptista either - if you are only willing to get a player on loan, that doesn't say much about havin trust in him as a player because that's the way to treat back-up solutions, not Mister Xs :D.

I am pretty sure Mister X has remained at his old club from a city somewhere on the East coast of Spain and next summer the assault on Mister X will be renewed when the situation would be more favourable ... and who knows, maybe Mister X has asked for some time till the winter transfer period to see how things at his current club go along with the arrival of Mr. Henry ... oops, I guess I just let the secret slip out :nervous: :grinser:

let me guess zlat we heard it hear first? :grinser:

hwmook
04-08-2007, 13:20
For example:
I'm good AT math.
GraemeC used
"Best
in
talking
calcio
here"
So good can be used with "in" too? or "in" just to fit b.i.t.c.h :grinser:

good in or good at depend on the subject. For example you can be good at talking but you can't be good in talking because talking is not something you can be inside. at is usually used before a skill/ability etc. you can be good in class but not good at class because class is place/group/thing etc.

Hasan Rossonero
04-08-2007, 15:25
For example:
I'm good AT math.
GraemeC used
"Best
in
talking
calcio
here"
So good can be used with "in" too? or "in" just to fit b.i.t.c.h :grinser:

I see.

Ok, I will try my best. As you know "at" and "in" are prepositions, and so is "with". If something is right after an adjective, then you have to decide which preposition fits best. So, for example, I am good at math. Ok, good here is an adjective. Now you have to decide whether to use "with", "in" or "at". With describes a relationship with something or someone. Like I am angry with Calderon. "In" is used for a place normally (like in the house). But after an adjective like good, bad, hopeless etc. you use at. Like I am good AT math, or I am good AT doing math (so, I am good at NOUN, or I am good at DOING SOMETHING to put it more generally).

So for example, Best AT talking calcio here would be correct, and so your suspicions have been confirmed.

Of course, using "in" makes perfect sense, and we all may do it, but if one wants to be precise (and pedantic) then those are the rules, to the best of my knowledge.

Does that make sense?

Kaka1899
04-08-2007, 15:33
I see.

Ok, I will try my best. As you know "at" and "in" are prepositions, and so is "with". If something is right after an adjective, then you have to decide which preposition fits best. So, for example, I am good at math. Ok, good here is an adjective. Now you have to decide whether to use "with", "in" or "at". With describes a relationship with something or someone. Like I am angry with Calderon. "In" is used for a place normally (like in the house). But after an adjective like good, bad, hopeless etc. you use at. Like I am good AT math, or I am good AT doing math (so, I am good at NOUN, or I am good at DOING SOMETHING to put it more generally).

So for example, Best AT talking calcio here would be correct, and so your suspicions have been confirmed.

Of course, using "in" makes perfect sense, and we all may do it, but if one wants to be precise (and pedantic) then those are the rules, to the best of my knowledge.

Does that make sense?

im English and you have totally lost me :grinser:

Tony29.
04-08-2007, 16:52
Interesting words from the man himself, Luciano Moggi :

The power house is now in Milano. Inter will win the Scudetto in the next 4 years !

Kaka1899
04-08-2007, 16:57
Interesting words from the man himself, Luciano Moggi :

The power house is now in Milano. Inter will win the Scudetto in the next 4 years !
has he arranged that for them?

sorry i couldnt resist! :D

ThrusT
04-08-2007, 17:54
Interesting words from the man himself, Luciano Moggi :

The power house is now in Milano. Inter will win the Scudetto in the next 4 years !
Why does he always bring himself down like that?
He should be the last one pointing a finger at another team.

Tony29.
04-08-2007, 18:52
Why does he always bring himself down like that?
He should be the last one pointing a finger at another team.
I think he didn't want to say that Inter will win by cheating because when he said Inter will win for 4 more years he added that Inter made a super team by adding Ibrahimovic and Vieira. Moggi was saying that Inter is the best team right now and the others ( here he meant more Juve than Milan) don't stand a chance against Inter.

Moggi was actually criticizing Juve's board because they didn't defend Juventus and let them go to serie B and was criticizing them for selling Ibra and Vieira to Inter, smthg he would have never done.

I think what he really wanted to say was....with these new guys leading Juve the power house is no longer (and will not be in near future) in Torino but is in Milano.
You know.... I was so good and better than everyone while these *******s who left me when it was tough have no idea what they are doing.

Sleep
04-08-2007, 21:05
Thank you very much Hasan Rossonero for your detailed explanation. I'm always confused with prepositions.

Thank you too hwmook.


Interesting words from the man himself, Luciano Moggi :

The power house is now in Milano. Inter will win the Scudetto in the next 4 years !
I don't like Inter but I must say they have the deepest squad right now. With that squad they can conquer all of Champion League, Scudeto, Coppa Italia. knock-out is always something dangerous but with a long run like Scudeto, they have the biggest chance. But biggest chance doesn't mean they will surely win the Scudeto. Winning when you are not the most favourite team is always cooler:D.

Nordahl
04-08-2007, 23:41
Unfortunatelly that's a true statement...

AC Milan has an excellent first team, but we really lack squad depth... :-(

Kaka--7thUCL
04-08-2007, 23:44
has he arranged that for them?

sorry i couldnt resist! :D

Rofl.

I don't get what he said though:P Inter is going to win the schudetto in the next 4 years meaning they'll win it eventually in the next 4 yrs or consitantly in the next 4 years? If he's talking about inter winning 4 yrs straight he must have completely lost his mind or hasn't heard of ac milan.

And I can't accept the reality of inter being better then milan. I don't understand another thing, which is why would Berlusconi let this go? Why wouldn't he go all out this summer mercato? He skipped over so many players.. Unlike inter whom just take who ever they can get.. And no, inter won't win it all, I know one thing is for sure, there a very uncapable squad when it comes to UCL. Besides, I still see nothing of amazement in Inter. With adriano, no better the Gilardino right now (imo) , ibrahimovich who is a ant in the distance compared to kaka, and Vieira who has nothing on pirlo at all, I don't see who else you can say they have better then milan does?? Maybe just be not accepting the reality of things, but imo Milan is a much better club now and always.

Kaka--7thUCL
05-08-2007, 00:05
And if we were to get an lb and a mid right now we'd probably destroy inter.. If not, to bad 4 me.. My best friend is an inter fan, think thats enough already to despise them..

prifess
05-08-2007, 03:33
well inter have a very good squad. they just don't have the team spirit like milan.
but if milan won't change their transfer policy i fear the worst.

there will be a collective retirement in milan so milan should already buy a new squad. starting with buying now a few +- young players.

inter have youth + expierence.

and idd i don't see inter winning the scudetto for 4 years.

peters
05-08-2007, 05:31
i think he meant inter will be close to scudetto every season for at least next 4 years and i agree with him. In recent years there was juve and milan fighting for the top, then roma and inter fighting for places for CL (or roma with milan, juve with inter). Now juve has weak squad, roma can hold it over the season and same goes for milan. Inter has a big chance... if they dont make mistakes. Last year they didnt and they won comfortably, but ist not certain they wont do mistakes this year. We're talking about inter after all :D

prifess
05-08-2007, 11:04
ok yeah you're right. but we will all see at the start of the competition what will happen.

now on topic: any new about future transfers ?

Tony29.
05-08-2007, 11:22
now on topic: any new about future transfers ?
This isn't about player coming to Milan but about a player who, according to some newspapers, eventhough Ancelotti denied it, was close to Milan.

One of Boca Juniors directors said that Riquelme to Boca is a done deal and the transfer will be official in less than 10 days. But it will again be a lone deal.

Il sogno dei tifosi della "Bombonera" si sta avverando, Juan Román Riquelme è vicinissimo al ritorno in Argentina, come confermato da Juan Carlos Crespi, uno dei massimi dirigenti del Boca Juniors: "Riquelme giocherà con noi, non ci sono dubbi e molto presto, in meno di dieci giorni, sarà ufficializzato il trasferimento". La formula prevista è ancora una volta quella del prestito, visto che la cifra richiesta dal Villareal per la cessione di Riquelme, è fuori dalla portata del club argentino.

Rob ACM
05-08-2007, 12:31
It sounded to me as if Moggi was making an accusation towards inter. Saying that inter were as guilty as any others teams. When he made the statement about how no inter phone calls were tapped.

So i'm not so sure that when he said the power base was now in Milan that he only meant the fact that inter had the strongest team (ibra and vieira) but a little more than that.

Also it was interesting to hear him say that the leak was from within Juventus, because of a power struggle within the Agnelli family . :sweeteye:

Graeme C
05-08-2007, 12:56
well inter have a very good squad. they just don't have the team spirit like milan.
but if milan won't change their transfer policy i fear the worst.

there will be a collective retirement in milan so milan should already buy a new squad. starting with buying now a few +- young players.

inter have youth + expierence.

and idd i don't see inter winning the scudetto for 4 years.

yeah If Milan doesnt invest i cant see us really challanging for the title for a while. This is something a few of us have been hinting at for a while. Next summer is looking like a big exit with Cafu, Serginho, Favalli, fiori, and with the possibility of Maldini and Inzaghi both retiring. This excludes adding more depth to the the squad which we havent done for a while. We could be looking at another clearout at the end of this season if we dont win anything. If we bought 3 players this season, we would only need 3 more next season. Not like 6 next summer.

Pato is good, but is very young and inex-experienced. Not a guaranteed big goal scorer which we have been needing since we lost sheva. Our wing backs have only been improved by Oddo, but we need more options (that being younger fasters players).

I heard that alot of fans were trying to protest this today as Pato arrived in Milan. Although i do moan a bit, i agree with them a 100%. Is it only the fans that can see how other teams have been reinforced, and we havent?

History repeats itself, year 2000 we only signed Redondo after fans protested that we needed reinforcements. The management then was wrong, and a year later we had a clearout.

hwmook
05-08-2007, 13:30
yeah If Milan doesnt invest i cant see us really challanging for the title for a while. This is something a few of us have been hinting at for a while. Next summer is looking like a big exit with Cafu, Serginho, Favalli, fiori, and with the possibility of Maldini and Inzaghi both retiring. This excludes adding more depth to the the squad which we havent done for a while. We could be looking at another clearout at the end of this season if we dont win anything. If we bought 3 players this season, we would only need 3 more next season. Not like 6 next summer.


Fiori---replacement? We have like 4 keepers now and 2 keepers out on loan.
Serginho---He has already been replace by Favalli last season when he was injuried for long period.
Favalli----Maybe Grimi would replace him after he is back from loan. If we manage to get a good LB then janku will become his replacement instead.
Cafu----we need a replacement for him else simic will be become the reserve RB while we get another CB.
Maldini---Even without maldini, we don't lack players as CB with Nesta, Bonera, Kaladze and Simic.
Inzaghi---Pato is incoming and we might still be going after Ronaldinho and the like if we don't get them this year.

The way i see it, we only need 2-4 players even if we don't get anymore player this year. Its certainly not like you make it out to be, we don't need to get another 6 players.

Giorgos
05-08-2007, 14:05
Graem how many times i said that we need players? you can see my statements in this forum. Sheva is injured? because he didn't play for Community shield against Manchester United.

prifess
05-08-2007, 14:58
hwmook:
ambrossini????
gattuso????
brocchi????
seedorf?
and u say for maldini : bonera, nesta, kala, simic

well simic is old, nesta is old, kala is old

we still have:
-ronaldo
-bonera
-grimi
-dingao
-pirlo
-kaka
-gourcuff
-willy
-gila
-pato
-dida (old GK is not bad)

so where is bench??? where is midfield? where is defence
I dont think we can hold with bonera and grimi....
our attack is safe for another 10 years: but the rest :| we should invest badly

----------dida------
RB?------bonera -----DC?------grimi
pirlo
----midfield?---groucuff-----
---------kaka---------
-----pato------gila

bench:
ronaldo and willy

we should really consider this protest and don't be blind and think our players can competite when they are 35YO

prifess
05-08-2007, 15:00
baptista considers milan again. since he is not part off the first team. he has plce on bench but he won't do that...

I hope we get em: 12mil£ isn't that much for him.
sign this 1


"Baptista reconsiders Rossoneri Sunday 5 August, 2007

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Julio Baptista is reconsidering a move to Milan after it became clear he was not going to get first team football at Real Madrid.

The Brazilian spent last season on loan at Arsenal and was determined to avoid another temporary spell overseas.


Milan have confirmed their interest in the player, although they only want to take him on loan with an option to buy rather than spend the requested £12m.


However, it is reported this weekend that Baptista has changed his mind after pre-season friendlies showed new Real boss Bernd Schuster is not counting on him to be a key figure.


“For the moment Julio Baptista is training with the team and is a Real Madrid player,” said Schuster. “The directors and I want to do what is best for the club.”


This would suggest a transfer is on the cards and Milan are in pole position, even though general manager Adriano Galliani stated that Alexandre Pato’s arrival has closed the transfer market.


Baptista made an impact in Brazil’s Copa America winning campaign this summer, scoring a sensational goal in the 3-0 Final victory over Argentina.""


source: channel4

Hasan Rossonero
05-08-2007, 15:02
yeah If Milan doesnt invest i cant see us really challanging for the title for a while. This is something a few of us have been hinting at for a while. Next summer is looking like a big exit with Cafu, Serginho, Favalli, fiori, and with the possibility of Maldini and Inzaghi both retiring. This excludes adding more depth to the the squad which we havent done for a while. We could be looking at another clearout at the end of this season if we dont win anything. If we bought 3 players this season, we would only need 3 more next season. Not like 6 next summer.

Pato is good, but is very young and inex-experienced. Not a guaranteed big goal scorer which we have been needing since we lost sheva. Our wing backs have only been improved by Oddo, but we need more options (that being younger fasters players).

I heard that alot of fans were trying to protest this today as Pato arrived in Milan. Although i do moan a bit, i agree with them a 100%. Is it only the fans that can see how other teams have been reinforced, and we havent?

History repeats itself, year 2000 we only signed Redondo after fans protested that we needed reinforcements. The management then was wrong, and a year later we had a clearout.

Ronaldo is that replacement. Even in the little time he had he did well.

As for the fans protesting, I think it's unbelievably boorish, not to mention completely rude towards Pato.

prifess
05-08-2007, 15:09
it is not to be rude towards pato. it is towards the management.
they should give the suporters more then what they give.

the management is full of blahblahblah but at the end we sign 1 players.
they all have dreams that just won't happen. they just do what publicity does on TV: selling their product. ex: trying to buy ronaldinhio

Tony29.
05-08-2007, 15:52
I think no one mentioned this :

Juve, Inter e Milan corteggiano Makelele

15:30 del 05 agosto

Claude Makelele, nonostante i 34 anni suonati, resta un giocatore molto appetito, secondo l'autorevole quotidiano transalpino L'Equipe, dopo la Juventus, anche l'Inter e il Milan vorrebbero ingaggiare l'esperto mediano, che però avrebbe ricevuto anche una proposta di rinnovo da parte di Peter Kenyon, il direttore esecutivo del Chelsea. Il tecnico Mourinho lo ritiene ancora importante, pur non potendogli garantire un posto da titolare

After Juventus who, as reported, are after Claude Makelele, Milan and Inter also joined the race for the 34yo Frenchman. Chelsea also offers him a contract extension
(L'Equipe)

---------------
So, would you like Makelele in Milan ?
I know Mrki likes him and i also wouldn't mind having him in my team.

zlatanov
05-08-2007, 16:00
provided that Emerson doesn't have some chronic injury, I'd take him over Makelele anyday, anyplace.

Emerson is 3 years younger, knows serie A inside out (especially on the inside thanks to Moggi :D), has better ball distribution, as tough defensively as the Frenchman, and unlike the franchman is a danger in the air and possesses a powerful shot (has scored quite a few goals that way for Juve and Roma).

take that, mrki :grinser:

Mehdi
05-08-2007, 16:01
I think no one mentioned this :

Juve, Inter e Milan corteggiano Makelele

15:30 del 05 agosto

Claude Makelele, nonostante i 34 anni suonati, resta un giocatore molto appetito, secondo l'autorevole quotidiano transalpino L'Equipe, dopo la Juventus, anche l'Inter e il Milan vorrebbero ingaggiare l'esperto mediano, che però avrebbe ricevuto anche una proposta di rinnovo da parte di Peter Kenyon, il direttore esecutivo del Chelsea. Il tecnico Mourinho lo ritiene ancora importante, pur non potendogli garantire un posto da titolare

After Juventus who, as reported, are after Claude Makelele, Milan and Inter also joined the race for the 34yo Frenchman. Chelsea also offers him a contract extension
(L'Equipe)

---------------
So, would you like Makelele in Milan ?
I know Mrki likes him and i also wouldn't mind having him in my team.

He's a good back up for Gattuso and Ambrosini and still a lot better than that filthy Juventino Emerson. The difference between them? Makelele tackles, Emerson fouls. On the downside Makelele can't pass the ball more than 5 yards.

Tony29.
05-08-2007, 16:04
He's a good back up for Gattuso and Ambrosini and still a lot better than that filthy Juventino Emerson. The difference between them? Makelele tackles, Emerson fouls. On the downside Makelele can't pass the ball more than 5 yards.
Take this, Zlat :D

remote2book
05-08-2007, 16:21
lets get BAPTISTA....he can play either as a striker or attacking mid rigght..

zlatanov
05-08-2007, 16:26
Take this, Zlat :D
he is only sayiung it cause he hates Emerson from his Juve days, like most people here.

take that Tony :zany:
:diablo:

ACMILAN1983
05-08-2007, 16:35
hwmook:
ambrossini????
gattuso????
brocchi????
seedorf?
and u say for maldini : bonera, nesta, kala, simic

well simic is old, nesta is old, kala is old

we still have:
-ronaldo
-bonera
-grimi
-dingao
-pirlo
-kaka
-gourcuff
-willy
-gila
-pato
-dida (old GK is not bad)

so where is bench??? where is midfield? where is defence
I dont think we can hold with bonera and grimi....
our attack is safe for another 10 years: but the rest :| we should invest badly

----------dida------
RB?------bonera -----DC?------grimi
pirlo
----midfield?---groucuff-----
---------kaka---------
-----pato------gila

bench:
ronaldo and willy

we should really consider this protest and don't be blind and think our players can competite when they are 35YO

Ambro has just reached his peak and has a couple of years minimum in him. Rino hasn't shown any sign of ageing either, so again has at least a couple of years. Brocchi isn't someone we use regularly and so his age becomes less of an issue and Seedorf already has his future replacement in a 21 yr old Frenchman called Gourcuff.

Simic, like Brocchi is a squad player (and quite far down the pecking order). Nesta is 31 which is a peak age for a defender (and with the national team done with, he'll be at best condition for Milan for at least 3-4 years). Kala is 29 and has a year or two before he'll be at his best at CB and Bonera is young (27 I think) and has a pretty bright future considering last season's form.

That's without considering the youth players like Darmian (those who read my posts will know I have high hopes for him personally and clearly so do management), Di Gennaro, Antonelli and Aubameyang. Many of these players are still under 20 whilst most players from Italy have a tendency to develop and reach fame later than players of other nations. Let's at least see where they are in 3 years when they'll all be around Gourcuff's age now.

I've also given a response to Tony some pages back with regards to our squad depth now, which is actually pretty strong. In the next 4-5 years, most of the players we have now will still be of value to the side/squad, with some fresh faces which will be gathered in the next few years.

Looking ahead 10 years? Do you seriously think any club in football will have planned out which players they'll have in 10 years? That would mean back when MVB, Gullit, Rijkaard, Baresi, Savicevic and Donadoni were still playing the management had already planned getting Shevchenko, Pirlo, Rino, Seedorf and Kaka (note how many of these had actually even made any sort of news back in the mid 90s).

It seems to me people seem to want us to buy youngsters to try and secure our future, when in reality the football world is too unpredictable to do that. We have a number of possibilities for the future and that is the most we can do. If they fail, we have to look to open our cheque book and spend a little on a proven player. Paolo Maldini's do not come along often.

edit: and please at least try to spell the players' names correctly.

Mehdi
05-08-2007, 16:43
he is only sayiung it cause he hates Emerson from his Juve days, like most people here.

take that Tony :zany:
:diablo:

That's not the ONLY reason I'm saying him. He was awful for Brazil at the last World Cup and awful at Real Madrid.

Tony29.
05-08-2007, 16:45
he is only sayiung it cause he hates Emerson from his Juve days, like most people here.

take that Tony :zany:
:diablo:
I'd also take Emo over Makelele and it has nothing to do with Emerson playing for Juve 2 seasons ago ( but i'd chose him mostly because of the age difference, tbh. Because Makelele is also a beast).
Emerson is still among the best for filter work. Even though his face says otherwise, he's very intelligent and is always at the right place to protect the defense.
And Mehdi, saying that Emerson fouls and doesn't tackle can't be more far from the truth. Look at his bookings record wherever he played. Yes, normally, like every single DM, he has to make fouls during the match but winning as many balls and intercepting so many passes is due his experience and intelligence, not because he plays dirty (Vieira and Gattuso play much more dirty than Emo)

Those who know football will say that he's slow and useless. Those who know nothing about football, like Capello or Moggi, pay 20m euro for him, or the most ignorant of them all, Ancelotti, is praising him and is saying that Emo would be very useful and now another one who knows nothing, Mancini, wants him in Inter.

Tony29.
05-08-2007, 16:48
That's not the ONLY reason I'm saying him. He was awful for Brazil at the last World Cup and awful at Real Madrid.
Are you kidding me here ?

Emerson was maybe Brazil's best player on the WC !
Compare Brazil with Emerson (until the quarters) and without Emerson ( in the quarter against France)
Do you remember what happened to Brazil when Emerson didn't play? They were practically raped in midfield.
I'm 100% sure that wouldn't have happened if Emerson played vs France

edit : And i think you should have written "NOT" with capital letters, not "only"
:)

zlatanov
05-08-2007, 16:51
That's not the ONLY reason I'm saying him. He was awful for Brazil at the last World Cup and awful at Real Madrid.
eventhough he wasn't in top shape, without him Brazil's center mid was easily overpowered in the center. Actually, he was one of the better players for them.
Not to mention that pretty much the whole brazil NT had an awful WC, while Kaka's was decent at best.

As for being bad at Real, lots of players weren't any better over there either, Cannavaro to mention one, followed by Diarra and a ton of others, which would suggest there was something else going on there that prevented many quality players show their best side.

Mehdi
05-08-2007, 16:54
I'd also take Emo over Makelele and it has nothing to do with Emerson playing for Juve 2 seasons ago ( but i'd chose him mostly because of the age difference, tbh. Because Makelele is also a beast).
Emerson is still among the best for filter work. Even though his face says otherwise, he's very intelligent and is always at the right place to protect the defense.
And Mehdi, saying that Emerson fouls and doesn't tackle can't be more far from the truth. Look at his bookings record wherever he played. Yes, normally, like every single DM, he has to make fouls during the match but winning as many balls and intercepting so many passes is due his experience and intelligence, not because he plays dirty (Vieira and Gattuso play much more dirty than Emo)

Those who know football will say that he's slow and useless. Those who know nothing about football, like Capello or Moggi, pay 20m euro for him, or the most ignorant of them all, Ancelotti, is praising him and is saying that Emo would be very useful and now another one who knows nothing, Mancini, wants him in Inter.

Like that other dirty Juventino bastard (Cannavaro) the only reason Emerson was effective at Juventus is because they had the refs in their pockets so he could foul all day and get away with it. If he's not good enough for Real Madrid he's not good enough for us.

Mehdi
05-08-2007, 16:55
eventhough he wasn't in top shape, without him Brazil's center mid was easily overpowered in the center. Actually, he was one of the better players for them.
Not to mention that pretty much the whole brazil NT had an awful WC, while Kaka's was decent at best.

As for being bad at Real, lots of players weren't any better over there either, Cannavaro to mention one, followed by Diarra and a ton of others.

Diarra was phenomenal for Real Madrid in the last few months of the season and along with RVN, Beckham and Robinho one of the main reasons they won the league.

Mehdi
05-08-2007, 16:57
Are you kidding me here ?

Emerson was maybe Brazil's best player on the WC !
Compare Brazil with Emerson (until the quarters) and without Emerson ( in the quarter against France)
Do you remember what happened to Brazil when Emerson didn't play?

Yes, they won the World Cup in 2002.

zlatanov
05-08-2007, 17:04
Diarra was phenomenal for Real Madrid in the last few months of the season and along with RVN, Beckham and Robinho one of the main reasons they won the league.
Diarra and Robiho improved in the last 10 games or so before that they were just plain bad ... and they didn't win the title, Barca handed it to them.
Emerson, however, had issues in the dressing room being considered Cappelo's boy and it was obvious there was more to his bad spell at Madrid than lack of ability ... also, he had some injury problems and that didn't help his cause either.

Mehdi
05-08-2007, 17:09
Diarra and Robiho improved in the last 10 games or so before that they were just plain bad ...


It was enough to win the league.

and they didn't win the title, Barca handed it to them.

Same difference.


Emerson, however, had issues in the dressing room being considered Cappelo's boy and it was obvious there was more to his bad spell at Madrid than lack of ability ... also, he had some injury problems and that didn't help his cause either.

He's past it. He was rubbish in his last two seasons at Juventus. I hope he ends up at Inter so Materazzi can give him a good kicking in training.

Tony29.
05-08-2007, 17:09
Like that other dirty Juventino bastard (Cannavaro) the only reason Emerson was effective at Juventus is because they had the refs in their pockets so he could foul all day and get away with it. If he's not good enough for Real Madrid he's not good enough for us.
Ok, you must be right, especially about Cannavaro.
Damn refs made him look so effective at the WC

P.S : Why is Cannavaro a Juventino and not an Interista ? And why is Emerson Juventino and not a Romanista ?

Is Inzaghi also a Juventino :rolleyes:
Is Pirlo an Interista :rolleyes:


Diarra was phenomenal for Real Madrid in the last few months of the season and along with RVN, Beckham and Robinho one of the main reasons they won the league.
Diarra is a very good player and atm is much better than Emerson but it's a fact that he had awful 7 months in Real and he lost his place to Emerson. In the last 5-6 matches the opposite happened.


Yes, they won the World Cup in 2002.
True, they also won it in 1958 without Emerson.
Your logic sucks in this case.
Kaka didn't play, except for few minutes in a meaningless group match, in 2002.
Woooooooow, so that's why the won it in 2002 and didn't in 2006.

You fail to see the big picture. Don't you think there is a reason Capello, Ancelotti, Mancini and all the Brazilian coaches wanted Emerson ?
But that's why you're whoever you are and they are leading the best teams in the world.

Giorgos
05-08-2007, 17:13
Diarra and Robiho improved in the last 10 games or so before that they were just plain bad ... and they didn't win the title, Barca handed it to them.
Emerson, however, had issues in the dressing room being considered Cappelo's boy and it was obvious there was more to his bad spell at Madrid than lack of ability ... also, he had some injury problems and that didn't help his cause either.

Just excuses... i am a fan of Madrid also and Emerson was so slow that when he was substituded , Real Madrid was starting to pass quicker and to create chanses. For Brazil also (because i am a fan of them after us) i don't remember how he performed to say the truth. I don't want him in Milan not because he played for Juve, but you never know his experiences in Serie A may help him. One thing by sure we need more players, i was watching Lyon-Auxerre 2-0, Grosso wasn't still fit but he made some good efforts. I also watvh Pasquale against AEK, he wasn't bad, we need a LB, Janku is LM :5ok: .

Mehdi
05-08-2007, 17:23
Ok, you must be right, especially about Cannavaro.
Damn refs made him look so effective at the WC

No that would be Materazzi.


P.S : Why is Cannavaro a Juventino and not an Interista ? And why is Emerson Juventino and not a Romanista ?

Is Inzaghi also a Juventino
Is Pirlo an Interista

I have no problems with Inter, never have and never will. Inter have not cheated us out of scudettos. As for Inzaghi I will always be grateful to him for missing the chances in 2000 that handed the scudetto to Lazio.


Diarra is a very good player and atm is much better than Emerson but it's a fact that he had awful 7 months in Real and he lost his place to Emerson. In the last 5-6 matches the opposite happened.

How did Diarra lose his place when he played in 33 out of 38 league games?


True, they also won it in 1958 without Emerson.
Your logic sucks in this case.

No it doesn't. You asked remember what happened to Brazil when Emerson didn't play? He's not as good as you think he is. Brazil are a better team without him. He's slow and he makes too many fouls. He can't tackle, he just kicks people and gets away with it because of the colour of the shirt he wears.


You fail to see the big picture. Don't you think there is a reason Capello, Ancelotti, Mancini and all the Brazilian coaches wanted Emerson ?
But that's why you're whoever you are and they are leading the best teams in the world.

Because he's good BACK-UP for Vieira, Cambiasso, Gattuso and Ambrosini.

Mehdi
05-08-2007, 17:27
Just excuses... i am a fan of Madrid also and Emerson was so slow that when he was substituded , Real Madrid was starting to pass quicker and to create chanses. For Brazil also (because i am a fan of them after us) i don't remember how he performed to say the truth.

Exactly. Like you and unlike most people here I actually saw a lot of Real Madrid last season.

Tony29.
05-08-2007, 17:40
No that would be Materazzi.
Of course. And before Materazzi it was Nesta, right ?



I have no problems with Inter, never have and never will. Inter have not cheated us out of scudettos. As for Inzaghi I will always be grateful to him for missing the chances in 2000 that handed the scudetto to Lazio.
This makes your view 100% biased ;)

And remember....you don't hate the ones who are weaker than you. You hate only those who are better.
No wonder Juventus fans didn't hate anyone until last year and now they all hate Inter with passion


How did Diarra lose his place when he played in 33 out of 38 league games?
My mistake
He was so bad and invisible i thought he didn't play



No it doesn't. You asked remember what happened to Brazil when Emerson didn't play? He's not as good as you think he is. Brazil are a better team without him. He's slow and he makes too many fouls. He can't tackle, he just kicks people and gets away with it because of the colour of the shirt he wears.
So he plays only for teams that get help from the refs ? Emerson was getting away with his fouls because Levercusen, Roma, Juve, Real and Brazil were protected by the refs ?

I'll tell you again.
Brazil had no problems defensively whenever Emerson played and they had bunch of them when he didn't.
Emerson is the one you need in big matches. He's not gonna give the fans good football and that's why no one likes his way of play ( myself included). But when Milan will play big matches and when Ambrosini will be sidelined because of injury, like it usually happens with him, you'd want Emerson to partner Gattuso, not Brocchi.



Because he's good BACK-UP for Vieira, Cambiasso, Gattuso and Ambrosini.
Exactly
What i was saying since the moment Milan was after Emerson was that Milan will need a quality 3rd DM
Emerson can no longer be a regular, neither can Makelele for the bigger part of the season. But he can still give you the stability in midfield and you'd want to have him in your team more than Brocchi when one of the regular DM's are injured.
There was clearly a misunderstanding between us. I never said Milan needs Emerson in the starting line-up all the time. But for a 3rd or even a 2nd DM, he's gonna be better than anyone else out there.

Gattuso got injured against ManUtd at Old Trafford and Brocchi took his place in last 20 or so minutes. You remember the mistake Brocchi made that led to the 3rd goal for ManU ?
Well, if you had Emerson to replace Gattuso chances are 99.99% that Emerson wouldn't have made a mistake.

Hasan Rossonero
05-08-2007, 17:57
Just excuses... i am a fan of Madrid also and Emerson was so slow that when he was substituded , Real Madrid was starting to pass quicker and to create chanses. For Brazil also (because i am a fan of them after us) i don't remember how he performed to say the truth. I don't want him in Milan not because he played for Juve, but you never know his experiences in Serie A may help him. One thing by sure we need more players, i was watching Lyon-Auxerre 2-0, Grosso wasn't still fit but he made some good efforts. I also watvh Pasquale against AEK, he wasn't bad, we need a LB, Janku is LM :5ok: .

:wth::wth:

Giorgos
05-08-2007, 18:06
:wth::wth:

You mean?................

Makelele is one of my favourites DM ever but he is too old as many of us told.
What's your opinion about Pendretti as a back up player?

Tony29.
05-08-2007, 18:17
:wth::wth:
Lol

Hasan, Giorgos is passionate only for his home team PAOK. He likes to watch good football but the way you feel for Milan , he feels only for PAOK.

By registering here and following everything that happens in Milan with interest, by being concerned about Milan defeats and Milan's lack of new transfers he's proving that he cares about Milan. But he's not the man who loves Milan the same way most of you do. He doesn't hate the rivals with passion and he will never moan about a "stolen" scudetto that was actually never stolen from Milan. :grinser:

He's more like an admirer than an ultra. That's why you shouldn't take it for bad if he likes Real or Manchester just like he likes Milan.
He's a great and funny guy though. We "talk" all the time by Pm's

You understand what am i saying, right ? ;)


In other words....don't anyone dare to attack Giorgos because he likes Real also or you'll feel the anger of a Juventino !
Understood :mad: :grinser:

Mehdi
05-08-2007, 18:26
Of course. And before Materazzi it was Nesta, right ?

Given Cannavaro was hopeless for Italy until the 2006 World Cup yes you could say that.

And remember....you don't hate the ones who are weaker than you. You hate only those who are better.

Speak for yourself. I hate cheats. Inter, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Man United, Chelsea etc, etc don't bother me in the slightest.


So he plays only for teams that get help from the refs ? Emerson was getting away with his fouls because Levercusen, Roma, Juve, Real and Brazil were protected by the refs?

I said he gets away with it because of the colour of the shirts he wears. If he played for a small club he's be sent off every 2nd week.


Brazil had no problems defensively whenever Emerson played and they had bunch of them when he didn't.

He didn't play in the 2002 World Cup winning team, he didn't play in the 2005 Confederations Cup winning team or the team that has just won the Copa America. So explain how Brazil have problems when he doesn't play? There's clearly a case for saying the exact opposite.


Well, if you had Emerson to replace Gattuso chances are 99.99% that Emerson wouldn't have made a mistake.

By then he probably would have been sent off.

Tony29.
05-08-2007, 18:45
My last reply on the issue Mehdi
Obviously one of us talks with his heart, not his brain (could be that i'm the one, i'm not saying it's you) , so we'll never come to an agreement!

Given Cannavaro was hopeless for Italy until the 2006 World Cup yes you could say that.
Cannavaro was capped 108 times
So, either Maldini,Zoff, Trapattoni, Lippi and Donadoni know nothing about football, or Cannavaro is really a world class, or if not a world class, always among the best 2 defenders in Italy.
Nesta and Materazzi were never as regular as Cannavaro.

Looks like Zlat was right in the first place. You talk trash about Emerson and Canna ONLY because they used to play for Juve when Juve was winning and Milan was left empty-handed.



Speak for yourself. I hate cheats. Inter, Real Madrid, Barcelona, Man United, Chelsea etc, etc don't bother me in the slightest.
In this case you should hate Milan also.
If Juve were proven cheats then so were Milan. Meani and Galliani were punished and so was Milan with -30pts and -8 pts because they were cheating.
If we believe the judges when they sentenced Juve for cheating then i see no reason why we shouldn't believe them when they punished Milan for the same reason.
Or shall we use double standards when it suits us to do so ?


I said he gets away with it because of the colour of the shirts he wears. If he played for a small club he's be sent off every 2nd week.
But this would have happened to most of the world class DM's.
Look outside MM and you'll see how people view Gattuso. World class DM but hated becuase of his aggressive style and the fouls he makes.
If Gattuso, Vieira or Materazzi play in Lecce they'd also be sent off every second week.

Vieira is imo the best DM in the world. When he played for Juve he had some brilliant displays but he was fouling more than allowed. He did get away with it many times. (as do Matrix and Gattuso)
Why should i say this about Vieira and not about Emerson ?
Simply, because Emerson plays much more clean than most of the DM's.



He didn't play in the 2002 World Cup winning team, he didn't play in the 2005 Confederations Cup winning team or the team that has just won the Copa America. So explain how Brazil have problems when he doesn't play? There's clearly a case for saying the exact opposite.
I was talking about WC 2006 and you know it
You know, Emerson was actually part of WC 2002 team but he got an injury before the WC started.
If Brazil won the WC and played much better without Emerson....why the hell did the other Brazilian coaches keep calling him ?
Because the team was much more secure defensively with him than with the likes of Gilberto Silva, Mineiro etc, that's why !



By then he probably would have been sent off.
He wouldn't have because he would have worn a jersey of a big club and players who wear big club jerseys don't get sent off every second week ;)

Hasan Rossonero
05-08-2007, 19:19
Given Cannavaro was hopeless for Italy until the 2006 World Cup yes you could say that.





You couldn't be wider of the mark. Cannavaro has always been immense for Italy. Check out Euro2000, he and Nesta were simply unbreakable.

In 2002, Italy as a collective were abysmal as was the case in 2004. However, Canna was immense even in 2002 because, as you remember, Nesta was unfit. At Parma and Juve, Cannavaro was incredible.

I am sorry, but this is simply incorrect.

hany.Egypt
05-08-2007, 19:25
Fiori---replacement? We have like 4 keepers now and 2 keepers out on loan.
Serginho---He has already been replace by Favalli last season when he was injuried for long period.
Favalli----Maybe Grimi would replace him after he is back from loan. If we manage to get a good LB then janku will become his replacement instead.
Cafu----we need a replacement for him else simic will be become the reserve RB while we get another CB.
Maldini---Even without maldini, we don't lack players as CB with Nesta, Bonera, Kaladze and Simic.
Inzaghi---Pato is incoming and we might still be going after Ronaldinho and the like if we don't get them this year.

The way i see it, we only need 2-4 players even if we don't get anymore player this year. Its certainly not like you make it out to be, we don't need to get another 6 players.
Totaly disagree,look at our squad right now, you say that we have already 4 keepers, well IMO only 2 of them are good(Dida and Storari) while the other 2 are ....hmmmm lets say not Milan quality, and 2 on loan then I must say they dont have any experiance though I wont argue about them as I dont know them.
As for Serginho, you say that we have Favalli as his replacment, well again I have to say that both of them wont be able to run any more next season, so they have to be replace as Favalli if we are so optimistic would be the third shoice in his position and Janku is orginally LM not LB and even if he plays well as a LB he does make mistakes, though we cant blame him for it.
Cafu again when we bought Oddo we said he is an excellent player but not worldclass like Cafu , so we were in the opinion that the managment will buy us some one else young and strong in the summer,and no one said that Simic can replace him (dont try to cobvince me that we can rely on Simic againest Barca,Chelsea, ManUTd, Inter etc coppa Italia and some very weak Seria A games can suit him not CL matches if Oddo was Injuired.
Maldini is irreplacable and some how even if he did not retire I would say that we still need a CB not because of the quality or the quantityof the defenders you mentioned, but because they get injuired alot(Maldini always has problems in his knee Kaladze and Nesta get injuired alot) Bonera is very good and despite being unexperianced (in CL) we can rely on him.
Inzagi would probably retire next season, he is a legend if I can say so,Pato of course can replace him but not in the near future,may be after two or three years, he is just 17 dont forget that.
So Milan stills in need for a RB /LB(hopefully Zambrotta) who can play in both positions and may be RM and DM as well, a CB may be Barzagli or Cannavaro or Kombany I dont know, and Midfilder that can replace Pirlo and her I must say its very diffecult to find one,Iam not a Deco fan but I would welcome him if he accepted to be benched and replace Pirlo when necessarily,another striker would also be very useful notice that Ronaldo is injury prone so if we can get Cassano(a dream of mine) then we are done.
May be I am too pissimistic and our team is excellent, but to be honest I feel betrayed after the promises that Galiani and Berlu have given us about spalshing money in the summer especially after earning nearly 6om form the CL only, so it would not hurt them that much if the payed 40m to get some players to help us next season knowing that we are going to compete in 5 competions(League, CL, Coppa Italia, worldclubcup and supper Europian cup)

hany.Egypt
05-08-2007, 19:40
Ok, you must be right, especially about Cannavaro.
Damn refs made him look so effective at the WC

P.S : Why is Cannavaro a Juventino and not an Interista ? And why is Emerson Juventino and not a Romanista ?

Is Inzaghi also a Juventino :rolleyes:
Is Pirlo an Interista :rolleyes:



Diarra is a very good player and atm is much better than Emerson but it's a fact that he had awful 7 months in Real and he lost his place to Emerson. In the last 5-6 matches the opposite happened.



True, they also won it in 1958 without Emerson.
Your logic sucks in this case.
Kaka didn't play, except for few minutes in a meaningless group match, in 2002.
Woooooooow, so that's why the won it in 2002 and didn't in 2006.

You fail to see the big picture. Don't you think there is a reason Capello, Ancelotti, Mancini and all the Brazilian coaches wanted Emerson ?
But that's why you're whoever you are and they are leading the best teams in the world.
Fully agree tony you said every single word I was willing to say

Mehdi
05-08-2007, 19:40
My last reply on the issue Mehdi
Obviously one of us talks with his heart, not his brain (could be that i'm the one, i'm not saying it's you) , so we'll never come to an agreement!


Cannavaro was capped 108 times
So, either Maldini,Zoff, Trapattoni, Lippi and Donadoni know nothing about football, or Cannavaro is really a world class, or if not a world class, always among the best 2 defenders in Italy.
Nesta and Materazzi were never as regular as Cannavaro.


Nor did they cost Italy a European Championship final like Cannavaro and that choker Del Piero did in 2000. I never Cannavaro wasn't World Class but he's past it.

Looks like Zlat was right in the first place. You talk trash about Emerson and Canna ONLY because they used to play for Juve when Juve was winning and Milan was left empty-handed.

They're past it. And the only title Juventus have won clean over the past two decades was Serie B. All of Capello's title were down to Moggi and Lippi's Juventus team were on steroids. People seem to forget their doctor, Riccardo Agricola, was found GUILTY of administering steroids only to be later acquitted. A crook with a good lawyer is still a crook and I'll make damn sure no one forgets. Every single one of the titles Juve won during that era - three scudettos, Coppa Italia, Italian Super Cup, European Cup, European Super Cup and Intercontinental cup is tainted and the scudetto's in 2001 and 2002? I'd put them down to Moggi as well.


In this case you should hate Milan also.
If Juve were proven cheats then so were Milan. Meani and Galliani were punished and so was Milan with -30pts and -8 pts because they were cheating.
If we believe the judges when they sentenced Juve for cheating then i see no reason why we shouldn't believe them when they punished Milan for the same reason.
Or shall we use double standards when it suits us to do so ?

Milan's role was minor compared to that of Juventus. Milan got exactly what they deserved, -8 points. Juve got off lightly, they should have been sent down to Serie C.


But this would have happened to most of the world class DM's.
Look outside MM and you'll see how people view Gattuso. World class DM but hated becuase of his aggressive style and the fouls he makes.
If Gattuso, Vieira or Materazzi play in Lecce they'd also be sent off every second week.

No they wouldn't because they can actually tackle. Emerson can't, he just fouls.


Vieira is imo the best DM in the world. When he played for Juve he had some brilliant displays but he was fouling more than allowed. He did get away with it many times. (as do Matrix and Gattuso)

Why should i say this about Vieira and not about Emerson ?
Simply, because Emerson plays much more clean than most of the DM's.

No it's because you're Juventino. Gattuso is the best DM in the World not Vieira.


I was talking about WC 2006 and you know it
You know, Emerson was actually part of WC 2002 team but he got an injury before the WC started.

If Brazil won the WC and played much better without Emerson....why the hell did the other Brazilian coaches keep calling him ?
Because the team was much more secure defensively with him than with the likes of Gilberto Silva, Mineiro etc, that's why !

Cut the crap. The FACT remains Brazil have NEVER won an international tournament when Emerson was part of the team. So much for your claim that Brazil have problems when he doesn't play.


He wouldn't have because he would have worn a jersey of a big club and players who wear big club jerseys don't get sent off every second week

Milan don't need help from officials, Juventus do.

Mehdi
05-08-2007, 19:42
You couldn't be wider of the mark. Cannavaro has always been immense for Italy. Check out Euro2000, he and Nesta were simply unbreakable.

You mean the Euro 2000 final when he gave the ball to Wiltord?

Tony29.
05-08-2007, 20:05
Mehdi, you should really try anger management.

I don't know how old are you but i guess you're a young man, in his teens or early 20's. The last thing you should do in this tender age is getting angry about football for no reason. Ask for help or something but please don't say i'm idiot and i'm crap for no reason.
In your age instead of hating football teams i was loving girls and parties.

Do that !
Take some anger management tips and you'll be another guy in no time

Kaka--7thUCL
05-08-2007, 20:45
Lol tony is the last person you can call an idiot when it comes to football, if anyone finds a picture of pato in our shirt can you please post it? Thank you.

Hasan Rossonero
05-08-2007, 20:51
You mean the Euro 2000 final when he gave the ball to Wiltord?
No I am talking about the Cannavaro who was a rock for Italy even in that Final. He has been a far more consistent performer for Italy than any defender after Maldini. Far more consistent than Nesta, who, unfortunately, has seen his fair share of injuries. One mistake doesn't make his tournament rubbish. By that rationale Baggio was awful during 1994.

Tony29.
05-08-2007, 20:55
Lol tony is the last person you can call an idiot when it comes to football, if anyone finds a picture of pato in our shirt can you please post it? Thank you.
So far only this

zlatanov
05-08-2007, 20:57
So far only this
Yours is too little, mine is bigger :5nana: :diablo:

http://media2.acmilan.com/200708/7730_big.jpg?ver=3

P.S. thanks Capo Ultra

Tony29.
05-08-2007, 20:59
Yours is too little, mine is bigger :5nana: :diablo:

http://media2.acmilan.com/200708/7730_big.jpg?ver=3

P.S. thanks Capo Ultra
Mine was as big but you try to attach it when it's bigger than 100kb (it was ~450kb in the original size)
I had to resize it :)

Edit : And i just registered on acmilan.com just so i could find a picture of Pato in Milan jersey.
You see what i have to do for you guys :grinser:

zlatanov
05-08-2007, 21:05
Mine was as big but you try to attach it when it's bigger than 100kb (it was ~450kb in the original size)
I had to resize it :)

Edit : And i just registered on acmilan.com just so i could find a picture of Pato in Milan jersey.
You see what i have to do for you guys :grinser:
well, don't resize it then ... why do extra work only to make things worse :zany:
:grinser:

btw, Milan fans recharge your "transfer speculation" batteries cause from tomorrow it will be a brand new round of summer activities. :p017:
there will be two new names and they will be among J. Baptista, Cannavaro, Emerson, Motta, Di Natale ... and remember that you heard it here first :devf:

Tony29.
05-08-2007, 21:17
well, don't resize it then ... why do extra work only to make things worse :zany:
:grinser:

btw, Milan fans recharge your "transfer speculation" batteries cause from tomorrow it will be a brand new round of summer activities. :p017:
there will be two new names and they will be among J. Baptista, Cannavaro, Emerson, Motta, Di Natale ... and remember that you heard it here first :devf:
Admit you added Cannavaro's name by yourself :devf:

Anyway ....

Cannavaro and Emerson - overrated filthy Juventini cheaters - you don't need them
Motta - Even the filthy Juventino Emerson took his place in the Brazilian NT - you don't need him
Di Natale- plays for a team that has the same colours as the filthy cheaters- you don't need him
Baptista - played for Arsenal where the filthy gobbo Vieira used to play and plays for Real where filthy Cannavaro and Emerson play - you don't need him

Give us another round of 5 new names Zlat !
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Seriously , you think Cannavaro will leave Real ?

Fanous
05-08-2007, 21:29
The way I see it, Milan's approach to the transfer market, although somewhat conservative, has proven to deliver results over the years.

Obviously, on paper, having a world class starting eleven supported by a great bench pushing the starters for a first team place should be what every big club aims for. However, as we all know, this is practically impossible to achieve. Most great players find it very hard to accept being benched and this type of frustration can disrupt the overall unity of the team.

I must say that although I've been scouring the net daily with the hope of new transfers, when I stop to think about it, I genuinely agree with what the management says. It really is very difficult to improve our starting eleven. Going into this season, we are definitely looking much better than last year. Aside from the fact that the players are better rested and generally in better physical shape, they are also coming back mentally stronger. Given the obstacles the team overcame last year to achieve success and prove the skeptics wrong, they have matured as a unit - I'm sure this beats being crucified in the media for Calciopoli.

The general consensus seems to be that the success we've had in the past years will eventually fade away as the average age of the team continues to increase. No one can debate that. And there is absolutely no way that the management isn't aware of this fact. Some of the performances that our old veterans have been putting in are simply brilliant. Besides, signing Pato and showing reluctance to sign a midfielder in order to give Gourcuff a fair chance next season are very positive signs for the future. I agree that many of our starters have been prone to injury, but I don't think we can afford to sign high profile players just in case they do. In my opinion, this is a small sacrifice when you look at the trade-off: team spirit and a genuine understanding between the players.

That being said, it would be nice to get either one of Zambrotta or Cannavaro. And Julio Baptista could also be a useful addition because of his versatility, given the fact that Pato will not be able to play until January, and probably won't make an immediate impact on the team.

I'm not sure I've added anything new to this discussion, and have probably stated the obvious, but the point is, I think we're doing okay - barring a hardcore series of unfortunate events (i.e injuries), we can certainly challenge for the scudetto as well as put up a good defense of our CL title. To quote Warro.. "I Love Milan".

GK: Dida (Storari)
DF: Oddo - Nesta - Maldini - Janku (Cafu - Bonera - Kaladze - Serghino)
DM: Gattuso - Pirlo - Ambro (Brocchi - Gourcuff)
AM: Kaka (Seedorf)
FW: Gilardino - Ronaldo (Inzaghi - Pato)

zlatanov
05-08-2007, 21:34
Admit you added Cannavaro's name by yourself :devf:
I won't admit even under torture ... truth is truth and nothing can change that :zany:

Give us another round of 5 new names Zlat !
Is this a joke to you ... what you think I am just shooting in the dark with those names :grinser:

Seriously, you think Cannavaro will leave Real ?
If he keeps performing for Real like he has been for some time now, I don't think he will have a choice really :devf:

seriously, yes, I think if he doesn't find his old self - and it's prep period in a chaotic environment for him (the worst possible recipe for rediscovering his lost form) - it's only a question of a couple more friendlies before Schuster starts looking for another defender considering that last year it wasn't a successful one for Canna either (although for dif reasons but that doesn't mean Milan can't profit from Real's ineptness ... again :))

Sleep
05-08-2007, 22:08
So far only this
it's our new jersey? Not as beautiful as last season. And last season is not as beautiful as Zafira, how come the 4 letters B w i n can be so ugly :stupid:

About Emerson, I have read Tony and Mehdi's posts. I saw Brazil raped by France. But in fact, with Emerson, Brazil didn't play well in Group matches. You can say that it's because all of Brazil sucked but actually Emerson didn't do so much. With Australia, Croatia and especially we Asian's Japan, how can a team like Brazil be raped in the midfield? Ghana had better condition but if you can't say it was a interesting match even 3-0 for Brazil, both team did poorly, Ghana's attackers and defenders were simply too bad. And I accept the fact that Brazil did really well in 2002 and 2005, clearly better team and more beautiful football.

If we sign a DM I hope he is Poulsen or Gago.

hwmook
05-08-2007, 23:19
Cannavaro was capped 108 times
So, either Maldini,Zoff, Trapattoni, Lippi and Donadoni know nothing about football, or Cannavaro is really a world class, or if not a world class, always among the best 2 defenders in Italy.
Nesta and Materazzi were never as regular as Cannavaro.


Because Nesta was often injuried. Cannavaro was never as good as Nesta was. In fact, i personally did Cannavaro didn't play that well for parma and inter, he only look good when panthering nesta and maldini. Juve was the only club he played really well for.

hwmook
05-08-2007, 23:39
Totaly disagree,look at our squad right now, you say that we have already 4 keepers, well IMO only 2 of them are good(Dida and Storari) while the other 2 are ....hmmmm lets say not Milan quality, and 2 on loan then I must say they dont have any experiance though I wont argue about them as I dont know them.
As for Serginho, you say that we have Favalli as his replacment, well again I have to say that both of them wont be able to run any more next season, so they have to be replace as Favalli if we are so optimistic would be the third shoice in his position and Janku is orginally LM not LB and even if he plays well as a LB he does make mistakes, though we cant blame him for it.
Cafu again when we bought Oddo we said he is an excellent player but not worldclass like Cafu , so we were in the opinion that the managment will buy us some one else young and strong in the summer,and no one said that Simic can replace him (dont try to cobvince me that we can rely on Simic againest Barca,Chelsea, ManUTd, Inter etc coppa Italia and some very weak Seria A games can suit him not CL matches if Oddo was Injuired.
Maldini is irreplacable and some how even if he did not retire I would say that we still need a CB not because of the quality or the quantityof the defenders you mentioned, but because they get injuired alot(Maldini always has problems in his knee Kaladze and Nesta get injuired alot) Bonera is very good and despite being unexperianced (in CL) we can rely on him.
Inzagi would probably retire next season, he is a legend if I can say so,Pato of course can replace him but not in the near future,may be after two or three years, he is just 17 dont forget that.


Do you even realise we can only field 1 keeper in any games? And most teams actually have only 1 good keeper? Abbiati has no experience? Come on, don't kid me.

Milan won a UCL with Simic playing as a RB so i don't know where you can coming from when you say simic cannot make it. Moreover Oddo is still going to be the one most of the time.

Maldini is suppose to have an ops that fix his knees and as long as he doesn't have to play too often, he will be fine. Nesta is not alway injuried, he is only injuried when WC come around, since he already retire from international soccer, i am sure he will be perfectly fine and stay injury free all season. Kaladze with minimum playing time is going to be fine. And we still have Simic who doesn't get injuried.

Pato may be just 17 but ronaldo also started making his mark in PSV at exactly the same age, nobody say Pato can't be doing the same. He also get more time to gel and train with Milan before playing.

hwmook
05-08-2007, 23:54
About Emerson, I have read Tony and Mehdi's posts. I saw Brazil raped by France. But in fact, with Emerson, Brazil didn't play well in Group matches. You can say that it's because all of Brazil sucked but actually Emerson didn't do so much. With Australia, Croatia and especially we Asian's Japan, how can a team like Brazil be raped in the midfield? Ghana had better condition but if you can't say it was a interesting match even 3-0 for Brazil, both team did poorly, Ghana's attackers and defenders were simply too bad. And I accept the fact that Brazil did really well in 2002 and 2005, clearly better team and more beautiful football.

Well, you said what i wanted to. i actually saw the Ghana's players having a highway straight to goal against brazil but Ghana just doesn't have a decent striker so saying emerson is so important for brazil is really pushing it. Emerson did very well in roma and juve so he was getting called up, it doesn't mean he did very well for brazil.

And saying Emerson is a cleaner player than Rino is laughable. Rino does a lot of tackles and opponents hate him but that doesn't mean he is a dirty player. Rino is the cleanest DM i ever see, his cards to tackles ratio is already very very low for a DM. He always go for clean tackles without trying to take his opponents legs off, sometimes he might make a few clumsy tackles and make some last ditch tackles that result in him getting cards but you cannot call him a dirty player for that. A dirty player is like ambro ( don't kill me for saying this but its true...), he always make dirty tackles and getting cards so often. I personally don't remember emerson as a dirty player.

But if given a choice, i would have love Diarra to be here. :diablo:

ea1899
06-08-2007, 00:40
Hello everyone i'm newbie here...

I am excited 'bout prospect of Pato wearing Milan's shirt but still we should reinforce ourself with 1-2 more players. If zlat right from those 5 names i would choose Baptista or Di Natale.

One more,where i can find latest news 'bout serie A in english?

Stitch
06-08-2007, 02:01
Hello everyone i'm newbie here...

I am excited 'bout prospect of Pato wearing Milan's shirt but still we should reinforce ourself with 1-2 more players. If zlat right from those 5 names i would choose Baptista or Di Natale.

One more,where i can find latest news 'bout serie A in english?

try channel4.com or goal.com

Let's get Baptista, I'm warming to an idea. He can be a nice ST/AM/DM for us. Three in one :)

ea1899
06-08-2007, 02:42
try channel4.com or goal.com
Thanks :)

Let's get Baptista, I'm warming to an idea. He can be a nice ST/AM/DM for us. Three in one :)

Considering this year summer market, Baptista would be good signing for us.Versatile player like him and his skill will always be useful.

peters
06-08-2007, 02:48
He's slow and he makes too many fouls. He can't tackle, he just kicks people and gets away with it because of the colour of the shirt he wears.
dont want to go into this heated debate, but i agree with this one 100%. Thats why i dont like him, he just kicks when someone is near, no matter what he hits. I dont say its not good (with that dirty tactics arsenal killed villareal last year in cl) but i can hardly stand it.

About Canna, i find it amusing when will real figure out he is just too slow for spanih league. Like Samuel the wall, like emerson... all of these would do good in italy since there is a different, more strong type of defensive play, where tactics and positining are above all. In spain the midfield floats up the field and fast counters 1vs1 with defender are something naural. That the case where young spanish wings just rush past Canna and make him look useless :)

hany.Egypt
06-08-2007, 03:22
Hello everyone i'm newbie here...

welcome to MM buddy

remote2book
06-08-2007, 03:23
lets just get baptista...and a lb and i will be happy...

hany.Egypt
06-08-2007, 03:43
Do you even realise we can only field 1 keeper in any games? And most teams actually have only 1 good keeper? Abbiati has no experience? Come on, don't kid me.

Milan won a UCL with Simic playing as a RB so i don't know where you can coming from when you say simic cannot make it. Moreover Oddo is still going to be the one most of the time.

Maldini is suppose to have an ops that fix his knees and as long as he doesn't have to play too often, he will be fine. Nesta is not alway injuried, he is only injuried when WC come around, since he already retire from international soccer, i am sure he will be perfectly fine and stay injury free all season. Kaladze with minimum playing time is going to be fine. And we still have Simic who doesn't get injuried.

Pato may be just 17 but ronaldo also started making his mark in PSV at exactly the same age, nobody say Pato can't be doing the same. He also get more time to gel and train with Milan before playing.
Hmmmmm Abbiati is on loan (sorry I forget I thought its a young goalie
:zany: ) I must apologize for that point :p155: .
As for Milan winning the UCL with Simic playing as a RB I have to say that as far as I can remmber Simic hasn't played any CL games and again I am asking you, can you rely on Simic againest Barca Roma Inter ManUtd Chelsea? As for Oddo yes he can have the job done,but he if got injuried then we are running out of options Cafu cant do it any more.
For the defence I agree that we do have excellent defence when the players are fit, hope that Nesta's retirement from Azzuri can help him. :web:
As for Ronaldo having his mark in PSV at exactly the same age,then I must say there is a diffrence between Seria A :respect: and Dutch league
so I dont think Pato can do the same with milan.

kris
06-08-2007, 04:00
Because Nesta was often injuried. Cannavaro was never as good as Nesta was.

this is well and beyond far so not connected with each other I can't phantom how you could say it. How can Nesta's being injuried a lot tell that he was better than Canna? Indeed I do think he actually was better than Canna, but that is hardly shameful on Cannavaro to have Nesta before him.

In fact, i personally did Cannavaro didn't play that well for parma and inter,

He didn't play that well for Inter, I believe most, including pundits can agree on that account. But you are the first I EVER seen that claims he didn't play good for Parma. That is totally going against what pretty much anyone have ever said about his career, he was a rock there.

he only look good when panthering nesta and maldini. Juve was the only club he played really well for.

He was great already in Napoli.

ThrusT
06-08-2007, 04:01
As for Ronaldo having his mark in PSV at exactly the same age,then I must say there is a diffrence between Seria A :respect: and Dutch league
so I dont think Pato can do the same with milan.
Oh dear. :)
I think the Dutch league should not be underestimated, certainly not in the years of Ronaldo and Nilis at PSV.
I would even dare to say it was a greater challenge than our Serie A was last year.

kris
06-08-2007, 04:07
As for Milan winning the UCL with Simic playing as a RB I have to say that as far as I can remmber Simic hasn't played any CL games

He was talking about 2003.

and again I am asking you, can you rely on Simic againest Barca Roma Inter ManUtd Chelsea?

He may even be more useful against those as he is good in defense while he can't really do anything in offense. He is the perfect stereotype of a backup defender.

As for Oddo yes he can have the job done,but he if got injuried then we are running out of options Cafu cant do it any more.

I would agree that Cafu have seen his best days, but not that we lack options and we have several differing alternatives. Now had Cafu been first choice like last year then I would have been worried.

Now I would rate Zambrotta as the best transfer we could make, but that is because he can cover both sides and that would mean a offensive alternative to both Janku and Oddo.

so I dont think Pato can do the same with Milan.

Time will tell.

Mehdi
06-08-2007, 07:36
Mehdi, you should really try anger management.

I don't know how old are you but i guess you're a young man, in his teens or early 20's. The last thing you should do in this tender age is getting angry about football for no reason. Ask for help or something but please don't say i'm idiot and i'm crap for no reason.
In your age instead of hating football teams i was loving girls and parties.

Do that !
Take some anger management tips and you'll be another guy in no time

You might be accepted by others, most of who clearly aren't familiar with our history and how we've been screwed over by Juve and Moggi in the past, but I don't play nice with Juventino especially those who defend their wretched team on a Milan forum. You talk about when Juve was winning and Milan was left empty-handed? What are you going to teach us about winning? How to win by manipulating officials, using steroids and in front of three fans in the stadio della empty? That's a lesson we don't want to learn. We don't need lessons on winning from anyone, least of all from a Juventino.

MOOD
06-08-2007, 07:38
haha oh my god, stop this please :D

Hasan Rossonero
06-08-2007, 08:08
You might be accepted by others, most of who clearly aren't familiar with our history and how we've been screwed over by Juve and Moggi in the past, but I don't play nice with Juventino especially those who defend their wretched team on a Milan forum. You talk about when Juve was winning and Milan was left empty-handed? What are you going to teach us about winning? How to win by manipulating officials, using steroids and in front of three fans in the stadio della empty? That's a lesson we don't want to learn. We don't need lessons on winning from anyone, least of all from a Juventino.

You want to talk about history?

Ok. We were relegated in the 80s for match-fixing. It was a dark chapter in our history. We were also convicted of match-fixing this year, even if our involvement was not as huge.

Surely, then, we can't cast the first stone. And Tony29 loves his team. The players weren't involved in match-fixing rather a handful of bent officials and Moggi were. If you were a Livorno fan I could understand the whole high moral ground.

Attacking Tony29 just because he supports a certain team whose administrators were responsible for malpractices and machinations is unfair. Juventus have given a lot to Italian football. They gave poor southern Italian immigrant workers a team to support. They are an integral part of Italian football and Italian history. They gave Italian football Monti, Rava, Cabrini, Zoff, Gentile, Rossi, Tardelli, Buffon, and, yes, Cannavaro too.

Giorgos
06-08-2007, 08:11
Lol

Hasan, Giorgos is passionate only for his home team PAOK. He likes to watch good football but the way you feel for Milan , he feels only for PAOK.

By registering here and following everything that happens in Milan with interest, by being concerned about Milan defeats and Milan's lack of new transfers he's proving that he cares about Milan. But he's not the man who loves Milan the same way most of you do. He doesn't hate the rivals with passion and he will never moan about a "stolen" scudetto that was actually never stolen from Milan. :grinser:

He's more like an admirer than an ultra. That's why you shouldn't take it for bad if he likes Real or Manchester just like he likes Milan.
He's a great and funny guy though. We "talk" all the time by Pm's

You understand what am i saying, right ? ;)


In other words....don't anyone dare to attack Giorgos because he likes Real also or you'll feel the anger of a Juventino !
Understood :mad: :grinser:


To make things clear, i got excited when Milan wons but i am an ultra of PAOK Thessaloniki. Whenever Milan scores i celebrate like crazy (like what i did in two semi finals agianst United) but i support United and Madrid when they play against other teams in PL, PD, CL , UC. If Milan will play against PAOK i will go against the rossoneri team during the game but i afterwards i will visit the players of Milan. If we know the history of Milan give me the freedom to know better about myself. I hate Juventus, i don't coach Juve even in the video games but in my work (Journalist) i have one Interista and one Juventino by whom i like to talk a lot, the rest of us are AC Milan about 4 to 5 :5ok: . But there is no reason to not talk with Interistas and Juventinos, in my country i hate Aris, Olympiakos mainly but i have friends who are Aris.

For players, friend Hasan, i don't think i wouldn't take a player because he played in those teams like Pirlo but in this situation i don't believe Emerson is good, i would like to have taken Nedved 5 years ago. To finish i have clear picture of the championships that Juve stole, to know better here is Greece whoever is not Juve say that the most dirty teams in Italia and Greece are Juventus and Olympiakos. But you cannot punch in the face a person like Tony who is one of the most kindness people here, bases his statements and he is very helpful. In contrast i started to trust him and i will probably meet him face to face when he will come to Thessaloniki.

Hasan i also like Sevilla way of playing but at the European super cup final i want desperetally to ki... their us :5ok: .

Forza Milan :3band: :rone:

Tony29.
06-08-2007, 09:12
Ah, lack of transfer activity, look where it took us :)

Girgos - you owe me a beer and we'll make it 5 beers because you just said that you hate Juventus ! And i chose the place - Bouat Melodia

Peters - I agree on Emerson or Samuel but Cannavaro is maybe the fastest central defender in Europe and the football played in La Liga isn't any faster than serie A. Canna never had that kind of problems in Real.

Hasan - Thanx man

Mehdi - Take it easy. MM is THE place where you should talk trash about Juve. No one told you not to do so. I asked you only to stay away from personal attacks on me. Or if you just can't help it and you must attack me, at least chose the words.

hwmook - Never said Nesta is worse than Canna. Eventhough they are both CD's they are very much different. Both of them are among top3 in the world and it's close to impossible to say that one of them is better than the other. Nesta is more ellegant while Canna is more of a fighter but they both make the job done better than anyone else in the world.
People say Canna was bad in Real - he wasn't. He had a bad start as the rest of the team. At the end, when the others started performing Canna was again a rock.
Outside MM people will say that Nesta was awful in the first part of the season. He was tired and injured and it made him look bad, it doesn't mean he's bad.
Carew made a fool out of Canna, Zlatan made a fool out of Nesta - so what ? It doesn't mean they were bad just because of one single episode.

Now the news for today :

1. Isaksson was injured and now Eriksson is after a goalkeeper with Marco Amelia as the first choice. Eriksson still wants Chiellini. The problem seems to be inside the club. The English are against the foreigners Eriksson takes with him because they are taking their places.

2. According to Spanish press, if Real will fail to get Robben the alternative will be Quaresma. Ballack denies Chelsea exit and denies that he will play for Real next season.

3. From England : Possible swap Lampard-Deco

4. Fiorentina is ready to offer 18m euro for Maxi Rodriguez (AS)

5. Zigic is very very close to Valencia. This means one of the attackers will leave Valencia ?

6. Roma offered 1.5m euro to Real for Cicinho for one year loan .

Mehdi
06-08-2007, 09:13
You want to talk about history?

Ok. We were relegated in the 80s for match-fixing. It was a dark chapter in our history.

And some older Milanisti will tell you we took the bullet for Juve.


We were also convicted of match-fixing this year, even if our involvement was not as huge.

We were NOT convicted of match fixing. Milan's involvement centres around a low ranking official asking for a 'good' linesman.


Surely, then, we can't cast the first stone. And Tony29 loves his team. The players weren't involved in match-fixing rather a handful of bent officials and Moggi were. If you were a Livorno fan I could understand the whole high moral ground.

The players benefited how they have benefited for years, invented penalties, yellow cards instead of reds and favourable refereeing. Just look back to one of the last matches we played against the bastards when we had two clear penalty appeals (according to all independent reports) turned down for fouls on Crespo and Kaladze on the 18th of December 2004. This was one of the matches named in the Calciopoli investigations because before the match Moggi and a colleague made 42 calls on Sim cards that couldn't be traced by Italian police to the match referee Paolo Bertini. On this match the Naples state judicial investigation concluded :

"Moggi and Fabiani were the instigators and they performed fraudulent acts designed to influence the final result. A finality that was carried out by Bertini. who operated so that he might achieve a result favourable to Moggi's team."

They did the same thing against Inter with the Ronaldo penalty that wasn't given years ago. And you want to defend Juventus? You want to claim we're just as bad as they are? You want claim the players didn't know? And the fans didn't know? I don't think so.


Attacking Tony29 just because he supports a certain team whose administrators were responsible for malpractices and machinations is unfair. Juventus have given a lot to Italian football. They gave poor southern Italian immigrant workers a team to support. They are an integral part of Italian football and Italian history. They gave Italian football Monti, Rava, Cabrini, Zoff, Gentile, Rossi, Tardelli, Buffon, and, yes, Cannavaro too.


The one tournament wonder Paolo Rossi? Banned for his part in a betting scandal. And the hacker Gentile? Juve are the epitome of everything bad about Italian football, corruption at the highest levels and needing favours from officials to hold down their opponents. I will never forgive and never forget. Juventus have shamed Italian football. WE have put Italian football on the map.

Graeme C
06-08-2007, 09:29
i like cannavaro as a player alot. If we were to lose Simic i wouldnt mind him comming. But i get the feeling the management is holding out on simic as he can play RB aswell CB. That home goal was wicked, wish he can get forward and do that at the other end more often :grinser:

As for Di Natale hes good, but i would prefer to take a risk on cassano (who should rip up his contract with Real, so we can deal with a free agent). We do need another striker though. Again with Baptista, but why go for a player who shunned us a few days ago..

Other rumours say that Man city are after Amelia and Livorno want Storari to replace him. Why cant we just swop plus cash for Amelia ourselves? hes better than kalac and fiori. If we cant inprove out starting eleven, at least improve our subs.

Tony29.
06-08-2007, 09:41
You know Mehdi, if i want to defend Juve and that's what i am here, people like you make my job much easier, especially with "took the bullet for Juve" comments.

I will not reply, and believe me i can give you a hell of a reply, to most of your comments. I will reply to you only on one single thing.

The December match Juventus-Milan being "fixed" because the ref didn't give two "clear" penalties to Milan.

You forgot one thing - the match ended 0:0 and Juventus didn't win.
Tell me, why would Juve fix the match and don't win it at the end ?
Because Milan was so powerful and even with ref help Juve couldn't win ?
I believe this will be your answer.
Then, even if Milan was much superior all it take for the "bribed" ref to give the win to Juve was a long ball from Buffon, a dive by Ibrahimovic and the ref would have given a penalty. But that didn't happen.
On the oposite, i have a picture (at the bottom of the post) from this match.
Ibrahimovic makes a cross and Costacurta stops the ball with his hand. Costacurta stopped the ball at the line and imo this wasn't a penalty.
But a bribed ref would have certainly given a penalty. A fair ref would have given a free kick. But this "pro-Juve" ref didn't give anything, except for yellow cards to Juve players who protested.

I'm disgusted how people always blame Juve for their failures. It is now so easy to blame Juve for everything. What is hard is to give a proper answer to an argumented reply. Can you do that ?

jtelly
06-08-2007, 10:23
If Barca makes a Deco/Lampard swap that'd be about the stupidest piece of business i've seen. Lampard looked (when I could find him) pretty hopeless yesterday in the CS, which i know is a useless game but come on, he can at least be expected to show up. Chelsea should have an interesting year this year (not in a good way). Drogs can't carry them soo much this year. Also, does anyone else want to just slap john obi mikel or whatever order his name goes? Everytime a call goes, he's there with his hands on the ref, that dumb look on his face. what a pecker.
So it seems the rivalries are heating back up. i think as an outsider to italy, there is always something sinister going on in italian football. nobody is totally clean, and it makes me laugh when we have rightous indignation against someone else. i love italy, i go there alot, and it will always remain suspicious. if you go look at other sites, serie a is just getting slammed, last year with calciopoli, then all the young italians leaving, plus bad stadiums, killing police, riots, etc. everyone was hoping the wc win and cl win would give it a good shine, but sadly it hasn't happened.
everyone has to care about italian teams in the cl, but less and less people are caring about the serie a (outside of italy i mean). you can put it down to marketing up the epl, great players and playing in spain, or whatever, but when i say i like milan and serie a, everyone just wants to talk about it being slow and cheating. i know they don't understand the intricate and tactical style of football (its like trying to explain to a nascar fan why f1 is so much better) but we've really lost alot of respect. also, more players being busted for betting and also some drugs use this summer hasn't helped.
whatever, i can't wait for august 26 and decembe 23! Forza Milan!

Tony75
06-08-2007, 10:29
Name a league without it's problems?

Cheating like mardid or barfa with the refs, and government. Flasifying a players registration to play him, as in England. Personally I don't care about people who say that Serie A is slow, blah, blah as these are the same people who've never seen a game, but are strangely quiet after Milan whipped Man U.

I;d take Serie A any day over the hala mardid brigade, and the EPL hoofball series, which will be its new name once all the Americans have taken over, bar Chelski who'll be called the KGB of the EPLHS.

Stezagud
06-08-2007, 10:34
Lampard looked (when I could find him) pretty hopeless yesterday in the CS, which i know is a useless game but come on, he can at least be expected to show up.

To be fair to him, he did have a broken toe ;)

Im not Lampards biggest fan but he is undeniably effective if used correctly. With his late runs to the box and long range prowess he'd do well in Spain, where the page on closing down space was left out of all the coaching manuals :D

Obi Mikel will be a brilliant player but i cant say i much like the guy either, his transfer fee did pay for Carrick though, so i guess some good came of his short spell at OT.

I agree on Italy too, in a lot of neutrals eyes the league is tarnished now and unfortunately its going to take a long time to build trust again. Even Milan and Italy's success internationally doesnt really help do this as the suspicions will linger.

Tony29.
06-08-2007, 10:37
If Barca makes a Deco/Lampard swap that'd be about the stupidest piece of business i've seen. Lampard looked (when I could find him) pretty hopeless yesterday in the CS, which i know is a useless game but come on, he can at least be expected to show up. Chelsea should have an interesting year this year (not in a good way). Drogs can't carry them soo much this year. Also, does anyone else want to just slap john obi mikel or whatever order his name goes? Everytime a call goes, he's there with his hands on the ref, that dumb look on his face. what a pecker.
So it seems the rivalries are heating back up. i think as an outsider to italy, there is always something sinister going on in italian football. nobody is totally clean, and it makes me laugh when we have rightous indignation against someone else. i love italy, i go there alot, and it will always remain suspicious. if you go look at other sites, serie a is just getting slammed, last year with calciopoli, then all the young italians leaving, plus bad stadiums, killing police, riots, etc. everyone was hoping the wc win and cl win would give it a good shine, but sadly it hasn't happened.
everyone has to care about italian teams in the cl, but less and less people are caring about the serie a (outside of italy i mean). you can put it down to marketing up the epl, great players and playing in spain, or whatever, but when i say i like milan and serie a, everyone just wants to talk about it being slow and cheating. i know they don't understand the intricate and tactical style of football (its like trying to explain to a nascar fan why f1 is so much better) but we've really lost alot of respect. also, more players being busted for betting and also some drugs use this summer hasn't helped.
whatever, i can't wait for august 26 and decembe 23! Forza Milan!
:5ok:
Good post
+rep

Oh, and i feel the same about Obi Mikel. Whenever i see him i think "Uh, if i was close to him with a baseball bat in my hands" :devf:

Vadim
06-08-2007, 10:39
Juventino Tony, I don't feel like getting in an argument about Calciopoli right now, but didn't you admit before that we deserved the Scudetto in 04/05 over Juve, or am I mistaken?

Tony29.
06-08-2007, 10:48
Juventino Tony, I don't feel like getting in an argument about Calciopoli right now, but didn't you admit before that we deserved the Scudetto in 04/05 over Juve, or am I mistaken?
You did deserve that scudetto because you were the best on the field. And Juve got at least 5 scandalous ref decissions in their favour. Juve was relegated to serie B because of that. Juve was 2nd best in Italy that year.
I never disagree when someone says this.
But even in 2005 not every win Juve made was scandalous. Juve had a very good team back then, with Buffon, Zambrotta, Nedved, Cannavaro, Thuram, Ibra, Trez, Del Piero, Camoranesi etc.
They were given an extra hand just enough to finish over Milan while realistically Milan should have finished some 5 points above Juve.
But Milan's involvement in Calciopoli (much bigger than Mehdi thinks) mustn't be forgotten. There is a reason why that scudetto was revoked and not given to Milan.
Milan was better than Juve but they made life harder for them when they let Meani take care of some things.
Juve was helped but not when we played against Milan. You can find some suspicious moments in Milan vs Juve and say that refs helped Juve, but as you saw i can also find such moments. The Italian media (we know who is the boss there) was poresenting only the first moments and people thought it's only Juve. They somehow always forgot the other suspicious parts.

I disagree with all the other comments Mehdi made. I will never agree that Juve didn't deserve the other scudetti or that they were cheating to get them.
Vadim, i admit a mistake and i really try to be fair. Believe me, if i thought Juve were cheating to win in 2006, 1997 or 1984 i'd say it directly.
According to Mehdi, that's what Juve was doing.
I'm a fan of Juve for more than 12 years and i follow them everytime they play. Everything we won, apart from that scudetto in 2005, was well deserved!

Vadim
06-08-2007, 10:52
:5ok:

I don't think anyone can say that Juve never had a good team.

Edit: Don't want to get too off-topic. Tony, can you check your PMs?

mrki
06-08-2007, 10:52
Here I am again, hope you enjoy mercato rumors. I have to say that its easier to live when you only hear about finished transfers... :)

I buy Gazzetta almost every day and its all about Pato, and I dont think that is good for him. He is just a boy who is coming to play against players like Materazzi, Cordoba, Mexes, Chivu and so on... The way Galliani speaks about him is also irritating as he should let the boy work in peace. And , he is NOT a real solution for this season as he CANT PLAY YET! CANT PLAY.

Today Gazzetta had a good article about Baptista and it said that " la Bestia " will not stay in Madrid and everyone in Spain is convinced about that. Real wants Ballack and Robben and Schuster is also not very keen on the player. Gazzeta expect Milan and Madrid will meet somewhere in the middle with the price for the player.

On the Baptista: Im 100% sure Carlo will use him mostly as an AM or even as a CM player. An you can be sure he can play world class football in that positions, way better that he can as a striker. He is player built for serie a and Im open for his arrivel in Milan. He can cover for Kaka' or Seedorf and can even play pure no.9 role. Ronaldo and Pippo are injured as expected, and Gila is injured and trash as expected :) We DO NEED Baptista and if we loose him it will be a mistake. We could really use this player well.

Another thing I've noticed... Bronzetti is really working hard to make all Kaka's friends leave Real M. Baptista was one of Kaka's best friends in Sao Paulo and they played together in midfield also for BRazil U23 team. Then Kaka' went to Milan and Baptista to Sevilla. Another one - Cicinho - is being pushed towards Roma and Spaletti, fine by me. Good idea!

So ladies and gentleman, take care, Im off to take a swim :) I hope we get the Beast and pair him in the middle with Pirlo-Gattuso - Seedorf and Kaka', with Ronaldo up front. PAto has all the time in the world, let the boy play hos beautifull football for 6 more months, later on we will force him to play as a hard working attacking winger :) Ciao!

hitmannq8
06-08-2007, 10:59
IMO Baptista was never in Milan's plans..I think he always was a smokescreen..I think if we get a player, it will be better than Baptista..

jtelly
06-08-2007, 11:04
I don't really have a big problem against bringing in Baptista, he can be versatile and he might be able to wake the sleeping giant and be another physical force in the mid, sucking up some players to open up Big-time Ronnie or Ka-squared. My only problem (and it goes for most of the mercato this year) is price. the prices seem pretty steep, and i'd like to get him for like 8-10 and i'd be happy. i think he's gotten some good experience playing in england even though it didn't go great for him. given the right environment, i.e. milanello and the brasil bunch, he can probably be a VERY good player for us.
I don't think Ballsack will leave chelsea, he and sheva need to show that they were worth the wages. if they walked now, it'd be a serious blow to their characters. remember how drogba was dogbreath the first year and now he's top dog!
just a quick response to tony75, yes most leagues are having their corruption problems, but WE are fans of milan, WE play in Serie A, so WE should focus on our problems and how to fix them rather than go tit-for-tat with other leagues; it is counterproductive.

ThrusT
06-08-2007, 11:15
Mancini waiting for a renewal
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=374484

Perhaps we can offer him a little contract? :grinser:
Imo he would do us well in the attacking department, better than Baptista and the price will probably be the same..

Tony29.
06-08-2007, 11:18
Vadim, on your PM :
I don't really know more than you do. I wasn't following serie A back then.
I checked on the net to see what both sides say about it.

Napoli fans protest about a match on April 8 1990 between Milan and Bologna. According to them, the ref was scandalous and did everything for Milan to win. But they make the same mistake as Mehdi makes about Milan-Juve match in 2004. Milan-Bologna finished 0:0 and Milan didn't win. There was a "clear" goal disallowed for Bologna, scored by Marronaro and ( i checked this match) Bologna players did make a drama out of it.

Milan fans protest about one match (Atalanta-Napoli) that was given to Napoli "a tavolino". Brazilian defender Alemao was hitten by a coin and the FIGC decided to give the 2:0 win to Napoli even though the match finished 0:0

Then there is this match in 33rd round against Verona where 3 Milan players were given red cards and Sacchi also got a red card (Milan lost 1:2).
This was totally unfair to Milan and even ex-Napoli's president Corrado Ferlaino, many years later, admited that the referee on that match, Rosario Lo Bello from Siracusa, Sicilia, was a big fan of the southern teams and big enemy of the northern giants (Milan, Inter, Juve).

At the end Napoli won by 2 points and exactly these 2 points vs Verona gave lo scudetto to Napoli. Because if they finished leveled on points Milan would have been the champ because of the superior GD (Goal difference counted back then, not h2h)

Like i told you, i don't know what really happened and what is truth and what is a lie. But by the look of things i'd say Napoli stole that Scudetto from Milan.

Vadim
06-08-2007, 11:28
Thank you Tony :)

As far as I know one of the goals Verona scored was also a clear offside.

Anyways, as far as I can tell even from the highlights the Napoli-Milan matches always have an incredible atmosphere, so I'm looking forward to them this seasonr.

Tony29.
06-08-2007, 12:06
Thank you Tony :)

As far as I know one of the goals Verona scored was also a clear offside.

Anyways, as far as I can tell even from the highlights the Napoli-Milan matches always have an incredible atmosphere, so I'm looking forward to them this seasonr.
Well, back in those times Milan and Napoli were the best teams, not only in Italy, but in the world.
Milan had Van Basten, Gullit, Maldini, Baresi, Rijkaard while Napoli had Maradona, Ferrarra, Careca, Carnevale, Alemao and young Zola.
No surprise the atmosphere was incredible when these 2 teams played.

I don't think the atmosphere this year will be similar to the one from 1989/90.
So, don't be disappointed if Milan-Napoli turns out to be just an ordinary match :)

Off topic, for Mehdi :
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=23&a=50648

An hour ago, the linesman Cristiano Copelli was given a 2 years suspension from football because of the phone conversations he and Meani had in March and April 2005.
Don't you wonder what were they talking about ? ;)

Sorry for the off topic :flirt:

Mehdi
06-08-2007, 12:14
You know Mehdi, if i want to defend Juve and that's what i am here, people like you make my job much easier, especially with "took the bullet for Juve" comments.

I will not reply, and believe me i can give you a hell of a reply, to most of your comments.


In your dreams. Defending Juve is like defending OJ Simpson.


The December match Juventus-Milan being "fixed" because the ref didn't give two "clear" penalties to Milan.

You forgot one thing - the match ended 0:0 and Juventus didn't win.


And? Juve were 4 points ahead going into this match. I repeat on this match the Naples state judicial investigation concluded :

"Moggi and Fabiani were the instigators and they performed fraudulent acts designed to influence the final result. A finality that was carried out by Bertini. who operated so that he might achieve a result favourable to Moggi's team."


Tell me, why would Juve fix the match and don't win it at the end ?

Because Milan was so powerful and even with ref help Juve couldn't win ?


You need to attack to win matches.


I believe this will be your answer.

See above.


Then, even if Milan was much superior all it take for the "bribed" ref to give the win to Juve was a long ball from Buffon, a dive by Ibrahimovic and the ref would have given a penalty. But that didn't happen.

Probably because he couldn't get near our defence.


On the oposite, i have a picture (at the bottom of the post) from this match.

Ibrahimovic makes a cross and Costacurta stops the ball with his hand. Costacurta stopped the ball at the line and imo this wasn't a penalty.

You obviously forgot to bribe the linesman as well.


But a bribed ref would have certainly given a penalty. A fair ref would have given a free kick. But this "pro-Juve" ref didn't give anything, except for yellow cards to Juve players who protested.

He didn't give two clear penalties to Milan.


I'm disgusted how people always blame Juve for their failures. It is now so easy to blame Juve for everything. What is hard is to give a proper answer to an argument reply. Can you do that ?

I have given a proper answer. FACT. Your doctor was CONVICTED of administering steroids. FACT. Moggi has his hands all over Calciopoli. Juventus can't win clean, all their titles are tainted and now their name is as tarnished in Europe as it has always been in Italy and I'll make damn sure it stays that way.

Mehdi
06-08-2007, 12:17
Off topic, for Mehdi :
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=23&a=50648

An hour ago, the linesman Cristiano Copelli was given a 2 years suspension from football because of the phone conversations he and Meani had in March and April 2005.
Don't you wonder what were they talking about ? ;)

Sorry for the off topic :flirt:

And? I told you Milan got exactly what they deserved, -8 points. Unlike you I accept our punishment for our part in this scandal. Meani was a nobody at the club, he was already gone before the Calciopoli scandal broke.

Ghost
06-08-2007, 12:25
We should just relax and chill out (Mehdi & Tony)

I heard Inter are interested in Samir Nasri - however so are Madrid and I think they are prepared to pay silly money for him. I wouldnt mind him at Milan, IMHO he is so much like Zidane.

Tony29.
06-08-2007, 12:39
And? I told you Milan got exactly what they deserved, -8 points. Unlike you I accept our punishment for our part in this scandal. Meani was a nobody at the club, he was already gone before the Calciopoli scandal broke.
Wait, there are more punishments to come with Meani involved. This was only the first one ;)
Meani had conversations ( from February to May, just when the winner of serie A was decided) with ~10 refs and linesmen

Milan would have been relegated if Galliani did the same things Meani did - Fact
Milan got an easy punishment because the prosecutors didn't have proves that Meani was payed by Milan. Milan lawyers presented phone bills payed by Meani and that was the decisive moment. They've proven that Milan had nothing to do with Meani and Meani was fixing the matches on his own.
Go and keep lying to yourself that Galliani had no idea what was Meani doing.

I'm saying this again and i'll keep saying it to you (by PM's, i won't bother the others anymore) until you understand :
What Meani was doing was MATCH FIXING. Milan lawyers never denied it. They only denied that the club had anything to do with the man who was fixing the matches, Meani.
They said that Meani was doing all these things on his own.

Read this : Do You Understand ?

Oh, and what the investigators said about Milan-Juve match. They had doubts about that, they didn't find proves about it so that match isn't among the fixed matches ;)

I'm off of this discussion, period. Please ban me if i continue discussing this with Mehdi.
The man is so stubborn and i feel like talking to wood :irritate:

hwmook
06-08-2007, 12:40
this is well and beyond far so not connected with each other I can't phantom how you could say it. How can Nesta's being injuried a lot tell that he was better than Canna? Indeed I do think he actually was better than Canna, but that is hardly shameful on Cannavaro to have Nesta before him.

I think you need to include what i quote before my comment to actually make sense of my comments. I was replying on why Canna seem better than Nesta in the NT and that's because Nesta is always injuried in WC. IMO, Nesta is always a class above cannavaro.

Canna when paired with Nesta and Maldini is one hell of a defender. When he play for the NT, he is definitely one of the best defender in the world no doubt. His performances when playing beside Nesta and Maldini is on par with the 2. But when he played for Parma, he is still a very good defender but doesn't show any of his NT form, he seem to be a class below Nesta and Maldini, i am not saying he is not good but he doesn't seem to be able to hold his own fortress like Nesta used to do for Lazio and Maldini does for Milan. Maybe the way i phrase it doesn't convey my intended message. No way do i mean Canna is just an average defender like for example materazzi.....

hwmook
06-08-2007, 12:43
Now I would rate Zambrotta as the best transfer we could make, but that is because he can cover both sides and that would mean a offensive alternative to both Janku and Oddo.


That is very true. IMO Zambrotta is exactly what we need and he would be the best transfer for me if it goes thru. I don't want ronaldinho, Eto'o, just give me zambrotta.

Tony29.
06-08-2007, 12:55
I think you need to include what i quote before my comment to actually make sense of my comments. I was replying on why Canna seem better than Nesta in the NT and that's because Nesta is always injuried in WC. IMO, Nesta is always a class above cannavaro.

Canna when paired with Nesta and Maldini is one hell of a defender. When he play for the NT, he is definitely one of the best defender in the world no doubt. His performances when playing beside Nesta and Maldini is on par with the 2. But when he played for Parma, he is still a very good defender but doesn't show any of his NT form, he seem to be a class below Nesta and Maldini, i am not saying he is not good but he doesn't seem to be able to hold his own fortress like Nesta used to do for Lazio and Maldini does for Milan. Maybe the way i phrase it doesn't convey my intended message. No way do i mean Canna is just an average defender like for example materazzi.....
It's a matter of personal likes and dislikes so don't take it for bad if i say that Materazzi is also a hell of a defender.
I really hate the pr..k and his butcher style but what's fair is fair - the man knows how to defend. I even found myself being jealous for not having him in my team.

I also disagree on Cannavaro. Actually, i don't completely disagree with you because you are maybe right and there is no way to prove you wrong.
Cannavaro did always have a top class next to him when he was playing great.
In Parma he had Bennarivo and Thuram, in Italy he had Nesta and Maldini and in Juve he had Thuram again (also, lets not forget Parma, Juve and Italy have/had Buffon at the goal and Buffon rarely conceded more than 25 goals per season in A. So we can say that even Buffon made Italian, Juves and Parmas defense to look even better than they actually were).
But nevertheless, i think you're very much wrong about Canna in Parma. He was brilliant there. Maybe it was because of Buffon, Thuram and Benarrivo but it's a fact he was great, no matter the reason.

sveto
06-08-2007, 13:20
I think someone needs to tell Dr. Galiani, to pay close attention on Freddy Adu, the 18 year old guy that just last week was bought by Benfica, This guy has a great potential and talent. Plus taking into consideration that it is really hard to see Pippo beyond 2008 with the rosoneri jersey, furthermore R99 contract is for only one year, he might decide to follow Bechkam steps into USA, lured by the big money.

hwmook
06-08-2007, 13:32
It's a matter of personal likes and dislikes so don't take it for bad if i say that Materazzi is also a hell of a defender.
I really hate the pr..k and his butcher style but what's fair is fair - the man knows how to defend. I even found myself being jealous for not having him in my team.

I also disagree on Cannavaro. Actually, i don't completely disagree with you because you are maybe right and there is no way to prove you wrong.
Cannavaro did always have a top class next to him when he was playing great.
In Parma he had Bennarivo and Thuram, in Italy he had Nesta and Maldini and in Juve he had Thuram again (also, lets not forget Parma, Juve and Italy have/had Buffon at the goal and Buffon rarely conceded more than 25 goals per season in A. So we can say that even Buffon made Italian, Juves and Parmas defense to look even better than they actually were).
But nevertheless, i think you're very much wrong about Canna in Parma. He was brilliant there. Maybe it was because of Buffon, Thuram and Benarrivo but it's a fact he was great, no matter the reason.

I am the kind of guy who admire great tackles and defences. I just feel that watching Canna in Parma doesn't give me the same type of feel as when he was playing for the NT. Maybe its because buffon impress me much more when i watch Parma matches. :grinser:

Oh and Materazzi can't be one hell of a defender cos Canna would impress at inter then. :devf:

Tony29.
06-08-2007, 13:44
Oh and Materazzi can't be one hell of a defender cos Canna would impress at inter then. :devf:
Yeah, i though of it when i was writing the previous post but i left it out on purpose hoping that you won't notice :devf:

Giorgos
06-08-2007, 14:08
[QUOTE=Tony29.]Ah, lack of transfer activity, look where it took us :)

Girgos - you owe me a beer and we'll make it 5 beers because you just said that you hate Juventus ! And i chose the place - Bouat Melodia

Five beers! your woman will kill me :grinser: .

According to Spanish press, if Real will fail to get Robben the alternative will be Quaresma. Ballack denies Chelsea exit and denies that he will play for Real next season.

Figo stated that he must be his replacement in Inter

5. Zigic is very very close to Valencia. This means one of the attackers will leave Valencia ?

I was yesterday informed that Lyon is looking for a striker, some of their targets Trezeguet, Morientes. So Fernando may return back to France after the unforgetable year he had with Monaco. Of course i would be delighted if the whole situation was for Villa coming in Milan. Whatever will do they must do it soon because in a few days they have the third qualificative round for CL.

Mehdi
06-08-2007, 14:33
Wait, there are more punishments to come with Meani involved. This was only the first one ;)
Meani had conversations ( from February to May, just when the winner of serie A was decided) with ~10 refs and linesmen

I'm stunned at this revelation. You mean to tell me Milan's REFEREE LIASON talked to linesman and referees?


Milan would have been relegated if Galliani did the same things Meani did - Fact
Milan got an easy punishment because the prosecutors didn't have proves that Meani was payed by Milan. Milan lawyers presented phone bills payed by Meani and that was the decisive moment. They've proven that Milan had nothing to do with Meani and Meani was fixing the matches on his own.
Go and keep lying to yourself that Galliani had no idea what was Meani doing.

I'm saying this again and i'll keep saying it to you (by PM's, i won't bother the others anymore) until you understand :
What Meani was doing was MATCH FIXING. Milan lawyers never denied it. They only denied that the club had anything to do with the man who was fixing the matches, Meani.
They said that Meani was doing all these things on his own.

Read this : Do You Understand ?

Meani was not fixing matches. He didn't have the influence. He was a low ranking official who was no longer at the club BEFORE Calciopoli broke. That's a huge difference from that and the top guys at Juve being in cahoots with the officials who ran the Italian game. As for Galliani when he was league president Juve won two scudettos under his watch so IF he was in on it he couldn't even do that right. Your lame attempts to raise Milan on the same level as Juve won't work. We've come out of this smelling of roses especially as most of the non Italian press continually underplay Milan's role, and rightly so, while in Italy the only reason we were punished at all is because Berlusconi has enemies.


Oh, and what the investigators said about Milan-Juve match. They had doubts about that, they didn't find proves about it so that match isn't among the fixed matches ;)


What the prosecutors said is enough.

acdc81
06-08-2007, 14:40
could you please stop this nonsense? if not please take this conversation to another thread. this one is about the mercato, calciopoli discussions should clearly be in antoher place.

Giorgos
06-08-2007, 14:47
could you please stop this nonsense? if not please take this conversation to another thread. this one is about the mercato, calciopoli discussions should clearly be in antoher place.

I agree with AC...

Paolo3
06-08-2007, 15:21
You might be accepted by others, most of who clearly aren't familiar with our history and how we've been screwed over by Juve and Moggi in the past, but I don't play nice with Juventino especially those who defend their wretched team on a Milan forum. You talk about when Juve was winning and Milan was left empty-handed? What are you going to teach us about winning? How to win by manipulating officials, using steroids and in front of three fans in the stadio della empty? That's a lesson we don't want to learn. We don't need lessons on winning from anyone, least of all from a Juventino.
Sorry to get in the middle, but this is a forum I follow very often (although I hardly make a post, :dielaugh: ) mostly because I love the clean enviroment here, please keep it that way, I also dislike Juventus a lot, but there's a big difference between disliking a team and disliking their fans, and specially a fan that in my opinion brings a very objective point of view when posts about Milan.

Again sorry to get in the middle but I would like to keep reading through the posts from this very entertaining forum without seeing those harsh attacks on other members.

Giorgos
06-08-2007, 15:23
Ancelotti: It's not good enough

http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/aug6c.html

Milan boss Carlo Ancelotti is far from satisfied with the Rossoneri’s pre-season preparations despite seeing his side squeeze past Lokomotiv Moscow on Sunday.

The Diavoli needed two goals in the last three minutes to avoid defeat before eventually triumphing on penalty kicks to secure third place in the Moscow tournament.

Ancelotti will be worried by how sluggish the European champions looked, especially in the first half and knows that there is a lot of work to do before the season gets underway.

“We made too many errors and let Lokomotiv control the pace of the game,” he lamented in his post-match Press conference.

“We played better when the game was slowed down and then we showed our quality, but we are still behind in our preparation.”

“However, we are working hard at the moment and we will get our pace soon,” the ex-Juventus boss concluded.

Milan have a chance to redeem themselves when they face Spanish side Real Betis on August 9.

Stitch
06-08-2007, 15:49
ccc toni, pametniji popusta, trebao si ga davno ukinut :D

Kaka--7thUCL
06-08-2007, 15:51
There is nothing to worry about, Milan is in top form, they breezed by Lecco, well, hopefully we see more transfers, our sluggish form is due to us not having any good LB's!

ACMILAN1983
06-08-2007, 16:04
Tony and Mehdi, if you guys want to discuss Calciopolli, please continue in the appropriate thread. This topic has gone way off topic.

R9naldo
06-08-2007, 16:05
any one knows whats a good channel in the us to watch milan games...i have direct tv and im trying to buy a packet or something ...i just dont wanna miss any games

Tony29.
06-08-2007, 16:20
Tony and Mehdi, if you guys want to discuss Calciopolli, please continue in the appropriate thread. This topic has gone way off topic.
I already said i'm out of this discussion Dev and i have no intention to continue in Mogipolli topic.

@Stitch :diablo:

Tony29.
06-08-2007, 16:27
I would have edited my previous post but this is completely different...... :

Guys, what happened to Barusso from Rimini ? I mean what happened so he didn't end up in Milan but in Roma. I thought he was a done deal ? :rolleyes:

I was reading Lippis comments about this year mercato and he said this for Roma :
“I’d say in terms of quality there is no change. They also signed players like Ludovic Giuly, Mauro Esposito and Ahmed Barusso, who left me open mouthed when I saw him play for Rimini in Serie B.”

Usually Lippi has the nose for good players so i trust him on this that Barusso is a very good player. What happened so Milan didn't buy him ?

Thanx

Ghost
06-08-2007, 17:19
Tony all I heard was we had first refual on him, but then god knows what happened. Then again Roma is a feeders club, when hes ready they'l let him go.

ea1899
06-08-2007, 17:25
I believe we will perform usual performance by Milan standard this season despite our slow pre season starts. We all can see against Sevilla on August 26.

zlatanov
06-08-2007, 17:48
I would have edited my previous post but this is completely different...... :

Guys, what happened to Barusso from Rimini ? I mean what happened so he didn't end up in Milan but in Roma. I thought he was a done deal ? :rolleyes:

I was reading Lippis comments about this year mercato and he said this for Roma :
“I’d say in terms of quality there is no change. They also signed players like Ludovic Giuly, Mauro Esposito and Ahmed Barusso, who left me open mouthed when I saw him play for Rimini in Serie B.”

Usually Lippi has the nose for good players so i trust him on this that Barusso is a very good player. What happened so Milan didn't buy him ?

Thanx
Barusso had a very serious injury at the beginning of last season and after 8 games for Rimini, his season was practically over - he broke both the fibula and tibia of one of his legs, I believe - and despite the assertions by doctors that the bones had healed well, it proved to be enough for Milan to pull out of a virtually done deal - as mentioned, Milan had first refusal on him, in the words of Rimini's president, who said that Milan's interest in the player had gradually diminished after the injury.

Still, Roma bought only half of Barusso - although Rimini wanted to sell the whole 100% of the player's rights - and it seems even they had doubts about him.
Should he turn out to be something really special, I would expect Milan to be first in line for the other half of Barusso's playing rights given the close relations with Rimini.

hany.Egypt
06-08-2007, 18:19
And? I told you Milan got exactly what they deserved, -8 points. Unlike you I accept our punishment for our part in this scandal. Meani was a nobody at the club, he was already gone before the Calciopoli scandal broke.
There is nothing called Milan got exactly what they deserved, -8 poits,they cheated like Juve, Firontena, Lazio and Regena,so they must be heavily punished not because of there role but because of sending some weaker Seria A sides to second division, and for destroying the league reputation.
I am a Milan fan though I am in the opinion that Milan get away with what they did, I was againest sending Juve to Seria B unless other convicted teams are also send with it, otherwise only make them all start with Minus.
I know I may get killed for that, but again its the truth, may be you cant see it because you really love Milan and really hate Juve while, I in the contrary love both teams and just prefer one team(Milan) on another.
So take it easy and please dont kill me :) .

Tony29.
06-08-2007, 18:53
Barusso had a very serious injury at the beginning of last season and after 8 games for Rimini, his season was practically over - he broke both the fibula and tibia of one of his legs, I believe - and despite the assertions by doctors that the bones had healed well, it proved to be enough for Milan to pull out of a virtually done deal - as mentioned, Milan had first refusal on him, in the words of Rimini's president, who said that Milan's interest in the player had gradually diminished after the injury.

Still, Roma bought only half of Barusso - although Rimini wanted to sell the whole 100% of the player's rights - and it seems even they had doubts about him.
Should he turn out to be something really special, I would expect Milan to be first in line for the other half of Barusso's playing rights given the close relations with Rimini.
Aha, this explains everything.
Milan decided to play secure even if they may pay 5 times more than they would have. Then again, maybe you saved few million E.

Dunno how smart was that. Given the fact that you have a world class starting XI you were in position to experiment and take the risk.
But like i always say - Galliani knows better than we do. I guess everything was well calculated when you decided to let him go somewhere else.

thomas_h
06-08-2007, 20:14
ok2 . . .
anyone here ever watched Digao at Rimini ? how many times did he play ? was he in the first team ? how was he ? actually, he has good physical & maybe good in aerial ability . . .
about ibrahim Ba ( iBou ) where did he play last season ? is he still 'good' now ? maybe he can cover brocchi`s position . . .

Hasan Rossonero
06-08-2007, 21:19
Today's Gazzetta:

- Due to the unconvincing displays of Gourcuff in particular and Milan generally, Milan are looking for some more additions. And the name...? Ronaldinho.

- On Milan channel Galliani was asked if more reinforcements would arrive, and he responded with "I prefer not to comment on that" rather than a categorical "no".

- Baptista is a name being thrown around again.

- The players who looked very good in pre-season are Brocchi, Bonera, and Kaladze.

remote2book
06-08-2007, 22:02
i watchd the lyon match yesterday against auxere...........reallyy good young player they have......ben harfa..he is only 20 yrs old...really good player but i dont know y our managment never really buys any players from france..

Mystik
06-08-2007, 22:09
Today's Gazzetta:

- Due to the unconvincing displays of Gourcuff in particular and Milan generally, Milan are looking for some more additions. And the name...? Ronaldinho.

- On Milan channel Galliani was asked if more reinforcements would arrive, and he responded with "I prefer not to comment on that" rather than a categorical "no".

- Baptista is a name being thrown around again.

- The players who looked very good in pre-season are Brocchi, Bonera, and Kaladze.
I REALLY doubt getting someone of Ronaldinho's calibre would depend on whether Gourcuff was playing well or not. Poor Gourcuff is played in a different position like every match..is probably confused as to his role on the field. I still think he'll come good though.

Russo-Neri
06-08-2007, 22:10
Today's Gazzetta:


- On Milan channel Galliani was asked if more reinforcements would arrive, and he responded with "I prefer not to comment on that" rather than a categorical "no".



He can't say "no", because everyone knows it would be a lie. Common sense tells you we're not done with the transfer market. Before the transfer market even started, team management stated ad nauseum about how the team would get a player to solidify their attack. Who did they get? A (promising) 17 year old who can't even play until January. Meanwhile, they loan out RO making our attack even weaker than it already was and, coupled with the Inzaghi, R99 and Gila injuries, there's virtually nothing left. At the very least, you have to assume that we still haven't signed ROs replacement yet.


It very likely won't be a superstar like R10 or Eto'o, but Baptista certainly fits the bill.

Kaka--7thUCL
06-08-2007, 22:40
Today's Gazzetta:

- Due to the unconvincing displays of Gourcuff in particular and Milan generally, Milan are looking for some more additions. And the name...? Ronaldinho.

- On Milan channel Galliani was asked if more reinforcements would arrive, and he responded with "I prefer not to comment on that" rather than a categorical "no".

- Baptista is a name being thrown around again.

- The players who looked very good in pre-season are Brocchi, Bonera, and Kaladze.

Yay hopes of ronaldinho have been regained,hopefully we do infact get him finally and thankfully, him kaka and ronaldo is probly better then van basten gullit and rijkaard of our old milan!

Kaka--7thUCL
06-08-2007, 22:42
He can't say "no", because everyone knows it would be a lie. Common sense tells you we're not done with the transfer market. Before the transfer market even started, team management stated ad nauseum about how the team would get a player to solidify their attack. Who did they get? A (promising) 17 year old who can't even play until January. Meanwhile, they loan out RO making our attack even weaker than it already was and, coupled with the Inzaghi, R99 and Gila injuries, there's virtually nothing left. At the very least, you have to assume that we still haven't signed ROs replacement yet.


It very likely won't be a superstar like R10 or Eto'o, but Baptista certainly fits the bill.

Very good post, I agree though, if it is a superstar we should me over greatful, but more realisticly it would be someone like Baptista or an lb/midfielder, let's hope for ronaldinho though. :p017:

zlatanov
06-08-2007, 22:54
Today's Gazzetta:

- Due to the unconvincing displays of Gourcuff in particular and Milan generally, Milan are looking for some more additions. And the name...? Ronaldinho.

- On Milan channel Galliani was asked if more reinforcements would arrive, and he responded with "I prefer not to comment on that" rather than a categorical "no".

- Baptista is a name being thrown around again.

- The players who looked very good in pre-season are Brocchi, Bonera, and Kaladze.
yeah, gazzetta is again making sense - our back-up midfielder is (supposedly) not convincing so let's go buy us the most sought-after and expensive player out there :stupid: :grinser:

I have to say I was quite pleased with what Gorky showed vs PSV - couldn't watch the Loko M game so I can't comment on that - but how is a young player like Gorky, who as Mystik said, is probably still confused about his role on the field, and who is given opportunities that can be counted on the fingers of one hand, settle in and show what he is capable of in 1 pre-season game and a couple of training sessions?

It's wuite obvious IMO that how Gorky performs or not is irrelevent to whether we go for reinforcements as we simply need them given that the squad currently has 23 players (not counting Digao and Ba and all the youngsters like Wily, Darmian etc)

P.S. thanls for the updates, Hasan ... I am sure they gave hope to many of MM's more impatient members :grinser:

Kaka--7thUCL
06-08-2007, 23:54
Yeah you can put the spotlight on me if you wana talk about impatient members, I was hoping for 4-5 great players to come in and so far only one, can't say I'm not disappointed but getting ronaldinho counts the same, so I'd be happy with that too, doubt we'll get him though, still, Barca is too packed with talents and they must be expecting to win all cups next year if they hope to keep them all. I hope one of either Zambrotta or Ronaldinho come to milan, if not, we're probly ending up with "The Beast" as a temporary forward (I hope) until January where Pato will be good to go. Then of course Baptista could be ideal for UCL since i don't think pato can play since hes starting in jan?

Kaka--7thUCL
06-08-2007, 23:57
But by a midfielder, I was hoping of more of a DM then a CAM like ronaldinho, if we can find someone to replace one of seedorf or someone to replace gattuso (in the long run of course) then that would probably better then spending all this crazy money on ronaldinho, where we can then also get an LB :)

Gabriel489
07-08-2007, 02:12
I am back peeps, did any of you miss me!

Anyhow, I guess my little time off without any news or internet access for Milan news have not hurt at all, since nothing happened.

Can anyone update me on what is going on with Milan, I mean, did they really played that bad in Moscow?

Siregar
07-08-2007, 03:08
i watchd the lyon match yesterday against auxere...........reallyy good young player they have......ben harfa..he is only 20 yrs old...really good player but i dont know y our managment never really buys any players from france..
I also watched the game. He came in the 2.nd half and I think, his performance on that day was not really good. How he dribbled, moved and played with the ball in that match, IMO, did give me an info that he need to gain so many matches to develop and be prepared for the game from the first minute of the game especially in Serie A.

We have last year bought Gourcuff from France but I'm sorry that I forget the name of his previous club.

kris
07-08-2007, 03:14
Gourcuff came from Rennes.

kris
07-08-2007, 03:21
ok2 . . .
anyone here ever watched Digao at Rimini ? how many times did he play ? was he in the first team ? how was he ? actually, he has good physical & maybe good in aerial ability . . .
about ibrahim Ba ( iBou ) where did he play last season ? is he still 'good' now ? maybe he can cover brocchi`s position . . .

Ibrahim Ba can't cover anyone and I would be amazed if he featured any in the first team at all.


Should he turn out to be something really special, I would expect Milan to be first in line for the other half of Barusso's playing rights given the close relations with Rimini.

I am sure yuo can't buy 50% of a player in Italy without buying the other teams 50% too. Basically a 50% ownership can't be moved from one club to another.

Siregar
07-08-2007, 03:31
Gourcuff came from Rennes.
Thanks for helping me to name that club. :)

ForeverMilan
07-08-2007, 04:21
i think that now we need someone in defence and in midfield,firstly we need a creative left wing back like Lahm who can also can play at RWB when oddo injured and then Kalström of Lyon would be a perfect signing for us,He can replace Ambrossini in 4-5-1,he is very versatile,know how to defense as well,Lahm,Mexes or barzagli plus Kalström would make us world's best by a mile.

thomas_h
07-08-2007, 05:27
Baptista is good. He`s STRONG !!!!!!! He played as DMC in Sao Paulo, FW in Sevilla & Real & Arsenal, AMC in Brazil ( Copa America `07 ) . Inzaghi & Ronaldo are prone to injury, Gilardino had just been operated, so . . . . . . . . Milan will play Kaka as a second striker ( again ) at least until January ( Pato can play ) although Kaka prefers the 'trequartista' role . . . unless we get Julio Baptista or another striker, Cassano maybe or we give Aubameyang another chance.
In defense, i think we get all covered well : Nesta ( retires from the Azzuri so he`s 100 % Milan ), Kaladze , Maldini ( hope he`ll get well soon ), Bonera, Simic ( just in case ), Digao & Darmian ( our new Costacurta maybe . . .). Oddo & Cafu ( he`s a good backup ) for RB, Janku & Favalli & Serginho for LB

zlatanov
07-08-2007, 06:10
I am sure yuo can't buy 50% of a player in Italy without buying the other teams 50% too. Basically a 50% ownership can't be moved from one club to another.
that could well be the case although I haven't read a rule like that ... still, Rimini could table a surprisingly high bid at the auctions, can't they? ;)

thomas_h
07-08-2007, 07:39
In midfield, we have gattuso ( irreplaceable ) , pirlo ( maestro ), seedorf ( il pantera ) , ambrosini ( hope he will be fine all through the season ), brocchi ( good pre-season ), gourcuff ( still lack of confidence, he need more matches ) , KAKA ( no comment, the best player in the world ) . If Seedorf and / or Kaka get injured then we`ll have a big problem. Last season, Kaka was very very fit although he played almost 50 matches with MIlan and we`re very lucky. IMO, we need another midfielder that can play as AMC or even FW , i suggest Julio Baptista or Kim kallstrom ( 24 yrs old ) (http://tribalfootball.com/article.php?id=50930)

Corriere dello Sport -> MIlan will get Barzagli ( 26 yrs old ) for defense, Motta ( 24 yrs old ) for midfield & JUlio Baptista ( 25 yrs old ) ......................... EXCELLENT !!!!!!!!

lked
07-08-2007, 07:45
Not sure if we really are after Kallstrom since the news is just on tribalfootball

mzk57
07-08-2007, 07:55
So who is coming to ACM???? I hope its not Eto'o or Ronaldinho :)
Any chances of ACM getting a GOOD new GK??? or we will sill stick to that ordinary player :mad:

Robben to ACM?????

zlatanov
07-08-2007, 08:05
Not sure if we really are after Kallstrom since the news is just on tribalfootball
actually, the rumour appeared first on TuttoSport, which isn't exactly the most trusted source out there but still better than tribal (although it's questionable how much better :D):
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=12&a=50696

Lyon seem to be unwilling to sell Kallstrom, though given that they already sold Tiago and Alou Diarra.
With the French League already under way, I doubt they would be willing to part with Kallastrom (btw, he is 27 yo) this year.

Tony29.
07-08-2007, 08:10
News :

1. The deal with Mark Bresciano is almost done. The Palermo man will play in England next year with Manchester City

2. Heinze denies Juve rumors and said that only one offer has arrived and it was from Liverpool. As you know, SAF will not let Heinze go to Liverpool but he gave the green light for his departure. Heinze will leave ManUtd but it's still unclear where he will go.
Maybe Milan ?

3. Ranieri said that Juve's mercato is closed eventhough a defender, midfielder and another attacker could do well. Chiellini won't leave the club and even if Zalayeta leaves Juve no more attackers will be bought.

4. Barzagli says again how he wants to stay another year in Palermo, besides the offer from Juve, but he also added that he's pleased and very thankful to Nesta for the kind words the Milan defender said about him.

5. Makelele won't leave Chelsea and he won't play in Italy , according to his agent.

6. Inter offered Cesar (ex-Lazio) to Juve on loan !
Thank you Moratti, i'm really touched with this gesture of yours :(



Corriere dello Sport -> MIlan will get Barzagli ( 26 yrs old ) for defense, Motta ( 24 yrs old ) for midfield & JUlio Baptista ( 25 yrs old ) ......................... EXCELLENT !!!!!!!!
One more hour to go and i will be able to read today's Corriere and i will translate the article.

sorenpind
07-08-2007, 08:16
Cheers mate! These news round-ups are much appreciated :)

lked
07-08-2007, 08:50
actually, the rumour appeared first on TuttoSport, which isn't exactly the most trusted source out there but still better than tribal (although it's questionable how much better :D):
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=12&a=50696

Lyon seem to be unwilling to sell Kallstrom, though given that they already sold Tiago and Alou Diarra.
With the French League already under way, I doubt they would be willing to part with Kallastrom (btw, he is 27 yo) this year.
Wow I'm surprised i thought he was 22-23 something like that btw just fined out his birthday and mine are same day 24 August :zany: so he can't be bad :grinser:

King tiger
07-08-2007, 09:56
:D im back from m vacation , can anyone tell me did we signed anyone ( pato not included XD )

can pato play for us in this season ?

Tony29.
07-08-2007, 10:20
Corriere dello Sport -> MIlan will get Barzagli ( 26 yrs old ) for defense, Motta ( 24 yrs old ) for midfield & JUlio Baptista ( 25 yrs old ) ......................... EXCELLENT !!!!!!!!

Here are the 3 articles. I'll give them in Italian and translate them shortly

Barzagli
Se la fase di rieducazio*ne e di preparazione non avrà intoppi, Paolo Maldini tornerà a giocare all’inizio di ottobre. Giu*sto in tempo per scaldar*si in vista del Mondiale per club. Oggi la difesa del Milan, a differenza di quella dell’Inter, ha quat*tro titolari certi e quat*tro riserve sicure. E la differenza è davvero ec*cessiva. Do*menica, a Mosca, An*celotti ha schierato quest’ultime tutte insieme ed è stato un disastro (come lo stes*so tecnico, usando toni diversi, ha sottolineato a fine partita) con errori sparsi di Simic, di Bone*ra e di Favalli.
Nesta e Kaladze sono due ottimi centrali, di grande affidabilità tecni*ca ma non fisica. Nesta ha appena annunciato l’addio alla Nazionale portando come giusta causa la necessità di far respirare il fisico: sei operazioni e altri vari in*fortuni lasciano il segno in un giocatore di 31 an*ni. E anche Kaladze, l’an*no scorso, si è fermato a lungo. Che altro può in*ventarsi Ancelotti in ca*so di nuovi ma non inedi*ti infortuni? Ambrosini difensore centrale? Può essere un’idea ( una di quelle che hanno con*traddistinto il cammino milanista di Carletto), ma la ne*cessità di un difensore come Barzagli è eviden*te. O in alternativa Zac*cardo. Chivu, che avreb*be aggiunto molto di più al Milan che all’Inter, era sul mercato, ora occorre comunque un difensore che abbia buona espe*rienza e che possa sosti*tuire senza problemi Ne*sta o Kaladze. Siamo sempre lì: 60 partite sono così tante che servono rincalzi anche se non di primissimo livello.

According to the author Milan has problems in defense. Compared to Inter, who have 4 starters and 4 equally good bench defenders, Ancelotti doesn't have that choice. Maldini is out until October and Milan's defense in Moscow was a disaster, especially Simic, Bonera and Favalli.
Nesta and Kaladze are great center defenders but they are great technically, not physically and they get easily injured.
In this case Ancelotti can come out with the idea of Ambrosini playing a CD but it's big risk and that's why Milan evidently needs new CD.
Such defender is Andrea Barzagli, or if not him, then Zaccardo.

So, nothing about Barzagli to Milan. Only the author of this article thinks Barzagli will be a good choice.

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Thiago Motta

Una delle ultime volte che Galliani ha parlato del mercato del Milan è stato per dire che nell’anno della cessione di Shevchen*ko e dell’arrivo di Oliveira (con tutto il rispetto per un acquisto sbandierato come grande colpo esattamente un anno fa e presto naufra*gato), il Mi*lan ha vinto la Cham*pions Lea*gue. Sarebbe meglio, pe*rò, non di*menticare che quella sera ad Ate*ne i cinque acquisti del*l’estate rossonera erano sparsi fra panchina (Faval*li e Brocchi) e tribuna (Gourcuff, Oliveira e Bone*ra). E sarebbe ancora più utile ricordarsi che la svol*ta è nata da un’idea di An*celotti: fuori una punta, dentro Ambrosini. Certo, l’allenatore viene stipen*diato ( e lautamente) per trovare soluzioni, ma senza sentirsi Mancini, Schuster o Rijkaard, avrebbe biso*gno pure lui di un minimo di assistenza.

Se, come pare (e come in*dicano le condizioni fisiche dei tre attaccanti), il Milan giocherà con una punta e due trequartisti, uno di questi due ( cioè Seedorf) non va più considerato cen*trocampista. E dunque il reparto conta su tre titola*ri, Gattuso, Pirlo e Ambro*sini, più Brocchi e Gourcuff che continua a mostrarsi inespressivo nonostante il battage pro*mozionale di questa e del*la scorsa stagione. Il Milan giocherà una sessantina di partite ed è difficile crede*re che possa rinunciare a un rinforzo a centrocampo, a uno come Motta (ma c’è la concorrenza della Juve) e come Emerson (inseguito anche dall’Inter). Il primo rescinderà il contratto col Barcellona, il secondo ver*rà sicuramente ceduto. At*tenzione anche ai francesi come Bodmer del Lilla, Makelele, in rotta col Chel*sea e Mavuba.

The last time Galliani has spoken about mercato , he said that even when Shevchenko left, with the arival of new players Milan still won the CL. But he forgot to mention that in Athens all the newcomers were either sitting on the bench (Favalli, Brocchi) or in the stands (Gourcuff, Oliveira, Bonera).

As it looks, Milan will play with one attacker and two trequartisti (Kaka and Seedorf). The others in midfeild will be Gattuso, Pirlo and Ambrossini while on the bench Milan has only Brocchi and Gourcuff.
It's more than clear that Milan needs another midfielder and this is where Motta's name comes out.
Not only Motta, but even Emerson, Bodmer, Makelele and Mavuba are among the players that may end up in Milan.

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Julio Baptista

Le prime due amichevoli internazionali le ha gio*cate Willy Aubameyang, vent’anni, parigino, figlio d’arte ed ex attaccante del*la Primavera. Giudizio: troppo tenero per certe di*fese. Crescerà, ma ancora è lontanissimo dal Milan. Ronaldo, Inzaghi e Gilardi*no erano ac*ciaccati e per l’ami*chevole di Siviglia re*cupererà so*lo l’ultimo dei tre. Se*condo Ance*lotti, è un’emergenza da niente, insignificante. Ma su Pip*po, lo stesso tecnico ha det*to che dovrà pensare più alla qualità di certe partite che alla quantità (e infatti l’obiettivo è di averlo tito*lare in Supercoppa), men*tre sulla resistenza all’ec*cessiva usura di Ronaldo c’è sempre qualche dub*bio, più o meno corposo. Quanto a Gilardino, ha an*cora qualcosa da dimostra*re in campo internaziona*le.
Ancelotti inserisce anche Pato fra gli attaccanti, ma quando sarà disponibile (a gennaio), ammesso che un ragazzo di 18 anni possa partire alla pari degli altri, il Milan avrà già giocato la Supercoppa Europea, il Mondiale per club, quasi tutto il girone d’andata del campionato e il girone ini*ziale di Champions League, vale a dire due obiettivi de*finitivi e due parziali. In Russia, Ka*kà e Seedorf hanno gioca*to da centravanti due pez*zetti delle due gare e per evitare che ciò possa ripe*tersi c’è assoluto bisogno di un altro attaccante. Per questo Julio Baptista re*sterà un obiettivo del Mi*lan fino al 31 agosto. La speranza è che il Real prenda Ballack e soprat*tutto Robben e a quel pun*to il brasiliano rientra sul mercato. L’accordo col Mi*lan sarebbe più facile da raggiungere. In alternativa Quagliarella o Di Natale

Even though the main 3 attackers are now injured and Willy didn't prove he's Milan material, according to Ancelotti there are no problems and no need to panic.
The author of this text is repeating what MM members said thousands of times. Pippo is old and injury prone, Ronaldo is another injury prone player, with Gilardino you never know and Pato is only 17/18.
That's why the author thinks Milan must buy another attacker and Julio Baptista is the one closest to Milan.
If not Baptista then maybe Quagliarela or Di Natale.

Hasan Rossonero
07-08-2007, 10:25
Bonera won plaudits for his performances...weird that the author thinks that.

Kaka--7thUCL
07-08-2007, 11:25
Any articles other then the one I saw on tribal on Ronaldinho?

And I like that round up of players, Motta Baptista Barzagli covers every area except for GK where we lack :)

Maltese Charlie
07-08-2007, 11:28
Milan tra Kallstroem e Motta
Lo svedese è la nuova idea


di Palladini - Pellegatti

Un centrocampista arriverà sicuro. Al di là delle smentite (fiacche) e dei sogni (Ronaldinho), il Milan deve regalare un rinforzo in mezzo ad Ancelotti. E allora ecco che ci si trova a un bivio. Da una parte c'è Thiago Motta che piace molto a Galliani. Il Barcellona chiede 5 milioni, ma come nel caso di Giuly è pronto a scendere di molto, se non addirittura a regalare il brasiliano con passaporto italiano. Motta è un jolly di centrocampo e questo è il suo grande vantaggio. I due problemi in questo momento per arrivare al giocatore sono la scarsa voglia del Barça di darlo via gratis e l'inserimento dell'Inter nella trattativa: visto che Emerson sta per essere abbandonato, Motta potrebbe rappresentare una validissima alternativa. Soprattutto se a basso costo.

Ma negli ultimi tempi in casa rossonera si è acceso l'entusiasmo per il centrocampista svedese Kim Kallstroem del Lione. Con le dovurte proporzioni, potrebbe essere l'alternativa a Seedorf nel centrocampo rossonero. Kallstroem sembrava a un passo dal Valencia in uno scambio con Morientes, che poi però si è arenato. Adesso il Lione sembra intenzionato a vendere il suo giocatore ma vuole almeno 10 milioni di euro. Il Milan a sua volta si è autoconvinto che non può spendere meno di 8-10 milioni per avere un giocatore di alto livello. Sembra invece completamente tramontata la trattativa per il brasiliano Julio Baptista. Il Real Madrid ha ritentato la notte scorsa di riaprire tutto, ma il Milan non è più disposto nemmeno a riproporre l'offerta di qualche tempo fa, vale a dire 2 milioni di prestito più 12 di riscatto.
tgcom

If nobone is available to translate it, I'll do it in withen half an hour.
Sorry cannot do it now.

icculus
07-08-2007, 12:14
babel fish translation:

Milan between Kallstroem and Motta the Swede is the new idea of Palladini - Pellegatti A centrocampista will arrive sure. To here of the refutation (weak) and the dreams (Ronaldinho), the Milan must give reinforces in means to Ancelotti. And then here that it is found to us to a crossroad. From a part there is Thiago Motta that it appeals to to Galliani very. Barcelona asks 5 million, but as in the case of Giuly it is ready to come down a lot, if not quite to give the Brazilian with Italian passport. Motta is a jolly of centrocampo and this is its great advantage. The two problems in this moment in order to arrive to the player are the insufficient one want of the Barça to gratis give it via and the insertion of the Inter in the negotiation: inasmuch as Emerson is in order to be abandoned, Motta could represent one most valid alternative. Above all if to low cost. But recently in rossonera house the enthusiasm for the Swedish centrocampista Kim Kallstroem of the Lione has been ignited. With dovurte the proportions, it could be the alternative to Seedorf in the centrocampo rossonero. Kallstroem seemed to a step from the Valencia in an exchange with Morientes, than then but it has run aground. Now the Lione seems intenzionato to sell its player but it wants at least 10 million euro. The Milan in its turn is autoconvinto that it cannot spend less than 8-10 million for having a player of high level. It seems completely tramontata the negotiation for the Brazilian Julio Baptista instead. The Real Madrid has tried again the past night to reopen all, but the Milan more is not arranged riproporre the offer of some time makes, is worth to say 2 million loan more 12 than I redeem. tgcom

Arildonardo
07-08-2007, 12:49
actually, the rumour appeared first on TuttoSport, which isn't exactly the most trusted source out there but still better than tribal (although it's questionable how much better :D):
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=12&a=50696

Lyon seem to be unwilling to sell Kallstrom, though given that they already sold Tiago and Alou Diarra.
With the French League already under way, I doubt they would be willing to part with Kallastrom (btw, he is 27 yo) this year.
Källström is born on August 24 1982, so he'll be 25 soon.

zlatanov
07-08-2007, 14:37
Källström is born on August 24 1982, so he'll be 25 soon.
some sources give his year of birth to be 1982 but some - 1980, like Lyon's official site:
http://www.olympiquelyonnais.com/

Hasan Rossonero
07-08-2007, 14:55
Looks like Vogel has been frozen out of the Betis squad. Does anyone here think Milan will make a cheeky bid for him? :D

We play Betis in 2 days.

ACMILAN1983
07-08-2007, 15:07
some sources give his year of birth to be 1982 but some - 1980, like Lyon's official site:
http://www.olympiquelyonnais.com/

It's a bit strange that, but I do believe he's 24 (soon to be 25) and am pretty sure the Lyon site has it wrong.

Anyway, Kallstrom would be a very interesting purchase. He could add a lot to the squad and he played for Rennes before Lyon (and with Gourcuff was one of the key players).

About the report from Gazzetta, I doubt there's a great deal of truth in it. I get the impression the mercato isn't over, but I don't think the management would have been too upset over the Moscow cup showing, and the part about Gourcuff just seems to be made up imo.

Giorgos
07-08-2007, 16:16
On Sunday i watched AEK - Livorno 1-3, today i saw PAOK - Livorno 1-1, we played well in the first half (1-0) then we change our defenders just why we equalized. For some players, starting from Tavano in the first game he wasn't good, in the second the GK of PAOK stop him in a face to face chanse but he has some qualifications, he is quick and he is into the chances, Pasquale would be a very good solution for our problem in our LB solution. Amelia has the qualities but he needs to get improoved and as i have said in the past would be ideal to have bought him to play behind Dida and to replace him in one to two years. The players of Livorno and Amelia are usually so irritating? because in two friendlies they were a lot without any particular reason.

acdc81
07-08-2007, 17:19
Here are the 3 articles. I'll give them in Italian and translate them shortly

According to the author Milan has problems in defense. Compared to Inter, who have 4 starters and 4 equally good bench defenders, Ancelotti doesn't have that choice. Maldini is out until October and Milan's defense in Moscow was a disaster, especially Simic, Bonera and Favalli.
Nesta and Kaladze are great center defenders but they are great technically, not physically and they get easily injured.
In this case Ancelotti can come out with the idea of Ambrosini playing a CD but it's big risk and that's why Milan evidently needs new CD.
Such defender is Andrea Barzagli, or if not him, then Zaccardo.

So, nothing about Barzagli to Milan. Only the author of this article thinks Barzagli will be a good choice.


strange point of view. i think central defense is the department where we are best covered.

kaladze - nesta
maldini - bonera
+ simic, digao and in real emergencies favalli and ambrosini.

in no other position we could compensate a long injury better. i also don't think that barzagli would be a great solution for us as he is imho not better than bonera and can only play in one position which is central defense. this means that kaladze, bonera and simic would have to play on the sides which is not that great.

i do however agree with the other article that we need one more midfielder. motta would be fine with me.

on the striker issue i'm a bit unsure. which quality striker will come knowing that from january onwards everybody wants to see what pato can do? i'm against buying just for the sake of it. borriello would have been quite handy till winter or maybe we could have kept pozzi till the winter break and only loan him to empoli for half a season.

if we get one more midfielder than we probably don't really need that striker as we can play one lone striker up front with kaka and seedorf behind. we saw that this works quite fine.

Tony29.
07-08-2007, 17:39
strange point of view.......
These articles come from Corriere.

I read corriere almost every day, but frankly it's mostly for improving my Italian.
I like them for not being biased towards the big trio and i also like them for not being anti-Milan/Inter/Juve .
But i have a feeling that Zlatanov and few others from here would do a much better job if they are given the chance to replace those journalists from Corriere dello sport.
As you can see from the article above, they do seem like they don't know the teams perfectly, like a fan does, and they sometimes have 100% different view than the fans about what Milan/Inter/Juve need.
I've seen many better posts about what Milan needs, here on MM, written by amateurs, than this article written by a professional journalist.

They try a lot and they are neutral but they lack quality.
So, it's up to you guys how serious will you take an article from Corriere :)

thomas_h
07-08-2007, 19:05
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=46&a=50783

top 10 rising stars of the future :
where`s Pato ??????????????????????
I only know Banega, Adu, Renato Augusto & Drenthe . . . please tell me about the others !
where`s Pato ??????????????????????

Ghost
07-08-2007, 20:27
Dont take too much notice in it

Hasan Rossonero
07-08-2007, 20:32
Today's Gazzetta:

Just for the member Kaka--7thUCL the Gazzetta has a huge headline:

Milan, here is the plan for Ronaldinho.
- There has been contact with his agent on Tuesday and if he becomes EU before Aug 31st he may come. If not Milan will try in January.

- They talk about how the 25% taxation rule will soon change to 44% for Dinho, since he will have been in Spain for a while.

zlatanov
07-08-2007, 20:32
Dont take too much notice in it
true as I am pretty sure most of the players on that list will remain promising players will never meet these expectations of them becoming star players.

the reason why I think pato isn't there is that he is already a star ... true, he may have a lot left to prove and develope but he is already a star.
For the same reason players like Aguero, Dos Santos etc are also not on that list.

still, if I had to go with someone from the list, Banega and Renato Augusto for me ;)

Tony29.
07-08-2007, 20:44
Milan, here is the plan for Ronaldinho.
- There has been contact with his agent on Tuesday and if he becomes EU before Aug 31st he may come. If not Milan will try in January.

The second part is making this hard to swallow.

Is it logical at all Milan to buy Ronaldinho in January ? Forget Ronaldo, it was totally different case.
Why would Barcelona sell it's best player in January, just before the CL knock-outs and why would Ronaldinho accept to miss out on CL and join Milan in January ?
Gazzetta is becoming less and less reliable lately.

If Milan fails to bring Dinho this summer then they will only sign him (if it's possible) in the summer of 2008, not in January.

Hasan Rossonero
07-08-2007, 20:50
The second part is making this hard to swallow.

Is it logical at all Milan to buy Ronaldinho in January ? Forget Ronaldo, it was totally different case.
Why would Barcelona sell it's best player in January, just before the CL knock-outs and why would Ronaldinho accept to miss out on CL and join Milan in January ?
Gazzetta is becoming less and less reliable lately.

If Milan fails to bring Dinho this summer then they will only sign him (if it's possible) in the summer of 2008, not in January.

It doesn't say he will come in January, but that Milan will try then.

zlatanov
07-08-2007, 21:00
The second part is making this hard to swallow.

Is it logical at all Milan to buy Ronaldinho in January ? Forget Ronaldo, it was totally different case.
Why would Barcelona sell it's best player in January, just before the CL knock-outs and why would Ronaldinho accept to miss out on CL and join Milan in January ?
Gazzetta is becoming less and less reliable lately.

If Milan fails to bring Dinho this summer then they will only sign him (if it's possible) in the summer of 2008, not in January.
IMO transfers like these are made when the right time, the "special" circumstances arrive and not necessarily in the same time frame as most other transfers are ususally made.
For instance, if kaka wanted to move to Real neither Kaka nor Real would be bothered that the right moment turned out to be in January and not June.

Why January, for one Dinho might want to take some time to see what his role in the new Barca would be with the arrival of Henry and Messi to be given more and more space on the team and probably stealing his status of Barca's #1 player.
And also Barca might wanna take time to see how Henry gels into the new team - as well as probably look more seriosuly into introducing one of Krkic or dos Santos into the senior team in place of Dinho - and they would also wanna probably take some time to prep the "ground" so to speak for the transfer as selling Dinho might create problems among fans and some of the club members etc if the move happens days after statements of the kind - "Dinho and Etoo are not for sale".

I for one doubt this could materialize in the winter period but it all really depends on all sorts of circumstances that are yet to come to the surface (if ever) - will Dinho be Barca's best player 2-3 months into the season or will he be just an expensive out of shape player who skips training sessions seemingly at will.
all in all, one never knows for certain when so much money is involved when one of the two sides could give in to the temptation.

Tony29.
07-08-2007, 21:04
It doesn't say he will come in January, but that Milan will try then.
I know, but how logical is Milan to try to sign him in January ? They won't succeed and there's no reason to try
Some sort of deal between Milan and Barcelona about Dinho going to Milan in 2008 may happen during the year, but why would it be in January? They can make such deal in December, February, March.

What i am obviously trying to say, even though i'm putting it between the lines, (:) ) is that Gazzetta was most probably selling not enough papers in last 10 days when the rumors "Dinho to Milan" stopped and now they must play the good old card again and with "January" they are even securing themselves for the next 3-4 months.

My position about Dinho is well known by now. I believe, actually i'm sure, he'll end up in Milan some day, probably even in 2008/09, but i give 0% chances Dinho to play in Milan in 2007/08.
I think that Gazzetta is selling You false hope and some of you are even buying it.

Kaka--7thUCL
07-08-2007, 21:53
Today's Gazzetta:

Just for the member Kaka--7thUCL the Gazzetta has a huge headline:

Milan, here is the plan for Ronaldinho.
- There has been contact with his agent on Tuesday and if he becomes EU before Aug 31st he may come. If not Milan will try in January.

- They talk about how the 25% taxation rule will soon change to 44% for Dinho, since he will have been in Spain for a while.

Woot, hope as been restored :D Thank you very much for the post :P PLEASSEEE DINHOO hurry up and get your citizenship!

hitmannq8
07-08-2007, 23:54
Ronaldinho is not coming, forget about him. We never needed him nor will we ever. He would just be an accessory to Milan. What Milan needs for next season is a fast striker (like Suazo), a player that can give Kaka a rest, attacking RB (and LB).

I dont think we will see much of Inzaghi and Maldini next season. An injury to an already injury-prone Nesta will destroy Milan. We need to think of that, because thats what happened last year before Nesta recovered. When he wasn't there, Milan were in the bottom half of the table having their worst moment in Ancelotti's Milan career.

R9naldo
08-08-2007, 00:10
Ronaldinho is not coming, forget about him. We never needed him nor will we ever. He would just be an accessory to Milan. What Milan needs for next season is a fast striker (like Suazo), a player that can give Kaka a rest, attacking RB (and LB).

I dont think we will see much of Inzaghi and Maldini next season. An injury to an already injury-prone Nesta will destroy Milan. We need to think of that, because thats what happened last year before Nesta recovered. When he wasn't there, Milan were in the bottom half of the table having their worst moment in Ancelotti's Milan career.

...mmmm of course we need ronaldinho or a player who can play his role. About him being an accesory...come on! lets be serious and stop with the nonsense talk. All he needs to do is get comfortable to play along side kaka. IMO having kaka, ronaldinho and ronaldo would make us the team with the best attack..not only in italy but also in europe. So please BRING THAT UGLY GUY TO AC MILAN!!!

Kaka--7thUCL
08-08-2007, 00:41
Hitman I partly agree with you apart from when you said we need someone to enable kaka a rest, well don't you think ronaldinho can both help and give kaka a rest when needed? I do agree though that better things can be done then solemnly buying R10 and thinking it solves everything.

Tony29.
08-08-2007, 01:16
Woot, hope as been restored :D Thank you very much for the post :P PLEASSEEE DINHOO hurry up and get your citizenship!
Man , you're so full of positive energy and you're so optimistic (totally oposite of me :grinser: ) . I love these kind of people. I hope you're like this in real life.

Only for being so positive ( unlike the "we're doomed i tell ya, we're doooooomed" members ) i'm giving you +rep points :5ok:

Maltese Charlie
08-08-2007, 02:09
I know, but how logical is Milan to try to sign him in January ? They won't succeed and there's no reason to try
Some sort of deal between Milan and Barcelona about Dinho going to Milan in 2008 may happen during the year, but why would it be in January? They can make such deal in December, February, March.

What i am obviously trying to say, even though i'm putting it between the lines, (:) ) is that Gazzetta was most probably selling not enough papers in last 10 days when the rumors "Dinho to Milan" stopped and now they must play the good old card again and with "January" they are even securing themselves for the next 3-4 months.

My position about Dinho is well known by now. I believe, actually i'm sure, he'll end up in Milan some day, probably even in 2008/09, but i give 0% chances Dinho to play in Milan in 2007/08.
I think that Gazzetta is selling You false hope and some of you are even buying it.

I'm finding it very very hard to agree 100% with a JUVENTINO, but ouch....ouch..... I have to say it.....I AGREE....... :grinser:

Seriously, I think Tony is right on this one.
Yesterday I was watching Milan Channel and MAURO SUMA while he was responding to the E-mails and SMS's send by the fans, said for several times and enphasis to everyone to stay calm.
He was responding a question if the mercato for Milan after Pato's deal is closed.
He showed a part of a telephone call of Galliani. Galiani while responding for the first part of the question regards the similarties of the faces between Pato and Sormani, he refused to answer the second part of the question about the mercato.

So the way how Galliani refuses to answer is a hint that the Mercato for Milan is not CLOSED.

Replying for another SMS asking if Ronaldinho is Milan's next target, Mauro Suma said:
No, I don't want you to hurt yourselves, Do not built false hopes. I don't know from where La Gazzetta built the story. Listen to me and you will not hurt yourselves. I am telling you Ronaldinho is not coming next season because he is not for sale. The same thing like our Kaka. Barcellona will not let him go.
Then he smiled again and he repeated to be calm and wait.

In my opinion and what I understood is that Maro Suma knows who is the next target but cannot tell the name for obvious reasons. But he EXCLUDED completely Ronaldinho.


We will know who is he very soon, and for now keep calm :devf:

Maltese Charlie
08-08-2007, 02:16
Tony what's wrong with Del Piero??????

I heard he refuses your offer to extend his contract because Juventus wanted to double his salary and he's afraid that so much euros will cause him a headache. :grinser: :devf: :zany:

Maltese Charlie
08-08-2007, 03:05
Il sogno a occhi aperti del presidente rossonero riapre le porte alla società di via Turati. Il fantasista verdeoro, dopo l'arrivo di Titì Henry in blaugrana e la consacrazione di Leo Messi a idolo del Camp Nou, lancia messaggi a Galliani tramite il fratello procuratore. Ma l'ad milanista ha fatto capire che deve essere il giocatore a fare i passi decisivi per ottenere il trasferimento.


di Enzo Palladini

E adesso è Ronaldinho a mandare messaggi. Con l'arrivo di Henry (grande alleato di Eto'o) e la constatazione che Messi viene considerato intoccabile, il brasiliano torna ad avere dei pruriti che sembravano scomparsi. Ecco dunque che il suo agente e fratello Roberto de Assis torna a parlare con Galliani, è pronto a intavolare una trattativa. Ma è ovvio che il Milan non può nè pagare la clausola rescissoria di 125 milioni nè fare una trattativa a oltranza con il club blaugrana. In via Turati si aspettano che sia proprio Ronaldinho ad andare dai dirigenti del Barcellona a chiedere di essere ceduto, per poi essere agevolati nella trattativa. Ma questo è un passo molto difficile da fare. Galliani resta alla finestra, prossimamente potrebbero esserci ulteriori sviluppi.

tgcom


Tgcom are saying that now Ronaldinho is sending messages to Milan.
With Henry's arrival who is Eto'o's great friend and Messi considered as an untouchable, is sending messages through his brother to Galliani.

Galliani believes that Ronaldinho himself must start negotiations with Barca. But this is very difficult.
Galliani will continue to stay in touch if further developments should occur.

Kaka1899
08-08-2007, 03:29
seriousley there must be some truth about the Ronaldinho rumours even if its 10% truth and the rest is fictional. all these sources cant make up rumours all at the same time with out truth, ye some are more far fetched than others but thats them makin use of there poetic license.

acdc81
08-08-2007, 03:31
ahh this ronaldinho stories are so unneccesary. i hoped after the pato deal they would vanish but seems i was completly wrong.

i'd like one of those clown journalists to show me where ronaldinho would fit in. the way i see it there is simply no space for him.


Ronaldo, Kaka, Pirlo and Gattuso are sure starters which leaves 2 spots where he could play. the second striker position or seedorf's spot. don't come with the age argument when talking about ronaldo. if he stays fit he can easily play for another 2 years on the highest level. i'm sure wc 2010 is a target of his.

i can't imagine that we bought one of the most coveted youngsters for 22 million euros just to put ronaldinho in front of his nose and for seedorf's spot he is way, way, way too offensive. i know many people don't rate seedorf but he does a lot of backtracking and he is very strong on the ball and can't be pushed aside easily. none of this can be said about dinho. he isa great player but if he would play in this midfield we would struggle against any team the has a bit of midfield steel and cl would be impossible to win. all the recent cl winners had a very tight midfield and worked very hard to minimize spaces for the opponent. even barca played completely different to what their usual style is.

Tony75
08-08-2007, 03:47
Ronaldo is not a first choice player IMO. Only Kaka, Pirlo & Rino could stake that claim, and R10 could easily fit in to any of forward roles, depending on who else is there.

Ghost
08-08-2007, 04:45
Ronaldo is not a first choice player IMO. Only Kaka, Pirlo & Rino could stake that claim, and R10 could easily fit in to any of forward roles, depending on who else is there.

I cant see Ancelotti not playing a fully fit R99, never.

As Acdc mentioned above the only guaranteed starters are Ronaldo, Kaka, Gattuso & Pirlo, all we can do is wait and see what happens.

prifess
08-08-2007, 04:46
i truely hope gila will prove himself. and that carlo will have confidence in him

thomas_h
08-08-2007, 05:20
Milan Giants Join Da Costa Hunt
(http://goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=375987)
The Manuel Da Costa appreciation club is getting bigger by the day as Milan and Inter have become the latest clubs to approach PSV Eindhoven about the availability of his services.

Despite the fact that his contract runs until 2011, the Dutch champions will be sweating on whether they can hold on to the 8m-euro-rated 21-year-old defender, who can also count Juventus, Fiorentina and Atletico Madrid amongst his suitors.

Any club that are seriously interested will have to significantly up the 3,5m euro bid that the ‘Old Lady’ reportedly made just days ago for the stylish centre-back, who caught the eye with some assured performances in the heart of Portugal’s defense during the U-21 European Championships in the Netherlands earlier this summer.

Milan are said to have weighed in with an 5m euro offer, while Inter allegedly matched their ever-fiercer city rivals on the money front but sugar-coated their bid further by offering that Da Costa could stay in Eindhoven for one more season.

( please translate this )
Baptista-Milan: il brasiliano sul mercato 'nonostante' Schuster

11:37 del 08 agosto

Dopo il mancato arrivo di Ballack ed il colloquio con il giocatore, Schuster ha cambiato idea ed ora vorrebbe tenere Julio Baptista. Il tecnico tedesco ha dato una precisa indicazione a Mijatovic, ma il Real Madrid continua a cercare una sistemazione al brasiliano. Mentre sembrano essere in calo le quotazioni del Milan, si sta facendo largo l'ipotesi Villareal.

Maltese Charlie
08-08-2007, 05:39
It says that even though Schuster had changed his mind regards Baptista after the talks with Ballack failed, and Schuster gave precise indications to Mijatovic to keep Baptista, Real are still looking to offload the Brazilian.
While Milan's quotations are going down, those of Villareal going higher.

sveto
08-08-2007, 06:00
Well Tony,
Imagine Barca fail to qualify for 1/8, remember they almost were knocked out last december!!!!Then the concept of R10 join Milan it will be highly likely in exactly January!!!
I know, but how logical is Milan to try to sign him in January ? They won't succeed and there's no reason to try
Some sort of deal between Milan and Barcelona about Dinho going to Milan in 2008 may happen during the year, but why would it be in January? They can make such deal in December, February, March.

What i am obviously trying to say, even though i'm putting it between the lines, (:) ) is that Gazzetta was most probably selling not enough papers in last 10 days when the rumors "Dinho to Milan" stopped and now they must play the good old card again and with "January" they are even securing themselves for the next 3-4 months.

My position about Dinho is well known by now. I believe, actually i'm sure, he'll end up in Milan some day, probably even in 2008/09, but i give 0% chances Dinho to play in Milan in 2007/08.
I think that Gazzetta is selling You false hope and some of you are even buying it.

Russo-Neri
08-08-2007, 07:21
i'd like one of those clown journalists to show me where ronaldinho would fit in. the way i see it there is simply no space for him.

Ronaldo, Kaka, Pirlo and Gattuso are sure starters which leaves 2 spots where he could play. the second striker position or seedorf's spot.


You answered your own question! R10 could play EITHER one of those "free" positions. Talk about versatility - depending on matchups, you could play R10 at Seedorf's spot and bring in an Inzaghi or Gila as a 2nd striker. If you need to play more conservative, you could play R10 as a second striker and keep Seedorf (or put in Ambro) at the MF.

I certainly won't get my hopes about him coming and I could certainly understand, though not agree, with criticism of R10 as not being a team player or not fitting well with Kaka. BUT to say there is no room for him is just plain wrong!

Tony75
08-08-2007, 08:04
I can't believe that people are questioning R10. Let's keep the brocchi's & favalli's of this world then, and forget about players who could take us to another level, instead of allowing other's to keep pace with us.

acdc81
08-08-2007, 08:19
I can't believe that people are questioning R10. Let's keep the brocchi's & favalli's of this world then, and forget about players who could take us to another level, instead of allowing other's to keep pace with us.


just because i don't think we don't need r10 this does not mean i want more mediocre players. i just don't think that with the players we have r10 would be an overall improvement for us. he would bring imbalance to a working team and i think he could harm the team spirit, the one that brought us no. 7.

if we wanna improve the team that is fine with me but lets start somewhere we really need improvement. if we wanna shop in barcelona that is fine with me either but let them keep ronaldinho. we should buy zambrotta and motta from them. that would really help improve the team.

the way i see it our first 11 is fine apart from janku who in my eyes is to shaky in defense. other from that we only need quality in width.

just like you said, replace players like favalli, serginho, cafu, brocchi, kalac with stronger players. that is what this milan needs, not r10.

Tony75
08-08-2007, 08:30
R10 wouldn't harm the balance. Ambro & Rino give the defensive balance, R10,& Kaka the flair, and R9 the finishing power. At the moment Seedorf is a hard worker, but doesn't score enough. R10 would add about 35 goals a season overall if you include assists in all comps, never mind the merchandise we could sell with him, kaka, & ronaldo in same team. Dream big guys, you support Milan.

Graeme C
08-08-2007, 08:37
i cant see what ronaldinho would really do to improve our game for the money he will cost. We could get barzagli, zambrotta/chiellini, motta and a striker for the price of ronaldinho.

Tony29.
08-08-2007, 08:48
Well Tony,
Imagine Barca fail to qualify for 1/8, remember they almost were knocked out last december!!!!Then the concept of R10 join Milan it will be highly likely in exactly January!!!
Of course
but i have a feeling that UEFA will be ready even to change the rules so a team with Henry-Dinho-Messi-Eto'o will play in the knock-outs (i don't mean this literally but it is in UEFA best interest Barcelona to go as further as possible in CL. And frankly, it's hard to imagine this team to have hard time again in the group stage)

just because i don't think we don't need r10 this does not mean i want more mediocre players. i just don't think that with the players we have r10 would be an overall improvement for us. he would bring imbalance to a working team and i think he could harm the team spirit, the one that brought us no. 7.

if we wanna improve the team that is fine with me but lets start somewhere we really need improvement. if we wanna shop in barcelona that is fine with me either but let them keep ronaldinho. we should buy zambrotta and motta from them. that would really help improve the team.

the way i see it our first 11 is fine apart from janku who in my eyes is to shaky in defense. other from that we only need quality in width.

just like you said, replace players like favalli, serginho, cafu, brocchi, kalac with stronger players. that is what this milan needs, not r10.

I agree with you but i agree with Tony even more :)
Man, it's Ronaldinho after all. You don't say NO to a player of his caliber.
And if Dinho wants to join Milan than he's probably aware that he won't enjoy the "greatest star of the team" status and he's ready to accept his new role.

And then again, we can't compare Milan with Brazil.
In the quarters, where they were really awful, Brazil had Ronaldo and 3 attacking midfielders in the team, with another offensive player in Ze Roberto.
In Milan the trident Ronaldo-Kaka-Ronaldinho will be well protected at the back , with 2 defensive midfielders, one of them being Gattuso.
I believe this will work very well.

Of course, you do have a very good point that 4 or 5 players with very good quality will also do miracles for Milan and it that case Dinho will not be desperately needed. I was supporting this idea from the beggining because i thought that with 100m you could have built an unbeatable team.
But many things changed since then. I thought you could buy Zambrotta, Buffon, Ribery and Alex with the money. Now all of them are out of the market and if i have to chose between Ronaldinho vs What's offered at the market this summer, i'll chose Dinho.

Russo-Neri
08-08-2007, 09:07
i cant see what ronaldinho would really do to improve our game for the money he will cost. We could get barzagli, zambrotta/chiellini, motta and a striker for the price of ronaldinho.

Fine - I can accept this criticism of signing R10 as well. Some people think the team would be better served spending that much money on a couple of players instead - certainly that's a valid point. But I just CAN'T accept an argument saying there isn't any room in Milan for R10...

R9naldo
08-08-2007, 09:56
08/08/2007 16:06


Ronaldinho's Brother In Another Milan Meeting

Just one day after reports linking Milan and Ronaldinho surfaced, the player's agent and brother, Roberto Assis, has met with AC Milan...



zoom - galleria According to the Gazzetta dello Sport, Roberto Assis has met with AC Milan with a view to Ronaldinho's future.

The player is under contract until 2010 and while Assis' main task is to improve the terms of that deal, Barca president Joan Laporta is unapparently unwilling to play ball.

So, the player's representative met on Monday with Milan representative Galliani in Italy. The two have previously talked over other shared clients, but this particular discussion seemed to focus around Ronaldinho.

It now seems more likely than ever that Ronaldinho's chosen destination, should he leave the Nou Camp, is the San Siro.

The player's agent is seemingly convinced, too, that a failure on Barcelona's part to improve his brother's deal could speed up a possible transfer move, although this is perhaps optimism on his part.

Milan confirmed this summer that they could not compete with Barcelona for Henry as they could not afford his 130K per week wages. It remains unclear if they will be able to do that in Ronaldinho's case.

Another issue is that Ronaldinho is still not in possession of an EU passport, making any move increasingly difficult, particularly in light of Milan's recent signing of Brazilian wunderkind Pato.

Ghost
08-08-2007, 10:17
What strikes me are the words of Ancelotti:

“We have finished in the market. We aren’t after Emerson and Ronaldinho is a target for another day.”

Dont think they will ever give up, also whilst reading the Goal article it states Milan couldnt compete with Barcelona due to Henrys huge wage demands, however how will Milan work around it with R10? Anyone know?

Tony29.
08-08-2007, 10:24
What strikes me are the words of Ancelotti:

“We have finished in the market. We aren’t after Emerson and Ronaldinho is a target for another day.”

Dont think they will ever give up, also whilst reading the Goal article it states Milan couldnt compete with Barcelona due to Henrys huge wage demands, however how will Milan work around it with R10? Anyone know?
Hasan explained it somewhere in previous pages

I think that 50% of players wages go on taxes (in Italy) while in Spain it's a lot lower (20 or 30%).
There is some rule stating that if a player spends certain period of time in Spain than the taxes are higher and for Ronaldinho , taxes will be 44% instead of 20%.
So, if Ronaldinho's wages are 100 000 per week, he'll be getting 80 000 in Spain and 50 000 in Italy. But if taxes will rise to 44% then he'll "only" be getting 56 000 in Spain and now the difference is minimal.

Something like that. Hasan will tell you better but if 44% of Dinhos wages will go on taxes then the difference will not be as big and Milan can compete with Barcelona

Hasan Rossonero
08-08-2007, 10:24
What strikes me are the words of Ancelotti:

“We have finished in the market. We aren’t after Emerson and Ronaldinho is a target for another day.”

Dont think they will ever give up, also whilst reading the Goal article it states Milan couldnt compete with Barcelona due to Henrys huge wage demands, however how will Milan work around it with R10? Anyone know?



Henry earns 6 million at Barcelona. Confirmed. Milan could well have competed with that, if they really wanted to.

The way they're going to get around it is by handing over Dinho's image rights--and, of course, this is Berlu's money.

Ghost
08-08-2007, 10:42
Thanks Hasan & Tony, yup I read somewhere today that as R10 is no longer a foreign player in the Liga (well not until end of August) the taxes will get higher and now he shall demand for more money from Barca. Who havent got the spending power matched with Milan.

Hasan Rossonero
08-08-2007, 10:43
Thanks Hasan & Tony, yup I read somewhere today that as R10 is no longer a foreign player in the Liga (well not until end of August) the taxes will get higher and now he shall demand for more money from Barca. Who havent got the spending power matched with Milan.

Ronaldinho will pay 44% taxes now.

Barca definitely have the spending power, but they don't have a rich benefactor like Berlusconi.

Kaka--7thUCL
08-08-2007, 10:55
As much as I love dinho, we've been going after him far to long, if Berlusconi was after lets say someone like Quaresma for all this time he'd already have been playing our pre-season matches, hopefully we sign r10 and quick :)

mihan
08-08-2007, 10:55
This might have been explained for more than once, but can anybody tell me why Barca has let go Maradona, Romario and Ronaldo? The most mysterous was Romario, who scored a lot, but sold only for around 6 million. IMO, they should have sold Rivaldo earlier, before he's got slow.

Kaka--7thUCL
08-08-2007, 10:58
No clue, but hopefully the same thing happens that happened to rivaldo, with dinho :D in transfer sense hopefully he actually plays good though ,if he comes

Maltese Charlie
08-08-2007, 10:59
Ancelotti: 'Non ha più senso parlare di Ronaldinho'

16:59 del 08 agosto

Carlo Ancelotti, alla vigilia della trasferta di Siviglia, spegne le residue speranze dei tifosi rossoneri: `Il mercato? Per quel che mi riguarda è chiuso e rappresento in questo momento anche il pensiero della società. Parlare ad aprile di Ronaldinho poteva anche avere un senso, ma oggi, quasi a metà agosto, mi sembra proprio di no". Il tecnico rossonero commenta anche la situazione della Juve: "E` cambiata molto, viene da un anno difficile. Certo, ha grandissime motivazioni. Il suo vantaggio è che potrà preparare bene tutte le partite di campionato al massimo della condizione. Magari il problema puoò essere di affiatamento almeno all`inizio perchè ha tanti giocatori nuovi, molti dei quali arrivano dall`estero'.

Ancellotti said that talking about Ronaldinho's transfer in April may make sense but now in mid August doesn't make sense at all.

Kaka--7thUCL
08-08-2007, 11:02
In april..?? now that makes no sense at all.

R9naldo
08-08-2007, 11:15
:5ok: I just saw beckham drinking coffee in georgetown..he was with a bunch of MLS players that i dont even know ... :5ok:
:p017: :p017:

Tony29.
08-08-2007, 12:03
This might have been explained for more than once, but can anybody tell me why Barca has let go Maradona, Romario and Ronaldo? The most mysterous was Romario, who scored a lot, but sold only for around 6 million. IMO, they should have sold Rivaldo earlier, before he's got slow.
They were forced to let Ronaldo go because Inter payed the release clause and Ronaldo wanted to go to Italy. They were helpless.

Rivaldo joined Milan on free transfer. Barcelona and Rivaldo decided to terminate his contract one year before it ended. Barcelona didn't get a penny from this transfer. Van Gaal bought Riquelme and Mendieta and he didn't want Rivaldo anymore.

Luis Figo is another star that left Barcelona. But like in Ronaldo's case, it wasn't Barcelona that wanted to sell him but it was Real Madrid that payed the release clause and offered huge money to Figo. Figo had the choice to stay in Barcelona or go to Real and he accepted the 2nd option.
Again, it wasn't Barcelona that wanted to let him go

Romario was sold on his own demand. He was tempted by a currency revaluation which meant he could earn as well in Brazil as in Spain without enduring the same discipline. Romario was always a problematic character and Barcelona simply let him go without too much fuss.

Now, in Barcelona the transfer policy depends on who is the current president. Some presidents were buying expensive , others were buying cheap so they could sell expensive.
Maradona was bought and sold during Nunez presidency. Nunez was spending like crazy but he was also always ready to make a deal if a good price is offered.
Napoli made a world record offer and Nunez decided to sell the Argentinian.


Thier current president is Laporta. After the disappointments of the Gaspar era, Laporta brought Barcelona back on top and his transfer policy is kinda different than the one of the previous presidents.
With Laporta Barcelona is a buyer not a seller.
He payed good money to bring Ronaldinho (~30m euro), Deco (15m+Quaresma = 25m), Zambrotta (14m euro), Henry(24m euro), Eto'o (24m euro) and he didn't sell a star for big bucks.

Jonathan Chan
08-08-2007, 12:24
On the super-star Barcelona has been selling in past 2 decades, add MICHAEL LAUDRUP (because he fell out with Johan Cruijff after being left out in their humiliating 0-4 Athens Final, then joined Real Madrid in the most controversial transfer back then), STOCHIKOV(Parma) and current RM boss SCHUSTER(joined RM also).




Barcelona practically sold virtually all their great stars in their prime except Guardiola and Enrique maybe, but since they are Spaniard/Catalunian, they are exceptions.



Out of my gut feeling, it's just a matter of time for Barcelona to sell Ronaldinho considering they already have ready replacements (Henry/Eto'o/Messi, and Dos Santos/Bojan waiting on the wings).



It'd be either this summer, or next summer. Buy your R10 shirt in Rossoneri color already. ;)

peters
08-08-2007, 13:00
It'd be either next summer, or next summer if u ask me. Carlo said it right, it was normal talking about him in april, but now is far too late - but they still do it. Would be nice if they get that in their heads for once and try to get some real deal instead. Fantasy signing thread was hot after our CL win, not anymore now!

hitmannq8
08-08-2007, 13:20
Can't see how most of you are satisfied with Gila,Pippo,Ronaldo for the first half of the season..1 of which is a huge choker, the other 2 are very injury-prone and could get injured for a long period in any sudden..Pato is also very young and is in between a team of leaders, it may be hard for him to lead Milan from January..I still think we need a striker. I'd be happy with gettin Adriano or Ibra (we still never knew the identity of that player that Ancelotti talked about).

Does anyone here really firmly believe that we will sign any other player this summer? Unfortunately, I believe Galliani and Ancelotti when they say the market is closed even though I've heard that half a dozen times before. Snubbing/Ignoring Emerson, Barusso, Chivu, Ribery and Toni just sum it up for me also made me reach that conclusion.

peters
08-08-2007, 13:56
Between buying ibra or not buying at all i would choose the second.

I do believe they will sign some player(s) till deadline, motta-like. Not to improve, just to backup in a hurry. They seem to realize we need players in that Moscow tournament (funny, i think the team didnt do as bad as i was reading about) so there will surely be some buying. Even presents in shape of Dinho or someone else can't be excluded but i dont believe in that nor am i willing to discuss about it.

Giorgos
08-08-2007, 14:45
FT Levadia Tallinn 2 - 1 Red Star Belgrade

FT BATE Borisov 1 - 1 Hafnarfjordur

FT Elfsborg 0 - 0 Debrecen

FT FC Sheriff 0 - 3 Besiktas

FT Shakhtar Donetsk 2 - 1 Pyunik

FT FK Sarajevo 0 - 1 Racing Genk

FT Steaua Bucuresti 2 - 1 Zaglebie Lubin

53' SV Salzburg 2 - 0 Ventspils

HT Rosenborg 4 - 1 FC Astana

HT Slavia Prague 0 - 0 Zilina

Stitch
08-08-2007, 15:22
let me just make my friend Tony eat his words about Genk going past FK SARAJEVO :grinser:

Russo-Neri
08-08-2007, 15:31
Does anyone here really firmly believe that we will sign any other player this summer?

Yes I believe they will. I seriously doubt it would be R10, but a lesser striker will come.

NAMMY
08-08-2007, 15:35
On acmilan.com Carlo has said that the transfer market is 'closed'. It's almost a joke to me that we'd only sign one player, no matter how talented. I share some of hitman's sentiments too, but I think we would have bought some players earlier if we were planning on spending seriously this summer.
I'm disappointed with only having 3 strikers, though if we play Xmas tree/4-5-1 then it makes sense - but will probably prove costly. I also think that we only did bad in the tournament because we lacked first team strikers.

Warro Bantan
08-08-2007, 15:53
NAMMY: I also would add to the reasons for our "poor performance" in the Lokomotiv tournament, was our lack of fitness...we have only been doing physical work of any great intensity for what, one week before the tourney?

As for the rumors resurfacing about R10...I say, its silly season, and with a few weeks yet to go, the papers had to come up with more juicy stories...

Now, I do continue to hope that we get one or two more players, especially a LB or CD...but if R10 comes, and no one else does for the other two positions, I will also be fine...

I think that with Kaka, R10 and R99, its the other teams that have to worry about defending, not us...with that trident, we will simply outscore the opposition every time! :D :5ok:

peters
08-08-2007, 16:09
thats how barca was thinking last year and they want to do it again this year. It just doesnt work :)

NAMMY
08-08-2007, 16:20
NAMMY: I also would add to the reasons for our "poor performance" in the Lokomotiv tournament, was our lack of fitness...we have only been doing physical work of any great intensity for what, one week before the tourney?


Ah, of course (though can we say the same about the other teams?).
And there's the reason for pre-season, getting back your touch and fitness. You can't take too much from these games anyway, it'll be different when the season starts.

Warro Bantan
08-08-2007, 16:21
thats how barca was thinking last year and they want to do it again this year. It just doesnt work :) That system didnt have the class that ours can boast...recall that Etoo being injured caused them a real "goal-scoring" crisis...

Warro Bantan
08-08-2007, 16:35
Dont think so NAMMY...they all started training(non-Italian teams that is) waaaaay before we did...in fact, isnt the Russian season already underway? :dontkn:

NAMMY
08-08-2007, 17:01
Yeah, I wasn't sure - but I presumed Milan and Real started training at around the same time becuase both leagues start on the 26th. PSV's Eredivisie starts next week, so they're well ahead, while the Russian season is over halfway.

Warro Bantan
08-08-2007, 17:12
Oh, and lest I forget: Dos Santos is really setting Barca on fire...(well, he is scoring goals on their China tour)...another reason why R10 may opt for Milan?

Now this Mexican kid looks the finished article, and he is still in his teens!! (I think)...though its not really realistic to judge him vs opponents from China, nevertheless, he is scoring...

So no wonder R10 is thinking that his time at Barca is up!

Kaka--7thUCL
08-08-2007, 20:35
You can't possibly believe milan have ended their market here, no matter how serious they are about it, or if they are trying to make it a surprise, i still think milan will sign another striker/lb/dm and a great one.

Kaka--7thUCL
08-08-2007, 20:37
I don't think its strikers that we lack though, I think its a LB..

Gabriel489
08-08-2007, 22:13
we have Favalli, Janku, Serginho and Kaladaze at LB!
If there is a position Milan lacks, I think it is the strikers department as 3 strikers just not good enough on a long season and another midfielder would not hurt

thomas_h
08-08-2007, 22:22
MIlan must get at least 1 new player . . . emerson / baptista -> wait til Drenthe and Robben come to Madrid or we can get Thiago Motta

Kaka--7thUCL
08-08-2007, 22:32
Gabriel, don't know where you've been but all 4 of them don't fit many of our descriptions as "good" we need someone like Zambrotta.. and thomas, both Emerson and Baptista will do us no good, if nothing else I'd be content with Baptista, but Emerson doesn't make our squad more youthful nor any better, let him stay at Madrid or go back to juve, i don't want him here, Motta, yes, hes good, he works hard for the ball, a gattuso in the making.

Kaka--7thUCL
08-08-2007, 22:36
My best solution to our pre-season problems would be getting Ronaldinho and trying to get one of those 4 lb's of ours back in shape, I think Janku is good.. If we get him in shape he can be great, but Serginho, after long time injuries and just him in general (age etc.) I don't see him going back to being the old serginho of 4-5 years ago, and I think ronaldinho is smartest (and not Baptista) because getting Baptista would be getting another forward, which we dont need, if we get Ronaldinho we can play with 1 forward and Kaka and ronaldinho being support strikers so we can give both ronaldo and pato a good amount of playing time :)

Maldini+Nesta
08-08-2007, 22:37
I heard from someone who lives in Milan
on another board that the Rossoneri got
Ronaldinho and Emerson. I know these are only
rumors, but he says it is from a credible inside
source.

Who knows? anything is possible.

:5ok:

Kaka--7thUCL
08-08-2007, 22:39
Does that guy from milan mean they already in Milano right now or the deal is done? I'm sure all sources no matter how credible would be flooded with that if they were ACTUALLY signed, unless you mean they reached a deal and pen to paper is all that has to be done, but even with him meaning/saying that theres probably one a 30% chance (max) its true..

jpick
08-08-2007, 23:57
I heard from someone who lives in Milan
on another board that the Rossoneri got
Ronaldinho and Emerson. I know these are only
rumors, but he says it is from a credible inside
source.

Who knows? anything is possible.

:5ok:

hey catfish :bri:, or maldini+nesta as you are known here, did this guy tell you he had a source. i know the person you speak about knows nesta and then the boriello family, but i didn't think he knew the management, and as someone else said, if that was actually true, some papers would be going nuts over it, right?

and thanks for telling me about this board, it has some really knowledgeable posters, cheers man

martin
09-08-2007, 00:16
I heard from someone who lives in Milan
on another board that the Rossoneri got
Ronaldinho and Emerson. I know these are only
rumors, but he says it is from a credible inside
source.

Who knows? anything is possible.

:5ok:
is this your drinking buddy that we are talking about? not to be rude, but these rumours start every year. i remember three summers ago totti was a done deal according to some source in the "inside". these rumours are useless because they give us false hope and are rarely ever true. next time try and use a source, and no, tribalfootball doesn't count.

atreides602
09-08-2007, 01:16
Last year i was 1 of those hwo complains bout lack of big signings( mea culpa) :hammer: but no more , i'm confident now in our boys, with Gourcouff confirming and 1 of our forwards confirming aswell(my money's on r99) we can break any team this year, and i have a feeling that next summer dinho will be the one caisin us and beg us to sign him :w221: .
P.S.: again , i hope milan will be in same group with steaua buc. in CL, so my idols will come in Bucharest. :1five:

Maltese Charlie
09-08-2007, 03:37
Agente Ronaldinho: 'Offerta da 60 mln del Milan'

09:50 del 09 agosto

Non si placano le voci di mercato sul sogno del Milan di portare Ronaldinho in rossonero. Il fratello-agente del fuoriclasse brasiliano, Roberto de Assis ha dichiarato al portale sudamericano Globoesporte: "Questa settimana non sono stato in Italia e non ho incontrato Galliani. Il Milan è arrivato ad offrire 60 milioni di euro, ma il Barcellona ha detto no. Ronaldinho è molto felice nel Barça, se un giorno dovesse andar via, lo farebbe in totale accordo con il suo club. Non ci sono problemi per il prolungamento del contratto, da entrambe le parti c'è la volontà di rinnovarlo fino al termine della sua carriera. Il vicepresidente Ferran Soriano ha detto a Ronaldinho che andrà via solo se e quando lo vorrà lui perchè appartiene alla storia del Barcellona"

Ronaldinho's agent: Milan offered 60 millions.

Brother - agent of Ronaldinho declared to the southamerican portal Globoesporte: "This week I was not in Italy and I did not meet Galliani. Milan had offered 60 million but Barcellona said NO. Ronaldinho is very happy with Barcellona, and if 1 day have to leave it will be with a total agreement with his club. There are no problems to extend the contract.
Vice President Ferran Soriano told Ronaldinho that he will leave Barcellona only when and if he decides so because he belongs to the History of Barcellona."

marcovb
09-08-2007, 05:25
Probably he wanted to say Ronaldinho is history for barcelona

I heard Milan is interested in Rosicky
If this is true i think it's a good idea
It's better than Puma or Baptista

sveto
09-08-2007, 06:54
The game vs Fiorentina will be played on Monday September 3rd -18h

k7r
09-08-2007, 10:09
C'mon Galliani....Get us Roscicky.........

Dave
09-08-2007, 10:55
Yes I think that buying Rosicky would be better, than Baptista! I`ve seen this guy in action in Yerevan(When we were palying against Czech Rep for qualifying for WC2006) and he was super! I really hope we can sign him!

Warro Bantan
09-08-2007, 10:55
Wow, absoloutely slow transfer day or what? Nada nuevo?