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hitmannq8
09-08-2007, 12:02
Nada nuevo me mon.. wuh yah do? how d summer breeze down there?
Kaka--7thUCL
09-08-2007, 12:06
Wow.. Now tribal is bsing about interviews too whats next.. Anyways, we seem to be linked with both Emerson and R10 now if I find a better source I'll keep ya updated
Boring day, he ?
Not many news about Milan, except for Dinho's agent saying that Barcelona previously rejected a 60m euro offer from Milan and for the info coming from Corriere (see #8)
In other news :
1. Valencia bought Serbian striker Nikola Zigic for close to 20m euro.
2. According to voices from Spain, Real and Chelsea made a deal Chelsea to sell Robben. In the next days the transfers of Robben and Drenthe to Real will be official.
The deal with Drenthe is reportedly done and the Dutchman will be transfered to Real for 14m euro.
3. The best Bundesliga player for the last season, Stuttgart attacker Gomez said that in the future he'd like to continue his career in Spain.
4. Arsene Wenger stopped all the rumors about Gilberto Silva going to Juventus after giving him the captain armband. After Henry left for Barcelona, the Brazilian DM will be Arsenal's new captain.
5. After the optimism from the previous days, Boca's president said " I don't believe Riquelme will play with us this season. At the moment it looks impossible to get him"
Villareal was asking for 8m euro and it's too much for Boca who wanted only to loan Riquelme.
8m euro isn't expensive at all, imo, so i'd expect some european giant to buy the Argentinian creative midfielder.
6. Arsenal offered 7m to Chelsea for Lassana Diarra
7. According to L'Equipe , Sylvian Wiltord is one step away from signing with Rennes
8. According to Corriere dello sport, Inter and Juve are leading the race for Banega while Milan is following Thiago Silva, the young defender who should join Milan in 2008.
As for this year, according to Gazzetta, Galliani prefers Thiago Motta in front of Emerson and Julio Baptista.
Corriere came with another option for Milan - Rosicky.
The Czech didn't renew his contract with Arsenal and could be a sub for Kaka.
hitmannq8
09-08-2007, 12:16
Didn't Arsenal set Gallas to be the captain?
Didn't Arsenal set Gallas to be the captain?
I have no idea :dontkn:
Today i read on Calciomercato and few other sites that Wenger is giving the armband to G.Silva
Hey guys, who is Drenthe? Is he a talented player? another Brazilian?
Don't think Gallas could be Capitan since he has been only 1 year with Arsenal and G Silva has been there earlier but yes I saw Gallas as a cap. in one of the friendlies against Valencia or Inter not sure
Hey guys, who is Drenthe? Is he a talented player? another Brazilian?
He's Dutch. Apparently Brasil is not the only country with talented youngster :grinser:
Hey guys, who is Drenthe? Is he a talented player? another Brazilian?
No he is from Holland actually playing for Feynord , very talented player had impresive performances in WC U-21 this year
Warro Bantan
09-08-2007, 12:24
Just read theGuardian´s version of our purported Rosicky interest....but why would we go for this type of midfielder?
Ok, so we have:
Max, Rino, and Brocci as DMs
Pirlo, Gourcuff, Seedorf and Kaka as AMs (or a rough analogue)
Am I missing anybody? Oh yeah, Ba :D...but the question remains:Where does the Czech fit in? :dontkn:
My assumption would be that since he is an attacking midfielder, that he would be a sub for Kaka, but he doesnt have the range of passing that Pirlo has...so is he a Kaka sub then?
Kaka--7thUCL
09-08-2007, 12:26
Imo we should be concentrating on gourcuff, he can be a great player if we give him time and proper positioning, he's been all over the place, and thanks for the updates tony, I like rosicky but after losing henry will arsenal sell him? Doubt it..
Just read theGuardian´s version of our purported Rosicky interest....but why would we go for this type of midfielder?
Ok, so we have:
Max, Rino, and Brocci as DMs
Pirlo, Gourcuff, Seedorf and Kaka as AMs (or a rough analogue)
Am I missing anybody? Oh yeah, Ba :D...but the question remains:Where does the Czech fit in? :dontkn:
My assumption would be that since he is an attacking midfielder, that he would be a sub for Kaka, but he doesnt have the range of passing that Pirlo has...so is he a Kaka sub then?
I just read the article from Corriere. Nothing concrete again. They are only trowing names. Rosicky has a contract until 2009 and still didn't renew it and Corriere journalist thinks that it may mean he's close to an exit.
The journalist thinks that a player like Rosicky would do good for Milan because he can replace Kaka when the Brazilian will be tired or injured.
As for Banega ..... i also read that article. Juventus and Inter are following him for a long time but Corriere gives much more chances to Real and Barcelona to get the new Redondo.
On this i agree with them !
Well for one thing I'm sure he will not come here to be a benchwarmer
Warro Bantan
09-08-2007, 12:36
Nada nuevo me mon.. wuh yah do? how d summer breeze down there?Mi deh yah a fulljoy di summa breeze mi doops! :5ok:
Thanks Tony... :respect: and it seems my assumption that Rosicky would be a sub for Kaka is correct...but doesnt he start for Arsenal? If so, I doubt he would want to leave for the Milan bench...but who knows...he may just decide that to join us is the only way to win a UCL medal! :D
Warro Bantan
09-08-2007, 12:56
hey Tony, proof of the Gallas captaincy:
http://football.guardian.co.uk/breakingnews/feedstory/0,,-6838113,00.html
I have no idea :dontkn:
Today i read on Calciomercato and few other sites that Wenger is giving the armband to G.Silva
All the sources this morning stated that Silva had been given the arm band, however the real choice is Gallas. I personally thought Gilberto would have been made captain however Wenger said that a player who is behind and watches the whole game should be made the captain (It was between Toure and Gallas). I think its a conspiracy as no captain has remained at the team for a very long time e.g Viera, Henry so maybe he wants Gallas to go, dont blame him really. Doubt Silva will go to Juventus as I heard Valencia tabled a pretty big offer last week and it got rejected straight away. Chelsea wont sell Diara, not to a rival anyway so it is more likel he will end up in a smaller team.
If the reports are true linking Rosicky to Milan then I think he is the correct player to replace Kaka when Kakas rested, however im not sure if he will be ready to sit on the bench. The bad point about him is that he gets injured more regularly, then again the PL is a pretty physical league so a change may make him a better player. The r10 situation looks simple to me, r10's brother will do whatever he can to improve his brothers contract (thats why he was talking like Barca are the best team in the world) if it fails and they wont renew his contract then they will sell him to us. Btw that news about Milan offering 40 Million pounds, is that true?
hitmannq8
09-08-2007, 13:04
since its been kind of a slow day then i guess we can chat about other things for a bit
hey warro, where do you suggest i go on my next spring break..i went to cuba and cancun so far, but now i want something else.. i hear dominican is just a worse version of cuba.. panama i hear is just far too crowded.. what i have on my mind is Rio, Caribbean cruise (not for young ppl right?), south beach, miami.. nothing concrete yet, but if me and my group dont decide anything by x-mas, then we might go to Europe and watch Milan's champions league 1st game in the knock-out round (if we make it :P).. i do prefer a summer destination somewhere in the Americas though.. i need your suggestions!
hey Tony, proof of the Gallas captaincy:
http://football.guardian.co.uk/breakingnews/feedstory/0,,-6838113,00.html
Yes, the Italians got it wrong. Gilberto will only be a vice-captain.
It's not of much importance, really. It's important that he'll most probably stay in Arsenal and rumors about him leaving for Juve will now stop
Hitmanq do you ever stay in one place? All I ever hear from you is going from one place to another lol.
hitmannq8
09-08-2007, 13:10
AC Milan turn to Man City striker Corradi
tribalfooball.com - August 09, 2007
Manchester City striker Bernardo Corradi is a shock target for AC Milan.
Corradi's future at City remains clouded, despite a promising preseason under new manager Sven Goran Eriksson.
Corriere dello Sport says Milan are eyeing Corradi as they seek cover for Ronaldo and Alberto Gilardino in attack for the new season.
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Funny thing is I remember Braida describing Corradi as a "luxury" 3 years ago. I guess here is our Mr. X guys, who needs Dinho? :D
since its been kind of a slow day then i guess we can chat about other things for a bit
hey warro, where do you suggest i go on my next spring break..i went to cuba and cancun so far, but now i want something else.. i hear dominican is just a worse version of cuba.. panama i hear is just far too crowded.. what i have on my mind is Rio, Caribbean cruise (not for young ppl right?), south beach, miami.. nothing concrete yet, but if me and my group dont decide anything by x-mas, then we might go to Europe and watch Milan's champions league 1st game in the knock-out round (if we make it :P).. i do prefer a summer destination somewhere in the Americas though.. i need your suggestions!
My younger brother used to work on a cruise ship for 6 years and he was always talking about Aruba as a paradise on earth.
But he was visiting all those places for mostly 3-4 hours per day and he didn't get to see how good the night life is.
hitmannq8
09-08-2007, 13:16
Hitmanq do you ever stay in one place? All I ever hear from you is going from one place to another lol.
haha, well, lemme tell you about me.. i am a kuwaiti national, that has been living in Montreal for the past 3 years (for university).. i do mechanical engineering and i start my fourth year this fall.. travelling is a passion of mine, i love to see the world.. other than my plan for spring break, i have a nice idea to go see my 3rd Milan game, but this time all the way in Tokyo, Milan - Boca Juniors :5ok:
and ya alotta ppl call me hitmannq.. its actually just hitman.. the Q8 stands for Kuwait, if you say Q-8 it sounds like 'Kuwait' :)
and btw, did anyone know we have a Milan club in Canada?? lol!! im driving down to Toronto in two weeks and there is a Milan club in Brampton.. has anyone visited it yet? Is there anything cool in it? I know Rino Gattuso took the World Cup there a month ago..
Warro Bantan
09-08-2007, 13:21
hitmann....I would suggest JA...but then you prob would never leave!! (And we would be forced to deport you :D )
Hmm..the cruise is definately for older people, and/or people with kids...
Rio carnival in Brazil is off the chain (or so I have heard/read)..and the T&T carnival is also very nice...
I think the best thing would be for u to PM me the dates you plan to travel, then I can make some better suggestions...
South Beach has a lot of stuck up model types...but if u flash the cash, they will have a sudden "personality transplant" and become malleable to the slightest pressure...a nice place to visit, but could get boring after a day or two...nothing much to do or see...again, depends on what u r looking for.
As a mod, I have to be responsible, and keep threads on-topic...:D so PM me, and we will discuss this some more...or open a thread in the members forum, and we can talk more there.
Russo-Neri
09-08-2007, 13:22
and ya alotta ppl call me hitmannq.. its actually just hitman.. the Q8 stands for Kuwait, if you say Q-8 it sounds like 'Kuwait' :)
what's the extra "n" for?
since its been kind of a slow day then i guess we can chat about other things for a bit
hey warro, where do you suggest i go on my next spring break..i went to cuba and cancun so far, but now i want something else.. i hear dominican is just a worse version of cuba.. panama i hear is just far too crowded.. what i have on my mind is Rio, Caribbean cruise (not for young ppl right?), south beach, miami.. nothing concrete yet, but if me and my group dont decide anything by x-mas, then we might go to Europe and watch Milan's champions league 1st game in the knock-out round (if we make it :P).. i do prefer a summer destination somewhere in the Americas though.. i need your suggestions!
Jamaica is very nice (I only take ca$sh Warro :D ) it has some of the best hotels, beautiful beaches and the women are fairly nice. Next up is Barbados which is mainly for tourists....If you're comming to Trinidad and Tobago make sure you have a good tour guide or else you can spend all your time in Tobago with white sand beaches, Nylon pools snorkeling jet skii'ing the hottest women are from Trinidad though :5ok:
Warro Bantan
09-08-2007, 13:34
Cheque is in the mail dru...opps...I mean the money order :D
Last year i was 1 of those hwo complains bout lack of big signings( mea culpa) :hammer: but no more , i'm confident now in our boys, with Gourcouff confirming and 1 of our forwards confirming aswell(my money's on r99) we can break any team this year, and i have a feeling that next summer dinho will be the one caisin us and beg us to sign him :w221: .
P.S.: again , i hope milan will be in same group with steaua buc. in CL, so my idols will come in Bucharest. :1five:
The question is which team you will support, because i have said that if in the past PAOK will face Milan i will be fanatically with PAOK :1five: .
slicknick
09-08-2007, 14:58
AC Milan turn to Man City striker Corradi
tribalfooball.com - August 09, 2007
Manchester City striker Bernardo Corradi is a shock target for AC Milan.
Corradi's future at City remains clouded, despite a promising preseason under new manager Sven Goran Eriksson.
Corriere dello Sport says Milan are eyeing Corradi as they seek cover for Ronaldo and Alberto Gilardino in attack for the new season.
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Funny thing is I remember Braida describing Corradi as a "luxury" 3 years ago. I guess here is our Mr. X guys, who needs Dinho? :D
God I hope not.... :w221:
I have some transfer news for you i starting making steps without my stics 3 days ago.
i pain after walking a lot and i still crawl my injured leg a little bit but as far PAOK don't need a LB, i will take the place of Janku....
No one mentioned yesterday's transfer of Craig Gordon ?
They all say he's the next Buffon or Cech. Didn't watch him at all to give my opinion but whoever saw him said the kid was brilliant.
And now he was transfered from Hearts (Scotland) to the "bestest" league in the world for an EPL record for a goalkeeper - £9 milion ( 13.2 m euro).
And the team that bought him is Sunderland
Sunderland will pay £7m now and £2 m based on appearances.
This makes Gordon the third most expensive goalkeeper of all time, behind the two best Italian keepers of the last 10 years, Buffon and Peruzzi :
1. Gianluigi Buffon £32m Parma to Juventus, 2001
2. Angelo Peruzzi £10.5m Juventus to Internazionale, 1999
3. Craig Gordon £9m Hearts to Sunderland, 2007
4. Fabien Barthez £7.8m, Monaco to Man Utd, 2000
5. Gianluca Pagliuca £7.5m, Sampdoria to Inter, 1994
6. Peter Cech £7m Rennes to Chelsea, 2004
7. Chris Kirkland £6m Coventry to Liverpool, 2001
8. Richard Wright £6m Ipswich to Arsenal, 2001
9. Luca Marchegiani £6m, Torino to Lazio, July 1993
10.Jose Reina £6m Villarreal to Liverpool, 2005
nice move. if he is half as good as you say they can sell him next year for 18+ €. Not bad...
Nice find Tony, but im sure Man United paid more than that for Barthez.
Kaka--7thUCL
09-08-2007, 17:56
When does Barca's asian tour finish?
Graeme C
09-08-2007, 18:15
anyone else think that the result tonight could might make the management reconsider signing more players? we do definately need another striker...
anyone else think that the result tonight could might make the management reconsider signing more players? we do definately need another striker...
I think the same actually.
Another weak display in our attacking department, overall it wasn't bad and we also have to consider that the players haven't reached their full potential yet AND that Gila has just recoverd from an injury but still..
A new striker and fullback is a must!
Doesn't have to be expensive.
Pasquale/Zaccardo/Zambrotta/Zapata
Cassano
Nice find Tony, but im sure Man United paid more than that for Barthez.
I don't remember how much United paid. I just copied this list from another place.
But if you type "Barthez joined United" in google you'll get many links and everywhere you'll see the same number - £7.8m.
It's not important. What's important is that the spending power of EPL teams grows bigger and bigger and i must repeat again that i'm worried. They are making the others hard to follow.
Sunderland, team that just got promoted, spends more money on goalkeeper than a CL participant, Lazio, will spend during the entire summer mercato.
This sucks !
Russo-Neri
09-08-2007, 19:43
R Betis Milan 1-0!!!!! We got shut out!!!!! Hopefully a couple more of these offensive failures and Galliani et al will wake up and get someone!
I don't remember how much United paid. I just copied this list from another place.
But if you type "Barthez joined United" in google you'll get many links and everywhere you'll see the same number - £7.8m.
It's not important. What's important is that the spending power of EPL teams grows bigger and bigger and i must repeat again that i'm worried. They are making the others hard to follow.
Sunderland, team that just got promoted, spends more money on goalkeeper than a CL participant, Lazio, will spend during the entire summer mercato.
This sucks !
Oh well at least no one will knock off Juve from the number one spot, Im not sure but some one told me that there is more money pumped into the PL than any other league in Europe including Spain and Italy. You do have a point about Sunderland and Lazio and I personally think there should be limits in all countries, many rules need to be changed for example the bottom 3 teams that get relegated from the premiership get bucket loads of more money compared to the teams that get promoted from the fizzy pop league (its really stupid because with the amount of money the relegated teams have they can build a very strong squad to get back to the premiership). Another thing someone told me you get the same amount of money in remaining in the premiership than you get for actually winning the CL, this I dont know if it is true so im hoping someone could enlighten me but if it is true then its a joke.
Kaka--7thUCL
09-08-2007, 20:18
I CANT BELIEVE REAL BETIS BEAT US! VERYYYYYYYY PPOOR DISPLAY IN ATTACK. if milan don't sign r10 now i dont know what i'll do, with our attacks current form at the MINIMUM i expect someone like etoo no ifs and or buts, theres nothing else that can fix our attacking problems, we need our promised super star attacker! Not saying ducky boy isnt but hes a long time project
Kaka--7thUCL
09-08-2007, 20:22
I'm outraged by this, I'm sorry but I don't want the same thing to happen as last year! Excuse me if any spamming in this post, but we have no good LB's! Janku out of form, Serginho aging, we definitely need a LB and quick. Kaladze was good 2 years but now you can forget about it, and for goalkeepers,dida is alright but he still makes some lazy slip ups and we dont need a lazy goalkeeper, we'd better whip him back to form or just replace him all together, and we need an attacker(R10!) I let these other few games where our attack was just i guess you could say SLEEPING apart from super ronaldo :D but the rest of our attack are running zombies, of course not including kaka, didnt think i had to mention him though, we definitely need ronaldinho or these problems will just go on through out this season and byebye scudetto
Chill out buddy - its not end of the world as its not even the 31st of August
milanista mosta
09-08-2007, 21:15
Is Rosicky comeing?
remote2book
09-08-2007, 22:05
kkkk i kno its pre season...but please please please i hope we dont do the same thing we did last season which is not to score against not ne more than average teams....dat was our biggest problems so y cant the managment see dat and try to add a new striker ...and not just mention a few names and never really make an attempt for them....i still bieleve we r a strong teams capable of beating anybody but we need more depth in our squad if we r to survive the whole year .....sometimes players get injured and or need a rest and we need players that are strong to be ready
kkkk i kno its pre season...but please please please i hope we dont do the same thing we did last season which is not to score against not ne more than average teams....dat was our biggest problems so y cant the managment see dat and try to add a new striker ...and not just mention a few names and never really make an attempt for them....i still bieleve we r a strong teams capable of beating anybody but we need more depth in our squad if we r to survive the whole year .....sometimes players get injured and or need a rest and we need players that are strong to be ready
Last season we don't have ronaldo and gilardino spend a lot of time injuried in the first half of the season. I don't think it will be the same this year.
Russo-Neri
09-08-2007, 22:18
I CANT BELIEVE REAL BETIS BEAT US! VERYYYYYYYY PPOOR DISPLAY IN ATTACK. if milan don't sign r10 now i dont know what i'll do, with our attacks current form at the MINIMUM i expect someone like etoo no ifs and or buts, theres nothing else that can fix our attacking problems, we need our promised super star attacker! Not saying ducky boy isnt but hes a long time project
Obviously we played a skeleton crew on attack with no Pippo, Gila or R99, so you can't assume it will be bad all season. I'm with you though that we do need to sign a striker of some sort. Maybe not a 1st teamer but someone that can be a solid backup. And we definitely need a world class LB - biggest need on the starting XI no doubt.
Barca lost last year too, with Ronaldinho. I didn't watch that match but I think it's not too much to worry about.
Kaka--7thUCL
09-08-2007, 23:27
Obviously we played a skeleton crew on attack with no Pippo, Gila or R99, so you can't assume it will be bad all season. I'm with you though that we do need to sign a striker of some sort. Maybe not a 1st teamer but someone that can be a solid backup. And we definitely need a world class LB - biggest need on the starting XI no doubt.
Yeah I know, if we get an LB I'd be fine with any striker.. Baptista and Zambrotta :grinser:
Kaka--7thUCL
09-08-2007, 23:29
Lol, good milan fan i am^^ but the only game so far I've watched is that of Betis, in previous games do yall now if kaka played well? Just wondering,wouldn't want him to go downhill if its possible :P
atreides602
10-08-2007, 05:07
The question is which team you will support, because i have said that if in the past PAOK will face Milan i will be fanatically with PAOK :1five: .
there's no question wich team i will suport , i am rosso-nero 4 life and no steaua fan, i only want them in same group to see our boys live in my town , maybe a foto too ( dreams :p155: ).
In other order, it's not unusual a team hwo plays well in friendlye games acts bad in the start of season and viceversa. :5ok:
l.e.: if dinamo bucharest beats lazio and qualify for the group stages(not very likely though) , i will have double chanses for milan in Bhucarest( and again : no dinamo bucharest fan).
Maltese Charlie
10-08-2007, 08:04
EMERSON IS COMING!!!! VERY SOON!
Studio Sport, a TV program on Italia uno said that Milan had reached an agreement with the player. 3.5 million per year till 2010.
now they have to reach an agreement with Real.
EMERSON IS COMING!!!! VERY SOON!
Studio Sport, a TV program on Italia uno said that Milan had reached an agreement with the player. 3.5 million per year till 2010.
now they have to reach an agreement with Real.
The problem with Real will be the same as with Baptista.
Milan wants Emerson on loan. They are offering 2m euro for 1 year loan with an option to buy him for 6m euro after the loan deal is over. But again Real wants to sell him directly. ( i don't know how reliable this info is though. It's from Spanish newspaper "Sport")
Edit : And according to the same newspaper, Inter are ready to buy him now from Real but Emerson has chosen Milan and that's what's complicating everything.
Maltese Charlie
10-08-2007, 08:23
The problem with Real will be the same as with Baptista.
Milan wants Emerson on loan. They are offering 2m euro for 1 year loan with an option to buy him for 6m euro after the loan deal is over. But again Real wants to sell him directly. ( i don't know how reliable this info is though. It's from Spanish newspaper "Sport")
Edit : And according to the same newspaper, Inter are ready to buy him now from Real but Emerson has chosen Milan and that's what's complicating everything.
I think it's reliable because it is on tgcom as well.
zlatanov
10-08-2007, 08:24
the scenario above is only one of many thrown around by the press ... lately, they have been suggesting that Milan is taking their time so that Real M buys some players, fill up their squad and find themselves forced to release players.
As that happens, the price of unwanted players like Emerson drops down and, as it has been mentioned, he could become available for 3-4 mil or even rescind his contract with Real, although I doubt the last one.
Similarly with baptista - Milan is again bying time and if Real manage to get Van Der Vaart, now that Robben is virtually theirs, Real would be more flexible in the negotiations as Baptista would become an unnecessary "weight".
Maltese Charlie
10-08-2007, 08:31
- Galliani non dorme
Eurosport - ven, 10 ago 11:20:00 2007
Milan ancora in cerca di un centrocampista, Inter decisa a sfoltire la rosa. Le ultime del calciomercato
Inter a caccia
Così non va
Sonnecchia ma non dorme. Galliani, che a parole ha già concluso il proprio lavoro sul mercato milanista, sta in realtà cercando il centrocampista indispensabili a dar fiato a Pirlo, Ambrosini e Gattuso. Il nome più gettonato è quello di Emerson, dotato di tecnica e di corsa di esperienza internazionale e con una grande voglia di rivalsa. Il profilo perfetto per la ciliegina sulla torta di Ancelotti. Nei molti forum sparsi per la rete i tifosi juventini si sono scatenati contro la dirigenza, rea di non voler riportare il Puma in bianconero.
Sembra nel frattempo rientrata la magagna Del Piero. Il capitano infatti firmerà il prolungamento del contratto fino al 2010. Decisivo nella trattativa il parere di Ranieri, che considera il capitano il giocatore cardine intorno al quale costruire una compagine vincente. Madrid centro del mercato internazionale. Dopo aver ufficializzato Drenthe, i blancos sono vicini a concludere con Robben e stanno seriamente pensando di confermare Batista, soprattutto dopo il no ricevuto da Ballack.
Ore decisive per Cassano, che ha nuovamente rifiutato l'Inghilterra. Il talento di Bari Vecchia vuole la Samp, Marotta è d'accordo nel portarlo a Marassi, da limare la distanza tra domanda e offerta sull"ingaggio del talentuoso attaccante. L'Inter deve sfoltire la rosa, operazione indispensabile sia per rimpinguare le casse che per mantenere un clima di serenità all"interno dello spogliatoio. Cesar e Recoba sono molto vicini al passaggio al Napoli.
De Laurentis durante il trofeo Moretti ha promesso tre colpi, due dei quali sarebbero i sudamericani dell'Inter. Il primo per garantire spinta sulla fascia, il secondo per ravvivare un attacco troppo macchinoso. La Fiorentina continua a lavorare in silenzio, a caccia del giocatore in grado di completare una rosa già altamente competitiva. Nelle ultime ore Corvino ha riavviato la trattativa col Porto per Ricardo Quaresma, laterale di talento, giovane ma in grado di aumentare il tasso tecnico del centrocampo viola.
Tacchinardi vicino a chiudere col Brescia, mancano solo i dettagli dell"operazione, Muzzi lascia il Torino e si trasferisce in serie C con la maglia del Padova. Il Siena vicino a chiudere con Corradi, Alvarez, laterale, nell'ultima stagione impegnato con la maglia del Messina, è a un passo dal Catania
Tony, you are the master of MM for such news, so I let the translation for you. :devf:
Zlatanov, this article says that Real most probaly will confirm Baptista.
the scenario above is only one of many thrown around by the press ... lately, they have been suggesting that Milan is taking their time so that Real M buys some players, fill up their squad and find themselves forced to release players.
As that happens, the price of unwanted players like Emerson drops down and, as it has been mentioned, he could become available for 3-4 mil or even rescind his contract with Real, although I doubt the last one.
Similarly with baptista - Milan is again bying time and if Real manage to get Van Der Vaart, now that Robben is virtually theirs, Real would be more flexible in the negotiations as Baptista would become an unnecessary "weight".
IMO it`s a very smart move by Milan! It`s a good strategy to buy a player who can perform better In Milan with cheeper price! :p017: :grinser: :devf:
I hope we`ll sign Emmerson, as for Baptista, I don`t now, I don`t like him that much! :rolleyes:
thomas_h
10-08-2007, 08:47
Tony , please translate Charlie`s
- Galliani non dorme
Eurosport - ven, 10 ago 11:20:00 2007
Milan ancora in cerca di un centrocampista, Inter decisa a sfoltire la rosa. Le ultime del calciomercato
Inter a caccia
Così non va
Sonnecchia ma non dorme. Galliani, che a parole ha già concluso il proprio lavoro sul mercato milanista, sta in realtà cercando il centrocampista indispensabili a dar fiato a Pirlo, Ambrosini e Gattuso. Il nome più gettonato è quello di Emerson, dotato di tecnica e di corsa di esperienza internazionale e con una grande voglia di rivalsa. Il profilo perfetto per la ciliegina sulla torta di Ancelotti. Nei molti forum sparsi per la rete i tifosi juventini si sono scatenati contro la dirigenza, rea di non voler riportare il Puma in bianconero.
Sembra nel frattempo rientrata la magagna Del Piero. Il capitano infatti firmerà il prolungamento del contratto fino al 2010. Decisivo nella trattativa il parere di Ranieri, che considera il capitano il giocatore cardine intorno al quale costruire una compagine vincente. Madrid centro del mercato internazionale. Dopo aver ufficializzato Drenthe, i blancos sono vicini a concludere con Robben e stanno seriamente pensando di confermare Batista, soprattutto dopo il no ricevuto da Ballack.
Ore decisive per Cassano, che ha nuovamente rifiutato l'Inghilterra. Il talento di Bari Vecchia vuole la Samp, Marotta è d'accordo nel portarlo a Marassi, da limare la distanza tra domanda e offerta sull"ingaggio del talentuoso attaccante. L'Inter deve sfoltire la rosa, operazione indispensabile sia per rimpinguare le casse che per mantenere un clima di serenità all"interno dello spogliatoio. Cesar e Recoba sono molto vicini al passaggio al Napoli.
De Laurentis durante il trofeo Moretti ha promesso tre colpi, due dei quali sarebbero i sudamericani dell'Inter. Il primo per garantire spinta sulla fascia, il secondo per ravvivare un attacco troppo macchinoso. La Fiorentina continua a lavorare in silenzio, a caccia del giocatore in grado di completare una rosa già altamente competitiva. Nelle ultime ore Corvino ha riavviato la trattativa col Porto per Ricardo Quaresma, laterale di talento, giovane ma in grado di aumentare il tasso tecnico del centrocampo viola.
Tacchinardi vicino a chiudere col Brescia, mancano solo i dettagli dell"operazione, Muzzi lascia il Torino e si trasferisce in serie C con la maglia del Padova. Il Siena vicino a chiudere con Corradi, Alvarez, laterale, nell'ultima stagione impegnato con la maglia del Messina, è a un passo dal Catania
Tony, you are the master of MM for such news, so I let the translation for you. :devf:
Zlatanov, this article says that Real most probaly will confirm Baptista.
I'll kill you for this Charlie :diablo:
I won't translate it word by word, just in short :
1. Even though Galliani "closed" this summer mercato, in reality they are still looking for a midfielder to give a rest to Pirlo, Gattuso and Ambrosini. The most mentioned name is that of Emerson who is exactly what Ancelotti wants.
Juventini are angry at their board for not wanting to bring back Puma to Juventus ( why did the writer mention this ? :rolleyes: )
2. Del Piero renewed his contract with Juve
3. After confirming Drenthe and being close to Robben, Real would like to keep Baptista especially after Ballack rejected to join them.
4. Decisive hours for Cassano who again rejected to play in England. Samprdoria wants him but there is still a difference between the asking and offered price.
5. Cesar and Recoba are very close to a transfer from Inter to Napoli. De Laurentis promised 3 new players, 2 of them being south americans from Inter
6. Fiorentina is still working in silence. They are in negotiations with Porto for Ricardo Quaresma
7. Tacchinardi is close to Brescia, Muzzi left Torino and went to a serie C club, Siena is close to signing Corradi while Messina's Alvarez is close to Catania.
I hope the Emerson deal fails big time. Don't want him in Milan.
zlatanov
10-08-2007, 09:10
Tony, you are the master of MM for such news, so I let the translation for you. :devf:
Thanks, Charlie :1five:
:grinser:
Zlatanov, this article says that Real most probaly will confirm Baptista.
I guess that's a whole lot of nothing for nothing - I think this was menioned as an option when the arrival of Robben was still unsure.
IMO the only reason why Baptista is still not off-loaded is that Real are waiting to see how the mercato goes and if they get the players they are after - Robben and Drenthe are already theirs - Baptista is history.
Robben is already theirs, in attacking mid/attack apart from Robben they have Robinho, Guti, Raul, Saviola, RVN, Higuain, and Soldado ... that's like 7-8 players for 4 starting spots ... and getting robben for 35 mil would mean Schuster would have to start his team list with him.
in midfield, along with guti, it seems they would be relying on Diarra, Gago and De La Red (that's not counting 2-3 fill up midfielrs from Real's system, I think like Balboa, Gonazalez etc) .... not to forget Drenthe too, who can play LB but also LM (like Seedorf in Milan's formation) and even left winger/attacking mid like Robben.
And, from the looks of it, Schuster is asking for more reinforcements (clear indication that Baptista is not in his plans IMO) - like van Der Vaart or Sneijder, for instance - which would mean even less space for someone like Baptista.
The way I see it, if Real don't get Van Der Vaart/Sneijder there is a remote chance that they might be forced to "like" Baptista at least until January, otherwise, the guy is a passenger already.
btw, looks like Real know how to be convincing - an offer of 24 mil for Sneijder:
http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/index.php?action=read&id=71059
Maltese Charlie
10-08-2007, 09:21
Yes, I agree with your post, but for a moment I thought that Schuster changed his mind. Don't forget that Baptista was the best player in yesterday's Real friendly match.
The B team played much better than the A team.
If we got Quaresma i'd be such a good boy.... I won't even say bad things about gila for a whole month :(
Maltese Charlie
10-08-2007, 09:29
I'll kill you for this Charlie :diablo: .
:grinser: :grinser:
I suggest you ( as a friend ) to think it twice!
If remains certain about your statement I will remind you that you have to feed 5 large dogs everyday..... and I can tell you its not a joke. :grinser: :grinser:
:grinser: :grinser:
I suggest you ( as a friend ) to think it twice!
If remains certain about your statement I will remind you that you have to feed 5 large dogs everyday..... and I can tell you its not a joke. :grinser: :grinser:
Nah, i was kidding. You know how much i enjoy translating stuff :devf:
Some other news for today :
1. Real Madrid offered 24m euro for Sneijder. "The deal is not done yet but there is a great possibility that Sneijder will leave Ajax" , said the technical director of the Dutch team, Martin van Geel.
About Real again....according to Marca they are pushing for Quaresma.
2. Bernard Mendy, after his transfer to Celtic failed, decided to stay with PSG
3. According to "Daily Mail" Arsenal will offer 12m euro for Luka Modric
4. According to Ferguson, Heinze will stay with United
5. Tacchinardi signed 2 years contract with Brescia
6. After selling Tiago, Malouda and Abidal , Lyon categorically rejected to sell Kim Kallstrom for whom Milan and especially Valencia have shown interest.
7. Quagliarella renewed his contract with Udinese until 2012
Channel4 quotes of the week. They can be mean sometimes, but you got to love them
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/quotes.html
My favorites this week are :
“Inter v Juventus is Italian football. It is everything calcio stands for – memories, nerves, joy, pain, anger and emotion.”
Nerazzurri chief Massimo Moratti experienced all of it except the joy until Calciopoli removed Juve from the equation
“Whoever they find now will always be half the player I am.”
Francesco Coco tells St Etienne they’ll regret snubbing him, although someone half the player he is would be a quarter of an average full-back
I hope the Emerson deal fails big time. Don't want him in Milan.
So do I, dude... I guess it's simply unacceptable to see Real signing players like Sneijder and Van de Vaart, while we're waiting to pick their rejects. :mad:
zlatanov
10-08-2007, 10:39
well, that's exactly why Calderon and Co are winning like there is no tomorrow while Galliani and his miserable bunch are just watching from the stands ... obviously, everything happens for a reason :rolleyes:
And Milan should jump in for Sneijder with a 30 mil offer eventhough 15 would be more than enough ... to show them who's the boss, you know ...
and we should go for Quaresma too while his pricetag is 40 mil before Porto has dropped it to 20-30 mil 'cause the more expensive a player is, the better he must be ... so a 40 mil Quaresma must be definitely better than a 20-mil one.
And Van de Vaart, what a player ... he's just 23 yo and has proven himself everywhere by winnng virtually everything like for instance ... huh, huh, keeping Hamburg in Bundelsiga 1 single-handedly eventhough he spent half of the season out injured, yet again.
You know, 15 mil might be enough to get him but we should offer 25 mil cause that way we'd be getting a much better player, you know ... that will teach them Real M who's the boss in the world of business-savvy people
:D
Maltese Charlie
10-08-2007, 11:04
:grinser: :grinser: well, that's exactly why Calderon and Co are winning like there is no tomorrow while Galliani and his miserable bunch are just watching from the stands ... obviously, everything happens for a reason :rolleyes:
And Milan should jump in for Sneijder with a 30 mil offer eventhough 15 would be more than enough ... to show them who's the boss, you know ...
and we should go for Quaresma too while his pricetag is 40 mil before Porto has dropped it to 20-30 mil 'cause the more expensive a player is, the better he must be ... so a 40 mil Quaresma must be definitely better than a 20-mil one.
And Van de Vaart, what a player ... he's just 23 yo and has proven himself everywhere by winnng virtually everything like for instance ... huh, huh, keeping Hamburg in Bundelsiga 1 single-handedly eventhough he spent half of the season out injured, yet again.
You know, 15 mil might be enough to get him but we should offer 25 mil cause that way we'd be getting a much better player, you know ... that will teach them Real M who's the boss in the world of business-savvy people
:D
I managed to keep alive from Tony's attacks on my life and now I found you Zlat. You really was going to kill me ........................................with laughter....after reading this post. :grinser: :grinser:
Egoistka
10-08-2007, 11:11
well, that's exactly why Calderon and Co are winning like there is no tomorrow while Galliani and his miserable bunch are just watching from the stands ... obviously, everything happens for a reason :rolleyes:
And Milan should jump in for Sneijder with a 30 mil offer eventhough 15 would be more than enough ... to show them who's the boss, you know ...
and we should go for Quaresma too while his pricetag is 40 mil before Porto has dropped it to 20-30 mil 'cause the more expensive a player is, the better he must be ... so a 40 mil Quaresma must be definitely better than a 20-mil one.
And Van de Vaart, what a player ... he's just 23 yo and has proven himself everywhere by winnng virtually everything like for instance ... huh, huh, keeping Hamburg in Bundelsiga 1 single-handedly eventhough he spent half of the season out injured, yet again.
You know, 15 mil might be enough to get him but we should offer 25 mil cause that way we'd be getting a much better player, you know ... that will teach them Real M who's the boss in the world of business-savvy people
:D
LOL...:)
I dont think that we at all should hunt for Van de Vaart and Quaresma...
Maltese Charlie
10-08-2007, 11:25
Baptista: 'Sarò un giocatore degno del Real Madrid'
16:34 del 10 agosto
"Quando sono arrivato era per restare perchè l'allenatore ha fiducia in me. Voglio ripagare questa fiducia giocando nel modo migliore possibile, dimostrando di essere un giocatore degno del Real Madrid". Julio Baptista sbatte nuovamente la porta in faccia al Milan. "Ho parlato con Schuster che intende utilizzarmi come mezza punta. Qui ci sono tanti giocatori con caratteristiche simili, ma l'importante è godere della fiducia del tecnico".
Baptista closed the door again in Milan's face.
He said "I spoke with Schuster and he intend to use me an attacker (mezza punta). Here we have many similar players but the most important is that the coach has faith in me."
hitmannq8
10-08-2007, 11:34
emm let's say we get Emerson, what about what the management said about not going for him to give space for Gorky?
Maltese Charlie
10-08-2007, 11:37
Lots of rumors about Emerson, some of then are saying that the transfer can be officially signed next monday.
Kaka--7thUCL
10-08-2007, 11:38
Emerson sucks i want r10 :)
Kaka--7thUCL
10-08-2007, 11:41
Dont know if anyones posted this but here you go. http://goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=378350
Apparently the offer was 60M. It was rejected.
zlatanov
10-08-2007, 11:43
Baptista: 'Sarò un giocatore degno del Real Madrid'
16:34 del 10 agosto
"Quando sono arrivato era per restare perchè l'allenatore ha fiducia in me. Voglio ripagare questa fiducia giocando nel modo migliore possibile, dimostrando di essere un giocatore degno del Real Madrid". Julio Baptista sbatte nuovamente la porta in faccia al Milan. "Ho parlato con Schuster che intende utilizzarmi come mezza punta. Qui ci sono tanti giocatori con caratteristiche simili, ma l'importante è godere della fiducia del tecnico".
Baptista closed the door again in Milan's face.
He said "I spoke with Schuster and he intend to use me an attacker (mezza punta). Here we have many similar players but the most important is that the coach has faith in me."
Real and Schuster are just buying time, Charlie ... just wait and see how the lyrics of the song will soon change as soon as Robben is officially announced and one of Sneijder/Van de Vaart comes too ;)
Real and Schuster are just buying time, Charlie ... just wait and see how the lyrics of the song will soon change as soon as Robben is officially announced and one of Sneijder/Van de Vaart comes too ;)
That's true, also you had very good point in one of your previous posts about Emerson and Baptista.
Nevertheless, i think that if it's up to Baptista he'd really chose Real. I don't know if he's getting a fat pay-check there or he loves the team or something, but he really seems determined to stay with Real.
Of course, if Real want to sell him (and i completely agree with you that they will dump him the moment another midfielder arrives) then he won't refuse to play for Milan. But it really surprised me to see how much he wants to stay in Madrid.
Maltese Charlie
10-08-2007, 11:52
emm let's say we get Emerson, what about what the management said about not going for him to give space for Gorky?
Gorky's space depends on himself and Ancellotti.
Emerson has nothing to do with that problem. His role is different than Gorky.
If Emerson is phisically well and not injured, he's the best signing Milan can do for the midfield.
Kaka--7thUCL
10-08-2007, 11:56
Another youngster who we should go for if all else fails (R10,Baptista,Rosicky etc) - Kerlon.. He has good FK's , and very good tricks on the pitch.
And to previous post --
You can't overrate Emerson that much as to say he could be the best midfield signing if in form? To start, the in-form Emerson is not all that great, and his age doesn't make our squad anymore youthful, he's probably the worst midfield signing as we don't exactly need someone of his age in our midfield , but we do need a long-time replacement, but that can wait a couple of years, anyways, we need something in attack and definitely a LB, Milan haven't had much movement in this transfer market, if they'd went for a person for every position that lacks and then some, like Real Madrid is doing, we would be unstoppable, of course, I still think getting r10 and somewhat of a world class LB would definitely crown us champs of europe once again :p017:
Maltese Charlie
10-08-2007, 12:06
Real and Schuster are just buying time, Charlie ... just wait and see how the lyrics of the song will soon change as soon as Robben is officially announced and one of Sneijder/Van de Vaart comes too ;)
Can be, but if it is the case Baptista is brainless to speak in such a way.
In such cases players normally speak more diplomatic.
But I will bet (BIMBO)1 of my dogs that Milan will sign Emerson next week.
Are you interested in this bet, Zlat?
My dogs are very talented. Recently they manage to disappear permanently 2 LMB's and 10 meters wire of my Satellite Dish. :grinser:
do u really agree that we need a 33yr old midfielder called Emerson?? I think, we better buy a striker and a defender.
tevez would have been a great deal,
He's not 33, but your point is right. Our merda cousins are looking at Bannega for the future, whilst we are stuck on (i would say golden oldies, but for me emerson was never a golden player), overated players, esp as he kept Veron out of a game for Leverkusen vs Lazio. A footballing myth, who doesn't deserve to wear rednblack.
Maltese Charlie
10-08-2007, 12:19
do u really agree that we need a 33yr old midfielder called Emerson?? I think, we better buy a striker and a defender.
Yes, I think so.
Our team is fine as it is now.
Emerson wil be only a sub, and he is the best option from the available list of players who are for sale. He is a guarantee in serie A. (If he is fit)
Even Sacchi today said that Milan are complete as they are, but because they have some aged players it will be useful if they sign Alves OR Emerson.
I believe nobody will be offended if I trust more Sacchi's opinion, although here in MM we have more competent people. :grinser:
We don't have the squad to compete in Serie A and the CL. That was shown last season, and this season we have less players too. The difference between our first choice eleven, and their subs is vast, and another injury prone, SLOW midfielder will offer nothing to our squad.
Yes, I think so.
Our team is fine as it is now.
Emerson wil be only a sub, and he is the best option from the available list of players who are for sale. He is a guarantee in serie A. (If he is fit)
Even Sacchi today said that Milan are complete as they are, but because they have some aged players it will be useful if they sign Alves OR Emerson.
I believe nobody will be offended if I trust more Sacchi's opinion, although here in MM we have more competent people. :grinser:
Especially if you get him on loan.
I'm really surprised that people can't see what's the good thing in Emerson eventhough we wrote pages and pages about that.
It's not Sacchi that makes me think Puma will be more than very useful to Milan. I have my own eyes and my own brain to make such conclusion.
But when people, coaching legends, like Sacchi, Capello and Ancelotti all agree on Emerson and they all want him / would like him to play in their team than i'd think twice before i say Emo is no good.
I perfectly understand why Milan fans don't want him in Milan. He was a Juventino and he's not attractive to watch....but to say he's weak player and useless as it was said here few days ago :rolleyes:
I guess normal football fans and football experts look at the game differently.
hitmannq8
10-08-2007, 12:49
Indeed Tony, football fans would love to see a midfield of Kaka-Ronaldinho-Lampard-Messi, they do not know that that would self-destruct. Ancelotti's system and CL win last year should teach alot of the people here that it is not about getting the best players, but about balance and teamwork. Unforunately players like Emerson, Gattuso, Ambrosini, Nesta do not get enough credit for the effort they put in. I know this because I am a defender myself and have played in a few leagues here and there and it is very very rare that people see the effort you actually put in. They only notice the mistakes you make, but if you stopped an important counter-attack or a goal-line clearance it would be completely forgotten after 2 minutes!
Emerson would be a valuable addition to our side, I agree. I also know that Gorky plays in a different role, but earlier this summer Galliani did say we aint goin for Emerson just to give Yoann space (it made no sense to me), and now he is going back for Emerson (if we believe the rumours). I also just hope that they do realize that we have bigger problems in defence and offense than midfield.
Warro Bantan
10-08-2007, 13:14
Indeed Tony, football fans would love to see a midfield of Kaka-Ronaldinho-Lampard-Messi, they do not know that that would self-destruct. How true. Too much FIFA 07 and FM if u ask me.
Ancelotti's system and CL win last year should teach alot of the people here that it is not about getting the best players, but about balance and teamwork. Hear hear. Balance is so important for a side, and here is where the midfield comes in for special mention. A player like Emerson, yes, he is old, and yes, he is slow, but he has experience, grit, and enough determination for the limited role he will play for us, and like it or not, we need his "muscle" on the pitch.
Unforunately players like Emerson, Gattuso, Ambrosini, Nesta do not get enough credit for the effort they put in. Again, agreed...and these are the players that often do the most work!!
I know this because I am a defender myself and have played in a few leagues here and there and it is very very rare that people see the effort you actually put in. They only notice the mistakes you make, but if you stopped an important counter-attack or a goal-line clearance it would be completely forgotten after 2 minutes! Disagree a bit here :D ...they do remember if you score a goal, like Ambro has done, and u kno, Puma has this reputation for scoring...albeit not often, but often enuf for a DM. :zany:
Emerson would be a valuable addition to our side, I agree. I also know that Gorky plays in a different role, but earlier this summer Galliani did say we aint goin for Emerson just to give Yoann space (it made no sense to me), and now he is going back for Emerson (if we believe the rumours). I also just hope that they do realize that we have bigger problems in defence and offense than midfield.But do you think that getting Emerson may indeed free up Gorky for a more attacking role in the middle?
That is my hope. :5ok:
I guess normal football fans and football experts look at the game differently.
Tony, this phrase of yours is the summary of this entire thread...
Hasan Rossonero
10-08-2007, 13:23
I would welcome Emerson's move because I think Ambrosini, as much as I love the player, is too injury prone.
My only reservation:
1) Emerson is a poor human being. The way he left Roma, and the way he started singing Milan's praises when it appeared that a move may be on the cards was highly unsettling--even by modern footballing standards.
zlatanov
10-08-2007, 14:09
I would welcome Emerson's move because I think Ambrosini, as much as I love the player, is too injury prone.
My only reservation:
1) Emerson is a poor human being. The way he left Roma, and the way he started singing Milan's praises when it appeared that a move may be on the cards was highly unsettling--even by modern footballing standards.
I agree, I have never liked that side of Emerson or many other players out there for that matter - not all Juve fans were very greatful for the way players like Canna and Zambro left either - but that's how it is in the entertainment world, I guess.
If Emerson was a 23-24 yo player and we were eyeing him for the long run, I'd have been much more concerned about this but given the reasons behind Milan's interest in him - cheap and available, proven solution for the short run, I guess we can't complain much.
As for Baptista, I predict that within a week, 10 days tops, the words that would be coming out of his mouth will be - "Milan, is a great club and it's every player's dream to play for them ... I came here to win" ... :tired: :diablo:
and remember, you heard it here first :grinser:
zlatanov
10-08-2007, 14:23
I usually don't pay much attention to goal.com but if this is true, it would be a hillarious proof of how inept Real M's management is:
http://goal.com/en-US/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=378911
several weeks ago, Valencia turned down Sneijder after the deal was given for virtually done for a fee of around 15 mil euros ... now, Real come out of their hole, they offer 24 mil but Ajax want 30 mil just because it's Real they are dealing with :D
Same story with Quaresma - Atletico could have had him for around 25 mil but when Real entered the picture, the price jumped to 40 mil and now Porto are playing hard to get by declairing him "not-for-sale" (most probably just a nice attempt to make Real want Quaresma even more).
That's what you get when you buy a Pepe for 30 mil when even at 18 mil, the player was considered "overpriced" by the other clubs that were after his sigi :D
Maltese Charlie
10-08-2007, 14:39
As for Baptista, I predict that within a week, 10 days tops, the words that would be coming out of his mouth will be - "Milan, is a great club and it's every player's dream to play for them ... I came here to win" ... :tired: :diablo:
and remember, you heard it here first :grinser:
If this happens I will send you my "talented dog" named Bimbo to keep him for 1 month or all my 5 dogs together for 1 week+air ticket (enough time to destroy everything you have fixed. :grinser: )
but if Milan signs Emerson first, you should make all the Translations in english for 1whole month.
Do you agree? Is it a deal? :grinser: :grinser: :grinser:
Bosniaco
10-08-2007, 14:42
I think we should get Rafinha from Shalke 04, rightback good back up for Oddo and a replacment for Cafu. Maybe we can get him next season.
Warro Bantan
10-08-2007, 14:44
Just took a closer look at this from channel4.coms transfer section:
Milan
IN: Abbiati (G, Torino); Donati (M, Atalanta), Sammarco (M, Chievo), Antonini (M, Siena), Novinic (A, Nafta Lendava), Ba (M, Varese), Pato (A, Internacional)
OUT: Costacurta (D, retired), Abate (M, Empoli), Borriello (A, Genoa), Donati (M, Celtic), Abbiati (G, Atletico Madrid) Sammarco (M, Sampdoria), Di Gennaro (A, Bologna), Coppola (G, Atalanta), Grimi (D, Siena), Oliveira (A, Zaragoza)
This Novinic...is he the wunderkid we got from Eastern Europe? Is he playing for us in the youth Champions League? Or was he signed too late? Anyone kno anything bout this dude?
Just took a closer look at this from channel4.coms transfer section:
This Novinic...is he the wunderkid we got from Eastern Europe? Is he playing for us in the youth Champions League? Or was he signed too late? Anyone kno anything bout this dude?
you are right, im quite sure this is the 16 yo wonderkid picked up from eastern europe. and on the emerson front, i wonder who would ppl here rather have, emerson or motta? motta is asking his boss to be let off for free and choose club after his boss declared publicily that he does not fit in barca's plans. even if we buy him, he would be cheaper than emerson and it would be easier to deal with barca than real m. motta is younger but emerson is experienced, who would you guys rather have?
Just took a closer look at this from channel4.coms transfer section:
This Novinic...is he the wunderkid we got from Eastern Europe? Is he playing for us in the youth Champions League? Or was he signed too late? Anyone kno anything bout this dude?
Nope, nothing to do with wunderkid as far as i know. I have many friends from Slovenia and one of them is the best pundit on earth, with an incredible football knowledge about every single league (the guy covers even Scottish 4th divisions) . His nick is Macot and is a collegue mod of mine from www.bettingadvice.com.
I talk often with these guys and they never mentioned Mitja Novinic as a special player. They were even pleasantly surprised when they saw him go to Milan.
The boy is only 16 and is probably talented but he's not a hyped EE player.
That's what you get when you buy a Pepe for 30 mil when even at 18 mil, the player was considered "overpriced" by the other clubs that were after his sigi
This joke is originally with Abramovic but it won't hurt if i change his name with the name of Real's president :
"The Afgan National Army caught Osama bin Laden. The American government offered 25M for him. Calderon offered 30M"
:devf:
Arildonardo
10-08-2007, 15:27
you are right, im quite sure this is the 16 yo wonderkid picked up from eastern europe. and on the emerson front, i wonder who would ppl here rather have, emerson or motta? motta is asking his boss to be let off for free and choose club after his boss declared publicily that he does not fit in barca's plans. even if we buy him, he would be cheaper than emerson and it would be easier to deal with barca than real m. motta is younger but emerson is experienced, who would you guys rather have?
I'd rather have Motta as he's younger. None of them would be regulars anyway...
Yes, I think so.
Our team is fine as it is now.
Emerson wil be only a sub, and he is the best option from the available list of players who are for sale. He is a guarantee in serie A. (If he is fit)
Even Sacchi today said that Milan are complete as they are, but because they have some aged players it will be useful if they sign Alves OR Emerson.
I believe nobody will be offended if I trust more Sacchi's opinion, although here in MM we have more competent people. :grinser:
is our team fine?? omg??? let us forget sacchi. i m not competent as he is, of course. but saying milan is fine, as they are, is completely out of this world. let's look at our front line. ronnie and pippo are good strikers but injury prone. they r over 30's. gila is a bit out of form, though i believe that he's our best striker. pato?? he's just 18 years. he can't make any difference. may be he will, but in 3/4 years time. of course we aren't fine!!!
Warro Bantan
10-08-2007, 15:36
Emerson for me martin...more experience, same pace, less likely to get injured, and with a history of winning....need I say more? :dontkn:
:5ok:
and dont forget that our president has rejected Toni in April, because he was 100% sure that Milan will engage Sheva, ETo or Dinho in summer's transfer market.
Warro Bantan
10-08-2007, 15:39
Well Tony, to be honest, I think he must be special, special enuf for us to sign at 16...Milan, as you kno, dont do that sort of thing for "average" players...we tend to buy experience, rather than potential, unless, like Pato and Kaka, it is staring us in the face... :w209:
is our team fine?? omg??? let us forget sacchi. i m not competent as he is, of course. but saying milan is fine, as they are, is completely out of this world. let's look at our front line. ronnie and pippo are good strikers but injury prone. they r over 30's. gila is a bit out of form, though i believe that he's our best striker. pato?? he's just 18 years. he can't make any difference. may be he will, but in 3/4 years time. of course we aren't fine!!!
No, you got it wrong.
The starting XI are fine and all Milan now needs is quality on the bench. That's what he wanted to say
Between Emerson and Motta i'd chose Motta...... but only if i'm choosing what's better for Milan.
If i have to chose for my team then i pick Emo.
:grinser:
No, you got it wrong.
The starting XI are fine and all Milan now needs is quality on the bench. That's what he wanted to say
Between Emerson and Motta i'd chose Motta...... but only if i'm choosing what's better for Milan.
If i have to chose for my team then i pick Emo.
:grinser:
of course, but it seems that everyone is forgetting the department where we need most. the attacking department. aubamayeng?? omg.
emerson a benchwarmer?? well he won't come for that.
Well Tony, to be honest, I think he must be special, special enuf for us to sign at 16...Milan, as you kno, dont do that sort of thing for "average" players...we tend to buy experience, rather than potential, unless, like Pato and Kaka, it is staring us in the face... :w209:
Warro, even though he's a Milan player i would really like him to be special because i'm really in love with EE players.
But it doesn't have to be that this boy is really good. I think that Milan has a talent camp in Slovenia (they have in Croatia and they recently opened one in Macedonia) and from time to time they pick young players for their cadetti teams so it won't be that nothing is happening with these camps.
Another Slovenian was signed by Milan the same way in 2004, Sandro Bloudek. He was 17 when he came to Milan and ever since he's been loaned to 3rd division teams because he wasn't good enough even for Primavera.
You know, usually it never turns out good with these youngsters. Juventus traditionally has the best youth teams and still they rarely make it to the senior team and are being loaned all over serie A. Milan is also doing similar things.
Juve and Milan are buying talent, we rarely produce them
Mitja Novinic is atm with the Allievi Nazionali ( 2 levels behind primavera) and we'll see how will he develop. I really hope he'll be a star, but if i have to go with the odds....i'd say he'll hardly ever make it to play for any serie A team.
emerson a benchwarmer?? well he won't come for that.
Emerson has this choice :
1. Good money and bench in teams like Real, Milan, Inter
2. Lower wages and regular place in Sampdoria, Udinese, Betis
Wanted or not he'll have to get used to not being a regular starter if he wants to play for the best teams.
How much Emerson would cost us? Why did some fans say he is cheap? Apart from his price, I would welcome him but I really hope Ancelotti will still give more chances to Gourcuff compare to last season.
If I have to choose between Emerson or Motta, I absolutely will choose Emerson. Emerson is a champion, an experienced player and has more skill than Motta, IMO. For me Motta is not more than average player. He was young and had talent but not now. But yes, I would choose Motta over Brocchi. :D
Warro Bantan
10-08-2007, 16:06
Thanks for the info Tony...and I agree with you in this sense...so many players look like the "next big thing" and turn out to be only average, or sometimes, below average players.
I do hope though, as do you, that he does well.
Mitja Novinic is atm with the Allievi Nazionali ( 2 levels behind primavera) and we'll see how will he develop. I really hope he'll be a star, but if i have to go with the odds....i'd say he'll hardly ever make it to play for any serie A team.
He even doesn't play for Baretti? This is surprising me! I thought he will play for Primavera.
About young talent, I think Juve is better than Milan even they dont produce talents (buy them from small clubs). I think, Milan buy young player more rarely compare to Juve.
He even doesn't play for Baretti? This is surprising me! I thought he will play for Primavera.
Well, i don't follow these competitions for youngsters and i don't know where he will play but for now he's listed with Allievi :
http://www.acmilan.com/InfoPage.aspx?id=14297
For those who don't know how these things go :
Players from 18-20/21 play with the Primavera, although it's not a rule. Atm Milan has 6 players who are 17yo and play with Primavera. If someone's extremely talented he can be younger than 18 and still play with Primavera
Berretti are youngsters at 17 or 18. But like i said, if a youngster is extremely talented, even though he's 17 he'll find himself with Primavera
Allievi Nazionali are 15 or 16 years old kids. Usually they are 16yo, but a more talented 15 yo makes it to Allievi
Allievi Regionali "B" are kids at 15
Giovanissimi Nazionali are the 14 years olds
Giovanissimi Regionali "B" are 12/13 years olds
And then teams follow by generations.
Generation 1995
Generation 1996
Generation 1997
and the youngest ones are Pulcini who aren't older than 8
Hope it's clear ? :)
Warro Bantan
10-08-2007, 16:37
Thanks Tony, for that clarification/education....didnt know what happened below Primavera, even if I knew there were other age-classifications for teams.
To make a break: here you can send what the new fifa and fifa should include and i 5 minutes in men's paradise i will post a photograph specially for Tony, he may know her. I watched a very good game between Stuttgart and Schalke 2-2, it was 0-1 since 64' at 68' Stuttgart but at 74' the new player of Schalke from Basel made it the final 2-2, very good game with a lot of chances. Two weeks ago the satelite TV commerce the new CL games with a f...ing song which ends with Kaka, Inzaghi in the final and Paolo and Ancelotti with the trophy one after the other. So to the board of Milan behave also like champions in the tranfer market you got us frustrated.
Yeah, never heard of his Novicic guy, until we signed him (dont follow our national league at all). Dont expect much from him, he might be like Sandro Bloudek who was playing for our primavera side for a while as i know, but then i saw him playing with Lecco on our first friendly this season.
http://www.fifplay.com/ideas_fifa08/
Well, i don't follow these competitions for youngsters and i don't know where he will play but for now he's listed with Allievi :
http://www.acmilan.com/InfoPage.aspx?id=14297
Ah, there are already the lists for 2007/08 in italian.
I thought Novinic is 16 and will be 17 soon, thats why I kept thinking he will be playing for Primavera or at least for Beretti.
http://www.fifplay.com/ideas_fifa08/
How is your leg mate?
Let me give you the best idea for Fifa 08 - don't play it. Buy latest version of Pro Evolution Soccer and you'll soon forget EA Sport's franchise ever existed. The last good Fifa was '99 :)
Does anyone know which is this song after 1:57? http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=S1vbbl9IroM
Kaka--7thUCL
10-08-2007, 20:40
I don't like pro evo 07 the graphics are way to unrealistic, and I have it for x360, it's just awful graphics compared to fifa 07,but its alot more realistic when it comes to gameplay(pro evo), fifa graphics combined with this would be an EXCELLENT game :bri:
Kaka--7thUCL
10-08-2007, 20:42
How is your leg mate?
Let me give you the best idea for Fifa 08 - don't play it. Buy latest version of Pro Evolution Soccer and you'll soon forget EA Sport's franchise ever existed. The last good Fifa was '99 :)
Apart from a few fancy tricks fifa 05 matches pro evo dude.. Right now there are no good soccer games tbh, if you look for graphics (fifa 07) you get one move - side step, you look at pro evo graphis suck but when it comes to tricks/FKS etc unbeatable :)
hitmannq8
10-08-2007, 20:49
Winning Eleven beats all
thomas_h
10-08-2007, 21:42
Emerson . . . Baptista . . . Emerson . . . Baptista . . . Emerson . . . Baptista . . . Milan will get both of them
Kaka--7thUCL
10-08-2007, 21:46
Lol I'd settle for baptista and a LB or Ronaldinho, Baptista and Emerson, no way :)
Btw I got new milan shirts today both away and home since I got the 3rd kit last year :D But my home one is long sleeve :O
Looks like that all the players being targeted for Milan were all Brasilians. If Milan sign Emerson or Baptista the Milan will have 8 Brasilians, if both of them then becomes 9 Brasilians. If added with Motta then become 10. Are we following Merda with their Argentinians??
Isn't there any player out of Brasil being eyed by Milan's management?
This is really strange...within shortly Carletto has to learn Portuguese language :grinser:
Blacktop
10-08-2007, 23:56
Emerson . . . Baptista . . . Emerson . . . Baptista . . . Emerson . . . Baptista . . . Milan will get both of them
Both will be as useful to us as a square peg in a round hole.
thomas_h
11-08-2007, 00:35
hello . . .
what`s your opinion about Abate & Sammarco ? did MIlan sell them ? are they good players ? Abate is a RB, isn`t he ? What about Sammarco ?
what about Samuele Dalla Bona ( Napoli ), Marzoratti & Pozzi & Antonini ( Empoli ) ? what`re their status ?
Thx
Kaka--7thUCL
11-08-2007, 00:57
lol bmw
Anyhoo, I don't know why Berlu doesn't just offer a big amount of money for r10 -- infact an unrejectable amount, that would also work :) I mean whats a man of his age to do with like 20 billion dollars?
So all of you prefer Emerson and JB instead of Sneijder and Van de Vaart... OUTSTANDING...!
Blacktop
11-08-2007, 01:52
So all of you prefer Emerson and JB instead of Sneijder and Van de Vaart... OUTSTANDING...!
Hey, speak for yourself, bucko. :)
i think we were separated to 2 groups couple of pages back - football fans want to see some perspective player to develop milan aka sneider or vdv, football experts want emerson because he is the best for the role, nevermind his destroying and ugly play. And because emerson will be cheap.
Looks like that all the players being targeted for Milan were all Brasilians. If Milan sign Emerson or Baptista the Milan will have 8 Brasilians, if both of them then becomes 9 Brasilians. If added with Motta then become 10. Are we following Merda with their Argentinians??
Isn't there any player out of Brasil being eyed by Milan's management?
This is really strange...within shortly Carletto has to learn Portuguese language :grinser:
we need brazilians to replace brazilians. Cafu and serginho are both on their last legs, Dida and ronaldo to follow soon so leaving us with kaka and pato, kaka's brother is never going to play for us anyway. so in 2 years or so, we are going to have only 2-3 brazilians left. We are buying brazilians to keep kaka and pato company. :grinser:
thomas_h
11-08-2007, 03:42
Aspettando Ronaldinho tra un anno, il Milan cerca un centrocampista. Galliani promette di prendere chi costa meno tra i brasiliani 31enne Emerson del Real Madrid e Thiago Motta del Barcellona, 24 anni.
(Gazzetta dello Sport)
hello . . .
what`s your opinion about Abate & Sammarco ? did MIlan sell them ? are they good players ? Abate is a RB, isn`t he ? What about Sammarco ?
what about Samuele Dalla Bona ( Napoli ), Marzoratti & Pozzi & Antonini ( Empoli ) ? what`re their status ?
Thx
Egoistka
11-08-2007, 04:22
I dont know if you are aware of that...maybe I ll repeat something that was already written on the forum before...
According to Gazzetta Dello Sport Milan has bought Kaka's brother Digao. He is a central defender from Rimini. I guess that was a strategic move to keep Kaka in Milan...Quite smart.
Blacktop
11-08-2007, 04:48
we need brazilians to replace brazilians. in 2 years or so, we are going to have only 2-3 brazilians left.
Why do we need Brazilians on the team, anyway? Keep in mind, the last two we signed went bust.
Why do we need Brazilians on the team, anyway? Keep in mind, the last two we signed went bust.
Why don't we need Brasilian?
@Oldman
Don't only count how many brasilian players Milan and argentinian players have but the most important thing, count how many ITALIANS
Kakà: 'Real ora basta, io sono del Milan' [U]
09:01 del 11 agosto
Dopo la sconfitta in amichevole col Betis di Cuper, il brasiliano Kakà prende posizione sul proprio futuro e chiude la porta al Real Madrid: "Ora basta, sono del Milan e non mi muovo".
(La Repubblica)
Why do we need Brazilians on the team, anyway?
Why don't we need Brasilian?
@Oldman
Don't only count how many brasilian players Milan have and argentinian players Inter have but the most important thing, count how many ITALIANS play for those teams especially for the starting line-up. Just a small example : There were 5 Italian played in CL 07's final (Maldini, Nesta, Ambrossini, Gattuso, Inzaghi).
I do like more brasilian compare argentinian with regard to skill/ability, behaviour/mentality and compability to the tactic which mixing italians and brasilians. Brasilian are the 'Queen' of attractive, offensive and beautiful football-play and Italian are the 'King' of Catenaccio. If someone knows HOW to unite the Queen and the King, you only need to see is if they will play better than Milan 03-07. :grinser:
at last!!! THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT NEWS THAT I VE HEARD THIS SUMMER!!!
I'm sorry, I pressed the wrong button and made 2 similar posts.
Why do we need Brazilians on the team, anyway? Keep in mind, the last two we signed went bust.
indeed. let's get rid of some of them. you know who i'm talking about :grinser:
Kakà: 'Real ora basta, io sono del Milan' [U]
09:01 del 11 agosto
Dopo la sconfitta in amichevole col Betis di Cuper, il brasiliano Kakà prende posizione sul proprio futuro e chiude la porta al Real Madrid: "Ora basta, sono del Milan e non mi muovo".
(La Repubblica)
What does this mean? please translate it!
What does this mean? please translate it!
Basically it says Kaka tells Real to back off, he is staying with Milan.
Apart from a few fancy tricks fifa 05 matches pro evo dude.. Right now there are no good soccer games tbh, if you look for graphics (fifa 07) you get one move - side step, you look at pro evo graphis suck but when it comes to tricks/FKS etc unbeatable :)
An important issue for me will be which leagues will include.... :5ok: .
How is your leg mate?
Let me give you the best idea for Fifa 08 - don't play it. Buy latest version of Pro Evolution Soccer and you'll soon forget EA Sport's franchise ever existed. The last good Fifa was '99 :)
Thanks a lot Sti for your interest. I ahe 5 days that i started walking without helping sticks, i still have one of the three rows of needles and the joint above the ankle is big , so whenever i use stairs the joint becomes worser and i cannot walk outside my home. I have have the 60% of the power of the right leg and i cannot wear a sock or a shoe because again of the joint where they break in. So It's better but i got tired, i made the surgery at the 27th of June, my permission in job ends at 20 of August.... :987:
What does this mean? please translate it!
Kaka said that he is a Milan player and wants to remain. Real, that's enough. I don't wanna come.
i think we were separated to 2 groups couple of pages back - football fans want to see some perspective player to develop milan aka sneider or vdv, football experts want emerson because he is the best for the role, nevermind his destroying and ugly play. And because emerson will be cheap.
There was never such a separation.
There was only wishful thinking vs more realistic view at things.
1. First thing some of you must understand is that players won't kill just to play for the euro champion, even if they find themselves on the bench.
Abidal rejected you, Tiago rejected you
2. You must remember Tiago case. Milan offered more money to Lyon and probably more money even to Tiago and still he rejected Milan and accepted the offer from a club that won't play in Europe this year and maybe not in next year also.
Why was that ? You probably already know why. With Pirlo and Gattuso, Tiago would have never been a regular starter in Milan while in Juve he's irreplaceable.
3. Now, VDV.
Rafael VdV is not useful on the flanks. Actually, he's useless there. The only place where he works perfectly is already taken in Milan by 25yo best player in the world.
In order to play VdV in Milan you'll either have to bench Gilardino, who costs 40m euro (wages included) and Seedorf (another one with high wages) and still VdV won't be effective because he won't play in his best position.
If you buy him and put him on the bench then you're paying again 40m euro (wages included) for a bench player, who'll get more and more frustated for sitting on the bench. Automatically you're losing 50% of what you've payed because not many teams would like to pay money for him anymore and yet you'll get a request for transfer out of the club because he won't like to sit on the bench.
It's same/similar with Sneijder.
4. I doubt anyone wants Emerson more than VdV, Milan's board included. But i guarantee you they gave it a lot of thought when they decided to buy Emerson and not VdV.
Guys, why is it so hard for you to see what's happening ? :irritate:
Kaka--7thUCL
11-08-2007, 10:59
Ehm I get what your saying, good post, but whos vdv :O
Piscinin
11-08-2007, 11:00
That is because they play too much of those football management games and fail to separate reality from fantasy. Fantasy says RVN, Ronaldo, Ibrahimovic and Eto'o should fight for two spots in attack. Reality says they will not be willing to do so.
Ehm I get what your saying, good post, but whos vdv :O
:grinser:
van der Vaart = vdV
..................
You little .......... !@@#@!$
You said you're not zZzZ :notlist:
I always knew though :devf:
Kaka--7thUCL
11-08-2007, 11:37
What now I' m officialy lost, what are we talking about what mod is on a power trip?
Slow day today as far as milan transfers go :(
Hey Piscinin what is this?
**** ** ****.
For those who don't understand dot language, this means : Juve is best
zlatanov
11-08-2007, 11:59
Hey Piscinin what is this?
it means "farewell" in chinese.
now let's get back on topic guys :)
Kaka--7thUCL
11-08-2007, 12:24
lolol, good idea, MILAN NEWS?? ANY1? so slow today :/
lolol, good idea, MILAN NEWS?? ANY1? so slow today :/
Here you have todays news, not only about Milan but all the other clubs :
1. Chelsea is in chaos. Lampard didn't renew his contract and Inter are looking to block the English midfielder for the next season. Inter are also very interested in Nasri, while Recoba is getting closer to Napoli even though Moratti would like to keep him
2. Juve is pushing for defenders and the ones closest to Juve are two young talents. The first one is, according to many, especially Guus Hidink, the best young defender in the world, Branislav Ivanovic from Lokomotiv Moscow, and the second one is Zapata from Udinese.
3. Barcelona made it clear to Gudjohnsen that there will not be much space for him this year. They would like to keep him but if he wants playing time he'll have to look for it elsewhere
4. Due to the asking price by Villareal, Riquelme won't go to Boca this year but he promised he'll wear their jersey from 2009 when his contract with Villareal ends. But until 2009 he'll probably stay in Europe and it's Inter that are closest to him, especially if they lose Emerson to Milan.
5. Chelsea are still playing hard to get and they are making things harder for Real. They want to get as much possible for Robben and the deal is not done yet.
Mourinho talked about Dany Alves : "We will make a reasonable offer to Sevilla, we won't overpay. If they accept then we'll be happy to have Danny Alves.
6. Galliani said Milan will buy the less expensive one between Emerson and Motta (Gazzetta)
7. Ajax accepted 25m offer from Real for Sneijder. Personal details are the only thing left and Sneijder will join Real.
8. The trident Henry-Eto'o-Ronaldinho is working perfectly for now. Yesterday all of them scored a goal in Hong Kong.
It works great this way but what will happen when Messi will also be available ?
Az Alkmaar Inter 2-1 4-1 - - (52)ari :grinser: :grinser: :grinser:
Why do we need Brazilians on the team, anyway? Keep in mind, the last two we signed went bust.
Anybody ever told you you got no sense of humor at all? :grinser:
Az Alkmaar Inter 2-1 4-1 - - (52)ari :grinser: :grinser: :grinser:
It's 4:2 now
INTER: Julio Cesar; Rivas, Samuel, Materazzi, Maxwell; Dacourt, Vieira, Stankovic, Figo; Ibrahimovic, Suazo
This was their line-up. More or less the best team they have.....and Inter fans made fun of Milan for drawing with PSV even though you had most of the regulars in the team :grinser:
Blacktop
11-08-2007, 14:03
Anyone smell another early CL exit for Merda this season? :D
Here you have todays news, not only about Milan but all the other clubs :
1. Chelsea is in chaos. Lampard didn't renew his contract and Inter are looking to block the English midfielder for the next season. Inter are also very interested in Nasri, while Recoba is getting closer to Napoli even though Moratti would like to keep him
2. Juve is pushing for defenders and the ones closest to Juve are two young talents. The first one is, according to many, especially Guus Hidink, the best young defender in the world, Branislav Ivanovic from Lokomotiv Moscow, and the second one is Zapata from Udinese.
3. Barcelona made it clear to Gudjohnsen that there will not be much space for him this year. They would like to keep him but if he wants playing time he'll have to look for it elsewhere
4. Due to the asking price by Villareal, Riquelme won't go to Boca this year but he promised he'll wear their jersey from 2009 when his contract with Villareal ends. But until 2009 he'll probably stay in Europe and it's Inter that are closest to him, especially if they lose Emerson to Milan.
5. Chelsea are still playing hard to get and they are making things harder for Real. They want to get as much possible for Robben and the deal is not done yet.
Mourinho talked about Dany Alves : "We will make a reasonable offer to Sevilla, we won't overpay. If they accept then we'll be happy to have Danny Alves.
6. Galliani said Milan will buy the less expensive one between Emerson and Motta (Gazzetta)
7. Ajax accepted 25m offer from Real for Sneijder. Personal details are the only thing left and Sneijder will join Real.
8. The trident Henry-Eto'o-Ronaldinho is working perfectly for now. Yesterday all of them scored a goal in Hong Kong.
It works great this way but what will happen when Messi will also be available ?
Thx for the bad news Tony !!! :mad: :grinser:
:'(
Anyone smell another early CL exit for Merda this season?
As usual eh? :haha:
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=452066&cc=5739
Looks like Real won't be getting Sneijder after all . Even though it was reported everywhere that the deal is done now we have this !
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=452066&cc=5739
Looks like Real won't be getting Sneijder after all . Even though it was reported everywhere that the deal is done now we have this !
Galliani please got and get him, he is the ideal for Seedorfs place, he also can play some games in position of Pirlo.... :5ok:
So fellows what we need and we are talking so much time about it, 3 to 4 players.
One LB because Janku is LM not back see the first half against Liverpool in the CL final
Maybe a young defender to be "teached" by Maldini and after il Capitano retirement to take his place.
a Midfield who with Gourcuff (to whom i believe a lot) and others to have great roation.
and a Very good Stiker because the most of ones having they are not fit all the time.
I didn't ask for Dinho, Terry, Van de Vaart, Alex and other players to take only for having a lot of tranfers lik football manager....
Galliani please got and get him, he is the ideal for Seedorfs place, he also can play some games in position of Pirlo.... :5ok:
WHoever wants Sneijder will have to pay good and be very fast.
If Ajax rejected ~25m from Real it means that they probably won't let him go for less than 30.
Ajax will play their CL match on Wednesday (in 4 days) . If Sneijder is in the team then he won't be able to play for any other team in CL, at least not until February and if Ajax won't pass the group.
Az Alkmaar Inter 2-1 4-1 - - (52)ari :grinser: :grinser: :grinser:
Talking about this game this guy Simon Cziommer was number 10 in field was amazing first time I saw him playing maybe some could tell us something more about him
ACMILAN1983
11-08-2007, 18:15
Why do we need Brazilians on the team, anyway? Keep in mind, the last two we signed went bust.
The last two? Pato and Ronaldo? :D
I can only assume you meant R99 and Oliveira. Oli was a bust, but I don't think Ronaldo can be called that in any shape or form.
The last two? Pato and Ronaldo? :D
I can only assume you meant R99 and Oliveira. Oli was a bust, but I don't think Ronaldo can be called that in any shape or form.
I think she meant RO and Amoroso and she "accidently" forgot Pato and Ronaldo :grinser:
Why do we need Brazilians on the team, anyway? Keep in mind, the last two we signed went bust.
:wth: the last two Brazilians were Pato :wth: and RONALDO :wth: :wth: :eekani:
I am assuming that you meant Amoroso and Olivera :nunu:
The last two? Pato and Ronaldo? :D
I can only assume you meant R99 and Oliveira. Oli was a bust, but I don't think Ronaldo can be called that in any shape or form.
In other news Ronaldo does have a huge bust :zany: But I prefer to have Carlo's take on it :D ....you know it's all muscle :haha:
So fellows what we need and we are talking so much time about it, 3 to 4 players.
One LB because Janku is LM not back see the first half against Liverpool in the CL final
Maybe a young defender to be "teached" by Maldini and after il Capitano retirement to take his place.
a Midfield who with Gourcuff (to whom i believe a lot) and others to have great roation.
and a Very good Stiker because the most of ones having they are not fit all the time.
I didn't ask for Dinho, Terry, Van de Vaart, Alex and other players to take only for having a lot of tranfers lik football manager....
I was wondering if I was the only one that noticed we needed at least 3-4 players. i wud have been satisfied with cassano, cannavaro/ zapata, zambrotta, and motta/emerson. However, it looks like after we buy emerson and this "Mr.X" we are done. Also, Barca has stated that they are not letting go of Motta so in all probability emerson will be here next week.
Maurizio
12-08-2007, 00:50
We should get Daniel Alves.
Graeme C
12-08-2007, 03:06
Di Natale is on his way out of udinese (Channel4). He is better than no-one and not a bad 4th choice striker.
Graeme C
12-08-2007, 03:07
I was wondering if I was the only one that noticed we needed at least 3-4 players. i wud have been satisfied with cassano, cannavaro/ zapata, zambrotta, and motta/emerson. However, it looks like after we buy emerson and this "Mr.X" we are done. Also, Barca has stated that they are not letting go of Motta so in all probability emerson will be here next week.
Pato was Mr X. I too would have been happy with Cannavaro, Cassano and Zambrotta. Still time..
slicknick
12-08-2007, 04:02
WHoever wants Sneijder will have to pay good and be very fast.
If Ajax rejected ~25m from Real it means that they probably won't let him go for less than 30.
Ajax will play their CL match on Wednesday (in 4 days) . If Sneijder is in the team then he won't be able to play for any other team in CL, at least not until February and if Ajax won't pass the group.
Basically....Though I would love to see him, it's too unrealistic of a thought to go for him.... He's expensive and we have to snap him before Wednesday, meaning that we do not have a second to waste if we want to get him... DAMN !!!! :cry:
slicknick
12-08-2007, 04:03
We should get Daniel Alves.
That would be great !!! Though we can also get Amaral from Palmeiras as a very fast, young and solid winger
Graeme C
12-08-2007, 08:55
chelsea are supposed to be after Quaresma, if they do.. do you think it would increase the chances of Sheva leaving?
Basically....Though I would love to see him, it's too unrealistic of a thought to go for him.... He's expensive and we have to snap him before Wednesday, meaning that we do not have a second to waste if we want to get him... DAMN !!!! :cry:
If we REALLY want him, we had got him last year, or even 2 years ago when his price was quite low. But we don't want him anymore I think.
chelsea are supposed to be after Quaresma, if they do.. do you think it would increase the chances of Sheva leaving?
Maybe they are after him cuz they want to find a replacement for Robben , btw is Robben-Real a done deal ?
Maybe they are after him cuz they want to find a replacement for Robben , btw is Robben-Real a done deal ?
Not yet. It seemed like a done deal but now Chelsea is asking for more money !\
Todays news :
1. According to Marca, Milan is ready to offer 4m euro for Thiago Motta
2. "News of the World" wrote that Matteo Ferrari from Roma is the next one on Eriksson's list
3. Edmilson said " I made a deal with Milan and we agreed about everything. I was about to sign a 2 years contract with them and all that was left was Barcelona to say Yes for this transfer. But at the time my physical condition was very bad and i couldn't have gone to Milano like that. I called Leonardo and told him this. That's why the transfer never happened"
4. According to Spanish press, it's only a matter of time and Cicinho will be a Romanista
5. There is a "war" between Chelsea and Real for Quaresma but the player himself says "I'll stay in Porto"
That's it for now.
Hmmmmm very slow day, what surprised me was Pizarro in Chelsea today he was pretty good. Fans are saying Pizarro is the type of player they wanted when they got Sheva, I cant see this guy being dropped it will always be Drogba and him upfront.
Lets just wait and see what Sheva will do, some one should mark 31st of August on his calendar.
Kaka--7thUCL
12-08-2007, 11:49
Looks like we're very close to a loan deal with a permanent deal at the end and it's said to be 1.4m but milan are yet to approach Real, are we still after R10? Motta? Rosicky :S?
Medellin -- as much as I agree with you and as much hope regained of sheva coming back, well for some of us, I doubt he'll leave, what I'm concerned about though is our attack.
Forget Sheva, Pato took our non-EU spot. I don't know if I was more happy because we captured the wonderkid, or because it meant no Shevchelski in Milan.
thomas_h
12-08-2007, 13:23
so . . . are we going to buy motta & get emerson on loan ? what about a forward ?
Graeme C
12-08-2007, 13:30
Forget Sheva, Pato took our non-EU spot. I don't know if I was more happy because we captured the wonderkid, or because it meant no Shevchelski in Milan.
yeah i know, i doubt he will be comming back. But can he apply for a italian passport?
so . . . are we going to buy motta & get emerson on loan ? what about a forward ?
I don't think we are going to get both of them.
It's Motta for 4mil or Emerson on loan + option to buy.
Well I don't think we'll sign another striker because :
1.Low availability, ain't to many strikers who are prepared to leave their current club for us AND fit our profile.
2.We've already spent money on Pato so a higly rated superstar is most likely excluded.
Pretty funny when I re-read this, suddenly it made me realise we are doubting to buy Motta or Emerson for less than 5mil while clubs like Real,Chelsea and even our close neighbours Inter aren't looking for anything under 15mil.
You could say Milan are smart buyers but there's alot better available than these 2 midfielders.We don't even have to go abroad.Just look at the M in the alfabet : Montolivio,Mudingayi
Galliani is not only to skank to buy himself a wig but also to deliver us some goodies! :grinser: ;)
So as we've loaned Storari to Levante on a 2 year loan deal, i would hope that means we are going to bring in another keeper.
Going the whole season with just Dida & Kalac isn't safe, while Fiori just isn't really an option in my eyes. If Dida gets injured or suffers a bout of the shakes, we're left with the dodgy aussie.
Maybe we could get that Italian keeper from AEK Athens, he seemed pretty good. Boruc might be an option also.
So as we've loaned Storari to Levante on a 2 year loan deal, i would hope that means we are going to bring in another keeper.
Going the whole season with just Dida & Kalac isn't safe, while Fiori just isn't really an option in my eyes. If Dida gets injured or suffers a bout of the shakes, we're left with the dodgy aussie.
Maybe we could get that Italian keeper from AEK Athens, he seemed pretty good. Boruc might be an option also.
Dream on my friend. :(
For some reason the management has faith in Kalac. :rolleyes:
hitmannq8
12-08-2007, 13:56
Now is the ideal time for our management to strike a deal with any striker if they intend on making it a surprise, because right now I dont think any Milan fan is expecting a big-name striker in attack in these few days. Let's see what happens.
King tiger
12-08-2007, 14:00
Maybe we could get that Italian keeper from AEK Athens, he seemed pretty good. Boruc might be an option also.
Sorentino :D
thomas_h
12-08-2007, 14:15
Storari to Levante ???? 2 years ????
Oh no . . . Dida ( 34 yrs old ) & Kalac ( almost 35 yrs old ) -> maybe we`re going to promote Facchin or Offredi from the Primavera
I hope Mr Galliani & Mr Braida will surprise us in the next two weeks
I wonder why did yyhey loan him? He was better than Kalac! I like him! I think it`s a wrong step by Milan Management....
ACMILAN1983
12-08-2007, 15:07
I think she meant RO and Amoroso and she "accidently" forgot Pato and Ronaldo :grinser:
I don't really consider Amoroso a bust either tbh. He was a 4th choice striker that was never really called on.
Sorentino :D
That'll be the one!
Im back homeeeee!!!!!!!! Nice to be back regulary, but toooooooo bad I left the sea side :(
How are you guys? Tony I see you have new avatar, what happened? And did you see how good our new national team player Rakitic is, only 19 and plays superb! Nice to see that!
Motta and Emerson can both help us a lot, and Im up for bringing another midfielder in our side. But from these two i would choose Motta as the man is only 25 and is actually a great player when he is fit. Motta can provide us with 5 more years of top football, evendough he will not be in starting lineup. Or maybe he could, who knows...
Now Im off too see some Pato moves on youtube, see you later!
Im back homeeeee!!!!!!!! Nice to be back regulary, but toooooooo bad I left the sea side :(
Welcome, welcome
We missed you lately. The atmosphere here was too optimistic for my liking. :grinser:
How are you guys? Tony I see you have new avatar, what happened?
Nothing much, Nostalgia
And did you see how good our new national team player Rakitic is, only 19 and plays superb! Nice to see that!
Don't tell me, please. In Juventuz we had a topic about the kid and we all thought the deal is done because Gazzetta reported Juve signed him for 2m euro (although, most of the members moaned how we don't need average anonimous youngsters) , but then he signed for Schalke.
I'm happy he chose Croatia and not Switzerland. :5ok:
Blacktop
12-08-2007, 16:43
So as we've loaned Storari to Levante on a 2 year loan deal, i would hope that means we are going to bring in another keeper.
Going the whole season with just Dida & Kalac isn't safe, while Fiori just isn't really an option in my eyes. If Dida gets injured or suffers a bout of the shakes, we're left with the dodgy aussie.
Maybe we could get that Italian keeper from AEK Athens, he seemed pretty good. Boruc might be an option also.
Bringing Boruc aboard from his lofty perch at Celtic to have his butt molded to the Milan bench simply isn't feasible and won't happen in a million years.
Either way, bad choice to ditch Storari and not Kalac (or to resign the latter in the first place). I'd like to believe that management shipped Storari out because they considered him too much of a talent to sit on the bench, even though he didn't show that with us. Kalac in contrast is pretty much a stooge who knows not to expect miracles and doesn't mind sitting.
1. Michael Essien has sustained a knee ligament injury and he may miss the rest of the summer and even autumn.
Who do you think they'll buy now only to replace Essien in the next 5 or 6 rounds ? :)
2. ManUtd also lost Rooney for the next 5 or 6 weeks. He has hairline fracture in left foot.
3. According to "AS" , Riquelme will play in Atletiko Madrid next season. Still, the Milano teams are following the situation. Inter is very interested while Milan may turn their attention to Riquelme if they won't succeed getting one of Motta-Emerson.
4. Inzaghi is finally 100% fit and he started normal trainings today
5. Arsenal are ready to offer 4.5m euro for the young French attacker, Yoan Gouffran ( yes, i know, this name tricked me like it tricked you)
6. Lyon is after a defender. The one closest to them for now is Lillian Thuram but they have other options : Silvestre (Manchester United), Boumsong (Juventus), Simic (Milan) and Luizao (Benfica)
*Please, please, please let it be the Juve guy :)
7. Fiorentina is following with great interest, Lennon from Tot'ham. The players price is pretty high, 25m euro.
That's it from the last 7 hours !
So Fiorentina have switched from Quaresma to Lennon? hahaha ... they have no chance of getting either.
Here's a thought BMW, maybe Boruc could challenge Dida for the starting position!!!! My goodness, what a concept :eek:
OFFICIAL NEW TRANSFER !!!!
:irritate:
Sneijder to Real
27Mil € , this time it's true.
And we're about to sign Emerson.. :haha:
Edit : Am I the only one who finds this frustrating? :5ok:
zlatanov
12-08-2007, 18:13
OFFICIAL NEW TRANSFER !!!!
:irritate:
Sneijder to Real
27Mil € , this time it's true.
And we're about to sign Emerson.. :haha:
Edit : Am I the only one who finds this frustrating? :5ok:
no, but at the end of the season even you won't be the among the ones who think Real is making the better transfer ... and btw, just for the record, we are not signing Emerson :p155: :grinser:
Lot's of people we'll be jumping off the Sneijder train in several months time and seats on that one will be as cheap and available as Robinho's, Gago's, Higuain's and by the look of things, Robben's too ... did I miss someone else? :D
btw, this same guy, just a month ago was available for less than 15 mil and Valencia refused him in the end ... some deal by Real M, simply fantastic :rolleyes: :diablo:
no, but at the end of the season even you won't be the among the ones who think Real is making the better transfer ... and btw, just for the record, we are not signing Emerson :p155: :grinser:
Lot's of people we'll be jumping off the Sneijder train in several months time and seats on that one will be as cheap and available as Robinho's, Gago's, Higuain's and by the look of things, Robben's too ... did I miss someone else? :D
btw, this same guy, just a month ago was available for less than 15 mil and Valencia refused him in the end ... some deal by Real M, simply fantastic :rolleyes: :diablo:
I personally think Real has had a terrible transferperiod, 30 mil for Pepe :haha:, .. they have overpayed on every transfer they have made so far.
But it's not that, you are misunderstanding me, I just find it frustrating to see all the good players leave for big clubs and we're staying behind with Motta and Emerson.It's almost amusing. :)
Not that they are that terrible but Galliani keeps whining about how we'll only sign someone who can contribute further to the team..like Motta or Emerson will do that?
Oh well, last year I was able to understand our lack of signing a descent player because of the calciopoli but I expect(ed) something big this time.
zlatanov
12-08-2007, 19:03
I personally think Real has had a terrible transferperiod, 30 mil for Pepe :haha:, .. they have overpayed on every transfer they have made so far.
But it's not that, you are misunderstanding me, I just find it frustrating to see all the good players leave for big clubs and we're staying behind with Motta and Emerson.It's almost amusing. :)
Not that they are that terrible but Galliani keeps whining about how we'll only sign someone who can contribute further to the team..like Motta or Emerson will do that?
Oh well, last year I was able to understand our lack of signing a descent player because of the calciopoli but I expect(ed) something big this time.
no, thrust, I am not misunderstanding you at all as we all have that fan-mentality in us - the more costly and hyped a player is, the better he must be.
The point of a successful and good transfer campaign is not to gather the most attantion in the press and splash out the most money but get the right players who you belive can contribute to your team and no where it is written that a cheap buy - there are certain circumstances why players like Motta and Emerson are cheap and that's not necessarily lack of quality/ability - will not turn out to be a better move than some fancy multi-million transfer.
Galliani, and that means Silvio too 'cause Galliani will never go out on a limb and promise a big purchase if Silvio wasn't in the game too, have spoken a lot about binging in a world class player but the thing is that the real targets for whom Milan was willing to open the bank, the real proven players were not available, at least not this summer ;).
Milan would never go out and pay 27 mil for a player like Sneijder, who they didn't seem very keen on even when he could have been bought for 10 mil - and even less - just a year ago.
After all who is Sneijder? What has he done other than impress against teams like Groningen and Twente in the Dutch League and the occasional good game in CL, which took place so long ago that he probably doesn't remember it?
Fans don't like asking themselves many questions 'cause it is so much easier to just go with the flow aka hype of the media and blend in with the main mass of one opinion prevailing around - Sneijder is a super-player.
But is he? If you have followed well his career, you'd have noticed that apart from being a giften player, he is very inconsistent in his performances and most of the time fails to appear vs big opposition ... not to mention the injury problems he's had.
Sneijder appeared on the scene around 5 years ago when he was 18 yo and dubbed the next big thing out of the Ajax program. At first, the reason for his staying at Ajax was explained by him being too young and whatnot and him needing time to mature etc, etc, etc.
So far so good, the problem is however that for these 5 years - he is 23 now - he hasn't developed one bit and is still doing pretty much the same stuff he was doing when he was just a super-promising youngster. What has he done with Ajax, or the NT for that matter for these 5 years? When did he impress at the level of football that Milan is used to playing - the type of football Emerson and even a 24 yo Motta have been playing for a while now and have won virtually everything there is to win in it?
The problem with Sneijder is that he never took that jump from being a good player/prospect to a difference maker ... and sorry but the super displays vs De Graafshap and the likes don't count here. That's why he stayed at Ajax for so long with European clubs only being "interested in him" or "closely following him" for 5 years now.
If he was the type of player who was worth 27 mil, that guy would have forgotten by now that he was ever part of the Ajax program as a number of big clubs would have gotten to him for these 5 years.
And what happened in the end in order for Sneijder to move away from his safe-nest at Ajax where his stardom status was so comfortably handed to him day after day, a club run by half-witts had to come buy and offer 24/25 mil for a player who, as mentioned, was refused by Valencia for 14 mil or so barely a month ago ... not only that but Ajax upped the ante to 30 mil.
Yesterday, Tony, posted that the transfer looked likely NOT to go thru - that's what the media was reporting anyway - and I would have replied to it that Ajax and Real M were just showing off balls but in the end all would go thru just fine but didn't feel like typing ...
Why did I think it would go thru? Well, it was pretty obvious really - Ajax were well aware that there was no chance in hell or paradise they could get even 24 mil for Sneijder from another club other than the mighty Real M, so it made no sense for them to miss on a chance of a lifetime and not let the player go for about twice as much as they would have gotten for him just a month ago ... of course, they let him go only after applying some refined milking techniques to the duffus duo Calderon-Mijatovic.
Not sure if the news of Sneijder's acquisition is official as I heard it from you first - after all, the last thing I would trust is a piece of news coming out of Marca or AS - but I am absolutely sure it will be done in the end.
All in all, I see Sneijder as a promising player who might have a chance of making it Spain, less so in Italy, but far from the sure thing most people see in him ... IMO, despite all the time he's been around, he is an unproven a player and nowhere near being a "champion" or a player who is worth such an investment ... after all, for some time many clubs didn't wanna go with him for half of what real M is paying now.
And once Robben moves to Real too, I'd love to hear the new song J. Baptista would be playing on his clarinet :grinser:
P.S. I guess the post turned out to be just a little longer than intended :diablo:
Actually, Sneijder's last year was top class, Zlat. And his performances in the last season are the biggest reason for the big interest and increase of his price. He scored like 20 goals and was alpha&omega for his team.
Yes, it's Ajax and yes, it's only eredivisie and it shouldn't mean much. But history does say that the best players in Dutch league are always hipper expensive but almost always turn out to be gold.
I have a feeling you dislike Real as a team a lot (do you ? :) ) because you're a huge critic of them and you're always happy when they make a bad result. But they are just following a trend Zlat. Trend that gave many tittles to many teams. It all started with Berlusconi, then Perez, then Roman and now Calderon.
I totally agree with you that what Real does is nothing else but stupidly overpaying. But if it brings results then i don't see what's wrong here, especially if it's one man that has the money and spends his money.
Also, i don't understand your list of Real failures.
Real payed for inexperienced and hyped Robinho almost 22m euro. If one man is giving his money and Robinho's purchase won't affect the other activities in the market that may influence badly on the team, then i see nothing wrong in Robinho and i don't see him at all as a bad traansfer.
And if you think about it..... The boy came from Brazil at 21. He had a bad season, yes. In his second season he was one of the biggest, together with Becks and RvN, the biggest reason for Real's great results at the end of the season. Then he had a fantastic Coppa America.
Now he's matured, with more experience, accustomed at life in Europe and full with confidence after his great displays helped Real and Brazil to win trophies.
Why do you say he is a failure ?
And Gago....seriously Zlat, what did you expect from a very young Defensive midfielder ? To become Redondo after only one season ?
You're judging players (and may i say, only players of other teams, never of Milan) way too early. Young players are bought for the future mostly, no one expects them to turn the world around after their first season, no matter if huge money were payed for them.
Didn't CR7 have a bad first season and equaly bad second season ?
It's all good to find a player and buy him for peanuts and then this player to be the best in the world. But Zidane and Kaka don't happen every day. Today, you must pay expensive to get the talented youngsters ( see Pato, see CR7, see Ronaldinho).
Sometimes you hit the jem with Kaka and Pirlo , sometimes you get burned and spend ~90m euro on Rui Costa, Gilardino and Oliveira, but it doesn't mean that if Milan got burned when they over-payed for the youngster Gilardino they now shouldn't over-pay for some other talented youngster.
And as you could see, you again decided to take a risk and spend ~40m euro in the next 5 years for Pato.
What Milan did with Gila and Pato, Real did with Robinho and Sneijder. I don't see why we should criticize only one of them here.
Blacktop
12-08-2007, 19:37
Heck, look at Inter...they spent enough money in the transfer market to get waxed by AZ Alkmaar yesterday. :)
hitmannq8
12-08-2007, 19:50
Tony, Gila prove himself to be a leader for two seasons in a row in a relatively weak team. He deserved the price tag he had, but Robinho's tricks and nice goals is what got him all the comparisons and made his price tag higher. Sneijder did not have a great season but he had one better than his previous ones. He is a very inconsistent player and I feel that he will not succeed at Real. Sneijder and Torres were two players Milan were after but chose not to go after.
zlatanov
12-08-2007, 20:09
I think you are forgetting my posts on Pato, Tony, and the rather cautious optimism I have for him ;)
and yes, clubs today have to pay dearly for the talanted youngsters but why is that? ... because those youngsters are worth the investment and will bring trophies and success to that club or is it becasue those same clubs have fallen victim to the mechanichs of the market and rather hope than know for sure that the investment will turn out tobe a good one.
Gilardino was a different type of risk taken by Milan as he was player proven already in Italy and wasn't coming from another championship ... he had a very good 1st season with Milan as for the second, there are whole bunch of off-the-field reasons why his and Milan's second season was surrounded by some pretty "interesting" circumstances ... but as I said, you should remember my opinion on Pato and the money Milan paid for him.
All in all, here we are talking about getting a proven player, a champion who has had nothing but success in Italy - and getting him for cheap - over getting a youngster who has done squat on the big scene for the past 2-3 years once his status of a "promising" youngster was no longer applicable to him and couldn't shield him from the average performances ... that's what the original issue was.
true, one of them is 31 yo, the other 23 ... but we all saw what happens when a team of experienced has beens (or so they were branded) met a team with several young superstars bursting with energy and skill and whatever, and yes, CR7 was one of them ... and btw, who said CR7 was a player worthy of Milan or he would be more useful to milan than a has-been "wild boar" like Emerson? ... Because here the issue is "strengthening" the team on the field, not on paper after you have splashed 100 mil in the transfer period for mights and might-nots.
And yes, Milan is buying youngsters like Gila nad now Pato but do you see them form the spine of the team? ... Do you see them be the players Milan relies on when the big moment comes?
No, because along with players like Gila and Pato, there has always been the Inzaghi's and Sheva's and Ronaldo's and Seedorf's and Maldini's and nesta's to step in and take matters into their own hands namely because you can't expect it from all the Gago's and Robinho's in the world, at least not for sure ... in your dreams yes, but a young player rarely turns out to be worth the trust put into him when push comes to shove.
When I mentioned them, I didn't necessarily mean that they are failures as in "failed for the rest of their careers" and that they can't one day get back on track at Real or another club, maybe ... however, let's not forget why Real paid the money they did for those players - to step in the first 11 and deliver NOW, not 5 years later - this isn't Anderlech or Fiorentina, but Real M/Milan after all - so in that sense, they were/are failures, maybe not complete but definitely what they have provided is far from what was expected from them (I am sure you noticed the unwillingness of Capello to start Gago over Emerson as sonn as the Argentinian arrived at Real M - I guess Calderon and Co did want the new Redondo to shine immediately) ... and the shift in media attention those players got before and after their arrival at Real M, pretty much sums it all up.
As for Robinho, a player as ineffective as him cannot be concealed by a couple of scored PKs at a second-hand CA against the likes of Chile and co ... let's wait and see how he faires from now on in Spain and CL (which would still leave the question would he be any good in Italy vs teams like Milan, Inter, Juve).
Tony, Gila prove himself to be a leader for two seasons in a row in a relatively weak team. He deserved the price tag he had, but Robinho's tricks and nice goals is what got him all the comparisons and made his price tag higher. Sneijder did not have a great season but he had one better than his previous ones. He is a very inconsistent player and I feel that he will not succeed at Real. Sneijder and Torres were two players Milan were after but chose not to go after.
I'm not a huge fan of Sneijder either hitman, but honestly, i didn't watch him at all apert from the matches with his NT.
27m euro is really over-paying, i totally agree, but i really don't understand Zlat's confidence when he said that Sneijder will fail in Real ( he used different words, but he obviously meant that).
I'm forced to use numbers and read about Sneijder, so i may be wrong and Zlat could be right because he watched him more than i did.
But numbers really don't give a bad picture of Sneijder.
I read that he's Van Basten's favorite and MvB can't even imagine his team without Sneijder. The boy was already capped 35 times, eventhough he wasn't even 23 during this time. I read that Valencia wanted him and in the last 8 years Valencia was always after players that were good or turned out to be very very good. I read that he finally had a very good season with Ajax and scored 20 goals in 43 matches and i read that his goal scoring record with Ajax is brilliant for a midfielder ( 1 goal in every 2.9 matches). I also read that apart from his goalscoring capabilities he also has great passing range.
He looks good on paper. I know he's not worth it to pay 27m but like i said, if a team has 100m euro to spend every single summer and if this purchase won't affect anything, then i see no reason why we should judge Real and even more, why should we expect Sneijder to be a failure.
zlatanov
12-08-2007, 20:22
I'm not a huge fan of Sneijder either hitman, but honestly, i didn't watch him at all apert from the matches with his NT.
27m euro is really over-paying, i totally agree, but i really don't understand Zlat's confidence when he said that Sneijder will fail in Real ( he used different words, but he obviously meant that).
I'm forced to use numbers and read about Sneijder, so i may be wrong and Zlat could be right because he watched him more than i did.
But numbers really don't give a bad picture of Sneijder.
I read that he's Van Basten's favorite and MvB can't even imagine his team without Sneijder. The boy was already capped 35 times, eventhough he wasn't even 23 during this time. I read that Valencia wanted him and in the last 8 years Valencia was always after players that were good or turned out to be very very good. I read that he finally had a very good season with Ajax and scored 20 goals in 43 matches and i read that his goal scoring record with Ajax is brilliant for a midfielder ( 1 goal in every 2.9 matches). I also read that apart from his goalscoring capabilities he also has great passing range.
He looks good on paper. I know he's not worth it to pay 27m but like i said, if a team has 100m euro to spend every single summer and if this purchase won't affect anything, then i see no reason why we should judge Real and even more, why should we expect Sneijder to be a failure.
Tony, I didn't say that he will fail in Real - in fact, he may well earn a starting spot on their team (and for the money they are paying, Shuster better give it to him :)) ... what I meant is that he is not the player who would bring Real M success - domestically or in Europe - becase after all that's why a team pays so much money for a single player.
There is a slight dif but still a difference.
To put it in dif words - Sneijder will probably win a starting spot on Real but he is not a difference maker, which Emerson and all the "aged" players Milan is after 'causing the complaints of the fans, have proven to be.
In a similar way, Milan is willing to pay 40-50 mil for an Etoo and even more for a Dinho but not half that for a Torres.
OMG!!! I think I'mbeginning to agree with an evil Juventino more and more :eekani: :eekani:........we can't know for sure how Sneijder would turn out simply because we don't have a crystal ball :bri:
The reason why I kinda think Zlat isn't too far off though is because in the SUPER-HUGE matches I never really had a memorable performance form him.......his WC campaign was bare average at best and awful at worst....... I wouldn't fault Zlat for knocking him by this yardstick.
Conversely, Torres' rise to fame has followed more or less the same path as did Senijder ...and I can't understand why there is a similar prediction of doom for him too.
THING IS I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT TEAMS ARE SERIOUSLY OVERPAYING FOR PLAYERS (BLAME CHELSEA :grinser: ) BUT ARE WE GOING TO KEEP GRABBING OUR NUTS AND SUCKING OUR THUMBS AT EVERYBODY AND NOT REINFORCE A SQUAD THAT HAS BEEN SCREAMING FOR IT FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS???? :wth: :wth: OR ARE WE GOING TO OPEN HISTORY BOOKS AND KEEP UP THIS NAUSEATING DISPLAY OF ARROGANCE :mad:
In conclusion...please get a proper strker (read Aguero :guw: ) and a LEFT BACK :D
Oh and Bye Bye Wesley :kap:
thomas_h
12-08-2007, 20:42
Sneijder comes, Baptista to Milan ( lol )
What about Robben ? Madrid oh madrid
Milan will get Emerson or Motta or . . . .. ... . . . . . . Riquelme ( latest news ) -> Riquelme - Kaka - Seedorf -> FANTASTIC
Riquelme has Spanish Passport, hasn`t he ?
zlatanov
12-08-2007, 20:43
OMG!!! I think I'mbeginning to agree with an evil Juventino more and more :eekani: :eekani:........we can't know for sure how Sneijder would turn out simply because we don't have a crystal ball :bri:
no one is claiming to have one :) ... that's just my take on Sneijder, well, I guess not only mine considering that big clubs have been monitoring the guy for 5 years now and no one but Calderon's Real M decided to make a move for him ;)
Of course, in the end I could end up being wrong but hey, there is a first time for everything :grinser:
Conversely, Torres' rise to fame has followed more or less the same path as did Senijder ...and I can't understand why there is a similar prediction of doom for him too.
Now, I don't wanna be a pain in the butt but - given that you yourself don't seem too keen on Sneijder - I think you answered your own question before you even asked it :diablo:
Kaka--7thUCL
12-08-2007, 20:44
I don't understand how all transfers or all young players Real get are "good" transfers when they all turn out complete flops, I bet Emerson coming to Milan would best out all of Real's transfers, I think a real smart team when it comes to transfers is Milan(when they make one!) and inter. Teams like Real, Chelsea, always get over-hyped youngsters/goldenball players and they always play at half preformace, hopefully we can sign R10 goldenball player or not, he's one player not hyped about enough, especially this year, they say he's lost his "touch", what I think is fans are bored of him and it's time to make a move to milan, because he was simply magic this year just like all the other years, but the Brazil NT preformance was horrible..
We can't be sure for any transfers of course. How could we know a 8.5 Eu M Kaka can turn into a E107M (if I'm not wrong) worth transfer but Milan still refuses? Or a Pirlo who stayed on the bench for a whole season can turn to be one of the best (the best in my opinion) CMs? And as Zlatanov said, he was just guessing.
Sneijder is always a good player in my eyes. IMO, he is even better than Gago, Carrick, and even Lampard. And he is better than Kaka before coming to Milan.
I don't really understand why people keep saying Gilardino is not good. I won't say anything about the time in Parma. But in Milan, the first season he scored more than Shevchenko if we don't count PKs. In the second season, he didn't have his luck but he scored 12 goals, leading Milan's scorer. You may say 12 goals is not a good result. But in fact Shevchenko did score less than 12 goals a season in Milan. And I have another example: Dimitar Berbatov. Berbatov scored 12 goals last season and suddenly people (not me) are saying he is a very good striker, etc... And according to some news, MU offered Tottenham 25-30M (in pound if I'm not wrong) for Berbatov. So what's wrong with Gilardino because he scored 12 goals? And Tevez, he did poorly, so poorly in most of the season (couldn't break in the first team sometimes). And he only did well in the lasts match, scoring 7 goal in the whole season, so why, why many people say he is so good?
I think a real smart team when it comes to transfers is Milan(when they make one!) and inter.
You gotta be kidding me ? It took them almost 1 billion spent on transfers and a relegation of Juventus for them to win something.
I was thinking about all this over-paying of youngsters and how much impossible is to make a perfect prediction and know if you are over-paying or you're not.
Just look at Ibrahimovic. Juve bought him for 19m euro. Just like Sneijder, Ibra came from Ajax and he was 23. He didn't have great goalscoring record (never scored more than 13 goals in 1 season, in Dutch league) , he never had big matches behind him.
At the time everybody thought Juve is seriously overpaying. After the first season it looked like Juve did spent the money wise. After his second season, those 19m again seemed like serious overpaying. When Juve was forced to sell him, i remember that people here objected a lot when they heard Milan wants to give more than 20m for Zlatan. After Inter payed 24m, people (including myself, i admit, even though i am huge fan of Zlatan) were laughing and again saying how Inter over-payed.
And now ? Did Juve overpay when we bought him for 19m euro ?
Then goes Henry. I'm not sure but i think he came to Juve on bosman rule. He was only 22 but already proven with a WC and EC won.
Then Juve sells him for 15m euro to Arsenal.
At the time when Arsenal bought him....did they overpay ? They payed 15m for a player who seriously failed his first test in a great club and great league.
Now Manchester Utd. They payed 18m euro for 18yo Cristiano Ronaldo. They payed 45m euro for 19yo Wayne Rooney and now they payed 21m euro for 20yo Nani.
Lets just imagine that we don't know how good Rooney and CR7 turned out to be.
Without that knowledge, do you think these two weren't worthy of the money ManU payed ?
And now, do you guys think ManU overpayed for Nani and he'll never live up to the price tag and the expectations ?
I have many more examples but this three will do. My point is that we make judgments very easily while in reality we're helpless to predict with a confidence how good will they turn out to be.
That's why scouts exists. They know a lot more about these youngsters than we do. If the scouts who followed Robinho thought that he'll be good and worthy to pay 22m then they had good reason for that.
But it's always a risk. Like i said, sometimes you get Kaka sometimes Legrottagllie.
I have to be with Zlat on this one. As much as I think Sneijder is a top player----27M for him at this time and given his record is simply ludricous. Of course, whether he justifies the price tag or no, time will tell. But at the present time, that's a crazy price to pay for him. Secondly, we also have to see where he will play on the team. Where is Real going to play him? They have Guti, Diarra, Robinho, Baptista, De la Red, Gago, Higuain, and possibly Robben-----WHERE WILL THEY PLAY SNEIJDER? Why would you spend 27M on someone and not have space in your squad for them? Doesnt make any sense to me at all. This is probably why in my opinion, Real Madrid are nothing more than a bunch of clowns buying a bunch of so-called stars and changing managers and presidents every few years and always looking back at the "black and white" days when they won everything because of a lack of competition.
If you ask me, Sneijder for Milan at this time is useless. There would be no room for him in our midfield unless we push Gorky to the stands. He would only be worth spending that sort of money if: he was brought in as a DIRECT replacemnt for Seedorf, and he has evolved from a prospect to a difference maker---hence he would be an adequate replacement for Clarence. This is why Milan are happy to pay 40, 50, 60 M for Etoo or Ronaldinho---because they can come in and make a difference and improve our squad. But that sort of money for Sneider---no way.
I have to be with Zlat on this one. As much as I think Sneijder is a top player----27M for him at this time and given his record is simply ludricous. Of course, whether he justifies the price tag or no, time will tell. But at the present time, that's a crazy price to pay for him. Secondly, we also have to see where he will play on the team. Where is Real going to play him? They have Guti, Diarra, Robinho, Baptista, De la Red, Gago, Higuain, and possibly Robben-----WHERE WILL THEY PLAY SNEIJDER? Why would you spend 27M on someone and not have space in your squad for them? Doesnt make any sense to me at all. This is probably why in my opinion, Real Madrid are nothing more than a bunch of clowns buying a bunch of so-called stars and changing managers and presidents every few years and always looking back at the "black and white" days when they won everything because of a lack of competition.
If you ask me, Sneijder for Milan at this time is useless. There would be no room for him in our midfield unless we push Gorky to the stands. He would only be worth spending that sort of money if: he was brought in as a DIRECT replacemnt for Seedorf, and he has evolved from a prospect to a difference maker---hence he would be an adequate replacement for Clarence. This is why Milan are happy to pay 40, 50, 60 M for Etoo or Ronaldinho---because they can come in and make a difference and improve our squad. But that sort of money for Sneider---no way.
First of all Real have won TWO CL titles recently. They are NOT a bunch of clowns that just go on buying etc etc......you really should have more respect to your opponents than that.
Secondly as much as I don't rate Sneijder that much.....if you think that Gorcuff is better than him then you must be still on your CL hangover :hangover: :drunk:
Sneijder is EXACTLY what we need in midfield...1) as backup to Seedorf who will eventually not be quarter the player he is next two seasons or so and to 2)Get the most out of our existing Clarence, who seems to need that extra edge to motivate him
Given Pirlo and Ambro's propensity to get injured for long spells and Brocchi's relative lack of quality I'd say that I could surely play him in red and black...
zlatanov
12-08-2007, 23:19
You gotta be kidding me ? It took them almost 1 billion spent on transfers and a relegation of Juventus for them to win something.
I was thinking about all this over-paying of youngsters and how much impossible is to make a perfect prediction and know if you are over-paying or you're not.
Just look at Ibrahimovic. Juve bought him for 19m euro. Just like Sneijder, Ibra came from Ajax and he was 23. He didn't have great goalscoring record (never scored more than 13 goals in 1 season, in Dutch league) , he never had big matches behind him.
At the time everybody thought Juve is seriously overpaying. After the first season it looked like Juve did spent the money wise. After his second season, those 19m again seemed like serious overpaying. When Juve was forced to sell him, i remember that people here objected a lot when they heard Milan wants to give more than 20m for Zlatan. After Inter payed 24m, people (including myself, i admit, even though i am huge fan of Zlatan) were laughing and again saying how Inter over-payed.
And now ? Did Juve overpay when we bought him for 19m euro ?
just for the record, not that it makes much of a dif, I do believe that Juve bought Ibra for 15-16 mil, not 19.
And yes, before he came to Juve, he did have big games behind him ... he was always a player to show his quality in big games, or at least most of them, and even vs Milan in CL ... that was because he had and has character, good or bad, mercenary or not, Ibra does have character and that's what differentiates winners from loosers in the end of the day - not talent, not ability but character.
That's exactly what carlo said about Kaka when he was speaking about Pato and Gourcuff and how character was the most imprtnat thing in a young talent taking that extra step from being just a talent to becoming a great player, a difference maker ... it was Kaka's character of a winner that helped him - at the age of 21 and completely new to European football - nail a CL-winning playmaker like Rui Costa on Milan's bench.
That's what Moggi saw in Ibra - the character, not just the ability and talent ... which leads me to my other argument - let's not forget who made the decision to get ibra and pay 15/16 mils (or let's make it 19) for him (and not Sneijder) - was it Moggi and Co (one of the shrudest managements in football) or was it the clown-duo of Calderon and Mijatovic, who after 200 mil spent, and counting, are yet to conjure up a transfer that isn't gonna be a total bust, or close to it ... actually, it looks like the only "transfer" they made that didn't fail was Capello's (and RvN's, who capello asked to be brought to Madrid) ... and we all know the end of that love story :D
Sneijder, unlike Ibra, I see as a "colorless" player, one who lacks character of a winner, one who doesn't have what a player who makes a difference has, one who isn't a leader but prefers to follow when it matters most.
Maybe he would change later in his career but I'd think that if he'd ever have it in him, he'd have shown it by now.
Then goes Henry. I'm not sure but i think he came to Juve on bosman rule. He was only 22 but already proven with a WC and EC won.
Then Juve sells him for 15m euro to Arsenal.
At the time when Arsenal bought him....did they overpay ? They payed 15m for a player who seriously failed his first test in a great club and great league.
that was the whole point of my argument - Sneijder has been around for 5 years now and all he's been (and would have remained if not for Calderon the talent seeker) for all these years is "a player of interest" to the big european clubs and that's about it ... always second, never at the top.
The guy is 23 yo already ... he is no longer a promising player ... by this age, most players have already formed themselves as players, they have been established already ... of course in time they will get better with experience but most of the "juice" should already be on show by the age of 23.
As for Henry, I believe Juve paid good money for him - pretty much the same they got from Arsenal - but you said it yourself - by the age of 22 he was already proven or at least have accomplished more than Sneijder has.
And who paid those 15 mil for a player who failed his first test - his coach from his early years in Monaco, who was well aware of Henry's talent and potential to become a top player (and him being an excellent coach must have told him that Henry being used in a dif position and not his best also contributed to his failure at Juve).
Curiously, Weneger was one of many coaches of big european clubs who at some point were interested in Sneijder ... don't remember him making move for him though even when Sneijder could be bought for 10 mil and probably even less ;)
Now Manchester Utd. They payed 18m euro for 18yo Cristiano Ronaldo. They payed 45m euro for 19yo Wayne Rooney and now they payed 21m euro for 20yo Nani.
Lets just imagine that we don't know how good Rooney and CR7 turned out to be.
Without that knowledge, do you think these two weren't worthy of the money ManU payed ?
And now, do you guys think ManU overpayed for Nani and he'll never live up to the price tag and the expectations ?
there is one main difference between Sneijder's case and those guys you mentioned above (although I would take the Boxer-look-alike out of it cause we all know how crazy EPL teams go when the odd English talent appears from somewhere - common sense business hardly has anything to do with those transactions ... plus, Rooney was already proven in EPL and the English NT when ManU took the plunge for him).
Anyways, the difference is that talents like Nani and CR needed to be scouted for probably a year, maybe less, before they convinced SAF that they are worth the investment ... In Sneijder's case, this scouting took 5 years and no club decided to make a move eventhough his price was 10-12 for some time ... again, maybe even he would still be at Ajax if it wasn't for Real M to come along.
I have many more examples but this three will do. My point is that we make judgments very easily while in reality we're helpless to predict with a confidence how good will they turn out to be.
That's why scouts exists. They know a lot more about these youngsters than we do. If the scouts who followed Robinho thought that he'll be good and worthy to pay 22m then they had good reason for that.
But it's always a risk. Like i said, sometimes you get Kaka sometimes Legrottagllie.
true, but then again, it really depends on who those scouts are and what their track record is - for a millionth time, why it took 5 years for a big European club to finally "steal" Sneijder from Ajax after he's been in the shop window for such a long time for the very best scouts and coaches in Europe to see what he's capable of.
zlatanov
12-08-2007, 23:28
First of all Real have won TWO CL titles recently. They are NOT a bunch of clowns that just go on buying etc etc......you really should have more respect to your opponents than that.
I am sure he ment that towards the "current" Real M side - team and management alike ... we shoudln't forget that Real M is not like Milan where a management can last deceades and create a dynasty ... at Real M, the menegement changes often i.e., while the trophies remain, the club's identity/face changes often ... and the current one are a bunch of clowns and nothing more and they have worked hard to prove it to everyone.
Secondly as much as I don't rate Sneijder that much.....if you think that Gorcuff is better than him then you must be still on your CL hangover :hangover: :drunk:
Gourcuff has more potential than Sneijder cause Gorky is still 20-21 yo, had very limited chances last season, and can still realise that potential and turn himself into a great player ... Sneijder is 23 yo already and by now he should have given signs whether he would be just a good player or a great one.
If Gorky plays the same way when he is 23 yo, then I would have my doubts about him too but until then he can still catch the train ... Sneijder's I am affraid has already left the station.
Sneijder is EXACTLY what we need in midfield...1) as backup to Seedorf who will eventually not be quarter the player he is next two seasons or so and to 2)Get the most out of our existing Clarence, who seems to need that extra edge to motivate him
Given Pirlo and Ambro's propensity to get injured for long spells and Brocchi's relative lack of quality I'd say that I could surely play him in red and black...
no, Sneijder is the exactly what YOU think we need in midfield ... obviously, Carlo and the likes have had their doubts
First of all Real have won TWO CL titles recently. They are NOT a bunch of clowns that just go on buying etc etc......you really should have more respect to your opponents than that.
Secondly as much as I don't rate Sneijder that much.....if you think that Gorcuff is better than him then you must be still on your CL hangover :hangover: :drunk:
Sneijder is EXACTLY what we need in midfield...1) as backup to Seedorf who will eventually not be quarter the player he is next two seasons or so and to 2)Get the most out of our existing Clarence, who seems to need that extra edge to motivate him
Given Pirlo and Ambro's propensity to get injured for long spells and Brocchi's relative lack of quality I'd say that I could surely play him in red and black...
1) Respect for Real? I have no respect for a side that has absolutely no class. Look at the way they tried to unsettle Kaka. For a club of their stature, resorting to such low means is nothing short of shameful. They have won 2 CL titles recently---so what? Have they done much in Europe since? We have also won 2 CL titles recently and many more over the last 20 years---yet we dont go around boasting that we are the best side in the world. We are confident and secure enough in ourselves and we let results on the pitch do the talking. We dont boast. If you take offense that I call Calderon/Mijatovic a bunch of clowns, then I dont know what to say. IMO they more than justify that based on their actions and lack of professionalism. They seem to think that they are a class above everyone else even though none of the hype is justified on the football pitch. ANd yes, Real have been buying buying and buying over the last five seasons. Have a look yourself and see how much they have spent or overspent. And then see what they have accomplished on the pitch.
2) As for Sneijder, I agree with you that he would be a good backup for Seedorf. But that was exactly my point. You dont spend 27M on a backup!! If you spend that kind of money, then he better have qualities that are good enough to replace Seedorf---at this point, I am not convinced he can do it, and spending that much money for a replacment does not make sense. As for Gourcuff, what do you propose we do with him? Bench him, sell him or give him a chance? He did not have enough chances last year and buying a player like Sneijder will limit his chances further. I feel we should give him a proper chance and then see whether he is a hit or a miss. From what Ive seen of him so far, all he needs are some consistent starts and he will be on fire.
3) Given Pirlo and Ambro's injury worries, I'd certainly make a serious bid for Emerson---who can fill both voids, is experienced in serie a, will not cost much, and is more or less a guarantee, rather than a high cost risk.
hitmannq8
13-08-2007, 00:32
Tony its true how numbers say alot but they dont say everything. Your numbers tell you Sneijder had a good season, but Gila's numbers at Milan haven't been bad either, but yet anyone who ain't blind could see how hopeless he can get sometimes..
He might turn out to be a good buy but even if he did, im still happy it wasn't us who took the gamble on him. I would much rather a 25-30 yr old established midfielder that would not have problems adjusting within the group. Baptista, Lincoln (schalke), Diego so many good names out there that are way cheaper and could be bets that give better odds.
Lot's of people we'll be jumping off the Sneijder train in several months time and seats on that one will be as cheap and available as Robinho's, Gago's, Higuain's and by the look of things, Robben's too ... did I miss someone else? :D
One thing to note here... u cant really expect young talents like robinho will develop in madrid right? For the last 2 years they were sacking the coach regularly, every1 of them experimenting with his own tactics using his own players, team was rebuild over and over again, the administration clearly doesnt know what they are doing, buying players (many good or promising ones) just for sake of buying, not needing. The core of the team was lazy spoiled metro party animals... Not really an environment where young players can settle and start develop?
the point is - robinho, gago, higuain and others would probably prove much more if they joined other clubs in spain. Heck, i would even say robinho in barca would be a huge hit.
Drucurllllllllllllllllll :D
http://www.igre.co.ba/ronaldo.asp
enjoy this game!! :grinser:
Tutte le notizie di oggi , my dear Milan fans :
1. Zaragoza has the rights for Collocini. They officially bought him from Deportivo for 10m euro.
2. After all their attempts to bring Sneijder, Kallstrom and Lucho Gonzalez failed, Valencia is now trying to get van der Vaart. According to Dutch newspapers " De Telegraaf" , Valencia is offering 14m euro for Hamburgs playmaker.
3. Today or tomorrow Antonio Cassano will officially be Sampdoria player. If things go well on today's meeting in Madrid between Samp's officials and Real Madrid then it's expected Cassano to be officially presented to Samp fans tomorrow.
4. Rooney will be out for 2 months but ManU won't be looking for a new attacker because they expect Tevez to take over Rooney's role. But there are new problems with Tevez because Boca is asking for 5m euro for the transfer of Tevez from West Ham to ManU
5. Trofeo TIM will be opened with Juve-Inter. In the second match Milan will play against the loser of the first match and in the third match Milan will play vs the winner of the first match. Matches last only 45 minutes. Trofeo TIM will be played tomorrow in Milano.
6. Fiorentina bought 21yo attacker from Atalanta, the Argentine Osvaldo who played for Lecce in last season.
7. Dany Alves won't play against AEK in CL on Wednesday. It's a clear sign that Sevilla will sell him. And there is a real war going between Chelsea and Real Madrid for the Brazilian RB. For now Chelsea has the advantage because they offered 35m euro and it's reported that their offer is higher than what Real offered.
In the meantime Sevilla is looking for a new RB and they are seriously interested in Nelson from Benfika who was close to Milan last winter. Milan planned to get Nelson in case they wouldn't have bought Oddo.
8. According to Gazzetta , Laporta said this to Berlusconi : "This year there's no chance to sell Dinho, but if we plan to sell him from next year then Milan will have the first option "
- how come only Gazzetta comes with such interesting news about Dinho ?
9. According to Corriere dello sport, Milan is still seriously interested to buy another attacker and they are after Di Natale and/or Diego Millito.
10. Ranieri today said that he found the 2 CD's that will lead Juve's defense - Andrade and super talent Criscito.
But still, Corriere claims Juve is pushing to get another defender. The choice is between Ivanovic (wanted also by ManU) and Zapata.
Boumsong received an offer from Lyon and Juve together with Boumsong are yet to decide if they will let him go to France or he'll stay in Torino.
11. Fiore was complaining that Valencia's coach isn't even talking to him anymore and that he's surely leaving Spain. Atalanta, Genoa and Napoli will try to secure the ex-Italy NT midfielder.
Inter is interested in Sissoko from Toulouse (Corriere dello sport)
12. Fabio Capello thinks that Inter can win the double this year. According to Capello Inters greatest rivals are Milan for the scudetto and Barcelona in CL. Capello thinks that Giuly is the best purchase by the Italian teams this summer.
13. Bronzetti is in Madrid and will try to get Emerson to Milan. The offer is 4m euro.
14. According to Gazzetta, Valencia offered 15m euro for Adriano but Inter rejected the offer as not realistic. Gazzetta also claims that Inter's mercato isn't finished and Moratti is still trying to get at least one of Nasri, Riquelme, Deco or Julio Baptista.
12. Fabio Capello thinks that Inter can win the double this year. According to Capello Inters greatest rivals are Milan for the scudetto and Barcelona in CL. Capello thinks that Giuly is the best purchase by the Italian teams this summer.
Im loving every minute of this whole 'Inter will win every single trophy which is available out there including the Liga and the EPL this season' When realistically speaking they might just get the Coppa.
eltomas2
13-08-2007, 10:47
First of all Real have won TWO CL titles recently. They are NOT a bunch of clowns that just go on buying etc etc......you really should have more respect to your opponents than that.
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Real are clowns, wanna-be-thugs...here's their latest disrespect towards another club
http://edition.cnn.com/2007/SPORT/football/08/13/dutch.schneider.reut/index.html
http://www.goal.com/en-US/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=381284
they gave Ajax a 3-hour "ultimatum"...then they come back and offer 3 more mil, so in the end real ends up paying more + apologizing to Ajax
And then they get voted as the team of the century?
Hasan Rossonero
13-08-2007, 11:06
Tony29
Gazzetta quoted Marca on that piece of news about Dinho.
My Spanish friends say that Marca is a reputable paper in Spain, even if pro-Madrid.
I wonder why everybody calls Mijatovic - Pedrag when his name is Predrag. But absolutely every English site calls him Pedrag :)
Predrag means - too dear, the dearest
Pedrag means...nothing
Tony29
Gazzetta quoted Marca on that piece of news about Dinho.
My Spanish friends say that Marca is a reputable paper in Spain, even if pro-Madrid.
Yes, sorry, my mistake. Taken from Marca.
Still, the only ones who are still talking about Dinho to Milan are a pro-Real and pro-Milan newspapers. Like i said, i share their opinion that Dinho will someday end up in Milan, but AS stopped with Kaka to Milan rumors and Gazzetta is really pushing it.
I, as a Juve fan, don't like this rumors, understandably. I can only imagine how Barcelona fans feel (actually, Hasan, i also know few of those and none of them enjoys these rumors and they are all cursing Milan for their dirty play. I don't know how come the Barcelona fans you know are so calm).
There is not a day without "Dinho to Milan" written in Gazzetta, you read the paper and you know it's true. Only a photoshoped picture is needed and there will be no difference between AS and Gazzetta.
Hasan Rossonero
13-08-2007, 11:45
Yes, sorry, my mistake. Taken from Marca.
Still, the only ones who are still talking about Dinho to Milan are a pro-Real and pro-Milan newspapers. Like i said, i share their opinion that Dinho will someday end up in Milan, but AS stopped with Kaka to Milan rumors and Gazzetta is really pushing it.
I, as a Juve fan, don't like this rumors, understandably. I can only imagine how Barcelona fans feel (actually, Hasan, i also know few of those and none of them enjoys these rumors and they are all cursing Milan for their dirty play. I don't know how come the Barcelona fans you know are so calm).
There is not a day without "Dinho to Milan" written in Gazzetta, you read the paper and you know it's true. Only a photoshoped picture is needed and there will be no difference between AS and Gazzetta.
So, Gazzetta is not supposed to write about a transfer that could happen? Isn't that how it works?
My problem was more with Calderon and Mijatovic (can't stand Mijatovic) than AS. Schuster too. Although, to be fair, Ancelotti today said that "we wait for Dinho with open arms".
However, that still doesn't reach the levels of "Kaka should ask for a transfer, and I believe he will". :rolleyes:
All of this was splashed in a Spanish newspaper, and Gazzetta reproduced it. My question to you is how are Milan playing dirty here? Clubs aren't allowed to bid? When Real bid 90 million, I didn't care. It was illegal approaches I was referring to. By the way that "club" today stoked the ire of Ajax. http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=452651&cc=5901
I am talking about elementary standards of conduct. What Real do is sometimes illegal, and almost always crass.
To be sure, clubs are allowed to bid for players. Barcelona fans surely should know that.
Furthermore, the fans I was talking about were Real and Valencia fans.
Finally, as a fan of Italian football I would be thrilled if anyone (bar Inter) landed a star name like Tevez or Ronaldinho. Honestly, when it comes to Italian football I spurn my provincialism. I have immense respect for Juventus, and what they stand for. Therefore if papers tomorrow were laden with Dinho to Juve rumours I would be thrilled.
You should do the same. :D Come on, trade in that myopia for the big picture. A star comes in, and the league's profile goes up making it more likely for other teams (including the one in nel cuore :D) to sign prominent names.
Warro Bantan
13-08-2007, 11:53
I dunno..my optimisim is waning...I doubt we will bring anybody in, apart from the mooted Emerson/Motta saga....but then again, that could be my well used, and often successfull "trick", of not believing something will happen, just so that it will.
But seriously, we may bring in one player, or two at the most (3rd string keeper maybe?)..but not the big star that I had hoped...
So, peters, if u havent gotten the cheque yet, its in the mail! :D
Having said all that, I still think Milan are very competitive, and if Ronaldo/Pippo can go for the majority of the season without getting injured, then, we can compete for every single trophy we play for.
FORZA MIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILAN!!
I didn't say Milan plays dirty. That's the impression Dinho lovers have because everyday they see Dinho to Milan rumors even though all the parties involved said it won't happen.
And even though it is said it won't happen there is not a day Gazzetta not to write about it. First it was how Dinho wants Milan and all the theories why he will join Milan this summer. And all the stories with his brother coming to talk, officially about RO, unofficially about Dinho. Then it was Dinho to join in January and all the theories how will it happen, now about Dinho joining next year, then Berly paying 125m for the release clause etc etc etc
Every day, many times in the first page, Gazzetta has "Dinho to Milan". It's nothing illegal writing about a transfer that could happen and adding few invented stories and conversations from time to time. But AS did the same thing, only the photo made it look worse !
As for Real ( i hate Real but i adore Mijatovic, totally oposite of you :) ) they hardly ever gone over the limit. I had an impression they are playing fair and square, unlike AS who were really acting idiotic all the time. Real officials said publicly that there's no chance to get Kaka now but they will try next year.
As for their methods...it's all allowed. In Gazzetta i read many times how Ronaldo calls Dinho to Milan, Kaka talks in the locker rooms with Dinho about joining Milan etc. If this is true then i doubt Milan officials aren't involved in this.
Remember Galliani and ... "Sheva knows what he should do " ?
Unless clubs do something illegal like Inter did with Suazo ( what happened with that, btw? ) then i don't see why should we object. And if we object, then we should look at what are "our men" doing ;)
Warro Bantan
13-08-2007, 12:42
I didn't say Milan plays dirty. That's the impression Dinho lovers have because everyday they see Dinho to Milan rumors even though all the parties involved said it won't happen....Every day, many times in the first page, Gazzetta has "Dinho to Milan". It's nothing illegal writing about a transfer that could happen and adding few invented stories and conversations from time to time. But AS did the same thing, only the photo made it look worse ! Ok, so are you blaming il Gazzetta then?
As for Real ( i hate Real but i adore Mijatovic, totally oposite of you :) ) they hardly ever gone over the limit. I had an impression they are playing fair and square, unlike AS who were really acting idiotic all the time. Real officials said publicly that there's no chance to get Kaka now but they will try next year....Hardly ever? Puhleeeease...ask Chelski about Robben, Ajax about Sjneider, and us about Kaka...Madrid have behaved borderline illegaly with regard to all of these targets.
Unless clubs do something illegal like Inter did with Suazo ( what happened with that, btw? ) then i don't see why should we object. And if we object, then we should look at what are "our men" doing ;)
Tony, I cannot agree with you in this matter, as I firmly believe Milan have acted like gentlemen the entire time with regard to this "transfer saga"...and if Gazzetta prints something, is it our fault? Likewise with AS..Madrid cannot be blamed for their (ie AS´s) excesses...but we never heard Galliani et al go on like Calderon et al, over transfer targets...
Plus, Calderon and Real just had their wrists slapped, and had to come up with 3M more, just because your "hero", Predrag, had a hissy fit and stalked out of a meeting :uhm: with Ajax over Sjneider....and these guys are on the same level with Milan? Dont think so.
So, AS > Gazetto in terms of inanity
and Calderon/Madrid > Milan in terms of acting like spoiled brats, and behaving in an ungentlemanly way. (Not saying that we are perfect, but relative to Madrid, we are Saints) :zany:
Hasan Rossonero
13-08-2007, 12:50
I didn't say Milan plays dirty. That's the impression Dinho lovers have because everyday they see Dinho to Milan rumors even though all the parties involved said it won't happen.
And even though it is said it won't happen there is not a day Gazzetta not to write about it. First it was how Dinho wants Milan and all the theories why he will join Milan this summer. And all the stories with his brother coming to talk, officially about RO, unofficially about Dinho. Then it was Dinho to join in January and all the theories how will it happen, now about Dinho joining next year, then Berly paying 125m for the release clause etc etc etc
Every day, many times in the first page, Gazzetta has "Dinho to Milan". It's nothing illegal writing about a transfer that could happen and adding few invented stories and conversations from time to time. But AS did the same thing, only the photo made it look worse !
As for Real ( i hate Real but i adore Mijatovic, totally oposite of you :) ) they hardly ever gone over the limit. I had an impression they are playing fair and square, unlike AS who were really acting idiotic all the time. Real officials said publicly that there's no chance to get Kaka now but they will try next year.
As for their methods...it's all allowed. In Gazzetta i read many times how Ronaldo calls Dinho to Milan, Kaka talks in the locker rooms with Dinho about joining Milan etc. If this is true then i doubt Milan officials aren't involved in this.
Remember Galliani and ... "Sheva knows what he should do " ?
Unless clubs do something illegal like Inter did with Suazo ( what happened with that, btw? ) then i don't see why should we object. And if we object, then we should look at what are "our men" doing ;)
Actually there is something grossly illegal about adding conversations that didn't take place. Note, AS added an actual transcript. People can sue for libel in that case, and it happens quite often. Mijatovic said that "we will not surrender for C. Ronaldo and Kaka". Those were his words, even though he conceded that it's difficult to get them.
Finally, Gazzetta is fairly reliable. I have rarely found it to be wrong. Some of my Italian friends are rabidly anti-Milan, but they read Gazzetta daily. It has a sterling reputation. They don't fabricate just for the sake of it, and they have sources close to Milan. I don't expect papers to play nice all the time, so of course Gazzetta are guilty of providing grist for the rumour mill.
I must say though Tony, I agree with the general thrust of your argument. In football, no one is innocent it seems, and fans are always ready to to turn a blind eye to their own faults.
But Real have managed to piss off Milan, Man U, Ajax, Chelsea, and Arsenal. Surely, there is something wrong in this picture. :nervous:
Hardly ever? Puhleeeease...ask Chelski about Robben, Ajax about Sjneider, and us about Kaka...Madrid have behaved borderline illegaly with regard to all of these targets.
I was talking about Kaka case. And i do think they hardly ever gone over the limit.
Calderon, in order to win the elections, is promising Kaka. Real is claiming all the time they will buy Kaka.
Not something Milan fans want to hear, but hardly illegal, don't you agree?
Berlusconi, DURING THE SEASON, when Barcelona is fighting for the tittle , and losing it eventually, comes up with "I have 100m euro prepared to bring Dinho to Milan" . Isn't this unsettling a player of another team ?
I don't think ( i might be wrong though) Real Madrid illegally approached Kaka or his agent. They did say that IF Kaka comes to Milan he'll be getting XYm euro per season.
They are unsettling Kaka, but absolutely the same thing was, and is still being done, to Ronaldinho by Berlusconi, Ancelotti, Galliani.
These Milan trio still claims that they will do everything to buy Dinho and Real is doing the same thing with Kaka.
And Galliani about Shevchenko... "Sheva knows what to do" and how should he get out of Chelsea and join Milan !!! What the hell is this ?
And so what if Mijatovic said they will not surrender for CR7 and Kaka ?
Milan are saying the same thing about Ronaldinho, absolutely the same thing.
As a Juve fan i've seen the power of Gazzetta. Moggi may be a luying cheater but i completely trust him when he said that the pink newspaper had the main role in Calciopoli. He claims the transcriptions from Gazzetta have nothing to do with the original conversations. He claims Gazzetta twisted the words comletely and all the ones who heard the original tapes can confirm that.
I spent the whole year reading Gazzetta articles about Buffon to Milan. They didn't leave the player in peace for the entire year. Now they are doing the same with Ronaldinho.
@ Hasan....i don't know if Gazzetta is fabricating news or not, but how can you say they are rarely wrong ? 99% of the transfer news they gave this summer were completely wrong and 99% of the "sure deals" never happened.
But ok, lets wait. There is still time until August 31 so they may guess a thing or two.
Berlusconi and Moggi have a big history of "step from illegal" buying players. Juve got half of the players that way, by blackmailing the teams. Milan from the past....did you guys read the stories about how did Berlu got Donadoni and the role of the prostitutes in this purchase ? How did he get Lentini ?
And the latest with Suazo ??? You had in your official page that you've officially signed Suazo even though the player never wanted Milan and never agreed to join Milan.
Milan officials gentlemen about transfers :rolleyes: That's like saying that Moggi was the most honest person in Italy.
Warro Bantan
13-08-2007, 13:35
Well, in relative terms, we are gentlemen compared to Real...and thats the basis of my argument here...
Berlu may have misbehaved in the past...who hasnt? And Juve for certain, cannot be held in higher regard than either Milan, or Real for that matter...
But the bottom line is: Comparing us to Real is a joke, as we have never gone as far as they have in recent memory(and...please, comparing Berlu now to the Berlu of 10 years ago is disingenius in the extreme)
Hasan Rossonero
13-08-2007, 13:45
Tony29
Real illegally approached Kaka last summer. Milan threatened to take them to court.
Gazzetta had the verdicts for Calciopoli well in advance. They have always been right about transfers in the past, but that doesn't mean their speculation will be off a bit.
Like I said the most respected sports paper in Italy. The country's paper of record when it comes to sports.
I hadn't heard of Donadoni, but Moggi was the PIMP of choice. He also, btw, allegedly provided Maradona a prosthetic penis full of urine, so that he would pass the test. :wth: :D
I am aware that Berlu isn't angelic, btw. :D
Warro Bantan
13-08-2007, 14:02
So, that being sorted...nothing else new on the horizon for Milan? Carlo says that for him, the mercato is closed...(like he ever had anything to do with it in the first place :haha: )...but is it?
Hasan Rossonero
13-08-2007, 14:28
acmilan.com:
THE BEST CONDITION
8/13/2007 6:27:00 PM
Ancelotti spoke during the press conference: the Trofeo Tim will be useful to improve the condition. Inzaghi will be available, Ronaldo will be back after the Trofeo Berlusconi. Sevilla is a very dangerous team.
Transfer Market. “Emerson or Motta? They are both excellent midfielders, but for me the market is closed.”
Trofe Tim. “These are two matches, just like the Trofeo Berlusconi, which will help us to achieve the best condition. We are decreasing the workloads , we are starting to make more brilliant work, the squad is now aiming to improve and in this sense the matches against Inter and Juve will be useful. There’s the desire to play well, to do well. The result right now is the last of my thoughts. We shall play everyone. Inzaghi is recovered and he will be back. Ronaldo will have to wait after the Trofeo Berlusconi.”
In the pre-season friendlies, the Italian teams did not always do well abroad. “The foreign teams are doing a lighter preparation, they try to reach the best condition straight, they don’t give too much importance to the initial basis which is a strong point in the preparation of the Italian teams: the initial workloads are important, but obviously they tire the legs, therefore you go abroad and the teams run faster than you. The Italian preparation is meant for a medium-long term: the condition is reached later on and gives its results later.”
European Supercup. “The squad which will play the Supercup is more or less ready; it does not need to be tested. It’s a team we all know, it does not need any kind of automatism, and it’s only a matter of condition. Now we have these two games, then a week to prepare for the league and the Supercup.”
Sevilla. “It’s a strong team. Very aggressive, very quick. Very fearful. Compared to Liverpool, they have the same aggressiveness, the same order but more velocity and ability upfront. It’s a very dangerous team. A very complicated period awaits them, with the matches of the Spanish Supercup against Real, the preliminary round and the league, but we shall arrive on the 31st of August in a very good condition.”
Ronaldinho. 'Let’s wait. We’re here with arms wide open...”
Suazo. “No one has any criticism to make about him. He made a professional choice.”
Inzaghi. “He’s not at 100%, but he must start playing a bit at a time, to improve his condition.”
Giuly. “I agree, he was a very good purchase by Roma. For the characteristics of the team he will be very important”.
Before leaving, Ancelotti announced the two formations which will play tomorrow night. In midfield Brocchi, Gattuso and Ambrosini will play in one game; Pirlo, Gattuso and Gourcuff in the other. Kaka and Seedorf will play both games. In attack, Inzaghi and Gilardino will alternate. In defence, Oddo, Bonera, Kaladze and Favalli first, then Cafu, Simic, Nesta and Serginho in the second game.
I don't think ( i might be wrong though) Real Madrid illegally approached Kaka or his agent.
They have illegally approached kaka and his agent. kaka has informed Milan about the meeting. Obviously you haven't been reading enough about the scum from Madrid. :devf:
And the latest with Suazo ??? You had in your official page that you've officially signed Suazo even though the player never wanted Milan and never agreed to join Milan.
So what has Milan done wrongly about Suazo? We offered the club the money they wanted and they agree to sell us the player. Everything is done according to rules and regulations and you make us sound like thugs. Milan website might have jump the gun by announcing the transfer without agreeing on personal terms with the player but its usually not a problem. When problems pop up, Milan withdraw like a gentleman. Sometimes, you really like to look at things with tinted lens, like a juventino should. :rolleyes:
Hasan Rossonero
13-08-2007, 14:39
So what has Milan done wrongly about Suazo? We offered the club the money they wanted and they agree to sell us the player. Everything is done according to rules and regulations and you make us sound like thugs. Milan website might have jump the gun by announcing the transfer without agreeing on personal terms with the player but its usually not a problem. When problems pop up, Milan withdraw like a gentleman. Sometimes, you really like to look at things with tinted lens, like a juventino should. :rolleyes:
:respect: :respect:
Blacktop
13-08-2007, 14:54
So what has Milan done wrongly about Suazo? We offered the club the money they wanted and they agree to sell us the player. Everything is done according to rules and regulations and you make us sound like thugs. Milan website might have jump the gun by announcing the transfer without agreeing on personal terms with the player but its usually not a problem. When problems pop up, Milan withdraw like a gentleman. Sometimes, you really like to look at things with tinted lens, like a juventino should. :rolleyes:
Cagliari's team president had even publicly denied having contact with Moratti about Suazo's transfer, even though it was already 99% in the bag. It's not as if Milan were acting like a--holes during this transaction.
I hadn't heard of Donadoni
Sorry for going off topic but this is an anecdote that must be heard. This is why the male population is jealous but still has nothing but respect for Berlu :)
Nothing illegal happened, but the way he did business is something that must find itself in a book called "I want to be a successful businessman and owner of a great club "
Here is the story :
In the summer of 1986 the transfer of Roberto Donadoni to Juventus was 99% a done deal. Juve and Atalanta had a fantastic relationship and all the best players from Atalanta were finishing in Juventus.
But than smthg happened and that was the very first coup that made it clear that Berlusconi was “one who gets whatever he wants and that even mighty Juve couldn’t resist”.
During a high-class party, in his luxurious palace of Arcore, he invited the two Bortolotti, Achille Bortolotti, the father and Cesare the son, the two bosses of Atalanta. In that party, Berlusconi didn’t receive the Atalanta supremos as in a formal way: he received them while wearing his tracking field suit. He had also invited some of his most beautiful ladies from his TV station Italia 1 and the most beautiful escort-girls in Milano. The wine was flowing freely and the ladies were beautiful and the atmosphere great. The Bortolottis got a lot of the wine and a lot of the ladies ;)
At the end of the night, at dawn,, after the Atalanta bosses had a lot of fun, Berlusconi went to see Bortolotti senior, and gave him a blank cheque, telling him with a large smile: “This is for Donadoni, you name your price”. The Bortolotti were simply puzzled, and that is to put it very mildly.
After this high class evening, the next day, the Bortolotti called a press conference telling about Donadoni’s sale to Milan, in a very enthusiastic tone: “We have never ever encountered anyone like Berlusconi! He has a force, energy extraordinary. And how about the numerous gorgeous ladies…”. He went on to say: “He just made us an offer we simply could not refuse.”
The Agnelli's were left with their mouths opened and one big WTF !!!!
Juve had to simply give up on Donadoni and Berlusconi's charisma.
Hats off for Berlu ! What a legend :)
Warro Bantan
13-08-2007, 15:22
Thanks as always Tony, for the education...all I can say is I wish I was Bortolotti...:D
Maltese Charlie
13-08-2007, 15:49
Sorry for going off topic but this is an anecdote that must be heard. This is why the male population is jealous but still has nothing but respect for Berlu :)
Nothing illegal happened, but the way he did business is something that must find itself in a book called "I want to be a successful businessman and owner of a great club "
Here is the story :
In the summer of 1986 the transfer of Roberto Donadoni to Juventus was 99% a done deal. Juve and Atalanta had a fantastic relationship and all the best players from Atalanta were finishing in Juventus.
But than smthg happened and that was the very first coup that made it clear that Berlusconi was “one who gets whatever he wants and that even mighty Juve couldn’t resist”.
During a high-class party, in his luxurious palace of Arcore, he invited the two Bortolotti, Achille Bortolotti, the father and Cesare the son, the two bosses of Atalanta. In that party, Berlusconi didn’t receive the Atalanta supremos as in a formal way: he received them while wearing his tracking field suit. He had also invited some of his most beautiful ladies from his TV station Italia 1 and the most beautiful escort-girls in Milano. The wine was flowing freely and the ladies were beautiful and the atmosphere great. The Bortolottis got a lot of the wine and a lot of the ladies ;)
At the end of the night, at dawn,, after the Atalanta bosses had a lot of fun, Berlusconi went to see Bortolotti senior, and gave him a blank cheque, telling him with a large smile: “This is for Donadoni, you name your price”. The Bortolotti were simply puzzled, and that is to put it very mildly.
After this high class evening, the next day, the Bortolotti called a press conference telling about Donadoni’s sale to Milan, in a very enthusiastic tone: “We have never ever encountered anyone like Berlusconi! He has a force, energy extraordinary. And how about the numerous gorgeous ladies…”. He went on to say: “He just made us an offer we simply could not refuse.”
The Agnelli's were left with their mouths opened and one big WTF !!!!
Juve had to simply give up on Donadoni and Berlusconi's charisma.
Hats off for Berlu ! What a legend :)
Sorry Tony.
But I remember myself reading la gazzetta about this transfer, although its been a long time now, and things were not exactly as you are saying.
I remember that Juventus had an option on Donadoni, and (IL GRANDE BERLUSCOI :devf: ) offered 7 miliardi Lire which was a great sum for those days, and Juventus refused to buy him for that sum of money and pulled out.
Tony note that the Agnellis were controlling all the transfers in Italy and Thanks to Berlusconi he stopped it.
I read this Charlie , i'm not saying as i remember because i had no idea about this until few months ago. I read the same story in 3 different sites and one of them is a Milan fan forum ( devilmania )
And it's an anecdote. Probably new things are added every next time someone is telling the story. It's more interesting this way :)
Warro Bantan
13-08-2007, 16:00
Yeah Charlie...I like Tony´s version better! :grinser:
Hasan Rossonero
13-08-2007, 16:02
Cassano to Samp is a done deal according to tuttomercato and tgcom.
Real have bought Alves, according to TVE.
Warro Bantan
13-08-2007, 16:08
If Real do get Alves, then they will surely be a rival in the UCL....that is if Schuster can fit all these pieces together into a cohive unit...though by the time he does that, Real could find themselves knocked out in the group stage :D
Sampdoria are doing a nice bit of business in signing Cassano (if the right one turns up at any rate) and this aquisition (all things being equal) could see them as tricky opponents, who will want to challenge for a European spot in the table.
Not too worried though, as his (Cassano´s) tendancy to self-destruct, outweighs his potential as a game winner.
Channel4 is now on about R10 and us next year....
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/aug13l.html
Which for me is ridiculous...we might end up with another Rivaldo...how old is R10 anyway?
Hasan Rossonero
13-08-2007, 16:15
If Real do get Alves, then they will surely be a rival in the UCL....that is if Schuster can fit all these pieces together into a cohive unit...though by the time he does that, Real could find themselves knocked out in the group stage :D
Sampdoria are doing a nice bit of business in signing Cassano (if the right one turns up at any rate) and this aquisition (all things being equal) could see them as tricky opponents, who will want to challenge for a European spot in the table.
Not too worried though, as his (Cassano´s) tendancy to self-destruct, outweighs his potential as a game winner.
Channel4 is now on about R10 and us next year....
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/aug13l.html
Which for me is ridiculous...we might end up with another Rivaldo...how old is R10 anyway?
27, so, if he comes, he will be 28.
Bosniaco
13-08-2007, 16:19
What the hell Real Madrid is going to do with all these players.
Cassano Samp
Real Alves
R10 and us next year....another Rivaldo
Oooh, another great day for us!!!
At least good for Samp they will probably have a quality striker..
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