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28 is not a bad age at all ... but it would depend on his price for sure ... It would have to be a much more realistic fee of £40 million or less.
I know it's a wrong thread and everything but what the hell.... that's why mods are here. They will move it to some other topic if they feel it should be done.
Few more anecdotes ( all taken from Devilsmania) :
You all know the legendary Nils Liedholm, the great Swede, of the 50's of Milan. He was if you want, the Rijkaard of that time, but in even more dominating style, especially technically. Technically, few matched him and his passes were so spot on, so precise, that he never missed a pass. Actually he did miss one pass. It was 3 seasons after he joined Milan, I don’t remember the exact game, or the exact year, but all the old Milan fans are saying it, that at one time, at the San Siro, Liedholm missed a pass in midfield. He wanted to pass the ball to a teammate and instead, the ball went straight to an opponent. At that time, happened one of the most extraordinary moments ever lived in the San Siro, as related by the old timers. The crowd couldn't believe their eyes. In 3 full years, that Liedholm has been playing for Milan, no one could remember him making a bad pass. At that time, the whole San Siro gave Liedholm, one of the warmest and longest standing ovation ever witnessed in that great stadium. The opposition team was going nuts, not understanding what was going on!!!!The standing ovation lasted for 5 whole minutes !!!!Can you believe that???? A 5 minutes standing ovatin for having missed a pass!!!!
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It was in the mid 80's. At that time, the coach of the team was no one else than the legendary Nils Liedholm, one of the 3 Swedes of the famous Gre-No-Li trio. So he was the coach and during a match one of Milan defenders got injured. So Liedholm turns to a young player on the bench, with the name of Paolo Maldini and asked him if he could replace the injured player. Paolo answered with a resounding "Si!" (Yes). He warms up for a few minutes then, before entering on the pitch, Liedholm asks him: "where you prefer to play in defence? Right wing or left wing?" And Paolo answered :"Right wing back."
The reason he chose to play on the right? Very few know that Paolo was originally a right wing back and then, had to adapt himself to playing into the left wing back position!!!!In his debut, Paolo preferred to play in his "natural" position...
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Some of Galliani's most famous and ludicrous comments ever!!!Looking at them retroactively makes one really laugh!!!
Before the beginning of the 97-98 season, during the presentation of the last Milan team led by Don Fabio Capello:
"We may have not been able to get Figo, but we have been able to get a younger player and then, therefore, stronger in the long run: Ba!"
" We may have lost Toldo, but we have taken a keeper with a great future: Pagotto!
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Or how about this one:
As a kid, San Paolo was a DIE-HARD Juve fan!!!!
It is rumoured that as soon as he reached the age of reason, he became a Milanista. And no, this change has nothing to do with any kind or shape or form of paternal pressure...
Also, Deme Albertini was also rumoured to be a die hard Juve fan in his youth...
Paolo a Juventino???I'd rather die than see that!!!! ( it's not Tony29 saying this. The guy who originally wrote the post said it :) )
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Don Revie, Leeds manager, wanted to stop Rivera for the Salonica final of Cup Winners Cup. He called the marker, Hunter: "Rivera, out of the game". Hunter laughed through barred teeth and pointing to the captain, he hissed: "Out of tonight's game or the game of soccer altogether?"
I think Hunter was the player that, taking the ball into Milan field, found Rivera, and the Golden Boy took it, launching an attack. Hunter, without stopping, turns back and slaps with open hand Rivera's head, causing him to fall a couple of yards away! Not sure if it was the fault that gave Chiarugi the only goal of the game -on freekick- but indeed Hunter did not return to Revie with his mission complete :)
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The following are a couple of great annecdotes involving the referee Trantalange and Milan. From the November issue of Forza Milan!Enjoy!:)
First of all, in his first game at the San Siro, in January of 89, during a Coppa Italian game between Milan and Messina. Milan wins 6-0. During that game, Trantalange gave 4 penalty kicks, 3 for Milan and one for Messina. The fact that will be forever remembered in that game is that all 3 penalties for Milan were taken and scored by...Baresi in what was to become his only hat-trick of his legendary career. :)
Now, here's a very funny annecdote involving Trantalange and Milan. Trantalange doesn't remember whether this was a friendly game or a Coppa Italia game, but he was about to whistle the start of the game, when he noticed that on the Milan bench, was sitting a certain Silvio Berlusconi. The Serie A rules do not allow members of the board of a club or the president to sit on the bench during a game. So Trantalange realizing that, he approached Milan's captain, Baresi and asked him to politely pray the Milan president to go sit in the stands. Baresi, smiled and told Trantalange: "I really don't feel like doing that." Trantalange, then, still embarrassed, went towards the Milan bench and asked, not Berlusconi in person, but Silvio Romaccion, one of Milan's managers to ask Berlusconi to leave the bench and go sit on the stands. Romaccioni, understood very easily Trantalange's embarrassment and asked Berlusconi. Berlusconi, with a smile, went towards the stands.:)
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Here's what was written in that same article on Berlusconi and some of the dubbious dealings of Milan involving Toro in the early 90's.
"In the summer of 1992, Milan paid Torino the then extraordinary sum of 18.5 billion Lire for a young footballer called Gianluigi Lentini. It later emerged that the Lentini transfer had been the subject of shady financial deals. The president of Torino (who doubled, of course as a member of Parliament) alleged that 6.5 billion Lire of the transfer fee was paid sottobanco - without receipts or contract - to a Swiss bank account, an obvious way to avoid taxes: the actual player, Lentini, had his proposed salary slashed from 4 billion Lire a year to little more than 1.5 billion Lire (with the obvious suspicion, according to the Torino President, that he was "topped off" in cash from Berlusconi's slush funds in Switzerland); most damning of all, when the Milan directors had paid a 7 billion deposit on the player, they didn't ask for the usual "receipt" of payment, but instead wanted shares in Torino. It was that, more than the financial scams, which incensed neutral observers, because it meant Milan had played much of the 1992 season owning controlling shares in another club. The magistrates who investigated financial irregulations in early 1990's were called "Clean Hands"; the Lentini scandal duly became known as "Clean" or "Dirty Feet". Berlusconi's response to the scandal was to become during the next 10 years, a familiar refrain. He was, he said, the victim:"I have the sensation of living in a police state...I feel the object of a wicth-hunt."
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Enjoy :)
Hasan, what is TVE?
Can you post a link or is it a radio/tv station?
that is if Schuster can fit all these pieces together into a cohive unit...
Which for me is ridiculous...we might end up with another Rivaldo...how old is R10 anyway?
1) big IF
2) after all that useless fuss about landing him this season it would be strange not to splash the cash next year. After all, who do u think we're saving this years transfer budget for? And 28yo transfer is somehow young by milan standarts :str:
King tiger
13-08-2007, 15:32
man u got some more anecdotes ? these are great, gg tony :D
TVE = Television Espana
Spanish television ( i think )
Hasan Rossonero
13-08-2007, 15:52
Hasan, what is TVE?
Can you post a link or is it a radio/tv station?
I think it stands for TV Espana, so unfortunately I can't :(.
But some Real fans, who live in Spain, are going on about it.
guess we'll have to wait until tomorrow to find out more.
Hasan Rossonero
13-08-2007, 16:01
Il Real presta Cassano alla Sampdoria
21:50 del 13 agosto
cassano-golIl Real Madrid e la Sampdoria hanno trovato l'accordo, il talento di Bari Vecchia si trasferisce a Genova in prestito per un anno con diritto di riscatto. Il club ligure si accollerà però solo parte dell'oneroso ingaggio dell'attaccante: 1.2 milioni di euro. La restante parte (3 milioni) sarà ancora a carico delle 'merengues'. Il ds doriano Marotta ha commentato: "Ormai abbiamo superato tutti gli ostacoli. Crediamo molto in questa operazione". Mancano ancora le firme sul contratto, ma tutto dovrebbe risolversi entro domani.
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calciomercato.com
Warro Bantan
13-08-2007, 16:41
Guess we voted that we didnt want Cassano then huh? :dontkn: Not that I am disappointed we didnt get him...but its a moot debate at this point..
Tony there are some points where I have to disagree on a biggie, there is no way you can judge our actions like Reals. We are totally different, when was the last time you heard any other club coming out and saying that they are going to take us to fifa?
Real are just scum, they did it last year with Kaka until Galliani said how he was going to take it to Fifa and they done it this summer with Fabregas which made Wenger say that he will sue Madrid if they try anything again. They are just plain wrong, the way they act they way they handle their business is just dumb if you ask me. I can talk all night about how stupid they are for example the whole Ajax scenario when they apologized, when have you seen Milan act like this?
On another note its nice to see Samp getting Cassano as I always liked to see this guy in Italy again, I dont believe that other story tho about Real and Alves but if its true then they are going to be a pretty strong team.
Warro Bantan
13-08-2007, 16:45
27, so, if he comes, he will be 28. Yeah, ok, still pretty young by Milan standards! :D Thanks Hasan!
If Real buys Alves ( even though Calderon said he'd rather shot himself than buy another defender...not with these exact words though :) ) then another option is opened for Milan : Fabio Cannavaro
As things now stand, Sergio Ramos will play as RB. Sergio Ramos is a 21yo Spanish defender for whom Real payed 27m euro. Only this should be a guarantee that this boy must play regularly for Real.
In order to play Alves and Ramos together, Ramos will have to play a CD. If we take it for granted that Pepe will simply have to play all the time considering how much Calderon payed for him, then Cannavaro will find himself on the bench.
And because i don't see Canna on the bench, i must conclude that he'll ask for a transfer.
It all depends on Alves though. From what i read today, for now Chelsea leads this race because their offer , 35m euro, is higher than what Real offered.
Edit : Ahhhh, i missed Hasan's post.
So Real did buy Alves ?
In that case buy-buy Canna ...... or welcome Canna :)
They could play Alves further upfield or knowing Real just stick with Pepe, Cannavaro, Metzelder, Helguera as cbs and Ramos, Alves & Salgado as rbs
Warro Bantan
13-08-2007, 17:30
Though more pragmatic, I prefer your "version" Jim!! :D
with Sneijder and Drenthe, it would appear Baptista's opportunities would be even more limited now
They could play Alves further upfield or knowing Real just stick with Pepe, Cannavaro, Metzelder, Helguera as cbs and Ramos, Alves & Salgado as rbs
Helguera is in Valencia now, he's not with Real anymore while Salgado found himself on the transfer list. With Cicinho also close to an exit, Real can really keep both Alves and Ramos as Rb's but i don't see either of them on the bench.
And i also thought about Alves playing as a Rm. After Becks left i don't think they have a typical Rm anymore, do they ?
If they buy Robben then things will get more complicated ( i think Robben can also play as a right winger. Or is he playing only as a Left winger ?. But if he plays as a left winger, where will Sneijder play? ...boy, these Real are so complicated)
Could be that they'll play Alves like Dunga did in Coppa America. As a right side midfielder.
But are you guys sure Real bought Alves ? I can't find such info anywhere on the net.
If one can buy Cannavaro they shouldn't doubt but I have some mixed up feelings about this and I don't know why. :grinser:
What about the rumours concerning Milito and Di Natale?
Di Natale doesn't really make me warm but how about Milito?
Oh, and when does the trofeo TIM start?
Real has not bought Alves - yet... They are interested in him. And he is not included in Sevilla's CHL match tonight - in this way he is not cup tied, and can play in the competition for another team.
Oh, and when does the trofeo TIM start?
August 14 ,
First match : Juve-Inter at 20:30 CET ( 19:30 GMT)
Then Milan vs the losing team ( sometime around 21:30 CET) and then Milan vs the winner of the first match ( around 22:30 CET)
For those in American continent. East cost - 14:30 , West coast - 11:30
Il Real presta Cassano alla Sampdoria
21:50 del 13 agosto
cassano-golIl Real Madrid e la Sampdoria hanno trovato l'accordo, il talento di Bari Vecchia si trasferisce a Genova in prestito per un anno con diritto di riscatto. Il club ligure si accollerà però solo parte dell'oneroso ingaggio dell'attaccante: 1.2 milioni di euro. La restante parte (3 milioni) sarà ancora a carico delle 'merengues'. Il ds doriano Marotta ha commentato: "Ormai abbiamo superato tutti gli ostacoli. Crediamo molto in questa operazione". Mancano ancora le firme sul contratto, ma tutto dovrebbe risolversi entro domani.
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calciomercato.com
IMO we missed out. What's the risk in getting a player with his talent on loan with an option to buy ? Especially when we ARE thin up front. If he causes problems, ship him back. I might have thought it was cuz we don't want to deal with Real, but we ARE dealing with them for Emerson. We better be getting another striker somewhere or something.
slicknick
14-08-2007, 02:30
If one can buy Cannavaro they shouldn't doubt but I have some mixed up feelings about this and I don't know why. :grinser:
Is that because he is 34 already ???
When we would buy Cannavaro, it would be a 1-2 year solution. But we don't need that, so if we buy a defender let it be someone who can play with us for a long time. Because that's what we are going to need within a year.
Overall, I am glad we never got Cassano in the end. At the start, I too thought that this would be a no loss deal. Get a potential talent for free, see how he goes, then sell him if he flops. But after thinking about it, I realized that certain players can have a destabilizing influence on the team regardless. And I think Cassano with his attitude problem will do just that---regardless as to whether he plays regularly or no.
Believe me, the last thing we want before a big CL game are headlines about Cassano clashing with Carlo or Paolo during training. Or Cassano giving negative press conferences berating his teamates, etc..
So on balance, good riddance. As Arrigo Sacchi said, God gave him great feet, but only half a brain :)
hany.Egypt
14-08-2007, 03:34
Berlusconi and Moggi have a big history of "step from illegal" buying players. Juve got half of the players that way, by blackmailing the teams. Milan from the past....did you guys read the stories about how did Berlu got Donadoni and the role of the prostitutes in this purchase ? How did he get Lentini ?.
:eekani: Can any one explain this to me? As I dont have any idea.
rosoneri_11
14-08-2007, 03:38
Looks like Cassano is going to Samptoria.
Bye, bye Cassano! :kap:...................... :grinser:
Real could easily play
Ramos - Cannavaro - Metzelder - Marcelo
-------- Gago --------- Diarra ----------
-- Alves ------ Higuain -------- Robinho --
------------Van Nistelrooy -------------
Or something like that.
Any official word on Alves' transfer to Real? Or was it all talk like usual in the Spanish press channels?
English reports say he's being left out of the Seville side so he can move to Chelsea :yuck:
zlatanov
14-08-2007, 07:06
I think it was just the usual talk about Real having signed Alves - as genuine as that photo of Kaka :D
anyways, I think Chelski may well try to hold Real in check regarding Alves - both clubs are very interested in him - and the Londoners could play the Robben trump card basically telling Real, if you want Robben, you'll have to forget Alves.
Also, given how much they paid for him, I'd expect Pepe to get a starting spot at least in the beginning ... same goes for Sneijder.
My guess is Real would be playing a 4-3-3 formation with mid and attack looking like this:
Gago ---- Diarra ----- Sneijder
Robinho --------- Robben
--------- RVN -----------
There will be happy times in Real's dressing room with Raul, Guti, Robinho, Higuain, Baptista and presumably Robben too all fighting for the 2 spots behind the pure striker (RVN most probably will have his spot guaranteed if healthy) ... not to forget Saviola and Soldado too.
When did this forum turn into a Madrid one? :rolleyes:
When did this forum turn into a Madrid one? :rolleyes:
Most of the forums i visit turned into Madrid ones :)
No wonder...they are the only ones offering money for players lately.
When did this forum turn into a Madrid one? :rolleyes:
since milan summer mercato is closed we can only talk about other clubs transfers in the 'summer mercato' thread. :5ok:
since milan summer mercato is closed we can only talk about other clubs transfers in the 'summer mercato' thread. :5ok:
There are whole 17 days left until the market closes, I have hope in Dr. Galiani,bottom line
This is the slowest day in this mercato, by far.
In any other day Calciomercato had at least 20/30 news by this time of the day. Today they have only 5, with only 2 about transfers :
1. Josue, the Brazilian NT player who had a very good Coppa America, has signed for Wolfsburg
2. Tottenham sold Mido to Middlesbrough for ~9m euro
since milan summer mercato is closed we can only talk about other clubs transfers in the 'summer mercato' thread. :5ok:
lol yeh you have a point
zlatanov
14-08-2007, 08:16
2. Tottenham sold Mido to Middlesbrough for ~9m euro
it would be close to impossible to find a more eye-popping rip-off this summer :D
Maltese Charlie
14-08-2007, 09:15
Have good news!!!!
In Malasia Milan are winning 2-0 against Bayern.
Milan are playing very well.
rosoneri_11
14-08-2007, 09:29
Have good news!!!!
In Malasia Milan are winning 2-0 against Bayern.
Milan are playing very well.
Wich Milan? :rolleyes:
Wich Milan? :rolleyes:
The Youth Championship is taking place in Malasya.
The young Milan players are in the quarterfinals where they play against Bayern
The primaverra team, again two times Pierre Aubameyang.
Aubameyang is on fire but shame he didnt have such a great game in Moscow.
Aubameyang is on fire but shame he didnt have such a great game in Moscow.
That was Willy Aubameyang and it is Pierre Aubameyang, his brother, who is on fire.
hany.Egypt
14-08-2007, 09:50
it would be close to impossible to find a more eye-popping rip-off this summer
What does eye-popping mean?
I looked at the dictionary, but I did not find it.
Hasan Rossonero
14-08-2007, 09:55
What does eye-popping mean?
I looked at the dictionary, but I did not find it.
Something that shocks to the extent that your eyes pop out.
hany.Egypt
14-08-2007, 10:15
Something that shocks to the extent that your eyes pop out.
thanx hasan, and hope you are laughing off me like what happened last :zany: .
Be awre this time I will be soooo :d55: :grinser: .
Warro Bantan
14-08-2007, 10:39
hany, re Donadoni and the "prostitutes"...look back a couple of pages...Tony has a long post on it.
Hany. Egypt
look here for the story :
http://www.milanmania.com/forums/showpost.php?p=447960&postcount=8491
thomas_h
14-08-2007, 11:07
heyhey . . . our boy, Pierre Aubameyang, Willy`s brother, already scored 5 goals in 4 matches in the Youth Champions League . Alexandre Pato - Pierre Aubameyang, hahahaha, . . .
thomas_h
14-08-2007, 11:13
Prosegue l'ennesima telenovela di calciomercato dell'estate, quella che dovrebbe portare l'esterno brasiliano Cicinho a vestire la maglia della Roma. "Non so se il passaggio di Cicinho alla Roma si concludera', stiamo parlando", ha dichiarato oggi il direttore sportivo del Real Madrid, Predrag Mijatovic, raggiunto telefonicamente da 'Radio Radio'. "Voglio aiutare la societa' giallorossa, ma il mio compito e' anche quello di difendere gli interessi del Real", ha proseguito Mijatrovic. "Vedremo nei prossimi giorni". Il ds merengue ha anche parlato di Emerson, che sarebbe in procinto di passare al Milan. "Ha un contratto di due anni con noi, vedremo cosa succedera'", ha detto Mijatovic. "E' un gran giocatore e un gran professionista e se rimane a Madrid e' comunque una bella soluzione. Ha tanta esperienza e puo' aiutare il Real a vincere".
- Anybody, please translate . . . tHx -
-www.calciomercato.com-
zlatanov
14-08-2007, 11:20
the Emerson-related part is the usual PR bs:
"He has a contract with us for two more years, we'll see what will happen. Emerson is a great player and a great professional and if he remains at Madrid even that would be a fine solution. He has lots of experience and can help Real win"
Maltese Charlie
14-08-2007, 11:45
Real are playing the game to raise the price, but Milan are not going to move from their offer as they know they will win.
zlatanov
14-08-2007, 13:45
Alves seems close to signing for Chelski ... transfer fee would be close to 40 mil euros :rolleyes:
btw, there is a rumour that Riquelme's agent is in Milano ... maybe to meet with Milan officials, although Inter have also shown interst in him:
http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/index.php?action=read&id=71555
GilAttack [11]
14-08-2007, 13:57
Dani Alves joins Chelsea for 32M euros.
And Deco said that if he doesnt have place in Barcelona, he would like to leave and sign elsewhere.
Hasan Rossonero
14-08-2007, 14:17
Looks like my TVE source was bogus. :rolleyes:
zlatanov
14-08-2007, 14:22
Looks like my TVE source was bogus. :rolleyes:
yeah, first time Spanish media gets it wrong, ha? :grinser:
btw, I don't think the transfer is official yet ... the latest I read was that the two parties are very close to an agreement (in the 40 mil range)
Hasan Rossonero
14-08-2007, 14:27
Alves seems close to signing for Chelski ... transfer fee would be close to 40 mil euros :rolleyes:
btw, there is a rumour that Riquelme's agent is in Milano ... maybe to meet with Milan officials, although Inter have also shown interst in him:
http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/index.php?action=read&id=71555
What do you reckon?
Is he going to come to us or no?
I would think not, but who knows.
What do you reckon?
Is he going to come to us or no?
I would think not, but who knows.
I'd say he's on his way to Inter.
Warro Bantan
14-08-2007, 14:40
So ThrusT...is that your pic beside Galliani´s in your avatar? :D
zlatanov
14-08-2007, 14:43
What do you reckon?
Is he going to come to us or no?
I would think not, but who knows.
not sure how true it was but I read a couple of days ago that once it became clear that JR won't be staying at Boca, he has moved towards getting a Spanish pass and he could get it quickly (presumably before 31st).
I mention this as obviously if JR doesn't become a EU player, Milan can't get go for him even if they wanted to (unless we hold off Pato for another half a season, which is highly unlikely).
Should JR gets his EU pass, I think he is an alternative to Baptista given that if JB comes to Milan, he would play either as a striker or an offensive mid, while Riquelme's arrival will allow Carlo to play the ARgentinian in attacking mid with kaka pushed further up as a striker, in case of emergency.
The problem I see with this however is that an attacking mid with Seedorf and Riquelme could be a bit too slow for carlo's liking (he got used to some pretty quick moves with kaka in there and that was one of the reasons why Rui was benched with the arrival of the brazilian) ...
that's what makes me think that if it is up to carlo, he would prefer Baptista over Riquelme as no matter how we use JB - as striker or attcking mid - he is a more energetic, and faster player than Riquelme.
IF however real continues to be playing hardball for JB, I think Riquelme could well become a target for us ... and maybe he already has.
This being said, I would think that it is Inter who is the Milan club more seriosuly following Riquelme, for obvious reasons ;)
Warro Bantan
14-08-2007, 15:01
Good points Zlat, which for some strange reason :grinser: I agree with!
So ThrusT...is that your pic beside Galliani´s in your avatar? :D
Actually it's Galliani's twin brother.. :grinser:
Btw Rui Costa is doing great at Benfica, Galliani get him back! :grinser:
God I miss him. :mad:
Egoistka
14-08-2007, 18:51
I heard that Milan is interested in buying Mauri of Lazio. Did anyone else hear anything about that?
I heard that Milan is interested in buying Mauri of Lazio. Did anyone else hear anything about that?
He played tonight in CL so unless Milan plan to play him only in domestic league this season then i find it hard to believe the rumors
Egoistka
14-08-2007, 19:31
He played tonight in CL so unless Milan plan to play him only in domestic league this season then i find it hard to believe the rumors
I was actally thinking of the same thing...BTW Lazio played very bad tonight...I was shocked actually. I dont think that they are ready for CL.
I think another list of players is sent in September so even if he plays qualies he can be re-registered with another team. I'm not 100% on that though.
zlatanov
14-08-2007, 19:56
I think another list of players is sent in September so even if he plays qualies he can be re-registered with another team. I'm not 100% on that though.
it UEFA rules that forbid one player to play for two teams in the same CL competition, including qualifiers, sp Mauri is indeed no longer eligible to play in this year's Cl for any other team but Lazio.
For the same reason Alves is expected to not feature for Sevilla so that Chelski can use him in the CL should the transfer go thru.
thomas_h
14-08-2007, 20:54
Alves to Chelsea, Robben to Madrid, . . . Emerson & Baptista ( maybe ) to Milan, hhahahahaha
Alves to Chelsea, Robben to Madrid, . . . Emerson & Baptista ( maybe ) to Milan, hhahahahaha
0 titles for chelsea, 1 domestic league title for madrid, 1 champions league title for milan, hahahaha. Its not the team with the best players that wins, its simply the best team.
Kaka--7thUCL
14-08-2007, 22:40
Well simply the best team should then get the best players aye? guess not.
Kaka--7thUCL
14-08-2007, 22:46
We have to get real though, at the most we're going to sign Emerson, we don't need anyone, we just needed form, we've now found it so im content, we will win it all this year, we beat bayern, juve, we are the best now and always, we dont need anyone seriusly, who do we need? we have class in every position :) Even being the youth team whom beat bayern, all those players will one day be at milan :) Hopefully the real milan can beat them htough :S
Hasan Rossonero
14-08-2007, 22:57
Gazzetta says Emerson to Milan is a done deal (loan).
Jonathan Chan
14-08-2007, 23:06
Gazzetta says Emerson to Milan is a done deal (loan).
Thanks for the news Hasan! Do you have the original link of this news? Thanks in advance.
Great squad addition, he can rotate with Pirlo/Rino/Ambro in those less important games without a great drop of ability. He's definitely an upgrade to Brocchi, and very needed depth addition in DM department.
zlatanov
14-08-2007, 23:36
the news is on the gazzetta paper but will appear only later in the day on the website (calciomercato section).
It basically says that Galliani had a dinner with Mijatovic and an agreement was reached for a loan deal with a buy-out clause in it. It goes on to add that the the actual sum Milan will pay now to real is yet to be determined, though ... so I guess we shoudl be a little patient before eveything is offically done and dusted.
Of course, there is always the meed for such articles to be taken with some caution. in the first place :)
Jonathan Chan
14-08-2007, 23:44
Thanks Zlat for the info. :)
P.S. I am mainly a reader of this forum, still I always enjoy reading your posts Zlatanov! Great points of view all the time. Especially considering many posters here actually moan about the ''loss'' of the likes of F.Torres and Sneijder, and the blind objection to Emerson...
It basically says that Galliani had a dinner with Mijatovic and an agreement was reached ...
Of course, there is always the meed for such articles to be taken with some caution. in the first place :)
Exactly. It sounds like having a dinner together will settle everything in the world lol.
rosoneri_11
15-08-2007, 03:17
Sorry off topic.But for good news.
Kaka was voted as the player of the year from UEFA.
http://www.uefa.com/fanzone/pots/index.html
BRAVO RICKY!
Kaka1899
15-08-2007, 03:19
Exactly. It sounds like having a dinner together will settle everything in the world lol.
is that all Galliani does has dinner with people :D
Well he's not paid to make good transfers.
Maltese Charlie
15-08-2007, 03:47
the news is on the gazzetta paper but will appear only later in the day on the website (calciomercato section).
It basically says that Galliani had a dinner with Mijatovic and an agreement was reached for a loan deal with a buy-out clause in it. It goes on to add that the the actual sum Milan will pay now to real is yet to be determined, though ... so I guess we shoudl be a little patient before eveything is offically done and dusted.
Of course, there is always the meed for such articles to be taken with some caution. in the first place :)
Zlat, where is the need?
My cristal ball said it all 3 days ago!!! (although I was accused that I was quick) :grinser: :grinser:
I'm sure you like to have a ball for yourself, if so just let me know. I send to you a REPLIKA, as the original I'll keep it for myself. :uhm:
Just kidding!!!!! :diablo: :diablo:
Hm...last night I had a weird dream about Galliani presenting new Milanista - Wayne Rooney :rolleyes:
Hm...last night I had a weird dream about Galliani presenting new Milanista - Wayne Rooney :rolleyes:
lol you had me in stitches there
from ACMilan.com:
L'A.C.Milan smentisce di aver acquisito le prestazioni del giocatore Emerson. Non è stato possibile trovare l'accordo economico fra le due società. La trattativa è saltata.
The transfer from Emerson doesn't go through because it wasn't possible to find an economical agreement.
ULTIMA ORA - EMERSON: TRATTATIVA SALTATA
15/08/2007
MILANO - L'A.C.Milan smentisce di aver acquisito le prestazioni del giocatore Emerson. Non è stato possibile trovare l'accordo economico fra le due società. La trattativa è saltata. | |
source; AC MILAN OFFCIAL WEBSITE
That means that Real and Milan disagreed about the transfer fee. Milan opted out for this transfer! i.e Emerson bye bye!!
Thank God. No more puma talks. muck player.
Thank God. No more puma talks. muck player.
Ok, if Puma failed to come, bring Ronaldinho or Deco! :grinser:
:( I wanted someone new in Milan, Emerson is a good palyer he can help us out in serie a. Well, there is still Motta hope aguess... Im 110% sure we do need another midfielder.
Oh, one more thing... Abramovic just payed 32 mln for Alves AND for Milan's European Supercup as Sevilla will not a half of a team they were with Alves.
about alves, chelsea denies the move so far... (its the question of time really)
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=383429
about our mercato, seem like fred is giving up on lyon? He is brazilian so why is milan waiting? ;)
http://eurosport.yahoo.com/15082007/58/ligue-1-fred-wants-lyon.html
zlatanov
15-08-2007, 06:06
Zlat, where is the need?
My cristal ball said it all 3 days ago!!! (although I was accused that I was quick) :grinser:
I'm sure you like to have a ball for yourself, if so just let me know. I send to you a REPLIKA, as the original I'll keep it for myself. :uhm:
Just kidding!!!!! :diablo: :diablo:
If you are gonna be sending me a crystal ball, Charlie, please make sure it's different from the one you have been using for Emerson ... otherwise, save yourself the shipping fees :grinser:
tgcom says that the negotiations are still open and that Real have tried to include Baptista in the deal for Emerson ... in fact ASS is claiming that the two clubs have reached an agreement over Baptista and all that's left is get the approval of the player (it's on tuttomercato quoted from AS.com).
AS says that it was actually Milan to make the an offer of 14 mil for Baptista, which Mijatovic is believed to have accepted (not 100% on that as my Spanish could be playing games with me here :D) and that seems to be the reason for Galliani to go to Madrid ... AS also claim that the two sides still haven't agreed on a fee for Emerson.
Here is the article from AS:
http://www.as.com/articulo/futbol/Milan/da/catorce/millones/Baptista/dasftb/20070815dasdaiftb_23/Tes/
So, maybe Baptista was the reason for the romantic dinner at that Madrid restaurant ... it's about time AS wrote a true story, me thinks :D
Regarding Emerson, Milan are probably playing tough given that the transfer deadline is closing in and they want to make Real realize that we are not desperate for another mid and not just any price would do ... actually, both clubs are playing the same game as yesterday Mijatovic said that even if Emerson remains at Madrid, it would be just fine for them.
I think as the deadline closes in, an agreement will be reached.
about our mercato, seem like fred is giving up on lyon? He is brazilian so why is milan waiting? ;)
http://eurosport.yahoo.com/15082007/58/ligue-1-fred-wants-lyon.html
Fred is not a EU player hence the waiting :diablo:
P.S. @ Jonathan Chan - thanks for the kind words, Jonathan :)
Also Fred isn't that good, which could be another reason why we don't want him.
Baptista & Emerson on loan would be ideal, i'm not fully convinced by either of them just yet. Maybe we can also get Maicon to see sense and join the ever growing Brazilian contingent :D
hany.Egypt
15-08-2007, 06:21
thanks Tony29 and Warro Bantan, I send the post after reading tony's post directly, then I found it later.
Thanks any way
Hasan Rossonero
15-08-2007, 06:33
So one thing these events do prove is that there were indeed negotiations for Emerson. Personally, I am sort of relieved, though I have a feeling that there is another twist yet.
Well, hopefully we'll still sign someone. At least the club won't be held to ransom.
zambrotta, appiah (if he hasn't moved while i was away) & baptista on loan ... do it!
zlatanov
15-08-2007, 07:25
zambrotta, appiah (if he hasn't moved while i was away) & baptista on loan ... do it!
unless appiah has a EU pass that Galliani and Co have forgotten about, I suggest you rewrite your letter to Santa ... do it! :D
But one interesting thing about Appiah is that he won't play tonight for Fenerbahce in CL against Anderlecht.
I don't know what's the reason he's not playing but maybe it's because some other CL participant is waiting to get him? Nevertheless, that team won't be Milan because of the very simple reason Zlat mentions in the above post :)
I'm sure Galliani can suddenly produce some Italian grandparents for Appiah. What's the problem? :grinser:
zlatanov
15-08-2007, 09:22
I'm sure Galliani can suddenly produce some Italian grandparents for Appiah. What's the problem? :grinser:
the italian-grandparents factory was busted and closed down several years ago thanks to Cragnoti and Sensi pushing its pruduction output way beyond the limit :nervous:
:grinser:
He did play in Italy for some years. Surely he could've been given some immunity.
hitmannq8
15-08-2007, 09:50
Didn't Gazzetta say this was a done deal? Tsk tsk tsk, I tell you guys Gazzetta might be a bit more reliable than the rest but by just 1%.
I still await the big-name striker that they have promised since January.
I'm sure Galliani can suddenly produce some Italian grandparents for Appiah. What's the problem? :grinser:
Well, Appiah does look like an Italian.
Typical Tuscany looks.
I wouldn't be surprised if his grand-grand-grand-grandparents were close friends or were related to Leonardo da Vinci, Michelangelo Buonarroti or Dante Alighieri. Hey, i wouldn't be surprised if he's a direct successor of Leonardo or Michelangelo.
thomas_h
15-08-2007, 10:35
hello anyone . . . If we`re not getting Emerson and then who else ???????????????????????? I`m a bit desperate here . C`mon Mr Galliani & Mr Braida ! Time is running out ! mr Motta & mr Baptista will be our last hope
Hasan Rossonero
15-08-2007, 10:46
Didn't Gazzetta say this was a done deal? Tsk tsk tsk, I tell you guys Gazzetta might be a bit more reliable than the rest but by just 1%.
I still await the big-name striker that they have promised since January.
Ronaldo? Pato? :grinser:
I don't think any more strikers are coming :|.
As for Gazzetta, not only you but most of the forum has been unimpressed with them.
I just read it and post it here. In the past their website has always been very reliable, and, like I've said, they have a great reputation.
I think, however, that the recent breakdown in the Emerson deal is just a strategy by Milan. But we shall see. It would be nice, however, to once in a while close a transfer without it being painfully dragged on and on (even though I am not over the moon about Emerson's transfer). :nervous:
the italian-grandparents factory was busted and closed down several years ago thanks to Cragnoti and Sensi pushing its pruduction output way beyond the limit :nervous:
:grinser:
Damn those two! They always were too greedy!! Maybe Galliani can start a new grandparent factory or something. Appiah could pass for Norwegian couldn't he? :D
He did play in Italy for some years. Surely he could've been given some immunity.
You're right, he joined Udinese in 1997 and only left Juventus in 2005. That surely means he is eligible for an Italian passport doesn't it?
I still await the big-name striker that they have promised since January.
I think you might be waiting for a long time. Like Hasan eluded to, Ronaldo is apparently like a brand new signing, even though he's been with us for 6 months :rolleyes: :grinser:
Well, Appiah does look like an Italian.
Typical Tuscany looks.
I wouldn't be surprised if his grand-grand-grand-grandparents were close friends or were related to Leonardo da Vinci, Michelangelo Buonarroti or Dante Alighieri. Hey, i wouldn't be surprised if he's a direct successor of Leonardo or Michelangelo.
Tony made a joke ... haha :rotfl: Or were you being sarcastic? It's hard to tell :guw:
Kaka--7thUCL
15-08-2007, 11:44
Well apparently, were in good form right now, I'm good with current squad, but I still only want one player -- r10
Warro Bantan
15-08-2007, 11:44
So the Emerson deal fell thru? Why am I not surprised? :rollani:
After they sold Ronaldo to us, and with his "sudden" return to form, I doubt Real would want to sell us any more of their players they think are past it, or have no use for, as suddenly, they would come to Milan and regain their old form...
Further, something tells me that Real and Milan will meet in this season´s UCL, and I think Real have that feeling as well, hence their reluctance to sell us anyone...or do they think that we will overpay for everyone like they do?.....the fools.
Kaka--7thUCL
15-08-2007, 11:46
Hm...last night I had a weird dream about Galliani presenting new Milanista - Wayne Rooney :rolleyes:
Clearly why it was a dream :zany:
remote2book
15-08-2007, 12:52
so ummmmmm iam pretty dissapointed....
Warro Bantan
15-08-2007, 14:33
Good news for Milan fans:
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/aug15n.html
This could be a very significant "non-move" for the summer!
today, sheva again did not start for chelsea, does it mean he is busy packing up and ready for departure?
Warro Bantan
15-08-2007, 15:18
today, sheva again did not start for chelsea, does it mean he is busy packing up and ready for departure? I for one, hope not. He can stay at Chelski with his Russian friend, and english speaking kids. :tired:
Hasan Rossonero
15-08-2007, 15:24
today, sheva again did not start for chelsea, does it mean he is busy packing up and ready for departure?
No, because Sheva doesn't have EU status.
thats what he gets for not having "the stones" and listening to his wife.
look at this picture, he didnt want to leave.
have fun riding the oak...behind pizarro?
i feel nothing but pity for the man...
Hasan Rossonero
15-08-2007, 15:46
thats what he gets for not having "the stones" and listening to his wife.
look at this picture, he didnt want to leave.
have fun riding the oak...behind pizarro?
i feel nothing but pity for the man...
Are you a Grateful Dead fan?
I think some of us are a little bit too harsh
Sheva will always be a legend - lets remember the good times not the bad the second highest scorer for our club just behind Nordhal.
Are you a Grateful Dead fan?
yes...for over 20 yrs...
and for the record:
i wish he could come back. i dont have any hard feelings, just that he should not have left in the first place.
to quote jerry garcia:
...the wine aint sweeter, the grass aint greener, either side of the hill..."
(ramble on rose)
Warro Bantan
15-08-2007, 16:01
I think some of us are a little bit too harsh
Sheva will always be a legend - lets remember the good times not the bad the second highest scorer for our club just behind Nordhal. Yes, but he also betrayed our trust, something Nordhal didnt do....its one thing to talk the talk, but another to walk the walk...and he walked...to Chelski.
If he does return (which is extremely doubtful) then, I will welcome his goals, but nothing else...as long as he delivers to our expectations and scores goals for his pay, then thats all good...and thats how it would be for me...he is nothing more than an employee...and no where near the "hero" status that Kaka, Clarence, Rino, Nesta etc enjoy.
Hasan Rossonero
15-08-2007, 16:04
yes...for over 20 yrs...
Good stuff.
I went to prep school in Massachusetts, and they were huge there.
I can't say I particularly like or dislike them. 20 years...that's something. I was just getting into football 20 years ago.
Warro Bantan
15-08-2007, 16:05
i feel nothing but pity for the man...Pity? I feel nothing but contempt on a good day, on a bad day, I feel nothing.
Yes, but he also betrayed our trust, something Nordhal didnt do....its one thing to talk the talk, but another to walk the walk...and he walked...to Chelski.
If he does return (which is extremely doubtful) then, I will welcome his goals, but nothing else...as long as he delivers to our expectations and scores goals for his pay, then thats all good...and thats how it would be for me...he is nothing more than an employee...and no where near the "hero" status that Kaka, Clarence, Rino, Nesta etc enjoy.
:respect: :respect: :respect:
He looks like "can I have a turn please Mr Mourinho" in that pic :D
@ Milan he used to be like "put me on so I can save your sorry asses again Carlo"
Yes, but he also betrayed our trust, something Nordhal didnt do....its one thing to talk the talk, but another to walk the walk...and he walked...to Chelski.
If he does return (which is extremely doubtful) then, I will welcome his goals, but nothing else...as long as he delivers to our expectations and scores goals for his pay, then thats all good...and thats how it would be for me...he is nothing more than an employee...and no where near the "hero" status that Kaka, Clarence, Rino, Nesta etc enjoy.
He betrayed all of us thats the truth and to be honest it really hurt last year. Warro I was in the same position like you and I know how you felt but look at us now we're the kings of Europe, I had a big grudge against him early last season but its all gone now I still have respect for him. We are talking of a player who had many good times with us and handed us the Scuddeto and the CL a few years back. He has done more for Milan than I or any other fan could do, thats the way people should be thinking.
His football career is going in a downward direction but come the next young generation of Milan fans, im sure they will hear Shevas name and they will watch videos of him in Milan not in Chelsea or any other team but Milan because he spent the best part of his football career with us, i dont want them to look at how we treated him because they will feel the same, instead I want them to respect him like we should do.
He betrayed all of us thats the truth and to be honest it really hurt last year. Warro I was in the same position like you and I know how you felt but look at us now we're the kings of Europe, I had a big grudge against him early last season but its all gone now I still have respect for him. We are talking of a player who had many good times with us and handed us the Scuddeto and the CL a few years back. He has done more for Milan than I or any other fan could do, thats the way people should be thinking.
His football career is going in a downward direction but come the next young generation of Milan fans, im sure they will hear Shevas name and they will watch videos of him in Milan not in Chelsea or any other team but Milan because he spent the best part of his football career with us, i dont want them to look at how we treated him because they will feel the same, instead I want them to respect him like we should do.
Er...er.....er :respect: :respect: :respect:
I guess we should be classier than to hate him for his mistake.....I mean we all make them + I'll finally get to see my dream attack of Sheva-Ronaldo...the most complete attack ever......well sort of...two years ago for sure..but now... :dontkn:
Warro Bantan
15-08-2007, 16:47
...I still have respect for him. We are talking of a player who had many good times with us and handed us the Scuddeto and the CL a few years back. He has done more for Milan than I or any other fan could do, thats the way people should be thinking.
His football career is going in a downward direction ...i dont want them to look at how we treated him because they will feel the same, instead I want them to respect him like we should do. They will of course respect him, as in truth, I do...I respect him as a player, with vast talent, who unfortunately made a mistake late in his career...I do indeed respect him, I just:
a) Dont really want him back in Milan colours,
b) Wont accord him "hero" status...thats for Maldini, Weah, Rui Costa, etc.
c) Continue to hope that he starts to perform for Chelsea...but only in the EPL of course, not in Europe. :diablo:
Nuff said? :dontkn:
Graeme C
15-08-2007, 17:08
we still have a eu spot as it were, technically could another seria A side sign him, then sheva move to us?
kastriot
15-08-2007, 17:13
They will of course respect him, as in truth, I do...I respect him as a player, with vast talent, who unfortunately made a mistake late in his career...I do indeed respect him, I just:
a) Dont really want him back in Milan colours,
b) Wont accord him "hero" status...thats for Maldini, Weah, Rui Costa, etc.
c) Continue to hope that he starts to perform for Chelsea...but only in the EPL of course, not in Europe. :diablo:
Nuff said? :dontkn:
Completely agree with Warro...... Love him,worship him,respect him,hate if if u want... but lets just move on, Its not like i`f heard that his saying his made a mistake and wants to turn back... his stated that his happy in London. lets leaf it that way...
It hurt a lot, but milan is a team orientated club, not player orientated......We indeed were successfull since he left.....
Russo-Neri
15-08-2007, 19:23
yes...for over 20 yrs...
and for the record:
i wish he could come back. i dont have any hard feelings, just that he should not have left in the first place.
to quote jerry garcia:
...the wine aint sweeter, the grass aint greener, either side of the hill..."
(ramble on rose)
Love the Avatar! Favorite show?
I know it's probably overhyped, but May 8, 1977 is it for me! I have almost every show on cd from '77 (incredible year for them) but the 5/8 show feels the most "complete". After 5/8/77 then #2 would be the 8/13/75 - My favorite version of my favorite GD song(s) Help->Slipknot. That and Sage and Spirit are just beautiful...
And by your name, I'm guessing your a phish fan too?
Very interesting article with Roy Keane giving his opinion about players who let their women run their lives :D
http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=afp-fblengprsunderlandkeane&prov=afp&type=lgns
Love the Avatar! Favorite show?
I know it's probably overhyped, but May 8, 1977 is it for me! I have almost every show on cd from '77 (incredible year for them) but the 5/8 show feels the most "complete". After 5/8/77 then #2 would be the 8/13/75 - My favorite version of my favorite GD song(s) Help->Slipknot. That and Sage and Spirit are just beautiful...
And by your name, I'm guessing your a phish fan too?
really enjoyed the phish,
favorite show i saw was pittsburgh 87 w/ the neville bros...
its hard to argue with 5/8/77 though the h>s>f from 5/9 is pretty nice as well.
we should move this into a favorite band thread...
cr7... red carded?
tevez looks good...nani doesnt
Arildonardo
16-08-2007, 05:53
Summer mercato isn't going too well for us, and it's easy to see by reading the posts in this thread lately... Lots of off-topic stuff. :dielaugh:
So how long do you have to have played/lived in Italy to get an Italian passport?
i have no big problem with our transfer campaign, i fully trust our management. My only objection is we have too many defenders. we should have added one more midfielder instead, he does not have to be a star player.
Unless if ancelotti plans to use janku, cafu, serginho or kaladze playing as a midfielder occasionally.
So even me still injured in a degree, i was away for 3 days for swimming but we didn't get any player. I heard that Cassano finally joined Samptoria is it true?....
rosoneri_11
16-08-2007, 06:51
I heard that Cassano finally joined Samptoria is it true?....
Ye it is Giorgos.
King tiger
16-08-2007, 08:15
http://goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=384101
:D :D :D
Tony my man, are you ready for tonight?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnD4D3xA6rw :) Sampdoria is going down!!
Tony my man, are you ready for tonight?? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnD4D3xA6rw :) Sampdoria is going down!!
If during this day i get into some stupid fight with some of you, please forgive me because i'm so nervous because of this match. :)
Luckily Cassano won't play tonight and he won't play in the return match. I still hate him for what he did to us 4 years ago with Roma.
1st leg : Roma-Hajduk 1:0 (Cassano 92 minute)
2nd leg : Hajduk-Roma 1:1 (Bule 33 minute, Cassano 85 minute)
It's revenge time :diablo:
Two players from Popy absoluely prfect for ACM.
1-Nick Cranjaar, midfielder
2-Benjani, Zimbabwian striker :5ok:
Ezy to get and not waste of money :bri:
Warro Bantan
16-08-2007, 10:26
So, now we are to buy players from a mid table (at best) EPL team? Oh, I forget, mzk is the best pundit, and has the best eye for talent at MM....
YES GALLIANI!!! Please listen to zeekay! He has two wonderful talents for us!! :grinser:
King tiger
16-08-2007, 10:33
Two players from Popy absoluely prfect for ACM.
1-Nick Cranjaar, midfielder
2-Benjani, Zimbabwian striker :5ok:
Ezy to get and not waste of money :bri:
croatian:Niko Kranjcar
zeekay: Nick Cranjaar
:pray
Stezagud
16-08-2007, 10:35
Krancjar would do very well in Italy imho, he isnt mobile enough for the EPL but his technical abilty is excellent. He could be useful cover at Milan but a more likely level would be Serie A UEFA Cup sides for now, with the potential to move up later.
Benjani is rubbish though, i guess Zeekay thinks scoring against Utd makes him good but for those who watch more regularly than that he is possibly Pompey's 4th choice striker!
Pompey have a billionaire arms dealer owner too so neither would be that easy to get ;)
Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeaseeeeee do not EVER, EVER say this again about Kranjcar and Milan! Kranjcar in Milan is my personal night mare! This man cant run for 50 minutes!! He is not Prosinecki so he can walk on the field and still play for Madrid and Barca :)
Warro Bantan
16-08-2007, 10:40
Oh thats what he is...always wondered where he got his money from...thanks for the education Stez!
slicknick
16-08-2007, 10:49
I've seen both in flesh and trust me, they are not Milan material by any means... Though I would with Zeekay on the fact that they are easy to get :zany:
Graeme C
16-08-2007, 11:13
So how long do you have to have played/lived in Italy to get an Italian passport?
i lived in Italy for 3/4 years, i just spoke to my parents and they think it could be 10 years. If Shevas son was born in italy he could get in that way..
Kranjcar = No
Benjani = No
Come on Zeekay, you can do better than that :grinser:
kastriot
16-08-2007, 11:22
Kranjcar = No
Benjani = No
Come on Zeekay, you can do better than that :grinser:
If Kranjcar can`t come...do you give your YES for MODRIC???? :grinser:
If Kranjcar can`t come...do you give your YES for MODRIC???? :grinser:
Modric? No idea who he is ... i say no to him too :guw:
ZvonimirVukic
16-08-2007, 11:36
MODRIC... i hope he can come...he plays for Dinamo Zagreb and he is in top 20 midfilders in the world
MODRIC... i hope he can come...he plays for Dinamo Zagreb and he is in top 20 midfilders in the world
i don't think he can crack top 20 in serie a never mind the world.
Stezagud
16-08-2007, 11:55
Arsenal have been trailing Modric for ages and i always buy him on Champ Manager too, these 2 facts mean we should definately buy him ;)
he is in top 20 midfilders in the world
With the greatest respect, i find that a little hard to believe :grinser:
Yesterday he outplayed Diego for sure... but nevermind him now.
Are we back in for Motta or???
Warro Bantan
16-08-2007, 12:30
Who knos mrki...the Italian press is off on holiday...so we are mostly in the dark..and theGuardian, for example in the UK, has nothing on Italy so...:dontkn:
So, now we are to buy players from a mid table (at best) EPL team? Oh, I forget, mzk is the best pundit, and has the best eye for talent at MM....
YES GALLIANI!!! Please listen to zeekay! He has two wonderful talents for us!! :grinser:
Well u see apart from the terrible d!da :wallbang: we have perfect starting team :5ok: We just need replacements and ppl like Eto'o, Ronaldinho, David Villa, Messi cant be just replacments :bri: and on the other hand I am happy with the likes of Seedorf, Ambro, Inzaghi, Janku, GILA & Gourcoff :5ok:
So Benjani will be an ideal signning since we already lost Phil Jagielka & no chance of Morton Gamst Pederson coming :mad:
Well u see apart from the terrible d!da :wallbang: we have perfect starting team :5ok: We just need replacements and ppl like Eto'o, Ronaldinho, David Villa, Messi cant be just replacments :bri: and on the other hand I am happy with the likes of Seedorf, Ambro, Inzaghi, Janku, GILA & Gourcoff :5ok:
So Benjani will be an ideal signning since we already lost Phil Jagielka & no chance of Morton Gamst Pederson coming :mad:
Warro I think the stuff you're selling mzk is a bit too strong :D
Warro Bantan
16-08-2007, 14:00
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh dru!! :rollani: you are supposed to PM that sort of stuff to me...plus, I only sell the strongest...who knew he couldnt handle it? ;)
Though to be honest, the above is one of his better posts..must have sent him the himalayan blue...suppsed to "aid thinking and improve cognitive functions"...at least, thats what the label says :D
Edit: Well, everything except the first and last lines that it... :5ok:
Benjani is rubbish
A Man Utd fan saying that doesn't surprize me bcoz his goal last night put Man Utd out of the title race :pp20: He was excellent :5ok:
I BET, he will perform better than ur legendary Luis Saha this season :bri:
Though to be honest, the above is one of his better posts..must have sent him the himalayan blue...suppsed to "aid thinking and improve cognitive functions"...at least, thats what the label says
Edit: Well, everything except the first and last lines that it... :5ok:
I think it's safe to say that he takes the 'sense' out of the 'sensi' :zany:
Stezagud
16-08-2007, 14:11
So Benjani will be an ideal signning since we already lost Phil Jagielka & no chance of Morton Gamst Pederson coming
I still cant believe we lost Jagielka! :mad:
;)
The best Everton players are Lescott and Arteta, both of them could move to the top level. As Moyes said, Arteta is now a mix of Spanish technique and English aggression, its a strange mix but it works, it worked for Gattuso as he came back from Scotland with a barbarian attitude to add to his Italian tactical awareness :D
Lescott is a very solid defender with no obvious weakness, he had problems with knee injuries early in his career which is the only reason he hasnt had international honours (the local rumour was always that he was actually kneecapped after messing with the wrong girl! :eek: )
MGP is strongly linked with Arsenal too but Milan could bully them if they really wanted him, he is good no doubt but tactically not a great fit for Milan anyway.
A Man Utd fan saying that doesn't surprize me bcoz his goal last night put Man Utd out of the title race :pp20: He was excellent :5ok:
I BET, he will perform better than ur legendary Luis Saha this season :bri:
:eekani: Of course you do know that there is no title race in the second round of play right? :stupid:
Warro Bantan
16-08-2007, 14:21
:eekani: Of course you do know that there is no title race in the second round me play right? :stupid: Now if you continue posting this sort of drivel, I will refuse any more money from you sirrah!
:mad: :grinser:
Stezagud
16-08-2007, 14:26
A Man Utd fan saying that doesn't surprize me bcoz his goal last night put Man Utd out of the title race He was excellent
I BET, he will perform better than ur legendary Luis Saha this season
Yes you're totally right, i was saying he was rubbish because of that and not because of his brilliant strike rate of 9 in 49 games ;) Dont you think if he was even half decent Portsmouth would have put their faith in him instead of buying 2 more strikers this summer???
As for Saha, he outscored Benjani last year even though he spent most of the year with the physio! he is 10 times then player Benjani is and IF he can maintain his fitness he will easily outscore him yet again.
uh-oh, Sampdoria are winning. Poor Tony :( :D
Zeekay should be on tv. I'd pay to listen to him commentate/analyse matches :rotfl:
Warro Bantan
16-08-2007, 15:51
I doubt Tony wouldnt bet on Samp to win though Jim....he is too muh of a pundit to make that mistake...betting wise that is! (Poor soul already made a mistake in supporting Juve, but we wont hold that against him :D )
Zeekay should be on tv. I'd pay to listen to him commentate/analyse matches :rotfl:
Imagine him sitting next to Andy Gray on Sky sports or Gary Lineker on Match of the day. What would be even more comical would be when Andy is talking about a team and using his pen which he uses ti mark the screen Zeekay should snatch the pen and say "Im the pundit, this is how it should of been done"
Is there any more news on our transfers, I was reading the Pato interview and he mentioned carlos eduardo who plays for gremio (We were linked with him some time ago), however I doubt he has a eu passport so we could cross him off the list or just buy him and loan him out.
http://goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=385062
I doubt Tony wouldnt bet on Samp to win though Jim....he is too muh of a pundit to make that mistake...betting wise that is! (Poor soul already made a mistake in supporting Juve, but we wont hold that against him :D )
It's been an awful month for me betting wise. I lost close to 4 digit number (in euro). If someone watched Rabotnicki-Zrinjski in UEFA Cup today he will know how unlucky i am lately. Hosts were missing open goal at least 4 times.
Of course i took a bet on Hajduk-Sampdoria, and i won it :) ( i had a bet that no more than 2 goals will be scored)
And i'm not angry or anything. I was nervous before the match but not during or after it. Croat vs Italian team were playing. I didn't have high expectations anyway and i was only hoping for a surprise.
Those who support minor teams know what am i talking about. It's not so hard for Reggina supporter when his team will lose from Milan or Juve.
:)
Tony where do u bet ...if u dont mind telling me
Tony where do u bet ...if u dont mind telling me
If you live in USA you won't be able to bet at the bookies i use. You have some restriction there and you can only bet here :
http://www.thegreek.com/
I have accounts in many bookies (I use www.sportingbet.com and www.gamebookers.com when i play more than 1 match on a ticket but when i play singles with bigger money then i use www.Pinnaclesports.com because they offer only singles and they are the most reliable)
Here we also have many local bookies (probably around 10 different bookies) and sometimes i bet there.
Btw, Milan's sponsors www.Bwin.com are in the black list of every serious betting man. They limit your stakes if you start winning (they don't let me put more than 8 euro on a ticket) and you have to wait an eternity until they transfer the money to your credit card.
But like i said, people in the USA can not bet online, except in this bookie i gave you and few more not reliable bookies.
If you live in USA you won't be able to bet at the bookies i use. You have some restriction there and you can only bet here :
http://www.thegreek.com/
I have accounts in many bookies (I use www.sportingbet.com and www.gamebookers.com when i play more than 1 match on a ticket but when i play singles with bigger money then i use www.Pinnaclesports.com because they offer only singles and they are the most reliable)
Here we also have many local bookies (probably around 10 different bookies) and sometimes i bet there.
Btw, Milan's sponsors www.Bwin.com are in the black list of every serious betting man. They limit your stakes if you start winning (they don't let me put more than 8 euro on a ticket) and you have to wait an eternity until they transfer the money to your credit card.
But like i said, people in the USA can not bet online, except in this bookie i gave you and few more not reliable bookies.
thanks for the links! This might sound dumb but how do the odds work for the sites, i only understand the ones on bwin.
thanks for the links! This might sound dumb but how do the odds work for the sites, i only understand the ones on bwin.
Every bookie, Bwin also, offers 3 kinds of odds - Decimal, Fractional and American.
You have an option to pick the option you want.
Decimal are these kind of odds - 2.35
Fractional are - 2/1
American are +200
I use decimals.
This is how you change them :
Go to www.sportingbet.com
Pick Football on the left side
Now you see a lot of matches. Click on one of them
When you'll click on the match you'll see an arrow at the middle/right side at the top where you can change the odds option.
Oh boy. It's always a busy transfer season when members start discussing Portsmouth's players and football betting on the transfers thread....:)
But well, aside from Pato, there isnt too much to talk about is there? By the way, what's the deal with Diego? He would be a pretty good fit as an AM beside Kaka...does he have EU status? How has his form been in the Bundesliga?
Kaka--7thUCL
16-08-2007, 21:39
Not exactly sure but I do agree, Diego would be great!
Kaka--7thUCL
16-08-2007, 21:43
Ugh. I'm more disappointed this transfer market than any other, I knew last year becasue of scandal point deficite we wouldn't be too busy, yet we still bought more players, so I wasn't expecting much, this transfer market I was expecting us to jump on every opportunity, I expected a lot more, look at my dream team, I expected something like that after aug31st
Kaka--7thUCL
16-08-2007, 21:45
Why don't we just buy some last minute availables? I haven't been updated on Robben's status, but if he's free, just give Chelsea's asking price and take him, get Motta, just get Emerson :|, and then try hard as our so called "big" striker signing to be a defender, ZAMBROTTA , and then we go all out for Di Natale :D It's very possible you know.
Gabriel489
16-08-2007, 21:57
Tony, I would have never thought u gamble?
Maybe we should open a thread with our own odds for this season!!!!
Well, I do gamble too, and I find that by comparing odds with different bookies from different countries, my chances of winning increases.
WHat is your sercet, if you don't mind sharing?
Tony, I would have never thought u gamble?
Maybe we should open a thread with our own odds for this season!!!!
Well, I do gamble too, and I find that by comparing odds with different bookies from different countries, my chances of winning increases.
WHat is your sercet, if you don't mind sharing?
I'm giving you the honor to open the official betting/gambling thread in discussions subforum.
I'll be happy to share all the secrets :)
Every bookie, Bwin also, offers 3 kinds of odds - Decimal, Fractional and American.
You have an option to pick the option you want.
Decimal are these kind of odds - 2.35
Fractional are - 2/1
American are +200
I use decimals.
This is how you change them :
Go to www.sportingbet.com
Pick Football on the left side
Now you see a lot of matches. Click on one of them
When you'll click on the match you'll see an arrow at the middle/right side at the top where you can change the odds option.
Thank you!
rossoner03
17-08-2007, 01:34
Acording to AS Milan have made an offer of 14 mil to real for Baptista....and real agreeds
Allow me a little bit offtopic talk :)
http://www.milanmania.com/forums/showthread.php?p=448735#post448735
I created a thread about MM group on Calcio fantasy game on Yahoo. Here's the direct link:
http://it.seriea.fantasysports.yahoo.com/football/group/1637
password is "stitch" without quotes.
you're all invited :)
Kaka1899
17-08-2007, 04:05
Allow me a little bit offtopic talk :)
http://www.milanmania.com/forums/showthread.php?p=448735#post448735
I created a thread about MM group on Calcio fantasy game on Yahoo. Here's the direct link:
http://it.seriea.fantasysports.yahoo.com/football/group/1637
password is "stitch" without quotes.
you're all invited :)
Cheers matey :)
Btw whats this that Milan are trying to sign Carlos Eduardo, whats he like?
Pato only sayd Milan SHOULD go for Carlos Eduardo as he is a great player. But he is a non EU player and cant be bought untill the next summer.
Now, Madrid wants 10 mln for Emerson, and Braida sayd Emerson is staying in Madrid, for now. I dont like the fact we negotiate with those bastards so much. Lets pay Barca their money for Motta who is a great player and is only 25 and we are fine. I would also like Baptista in our team but Madrid are probably asking around 50 mln for him!
Gilberto Silva has been taken away his captain mark and it was give to GALLAS! This is a joke!
Cheers matey :)
Btw whats this that Milan are trying to sign Carlos Eduardo, whats he like?
Check out Abraão's (Brasileiro) comments about Eduardo in the 'Pato' thread.
zlatanov
17-08-2007, 06:58
Gilberto Silva has been taken away his captain mark and it was give to GALLAS! This is a joke!
Arsen probably did it just to keep that big mouth of his (Gallas') closed at least for a little while ... funny thing is, this has probably unsettled, at least to an extent, one of the most important players at Arsenal.
Too bad Gilberto Silva is a non-EU player ... I wouldn't have a thing against him coming to Milan.
he's much better than either Emerson or Motta. I would still prefer Appiah, though i guess playing in Italy for 8 years is not enough for a passport :googly:
zlatanov
17-08-2007, 07:17
I am starting to think you and Appiah's agent have some mutual business relations :D.
I like Appiah too but he is more of a utility player IMO ... a player who is good and even excells in games vs midiocre teams but fails to deliver in high-profile football. For me appiah is aplayer who has everything technically but it's his mentality that lacks a bit and that the main reason why some players somehow manage to be awsome in small clubs but once you put them in a side like Milan, it's as if the pressure is too much for them to handle ... appiah is one of those players, IMO at least.
Gilberto, although being older, is from a different breed of players - he is what in Italy call "a champion", a player who doesn't fail to deliver when it matters most, at least in most such cases.
Well, i guess we'll never know if Appiah can cut it at Milan.
I am starting to think you and Appiah's agent have some mutual business relations :D.
I like Appiah too but he is more of a utility player IMO ... a player who is good and even excells in games vs midiocre teams but fails to deliver in high-profile football. For me appiah is aplayer who has everything technically but it's his mentality that lacks a bit and that the main reason why some players somehow manage to be awsome in small clubs but once you put them in a side like Milan, it's as if the pressure is too much for them to handle ... appiah is one of those players, IMO at least.
Gilberto, although being older, is from a different breed of players - he is what in Italy call "a champion", a player who doesn't fail to deliver when it matters most, at least in most such cases.
I agree, i also think highly of Appiah before he went to juve but he show that he is not worthy enough to be among the top rung of MF but then he won't be a starter here anyway so it doesn't really matter.
Warro Bantan
17-08-2007, 10:53
I have read with interest the various ontopic posts with regard to our transfer season, and though I remain slightly disappointed with our mercato, I think, based on where we are, and who we are rumored to be targetting/negotiating for, and indeed, with Pato´s aqusition...I fail to see why we are so disappointed...really..:rollani:
So R10 didnt come...but we have, potentially, one of the stars of the future, who, in Jan, can allow R99, and Gila some much deserved rest in the league matches at the very least, and for those group stage UCL matches we may have remaining..if any.
How do you improve a team that has just won the UCL tournament? Either with youth showing amazing promise, a la Pato, or an R10, an Henry, or such the like.
None of the "star" players, worthy of an automatic spot in Milan are "available"...and if they are, I dont kno of them.
Let us wait until midnight Aug 31st before we confirm our disappointment however, as there is still time for a few important signings.
hany.Egypt
17-08-2007, 11:13
I still beleive that Galliani is going to make one or two more singnning, especially in the LB poistion, Milan tried with Abidal before joinning Barca so he and Berlu for sure understand the fact that we dont have Lb (with all my respect to Janklu who is originally a LM) so I beleive they will sign someone Hopefully Zambrotta.
Milan will not sign anyone that cant really help out this team. Pato was an investment for the future. They wanted Abiudal as he was the best LB out there, but not there arent any available fullbacks on the market. Heinze maybe, but he is crap player. ( aldough he could fill some holes in defence sometimes as he can laso play as a CB ).
As far as Im concerned, only Baptista would be fine. With Ambro, Gattuso, Pirlo, Seedorf, Kaka', young Gourcuff and Baptista we would have really strong midfield, no need to have too much players. Julio ( hehe, Julio...), can play as a AM, CF, CM or even DM! A very, very strong and good player that is only 25 years old and is one of Kaka's best friends...
After we get Baptista and Cicinho joins Rona or Sevilla there will be no reason for Ricky to join Madrid bitches!!
BUT, we DO need one good versatile player, and Baptista to me looks like the best solution right now.
Sorry, but there are plenty of players out there who could improve our squad, and also update out first team. Janku after last season shouldn't be our 1st choice lb. Favalli, Kalac, should be gone, and Brocchi shouldn't be relied on in CL.
If you look at players from France or Germany you'll find plenty of talented players capable of playing for Milan. They might not be well known, but their still better than the cheap signings we've made in recent seasons.
I fail to see why we are so disappointed...really..:rollani:
If ronaldo/gila/inzaghi gets injured, we are left with 2 strikers (cant count willy right now, he showed less than boriello) and that means 1 striker upfront at least until january and even possible gila-ambro changes... :rolleyes:
if pirlo gets injured, we are left with ambro-rino-brocchi-seedorf midfield which is (apart from seedorf on his working days) the most non-imaginative unwatchable midfield... for me at least.
if kaka gets injured, we will have our midfield somehow cut out from attack, thats what happened last year when a lot of you said the delivery wasn good bc kaka was in bad form or tightly marked.
3 important positions where we even dont have replacements! For a team that wants to compete in serieA + CL + coppa + supercup + intercontinental + world cup that just wont do. Hence i can be nothing else but dissapointed... for now.
hany.Egypt
17-08-2007, 11:50
any avreage player could improve our team as with exception to Ambro,Inzagi/Gillardino,Kaladze/Maldini and may be Bonera and Brocchi in the league we dont have any other reliable options in case of injuries
Warro Bantan
17-08-2007, 11:51
Again, might I remind you all, that todays date is August 17th? There is still time to bring in a few players...so, relax, and be thankful Hurricane Dean isnt about to hit your country! :w221:
:ende:
yeah, like i said, for now. It seems too obvious we're lacking some manpower not to expect 2 more signings, may they be stars (if there are some left), average back-up players or last second olivera-style buys.
Any suggestions for a leftback?
Sorry, but there are plenty of players out there who could improve our squad, and also update out first team. Janku after last season shouldn't be our 1st choice lb. Favalli, Kalac, should be gone, and Brocchi shouldn't be relied on in CL.
If you look at players from France or Germany you'll find plenty of talented players capable of playing for Milan. They might not be well known, but their still better than the cheap signings we've made in recent seasons.
Even in Italy there are lots of good defenders who can be bought for a price that is rather cheap for Milan.
I can only agree on Kalac, that man does not deserve to sit on the Milan bench, do nothing and earn money!
Can't see what's wrong with Brocchi as he is very much like Ambro and Gattuso
He only lacks a bit of charisma but he is a solid dm, nothing more but nothing less either.
And Favalli, probably the most solid backup we could have gotten.
Score's occasionally :grinser: , seems happy and plays with heart.
Zapata, Udinese will probably sell him for 12mil, I would love him in Milan. :mad:
Rosina or Montolivio are 2 good midfielders who can contribute to our squad and will not cost that much.
Apparently Inter are after Deco now, haven't they got enough players by now? :rolleyes:
Here are todays news :
1. According to Corriere dello Sport, Gilberto Silva isn't in best relationships with Wenger and even Dunga is telling him to leave Arsenal and join Juventus. Rumors about GS going to Juve didn't stop for the last 2 months. Juve still has the non-EU spot opened.
* i don't see this transfer happening. GS is staying with Arsenal !
2. Milan, Fiorentina, Juve and Wolfsburg are the teams who have shown interest for Din Natale so far.
3. Recoba had dinner with Secco and papers are full with stories about him joining Juve. Napoli are also interested (Gazzetta)
4. On Monday, Blasi should become Napoli player (Tuttosport)
5. Deco told Barcelona "I am looking for a new club" . His manager already contacted Moratti and Inter seem to be #1 candidates for Deco's signature (Corriere dello sport)
6. Juventus has another rival in the race for signing Ivanovic. Chelsea are reportedly also after the Serbian defender (Tuttosport)
7. Boumsong "I'll stay with Juve. I'm 99% certain" (L'Equipe)
* **** !
8. Cicinho won't object if Real and Sevilla include him in the deal for Alves. He even find that to be a perfect solution.
9. Riquelme's agents are in Spain and Atletico offered him a 3 years deal. This operation should be done in the next hours.
10. Maxi Lopez left Barcelona and was sold to FC Moscow for 2m euro
11. According to Daily Mirror, Tottenham offered 9m euro to Real for Guti
12. Benfica is only a step away from signing Fabio Rochemback from Middlesbrough. The English team is asking 5m euro
13. Wiltord accepted Rennes offer and he's expected to join them in the next couple of days.
14. West Ham have signed Kieron Dyer from Newcastle
15. Real sent a maxi-offer to Sevilla : 37m euro+Cicinho for Danny Alves and Antonio Puerta (Marca)
Sorry, but there are plenty of players out there who could improve our squad, and also update out first team. Janku after last season shouldn't be our 1st choice lb. Favalli, Kalac, should be gone, and Brocchi shouldn't be relied on in CL.
If you look at players from France or Germany you'll find plenty of talented players capable of playing for Milan. They might not be well known, but their still better than the cheap signings we've made in recent seasons.
I agree with you there are some very talented players who some of them are also young who could make our bench stronger and to be investments for now and the future, let me remind you Gorky to whom i believe a lot....
rossoner03
17-08-2007, 15:15
In the game vs Juve our LB(Favali 1st and Serrginho 2-nd was inexistent).Hope that Berlusconi and Galliani saw that and will get someone......cause we need one!!!
slicknick
17-08-2007, 15:47
How about Urby Emanuelson for LB ???
He is young...
He is not bad at all...
Though born in Suriname, he holds a Dutch passport, meaning that he is an EU player
Warro Bantan
17-08-2007, 15:52
Thanks Tony for the updates!! Been too busy to catch any but a few of the rumors for today.
In the game vs Juve our LB(Favali 1st and Serrginho 2-nd was inexistent).Hope that Berlusconi and Galliani saw that and will get someone......cause we need one!!!
serginho was quite good going forward, in defence he was never really tested.
i missed the first 20 minutes so i can't really judge favalli but from what i saw from him in the first half didn't impress me.
still, this was only a friendly, imho they are more or less meaningsless.
Taiwo, Zambrotta, Pasquale, Chiellini. Any of those 4 would be a good choice to compete for our left-back spot, the first 2 especially.
Graeme C
17-08-2007, 16:24
i dont miss sheva, but recently ive missed how dangerous we useto be on the break, sheva could have buried gilas chance tonight.. not gilas fault tho, as hes not the quickest of cats..
First half of the game favalli disapeared. To be fair Pancaro had one good season with us, then left....
Serghino was an improvement but we do deffi need a new LB for this season.
Kaka--7thUCL
17-08-2007, 16:35
Looks like Inzaghi is finding his youth, not only that but the back of the net more ;) milan 2-0 juve 2 goals inzaghi
Gabriel489
17-08-2007, 22:20
I'm giving you the honor to open the official betting/gambling thread in discussions subforum.
I'll be happy to share all the secrets :)
Well, thanks, but I want get an okay from Zlat first or else I might be in Trouble.
Gabriel489
17-08-2007, 22:27
Aug 18, just 13 more days.
Who will come????
zlatanov
17-08-2007, 22:59
Well, thanks, but I want get an okay from Zlat first or else I might be in Trouble.
it's not my OK you need ... I am just the messenger :grinser:
I will take this to the admins and other mods and we'll see what happens :)
regrading Ronaldo,
from what I can see on gazzetta's first page, they speculate that he has problems with his thyroid gland and it's causing his weight-gain problems ... not sure how true that is though.
Kaka--7thUCL
18-08-2007, 00:09
Ronaldo, I thought he was losing weight atm, is he still gaining? How's this possible? Possibly too much Italian cuisine, but I'm sure he burns it off :| hopefully he's ok, anyways, I'm pleased with Motta, I really hope we can get him, even though we need another forward, I suppose they know best :D
How can anyone be happy with Motta? Barcelona have been trying to sell him all summer and no one (except us it seems) has paid any interest in him. When was the last time he played regular games for Barcelona? A few games here and there isn't the best platform for his abilities. Then there are his injuries.
I just think we can do a whole lot better.
A thyroid problem? My goodness, what a proposed diagnosis!!!!!!!! Where's the heavy sarcasm font?
I would have thought that would have been one of the first things to test many years ago when he started putting on the weight.
hitmannq8
18-08-2007, 11:15
from calciomercato.com
L'unico giocatore per cui si potrebbe riaprire il mercato del Milan, altrimenti gia' chiuso, e' Emerson. ''Se per caso dovesse venire fuori una possibilita' per Emerson - ha detto il presidente Silvio Berlusconi - noi siamo aperti, ma non bisogna portare nella rosa ulteriori protagonisti, perche' metterebbero in ombra gli attuali giocatori e renderebbero piu' difficile il mantenimento di quella serenita' di cui la squadra ha bisogno''. Sulla vittoria di ieri sera contro la Juventus: ''Siamo felici di questa rosa - ha detto Berlusconi - e ieri la squadra ha dato un'ampia dimostrazione del proprio valore''.
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did anyone from italy see this interview? I wanted to ask, did he actually say our market is closed or did he say we will see what happens until 31st of August?
Cassano took # 99 @ sampdoria in honour of his friend ronaldo... Kinda makes me wish we got him :guw:
from calciomercato.com
L'unico giocatore per cui si potrebbe riaprire il mercato del Milan, altrimenti gia' chiuso, e' Emerson. ''Se per caso dovesse venire fuori una possibilita' per Emerson - ha detto il presidente Silvio Berlusconi - noi siamo aperti, ma non bisogna portare nella rosa ulteriori protagonisti, perche' metterebbero in ombra gli attuali giocatori e renderebbero piu' difficile il mantenimento di quella serenita' di cui la squadra ha bisogno''. Sulla vittoria di ieri sera contro la Juventus: ''Siamo felici di questa rosa - ha detto Berlusconi - e ieri la squadra ha dato un'ampia dimostrazione del proprio valore''.
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did anyone from italy see this interview? I wanted to ask, did he actually say our market is closed or did he say we will see what happens until 31st of August?
No, it is said that the market, that is reportedly closed for Milan, can be reopened only for Emerson and no one else.
Obafemi Martins wasn't good for some of you because he cannot score? I remember the same thing happened last year with Drogba when a lot supported Drogba? for Milan, no... he is incapable.
hitmannq8
18-08-2007, 12:34
No, it is said that the market, that is reportedly closed for Milan, can be reopened only for Emerson and no one else.
Is that what is actually said in the interview? Im asking because I think some of the words may have been misinterpreted. I want to know should I keep the 1% hope I have remaining in signing a striker or should I just forget about it.
Passing out on Ribery baffles me, really really does. Not saying this because he's playing good right now, but just cuz of his age/price/potential/shirt-sales(in France, he is the next Zizo atm, and every1 loves him). Ribery would have been a very smart buy, very versatile in midfield and also would have been a good piece of business.
PS: could there be a chance we could surprisingly sign Diarra instead of Emerson? throw in a few million and give the fans a much-needed surprise signing they have been promising for 2 seasons?
Well we can't get too upset remember when becks was supposed to come over and we got a little brazilian kid...er what's his name ;) ? All i want is a good left sided player (cough*cough*Quaresma*cough* :D ) and i'm happy
Well we can't get too upset remember when becks was supposed to come over and we got a little brazilian kid...er what's his name ;) ? All i want is a good left sided player (cough*cough*Quaresma*cough* :D ) and i'm happy
Dru are you the official manager of Quaresma? :grinser: :grinser: :grinser: :grinser:
No, it is said that the market, that is reportedly closed for Milan, can be reopened only for Emerson and no one else.
Again? How many times have we heard out market is closed this summer? :D
could there be a chance we could surprisingly sign Diarra instead of Emerson? throw in a few million and give the fans a much-needed surprise signing they have been promising for 2 seasons?
We can only hope!
Passing out on Ribery baffles me, really really does. Not saying this because he's playing good right now, but just cuz of his age/price/potential/shirt-sales(in France, he is the next Zizo atm, and every1 loves him). Ribery would have been a very smart buy, very versatile in midfield and also would have been a good piece of business.
PS: could there be a chance we could surprisingly sign Diarra instead of Emerson? throw in a few million and give the fans a much-needed surprise signing they have been promising for 2 seasons?
Maybe i am the only one who doesn't like ribery that much. I like Gorky and rate his potential higher. Some people like to say Ribery is the next Zidane but there is nothing similar about his play and Zidane's. Ribery is a hardworker but as a player, he is like Gatusso with more flair and individual skills, certainly not a player like Zidane. Gourcuff is much more closer to Zidane than Ribery, even acknowledged by Zidane himself at the tender age of 20. I would hate to see ribery being played instead of Gourcuff so i am glad we don't have ribery.
There is no way we would get Diarra, i haven't heard any info to suggest real madrid wanted to offload him. If real doesn't want to sell then we need to overpay for them to consider selling which is something i do not want to see. Emerson's situation is very different.
Gattuso-Pirlo-Gourcuff
----Kaka---Ribery----
-------Ronaldo-------
You could play both of them easily, no problem :D
rosoneri_11
18-08-2007, 14:15
I feel again as last year that our summer transfer period looks like a big nothing. Allright we got Pato a 17old great talent, but he would be ready to play with us as a starter after 1 or 2 years. That means that we haven't make any trasnfer for the team.
Other great clubs are making their teams more powerfull.Ok i understund that Milan is not like other teams,we are far better from them, but i'm speaking for the good of this great club. At the moment we have not a good bench, or good back-ups for all the starters players. Imagine if Kaka will injure for 3 months, what will be happen?
Im sure as the most of you that this team need a player for every one position.We need a GK,defender,a midfilder,and a striker.
We must start buying 2-3 new good players every season because our team is very aged and we need a refresh.The team need a big refresh but that will be not good buying many new players for many reasons.So if we don't need to have a disaster at the team with many new palyers we must start from now to built the new Milan buying every year 2-3 good players.
If Jankulofski get injured who will play DL?Serginho!He is 36-37 and i don't know if we can trust him.
The same goes for averyone's position.We need bench and good back-up's for everyone's position.
At the moment i know that we can't buy many player's but for sure we need 3!
And something for last.Last year we bought storari for Dida's replacement.Storari is better GK than Kalac, i think everyone will agree with me.
Why we loaned Storari when now we haven't a Dida's good replacement?I don't trust Kalac for sure.The same goes and with Fiori.I can't understand why our managment is doing those things? The truth is clear, we have only a good repacement and the others are just crap, and we sell Storari.
rosoneri_11
18-08-2007, 14:22
I think players like Nasri,Akinfeev,Taiwo,Barzagli,Quagliarela,Huntelaar,Albiol,Lucho gonzalez,Quaresma,Zaccardo,Rafinha.....i cant remeber else...........i think will be good players for us.
I think buing 2 or 3 of them will make us better for such difficult session that we will have.
Rayno_acm
18-08-2007, 15:56
I feel again as last year that our summer transfer period looks like a big nothing. Allright we got Pato a 17old great talent, but he would be ready to play with us as a starter after 1 or 2 years. That means that we haven't make any trasnfer for the team.
Other great clubs are making their teams more powerfull.Ok i understund that Milan is not like other teams,we are far better from them, but i'm speaking for the good of this great club. At the moment we have not a good bench, or good back-ups for all the starters players. Imagine if Kaka will injure for 3 months, what will be happen?
Im sure as the most of you that this team need a player for every one position.We need a GK,defender,a midfilder,and a striker.
We must start buying 2-3 new good players every season because our team is very aged and we need a refresh.The team need a big refresh but that will be not good buying many new players for many reasons.So if we don't need to have a disaster at the team with many new palyers we must start from now to built the new Milan buying every year 2-3 good players.
If Jankulofski get injured who will play DL?Serginho!He is 36-37 and i don't know if we can trust him.
The same goes for averyone's position.We need bench and good back-up's for everyone's position.
At the moment i know that we can't buy many player's but for sure we need 3!
And something for last.Last year we bought storari for Dida's replacement.Storari is better GK than Kalac, i think everyone will agree with me.
Why we loaned Storari when now we haven't a Dida's good replacement?I don't trust Kalac for sure.The same goes and with Fiori.I can't understand why our managment is doing those things? The truth is clear, we have only a good repacement and the others are just crap, and we sell Storari.
I think players like Nasri,Akinfeev,Taiwo,Barzagli,Quagliarela,Huntelaar,Albiol,Lucho gonzalez,Quaresma,Zaccardo,Rafinha.....i cant remeber else...........i think will be good players for us.
I think buing 2 or 3 of them will make us better for such difficult session that we will have.
I really can't understand you. You say you understand that Milan is not like the others, and in the same time you ask Milan to buy a bunch of unproved players... :rolleyes:
I would say you don't understand that Milan is different or atleast what makes Milan different... :grinser:
I'll try to explain how I see the things...
You know, for everybody the perfect solution is to have 2 good players on each position, right? :bri: But that's not always possible. And having them can also create problems in the dressing room because of the competition between the players. IMHO Milan has a different approach. Ancelotti loves players, who are able to play in more than one position. He even changes their original positions (like Pirlo, Seedorf, Kaladze, Maldini, Kaka, Serginho, Brocchi, don't forget Stam too, etc) and when they get used to their new positions, they become more universal players. They are able to play on their new positions, but they are able to play on their old position too.
In this way, when somebody gets injured, we can always replace him with somebody else, who has the experience and quality to fill the gap. You can't expect couple of players to get injured at the same time, that's quite unlikely. Well, last year was quite abnormal, because of the lack of a phisical preparation in the summer, we had much more injured players at the same time and it was hard to fill all the gaps. But I don't think this will happen again, I think there's no need to explain why. ;)
So, having more universal players, we don't need that big squad, the competition within the squad is not that big and that allows us to have that united dressing room, that great atmosphere between the players.
So Milan prefers to keep the good atmosphere in team rather to buy players, that hardly will be used in more than 10 games or something... :web:
Having a lot of players (part of them can't be used regularly and they will complain for that) and having a great team spirit and atmosphere at the same time is not so easy and not always possible. :1old:
Dru are you the official manager of Quaresma? :grinser: :grinser: :grinser: :grinser:
Maybe :stuckup:
Gattuso-Pirlo-Gourcuff
----Kaka---Ribery----
-------Ronaldo-------
You could play both of them easily, no problem :D
actually switching Ribery and Gourcuff positions will get better results from both of them. Ribery is somebody who can play like seedorf.
Kaka--7thUCL
18-08-2007, 21:36
Looks like another tough season ahead of us..
kastriot
18-08-2007, 21:54
Looks like another tough season ahead of us..
If by "ANOTHER TOUGH SEASON" you mean last season...than I hope we have another tough season,and maybe have tough seasons for the next ten years.. :pp20:
*off topic: I have seen the pictures with Italian players in bathroom (Cannavaro, Zambrotta...) any one can share me the pictures or show me the topic? thank you very much:D
rosoneri_11
19-08-2007, 05:03
I would say you don't understand that Milan is different or atleast what makes Milan different... :grinser:
I'll try to explain how I see the things...
You know, for everybody the perfect solution is to have 2 good players on each position, right? :bri: But that's not always possible. And having them can also create problems in the dressing room because of the competition between the players. IMHO Milan has a different approach. Ancelotti loves players, who are able to play in more than one position. He even changes their original positions (like Pirlo, Seedorf, Kaladze, Maldini, Kaka, Serginho, Brocchi, don't forget Stam too, etc) and when they get used to their new positions, they become more universal players. They are able to play on their new positions, but they are able to play on their old position too.
In this way, when somebody gets injured, we can always replace him with somebody else, who has the experience and quality to fill the gap. You can't expect couple of players to get injured at the same time, that's quite unlikely. Well, last year was quite abnormal, because of the lack of a phisical preparation in the summer, we had much more injured players at the same time and it was hard to fill all the gaps. But I don't think this will happen again, I think there's no need to explain why. ;)
So, having more universal players, we don't need that big squad, the competition within the squad is not that big and that allows us to have that united dressing room, that great atmosphere between the players.
So Milan prefers to keep the good atmosphere in team rather to buy players, that hardly will be used in more than 10 games or something... :web:
Having a lot of players (part of them can't be used regularly and they will complain for that) and having a great team spirit and atmosphere at the same time is not so easy and not always possible. :1old:
All right i agree. But for how many years we will keep these players, Dida,Serginho,Kalac,Fiori,Cafu,Maldini,Pipo,Favali,Simic,Ibrahim Ba,? If we don't want to have competition's in our club what we gonna do?Keep these players for many years or buy some good players?I think Milan has a very good first line up, but we have not a good bench or back ups for everyone's position.Keeping these players we can have a good atmoshere at the team but i'm sure that with them we will not have any future.We need palyers everyone can see that.
rosoneri_11
19-08-2007, 05:23
[QUOTE=Rayno_acm]I really can't understand you. You say you understand that Milan is not like the others, and in the same time you ask Milan to buy a bunch of unproved players... :rolleyes:
Unproven players? I think better talented players! When Milan bought Gourcuff what he was before?An unproven but talented player!The same goes for Pato and for Kaka. Why Milan bought them?Because we need a new fresh and young blood in our aged team! Every single team are buying young and talented palyers with great future, because thats football. When we bought Kaka he was unproven and now he is the best player on the world. How you can say that i'm asking a bunch of unproved players when you don't know what future will have everyone of them. Everyone of that bunch of unproved players can become great players. If we don't take care of our future we will have big problems on the future.
And something last everyone footballer on this world were born as an unproven player, noone was born as an proven player.
ACMILAN1983
19-08-2007, 05:45
[QUOTE=Rayno_acm]I really can't understand you. You say you understand that Milan is not like the others, and in the same time you ask Milan to buy a bunch of unproved players... :rolleyes:
Unproven players? I think better talented players! When Milan bought Gourcuff what he was before?An unproven but talented player!The same goes for Pato and for Kaka. Why Milan bought them?Because we need a new fresh and young blood in our aged team! Every single team are buying young and talented palyers with great future, because thats football. When we bought Kaka he was unproven and now he is the best player on the world. How you can say that i'm asking a bunch of unproved players when you don't know what future will have everyone of them. Everyone of that bunch of unproved players can become great players. If we don't take care of our future we will have big problems on the future.
And something last everyone footballer on this world were born as an unproven player, noone was born as an proven player.
I think your post answers your own questions. We've bought Kaka, Gourcuff and Pato who weren't proven at the highest level when signed. This in itself was only after a lot of scouting these players out and on average has been a player like this signed once every 1-2 seasons (actually it was a much bigger gap between Kaka and Gourcuff).
We don't sign unproven talent too often, as we must remain competitive in the present season, so we'll buy one who we feel will be special for us maybe once every couple of years.
Now that we have Pato, don't expect any signings of someone who isn't seasoned at the highest level.
I don't think Joannis is just talking about youngsters like Gourcuff & Pato and what Kaka was when he first came here.
I think he's just annoyed that we don't seem to sign many middle ground players, they are either young (see names above) or 30+. When was the last time we signed a player around 25/26 who's ready to take a step up in clubs (if he's not already at a top club) and is reaching the peak of his talents?
rosoneri_11
19-08-2007, 06:16
I don't think Joannis is just talking about youngsters like Gourcuff & Pato and what Kaka was when he first came here.
I think he's just annoyed that we don't seem to sign many middle ground players, they are either young (see names above) or 30+. When was the last time we signed a player around 25/26 who's ready to take a step up in clubs (if he's not already at a top club) and is reaching the peak of his talents?
Yes Jim you understood my point 100%.
ACMILAN1983
19-08-2007, 07:18
I don't think Joannis is just talking about youngsters like Gourcuff & Pato and what Kaka was when he first came here.
I think he's just annoyed that we don't seem to sign many middle ground players, they are either young (see names above) or 30+. When was the last time we signed a player around 25/26 who's ready to take a step up in clubs (if he's not already at a top club) and is reaching the peak of his talents?
I'd say because most of these 25-26 year olds want starting roles in clubs which at Milan is nigh on impossible to get (barring a few roles). I'm sure players like these will come once the current generation isn't able to perform anymore.
On Emerson, from acmilan.com:
Rino Gattuso: "Emerson? If he comes they will do me a favour, as I will be able to play a few games less than the 60 I usually do each season and I can keep playing at high levels a few years more. Aside from everything, the club know what they are doing and what they will have to do, so if they are looking for a midfielder with Emerson's qualities, they will have examined the situation well in the respect of all of us. Sevilla? It will be tough, they are a strong team, we will have to be very careful."
Good and smart talking by Rino, and Im sure Milan will sign Emerson in the end. He can help us a lot.
Also, Berlusconi was talking about Pato: From January we will also have Pato available for official matches, we have analyzed him on some video images and it's clear he has considerable technical ability, which we hope he will not use simply for useless dribbles and fancy tricks.
Real Milan way, we dont need a player like C.Ronaldo, we need real players like Kaka', and they will use Pato's skills and mix it up with Milans tactical sistem, it could turn out great.
Who made the quote you use in your sig?
Today news :
1. According to Portuguese most famous sport newspaper "A Bola" Atalanta are close to a surprise signing of Costinha from Atletico Madrid.
2. After the negotiations between Juve and ManCity for Chiellini failed, now Roy Keane (Sunderland) is after the Juve LB. But he'll have to go higher than 15m euro to get Chiellini.
3. Eriksson is seriously interested in Guti and he's ready to offer 7m euro. Guti lost his place in Real after Sneijder joined the Spanish champions.
4. Mancini made it clear that he really wants Deco in Inter. Deco's agents already contacted Moratti and it was reported that Moratti is willing to pay the asking price (12m euro). But now Newcastle is also after Deco and they are offering money+Emre. Barcelona has the final word on this and they'll soon make it clear what will happen to Deco and will he stay in Barcelona or will be sold.
5. English papers say that Juve offered 6m euro for Gilberto Silva but Wenger wants 9m euro. Juve is still trying to get the Brazilian and an improved offer will follow.
6. After Fred asked for an exit, Lyon will try to get Gudjohnsen .
7. According to spanish newspaper "Sport" , Belletti will join Newcastle and the deal is already done. Newcastle will pay 4m euro to Barcelona while Belletti will sign a 3 year contract and he'll be getting 70 000 euro per week.
Looks like Barcelona is definitely keeping Zambrotta.
8. On Thursday the situation with Di Natale will be clear. Fiorentina and Milan are after him and on Thursday we'll know if he'll stay with Udinese or he'll sign with one of Fiorentina or Milan.
only 9 mln for G.Silva, that is nothing for a player of his quality. And 12 mln for Deco?
Mehdi, I cant remember, some guy in Croatia used it once with some other clubs so I reshuffled it a bit :)
only 9 mln for G.Silva, that is nothing for a player of his quality.
God knows how reliable these news are but still you mustn't forget that G.Silva will be 31 in less than 2 months.
Not many 31 yo players are worthy to pay more than 10m euro for them. And defensive midfielders are usually very cheap even though they are extremely important. Juve sold Vieira, who was a year younger than Gilberto Silva, for 13m euro so i don't see why 9m euro for GS isn't realistic price.
I'd say because most of these 25-26 year olds want starting roles in clubs which at Milan is nigh on impossible to get (barring a few roles). I'm sure players like these will come once the current generation isn't able to perform anymore.
Why is it nigh on impossible to get a starting position? How can you evolve a team if you never introduce new players?
Personally i think there are only 6 positions that are guaranteed. LB, CB, RB, LM, ST ... all of these are up for grabs.
According to Portuguese most famous sport newspaper "A Bola" Atalanta are close to a surprise signing of Costinha from Atletico Madrid.
It may be the most famous newspaper in Portugal, but i don't think i'd trust a paper named after one of the deadliest viruses in the world! :sagrin:
Two players from Popy absoluely prfect for ACM.
1-Nick Cranjaar, midfielder
2-Benjani, Zimbabwian striker :5ok:
Any 1 saw Pompy vs Bolton??? :sweeteye:
Man Benjani reminded EPL fans the young Thierry Henry :)
Surely no 1 will miss Henry bcoz EPL has Benjani :bri:
Rayno_acm
19-08-2007, 13:59
Unproven players? I think better talented players! When Milan bought Gourcuff what he was before?An unproven but talented player!The same goes for Pato and for Kaka. Why Milan bought them?Because we need a new fresh and young blood in our aged team! Every single team are buying young and talented palyers with great future, because thats football. When we bought Kaka he was unproven and now he is the best player on the world. How you can say that i'm asking a bunch of unproved players when you don't know what future will have everyone of them. Everyone of that bunch of unproved players can become great players. If we don't take care of our future we will have big problems on the future.
And something last everyone footballer on this world were born as an unproven player, noone was born as an proven player.
Well, I'll try again to explain my point of view...
Firstly, I've always said that Kaka' is not an example, but an exception... :rolleyes: He was bought to be Rui Costa's substitute and to learn from him, but suprisingly Kaka showed in the first weeks that he is completelly ready to step up and that he is even better than Rui Costa. He is an exception cuz he's the only one, who managed to do that. :rolleyes: He was supposed to be exactly what is Gourcuff now - a youngster, who mostly stays on the bench and who is learning how to deal with the pressure to play for a such big club like Milan. Because that's the biggest problem for the youngsters - nobody doubts their qualities and skills, their mental power is what they need to develop, to be able to show what they can do. Talent is nothing, if you're not mentally strong to show it. :1old:
Secondly, we sign these players that young like Kaka', Gourcuff and Pato, because we want to develop them in our way, to suit to our system. We don't sign them to be starters at once. They are meant to stay on the bench, to train with our stars, to learn from them and to wait for their chance to step up. Because of their youth, they have the patience that is needed for that waiting, cuz they have a lot of years infront of them and a year on the bench is not that big deal for them, they will not complain that much. When you sign 23~26 years old players for the bench, they don't have that patience, either they want a starting place (or atleast to play more regularly) or they start to complain and they want to leave. And 26 yo is not so easy to be bent to suit your system... :1old: Or atlest is harder compaired with 20 yo player... :1old:
rosoneri_11
19-08-2007, 14:07
Real Madrid signed KAKA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :sweeteye:
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa298/rossoneri_11/kaka.jpg
slicknick
19-08-2007, 14:10
Real Madrid signed KAKA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :sweeteye:
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa298/rossoneri_11/kaka.jpg
ALMOST GAVE ME A HEART ATTACK !!! :) :respect:
Rayno_acm
19-08-2007, 14:15
F*cking Photoshop... :grinser: :fright: :r7:
rosoneri_11
19-08-2007, 14:50
:grinser: :grinser: :grinser:
I think this one of Cassano is one of the best 'unveiling' shots ever :rotfl:
Cassano's grin is the cheesiest ever ... the guy on the left is trying to get away but Cassano's paw is hauling him back in and the guy on the right is wondering what he's let Sampdoria in for. :delol:
Well, I'll try again to explain my point of view...
Firstly, I've always said that Kaka' is not an example, but an exception... :rolleyes: He was bought to be Rui Costa's substitute and to learn from him, but suprisingly Kaka showed in the first weeks that he is completelly ready to step up and that he is even better than Rui Costa. He is an exception cuz he's the only one, who managed to do that. :rolleyes: He was supposed to be exactly what is Gourcuff now - a youngster, who mostly stays on the bench and who is learning how to deal with the pressure to play for a such big club like Milan. Because that's the biggest problem for the youngsters - nobody doubts their qualities and skills, their mental power is what they need to develop, to be able to show what they can do. Talent is nothing, if you're not mentally strong to show it. :1old:
Secondly, we sign these players that young like Kaka', Gourcuff and Pato, because we want to develop them in our way, to suit to our system. We don't sign them to be starters at once. They are meant to stay on the bench, to train with our stars, to learn from them and to wait for their chance to step up. Because of their youth, they have the patience that is needed for that waiting, cuz they have a lot of years infront of them and a year on the bench is not that big deal for them, they will not complain that much. When you sign 23~26 years old players for the bench, they don't have that patience, either they want a starting place (or atleast to play more regularly) or they start to complain and they want to leave. And 26 yo is not so easy to be bent to suit your system... :1old: Or atlest is harder compaired with 20 yo player... :1old:
So we couldn't for example sign Kasper Smeichel?
ACMILAN1983
19-08-2007, 15:21
Why is it nigh on impossible to get a starting position? How can you evolve a team if you never introduce new players?
Personally i think there are only 6 positions that are guaranteed. LB, CB, RB, LM, ST ... all of these are up for grabs.
Honestly, because we have world class (and in many cases the world's best) in a lot of roles. We have been introducing new players, it's just a very slow evolution.
Of the 5 roles you mentioned though, LB we have Sergio, Favalli, Janku and possibly Maldini and Kala, so whoever comes is fighting for the spot, and as Abidal showed, if another club offers it guaranteed, then players rather take that option. CB we have good players and a couple upcoming too (Darmian for eg), and options available on the market, as even someone like Barzagli who's a big signing may struggle to even find a spot ahead of Bonera (who was better last season).
RB, I doubt we even looked. Cafu is a decent backup for now and Oddo has done well since joining. We spent a fair sum on him so to replace him with some other RB who probably doesn't know Milan half as well as he did when he joined will make him a pointless signing (bear in mind he is argubly the best RB in Italy anyway).
LM we have clearly trusted Gourcuff with, as well as Seedorf, Janku and Sergio if need be, so buying another would leave Gourcuff less chance (something which would be a waste).
ST we have Ronaldo, Pippo and Gila, with Pato now 4th choice. More and more Kaka plays the supporting forward role too, so again, i doubt few can find a spot unless it's Eto'o or R10 (who seem impossible to get).
rosoneri_11
19-08-2007, 15:28
Imagine Samptoria's attack with Quagliarela,Cassano,Flachi,Bonazzoli.Very hot attack!
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