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rosoneri_11
19-08-2007, 16:34
Roma is winning inter 0-1 at san siro.The game at the moment is on 83'.

Tony29.
19-08-2007, 16:44
Roma is winning inter 0-1 at san siro.The game at the moment is on 83'.
And they took the lead with a player less :bri:
From PK though

Roma are really a tough nut to brake for both Milan and Inter. Actually, in h2h matches Roma are even outplaying Milan and Inter lately.

Edit : What a first half in Real-Sevilla !!!!

Sevilla's leading 3:2 at HT
17' [0 - 1] Renato
24' [1 - 1] R. Drenthe
29' [1 - 2] Renato
37' [1 - 3] F. Kanoute (pen.)
45' [2 - 3] F. Cannavaro

peters
19-08-2007, 16:53
Crapello said Giuly was the best buy in Italia this summer...? :D He's nuts.

If it wasnt for him, roma would be comfortably leading by 2 goals, withouth PK. Inter was a dissaster like they are. Materazzi should get red for his 3 ankle challenges, a lot of shurt pulling and elbow playing from both sides. But roma won, that's what matters.

zlatanov
19-08-2007, 17:01
Imagine Samptoria's attack with Quagliarela,Cassano,Flachi,Bonazzoli.Very hot attack!
... and now imagine Quagliarella going to Udinese and Flachi being banned for using cocaine ... :diablo:

they still have Cassano, Caraciollo, Montella, Bonazolli and Bellucci though ;)

as mentioned, given how well Real M is doing under Schuster, now is the moment for the tactical specialists, who have been roaming the forum for a while, to send in their resumes to calderon and Mijatovic :grinser:

Tony29.
19-08-2007, 17:06
... and now imagine Quagliarella going to Udinese and Flachi being banned for using cocaine ... :diablo:


:haha: :haha:

zlatanov
19-08-2007, 17:12
:haha: :haha:
what are you laughing at ... I said "imagine" ... it's not like it has really happened :D

btw, now would be the time to do some shopping in Madrid - Emerson is out of the squad, Canna is having a nightmare of a series at the back (has been nothing short of awful vs Sevilla today despite his goal), and JB is where he is supposed to be - at the other end of the Real M bench, opposite to Schuster's ;)

Giorgos
19-08-2007, 17:22
And they took the lead with a player less :bri:
From PK though

Roma are really a tough nut to brake for both Milan and Inter. Actually, in h2h matches Roma are even outplaying Milan and Inter lately.

Edit : What a first half in Real-Sevilla !!!!

Sevilla's leading 3:2 at HT
17' [0 - 1] Renato
24' [1 - 1] R. Drenthe
29' [1 - 2] Renato
37' [1 - 3] F. Kanoute (pen.)
45' [2 - 3] F. Cannavaro

Tony you got before me, now we started watching it in Greece a half behind because the national TV had Olympiakos-Levante 4-0 (The were awful).

For Real listening to invisible moderator Zlatanov also :grinser: :grinser: , from the season when Del Bosque left Real Madrid because i am Real also the suck in every transfer period, this Schuster came for Madrid playing more fashionable football :grinser: :grinser: , Pepe so much money, they buy whoever they sold Sagado but since they didn't buy any competitive RB instead they look for Robben , attackers, the tranfer policy of Real Marid is selling shirts, they don't want Emerson, they keep him, they may finally sell Cicihno, They may keep Baptista or sell him to us, i now hear that they have proposals for Guti :grinser: .....

What is finally happening with Dani Alves, everyday he is leaving but he is still in Sevilla.

King tiger
19-08-2007, 17:31
argh i know its OT but anyways, anyone knows sopcast stream for real-sevilla?

Tony29.
19-08-2007, 17:35
argh i know its OT but anyways, anyone knows sopcast stream for real-sevilla?
http://www.myp2p.eu/Matches/Match8.htm

But only 15 min till the end

King tiger
19-08-2007, 17:39
tnx tony :D :D

Ghost
19-08-2007, 17:40
Real Madrid signed KAKA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :sweeteye:

http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa298/rossoneri_11/kaka.jpg

That has to be the worst photo shop I have ever seen.

Jim_UK
19-08-2007, 17:43
Honestly, because we have world class (and in many cases the world's best) in a lot of roles. We have been introducing new players, it's just a very slow evolution.


If you were to pick a world 11, how many of our players would honestly get into it? True, it's formation dependent. But still, even then you're talking 3 or 4 maximum (Pirlo, Gattuso, Kaka, Nesta), so i don't see us having lots of the world's best in our side. Now i'm not saying the only players we should have for our side are the ones in a world 11 or anything. What i'm saying is that there are plenty of places in our side that could be taken by someone.


Of the 5 roles you mentioned though, LB we have Sergio, Favalli, Janku and possibly Maldini and Kala, so whoever comes is fighting for the spot, and as Abidal showed, if another club offers it guaranteed, then players rather take that option.


Serginho, someone who none of us know if he can hack it now. Favalli, solid but not consistent in either attack or defence. Same for Jankulovski. Maldini can't even play CB more than a few games in a row so he has no chance of being LB. Kaladze? Well he's an option but lets be serious, if Abidal really wanted us he'd be ahead of all these players because he's a better player.

These views are just what you get from reading the threads after matches, so i'm not the only one who thinks this.


LM we have clearly trusted Gourcuff with, as well as Seedorf, Janku and Sergio if need be, so buying another would leave Gourcuff less chance (something which would be a waste).


Have we trusted Gorcuff with it? He hardly ever played last season, what's to say this season will be any different? Just because 'they' say they don't want to limit his chances by getting other midfielders doesn't mean it's the truth does it.

Again, if we got someone like Lucho Gonzales for the LM alongside Pirlo & Gattuso, he'd go straight ahead of Serginho or Jankulovski. Players like these guys are now just utility players, they're there as options not as first choice. Plus Gourcuff would still be on the bench and be able to play alot of games, it's not like he'd be scrapped if we got a decent midfielder is it.

As for strikers, if we bought a decent striker they'd go straight into the team along side Ronaldo. Gilardino still seems a bit out of place and Inzaghi is now more of an impact striker, playing only a few games in a row. Kaka is/was only playing further up field as we didn't have other options. Had we had another striker (and who was in form more importantly), he'd have stayed in his usual position.

I just see our squad as very utility based, which has its merits of course but sometimes trying fit a square peg into a round hole just doesn't work.

Giorgos
19-08-2007, 18:04
Real Madrid - Sevilla 3-5 FW.

17' [0 - 1] Renato
24' [1 - 1] R. Drenthe
29' [1 - 2] Renato
37' [1 - 3] F. Kanoute (pen.)
45' [2 - 3] F. Cannavaro
80` [3-3] S. Ramos
82` [3-4] Kanoute
90` [3-5] Kanoute

Awesome, in the first half Real was good in offense but the defense sucked, this Pepe was ..... :grinser: :grinser: :grinser: :grinser: :grinser: :grinser:

Tony29.
19-08-2007, 18:08
Pepe-Cannavaro :rolleyes:
You pay 30m euro for a defender and he gets a red card in his first match (or second ?)

Sevilla is really unpredictable and very hard to beat. They won all the possible trophies, apart from La Liga , in last year (they won UEFA, european super cup, spanish cup and spanish super cup). They will make many problems to Milan in Super Cup match but i think exactly a team like Milan can stop this team of Sevilla. Milan have good defense, experience, tactically they can adapt to any situation and you have Pippo up-front.

What do you think about Alves ? Is it possible that he's not sold already only because Sevilla wants him to play the Super Cup match ?

zlatanov
19-08-2007, 18:21
Pepe-Cannavaro :rolleyes:
You pay 30m euro for a defender and he gets a red card in his first match (or second ?)
what you don't like the partnership ... I am adoring every moment of it :grinser:
and btw, you are way too harsh on Pepe - he got RCed in his 4th game for Real (second official one though) :D

Sevilla is really unpredictable and very hard to beat. They won all the possible trophies, apart from La Liga , in last year (they won UEFA, european super cup, spanish cup and spanish super cup). They will make many problems to Milan in Super Cup match but i think exactly a team like Milan can stop this team of Sevilla. Milan have good defense, experience, tactically they can adapt to any situation and you have Pippo up-front.
yes, yes, andyes again ... they are a tough opponent but if someone can take care of them, that would be Milan (as long as we are in very good condition, not top, but very good would be enough IMO)

What do you think about Alves ? Is it possible that he's not sold already only because Sevilla wants him to play the Super Cup match ?
no, no, and no :D - a trasnfer like that would be worth 30+ mil for sevilla - actually, now that Real will open their wallets again, Sevilla may well milk them for 40+ mil :diablo: - so I doubt they would risk him for these more or less meaningless games (the Spanish and UEFA super cups), provided that they already have a buyer for him.
And if they don't, the transfer deadlne is on the same day the UEFA super Cup game is, so there won't be much time left to make a transfer like this from scratch and have it finished in a few hours.

Giorgos
19-08-2007, 18:29
yes, yes, andyes again ... they are a tough opponent but if someone can take care of them, that would be Milan (as long as we are in very good condition, not top, but very good would be enough IMO)

I agree, you can hit them only tatictly and Ancelotti is specialist at this, i also believe again that our heavy shirt will count in the super cup game.


no, no, and no :D - a trasnfer like that would be worth 30+ mil for sevilla - actually, now that Real will open their wallets again, Sevilla may well milk them for 40+ mil :diablo: - so I doubt they would risk him for these more or less meaningless games (the Spanish and UEFA super cups), provided that they already have a buyer for him.
And if they don't, the transfer deadlne is on the same day the UEFA super Cup game is, so there won't be much time left to make a transfer like this from scratch and have it finished in a few hours.[/QUOTE]

So Mr "invisible' :grinser: :grinser: you finally think Dani Alves will go or stay? if go to whom Chelsea or Real Madrid because Cicihno is going to Roma, i think Milan will get him, Galliani is over him :grinser: :grinser: :mad: :mad: :mad:

mrki
19-08-2007, 18:30
Now lets all sing together: Ale, ale, ale, aleeee!!! Inteeeer...merdaaaa!!!!!! buahahahaha!! Bravo Roma!!!

And now: Madrid merdaaaaa!!! Nice investment - Pepe the killer :stupid:

And we should have a law here in MM. Law no 22: Whoever, in any ocasion, in any time, under any circumstances, declares that Kaka' has been sold to Madrid has to write PM apology to every single member of sacred MM becouse he has deeply disturbed internal peace of any real Milan ultras! :grinser: Please stop doing that people. :w221:

Now, Im waiting for Emerson, Im sure that can heppen any day now.

Tony29.
19-08-2007, 18:33
You know, when Milan "signed" Suazo and when Inter signed him i was against this transfer because the man is really far from being a goal machine.
But i forgot one thing about him and here's a good post why will Suazo be real gold in Inter :
http://www.juventuz.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1433962&postcount=20

zlatanov
19-08-2007, 18:38
So Mr "invisible' :grinser: :grinser: you finally think Dani Alves will go or stay? if go to whom Chelsea or Real Madrid because Cicihno is going to Roma, i think Milan will get him, Galliani is over him :grinser: :grinser: :mad: :mad: :mad:
I think it would be best for Sevilla to sell Alves now and get Cicinho or someone else ... it seems to me Alves has his mind already on a move to a bigger team - right now only Chelski is an option as Real M hardly qualifies :D - and the moment to cash on him BIG time is now.

Also, think CHelski needs him more as they are simply too predictable - all over the fiels, not just on the flanks - and a player like Alves would do them well, although, I wouldn't be surprised to see talent shackled by JM's boring tactics and gone in vain soon after his arrival.

Real, IMO will profit much more of a Juande Ramos than a Dani Alves joining their team ;)

Giorgos
19-08-2007, 18:45
I think it would be best for Sevilla to sell Alves now and get Cicinho or someone else ... it seems to me Alves has his mind already on a move to a bigger team - right now only Chelski is an option as Real M hardly qualifies :D - and the moment to cash on him BIG time is now.

Also, think CHelski needs him more as they are simply too predictable - all over the fiels, not just on the flanks - and a player like Alves would do them well, although, I wouldn't be surprised to see talent shackled by JM's boring tactics and gone in vain soon after his arrival.

Real, IMO will profit much more of a Juande Ramos than a Dani Alves joining their team ;)

Yes Ramos is a great coach who has the ability to build a team from its first step.

Giorgos
19-08-2007, 18:48
You know, when Milan "signed" Suazo and when Inter signed him i was against this transfer because the man is really far from being a goal machine.
But i forgot one thing about him and here's a good post why will Suazo be real gold in Inter :
http://www.juventuz.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1433962&postcount=20

This Jun is a Japanese sensation, Tony i want to arrange me a meeting with her... :p155: :flirt:

Tony29.
19-08-2007, 18:51
This Jun is a Japanese sensation, Tony i want to arrange me a meeting with her... :p155: :flirt:
You mean the girl on the avatar or the member Jun-hide :grinser:

Giorgos
19-08-2007, 18:54
You mean the girl on the avatar or the member Jun-hide :grinser:

The girl on the photo is not the member? :grinser: :grinser: :5ok: .

Tony29.
19-08-2007, 18:56
The girl on the photo is not the member? :grinser: :grinser: :5ok: .
Maybe she is. But then again, maybe you are Zagorakis, i am Dali and Jim is a smiley :grinser:

mrki
19-08-2007, 18:57
Maybe she is. But then again, maybe you are Zagorakis, i am Dali and Jim is a smiley :grinser:

What are you smoking Tony? :grinser:

Giorgos
19-08-2007, 18:58
You pour Tony, :mad: :d55: :mad: :grinser: , i amy make an exception for her :uhm: .

Giorgos
19-08-2007, 19:06
What are you smoking Tony? :grinser:

Pippo Inzaghi in Berlusconi's cup :grinser: :grinser: :grinser: :grinser: .

Tony29.
19-08-2007, 19:10
Pippo Inzaghi in Berlusconi's cup :grinser: :grinser: :grinser: :grinser: .
Wow, nice one. Even though i don't like it i must say it was good reply :grinser:

zlatanov
19-08-2007, 19:14
btw, R. Oliveira is on fire for Zaragoza - he scored a brace today vs Palermo - his second for Real Z. since his move there, I think - and is doing so in some style.

hwmook
19-08-2007, 22:33
If you were to pick a world 11, how many of our players would honestly get into it? True, it's formation dependent. But still, even then you're talking 3 or 4 maximum (Pirlo, Gattuso, Kaka, Nesta), so i don't see us having lots of the world's best in our side. Now i'm not saying the only players we should have for our side are the ones in a world 11 or anything. What i'm saying is that there are plenty of places in our side that could be taken by someone.


Jim, its ridiculous to even think about having a team made up of the world top 11 so your arguement is invalid right from the start.

While i do hope that we can get a better LB, let's not forget that there aren't many options out there who can really improve on what we already have.

As for stikers, let's not forget Gila is still a striker who has a goal/game ratio of say 0.4 and he does play much better when playing alongside ronaldo, why not give him a chance this season. Our team sometimes play with only 1 striker so having 3 stikers for the next 4 months before Pato become available is enough IMO. Unless its a big signing that can score at least 20 goals a season else forget it.

And for midfielders, buying backups is good. i don't see much options out there that can seriously improve out first choice MF and i would really like to see Gourcuff getting a much regular place now, his quality shouldn't be waste on the bench.

hwmook
19-08-2007, 22:39
btw, R. Oliveira is on fire for Zaragoza - he scored a brace today vs Palermo - his second for Real Z. since his move there, I think - and is doing so in some style.

so i guess R.Z. would be willing to buy him over, good news for us to rid ourselves of a misfit.

rt9
20-08-2007, 02:19
Somehow, I knew Oliveira would come good. The only problem was we signed him in a hurry and at the wrong time. We signed him AFTER his serious knee injury and BEFORE he was tested in Europe (post injury, that is). He was on loan in Brazil when we signed him. And we are not the sort of club that can have a player complete his rehab in the starting 11...

What has sort of surprised me was how our management got rid of him without having signed a replacement. I had always thought that some deal was definitely done somewhere and there would be plans b, c, d in case it didnt work out. But now, we are left with 3 attackers, 2 of whom are injury prone, and the other one "off-form prone"...

Giorgos
20-08-2007, 04:02
Somehow, I knew Oliveira would come good. The only problem was we signed him in a hurry and at the wrong time. We signed him AFTER his serious knee injury and BEFORE he was tested in Europe (post injury, that is). He was on loan in Brazil when we signed him. And we are not the sort of club that can have a player complete his rehab in the starting 11...

What has sort of surprised me was how our management got rid of him without having signed a replacement. I had always thought that some deal was definitely done somewhere and there would be plans b, c, d in case it didnt work out. But now, we are left with 3 attackers, 2 of whom are injury prone, and the other one "off-form prone"...

Good post, if we were to stay with 3 strikers would be better to keep RO but....

Jim_UK
20-08-2007, 06:15
Jim, its ridiculous to even think about having a team made up of the world top 11 so your arguement is invalid right from the start.


I think you need to re-read the part of my post you quoted as i clearly state that i wasn't suggesting we solely buy players who'd make up a world 11. So in that essence, your argument is invalid from the start and not mine.

Nalx
20-08-2007, 07:17
Somehow, I knew Oliveira would come good. The only problem was we signed him in a hurry and at the wrong time. We signed him AFTER his serious knee injury and BEFORE he was tested in Europe (post injury, that is). He was on loan in Brazil when we signed him. And we are not the sort of club that can have a player complete his rehab in the starting 11...


We waited patiently for Pippo's return from injury for about two years and the rest is history. And only God knows how many years Ambro spent in rehab. I really like RO when he was playing for Betis. Perhaps the La Liga atmosphere suits him the most. Good luck RO

Franco6
20-08-2007, 09:50
Just for everyone's info, yesterday Ricardo Oliveira scored 2 goals in Zaragoza's loss to Palermo. (4-2) Honestly the Palermo keeper could have saved the first one.

Tony29.
20-08-2007, 09:52
Today's news PART I (it's still early and if there are more news till tonight, then part II will follow)

1. Juventus striker Marcelo Zalayeta is set to jon Napoli, according to his agent Daniel Delgado.
“Tomorrow Zalayeta should become a Napoli player,” Delgado told Naples’ Radio Kiss Kiss.

2. According to Corriere, Milan will have 11 Brazilians in the team next year because Emerson will join Milan now while Dinho and Alex will join you in 2008
*simple maths :) , but they forget that Cafu and Serginho will probably leave Milan next year.

3. Again Corriere Dello Sport : Milan, Roma and Juve will be shopping in Madrid in next week. Milan is after Emerson, Roma after Cicinho and Juve is after Cannavaro.

4. Tuttosport : Boumsong is close to an exit from Juve and his replacement will be Samuel from Inter :rolleyes:

5. Manchester United are trying in every possible way to stop Heinze from joining Liverpool. It is reported in 'Times' that ManU have offered Heinze to both Real and Barcelona

6. Middlesbrough have offered 8m euro for Herenveen's attacker Afonso Alves

7. 11 Milan players will be absent these next few days due to their matches with their NT's. Pippo, Pirlo, Oddo, Gattuso, Ambrosini, Kaka, Gourcuff, Kaladze, Seedorf, Jankulovski and Simic

8. Cicinho to Roma is only a question of hours. Today the transfer should be official (Marca)

9. This will be the last playing season for Rui Costa and from next year he'll be the new GD in Benfica

mrki
20-08-2007, 10:18
Its all good except for no.3 and the part where Canna joins Juve :)

Good work Tony, keep it up and slowly but surely you'll become real Milan fan.

Arildonardo
20-08-2007, 10:37
Berlusconi claims that Ronaldinho is a dream for Milan and their fans. He even says that Laporta of Barcelona didn't exclude the possibility of a swap with Kaka...

http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=388357

All I can say is that I agree that Ronaldinho is a dream, but NOT at the expense of Kaka. I'd choose Kaka over Ronaldinho any day!

King tiger
20-08-2007, 10:50
4. Tuttosport : Boumsong is close to an exit from Juve and his replacement will be Samuel from Inter
rofl

replacing bad defender with..... a bad defender :D

peters
20-08-2007, 10:53
bad or not, i think samuel is still doctor of defending for boumsong, right?

Ghost
20-08-2007, 10:53
Berlusconi claims that Ronaldinho is a dream for Milan and their fans. He even says that Laporta of Barcelona didn't exclude the possibility of a swap with Kaka...

http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=388357

All I can say is that I agree that Ronaldinho is a dream, but NOT at the expense of Kaka. I'd choose Kaka over Ronaldinho any day!

I also read that somewhere, I know Silvio wont ever let him go even if Laporta wants a swap because firstly Kaka is going to be made into a Milan icon and secondly Kaka doesn't even like Barca as he prefers Madrid. I would never swap Kaka with R10, as im sure Barca would never want to swap R10 with Kaka and Man United would never swap R7 with any player.

rahul.acm
20-08-2007, 11:04
Berlusconi claims that Ronaldinho is a dream for Milan and their fans. He even says that Laporta of Barcelona didn't exclude the possibility of a swap with Kaka...

http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=388357

All I can say is that I agree that Ronaldinho is a dream, but NOT at the expense of Kaka. I'd choose Kaka over Ronaldinho any day!

This news does no good to us. In spite of him being the most pious being in our team, Kaka will be pissed at this. Now, for Kaka it would apper that Ronaldinho is more important to Milan than himself.

I hope Berlu's words were manipulated by some foxy journalist else this might kick start another Real-Kaka campaign.

Nice to be back at MM. :p017:

zlatanov
20-08-2007, 11:18
welcome back, rahul. :)

I believe that neither silvio nor laporta has even said anything about one of them proposing a swap deal DInho-Kaka and the other being open to it.
This rumour was started by an article in Sport (or was it Marca) more as a speculation than anything concrete and now it seems it has made it's way to becoming a QUOTE by Silvio himself - inventive journalism at it's best, I guess.

Plus, even if Silvio said something along those lines, which I doubt, he would hardly have said it in a serious way but morer as a joke especially after all those "Kaka will be our new symbol" speaches and he knows very well that this is exactly what Real M and As are waiting for to start another sharade of pictures of Kaka in a Madrid jersey ... although right now those two are probably a bit too busy coming up with excuses for that glorious performance vs Sevilla :D

Tony29.
20-08-2007, 11:22
bad or not, i think samuel is still doctor of defending for boumsong, right?
He is much more reliable than Boumsong and i don't know why people think Samuel is a bad defender. I'd take him to my team without thinking. But i used rolleyes with a purpose because Tuttosport are being silly again. There's no chance Moratti to sell Samuel to Milan or Juve.

As for Boumsong. People think he's a real disaster because of his awful season in Newcastle but it's far from the truth. As you can see Domenech is still counting on him and he included him in the French squad, just like he did for the WC when he took him to Germany. You may think Domenech doesn't know what he's doing but then why did Deschamps want him in Juve and why is Houllier trying to get him to Lyon ?
Boumsong is respected among French coaches and it's happening with a reason. He is very good, i'd dare say great defender for 89 minutes, but that 1 minute of the match where he will certainly make a silly error is why he isn't a world class. Boumsong has practically everything a great defender needs to have : pace, heading, jumping, positioning, marking but unfortunately he also has what every bad defender has - lack of concentration at certain point of the match.
I'm sure that if he plays for Sampdoria or Palermo or some other team that can allow conceding a silly goal if the defense is good for the rest of the match, he will be their best defender. But a big club can not allow J.A Boumsong in the team.

k7r
20-08-2007, 11:48
Berlu.................Pls dont swap our beloved Kaka with any player on planet earth....not even R10.............pleeeeeeeeeeez....

K7.a true milan fan from Kerala(God's own country),India

Russo-Neri
20-08-2007, 12:18
Berlusconi claims that Ronaldinho is a dream for Milan and their fans. He even says that Laporta of Barcelona didn't exclude the possibility of a swap with Kaka...

http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=388357

All I can say is that I agree that Ronaldinho is a dream, but NOT at the expense of Kaka. I'd choose Kaka over Ronaldinho any day!

This is one of those stories where I just look the other way and assume that someone was misquoted. NO WAY this can happen. No WAY would it make any sense for Berlu to offer a swap and finally NO WAY it makes sense for Berlu to admit this conversation publicly.

atreides602
20-08-2007, 12:28
the day we loose kaka is the day football will stop be a part of my life.

King tiger
20-08-2007, 12:36
so you support milan just coz of kaka ?

Ghost
20-08-2007, 12:51
so you support milan just coz of kaka ?

No, im sure what he meant was if Kaka got sold he will no longer be interested in Football. I know where he's coming from because there are some supporters out there who get introduced into a team because of a specific player, for me it was Shevchenko and when he left last year, did I stop supporting Milan? Nope

Its just one of those things, there will be children today who started supporting Milan because of Kaka and when they get to know the team they will realize its not made up of one player but players like Gattuso, Pirlo, Nesta & Co.

Tony29.
20-08-2007, 13:25
No, im sure what he meant was if Kaka got sold he will no longer be interested in Football. I know where he's coming from because there are some supporters out there who get introduced into a team because of a specific player, for me it was Shevchenko and when he left last year, did I stop supporting Milan? Nope

Its just one of those things, there will be children today who started supporting Milan because of Kaka and when they get to know the team they will realize its not made up of one player but players like Gattuso, Pirlo, Nesta & Co.
Yes, so true !
When you're young it's almost always a certain player that makes you start following a certain team. With time you get attached to the team and you love it no matter who comes or goes from the club and no matter what happens to the club.

These players are usually your countrymen or some superstars. That's one of the reasons (not main reason though) why teams want superstars. The superstar will bring you good results and many shirt sales but the superstar will bring you many new kid fans who'll start loving the team and will spend money on jerseys and stuff even when they will not be kids anymore and when the man because of whom they started loving the team left long time ago.

I have 2 brothers. My older brother is 39 and he was the greatest fan ever of Ruud Gullit. Back in late 80's it was unusual a guy from Yugoslavia to be a fan of some foreign team for a simple reason that foreign leagues weren't broadcast ( there was no internet back then also) and we couldn't watch CL or UEFA (unless a Yugoslav team played) except for the final match. But my brother saw Gullit, loved Gullit and started following Milan because of Gullit. After Gullit left Milan he continued loving the team and now he's older with 2 kids and he's not following football that much but guess what's the favorite club of his oldest boy (he's 15) ?
I on the other hand, didn't love Gullit and Milan (:) ) but it happened 3 very important players for me to join Juve. First it was one of the legends of my home team Hajduk, Robert Jarni who joined Juve. The decisive was Jugovic (i'm a Croat and he's a Serb. He moved to Juve when the war in Yugoslavia was still on. You can see the power of football here) who moved to Juve in 1995. Then we were able to follow more football on TV and i was able to follow him and Juve winning everything. And the icing on the cake was another Hajduk hero-Alen Boksic who joined Juve in 1996.
Now when i think about it, i didn't have a choice. It was Juve or nothing for me. All three of them left Juve a long time ago and as you can see i still love this team.
My younger brother is also a Juventino, although not so passioned, and he started following Juve because of Zidane.

Same thing happened to Milan fans worldwide. Van Basten, Gullit, Savicevic, Maldini, Shevchenko, Kaka. These guys brought so many fans to Milan.

King tiger
20-08-2007, 14:07
and we couldn't watch CL or UEFA (unless a Yugoslav team played) except for the final match.

ot but are you sure? i was too young to remember but other say that tv broadcasted cl ?

and yes, when i was a kid i got a van basten-number milan shirt so i decided that i will support milan :D after the war i watched couple of milan games and started following them more regularly and now im a true fan :D

but i asked atreides coz he said smthg like if kaka goes he wont follow football anymore.

Tony29.
20-08-2007, 14:24
ot but are you sure? i was too young to remember but other say that tv broadcasted cl ?

I'm positive. But i'm talking about Champions Cup matches in the 80's when a Yugo team didn't play.
Yes, the final of Champions Cup was always broadcasted but we could have watched the semis or quarters only if Zvezda,Partizan, Dinamo or Hajduk were in it.
You know, there were only 5 rounds in champions Cup. Yugoslav champion was almost always passing the first 2 rounds and we could have watched those matches. But if they were eliminated in the 1/4's then we could have only dreamed about watching the semis.

That's why it was so hard to have a favorite foreign team and to follow it. The only way you could have watched your fav team was if they were playing against a Yugo team.

Maltese Charlie
20-08-2007, 14:28
welcome back, rahul. :)

I believe that neither silvio nor laporta has even said anything about one of them proposing a swap deal DInho-Kaka and the other being open to it.
This rumour was started by an article in Sport (or was it Marca) more as a speculation than anything concrete and now it seems it has made it's way to becoming a QUOTE by Silvio himself - inventive journalism at it's best, I guess.

Plus, even if Silvio said something along those lines, which I doubt, he would hardly have said it in a serious way but morer as a joke especially after all those "Kaka will be our new symbol" speaches and he knows very well that this is exactly what Real M and As are waiting for to start another sharade of pictures of Kaka in a Madrid jersey ... although right now those two are probably a bit too busy coming up with excuses for that glorious performance vs Sevilla :D

It was only a JOKE! between the presidents.

rosoneri_11
20-08-2007, 14:45
Silvio has said in the past that choosing between Kaka and Ronaldinho he would choose Kaka.He has also said that Kaka is the best player on the world and he can't lose him for Ronaldinho.

So what have changed since then? I think these news are a big joke.

atreides602
20-08-2007, 15:17
so you support milan just coz of kaka ?
that's a silly question, i'm not suporting milan only for kaka, i'm a milan fan since 1988, i couldn't imagine milan without gullit and mvb but it hapened , life go's on , all i'm sayn' is that if kaka leave us, all that talk 'bout milan been a big family and all is just a bunch of bulls..., just comercial crap, and futball is just money so... no futball for me then. :mad:

King tiger
20-08-2007, 15:21
that's a silly question, i'm not suporting milan only for kaka, i'm a milan fan since 1988, i couldn't imagine milan without gullit and mvb but it hapened , life go's on , all i'm sayn' is that if kaka leave us, all that talk 'bout milan been a big family and all is just a bunch of bulls..., just comercial crap, and futball is just money so... no futball for me then. :mad:
:D
hmm but i think that leting player go when he wants that is ok, unhappy player = family problems

rosoneri_11
20-08-2007, 16:04
From now we had 10 days left for summer transfers. Lets see if our managment will do something in those 10 days.

Even if they buy 1 player that will not be enough.

ACMILAN1983
20-08-2007, 17:04
I believe Silvio and Laporta were joking, and that the swap talk was back in 2006. Additionally, I believe it was something like they'd alternate between Milan and Barca every year ;)

If you were to pick a world 11, how many of our players would honestly get into it? True, it's formation dependent. But still, even then you're talking 3 or 4 maximum (Pirlo, Gattuso, Kaka, Nesta), so i don't see us having lots of the world's best in our side. Now i'm not saying the only players we should have for our side are the ones in a world 11 or anything. What i'm saying is that there are plenty of places in our side that could be taken by someone.

Serginho, someone who none of us know if he can hack it now. Favalli, solid but not consistent in either attack or defence. Same for Jankulovski. Maldini can't even play CB more than a few games in a row so he has no chance of being LB. Kaladze? Well he's an option but lets be serious, if Abidal really wanted us he'd be ahead of all these players because he's a better player.

These views are just what you get from reading the threads after matches, so i'm not the only one who thinks this.

Have we trusted Gorcuff with it? He hardly ever played last season, what's to say this season will be any different? Just because 'they' say they don't want to limit his chances by getting other midfielders doesn't mean it's the truth does it.

Again, if we got someone like Lucho Gonzales for the LM alongside Pirlo & Gattuso, he'd go straight ahead of Serginho or Jankulovski. Players like these guys are now just utility players, they're there as options not as first choice. Plus Gourcuff would still be on the bench and be able to play alot of games, it's not like he'd be scrapped if we got a decent midfielder is it.

As for strikers, if we bought a decent striker they'd go straight into the team along side Ronaldo. Gilardino still seems a bit out of place and Inzaghi is now more of an impact striker, playing only a few games in a row. Kaka is/was only playing further up field as we didn't have other options. Had we had another striker (and who was in form more importantly), he'd have stayed in his usual position.

I just see our squad as very utility based, which has its merits of course but sometimes trying fit a square peg into a round hole just doesn't work.

About the World's best, we could argue 5-6 (Considering Seedorf's form, which Zidane rated very highly a few months ago and Ronaldo, who was back with a bang last season). In all honesty, compared to almost every big side out there, we have more talent in our first team.

In LB I agree we can improve, but even Abidal would still face competition from Janku mainly and the others are always there to play the position too (Maldini can play if absoloutely necessary). Abidal imo isn't as good as people make him out to be, and I believe Milan management felt the same, so didn't push as hard as possible for him. Defensively, he's more solid than Janku, but his offensive contribution isn't as good.

I don't see why management would lie about giving Gourcuff chances. I mean I don't buy they won't buy a defensive midfielder to give him a chance (makes no sense as he's a different player), but I took last season as the probation year for Gourcuff to show he is capable in Italy and can fit into Milan. This season I expect he'll be given more chances, because it's now the time for him to prove that he has an important role in Milan in the future. He's shown raw talent, now he has to show more.

I also don't see why we'd want Lucho Gonzales in LM. From what I've seen of him, the role isn't too well suited to him (he's better central) and really, he'd still be a squad player, alternating with Ambro who has made that position his and rightly so (a role which Seedorf and Gourcuff can both play).

I honestly trust our strikeforce to deliver. I wouldn't be against another purchase, but potentially I think we have the best in the world, it's a case of getting the best out of what we have.

I think our quality more than anything comes from not just the technical ability of the players, but also the unity and especially the close knit group. Each player knows those around him almost flawlessly, knowing exactly how to play with them. I think we've seen in preseason a lot of potential and a well oiled machine, despite the squad clearly not being ready yet. If I'm quite blunt, I think our signings are often much more intelligent than given credit for.

Jim_UK
20-08-2007, 17:09
I guess we'll just agree to disagree :D

ACMILAN1983
20-08-2007, 17:26
I guess we'll just agree to disagree :D

Agreed :5ok:

Kaka--7thUCL
20-08-2007, 22:12
I'd take Ronaldinho over Kaka' any day, but that's probably only because he's my favorite player, and half of my fave players have some type of specialties -- ronaldinho has it all, a true complete player, love him, hopefully we get him, but not by selling kaka..

hitmannq8
20-08-2007, 22:14
I'd take Ronaldinho over Kaka' any day


:stupid: :sweeteye:

Mystik
20-08-2007, 22:14
I'd take Ronaldinho over Kaka' any day, but that's probably only because he's my favorite player, and half of my fave players have some type of specialties -- ronaldinho has it all, a true complete player, love him, hopefully we get him, but not by selling kaka..
Because you're easily deceived by step overs and fancy flicks but don't feel bad, about half the world has also succumb to it.

rt9
20-08-2007, 23:14
Okay guys, let's stop with the "knee-jerk" responses to the Kaka is leaving Milan rumours. I think it is pretty obvious that he is NOT leaving us, at least for this year. I dont think Silvio could have made it any clearer. As for the newspaper stories, they will just continue, but that doesnt mean there is any truth to it. I guarantee you, if Kaka has a bad game, or a disagreement with Ancelotti about something, the rumours will resurface. Similar with R10, each time he has a subpar performance or misses a training session :) the headline would read "Ronaldinho to Milan", but in the end of the day, I think it's plain obvious that he's not leaving Barca, at least for this year...

All Im worried about now is whether we will get a fourth striker. If there was a year when we need a fourth striker, it would have to be this year. I dont think injury-prone Pippo or Ronaldo will last the season, and with Gila, there are still questions about his performances in decisive games. We ought to have kept RO or at least held on to Boriello...

will4li
20-08-2007, 23:22
I think it's time we add some fresh elements on our aged defence lineups. I mean some big one in the making;some future stars who can mature in the current system. just like we did with gorky in MD and pato in front.I suggest we should begin with LB.janku was a MD,got some flaws as a LB, the other two are pushing their 40s. how about juv's chiellini ,he is having some problems with the club right now ,they may put him on the market. or marseille's taiwo, this guy really impress me a lot. very strong phasically and mentally also; good skills,;may have flaws tactically,as lots of african defenders may have, but that's the beauty part, to make him tactic-wise with our wellkown veterans.

slicknick
21-08-2007, 02:37
a true complete player

I beg to differ ... "RELATIVELY SPEAKING", the guy lacks discipline & more selfish, Kaka has both of these qualities in abundance...
Though in terms of talent I see what you mean, one cannot be a complete player with tricks and juggling only... As Cantona said, "You can play violin like a virtuoso, or you can sing like a canary, but you can only make beautiful music if you know how to play in an orchestra"... And that, as far as I'm concerned, is the area where Kaka trumps Ronaldinho...
Would I like to see R10 in Milan?? Definitely... That would certainly make our midfield/offensive line look formidable but I wouldn't take him over Kaka, as he is less of a team player than Ricky is.

will4li
21-08-2007, 03:46
[QUOTE]I beg to differ ... "RELATIVELY SPEAKING", the guy lacks discipline & more selfish, Kaka has both of these qualities in abundance...
Though in terms of talent I see what you mean, one cannot be a complete player with tricks and juggling only... As Cantona said, "You can play violin like a virtuoso, or you can sing like a canary, but you can only make beautiful music if you know how to play in an orchestra"... And that, as far as I'm concerned, is the area where Kaka trumps Ronaldinho...
Would I like to see R10 in Milan?? Definitely... That would certainly make our midfield/offensive line look formidable but I wouldn't take him over Kaka, as he is less of a team player than Ricky is.

I think R10 is equal a teamplayer as ricky. they are just different type of leaders the team is built on.
With his fast pace, ricky is more of a threat on the open court.R10 will be more dangerous when the formation is tight and there is less space.
I think the coach is building the current team in a ricky mode.three DM two OM, and ballcontrolling tactics means space upfront.R10 will be a second violin in this formation.

peters
21-08-2007, 04:29
i was just looking highlight of first portugese round and now i want quaresma even more - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvxFuI3CUkM
Ribery showed why we could find ourselves missing him very much too - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isJaia7iid8

slicknick
21-08-2007, 05:05
I think R10 is equal a teamplayer as ricky. they are just different type of leaders the team is built on.
With his fast pace, ricky is more of a threat on the open court.R10 will be more dangerous when the formation is tight and there is less space.
I think the coach is building the current team in a ricky mode.three DM two OM, and ballcontrolling tactics means space upfront.R10 will be a second violin in this formation.

You cannot dispute that Ronaldinho likes to play with the ball a lot more than Ricky does though, can you? Other than that you are making a fair point...In my defence, though, I never said he was completely selfish and not a team player at all...I just pointed out that in comparison to him, Kaka has better teamworking ability

slicknick
21-08-2007, 05:25
Can someone translate this to English? Found it on Goal.com


Ore 10.30, ultimo atto per la firma rossonera del Puma? In mattinata è previsto un incontro tra Bronzetti e la società madridista.

Uno vuole 11 milioni di euro, l'altro vuole il prestito con diritto di riscatto fissato a 5 milioni. Parti distanti, quelle in campo per la cessione di Emerson al Milan, che potrebbero però riavvicinarsi nella mattinata di oggi.

Alle 10.30, infatti, il mediatore Ernesto Bronzetti è atteso nella sede madridista da Ramon Calderon per parlare del passaggio del "Puma" alla corte di Carlo Ancelotti. Il discorso sembra dipanarsi, per l'appunto, sulla necessità che il Real accetti le condizioni del Milan.

Emerson, infatti, guadagna già abbastanza e i rossoneri vorrebbero evitare di appesantire il bilancio sborsando una cifra considerata alta vista l'età del giocatore. Il tutto considerando la volontà dello stesso brasiliano: lui ha già deciso. Vuole il Milan. Così come voleva la Juventus ai tempi della Roma...

Jim_UK
21-08-2007, 07:28
I should imagine it's just a report about Milan meeting Real about Emerson today. That's what one of the Italian papers is on about anyway.

Yeah Kaka's rubbish, lets get rid of him!

mrki
21-08-2007, 07:39
Today is the "last" meeting for Emerson and Madrid's price is 11 mln, Milan's offer is 5. Im quite sure we'll meet somewhere around 7-8 for Emerson. Which is still ok price as he is a quality player. He would change Gattuso or Pirlo and free Gourcuff for more advanced attacking role.

Ronaldo looks like he will not be ready for Genova, Sevilla and Fiorentina :( IS ANYONE ACTUALLY SURPRISED BY THIS???? Now we have only 2 forwards, Its really something that should never happen in Milan.

slicknick
21-08-2007, 07:49
Now we have only 2 forwards, Its really something that should never happen in Milan.


That's messed up !!! With Willy Aubameyang, we have got 3 strikers and that's certainly not enough... I hope our boys can pull it off before the reinforcements(Ronaldo after fully recovering and Pato in January) arrive

King tiger
21-08-2007, 08:07
ho do you know ronaldos situation i remember that ancelloti said that ronnie will be ready after trofeo berlusconi :(

Giorgos
21-08-2007, 08:36
Today is the "last" meeting for Emerson and Madrid's price is 11 mln, Milan's offer is 5. Im quite sure we'll meet somewhere around 7-8 for Emerson. Which is still ok price as he is a quality player. He would change Gattuso or Pirlo and free Gourcuff for more advanced attacking role.

Ronaldo looks like he will not be ready for Genova, Sevilla and Fiorentina :( IS ANYONE ACTUALLY SURPRISED BY THIS???? Now we have only 2 forwards, Its really something that should never happen in Milan.

But bla, bla, bla from some here. About team spirit, if we will not have haelthy players we will not have any team spirit :grinser: :mad: .

jpick
21-08-2007, 08:52
Ronaldo looks like he will not be ready for Genova, Sevilla and Fiorentina :( IS ANYONE ACTUALLY SURPRISED BY THIS???? Now we have only 2 forwards, Its really something that should never happen in Milan.

where did you read that?

Maltese Charlie
21-08-2007, 08:55
Emerson is coming!!!
Galliani is flying back to Madrid to close the deal.



@ Zlatanov : if we missed him again this time I'll break my crystal ball in bits & pieces. :grinser: ..... but no..... tonight it will be official. :devf:

zlatanov
21-08-2007, 09:44
Emerson is coming!!!
Galliani is flying back to Madrid to close the deal.



@ Zlatanov : if we missed him again this time I'll break my crystal ball in bits & pieces. :grinser: ..... but no..... tonight it will be official. :devf:
and here is Charlie's crystal ball:
http://www.tgcom.mediaset.it/controcampo/articoli/articolo375959.shtml
and these too:
http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/SerieA/Squadre/Milan/Primo_Piano/2007/08_Agosto/21/emerson.shtml
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=23&a=51869

tgcom gives it to be a done deal after Bronzetti managed to strike an agreement with the Fabulous Two and called Galliani to bring his butt to Madrid :D

let's hope he brings JB too, not that I'd refuse Canna either :grinser:

Russo-Neri
21-08-2007, 10:02
and here is Charlie's crystal ball:
http://www.tgcom.mediaset.it/controcampo/articoli/articolo375959.shtml
and these too:
http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/SerieA/Squadre/Milan/Primo_Piano/2007/08_Agosto/21/emerson.shtml
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=23&a=51869

tgcom gives it to be a done deal after Bronzetti managed to strike an agreement with the Fabulous Two and called Galliani to bring his butt to Madrid :D

let's hope he brings JB too, not that I'd refuse Canna either :grinser:



I'll be so happy if this is true! Emerson will really help this team by giving some solid depth. The fact that Gattuso was so supportive of his signing makes me want him more.

And I agree that it would be a dream if Galliani brought back Baptiste too. Maybe the news about Ronaldo will wake us up and make Berlu open the checkbook finally. We needed a striker, and address this need by getting rid of Boriello and RO and replace them with nothing except a 17 year old that can't play until January and is supposed to miraculously step in and immediately be the next Ronaldo :rolleyes:

Tony29.
21-08-2007, 10:03
Emerson is coming!!!
Galliani is flying back to Madrid to close the deal.



@ Zlatanov : if we missed him again this time I'll break my crystal ball in bits & pieces. :grinser: ..... but no..... tonight it will be official. :devf:
Your crystal ball is way too late. Some two months ago, in this topic, i said " I know the name of the midfielder who will come to Milan". Too bad no one asked me for the name. I swear i meant Emerson :)

zlatanov
21-08-2007, 10:07
we, I at least, didn't ask you 'cause it was obvious who you meant :)

and that doesn't count, you just got lucky ... it'd be wise of you to admit it without any torture :D

mrki
21-08-2007, 10:09
Gazzetta was reporting that Ronaldo is not ready yet and that in Milan they dont want to risk anything and they'll let him to recover fully. Most likely Gila will start in Genoa and Pippo in Monte Carlo. So, we will win CL and Supercup without Ronaldo! :) Wait till he comes back and plus Emerson and Pato the flying duck,hehe. No one can stop us I say, no one...buahahahaha...

Now for real: Emerson had a poor last season and he was slow and unfit. But his last season with Juve was brilliant and Im sure that, with smaller number of games played, he can play at the highest level this season also. Still, Its hard to say this but...when he is ready, he is a better player than our legend Ambro...

Jim_UK
21-08-2007, 10:23
Real don't have much concept for prices do they. 11 million euros (which is probably what they paid for him in the first place) for a player who's a year older, had a bad season, is probably unfit and a bit out of shape. Someone should tell them about depreciation.

6 million euros take it or leave it. Baring in mind they'll have a rebel in their midst causing even more chaos in the team. They should snap our hands off for it.

Tony29.
21-08-2007, 10:30
News, Notizie, Vijesti, Вести, Noticias, ειδήσεις, Nachrichten ..........


1. Bloody AS bastards. They just can't stop following players in Milan. This time they started a story about a player from Milano, more precisely from Inter Milano, Zlatan Ibrahimovic and how he could join Real for 20m euro.
Knowing AS, our Interisti friends will have a lot of fun when reading the news from Spain in the next 2 years :)

2. Heinze drama is still on. He's definitely not going to Liverpool and definitely leaving ManU. But the name of his future team is still a mystery. After it was reported that he was offered to Barcelona and Real, today Juve is back in the game and so is Lyon.

3. Valencia offered 22m euro for van der Vaart but it looks like he'll stay in Hamburg

4. La Liga didn't start yet but there are reports in Marca that many players in Real are disappointed with Schuster and they are asking for Capello to come back. According to them the winning atmosphere Capello created is now being ruined.

5. According to Marca things with Cicinho got complicated and now Real asks for 15m euro for the RB.

6. Lazio is back in the game for Amelia after they couldn't have signed Carrizo. Amelia is very expensive so Lazio may even give up on him and try to get Cudicini from Chelsea.

7. Riquelme will probably play in England, his agent says. Tottenham offered 15m euro for him and it's much more than any other team has offered so far.

8. After the disastrous start of the season and the injury of Rooney, looks like Ferguson is back in the market looking for a striker. #1 candidate is Obafemi Martins and #2 is Nicolas Anelka.

9. Manchester City offered 8m euro for Celta Vigo midfielder Oubiña . Celta are asking 10m euro

10. Sevilla are also looking for an attacker and one of their directors was in Eindhoven to negotiate with PSV about Arouna Kone.

11. Fiorentina bought another attacker. It's Caccia from Piacenza. Good attacker.

12. Young Giuseppe Rossi is really bitter of the way Italian teams threat Italian players . He said " No one in Italia wants to invest in young Italian talents but they spend big on foreign talents. That's why i had to escape to Spain"
Rossi was , as reported, talking about Milan who didn't want him but they payed +20m for Pato

13. Inter are also active on the market and they are still looking for new players. Modesto from Reggina is the latest name in Mancini's list.

14. EMERSON JOINED MILAN......according to Sky

15. Blasi and Zalayeta joined Napoli

mrki
21-08-2007, 10:39
Tony you really deserve some kind of avard for these news you provide us with every day.

Im happy for Napoli as I want to see strong Napoli this year.
Madrid "Real" makes me laugh even more every year. Whoi the hell is running this club? Amateurs? We bought Ronaldo and Emerson for 10mln from them...

zlatanov
21-08-2007, 10:58
Real don't have much concept for prices do they. 11 million euros (which is probably what they paid for him in the first place) for a player who's a year older, had a bad season, is probably unfit and a bit out of shape. Someone should tell them about depreciation.

6 million euros take it or leave it. Baring in mind they'll have a rebel in their midst causing even more chaos in the team. They should snap our hands off for it.
actually, the cost of the transfer is believed to be 5 mil euros for full ownership, not a loan with a buy-out clause.
What can I say, it's nice doing business with Real M these days. :grinser:

Siregar
21-08-2007, 11:03
actually, the cost of the transfer is believed to be 5 mil euros for full ownership, not a loan with a buy-out clause.
What can I say, it's nice doing business with Real M these days. :grinser:
Let them buy so many good players as they want for so expensive price, and in the next(s) year we will buy few of them who can't give their best in Real for much billiger price. :respect:

ps : For the best player(s), we wont let them go to Madrid. :)

thomas_h
21-08-2007, 11:05
ok
now
just give me the official news of Emerson to MIlan . . . . . . .. .. . . . .. fiuh . . . . at last . . . .
so after emerson, who`s next ? Baptista ? wait till Robben comes to Real

Siregar
21-08-2007, 11:09
Rossi was , as reported, talking about Milan who didn't want him but they payed +20m for Pato

I still believe we bought Pato for around 10 mil pounds (ca. 15 mil euros). I can't believe Milan paid (almost) half of the transfer for Pato and agents. I think this is not a type of Milan officials these days. They normally ONLY want to buy free or cheap or exchanged players. :grinser: :respect:

jpick
21-08-2007, 11:12
actually, the cost of the transfer is believed to be 5 mil euros for full ownership, not a loan with a buy-out clause.
What can I say, it's nice doing business with Real M these days. :grinser:

:5ok:

wow, that would be a good deal

Jim_UK
21-08-2007, 11:19
Zlat, i thought 5 million was all that we were prepared to offer for Emerson, while Real were asking for 11 million.

Tony29.
21-08-2007, 11:21
actually, the cost of the transfer is believed to be 5 mil euros for full ownership, not a loan with a buy-out clause.
What can I say, it's nice doing business with Real M these days. :grinser:
Dunno if Milan really outsmarted Real on this, Zlat. I would say it was close to a fair deal.

11m euro Real asked were simply too much. Emerson is 31 and in April he'll be 32. No one can convince me that a 31/32 yo DM is worthy 11m euro

The fair price for Emerson, imo, was 6m euro so we can say that Milan earned 1m.
If i saw it right, Emo will sign only a 2 years contract with Milan. Considering his age and considering that he's not getting any better Milan were also aware that Emo is a short-term solution, who can do great for a year or two, but paying more than 6m for someone who probably won't last more than 2 years, would have been stupid.

As for the loan deal option. Here i also don't think Milan outsmarted Real. Actually, future can give the answer on this, but if we use the logic then we'll see that both teams would have had to take a risk if Milan payed 2m for a year loan with an option to buy him for 5m.
If Emo has a good season then Real will lose 2m euro. But Real can't know if he'll have a good season or not. If he has a bad season then they'll be stuck with Emerson and they'll lose the 5m Milan would have payed to them.
But what if Emo has a bad season. Milan are the ones who are taking the risk here. If he was bad then Milan would have lost only 2m euro. This way you're losing 5m euro if he's bad.

I couldn't say this better but i hope you understand what i mean. 5m euro is the price that suits both teams in this case.

Dave
21-08-2007, 11:28
Is it official that Emerson joined Milan?

zlatanov
21-08-2007, 11:29
Zlat, i thought 5 million was all that we were prepared to offer for Emerson, while Real were asking for 11 million.
I think that first deal galliani and Mijatovic reached a couple of days ago was a loan deal with a buy-out option worth 7 mil altogether - 2 mil for the first year of the loan + 5 mil for the buy-out option.
It's not been offically confirmed yet, and maybe never will be, but now Milan and Real seem to have agreed on a full ownership deal worth 5 mil.

The overall cost is less, but now Real M are assured of getting rid of Emerson's salary and getting 5 mil (sure money) as opposed to the previous agreement when they were running the chance of Milan refusing to buy-out Emerson and return him to Real after one year (basically Milan could just get Eemerson as a temporary solution untill they find a better option for their squad and Real would have still had to deal with him one year from now).

I am guessing that's what broke the ice between the two sides - Milan get's to pay less for all of Emerson (5 mil vs 7 mil before), while Real get's more money that's guaranteed to them (5 mil vs 2 mil before).

That's yet to be confirmed though ;)

Eirther way, unless Emerson has some injury issues (I'd expect Milan to make sure he doesn't before finalizing the deal, I think we are getting a lot for our money.

Dave
21-08-2007, 11:37
There isn`t any info on that on ACMilan.com

zlatanov
21-08-2007, 11:40
Dunno if Milan really outsmarted Real on this, Zlat. I would say it was close to a fair deal.

11m euro Real asked were simply too much. Emerson is 31 and in April he'll be 32. No one can convince me that a 31/32 yo DM is worthy 11m euro

The fair price for Emerson, imo, was 6m euro so we can say that Milan earned 1m.
If i saw it right, Emo will sign only a 2 years contract with Milan. Considering his age and considering that he's not getting any better Milan were also aware that Emo is a short-term solution, who can do great for a year or two, but paying more than 6m for someone who probably won't last more than 2 years, would have been stupid.

As for the loan deal option. Here i also don't think Milan outsmarted Real. Actually, future can give the answer on this, but if we use the logic then we'll see that both teams would have had to take a risk if Milan payed 2m for a year loan with an option to buy him for 5m.
If Emo has a good season then Real will lose 2m euro. But Real can't know if he'll have a good season or not. If he has a bad season then they'll be stuck with Emerson and they'll lose the 5m Milan would have payed to them.
But what if Emo has a bad season. Milan are the ones who are taking the risk here. If he was bad then Milan would have lost only 2m euro. This way you're losing 5m euro if he's bad.

I couldn't say this better but i hope you understand what i mean. 5m euro is the price that suits both teams in this case.
April is when the season ends, Tony, more or less ;) (meaning, by that time Emerson may have well paid back the entire investment)

as for Emerson, as mentioned unless he has a physical problem, which should be detected by the medical, he is pretty much a sure thing in Italy ... getting any other player would bring in more risks than getting a 31 yo Emerson, who just a year ago was probably Juve's best player - the heart of their midfield - and Juve's slump in form by March/April of 2006 was caused by Capello overplaying Emerson without any rest at all.
True, he had a bad spell in Madrid but so did Cannavaro - the world player of the year - so that I think tells us where the real problem lies ;)

Not many players with Emerson's record (and that record was achieved in Italy) are available out there and available for 5 mil at that.

Can he get injured? Yeah, but so can a unproven Sneijder for 27 mil or any other player for that matter, so this is a risk involved in any transfer.

mrki
21-08-2007, 11:42
This what I have to say on Emerson.

Madrid payed 16 mln to Juve for Emerson. In that time Emerson had a great season with Juve and Cappello was set to be Madrid's coach. It all led to Emerson becoming starter in Madrid, under Cappello's influence of course.

Emerson, for some reason, had a bad season in Madrid and looked pretty washed out entire season long. But Im not surprised at all becouse for some unknown reason some players simply dont react to Real's training sistem well. Some? most of them... :)

5 to 7 mln is fair prica for Emerson considering his age and the fact that he had a bad season last year. What is good on Milan's side in this transfer is that Milan doesnt need Emerson to play 50 games per season as we have Pirlo, Ambro, Brocchi and Gattuso. With Emerson there is no rush and Milan needs him for rotation sistem that we will use in a long season like this. We got an experienced, tactically perfect player, that knows all about serie a and can play well in Rino's and Pirlo's role. now gourcuff will have more attacking role in the squad.

If we manage to get emerson fit we'll have a great player that can do some special tasks in any formation made by Carlo. central DM, left or right. We can rest Gattuso or pirlo and time as Emerson is class above Brocchi for sure.

Tony29.
21-08-2007, 11:49
April is when the season ends, Tony, more or less ;)

as for Emerson, as mentioned unless he has a physical problem, which should be detected by the medical, he is pretty much a sure thing in Italy ... getting any other player would bring in more risks than getting a 31 yo Emerson, who just a year ago was probably Juve's best player - the heart of their midfield - and Juve's slump in form by March/April of 2006 was caused by Capello overplaying Emerson without any rest at all.
True, he had a bad spell in Madrid but so did Cannavaro - the world player of the year - so that I think tells us where the real problem lies ;)

Not many players with Emerson's record (and that record was achieved in Italy) are available out there and available for 5 mil at that.

Can he get injured? Yeah, but so can a unproven Sneijder for 27 mil or any other player for that matter, so this is a risk involved in any transfer.
No Zlat, i completely agree with you, but i was saying that it was a fair deal after all. Or if not completely fair, it was still close to fair.

You bought him for 5m but realistically speaking, how much would you have payed for him ? I believe not more than 6m ?
Milan is getting a very good and useful player but the price you payed, even though looks very cheap , is still fair. This is a very good deal for Milan.
Real on the other hand, in the situation they've put themselves, couldn't have done much better, could they ? So, they couldn't have expected to get more than 6m for him.
They did lose a million but they could have done much worse.

I think both teams are winners in this case (although, when you look at the nigger picture, Real are far from being winners considering they payed twice more for Emo only a year earlier. But at this point of time, Real could have hardly done any better)

Maltese Charlie
21-08-2007, 11:50
I valuate him as gold if he is fit.
Ancellotti now has much more options in midfield. Not only to replace Gattuso or Pirlo when they are out, but also we can play with Gattuso Pirlo Emerson Ambrosini in front of the defence to secure a result.

Tony29.
21-08-2007, 11:51
This what I have to say on Emerson.

Madrid payed 16 mln to Juve for Emerson. In that time Emerson had a great season with Juve and Cappello was set to be Madrid's coach. It all led to Emerson becoming starter in Madrid, under Cappello's influence of course.

I'm not sure about this Mrki.
Madrid payed 20m to Juve for Emerson+Cannavaro. It was never officially said how much of the 20m were for Emo and how much for Cannavaro.

But it's true that Madrid did lose a solid figure (at least 5/6m euro) on Emo

drucurl
21-08-2007, 11:53
I worry to much for sure......every deal we make with Real from now on seems like we're accepting bribes to give them Kaka :wallbang: Real sell their players to us sooo cheap...it feels like we're accepting installments :w154:

I'd have been happier we paid more money than dealt with those scumbags :yuck:

personally I'd have gone for a simple underrated young talent like....I dunno......Quaresma maybe :guw:

Dave
21-08-2007, 12:01
Hey guys, I think it`s not official, because it isn`t on acmilan.com!

Maltese Charlie
21-08-2007, 12:02
No Zlat, i completely agree with you, but i was saying that it was a fair deal after all. Or if not completely fair, it was still close to fair.

You bought him for 5m but realistically speaking, how much would you have payed for him ? I believe not more than 6m ?
Milan is getting a very good and useful player but the price you payed, even though looks very cheap , is still fair. This is a very good deal for Milan.
Real on the other hand, in the situation they've put themselves, couldn't have done much better, could they ? So, they couldn't have expected to get more than 6m for him.
They did lose a million but they could have done much worse.

I think both teams are winners in this case (although, when you look at the nigger picture, Real are far from being winners considering they payed twice more for Emo only a year earlier. But at this point of time, Real could have hardly done any better)

At this point Real could'nt do any better, but in the begining of summer they could, If they were not so arrogant and stupid, and kept Capello as a coach.

zlatanov
21-08-2007, 12:02
I'm not sure about this Mrki.
Madrid payed 20m to Juve for Emerson+Cannavaro. It was never officially said how much of the 20m were for Emo and how much for Cannavaro.

But it's true that Madrid did lose a solid figure (at least 5/6m euro) on Emo
I remmeber reading these:
http://www.marca.com/edicion/marca/futbol/1a_division/real_madrid/es/desarrollo/675356.html
http://www.cadenaser.com/articulo/deportes/Emerson/Cannavaro/nuevos/jugadores/Real/Madrid/csrcsrpor/20060719csrcsrdep_13/Tes/

Note: cadenaser reported the deal to be worth 23 mil on July 19th, while, on that same day, Marca said it was worth 20 mil ... on July 27th, Marca corrected themselves and announced the deal for Emo+Canna to Rela to be worth 23 mil euros - 7/8 for Canna and 15/16 mil for Emerson.

not sure if the distribution was the one mentioned above but that's what the press reported back then ...

Tony29.
21-08-2007, 12:03
I think both teams are winners in this case (although, when you look at the nigger picture......
I meant bigger picture, not nigger picture
:stupid:


I remmeber reading these:
http://www.marca.com/edicion/marca/futbol/1a_division/real_madrid/es/desarrollo/675356.html
http://www.cadenaser.com/articulo/deportes/Emerson/Cannavaro/nuevos/jugadores/Real/Madrid/csrcsrpor/20060719csrcsrdep_13/Tes/

Note: cadenaser reported the deal to be worth 23 mil on July 19th, while, on that same day, Marca said it was worth 20 mil ... on July 27th, Marca corrected themselves and announced the deal for Emo+Canna to Rela to be worth 23 mil euros - 7/8 for Canna and 15/16 mil for Emerson.

not sure if the distribution was the one mentioned above but that's what the press reported back then ...
I'm pretty sure Juve got 20m euro for both of them. But it could be that 16m euro were for Emerson. If you add the wages he was getting, then it turns out that Madrid did lose a lot on him.
But i still think they couldn't have sold him for more money. If they could then i'm sure the other interested guy, Mancini, would have already had Emo at his disposal :)

Rayno_acm
21-08-2007, 12:05
...Its hard to say this but...when he is ready, he is a better player than our legend Ambro...
Nope :w200:
Fit Ambro is much much better player (ask ManU players :bri: )
On his best, Ambro not only is solid at the back, but he also could deliver some goals :p286:

I'm ready to bet with anyone, that (if he is fit :w221: ), Ambro will play much more matches than Emerson. :5ok:

Stitch
21-08-2007, 12:10
I meant bigger picture, not nigger picture
:stupid:





:grinser: :grinser: you made my day, thanks tony :grinser:

King tiger
21-08-2007, 12:13
all that talk about emerson is nice but i dont want another suazo case.

is the deal official ?

Nordahl
21-08-2007, 12:21
Big Huge Stupid mistake...

Jim_UK
21-08-2007, 12:25
Emerson will be an adequate signing, if we do get him.

zlatanov
21-08-2007, 12:26
all that talk about emerson is nice but i dont want another suazo case.

is the deal official ?
you see Emerson-to-Milan is a done deal on Milan Channel? No, then how could be another Suazo case? :grinser:


I'm pretty sure Juve got 20m euro for both of them. But it could be that 16m euro were for Emerson. If you add the wages he was getting, then it turns out that Madrid did lose a lot on him.
that's what makes it a good deal IMO - the value of the player just a year ago vs what we are paying for him now.
I do agree that real didn't have much of a case to ask for much more than 5-7 mil but my point was that they did everything possible to ruin his market value in no time.

But i still think they couldn't have sold him for more money. If they could then i'm sure the other interested guy, Mancini, would have already had Emo at his disposal :)
I think it was Moratti who vetoed that transfer as he didn't want too many former Juve players in one plays ... and Emerson's words towards Vieira and Zlatan last year worked against that move either.

Big Huge Stupid mistake...
I am sure you will understand why some of us are more willing to trust the management's judgement more that yours ... it's that thing called "history record"

Tony29.
21-08-2007, 12:26
Big Huge Stupid mistake...
:haha: , i was expecting this.

Oh, and Gre-No-Li :

Dida
Serginho
Digao
Cafu
Emerson
Pato
Ronaldo
Kaka
(Ricardo Oliveira on loan
Marcus Plinio Diniz Paixao on loan)

You forgot to leave a comment about Sao Milanao and the need for Italian players in Milan :grinser:

Nordahl
21-08-2007, 12:27
Why do we need another brazilian veteran, Jim?

Nordahl
21-08-2007, 12:29
That's right, Tony... I guess we' cannot be considered nowadays as an italian side... :(

zlatanov
21-08-2007, 12:31
:haha: , i was expecting this.

Oh, and Gre-No-Li :

Dida
Serginho
Digao
Cafu
Emerson
Pato
Ronaldo
Kaka
(Ricardo Oliveira on loan
Marcus Plinio Diniz Paixao on loan)

You forgot to leave a comment about Sao Milanao and the need for Italian players in Milan :grinser:
you forgot to add Dinho and Alex for next year :D

plus, I think Emerson has an Italian passport (same with Kaka) while Ronaldo has a Spanish one, so you are obviously exaggerating the Brazilian colony at Milan :zany:

Ghost
21-08-2007, 12:32
Before I was like a big no no with the whole Emerson saga, but now after thinking about it for some time its not that bad of an idea. As someone already mentioned before when we require players in a more defensive role at the end of games when we need a draw we could play Gattuso- Pirlo- Ambro-Emerson.

Emerson could of probably done a better job than Brocchi when we lost to Manchester United at OT, well not like it matters now anyway.

Jim_UK
21-08-2007, 12:33
He's better than nothing i guess Nordahl. We'll be able to rest some players with him coming, he has a good attitude (usually). That aside though i can't say i'm enthralled by his probable capture. It just seems to me that it's another 'easy' option. Still maybe he'll become a rampaging beast in midfield and score 15 goals this season. I can hope i guess :D

Jim_UK
21-08-2007, 12:35
Gattuso- Pirlo- Ambro-Emerson.



I shudder at the thought of us playing Gattuso, Ambro & Emerson in the same midfield :yuck:

Unless we're seeing out a game, these 3 should not be on the pitch together ... ever!

Siregar
21-08-2007, 12:36
you forgot to add Dinho and Alex for next year :D

plus, I think Emerson has an Italian passport (same with Kaka) while Ronaldo has a Spanish one, so you are obviously exaggerating the Brazilian colony at Milan :zany:
Which Alex, Zlat? Can you give me a link about his profile? I supposed this Alex is the one whom Pato talked about?

zlatanov
21-08-2007, 12:39
He's better than nothing i guess Nordahl. We'll be able to rest some players with him coming, he has a good attitude (usually). That aside though i can't say i'm enthralled by his probable capture. It just seems to me that it's another 'easy' option. Still maybe he'll become a rampaging beast in midfield and score 15 goals this season. I can hope i guess :D
hey, if we sepak of first choices, I'd take Mascherano over Emerson any day ... the first one who sees the Argentinian available and has figured out who his rights belong to, will get a prize from me :D

Anyways, after a pinch or two, back to reality :D:
http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/SerieA/Squadre/Milan/Primo_Piano/2007/08_Agosto/21/emerson.shtml

Bronzetti has confirmed the deal on Rai - Emerson is a Milan player for around 5 mil euros (full ownership).

Which Alex, Zlat? Can you give me a link about his profile? I supposed this Alex is the one whom Pato talked about?
No, the former PSV CD who now moved to Chelski.
I was just making fun of Corriere's article yesterday - they were speculating that Milan, with the arrival of Dinho and Alex next year and Emerson and JB this year, would be able to field a full team of Brazilians from the GK to the strikers

Jim_UK
21-08-2007, 12:43
I'd take Papa Bouba Diop over Emerson :rotfl:

Vadim
21-08-2007, 12:43
That's right, Tony... I guess we' cannot be considered nowadays as an italian side... :(

Seven out of eleven Italian starters in a CL, 6 World Cup champions, and three more Italians than Brazilians, with the addition of Emerson.

hitmannq8
21-08-2007, 12:57
All the sites report that Bronzetti says an agreement has found and Galliani should seal it soon. I don't know, but I think by the end of the day we're in for a BOOM. Galliani do your magic and sign Robinho + Diarra for 6m! :D

Tony29.
21-08-2007, 12:59
Seven out of eleven Italian starters in a CL, 6 World Cup champions, and three more Italians than Brazilians, with the addition of Emerson.
Beh , these are only numbers. I prefer to trust Gre-No-Li on this one. Having 13 Italians in the 25 men squad means nothing. Having 6/7 Italian starters means nothing also.
What counts is the number of Brazilians. Having 2 or 3 Brazilians in Starting XI and 8 Brazilians in the squad makes you a pure Brazilian team with no italian identity.
Yes, you're Sao Milanao from now on !
You're ruining Italian football with these foreigners. Serie C for you
:mad:

K77SH C
21-08-2007, 13:00
I hope us signing Emerson doesnt mean Gourcuff will get less playing time.

If he has been brought simply to give a rest to Pirlo and Gatusso aswel as us going strongly for all trophies this year then great. But Im expecting big things from Gourcuff this year.

Siregar
21-08-2007, 13:00
No, the former PSV CD who now moved to Chelski.
I was just making fun of Corriere's article yesterday - they were speculating that Milan, with the arrival of Dinho and Alex next year and Emerson and JB this year, would be able to field a full team of Brazilians from the GK to the strikers
Ah, ok, thats alex. Thanks btw, Zlat.

zlatanov
21-08-2007, 13:02
All the sites report that Bronzetti says an agreement has found and Galliani should seal it soon. I don't know, but I think by the end of the day we're in for a BOOM. Galliani do your magic and sign Robinho + Diarra for 6m! :D
that would be impossible ... not because real wouldn't agree to a deal like that ('cause next year they may very well get even less :D) but because both Diarra and Robinho are non-EU players :(

hitmannq8
21-08-2007, 13:03
I hope us signing Emerson doesnt mean Gourcuff will get less playing time.

If he has been brought simply to give a rest to Pirlo and Gatusso aswel as us going strongly for all trophies this year then great. But Im expecting big things from Gourcuff this year.

Let Gourcuff work in peace, he's only 21, in a team full of legends and world champions. He wont be a starter but will get his time. What we need to worry about is Gilardino. This'll be his make or break season.

Ghost
21-08-2007, 13:05
What country does Diarra play for?

Tony29.
21-08-2007, 13:06
What country does Diarra play for?
Mali .

Jim_UK
21-08-2007, 13:08
This'll be his make or break season.


I thought last season was his make or break season!

I've always supported him, but he really needs to get his ass in gear and start producing. A team can't afford to carry players.

Ghost
21-08-2007, 13:11
Thanks Tony

I must say im one of the few Milan fans who is happy that we never sold RO, I feel he came to us too early after the injury suffered and this year was pretty emotional for him, when on form I think he can be deadly - lets just wait.

peters
21-08-2007, 13:13
last season was his make or break season for us engineers :)
This year its for everyone, if he doesnt produce i see him in juve next year, saying how cool it is to be with the old lady... :S

Friend of mine, a real Real fan said they bought diego milito. Cant find confirmation online, but it just might be true. They get raped by sevilla and the buy new, 7th, striker? Classy Real :)

Emerson to milan - one more option for carlo, no options for gameplay. Just another breaker in midfield. If pirlo gets injured milan is screwed all the way withouth new signings...

icculus
21-08-2007, 13:17
[QUOTE=zlatanov]hey, if we sepak of first choices, I'd take Mascherano over Emerson any day ... the first one who sees the Argentinian available and has figured out who his rights belong to, will get a prize from me :D

i wonder if milan thinks that a couple argentines would disrupt the locker room..ie tevez & mascherano?

though i do think its cool to have someone nicknamed "the puma" on our team. i know i will only refer to him as the puma for hence forth, and depending upon the situation i might even add sound effects...

thats if we sign him of course.

Ghost
21-08-2007, 13:18
If Wenger was to leave next season im more than sure alot of players would leave and I can see Cesc as the perfect long term replacement for Pirlo.

Tony29.
21-08-2007, 13:23
Emerson to milan - one more option for carlo, no options for gameplay. Just another breaker in midfield. If pirlo gets injured milan is screwed all the way withouth new signings...
True that there is no real replacement for Pirlo but Carlo can always change tactics and you're certainly not screwed if you lose Pirlo for a month or so.

Inter last year and Juve two seasons ago were playing without a Pirlo like creative midfielder and they still did very good.
Juve had 2 wingers and Emo+Vieira in midfield. It worked just fine. If you miss Pirlo you can use the same tactics. Put Oddo and Seedorf on the flanks and use two destroyers in the midfield (Gattuso+Emerson).
Emerson had the distribution role in Juventus and it wasn't as bad as someone could think. In 2005/06 it even worked perfectly. But you do need wingers for this.

zlatanov
21-08-2007, 13:37
True that there is no real replacement for Pirlo but Carlo can always change tactics and you're certainly not screwed if you lose Pirlo for a month or so.

Inter last year and Juve two seasons ago were playing without a Pirlo like creative midfielder and they still did very good.
Juve had 2 wingers and Emo+Vieira in midfield. It worked just fine. If you miss Pirlo you can use the same tactics. Put Oddo and Seedorf on the flanks and use two destroyers in the midfield (Gattuso+Emerson).
Emerson had the distribution role in Juventus and it wasn't as bad as someone could think. In 2005/06 it even worked perfectly. But you do need wingers for this.
we have Kaka (who can Nedved's role in Juve's formation) and players like Janku, Sergio and Cafu.
I think, however that Emerson could take Pirlo's role and we could have a more creative player in LM (Ambro's) like Sergio, Seedorf, Gorky as Emerson and Gattuso would give more than enough solidity to the central midfield.

Graeme C
21-08-2007, 13:41
Thanks Tony

I must say im one of the few Milan fans who is happy that we never sold RO, I feel he came to us too early after the injury suffered and this year was pretty emotional for him, when on form I think he can be deadly - lets just wait.

we didnt have the time to wait though, this is the thing. Players are payed to perform, they need to earn there playing time and cannot be carried by the team. Italy is the best and hardest league and not all players can make it there. I had doubts about Oliviera before he came to Milan, and i stick by that. He wasnt at the level before he came to Milan (regular brazilian striker that has played alot of internationals, or big scorer in champ league) which would suggest he would settle right in to Italian football. We were desperate and it was a big risk us signing him.

Lets see how he does in spain, even if he does do well worst thing we could do is sell him for a good price to another spanish club...

Im not really surprised Ronaldo is out injured, i saw this happening months ago! :pp20: But we should try and sign Di Natale at least...?

mrki
21-08-2007, 13:45
Emerson IS a good replacement for Pirlo. He hasnt gotthe passing game like Pirlo, but how does?? Vieira -NO. Makelele - no. Essien - no. MAscherano, Alonso, Carrick, Hargreeves, Toure and so on... - no. Pirlo is a unique DM and he cant be subed by a same player. Emerson is here to do something else...

Milan has its starting 11 for big matches: dida-oddo-nesta-maldini-marek-pirlo-ambro-gattuso-seedorf-kaka'-inzaghi.

We have few class players that can help out: Kaladze, Emerson, Ronaldo, Gila.
Players like: Cafu, Serginho, Gourcuff, Brocchi, Bonera... Will be used in serie a minor matches during the rotation period.

Galliani only wanted players that can play imediately in starting 11: Eto'o, Henry, Ronaldinho, Abidal... we couldnt sign them so we relied on young hope Pato and Emerson. Just fine.

Besides the team that won CL last year we will have Ronaldo, emerson and Pato in this years CL. That is not a small thing. Welcome Puma and I hope you'll all see how good this man is when he is fit.

Also, its important, CARLo wanted Emerson, and its about time he gets someone he really wants.

Giorgos
21-08-2007, 13:46
"Emerson è del Milan"

http://www.sportal.it/sportal/immagini/news/news131443.html[I]

Emerson è un giocatore del Milan. A comunicarlo è Ernesto Bronzetti, mediatore per i rossoneri nella trattativa con il Real Madrid.

"Il Milan ha comprato Emerson a titolo definitivo dal Real - spiega Bronzetti-. Prima c'era un obbligo di riscatto, invece alla fine si è concluso tutto con una cifra intorno ai 5 milioni e basta".

L'amministratore delegato dei rossoneri, Adriano Galliani, era volato nel pomeriggio di martedì a Madrid per chiudere la trattativa, che solo poche ore prima sembrava essersi definitivamente arenata.

Giorgos
21-08-2007, 13:50
Emerson is a player of the Milan. To communicate it it is Ernesto Bronzetti, mediator for the rossoneri in the negotiation with the Real Madrid. "the Milan has bought definitive Emerson a.tito it from the Real - Bronzetti explains -. Before was a obligation of redeems, instead to the end it has been concluded all with a figure around to 5 million and enough". The general executive manager of the rossoneri, Adrian Galliani, was flown in the afternoon of tuesday to Madrid in order to close the negotiation, than only little hours before he seemed definitively it run aground.

peters
21-08-2007, 13:56
Not saying emerson is bad. Heck, not saying ambro, gattuso, seedorf and brocchi are bad. But i just dont wanna see them play together. And with pirlo injured, what are the chances i will enjoy it? They may do very good but they will probably play dirty, like juve and inter did withouth a creative midfielder.

hitmannq8
21-08-2007, 13:57
Does any one know what actually is going on with Ronaldo? He played that game vs Lecco, scored a nice goal but then disappeared. How serious is his injury, and is recovery going according to plan (ie. he should be ready for Genoa).

peters, yeah u r damn right when you say his last season was his make or break for us engineers. But now that he is not our main striker anymore, maybe some of the pressure will be off his shoulders. People will now look to Ronaldo, Pippo, Kaka, Seedorf and Pirlo to win the games before Gila so that may help him if his problem is indeed a psychological one. For some reason though, I am not totally ruling him out for this season and think he might just do something, but I hope we dont depend on him because that is how we will get disappointed.

He needs to work in patience and not say things like "I expected to start the Athens game and im disappointed I didnt", or letting his agent say "Milan management do not have faith in my client". For someone who performs so bad after all that faith, he really should have never said something like that, but nevertheless Milan keep the faith in him.

Does anyone here think we in for a surprise signing? I mean, for a team that needs a striker, transfer news have been too quiet in the striker department for a few days now, is that normal? I think we might have a little chance of signing someone, but I will wait to read what the management have to say after the negotiations for Emerson are over.

BTW: Ancelotti's favourite tactic next year:

----------------- DIDA -------------------

ODDO ---- NESTA ----- KALADZE -- JANKU

BROCCHI - GATTUSO - EMERSON - AMBROSINI

-------- PIRLO ----------- SEEDORF ------

:5chore:

Giorgos
21-08-2007, 13:57
Bronzetti speaking in the Italian TV said (according to the Greek media): " A final agreement for the transfer of Emerson, not for the loan of player has taken place. There was an initial disagreement about the money that Real Madrid but finally we agreed to a payment of 5 m euro.[I][U]

Mehdi
21-08-2007, 14:06
Not saying emerson is bad. Heck, not saying ambro, gattuso, seedorf and brocchi are bad. But i just dont wanna see them play together. And with pirlo injured, what are the chances i will enjoy it? They may do very good but they will probably play dirty, like juve and inter did withouth a creative midfielder.

Emerson will be cover for Ambrosini and Gattuso. I would not expect all three to play at the same time.

Jim_UK
21-08-2007, 14:18
Emerson IS a good replacement for Pirlo. He hasnt gotthe passing game like Pirlo, but how does?? Vieira -NO. Makelele - no. Essien - no. MAscherano, Alonso, Carrick, Hargreeves, Toure and so on... - no. Pirlo is a unique DM


Firstly i don't see Pirlo as a defensive midfielder, not in the true sense of the word. Just because he plays deep doesn't mean he's a defensive player. Plus Alonso does have the passing game Pirlo has.

Giorgos
21-08-2007, 14:19
Does any one know what actually is going on with Ronaldo? He played that game vs Lecco, scored a nice goal but then disappeared. How serious is his injury, and is recovery going according to plan (ie. he should be ready for Genoa).

peters, yeah u r damn right when you say his last season was his make or break for us engineers. But now that he is not our main striker anymore, maybe some of the pressure will be off his shoulders. People will now look to Ronaldo, Pippo, Kaka, Seedorf and Pirlo to win the games before Gila so that may help him if his problem is indeed a psychological one. For some reason though, I am not totally ruling him out for this season and think he might just do something, but I hope we dont depend on him because that is how we will get disappointed.

He needs to work in patience and not say things like "I expected to start the Athens game and im disappointed I didnt", or letting his agent say "Milan management do not have faith in my client". For someone who performs so bad after all that faith, he really should have never said something like that, but nevertheless Milan keep the faith in him.

Does anyone here think we in for a surprise signing? I mean, for a team that needs a striker, transfer news have been too quiet in the striker department for a few days now, is that normal? I think we might have a little chance of signing someone, but I will wait to read what the management have to say after the negotiations for Emerson are over.

BTW: Ancelotti's favourite tactic next year:

----------------- DIDA -------------------

ODDO ---- NESTA ----- KALADZE -- JANKU

BROCCHI - GATTUSO - EMERSON - AMBROSINI

-------- PIRLO ----------- SEEDORF ------

:5chore:

Hit, it is said that until Thursday we will have a conclusion about Di Natale...

hitmannq8
21-08-2007, 14:20
http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/aug21n.html

Ronaldo is expected to miss the Genoa, Seville and Fiorentina games. He should be ready for the 3rd week game against Siena. Il Capitano will be back at the end of September.

peters
21-08-2007, 14:25
until then, the champions will play with single striker - gila or pippo.
Or.... with 3, since kaka and seedorf are our new attackers.

I wonder how much time till Berlu steps up and demands 2 attackers upfront again :D

Maltese Charlie
21-08-2007, 14:26
Emerson will be cover for Ambrosini and Gattuso. I would not expect all three to play at the same time.

I don't expect them either as starters, but I do expect them together in the last 10 minutes in certain matches when we need to secure the result.

mrki
21-08-2007, 14:28
Firstly i don't see Pirlo as a defensive midfielder, not in the true sense of the word. Just because he plays deep doesn't mean he's a defensive player. Plus Alonso does have the passing game Pirlo has.

No he doesnt. He can pass well but on one has the precise long and wide passes like Andrea.

K77SH C
21-08-2007, 14:31
Let Gourcuff work in peace, he's only 21, in a team full of legends and world champions. He wont be a starter but will get his time. What we need to worry about is Gilardino. This'll be his make or break season.

Agree about Gilardino. But Gourcuff being Seedorf's sub is working in peace. Other big name players demanding places in the team will mean he gets less time. He is an under 21, but he needs playing time. The only thing that will develop by us signing the Emersons and Ronnies of this world are his butt cheeks on the bench.

K77SH C
21-08-2007, 14:34
What country does Diarra play for?

Hes from Ghana

Jim_UK
21-08-2007, 14:36
No he doesnt. He can pass well but on one has the precise long and wide passes like Andrea.

Yes he does have the precise long passes and wide passes.

I can't see Gourcuff going from a bit part player kicking his heels on the bench to a regular first teamer in the space of 1 summer. He'll get more chances and start more games, but he's still going to spend some time on the bench.

I'm sure everyone will be kept happy. Plus if we play with one striker there's no reason why he & Kaka can't be the 2 behind the front man instead of Seedorf & Kaka ... or even Gourcuff & Seedorf. He'll get enough opportunities.

Kash, Diarra's from Mali. Essien is from Ghana :D

K77SH C
21-08-2007, 14:57
Jim I hate you!!

Jim_UK
21-08-2007, 14:59
Jim I hate you!!

I'm hurt :cry:

K77SH C
21-08-2007, 15:19
Im only joking. its my latest phrase. :5ok: Not as funny in text. Id say I love you, but then you would get worried.

Jim_UK
21-08-2007, 15:37
I was 99% sure you were kidding :D

Yeah i think i might be a bit concerned if you did tell me that and you were sober ... if you were drunk i'd think it normal. Everyone loves everyone else when they're drunk, male or female ... :rotfl:

schenko
21-08-2007, 15:40
Now it's official:

EMERSON E' DEL MILAN!
21/08/2007
MILANO - L'A.C.Milan comunica di aver acquisito a titolo definitivo dal Real Madrid le prestazioni del centrocampista brasiliano Emerson Ferreira da Rosa. | |

schenko
21-08-2007, 15:44
There's no need to translate this!!!

MiamiMilanista
21-08-2007, 15:47
Milan: preso Emerson!
Ufficiale: il centrocampista brasiliano è rossonero. Galliani ha chiuso l'affare in serata a Madrid. ll centrocampista brasiliano è stato preso a titolo definitivo ed è stato pagato circa 5 milioni di euro. Per l'ex giocatore di Juve e Roma un contratto biennale

K77SH C
21-08-2007, 15:47
I was 99% sure you were kidding :D

Yeah i think i might be a bit concerned if you did tell me that and you were sober ... if you were drunk i'd think it normal. Everyone loves everyone else when they're drunk, male or female ... :rotfl:

Sleep with your eyes open :notlist:

MiamiMilanista
21-08-2007, 15:48
Just like I said when we signed Pato, I will say it again with Emerson....."Awesome, now who's next!?!?!?!"

Nordahl
21-08-2007, 15:54
A simple question: What's the difference between Emerson, Ambrosini and Brocchi? Or, putting in other words: what qualities Emerson have that cannot be founded on Ambrosini or Brocchi?

Jim_UK
21-08-2007, 15:54
i'll make sure i lock the doors and windows tonight :delol:

remote2book
21-08-2007, 15:56
y didnt we GEt GUIESSPI ROSSI!!!!!!!!

Russo-Neri
21-08-2007, 16:00
y didnt we GEt GUIESSPI ROSSI!!!!!!!!


Exactly :stupid:

Nordahl
21-08-2007, 16:00
We still need a second striker...

K77SH C
21-08-2007, 16:02
y didnt we GEt GUIESSPI ROSSI!!!!!!!!

More to the point, why dont Manchester United want him. They obviously cant score at the moment. He was pretty amazing for the reserves. I dont know how good he was for Parma. But the step up is a big one.

Nalx
21-08-2007, 16:07
y didnt we GEt GUIESSPI ROSSI!!!!!!!!

becoz his name is not Rossinho or something like that :grinser:

K77SH C
21-08-2007, 16:09
A simple question: What's the difference between Emerson, Ambrosini and Brocchi? Or, putting in other words: what qualities Emerson have that cannot be founded on Ambrosini or Brocchi?

Ambrosini is a a quality DM who is injury prone and I think Carlo can trust him in the big games.

Emerson is a beast of a DM who because of his age will supposedly be happy to sit on the bench. Not sure about that personally. Time will tell.

Brocchi is purely a squad player who I dont think Carlo trusts in the really big games. As he showed in the first leg against United where he came on and gave the ball away for United to counter and score. He is a player with many qualities, but I think Carlo bought emerson in for the CL.

Letting Vogel go really was a mistake as he was very useful for this very task. When he played, Milan lined up in midefiled very well in deed maintaining a ballance between possesion and being tough to break down.

Tony29.
21-08-2007, 16:17
They may do very good but they will probably play dirty, like juve and inter did withouth a creative midfielder.
Who cares ?
If you have them all in the same midfield it means that they are there only temporary, until Pirlo gets back.
And playing pretty football should be the least of your concerns in serie A. It's been a while since you won the league and now the only thing that counts are the 3 points, it shouldn't matter how do you get them (at least to me it doesn't) . It is a bonus if you get 3 points and play beautiful football, but i won't object if my team plays shyt and still gets the win ( of course, if everything is legal :) )

K77SH C
21-08-2007, 16:20
Who cares ?
If you have them all in the same midfield it means that they are there only temporary, until Pirlo gets back.
And playing pretty football should be the least of your concerns in serie A. It's been a while since you won the league and now the only thing that counts are the 3 points, it shouldn't matter how do you get them (at least to me it doesn't) . It is a bonus if you get 3 points and play beautiful football, but i won't object if my team plays shyt and still gets the win ( of course, if everything is legal :) )

Cant disagree with that no matter how much I want to. :grinser:

kef
21-08-2007, 16:26
Emerson is an usefull acquisition, because he is a usefull player.
It would have been better to have bought another striker (maybe Milan will still do it), the situation Milan is in now, is far from optimal, but fortunately Milan can play in a 4-5-1.

kris
21-08-2007, 16:38
He is a player with many qualities, but I think Carlo bought emerson in for the CL.


I hope not, emerson have never succeded or done well in UCL after having played there many years. Nope, his playing style is perfect for Serie A instead. I would much rather use Ambrosini in UCL and of course Gattuso as first choice.

ACMILAN1983
21-08-2007, 16:41
Now that it's official, I'm pleased with the Emerson signing. Must say, the thought of him and Ambro together (a very physically imposing midfield) will be great closing out games. It reminds me of Viera-Puma back in Juve, which may not have been pretty, but a rock in midfield.

welcome Emerson :)

mrki
21-08-2007, 16:44
Im only worried that Ronaldo could take some time to recover, let alone to rediscover some kind of a good form. We are slow in attack and without Kaka' we are also slow in midfield.

Still, good to have Puma in Milan. Welcome! Now, lets make some fouls!!!! :)

King tiger
21-08-2007, 16:48
hmm formation if pirlo is injured
Dida
Oddo Nesta Kala Janku

Cafu ? Emerson Gattuso/Ambro Seedorf
Kaka
Inzaghi/Gila
?

peters
21-08-2007, 16:53
Who cares ?
If you have them all in the same midfield it means that they are there only temporary, until Pirlo gets back.
And playing pretty football should be the least of your concerns in serie A. It's been a while since you won the league and now the only thing that counts are the 3 points, it shouldn't matter how do you get them (at least to me it doesn't) . It is a bonus if you get 3 points and play beautiful football, but i won't object if my team plays shyt and still gets the win ( of course, if everything is legal :) )
in the end its 3 point that matters. But still, i would like to see milan playing football not milan destroying football, thats all. And with the no-game like that, your last () does have a big role as far as i know from previous years :1avs:

Its just that i have a nasty feeling the game can get stuck in our midfield like it has last year after first 5 matches. And having 4 players of identical type cant help us much then. No imagination, no joy in playing, even less joy in watching... just trying hard to push one in and trying even harder not to concede.

Lets say im as much wrong as i was last season, when i said many times milan cannot win CL :devf:

jpick
21-08-2007, 16:57
More to the point, why dont Manchester United want him. They obviously cant score at the moment. He was pretty amazing for the reserves. I dont know how good he was for Parma. But the step up is a big one.

well, i don't know if they really wanted to get rid of him, as much as he not wanting to sit the bench. villarreal, not a rich team, and has a good track record making good buys, paid 10M euros for him. that is a pretty good endorsement of his quality

Tony29.
21-08-2007, 17:00
And with the no-game like that, your last () does have a big role as far as i know from previous years :1avs:

Well, don't use Juve from 2005/06 (even though i'm convinced they deserved every single point) , use Inter from last year as an example.
Neither Juve in 2006 neither Inter in 2007 played no-game football, eventhough they had two destroyers in the midfield.

If you have 3 DM's, then i agree, it will be very ugly. But Emo-Gattuso + Seedorf-Kaka in the midfield can work pretty well and i don't think Pirlo's absence will mean Milan are screwed, like you said previously.

PS : But i hope i'm wrong and you're right :grinser:

K77SH C
21-08-2007, 17:22
well, i don't know if they really wanted to get rid of him, as much as he not wanting to sit the bench. villarreal, not a rich team, and has a good track record making good buys, paid 10M euros for him. that is a pretty good endorsement of his quality

Perhaps you are right, we will see. Its just all the united fans I knew would shut up about him a year ago and now they seem to have given up on him.

zlatanov
21-08-2007, 17:28
Now that we got Emerson, I wonder if Capello would still name Giuly as the best transfer made by an Italian club this summer :D

I have a feeling this guy will be immense for us ;)
oh, and remember you heard it here first :D

King tiger
21-08-2007, 17:30
lol i transferred emerson from real to Milan in PES 6 and he scored in first game :5ok:

of course that surely means that he will play great in Milan :D :D :D

Arildonardo
21-08-2007, 17:34
Now that Ronaldo is injured, do we need another striker? Both Gilardino and Inzaghi have also had injuries during pre-season, and I don't think any of the Aubameyangs are ready for first-team football just yet. And as we now Pato is not eligible to play before 2008 and will then still only be 18 years old.

Tony29.
21-08-2007, 17:41
Now that we got Emerson, I wonder if Capello would still name Giuly as the best transfer made by an Italian club this summer :D

I have a feeling this guy will be immense for us ;)
oh, and remember you heard it here first :D
That's it, Zlat jinxed everything people ! Whenever he said his famous "remember you heard it here first" things happened 100% opposite of what Zlat says.

Lets wait for the end of the transfer market, Zlat. If Juve sells Zebina or if Roma sell Panucci then Capello will have a problem in choosing who's the best transfer in Italy :D

But tbh, i also have a feeling Emerson will be gold for Milan, especially in serie A

Ghost
21-08-2007, 17:46
I thought id never say this but Forza Emerson

and bye bye Puma (bloody hell cant find the image)

hany.Egypt
21-08-2007, 18:39
Hes from Ghana
NOOOOOOOoo he is from Mali

Kaka--7thUCL
21-08-2007, 20:18
Now that Ronaldo is injured, do we need another striker? Both Gilardino and Inzaghi have also had injuries during pre-season, and I don't think any of the Aubameyangs are ready for first-team football just yet. And as we now Pato is not eligible to play before 2008 and will then still only be 18 years old.

Yes, we need another striker! I'm content with Emerson, he'd better give a good first impression :mad: because he's most likely our last transfer, where after winning the UCL! we should have went all out.. with money not being an issue, and us needing to rebuild 1 or 2 positions in defense, and one in the midfield, and one in attack, we should have bought so many more then what we have.. But hey, if we won UCL with those players, we can definitely give a shot at it as we've added two new ones now aswell :) I see emerson though as only being a player to give our other DM's a rest.. And I don't see him making a MAJOR impact, but maybe he can get a starting position all season long if he gets back in shape, -- another thing.. It's still not to late to give one last go for Eto'o or Quagliarella/Di Natali.. I still think we should have bought robinho, over hyped about or not hes a good forward and with RM's new additions they'd probably let him go too XD

Nordahl
21-08-2007, 20:42
I guess Emerson certainly CANNOT bring a quality touch to our defensive midfielding affairs.

Kaka--7thUCL
21-08-2007, 20:49
But without pirlo and gattuso in case of injury at least it isn't hopeless.

Bosniaco
21-08-2007, 21:34
Diarra plays for Mali. I hope Emrson spends more time on the bench

R9naldo
22-08-2007, 01:17
I hope u spend more time learning about football and quality players

martin
22-08-2007, 02:12
One clear parallel to emerson's transfer is that of cafu. everyone thought he was done, and he came here and gave some amazin performances to prolong his career. watch out for emerson to crack the startin line up, whether you like it or not. this is the middlefield im seeing for next yr:
emerson (gorky)------pirlo(ambro,ba)------rino(brochi)

i think our transfer season is over but i wouldn't be surprised if we swoop for a fourth striker or cannavaro on the 31st.

hitmannq8
22-08-2007, 02:59
So guys what ya'all think Pato will wear? Will he be our #7? Or is that reserved for a Mr.X ? And what number does Emerson usually wear, 8 right? I think he'll end up with Billy's #5 number.

will4li
22-08-2007, 03:20
With the arrival of emerson, our market operation is over. here is a brief sum-up(personally).


In attack, we got whizkid pato.I think it's a great deal,despite he cost us 22mil.the kid is fast,strong,great skills,good gamereading,mentally tough and seems quite mature.above all, he is the type we need. taking last year CL for reference,we used 3DMs, I thinks it's a good strategy;as the whole midfeilds are no longer young legs anymore,We can no longer always contain rivals in their halfcourt and give their panelty area constant pressure. So, pull back a little is a wise move,3DM give us balance,and more ,room for ricky do his wonders; I think our shift in formation made ricky a messieur last year.and the coach tends to stick to the formation this year.that's why we aimed eto's arrival.we need another engine to partner ricky,to make it more lethal for our european rivals.Tactically,Pato is the best choise there if eto is not available.


In midfield, we added ermerson.great but not perfect,great cause we need depth in DM department since we use 3 of them a lot. not perfect cause I think Jb will be the perfect buy.the guy is so multidimensional,he is the ultimate solution for us depth problem(not only in midfield, but as a forward,no concern center forward or rickys parter position).


In back, we did nothing. the CB will do ok,but two flanks worrys me.I think management did nothing because our backup oldguys was doing quite a decent job last season in serieA.it's reasonable, but for gods sake,they are almost 40s.remember the way how pancaro ages away give me creeps.Maybe we need another wintermarket move to redeem the situation.I hope I'm wrong. Since we invest on gorky and pato.why don't we take chances on chiellini or taiwo. If we did that,I will give our management a 9.5 this summer.

Tony75
22-08-2007, 04:47
One clear parallel to emerson's transfer is that of cafu. everyone thought he was done, and he came here and gave some amazin performances to prolong his career. watch out for emerson to crack the startin line up, whether you like it or not. this is the middlefield im seeing for next yr:
emerson (gorky)------pirlo(ambro,ba)------rino(brochi)

i think our transfer season is over but i wouldn't be surprised if we swoop for a fourth striker or cannavaro on the 31st.

Cafu was World Class, probably the best rb of his generation. Neither of which can be attributed to emerson. I'm disgusted, and will be even moreso if we give this fraud the same shirt as worn by one of our legends in Billy.

Rayno_acm
22-08-2007, 04:52
So guys what ya'all think Pato will wear? Will he be our #7? Or is that reserved for a Mr.X ? And what number does Emerson usually wear, 8 right? I think he'll end up with Billy's #5 number.
Galiani said that Mr.X is Pato :zany: So #7 goes to him
And I wouldn't bet that Emerson will get Billy's number... :grinser:

Graeme C
22-08-2007, 05:54
im stil hoping out on maresca (pirlo sub), zambrotta/chiellini and Di Natale.

Emerson - Maresca - Brocchi/gorky
Gattuso-Pirlo-Ambro
kaka - Seedorf/Gorky

As much as im a huge fan of Quagliarella, i dont think we have a hope in hell in getting him this summer. Next season could be different, but galliani and co need to put there money where their mouth is.

Graeme C
22-08-2007, 05:55
Galiani said that Mr.X is Pato :zany: So #7 goes to him
And I wouldn't bet that Emerson will get Billy's number... :grinser:

number 5 should go to a defender. Like Darmian or Barzagli :zany:

Ghost
22-08-2007, 06:00
Am I the only one who wants number 5 retired?

Tony75
22-08-2007, 06:10
im stil hoping out on maresca (pirlo sub), zambrotta/chiellini and Di Natale.

Emerson - Maresca - Brocchi/gorky
Gattuso-Pirlo-Ambro
kaka - Seedorf/Gorky

As much as im a huge fan of Quagliarella, i dont think we have a hope in hell in getting him this summer. Next season could be different, but galliani and co need to put there money where their mouth is.
That's all he does. Goes out for meals.

Sleep
22-08-2007, 06:42
lol i transferred emerson from real to Milan in PES 6 and he scored in first game :5ok:

of course that surely means that he will play great in Milan :D :D :D
lol, I transfered Emerson from real to Milan in PES 6 and no one dared to sit because there was a puma there :grinser:

I wonder what will Gourcuff think. But E5M is such a good transfer for us. Welcome Puma.

Am I the only one who wants number 5 retired?
I'm with you :5ok:

ThrusT
22-08-2007, 07:18
According to Marca Real has signed Heinze for 12mil.

What are they doing with all those defenders ffs? :mad: :zany:

zlatanov
22-08-2007, 07:55
According to Marca Real has signed Heinze for 12mil.

What are they doing with all those defenders ffs? :mad: :zany:
I thought Calderon was opposed to buying new defenders ... wonder what has changed his mind - must be the air of magic in the number "5" :D

What's even more surprising here is that, after such trasfers like Pepe for 30 mil and Sneijder for 27 mil (well worthy of their own chapters in "How to Run a Successful Business:101"), Real didn't try to convince ManU to accept 30 mil for Henize as opposed to their asking price of 12mil ... after all, a prestigious club like Real cannot afford to have it's glory tarnished by such cheap transfer moves :rolleyes:
:grinser:

And let me throw in a prediction here:
Next year, Heinze will come to milan on a free transfer after rescinding his contract with Real ... and remember you heard it here first :D

Jim_UK
22-08-2007, 08:10
How many other players do Real have for left-back apart from Marcelo?

Heinze will provide cover for them if this story is indeed true.

zlatanov
22-08-2007, 08:20
actually, I am not sure that Marcello will even be playing with them this year - they got Drenthe, who is more of a LM but they keep insisting he is a LB, and Torres as young players who can play LB ...
Heinze would provide experience in that area of the field but don't see much room for Marcelo as he would a 3rd youngster in that position.

mrki
22-08-2007, 08:39
Now after Emerson, there is the best move EVERY coming on - Milan will finnally get Jerome Rothen from PSG, for a low price, and play him as a LB like he did in Monaco :grinser: And then we'll be eady and my biggest transfer wish ( after Zambrotta ) will come true...

dejan.s
22-08-2007, 09:13
There was a rumour that AC Milan transfer budget was nearly 100millions euros.
Since we can’t sign R10 can we spend some for Micah Richards (Man.City)? :bri:
He is a terrific player with great potential :5ok:

Maltese Charlie
22-08-2007, 09:16
And let me throw in a prediction here:
Next year, Heinze will come to milan on a free transfer after rescinding his contract with Real ... and remember you heard it here first :D


Zlat, if you wish to have predictions accurate as a swiss watch, you know where you have to knock..........for a crystal ball......... :uhm: :grinser: :grinser: :grinser:

Jim_UK
22-08-2007, 09:23
There was a rumour that AC Milan transfer budget was nearly 100millions euros.
Since we can’t sign R10 can we spend some for Micah Richards (Man.City)? :bri:
He is a terrific player with great potential :5ok:

Though he still has 2 years left on his contract, he's still yet to sign a new deal. Physically he's immense and is arguably the best young defender prospect going right now. Given all that though, i don't think he'd move abroad yet, i don't even think he'd leave city now given their new investment and new manager.

I can't believe Real would make Marcelo 3rd choice youngster, that's ridiculous.

zlatanov
22-08-2007, 09:38
I can't believe Real would make Marcelo 3rd choice youngster, that's ridiculous.
that was just my take on things, not certain it will indeed happen.
if they do get Heinze or another experienced LB (not many of those around), chances are he will start and Drenthe and Torres would be cover, while Marcello could well be loaned out, which I think would be best for him as he would get to play more regularly rather than be a Heinze back up most likely behind even Drenthe (cost Real M 14 mil) in the picking order.

Although, if Real doesn't get Robben, thy could push Drenthe up the field and thus Marcelo would become 1st back up to Heinze.

Lots of options really but I count on Real to pick the worst possible one. :grinser:

thomas_h
22-08-2007, 10:28
IMO, Emerson will wear no 5 . . . i think we`re done with Real now, so . . . there`ll be no Julio Baptista to Milan . I hope we`ll get someone for attack ( Di Natale maybe ) before Aug 31 & then we`re ready for the HEAVY 07/08 season ( European Super Cup, Serie A, Champions League, Coppa & WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS )

MiamiMilanista
22-08-2007, 10:53
Is everybody glad we've picked up Emerson now??:

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GilAttack [11]
22-08-2007, 11:30
There was a rumour that AC Milan transfer budget was nearly 100millions euros.
Since we can’t sign R10 can we spend some for Micah Richards (Man.City)? :bri:
He is a terrific player with great potential :5ok:

City are in Chelski mode (typo), forget about him leaving. He is indeed impressive.

Stezagud
22-08-2007, 12:25
Micah Richards wont leave England, if/when he leaves City it'll most likely be for Arsenal or Chelsea, or hopefully if he hasnt been tainted too much, Utd :D

He isnt the finished article yet though, Steve McClaren isnt the greatest manager but his assessment of Richards was actually quite accurate. Positionally he doesnt have the awareness of a top centre back yet but he does have lightning pace and hulk strength to get himself out of trouble, as well as having the underrated Dunne alongside him.

kastriot
22-08-2007, 12:47
Micah Richards wont leave England, if/when he leaves City it'll most likely be for Arsenal or Chelsea, or hopefully if he hasnt been tainted too much, Utd :D

He isnt the finished article yet though, Steve McClaren isnt the greatest manager but his assessment of Richards was actually quite accurate. Positionally he doesnt have the awareness of a top centre back yet but he does have lightning pace and hulk strength to get himself out of trouble, as well as having the underrated Dunne alongside him.


Man city`s defense line is indeed very talented... Richards was immense against Man utd... add to that Dunn and Corluka who is best young defender in the world IMO

Stitch
22-08-2007, 13:02
LOL kastriot don't be so subjective.... :grinser: :grinser:

mrki
22-08-2007, 13:15
Corluka and Richards are two players that have the potential to be top class defenders and city is very lucky to have them now. They are not overpayed youngsters and products of marketing, they can really play. You'll see that in the future... Wey better players than Pepe, Ramos and so on...

hitmannq8
22-08-2007, 13:25
mrki, Ramos is the real deal. he ain't over-rated one bit. From the bunch of over-rated players at Real, the only one that has lived up to his price is Ramos. He is a really good defender, and great offensively too.

Siregar
22-08-2007, 13:39
Man city`s defense line is indeed very talented... Richards was immense against Man utd... add to that Dunn and Corluka who is best young defender in the world IMO
Out of topic. I am using Dunne, Richard and Schmeicel in http://fantasy.premierleague.com/. They are really cheap compare to the points that they have already made. :5ok:

drucurl
22-08-2007, 13:41
Corluka and Richards are two players that have the potential to be top class defenders and city is very lucky to have them now. They are not overpayed youngsters and products of marketing, they can really play. You'll see that in the future... Wey better players than Pepe, Ramos and so on...
Yip and when I just bought Richards (fifa 07 manager mode :D ) for Milan he got a rating of 94....so that seals it :stuckup:

Giorgos
22-08-2007, 13:59
Out of topic. I am using Dunne, Richard and Schmeicel in http://fantasy.premierleague.com/. They are really cheap compare to the points that they have already made. :5ok:

be careful of Kasper because City are looking for Amelia or other more experienced keeper although Junior Schmeichel is superb :5ok: .

Giorgos
22-08-2007, 14:00
mrki, Ramos is the real deal. he ain't over-rated one bit. From the bunch of over-rated players at Real, the only one that has lived up to his price is Ramos. He is a really good defender, and great offensively too.

Serchio Ramis, is quick, very strong, tall, he scores very often, i would love to see in our jersey.

Stezagud
22-08-2007, 14:17
Out of topic. I am using Dunne, Richard and Schmeicel in http://fantasy.premierleague.com/. They are really cheap compare to the points that they have already made

what happens when they get schooled at Arsenal though :eek:

Good as they were defensively in the derby, Utd still had plenty of clear chances to score and Arsenal always make chances aplenty. Eduardo's fit too now and that looks like the game he'll break his premiership duck...

kastriot
22-08-2007, 14:49
LOL kastriot don't be so subjective.... :grinser: :grinser:

NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :grinser: :grinser:

As Mrki said, croatian always overate their players,to get more money....however these generation with Corluka,Eduardo,Modric,Kranjcar can really play,top level in my opinion.

zlatanov
22-08-2007, 15:35
looks official now - Heinze is a Real M player for a fee of around 12 mil euos:
http://www.calciomercato.it/dettaglioNewsCategoria.asp?hdnIdCategoria=2&hdnId=11142

gazzetta is also reporting the news.

good luck, gabriel, and welcome to Milan from next year on a free transfer :D

Russo-Neri
22-08-2007, 16:19
Di Natale scores for Azzuri. His stock just rose a few points. Not that we were going to get him anyway.

zlatanov
22-08-2007, 16:21
Di Natale scores for Azzuri. His stock just rose a few points. Not that we were going to get him anyway.
it was hardly a goal to raise the stocks of a player who seem to be unwanted by his own team.
That Pippo goal for 1-0 in Athens had tons more intention to score than Di Natale's :D

Stitch
22-08-2007, 16:29
NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :grinser: :grinser:

As Mrki said, croatian always overate their players,to get more money....however these generation with Corluka,Eduardo,Modric,Kranjcar can really play,top level in my opinion.

have you watched BiH-Croatia? You won 5-3. Nice game, Srna is a player! Muslimovic (Atalanta) scored 3 goals for Bosnia. And your NT fans continue the "tradiition" of being...idiots. No offense, I think you'll agree, at least to some extent ;) :)

Graeme C
22-08-2007, 16:31
i still wouldnt mind Di Natale tho!

Either that or make a sneaky bid for Robben, or Sheva ditchs that american chick and marries some nice Italian girly in vegas!! :grinser: my imagination is running away tonight!!

zlatanov
22-08-2007, 16:38
i still wouldnt mind Di Natale tho!

Either that or make a sneaky bid for Robben, or Sheva ditchs that american chick and marries some nice Italian girly in vegas!! :grinser: my imagination is running away tonight!!
I wouldn't mind him either ... was just saying that his goal tonight would hardly turn him into another Quagliarella ... other than that, he is fine player who could come in handy given our not so abundant attacking options.

If there is one player who's price has been changing lately, that's got to be Canna - he's been unrecognizably poor by any standards, not just his.
I am starting to think that Real M might be willing to let him go for free now that Heinze is there :D

Siregar
22-08-2007, 16:45
what happens when they get schooled at Arsenal though :eek:

Good as they were defensively in the derby, Utd still had plenty of clear chances to score and Arsenal always make chances aplenty. Eduardo's fit too now and that looks like the game he'll break his premiership duck...
Actually, I more believe in Ericsson than the squad he has. :grinser:

It's ok when City concede goal(s) against big teams but as long as they can make many cleansheets against the others would be great for my team. Well, the evaluation is for one season not for 1-2 matches. Against MU I was not afraid since I used 3 attacking players from MU. :D

@Giorgos

Yeah, I also heard City's interest in Amelia but it's ok, I can use Schmeicel then as a sub as his price is the lowest price for a GK and buy a new goalie.

What I want to know is if Fergie will find a striker in the rest of transfer window.

Warro Bantan
22-08-2007, 16:56
A simple question: What's the difference between Emerson, Ambrosini and Brocchi? Or, putting in other words: what qualities Emerson have that cannot be founded on Ambrosini or Brocchi? 2 more legs? :diablo:

hitmannq8
22-08-2007, 17:01
Sad sad sad performance by the Azzuri.. I was never convinced with Donadoni.. Pirlo's passes were all inaccurate, Cannavaro had prolly one of his worst games in his career, Di Natale just kept losing the ball.. Toni, Zambro and Buffon were the only ones that can have their heads up after this game.

Stitch
22-08-2007, 17:05
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=390649

It says Adriano is a real possibility for Madrid.

What do you guys think, could he be a good option for us? I'd love to see him in red and black, I'm sure MilanLab could do wonders with him...but I'm also sure that Moratti would never sell him to us:(

zlatanov
22-08-2007, 17:09
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=390649

It says Adriano is a real possibility for Madrid.

What do you guys think, could he be a good option for us? I'd love to see him in red and black, I'm sure MilanLab could do wonders with him...but I'm also sure that Moratti would never sell him to us:(

cough, cough, cooooogh :D

Stezagud
22-08-2007, 17:13
What I want to know is if Fergie will find a striker in the rest of transfer window.

Saha should be back for the Spurs game at the weekend, He is a proper forward to lead the line and will make a big difference when fully fit. Utd dont need to buy anyone else now, the squad is as good as its been since 99 if we can get everybody fit :cool:

Aficio
22-08-2007, 17:15
Lets Adriano move to Madrid, next years we'll make him wear red and black :D

Stitch
22-08-2007, 17:21
cough, cough, cooooogh :D


you need an aspirin for your throat?? :D

Siregar
22-08-2007, 17:21
Lets Adriano move to Madrid, next years we'll make him wear red and black :D
I think, this is more possible way how to get Adriano since Inter looks a bit cleverer than Madrid at selling players. :grinser:

Warro Bantan
22-08-2007, 17:22
Robben is gone to Madrid...the beast on his way to us mayb? :dontkn:

http://football.guardian.co.uk/breakingnews/feedstory/0,,-6869249,00.html

Stitch
22-08-2007, 17:27
hey warro, are you ok? I've heard some bad news with Dean in Jamaica :sad:

Warro Bantan
22-08-2007, 17:38
Fine thanks Stitch...dru put a thread up, I think in the Members forum, entitled "Rossonero in distress" or something of the sort....but I will make another, "general" reply here...

No losses, no damage, no injuries (thank God)...and little loss of life in JA..we were prepared, and having had Ivan a couple of years ago, we learnt from that to prepare well.

Glad to be back online, and to hear that we signed the Puma...just one more transfer, and I will be in heaven :D ...if not, I guess I will be ok...still think we are a little too thin in the striker department...;moan:

mrki
22-08-2007, 17:46
First the Ramos topic: unfortunately I still dont agree that Ramos is the real deal. The man can score a lot from set pieces, and can sometimes play great as a RB, but he plays great every 3rd game. That is not a real defender that you can count on. I, personally, would NEVER, ever, like to see Ramos in Milan's shirt. Playing CB Bonera is a better player than Ramos. If he can get some kind of continuity ( if that is actually a word...) and stabilyty at the back, then by using his technical abilities he could become great centre back. And, he is Spanish so... let him stay in Spain :)

Woho, Croatia won 5-3. Simic was not that good, but the defence consisting Corluka-Simic-R.Kovac-Simunic played pretty poor so that also helped Dario's poor performance.

Robben in Madrid...ok. Maybe now La Bestia will decide to take a bus to Milanello :)

remote2book
22-08-2007, 21:38
http://www.goal.com/en-us/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=391149 plzzz milan sign him!!!!!!!!!!! we need another striker

Kaka--7thUCL
22-08-2007, 21:42
OMG HUNTELAAR!!!!!!!!! YESYES PLEAAAASEEE LET US SIGN HIM!!!! :5ok: :5ok: :5ok: :5ok: :5ok: :5ok: :5ok: :5ok: THE THINGS MILAN CAN COMPLETE NEXT YEAR WITH THIS MAN ARE ENDLESS! WE'D HAVE #1 A SQUAD TO EQUAL, OR EVEN BEST THOSE OF INTER,BARCA,CHELSEA ETC, AND WIN IT ALL! PLUS HES 24 , waht could possibly be wrong about this transfer? He's surely going to be at least the equal of sheva of 03-06 after a year or two in milan (hopefully) let's just pray!

Ronaldo -- Huntelaar
-------k22----------

I'd like to see a line up capable of beating that?

Siregar
22-08-2007, 21:47
http://www.goal.com/en-us/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=391149 plzzz milan sign him!!!!!!!!!!! we need another striker
I prefer to buy a support striker or a striker that can also play on AM partnering with Kaka (or even on other position) as we will have 4 strikers at the beginning of 2008.

I think, we won't buy any pure striker anymore except our President's dream player(s).

Kaka--7thUCL
22-08-2007, 21:56
Siregar, there is no preferances in this situation, its either huntelaar or no striker at all, which do you prefer? I mean, if it were still july, I'd put a many people before him, but he's still in my top 10, and to get him within the last week of our transfer market would be absolutely amazing, and besides, theres next year to get precious r10 and another gk/lb which we should have bought this yr.. oh well