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originally posted by mrki
Now after Emerson, there is the best move EVERY coming on - Milan will finnally get Jerome Rothen from PSG, for a low price, and play him as a LB like he did in Monaco And then we'll be eady and my biggest transfer wish ( after Zambrotta ) will come true...
Nice thought, but I seriously question his tactic-awareness as a LB,I've never seen his play in monaco though. The real undenyable part is low price.but still I'd rather seen a more balanced young talent coming in this position.
Siregar, there is no preferances in this situation, its either huntelaar or no striker at all, which do you prefer? I mean, if it were still july, I'd put a many people before him, but he's still in my top 10, and to get him within the last week of our transfer market would be absolutely amazing, and besides, theres next year to get precious r10 and another gk/lb which we should have bought this yr.. oh well
I'm already satisfied with our current squad even without Emerson. If there were any additions, I would be happy but IMO we won't buy any striker. Inzaghi is fit and Gila too. Ronaldo doesn't has serious injury which make him unavailable for months. Seeing our defend (including GK) as not as good as in few years a go, it seems Ancelotti would use 1-striker formation more often this season which means 3 stikers are enough for next couple of months.
What Milan have bought and will buy this season, I would accept happily as Milan have won CL. Winning CL is a huge achievement for a football club even for a big club and I count CL much more important than Serie A. I would take one CL cup than 5 Scudetti. :)
Russo-Neri
22-08-2007, 21:24
http://www.goal.com/en-us/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=391149 plzzz milan sign him!!!!!!!!!!! we need another striker
I'm not buying it. This news is too good to be true, and so it probably isn't. Plus the article doesn't mention ANYTHING concrete, just that it could happen. After all the BS this summer, I'm not falling for another mirage...
Kaka--7thUCL
22-08-2007, 21:26
Lol, I get what you mean but I still don't agree that our squad right now would be as satisfactory without huntelaar.. We do need a striker, quite obviously Gila has had chance after chance and always fails to prove , then of course inzaghi, he's gotten a lot slower noticeably and huntelaar is almost a replica of him.. honestly huntelaar is the young inzaghi with more ball control and a more modern style play, but another thing to consider is our defense and gk, and yes, 1 striker would make more sense like you said, but i still think with ronaldo age 31? and inzaghi age 34? even with young gila, huntelaar is always a great transfer, and I don't think our defense has weakened from 05, imo it's improved.. I see our LB being a bit dead because serginho used to be unstoppable! but i suppose age wore him down too, and janku, what's wrong with janku? He's greaT! one of our best of the 06/07 season no doubts, we have the defense, GK, like i said, a bit rough, Dida being a good goalie, not as amazing as before, and our reserves being total garbage, we could use a good goalkeeper, i'd get abbiati back or to make fans happy get huntelaar along with buffon as well XD Anyways, that's all, getting huntelaar and possibly another gk would be a dream transfer market and we wouldn't have to feel a step behind our bitter rivals inter anymore, in fact we'd be 10 steps ahead, right now we can best inter,manu, u name it! we just need another forward and a GK and possibly a lb and theres a dream squad right in front of you ;) :grinser:
zlatanov
22-08-2007, 21:26
I would say that Huntelaar to Milan is as unlikely a transfer as it gets, et least this summer ... and goal.com is posting speculations that hardly make sense.
why? well, here is a link, which should clear things up (hint - take a look at Ajax's line up in their CL qualifier vs Slavia):
http://www.uefa.com/competitions/ucl/fixturesresults/round=15104/match=301260/report=lu.html
I would say that Huntelaar to Milan is as unlikely a transfer as it gets, et least this summer ... and goal.com is posting speculations that hardly make sense.
why? well, here is a link, which should clear things up (hint - take a look at Ajax's line up in their CL qualifier vs Slavia):
http://www.uefa.com/competitions/ucl/fixturesresults/round=15104/match=301260/report=lu.html
Can you check if Ronaldinho is already CL-cup-tied, Zlat? :grinser:
zlatanov
22-08-2007, 21:38
Can you check if Ronaldinho is already CL-cup-tied, Zlat? :grinser:
unless Barca have played a CL qualifier they weren't supposed to, I doubt he is :D
with Pippo and Gila in the line-up, if we are gonna be adding a forward, I'd expect this to be someone who can play as support striker ... Di Natale and JB seem to be the most likely options at this moment in time especially now that Robben has joined Madrid.
I agree and prefer the second option. Dealing with Calderon co. these days is delighting. :D
Kaka--7thUCL
22-08-2007, 22:56
What's happened with Sobis, has he been transferred or can he still be bought?, a player as promising as him, yet no news as far as i know :O
Sobis came to Betis last year. And he haven't gone anywhere else. By the way, we can't buy him now.
Rayno_acm
22-08-2007, 23:58
What's happened with Sobis, has he been transferred or can he still be bought?, a player as promising as him, yet no news as far as i know :O
He is in Betis right now :rolleyes:
Madrid has sealed Roben's transfer for 36 mil euros?
It's really much money for a player who was so often injured and didnt manage to make his mark consistently for a quite long time.
Madrid is so 'rich' :D
So, Baptista is packing his cloths right now for a flight to Milan tomorrow. :5ok:
dictatornz
23-08-2007, 01:08
huntelaar? good player but not what we need. we already have gilardino and pippo. we need a support striker. i personally hope we get connected to a move for QUAGLIARELLA
One other article on Goal.com, about AC MIlan, catch my eye.
The man has got the point.
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=390773
And once more about Richards. If he doesn't want to play for another england squad, maybe he would like the opportunity to play for the Champions :p155:
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=390698
rossoner03
23-08-2007, 01:49
Next week will be a crazy one on the transfer market.....let's hope that we'll bring someone very good and win the SUPERCUP!!!
Kaka--7thUCL
23-08-2007, 02:09
I think milan is going to sign a couple of new players still :O you can call me crazy, but Galliani isn't normal if he doesn't buy at least a def and an attacker, we can't possibly play all these games with out current squad.. i swear, next summer or this january we better be planning something special..I'm quite disappointed..
Kaka--7thUCL
23-08-2007, 02:11
Next week will be a crazy one on the transfer market.....let's hope that we'll bring someone very good and win the SUPERCUP!!!
Me too, I hope we can bring in a class forward and a lb, I have a strong feeling about this, its either that or they obviously aren't planning on winning anything..
Arildonardo
23-08-2007, 02:24
Huntelaar to Milan?
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=391150
Too bad he's already played in the Champions League this season...
huntelaar? good player but not what we need. we already have gilardino and pippo. we need a support striker. i personally hope we get connected to a move for QUAGLIARELLA
Right now, you are right. End of the season could be a different thing all together. Pippo will be another year older and Gilardino may have lost people's patience. Hopefully, he will explode into action this season.
If he doesnt, then Huntelaar looks like the new Vanbasten.
[QUOTE=dejan.s]One other article on Goal.com, about AC MIlan, catch my eye.
The man has got the point.
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=390773
Pretty accurate analysis. Im not at all comfortable with the thought of Bonera playing in our back four. I hope Milan have a plan to either bring in Barzagli or young defender.
hitmannq8
23-08-2007, 03:14
Bonera is good enough to play in our back four, so is Kaladze, but not as starters IMO. Maybe once in a while, but I'd prefer Nesta + a world-class CB (Samuel?). I always had this feeling that the player Carlo talked about at the start of the summer was Adriano, let's see what goes on in the next few weeks. It is very interesting how Mancini left Adriano out of the squad for the Super Cup.
It would be nice to see a striker join us, but don't hope too much. Also forget Huntelaar, we dont need him. He is almost exactly the same player Gila and Pippo is, and over that he is cup-tied. Its impossible that we will go for him. I'll hope for Adriano.
If Nesta or maldini get injured for w long time which is possible. It happened last season with Maldini then we are shafted in central defence. Kaladze is good, but its time to look at someone world class. Not samuel, hes terrible.
I dont see a problem in Huntelaar being a similar striker to Pippo and Gila. Pippo wont last forever and Gila may eventually move on unless he starts scoring.
hishamilan
23-08-2007, 03:41
guys look for talents now ! we are settled concerning starters and subs we must think about alex the amazing AMF of the brazilian u-17 team we must look at a super young takent in midfeild ( pirlo was young one day ) and if we acheive that there will be a great an invincible team by 2010
Ronaldinho And Dos Santos To Receive EU Passports
http://goal.com/en-US/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=391387
perhaps there is still a chance?
real bought robben for 36 mil euros! that brings their total of spending to 121 mil euros + dudek, saviola and metzelder for free!
http://goal.com/en/articolo.aspx?contenutoid=391055
But this year there is no capello to handle the dressing room...imo shuster is way over his head...
[QUOTE=dejan.s]One other article on Goal.com, about AC MIlan, catch my eye.
The man has got the point.
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=390773
Pretty accurate analysis. Im not at all comfortable with the thought of Bonera playing in our back four. I hope Milan have a plan to either bring in Barzagli or young defender.
you must be crazy if you think a player that has won so many people over with his performances in Serie A is not good enough for milan. Bonera has been rated so well in the limited number of games he played, even more so than Chivu etc so what are you complaining about? Barzagli and co doesn't even come close, i don't see why people are under-rating Bonera after his valiant performances last season, do you guys even watch Milan games?
If Nesta or maldini get injured for w long time which is possible. It happened last season with Maldini then we are shafted in central defence. Kaladze is good, but its time to look at someone world class. Not samuel, hes terrible.
I don't remember our defence being a problem last season. The biggest problem last season is we can't put the ball into the net, pls tell me which team were you watching last season.
[QUOTE=K77SH C]
you must be crazy if you think a player that has won so many people over with his performances in Serie A is not good enough for milan. Bonera has been rated so well in the limited number of games he played, even more so than Chivu etc so what are you complaining about? Barzagli and co doesn't even come close, i don't see why people are under-rating Bonera after his valiant performances last season, do you guys even watch Milan games?
Bonera is no where near the player Chivu is.
There is no way he is good enough to play at centre back for Milan. If his performances were so great why could he not even get in the side in front of the third choice centreback (Kaladze).
As a player he is very rash, his reading and decision making is slow meaning he has to foul players. He gives a way far too many free kicks and its not as if hes a really athletic defender to cover his mistakes either. He just does not have the quality needed to play at the back for us. You mention limited number of games, theres a reason for that.
The reason why our defence was ok last season, quite simply it wasnt. We had to buy Oddo at Christmas as Bonera couldnt hack it at right back. Nesta came back to full fitness just at the right time to push for the CL and Kaladze pulled out some brilliant performances. I shudder to think what would have happened if Kaladze too got got injured or God forbid Nesta!!
Finally forgive me if Im wrong, but I thought this was a forum where people expressed their opinions :grinser: I must have been wrong :zany:
Ronaldinho And Dos Santos To Receive EU Passports
http://goal.com/en-US/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=391387
perhaps there is still a chance?
I read it on Gazzetta too
Maybe there is still a chance
Who knows
at the end of the month we can have a big transfer surprise
Ro-Ka-Ro
It would be nice to see a striker join us, but don't hope too much. Also forget Huntelaar, we dont need him. He is almost exactly the same player Gila and Pippo is, and over that he is cup-tied. Its impossible that we will go for him. I'll hope for Adriano.
How can you say we don't need Huntelaar but yet you hope for Adriano? :dontkn: I don't see anything in the Brazilian that you can't get with the Dutchman. I don't see Adriano as being what we need, right now he's just a lump with personal problems. We have enough strikers with problems, Ronaldo & Gilardino are enough, so we don't need another sulky troubled Brazilian up front who would not form a good partnership with any of our strikers.
I would take Huntelaar over the current Adriano any day and if there's a chance of getting him now then we should do so, or at least secure him for next season. It doesn't bother me he's cup tied, so was Ronaldo and we still won so what's the big deal? If anything that would surely lower his price.
Huntelaar & Baptista? Everyone might be happy then.
I don't remember our defence being a problem last season.
You have a go at Kash and question if he even watched any games last season and then you say that! :googly: Our defence was a problem last year. Kaladze & Bonera are great squad players, but that's about it.
zlatanov
23-08-2007, 05:58
[QUOTE=hwmook]
Finally forgive me if Im wrong, but I thought this was a forum where people expressed their opinions :grinser: I must have been wrong :zany:
yes, you are wrong :zany: :grinser:
guys,
can't believe that so many of you are forgetting that Huntelaar is cup-tied for this year's CL, Milan would never pay so much money for a cup tied player - 15 mil at least - especially when we already have 2 target men in Pippo and Gila.
I do agree that if Gila fails to improve this year (IMO he would definitely be sold) or Pippo retires or something of the kind, Huntelaar would be one of the better choices for a young, promising first striker but not right now, not this year when he is cup-tied.
Also, let's not get ahead of ourselves in thinking that Huntelaar would just walk into the squad and become the new MvB - he lacks experience at the big level and is still relatively unproven given that the Dutch League is the only place where he has delivered so far - not in the NT, not in CL bar one odd goal vs Inter 2-3 years ago, nowhere.
In fact, contrary to popular believe, Gila's stats are way more impressive and achieved at a higher level of the game.
[QUOTE=K77SH C]
yes, you are wrong :zany: :grinser:
guys,
can't believe that so many of you are forgetting that Huntelaar is cup-tied for this year's CL, Milan would never pay so much money for a cup tied player - 15 mil at least - especially when we already have 2 target men in Pippo and Gila.
I do agree that if Gila fails to improve this year (IMO he would definitely be sold) or Pippo retires or something of the kind, Huntelaar would be one of the better choices for a young, promising first striker but not right now, not this year when he is cup-tied.
Also, let's not get ahead of ourselves in thinking that Huntelaar would just walk into the squad and become the new MvB - he lacks experience at the big level and is still relatively unproven given that the Dutch League is the only place where he has delivered so far - not in the NT, not in CL bar one odd goal vs Inter 2-3 years ago, nowhere.
In fact, contrary to popular believe, Gila's stats are way more impressive and achieved at a higher level of the game.
... what's your point? :devf:
[QUOTE=zlatanov]
... what's your point? :devf:
http://goal.com/en-US/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=391387 :grinser:
zlatanov
23-08-2007, 06:21
[QUOTE=zlatanov]
... what's your point? :devf:
my point is exactly what Siregar suggested - Dinho is now a EU player, Etoo will soon be one too and Milan still has time to pull something out of the hat ... if it doesn't work with one of those two (Dinho in particular), then I wouldn't be suprised if the rabbit takes the form of Mr. Baptista on August 30th or 31st :zany: :diablo:
Graeme C
23-08-2007, 06:27
[QUOTE=K77SH C]
yes, you are wrong :zany: :grinser:
guys,
can't believe that so many of you are forgetting that Huntelaar is cup-tied for this year's CL, Milan would never pay so much money for a cup tied player - 15 mil at least - especially when we already have 2 target men in Pippo and Gila.
I do agree that if Gila fails to improve this year (IMO he would definitely be sold) or Pippo retires or something of the kind, Huntelaar would be one of the better choices for a young, promising first striker but not right now, not this year when he is cup-tied.
Also, let's not get ahead of ourselves in thinking that Huntelaar would just walk into the squad and become the new MvB - he lacks experience at the big level and is still relatively unproven given that the Dutch League is the only place where he has delivered so far - not in the NT, not in CL bar one odd goal vs Inter 2-3 years ago, nowhere.
In fact, contrary to popular believe, Gila's stats are way more impressive and achieved at a higher level of the game.
Huntelaars stats are still better than Oliviera for example, he does have alot of potential and isnt bad at the international stage. However i agree, i would prefer us to sign him now for next year. Thus beating off the competition and seing how he does for Ajax this year in the champ league. Also for us seing how Gilardino and Inzaghi do this year. Inzaghi will be 35 next summer and strikers dont usually stay on much later than that.
Seing how Huntelaar is though, i think he is more inline to get "van Basten" heir than Van nistelrooy if he lives upto his potential.
Graeme C
23-08-2007, 06:28
Baptista would be a huge let down compared to signing Ronaldinho or Eto.
And to be honest i dont want anymore brazilians in the team. We have enough!
And to be honest i dont want anymore brazilians in the team. We have enough!
So you dont want Ronaldinho or Adriano? :uhm:
Graeme C
23-08-2007, 06:36
So you dont want Ronaldinho or Adriano? :uhm:
Nope. I would rather have Quagliarella and Huntelaar. Milan is a Italian team, even the great 90s teams had a huge italian majority.
kastriot
23-08-2007, 07:02
Nope. I would rather have Quagliarella and Huntelaar. Milan is a Italian team, even the great 90s teams had a huge italian majority.
Milan will never loose the italian flair,Never.....we have
Pippo,Gila,Ambro,Oddo, Rino,Pirlo-who play for the national team
Nesta & Maldini - legends and retired from NT
Bonera - potential NT player
Brochi
add to that that our coaching staff are consisted of three italians: Carlo,Tassoti,Billy.
This is all italian team,the brazilian flair just gives us the edge over the others but we are Italian team all over.
Nope. I would rather have Quagliarella and Huntelaar. Milan is a Italian team, even the great 90s teams had a huge italian majority.
Huntelar is not italian. :grinser:
Cane1972
23-08-2007, 07:39
I think Huntelaar would be a great signing for the serie A season for this year. It would allow Pippo to rest for the champions league and other cups we are planning on winning this season. In a way it would be nice because he would have to earn playing in the CL with Milan by helping us get a top 4 spot in the serie A season. Just a thought.
Graeme C
23-08-2007, 07:40
Huntelar is not italian. :grinser:
i know, hes dutch. But it worries me that 3 of the last 4 players we signed are Brazilian (not including ba). And Belusconi has this Brazilian dream...
Zlat it's simple, buy Ronaldinho & Huntelaar. What's the problem? :D
zlatanov
23-08-2007, 08:24
Zlat it's simple, buy Ronaldinho & Huntelaar. What's the problem? :D
Pato ... and the guy above the guy in my avatar :D
Why is Pato a problem? Pato & Huntelaar would form an awesome strikeforce i reckon.
zlatanov
23-08-2007, 08:30
Why is Pato a problem? Pato & Huntelaar would form an awesome strikeforce i reckon.
Pato needs space plus he's taken up the places of one of our signings up front for this season ... what I am saying is if we hadn't gotton Pato, Dinho+Huntelaar would have been plausible, now I don't think so ... unless one of Gila, Pippo, Ronaldo goes, we could hope for at most one new striker - either Dinho/Etoo or someone more versatile than Huntelaar, like JB, Di Natale, etc.
I don't see how having Etoo is going to be any different from having Huntelaar. Either one of them will still take a striker's position and no others.
Still, i'd be just as happy if we secured him this season and brought him in next season.
zlatanov
23-08-2007, 08:52
I don't see how having Etoo is going to be any different from having Huntelaar. Either one of them will still take a striker's position and no others.
Still, i'd be just as happy if we secured him this season and brought him in next season.
Etoo is a player who doesn't become available every day, you get one shot at buying him and if you miss it, it's over ... he is seen by the management, at least I think so, as a player who is proven at the highest level and is a diffrenece maker (and he is only a couple of years older than Huntelaar) ... i.e. the type of player for whom we can afford to open a space in our attack - whether it would be by introducing Pato more slowly into the first team or, if we have to, selling Gila or Ronaldo (wouldn't be surprised if he goes to US after this season).
and he is a different type of player than Huntelaar - etoo is not a target man, he can be one but his strength is in falling back and actively participating in building the attack. Comparing etoo and Huntelaar is kind of like comparing Sheva and Pippo.
But I think Silvio is set on chasing Dinho and Etoo has always been like a plan B for a big-star transfer.
I'm not comparing them as strikers. What i was pointing out is that they could both only play in one position, they can't occupy any other spots in the team. Plus there's no way we're going to get either Etoo or Ronaldinho, so getting Huntelaar is the next best thing.
Graeme C
23-08-2007, 09:14
i would prefer us to get huntelaar now, than let Juve get him next season.
Sweendogs
23-08-2007, 09:17
Milan’s lethargic start to the transfer season could be coming to a thrilling finale as the acquisitions of Pato and most recently Emerson could be capped by the signing of Ajax ace Klaas-Jan Huntelaar.
Milan’s lethargic start to the transfer season could be coming to a thrilling finale as the acquisitions of Pato and most recently Emerson could be capped by the signing of Ajax ace Klaas-Jan Huntelaar.
Rossoneri legend Ruud Gullit is reported to have personally recommended the free-scoring 24-year-old to his former employers, and Milan’s strong Dutch connection could give them the edge over fellow suitors Juventus and Real Madrid.
Huntelaar put his disappointment at being left out of the Netherlands squad on Friday behind him with a highly impressive four-goal haul during Ajax’s rout of De Graafschap on the weekend. He is said to be eager to stick it out in Amsterdam for another year before making the inevitable move to one of Europe’s top leagues, but there are signs that a big-money transfer within this August is a possibility.
He could be a very good acquisition the only thing is when will he play. We will have Ronaldo, Inzaghi, Gilardino and then Huntleear and then in January we get Pato. I just dont want to see the kid wallowing on the bench. He would be a very good buy. Could pair well with Ronaldo or Gilardino. I just dont see this happening
zlatanov
23-08-2007, 09:26
I'm not comparing them as strikers. What i was pointing out is that they could both only play in one position, they can't occupy any other spots in the team. Plus there's no way we're going to get either Etoo or Ronaldinho, so getting Huntelaar is the next best thing.
I think Milan will relinquish the idea of getting etoo/dinho only on 30/31 august and then move in for their back up plan (I do think we have one).
And Huntelaar is not the next best thing, JIm - he is a one-dimensional striker and until we have Gila and Pippo with us, Huntelaar is out of the question IMO.
Dinho and Etoo are players with different characteristics so the next best thing as you called it, should/would be a player of similar type - similar to Dinho/Etoo, not Huntelaar - and such players are JB and Di Natale (I am mentioning these two as they have been associated with Milan recently).
and again, Huntelaar is cup-tied, that makes his coming to Milan, for this year at least, even more unlikely.
Also, I am pretty sure that Milan management is not completely sold on Huntelaar as he has yet to prove himself at the level that matters most and Milan is playing at ... and Gila, who before his coming to Milan had much more impressive stats than the Dutchman, is a fresh proof that having potential may well not mean much when your new club is called Milan.
That's why, after the arrival of Pato, Milan are likely to move for more proven players than another potentially good player like Gila/Pato.
Frankly, the only way for Milan to go for Huntelaar IMO is if Gila fails to improve this season and we sell him thus losing our young, target man, who still has to learn and improve.
If Gila stays but Pippo retures, we'd be losing an established and experienced target man, not a youngster but a finished article ... so, I'd expect Milan to go for a similarly experienced player to replace Pippo - someone establshed and at least 28 yo old (like Trez for instance).
I relaly doubt Milan will be willing to end up with two "I need time to learn the ropes" young target men like Gila and Huntelaar on the team, at the same time ... with an even younger Pato around.
just a thought, may be they're after huntelaar after ronaldo injured. so, they'll give ronaldo, inzaghi, gila the CL spot, and get Huntelaar for serie A.
And Huntelaar is not the next best thing, JIm - he is a one-dimensional striker and until we have Gila and Pippo with us, Huntelaar is out of the question IMO.
Name me a better striker who's available?
and again, Huntelaar is cup-tied, that makes his coming to Milan, for this year at least, even more unlikely.
I don't see why this will make alot of difference if we really want him. Like i said before, if anything it'll lower his price.
Also, I am pretty sure that Milan management is not completely sold on Huntelaar as he has yet to prove himself at the level that matters most and Milan is playing at ... and Gila, who before his coming to Milan had much more impressive stats than the Dutchman, is a fresh proof that having potential may well not mean much when your new club is called Milan.
No it might not mean he'll succeed with us, but then it doesn't rule it out either. Just because Gilardino is struggling doesn't mean Huntelaar will. Plus Huntelaar has alot more European experience than Gilardino did and playing against the top Dutch teams is surely the equivalent to playing against mid-table Serie A teams. So i don't think he's as far behind in proving himself as you make out.
Chelsea have bought Belletti, which might mean an end to their Alves chase.
I have a feeling that we'll all forget about Sheva and Ronaldo once Pato starts doing his job in Milan. Milan rarely pays 20 mln for a 17 year old boy. Leonardo and Braida know what they are doing...
Huntelaar is a fantastic striker but I dont see us bringing anyone untill Pato arrives. ONLY IF, and we as a fans cant know that for sure, only if Ronaldo is actually in pretty bad shape and Carlo thinks he cant give much this season...they MAYBE we'll go for Di Natale of someone like that.
off topic:
Dont want to be boring, but this is a question. Have you guys seen Srna from Sakhtar play?? For some unknown reason Sakhtar owner doesnt wanna sell him and he has some mad contract in there. But this man plays simply brilliant football. Plays like a mad man. Every single game he does something extraordinary. I cant believe he still plays in Ucraine league... Im not saying Milan needs him , its just horribkle to see those kind of palyers never make it on headlines when they should.
guys... hahaha, chech this out... :)
"To [president Ramon] Calderon I said, you are failing here. [Milan president] Berlusconi doesn't lack money and has a 'pretty face' at Milan - who is it?
It was Maldini before, but now it is Kaka.
"The boy in all the photos is Kaka. And Berlusconi, who lives an aesthetic life, and loves the aesthetic players, will never let such a man go." - Fabio CAPELLO !
Emerson got no. 5 and Materazzi got injured for 4 months!! buahahahaha. . .
Dont want to be boring, but this is a question. Have you guys seen Srna from Sakhtar play?? For some unknown reason Sakhtar owner doesnt wanna sell him and he has some mad contract in there. But this man plays simply brilliant football. Plays like a mad man. Every single game he does something extraordinary. I cant believe he still plays in Ucraine league... Im not saying Milan needs him , its just horribkle to see those kind of palyers never make it on headlines when they should.
i think the reason for this is that he plays that good only in NT jersey... I haven't seen him play like that for shaktar..
maybe it's the well known croatian passion when playing for NT...i always remember asanovic, jerkan, and such players who never gave such amazing plays to their clubs like their NT
zlatanov
23-08-2007, 10:26
Name me a better striker who's available?
is he? after Ajax sold Sneijder, I am not so sure - they said before that they will sell only one of Sneijder Huntelaar this year, not both.
Plus, other than his presumed availability, what does he have going for him - nothig ... he is CL cup-tied and he is the type ofstriker we DO NOT need now that we have Pippo and Gila.
If we do need a striker or rather if we go for one, he will be a different type of player than Huntelaar is.
By this logic, we should be piling up promising players just becasue they had one good season somewhere even if they are not the type of player we need ... and again, you are overvaluing Huntelaar as he is yet to prove himself at the level fo football that counts ... there are a whole bunch of players out there who fit this criteria and I am sure for each one of them, their fans would claim what you claim for Huntelaar - that he is the real deal.
If that's the criteria to become a Milan player, then I guess we should form a B and C squad for all the Huntelaars from all the smaller championships in Europe.
If Huntelaar was a player Milan wanted, then I guess we'd have gone for that Dinamo Zagreb Brazilian kid who went to Arsenal or better yet - Claudio Pizarro, who was proven and free at that. Or Rolando Bianchi - Huntelaar is not more proven then Bianchi was when he became one of the most prolific striker in Serie A.
The only difference between Huntelaar and these guys is that his media fame/hype is bigger, nothing else - apart from Pizarro, all those young players have potential and have shown promise at lower level of football but are unproven on the big scene, nothing different than Huntelaar.
I don't see why this will make alot of difference if we really want him. Like i said before, if anything it'll lower his price.
no it won't because, as mentioned, Ajax don;t want to sell him and Sneijder in one summer. And given the crazy money they got for Sneijder - twice than they had hoped for at the start of the summer - it would take an offer they cannot refuse to make them wanna sell him (they have a Dutch title and CL spot to fight for, after all).
No it might not mean he'll succeed with us, but then it doesn't rule it out either. Just because Gilardino is struggling doesn't mean Huntelaar will. Plus Huntelaar has alot more European experience than Gilardino did and playing against the top Dutch teams is surely the equivalent to playing against mid-table Serie A teams. So i don't think he's as far behind in proving himself as you make out.
Chelsea have bought Belletti, which might mean an end to their Alves chase.
no, it doesn;t mean he will fail but by this logic we should go for any striker who managed to top the goalscoring charts of any half-decent championship - and there are at least 10 such players every year in Europe ... most of them, we'll never make it in big football as it eventually turns out to be the case.
Playing vs. small italian teams is not the same as playing vs top dutch teams as italian teams make the work of strikers a lot more difficult with their closed, defensive tactics.
In the end of the day those small italian teams may not be successful when you look at the bigger picture - hence the term "small" - but their philosophy is always to defend in numbers and when that's the case, it doesn't matter if you are playing vs a smaller italian team or not - forwards always find it different (read more difficlut) than it would be vs a more famous but not so defensive team.
Huntelaar's CL experience is no different than Gila's back then - he had only half a season with Ajax in CL (actually, just 2 games) - he went to Ajax in the winer of the 2005/2006 season and only played for them in the two games vs Inter where he scored an odd goal but ajax went out of the competition - that's two games in CL for that year.
and the next year, last season (2006/07), Ajax failed to qualify for the group stage after losing from Copenhagen in two games.
In Europe, Huntelaar has played 10 games altogether (only 4 in CL), counting qualifiers, the only good team Huntelaar managed to score is Inter, all the rest of his goals came vs team like Copenhagen, legia Warsaw, and some teams that I don't even remeber the names of.
And that unimpressive record belongs to a 24 yo player (Huntelaar is no longer a 20 yo promise) and when Gila came to Milan, he was 23 yo with the difference that he was serie A's best, or 2nd best goalscorer (just a goal behind Sheva) for 2 years in a row and that was a record achieved in Italy, not Holland - obviously, Gila's record would have much more "weight" when Milan decide if a player has proven himself enough in order for them to make a move.
While it doesn't mean that Huntelaar could not possibly turn out to be a better player than Gila, when it comes to having proven their qualities, Milan had more reasons to go for Gila than they do now to go for Huntelaar.
no, it doesn;t mean he will fail but by this logic we should go for any striker who managed to top the goalscoring charts of any half-decent championship - and there are at least 10 such players every year in Europe ... most of them, we'll never make it in big football as it eventually turns out to be the case.
Zlat it's the basis of your logic as well, so arguing against me is like arguing against yourself. You're saying he might come here and fail and i'm saying he might come here and succeed. What's the difference?
Playing vs. small italian teams is not the same as playing vs top dutch teams
If this was the case then we'd surely be able to beat top Dutch teams easily, something we've not done when we've played them. I find your dismissal of the top Dutch teams a bit disrespectful to be honest.
Huntelaar's CL experience is no different than Gila's back then
I was careful to say European experience and not CL experience as Huntelaar had some European experience with Herenveen in the Uefa cup. Now maybe we should just buy players with the top level of experience, playing in World Cup finals, CL finals, winning league titles, domestic cup finals and anyone without all of this kind of experience should be immediately cast aside as not worthy!
I think like my discussion with Dev, we should just agree to disagree.
hitmannq8
23-08-2007, 11:08
Jim, there are no guarantees that Huntelaar would perform in Milan. He is so similar to how Pippo/Gila play and he is young and coming from a different league. All these factors are disadvantages he has, and let alone being cup-tied. Dude whether you like it or not, we will not be going for him this summer.
Adriano has proven that he has what it takes to be one of the best players in the world from his Parma days and early Inter days. What I think he needs is simply a change of environment to find his form again (just like Gila). I think Adriano will feel at ease with the 'Milan family' attitude and will eventually start performing.
Don't be silly and listen to Zlat.
Huntelaar is not coming to Milan, but not only he won't join you this year, he won't go to Milan even next year. If he ever goes to Italy it will be Juventus. Juve directors flew to Amsterdam to many times for Huntelaar and eventhough not official, it is believed that he is blocked for next year.
This year he won't go anywhere. At least people from the Netherlands who follow Ajax say so. Ajax sold Babel and Sneijder and have loads of money now. They have absolutely no intention to sell their third star. Ajax didn't win Dutch league for a long time and this is their best chance in last years to finally win the league. Everyone i know and who follows Dutch football says that there is 0% chance Ajax to sell Huntelaar this year (using him for the CLQ is enough of a proof).
But there are also no guarantees that he'll fail. Why should that view take precedence over him succeeding? Just for everything you say is against him you could find something that's in his favour.
I'm well aware that it's highly unlikely we'll go for him.
Adriano has also proven that he's just as likely to disrupt our 'family' environment and it's quite a stretch to think he'll suddenly revert to his best form and not stay in his atrocious, over weight world cup form. Really, what does he have that makes him so special and our environment isn't going to work on everyone is it. It's not really working for Gilardino and who knows if it'll work for Ronaldo. Not every distressed little footballer that comes here is going to find a return to their best form.
Don't be silly and listen to Zlat.
Huntelaar is not coming to Milan, but not only he won't join you this year, he won't go to Milan even next year. If he ever goes to Italy it will be Juventus. Juve directors flew to Amsterdam to many times for Huntelaar and eventhough not official, it is believed that he is blocked for next year.
This year he won't go anywhere. At least people from the Netherlands who follow Ajax say so. Ajax sold Babel and Sneijder and have loads of money now. They have absolutely no intention to sell their third star. Ajax didn't win Dutch league for a long time and this is their best chance in last years to finally win the league. Everyone i know and who follows Dutch football says that there is 0% chance Ajax to sell Huntelaar this year (using him for the CLQ is enough of a proof).
Firstly don't tell me who to listen to and secondly i also don't remember saying we'd actually sign him or make any offer for him or even that Ajax would sell him.
Juventus have been linked with him for goodness knows how long and he's still not materialised. Do you really think you're the only club who have sent people over to see him? Until something official is shown saying he's a Juventus player, we still have as much chance of signing him as anyone else.
sheva-gila
23-08-2007, 11:49
you can say that Im crazy but this guy is a Gila type of player
given that gila is playing like a retard for the last year or so, maybe he would be good to us...but than again maybe he wouldn't...or would he..?! :grinser:
Firstly don't tell me who to listen to and secondly i also don't remember saying we'd actually sign him or make any offer for him or even that Ajax would sell him.Who was talking to you ? :)
I have some problems with my PC in last 2 days and all i read from this Huntelaar debate were the first 3-4 posts and Zlat's reply. I didn't even read the last 2-3 pages and your replies.
Sorry if it sounded like i was replying to you
Juventus have been linked with him for goodness knows how long and he's still not materialised. Do you really think you're the only club who have sent people over to see him? Until something official is shown saying he's a Juventus player, we still have as much chance of signing him as anyone else.
Like i said, it's unofficial. It's only official that Juve directors flew to Amsterdan before and after Juve signed Iaquinta and renewed Trez's contract. God knows if those news from back then were reliable but it was said that Juve and Ajax came to an agreement Huntelaar to join Juve next year. No one from both clubs confirmed it so it may not be true at all. It's only a fact that there have been numerous contacts between the two clubs about Huntelaar.
And Ajax not selling Huntelaar this year may also mean that they will sell him only next year and that the buyer is known . He is a wanted man and yet no one bought him this year. And the fact that he was playing in CL should mean that Ajax are not waiting for new offers for him.
Ok, lets accept that he won't go to Juve, because i admit it's far from certain. But i don't see why would anyone think Ajax will sell him now ?
Warro Bantan
23-08-2007, 12:23
Woooah there now cowboys!! All this over Huntelaar? Ok, I admit he is a talent, but he isnt going anywhere, based on Ajax´s sales alone this term, added to the fact that he is cup-tied...nah, odds are against a move....
For next term? Hmmm...as a Pippo replacement? Why not...though personally, I would prefer Quag, or maybe Bantanaldo...(a "newly" discovered Brazilian-Jamaican-Argentine, who is poised to set the world afire!!), ie a support striker, to spell Pato and Ronaldo...in support of Gila. :D
zlatanov
23-08-2007, 12:27
Firstly don't tell me who to listen to and secondly i also don't remember saying we'd actually sign him or make any offer for him or even that Ajax would sell him.
Juventus have been linked with him for goodness knows how long and he's still not materialised. Do you really think you're the only club who have sent people over to see him? Until something official is shown saying he's a Juventus player, we still have as much chance of signing him as anyone else.
take it easy Jim, Tony was just joking on my account ... in fact, I shouldbe the one mad at him :mad:
:grinser:
about Huntelaar, you are right - the chance that he will succeed should not take precedence over the possibility he will be a flop, and it doesn't ... that was not my argument.
As longas there is a chance he will flop, however, that makes Huntelaar an "IF" so to speak, it makes him a "risk" ...
Milan already has one such "IF" player - Gilardino (I am not even gonna mention Pato here cause he is an IF^2 right now).
By IF I mean a player who has the potential but would need time and space to learn, get more experience and maybe realize that potential.
There are three reasons, why I think it would be best if you don't get your hopes to see Huntelaar come to Milan, at least this summer, too high:
1) even if we do move for a forward, he is not the typeof player we currently need, not with Pippo and Gila around anyway
2) he is cup-tied
3) with one IF already here (Gila), if there is something our transfer policy should tell us is that there will not be another IF coming (especially when they both are similar type of players) unless the first one leaves.
If Pippo leaves, for one reason or another, the player to replace him will be an established one, not an IF, so the only way for us to see Huntelaar at Milan next year (I am writing the current one off completely), would be to see Gila go.
As for my personal opinion on Huntelaar - I would like to see him at Milan but only if Gila is let go i.e. one IF goes, another takes his place ... if there's one young target man out there I'd like to see take Gila's place in Milan (should he fail to impress this season), that's Huntelaar ...
As for what Tony said, I am afraid it's true - there have been strong rumours that Juve have secured an option on him for next year and that they have even paid money for that option.
You have a go at Kash and question if he even watched any games last season and then you say that! :googly: Our defence was a problem last year. Kaladze & Bonera are great squad players, but that's about it.
our defence is such a big problem that we concede 2 goals more than the Serie A winner last season with Nesta injuried for half a season and Maldini missing out a third of the games.......What a crappy defence! Why don't we buy over Chivu so that our defence can concede 2 goals lesser? :grinser:
zlatanov
23-08-2007, 12:46
And Ajax not selling Huntelaar this year may also mean that they will sell him only next year and that the buyer is known . He is a wanted man and yet no one bought him this year. And the fact that he was playing in CL should mean that Ajax are not waiting for new offers for him.
actually, once the deal with Valencia fell thru, Ajax said that Sneijder would not be leaving them this year too and only the ridiculous amount Real M offered and paid for him made them change their mind.
My point is that Ajax had big plans for this season and that's another reason why they were so keen on keeping Huntelaar and Sneijder - the fact that they now face CL elimination is a dif matter (calculations aren't always perfect, you know).
Also, the player himself said he wasn't ready for a big European league and wanted to spend one more year at Ajax.
Anoither thing is that Huntelaar is a bit like Sneijder - he's been under the scrutiny of big european clubs for a some time now but no one has moved in to makethe decisive step ... of course in Sneijder's case that time was 5 years, in Huntelaar's 2, for now.
One reason for this is that Huntelaar has failed to come out and convince on the big stage - in Dutch NT and CL level, or at least UEFA Cup level - and goals gallore vs De Graafshap and a couple of goals vs some no-name clubs in UEFA CUp is not enough to convince ManU, Barca and others interested in him to pay 15-20 mil for him.
Peolple often use the argument that the Dutch league has produced many, many super players over the years and they all started from impressing in the Duntch league but those people forget the fact that those players also confirmed their quality at NT and CL level before hitting it big in other european leagues - something Huntelaar has failed to do, at least for now.
Also, last year Huntelaar started a good number of games from the bench due to poor form but also it was rumoured that he was not very favoured by the new coach - Ten cate - whether they had a fall out or whatever I am not sure but those who followed Ajax last year probably noticed that Huntelaar was spending some time on the bench.
Last season was basically his second at Ajax and came immediately after the season where he scored 33 league goals for Heerenveen and Ajax, combined ... and it was that perfomance of his in 05/06 that attracted so much attention in Europe ... back then he was also very coveted by the NT coach, which was no longer the case last year (06/07 season).
One super season followed by a less impressive one is hardly the way to convince the European super powers to open their wallets.
Name me a better striker who's available?
I don't see why this will make alot of difference if we really want him. Like i said before, if anything it'll lower his price.
No it might not mean he'll succeed with us, but then it doesn't rule it out either. Just because Gilardino is struggling doesn't mean Huntelaar will. Plus Huntelaar has alot more European experience than Gilardino did and playing against the top Dutch teams is surely the equivalent to playing against mid-table Serie A teams. So i don't think he's as far behind in proving himself as you make out.
The point Zlat is trying to make is Huntelaar is the same type of play as Gila/inzaghi and its not like milan to go around collecting players like chelsea. If we are going to buy a striker then he would most likely be a support type of striker or a proven goal poacher with more experience to replace inzaghi. Huntelaar is like Gila IMO so unless Milan is sure they don't trust Gila anymore else i don't see Huntelaar coming. Huntelaar coming = Gila leaving. And when we talk about proven, we mean scoring against big teams in UCL, scoring against dutch teams is still consider unproven. Gila show that scoring against big teams in UCL is totally different from scoring against mid table Serie A teams.
Yeah Zlat, i'm with you on this.
Actually, i have to admit that i haven't watched a single match of Huntelaar so i don't really have an opinion on him but from what i read (from Dutch men who really know football) it looks like Huntelaar, not only that he still isn't ready for a big club, but he's also more hype than top quality. Don't misunderstand me, they say he is good, but far from what papers make him to look.
Looks like Huntelaar was getting a lot of criticism lately for his displays and he has a lot of faults in his game he needs to work on. He himself admitted that he is not ready for a big club.
The point Zlat is trying to make is Huntelaar is the same type of play as Gila/inzaghi and its not like milan to go around collecting players like chelsea. If we are going to buy a striker then he would most likely be a support type of striker or a proven goal poacher with more experience to replace inzaghi. Huntelaar is like Gila IMO so unless Milan is sure they don't trust Gila anymore else i don't see Huntelaar coming. Huntelaar coming = Gila leaving. And when we talk about proven, we mean scoring against big teams in UCL, scoring against dutch teams is still consider unproven. Gila show that scoring against big teams in UCL is totally different from scoring against mid table Serie A teams.
So a ideal type of player would be David Villa, I saw him yesterday in the friendly game Greece - Spain 2-3 to be honoured our ex captain Thodoris Zagorakis in Toumba stadium here in Thessaloniki. He mooves a lot, he is quick, he scores, also in good condition was Joacquin and Torres. But an authentic talent i think is tiago Silva of Valencia, yesterday scored two goals, he is a a player with confindence in his abilities, with good technique, quick and he keeps improoving from last year. If he continues in the same rate, he will get a transfer in 1 or 2 years.
Kaka--7thUCL
23-08-2007, 13:40
huntelaar sucks, I say this because he is nothing special and he will never be like van basten, now that r10 has citizenship, buy him :)
Warro Bantan
23-08-2007, 13:42
Ok Zlat...enuf on this Dutch guy...whats the news on R10? Has he stormed out of training yet? :D
zlatanov
23-08-2007, 13:53
Ok Zlat...enuf on this Dutch guy...whats the news on R10? Has he stormed out of training yet? :D
no, but if he doesn't wanna do it on his own, you and I can blind fold him, roll him up in a carpet or something and carry him out of Barcelona in the trunk of a minivan :D
back to Huntelaar :D
I am not saying that he is a bad player and I fully disagree that he is one ... in fact, he is a player in whom I saw that Pippo instinct for the goal at a level that no other player except Pippo and Trez, and maybe RvN, has put on show over the last 10 years probably.
IMO, Huntelaar has that same instinct and can turn into a really deadly weapon if properly taken care of ... this is why I said that should Gila be let go, Huntelaar is the one young target man I'd like to see replace the Italian.
What I've been trying to convince Jim was not that huntelaar is a bad, untalanted player but that he is not ready yet to carry the attack of a team like Milan on his shoulders and having two such players, who are also very similar in playing style, on the team - Gila is the other - is something we cannot afford to have, especially when we just paid 22 mil for Pato.
If Huntelaar was to come in, then Gila would have to go.
slicknick
23-08-2007, 13:53
now that r10 has citizenship, buy him :)
You make it sound like we're buying a pack of chewing gum ;)
Am I the only one who wants number 5 retired?
You can include me as I admire Billy more than Paolo :5ok:
slicknick
23-08-2007, 13:55
or maybe Bantanaldo
:dontkn: :zany:
:mad: :mad: Enough of the pro-Huntelaar vs the anti-Huntelaar war :mad: :mad:
Let's just hold hands unitedly behind Milan.......
....and go buy Quaresma :guw:
Let's just hold hands unitedly behind Milan.......
I'm not holding anyone's hand unless i'm drunk or they're a girl.
Warro Bantan
23-08-2007, 14:27
and bad man dont play the "behind" ting roun ere!! :D
ACMILAN1983
23-08-2007, 15:49
One other article on Goal.com, about AC MIlan, catch my eye.
The man has got the point.
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=390773
Meh, it's the same thing we've been hearing for the past 5-6 years. Interesting that article fails to mention some of the key reasons as to why we physically suffered so much last season.
Also, the apparently weak defence of last season was one of the best in Serie A (statistically), and that was with a number of players injured all through season (again, the reason is what the article fails to mention). In fact, our weakest area was in Midfield as we didn't have the stability we had in the past (Seedorf was a stable player in deeper midfield and we always had superior talent to Brocchi on the bench), and Emerson has been signed to toughen the area up.
I'm not getting my hopes up too much now on new signings. We could make the odd signing (including R10, especially as he's finally getting EU), but nothing is sure at all as far as i'm concerned.
I also think management see R99 and Oddo as new signings, as last season they had to assimilate very quickly into the side and never could perform at their best due to little preparation. This season, they're getting a proper preseason (despite R99 current injury), and so should be in top shape and properly settled for the upcoming season.
Just read an interesting story on football365.com about dynamo kyiv wanting to take back sheva for a loan. can't quite translate anything from their homepage. what a turn of events if that were to happen. i had read some comments from the ukraine national coach about how sheva couldn't even play the whole 90 minutes because he's been riding pine (or actually not even on it)-just seems sad how the fortunes of someone can change.
i'd like to see it happen.
Just read an interesting story on football365.com about dynamo kyiv wanting to take back sheva for a loan. can't quite translate anything from their homepage. what a turn of events if that were to happen. i had read some comments from the ukraine national coach about how sheva couldn't even play the whole 90 minutes because he's been riding pine (or actually not even on it)-just seems sad how the fortunes of someone can change.
i'd like to see it happen.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/6961441.stm
Its even on BBC now, if we were ever to see the death of a legend its happening right now
Just read an interesting story on football365.com about dynamo kyiv wanting to take back sheva for a loan. can't quite translate anything from their homepage. what a turn of events if that were to happen. i had read some comments from the ukraine national coach about how sheva couldn't even play the whole 90 minutes because he's been riding pine (or actually not even on it)-just seems sad how the fortunes of someone can change.
i'd like to see it happen.
We can help him if he can get EU passport before 1st of Sept. :respect:
Lebanese
23-08-2007, 23:01
We can help him if he can get EU passport before 1st of Sept. :respect:
Nahhhh thats the price he gonna pay for turning his back 2us .
Lebanese
23-08-2007, 23:06
Milan: pazza idea Huntelaar
23.08.2007 23.05 di Francesco Letizia articolo letto 4654 volte
Secondo il portale internazionale di calciomercato www.4-4-2.com, il Milan pensa a Klaas-Jan Huntelaar: l'attaccante, da tempo nel mirino anche di Juventus e Real, andrebbe a completare il reparto d'attacco rossonero, al momento un po' sguarnito con gli acciaccati Inzaghi e Ronaldo, il deludente Gilardino e il giovane Pato in arrivo solo a gennaio. Sul giovane attaccante di Drempf ci sarebbe una grande sponsorizzazione di Ruud Gullit, che lo sta promuovendo da mesi alla dirigenza rossonera con cui rimane sempre in ottimi rapporti.
milan is considering the dutch stinger or its just a rumor to make us sleep on the net ?
Originally posted by zlatanov
back to Huntelaar
I am not saying that he is a bad player and I fully disagree that he is one ... in fact, he is a player in whom I saw that Pippo instinct for the goal at a level that no other player except Pippo and Trez, and maybe RvN, has put on show over the last 10 years probably.
IMO, Huntelaar has that same instinct and can turn into a really deadly weapon if properly taken care of ... this is why I said that should Gila be let go, Huntelaar is the one young target man I'd like to see replace the Italian.
What I've been trying to convince Jim was not that huntelaar is a bad, untalanted player but that he is not ready yet to carry the attack of a team like Milan on his shoulders and having two such players, who are also very similar in playing style, on the team - Gila is the other - is something we cannot afford to have, especially when we just paid 22 mil for Pato.
If Huntelaar was to come in, then Gila would have to go.
Exactly, Two similar strikers is two much a luxury. If pippo quits,we'd better go for power type(adriano etc) or wing type(quagliarella etc);unless there is super ones available.
and bad man dont play the "behind" ting roun ere!! :D
:haha: Dr Evil would be so proud :respect:
I'm not holding anyone's hand unless i'm drunk or they're a girl
is it me or did two citizens of the two gayest countries on earth (Jamaica & England) get defensive about my post :confused:
Kinda makes me wonder what's in you guys' minds :guw:
:D
Arildonardo
24-08-2007, 02:18
I read this in a norwegian newspaper this morning:
According to Dinamo Kiev's homepage their boss Igor Surkis wants to loan Shevchenko from Chelsea. They are prepared to pay his high wages, but tells Chelsea that they can forget to get back the transfer-fee that they paid to Milan. :grinser:
For those of you who understand norwegian, here's the link ( :) ) :
http://fotball.fvn.no/england/article88307.ece
On Shevchenko, hes a fool for leaving a side that uses 3 playmakers and two fullbacks all looking to feed the ball into him. To make him even more foolish he chooses Chelsea where he becomes the biggest playmaker. I have never seen a team with so many greedy farts in my life. Everyone of them either runs or shoots except Makalele who cant pass further than 15 yards anyway.
If Shevchenko shows the heart he did at Milan then he will recover from his dip in the same way Figo recovered. The only questions are will he keep trying>>Yes hes still got that ego that will drive him. Also will he get the ball>>Hell no, Chelsea is the only big team in Europe without a creative playmaker who looks for movement up front.
yes yes yes :grinser: I'm enjoying every minute of $heva's downfall :grinser:
but still, I'd be happy to welcome him in FK Sarajevo :D :D :D
On Huntelaar, I agree with Jim.
If Gila turns into a 24 goal machine then great, who needs a new striker other than Pato. But if he doesnt, then Huntelaar looks the next best option for a pure goal getter. We should only sign him next summer or even later and only if Gila doesnt start performing. I think hes also becoming frustrated about not stealing more headlines.
As Jim said there is no guarantee Huntelaar will fail or succeed, but it doesnt mean we should to persist with Gila forever.
If Huntelaar don´t score more than 20 goals for season you guys will gonna blame him like did with Gilardino and Ricardo Oliveira.
Anyway, I agree that Huntelaar is amazing player. I prefer him than 100 Henrys.
Anyway, I agree that Huntelaar is amazing player. I prefer him than 100 Henrys.
LOL, probably because Henry aint Brazillion? Let him remain consistent for 8 years in top flight football then fair enough.
Huntelaar is a great player and there is no denying that, but there are too many clubs after him and IMO he's more likely to be another Gilla type of player.
slicknick
24-08-2007, 05:03
LOL, probably because Henry aint Brazillion?
Brazillion? Does that before or after Quadrillion ? ;)
Huntelaa will not come to Milan this year as noone will come to Milan this year becouse our mercato is now closed. We have superstrong team, mostly for CL kind of football, for serie a Im not so sure we have enough depht at the back and up front.
Im also sure Hunt isnt Juve's player right now as in mercato moves anything can change with few milions, and If Gila really, really fails to show something or Pippo gets badly injured next year we might end uip with Huntelaar. But that is way to futuristic to talk about it now.
Graeme C
24-08-2007, 05:27
sheva back to milan via Empoli. Now that would be some nice news this morning :zany:
What i dont get is that Chelsea were willing to lose loads on Mutu, kezman.. but why not sheva?
Anymore news on Chiellini?
So Ronaldo's putting on weight but it isn't his fault and apparently he's going to start taking pills to counter-act this :rollani:
As for Shevchenko, how many more 'troubled' strikers do we need? No thanks, that boat has sailed.
zlatanov
24-08-2007, 06:58
So Ronaldo's putting on weight but it isn't his fault and apparently he's going to start taking pills to counter-act this :rollani:
As for Shevchenko, how many more 'troubled' strikers do we need? No thanks, that boat has sailed.
Jim, from what I read on gazzetta's first page, Ronaldo is not putting on weight as he's been training well at Milan ... what the Milan medics have discovered is that he has a tendency to put on weight due to a problem with the thyroid glands or whatever.
They expect that the training will put him in good shape, while medication will keep that tendency under control.
this article:
http://www.tgcom.mediaset.it/sport/articoli/articolo376444.shtml
claims that eventhough he had surprised everyone on his return from Brazil where he had been following a special training regime all summer under the guidance of Tognacini (the prep. coach), Ronaldo has lost 5 kg since he came back from Brazil to Milanello thanks to a new diet(combined with medications) he was put on immediately after his thyroid problem was discovered during his first tests after his arrival from Brazil.
They also say that the respective Antidoping commettees have been notified of his taking these new medications, so that there aren't any problems from that aspect.
not sure how true that is but that's basically what it says on his weight-related problems.
Well i read something that said he was putting on weight, so i guess a bad translation.
But he's still taking pills for his thyroid problem.
Jim, from what I read on gazzetta's first page, Ronaldo is not putting on weight as he's been training well at Milan ... what the Milan medics have discovered is that he has a tendency to put on weight due to a problem with the thyroid glands or whatever.
They expect that the training will put him in good shape, while medication will keep that tendency under control.
this article:
http://www.tgcom.mediaset.it/sport/articoli/articolo376444.shtml
claims that eventhough he had surprised everyone on his return from Brazil where he had been following a special training regime all summer under the guidance of Tognacini (the prep. coach), Ronaldo has lost 5 kg since he came back from Brazil to Milanello thanks to a new diet(combined with medications) he was put on immediately after his thyroid problem was discovered during his first tests after his arrival from Brazil.
They also say that the respective Antidoping commettees have been notified of his taking these new medications, so that there aren't any problems from that aspect.
not sure how true that is but that's basically what it says on his weight-related problems.
Zlat I love you soooo much :respect: you have defended my boy Ronaldo........I am forever at your service :respect:
Arildonardo
24-08-2007, 07:59
What i dont get is that Chelsea were willing to lose loads on Mutu, kezman.. but why not sheva?
There are signs that Abramovich is tired of throwing money at Chelsea:
1. They haven't spent anywhere close the amounts of last year and the year before.
2. They don't sell Shevchenko because all the deals offered were nowhere near their asking-price.
3. They've sold Robben to get some money.
4. They didn't meet Sevilla's asking-price for Alves, which they normally would do, and signed a cheap Belletti instead.
this whole huntelaar discussion is stupid because this will be gila's best season so far...
As Zlat says: remember, you heard ih here first :p155: :grinser:
Jim, from what I read on gazzetta's first page, Ronaldo is not putting on weight as he's been training well at Milan ... what the Milan medics have discovered is that he has a tendency to put on weight due to a problem with the thyroid glands or whatever.
They expect that the training will put him in good shape, while medication will keep that tendency under control.
this article:
http://www.tgcom.mediaset.it/sport/articoli/articolo376444.shtml
claims that eventhough he had surprised everyone on his return from Brazil where he had been following a special training regime all summer under the guidance of Tognacini (the prep. coach), Ronaldo has lost 5 kg since he came back from Brazil to Milanello thanks to a new diet(combined with medications) he was put on immediately after his thyroid problem was discovered during his first tests after his arrival from Brazil.
They also say that the respective Antidoping commettees have been notified of his taking these new medications, so that there aren't any problems from that aspect.
not sure how true that is but that's basically what it says on his weight-related problems.
So with the few kilos he lost when he arrived in Milan, and the training regime in Brazil ,plus thhose 5 kilos now with the medications, he should be in quite good shape once the injury is gone?? Is that even possible for a professional player to loose so much weight in such a short time?
LOL, probably because Henry aint Brazillion? Let him remain consistent for 8 years in top flight football then fair enough.
Huntelaar is a great player and there is no denying that, but there are too many clubs after him and IMO he's more likely to be another Gilla type of player.
What´s the big deal about Henry don´t be brazilian? Huntelaar is? Zidane is french and make me feel good and play football. What a amazing player. I don´t have any problems about it, even he being the man who ruined Brazil for 2 times in World Cup.
I just prefer lots of other players than Henry.
Russo-Neri
24-08-2007, 10:33
Read this on tribal. It's a direct quote from Emerson which says he's wearing #5 this season
http://www.tribalfootball.com/article.php?id=53630
Warro Bantan
24-08-2007, 11:48
With these declarations:
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=456262&cc=5739 its now only a matter of days before we sign him :grinser:
Kaka--7thUCL
24-08-2007, 12:19
I think our best bet is to get those 2 brazilian kids and sign a big name striker/RM
I am crazy that i still want Sheva to get back? He will not play at Chelsea with Mourihno. Out of subject, all Greece are in fire, with have 160 fires now burning, the majority of them are in Pelponisos the ground where Giannis leaves (Agrinio). Since now we have 20 dead people, a lot of people phone to TV channels lively to ask for help because they are sourounded by fires, Event our prime minister will go all over the places now. The news in every channel are on air (They usually end at 9:15 at the night now is 10:32. At least in Thessaloniki is too hot 38 degrees but we are ok.
Hold on man, I hope they manage to stop the fires! We have the same problem in Croatia every summer, horrible stuff.
Warro Bantan
24-08-2007, 14:50
My prayers are with you Giorgos!! Hope nothing at all happens to you and yours!
Thanks Warro but Thessaloniki is one of the few places that are out of danger!. I care about Ross11 because there all the places are getting burned!!.
hany.Egypt
24-08-2007, 15:44
oooh My God 38 degrees, its 33 in Egypt and I am feeling like in hell
Graeme C
24-08-2007, 15:51
oooh My God 38 degrees, its 33 in Egypt and I am feeling like in hell
can we trade, its still winter in the UK :zany:
kastriot
24-08-2007, 16:48
can we trade, its still winter in the UK :zany:
Dude you dont wanna trade with that....I assure you, 38 is nothing,45+ is expected....that is hell
hitmannq8
24-08-2007, 17:04
lol@you guys complaining about 35. you ever try 55 degrees celcius? yea well the average in kuwait is right now 50!
hany.Egypt
24-08-2007, 17:13
is this true hitman, I mean I know that its very hot in the golf area but I thought its sth alike 40 or 45, but 55 how do people stand that? doesnot this cause death?
hitmannq8
24-08-2007, 18:09
well i thought -40 celcius would cause death, i remember one night in january 2005 it was -53, i went out in trackpants just to see how cold it is, it was amazing lol.. anything below -30 is the same to me, you just dont feel anything.. but no, +50 does not cause death lol but i do remember one summer that alot of tourists got sun burnt and it was very serious, but it never caused deaths.. one time in 2004 it was +63 celcius in kuwait, you just feel too hot when you go outside, you shudnt stay out for say 30 mins because then it affects your brain cells (for some reason)..
at least the football players dont have to worry about playing in these conditions..europe always have nice chilli temperatures
Am I in a weather room or what? thougth, sorry for all victims suffering under this global warm(myself included)
I know this thread is called "Summer Mercato" but could we go back to the Mercato aspect, and forget the Summer subject?
or should we just name this www.weathermania.com?
Kaka--7thUCL
24-08-2007, 21:30
lol, back to summer mercato then, any further news on huntelaar XD
Kaka--7thUCL
25-08-2007, 01:48
Nvm huntelaar, looking back at Baptista, he's great, I hope we can still finalize a deal for him! Our attack would be good with him, I say we go for Robinho, his spot in madrid next yr will probly be on the bench too, and he knows it, so we should jump on it.. Cmon.. young,good,skillful, he can be 10x better at milan :) with those two brazilians possibly new additions to our club? Or soon to be, and Baptista or Robinho in attack would be unstoppable, and since we ahven't made any complete business with barca yet, why not sign Zambrotta and give him #5 instead of emerson ;)
kastriot
25-08-2007, 02:04
, I say we go for Robinho, his spot in madrid next yr will probly be on the bench too, and he knows it,
What makes you say that, robinho is in great form after and during the CA,he was voted the best player there...
The only winger that can threaten his place in Real is Robben,but they can both play depending on Schuster. even if they play 4-4-2 or 4-3-3,there is place for Robinho.
JB,Drenthe,Higuain are the ones most probably sitting on the bench.
And also I dont think Barca will let Zambrota go considering they already sold Belleti to Chelsea. Now his the only right back they have.
Enough of the fantasy football guys, let's get back to reality!! :)
Now that Madrid have bought their usual glut of overpriced, unproven "stars", what will they do with last year's lot? As Zlat has been saying, what now of Julio Baptista? Do we continue negotiations for him, or is our market truly over?
The other interesting one is Marcelo. When Real got him last year, he was rated as the next big thing from Brazil. I havent seen him play, but from what I read, this guy's supposed to be class. Now, why is he not a regular in Madrid? And if he is available, wouldnt he be a fairly good solution to our LB problems? Oh, and he must be non EU isnt he?
remote2book
25-08-2007, 02:47
maybe now wud be the best time to snap up julio baptista.......
Enough of the fantasy football guys, let's get back to reality!! :)
Now that Madrid have bought their usual glut of overpriced, unproven "stars", what will they do with last year's lot? As Zlat has been saying, what now of Julio Baptista? Do we continue negotiations for him, or is our market truly over?
The other interesting one is Marcelo. When Real got him last year, he was rated as the next big thing from Brazil. I havent seen him play, but from what I read, this guy's supposed to be class. Now, why is he not a regular in Madrid? And if he is available, wouldnt he be a fairly good solution to our LB problems? Oh, and he must be non EU isnt he?
marcelo would be given on loan in Valladollid, so i think they will sell Baptista to us...
41 dead people so far by fires in Greece, a lot of people wanted and the fires cannot be stopped, we asked for help from the EU-Union... :mad:
slicknick
25-08-2007, 04:22
I am crazy that i still want Sheva to get back? He will not play at Chelsea with Mourihno. Out of subject, all Greece are in fire, with have 160 fires now burning, the majority of them are in Pelponisos the ground where Giannis leaves (Agrinio). Since now we have 20 dead people, a lot of people phone to TV channels lively to ask for help because they are sourounded by fires, Event our prime minister will go all over the places now. The news in every channel are on air (They usually end at 9:15 at the night now is 10:32. At least in Thessaloniki is too hot 38 degrees but we are ok.
Be safe, man...
So the rumours about Inter loaning out Adriano are growing in number, i wonder where the big fella will end up.
So the rumours about Inter loaning out Adriano are growing in number, i wonder where the big fella will end up.
I have this feeling he wont be playing at Seria A, I think Sven could persuade Moratti to send him to Manchester especially after the pretty bad injury suffered by Bojinov. Anyway I couldnt care less about the merda scum.
Days are getting numbered, lets just wait and see what magic B&G can oull.
IMO signing Huntelaar would be perfect for Milan! And for JB, I say yes, he can be a great addition to our squad, but I dont think Real will sell him, though it`s football, and everything hapens.
Did you know that Richards from City will play his last season with City this year as his contract expires in summer... there is our chance. He really plays nice football, and can also sometimes play as a LB. Great potential, and I rarely say that for English players :grinser:
Did you know that Richards from City will play his last season with City this year as his contract expires in summer... there is our chance. He really plays nice football, and can also sometimes play as a LB. Great potential, and I rarely say that for English players :grinser:
Can you imagine the best young English defender playing outside EPL ?
The situation with EPL today is the same as it was with serie A in the 90's - the most popular, the most rich and (according to many) the best league in the world. Natives won't leave such a league to play abroad.
It's a shame but it's the reality.
Liverpool, ManUtd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Tottenham ...... this is where he will go if he leaves ManCity. I'm almost 100% sure about this
Did you know that Richards from City will play his last season with City this year as his contract expires in summer... there is our chance. He really plays nice football, and can also sometimes play as a LB. Great potential, and I rarely say that for English players :grinser:
He usually plays RB and has only recently been pushed into a regular CB position. He doesn't play LB and he has 2 years left on his contract. Either way he won't go anywhere outside of England.
I thought on the bottom of the article that zlatanov posted about those two youngsters, it said that real offered us baptista for 8M euros, but we turned it down. I thought that was a good deal
We wait for 2 French helicopters to come here 51 people are dead, fires still appearing a lot of people dissapeared, it looks like a horror film that becomes reality. I got into internet by a card, my main connection doesn't work.
Kaka--7thUCL
25-08-2007, 11:26
So the rumours about Inter loaning out Adriano are growing in number, i wonder where the big fella will end up.
Hopefully in milan, doubt it though, we'd work miracles with him too, and we'd have first team brazilian attack
Adriano Ronaldo
k22
Anyhow, I think JB, is in fact underrated, he's a great forward! I'd be 101% more happier with JB then huntelaar, we do not need huntelaar at all, he can barely support a pass, the only thing he does is score, which yes, we need , but we have many people like that (Inzaghi,Gila), and undoubtedly next year, r10 will be ours :D I say we give milan until the end of next summer mercato and we'll have a team full of super stars :) , not that we already don't, but r10 always helps :grinser: neways, back to "reality" JB is amazing, and he'd fit in well with out squad :p017:
escalade
25-08-2007, 11:51
I'd take Huntelaar over Baptista or Adriano any day. I really hope we sign him, he is gonna be a star and is only 24 !
Can you imagine the best young English defender playing outside EPL ?
The situation with EPL today is the same as it was with serie A in the 90's - the most popular, the most rich and (according to many) the best league in the world. Natives won't leave such a league to play abroad.
It's a shame but it's the reality.
Liverpool, ManUtd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Tottenham ...... this is where he will go if he leaves ManCity. I'm almost 100% sure about this
Very true I personally think if he was to leave City he would either go to Chelsea or Arsenal, Chelsea as they have the money and Arsenal because he supports them.
I have to say he was immense today, like a tank. Persie couldnt get away and he does have pace.
We wait for 2 French helicopters to come here 51 people are dead, fires still appearing a lot of people dissapeared, it looks like a horror film that becomes reality. I got into internet by a card, my main connection doesn't work.
I hope everything is ok Giorgos, I shall pray for you and others.
What a great start for Real Madrid :haha:
The defense went on a holiday on that corner kick :)
Aguero scores for Atletico in the first minute of the match
This is how I rate rumoured forwards
1. Adriano
2. JB
3. KJH - and I don't want him at all :D
Great news Tony, I support Atletico in Spain :)
EDIT: Raul equalised :rolleyes:
King tiger
25-08-2007, 14:36
anyone watched spanish movie "Torrente" ::D :D
Forza Juve! Vecchia Signora....
King tiger
25-08-2007, 15:00
Omg what a penalty for juve .
ah, back to old ways :(
Omg what a penalty for juve .
ah, back to old ways :(
Lol tonys about
King tiger
25-08-2007, 15:08
:D lol tony will probably flame me when he comes here :D
Tig you caught the meaning, in the first half they were good, Amelia kept the score to 1-0, the last 20' minutes Juve was fatigue, their were a face when seemed to be a penalty for Livorno about 10' minutes ago and now the very stricted penalty for Juve which finished the game...
Forza Juve, the team which takes the championships with the well known way is back........ Vecchia Signora.... well done Tony!!
Forza Juve,
Forza Juve?? You are in the wrong place!
Αμαν πια με τον Huntelaar.... He is the type of Gilardino player, a striker, if Gila will fail we may go for him on Summer, but let's help a little bit Gila is our player....
King tiger
25-08-2007, 15:18
4-0 ?? :str: :d55: :d55: :d55:
5- 0
4-0 now, Livorno's defense open and the things were now easy, just like Olympiakos in Greece, 1-0, helped and then 4-0, just why both teams fail in Europe, you see 2 to 7!! :27rr: :1ole: :pr78: and got 5-1 i lsot Buffon that i had in my team... but i have Trezeguet, if i haven't changed PandeV!!
F.....ing Greek system, i use an old connection (slow) which didn't expire yet. My first one, Otenet (The one of the state that give us phone also) doesn't working, their support team is out order.... Outwards of my house a cat was poisoned yesterday morning (now is 11:19 today) i cannot open the windows, 43 degrees, the satelite TV i paid for in the first channel was saying "Real-Atletico" and there was Juve game, in the third was saying "Juventus-Livorno" and there was nothing. All the free channels have politicians saying bul...ts, 3/4 of Greece is on fire, at least Thessaloniki since now doesn't burn about 60 died people, everything is burning above and under here...
4-0 now, Livorno's defense open and the things were now easy, just like Olympiakos in Greece, 1-0, helped and then 4-0, just why both teams fail in Europe, you see 2 to 7!! :27rr: :1ole: :pr78: and got 5-1 i lsot Buffon that i had in my team... but i have Trezeguet, if i haven't changed PandeV!!
F.....ing Greek system, i use an old connection (slow) which didn't expire yet. My first one, Otenet (The one of the state that give us phone also) doesn't working, their support team is out order.... Outwards of my house a cat was poisoned yesterday morning (now is 11:19 today) i cannot open the windows, 43 degrees, the satelite TV i paid for in the first channel was saying "Real-Atletico" and there was Juve game, in the third was saying "Juventus-Livorno" and there was nothing. All the free channels have politicians saying bul...ts, 3/4 of Greece is on fire, at least Thessaloniki since now doesn't burn about 60 died people, everything is burning above and under here...
Now, you are on the wrong trhread. :bri:
Lol, leave Giorgos alone. He has Trezeguet in the fantasy game and that's why he was happy. And his Forza Juve was sarcastic, obviously
And it was a clear penalty on Iaquinta and the ref was perfect. And of course, there wasn't a penalty for Livorno. Their player felt just like that, without being touched
Although it would have been sexy if Juve got the help from the ref and got the win with some dubious penalty in 97th minute.
Ups, i was off-topic. :D
remote2book
25-08-2007, 15:54
congrats tony on the first win.........very good win at that..but there was no penalty there...just admit it ....it was a dive..
As fas as I remember, he (or other people) has opened special thread for that.
Lol, leave Giorgos alone. He has Trezeguet in the fantasy game and that's why he was happy. And his Forza Juve was sarcastic, obviously
And it was a clear penalty on Iaquinta and the ref was perfect. And of course, there wasn't a penalty for Livorno. Their player felt just like that, without being touched
Although it would have been sexy if Juve got the help from the ref and got the win with some dubious penalty in 97th minute.
Ups, i was off-topic. :D
I was sure that everybody could understand it (sorry i cannot smile because is a national penthus here).
Come on Tony, cut sthng, : :1five:
As fas as I remember, he (or other people) has opened special thread for that.
Yes, you're absolutely right.
Truly sorry for his off-topic (and me going off-topic)
But you know, this thread became more of a general discussion thread than transfers only. If you want to make sure that everyone will read what you want to say you'll write it here in this topic :grinser:
But of course, it's not a reason to go completely off topic and we are wrong to bother the members who wait for transfer news here, in summer mercato thread
GL
Edit : And sorry guys, it wasn't a dive. I am aware of your fears from the past, but no referee has the guts to give a penalty to Juve for a dive. Not after Calciopoli. Everything tonight was well deserved for Juventus, and for Livorno
Kaka--7thUCL
25-08-2007, 16:30
Big deal, juve won, wait until milan destroys genoa 10-0..
If you want to make sure that everyone will read what you want to say you'll write it here in this topic :grinser:
:grinser: Lol, I also thought lilke that. This is the first game and you guys want to tell people here about your winning in that game. :)
But of course, it's not a reason to go completely off topic and we are wrong to bother the members who wait for transfer news here, in summer mercato thread
Yeah, this thread is so quiet today. I don't hope pure summer mercato news, at least there were people talking about something like players, transfer gossip etc. :D
And you, Juventino, where is your summary news for today? I mean not summary of fantasy football by yahoo! :respect:
This Sevilla has very good players, Renato is an excellent midfield , he cuts, passes, scores, This left Portugueze winger Duda is one of the best players in crosses, Jesus Navas is one of the best talents in the world now but he has psychological problems (He can't moove out of town) and Dragutinonic is a great defender, with stamina, strenght, strong personality, i mean leadership in defence, how old is he?
About our team if we will buy a third player will be Baptista, i am one of the ones here that i didn't want Emerson but as far as is our player now we need to support him in order to come in a good shape...
:grinser: Lol, I also thought lilke that. This is the first game and you guys want to tell people here about your winning in that game. :)
Yeah, this thread is so quiet today. I don't hope pure summer mercato news, at least there were people talking about something like players, transfer gossip etc. :D
And you, Juventino, where is your summary news for today? I mean not summary of fantasy football by yahoo! :respect:
Sir believe me i wished to have more tranfer targets or made to talk about... but if you see, it's a bet now to close this thread with 2000 posts it will be a huge record and something like an honour for this thread that kept us company during this summer and especially to me that i had to stay in 3 months, all the summer because of my injury.
For our game i will be satisfied if we will win, every start is difficult.
hany.Egypt
25-08-2007, 18:06
Yes and bad startes is Milan's habbit in the last few seasons
Kaka--7thUCL
25-08-2007, 18:17
Also true, but not this yr, we need to win something and hopefully never stop buying next year, unlike this year buying 2 players is rather disgraceful for a team like milan aye? Tehy 1 of the richest teams in world, not to mention they need 2-3 replacements, yet they only buy emerson and pato who cant play until jan.
Now, you are on the wrong trhread. :bri:
Hey, Giorgos is a PAOK ultra (you can tell it by looking at his avatar) whose favorite players are Kaka, MVB, etc (all of them are or were Milan players) and cheering for Juve. Quite complex huh? :respect:
Hey, Giorgos is a PAOK ultra (you can tell it by looking at his avatar) whose favorite players are Kaka, MVB, etc (all of them are or were Milan players) and cheering for Juve. Quite complex huh? :respect:
:grinser:
Giorgos is indeed such a guy with the exception that he wasn't cheering for Juve but he said it in a sarcastic way :
Forza Juve, the team which takes the championships with the well known way is back........ Vecchia Signora.... well done Tony!!
Do you finally get what he wanted to say ? Let me translate it for you in case you still didn't get it :
" "Forza Juve" , the team that takes the championships by cheating is back to it's old ways. "
:)
Forza Giorgos
P.S : Of course, because of this scandalous statement of yours, we'll make it 10 beers instead of 5.
Oh boy, i can't wait to go to your town Giorgos. The way you started, you'll owe me a whole beer factory until November :zany:
Kaka--7thUCL
26-08-2007, 01:06
I think juve is going to win seria a, just to give the media etc a nice kick for last years relegation etc, even though they don't quite have the squad, they have BUFFON, I'm telling you that guy could bring any team to win anything honestly.. he's stellar.. Amazing.. never gona be another goalie llike him, Juve-seria a title, Milan-UCL, Inter-Nothing, Milan-Coppa italia :D
slicknick
26-08-2007, 03:46
wait until milan destroys genoa 10-0..
Uh - uh ... Not happening, pal..Sorry!!!
Todays reports suggest Liverpool are going to go for Carlos Eduardo, talk about robbing all our players.
Since when has Eduardo been a Milan player? :confused: Apart from a throw away comment from Pato, there's not been much talk about him.
He was mentioned before Pato said anything, oh well.
ACMILAN1983
26-08-2007, 07:08
If Milan genuinely want Eduardo, I honestly doubt we'd have much trouble from Liverpool (with all due respect to them), simply because Milan for him would be a far more appealing club to join.
Maltese Charlie
26-08-2007, 10:32
Look what we have from the most reliable paper of the whole universe!!!!
I'm refering as you all know to
The spanish paper AS(s) :grinser:
As: Ronaldinho al Chelsea e Dani Alves al Barcellona
13:40 del 26 agosto
Il quotidiano spagnolo As fa trapelare una clamorosa indiscrezione, il Chelsea di Abramovic sarebbe vicino all'ingaggio dell'asso brasiliano Ronaldinho. Il Barcellona investirebbe i soldi di questa operazione per ingaggiare il laterale Dani Alves, in rotta di collisione con il Siviglia. Il Chelsea avrebbe offerto 70 milioni per il fantasista, il Barça dovrebbe spenderne 40 per convincere il presidente andaluso Del Nido. Secondo As il passaggio al Chelsea sarebbe fattibile, anche perchè Ronaldinho sarebbe ancora amareggiato per le critiche ricevute dalla stampa e dai tifosi lo scorso anno
Kaka--7thUCL
26-08-2007, 11:26
LOL! wow. That's the most bs article i've heard since who knows when. And I have 1 word for our defense today against genoa.. AMAZING!
Off topic
I'm watching Barcelona. Still early, 30th minute and nothing particular happened (Santander hit the post but Barcelona has 70% possession).
I just thought you might be interested in Barcelona's starting XI.
This is how it looks on the field :
.................Valdes
Zambrotta-Thuram-Oleguer-Abidal
................Toure
......... Xavi - Iniesta
Messi....................Ronaldinho
...............Eto'o
Henry and Deco are on the bench and so is Marquez (i'm surprised Oleguer started in front of him.) Milito is probably injured and he's not even on the bench.
Zambrotta and Abidal are very active in attack.
rosoneri_11
26-08-2007, 12:46
Off topic
Zambrotta and Abidal are very active in attack.
I think Barca has the best back's from every team !Great duo!
zlatanov
26-08-2007, 12:53
who cares about shots on goal and hitting posts ... poinless possession is so much more important.
at HT it's still 0-0 ... someone should tell Racing that it's not Levante but Dinho, Etoo and Messi they are playing against :D
who cares about shots on goal and hitting posts ... poinless possession is so much more important.
at HT it's still 0-0 ... someone should tell Racing that it's not Levante but Dinho, Etoo and Messi they are playing against :D
This is a perfect proof how meaningless possession may be.
Barcelona has 74% possession at HT. This is the first time i'm seeing such number at HT.
But they had only one single chance in the entire 1st half and it came in 43rd minute when Xavi's shot was cleared from the line.
74% poss. and only 1 chance :rolleyes:
hany.Egypt
26-08-2007, 12:59
hounestly I hate Barca and i wish Racing can beat them , though I know its almost impossaible
Kaka--7thUCL
26-08-2007, 13:01
I only like barca because of my favourite player (ronaldinho) but I hate the actual club, I hate real madrid and inter too, newais, off topic. Milan will win seria a before the jan transfer window ;)
hany.Egypt
26-08-2007, 13:09
Ronaldinho is one of my favourite players many the 4th favourite after Paolo, Kaka and Pirlo but even him couldn't make me support his team
Hasan Rossonero
26-08-2007, 13:10
KAKA': "If I think about..."
8/26/2007
MILANO - Kakà to the Il Giornale: "We're discussing the renewal: neither I nor Milan are in a hurry. If I think about when I arrived, five years ago, it seems like a century has passed. I changed everything: trainings, country football, diet, tactic. And at Milan I met people like Maldini and Costacurt who transmitted to me the Milan mentality."
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acmilan.com
Kaka--7thUCL
26-08-2007, 13:20
Again though, we do need a striker.. Today none of our forwards scored, kaka 2 and ambro 1, our best bet atm is to take adriano,
Ronaldo---Adriano
-------K22-------
It may be hard since we're getting him from inter, but I doubt if we offer the money they want for him they'd reject..?Anyways, another off-topic, inter is falling apart ;)
slicknick
26-08-2007, 13:53
Milan will win seria a before the jan transfer window ;)
Way too early to make such predictions... Trust me, I'm glad we are off to a good start but it doesn't mean more than a "morale booster" for the remainder of Serie A, the Super Cup game this coming Friday, and the UCL for the moment being
unless you play in a sh!t league, no one ever wins by christmas ... plus seeing how well Ronaldo & Adriano performed as a strike partnership at the world cup, i wouldn't really be too enthusiastic about getting him.
Hasan Rossonero
26-08-2007, 17:33
Again though, we do need a striker.. Today none of our forwards scored, kaka 2 and ambro 1, our best bet atm is to take adriano,
Ronaldo---Adriano
-------K22-------
It may be hard since we're getting him from inter, but I doubt if we offer the money they want for him they'd reject..?Anyways, another off-topic, inter is falling apart ;)
:p1510:
acmilan.com:
Attaccanti: Inzaghi, Gilardino, Kaka, Ronaldo.
According to Calciomercato, Inter have signed Pele :rolleyes:
They payed 2m euro to Vitoria Guimaraes for the midfielder Vítor Hugo Gomes Paços 'Pelé'.
It is also reported that they will sign Thiago Motta from Barcelona in next few days, more precisely, on August 29.
The deal should be done, according to Barcelona based newspaper "El Mundo Deportivo" , during the trofeo Gamper, where Inter will face Barcelona this Wednesday.
Circa 5m euro is Motta's price.
http://www.juventuz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22611 :D
I especially enjoyed post #17
My guys are crazy. Just watch how big this thread will become in a week. All you need to do is to mention Inter to Juve fans and you get a legendary topic.
Tony...what's your username on that forum :uhm:
Kaka--7thUCL
26-08-2007, 22:18
Hassan, thanks for proving me wrong but I thought kaka was a CAM not a forward..?
I PITTY US FOR NOT GETTING OUR HANDS ON NANI , wonder goal vs tottenham! He's manu's best player right now probly! And slicknick, it's not to early to make that prediction when you have the current milan squad at disposal.
Also, off topic, but nice to see juve off to a good start, I liked juve when i was a small kid because my dad is a juve fan, I still have a slight respect for them, but i took my own way and support milan now :5ok: , still, again nice to see them back in seria a, be a whole lot more exciting now :sweeteye:
Hasan Rossonero
26-08-2007, 22:29
Hassan, thanks for proving me wrong but I thought kaka was a CAM not a forward..?
I PITTY US FOR NOT GETTING OUR HANDS ON NANI , wonder goal vs tottenham! He's manu's best player right now probly! And slicknick, it's not to early to make that prediction when you have the current milan squad at disposal.
Also, off topic, but nice to see juve off to a good start, I liked juve when i was a small kid because my dad is a juve fan, I still have a slight respect for them, but i took my own way and support milan now :5ok: , still, again nice to see them back in seria a, be a whole lot more exciting now :sweeteye:
I'm not trying to prove you wrong buddy, but the noise coming out of the Milan camp is that Kaka is pretty much a forward now.
Kaka--7thUCL
26-08-2007, 23:35
Lol, didn't mean it that way, meant thanks for correcting me, and yeah, agreed.
But man, todays game , super dida.. Let's hope he plays like that all year round.
I PITTY US FOR NOT GETTING OUR HANDS ON NANI , wonder goal vs tottenham! He's manu's best player right now probly!
He was playing like crap for the past few matches and 1 good goal doesn't suddenly make him the best player.......
I'm not trying to prove you wrong buddy, but the noise coming out of the Milan camp is that Kaka is pretty much a forward now. actually in 2004 Kaka was listed as a striker by acmilan.com....but we know better ;) the kid is the best CAM in the world atm and there's no denying of that......I wonder when the words "surplus" would be bandied about in barca :D
slicknick
27-08-2007, 04:18
And slicknick, it's not to early to make that prediction when you have the current milan squad at disposal.
I see your point, brother, but if the squad meant everything, last minute injuries and other various problems can always change the course of the season... I really hope it doesn't happen but as I said before, it's too early for such predictions... Not saying this to be a smart ass, I hope you know what I mean.
Cheers,
Nick
I PITTY US FOR NOT GETTING OUR HANDS ON NANI , wonder goal vs tottenham! He's manu's best player right now probly! And slicknick, it's not to early to make that prediction when you have the current milan squad at disposal.
Just 1 shot and he became the big player? :grinser: I'd rather pick Berbatov in that match. By the way, Nani's price>=Pato's. Many one praise MU for getting Tevez, Nani, Anderson <young, high price...>. And I'm happy that we have Gilardino, not Tevez :5ok:
The goal took a deflection, and the defending n keeper were muck. good hit, but a top kpr + def wouldn't have conceded it.
Hassan, thanks for proving me wrong but I thought kaka was a CAM not a forward..?
What they list him as is not really important. I seen the CB Darmian listed as a midfielder in the primavera and Cosner who players right defense when I saw him last is listed as an attacker...
I PITTY US FOR NOT GETTING OUR HANDS ON NANI , wonder goal vs tottenham! He's manu's best player right now probly!
Apart from that goal he have been pretty average and wasted qutie a few chances for ManU this fa in the season. Clearly the goal was very important for ManU who this time was quite lucky after not having been in luck for some games.
As for that game I would instead mention Berbatov, what a quality player.
Also, off topic, but nice to see juve off to a good start,
You dissappoint me greatly. Personally I hope Juve crash and burn all the time and them losing points is sweet sweet music to my ears as it should be to any upstanding Milan fan.
rosoneri_11
27-08-2007, 09:08
It would be great if we sign Adriano!
Remember the Adriano-Gila duo at Parma! Maybe that connection will finaly make them what we are waiting from them so many years.
Wasnt it adriano and mutu, with Gila bangin em in after they both left.
Today's transfer news :
1. Now, after "AS", even "Daily Mail" reports that Abramovich had 2 meetings with Dinho's agent (his brother) and that he'll do everything to bring Dinho to Chelsea.
But like in all the previous cases this summer, Barcelona's Berguiristain dismissed the possibility Dinho to leave.
He said "We have no intentions to sell Ronaldinho, he is our player and he'll stay here fo r sure. It's normal that the other big clubs are interested in a champion like Dinho, but he has a contract with us that must be respected "
2. Lazio-Carrizo drama still isn't over. Carrizo still can't get his EU-passport and if he won't get it until August 31, then Lazio will be forced to loan him to some other Italian team.
3. Only this morning Ronaldinho officially became an EU player (Not few days ago as it was reported earlier). For the next match against Athletic Bilbao he won't be taking one of the non-EU spots anymore.
Tomorrow Giovani Dos Santos will also get his EU passport and only Toure and Eto'o will be left as non-EU.
4. Adriano refused to be loaned out from Inter (Moratti was trying to convince him to accept the loan deal with Parma) . He wants to stay with Inter and if it's not possible then he wants to be sold.
5. Barcelona officials say that they aren't interested in Daniel Alves and that there is no chance Barcelona to buy him. It's club's tradition not to buy in the last week of the summer market.
As for Alves, he rejected to travel with his team to Athens for the return leg vs AEK.
6. Berbatov confirmed that he's staying with Tottenham this season.
Ronaldo Adriano?? :wth: :wth: they'd have less chemistry than a
Dr Evil-Boy George Duet :eekani: ....or did you not see WC 06 :dontkn: ? Ronaldo did give Adriano an Assist though... :o
Kaka--7thUCL
27-08-2007, 10:14
It would be great if we sign Adriano!
Remember the Adriano-Gila duo at Parma! Maybe that connection will finaly make them what we are waiting from them so many years.
I doubt we can/will as he's coming from inter, but heres an article saying his agent is trying to get him out of there in the next 48 hours..
http://goal.com/en/articolo.aspx?contenutoid=395299
And nani-- I say he's a great player, considering his youth, which he is, and not by that one shot, but by more then 1 defining characteristic of a great player, he has ball control, some what skill,he's pretty fast, and he has a good shot, those kind of players are always succesful in EPL (or most of them*sheva*) anyways, back to adriano, our attack would be awesome with him, tbh, I think gila is getting used to playing at san siro, he saw quite a bit of action vs genoa, even if he couldn't finish so if ronaldo were to ever be injured.. Gila-Adriano would still be an awesome attack. :5ok:
No point of talking about Adriano and Milan as it is not possible. He'll end up in England , most likely Man City... remember, you heard it here first! :grinser:
Warro Bantan
27-08-2007, 11:56
The more I think on this Adriano issue, the more I think that this was the player Carlo was talking about when he said that it would be a "world shattering" revelation....:dontkn:
Warro Bantan
27-08-2007, 12:12
...Only this morning Ronaldinho officially became an EU player (Not few days ago as it was reported earlier). For the next match against Athletic Bilbao he won't be taking one of the non-EU spots anymore.
Tomorrow Giovani Dos Santos will also get his EU passport and only Toure and Eto'o will be left as non-EU..Still enuf time to sign him Galliani!! :5ok:
Kaka--7thUCL
27-08-2007, 12:57
Yep.. I know r10 will come eventually, and when he does all I'm going to say is inter,roma,fiorentina,lazio,palermo, don't bother :D
Yip I'm getting the feeling :D
I'm quite sure Seedorf is like Bye Bye :kap: #10 shirt :(
:rotfl:
As for that game I would instead mention Berbatov, what a quality player.
A player that was linked with us 2 seasons ago. :bri:
Parma Eye Inzaghi After Adriano Failure
Parma president Gabriele Zamagna has insisted that the club were never after Adriano, and suggested that a move for Simone Inzaghi might be on.
"Parma were never interested in Adriano," Zamagna told Tuttomercatoweb.it.
"It wasn’t a realistic move from either side."
On the possibility of signing Simone Inzaghi, he said: "Aything can happen in the summer market.
"We met a few times to discuss Inzaghi, but no deal was completed because we never found the right terms."
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The heading got me scared for a bit
The heading got me scared for a bit
Why ? You were scared because there is a realistic possibility Pippo to ask Galliani and Berlu to let him go to Parma where he can win every single trophy and where he will earn a lot more than he's getting now ?
Or you were scared because Milan has so many strikers that you'd be forced to sell one of them ?
:grinser:
Edit: Between you and me....i also tought the article is about Pippo when i read the headline :devf:
rossoner03
27-08-2007, 14:00
we must beat sevilla easy as they play against aek on tuesday and they'll be fatigue.FORZA MILAN!!!!!......rumours said that r10 will be presented to milan on 30 august...it is true?
rumours said that r10 will be presented to milan on 30 august...it is true?
It's true, i think
30 August, 2013
:zany:
zlatanov
27-08-2007, 14:07
we must beat sevilla easy as they play against aek on tuesday and they'll be fatigue.FORZA MILAN!!!!!......rumours said that r10 will be presented to milan on 30 august...it is true?
of course it is ... I can even give you the exact time of the presentation - 25.15pm CET.
:D
Edit: Between you and me....i also tought the article is about Pippo when i read the headline :devf:
no worries, unless someone here is a mind-reader, that would be just between you and Medelin :D
Hasan Rossonero
27-08-2007, 14:18
we must beat sevilla easy as they play against aek on tuesday and they'll be fatigue.FORZA MILAN!!!!!......rumours said that r10 will be presented to milan on 30 august...it is true?
Actually I am sitting with Ronaldinho right now, and we're working on his presentation speech.
It's true, i think
30 August, 2013
:zany:
he'll be our sheva... what sheva was to chelsea that is :d55:
In interview with Sky, Galliani said that Milan were close to signing Thirry Henry. He says that Milan were willing to pay the money to Arsenal and that Henry was willing to play for Milan.
But the wages were a big problem. Because of the taxes, Henry will earn 50% more neto with Barcelona than he would have earned at Milan and that's why he finally accepted Barcelona's offer.
Galliani also spoke about Adriano and he said : "Yes, he'd be a dream signing but today it's impossible a grand-champion from Inter to join Milan or viceversa. We really like Adriano and i also talked to president Berlusconi about bringing him here. But like i said, it's impossible. Inter won't sell to Milan and Milan won't sell to Inter. that's how things stand at the moment.
Adriano is Inter's player and we'll leave it like that. We won't "touch" Inter players but we expect the other side to leave our players in peace"
Kaka--7thUCL
27-08-2007, 14:52
The only problem with buying adriano is inter wont sell to US.
Here's an older article I found where adriano admits his "admiration" for milan.
http://goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=343979
So obviously, he would perfectly accept a move here, and #2, they want to sell him, but they wont sell him to us, thats evil imo, a player wants to come, he has the choice to leave, but not to the team he wants to..
thats evil imo, a player wants to come, he has the choice to leave, but not to the team he wants to..
Yeah, i agree with you. But then, think of it this way :
Lets say that Milan is selling Kaka and Kaka says that he wants to be sold to Inter.
Would you blame Berlusconi if he won't sell Kaka to Inter ?
Adriano is really young. He is 25.
If Inter sell him now (to Manchester City or some other team outside Italy) there is a big chance that Adriano will disappoint. He'll be changing leagues, he's far from perfect with his physical and psychological condition right now. He's fat.
The team that will buy him will expect a lot from Adriano since the beggining but Adriano won't be able to perform like his employers expect him to.
It's logical that Manchester City (or some other team) won't be patient with Adriano and they will want to sell him.
This is where Milan gets in the picture. Adriano will be very cheap and Milanlab and the Brazilian base in Milano will help Adriano get to perfect condition.
Inter won't be able to interfere anymore and stop the transfer.
It could happen, i really think so.
Yup, the inter-england-milan switch could be done.
About Ronaldinho, i dont think it's wise for milan to buy him (there is no chance to buy him this year and its stupid^3 to even talk about getting him). Too much money for just one player, and i really dont like his personality. To top it all, he is not enough good-looking to wear milan jersey...
sheva-gila
27-08-2007, 15:24
To top it all, he is not enough good-looking to wear milan jersey...
ahaaha ur great mate!!!
Kaka--7thUCL
27-08-2007, 15:43
Yeah, i agree with you. But then, think of it this way :
Lets say that Milan is selling Kaka and Kaka says that he wants to be sold to Inter.
Would you blame Berlusconi if he won't sell Kaka to Inter ?
Adriano is really young. He is 25.
If Inter sell him now (to Manchester City or some other team outside Italy) there is a big chance that Adriano will disappoint. He'll be changing leagues, he's far from perfect with his physical and psychological condition right now. He's fat.
The team that will buy him will expect a lot from Adriano since the beggining but Adriano won't be able to perform like his employers expect him to.
It's logical that Manchester City (or some other team) won't be patient with Adriano and they will want to sell him.
This is where Milan gets in the picture. Adriano will be very cheap and Milanlab and the Brazilian base in Milano will help Adriano get to perfect condition.
Inter won't be able to interfere anymore and stop the transfer.
It could happen, i really think so.
Awesome post, but I don't think Adriano will come to milan cheap -- if we ever want him from inter, knowing them they'd probably bump up the price like 10m. :grinser: what's all the new chit-chat about r10 ;O
what's all the new chit-chat about r10 ;O
just that, idle chit-chat.
Kaka--7thUCL
27-08-2007, 15:53
:P, seeing as r10's my favorite player I get hyped about such things, next time i wana see article after article before i get all excited :(
Hello, i know i am out of topic but yesterday i hadn't got computer because my screen wasn't opening. My technical came today and it was not finally the screen, so he took it. I am in with an old "Toshiba" of an aful processor and my old slow internet connection, So everything are too slow :mad: :mad: .
We were good yesteday at winning Genoa? :5ok:
Kaka--7thUCL
27-08-2007, 17:34
Yes, we did. In case you didn't watch it, here ya go.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=7iolMIdxZmI
hitmannq8
27-08-2007, 18:50
Suazo's transfer and our pull-out was too unusual for it to be an ordinary thing. When I thought about it back then, Milan could have put Inter into alot of trouble for illegaly tapping up Suazo and all that but Milan decided to back out and say "fine Suazo you can join Inter". Back then, I thought Milan did that as a favour to Inter hoping that sometime in the end of the summer they will remind Inter of this favour and ask to get Adriano. Now it is looking more likely. I think Milan actually just went for Suazo knowing that they would eventually lose him to Inter but it would be in a way as if Milan were generous to Inter.
Kaka--7thUCL
27-08-2007, 19:12
I know, as far as the media could release, it seems as a favor we did for them, they'd better hand over Adriano >.<
Can you honestly blame Inter for not giving Adriano or any other Inter player to us? We have basically screwed them over every single player we took off them from Seedorf to Pirlo.
To top it all off it must hurt like a mother "£$%^* to see your worst enemy ever lift the most prestigious trophy in Europe 6 times after the last time they won it. Bloody hell im sure even Giorgio Muggiani remembers the last time they had Euro glory.
Kaka--7thUCL
27-08-2007, 19:33
LMAO. I know, but honestly, it's what rivalry is all about, one team is always better and knows how to do anything , in this case its Milan seeing inter is the complete opposite. :grinser:
Cane1972
27-08-2007, 20:34
Here is the thing I think January is when we will get Ronadlinho. Barcelona do not want to face Ronaldinho in the champions league this year so they will want to use him in their champions league games till January. By January Henry will have been with the team long enough to have the chemistry going. Or even if chemistry is a problem and they are not doing well in the Spanish League then they may sell Ronaldinho in January.
I think the things to watch for are his contract negotiations or lack of and whether or not Barcelona is playing very well offensively to deal with the cost of having four very well paid offensive stars.
Kaka--7thUCL
27-08-2007, 21:25
Doubt it, even if he doesn't play the entire UCL, I'm 98% he'd rather play 2-3 UCL games then come to milan and play none, but then again, if he has a poor season he could concentrate on league matches instead and have a good rest and the next year go back totally rejuvenated and show the world what he can do ;) only this time in red and black :5ok:
We don't need R10.he is going to cost us 60mil. we can renew our whole defence line with that money, I think it's a priority right now.Besides,if pato play to its potential,Buying r10 could be more of a huge waste.
Suazo's transfer and our pull-out was too unusual for it to be an ordinary thing. When I thought about it back then, Milan could have put Inter into alot of trouble for illegaly tapping up Suazo and all that but Milan decided to back out and say "fine Suazo you can join Inter". Back then, I thought Milan did that as a favour to Inter hoping that sometime in the end of the summer they will remind Inter of this favour and ask to get Adriano. Now it is looking more likely. I think Milan actually just went for Suazo knowing that they would eventually lose him to Inter but it would be in a way as if Milan were generous to Inter.
Actually I was thinking along the same lines when the Suazo incident happened. I dont think we could have gotten Inter in too much legal trouble per se, but we could certainly have made it very very difficult for them to get Suazo as we already had an agreement with Cagliari. I too thought that some "favour" would have been promised in exchange for us stepping aside. Wondering now whether that "favour" was Inter pulling out of the Pato race...
Kaka--7thUCL
28-08-2007, 00:19
r10 being a waste is like saying gilardino isn't, only in vice versa, but yeh anyways, r10 at any cost would never be a waste, well, yeah I suppose you could say if pato lives up to expectations he wouldn't be worth the 60mill -- but even so, I think it's well worth it! And I don't think inter pulled out of pato race, pretty sure we beat them :D
Yeah, i agree with you. But then, think of it this way :
Lets say that Milan is selling Kaka and Kaka says that he wants to be sold to Inter.
Would you blame Berlusconi if he won't sell Kaka to Inter ?
Adriano is really young. He is 25.
If Inter sell him now (to Manchester City or some other team outside Italy) there is a big chance that Adriano will disappoint. He'll be changing leagues, he's far from perfect with his physical and psychological condition right now. He's fat.
The team that will buy him will expect a lot from Adriano since the beggining but Adriano won't be able to perform like his employers expect him to.
It's logical that Manchester City (or some other team) won't be patient with Adriano and they will want to sell him.
This is where Milan gets in the picture. Adriano will be very cheap and Milanlab and the Brazilian base in Milano will help Adriano get to perfect condition.
Inter won't be able to interfere anymore and stop the transfer.
It could happen, i really think so.
You never hear of the latest trick by Moratti? after we got ronaldo and he was doing well with us, Moratti say that any player they sell after that will have a clause that prevent them from being sold to Milan down the road. :devf:
I got to declare first that I'm no anti-R10 .R10 is true superb.What I'm against is the amount of cash we are throwing in.And it reminds me a bit of the bigstar strategy Realmadrid takes . Look at the amount they spend to rebuild these two years.It's obviously exceed the players true value.No mention the chaos rebuilding cause.I think the whole thing is a management failure.
With 60mil, I'd rather go for Pepe and ribery(although their value is overhyped,since their current club in urgent need). these two will cover M3 and seedorf(31 already).offer instant help,and provides us lineup backbones in next 8 years.I don't mention these two names in particular,just showcase an idea.
If we don't have ricky,I will raise my both hands even if we had to dish out 70mil.
Gazzetta is reporting that Abramovic offered 75 mln to Barca for Ronaldinho
http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Estero/Primo_Piano/2007/08_Agosto/28/ronaldinho.shtml
If someone is wiling to translate the whole thing I would appreciate it.
Anyway, it would be simply horrible to see Ronaldinho move to such a small club like Chelsea, I would like it more if he stayed in Barca untill the end. Like him or not, he is already a legend of some kind and if he moves he should only move to a great club like Liverpool, United, and the greatest - Milan.
Im sure that Galliani would take Adriano any day, but Im also sure that Moratti will not sell him to Milan for any money. Im also sure that Adriano would be back to his old ways in Milan very soon as he is a brilliant player. Just remember what he was doing 2 or 3 years ago, kicking ass thats what!!!!
My only regret, about a player we could have for sure, is Criscito. That is exactly a player we could use this year and in the future. A young and extrmly prospective CD and a LB. He wouldnt be a starter, but Maldini is off next year and things would open up from him. Sorry to see him at Juve. I dont care about Nocerino.
zlatanov
28-08-2007, 06:55
Gazzetta is reporting that Abramovic offered 75 mln to Barca for Ronaldinho
http://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Estero/Primo_Piano/2007/08_Agosto/28/ronaldinho.shtml
If someone is wiling to translate the whole thing I would appreciate it.
Basically saying that Abramovich is reportedly willing to invest 100 mil BP (~150 mil euros) in Dinho - 50 mil would go to Barca, while the other 50 mil to Dinho for a a 5 year deal worth 10 milBP/year - after he had two encouraging meetings with Dinho's brother/agent.
Chelsea repprtedly believe that Barca will be tempted to sell Dinho now and it won't take paying his buy-out clause to get him as that clause is there to be applied if another Spanish team wants him (to avoid another Figo debacle).
According to Daily Mail, there is an intention inside Barca one of the Fantastic 4 to be sold and given that Messi is untouchable, henry just arrived at Barca, and Etoo is Laporta's favourite, the one to be sacrificed would have to be Dinho.
Kenyon is expected to make an official offer when he and Laporta go to a UEFA meeting in Monaco, presumably this week, while the mercato is still open.
Anyway, it would be simply horrible to see Ronaldinho move to such a small club like Chelsea, I would like it more if he stayed in Barca untill the end. Like him or not, he is already a legend of some kind and if he moves he should only move to a great club like Liverpool, United, and the greatest - Milan.
Dinho in england will be a disaster with a capital D, especially in a disfunctional from a tactical and technical point of view club like Chelski ... best choice for him would be a team where he can express himself and doesn't have to play LB in Mourinho's "special" tactics.
I personally couldn't care less if he moves to CHelski as that would do good to Milan in two ways - will not improve Chelski (unless they change Mourinho with a more progressively thinking coach) in any way and will weaken Barca (maybe, 'cuase who knows what Dos Santos and Krkic will do once given more space)
I had started to warm up to the idea of Silvio splashing a lavish 50-60 mil (100 with salary over 5 years) - mostly because I didn't have a choice really :D - but if we'll have to take part in an auction organized by that sleazy Little-Richard-wanna-be (Dinho's brother) and end up having to dish out 150+ mil for one player, thanks but no thanks.
Im sure that Galliani would take Adriano any day, but Im also sure that Moratti will not sell him to Milan for any money. Im also sure that Adriano would be back to his old ways in Milan very soon as he is a brilliant player. Just remember what he was doing 2 or 3 years ago, kicking ass thats what!!!!
not sure what's this hype about Adriano - the guy is so one-dimensional that it squeezes my head just thinking about it. He would be fine against smaller clubs with crappy defenses where his bullish style might have it's way but vs the good clubs, where the best defenders play, those guys will eat all those 100 kgs of his in one sitting by merely staying on his left and preventing him from doing the one thing he knows in football - shoot with his left leg as soon as he gets the ball :rolleyes:
Personally, I am very happy that he plays for Inter so that Milan don't have a chance in hell of getting him :D
My only regret, about a player we could have for sure, is Criscito. That is exactly a player we could use this year and in the future. A young and extrmly prospective CD and a LB. He wouldnt be a starter, but Maldini is off next year and things would open up from him. Sorry to see him at Juve. I dont care about Nocerino.
I have big doubts as to whether Criscito will ever be the type of player he is foreseen to become one day - 15 mil for just a talanted player who in prospect might turn out to be something special but might also not, was always going to be a stumbling block for Milan ... and if I am not msitaken, Juve owned half of him from the start and they only had to buy out his other half from genoa, so not much for Milan to do there.
if you want a young defender who IMO is already one of the best in Italy, could only get better, and who knows, may well already be better than Criscito will ever be, I'd look at Zapata from Udinese and no further ... even now he would be cheaper (10-12 mil) than Criscito was before he had played 1 single game in Serie A.
Warro Bantan
28-08-2007, 07:34
Abramovitch is starting to remind me or Moratti...its like they sit in their office/yacht/helicopter/jet and say: "Hmmmm...who does Milan want to add to their team...? Ah, Ronaldinho...lets make a bid for him then..he must be good if Milan want him".
That being said, R10 is a world class talent, and who wouldnt want him for their team? I think though, that were R10 to leave, as Berlu states, we should be in pole position for him, and I continue to believe that we will get him, if/when he leaves Barca, which, based on the talent they seem capable of unearthing, should be sooner rather than later.
In truth, I do agree with Zlat, in that if R10 were to leave for Chelski, then he will suffer, not only from the greater level of physicallity in the EPL, but also from Jose´s predeliction for only playing "his" way...and putting R10 everywhere but where he is most effective, ie supporting the striker(s).
There is no hiding it though, if he does in deed go to Chelski, then it would be a severe blow to Berlu, Milan, and Italy....but who knows, maybe it would cause the FIGC and the Italian Govt to re-examine how they treat with player wages/taxes....what? Eh? Oh. :rollani:
I simply can't imagine Ronaldinho in the blue jersey. I can imagine Chelsea buying him, but i just can't imagine him wearing their jersey.
Maybe it's because of all those photoshoped pictures you guys made where Dinho wears red&black, so i can now only imagine him going to Milan if he leaves Barca :)
@Mrki :
Criscito is a leftover from Moggi's genous and his highly suspicious actings in the market, where GEA was also involved.
If you remember, some 2-3 years ago, there was an accusation that Juve and Milan "own" half of serie A teams.
This was one of the ways how to own another serie A team.
Juve owned or co-owned some 20% of all the young players in serie A and B and then we loaned them to the Sienas, Empolis, Udineses, Genoas and the likes. And when 4 or 5 of your players play in Siena, it's suspicious by default when you see how easily Juve beats Siena. People were looking at the refs when instead they should have looked at these things.
Criscito, together with Chiellini and Nocerino from the current team, are such leftovers from Moggi's time. He bought them and then co-owned them. Hundreds of them would have been total flops, but some of them were making it.
Like Zlat told you, not only that Criscito is a risk and he may never be great or even good enough, but he was already co-owned by Juve and Genoa.
Still, Juve payed 7.5m euro for half of Criscito (5m+2 players). Milan were in hard position to get him.
But still, if someone remembers, back in January Galliani was interested in Criscito and there were reports that Criscito wouldn't have objected to play for Milan. I remember because when i told you this, Zlat replied with : "This is the first time i hear about Criscito, but it's always nice to hear that Juve youngsters want to play for Milan".
Right after Juve found out about Milan's interest in Genoa's half of the player, Juve payed unbelievable 7.5m euro for the other half of an unproven, 19yo defender.
Right after Juve found out about Milan's interest in Genoa's half of the player, Juve payed unbelievable 7.5m euro for the other half of an unproven, 19yo defender.
Good to hear rivals are so scared of Milan buying the next big thing. Chelsea and inter are 2 bitches that just always go after the same player that Milan want so juve want to join them now. :grinser:
Good to hear rivals are so scared of Milan buying the next big thing. Chelsea and inter are 2 bitches that just always go after the same player that Milan want so juve want to join them now. :grinser:
Could be, but i really doubt Chelsea are after Ronaldinho because Milan are interested in him.
And we are all wrong if we think that Juve or Milan, even Inter, are going after some players only because their rivals were after him.
In Juventuz.com there are tons of accusations at Milan or Inter because of similar things. In the papers there is some rumor that Juve are interested in some player and then after few days another rumor will come out about Milan or Inter being interested in the same player.
Go try and explain to the guys in Juventuz that it's not true that Milan and Inter are going after that player only because of Juve's interest.
You guys here are doing the same thing and i wouldn't be surprised if members of forza-inter are doing the same.
Yes, sometimes Milan will be the first ones to spot a player, sometimes Inter , sometimes Juve. But if that player is good then the other scouts will see that and all 3 teams will go after this player.
In Criscito's case.... i believe Juve were the ones who spotted him first and only then Milan went after him ;)
zlatanov
28-08-2007, 09:37
Good to hear rivals are so scared of Milan buying the next big thing. Chelsea and inter are 2 bitches that just always go after the same player that Milan want so juve want to join them now. :grinser:
I have no doubt that Inter probbaly have a whole office of emloyees whose only job is to track down transfer rumours associated with Milan so that Inter's "brain department" consisting of Moratti and Branca can figure out their transfer targets for next season :D
As for Juve, this is a club being run is a completely different way than Inter - with thought and actual strategy for the future - and not counting the Moggi years of dubious game-deciding "incidents", I actually have respect for them :)
Regarding Chelski, I doubt they chase Milan players ... they are more like super-star collectors, who would go after every hyped and over-hyped player out there, which in itself makes it inevitable that their interests cross with Milan's once in a while for this and that player (kaka, Pato, Sheva, Nesta etc) ... this interest of theirs in Dinho, is no different, IMO - just a last gasp attaempt by free-spending Roman to give some esthetic appeal to his team after they continue to be hands down the most boring team in the CL, despite JM's pledge that they will start playing beautiful football from now on.
Little off topic, but since i already started talking about it :
Look at these 8 players from Empoli :
Sebastian Giovinco - on loan from JUVENTUS
Claudio Marchisio - on loan from JUVENTUS
Felice Piccolo - co-owned with JUVENTUS
Rey Volpato - co-owned with JUVENTUS
Lino Marzoratti - co-owned with MILAN
Ignazio Abate - co-owned with MILAN
Luca Antonini - co-owned with MILAN
Nicola Pozzi - co-owned with MILAN
And then we object when someone says that Juve and Milan "own" half of serie A teams :)
MiamiMilanista
28-08-2007, 09:52
I have a feeling something is going to happen over the next two days....if you look at it, the transfer market will be closing for Milan in about 48 hours, i wouldn't think we would make a move the day of the Super Cup (I could be wrong).
We made a lot of money from the Champions' League this year, there has to be something big brewing... If not, that's a big disappointment to the 40,000+ season ticket holders that the team has been plastering on the website every week....
_MaJi_tz
28-08-2007, 10:22
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