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Russo-Neri

28-08-2007, 11:47

Little off topic, but since i already started talking about it :

Look at these 8 players from Empoli :
Sebastian Giovinco - on loan from JUVENTUS
Claudio Marchisio - on loan from JUVENTUS
Felice Piccolo - co-owned with JUVENTUS
Rey Volpato - co-owned with JUVENTUS
Lino Marzoratti - co-owned with MILAN
Ignazio Abate - co-owned with MILAN
Luca Antonini - co-owned with MILAN
Nicola Pozzi - co-owned with MILAN

And then we object when someone says that Juve and Milan "own" half of serie A teams :)

Conflict of interest. I know this is a shocking statement, but the FIGC (or UEFA in general) should really put an end to loaning and co-ownership. At the very least loaning should cease between Serie A teams and between serie B teams. The situation is too open to corruption. A young player owned by Milan could be loaned out to a team like Torino. The player explodes and becomes the hottest name in football. Milan eventually plays Torino and the player is in the awkward position of potentially hurting his own boss by playing his best.

The concept of loaning was always strange to me because I'm from the US and our sports teams NEVER "loan" players. Certain sports have lower leagues where young prospects are placed to get experience (NBDL for Basketball, AHL for Hockey, various Minor Leagues for baseball). But you'll never see the NY Yankees sending a player out to the Boston Redsox. You'd never see a LA Laker player being loaned out to the Chicago Bulls. Something about it is just wrong. Where do loyalties lie?

Russo-Neri

28-08-2007, 11:50

Antonio Puerta Pérez (November 23, 1984 - August 28, 2007)

That is so sad. I just saw the footage of him collapsing on the field last night. That was really scary, and to hear that he passed away today is just painful. My prayers go out to his family...

Jim_UK

28-08-2007, 12:03

There's nothing wrong with loaning players to other clubs, the majority of times there is a clause in the loan agreement that stops the player playing against the club that owns him.

mrki

28-08-2007, 12:04

I remember that when Fiorentina wanted to take some of the players that were "co-owned" by Juve; like Chiellini, Miccoli and some more, I cant remember, that a "blind offers" were made. And Juve won them all with just tipping the Fiorentina offers, hm...

Same thing goes to Milan. Only officially these players are co-woned, but when Milan or Juve ask for them, they will be in here in few days believe me.

i hope those things will dissapear in time as it was really sad to watch games like Siena-Juve or last season Reggina-Milan.

Tony29.

28-08-2007, 12:15

There's nothing wrong with loaning players to other clubs, the majority of times there is a clause in the loan agreement that stops the player playing against the club that owns him.
But even if there are such clauses, in some cases it makes no difference.
If all those players from Juve who were loaned to Siena weren't allowed to play vs Juve , then Siena would have found themselves with half their team missing (and most of them were Siena's best players) and they'd have lost anyway.

It's really strange and suspicious when some team loans 4 or more of it's players to a certain team.

Jim_UK

28-08-2007, 12:26

But that's Siena's problem, not Juve's. If Siena are foolish enough to get alot of loaned players from one club then they are taking the risk of losing all those players when they play Juventus.

Tony29.

28-08-2007, 12:39

But that's Siena's problem, not Juve's. If Siena are foolish enough to get alot of loaned players from one club then they are taking the risk of losing all those players when they play Juventus.
I agree Jim, but you're forgetting one very important thing : Unlike in EPL, 95% of the money go to 4-5 teams in Italy.
Siena is in no position, economically, to buy 11 solid players that will secure their serie A status. If they don't take players on loan and if they must buy all their players then they will find themselves with a bunch of below-average players that will surely take them to serie B.
As for why were they foolish enough to loan so many players from one team, in this case Juve...... it's because Juve owned so many players and only Juve and Milan were in position to loan players and still be competitive. The others didn't have players to loan. Wanted or not, smaller teams were forced to do business with Juve or Milan. That's why there were accusations that we own most of the smaller teams.

Edit: And now, when we look at Empoli's roster we must ask ourselves : Did Calciopoli change anything ?

Kaka--7thUCL

28-08-2007, 13:24

http://goal.com/en/articolo.aspx?contenutoid=396617

150mill.. Isn't that less than what we are offering? And if ronaldinho were to ever leave barca its only to milan, and if Ronaldinho went up for sale Chelski would be stupid to compete with milan for him, it's obvious we'd get him first in means of cash and ronaldinho actually wanting to come.. Milan is so smart if next year they buy all the AMAZING players that teams payed bucket loads of money for after a poor season and who want out and then we make them into amazing again :D for example, let's say robben,ronaldinho,tevez, then we can work something out like we did with ronaldo and bring them back:D

zlatanov

28-08-2007, 13:34

Kaka--7thUCL

28-08-2007, 13:35

gah. >:( But milan would always offer more if he went up for sale..i think

Giorgos

28-08-2007, 13:37

The super cup will probably postponed because of Puerta since the game between AEK f...ing Athens will be held on Monday the 3rd of September....

Kaka--7thUCL

28-08-2007, 13:39

ugh..postponing our victory. Terrible though that puerta died :(

zlatanov

28-08-2007, 13:41

The super cup will probably postponed because of Puerta since the game between AEK f...ing Athens will be held on Monday the 3rd of September....
it's been decided already - the supercup game will be played as scheduled, this Friday.
Only the AEK game was postponed for Monday.

gah. >:( But milan would always offer more if he went up for sale..i think
in a perfect world where moneys grow on trees, I am sure they would have done so ;)

Jim_UK

28-08-2007, 13:43

Jim_UK

28-08-2007, 13:46

Not to sound heartless, but there's already a thread about the Super Cup and another one about Puerta. We don't really need it to take over every thread.

zlatanov

28-08-2007, 13:54

Tony, i take your points but there is always the possibility of getting in loaned players from abroad. There is no reason to be completely insular and only look in Italy for loaned players. Lots of clubs worldwide go through the same problems Empoli does and they survive, there are always alternatives. So for me, personally, i stick by my stance that if they look to so few clubs for so many players, they have to be accepting of the circumstances when they come to face those particular clubs.

I also think Chelsea would offer more money for Ronaldinho than we would if it came down to a bidding competition. But it doesn't matter as he's not going to move there just like Adriano isn't going to move to Man City.
not many players would leave for another championship to go on loan to ... Empoli ... if its a full-ownership move, the chances go up but not a loan move unless they are really desperate.
and for most of those who would agree to a loan move (mostly African and SA players as they would be more likely to be lured by the financial conditions), there is the non-EU limit problem.

Also, just like in Italy, in the other big(-ger) European championships you would again have a similar situation where the biggest clubs have the most players to loan out but those clybs would rather keep those players within the same championship so that they get used playing in the league, not somewhere else, with the perspective of those players coming back one day.
And all in all, when a club gets a player on loan, they prefer local players who are familiar with the mentality and mechanics of that particular championship - not many foreigners come on loan to Spanish, Italian, German or clubs from any of the more significant championships in Europe.

As for those "many clubs" you mentioned, they are indeed in the same boat problem-wise and survival-wise - they either get players from their youth teams or fill up their squads from the big-fish clubs of that league ... its same story everywhere, as the law is the same - law of the jungle ;)

Jim_UK

28-08-2007, 14:00

zlatanov

28-08-2007, 14:15

Of course there are players who would accept a loan move to Empoli. If not then anything lower than mid-table teams in the highest division would be screwed. We know that's not the case as there are loan moves all over the place in all divisions. Of course it would be a little more difficult to find these players, but they'd be there, Empoli scouts would just need to look harder.

I'm sorry Zlat i found your last post really confusing, i'm not sure if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me :confused:
disagreeing, obviously ... how on earth could you think that I'd ever agree with you, on anything :rolleyes:

:grinser:

My main point was that teams that would be able to have enough players to loan out - smaller teams would not be able to sustain a base of players large enough so that they have "extra" for loaning out to other teams - would prefer to send those players on loan to a club from the same championship.

At the same time, clubs that take players on loan, would prefer local players as they know the championship well and carry the "local" mentality too ... getting a foreigner involves a certain period of "acclimatization" - language barrier, different culture, different everything - and by the time the player gets used to his new environment, the loan period is over ;)

To see what I am trying to say is just ask yourself how often do you see an EPL, La Liga, Serie A, Bundesliga or whatever club take on loan players from other championships ... not very often, right ... and in the few cases it happens, it involves special circumstances - like Baptista to Arsenal in exchange for Reyes to Real M, or a beyond-his-best former star player, who a team like Empoli can afford only on loan (Guardiola to Brescia) and in that case it was actually Barca who were trying to get rid of him anyway they could.

zlatanov

28-08-2007, 14:31

regarding Adriano, it looks like Inter tried to pass him to Arsenal but Wenger didn't need a player with his characteristics i.e. 1-D target shooting ;)

The Frenchman just went up a notch in my book - now he's at notch 1 :D

link:
http://www.calciomercato.com/index.php?c=23&a=52671

Tony29.

28-08-2007, 14:40

Yes, and we must have in mind the quality of the players and behind the scene games.
Now Empoli has 4 Italian u21 NT players : Giovinco, Marchisio, Pozzi and Marzoratti.
Usually these kind of quality young players are either owned by teams that need them or are owned by the bigger teams that don't need them. In order to get such quality Empoli's only chance is to loan them from some big team.
Like Zlat said, Empoli will find it hard, almost impossible to loan them from Manchester, Liverpool, Real, Bayern or Barcelona so if they want them they must take them on loan from Milan, Juve or Inter.

And have in mind this : It's Italy: Specific way of thinking.
Before the season starts Empoli makes their plan and predictions. They hope to get at least 3 points from Siena, 3 points from Genoa, at least 3 point from Napoli, one point from Lazio..... and in their plans they don't count on any points from Milan or Juve.
They think - chances are we'll leave empty-handed from these matches, so since this way or the other we'll probably lose, why not at least take something.
The bigger teams think : We don't need Giovinco, Pozzi, Marzoratti. Empoli needs them. Why not give them to Empoli in return of sure 6 points without sweating at all to get them.

Kaka--7thUCL

28-08-2007, 14:49

I really want Adriano, don't know about you guys, but when Ronaldinho arrives think about it..

Kaka,ronaldo,adriano,ronaldinho, top 4 brazilians..

Hasan Rossonero

28-08-2007, 14:56

I really want Adriano, don't know about you guys, but when Ronaldinho arrives think about it..

Kaka,ronaldo,adriano,ronaldinho, top 4 brazilians..

:p1510:

Let me guess, you're the glass is half-full kind of guy.

hwmook

28-08-2007, 15:02

Could be, but i really doubt Chelsea are after Ronaldinho because Milan are interested in him.

dude, not about ronaldinho but kaka. Chelsea tried to jump in and hijack milan deal with kaka with a big offer which kaka turn down. No way were they interested before that but the first thing they do is trying to hijack milan. And chelsea with Pato? You sure they have scouts looking at Pato before milan show interest? Not that they need any scouts anyway.

Milanfan_101

28-08-2007, 15:12

Adriano would look good with us but what do you think the chances are of him comming here, slim, none??

Russo-Neri

28-08-2007, 15:15

what do you think the chances are of him comming here, slim, none??

I'd say somewhere in between Slim and None

Aficio

28-08-2007, 15:49

I've heard that Benfica want Soldano for 15M Euro and Liverpool want another RM Player, our target JB for 20M (4,5M of that goes to Sevilla due to their contract).

If that's true, maybe our buying is end here, I only think of JB and Adriano as good addition for us.

slicknick

28-08-2007, 16:51

We don't need R10.he is going to cost us 60mil. we can renew our whole defence line with that money, I think it's a priority right now.Besides,if pato play to its potential,Buying r10 could be more of a huge waste.

I agree with every word of what you had to say...Though part of me would like to see him in Milan as well... Regardless, I do not think he is a priority for Milan and the administration is probably aware of that, although he is like Berlu's wet dream...

Anyway, we'll see what goes down in the future

sheva-gila

28-08-2007, 17:12

I had allweys trust on berlusconi and galliani but if R10 gous to chelsea than I will never trust them annymore

Ghost

28-08-2007, 17:31

regarding Adriano, it looks like Inter tried to pass him to Arsenal but Wenger didn't need a player with his characteristics i.e. 1-D target shooting ;)

The Frenchman just went up a notch in my book - now he's at notch 1 :D

He should be at the highest notch possible for discovering a Milan legend like Weah :5ok:

zlatanov

28-08-2007, 17:48

He should be at the highest notch possible for discovering a Milan legend like Weah :5ok:
I was just kidding :)

btw, the press is full of rumours from Sky Sport that Mijatovic has offered a free loan of JB but Galliani has said no:
http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/index.php?action=read&id=73306

keep in mind, however, that sky has been wrong before

and another rumour reportedly circulating around Milano - Inter and Milan are thinking about a Gila-Adriano swap. Adriano, who has been tempted by what his Brazilian coleagues had had to say about Milan, is refusing to go on loan in the EPL and wants only Milan if he was to leave Inter:

http://www.tuttomercatoweb.com/index.php?action=read&id=73309

other rumours about Adriano, however, are sending him on loan to Lazio should they qualify for CL, they did, and coach Dellio Rossi seems open to such a transfer so it may be more than just a rumour:

from Gazzetta:
Calcio: Delio Rossi ringrazia la squadra e apre ad Adriano
Indice Ultim'ora

BUCAREST - E' felice il tecnico della Lazio, Delio Rossi, dopo la qualificazione della sua squadra alla fase a gironi della Champions League. "Lo sapevo di avere un gruppo fantastico - ha detto ai microfoni Rai - Abbiamo avuto diversi infortuni e poi abbiamo subito anche un gol nel primo tempo. Ma questi ragazzi hanno carattere". Rossi ha poi parlato del possibile arrivo dell'attaccante dell'Inter, Adriano, in quest'ultima fase del mercato. "E' un giocatore importante, magari venisse. Ma se viene deve venire con lo spirito giusto". (Agr)

go figure which one is true :D

Warro Bantan

28-08-2007, 17:55

The plot thickens Zlat....I doubt we would loan out Gila though...in all honesty, we payed waaay too much for him, to make a move like that, especially for a one dimensional player like Adriano...in any case, I would be 10000% against that move...

And I also disbelieve that Galliani would turn down a free loan offer from Madrid for JB, unless he caught something in the fine print about Kaka going in the other direction....

Anyhoo....with the transfer window rapidly closing, expect the rumor mills to go into overdrive! :rollani:

Kaka--7thUCL

28-08-2007, 21:25

Gila for Adriano? That's like getting Adriano free imo :) , gila is one of 2 who I want out of milan, the second being brocchi (not a fan of him), and replace them with people like Diarra,Adriano,R10.. Think about that ;) Newais, as far as our transfer market goes, I'll give our best bet, which is giving the full 48 hours into assuring a move for adriano or ronaldinho to milan, why couldnt we just offer 200mill for r10 :p017:

hany.Egypt

28-08-2007, 21:54

sorry for off topic but does any one see this?http://www.milanmania.com/forums/showthread.php?p=451475#post451475

Tony29.

28-08-2007, 22:00

sorry for off topic but does any one see this?http://www.milanmania.com/forums/showthread.php?p=451475#post451475

Let me introduce you to ...........SPAM !!!! :grinser:

Hehe, it's spamming my friend. Do not open these threads, or if you open them, do not click on the links.

hany.Egypt

28-08-2007, 22:06

I did not click on the links but I did open the thread of course, is this gona hurt my PC?

Tony29.

28-08-2007, 22:18

I did not click on the links but I did open the thread of course, is this gona hurt my PC?
No, your PC is safe.
Just don't click on the links.

Kaka--7thUCL

28-08-2007, 22:44

i clicked on it out of curiosity, how is that spamming? what happens if u click the thing inside :O

Tony29.

28-08-2007, 22:50

i clicked on it out of curiosity, how is that spamming? what happens if u click the thing inside :O
If you continue to be curious then this will happen :

Kaka--7thUCL

28-08-2007, 23:13

AHAH :P , thanks for the warning.

and any hopes i had of becoming a soccer player are way out the window after watching this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS5tQvQOB-Y&mode=related&search=
Ronaldinho is worth every penny we offer and more! You can say i'm fooled by a few fancy tricks but to begin with that wasn't a few and he actually does that in game situation, has some ronaldo in it but the ronaldinho is probly bst freestyle vid of him..

milan aspettami..

mzk57

28-08-2007, 23:14

The top 3 penelty takers in Europe are
1-Lampard
2-Kaka
3-van Persie

Lampard and Kaka in different league of their own :bri: , but this kid van Persie reminds me the POWER of the great Alan Shearer's penelties :) I dislike RVP but he is a Hell of penelty taker. Its almost impossible to save his penelties which mostly end in the top left corner. So no chane of saving them.
But the other day I saw a young 19-20 year old gk saving his penelty :sweeteye: Then I found out that he is the son of Petr Schmicaels. He impressed me alot. He has been a revelation so far at the pathetic team of Man City this season so far :)
This is our last chance of getting some 1 talented for our goal post other wise we see those :stupid: mistakes of that giant :googly: again and agian for 3-4 months atleast and costling us our 6th title in the past 4 years :wallbang:

The bottom line
Since Igor Akinfeev has long term injury :irritate: so Schmicaels for AC Milan and its as simple as that :bri:

Russo-Neri

28-08-2007, 23:22

Watching FSC here in the states. They're talking about Dinho and his potential move to Chelsea. The story goes that Barca need money in order to buy Alves from Sevilla. Recent Barca match had Dinho Etoo and Messi all playing with Henry coming in to sub for Messi - which according to the FSC guys made no sense at all since Messi was playing better than anyone. They claim Messi came out simply because he's youngest and has the least ego - but Barca clearly have a "too many cooks in the kitchen" problem. One of the FSC guys talking is a total Chelsea fan, so this might just be wishful thinking on his part. Either way, Dinho on the move may have a little more bite to it. I'd say the chances of him leaving are around 5%, up from around 2%.

will4li

29-08-2007, 04:21

Originally posted by zlatanov
not sure what's this hype about Adriano - the guy is so one-dimensional that it squeezes my head just thinking about it. He would be fine against smaller clubs with crappy defenses where his bullish style might have it's way but vs the good clubs, where the best defenders play, those guys will eat all those 100 kgs of his in one sitting by merely staying on his left and preventing him from doing the one thing he knows in football - shoot with his left leg as soon as he gets the ball

Personally, I am very happy that he plays for Inter so that Milan don't have a chance in hell of getting him

I remember he was a go-to guy back 2-3years ago when he is on his peak.The only problem is his questionable mentality.Since carlo ancelotti openly speak about willing to take risks on him,I think the guy may really have got something up in his sleeves.

Graeme C

29-08-2007, 04:59

Ghost

29-08-2007, 05:40

chelsea look to offload sheva, i wonder if belusconi has something up his sleeve? As much as im angry that sheva left, i wouldnt mind him comming back.. could we do what Juve did with mutu to get sheva here?

I second that, for people who have more knowledge about the whole Italian football league would pato take up the non eu spot in January? So for example we could sign sheva from now up until January on a loan deal? Or if pato is not ready let him play with the reserves and sheva spend the whole year with us?

..This part of the summer always gets me excited, a bit like a kid whose about to receive candy.

K77SH C

29-08-2007, 06:21

The top 3 penelty takers in Europe are
1-Lampard
2-Kaka
3-van Persie

Lampard isnt as solid as has been with penalties. In fact the last one he took he missed and the same goes for VP. I dont remember Kaka missing.

almilan

29-08-2007, 06:26

Lampard isnt as solid as has been with penalties. In fact the last one he took he missed and the same goes for VP. I dont remember Kaka missing.

Kaka definitely missed one against Palermo last season. Still though he is one of the best penalty takers around!

Aficio

29-08-2007, 06:47

In Goal.com:

Liverpool wants 20Mi Euro for Baptista (4,5M to Sevilla):
http://www.goal.com/de/articolo.aspx?contenutoid=396373

(German version)
A really good offer, hard to turn down.
I really like him, with him, we can rest Kaka for more important matches.

Milan To Make Last-Minute Cannavaro Swoop?
http://www.goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=397518

If that's true, it is still a good news. Next season we must play many matches, we now only have 3 trustworthy centre back: Nesta, Maldini and Kala but they still need to rest and we need to gain point. So Canna come is good, and this news has high possiblity because RM likes to give us the old, worn-out, no needed player.

kris

29-08-2007, 07:20

Why not give them to Empoli in return of sure 6 points without sweating at all to get them.

Usually loaned out players work their ass off trying to defeat and show their worth to their mother club. Loaning out a player or two is far from a certain 6 points.

Jim_UK

29-08-2007, 07:31

I'm so glad the transfer window is nearly over, i don't know how many more ridiculously stupid posts about Ronaldinho & Adriano i can take!

Tony75

29-08-2007, 07:36

Thery won't end when the window closes, as it opens again in January, when they'll surely sign for us.

mrki

29-08-2007, 07:38

Yes, finnally it will be over. Just take Cannavaro and then close the whole thing :grinser:

Jim_UK

29-08-2007, 07:58

well clearly chelsea will sign Ronaldinho and then Barcelona will use the money to snatch Alves .... and then we can sign Zambrotta ... meanwhile Seville will swap Kanoute for Adriano and Chelsea will release Shevchenko to CSKA Moscow taking Akinfeev in the process ... elsewhere Baptista will go to Liverpool or more probably Bolton where they do better pies and finally Cannavaro will pack his bags for good and become a waiter at an Italian restaurant.

In January, due to the terrible form of Adriano, Ronaldinho, Shevchenko and Baptista and due to Akinfeev's meteoric rise ousting Cech from the number 1 spot, Berlusconi will sit down at a big dinner with all these players and buy them all. Additionally Cannavaro will be waiting on the table and Berlusconi will convince him to go back to football.

The End.

MiamiMilanista

29-08-2007, 08:09

If we get Cannavarro and he gets back to top form, get ready for a plethera of clean sheets
Oddo---Nesta---Cannavarro---Maldini

Nasty defense...

Tony29.

29-08-2007, 08:15

Yes, finnally it will be over. Just take Cannavaro and then close the whole thing :grinser:
And Zambrotta :)

Real to sell Cannavaro looks a lot less complicated now than 10 days ago.

10 days ago Calderon's statement that he won't buy any more defenders was still valid. 10 days ago Real had only 3 central defenders, with one of them, Metzelder, being injury prone. 10 days ago Cannavaro was expected to get back to his old form and lead the defence.

But now.... Real bought Drenthe, who even though is listed as a midfielder can very well play as a full back. Now Real bought Heinze, who even though is expected to take the LB position can easily play CD if it's needed. Now Real is close to Danny Alves who can take the RB position which will make Sergio Ramos available to take the CD position and finally, now Cannavaro is in the worst form of his life as he has shown against Sevilla and Hungary.

Real did reject the offers from Juve and Chelsea but it was before they got Drenthe and Heinze.
The only unrealistic thing in Goal.com's article is the price. 7m was what Real payed for Cannavaro (i think they payed even less than 7m).
Now Canna is 34, an year older than last July and he had the worst season in his life, unlike last summer when he was coming after his best career season.

Jim_UK

29-08-2007, 08:20

If we get Cannavarro and he gets back to top form, get ready for a plethera of clean sheets
Oddo---Nesta---Cannavarro---Maldini

Nasty defense...

Why's Maldini playing left-back?

Tony29.

29-08-2007, 08:22

Why's Maldini playing left-back?
Why not :notlist:

On paper, this defense looks scarry.
In reality, Oddo-Nesta-Canna-Maldini is worse than Oddo-Nesta-Kaladze-Jankulovski

mrki

29-08-2007, 08:25

Hah...34 years old...the best in Milan is yet to come :)

About Gila-Adriano swap:

I love Gila and I've been supporting him for the past season in Milan, which have frankly been poor by any Milan standards. But Gila is Italian and is young. In people's minds he is still a big Italian striking hope, a milan future.
But the truth is this - Gila cant do ****!! If he was a croat, a bulgarian, a russian or finish player, he would fly from milanello in a blitz!!!! What can he do?? Can he run? Can he pass? Can he head? He looses every air duel possible, he cant score from 250% chances! He cant play anymore!!! It is as simple as that. Playing for Milan in front of Pirlo, Seedorf, Kaka' you have to score 10-15 goals per season even if you are blind.

Loan Gila out or sell him, im up for loaning option. Let the man play for a saeason somewhere like Fiorentina, Parma, Lazio or whatever...Reggina.

Adriano is in horrible shape, but he plays no worse than Gila. Difference is that Adriano can still pass, shoot and head well. I would change them any moment, but im sure Moratti will not do that, he is too afraid of Milan.

mrki

29-08-2007, 08:27

Why not :notlist:

On paper, this defense looks scarry.
In reality, Oddo-Nesta-Canna-Maldini is worse than Oddo-Nesta-Kaladze-Jankulovski

Oddo-Nesta-Kala-Marek is actually very good. Especially this season I expect form Oddo something extra more than last year. He already showed he is in better shape then last season in Milan.

this is my plan: Oddo-Nesta-Canna-Kaladze

Jim_UK

29-08-2007, 08:38

Osorio - Nesta - Zapata - Zambrotta

Might be better :D

zlatanov

29-08-2007, 08:56

And Zambrotta :)

Real to sell Cannavaro looks a lot less complicated now than 10 days ago.

10 days ago Calderon's statement that he won't buy any more defenders was still valid. 10 days ago Real had only 3 central defenders, with one of them, Metzelder, being injury prone. 10 days ago Cannavaro was expected to get back to his old form and lead the defence.

But now.... Real bought Drenthe, who even though is listed as a midfielder can very well play as a full back. Now Real bought Heinze, who even though is expected to take the LB position can easily play CD if it's needed. Now Real is close to Danny Alves who can take the RB position which will make Sergio Ramos available to take the CD position and finally, now Cannavaro is in the worst form of his life as he has shown against Sevilla and Hungary.

Real did reject the offers from Juve and Chelsea but it was before they got Drenthe and Heinze.
The only unrealistic thing in Goal.com's article is the price. 7m was what Real payed for Cannavaro (i think they payed even less than 7m).
Now Canna is 34, an year older than last July and he had the worst season in his life, unlike last summer when he was coming after his best career season.
good points, Tony :5ok: ... finally :D

regarding canna's price last year, according to media reports right after, and not before, the transfer took place, Real paid Juve 23 mil for Canna+Emerson - 8 for Canna and 15 for Emerson - although some Juve fans prefer to believe that their team got less money from that deal ... go figure :rolleyes: :grinser:

But I agree, that given Canna's age and current form - he's has been nothing short of dreadful at the back lately and quite insecure all of last season with Real - his price must have dropped down to around 4-5 mil.

And, as you mentioned, the arival of Heinze, Drenthe, and possibly Alves - looks set to leave Sevilla with real the only realistic destination for this summer window - Real would get good cover for CD even without Canna, well good enough for a team like Real, at least :)

Why not :notlist:

On paper, this defense looks scarry.
In reality, Oddo-Nesta-Canna-Maldini is worse than Oddo-Nesta-Kaladze-Jankulovski
can't agree here ... it really depends on the tactical goals/set up for the specific game as maldini even now would provide much more solidity that Janku, and still has enough pace for a defensive LB, who will not go forward too often.
Of course he probably won't b able to play LB every 3 days but that's why we have kaladze, Janku, Sergio, Favalli.

If I want canna at Milan, it's because I hope he and nesta will take Maldini's place of being "the teacher" once Paolo retires. And I am sure Canna can get back to his form of a year ago - doubt the reason for his current form is in him, mostly thanks to Real's record of destrying players :D - so, vs. certain teams a defence of 3 solid players at the back with one attacking fullback, would be best IMO, something like when we had Stam here only now it would be:
Oddo/Cafu - Nesta - Canna/Maldini - Kaladze

All in all, with all the unknowns surrounding Maldini, and Kaladze's injury problems over the years, I'd rather have a Canna than a Simic in a season with so many games like this one.

Kaka--7thUCL

29-08-2007, 09:02

Tony29.

29-08-2007, 09:21

good points, Tony :5ok: ... finally :D

regarding canna's price last year, according to media reports right after, and not before, the transfer took place, Real paid Juve 23 mil for Canna+Emerson - 8 for Canna and 15 for Emerson - although some Juve fans prefer to believe that their team got less money from that deal ... go figure :rolleyes: :grinser:

But I agree, that given Canna's age and current form - he's has been nothing short of dreadful at the back lately and quite insecure all of last season with Real - his price must have dropped down to around 4-5 mil.

And, as you mentioned, the arival of Heinze, Drenthe, and possibly Alves - looks set to leave Sevilla with real the only realistic destination for this summer window - Real would get good cover for CD even without Canna, well good enough for a team like Real, at least :)

Do you have any links about this Canna rumor Zlat ?
I'm surprised Calciomercato has nothing about this and they usually have every single information.
And i kinda don't trust Goal.com because they usually write the articles according to their own theories.

P.S : And Mrki's Oddo-Nesta-Canna-Kaladze is good and can work, but the line-up with Maldini as LB is awful.
I know you all love the man but he can't play LB. Even as CD when there's no pace needed as in LB he was destroyed by Suazo and Ibra or any other fast attacker.
Fast right wings will have peace of cake job against Maldini the LB.
Maldini is using his huge quality and accumulated experience to do solid as a CD. But it won't help him on the left side because there he will need super pace and physical condition.

yinkadearemu

29-08-2007, 09:36

Milan To Make Last-Minute Cannavaro Swoop? There are growing rumours in both Italy and Spain, that Azzurri skipper Fabio Cannavaro could be sold to AC Milan before the end of the transfer window closes this Friday.

zlatanov

29-08-2007, 09:39

Do you have any links about this Canna rumor Zlat ?
I'm surprised Calciomercato has nothing about this and they usually have every single information.
And i kinda don't trust Goal.com because they usually write the articles according to their own theories.
no, no links ... and I also don't buy goal.com's scribbling, in fact, I never pay attention to their rumours unless they have appeared somewhere else too.

In this case, I am just going with the discussion and I have been plugging canna for a while here, so ... you get the picture. :grinser:

P.S : And Mrki's Oddo-Nesta-Canna-Kaladze is good and can work, but the line-up with Maldini as LB is awful.
I know you all love the man but he can't play LB. Even as CD when there's no pace needed as in LB he was destroyed by Suazo and Ibra or any other fast attacker.[QUOTE]
yes they did, Tony, but you are forgetting that Maldini was playing with an injury last year and had problems finishing even 1 game for every week or even 10 days.
In that game vs Inter (2-1 for Inter) when maldini and Milan was having a hard time, Milan had just played a 120-min game vs Celtic in CL and Maldini had played for the full 120 min of that game, if memory serves me right.

Basically, vs Inter he shoudln't have played at all but Carlo trusts him more than any other defender
[QUOTE]Fast right wings will have peace of cake job against Maldini the LB.
Maldini is using his huge quality and accumulated experience to do solid as a CD. But it won't help him on the left side because there he will need super pace and physical condition.
not necessarily true - in 2005 Maldini was not much younger or faster than he is now and he made C. Ronaldo look like a fool vs ManU in the CL where at the SS he played at LB (with cafu, Nesta, Stam making up the rest of the defense).

I am giving this example as there are hardly many wingers, if any at all, who are faster and more agile than CR7 (now he seems like a better player but his quickness back than was equally impressive). I am sure however that if we try, we'd come up with many other examples when maldini did very well at LB vs fast players (wingers in general are fast anyway) by using his superior positioning and reading of the game i.e. his experience.

the thing is that Maldini may not be as quick anymore but that's been the case for some time now. What made things worse for him in some games last year when he looked pretty bad for his standards was not so much his age but his injury problems which were on top of everything else.

Jim_UK

29-08-2007, 09:43

Sorry Zlat, there's nothing you can say that makes Maldini a good choice for left-back this season. I agree 100% with Tony.

Sweendogs

29-08-2007, 10:00

really doubt that

Jim_UK

29-08-2007, 10:17

really doubt that

Why's that?

zlatanov

29-08-2007, 10:36

Why's that?
why not? why should he agree with you? :rolleyes:

:grinser:

he wasn't saying that to you Jim, but was referring to a post before yours - another thread about this Canna to Milan rumour was started and I merged it with this one, so the order of the posts was a little mixed up :)

Hasan Rossonero

29-08-2007, 10:46

Zlat...do you think a surprise transfer is in the cards?

zlatanov

29-08-2007, 10:49

Zlat...do you think a surprise transfer is in the cards?
with all the "Our mercato is not just closed but super-closed" talk, I have no choice, Hasan, but be absolutely sure that someone will be jumping out of our cake by the night of 31st. :grinser:

Tony29.

29-08-2007, 11:13

Three days to go so here are todays news, Ladies, Gentlemen, Zlat and Jim :

1. Benfica offers 12m euro to Real for the attacker Soldado

2. Riquelme won't go to Boca. According to some spanish newspaper with unfamiliar name to me, the deal with Atletico Madrid is done. Villareal and Atletico made the deal when Forlan went to Madrid but they still needed Riquelme to agree to this transfer. Now finally it looks like he accepted the offer and he'll join Atletico.

3. Aston Villa have bought Fulham's defender Zat Knight for 5.25m euro

4. West Ham offered 7m euro for Readings Nicky Shorey.

5. Lyon's GD, Bernard Lacombe has said that Mancini (Roma) is happy to join Lyon. Roma are the ones who don't want to let Mancini go.
In the meantime, Mancini's agent, Gilmar Veloz (is this guy the agent of every second football player?) is in Rome negotiating contract extension with Roma

6. West Ham offered 22m euro for Adriano, according to l'Independent. West Ham officials at the moment are in Milano, negotiating the deal.
ManCity, who were also interested in Adriano, have turned their interest to Nicolas Anelka

7. Marcelo, Real Madrid's LB will most probably be loaned to Fluminese in Brazil

8. John Terry is calling Ronaldinho to join him in Chelsea. But Barcelona don't even think about letting Dinho go.

9. It's expected that Thiago Motta will become Inter's player tonight. Inter plays vs Barcelona in trofeo Gamper and the final negotiations have already started. Atletico Madrid and Roma are Inter's greatest rivals for the signature of the Brazilian.
Still, the best financial offers for Motta came from England (Everton, Aston Villa, Tottenham e Manchester City) but Motta refused to play in EPL and it's only La Liga or Serie A for him

10. Lille or Liverpool - that's the unknown question for Julio Baptista after Milan said No to Real

11. According to English Tabloid "The Sun", Shevchenko will be loaned. They say Milan and Dynamo K. are after him, but they forgot Sheva is a non-EU and he can't join Milan.

12. After Juve kept Chiellini and decided not to buy Portuguese young LB Antunes, it is reported that now Roma are after Antunes.
Again Roma..... one Brazilian midfielder, Richarlyson, who was accused that he is gay, today said that he got an offer to join Roma but he rejected the offer.

13. According to Corriere , Boumsong rejected to go to Benfica (lol, he doesn't want to leave Juve) and now it's harder for Juve to get Luizao from Benfica. Corriere journalists think that Juve is still after a CD and they'll make the final sprint to secure one of Luizao or Meira.

Jim_UK

29-08-2007, 11:52

but be absolutely sure that someone will be jumping out of our cake by the night of 31st.

Yeah, most likely Galliani shouting 'Fooled you all!' :D

Kaka--7thUCL

29-08-2007, 11:58

with all the "Our mercato is not just closed but super-closed" talk, I have no choice, Hasan, but be absolutely sure that someone will be jumping out of our cake by the night of 31st. :grinser:

Maybe its r10 :D, with all this talk about chelsea getting him that would be a perfect suprise, and why so suddenly, is chelsea apparently ahead of us for ronaldinho? Okay money, but we could equal up to that 150 or w.e million, and if it's a matter of where dinho wants to be, its with us.

Graeme C

29-08-2007, 11:58

can a player transfer to a team, then transfer to another in the space of a week?

zlatanov

29-08-2007, 12:09

can a player transfer to a team, then transfer to another in the space of a week?
yes, actually Roberto Ayala did just that this summer - he left Valencia and signed with Villarreal but without playing one single game with them, Real Zaragoza paid his buy-out clause from his contract with Villarreal set at 6 mil euros, I think, and he is now a Real Zaragoza player :)

hitmannq8

29-08-2007, 12:45

Hasan Rossonero

29-08-2007, 12:51

Three days to go so here are todays news, Ladies, Gentlemen, Zlat and Jim :

11. According to English Tabloid "The Sun", Shevchenko will be loaned. They say Milan and Dynamo K. are after him, but they forgot Sheva is a non-EU and he can't join Milan.

Is this true also for a loan deal?

Graeme C

29-08-2007, 12:55

zlatanov

29-08-2007, 12:55

Milan were after Baptista for a while and have sent a few offers in for him, but now that Real have offered (reportedly a free loan), Milan have rejected. What has changed since then for us not to need a player in the same position? I say it was a smokescreen all along and we may be in for a BOOM :D. Rumours say Sheva and Adriano both are on the verge of exits. Boy how I wish we can get Sheva back.
good point and another reason why I think it won't be Galliani jumping out of the cake :D

On Baptista, I think the reason for Milan not accepting this reportedly free loan might be in the player's refusal to come to Milan several weeks back during the Moscow tournament.

Back then Bronzetti, who had gone to Moscow to reportedly close the deal for Baptista, said something that made me think that Baptista or his agent had behaved in a way that pissed off Galliani for some reason and now AG doesn't want Baptista as he doesn't see in him a player, who is determined to come to Milan no matter what.

Hasan Rossonero

29-08-2007, 14:13

Sorry to ask again, but is the non-EU rule true for a loan deal as well?

Tony29.

29-08-2007, 14:18

Sorry to ask again, but is the non-EU rule true for a loan deal as well?
I didn't answer you before because i don't know for sure, but i believe loan deals are also included.
In the list of the players you'll give to FIGC you can't include more than one player who is a newcomer and who is a non-eu coming from another league. Since you already have Pato i believe you can't include any more non-EU from outside Italy, no matter if you buy them or loan them.

But i am not sure at all Hasan. Zlat should confirm this for you.

zlatanov

29-08-2007, 14:18

Sorry to ask again, but is the non-EU rule true for a loan deal as well?
yes, it doesn't matter if it is a loan deal or permanent transfer ... what counts is if the player is registered with Milan or not.

Kaka--7thUCL

29-08-2007, 14:26

i just wonder if we could do it with sheva, transfer him to another seria A side, then back to us again. 2 days is cutting it a bit fine, but maybe for jan deadline. loan him to empoli or livorno now and get him back in jan and able to play in the Champ league!!

I'd understand if you had some soft spot for sheva, but why else would someone want him back? The guys 31, your guna loan him to another club let's say for half a year - year, becaue i dont even know if half yr loans are possible, but anyways, he'd be hitting 32 either way, and we'd have him for 1 more year, then we'd have to sell him back to england for 1/4 of the price of what we bought him back for, or fenerbahce who apparently go after such players.

Hasan Rossonero

29-08-2007, 14:56

Thanks guys. So the Sheva rumours seem very silly.l

Graeme C

29-08-2007, 15:00

I'd understand if you had some soft spot for sheva, but why else would someone want him back? The guys 31, your guna loan him to another club let's say for half a year - year, becaue i dont even know if half yr loans are possible, but anyways, he'd be hitting 32 either way, and we'd have him for 1 more year, then we'd have to sell him back to england for 1/4 of the price of what we bought him back for, or fenerbahce who apparently go after such players.

i just think we are going to struggle with inzaghi and ronaldo constantly being injured. gila is alright, but cant take everything on his shoulders. Pato is pretty unproven, and he has to fil the hype. Our 4-5-1 formation is good for champ league, but for seria A we need goal scorers.

On the market ronaldinho is a dream, and other clubs prob wont let anyone decent go. If i had the choice between di natale, adriano and sheva, i would choose sheva every time!

zlatanov

29-08-2007, 15:05

Thanks guys. So the Sheva rumours seem very silly.l
hmmm, maybe ... or maybe there is some hole in the rules that would allow Milan to get another non-EU player if we sell one we already have (like say get Canna and sell Simic).

Or maybe Milan's lawyers are looking for a way to somehow count Sheva for Eu player with him spending 7 years in Italy and maybe even his child has an Italian pass, not sure.

In general, an Italian team can get one non-Eu player/season, not transfer window but season.
However the rules have never been clearly defined and there have been a number of confusing statements, some of them by Galliani himself, who has said on a number of occasions that Kaka's getting an Italian passport and Milan selling RO would allow Milan to go for another non-EU player this year (for now that player is Pato).

These words suggests that there is probably more to the rules for non-Eu players in Italy than we've discussed here ... or maybe Galliani's words were misinterpreted or mistranslated, who knows ... or maybe he isn't clear on this either :D

peters

29-08-2007, 15:17

But I agree, that given Canna's age and current form - he's has been nothing short of dreadful at the back lately and quite insecure all of last season with Real - his price must have dropped down to around 4-5 mil.
I said it brazillion times, Canna cant play proper defending in spain because of the nature of the game there - he would imo still play good in italy. Not that i want him in our shirt, another OLD mercenary on our back. For sure we could get better...

MiamiMilanista

29-08-2007, 15:51

Based on my thought that we won't be signing anyone the day of the Super Cup, we literally have 24 hours left in this transfer market..............

MiamiMilanista

29-08-2007, 15:55

I said it brazillion times, Canna cant play proper defending in spain because of the nature of the game there - he would imo still play good in italy. Not that i want him in our shirt, another OLD mercenary on our back. For sure we could get better...

They said Ronaldo was done as well and he was a major driver to our top 4 finish last year....it's amazing what Milan can do to a player and BTW, he's only about 10-11 months from the top form of his life, wouldnt be a hard thing to bring him back to life

remote2book

29-08-2007, 16:34

in other news inter getting killed by barca 2-0 hahahhahahah

Stitch

29-08-2007, 16:53

let's get adriano and canna, and i'll be so happy :D i wanna be silvio for a day :rolleyes:

Tony29.

29-08-2007, 16:55

in other news inter getting killed by barca 2-0 hahahhahahah
Are you sure it's 2:0 ;)

Aficio

29-08-2007, 16:56

in other news inter getting killed by barca 2-0 hahahhahahah

It's now Barca 3 - 0 Inter :5inter:

hwmook

29-08-2007, 17:22

It's now Barca 3 - 0 Inter :5inter:

you sure its 3:0? :grinser:

peters

29-08-2007, 17:22

iniesta made it 4. Poor inter :D

Aficio

29-08-2007, 17:25

you sure its 3:0? :grinser:

I'm not sure, 'cause now is 4:0 (Livescore) :5inter:

hwmook

29-08-2007, 17:31

iniesta made it 4. Poor inter :D

they just prove that they are crap, its gonna be a long season for inter fans yet again.

remote2book

29-08-2007, 17:34

you sure its 3:0? :grinser:

hahahahha 4-0 omg.....inter suck...

Tony29.

29-08-2007, 17:43

hahahahha 4-0 omg.....inter suck...

Are you sure it's 4:0 ?

:haha:

hwmook

29-08-2007, 17:44

hahahahha 4-0 omg.....inter suck...

Let's not jump the gun, shall we? Its 5-0 now. Inter really sux balls. :devf:

Aficio

29-08-2007, 17:44

Motta!!!!! And now 5:0
Will he play for Inter? :D

Tony29.

29-08-2007, 17:58

Ok people place your bets please, place your bets here :

Inter to buy more than 10 players in next 2 days :
YES - odds 1.10
NO - odds 15.00

zlatanov

29-08-2007, 18:45

Ok people place your bets please, place your bets here :

Inter to buy more than 10 players in next 2 days :
YES - odds 1.10
NO - odds 15.00
and another bet:
Is "forza-inter.com" the most fun place to be at right now?

yes - odds 1.00
no - odds (no bets accepted)

Tony29.

29-08-2007, 18:49

and another bet:
Is "forza-inter.com" the most fun place to be at right now?

yes - odds 1.00
no - odds (no bets accepted)
What are you talking about ? This betting option was blocked the moment this match Barca-Inter was scheduled :grinser:

P.S: The first thing i did after Inter-Barca finished was logging in forza-inter. I started reading from the beginning. I suggest you to do the same thing. It's much more interesting.

Kaka--7thUCL

29-08-2007, 18:55

wow barca killed inter 5-0? holy crap.

will4li

29-08-2007, 21:49

Seems inter put a third team on the field. Anyway,It's always a pleasure to see inter falls no matter what game it is.

remote2book

29-08-2007, 21:51

What are you talking about ? This betting option was blocked the moment this match Barca-Inter was scheduled :grinser:

P.S: The first thing i did after Inter-Barca finished was logging in forza-inter. I started reading from the beginning. I suggest you to do the same thing. It's much more interesting.

hahhahaha u and me the same tony :respect:

Nalx

29-08-2007, 22:57

hahahahha 4-0 omg.....inter suck...

it's not a competitive match. besides a couple of years ago we were thrashed by madrid 0-5 in a friendly match where guti (if i'm not mistaken) scored a hattrick

Mystik

29-08-2007, 23:00

I don't know if this has been posted already but Dinho is now a Spanish citizen. I'd go look back and look for my source but I'm so lazy right now...it was on eurosport.com for sure though.

EDIT: Tony posted this Monday morning...

hwmook

30-08-2007, 00:31

it's not a competitive match. besides a couple of years ago we were thrashed by madrid 0-5 in a friendly match where guti (if i'm not mistaken) scored a hattrick

Its 5-1 not 5-0, 7 years ago while milan just came back in UCL after being out for a few years. Guti score 4 times not 3.

Real madrid at that time was on top of europe while Milan is just another team. We were dump out of UCL just a few months later in the group stage which just show how poor we were at that time. If we use the friendlies as gauge, Inter is looking at an early exit in UCL. :grinser:

PS: Our objective is just to make inter look bad. :zany:

Kaka--7thUCL

30-08-2007, 01:19

forza milan, always good to see inter sucking, and I'm glad a new signing before the 31st looks promising.

Stitch

30-08-2007, 03:19

I went to forza-inter for the first time today, and look what i found

Trophies, accolades, beautiful football...All these things are superficial and if you truly love Inter, you would not care much about them. What's important is the inexplicable passion you have when you watch Inter's matches and to truly support them no matter how tough times are.

:devf: :devf: :grinser:

Aficio

30-08-2007, 05:06

Thank you, guys. I've never thought that visit Inter's forum that fun :grinser: . Ex:

I'm the only football fanatic in my family so I tried to educate my little brother as football fan. (not as Inter fan since you really can't educate anybody to be a supporter of some club, IMO). The following episode happened in the autumn 2002 and we were watching Milan-Madrid with my brother (he was 5 at that time). Somehow my brother begun to like Milan during the game. I became of course desperate and worried as hell and tried everything, even promised to buy him Inter shirt and so on but he rejected. :devf:

And here is the reply:

Make sure your brothers don`t get to watch any Milan games. Also keep on telling them how great a club Inter is. :haha:

Tony75

30-08-2007, 05:27

Its 5-1 not 5-0, 7 years ago while milan just came back in UCL after being out for a few years. Guti score 4 times not 3.

Real madrid at that time was on top of europe while Milan is just another team. We were dump out of UCL just a few months later in the group stage which just show how poor we were at that time. If we use the friendlies as gauge, Inter is looking at an early exit in UCL. :grinser:

PS: Our objective is just to make inter look bad. :zany:
I rememebr that match. Guti did not score 5 or nothing like it. Several youngsters scored for them, and others like Campo scored. very unlucky at start, but typical crap from Zaccerphoni afterwards.
Any inert fan in work posted this result to a load of guys in work to rub it in. I have my revenge on the 14th of May that season, when I posted the result of inert - Milan to the same people. :5ok:
You know the match.

hwmook

30-08-2007, 06:07

I rememebr that match. Guti did not score 5 or nothing like it. Several youngsters scored for them, and others like Campo scored. very unlucky at start, but typical crap from Zaccerphoni afterwards.
Any inert fan in work posted this result to a load of guys in work to rub it in. I have my revenge on the 14th of May that season, when I posted the result of inert - Milan to the same people. :5ok:
You know the match.

errr, obviously we are not talking about the same match.....Guti score 4 out of 5 of their goals, confirmed. i check from other sites.

Ghost

30-08-2007, 06:33

Thank you, guys. I've never thought that visit Inter's forum that fun :grinser: . Ex:

:devf:

And here is the reply:

:haha:

LOL!!

I honestly dont know how people can support a team like Inter they're like savage animals.

Tony75

30-08-2007, 07:11

errr, obviously we are not talking about the same match.....Guti score 4 out of 5 of their goals, confirmed. i check from other sites.
Albert Rivera & Ivan Campo both scored, so i don't think guti did score 4. Either way we were **** then, and know we don't half as many bad players, some bad, but not as bad.

mrki

30-08-2007, 08:17

LISTEN TO THIS:

Carlos Eduardo, a Milan "target" has signed for german second division club Hoffenheim for 8 mln! :sweeteye: http://www.net.hr/sport/ukratko/page/2007/08/30/0451006.html

rossoner03

30-08-2007, 08:17

The last hours of the summer mercato...we have a great time with all the rumours from the world....hope wi'll get one more player before august 31 00.00 gmt

rossoner03

30-08-2007, 08:27

Eto'o for sure will not come to Milan because he had an injury last night( vs Inter 5-0 must say this score...makes me so happy:) ) and he'll be out for about 2 months. As for the group stage we'll have : FC Porto, Steaua Buch, Slavia P (easy way) or Valencia, Schalke, Rangers (hard way)

Tony75

30-08-2007, 08:28

LISTEN TO THIS:

Carlos Eduardo, a Milan "target" has signed for german second division club Hoffenheim for 8 mln! :sweeteye: http://www.net.hr/sport/ukratko/page/2007/08/30/0451006.html
That club actually had a share in the player already, so it wasn't that much of a shock.

ZvonimirVukic

30-08-2007, 08:41

Milan: preso il 16enne Albertazzi

who is this guy...anyone know?
btw it is from www.sports.it

Sweendogs

30-08-2007, 09:24

AC Milan have signed Bologna's 16 year-old defender Michelangelo Albertazzi.
The youngster will spend this season back on-loan with Bologna in the club's primavera setup.

Maltese Charlie

30-08-2007, 09:28

Milan: preso il 16enne Albertazzi

who is this guy...anyone know?
btw it is from www.sports.it

Yes I saw it this morning on La gazzetta dello sport.
A 16 year old defender. He will stay another year with Bologna on loan.

Jim_UK

30-08-2007, 09:46

Have we signed Rosina yet? He had another good game for Torino last night. What's the hold up? :D

Tony29.

30-08-2007, 10:12

News (more will follow later tonight because i expect a lot of activity on the market today)

1. Bernardo Corradi left Manchester City and is now in Italy. Parma and Siena are the candidates to get him (Gazzetta)

2. Yesterday Roma bought the young Portuguese LB Antunes and today they are after the attacker Obinna from Chievo (Corriere)

3. Juve offered a 4 years contract to the Dutch NT player (also member of the u21 winning team this summer) , playmaker Hedwiges Maduro from Ajax. (Tuttosport)

4. Important : Happy 35th birthday Pavel Nedved :D

5. Looks like (according to Sevilla's president) Arouna Kone from PSV will become Sevilla player today or tomorrow.

6. Valencia loaned Del Horno to Bilbao

7. Ex-Valencia and Barca midfielder Gerard eliminated his contract with Monaco. The 28yo was expected to sign with Roma but he will return to Spain instead where he will play with Recreativo Huelva.

8. Real Madrid found the new Robinho ( :haha: ) .
The deal is done and the 15 years old Neymar da Silva Santos will join Real in 2011.

9.Julio Baptista won't leave Real Madrid.

10. Nicolas Anelka renewed his contract with Bolton. The new contract will end in 2011.

11. After Carragher got an injury (when did he ?) Benitez asked Fiorentina for Ujfalusi but the Czech defender rejected Liverpool's offer and he'll stay in Florence.
Liverpool is now trying to get Boumsong :haha:

12. After Boumsong refused to go to Benfica, now the Portuguese team is negotiating with Juve the potential transfer of Legrottagllie.

13. Today there will be a meeting between Shevchenko and Mourinho and it will be decided if he'll stay in Chelsea or be loaned to Dynamo Kyiv.

Jim_UK

30-08-2007, 10:28

7. Ex-Valencia and Barca midfielder Gerard eliminated his contract with Monaco. The 28yo was expected to sign with Roma but he will return to Spain instead where he will play with Recreativo Huelva.

I always liked this player, such a shame injuries stunted his development and hype added extra pressure on him.

11. After Carragher got an injury (when did he ?)

He broke a rib ( and punctured his lung apparently ) against Sunderland last Saturday and the referee refused to let him leave the field :mad:

drucurl

30-08-2007, 10:35

4. Important : Happy 35th birthday Pavel Nedved :D

I heard his family are planning to include his hero, Greg Louganis in a surprise birthday party :5ok: I'm sure Greg would be proud to see his protoge' surpass him in every way :zany: Finally, they will unveil a brand new olympic sized springboard at his pool party so that ALL his Zebra friends could practise :proud:

Tony29.

30-08-2007, 10:52

I heard his family are planning to include his hero, Greg Louganis in a surprise birthday party :5ok: I'm sure Greg would be proud to see his protoge' surpass him in every way :zany: Finally, they will unveil a brand new olympic sized springboard at his pool party so that ALL his Zebra friends could practise :proud:
With Pippo Inzaghi, Kaka and Alberto Gilardino as special guests :D

zlatanov

30-08-2007, 10:57

With Pippo Inzaghi, Kaka and Alberto Gilardino as special guests :D
considering who's the host of the party, they will have to be in the "watch and learn" section of the invited guests :D

8. Real Madrid found the new Robinho ( :haha: ) .
The deal is done and the 15 years old Neymar da Silva Santos will join Real in 2011.

I sure hope he is the new Robinho :D
What would happen to the "original" now ... does that mean he will actually get to start a game now that they have found someone else to fill his spot on the bench?

Tony29.

30-08-2007, 11:07

considering who's the host of the party, they will have to be in the "watch and learn" section of the invited guests :D
I don't think so.
Pippo is the real master in this discipline. He is a Nobel Price winner after all (for pioneering contributions to the theory of spontaneous diving ) . :haha:
Gila will have to learn, i agree. He dives more than anyone else in the world but he's bad at it. But i hear Spielberg will be at the party and after the brilliant diving performance against Celtic last year, i believe SS will find his new acting star.
Kaka is doing a good job and considering his age i expect him to do better and better.

Tony75

30-08-2007, 11:25

I don't think so.
Pippo is the real master in this discipline. He is a Nobel Price winner after all (for pioneering contributions to the theory of spontaneous diving ) . :haha:
Gila will have to learn, i agree. He dives more than anyone else in the world but he's bad at it. But i hear Spielberg will be at the party and after the brilliant diving performance against Celtic last year, i believe SS will find his new acting star.
Kaka is doing a good job and considering his age i expect him to do better and better.
Depends on how many films PAtrick Swayze makes, as then nedved could take all the roles.

thomas_h

30-08-2007, 11:51

any news on Baptista ?

Jim_UK

30-08-2007, 11:53

^ We're not going for him, that's the news.

hany.Egypt

30-08-2007, 11:57

and I have to say its good news

drucurl

30-08-2007, 13:25

Wow Seedorf won best CL mid making my persistence on getting Quaresma look :stupid:

Maltese Charlie

30-08-2007, 13:37

Cannavaro 'Resto al Real, poi chiudo carriera al Napoli'

16:28 del 30 agosto

Fabio Cannavaro non ha intenzione di lasciare il Real Madrid. Lo ha detto lo stesso difensore nel corso di un'intervista radiofonica per un'emittente spagnola, rivelando però la propria volontà di ritornare un giorno a calcare l'erba del San Paolo. "Ho ancora due anni di contratto - ha spiegato - e Madrid è una città che mi piace molto. Quando scadrà il mio contratto chiuderò la mia carriera a Napoli. Capello? Abbiamo parlato prima dell'ultima amichevole della Nazionale. Era tranquillo e abbronzato".

Cannavaro "I will stay with Real, and afterwards I will close my carreer with Napoli."

sorry (calciomercato.com)

slicknick

30-08-2007, 13:37

any news on Baptista ?

Well, check this out, although it doews not guarantee any sort of outcome...

http://goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=399022

Tony29.

30-08-2007, 13:51

Well, check this out, although it doews not guarantee any sort of outcome...

http://goal.com/en/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=399022
These are old(er) news, from today's edition of Corriere dello sport. But later in the day Baptista confirmed that he won't go to Milan and he won't go to Lille, Liverpool or any other team. He said he's definitely staying in Madrid with Real

Tony29.

30-08-2007, 14:01

Today's news (Part II)

1. Eriksson dismissed the rumors that Adriano will sign with ManCity. "We had contacts with Inter about Adriano, but he won't be joining us"

2. Cannavaro "I'm staying with Real and then i'll finish my career with Napoli"

3. Atalanta signed Simone Inzaghi

Tony29.

30-08-2007, 16:22

Argentinian playmaker Juan Roman Riquelme has signed a 2 year deal with Atletico Madrid.
10m euro

Stitch

30-08-2007, 16:42

I read yesterday that Atletico couldn't buy Riquelme because they already have filled their non-eu players quota?

Tony29.

30-08-2007, 20:09

This is from yesterday but i don't think anyone mentioned it :

According to Italian media, Palermo striker Amauri's agents and AC Milan's executives will soon meet to talk about a possible transfer of the Brazilian player in January

http://www.transfermarketweb.com/?action=read&idsel=3072

Tony29.

30-08-2007, 20:38

Sorry for all the double posts i make in this topic lately, but it looks like me and Charlie are the only ones who write about the transfers :)

These are today's official transfers (at least the more interesting ones)

1. Everton took back Gravesen from Celtic. Loan deal

2. Sevilla signed Arouna Kone from PSV (12M EURO)

3. PSV invested the money immediately and they signed striker Koevermans from AZ Alkmaar

4. Galatasaray signed Shabani Nonda from Roma (1.3m euro)

5. Lille signed Patrick Kluivert (free transfer)

6. Recreativo Huelva signed Gerard from Monaco

Looks like Riquelme still didn't sign with Atletico and it was a false info i read earlier today.

Warro Bantan

30-08-2007, 22:11

I have a solid feeling that Milan´s market is really and truly over...so I dont expect any surprises tomorrow.

Regardless, I think we have enough depth to do the quintuple this year.....:diablo:

Edit: As mentioned in the R10 transfer thread....with Etoo´s injury, I doubt Barca would sell him to any club at this point.

remote2book

31-08-2007, 04:43

idk if this has been posted already but we signed another defender from serei B side...bologna...any1 anything abt this young man? his name is Michelangelo Albertazzi........wow first we sign a 17 yo (pato) now a 16 yo (galliani must have his teeth just grinding when doing these deals one hand he has a 30+ YO and other a young man but just to save his life he signs the young one :stupid: ) good thing we r going for young men here..

http://www.goal.com/en-us/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=399447

K77SH C

31-08-2007, 06:46

Graeme C

31-08-2007, 06:59

Jim_UK

31-08-2007, 07:04

Alves aside, i don't think there will be any big moves today ... hopefully it won't be that boring though.

zlatanov

31-08-2007, 07:08

It's JB-to-Milan day :)

More on the story - links and all - later in the day when the deal is done :D

Graeme C

31-08-2007, 07:12

my moneys on cannavaro

hany.Egypt

31-08-2007, 07:16

my money is on noone

King tiger

31-08-2007, 07:19

i have no money :(

zlatanov

31-08-2007, 07:25

i have no money :(
but you have rep points, don't ya? On MM that's as good as any currency out there :D

Jim_UK

31-08-2007, 07:29

i'd love to put my money on Rosina, Zambrotta & Zapata ... but i don't have money to throw away :D

I'll put a £1 on us signing nobody!

MiamiMilanista

31-08-2007, 08:39

It's JB-to-Milan day :)

More on the story - links and all - later in the day when the deal is done :D

Agreed. I think Baptista comes today....Madrid is reportedly going to offload a couple to get Alves.

The more i think about it, i think Baptista would be a great pickup

There is a story that Dida is hurt, this true???

Graeme C

31-08-2007, 09:09

i'd love to put my money on Rosina, Zambrotta & Zapata ... but i don't have money to throw away :D

I'll put a £1 on us signing nobody!

£1 and a non Avocado sandwich?

slicknick

31-08-2007, 09:13

but you have rep points, don't ya? On MM that's as good as any currency out there :D

I second that... We give him more rep points and he uses his cunning ability and persuasiveness to lure some players to Milan :5ok:

Tony29.

31-08-2007, 09:15

Alvaro Recoba will play for Torino this year.- OFFICIAL (loan deal)

Chelsea, on their official site, dismissed the rumors that they were after Dinho and they say they never made an offer for him. They also say that there is not a chance Chelsea to try to buy Dinho in January because players like Dinho don't make transfer moves in January

Quaresma, Alves, Riquelme - these are the star players expected to make a transfer today

Mancini says there is a big chance Adriano to be left out from the CL list

Diego Milito signed a new contract with Zaragoza

MiamiMilanista

31-08-2007, 09:15

What time does the market close today? I live on the east coast in the U.S. so can someone provide in ET?? Thanks!!

Tony29.

31-08-2007, 09:18

What time does the market close today? I live on the east coast in the U.S. so can someone provide in ET?? Thanks!!
00:00 CET , it means 18:00 your time

MiamiMilanista

31-08-2007, 09:31

00:00 CET , it means 18:00 your time

Thanks Man, i'll make sure to wait till 6 to head to south beach tonight! :p017:

zlatanov

31-08-2007, 09:35

00:00 CET , it means 18:00 your time
what tony said but doesn't the market in italy close earlier than that - 19.00CET i.e 13.00pm EST?

I am sure that in Spain the transfer market closes at 00.00 CEt, which is the UEFA-set deadline for all transfer moves this summer but the FIGC has often had a different deadline - usually 19.00 Italian Time - and that's the one that matters for Italian teams as if they can't register a player with the FIGC, that player cannot be registered in the UEFA CL/Cup either.

I am positive that was the case with the FIGC deadline for the winter trsnfer window but not sure if they've kept this difference in deadlines for this summer too or not.

P.S. I think the different deadline for Italy I mentioned above is enforced only for transfers of players from one Italian team to another Italian team ... while if an Italian team transfers a player from a foreign league, I think the deadline is still 00.00 CET, not 100% sure about this though

Tony29.

31-08-2007, 09:39

what tony said but doesn't the market in italy close earlier than that - 19.00CET i.e 13.00pm EST?

I am sure that in Spain the transfer market closes at 00.00 CEt, which is the UEFA-set deadline for all transfer moves this summer but the FIGC has often had a different deadline - usually 19.00 Italian Time - and that's the one that matters for Italian teams as if they can't register a player with the FIGC, that player cannot be registered in the UEFA CL/Cup either.
I don't know Zlat.
I am sure i waited until midnight in previous years and there was one occasion when a transfer in serie A was made official some 20 minutes after midnight.

It's even better if it closes at 19:00

mrki

31-08-2007, 09:40

Tony29.

31-08-2007, 09:41

My money goes on this statemant: " we have the strongest team in Europe, we are no.1 on UEFa rankings. KAka' will not leave ever and Ronaldo will be at his best again. Pato is the new Kaka', Im bold." :zany:
:haha: , Zlat's idol is so predictable

He's bald, not bold, though

mrki

31-08-2007, 09:42

hahaha, ok, technicality only...

zlatanov

31-08-2007, 09:45

My money goes on this statemant: " we have the strongest team in Europe, we are no.1 on UEFa rankings. KAka' will not leave ever and Ronaldo will be at his best again. Pato is the new Kaka', Im bold." :zany:
smart bet :5ok:
and yes, Tony, he is both bald and bold ... see, it does take a lot of guts to promise a Dinho/Etoo to the fans and buy no one in the end :zany: :devf:

Tony29.

31-08-2007, 09:51

smart bet :5ok:
and yes, Tony, he is both bald and bold ... see, it does take a lot of guts to promise a Dinho/Etoo to the fans and buy no one in the end :zany: :devf:
My mistake, he is bold alright.

Not only Dinho/Eto'o , there is also mr.X who according to Galliani was a player who plays in Spain and who is waiting for his EU-passport....and then Galliani says : Pato was mr.X.
Of course "We won't buy Emerson because we want to give more playing time to Gourcuff" was another bold statement by the baldy.

Galliani for president of Italia :5ok:

Jim_UK

31-08-2007, 09:58

You forgot the Galliani classic that 'Oddo & Ronaldo are like 2 new signings' :D

sveto

31-08-2007, 10:33

http://goal.com/en-us/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=399041
I guess Zlat was right
it is JB day

zlatanov

31-08-2007, 10:37

http://goal.com/en-us/Articolo.aspx?ContenutoId=399041
I guess Zlat was right
it is JB day
unfortunately, that's old news - goal.com is usually late by 1-2 days with the nes and they posted that yesterday,so I am affraid that makes it 2-3 days old news, which had appeared and was rebuffed several times in the Italian press before goal.com posted it :D

peters

31-08-2007, 10:48

zlatanov

31-08-2007, 10:55

is it smart to sign a player that said numerous times he dont want to play for milan? it will be so sad if he comes to milan and says something like - i've always wanted to play for milan, i'm really happy to play in italy, to play with my friends etc etc.
we don't know if he really said that or what he said exactly, or what reasons there might be in the background that may have made him say anything of the kind (provided that he did, that is) ... the meaning of all those words we've read on websites and whatever can be changed dramatically by adding or ommitting one or two words from what JB may have really said.

All in all, we know close to nothing unless someone close tothe matters comes out and clears things out.

I for one would expect that Galliani would not want a player who refuses to come to Milan no matter who he is, so if we do get JB, that should be a sign that the player was not aganist a move to Milan.

Tony29.

31-08-2007, 10:58

“You will see Ronaldo very soon and it will be a surprise for everyone. He looks like a model and will have a great season.”
Carlo Ancelotti reveals Milan have not only put Il Fenomeno on thyroid pills, but also sent him to a dentist and a plastic surgeon

http://www.channel4.com/sport/football_italia/quotes.html

:D

Aficio

31-08-2007, 11:08

Tony29.

31-08-2007, 11:59

Atletico Madrid signed Thiago Motta
http://www.transfermarketweb.com/?action=read&idsel=3248
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/08/31/sports/EU-SPT-SOC-Atletico-Madrid-Motta.php

It's a respectable team Atletico Madrid has, don't you think ? Especially if they add Riquelme.

They have Leo Franco and Abbiati at the goal, Spanish NT Pablo, Antonio Lopez and Pernia for the defense together with Perea and Seitaridis. Simao, Maniche, Thiago Motta, Maxi Rodriguez and Luis Garcia for the midfield and Reyes, Forlan, Mista and Aguero in attack.
Selling Torres may be a blessing in disguise for them

martin

31-08-2007, 12:38

Warro Bantan

31-08-2007, 13:46

So I wonder what he looks now, like Kaka? :D No he looks like dru! :D :5ok:

peters

31-08-2007, 14:18

If i get it right this years summer mercato is already closed for italy?

hitmannq8

31-08-2007, 14:41

Yes, but transfers within Italy can still happen until 23:59 Italy time.

Kaka--7thUCL

31-08-2007, 16:52

Well, signing JB will be perfect end for Milan, and not to mention we just won the european super cup 3-1 :)

Forza Milan, R.I.P Puerta

King tiger

31-08-2007, 17:27

argh, 40 more minutes if im correct?

King tiger

31-08-2007, 17:44

im kinda waiting for " shocking!!!! ronaldinho, baptista, zambrotta, buffon in Milan " headlines :D

ThrusT

31-08-2007, 17:50

im kinda waiting for " shocking!!!! ronaldinho, baptista, zambrotta, buffon in Milan " headlines :D
I'm afraid you'll have to wait till next year this time. :1whis:

King tiger

31-08-2007, 17:58

stil 2 minutes ::D

Tony29.

31-08-2007, 18:07

The guy with the key just passed in front of me.
I think he's going to lock something.

Yup, he just locked the summer mercato gate !

Congrats Milan for signing Dinho, Eto'o, Buffon, Zambrotta
Congrats Juve for signing Cannavaro, Huntelaar, Diego.
:notlist:

Stitch

31-08-2007, 18:57

don't lock this tread, just rename it to winter mercato :)

thomas_h

31-08-2007, 20:32

3 days to Pato

Tony29.

31-08-2007, 21:06

3 days to Pato
Make it 3 days and 4 months :devil:

Kaka--7thUCL

31-08-2007, 23:20

Aw, no JB, oh well.. Good job though, this super cup, we can win it all even without JB (duh)

Maltese Charlie

01-09-2007, 00:27

don't lock this tread, just rename it to winter mercato :)

The market is still open for the disoccupied players. :grinser: :uhm:

ea1899

01-09-2007, 04:01

Now we're gonna see which team have the best summer mercato overall.
However for me Emerson & Pato are good enough , Milan will rocks !!!!!:5ok:

kastriot

01-09-2007, 04:08

I`m not that satisfied with the mercato...however I`m really satisfied with Carlo`s work, the team is playing good(only defense needs more concentration) add to that Ronaldo,Emerson and Pato , I think we are covered for these season.

Maybe we can add smth that we need in January!! Who knows

peters

01-09-2007, 06:46

ThrusT

01-09-2007, 07:27

how can anyone be satisfied with mercato, kings of europe made one signing and it is older mercenary Emerson? Others arent worth mentioning for now (digao, novinic, ba) as for Pato, he is 'winter transfer' after all. Prolific striker, mister x, ronaldinho, anyone that could help - just a load of cr4p talk. Noone can be satisfied with this kind of summer mercato, only tr00 milan blind fans. Milan plays great and is a strong team nontheless, but it was last year at the beginning too.
Actually our team was far from great and strong last year at the beginning.
Luckily we developed along the way.

Now about the mercato, at first I was far from happy with our signings.
But the team looks good, if we buy anyone(except another striker ) it would only bring down the moral of our players now.

Inzaghi seems well, Gila (??) and everyone has high hopes on Ronaldo.
Everyone (except the Interistas) seem to be very positive about Milan, it also seems to me we have gained our respect and honour back after the Calciomercato and all thanks to the Sevilla match that was a true act of class by the squad.

Arildonardo

01-09-2007, 08:25

Ghost

01-09-2007, 09:06

If Gilla turns out to be half the player Pippo is I have no complaints.

Pippo is priceless

martin

01-09-2007, 10:39

If Gilla turns out to be half the player Pippo is I have no complaints.

Pippo is priceless
Personally, i always expected gila to turn into a vieri. players like inzaghi are scarce.

hitmannq8

01-09-2007, 18:33

Adriano has been left out of Inter's CL squad, that means he will not be cup-tied, come January (or maybe if he rescinds his contract before that, which I think will happen). So there still is a chance we can get him, but he will not play for us in CL until January.

hany.Egypt

01-09-2007, 19:19

when will you close this thread?

Iggy

01-09-2007, 19:43

According to reports here in Norway austrian wonderkid Sebastian Prödl, a central defender and one of the best players in the U-20 World Cup in Canada this summer, turned down offers from Milan, Werder Bremen and norwegian club Rosenborg close to the transfer deadline. Any other reports on this?

i had to re-read that myself when i read the news here. I don't remember him being linked with milan.

btw, good to see fellow norwegians here :)

Kaka1899

02-09-2007, 05:47

Are we still able to Register Pato for CL participation in Jan?

Rico

02-09-2007, 05:58

Are we still able to Register Pato for CL participation in Jan?
Good question...! Does anyone know this? :)

Tony29.

02-09-2007, 07:50

Are we still able to Register Pato for CL participation in Jan?
Of course you are. But you still must have 25 players registered and one from the current list will have to go out to leave space for Pato.

Jim_UK

02-09-2007, 08:14

You're allowed to make 3 changes for the January CL list on a 1 in 1 out principal. Unless of course you didn't fill the full 25 man list to start with.

Graeme C

02-09-2007, 09:13

foggia is doing quite well against Juve. i still prefer Oddo though!

slicknick

02-09-2007, 09:58

Of course you are. But you still must have 25 players registered and one from the current list will have to go out to leave space for Pato.

We have 22 registered players atm, meaning we can register 3 more in January ;)

Russo-Neri

02-09-2007, 11:10

The market is still open for the disoccupied players. :grinser: :uhm:

I am now available... :grinser:

slicknick

02-09-2007, 11:20

I am now available... :grinser:

yeah, me too :grinser: :grinser:

Dave

02-09-2007, 14:20

I think it`s time to close this thread!

ACMILAN1983

02-09-2007, 15:39

I didn't want to close what has probably been the most active thread here for months, but now that the summer mercato is over, I figured I may as well rename this to Winter Mercato to discuss the January transfer market

Jim_UK

02-09-2007, 16:06

Did Real Madrid loan out Marcelo in the end?

peters

02-09-2007, 16:39

yup. And sneider looks gold for madrid!

Giorgos

02-09-2007, 16:39

At 79` Villareal-Real Madrid 0-4, Snejder was controlling the game of Real Madrid and he scored 2 goals, a player who i had said that would have been ideal to be a replacement both of Pirlo and Seedorf now 0-5 at 80` .

Stitch

02-09-2007, 17:11

why are not-so-often participants of this thread so worried about it's future????

shut up and go to other threads. This one should be renamed to Winter mercato!

ACMILAN1983

02-09-2007, 17:21

why are not-so-often participants of this thread so worried about it's future????

shut up and go to other threads. This one should be renamed to Winter mercato!

It already was by the time you made that post :confused:

Unless one of the other mods or admins decides to close this thread, I don't see why it should be closed

Jim_UK

02-09-2007, 17:35

so where was he (Marcelo) loaned out to then?

kastriot

02-09-2007, 17:51

Graeme C

02-09-2007, 17:58

yay winter mercato is back :) 4 months to go :)

slicknick

02-09-2007, 23:50

Did Real Madrid loan out Marcelo in the end?

I had wanted him so bad... DANG!!! :(

slicknick

02-09-2007, 23:51

so where was he (Marcelo) loaned out to then?

To his former club, Fluminense...

Tony75

03-09-2007, 03:20

So how long do we have to wait to sign someone then?

thomas_h

03-09-2007, 05:57

is Pato already in MIlan ?

Jim_UK

03-09-2007, 07:51

I would assume so as he's set to play in the friendly against Dynamo Kiev on Thursday. Probably alongside Ronaldo and/or Gilardino, depending on who starts out of the 3 of them.

Vadim

03-09-2007, 11:44

I read that Ancelotti said it will be Ronaldo who starts alongside Pato if he's fit, and Gila will most likely be on international duty for the Azzurri anyway.

Jim_UK

03-09-2007, 12:13

I read something wrong about Gilardino and the national team. It said that Donadoni had called up Foggia & Panucci, then it said Toni: Yes, Gilardino: No. So i took that to mean he wasn't included, but looking back i guess it's just talking about who starts for Italy. Ooops :D

Vadim

03-09-2007, 12:52

Actually, I think you're right, Gila isn't in the squad. So I guess the Ooops is mine :D

Jim_UK

03-09-2007, 14:12

So for the Winter transfer window i think we should sign Rosina, Mutu & Alves :D

Kaka--7thUCL

03-09-2007, 17:42

Lol, for the winter transfer window i think we should sign henry,buffon,alves :)

after 1-1 vs fiorentina, I truely realize, gila is worthless :D

Aficio

04-09-2007, 08:29

Like Adriano, Ballack is now not on the CL list of Chelsea.

So, lets get both in Winter Mercato! :D

drucurl

04-09-2007, 09:10

Gila's pathetic display yesterday (sooo nice to see Seedorf defend him though :sweeteye: ) made me really miss not getting Torres. Torres may well become the missing cog in an otherwise perfectly working machine that is Liverpool. I had big hopes for the kid and I know that his scoring history isn't as impressive as Gila's but Torres seems to me (again a bit premature for me to say it) to be a budding difference maker. Once again he scored while the team was doing well but one simply has to admire his apparently seemless transition to the English game. Torres has in abundance what Milan could definitely do with....PACE!!!.....even the most unimaginative uncreative player is greatly assisted by having natural speed (*cough*cough*Vieri* :D we can see how different we was after he lost his natural pace...i.e just before he joined us :mad: ).

I really hope we get a decent striker in the January window. You guys know how much I dislike Gila but I have really been trying to keep quiet about it. But the facts are we can't keep running poor Pippo into the ground. He guy's 34 he deserves to be better protected :mad:

Torres was an amazing opportunity that we just let slip through our hands :wallbang: I hope we have the good sense to pick up either Quaresma or Nilmar (once said to be the next Ronaldo :confused: ) this summer. Again I really have tried to restrain my -ve comments about Gila.....and I realise that as long as he wears red and black he should have my full support it's just that I never truly saw him as one of us.....the way he plays doesn't help either. I wish the kid well and hope that one day even I could say "Torres/Quaresma?? :confused: who's that??"

Peace

Brasileiro

04-09-2007, 09:58

so where was he (Marcelo) loaned out to then?
Jim, from what I know, Marcelo refuses an loan to Valladolly(sp?), and will stay in Madrid(at least) until january
Poor kid...was becoming a regular in Brazil NT, and now is wasted in a bench in that black role called Madrid. If i´m not wrong, just play 4 games for Madrid since goes to Spain...Another case of a wrong professional choice.

BTW, as brazilian I´m really concerned about Brazil NT future. Our hopes for the weak links in Brazil NT(LB-Marcelo, DM-Lucas) take suspect decisions for their future. Lucas in going to Liverpool full of players in his position, and Marcelo to R. Madrid.

At least Pato(CF situation in Brazil NT is a concern) did a great choice... :5ok:

mrki

04-09-2007, 10:08

Aldough we have an almost perfect team, you can see that we miss a Sheva kind of a striker that can combine well with Kaka' and Seedorf. Gila and Pippo dont influence the game at all. With Pippo its not a problem as he scores tons of goals but Gila is simply useless. We have to be objective and send him for a loan and get us a decent forward that can do gamage or with his speed or with his power.

Jim_UK

04-09-2007, 10:32

I don't think Inzaghi really does score lots of goals, he misses just as many chances as Gilardino, it's just fortunate that he's scored in some really important games.

As for Lucas, i don't think you'll need to worry too much about him Abraão. Yes it'll take him a while but he'll definately get his chances :D

I don't see anything about Torres' game that would make people think he couldn't have been an asset to us. His movement, strength, pace, work rate and passing are all pretty good. Not sure he'll score a huge amount of goals but like Benitez said 'If a striker scores 20 goals a season that's great, but if he scores 15 and makes 10-15 for others then it's better for the team' and you have to say that sums up Torres quite well i think.

Dru, it's a nice dream but Milan won't buy Quaresma. I've long given up that dream!

drucurl

04-09-2007, 10:56

I don't see anything about Torres' game that would make people think he couldn't have been an asset to us. His movement, strength, pace, work rate and passing are all pretty good. Not sure he'll score a huge amount of goals but like Benitez said 'If a striker scores 20 goals a season that's great, but if he scores 15 and makes 10-15 for others then it's better for the team' and you have to say that sums up Torres quite well i think.

Tell that to Zlat and Warro :wallbang: personally I think we can atone for not getting Torres by getting Nilmar in the event that Pato's production falls below expectation and stop chasing windmills/waterfalls like Ronaldinho and Eto'o

slicknick

04-09-2007, 11:12

BTW, as brazilian I´m really concerned about Brazil NT future. Our hopes for the weak links in Brazil NT(LB-Marcelo, DM-Lucas) take suspect decisions for their future. Lucas in going to Liverpool full of players in his position, and Marcelo to R. Madrid.

We should get them both in January, I'm sure they could do wonders for Milan i they are given a chance..Both are young and can play for us forever, as well as giving us the much-needed depth within the squad....In other wods, we CAN make substitutions when some of the first 11 players get tired/injured/have an off-day....

Jim_UK

04-09-2007, 11:16

Is Ronaldinho a windmill because his teeth are like the sails? :D

Unless Lucas has a big change of heart, he won't be leaving Liverpool and Liverpool won't be selling him. Plus with the way Gourcuff is still being shunned, it seems young players still take a back seat to new, older & less inventive players. Good luck to Pato!

peters

04-09-2007, 11:48

drucurl

04-09-2007, 13:32

Torres was way overpriced, simple as that (ronaldinho and etoo are too, but lets leave this one for some other time). Thats why we didnt buy him, we want to sit on our cash and play with free transfers. Still dont know how the Pato deal went through :)
:wth: :wth: let me ask you something...if air was overpriced would you stop breathing? Of course not!! Every team has to splash ever so often on an 'overpriced superstar' not because of the "overpriced" part but because of the "superstar" part :wallbang: i.e. having a difference maker amy cost you now but your investment generally pays off at the end of the season

mrki

04-09-2007, 14:06

I've made a plan for january mercato:

- Sending Gila to Palermo on loan deal
- Buying Zaccardo who will cover Oddo and Marek, as he can play both flanks
- Getting Adriano or Pazzini
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then in the summer:

- we get Nasri
- then we get Barzagli
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And the happy end is here :grinser:

P.S.
Except for Gila who is still in Palermo...

P.S. part II:

If there is someone from Italy I would appreciate if he can print this and deliver the master plan to Barlusconi, thanx :)

Graeme C

04-09-2007, 14:36

i would to see how udinese do so we could make a sneaky bid for Quagliarella this winter.

Jim_UK

04-09-2007, 14:48

a nice idea mrki, except i personally don't think either Zaccardo or Barzagli are much better, if at all, than what we currently have.

Graeme, i don't mind Quagliarella aslong as we don't ask him to do stepovers. He has the slowest stepover i've seen for a long time. I think my 93 year old gran could do them faster than he could!

peters

04-09-2007, 15:55

:wth: :wth: let me ask you something...if air was overpriced would you stop breathing? Of course not!! Every team has to splash ever so often on an 'overpriced superstar' not because of the "overpriced" part but because of the "superstar" part :wallbang: i.e. having a difference maker amy cost you now but your investment generally pays off at the end of the season
It may fail... look @ gilardino :)
I was talking from club's perspective... i would love to splash the cash here and there (we did that with pato) but milan seems to fall for free, not wanted and old(er) players - if it has all 3 its surely ours.

So i mostly agree with you, torres is exception cos he was way overpriced. The only man crazy enough to pay his price would be benitez or real madrid. And i still think he wont do miracles for liverpool, but i may be wrong.

Jim_UK

04-09-2007, 16:04

It may fail... look @ gilardino :)
I was talking from club's perspective... i would love to splash the cash here and there (we did that with pato) but milan seems to fall for free, not wanted and old(er) players - if it has all 3 its surely ours.

So i mostly agree with you, torres is exception cos he was way overpriced. The only man crazy enough to pay his price would be benitez or real madrid. And i still think he wont do miracles for liverpool, but i may be wrong.

Yeah, i think you are wrong.

slicknick

04-09-2007, 16:35

but milan seems to fall for free, not wanted and old(er) players - if it has all 3 its surely ours.

:haha: :moan: Sad but true....

hany.Egypt

04-09-2007, 17:40

guys I have problems with that thread , when ever somebody sends a post to it I receive this post in my mail box , surely I have done something wrong by mistake , but the problem is that I dont know it

Warro Bantan

04-09-2007, 18:19

Tell that to Zlat and Warro :wallbang: personally I think we can atone for not getting Torres by getting Nilmar in the event that Pato's production falls below expectation and stop chasing windmills/waterfalls like Ronaldinho and Eto'o We didnt buy Torres, because we bought Gila...and I still think he will start to deliver the goods...and we didnt spend as much as Liverfoo...ahem...Liverpool did for the Spaniard.

When Milan were looking for a young, promising striker, both Torres and Gila were in the frame, as were some others...and we went with the young Italian, who had several good seasons at Parma, and of course, was already aclimatised to the Serie A...

And, despite rumors to the contrary, he did deliver in his first season.

I do tire of defending him though, and soon wont bother, as he will either:
a) Shut up his detractors with stellar performances
b) Keep them talking with his constant "disappearances" and missing sitters...

Either way...wisha / coulda / woulda...we didnt, we have Gila, lets support him until he becomes unsupportable...and he has a ways to go before that label can stick.

In closing...Gila is a target man...Milan likes these types of forwards, but he tends not to be mobile enough, (or it could be that he is following Carlo´s instructions positionally?)...and as a target man, he is supposed to be in the box, or close thereto, and unless he is playing against nobody from nowhere...he will be close marked...so, for me, I think its more a slow adaptation to the role he is asked to play as a single striker, than his inability.

Time though, will tell.

We have gone 2 matches into the season, and the anti-Gila camp is in full swing..yet he did well with his limited opportunities (ok the miscontrolled pass from Ambro he should have done better with) but Pippo misses a sitter, and I mean a sitter, and no mention is made of that...talk about fairness!! :rollani: